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protect yourself against cyber security. a.m., morton kondracke on the role of the political sender -- center in today's political climate. ♪ good morning, it is wednesday, july 5. goes toesident trump poland to meet with eastern european leaders before attending the group of 20 summit on friday. that should be a closely watched face-to-face meeting between vladimir putin and donald trump. ahead of the gathering, the international community has been confronted with the launch of a new intercontinental missile by the north korean regime. for the first time it could reach parts of the night states and has raised the stakes in the region as american leaders weigh a response. we're asking viewers how to you
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think the u.s. should do with north korea. if you think containment is the right response. the phone number this morning 202-748-8000. if you support military action, 202-748-8001. if you support new negotiations, 202-748-8002. if you have another option, give us a call. you can also catch up with us on social media, on twitter, on facebook. very good wednesday morning to you. here is the headline across the front page of the wall street journal. north korea missile tensions rise. north korea's successful launch of its first ballistic missile capable of reaching u.s. escalated a faceup and threatened to shift the decades old balance. the south korean militaries
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conducting exercise on wednesday morning. north korea's" unlawful actions." the trump administration estimated global action after concluded that have launched an intercontinental missile. rex tillerson said, global action is -- a global threat. or fails to fully implemented resolutions is aiding and abetting a dangerous regime and all nations it should probably demonstrate to north korea that there are consequences to their pursuit of nuclear weapons. plan tend to bring their provocative actions before the security council, and an act stronger measures to hold them accountable. as we along with others have made clear when one of her except in nuclear armed north korea. arepresident and his team
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assessing the situation in" nation with allies and partners. this morning our program we want to hear about how you think the u.s. should deal with north korea. options include containment, military action, negotiations or another option. we have phone lines for each one of those options. the new york times in their story today goes through with those options would mean. there is a classic containment that they note, limiting their ability to expand influence as they rested against the soviet union. that is a way with live in the problem. the president could take another threat -- step. on to noteoing negotiations is a third option. it was to with a freeze on their nuclear tests and return to the american agreement to suspend military exercises with south korea. negotiated with the north is hardly a new idea, bill clinton tried it and push push -- bush,
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both discovered over time that the deals fell apart. the president tweeting about north korea late on monday night, this was after the launch of what was confirmed by the pentagon before north korea had claimed that it was intercontinental, two tweets, "norht korea has launched another missile. does this guy have anything better to do with his life? hard to believe south korea and japan will put up with this. perhaps china will put a heavy move on korea and into this once and for all." we want to hear your thoughts on containment. 202-748-8000 is the number for you. if you think military option, if you support a military option in north korea, call 202-748-8001. new negotiations, 202-748-8002.
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other options, we would love to hear from you 202-748-8003. the new york times editorial board today talking about negotiations as a possibility, stating that contacts between both countries should continue to seek the release of the rather americans and build a foundation for future negotiations over the north nuclear and missile programs. for mr. trump and other political leaders negotiated with north korea is an enigma, it has one of the worst human rights records, but sanctions have not ended the nuclear threat and military action against the north would put millions of south koreans and 38,000 american troops at risk. there was a deal that froze them for nearly a decade. no indication that mr. trump has a better strategy. that is what the editorial board of the new york times writes. we want to hear about your thoughts. you can also send us a tweet.
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you can also send us a twitter video. and it less than a minute, include your name, where you're from and your thoughts on how the u.s. should deal with north korea. do that and we might see you and hear from you this morning on the washington journal. nikki haley with some tweets last night about this. she has been working on this issue all day yesterday and her first saying she was spinning her day in meetings all day. tweeting it up with a saying that the u.s., north japan-- south korea and will have an emergency meeting launch, that icbm is set for today. we want to hear about your thoughts. paul in dallas, texas for those with other options. good morning. caller: how are you doing? they convert -- thank you for
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taking my call. before we do anything we need to find out what we're talking about. we need to get japan and other allies to go down there in the sea of japan into a kind of missile was fired. maybe it was not an intercontinental missile. how do we know it was? we need to go down there and look at it or bring it up. how do we know they did? newspapers seven today going to the news -- the north korean missile arsenal. here is what the new york times has with their graphic about it. there is the missile tested from yesterday, in comparison to the other types of missiles. the chart above also showing the range of the various missiles. the reason this one is of such concern is the range of the missile, somewhere between 6500-8500 kilometers, meaning it could reach alaska, also really
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a, -- australia, and parts of canada. several other newspapers talking about this, the concern that this is an intercontinental missile, a new went unveiled by the north koreans. there are going for more research. john is in kent, washington. good morning. is thatyeah, my opinion a strong defense would be a heck of a lot better than any other option that we have. boyssince bill and the gave the chip away last time to china, so they could launch boeings was ins, on it. anyway, since that time we have been vulnerable to attacks, especially in seattle. coast-to-coast
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am has been trying to get people interested about those bills going to congress and about protecting our power grid. and for some reason they do not want to seem to want to do anything about it. -- neewt and a guy fortune -- fo rsten? caller: no. cooper. he was, both of those guys were on c-span back in may talking about the power grid and emp's. and the guys that are in charge of the power grid, they have no solution about what to do. cooper, cooper is coming up with a deal to try to encourage people on the east coast to take care of the power
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grid. newt was saying about the nuclear plants. just like fukushima when the power went out over there, then everything started melting down and we have 90 of those power plants that are active in the u.s. plus we have another 20 or so that are in active, but vulnerable. and after three years after fukushima, feinstein, i think she was in charge of the same committee that will kautsky is in charge of now, they had a lady in charge of the atomic energy commission, plus the rest of the commission on -- with feinstein, anyway the little short chick, the san francisco senator, anyway within three years they had not done anything to go ahead and try to fix the problems that were brought up by fukushima. host: the it or cannot to know
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missile -- do you think this missile launch will spur action on that front? caller: i did not get that. host: do think the launch will get washington to look into that again and take action? caller: perry was on your channel a week or so ago, and he was talking about making a trip over to fukushima. he knows what the problem is, unless the japanese totally put him under a cone of silence. they have done that for the last year or so. host: thanks for bringing it up. freddie in indianapolis, indiana for those that think payment is the right option. caller: can you hear me? host: yes. caller: i fail to understand the question this morning. you listen to donald trump during the campaigns, he had all the answers to how he would hand in north korea. all the criticism he brought on parresident obama about what he
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was or was not doing regarding north korea. wagis he back now with his of his tail making such stupid comments about tragic at the world to handle or do something about korea. looking at china to try to get china to assist. i mean, i feel to understand the question. -- fail to understand the question. host: freddie on the line for those that support military action -- that was freddie. now for those that support military action. caller: good morning. gotteny result we have from being in south korea is now an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of regional ask a. -- of reaching alaska.
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they will continue to pursue military affect. one of the only recognized states on the world whose purpose of existence is the antithesis of the united states. it hates us, which is fine. not everybody have to look america. i do and i hope most people living here do. but they just -- they do not see a way for for themselves without a nuclear weapon capable of striking us as a deterrent. the dangerous part is we have seen their willingness to backstab us and work around back channels against us. we need to go in there and prevent that from happening. host: so you are talking preemptive strikes on their nuclear facilities and missile facilities? caller: nuclear facilities. we went in, i think it was with the french, we helped them establish nuclear facilities for
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10 years. we stopped the march forward of a nuclear rise north korea. in reality all is what we did is provide materials and resources and economic packing to continue to pursue a nuclear program, because at the end of the 10 years the state seized all of those assets that we brought in and put into their missile program. host: negotiations have failed and you do not trust they will go anywhere in the future? caller: i do not see why they would. for 50 years we've continued to negotiate, attempt to negotiate, and they will negotiate with us when they see the benefit. goe the benefit starts to the other way, where it is either i cool -- equal, where they start to lose ground in the nuclear program, they will back out of the deal. why should we ever expect that to change? host: we have a caller in alexandria, virginia on the line for further negotiations. good morning.
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caller: good morning. host: why do you think negotiations would work? caller: actually, generally speaking, to behave in an twoessive way, we can enter wars and paid the consequences. the other ways to negotiate and let the policies and others like japan take up the issue. the other thing is if they claim, the north koreans, that they are doing this for the sake of self-defense and it is to prevent preemptive wars, what can we say? you see countries like the israelis, they of nuclear weapons and nobody objects to them in the middle east. they say they are under attack
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in propaganda from the u.s., so we are somehow trying to have some sort of defense, nuclear or otherwise. with the powers in the area like china, japan, other countries in the region, it should help to alleviate the crisis and let the koreans face the problem. most of the country is in a bad economic situation. host: a few articles on the issue of preemptive strikes or military action in the region, the financial times taking a look at what tokyo is considering, where they could consider for preemptive strikes, and their abilities, their missile defense abilities in the waters of japan and north korea. usa today in their story noting that seoul, the capital of south korea, only 35 miles from the
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dmz, marking the border between north korea and south korea and it could pay if conflict escalates. story, leavingr twitter 5 million south koreans vulnerable, along with a 28,000 u.s. troops that are stationed there. the deputyuoting director general of the row united states institute for defense and security studies in london, saying you get into a situation where the u.s. has started a war with a large scale south korean casualties. even if you could assure that you take up a nuclear and missile capabilities, north korea has significant conventional retaliatory capabilities and it could turn parts of seoul into a aleppo. that is the fear. we want to hear your thoughts this morning on whether you support containment of north korea, if you support military action, or if you support for the negotiations. optionyou have another
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please call 202-748-8003. renee on the line from florida. good morning. caller: good morning. it is wonderful to get through on c-span and you are a great service to our public. which isother option, kind of down the road a little of course itink, is up to the president to make this happen and a have a lot of trust in the organization we have the right now in the executive branch. i think what might bring this really to a head, this has been going on for 50 some odd years, the president, leader and the grandfather in north korea, we lost 34,000 troops there, they locked about 200,000 troops between the chinese and north koreans and the grandfather kept going and now the son is going, so they are serious about what
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they are doing. but i think the one thing i have not seen is they have an arm assist, not in arm assist but a peace treaty. the war has never ended. i think as far as the world is concerned, this is a concern for north korea to have this nuclear capability with the muscles that can now reach -- missiles that can now reach the united states and the think it will be imminent as they will have the could ability to get here. they have the chinese concerned, the russians concerned, the whole world is concerned. now could be the opportunity for the world to get together and work up a peace treaty. part of that peace treaty is for everybody to reduce their arms, to get, to come back to a peaceful situation where the u.s. can pull out of that area, where we are not belligerent. because that is one of the promises we have had in the u.s., we are hostile in the way
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that we do with a lot of foreign issues. in the past it has caused a lot of problems. host: how do you guarantee that the north koreans will stick to the agreement of whatever peace treaty is developed? caller: because, ok, because we have basically a peace treaty with the russians, and we have a peace treaty with china, and all the other major nuclear powers in the world. we have agreed pretty much not to use nuclear bombs against each other. so i think the thing that is missing in north korea is a peace treaty. somehow that country needs to come together. you know, north korea does not want to give up the idea that they want to have one korea. that has never stopped. i think somehow they can become a one country if they have a peace treaty, then they can work things out together in a
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peaceful manner between the north koreans and south koreans. if the u.s. backs off, i am not saying we leave completely because we do have a treaty, but we have a nuclear could ability to wipe out north korea anytime that we want, if we are threatened by north korea, the same way if we were threatened by russia, we have the capability of destroying each other. host: i see your point. speaking of russia and china, the associate appraiser reporting that russia and china yesterday proposed a plan for defusing tensions over north moratoriumesting a on nuclear missile tests, while the u.s. and south korea refrain from large-scale exercises. some of those exercises took place after the launch yesterday. the russians and chinese said they are confronting the parties, to sit down to talk about the refusal to use force and a pledge to make the peninsula free from nuclear
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weapons. the document emphasized the north's concerns that must be respected and urged other nations to create a peaceful atmosphere of mutual trust to help launch the talks. richard is on the line for those that support new negotiations. from massachusetts, richard, what about the plan for negotiations laid out by the chinese and russians? caller: i think it should be negotiations. the first, the problem with this country that we live in now, we cut down all these leaders. we call them names. hello? host: go ahead. we call them names? caller: bush called the father a midget. and you know, we cannot -- you know, you have to sit down and negotiate with them in a neutral country. and talk things over. are thet, you know, we
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only country to ever use those nuclear atomic weapons and it was on japan and we bombed two cities that were not even military installation -- insulated. that is what i am saying. you have to talk. you can fight all you want, drop all the bombs you want, but it will not solve anything unless you talk. that is all i said. there is so much fighting going on within our country, and the monks ourselves. -- amongst ourselves. we just need to sit down and talk. host: i see your point. the rhombic reports rights that they should do down missiles by targettarget process -- practice on every missile that is launched. he continues to giving our states the finger. another view are saying if it was not for china there would be no hope for north korea.
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pressure on china to contain them is all we can do realistically. we want to hear your thoughts on this. in pennsylvania, the line for military action. good morning. you have to turned on your tv. caller: ok. uh, oh. ok, hold on. the world right now does not need any wars at all. through history. go back as many years as you can. the fact we have embraced intercontinental ballistic missiles, our fingers are on the triggers and everybody is armed and ready to go. war,h now, start the next and see what happens. just start it now because everybody's ready to go. no doubt about it.
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thank you. goodbye. host: stephen is wishing for negotiations in virginia. what do you think? caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i would like to say that this is not a power struggle between north korea and the united states. this is a world problem. and we need to negotiate with all the major countries of the world and try to handle this in a peaceful situation. because this could start world war iii. and we have veterans now around the world that we cannot take care of. the repercussions of war is dangerous. when are we going to learn that that is not good? we must sit down and negotiate to the fullest, because we have who, he isn h
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trigger-happy and he wants to start a world war. and we have donald trump who has proven he is not a leader. because he is arrogant. he does not mind starting a war war. so we have to have all nations come about and negotiate to the last drop. and military actions, we must learn that repercussions of war are dangerous. lifetime,ill be for a and just think of all of the innocent people, the infants, on down to the grandparents and great grandparents that will lose their lives. so we need to negotiate with the world. "go ahead ands, blowup north korea and we have
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an outer afghanistan or iraq and we have to rebuild. do not want to do that." the president tweeting his e trade between china and north korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. so much for china working with us, but we had to give it a try." thatll keep monitoring twitter feed this morning and see if he continues to talk about this topic. a reminder about what the trump administration has done in recent weeks when it comes to the relationship between china and. north korea. --itical reporting on it appliance nations on a chinese bank, a chinese company and individuals in an effort to ratchet up pressure on a crackdown on north korea's weapons program. the pressure so far has only increased tensions, but it does not appear to show movement in china's actions.
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the new york times reporting on monday that in a phone call donald trump told the leader of china that they are prepared to take on north korea alone. on tuesday republican moniker said it was not enough. i commend the trumpet menstruation for sanctions last week against entities, including attorneys financial institution, but they should only be the first step. cory gardner of colorado in a statement yesterday, if china fails to act, as it has to date, its relationship with the u.s. cannot remain the same. we need to use every diplomatic and economic tool that we have not prevent nuclear war. have to prevent nuclear war. action,upport military or new negotiations,, or other options, please call. linda from williamsburg, virginia, why do you support military action? caller: good morning.
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with northotiations korea through china is like having charlie manson take care of your newborn baby and teenagers in your life. it is ludicrous. when we saw what happened to warmbierm bear -- ott and a sauna malicious the leader of north korea is, we have to know this man is not rational and he has said he will destroy the white house. so i think we need a very analytical approach. i think we have to do it on our own. it is a joke to think that china has any desire to go in and stop this. we do not have to use nuclear armaments. what we can do is have a surgical strike with the mother of all bombs. haveo it so quickly and
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our soldiers, who are on the border, either move out into it is overat when they can go in and pick up the pieces. we do not have to use the nuclear option. we have other instruments of war that we can use. and stand by and wait -- that seems very, not a safe thing to do. host: what do you think that would mean for the south korean allies? you are saying u.s. troops should leave the dmz? meanr: only for and - i only for an amount of time so they can get themselves ready to go back into north korea. sort ofth korea is disarmed, what we do with our point, becauset
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they won't have a chance to strike back because it will be quick, surgical. host: that is my thoughts. ok. looking at other options. good morning. go ahead. caller: yeah, i think all concerned countries should love the heavy -- levy heavy fines on them because of all the toxics that they are putting into the oceans with every launch that they make. and there are many different options rather than going military. military is not really an option. he is a crazy little man. host: how do you get them to fit -- to pay fines? caller: that will have to be worked out. what we have done so far, we have not been able to accomplish anything. i mean, he wants a response.
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that is what he is waiting on, that is why they keep wanting. he is waiting -- launching. he is waiting for us to do something. host: go ahead. pennsylvania on the line for containment. explain your strategy. caller: i do not know. just a thought. we did it with cuba, completely encircle them and prevent any of the goods that this guy probably enjoys in his personal life, shut the country down. nothing going in. host: the editorial board of the wall street journal today picking up this topic. saying the trump administration now has hard decisions to make as accomplice plates -- contemplates options. they cannot be relied on to disarm north korea. they say the best option is a conference of strategy to change the kim regime.
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and robert joseph has argued that washington must strengthen and build out missile defenses and revive the proliferation dragnet. get countries in the region to consider shutting down test muscles and it spread news about the regime's crimes to people in the north. take of the china and north korea relationship. the u.s. will have to recommend that beijing is part of the problem, trade with china grew by about 34.7% -- 37.4% in the first quarter, good tripping to an economic miniboom. you saw the president and his tweets referring to that. wall street journal saying a tougher strategy, with or without china help, will help to eliminate a threat that would put millions of american lives at risk. and we have a caller on the line from georgia. go ahead. caller: thank you. i see the numbers to call in and
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i think that all of the options, not other options, should be done. i think nikki haley needs to address the u.n. in an emergency session and it said that we will protect ourselves. whenretty much not signal malik the last administration would have. but the negotiation needs to come to the u.n. something needs to be not now or we will protect ourselves. with preeminent strikes. we do not want another catastrophe on our mainland, or in alaska or hawaii. so the way to go about it is forceful. this man is not going to negotiate, or hold up his end of the bargain about negotiations. he is not going to do it. so, tell the u.n. what is going to happen if they do not act. knowet china, south korea
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what is happening and. and it has to be done quickly. host: keith from florida are going military action, what form would that take? caller: what they need to do is stop negotiations, i'm all of the allies in the area with nukes, give them to the japanese, give them to the taiwanese, give them to the south koreans. and then go in and annihilate his artillery first, and then annihilate him. all you have to do and it is over. host: bill, good morning. from pennsylvania. caller: how are you? my uncle used to be a general increase. -- in greece. there is no situation with negotiations, because this guy is a yo-yo, he is a little boy,
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he is killing his own people. the negotiations cannot be done with normal people, so you cannot do it right now. iwould say that my belief, what nobodyd do knows what i'm going to do. blow him up into pieces. thank you. host: you are from military action? caller: yes. joke,ations today are a like they have not been nothing. i believe, when i was in arizona they used to say it was a waste of time. seveneople down there, days, blow the whole thing up. that is what it is. they want to play games, blow
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them up. host: stan on the line for containment. explain your containment strategy. caller: yes, thank you. thinkeve we have to -- i we go in there and we do imminent strikes. and what happens to the country after we go in? china does not want us building anymore bases in that region. with chinain, everything will be said and done. china and russia are worried about more of us. topic.weets on this thomas says we need to remind china that president kim can turn on them anytime with a nuclear weapon. allow refugees to cross the border. ueother viewer said, "contin doing what president trump was doing." the front page of the washington
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times includes this photo, the that made from the video was said to be the north korean leader watching the launch of the intercontinental ballistic missile. the picture, other pictures you have seen throughout the program, more information on a missile that was launched. a u.s. official said american intelligence has determined with a high degree of confidence that they launched a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile overnight. the trajectory matches information provided by south korea. it was launched in a high altitude trajectory of 1730 miles and it flew horizontally into the sea of japan. it emerged from the north of north korea, from the northwest corner of the country, an area used for launches in the past.
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that is the abc news story on it. we are getting your thoughts. minds split up differently this morning. if you support containment, 202-748-8000. military action, 202-748-8001. -- for newend negotiations, 202-748-8002. if you have another option, 202-748-8003 is the number to call. bill from north dakota, good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i think the best strategy for the u.s. would be acceptance. look, you really think they pose a threat to the united states? i do not think so. i think the only reason the u.s. has been talking about this is because they are jealous, kim jong-un is a really good leader,
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99% approval rating. host: do you think that is a real approval rating? caller: i do. i was watching fox news this morning and it is ridiculous. host: ok. floyd in virginia on the line for military action. good morning. caller: yeah, thank you for taking my call. i think we should be ready to use the military. they are there to protect us and i think they would do it -- do a good job. people want to know what is going to happen, they need to open the bible, ezekiel chapter 38 and 39. and it tells you what is fixing to take place. take a have to do is look and did they know what is fixing to happen. we have a good president and he is doing a good job. korea, hillary sold uranium to russia and they will
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try to use it against us now. and god is going to put a stop to it. -- can stop anything. host: julius online for new negotiations. good morning. caller: i have been listening to all of these people calling in talking about going to war with korea. that is ludicrous. first thing, to go to war with korea we have to consider the lives in korea. we have more nuclear bombs than anybody else in the world. we have interceptors in the sky that can intercept anything that korea -- and they only have a few of them, they only have a few nuclear weapons. war is a moneymaking scheme. it is ridiculous to talk about going -- and this man just
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acts crazy. he knows he will not attack america because he will be annihilated. so we are talking about going to war. except those kids will have to pay the price of a war that can be prevented. it is completely out of reach. i mean, we are the most powerful country in the world. korea is not even in our ballpark. host: how do you prevent this? do you feel like it is escalating right now? how do you de-escalate? caller: it can't escalate to the point of going to war. the man is not crazy, he knows good and well if he sends missiles in our direction he will be annihilated. he knows that. we are saying korea is doing this in doing that, they do not understand the meaning of war. it is a moneymaker for
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and we could go ahead and annihilate korea because he is making an atomic bomb, that is ridiculous. host: a caller from pennsylvania. go ahead. caller: the reality is china wants a confrontation. they will convey that they want containment, but the reality is much different. look at the fuel issue. the missiles require a very specialized fuel system in order for the action of the north korea to take place. i would argue that not only does china provide the fuel, but when this technology is moving a little too rapidly, the fundamental question is, is china enabling them? which i think they are. i think we need a combined
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approach, immediately shut down trade, incremental trade issues with china because there is 70% of all the trade going one route from china into north korea. they could end it tomorrow, but they have no intention on doing that. host: what do you think about how president trump has talked with china about this and his efforts to get them involved, what you make of that? caller: you have to look at how the chinese regard this president. they regard him as a buffoon. it is reflected immediately when the president went to mar-a-lago, the chinese responded that this is a, this is a paper tiger. i am calling china a paper dragon because they have no intention of making any structural changes with regard to north korea of any substance. look at the recommendations of
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and they wantia, us to cease military, our military maneuvers with the south koreans. let's be clear, there has been absolutely no valid response from the north koreans when it comes to making any action. the north koreans will make promises, but they're not going to for help them -- fulfill them. we need to make it very clear very fast. we are 50 years, we are in advance of any nation on the planet and the chinese better be made aware of the fact that the patients of the united states is at an end. host: patrick in pennsylvania referencing the proposal for new negotiations put together by the chinese and the russians. speaking of the russians, as we said earlier, president trump and vladimir putin will be meeting face-to-face for the
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first time this week before the group of 20 meets on friday. president trump will be meeting warsaw to his ally in give what the white house bills as a major policy speech to the polish people about the future of america's relationship with europe. and will meet with leaders of those eastern european countries as part of an effort known as the energy driven economic partnership. a preview of the days ahead on foreign policy for the president. the washington post takes up the upcoming 220 summit as well in this article focusing on angela merkel, the german chancellor of course running for her fourth term in september, calling her "the fixer." she will be defending economic and political integration as europe confronts donald trump. you can read that in the washington post.
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we are talking about the north korea missile launch. we want to get your thoughts, what you think the right policy reaction is for the united states, is a containment, military action, negotiations or something else? we have lines for each one of those. st. louis, missouri come away of there on the line -- we have daryl on the line. caller: i think we have slaughtered enough people. what did iraq do? nothing. kim jong-un has not slaughtered anybody. we have been bombing people for i do not know how long and we need to leave the man alone. we launched missiles all the time. did we think we are? all these bozos on the phone talking about how we need to bomb the country. that is all we do. haven't we slaughtered enough people? we are the number one terrorist on the planet.
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i do not see any missiles or fighter jets from north korea bombing any cities in america? just like libyans and iraqis. they have not done anything to us. people are tired of us bullying people all over the world. do what we say or we are going to bomb you. americans need to wake up and count the people we have slaughtered since 2000. based on the other line. -- lie. host: dan on the line for containment. good morning. caller: yeah. the next time roa there he over should not come back. i do not understand how this dinosaur, this remnant of a isiet power, somehow ruffling feathers over here. i do not understand why people
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do not take it seriously. japan and south korea do, those are vested allies. fleetsove a bunch of our over to the south china sea. so -- with syria, i do not know. anme, this is more of immediate threat as opposed to just a bad neighborhood. i do not know, it seems to me like it is more with each of these lines that were drawn post forward to and they have been a war forever. different.s it seems to be more of an immediate threat. and i know that dennis rodman is a cartoon and everything, but how is he going over there and
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coming back? i do not get it how he freely travels. host: i got your point. matthew is on the line for containment. what is your containment strategy? caller: well, there is not one strategy that would enable us to deal with the issue. military action gives kim jong-un the ability to retaliate and look strong. if you try to bully him or show force he will try to use it and turn it around on us and use anything he can to provoke. they have been waiting. his grandfather was waiting for somebody to react, his father was waiting for somebody to react so he could look strong. so military action, it is just going to provoke something that we cannot get back from. negotiations more than likely will not be followed. initially justw
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because we do not have the trust with them and he does not seem to be what i would consider a man of honor, honoring his word. he will do what he wants to do and he is a dictator so he runs his own schedule and is not answer to anybody else. there is no magic pill that will fix the problem. we need to have all of our partners in the region, whether it is south korea, japan, china or russia, whoever it might be. we need to negotiate with them and contain them. the caller earlier had a good idea. mightwere able to, it seem like we were using military to provoke him if we put fleet in the area to intercept missiles, they might take it as provocation and use it as justification for an attack, a major attack on whether it is an asian city or on the u.s. mainland. we do not know if they can even do it at this point. but if we are able to do
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something similar to what we did with the russians and kind of way to the mouth and impose -- wait them out and impose sanctions. banks.ction the chinese we need to make sure that we have negotiations, very strongly show and very heavily in force the things put in place to make sure that this man is not able to continue to build his armaments and eventually, as they do more tests, they will figure out how to launch at the continental united states. whether that is the end goal, or just a seem stronger. if you want the path his chest and look big and bad, as long as he is not doing something to cause nuclear war or to cause a nuclear holocaust or something of that nature, then obviously that can be dealt with in some shape or form. host: you bring of military assets in the region.
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as we said earlier, the north korean and a south korean militaries -- the south korean and u.s. conducting military exercises in response to the north korean missile testing. some images from that. the u.s. forces in those exercises, firing service missiles into the water to counter what they describe is an unlawful action from north korea. some of the action -- images taken from that shown to you now. ken in washington dc on the line for new negotiations. good morning. caller: good morning. i hope all is well. i am against war. i am the sure anybody would call in on any of the lines thinking that war is a healthy alternative to peace. it is a colonialist it mentality. when you bomb somebody or attack
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someone, now you are acquiring some political power or you will exploit them in some fashion, those people. anybody that thinks north koreans will be welcoming of us bombing their people would be pretty sick. anybody that calls and wants war. you have war in the united states, we have war against poverty and gun violence, against homelessness, a war against the sick, there are a lot of wars you can take up. there is no in game. -- endgame. if you want to slowly strangle the country with economic sanctions, so be it. but to think that dropping bombs, you know, you have a number of countries in the world of nuclear can abilities. russia happens to be one of them. they do not seem like a friendly ally. it is not so much that kim jong-un has his finger on the
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trigger, but we have a president that has already shown the number of times in his tweets, his untrustworthiness with the media, or the fact he is dishonest and he actually lost the general election, he has his finger on the trigger. we are talking about a dangerous situation. attack, iy wants to am sure the history books show that by now. , stephen saysets north korea is almost 100% funded by china. u.s. stocks trade with china, problem solved. where doiewer saying, they get off telling others how to defend themselves? a few more minutes to talk about this topic. allie on the line for military action. what form would that take? caller: hi. um, i want to talk about first
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the human resolution and how ineffective they have been. the u.n. passes resolutions constantly. the most recent in november 2016 and march 2017, both included a cause that exempted materials that relate to liveliness, which china has used undermine them again and again. as far as negotiation with china, they have no incentive to stop working with north korea. they are a buffer state. the u.s. has a lot of influence in north korea and china does not want that to continue. stoppedey completely negotiations, they would lose their bargaining chip. host: how do you read the president's tweet from a half hour ago. trade between north korea and china grew about 40%. so much for working with us, but we had to give it a try. caller: i have not seen the 40%
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number, but i know that china has not stopped trading with north koreans. nor have they cracked down on and forced labor. labor.nforced as far as getting into military action, i understand the frustration the past colors have had regarding this -- callers have had regarding this. this is not the same situation we have gone into in the past. this is not imperialistic. it is, it is the defense of ourselves. and we have drawn lines in the sand in the past, all it does is undermine our department of state and prevent us from making negotiations in the future. um, our allies in the region are keepus and we can't
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backing down. koreansately, the north have been on a linear path toward creating a nuclear weapon that can reach the united states and we do not know what will happen once they do. militarization. i really do understand, but there is a point where even, even if you just starve them economically and you take away that power, and they implode, what happens when they reach that point of desperation? will they act out? we do not know. a preemptive strike is a way to control the situation and have some knowledge of will happen and how it will happen, and to protect people and south korea. get those people evacuated, moving them around so that when it inevitably they do respond, north korea does respond, you can minimize the damage.
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it is a way to have control. host: that was our last call in the first segment of washington journal. up next, talking about the future of u.s. energy policy now four months into rex tillerson's tenure. an will be joined by bri scheid. and we will also be joined by adam levan to discuss -- levin to discuss what the average computer owner can do to protect themselves. we will be right back. ♪ "q&a." y, on >> i'm not asking anyone to
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