.- equifax host: good morning. the house and senate will meet in a brief sessions ahead of the columbus day weekend. we have a three-hour program or you. we begin with the news that the national nation has joined the on pump restrictions stock devices it was seen as an opening looking to take action of the wake of the las vegas attack even as other done rights groups rejected the idea. lines open.e

republicans can call at (202) 784-8001. democrats can call (202) 748-8000. independence call (202) 748-8002 . a very good friday morning to you the headline in the wall street journal, prospects for a gun measure deal grow. there is the release of the name and iv national rifle assist the asian. this is what it says.

we know the shooter in the las vegas attack had firearms, 12 with stocks. saysublican from florida dozens of republicans have contacted his office about cosponsoring bipartisan legislation to ban the manufacture or sale of bump stocks. dianne feinstein has introduced similar legislation in the senate. we want to talk about it this morning with you, our viewers again, the phone line,

republicans (202) 784-8001. democrats (202) 748-8000. independence (202) 748-8002. that statement is getting reaction around capitol hill. this is sarah sanders being asked about the nra statement to. >> does that change the administration's point of view. the president has been a exhibit of the nra and the nra his in a big supporter of the president. >> we welcome that any conversation on that. that has not changed. we want to be part of the conversation on that forward. host: the editorial boards of the washington post in the new york times take up this issue. patient, it iske

the bare minimum. the refusal to take any type of and control, any step in the right direction is a good thing. to the editorial pages of the new york times, they are calling the move when it comes to bump stocks, progress on guns. that is the headline they use on their lead editorial. we are interested in your dots this morning. -- thought this morning. good morning. caller: good morning. i think it doesn't know are enough. these bump stocks should be

outlawed to even be in your one, youn, if you have should be prosecuted for the same law that would be tied to an automatic machine done. that's my opinion on that. be taken back to the store they got it and get their money back. is there anything you would do beyond that? caller: i don't have a problem , any type of shot device that allows you to turn your assault weapon into a machine gun. you should be charged as if you had an illegal machine gun in your possession without a federal license. host: hagerstown, maryland.

go ahead. caller: good morning. a couple of comments. i have no objection to this regulation. it is already illegal or someone to own a machine gun. i think it was asked in the obama ministration. democraton to your callers, we hear the same mantra. passed would have stopped this. what law would have stopped shooter in orlando? what law would've stopped shooter in new tim. you cannot stop human beings. it is part of our dna. , thelassic example

holocaust is the most horrible wing. it did not happen in the third world country. nothing is going to stop people. what is the answer? i will tell you one ring, if you look at chicago and baltimore, they have the strictest gun laws and they are not in force. if you commit a crime with a firearm, the prosecutors don't go or. the jail has a revolving door. strict gun laws and. host: how do you know the process readers don't go or it? caller: the research i have seen online. if we just enforce the current

, we would put people in prison. host: go ahead. caller: i it's progress. i don't tickets going to be effect. the most effective approach ownership,evels of almost like security and. so americans who are responsible can own these weapons and have proven they are trustworthy and reliable. knucklehead who isn't trained or knows how to handle a powerful weapon, just as a piece of paper says i should be able to do that, that's not a good approach. i think that's the most effect of route.

loss for words now. host: we appreciate the call. some reaction from republican members of congress. >> a republican rum laura tweeted out this -- from florida tweeted this out. kentucky saidrom this. among those who are opposing any new bands are the gun owners of america put they put out their own a statement. atf were approved by the

during the obama frustration to help gunowners with disabilities. it would be a board by criminals and serve to disarm honest citizens. that is the gunowners of america, another gun rights group. the nra statement is getting a lot of attention. we want to hear from you. this is a call for additional regulations. we don't know what that means yet. the nra is calling or possible new regulations. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my

call. good morning to you. , i think any regulation is just foolhardy. you can't regulate insanity. two thirds of the gun death according to a woman that wrote , two thirdsesterday of the casualties from gun are from suicide. legislate's kinds of wings away. you cannot legislate crazy people who want to kill a lot of people. away, there is always a way around these. i think it's unfortunate what happened during why don't you

just legislate everybody goes to church on sunday western mark. that would really help i think the tied.me of why don't you take away from cars? i don't think guns are as much of a problem as our society's the problem. host: david is on the line or republicans. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with the gentleman from pennsylvania. the problem goes back to criminals. that's the problem. laws on theough books. that ain't going to help nothing you. host: what the better way of

going after it? caller: i am not a police officer. in good and evil. this man was evil to do something like this. host: reaction from democrats on capitol hill. says thelumenthal review is a dissent of dodge. -- dissent to dodge. . more than 160 members of the u.s. house are standing by my legislation. there is chuck schumer from new york.

we want to hear from you this morning. you think goes far enough western mark you think it goes too far? and pennsylvania. of dan i am not sure if would be effective. print them and produce them on their own. host: what would be effective western mark -- effective? caller: i don't know. thatot exactly sure how legislation would take shape. host: north carolina. i hire the span for what

they can present. stocks can be imported by people that have the money. exotic weapons are just an advance. automatic weapons should not be out there. there is no control over them are in. that comeher device under scrutiny this week are silencers. if a debate about whether those should be legal, the usa today editorial board talked about it. people will be following

in the streets before they hear a shot. once you are dead, your dad. you have a lot of people who have money enough to buy this weapon. you. a threat to everyone i think it's something that can't be stopped. if for greatere elimination of people in a very crowded place. granted --out of crowded places. those crowds. it might not help gambling

industry or any place where you draw crowds, i don't want my children. stay out of those routes. my daughter travels locally. i warned her to stay away from crowded areas. she is a global traveler. that's why i am concerned. i am concerned about everybody out there. the world is disintegrating. we are talking about silencers on the other part of the recreational enhancement act, which was a legislative proposal which makes it easier to buy silencers and harder to restrict armor piercing bullets.

boarda today editorial right. the opposing view was written by congressman jeff duncan. he is pushing the protection act. he said they are not silencers. they reduce the muzzle blast. most measurements will calculate 165 decibels. back to your calls. go ahead.

caller: it's just a joke that you can't stop this stuff. they banned machine guns. -- crimessee any guns being done with machine guns. the deal is what are they doing out there with military weapons in the first place? if you want to restrict them to shooting ranges, maybe. i think they should restrict anything that in the changed into a machine gun. that way you eliminate the problem. you can copy these bump stocks. they really have to get to the root of the problem, high-powered semi automatic weapon allowed in the first leg area -- place. host: what would you tell people who say you can't legislate

evil. caller: of course you can. they don't allow people to have artillery is. the example i gave was the machine guns. if you can't i those anymore. rifles and their their shotguns, they can go hunting. the idea that you can defend yourself with a pistol from a guy that can shoot you from 1200 feet away is ridiculous and. host: go ahead. caller: i agree with the previous caller. there is no way in the world you should be able to i weapons. style weapons, what is the point? it's nonsense. it's ludicrous. it's ridiculous.

people are saying you can't take them all -- cars off the street grade. that's idiotic. they change the conversation from the weapons to the bump stocks. once those kids got killed in connecticut and nothing happened, nothing is going to happen. we don't need those type of weapons. if you want to be in the army, join the army and fight to the country. host: a few comments from twitter.

we have a few minutes left in the segment. we are talking about the nra called or regulations on bump stocks. go ahead. caller: good morning. ae nra is nothing more than terrorist group. aey have murdered over million people since the 60's. willis a farce that they you canece of plastic buy at an un-got regulated gun show.

these guns have no reason to be on the street at all. there is very little difference between semi automatic and fully automatic. it's a farce. host: go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. suggestion isa valid. i live in pennsylvania. i live very close to a gun range. i hear gunfire all the time. they are legally owned and fired. when people start talking about , this idea that we are living in a hollywood movie and a silencer makes a gun go quiet is absurd.

it doesn't silence anything. it's like a very weak. for the guy in texas and said the nra has killed people. the nra has not killed millions of people. this is a horrible thing. a neighbor that was at the shooting, a person lost his life. it hits close to home. they can eliminate that piece of what met as far as i'm concerned. just make them illegal and confiscate them. host: that is stephen pennsylvania. one other statement on this issue from the conceal and carry association. story. a fox business

he will be joining us at 9:30 a.m. and we will be talking to him about conceal carry permits. it's an issue the nra had in their statement yesterday. statement, past the part we showed you, they said in an increasingly dangerous world, the nra is

focused on strengthening second amendment freedoms. on behalf of our 5 million members, we urge congress to pass right to carry reciprocity act which would allow americans to defend themselves from acts of violence. we will talk or about that on our 9:30 a.m. hour. one other piece of news we wanted to date you on. outrmation has been coming about the scandal surrounding tim murphy from pennsylvania. yesterday we got news that he will be quitting congress early. he had originally he would serve out his term and not run again. he said yesterday he will resign this month after he had said he would not seek reelection.

he is a member of the house pro-life caucus. that story is in the washington post. it's time for a few more calls as we talk about the nra and regulations on bump stocks. good morning. caller: it doesn't matter because we still live in the united states. we cannot be held accountable or the actions of other people. the people who are scared of the ar-15, why don't you have a

problem with other rifles that have a much bigger bullet. it doesn't make sense to me. illnesses, i work at an institute. i work side-by-side with veterans every day. some say the mentally ill and own guns. ptsd is a mental illness. you are saying people who bought for the country shouldn't own guns just because they have a problem from service? that's wrong. that's all i have to day. host: good morning. caller: good morning. i think it's sad that every time at terminal engages in criminal behavior vehemently jump on the bandwagon and want to punish the law-abiding.

this is not right. there are plenty of laws on the book. if you look at the close restrictive like chicago, they are slaughterhouses. armed andetter outnumber law enforcement. it's not right. calling the nra terrorists is ridiculous. have 10 a member of the nra since a teenager. i don't have a criminal record. every place i live gives me an excellent reference to i resent ain't called a terrorist just because i've enjoyed firearms. i have never been involved in any trouble. host: this is our last caller in the segment. thise going to revisit

topic again at 9:30 a.m. the house passed its budget yesterday, taking the first step toward towards tax reform. we will talk about how all that impacts the national debt with maya mcguiness. later, former equifax ceo richard smith appears that chapter before four congressional committees to answer questions about the data breach. -- public interest research group about the response. we will be right back. ♪ announcer: sunday night on

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people hear this more than they would want to, but if you want to use the term reconciliation, that's a process that allows the senate to pass something with 51 votes instead of 60. in order to have reconciliation, you have to pass a budget. months late, the house and the senate are passing various budgets that include reconciliation instructions that are different and the next step is they both pass them and have to reconcile them. meaning they come up with one budget that will lay out how much you are allowed to either save through tax reform or in this case probably added to the debt through tax reform in the reconciliation instructions. should i explained the differences? host: please. guest: right now the house has revenue neutral tax reform that requires $200 billion in savings and on paper, it would get to balance. the senate budget is quite different. it does not reach balance and

it's something republicans have wanted to do for a long time, but the budget has such a big gap in the tax numbers because it allows 1.5 trillion dollars in revenue lost by tax reform, which would mean tax cuts. that means they can't get to the balanced budget and of all the spending in the next 10 years, the republican budget is asking for $1 billion in savings. i pointed that out because it is a pidly amount compared to what republican said they wanted to save it -- to save. host: can they not vote until the reconciliation process happens and when is that going to be? guest: that is right. they are developing frameworks and details of tax reform. we have been seeing that, getting a sense of what the bill would look like. they will not be able to move it forward legislatively and vote until the budget is done. they still have to work out differences between the house and the senate and during that

time, people are working on tax reform and filling in the details and testing it with the public and see what they do and do not like. the ultimate vote won't take place until the budget resolution has been passed. host: a reminder for our viewers . it seems like a long time ago details of the tax plan were released. it was just last week. the key provisions -- it would collapse several income tax rates to 3% -- to 3. increase standard reduction, the child tax credit, repeal the minimum tax and the state tax and reduce the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%. adopt a territorial tax system. that is just the big shirt -- the key items from this tax reform -- the big picture, the key items from this tax reform plan. host: we are certainly

supporting tax reform. is this something we are supporting? we are not sure yet. the details make a difference. we are a nonpartisan organization that cares about fiscal responsibility and the growing economy. tax reform, which i think is something pretty much everybody can agree the country needs. -- very fewiry people that say the tax code is perfect and don't touch it. it is incredibly obligated and stands in the way of a growing economy. the distinctions -- the differences will be when they fill in the details. what we will be looking for -- and i think this is an important point about tax reform, does this make the debt worse? one of the goals of tax reform is to help grow the economy and help bring near record levels of national debt down back to more traditional levels. if this adds to the debt instead of makes the debt better, we

would not be supporting it. host: i want to get into more details, but also invite viewers to join the conversation. republicans it is 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. asependents, 202-748-8002 folks are calling and to follow up on that, a release from last week. you studied the broad outlines of the plan. the tax framework could cost $2.2 trillion with the release that put -- got out after the plan was released. what are the big drivers in this plan? what is the big ticket item? host: the problem has been the leaders --guest: the problem has been the leaders keep dangling the goodies. we are going to double standard adoption, -- the actions, the -- standard deduction -- all things that grow the economy. one of the things we found in outside studies is tax reform

that makes the deficit worse is much worse for economic growth and then tax reform that makes paideficit better or is for. if your goal is to grow the economy, you want to offset the cost. the problem that is understandable because politically nobody is willing to talk about hard things and that is a frustration because it involves paying for things. nobody said how they are going to pay for this. host: a lot of supporters say it will be paid for by larger economic growth. mildly, thet it numbers they are talking about are nonsense. people are putting out gross estimates pulled from the sky and we would all like to have massive amounts of growth. part of the purpose of tax reform is to grow the economy. if you look at the tax reform efforts of the past and what we have seen him how much different tax reforms are likely to grow the economy, the numbers that are being tossed around are multiples of what is realistic.

that is because people are unwilling to say what we would do to offset the cost. tax cuts do not pay for themselves. do groware smart, they the economy. in order to pay for themselves, a tax cut of one dollar would have to generate five dollars to six dollars of economic growth. what i hope we can do is move into the realm of reality and think about what reasonable growth and build that into what we are talking about i. on this program and making the point that the cost would be paid for through larger economic growth. here is what he had to say when we talked about your estimate about the cost of this republican tax plan. [video clip] thene analysis from bipartisan committee for a responsible budget said the initial analysis said the plan would add $2.2 trillion to

deficits over the next decade. >> a couple things. when you talk about cost, it tells you what a politician or a group that called themselves bipartisan -- it means left, talks about the cost. when we have our taxes cut, most americans view that as a pay increase. it's not a cost. based in people washington, d.c. that think all the money should come in here and if they don't get as much money they are expecting, it's a cost. the friends of government -- the tories were called the friends they arement -- today the friends of government and when taxes are produced it's a cost -- no it is not, it's a pay increase for the american people. host: maya mcguiness. macguineas.

guest: first of all he said left -- the thing about fiscal responsibility is it has nothing to do with the size of government. you can be a big government fiscally responsible person or a small government fiscally responsible person. i think it is a principle we should be able to agree on. the problem is oftentimes fiscal responsibility is used as defense. 130 talks about it to keep the other party from an acting the resolution -- enacting the resolution date pursue. resolution may pursue. if you want a smaller government and lower taxes, you don't get that by lowering taxes, you get that by cutting spending and we are very open and supportive of cutting spending. unfortunately it is one thing we haven't heard about much at all.

hegrover really wanted what said he wanted, he would put out a pledge that says no new spending. we continue to have a government that spends more and more because they don't want to pay their bills and they want to pay for fewer things. that means anybody that supports that has to be willing to say to our kids this is why we are passing tens of trillions of dollars of debt to you because we had a lot of things we did and we were not willing to pay for them. we desperately need tax reform. you can offset the cost by point $5id of the one trillion in tax loopholes a year this country has -- by other revenue sources or by cutting spending. if we do it by adding to the debt, that will undermine the very purpose of tax reform. host: the committee for a responsible and federal government. maya cguiness --

machuineas is here for the next couple minutes taking your calls. mayar: my is actually -- is actually a very good person in this matter. i want to thank c-span for the markup. in the budget committee, grover about what heing said about people who live in washington. i thought he lived in washington and is constantly on the television speaking as he did about no new taxes and yet somehow he is there in gc trying to lobby things. i think maya actually represents a long-standing kind of reality conversation, as she stated. as republicans have always spoke about not increasing the debt. we now saw from the budget

markup yesterday, all of the senators on the republican side -- that was lucas strange, that purdue man, lindsey graham, the chair -- all of those are men. they primarily are from southern states who received defense budget expenditures in terms of their economy -- without that kind of defense authorization which they also are increasing in spending. you speak about the fact that spending is, in fact, where we need to create clarity for a real discussion. could you speak to us about how it is -- the first question. if in fact this budget that they are creating -- will that in -- inhe past without reconciliation. host: let's handle that question

first. guest: thank you for watching c-span and the budget markup. it is near and dear to my heart to know that people watch those. you learn a lot about the different members and their positions on fiscal issues when they are going through the process on the budget. i agree with you that i have been really quite surprised how many -- and republicans and democrats have different views of government and i think they are totally legitimate. if the lack of consistency i find hard to understand and i am seeing a lot of folks who have worried about the deficit and that for a long time and they want to fix it through spending and mandatory reforms and now they have the majority and they are passing a budget that doesn't do anything to control spending on the senate side and does make the debt worse because it allows so much lost revenue and tax reform without offsetting the cost. if you want $1.5 trillion in

lost revenue and a smaller fromnment, cut $1.5 spending. that is a possibility. i am disheartened to see how quickly people stopped worrying about the real situation and i hope the senate budget as it is will be something the house has to decide whether it will take it in that format or stick with the format it has, which is revenue neutral tax reform and 200 billion -- $200 billion in cuts. that makes sense and it will be interesting to see how they work out the differences because the one thing is they all want to get tax reform done. i share that goal. as i think i will repeat over and over, the whole -- the hard choice that is difficult to do it right, politicians don't like doing them. how do we broaden the top -- tax code to get rid of those loopholes? to be frank, those are the things that we love. they are our tax breaks.

the one they are discussing on the individual side is a state and local the duction -- deduction. if you live in a high tax state and pay state and local taxes, you are not having to pay federal taxes on the state and local taxes -- they aren't getting the same tax break. it is a subsidy for well off states. homee same token, the interest mortgage deduction, incredibly popular. everyone sitting in their house is starting to get nervous, but we do need not -- do not need to subsidize mortgages. it's against the policy of trying to get home ownership the people into homes for the first time and focus on getting -- making sure those subsidies go to people with million dollar mortgages or vacation homes. we can look at the way we don't tax health care costs the same as wages -- called the health-care exclusion.

something people on the right and left talked about curbing. i would really like us -- see us look at all these tax breaks and consider which we can get rid up and as much as we are willing to get rid of, we can bring the rate down. for democrats, mississippi, curtis is waiting period -- is waiting. wonderfule is a woman, but she needs to be much higher. the way she is explaining this, it doesn't matter if it is democrat or republican. you can't say one thing and expect results in the other. raising taxes is just going to make the economy worse. i really like you, maya, and i hope you keep the great work up. host: thanks -- guest: thank you, that is a nice call.

i think growing the economy is one of the biggest objectives right now. we have some real challenges and the biggest challenge is we are getting older. as a society, we are aging so more and more people are moving into a con -- retirement. is shrinking and more and more people are retiring, that takes a hit on economic growth and it affects all of us. it affects the standard of living and wages. i would argue that what this country needs to do is put in place a comprehensive economic growth plan that is going to have a lot of things that democrats and republicans agree we should do. they will strongly disagree or on how to do it, but at least they should disagree we need to do it. and from the congressional budget office and others that put estimates on this would include tax reform, figuring out how to age more productively.

you can move into retirement more gradually and putting in place a debt deal, spending more money in ways that make sense. right now we are not investing enough in public investments, infrastructure, education -- lifelong education, worker training. there's a lot of things we should be doing that would slowly bump up growth bit by bit. i think there are ways both parties could come up with the best ways to grow the economy and let's hash out the details of how to put them in place and work together. i know that doesn't seem doable right now. work together on an economic growth plan and i would add, importantly, where the gains for growth are shared more equally. we have been seeing the gains for growth have been concentrated at the top and i'm talking about figuring out how to inshore that when we grow the economy, that translates into higher workers -- wages for workers. host: from new jersey, bill,

independent. caller: good morning. two suggestions. the first suggestion would be, we should do away with income taxand have a nice sales and if we did that, you could help the poor people by saying there is no sales tax on used merchandise and the rich people would pay a bigger sale -- portion because they pay more money and the middle class would spend the money they earn. you are doing away with tax on the higher people -- tax on the rich people, more money. just tax them on what they spend and you don't have all these arguments back and forward and loopholes, you don't have any of that. my second comment is with regard to the national debt. we should start a national lottery and payoff the national debt. have one or two or three winners every day and in my mind, it

will come out to about $50 million a day that the federal government would make and the citizens of the country would make. if you gave out $50 million a day to the people of this country, can you imagine how that would grow the economy and how people might start businesses, buy property, by other things that they would pay sales tax on that money. host: bill, thank you for the suggestions. guest: two big ideas. sales tax is a form of consumption task -- tax. i agree with you figuring out ways to tax consumption would be go for the economy. i like something called the progressive consumption tax, a tax on consumption. you don't tax what you save, but it has progressive rates, so the tax would be higher the more you spend, which would mean it would be progressive and distribution could be similar to what we have today. i think the question really all

-- in all of this is how much congress can bite off. they are talking about something very significant with improvements structurally and we will see if they are able to get it done. something even bigger like you or i are talking about with a consumption tax or also a carbon tax which could help with the energy environment and revenue, i think those big changes probably aren't in the cards for the immediate future. i that we will talk more about them in the coming years. no matter where we are with the tax reform bill, it's unlikely it is consistent with a plan that is big enough to address the national debt and it will have to come back to tax reform. on your other idea, i applaud anyone thinking big about how to pay down the debt. i have a similar idea because we are throwing out ideas on the debt. i keep thinking if we had a national goal towards balancing the budget by a certain year or the better one would be getting the debt as a share of the economy down to a certain level, right now it is 77% of gdp.

that is twice what it has been historically. we need to bring it down. what if we started with the goal of getting it to 60% gdp? if win we hit the goal we could take the additional tax revenue that would be bigger surpluses and give it back to people in dividends, kind of an american dividend plan, it's a little i think we need something to get the country to rally around. we had a school, we want to get the -- a goal, we want to get the debt under control. michael in california, independent. go ahead. caller: good morning. street -- the 1% is a very tricky subject because the peopleend of the 1% is like doctors, brain surgeons, whatever, what ever and the

.001% are the rich. are these tax reforms going to .001%?fect the .00% -- thank you, ma'am. guest: great question. those are the details that are not filled in yet. i wish i had the answers for you. there's a lot of talk about increasing a top income tax bracket for the very well off. we don't know where any of these different brackets would phase in. your point is a really good one consolidationalth and the income gains that have gone recently haven't just been to the top 1%, they have been, but they have been more so to the small faction within that top 1%. it is very hard to get tax policy targeted to make a few hundred people pay more in taxes. i think there is a more unified

sense than there has been taxeen the two parties that reform isn't about helping people at the top. i'm sure they have different distributional goals, but i don't think people are looking to create a tax reform where the bears -- where the very richest people -- i think they would probably recognize they don't need tax rates right now -- breaks right now. i might be wrong on that. it is hard to craft something that pulls out 1% versus a fraction of 1%. it's a good question and we just don't have enough details on how the different tax brackets or if there are certain taxes -- how it will be allocated. host: a few minutes left with maya macguineas. deborah has been waiting on the line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to state to the point of unrealistic expectations for growth. i think there is a residual 2008 where 2000 to

individuals were able to get credit very easily and because of that, they were able to spend large amounts of money on consumer debt and consumer products and it was a boom for the building industry. as we all know, we got ourselves into a lot of trouble by making it easy to get too much money without enough responsibility. thank you. .uest: great calls this morning great point. we have seen that in so many ways and the economy that we have kind of been bubble hopping. the one that has driven the economy for a long time has been , whether af bubbles stock market bubble, tech bubble, consumer debt bubble. create want to do is more of a sustained growth situation than hopping from one

bubble to the other because there is the risk of the bubble will pop in the question is how we deal with that. i worry we have a government debt double and that our government is fueled by borrowing at the debt level excessively. the goal is not to fuel the government by consumption as it is by investment. a lot of things we want to think about to promote investment and enhance profitability will be important for sustained growth. i worry when people say we need spending more to grow the economy. a lot of people are overleveraged. bubbles will always be part of the country and there will be ups and downs. a more even keeled sustained growth -- approach would be all in our best interest. host: before you go, i want to ask you about the debt ceiling. we had rendon boyle who called debt ceilingng the -- that it only creates fiscal crises on a couple months or years'

i wrote a piece for the washington post a couple weeks ago about this. i am in the middle. i think the debt ceiling has been used in a dangerous way in recent years where people have threatened to default, which should be inconceivable. are going towe sacrifice our own economy and weaponize our own economy. that is not how you run a country. i'm worried about watching people take the debt ceiling to the ultimate limit where you're not going to raise it, which means it is a default. i would not like to see us get rid of the debt ceiling without replacing it with something. it is the only check we have on the debt. if you look at the plan for the next year, we have a plan to overw $10 trillion or more the next decade, that is our countries plan. i would posit that is a

dangerous plan. without some kind of restriction on borrowing, the result is that politicians tend to borrow more because it is easy. we need to reform the debt ceiling so that you are taking a vote to increase the debt, that should be when you have to increase the debt ceiling. if we end up having a tax reform ,ill that increases the debt the people who support that bill should have to vote to increase the debt ceiling than because that is when we are entering into those commitments. a breakthere should be the glass option. the president or the leadership should have the option to raise the debt ceiling if congress does not go along with them. there should be automatic savings that go along with that. let's reform it, let's not get rid of any constraint, because right now there are a lot of economic challenges we have.

continuing to borrow indiscriminately so that the growth of the debt is higher than the economy is not a recipe for success and i would like to see limits on that. caller: one last call from georgia, an independent. i would ask the guest where she balls on the living wage debate. the government subsidizes walmart because walmart does not want to pay minimum wage which raises all of our taxes. guest: i do not have a strong position because i think their arguments both ways. i am not a fan of the minimum wage as i am the eip see. i think we can make policies tax grow the economy, reform is going to have a positive affect on growing the economy, and we need to make sure that translates to higher wages. question, important think a lot of work in this

country needs to go into how we are making capitalism work better and more broadly. there are some answers that sound good like increase the minimum wage, which would work in some places and not work in other places. i would like to think more deeply how we ensure that all americans gain when the economy is gaining. that is a bigger topic for another day that it is an important one. host: maya mcguiness works as a committee member for the fix the debt campaign. next, we'll be joined by mike litt from the public interest research group. he will be here to talk about what congress should do in the wake of that massive data breach at equifax. user, tim schmidt will join to talk about concealed carry laws nationwide.

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have to do with financial consumer issues. host: the equifax breach is something you've been working on quite a bit. that, the company has promised consumers more control over their data, more access, are they doing enough? guest: they are not. the best thing you as a consumer can do is get credit freezes at all three credit bureaus and the reason for that is when your information has been stolen, there is only one kind of id fraud that can be stopped before it happens, and that is where someone opens a credit account in your name. the only way to prevent that is by getting credit freezes at all three bureaus. host: explained credit freeze, we have heard credit lock, what of these teams -- what of these terms mean? guest: it stops a potential

predator like a bank or a lender from being able to see your credit history or your credit report. if they cannot see that, then they are not going to open an account and that is how you shut the door on an id the opening an account in your name. that with ancerns lock you might be giving up some of your rights. equifax problem is that is only offering the lock with equifax report, and for complete rejection you need to have it at all three. that is what we are calling on. equifax is in hearings on capitol hill. is the ceo discussing the products equifax is offering. >> we offer free lock product for one year and a free lifetime lock product for life starting january 31, 2018. >> that extends to experience

and trans union? >> will equifax be willing to pay for that lock at xp or he on -- at experion and trans union? trans unionncourage and experion to do the same. it is time we change the paradigm and give the power back to the consumer to control who accesses his or her credit data. you share some of these concerns that the freeze is offered by one of these credit companies but not the other. explain why this is a concern. guest: is like locking your front door but leaving your garage and back doors wide open. by want complete protection

getting freezes at all three credit bureaus. we are not customers, we do not get to choose the credit bureaus collecting and selling our info, and in the case of equifax losing our info, and then we have to pay any kind of fee to protect our credit report, that is not right. call i invite viewers to in if you have questions or concerns, you want to discuss the equifax breach and how it affects you. mike litt is a consumer protection advocate. republicans it is (202) 748-8001 , andocrats, (202) 748-8000 , (202) 748-8002. have the other credit agencies talked about a free credit lock? guest: trans union does appear

to have a free lock. rion has said that they have no interest in offering a free lock at this time. while we are calling on equifax to do the right thing, people should getwait, they credit freezes, get the peace of mind that comes from that and congress should pass legislation that makes credit freezes free. host: what does it cost with all three credit agencies? in eight is only free states and costs eight to $10 at each bureau. host: explain what this map is showing. this is showing eight states where the freeze is free and the yellow illustrates the

which is that in order to have control over your credit report, you have to pay a fee. that is a real problem. congress likely is it will move legislation to make these credit freezes freight -- to make these credit freezes free? guest: we are hopeful. this isll the reforms, one around which there should be a lot of bipartisan support. there are already at least 58 cosponsors on one of these legislations. host: mike litt, here to answer your questions, he has been at all of these equifax hearings, standing not too far from the monopoly man who showed up at some of these hearings. florida.p first from caller: hello, how are you

today? to say what itry need to say, i am nervous. my husband and i went on lifelock yesterday and we gave our social security numbers and they wanted to have us text on , which is a cell phone, you give them your social security number and i do not know how this works but they get all of your information together and we are waiting for a call from them sometime soon to tell us they are going to manage whatever they're going to manage to protect us. the question i have for you is what is this dark web thing, and how does this all play into --

you go through different groups where you can pay for a little extra, it is so mind-boggling. -- tell us how we can protect ourselves with very little knowledge of what goes on in the background when you give all this information, and probably some of it is stolen already, thank you. guest: let me try to help. it sounds like you are signing up for a lifelock service, which the main product is credit monitoring. one thing we always want to be clear about is that all credit monitoring does is allow you to spot changes on your credit report, so it might alert you to the fact that someone has opened an account in your name. this is something you can do for free, everybody by law is able to get a copy of their credit

report at all three credit bureaus every year. your request for those reports and get one from each bureau every three to four months, you are doing your own credit monitoring for free. the other thing you're talking about is there are other services you can also get in addition to that monitoring, things like scanning for information like your social security number that will alert there the facts, whether is suspicious activity, like whether your social security number is being sold on the dark web. something that would not hurt, but it would alert you to the fact that there's been fraud after the fact. it is important to understand that when your information has been stolen, there is different there aredentity -- different kinds of identity fraud that could occur based on the stolen information.

of all the different types of id fraud, there's only one that could be stopped before it happens, that is the kind where somebody opens a credit account in your name, and the only way to prevent that is by getting credit freezes at all three credit bureaus. that is the best thing you can do as a consumer to protect yourself. you've been impacted by the equifax breach, a special line for you. interested to hear what you're doing in the wake of that breach. james is in new york on the line for independents. namer: how would i have my added to the class action lawsuit against equifax. i have also heard that lifelock is owned by equifax. guest: those are great questions. there are several class-action lawsuits that are out there. be best place to start would

calling up a lawyer for that kind of advice, that is something i cannot speak to. one thing i learned during the theregs this week is that is some kind of relationship between lifelock and equifax, it did not quite sound like that one owns the other, but there is some kind of business relationship that we will have to look into more to get a better idea of what is going on. host: you remind us of this issue about forced arbitration and why it came up right after the equifax breach was announced? guest: one of the many problems with the way equifax responded was there one 1 -- there was concerned in the fine print that you might be giving up your rights to a day in court because of arbitration language in those agreements.

because of public outcry, they removed that language from the agreement for their free products, but they still have it in their agreements for their other products on their website. the consumer financial protection bureau issued a rule fromwould ban companies taking that right away from us, but there are many members in congress who want to get rid of that protection before it goes into effect. host: a coalition of banks and trade associations have filed a federal court challenge to that rule by the consumer financial protection bureau. who defenses in court, is the trump administration behind this role -- behind this rule? guest: that is something i'm not sure about. if people contact their members of congress, we need to make sure this is a rule that we keep

in place. june, line for republicans. go ahead. my credithave had reports frozen for several years, and when i checked equifax they said i could be one of the vulnerable once. i have a hard time getting into my credit without paying $10 and using my social security number. why should i be vulnerable when my credit has been locked for years? guest: that is a great question. there are two separate issues. you have been doing the one main thing that you can do that you have control over. having your credit reports someonetill means that could steal your information, but having the freeze means they

cannot use your social security number or your birthdate that has been stolen to open an account in your name. you are doing everything you can do to protect yourself. , if: back to that map everyone in the state of florida froze their credit and paid all the fees they have to pay, the estimate is that the population of florida will of paid 300 and $58 million to pay their credit. to $4.1hat totals billion across the country, not taking into account the fact that in most of those states you have to pay to lift the freeze is when you want to apply to credit. host: all of that money going directly to the credit monitoring agency. guest: that is right. is if you question

, how quicklyredit can you unfreeze it if you are trying to do a mortgage or your trying to buy a car or something like that? guest: it is quick. time,ctice, it is in real it is within minutes of calling the automated phone number or doing it online. havew, the credit bureaus up to a couple days to lift the freeze, but we are not aware of it taking longer than 15 minutes . i have done it myself earlier this year and it took, it was done in real-time. host: are you still with us that coat -- are you still with us? have you frozen your credit or is this something that is keeping you from that step? caller: it is keeping me from

that step because i'm in a mortgage step down and every six months i refinance. it is important for me to be able to freeze it and unfreeze it. guest: absolutely. you're able to freeze and unfreeze and real-time by phone and also online. for those that do not have access online, you could do it by snail mail as well, but in your case you would be able to do it online. host: mike is waiting on the line for those impacted by the equifax breach. he is in new york. i know thatller: i've been impacted only because they have told me when i put in my partial so six -- my partial social security number. withestion is will equifax, why are they not given us any correspondence, and on experion i did put a freeze on

my account, i want to find if the freezes on and i cannot find didhing online, and they tell me there was a freeze but they cannot tell me where i could go to locate whether there was a freeze or not. guest: the first part of your question, part of that has to do with laws that we have for -- for anotification, breach notification, what companies have to do to let people know they have been breached. there are problems with the website, people were getting different results. on theirn their info phone, but then getting different information when they put it in from their computer, some people putting in fake names and numbers and still getting a response. say you placed a freeze with experience -- a freeze with experion?

i placed a freeze with all three but there was no way i could verify it without calling in. it was a place -- there was no place on the website where i could type it in. it wasre able to verify frozen, but my concern is if something was to happen i do not know if somebody would unfreeze it, i do not know five the controller not. your pinur pen -- number is your verification. that is how you know it is on and it will stay on until you lift it yourself worried -- that is how it will stay on until you lift it yourself. host: chris in michigan has been impacted by the breach. caller: i had my bank contacted over the phone by somebody who knew i had credit cards with that bank and new the account number. they raised the credit limit and

made a multi-thousand dollar transfer. i was surprised that the information from banks i did business with and credit card numbers, to me it looked like they knew my credit history. they had access to my private profile. this was back in march before i knew this equifax stuff came out. i wonder if this did not happen earlier than what they are saying right now. guest: let me make sure i'm understanding your situation, are you saying this was on an existing bank account? we lost the collarbone but i believe that is what he was saying. guest: it is unclear if somebody was having access or racking up debt on an existing account, but

it sounds like there was suspicious activity that might have led to some kind of existing account fraud, which is something different than we've been talking about with the new account fraud and credit freezes. with existing accounts, that is where somebody has your credit card number, they can rack up tons of debt that way and that is not something we have control over once our information has been stolen. that is why it is important that you check your statements for any kind of suspicious activity. the banks and credit card companies have their own systems in place to spot that activity. i will occasionally get a call saying did you really make this purchase, because they have a liability for any kind of fraudulent activity. host: just a few minutes left with mike litt. you mentioned breach notification.

somethings doing about breach notification, certainly a topic that has brought more attention in the wake of equifax? guest: there is legislation. breach notification is something we have at the state level and we would only want to see federal breach notification at least asif it as strong as the strongest state laws we have worried california has a good law where if you've been breached you have to let people know. take the should just strongest state laws and use that for how they let their customers know they have been breached across the country. host: you want something like a minimum wage for breach notification? guest: exactly. it should be the floor and not the ceiling. legislationt ceiling notification? guest: that's right. host: call from indiana, line

four independents. caller: i am here. i am hoping you can hear me. no one hasnow why said what the phone numbers are to call these free credit unions so i can put a credit freeze on my credit. at this point i have good credit . you're making me regret having not put the phone numbers in my pocket to take out. website, we dor have the phone numbers you can call to get credit freezes. there is the website, it is the front page.

steps you can take in the wake of the equifax breach. dalton, georgia, line for democrats. caller: i live in an area that is mostly republican and when you mention a government program to them, no matter how well it is run or how bad it is run, they all get their hackles up, the government cannot do anything right. now we see a great example of a company that cannot do anything right, either, and they have all of our information. the question i have is what is the difference between a lock and a freeze, and another question is companies like lifelock, is that serious or they just joking about that like

equifax? your first question about the difference between a lock in -- we, along with other consumer groups actually had to fight the credit bureaus to even make credit freezes available to consumers back in the 2000s. they fought us to get them in now releasing are this lock product. the samear to serve function in that they block your credit report from being viewed the creditor like a bank or and if the lender cannot see your credit history, they are not going to open an account and that is why it is effective in stopping id thieves from

opening accounts in your name. the concern we have with the lock is that it is not a right that is given to you by law the way that freezes are and we have concern that you might have to give away some of your rights by signing up for the lock. equifaxproblem is that is only offering the free lifetime lock with equifax reports and to be completely protected, you need, whether it is a lock or freeze, you need it with all three credit bureaus. in terms of your question about lifelock, that is the company that primarily offers a credit monitoring service, and all that does is let you know about activity on your credit reports after it has happened. the only thing you can do to prevent any kind of id theft once your info has been stolen is getting credit freezes at all three credit bureaus. colorthe numbers for that

,- the numbers for that caller let me get those out. there are the numbers on your screen. one more call from chester, massachusetts, who has been impacted from the equifax breach. runningthank you for the show, i think it is an important topic. i found out the same way everyone else did, putting in a partial social security number with equifax. my feeling is this is all about money, they do not want to do a freeze through three credit unions. you would not have to pay your fee to monitor the credit

reports if you're able to secure your credit from being falsely used to open accounts. people need to get together and call their congressmen and the representatives and make something happen, because this is the security of our financial information. dimly end the segment on that note? that is exactly right. they have been fighting the freeze in part because they have been making a lot of money selling credit monitoring $10 to $20 to $30 a month. if you contact your congressperson, you can help get legislation that is already introduced to make credit freezes free for americans across the country. host: mike litt, thank you so much for your time. segment,next, a phone

democrats only in the wake of a senior democrat saying nancy pelosi and her top lieutenants should make way for the next generation of lawmakers. we want to talk to democrats only asking if they are satisfied with their party leadership. phone line for democrats on the eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8000, mountain and pacific time zone's, (202) 748-8001. you can start calling you now. we'll be right back. book tv is in prime time on c-span two. what a night at 830 eastern, finalists for the 2017 national book awards. ,he author of the evangelicals killers flower moon, and democracy in chains. night, cyber warfare and

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continues. host: for the next half hour we are talking with democrats only. our question -- are you satisfied with your party's leadership? lines for the eastern and central time zone and the mountain and pacific time zones. in about a half an hour we will have a question for republicans only but right now i want to talk to democrats. we do it in the wake of news made yesterday about a top democratic official talking about the leadership in the that official,y, linda sanchez, a democrat from california, the fifth rising democrat in the house and she at newsmakersnt yesterday, our newsmakers program airing sundays at 10:00. here are part of her comments. >> of leadership does a tremendous job, but i think we ofe a breath and depth

talent and it is time to pass the torch to a new generation of leaders. i want to be a part of that transition, i want to see that manyn, i think we have too great members that do not get the opportunities they should. i would like to see that change. what nancy pelosi a caucus leadership challenge? >> i do not know. everybody has their opinion. >> by saying it is time for a generational change, what you are suggesting is it is time for her to go? >> i don't want to single her out. i think it is time to pass the torch to a new generation. they are all of the same generation and their

contributions to the congress and caucus are substantial, but i think there comes a time when you need to pass that torch and i think it is time. host: that full interview with congresswoman linda sanchez will air on our newsmakers program sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. served inhez has congress since 2003, representing eastern los angeles county. her comments on newsmakers got a response from the office of nancy pelosi. a spokesperson saying in email to the washington post that nancy pelosi enjoys wide support in the caucus and has always said she is not in congress on a shift but on a mission. she is focused on winning back the house and everything else is a distraction from her path to the majority. to democratslk only, are you satisfied with party leadership?

democrats in the eastern united ,tates, (202) 748-8000 democrats in the mountain and pacific region, (202) 748-8001. we will start with david, germantown, maryland. one of the things with the republicans, john boehner was forced to quit. democrats are doing a good job. they follow the leaders and you take over. they do a good job. it is internal civil war, we do not need that right now, we need unity as democrats to take over the house and the senate and put a check on donald trump. host: john is a democrat in florida. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call.

i think all parts of government should have term limits. we have senators and congressmen in office for 20 or 30 or more they come up with the same ideas that did not work before. why keep the same people in office if we can get new blood and new ideas in the government? host: do you have an idea of who might be good for leadership position in the democratic party, who might be the new blood and new ideas? caller: i am not sure about that. i lost a lot of confidence in obama went he got out of office, he opened the door to cuba and he turned around and bought an $8.1 million mansion in washington, i lost a lot of respect for him. not only him but in the democratic party. conversation

happening on our twitter page and on facebook, on facebook jennifer writes in she is not satisfied with the democratic party leadership. that is why became an independent after trump. they became the party of problems and not solutions. they do not represent me at all. the education policies put forward are a joke. join the conversation or give us a call like alan did in houston texas. how are you?ou -- i hope everyone in america is doing the best they can. i worked on the bernie sanders campaign and did the phone banking, etc.. people were invigorated with bernie sanders and people were feeling young again. dynasty intic

hillary clinton, i'm not anti-hillary, i voted for her, ,t snuffed out that kindling that spark, they snuffed it out. everyone talks about reagan we were getting trump republicans because everyone saw that trump was a full -- that trump was a fool and we were scared. we would get a lot of republicans and the democratic institution just snuck that flameout. -- simple speaking voice president obama had a great oration voice, nancy pelosi, i do not disagree with what she said and i do not disagree, but we need somebody with a

physically good oration voice, a good speaking and speech voice. host: what you think about chuck schumer? caller: chuck schumer, he needs more passion. a lot of the problem with the democrats is they play it too safe. they go a centimeter to the left. on gun control, we do not want to aggregate -- to aggravate the gun people so we are only going to ask once for backup checks. they only want to go a shade to the left. that is why bernie sanders invigorated the party because he said universal health care, he nancygood speaking voice, pelosi, this is not a personal attack, but her speaking voice is mousey.

guest: cindy is in frederick, maryland. i am satisfied with democrats the way they are. i do not see these democrats as being savvy enough yet to take over leadership role. host: who are some of those up and comers you're looking at? looking at my own representatives. i do not know that they have the savvyecognition or the they need to be successful in congress. do you think if room was

made for some of those folks at the top that they could make a name for themselves, they could demonstrate more savvy? caller: certainly. i look forward to that because none of us live forever and i would like to see the democratic party keep going strong. twitter, the problem is not the leadership but the split between constituents. arizona, gon miami, ahead. caller: i'm it disabled veteran but i wish the democrats would say something about the second amendment. if people like the second , maybe we should have slavery again. it is a shame in this country

that every american should have universal health care. , he is aald trump dummy. he has never sacrificed anything in his life. democrat andl always will be and i have had prostate cancer for over 21 years and i will take that to my deathbed. the democrats need to stand up to donald trump. john is in albuquerque, new mexico. i believe that nancy pelosi has and will continue to be a fine leader. i support her 100%. i think linda sanchez is also a tomidable -- she is entitled

say that, but we need unity in the democratic party. one would not have wanted to oust 10 kennedy or tip o'neill because they have been there for a long time. i think republicans are unified for the most part behind trump for now. we will see how long that lasts. fine and icy is would hate to see barbara boxer leave, she was the under -- the was the other wonderful later -- the other wonderful lady. talking aboutbe republicans to just republicans in a few minutes about the state of their party and what their partner represents, so that will be a republicans only session in about 15 minutes. the next 15 minutes, just talking to democrats. this morning the monthly jobs report for september was

released, the labor department with its hiring and unemployment lostes showing the economy 33,000 jobs, the first monthly decline in seven years, wall street economists had expected gains of 80,000. the unemployment rate did fall to 4.2 percent, the jobless rate was 4.4%. back to your calls, democrats only, are you satisfied with your party's leadership? catherine is in mobile, alabama. caller: forgive my voice, i have asthma. leadership.r the young people need to understand, i was raised in the 50's and the 60's, we were out in the streets, we were fighting for your civil rights, women, you do not understand how serious this is. we were fighting for you to have your own rights over your bodies, snap out of it.

nancy pelosi has been very vigilant, she knows how to legislate. we have wonderful legislators, they understand the rules, this is very important. our country is in a very bad state of affairs. we cannot play around and have people in charge that are not serious. these are republican talking points, they are trying to cause dissension in our party. snap out of it, unified, it is very important. we can take the house and the senate. i live in alabama, we have a strong candidate here for the to beat judge moore, which is the laughing stock of the country. get out there, campaign for your civil rights, understand our leaders are doing everything they can and you young upstarts better snap out of it. our country is spiraling into

terrible times, authoritarianism is trying to get us and this is serious. anything else you want to know, i can give you all kinds -- host: what would you say to those who criticize democratic leadership because democrats do not hold the house, they do not hold the senate and they do not hold the white house? caller: let's talk about not holding things. there's been a lot of cheating going on -- i hope everyone understands the severity of the gerrymandering. you need to call your legislators and demand that this gerrymandering stop. in alabama we outnumber the right wing extremists, most places in the country we far outnumber the right wing extremists but we cannot get you to gopeople off your duff and vote, that means vote in the midterms also. i am talking to you young people because i've been there, i sacrificed and i am still

sacrificing. , i've 14 rescue animals and no time for all of this, but i am part of the resistance every day. i have my own business to run, i get no sleep, i am running toward 70, what are you doing, are you getting out of that, are you just complaining or are you doing something to get this country under control? the white male has failed to lead this country peacefully, all we see is war bloodshed and mayhem. there is dissension everywhere, snap out of it. we need peace, love and kindness. .nified, democrats young people, stop playing into the republicans and the russian narrative. from an old lady who has lived through the horrors of vietnam, my first husband lost his mind there and the horrors of the kkk

in the 1950's, you better snap out of it now, this is not the part for playing around. this is the time for being serious. tv, all ofs reality this stuff is a joke. you better get with it and see what it happened in germany and you better take all of this very seriously. springfield, oregon, good morning. caller: i'm upset with the democratic party right now. i felt that we were robbed during the democratic primary when bernie sanders was running. , she has no credibility whatsoever. trouble for insider trading and nothing happened with that. she has made millions of dollars

in knowing what stocks are going to go up. they lost the majority of the house, their approval rating is 16%, i am upset with the democratic party and i believe that the old people in the senate do not represent the younger people in our community. they do not represent the majority of the democrats and the things they want. -- they are the same as the republican party. is 77 andy pelosi served in congress since 1987, has led house democrats for 14 years. she served as house speaker from 2007 to 2011 and remains the minority leader.

the comments yesterday by congresswoman linda sanchez on our newsmakers program, the washington post notes, are the most explicit by a senior congressional democrat and a member of the california congressional delegation, about nancy pelosi's political future. here is more from what linda sanchez had to say. for vice chair of the caucus, it is because i saw there a things we could be doing differently or better. the platform iran on was a platform of change and i believe that sometimes we leave our best and thatff the field is because they do not have the seniority that other members do. we can be stronger if we develop the talent we have individually. each individual makes our caucus stronger. there comes a time when you have to provide those opportunities

to members that are talented or they will begin to leave. they will leave to run for governor or senate or other more local positions. i think it is time for us to have a serious discussion with in our caucus about how we are going to operate. if you want a watch that entire interview, you can watch it on newsmakers. it at 2 p.m. on sunday. are you satisfied with your party's leadership? good morning. i am not satisfied with the leadership, the nonsense in this --t election which can be and schulz and donna brazile, no

cleaning house, no apologies, no -- it isthe leadership not that they are worse than the , but they have lost -- bernieership, sanders came in and said we want government for people, we do not want all these benefits to corporations at the expense of working people. leadership did not mitigate so i like nancy pelosi, and it is not just nancy pelosi, it is the upper management. host: who else is included in upper management?

caller: my job lets me watch c-span all day, so i see the congressional hearings and the machinations that go on, nobody works together, i think all of these people need to start working together or we will replace you. i do not think republicans are anymore happy with the republican party then democrats are with the democratic party. there is not unity anywhere. host: thank you for watching c-span. chuck is in new york city. caller: good morning. i'm very happy with the have.atic leaders we a snake in the brass -- a snake in the grass effort

to thwart what is there and i say beware of the employees of the republican party. linda sanchez, the democratic , seems to be playing ato the hands, might even be distant operative of the effort to undermine the democrats. i do not see any reason to cast -- to cast aside wisdom over the prospect of an intervention that is not been oriented to the slings and arrows of present-day politics. host: what about that same question, that wisdom has not

brought results in terms of a majority in the house and senate or the white house. caller: that is what i am talking of doubt. it is period of time difficult to see away if you are not already there. as an 80-year-old citizen of these united states of america, you see things, and you see things go. i do not see any reason why you should cast aside wisdom to have it all to appear that it is a couple of people like nancy pelosi. i think she is a wonderful person and chuck schumer. that split that sits in the democrat party with one of these people that are the poll that seems to be working very closely with republican party. iowa, go ahead.

i think hillary clinton put her ambitions to be president at head of the good of the country. projectiles, i kind of lost

of the him and much democratic party, they wanted to save president clinton's face. host: do you consider yourself a democrat now? caller: independent progressive, i like to go down the middle of the street and hope everybody what me alone, you know i'm saying? host: time for one more call, utah, last caller in this segment. democrats only, are you atisfied with your party leadership? caller: i am. however, i feel like we've got integrity, we've come to a knife fight, come to a gun are with a knife, we holding on to the belief that we can change policy by knowing about and talking having a plan, whereas the republicans are all hype smchlt they are doing are undermining our country. hey blocked a supreme court judge, who was qualified. our state legislatures have been to the point dem krass can't win.

-- found to have won. have blocked s obama's agenda saying they to increase the deficit. they don't feel bad about the 2.6 trillion increase in the deficit. had a n by saying they better health care plan and in truth, they had nothing. legislative the representatives are owned by the oil companies and the ranching democrats can't get a foot hold here. you could go right down the list all of the unfair cheating republicans and the country is allowing it. populous as much as the people who are the republicans who are committing unfairness. but, the leadership of the emocratic party hung on to integrity and taken the high road, take michelle obama's

saying when they go low, we go high that, is killing us. for the good of the country, we have to get in the gutter with fight fire ans and with fire or this country is ocrasy, go to corporate have ike the russians because republican dos not care about the country, they care power and ection, money. host: that is lynn, last democratic caller in this phones of the "washington journal" today. we turn to a question for the licans only for republican viewers, the question we have, does the party your value? republicans in the eastern and central time zone, 202-748-8000.

republicans leader necessary congress are under attack from all sides of their own party by voters from the right and left, burned by threateneddonors and by the trump white house for and ect leadership insufficient loyalty. since last week, senate republicans lost one of their own when roy moore, the state trounsed luther strange in a senate runoff in alabama. corker of ent, bob tennessee kicked off the fight establishment th preferred successor governor run on lem declining to thursday. an audio tape surfaced of vice chief of mike pence's staff, nick ayers.

forced to phy was resign after text from his became public about his abortion.n of the story noting republicans are increasingly mistified by their grass-roots and electorate they thought they had known and of turnover in the ranks fundamentally changed the character of congress. light of that story, in light of this discussion that we just to with democrats, we want talk to republicans, only. the uestion is: does republican party represent your values. again, eastern and central time republicans, 202-748-8000. mountain and pacific time zone, republican, 202-748-8001. arkansas, p first in in arkansas, good morning. caller: hi, how you doing? yeah, they do represent me. i don't think a lot of people

capitalism, it is something you can start your own business and make a lot of money doing your own work. i've seen that in democrats. this lady it is talking about an keeps pelosi and people being around, that is why you are supposed to vote. is how you get rid of these people. that is all i have to say. that crap, $30, i've had it 20 years and never had a problem. it easy. host: robert, you speak of business, here is a business topic. the senate has confirmed resident donald trump's nomination of rand all coral to federal resefrve. salt lake city, head of an investment firm 65-tla vote on thursday. the story this morning from post gazette newspaper. want to hear from just

republicans. represent your value? don is in taylor, michigan. represent you? caller: yes, i just want to psychotic facist, yeah, he represents my morals, it's ridiculous, this guy is not, a fascist, all chaos. host: b.j., ohio, go ahead. i liberal ind of am conservative because liberal, stolen by the en democratic party, nothing liberal about them, nothing about them anymore, that is why i have to be a republican supporter. nd i took, i really felt very, chuck od when i saw schumer crying about those that were shot, but he has no problem

with 60 million babies having been murdered and a law that ccepts murder and they are talking about euthanizing senior citizens, that is really a nice part of.be host: where are they talking about euthanizing senior citizens? at oregon and washington state, absolutely. talked about for quite a while, very subtle, you will hear more and more about that. senior homes can't take care of them anymore. to be over 80 are going euthanized if they have their way. they have no problem killing babies, why have problems with senior citizens. it's an even party and we have up, that is one reason i'm a republican, thank you for your time. republicans g to only, does the republican party represent your values? eastern or in central time zone, 202-748-8000. epublicans in the mountain and pacific time zone, 202-748-8001.

california, ut to patrick. good morning, does the party represent your values? caller: good morning. no, it doesn't. host: why is that? caller: well, i consider myself, being a california resident, i'm a reagan epublican, i'm highly disappointed with mitch mcconnell and his leadership in the house ofd also representatives. and i think that the leadership, i know they preach republicanism, they need to stop to thatit and move back and get the party back on track. leadership and the other thing, they need to support the president. i know they have differences, there and o get in support the president's policies and push things forward. appreciate the opportunity. host: patrick, what is your view articlesillerson out of focusing on him and his relationship with the president this week? you know what, great question. i agree that mr. tillerson is

fantastic job. he came out of private industry, the oil industry, i find it very public utility, as well, i find it hard he would or make those types of comments in a if he hadal decor um, differences with the president, address those in the oval office between one another. whoever put that report out, i throw a lot of shade on t, i don't think it is accurate. again, from a gentleman coming out of private industry and significant the position he held, i find it very hard he would use that language that er to the president way. host: rex tillerson calling the ews conference wednesday to deny that report and that he considered resigning. the headline in "new york times" by peter baker, unlikely unlikely to stay for tillerson diplomatic reakthrough with trump proved elusive. c.j. in providence, rhode

island. good morning. morning to you. good morning, sir. host: good morning, does the represent your values? caller: absolutely. absolutely. is trying can party conservatism to bring this party and bring this country back to where it should be. people show respect for this country again. mean, it's too -- you can't say one thing these days without word would be -- saying you're prejudice against this part of the country, prejudice against that. the government is like a family. family has rights and wrongs and work through it. but the democrats were in an inch ot give and i was listening to your last segment on the democrat line. were saying they need to be

together, they are more together than the republican party is. donald trump, our president, wants to do what is good for country, he's done everything he could do in his lifetime to build his own legacy now he wants to give back, i truly believe that. they need to stand behind him more than they do now. the tillerson question, i just speaker talk t about. great e gentleman and a man -- to work for our to ask how i like many democrats did that in the white house? e have eight right now taking their 1 salary in the white house right now today and they say donald ing to trump gives his money back to government, tates each paycheck he gets, no one no one d

mentioned that. who called rhule, president trump that name is an absolute liar, they will do anything, anything to punish donald trump just because who he is. he is not part of the establishment. ed, in pleasant valley, new york, does the party values?t your caller: yes, it does. the problem that i see is there handful of republicans in there that don't want change, the problem with our country, we a change, we need a big change. host: who are the ones that ed?t want change, caller: mitch mcconnell and a theof the people, you know, paul ryan. these guys are jumping back and support, no support, john you know, one , thing i can say about the wrong, they ight or stick behind each other. republicans, they jump ship as soon as they hear one bad thing about donald trump.

i live in new york state, this state is ridiculous. moved to new n york to do what she did, move herself up politically. you go ride around upstate new york, mid-state new york, it's abandoned. the state looks like heck. when i was a kid, i used to go at theyork city and look old buildings falling down, look like heck. ou go down there and see trump towers, see the buildings. that man, that is one reason i .ted for him if he could do that to new york do for this n he country? that is what i believe in. backwards take the politics and there is a lot of disrespect for the country, our it is y, our police, and not prejudice, the prejudice eeps coming out of the democratic party and it is killing our country and believe me, i live in new york, i went school, my best friends were all different races and it that. about it is not racist, but people

plantingging it up and in the heads of the people in our country. it is wrong and shouldn't be done. ed, in new york this morning. on twitter, sandy writes: establishment does not represent my conservative ideals, that is why the tea replace them g to all over time. republicans only for the next 15 does the he question, party represent your values? talking with democrats and republicans during this hour of open phones. at how americans view various parts of our government, including the president, from "u.s.a. today" suffolk university poll ahead of mid-term election. the "u.s.a. today" story noting americans hold just about politics in low esteem, not to mention the news media. whopping ot a unfavorable rating of 64% to 17%. the democratic party is viewed unfavorably by double digit, 48% to 37%.

fares worse, 52% of 23%. mike pence's unfavorable rate suggest better trump.esident 34%.dent trump is 57% to the news media viewed unfavorably, worse than the dismal 50% to 37% unfavorable in the first poll of the year by the "u.s.a. today" suffolk university pollsters, ahead of the mid-term election. only, does the party represent your value? eastern or central time zone, republican, 202-748-8000. if you are in the mountain or acific time zones and you are republican, 202-748-8001. arkansas, goodle, morning. caller: good morning. my call.r taking two questions. i don't think either party

my views. i feel like that is the biggest for trump.ted he was mainly because he was not i've been fed d up with him since i became aware of politics. i helped clinton get in by voting for perot. e can see we have crooked politicians, being bought off and so on and so forth. and, true came in as democrat or he's ican, in my opinion, been on both sides, and that is stand.f where i i'll generally vote republican, when i try to vote independent, i saw happen.what that is really my opinion. host: dave -- think a lot of america followed that by voting for trump. vote in let's not another machine operated politician on either side of the party. host: dave, do you think you

could vote independent again? caller: it would be tough to do, i felt like i threw my vote when voted independent and all we can really vote for is a democrat or republican and until changed to where we have an equal playing field interested in helping ur country, i think nonpoliticians will win out on that, should we be able to do that. i think we're on a good course politicians, om but so much interference and to we areis from happening, a nation of laws and one thing i like, i don't think this to sue the going state for trying to uphold federal immigration laws, for instance. i'm not trying to bash one erson or another or one party or another, i just think that we're the land of the free and

over regulated and i saw that trump saw that and i usa did. rest of the i'm not crazy about trump, but nonpolitician y candidate that i was comfortable going to represent more of my view than any other were offered. we again, i wish we could get equal laying field to where money gets taken out of politics and elections and allow us to hear everyone equally, would be great, i think, start to having a free america again. host: thanks for the call from arkansas. hilton head island, south carolina. republican, talking to republicans only this section. not sure our values have been articulated. recently n sass, written a book, i think it does express our values.

that, it summarize seems republicans should believe belief e based on the that responsibility begins with the individual, then goes to the family, local d community and then upward until essentially for federal comes into play. nd all that seems to revolve around the individual responsibility and how you ultimately pay for things. democrats e tag, the ut on things has not been estimated. republicans are aware of their to responsibility to adhere their beliefs about the individual responsibility, the extended family and the way -- so i think that down in is letting us government, looking for their wn piece of the pie, trying to protect their own limited like tuencies or someone john kasich, can see opportunity

to compromise and he's the kind person i would look forward to lead the party in the future. ost: brian, you mentioned ben sass, the senator, was on our book notes program our afterwards program on book t.v. t was earlier this year, talking about his book "the vanishing american adult," if ou want to go back and watch that, you can watch on c-span.org. it is the 30th anniversary year c-span video library, so if the event occurred last night back and s ago, go watch it all at c-span.org. tta, georgia, e good morning. good morning. i do not feel the republican party represents my values anymore. i was a reagan republican and fiscal ays been more conservative, but moderate there in thelace for moderates republican party anymore. of become more a party

theocracy, than governing values. it is really sad, very sad. do?: what is a moderate to caller: well, i'm still trying figure that out. the now, i think you have bernie -- the democratic party, i think there has to be some the independents are the majority, you know, they are than for more republican and i feel like we'll to get organized because there is a great number of like myself who, you know, are not quite as liberal the bernie wing and we are governedested in being by a religious party who has turned its back on alues that i grew up believing

the republican party stood for. so, i don't know. don't know what is going to happen. host: did you vote for president trump last year? not, first i did time in my life i did not vote for a republican president. for? who did you vote caller: i voted for hillary clinton. herld my nose and voted for simply because all of the things trump have d about come true and he's just not fit to be president. unstable, too emotional and is not willing to learn anything. host: what republican would bring you back to vote for again cans for president if they rand again? caller: in the primaries, i marco rubio, mitt romney happily, you know, but it seems that the republican party the more its back on moderate centerist listening

wants to go for fire brands. look at roy moore, i mean, he is completely the wrong person to the senate, yet republicans are putting him in the senate. -- i don't know this party anymore and i've been a member since 1980. host: tom in post falls, idaho, a republican. morning.d caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. he establishment of the republican party has -- rarely, as ver, had the same value the people. i think they solely and bankers at epresent the federal reserve and corporate interest. that republican party has been steadfastly against our not dent is because he's one of them. i think if we had a strong third in this country then we'd have two parties because

democrat s and leadership seem to be exactly the same and just push the status quo. get $20 trillion in debt? host: what is the values of the comes to the t republican party? caller: i think the values of the eople when it comes to republican party is honesty from our government, not this lies and deceit that -- there is no way a single believes that $20 trillion in debt is a good idea, continually raise the debt ceiling and if you want to olagarcs own both parties, every time we get a of that, the ide party turns on them. same, bernie sanders on the everything rty did to maintain power. starting d mr. trump to breathe life into his campaign, it was anyone, but in the party because they all work for the same party, the people.

hen we get an independent in there, it changes. so i'm grateful mr. trump won, i things he a lot of does, but he's not one of them. as long as we have the two-party system deciding for us who we can and can't vote for, we'll heard.ave our voice it's time for new blood, throw ryan's mcconnell's and and the rest of the leadership and we'll be fine. host: tom, thanks. luis, cortez, colorado. ahead. caller: well, i very much agree agenda. republican democrats have aused a lot of dissension in this country. of the rallying and all of the -- oh, shenanigans that went on when just was elected, they

could not face the fact that or ica did not want clinton hillary in there. there is continual trump and against from the nobody democratic party wants to is not on body that their side. and i have voted either way. i've been a republican most of democratic eft the always ars ago, but i voted who i thought was the best candidate. put hillary indy that office? what she did eard when she found out she wasn't it just -- it was appalling to me. -- : luis, can i ask you

caller: i think -- host: you talked about the epublican agenda, what is the republican agenda right now? caller: the republican agenda is to get the american people back in control of our nation and not have the democratic crap that goes on. they're lie t thelying, they continuously, they are well -- example, the polls that take place against trump that took place when the election was going on, they are all wrong, wrong now. for the most part, a republican to get on those becauseus polls anyway, who knows when you tell them something, are they putting it down like you tell it? host: luis, in colorado. herndon, , michael, virginia. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my

call. i always believe that the republicans do have a good country.o run this but when i look at that, my mind s changed when i saw the first of all, the tea party. if you look at what tea party republican, they destroyed the whole republican. you need to understand one thing. i don't want n, koch brothers tell me who i should vote. republicans, they used to make deals and used to care fort this country, was good hem, now we have ignorant people that tracking politicians, if they don't do do.t they want them to that is not how we see republicans. look what happening in alabama, you think the men alabama vote for as senator can do good republicans once he gets here, he will start doing the wrong thing. mitch mcconnell can't do nothing. i just can't figure out how the

republicans can stand up when they know they can do better for he country, but they are not doing the right thing, it is not crime that when you deal make with the democrats, just like the lady just called. people, american democrats are not american people? we are american people. care about this country, we need to learn how to compromise. forget compromise. the word compromise, republicans, they forget that. together in be country, we need to give us something to get something. i'm very disappointed by the lawmakers, they country, we nee do what is right. for god's sake doshgs what is country, don't worry about -- host: michael, the last call in "washington f journal." oming up next, joined by tim scmidt, we'll talk about conceal

nationwide. first this weekend, our c-span cities tour continues as book and american history t.v. travel to south dakota as we city's history and literary life, here is mayor the harding talking about city and its role at the state's capital. guest: we sit on the missouri second e have the largest dam in the world, just about five miles north of the city. geographically speaking, we're in the center of the state and regional area, a ause it is 160 miles to bigger city compared to pierre, 13,600 people in our community, so we're small for a capital, but serve a big regional area. there is probably two big drivers in the city of pierre.

he first being agricultural community. we're surrounded by rolling cattle country and farming country, a lot of wheat and own, a lot of corn sunflower. agriculture is probably our driver here in the central part of the state the city of pierre. the second one, unique to state capital. the state government stabilized our economy, two out of 10 state work for government. so when the ag industry is down, got that stable working for us for our community. town in fiveacross minutes, it is just everybody knows everybody. helps everybody. it's, you know, where the kids you know that they're in safe hands, wherever they are at. people watch out for people,

seems like everything is in motion, more relaxed and just a great place. >> "washington journal" continues. schmidt, president of the concealed carry association wisconsin.from good morning, what is the association?he guest: john, the mission of the 2022, we want to educate and train 10 million responsible gun owners in and next we want to ensure one million members and engineered the math, when we do that, we will stop ultimately s and save a thousand people's lives. ost: how do you go about doing that? caller: for us, it is education, training and teaching people to gun owners.le we are about empowering people front-line defender, when the family is counting on

them. publication, rint all sorts of online videos, we ave literally thousands of certified firearms trainers across the country that teach to be face-to-face how that responsible gun owner and when people join our covered by, they are a self-defense, insurance protection that makes sure when a situation, they have to defend their families, they have the best epresentation and the best attorneys. host: explain the math you are talking about, reverse you expect how do that you'll save that many lives? guest: sure. no problem. used to be an engineer, the it.h thing, i love when you teach a million people to be responsible gun owners, people who areon able to defend themselves, you know, against deadly attack. look at f.b.i. crime statistics, that will 20,000 ally thwart crimes, either attempted murders or aggravated assaults and if

do the math based on the the . stats, on percentages, if 20,000 crimes people'sed, a thousand lives will be saved. host: how many members do you have? 225,000 members, we're a ittle bit aways away from our goal of million. we are continuing to grow rapidly, we grow approximately every single year. host: how many states require weapon?rmit to carry a guest: so right now there's 39 some form of permit. that means there is eleven tates that actually have constitutional carry, meaning they don't require their itizens to get a permit to carry a gun. of the 39 states, there is all state f different, every has different legislation, different laws, some states are some states are what is called may issue,

you ng may issue states have to ask for permission from our local sheriff or the local attorney general before you can get that permit, the shall issue states, if you go through the process, the governing body has to issue the permit. way for t is the right doing that in your mind? which one of those processes do correct way?the guest: mmm, great question, john. you with may surprise my answer. o, i'm a firm believer in people's responsibilities. if you're going to carry a gun, that comes with tremendous you're in a y f. situation where you go to a state and the state says, well, to get four six hours of training and pass a you can test and then carry a gun, which quite frankly, most of the states, of their e extent concealed carry permit process . essence, what happens, john, you instill false sense of confidence in people, they have

they reallying when don't. i believe the way the states do ith constitutional carry, meaning put the responsibility on the responsibly armed ultimately then fine organizations like mine and get into the habit of training, is really what you need to do, train on a regular basis, four to six hour business to get a permit. ost: what is right to carry reciprocity? guest: right to carry reciprocity, imagine you have a drivers license in the state you live. everyone knows that you can drive all over the country and doesn't matter what state you are in, that state will recognize your drivers license. opposite with concealed carry. i'm from wisconsin, i have permit in arry wisconsin, a handful of states recognize that permit and say, can carry in our state, as well. there is a whole bunch of states that don't recognize it. time i go on a trip, i have to do research and make

sure i understand where i can carry a gun, what that translates into where i can and can't defend myself. the reciprocity bill that is in the senate and the house essentially ld force every state to recognize the permits of every other state the same way we do with drivers licenses. schmidt, ifng to tim you want to call in, we'll be having this conversation until today. phone lines, republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. line for concealed carry permit holders, want to this morning. 2 202-748-8003. what do you think the lessons are from the las vegas shooting in goodness, the lessons are, it is difficult to

understand why a person would do this and i know there are so many people that are like, how can we prevent from happening again, can we ban certain items and i would who think that is the long-term solution to really think, you know, if if certain pment, pieces of plastic didn't exist, do we really think that would stopped this massacre, this terrorist attack from happening? wouldn't. it and so what do we learn? we learn that we have a lot of out to do of what is wrong with our society that will actually produce people like this. it is absolutely heartbreaking and very discouraging. host: you don't support a -- ban? uest: look, if i thought that banning bump stocks would magically make it so they would b, never be and used again, i don't know, maybe that is a good idea. would.t think it i will say this, just the

discussion of banning bump literally introduced at least three or four thousand market place the because people are clamoring to buy them. added new bump stocks to the market, which as you make both know, something illegal, it doesn't automatically disappear. criminals tend to not follow laws. if you think bump stocks are the about it ust talking has made it worse. host: what do you think about the national rifle association debate to the k concealed carry debate? nra in a statement saying that there should be regulations, onal whatever that means, on the bump stocks, but they also say on five million members across the country, congress right to carry reciprocity bill so american themselves and their familys from acts of violence. are the two things tied together

now? guest: i don't think they should be tied together. nra, theyspect for the are pioneers in the fight for the second amendment. nra, in i think the agreeing that making bump stocks thing, i thinkood they are caving a little bit to knee-jerk feel-good pressure that of course always surround situations like this. i shouldn't say, it is more an emotional response. think we all know simply passing a law never has an effect on crime. i mean, look at the biggest in our country, chicago, d.c., l.a., these are the most that have gun control laws in place. to think that passing a law will any effect on any future real.nce, i think is not ost: tim scmidt, here to take your questions with us until 10:00.

line for irst, democrats. brian from michigan, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. michigan, we have open carry, also have concealed carry permits. if i was to open carry and then with from point a to b, my weapon in my trunk, that is concealment, which is against the law. how would i be able to open move from point a to b without breaking the law of concealment? guest: so when you say move, you are talking about going from state; correct? caller: within the state. guest: within the state? wisconsin, i'm not well versed on the laws of michigan. know and i would give you this advice, open carry is not most tactical sound -- tactically sound method of you lose tactical advantage, i would personally

recommend you conceal carry, would be my recommendation. host: the u.s. conceal carry the u.s.c.c.a.com, we have a special line for those permits.cealed carry 202-748-8000 -- 8003. is on that line from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: how you doing? host: good. go ahead. caller: i'm absolutely for national reprosity law. believe that all conceal carry right have the absolute to go from state to state to protect ourselves and our loved any crime or anyone who wants to hurt us or do harm us. and i've been working very, very with my state senators and my congressmen to passed.et that schmidt..

greekt i think the national very ocity law is important. i can tell you stories of ituations where by simply sneaking into a state, maybe got in a car crash and have been doing d for literally nothing. i'm 100% behind you and we need passed.hat host: different take on the concealed carry reciprocity act conference of mayors, their statement on that act. the conceal carry reciprocity act are to reduce gun violence, ssentially force locality to give full faith and credit and standards and nt keep a proper vetting process in place. response? guest: well, i certainly can mayors and how elected have a tendency to go down that

path. radio nny, i was on the program with a senator in oregon, they had that same were concerned that oregon would have to ecognize permits from states that had much worse conceal make it happen and so ironically, these guys homework dn't done well. oregon has out of all the states privileged, o be lowest levels of training required. hen i explain that to them, they are caught off guard and the thing is, though, most similar ve very processes for getting concealed arry permit and i mean, if we truly believe that self-defense is a natural right, that we all we really shouldn't make our citizens go through hoops just to cross state lines. host: to strongville, ohio, line for independents. chris, good morning. caller: good morning. here in ohio, we have concealed

necessarily not concealed carry, is there an the ization addressing issue of having concealed carry knives?pect to and different kinds of knives we an carry and different blade lengths and things like that? does your organization address that need? guest: that's a great question. unfortunately, we don't, we're strictly focused on firearms and certainly i personally believe it is mportant to pay attention to knives, as well. i carry a knife everyday, that is a great point. last thing you want to do is follow laws with your firearm, accidentally nd break them with a knife. i do know there is a national there are iation, knife rights associations and i would encourage you to look them see what they are working on. host: some questions from viewers on twitter about the of getting a concealed carry permit. process?he usual

guest: typical process? again, every state is different, can speak for wisconsin and a handful of other states, you are similar, that is, typically go through six to setting r classroom situation where instructor in the front, studying a book, watching presentations. end of the class you take a multiple choice test to make basic fundamentals of firearm safety understood and ramifications of using your firearm. often the states require the take the students to a live fire range and shoot a course of fire at typically yards or 21 feet and to prove that the student can safely handle a firearm. now, as i mentioned before, i this level ofieve preparation and training is ridiculously low. saying the government should mandate what it should

be, i guarantee they will screw instead responsibility of get into the to habit of regular training to truly be that responsibly armed citizen. healths there any mental screening involved? guest: so the mental health typically done when you purchase the handgun, the atf, takes care of that. host: mike is in new mexico, on who have for those concealed carry permits. good morning. caller: hello. host: go ahead, mike, you're on. caller: oh, thank you. concerns, i'm concealed carry, i'm in a small, small community. sheriff, every police officer, they know what i'm standing there with them during an incident. another state, reciprocity state, i need some able to help the police officers around me

considered a suspect. you know, like a shoulder badge or badge or something so they who i am. and then, the second concern, i'd like to ing talk about is the trials, i utiful thing, awesome, would like to see some shows, videos that have people that defended themselves and kept the evil person from family.ng their that is my two issues. thank you. mmm.: guest: those are great issues, i'll address them in reverse order. love the idea of t.v. shows maybe a netflix stories of armed citizens doing the right thing and the result being positive. i'll s a great idea and put my team on it and we'll see what we can do. first question, which was what do you do when you are in a situation with law have a gun and you and want to help out. my first thought would be, be

careful, right? the only time you would actually the pull a gun out or use firearm in presence of law enforcement is if an officer was and in distress. if that is the case, i assure you, they would be happy you rescue.the if you in a crime scene and say mini-mart and t a you stop a criminal from trying when the mini-mart, police show up, you put your gun down and hands up and explain to i'm not the bad guy, i'm the good guy, make sure you are not carrying that gun. arrive, everyone is a suspect, you have to keep that in mind. from on twitter, question doug, wanting to know if you are manufactures. guest: great question. a chat ly was having with one of my employees last friend d we ran into a train that we used to

together and i haven't seen him for a long time and he asked me, tim, you must have a lot of guns you're in.e business i admit, i have a lot of guns. them all forou get free? free ever ever received a gun. if someone sends one, i send it back, i don't want free stuff. what i found, when someone gives you a free gun or tries to pay $1000 gun and want $10,000 in value in return, it is never worth it. to be specific to the question, of course i'm not paid by the is a nufacturers, this private association, a private made for our t is uscaamembers. the host: how many guns do you have? guest: couple handguns and couple rifles. ost: you mentioned you were an engineer, how did you go to

running this organization? uest: well, i studied engineering in college and started a small engineering business and when i started children, my first son was born, i went through my own awakening, if you will. i realized, i need to be that first line of defense, i most of the time when you call 911, it is already too late. i was, e engineer that john, i took a deep dive down into, let's figure this thing and realized that there wasn't a lot of support for a starting from the beginning. started the uscca as print magazine, and that was trust me, rocky, rocky start, but i persevered and stuck with it and transformed it into the started on and things to take off. now it's a dream come true to be able to lead almost a quarter of million people in becoming that responsibly armed citizen stand up and g to be in front of their family when

they need it. schmidt with us for just a few more minutes. you can check them out on uscca.r at steve, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span, i'm so grateful for the outstanding you provide.hat -- you're quite welcome. your guest mentioned that there s an emotional or knee-jerk reaction when fatal tragedies happen involving gun violence, as sandy hook and the las paddock oter, stephen and south carolina, i'd like to has had a r guest loved one directly affected by if his response would be so cavalier. also, i would like to point out independent study by the that bias dicated

amongst people of color in the nited states of america shows they are more likely to have result ofly shot as a an apparent thet or perception that they were armed and dangerous. look at the 12-year-old young in ohio, erican boy very tragic example. knowing interested in if your guest would have certain african americans who may be concealed carry threat olders and the they particularly face as being perceived as armed and dangerous? host: the question. -- well would be very stated and articulated question. i appear apologize if to be cavalier, i assure you, my eart aches at the horrible tragedy that happened in all the different situations you talked

about. that these y is "knee-jerk reactions" that i say, look at the result of the laws that get passed in response to these situations. know, nothing changes. all it does is create new laws. of the concealed carry situation with african can say, we l i have many african americans who and embers, our customers we teach them how to avoid prepared, ow to be how to put themselves in a situation so that they don't that is be a threat, what everyone, not just african americans, everyone needs to that. to do host: what are ways of doing that? well, one of the first ways is to get in the habit of living in condition yellow. when i say condition yellow, i'm referencing the cooper color system, condition whites the condition you are in, the lowest level of awareness, that

down theou are walking street, staring at your cell phone and completely oblivious surroundings. condition yellow, you have cell phone in your pocket, walking calm, looking around, to a perpetrator, bad last person the they want to mess with, they see it coming. for an al color codes actual real threat, that is a perfect example. ofckly, back to this concept every time there is a tragedy with a firearm, you know, it we hear is ike all how bad things happen with firearms. he fact of the matter is that one and a half million to 2-1/2 million times per year, firearms used by responsible americans to stop crimes, stop rapes, stop assault and stop murders. yes, firearms are powerful tools, they can be used for good used for bad, let's not forget, of the avoid s of people who crimes, avoid being raped, avoid

the killed because of unbelievably powerful firearm. host: tony is on the line for who have concealed carry permits, fort lauderdale, florida. go ahead. good morning. good morning. so much to say and so little time. real quickly, i have carried african and i'm an american in florida for over 30 years. wet like we have drivers ed, have gun safety, there is a way to conduct yourself in public you are armed. 've been stopped many times by cops for various reasons, never had a problem. now.is not my issue right my issue, i am radiccally pposed to national conceal carry. umber one, my state's rights, my tallahassee in florida sets standards for my state. have reciprocity with 38

states through mutual agreement. want my rights centralized in washington, d.c., where nancy pelosi could come in and take away my rights. eave my rights in the state of florida. you are doing a fine job for me i've lived here, i on't want my rights nationalized. let's stop making these laws in emotion. to the programmers want us make law on emotional basis what we think, that is conmen do, don't think. do something now, let's get the and make law fist we have to that will make a difference. day. a blessed host: tony, thanks for the call. guest: those are two amazing reverse order.do i've personally believe that so concept of national reciprocity is not creating a concealed carry permit, it is simply saying stathe state

states.ognize other so the only states' rights that look, when ging on, people come to visit your state, have you to recognize their permit, same y with drivers licenses, i'm opposed to a national conceal because the caller is right, nancy pelosi would eventually get rid of that and want that. great question. host: last call, john in statesville, north carolina. republican. go ahead. caller: yeah, tim, right? go ahead, john. caller: okay. anything oes it cost to join your organization? what is the deal on that? open concealed carry and carry in north carolina, plus i permit. my worry is certain situations happen to me, es i accidently bumped my brake a in front of another guy and he gets out and starts

me.ning toward i took off, but we do have to north our ground laws in carolina. i took off to avoid the situation. happens if i -- if my car wouldn't crank or something just started beating the window or something. scared i'm s, i'm going to get sued or the law will charge me for protecting situation like that. so.: last minute or guest: yep, that's a great, great question. of a good point and so one the first things i explain to people that decide to go armed lifestyle is that ou have to take your level of calmness, aggression to a low level. luxury of have the getting into a road rage situation because you have a gun huge ou, that is a responsibility. if you find yourself in a situation where you are forced

rage thing, obviously that can happen and if someone is charging your the first thing that you want to do, like you did properly, you want to get out of there. you want to avoid, escape. if you can't, you state in your only use that gun if you are in fear for your life. i would, again, if you follow the principles of avoidance, 99 times out of 100, you won't need to use your gun, especially if are vigilant about keeping level of frustration low, a benefit, you have responsibility to be a better human being, a wonderful thing.

guest: you're welcome, thank you guys. host: that's going to do it for "washington journal" today, but we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific. in the meantime, have a great friday. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> the u.s. economy lost 33,000 jobs in september, the first month of job losses in the united states in six years. the associated press attributes the job losses to recent hurricanes, writing, "last was from huge losses in restaurants and bars, a sign of the damage to florida's tourism industry."

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