>> shame, shame, shame. brian: they are saying that the aclu protects. allison: they need to be educated. when you see 18 and 21 euros doing stuff -- are those students or activists? on,have two things going dudes that are 18 and 21 years old, their learning and growing. they don't have a real historical sense. they can make things that -- statements like that and they had no historical context. they understand how this operates and for me, my job as an educator is helping them have that context, not to tell them to think a different way but to have -- to say look out extremist actions or violent actions have played out in history, have you ever led to the things you want to see realized? once you become educated, you realize the role of unintended consequences and you realize that most of the great

breakthroughs come from nonviolent actions. you can tell people that, they have to own it and learned for themselves. you can keep asking them questions so they can arrive at some of those conclusions on their own. views, they student need to be educated, the activist piece, that is a horrible thing. the black lives matter movement is a diverse movement and you can have some extremists speaking out and people decide the whole movement is about that. you even had direct evidence of russian meddling to try to paint black lives matter that way. we all have to be critical thinkers and say -- question the reality that is presented to us in the media. the best way to do that is to speak to people in that -- black lives matter. talk to your neighbor. that is when you realize what people think and feel. june, senator

grassley had a hearing and interestingly enough, after the william and mary thing, this dude that testified was zachary would. he was at williams college and he says he is a liberal democrat and here is what he says about the whole student issue. >> i identify as a liberal democrat who supports many progressive causes. yet, i adamantly believe that students should be encouraged to engage with people and ideas that they really disagree with. at williams, the administration promotes tolerance often at the expense of political tolerance. cannotime at williams, i name a single conservative speaker that has been brought to campus by the administration. in classrooms, liberal argument are often treated as unquestionable truth. in some cases, conservative

students even feel the need to refrain from stating their opinion in fear of being shut down. i appreciate the desire of my administration to ensure that all students on campus feel included yet i do for the state of free speech and intellectual freedom on my college cap is. >> a big liberal arts school of massachusetts. allison: that is a wise and articulate young man. i think it is great you are showing this clip. it allows me to say that i have -- you can't paint with a broad brush what student color -- students of color field. you have some that want to shut down charles murray and on the other hand we have something my office saying this is horrible. i don't agree with this but if i speak out i am being seen as a trader to my people. nobody wants to be that. that is a toxic environment that needs to be changed. brian: trader to what people? allison: they make them feel as

an oreo.ey are somehow black on the outside, white on the inside and that is bad. you should not be undermining the cause bring about justice -- let'san-americans be honest, this is america's original sin, we have a lot of work to do in that realm. it is a real debate about how you bring about the change you want to see. it is unfortunate that there are some very smart people who have said that their giving up on america. i would never give up on america. for all of its flaws, if you look at the judge agreed -- the trajectory, it is the story of gradual progress to make those ideals. a reality. it is that great unfinished

symphony -- that is from the closing lines of hamilton. we have a lot of work to do and this is definitely a beautiful thing and there aren't a lot of symphonies out there in the world. what i want to say to my radical student is ok, this is wrong and this is wrong. what would you propose as an alternative to the rule of law and the american constitution? that is where it gets tricky and challenging. of the ongoing attempt to change things, johns $150ns university just got million in a grant to this -- the silicate discourse from the -- york foundation .o facilitate discourse

what can we do to facilitate the discussion about open dialogue? inison: we can bring speakers and outside thinkers that can help you to parse these difficult issues. to me this is a matter of individual responsibility. encourage open and inclusive dialogue, we can all model the behavior we want to see. that is another way of saying -- stop believing that ad hominem attacks stop an argument. that is what we see on television today. in our discourse are these artisan labels. you have to think that way or you are cast out of the tribe. i want people to think for themselves. i wanted to challenge those labels. that is particularly important to me in a big data world. electionit, this last in the brain's election, that

was very much the creation of the clever manipulation of people. through brands like cambridge of milk -- can bridge -- cambridge analytica. determine weapons from social media and you can get people to vote that way. what is the antidote to that? don't be an outer them, be a human, think for yourself and then you can't be manipulated by your government or large technology companies or the russians for that matter. if we all think ourselves, we resolv -- we solve a lot of problems. allison: this is a think tank that is devoted to thinking through some of the challenges that america faces in the digital age. brian: what kind of a contract do you have with them?

limited to a year? allison: yes, i will be there for a year, i have a nice home and people to speak with. it is a wonderful place to be. brian: now that you have seen the world in washington, what is your take? >> i've seen it before. it performs a valuable function. thatnk what you can see is it has its limits. very much again as i was saying, there is a role for tentative academics to make a contribution to policy debates. i think we have this advantage that we are not bought by anyone. brian: did america foundation come to you or do -- did they say that we have a home for you for a year? >> i had plans that were changed. i was supposed to finish one book and start another, i have not finished the book, my life

had all the pieces thrown up in the air. they were kind enough to give me a home when i decided to stay in washington for the year. >> any residual health problems you have as -- after all this time? >> a little bit, i have a couple muscles in my neck that misbehave. tohink i am almost back complete recovery. i'd like my brain is functioning to easily, there is a good feeling, i missed it. i is nice to be able to -- appeared here on time, i was having a lot of trouble back in spring about getting out the door on time. it was difficult for me. i am feeling strong and almost 100%. >> after that incident did anybody responsible for that comment apologize? >> no. i would like that. >> do know what was? >> i have some ideas. i wouldome ideas and not want to see anybody punished

or suspended or anything like that. i think it would be a very constructive thing for students who were involved in the shutting down of this speech that led to my injury to apologize. >> why would you not want to see someone punished? a i don't get to make distention, there are a number of layers to this. one, it disturbs me about what happened at middlebury. i think students were encouraged to do things that were not in their interest by some of the faculty, that upsets me, 18-21-year-olds are developing and they need to be advised in the right ways. allison: i think i will leave it at that.