live at noon, the house gavels in for general peeches. >> watch c-span this week as congress debates tax reform. the senate finance committee begins a review of its bill monday at 3:30 eastern. live coverage on c-span 3. get details about both bills at c-span.org/congress and listen to live coverage of tax reform using the free c-span radio app. >> this morning, reuters correspondent amanda becker looks at the status of tax reform efforts on capitol hill. then, lines for manufacturing scott paula

and american-made movie producer talk about the state of u.s. manufacturers. host: republicans in congress will be focus on text reform. before us expects to vote on its plan this week. the senate will markup their version. find more information at c-span.org. monitor it on c-span radio. debates 13, one of the on how the middle class will fare and that is who we want to hear from in our first hour, those of you consider yourself middle-class. what you think of this effort to change the tax code?

if you consider yourself middle-class and you want to get your thoughts on twitter -- facebook.so post on one of the debates is how do you define the class tackle -- define middle-class? iss is $59,000, as of 2016 the median income. that is a bit of an increase from last year. for those in the higher ranges, 78,000 in maryland. generally, that is the median income. if you could to cnnmoney, they have a poll like get aspects of middle-class when it comes to

income, saying, what he considers of middle-class will depend on income. how much the have to earn? one of the narrowest definitions limits it to those in the middle fifth of the income ladder. according to pew research's definition come that range would be from $46,000 to $140,000. guidelines.ly as are getting your thoughts on these tax reform efforts by the house and senate. bille to take up its tax and conference in the senate finance committee. you can see that on c-span. the house will vote later this week. politico takes a look at how that senate land might look to the middle-class. saying --

for those of you who considers of middle-class, here is your chance to let us know what you think about the competing tax bill. let's start with ralph in new

york. good morning. what do you think about these efforts when it comes to tax reform? caller: i am from upstate new york and i thank you for c-span. i see it as a new proposed 12% rate, it is too large of a bracket. it is not really fair, because families that earn $40,000 will be in the talk percent bracket. families up in $94,000 will be in the same tax rate. maybe it's just the brackets a little bit to make them fair. number two, it is not fair to larger families because they are eliminating -- that part of the plan, i don't think it's fair. host: from washington state, don. hello. caller: hi. thanks for having me on. i would echo a lot of what the

previous ralph said. basically, i took sunday to get a hold of the actual bill and read it and see what it is and it since it is important. host: the house bill? or the senate bill? caller: i don't believe there is a senate bill yet. but -- i didn't have time. is, basicallyt what they have done is they have initiated a flat regressive tax on the people who can least afford it, if you look at the brackets. they have diminished a progressive tax which we have always had a progressive tax since we began this and they diminished that other people who could most afforded. -- most afford it. if you end up with a taxable

less, you$30,000 or are going to be paying more. if you have a family, it is going to hurt you worse. that is something that is entirely unfair, entirely against this idea of tax reform. host: in your situation, in your the ways you would be affected? caller: based on what i made last year, and i should be about the same this year, and what i ended up as a taxable income, i will probably save -- i would probably get $500. someoneook up how much in the upper tax brackets will receive a break, it should be thousands to many thousands of dollars. that is very, very unfair to the middle-class. att: cleveland.com text look

what the central text changes accountan by taking to largest ended productions, elimination of -- child tax credit. family of four, income of $75,000 would be in camp -- an estimated $1711. family already takes $50,000 in itemized deductions, it was shrink by $300. the family would no longer be up to take those deductions. forcing a person making $50,000 and not itemizing, the savings would be $14,003 under the house plan. in oakland, california. go ahead. caller: i watched the ways and

means committee in the house, and it was a joke. this is really a scam on middle america. this is more huge tax breaks for the already rich who have gotten exponentially richer since 2008, and even more so. richest are the richest since 1928. what did you get from watching the house ways and means. obviously the republicans have an agenda to push through a huge tax breaks for the rich and corporations. it's like trickle-down something smattering of breaks for the middle-class. even in their bill, a lot of the

middle-class won't get a tax break or very little. when you compare, you are going to get $661 more but what about the guy who makes $10 million, he is going to get $661,000 in a tax break. the rich don't need a tax break. if you look at all of the deductions that corporations take, the effective corporate rate is about 18%. yet several corporations who --'t pay federal income tax you have several corporations who don't pay federal income tax. twitter, and analysis. again, if you want to post on twitter or you can call us on the phone lines.

the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin, was on cnn yesterday talking about the state of the tax-cut. efforts on the house and senate. the host asking specifically about these plans and what it would produce. here's that exchange. ,> if you look the tax-cut bill the percentage of the gross domestic product, it would be the eight largest. if you look at it dollar for dollar, it would be the third-largest. isn't it important to have actual debates when discussing these things? >> there's lots of different ways of looking at it. this a be the largest change since president rating -- president reagan. think about this. 20% inrom 35% to corporate taxes. if that is not the biggest tax cut to make our businesses competitive, what is?

it is going to be the lowest rate since the 1930's. >> you are making factual arguments that are different from what donald trump says. >> it is the biggest tax cut in history on every single part of the plan. going from 35% to 20%, we are going down to discounted rates. this is about bringing trillions of dollars back on shore and creating economic boom for our country. marilyn.'s hear from caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i am a middle-class taxpayer and mildred -- in new jersey. the republicans are going after the blue states. i read this week that wealthy individuals and corporations are hiding $9 trillion in taxes offshore. why aren't we going after that?

why are we going after medical expenses that people have? we are not going after where the money is. the time to give tax cuts to had aations is when we slow economy. the companies are doing very well. companies, from the how do you think you're going to be affected? jersey, new york, california and other blue states , and even the head of the senate has said this is no longer a guarantee for middle-class tax cuts. particularly in the blue states. what goes around comes around. if the republicans are done this to us, who knows what the democrats are going to do to the republicans. she references differences in the house and the some

versions. the times saying -- ask line -- the times saying -- one of the topics most likely to the up is the look -- is state and local taxes and what is to be done with them. you can watch that live are going to our c-span.org. find out how you can watch that for yourself. 3:00 this afternoon is one that

hearing is set to take place. bernie's in new york. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i was wondering and i think maybe -- i need to find out why it is that americans have to wait for trickle-down economics, instead of higher wages? is an higher wages the same -- isn't higher wages the same philosophy? and you get more money, you spend it? i don't understand why we have to wait for the rich to improve our lives. host: let's go to pennsylvania. jessica, good morning. caller: hello, how are you echo -- how are you? host: good, thank you. caller: a lot of unregulated

industries in our country, gas and utility can't -- utility companies, big pharma is out of suit. these are large-scale economies that contribute -- that receive the vast majority of our -- what is the word i want to use? they are highly funded. a lot of that money is going to israel. israel is number one in pharmaceuticals. why the tax plan is focusing so much on individual tax plans and not focused on closing these loopholes that allow these corporations to skip out on paying increased taxes? actually even creating the programs they need in order to recover from the addictions caused by pharmaceutical companies? comcast. host: thank you.

catherine, seattle, washington. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that we lately a mayoral race in seattle and the biggest subject. here in washington state, according to the local news, we have 100 billionaires in the state. i would ask the question, what is wrong with this picture? thank you. address what't you we are talking about, the emergence of the tax reform -- the versions of the tax reform. caller: the republicans are going to bring tax help to the middle income for the poor, they are a full.

-- they are a fool. host: why is that? catherine hanged up. jim off twitter saying, i don't know how we can cut taxes and do nothing to rein in spending. it doesn't bode well. the washington post looking at the plans say a number of republicans are pushing for change this increases based in part on a house provision expires after five years --

atlanta, georgia. we will hear from eric. hello. caller: hello i'm going to give you a few things. [indiscernible] after carter left office, -- ronald reagan raised taxes during his presidency. the national debt when he left office was $4.9 trillion. job -- this is what

happened, he granted amnesty for illegal people who were over here. they were already working. month, there was one million jobs created under ronald reagan. trickle-down does not work. he cut social security and look at what is happening now. he incarcerated millions of people. this is bad for the united states. he took real money into the industrial complex. host: will go to sharon in indiana. caller: i would like to make a comment for the people. tell them to get their taxes out from last year and compare it to what is going on now and they can learn a lot. host: such as what? and she hanged up.

if you fall in the working definition of middle-class and want to get your thoughts on your views of the republican and tax reform. the house working in open to pass the boat this week. the senate starting work today which can be seen on c-span and find out more and c-span.org. the new york times takes a look at the senate side, particularly in an interview that was done with mitch mcconnell on friday saying --

the story of the new york times also says -- he employs a more comprehensive view of the global economies dynamics. he says he finds --

all of that in the new york times analysis of these tax bills from washington state, this is a lane. caller: now are two points i want to make. under the house plan, the rich individuals are not getting a tax break. from what i understand, their tax percent is going to stay the same go up .7%. as far as something else, a lot of people don't understand that school which is the best cool for economics. he graduated in economics. he is in economics person. a lot of people don't understand that. they don't realize that he has

wanted to 61 iq which is one better than hillary clinton -- he has 161 iq which is one better than hillary clinton. host: you are saying his influence is going to be positive one. caller: i think he is coming at it from an economical want to presidential a political point of view. i don't know that he will approve this lag in implementing the employer deduction. i don't think he will go along with that. host: let's go to veronica. caller: my name is veronica allison from the atlanta. i wanted to say that when clinton left office, we had zero deficit. we got obama and he let everybody use everything in the world. now trump is a financial man, he has been to college. he turned him in dollars into $1 billion on his own. he is not using our tax dollars.

he cut all the riches -- to use airplanes. that is why so many are retiring. i think which give the man a chance before we put him down so much. when the days when we used to respect our president, even if he was an apple farmer. -- yourronica you thoughts. it'sr: i am hoping that the 1% who owns all this country. the 1%, the people that tell us what to do. my husband owns a small business. we are in trepidation for what is going to happen. i trust trump because i trust his brains. i trust his wisdom and his experience. host: you think the tax plans will help businesses like yours yucca -- like yours? caller: any help will be a big help.

host: let's hear from jerry in connecticut. formed my perspective is vividly that the 10th commandment, thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods is the last commandment but it is still morally binding. what i mean by that is, if some guy that pays 10 times the amount of taxes that i do get to bigger tax break than i do, it would be wrong for me to hate his guts. just like it is wrong to say somebody that drives a newer car come i hate them because they have more. what people have to stop and do and say is, am i getting a break? not is my neighbor getting a bigger break? your neighbor might be paying a heck of a lot more in taxes. the way i like to see his work

is due corporate tax record first -- tax reform first. the whole stock market running up was based on the corporate tax reform, not personal tax reform. to the personal tax reform second. we could work on what is in fact a fair tax cut for people. if some guy is paying 50 granted texas and i paying $5,000, if he gets a bigger dollar cut, i should not hate him. that is jerry. took a look at the house version of the plan and get is the on thinking on it. he wrote for the washington examiner. he said those making between $20,000 and 30,000 dollars a year would get a -- those making -- he goes$70,000,

on from there. this is not stopped many. the proof in this, the claim that the bubble rate which has been mistakenly called the new 46% tax bracket, the house gop bill did not create a new bracket. there is more of that in the op-ed. karen also twitter says -- for those of you who considers of middle-class, if you want to give your thoughts -- larry in alabama, go ahead. caller: hi.

regarding the effectiveness of the tax cut, i think we all know that is not to stimulate the economy. there's no question about that. that was determined a couple of hundred years ago with the birth of economics. as to the fairness of it, think we all knew the immigrants would say it was a tax cut for the rich. what is astounding to me is the power of the propaganda reflected in the people's comments on here. the media doesn't publish it much, the people are making above $20,000 are making the same tax rate and others are reduced rate, how much more clear does it have to be to clear up the propaganda from these people's heads who call in and say this is not a tax break for the middle class back up it is for the wealthy? see the chart.

talk about a power of propaganda. these people are brainwashed. host: we will hear next from keith. caller: i got to give you all the credit for handling with such aplomb on the subject. i really think the people who are looking at this as a tax cut are not really looking at it as proposed by both the senate and the house. my thinking is the rules are getting in the way of them actually trying to accomplish some kind of tax reform. we really need to reform. we have needed it for years. if there was anyway the two parties could get together, but they are not going to. but you have to look at is can we put together something that allows to go into operation, make it retroactive to the first of this year and allow these stupid senate rules and stupid

house rules that keep butting heads against each other, just throw them out the window. --t do what the reform outline gives you. that is really what is going to make the difference for you and me. host: the senate finance committee taking up its proposal today. that hearing at 3:00. watch during to that debate and they -- in the influence they will have. you can see that on c-span3 at 3:00. senator tim scott, a republican of south carolina best known as being the senate gop voice of , oncience on race relations tax policy he is sharing his own expenses to remote -- to promote the benefits.

the also highlight richard burr. senator mccaskill for missouri.

there is more there in that story. senators to watch during this debate. in california, justin. caller: good morning. thank you for doing this. at least i agree with the spirit, if not all the details of the tax plan. either than a high tax -- i live in a high-tech state. why should other states with lower taxes have to subsidize us ? i hear different arguments about people don't want their taxes to be higher, but i don't hear an argument based on logic or ethics as to why our taxes in california should be deducted? lowering thewith cap -- the corporate tax rate. if we are going to balance things, they be my taxes have to go up. the people votes to spend money on recent people to spend money and yet when it comes to taking a crowbar to our own pockets, we

have to say we have to tax and by the us. i'm willing to bet, darned a few of them have paid anything near 35% in their own tax rates. if we change corporations overseas, i don't think that is a smart strategy. a lot of debates going on in these two bills, how much does that equal out to in california? how much do you pay? a percent to 10%, usually. -- 8% to 10%, usually. property taxes can be pretty big . we voted that we did not want to have to -- they would restrict their taxes many years ago. my property taxes are much lower than my neighbor 100 yards to the east.

i pay about $1200 a year and bps over $7,000. i have a neighbor -- and he pays over $7,000. our taxes in california are kind of skewed and messed up. input.hanks for the this is john no caps on saying -- john in north carolina saying -- you'll see more of that discussion later on in that hearing in the senate finance committee. in tennessee, we will hear from ed. caller: good morning. just a couple of quick mentions. peopleginal propaganda were fox news it we had zero that after clinton. .e got into a war

bush got us into a war. when obama took over, we were 10 children dollars in debt. debt. trillion in host: what do you think of the current efforts on the house and senate? caller: we are at $20 trillion in debt and the government takes in $3 trillion in taxes and now they're expecting to have 85% a $1.5to achieve trillion addition to the debt, but if you break it down, $20 trillion in the government takes in three children dollars. owing but yet we are talking about cutting taxes. everybody should vote no. host: one of the people on sundays shows talking about these efforts, chris van hollen on the fox news network yesterday.

a competition with the host, chris wallace, about the republican plan. here's a bit of that exchange. got one last question and it has to do with this issue of corporations. the democratic line and i have heard from you and nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. this is a giveaway to the corporations. you have to agree that the u.s. corporate tax rate which is 85% which is no question -- which is 35% which is the highest in the world. what is 20 -- what is wrong with 20%? what is wrong with making us more competitive? won't it boost those corporations, boost jobs? effective u.s. corporate tax rate is much lower. some people put it around 20% because corporations take a lot of these reductions.

we could do corporate tax reform but we should do it anyway a dozen boost the national debt by $1.5 trillion is to ask millions of middle-class taxpayers to pay for it. about one third of stockholders are foreigners. you are asking middle-class reliefrs to finance tax for people who are foreign stockholders. operations in america are making a record profit. wages are pretty flat. this notion that somehow we've got to give another big tax break to corporations and it is going to go down and lift wages is disproven by what we are seeing right now. as you know, the ceos from around the country have been reporting that they are going to use that extra money for stock buybacks, so at the end of the day, this is a proposal where middle-class taxpayers and suburbs are going to be paying

for the tax cuts of the corporations. >> senator van hollen, thank you. it is always good to talk to you, sir. host: we will hear next from oscar. hi there. caller: good morning. i just wanted to agree the was the tax cuts for the corporate, they are going to go up to diversify their portfolio globally somewhere else. instead of investing that money back into the country and the people. versus the middle-class, that is all they can do. they can win -- they can't reinvested in the own communities. more comment for the lady that said that trump made it $1

billion from $1 million, just to remember that he went bankrupt for six times. host: go to stephen michigan. caller: i have a couple of comments. it is an giveaway to the rich .ecause it is hindering the emt the only thing that may trump pay taxes in 2005, he said $31 million in taxes -- he saved $31 million in taxes. they are trying to take away the estate tax, no. i don't know anybody that makes $4 million that would pay that. job.ea is a real con the republicans are telling you to go down works. it doesn't, it never has. economics 101 teaches that. host: for the next 20 minutes,

we will continue to take your calls. those of you who do find yourself as middle-class. we will show you some of the stories as we go along. postoore, the washington breaking the story initially saying --

you can see that story in the washington post today. pat in montana. go ahead. caller: i'd like to know what people consider a fair share, because you make a decent wage, and investor money and don't drink it or smoke it, does that mean these people use our rose more? our libraries more? public facilities more? if someone could explain to me what they consider fair share? host: why do you think that is an important explanation have? let's go to john in texas. hello. caller: hello it i fail to understand how people are willing to accept the fact that

senators and congressmen do not have to get together, do not have to make arrangements to work these issues out. i fail to understand why it cannot take six months or whatever is needed to workout agreements so that this issue is tackled correctly. i was in the financial services business in 1980. i have seen the economy suffered the effects of ronald reagan's tax cut, george w. bush is cut.ing -- bush's tax each time we get trillions in debt and then we have to go years to work18 down those deficits, and then we come out again having to face the same issue. what it does is it puts our economy in the tank, so that millions of people get laid off, the economy goes down, then it

takes a long time to build it back up. here we are in the same situation. host: can i ask you a question you go how would more time -- question? how would more time fixed that? most of the people who call in are sadly mistaken on what is -- on what the numbers are. the public needs to understand it. that is what more time will do. people don't want to face it that are for it. people that are against it don't understand the issues. it doesn't matter if the stock market goes down, people can sell out of the stock market and it gets the attention of the leaders. host: helen off of twitter says

the front page of the new york times takes a look at the elections last weekend in virginia and new jersey. talks about how redistricting could affect future elections. saying --

issa in herndon. hello. caller: good morning. going to talk about taxes. i love people remember since reagan, taisha: down economic tax cut did not work. bush gave 25%. it didn't work. the company ended up collapsed at the government had to come in and save it. don't forget that reagan waged a war on the middle class when he took the average income tax for three years, he did the interest deduction for the middle class,

the interest on credit cards and now they want to take the estate tax and the local tax and go after the mortgage, probably go after social security, probably go after medicare and then they say, the companies will keep the job. wages have been stagnant for the last 10 years and they are full of cash. they still, the wages are still stagnant. it is not going to happen. we still -- the corporate 20%anies are paying only with the loophole that they've got. then they tell us they are going to hire more people in the economy is going to grow. bill,will hear next from massachusetts. caller: the only thing i really have to say is i don't want to

get into pointing fingers at anybody. ,owever i am talking about people who are making the decisions, they know who they are. if they don't know, there is no hope in trying to change her mind. be thing is it seems to plenty of money kicking around but u.s. citizens can get a hold of and take care of things, folk some things like the horrible example of the water in flint, michigan and things like that. orisn't just the lower class middle-class. they are not going to get the things they are essential. host: kim is next in california.

should we cut taxes for everyone you go -- cut taxes for everyone? we should cut taxes for everyone , not just a middle-class. host: why should everyone get a tax cut? caller: why not? give every public employment -- employee a 99% pay cut. aren't we giving a guy named guzman money from the u.s. taxpayers to pay for islam schools in the united states? host: we'll go to bruce. caller: good morning to you. i would like to point out that when they say the tax cuts of reagan and bush didn't do anything and worsened the economy, go look it up. u.s..gov treasury. we took in treasury -- record amounts of money because he didn't have the congress.

that as far as making point, what do you think it makes about the overall topic of tax reform? i think everybody's uneducated about it. know what we are doing and talking points and you can get it hold of the final tax bill and see it. host: what do you think of the current text versions out there? caller: i like it. you are going to see tax cuts across the board. i had a small business before it went back to working in the trades. leave me, that money doesn't go down a rat hole to some foreigner. caller: what is it about on the personal income side that might hurt you? host: i am retired so it is not going to hurt me.

-- caller: i am retired so it is not going to hurt me. the newspapers are highlighting the president's trip to asia saying -- ask line -- asia saying --

president trump is expected to come back from his trip tomorrow and expected to make a statement. windy in michigan. caller: good morning. how are you? i'm calling about the new tax laws. they seem to have mentioned, are they trying to get us tonight itemize deductions anymore? they are try to take away our medical bills and our charitable deductions. i've heard that charities are worried that they're going to lose a big percentage of their money because people will not be able to deduct it anymore. with medical bills, i have a -- 91-year-oldey mother. they are not going to be able to deduct that. is there anyway that congress can look at that and say, we

better let those deductions stay? are they trying to take away itemizing? host: do you yourself do a lot of itemizing? caller: yes, i do. host: where do you save money in your itemizing? caller: charity and medical. those are the two biggies. host: state and local property taxes not a big factor? caller: i think it is. i know they're of the people who do a lot of charity donations and things like that, and that is going to hurt them or dissuade them from doing them. they will not give the amount that they have done in the past. host: the front page of usa today, this is a story from tom vander book followed up on a story.

work that in the pages of usa today. diana in wisconsin. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think this tax bill should be

broadened to a bipartisan conversation. public conversation, state conversation. this is huge. it hasn't been overhauled for a long time. to do away with state and local taxes is going to hurt everyone. in our state, he has already worked on this diligently. our governor. if they do away with that, he has to come up with the money from somewhere so he is going to itemsur regular taxes on and double tax them and he can if he wants to. that is what they are doing. this does need to be bipartisan and the public needs to know everything about what it means to them. not bits and pieces. not the little talking points

that they put out there to make it sound like it is really juicy and good for you. they need everybody on board. host: if more education is needed, specifically on what topic? caller: what do you mean? host: if more education on tax reform efforts that are going on is needed, what areas do you think it is needed on? caller: i will talk about wisconsin. the people in wisconsin are now school.or private in the public school are being diminished. the balance that has taken place over the years this governor has guessing,fice -- i'm based on religious and racial, we are now paying 60% to 70% toward the private school and the rest toward public school. this not something that we want

to do. even want to center kid to a private school, pay for it. the public should not have to pay for it. if they are going to do what they are going to do in washington, it is going to get worse. our public schools might as well kiss their butts goodbye. host: that is diana in wisconsin. mark on twitter saying -- you can post on twitter or on our facebook page. for the next couple of minutes, you can call us. franklin, massachusetts. go ahead. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i am curious about why couldn't we just leave the tax plan at

35%? and close all the loopholes and give the tax breaks to the low income, under $1 million and let them stimulate the economy? relative start their businesses? think thato you approach is best? caller: the people are known for using their money in the united states. get more stimulus going that way. host: ok. we will take one more call. 1000 oaks california. caller: yes, good morning. i am not knowledgeable about the overall tax plan to comment on how it impacts the net states. i can comment on how it -- the united states. i can comment on how it affects me. own my own home here in high tax california.

i don't have mortgage but i do have rate hikes. deductlonger be able to as per the new tax proposal. how much do you pay in those taxes every year? caller: i don't like to put out specific numbers, but let me put it this way, the itemized deductions are significantly more than the standard deduction under the current tax plan, but in the proposed tax plan, it would be the other way around and i will end up paying more. host: your message to congress would be to take the state and local property taxes into consideration, whatever the final legislation looks like? caller: that is correct. that assam, thousand oaks, california. -- that is sam, thousand oaks, california.

the forget on c-span3 is afternoon, at around 3:00, senate finance committee will markup -- or least start the process of marking up their version of the tax bill. go to c-span3, you can go to our website at c-span.org. you can monitor it during our c-span radio app. we will take a look at these efforts and continue on with them. workers --nda from from reuters takes a look at these. multiply how that will affect you. the conversation coming up next. later on, a conversation about the state of manufacturing in the united states with scott vittorio.incent washington journal continues after this.

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like backpage.com and a whole host of others that have been -- over the- sadly last handful of years, to make sure they cannot hide behind the medications decency act and its immunity. >> and it comes to sex trafficking, we have been told that a lot of this is encoded or language. -- encoded language. digested a website that identifies certain parts of code, language, ip addresses, emagin says and phone numbers that are known with sex traffickers to put that in a so servicessitory can scan against that and better identify the coded languages. watch "the communicators" tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. "> "washington journal continues. host: joining us now is amanda

becker with reuters. she looks at the house and senate as they work on tax reform. good morning. what would you describe is the major difference between the house and senate version? two.: i would point to one on the business and one on the individual. on the business side between the house and senate bill is that the senate would delay the corporate tax cuts. the centerpiece of the whole plan, what they say will encourage the economic growth that they are expecting to see. on the senateey side. on the individual side, the senate has said there posing to the statehe repeal and local tax deduction for income tax and property tax. a stickingready point in the house before they unveiled the bill because there are a lot of republicans from high income tax states like new .ersey, new york, california they were worried about that so

they decided to keep the part of the deal that caps off at $10,000. the senate totally repealing it -- no go for him. he does not support that. on those do you focus taxes? guest: it raises money. it would add $1.5 trillion to the deficit over the next decade and they cannot go beyond that. if it goes beyond that than it abides by the senate rules. deductionhe tax allows them to raise a lot of money. host: who would get the tax reduction or a break on taxes? who would get the increases? tesco it cuts tax rates for everyone. under the house bill, they leave the highest tax rate intact for the wealthiest americans.

in terms of whether you are going to get more money back or more money at the end of the year, it is individualized. it really depends on how you have been doing your taxes, what sort of deductions you already lowering the rates and doubling the standard deduction -- so getting rid of a lot of deductions that people use such as the state and local tax inductions. host: if you want to ask our ,uest questions, (202) 748-8000 democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, independent colors. make thoughts on twitter. amanda becker joining us. who said theyr wanted to eliminate the idea of itemizing altogether. guest: the house went a lot further in eliminating deductions and saying it will be double the standard deduction and then you will not need to i

domestic actions anymore. the senate allows you to keep some of them but it also mostly eliminates above the line deductions, the ones you can take even if you are taking the standard deduction. the idea is yes. that is how paul ryan has been selling the plan. we get rid of deductions but you pay less taxes anyway so it doesn't matter. host: that is the individual side. do talked about the corporate tax rate. remind viewers where it stands right now and how it could change? cutting fromuggest 35% down to 20%. a big deduction. they say one of the main reasons they are doing tax reform is because they say is this is have a hard time being competitive in the united states and we need to have a lower corporate rate. the senate plan suggests delaying that. host: does anybody pay the talk for a, really?

guest: very few. they also had to duction's on their side and ways to pay different rates. ast: we see the house taking vote on its version and the senate working on its version. when it comes to reconciling the two, what happens and what is the possibility when it comes to a final product? senate will start marking up and changing their version today and considering different ideas from mostly republican members because they control the senate and committee. the house is set to vote on theirs on thursday, as of now. they are still getting votes together, as far as i know. so we could see that shift a little bit depending on if they have the support they need. then, they say they will go to a conference committee which is a formal process to reconcile differences. the math in the senate is a lot

harder. 100 seats52 out of and they can only afford to lose the votes of two senators and rely on the vice president to pass legislation so they have to be worried. and there are already several concerns, mainly to do with the deficit. host: the final deadline or goal to get this accomplished is one? guest: the end of the year. trump said he wanted to see action before thanksgiving which is why we expect the house to vote this week. workingte will start there is not. when they will vote is unclear. they want this to go into effect next year. legislativeneed a win right now after trying and failing with health care several times going into next year's midterm elections. amanda becker is joining us. the first call for you comes in pennsylvania on

the democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i was wondering what happened to trump's campaign promises that we should all have $50,000 before taxes, if we are married, and 25 thousand dollars if we are single? on lessanybody live than that in today's age? thewhy are they taking away exemptions that we worked so hard for? allowed for we are the exemption for each one of us . and they want to take that away? that is wrong. can you answer why they want to take that away? is, get it andrm i can't speak to the promises he they haven't done this since 1986 and there is a reason. when you start cutting, you have to find ways to pay for it. getting rid of a lot of personal

exemptions will be a big deal for several people. kids, who have several say, they are getting rid of that. so even though you might have a lower tax rate, you could have a higher tax bill because you would be losing the exemption. host: as far as a single person, will they see drastic changes? depends on deductions, where you live, the state and taxes. don'td to do mine but i think i will be able to keep redoing it. a lot of people who are currently itemizing may find that they are not going to have a reason to anymore, especially if they completely repeal state and local tax inductions. host: from texas on the republican line. james is next. caller: good morning. my question is twofold.

this isseems to me that more of a bait and switch. they bade you with one thing and they take so much more way. the other thing is, i am a self-employed guy and i'm too old to go work for a corporation so i am stuck working for myself. last year, my deductions was $7,030 but the check i wrote to $6,306.was will this hurt me even more? because now i can't take my state deductions or my deductions on my taxes. right now i am self-insured. but i can't take my deductions on medical. it seems like this is going to hurt me, really bad. host: amanda becker, talk about the small business person. guest: they have provisions in here to give business owners a break. and one of the changes the house

committee was to create a new chunk of small business income which would be taxed at a lower rate in order to get small businesses on board. we saw the small-business lobby approved the bill after all. they supported it out of the committee after originally saying they couldn't. on thing they tried to do the house side that isn't in the senate bill is establish a new small businesses that are paying individual income tax rates from their business income. in a new propose that 25% rate, if you are a wealthy person and you are a business owner, you could be paying up to 39.6% on that business. 25%.proposed a new rate of the senate proposes doing it differently by allowing each portion of your business income from your individual business income that you are paying taxes on. they approach it a couple of different ways.

they're trying to provide targeted relief for small , in order to allow them to take advantage of the same tax rate. there will be changes and it will probably change between now and the end of the week. host: wisconsin is next, here is kathy. caller: good morning. i have a question regarding write-offs for corporations. we hear that these write-offs for the individuals are being eliminated. we hear that the tax rate is being cut for corporations by -- what write-offs are being eliminated for them because it seems like if their tax rate is still cut but they still have all of these write-offs then they want be paying much taxes.

guest: one thing democrats did criticize the past couple of weeks was the state and local tax deduction i have been talking about. businessserved on the side but not the individual side. so there are differences in how they are approaching businesses and individuals, in terms of getting new business income tax -- they are asking businesses to repatriate profits and pay a special tax rate on that. but i would say, in terms of the deductions, there are more changes that i've noticed on the individual side. explain how the repatriation works and what is the benefit by targeting those? -- tax jurisdictions. if you give them an incentive with a lower one-time rate in order to bring it back into the united states, it is a revenue raiser. and they have been looking for

ways to raise revenue to offset the other cuts. host: what is the type of rate in other countries compared to what the united states charges on businesses? guest: into various which is why you see tax shelters in different countries there tends to be -- countries. there tends to be businesses targeted in certain areas -- bermuda is one of them. host: here is skip in pennsylvania. caller: how're you doing? i am curious because they want to make all of these changes. in pennsylvania we just voted on something for a property school tax deduction, or just get it out of here but there want to raise the income tax and sales tax. i was talking to an attorney friend of mine the other day and he said that if they take my school tax and property tax away from my $1 million home, that is a big savings for me.

and he pays an increase on the state income tax. said, it is a and win-win-win for me but not for other people. i think what is going on in washington will be the same as pennsylvania. and they will put truck stop gambling, second in nevada with income from the gambling thing. and with a person like myself going onto medicaid next year, i can't understand it. wow. there is 400 pages in the pennsylvania thing. what is washington, 3000? guest: we haven't seen the .enate bill yet we have seen a detailed summary. we will get the actual text of

that. i don't know what the page number ended up being on the house side after they amended -- it is shorter than what you are mentioning in pennsylvania. but it is complicated stuff and every time you change one thing in one area, it has a ripple effect in another area that has to be adjusted. toi will expect the tax code remain collocated. host: from arkansas on the republican line, william. i stand to gain by the debt tax repeal. i guess i have to see my tax attorney and then i have to go talkshington, d.c. and face to face about the people in government there. this is the part i don't understand. they keep telling me that they will give me my money back but they will run up the deficit by up to $2 trillion in 10 years? that doesn't make sense. you are giving me my money back

but you are borrowing money to give my money back? highwhole deal stinks to you know what. host: go back to state tax, how does that affect you personally? caller: most people would say i am in the top 1%. i stand to inherit some money, quite a bit of money. and that is the only thing i see in this deal that will help me. but it doesn't make sense that they will give me my money back trillion. $2 host: you made that point. first of all, can you define what this is? how could it be changed? guest: it is different in the house and senate. the estate tax is a tax levied on the wealthiest assets and asset holders, when they pass it on to their heirs. $5 million in change, anything above that for an individual and

you double that for a couple or children. the house proposes to double the amount that would be exempt from the estate tax. over $10 million for an individual and double that for a married couple, and then phase that out entirely. the senate version proposes doubling that amount that would not be subject to tax but leaving it in place. so that is something that moderate republican senator susan collins asked for during the negotiation with the idea being that these are the wealthiest of the wealthy and we can't get rid of all the revenue raisers everywhere. we need to keep some of the money coming in. host: about the estate tax, the alternative minimum tax? can you explain how this is treated? guest: this is something -- it was eliminated.

see tweaks to we this over this week. in florida, you are on with amanda becker from reuters. hello amanda becker from reuters. thank you for being here. in the senate -- and i know it isn't finished yet -- that would benefit, mr. grassley who is a landowner but my question to you of-- i am in florida and all the people who call in and talk about issues regarding repealing or replacing or doing something with this tax dilemma with the state taxes and local taxes -- in florida, we have no state income tax. and what issues i have with that

is that we have an influx of people in florida coming here from new jersey and pennsylvania other places and that do have state income tax. their capital of that they get from reaping benefits from the income tax breaks that they receive and we end up paying a lot of the and go.when they come and we have had discussions in our house at about, why is this fair for them to go against this people in florida having to take up for all of the people in these blue states or purple states? not just income tax is affected by proposals for the state and income local tax reduction.

currently, people can did act even if you are in a state that doesn't have an income tax under tax,eduction for a sales so once again, the house version allows you to continue deducting the property tax cap at $10,000 a year and the senate would repeal that entirely so you wouldn't get any deductions for .he state and local income host: one of the selling points for the plan is that if they pass it on the corporate tax side, growth would happen. is there clear evidence in the past that growth has come from that? guest: no. that didn't happen in the past when they did this. and that is one of the sticking points. there are two assumptions here. it, they will pass can'tn to workers but you mandate that in any way. you can try to incentivize it at

you can't be sure that is going to happen. another thing, and this is what some senate republicans have already raised concerns about is the growth estimate and whether they are too conservative or two bullish. will the economy grow at the rate projected? --e of the tax writers say growth will make up for that. it is a static estimate and once the economy starts growing we will see an additional 1.5 trillion dollars from that. host: sarah in texas on the republican line. caller: thank you for talking to me. i think we need this tax reform. i would like to say something besides taxes -- i think the problem in the united states is

that republicans don't stick together. the president is trying to do a good job. trying -- it is time realizesakes up and this is that united states. host: thank you. the idea of sticking together on this. guest: in the house, a big point of division -- i know i keep coming back to the state and local tax reduction's but it is a sticking point. i expected to be a sticking point as they prepare to vote on the bill. if you are a republican from new jersey or new york or california or someone else hit by local , it'll be hard to go to constituents and say, i'm

sorry you lost the deduction. don't worry, it is mostly canceled out by a lower tax rate . i would expect that to be a sticking point in the house. we have already had workers say that they are really not ok with -- deficit this much? senator corker has announced he is retiring and he may not have as much of an incentive to deliver trump with a win as someone running for reelection. other senators have said that makes them nervous. host: how hands-on has trump been with the efforts? in asiae is traveling this week. he is physically removed. members of his administration have been meeting frequently with congress. soughtaid that trump has the senate version would be better. and members of the thatistration has said

they will find something that is not good for the middle class. middle class will pay higher taxes by 2027 under this plan. the joint committee in taxation has said 11 point 5 million households will see taxes rise betweenbut make $10,000-100 thousand dollars. so a lot of it will be whether they buy into the estimates. there isn't a hard definition of what is middle class in this country. so when they say they will not sign something that will hurt the middle class, where is the definition of the middle class? host: steve mnuchin was on yesterday talking about -- was on cnn, talking about what would happen if it goes through. here is a look.

>> middle-class voters who voted for president trump who will get a tax increase in this plan if it becomes law -- that is not what they were told by candidate trump would happen. >> it is not what he wants. as we go through both of these plans, the house, i expect, will pass their bill this week. the senate will end up in conference and we will fine-tune this. the problem is that the tax code is so complicated that everybody may take advantage of a different piece. we want to make this simple and fair. i am comfortable we will do that. ask are you comfortable saying that you want this to be fine-tuned and changed so any middle-class americans who would have their taxes increase -- which is a minority but it is a chunk of middle-class americans -- that he wanted fixed before trump signed it into law? >> there are slight differences between both bills. the good news is that the house,

senate and administration have the same objectives about middle income tax relief. fixing the business tax system so that we are competitive and the slight changes between both bills, i am confident we will iron out in conference. host: the secretary called them find changes. guest: i hate to make predictions about congress at this point, having covered the multiple health care votes, i have lost count. there is more than fine tuning that needs to be done at this point. they are not minor details that need to be ironed out. and local tax reduction alone is huge for a lot of people. it will be huge for a lot of the representatives in the house, in particular. there are significant

reconciling's that need to be done in twin what the house has presented and what the senate has presented and what the senate will end up with my the time the committee gets through with it. so i'm not ruling it out that it could get done by the end of the year but there is a lot of work to be done. host: let's go to gail in michigan on the independent line. caller: i have a question and comment. i'm wondering if they still love the head of household adduction for single parents out there? and i have a comment that -- i markup andg the bill i wondered why they wouldn't answer how they come up with the analysis for the tv ad of the average family of four. and i figured it out. and it is unsettling to me. they took the extra from the standard eduction and the child tax credit and the added them together and then they multiply

them by each of the four tax brackets. then they took those four numbers, divided by four and there is the magic $1100 that nobody can find. i have spent almost eight days trying to find the elusive average american family that will get this in a refund. , yout $1100 as a refund would have to be given at least almost $10,000 in additional reduction. so then i realized how tailored all of the republican statements are. and the average american family should really save the average of all american family should get this. guest: you have been doing numbercrunching. a lot of people have been doing numbercrunching. i actually try to redo my own taxes using the house proposals. the house did retain the head of household language so if you are

a nonmarried head of household, you will get that benefit. in terms of what you are talking about second, that is the criticism you're hearing from democrats. you know, they have chosen the ideal family when they have crafted this theoretical middle-class family to show the tax cut they would get. and they have chosen the ideal control for various things. if you chose a different family with a different set of circumstances who itemizes and takes advantage of a medical deduction and a state and local detection and has several children so they get exemptions for their spouse and independents, it could turn out a lot differently. that is one criticism you're hearing from democrats on the plan. at the ideal family there are talking about is actually the ideal family to illustrate the plan but it may not play out like that in the life.

host: from indiana on the democrat line, alan. caller: thank you for c-span and for taking my call. and question -- i saw steve mnuchin make the comment that this is trickle-down and he still believes it will work and were calling for history, i was around with ronald reagan and he made a huge tax cut for the recall,income and as i the country went into a two-year recession after that. and towards the end of the second year, ronald reagan made the biggest tax increase in the history of the country. he raised taxes 11 times while he was president. because nothing ever trickle-down and unemployment, for the first time it hit triple digits.

10.1, since the great depression. so i'm wondering, is this the same thing all over and we can expect the same results and we are just repeating it? i am not an economist and i cannot forecast where the economy will go in the next couple of years. you are correct that the trickle-down effect never materialized after the 1986 tax cut. that is something that you even have republicans worried about. on the senate side you have a few senators saying, you know, we can't expect economic growth to happen this fast to offset this. their plan reason delays the corporate tax cut one year. 1.5 trillion dollars is a lot of money to add. there is the, then question of -- if you delay the cut a year, will you get the projected growth that they are wanting and will you get it as quickly? host: what is the lobbying on

this effort, especially when it comes to state and local and how much is this playing out in the final product? guest: there is a lot of lobbying. paul ryan said as soon as we get it out there, they would start to try to preserve tax breaks. every interest has their own loophole or benefit that they want preserve right now. that is why you saw the home builders lobby, they really don't like the idea of doubling the standard eduction because they are worried that people would be incentivized to take it vantage of the home mortgage interest deduction and it could affect home sales. revealed --y fully if they fully repealed the property tax, that could affect value. is an ongoing process. they will still be calling and meeting with lawmakers about

this. this is not over until it is and by the house and senate sent to the president. host: let's go to jeff. caller: hello, pedro. it has been a while. 100% veteran. retired, living on retirement. that is my only taxable income. how is this supposed to affect me? i have a paid taxes in -- shoot -- 10 years? guest: for taxpayers right now who currently have no taxable is going tomuch change. you will not all of a sudden have taxes owed. but you also are not going to see much change the other way either.

dependent on the individual taxpayer. once this is written out, people need to meet with their tax preparers and the software that they normally use every year, you've to find out what is due. but it is my understanding that the taxpayer that doesn't owe taxes on their income right now will probably be about the same. host: one more call. steve from new mexico. caller: good morning. it is reported or i have read, that 70% of the tax paying population does not itemize. that leaves 30%. i can't believe that so many people who are complaining about the loss of property tax and state income tax would itemize at over $24,000. i consider myself to be upper but i don't itemize over $24,000 and i never have.

explainedever been and i think this young lady here , who said that they have not identified what is middle-class hit it on the head. is middle-class goes up to 250000 -- goes up to thousand dollars-three hundred thousand dollars, certainly there will be people hurt. thank you. guest: that is why there is a lot of geographic different on the itemization as it relates to state and local tax eduction. itemize, of people who state and local is why they itemize. that is why i itemize. i live in washington, d.c. and we pay relatively high taxes. new york,re living in new jersey, some areas of --nsylvania, it you see -- therenia, d.c.

could be a lot of geographic variation and across the income spectrum in terms of how worth it i do my thing is. but offsetting the percentage of people who do choose to itemize their taxes, that is a big reason why. host: tell me what you are looking out for specifically this week. out for will be looking any change to the state and local tax deduction as the senate marks up the bill. they also did not address something we haven't talked about yet, president trump's promised during the campaign to close the. trust loophole -- close the loophole that benefits wealthier financiers on wall street. it wasn't in the house bill. they partially closed it. it allows them to pay a lower .apital gains rate

the senate did not address this at all. you have heard he had a couple of republican senators say that will be one of the first changes they make. so i will expect to see something on that in the next couple of days. host: amanda becker is following that and she will continue to do so. coming up, we will talk about the state of manufacturing. from alliance for american manufacturing and vincent vittorio, producer of the "american-made movie." ♪

>> tonight on "the communicators" we will discuss legislation involving online sex trafficking. ,nd wagner talks about her bill the fight online sex trafficking act. and paul gevo discusses why his group prefers a different approach than the house and senate bill. >> actually, many different actors can be affected by the communications decency act. but what we are doing with my piece of legislation is to make sure that we are very narrowly going in and amending section 230 to make sure the congressional intent is clear when it comes to the issue of sex trafficking. now, a lot of the online internet actors and providers websites like backpage.com, and a whole host of others that have been blossoming, sadly, over the last

make sure years, to they cannot hide behind the communications decency act and their immunity. >> when it comes to sex trafficking, we have been told a lot of this is encoded language. so one of the things we suggested was something of a clearinghouse. a website or civil society identifies certain types of code or language or ip addresses or ml addresses or phone numbers known with sex traffickers, putting that in a central repository so services can scan against that to better identify the coded languages. >> watch "the communicators" tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2. directorhe program's of the miami book fair which takes place in downtown miami on

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american manufacturing and vincent vittorio, the producer of the "american made movie." movie.e bit about the what does it focus on? problem withis a people focusing on the relationship they have with manufacturing. -- a roleas to create they have as consumers. it takes you through three different companies that are making things in america and helps you understand the personal connection you have to it. host: if you have questions about the work of manufacturing and the state of it, (202) 748-8000, democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, independent callers. if you work in the manufacturing industry and want to give you -- and want to give your thoughts, (202) 748-8003.

let's see the trailer. >> u.s. steel manufacturing an ounce that they are closing. 100,000 workers. >> if you get rid of your manufacturing base then you have a domino effect. >> i always said our motto was, you dream it and we build it. saying, wesee a call lost the job. in thes that somebody united states, it is overseas. >> since 2000, we have lost 5.5 manufacturing jobs which has been the back bone that has caused incredible unemployment. >> what do i do now? i am nearly 50 years old. all i know is this. >> what the country is realizing now is that making things is important. >> one of the things that has always been great about america is americans. a gooding back to being

business that invests in your community. >> we understand why businesses offshore their production. we also understand that making things is critically important to the long-term country. >> we are making more sales, partnerships. ♪ knowing that we put shoes on a lot of people is something to be proud of. >> it is about believing in something. >> what if you fail? >> that isn't an option. host: there was a bit of the movie. scott paul, talk about the involvement you play in this? guest: we try to connect the idea of american manufacturing with policy. the movie is great because it points out that every president talks about his belief in american manufacturing and

wanting to make things in america but it really matters. manufacturing was the canary in the coal mine for the great recession. manufacturingll jobs -- what you saw in the movie was a prequel to some of the anger that used all play out in the last election. there are many communities who feel like they have been left behind. and that policy has left them behind as well. but this is something we know how to do. we know how to make things in this country. it is a core competency of the united states. and there are a lot of folks who want to do it, who are entrepreneurs or workers or who were holding on and realizing how important it is for their community. and they are fighting for that. they are fighting for a chance, aliving playing field -- level playing field and an opportunity.

the movie did a really good job of bringing stories from places you like to forget about -- the flow, detroit and elsewhere -- into the living rooms of people who might have lost touch. host: vincent vittorio, we can't hear all of the stories do what is one that sticks out? guest: new balance speakers. . am wearing some right now we have people in america who were making shoes. when you see people who take pride in putting these together and seeing a company and the new england area that is doing great things, it makes you feel like other people could be doing this. looking at the bottom line, trying to put things together with employing people in the communities and the ripple effect that it has. host: we talk about manufacturing, for people who work at new balance, do they

understand what happens in washington and how it affects them? guest: every decision being made has an impact. whether it is an and then to or another company or the tariffs whichre not put in place is causing harder competition for them. thoseeep a close eye and companies work with think tanks and nonprofits to make sure they are on the right side of the agenda and understanding how it will affect them in the future. , you speak and work with the heads of the companies. there is a split because they have heard this so often. there is a lot of politicians who say they will be there for manufacturing. and then went tough decisions have to be made, about trade policy or at the type of education system you have to provide a pipeline and

vocational education, it gets tougher. trade-offs.e so i think there are some folks out there in the manufacturing committee that have written washington off. saying there is nothing they can do that can make a difference. and i think there are others -- and new balance is a great example -- where trade policy matters. if tpp had gone into effect, it would have wiped out the last couple of mills. you can see that. -- thee the movie the movie was being made, we were bleeding manufacturing jobs but we have run a little more solid footing now. but what we lack at the rest of the world has is the manufacturing policy that puts that sector front and center of the economic policy. host: is the solid footing a natural occurrence or part of the decisions made by the

previous administration? auto: part of it was the industry. industry strong auto in part to the rescue. part of it is the economic recovery, we are not freefalling now. but even in an age of globalization and authorization, if we are given a chance, we can add manufacturing jobs. we know how to do things. i was just talking to someone who has brought back sleeping back production to alabama. so it is possible to do this but it takes a visionary entrepreneurs and it does take public policy that will give al gore folks a real chance, so that our workers aren't competing against $.20 an hour labor. besides sneakers, what other industries did you talk to? guest: we talked to viking

appliances which is now a publicly traded company so it is the same story but it does show the impact a local business owner can have with the community so it holds true for other companies out there who are doing things in america. and the third one is more andle, who is mark lost everything to business overseas but was able to bring it back. host: again, our guests are scott paul from the alliance of american manufacturing and the vincentn made movie," vittorio. -- youur the first guest are the first call for our guests. caller: i think there is a big it ising around about either tax burden or payroll.

i worked for a company in oceanside california, a large company that made power supplies and i asked the ceo what was the biggest burden and he said payroll. i also worked for the largest a tac plumbing company in las vegas and the ceo of that company said the same thing. i believe companies are moving overseas because of payroll, knox tax burdens. i would like your opinion. guest: a good question. every company is a little bit different. in some cases, energy costs are the primary cost driver. in others, labor costs. while our tax code isn't perfect, if you look at the overall tax burden of many of our companies, it is comparably lower. we have a different system where we don't have value added taxes. we don't tax imports coming in and we don't rebate exports

going out and that sets us apart from almost the rest of the industrialized world but the current tax debate doesn't address that at all. if you look at a lot of the costs with respect to labor and the loss of intellectual property and the fact that other countries -- i point out china -- have national government policies that they are trying to attract that kind of manufacturing and they are thating their own firms, takes the playing field away from our folks. so we are talking about a trade policy that is reciprocal. ensuring that we are not undercut by lower labor costs that are artificially low. and that generally, we have a fair chance to compete. because a lot of the folks that vincent talked about in the on a level playing field will be able to add jobs.

int: let's go to mike richmond, virginia. mike? let's go to donna. go ahead. caller, go ahead, please. caller: can you hear me? host: yes, go ahead. you are on, no ahead, please. i live in winston-salem but i am originally from flint, michigan. i worked in the auto industry in flint, michigan. can you he he? host: yes, you are on. caller: i want to say that i appreciate the guys that made this movie because michael moore's movie made an impact on the industry. there inrces that are those cities are being quickly torn down.

thathe buildings manufacturers could have easily come into and taken over, they are being destroyed. what do you have to say about that? host: vincent vittorio, anything relating to your film? seet: it is mind blowing to this amount of land and huge facilities that look like an apocalyptic religion. it is really sad. but at the same time, the infrastructure is there and restoring it and trying to do something with it could be worthwhile but it is hard when of are attracting a new leg manufacturing or growth of something to restore an area like that, specifically detroit. but the story does do a good job whatowing how -- of happened to detroit and how it could make a recovery but it

will never be what it was in the early days. days in california. on the independent line. caller: what is important in all of this is that when people buy something made in america, they look at the "made in america" tags. if you look at the tpp, they try to get the country of origin taken off and i think that is important so people can make a decision as to what is best for the country when buying products. host: scott paul? guest: i wholeheartedly agree. that transparency is important. and while price will also be a and how itwing where was produced can make a big difference and unfortunately, the caller is right. we are entering into some agreements that a road our ability to properly label food

products, as well as merchandise. so if you are shopping in person at a store, you can find the label, if you know where to look. you are shopping online, it can be extraordinarily difficult. it is very hard to find. there isn't a steady requirement that you have to do that. so i favor an upgrade in the laboring -- in the labeling laws. vincent vittorio, did you talk to those about the importance of what is being made overseas? what is the response? guest: definitely. we have -- looking at the way businesses work and the way we shop. he gets into the psychology of this. and it comes into the regularization of if something is made in america or overseas but you will pay more money for

it, consumers will report -- will support that. which is the theme of our movie. we have the ability to put the money behind what we believe in. and it isn't necessarily an american made products. it is the local community. or even seeing what is in our backyard and seeing that we can support it. it will take a long time to have the true impact but at the end of the day, if we have a company spending millions of dollars for a celebrity to endorse their product and they know that making things and america is as sexy as lebron james, companies will get behind that. and they will see that it isn't only a value to our country and community but it will help them have a competitive advantage. host: to the democrats line. go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span. whatan you profess

manufacturing -- when you have --r states that just lowered you have companies like walmart, a pizza company where the owner just bought a $15 million mansion and he doesn't pay his employees a livable wage where they are forced to get food stamps and subsidies from the government? how can you justify ceos or making tons more than what they used to make? they don't want to pay livable wage. do you know why? vietnam just doubled their fromle wage, they went $.50 an hour to one dollar an hour. host: thank you. kind of think that disparity is important. i would be remiss if i didn't

point out that in manufacturing, the wages for average workers are 20% higher than in the rest of the private sector so they foris actually a premium the manufacturing jobs. and you can find examples of excess ceo compensation but i think they are more prevalent in a lotnancial services and of companies in the united states realized that the way they will compete is not a race to the bottom. vietnam or eat bangladesh in wages. we don't want to do that. what if you invest in workers and invest in their skills, we will be more efficient and productive and stable. ultimately, that is an important factor. so manufacturing wages, this is particularly important for men and women who don't have a four year college degree -- it is one of the few remaining paths to

achieving the american dream. andhat is why both vincent i are such proponents of this sector in the economy because there really is no substitute. industry address the perhaps maybe the stereotype or belief higher dents with education are looking to go into ins that aren't specifically manufacturing, because they have their ectations that degree will earn them some kind employment d easement and also the filmmaker, did you run into any of these

issues when you were going hrough interviewing people and learning their stories? guest: michael in your home there's a w york, great example of this with p-tech, it was a partnership ibm and themed with school system, it started in brooklyn, one school. since then it expanded throughout the state to other tates and other countries, and it is really about connecting workforce development for kids at an earlier age. we go into the idea that kids finish high school, they're looking at what college they to, put all this investment in student debt, whatever it is, get this piece that piece of paper doesn't mean what it meant 15 or years ago. ultimately we have to be connected to workforce apprenticeships interning, doing things, that is he future of this, to get kids to realize that there are liveable wage necessary manufacturing, manufacturing dirty, it's a

much different world than it was before and we need to embrace as leaders in our communities and understanding the importance of education. paul, if that is true, what are wages we're talking choose trade schools or some other way besides college? possible, is steelworkers program, if you complete basically two years of post-high school education and a lot of that is hands-on trading welding or learning electrical circuits, you can salary at ting $70,000 which in these areas of very good is a family supporting wage. with ain, overall, something between a high school certificate, you're going to get a wage premium that is 20% better than of the private sector. it is worth pointing out, and '60s, the '50s kids go straight from high

school into manufacturing and could have a career in manufacturing with a pension. jobs are vanishing, if not gone altogether. additional an credential, but with that, yeah, you don't need four years of debt and you can provide for your family, cusave for a good nt, have healthcare plan, it is entirely possible to do that if we find pipelines, create them in high school and technical college and f we have a robust manufacturing environment, where we're adding jobs rather than seeing them go offshore. maine, he's in -- manufacturing. go ahead. caller: yes, thank god for c-span, i'm totally addicted. i wanted to talk about, retire 36 years ufacturing and it was a month, all drilled heads over those years,

safety, quality, schedule, cost. say we wanted to safely produce a quality product on lowest cost. i wonder if the panelist can portray t how metrics it to other organizations, congress? uest: you know, toyota really started that model and i think that it was replicated and efined into something that really helped to start the tocept through manufacturing the distribution of something. you're right, you know, those things, keeping it safe, being slim in manufacturing to make sure the e not wasteful with product and helping to reach consumer with a quality product, something america always looked great at. it isand i talked before, important that outside of just helping people in our country, have this idea, the brand, what it means to make thing

necessary america. balance, an example, a lot of shoes overseas made in for ca, there is demand american-made shoes, which is mind blowing to me. anything to add? would add, i don't know hat will get congress to change. we've tried a couple different ways and we've been unsuccessful. alliance, we work with labor and business and floor,imes on the factory there can be differences, as you know and others know, you have managementon between and workers, you can get a lot of stuff done and i think istening to their voice is important. when we go into offices, we can have a corporate c.e.o., labor president, and they -- it defys stereotype and we're able progress that way. that might show, at least a green shoot of hope on how to more things done. host: the debate over the tax bill in the house and senate of holding off

corporate tax rate on the senate side, what is impact on the ndustry, particularly manufacturing? guest: i think everybody is trying to figure out what the for their individual enterprise. i do think this, you have to debt we're amount of going to incur as a society because if you're adding trillions of dollars of debt, have you to borrow it and china has been a big financier and helps to create imbalances hat we have, versus having a competitive tax structure. these are difficult issues, i don't pretend to know all the answers. as we move forward, i hope that going, e debate gets those are some guard rails that are in place, we have a code, but one x that will not saddle us with exceptional amount of debt. while the president oversees the trade of balance between china and the united not s, the president necessarily blaming china, what is your reaction? uest: i was shocked, actually, quite shocked.

it was pandering to your he ence there, i think should have done a much better job being more direct about how dissatisfied we are with the trade relationship with china, with the theft of with ectual property, engagement of beijing and their economy, state capitalism. we have private sector firms all over the united states trying to compete against the chinese government. if you say, i don't blame you nd there were no policy concessions that were made on this entire trip. stunning from a president wo said he will reform trade policy and shake things up. putting rhetoric aside, you have to deliver results and there haven't been any there. deeply frustrating, i know to me and the folks -- ost: i saw you shaking your head, you want to weigh in? guest: no, it is just isappointing, without being political, you want behind any policy moving, but do what you say you are going to do. ultimately, if you're talking

negatively about some policy and happening and you are there and not trying to, you now, address those things, we've got a problem and it's disheartening, i hope thing consist change in the future, trying to be optimistic, but it is not looking good when it that. o host: darline, who work necessary manufacturing, in michigan. hi, darline. hi, good morning, everyone. thank you for taking my call. husband that my manufacturing.in as nafta was passed, we went jobugh from then to now, 14 changes. take these ob to jobs overseas and do the quality control part of it and, you know, we saw first hand every time he came back and got a new it was for less money and less benefits. 68, he's still working,

making two-thirds of what he make, with no benefits and it's been really hard. hurts america, nobody really talks, what does to ake for a family actually -- what's a living a car, ere you can have two cars, both people working, retirement, you can ave for college, have good vacation, one vacation for a week a year, you know, nobody's what that magic number is and i know it varies between like new york and michigan, but there is still -- you know, i still see we're going down because people into manufacturing are happy to get $15 an hour job. you. thank i imagine those stories played out for those you interviewed for your film? definitely. i think it's hard to realize

what a liveable wage means now before. it was i think it is also back to what i said about how manufacturing has changed. much more automated, takes many eople to do things, that, revious, on top of the technology requires where you are not just learning a skill and moving on, the skill has to continually be followed up on to be prepared for the way the technology is changingthat, the technology requires where you are not just learning a skill and -- how you're manufacturing is changing. with that being said to liveable i don't have know, a good answer. i think scott would, we definitely experience people like still in the manufacturing sector, it's harder and the job has changed, they're finding a way to make it work. ost: carry on with automattion automtion is facing. highly autories are

mated. if you are looking at primary job r of manufacturing losses, it is not automation, it chinese import, slow growth in the united tates, we've been able to absorb automation through new product development, growing arket share and that is where we run into trouble. our share of global exports, came on to the scene is down 13% to 9%, that is growthble impact, slower over the last 15 years than prior to that. confident and i don't know workers who are terrified of automation, this, is going to happen, will i have skills that deal with e able to robotics and more types of aughtonomous equipment? that is important to them. will my government fight for market share? policy that will allow that? someone will would the aughtonomous vehicle, the

robots, someone will build man mars, i want it to be us. it is not a question about automation what are the economic there?es to get us that is where we've been short in the debate. line, ted, at's hello. caller: heado there, pedro. i would like to ask scott, one two.e first things, i have on manufacturers that are coming you peel back en the labels on the drugs, they're china made in india or and, you know, they keep pushing america ufactured in and stuff, but in reality, most comes out ofaterial other countries that make our drugs and we have no control it, what do you think as manufacturers? concerned about drug imports. i don't think, again, we need a of tariffs or those types

of boundaries across our ountry, but i think it is important to understand what some implications are. are they tested? are they wholesome? had an incident from china ith tainted heparin that resulted in a number of deaths in the united states. what kind of safeguards are there? about market share. china controls almost all vitamin c, is that, you know, present some risk? are questionshese explore and they are important. consumers have a right to know products are being manufactured because that may decision about whether to choose one item or the next and it is not something ur lawmakers have explored enough. host: here is william in massachusetts. hi, he works in the industry.ing caller: hi, my name is william. own a manufacturing company and one of the issues that we're

have molds in i numerous factories throughout the united states and i'm same story from work ion molders that i with, because most of them are maller, we're dealing with health insurance and how it's pay for health insurance when you only have six or eight employees. have almost everything made in the united states and that has given me a little bit of a up. the other issue that we're having to deal with is the that e-commerce is having injectionness, in the molding business for the fishing lure industry. hoping you could comment about trying to help small 8 ufacturers like myself and or 10 manufacturers where i own molds deal with health insurance we compete against

he chinese, which are pushing us pretty hard, but they always say steel sharpens steel, able to survive. host: caller, thanks. what i said earlier about branding. i think that most fishing would buy that american made item over the one i t is made in china and think that is your answer for that side. speak about the health care side. aking it here will excite people more. guest: with respect to health care, it could be a big cost for employers and so how do you keep you provide aw do competitive benefits package time of employment, a lot of competition for the worker. of folks o me a lot need to provide something and how to understand widening scope global context.

every competitor of the united states has a national health are system and the costs born by society at large and not by the employers. making the argument we need to go to single payer, but important to understand the difference in cost structure compared to almost all global haven't come d we to grips with that and haven't een a big enough part of the debate? vincent vittorio, "american made movie," americanmademovie.com, is the website. we are also joined by scott paul american nce for manufacturing. he serves as the president. ou served on the president's council, why did you leave the council and do you regret the decision? regret the 't decision, it was the right decision to make. honored to be part of the council, we did important work apprenticeships. i have policy disagreements with the administration on climate, refugee ban, but in the wake

of charlottesville, i thought response was s completely inadequate and the right thing to do and i think was a case where some of leaders ry corporate i'm an associate leader, need to leadership and i think it benefited us. host: as far as current administration, particularly comes to manufacturing, what do you think they are doing well and what can they improve upon? things i think they are doing well, there have been a number of trade efforts that launched. i mean, none of them have landed and i think that is a challenge. are he fact you re-examining nafta to improve it for workers in the united that you're act looking at initiating more cases for a level look playing field, particularly in products like steel and those are good things, none have landed yet, which is my concern. the fact that they're

still talking about infrastructure bill. lot nk we need to move a more rapidly to an infrastructure bill. that is going to be very for american manufacturing. some energy policy has certainly benefited manufacturing, but like most administrations, i rhetoric on this, there is a big gap between what as been accomplished and where the rhetoric has been. i think there needs to be much the work done on getting right kind of policies. host: let's go to phil, indianapolis, indiana. good morning. caller: yeah. good morning. education, our children through the midwest and see decadence, there general and all this china dumping stores unemployed people

standing around and drug abuse, i don't have to explain that. enough through and i know what washington is about. globalists, s and this isn't tin foil stuff, it but we know hile, is a lot nited states different, you have coastal and s and the lobbyists people that engineered dodd-frank. entrepreneur, you would ask a high school senior today, what and is he an ntrepreneur under socialism or capitalism? host: thank, caller. guest: back to the example from caller is fromhe there. a company made bearings to help go, you don't see them bearing, no one buys a vincent doesn't buy a bearing, they are important in manufacturing. the company was a company that

president trump tweeted about, he won the time election to the time he took office. workers, laying off sending them to mexico and that was wrong. but it is a case study in all incentive. the company is owned by a private equity company, it return for the shareholders, it was making a indianapolis. it wasn't that it wasn't profitable, they could make more by moving to mexico and paying workers less money. he fate of the workers in indianapolis, who have been laid off, reminds me of the other her husband is working at the age of 68, that is their fate unfortunately. of the anger and the despair you see in the isted states today and there not that conversation, taking place in washington, d.c. separated from what is happening in the country. things may get worse before they better and i'm deeply afraid

of that, unless we get at the core issues. know, i continuing goes back to the education thing i mentioned earlier. this film has been put in middle high schools, the reason why, it is about engaging kids, exciting them of the story manufacturing could be and getting them to ask questions. indoctrinated into the idea that the degree will take us and not what is the job i want. four ow, i ask, i have kids of my own and i ask, what do you want to be when you grow sometime its is less of, let it be that thing that we basketballastronaut, player, but getting real with it mean inking what does it to say what is my education, hobbies, the things i explore, what does that mean to the end result of the work force? kentucky, republican line, richard, hello. doing today?ou i'm secht years old, sir, i

years truck for 35 cross the nation, the toys, shoes and clothes. watch great company kodak, be wiped out by fuji film. america is not really giving the truth. a go to walmart and buy shirt for $7, the man that used public he shirt is on housing and welfare, it probably cost $30 of tax money. losing that sight. you know, there is nothing -- i to scores today looking around and everything today is made in china. say we're going to give you money to get the economy going, fault, i tell people, work in steel plant, your job is next, they will never close down steel plants or factories, they close down everything for a

profit. host: thank you. point. i think ultimately it is the ublicly traded and private company because publicly traded company is all about that profit because they're appealing to shareholders, trying to make an make the ow they can best product, get to the market place at lowest cost. company, it is different, you can get someone ho has heart that understands community, the ome way to fix that privately held company with staying here or seeing value is getting consumers to come out and value what has that tag that looking atn america, that label, paying more careful attention to that. on it. my two cents host: one more call, betty in pennsylvania, democrat's line. good morning. the war on ask you, that ment and how has

affected the lack of policy for manufacturing? host: when you say war on mean?ment, what do you caller: well, since the last 50 our we've been attacking institutio institutions. government isbig, big n. reali a lot ity, we can't do without government. we wouldn't be where we are now without strong central government. host: betty, thank you. mr. paul. unleashed the historian in me. the founder of american manufacturing was alexander been newsworthy for a lot of other reasons over the last couple years. wrote the first policy in 1791, part tofs look at the economy we wanted, rather than we had, egrerian, lantation slave-based, not manufacturing, and hamilton and washington were like, we need to going toitive if we're be a growing nation, we need manufacturing. government policy,

tariffs at the time, internal mprovement, infrastructure, attracting people to manufacturing cities. patterson, new jersey was the 1790s and in today we've lost sight of that, right, we've had a manufacturing strategy up to and through world war ii. didn't have a lot of competition in the '50s and '60s, we have a lot of our policy hasn't adapted to that. it doesn't mean government manufacturing, it means and shing the beauty ingenutishgs y of workers, we investment, we need education and training policy, a better trade policy. we need to buy american and we good tax system. we can be competitive on the global stage, you are right manufacturing strategy some aybe a bad word for

folks but it is something leader necessary both parties embraced for a long time. votersit has support for and probably a lot of folks vincent talked to in the movie, as well. definitely. as a story teller, i'm helping of questions a lot we don't understand and i think y having emotional connection to see people making sneakers in he new england area for new balance or by understanding the impact that a leader in greenwood, mississippi, had by his community to mark andle, a great example of what people can do by embracing and how de in america th -- congress day in and day out, about staying optimistic up for what we believe in, purchase power, what by supporting d

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melissa cord writing nationwide, new student enrollment by students at u.s. universities fell 3.3% in the before, from the year the first decline in a decade, overall international student by 3.4% to 1.8 million, a record high, but gain since 2009. the data released today by onprofit institute for international education portends challenges for u.s. schools of fited from influx international students, many institutions have grown reliant on steady stream of students countries to counter high state funding and discounts hat are the norm for local students. first call on open phones from st. paul, north minnesota, anthony, go ahead. caller: hi, pedro. hat i want to talk about is this tax deal and how it is like from what i understand, a dollars. a thousand dollars isn't really anything and we're sitting there giving all this

money to rich people. to an, poor people need understand these people don't give a darn about us. a real big i have problem with is christians guns and o talk about not wanting people to be on food stamps. in america should ever be hungry. thank you, guys, have a good day. from east hampton, connecticut, independent line. jay, good morning. caller: hi, pedro. comment is about manufacturing. apprenticeshipsf nd industrial training and and one of theng with t problems i see

citizens ing is united. come up ey possibly has adea that corporation soul is the same as a person? has a feeling for anything? other than moaney. you relate that to the state of manufacture something is ma what that does -- host: you there? caller: yeah. and kes manufacturing corporations have the power to spo washington and make policies that are totally america has ay

traditionally felt. int: okay, let's go to brian michigan, on our independent line. hi, brian. caller: hi, pedro. good morning. amazes me over the -- especially over the past year, but going at least a decade, we've been trying to get the better for ions with russia obvious reasons, in fact, as taxpayers we spend a lot of it.ey doing now we have a guy that's politician, a a populist, if you want to call it, i find it thrill nothing we have a real merely talkingst with russia. one could conclude tis okay to uranium, we haven't figured selling enriched uranium, all the products aren't natural to our continent, we haven'ted learned the price, are we have to up that

sell uranium? we can go ahead and physically uranium, we can't talk to russians at the wrong time. that seems -- it is beyond the pail. it, that we're at this point that we can sell ranium, but we just can't talk to the russians, i don't know where we're going with this. staten island, new york, republican line, beverly, hi. caller: hi. wanted to -- so sorry i missed the gentleman, i wanted broaden the discussion to we could do that has worked, a solution. the very broad sense, not , but in everyring sense of the word, from shopping mortgages, how do people in the '50s, before reliance on thea

government breast feeding people refuse to look at consequences of their own america not telling he truth on themselves, not laming the congress -- physically lazy to where you onstantly want more and more service, now you have something in your home that you talk to coffee makers, make phone calls, so the broader pedro.n is this, how do the person for an was not a pilot, making $75 or $85 a week manage a wife at home, three mortgage, a car and ience, a week vacation then a couple days vacation twice beside? caller.anks, ront page of tuscaloosa paper,

toomey of pennsylvania about roy moore's campaign. says roy moore should step aside because of allegations brought against him. couple opinion pieces this looking at roy moore. the washington times, roy oore's day in court, saying sometimes lynch mob gets a guilty man, nevertheless unspeakable evil. accusations against roy moore are sorted and serious, but so not hey are accusations, charges, he is entitled to his day in court, which will be 12th.er he replaced jeff sessions in the senate. editorial this morning saying proving the accusation is true will be difficult if proved at all. the early evidence, such as there is, seem to be class and i of he strating case said/she said, the incident was witnesses, ago, no republican leaders add qualifier, if true, almost as

afterthought, want to get on with the hanging. that is editors of the washington times this morning. pages of the he new york times this morning, it professorpiece by law ronald crotozenski, with the university of alabama. headline, yes, the g.o.p. can block roy moore. mr.rites that to the extent moore is entitled to defense senate could , initiate fitness proceedings to ascertain whether the ccusations against him are credible. it could suspend his swearing in after the investigative are concluded f. mr. moore chose to ignore them, the say he lacks the character and fitness to serve. r. moore, a former alabama supreme court chief justice, proceedings have been mendendez ed against

and-- john ensign of nevada o oregon facef oeg charges. howy, republican line. caller: thank you. been about six months. i agree with toomey on the last article. shout lly wanted to give out to some members of the branch, people power, name a few, senator rand paul, wish him a speedy recovery. i pretty much support all his bills, senator scott, senator lee, cruz, collins, maybe enator warren and senator booker, the congress, i like, usual, w, as representative nancy, my representative, remember dan. are also, also.

we, the people, are experiencing the as mattic years of presidency, i would say about 14 years now, some of the problems government besides he industrial complex, the concept that they want to brain wash us into thinking that peacetime presidents aren't presidents and our media want to brain wash us into thinking that the war on drugs being strong on nonviolent crime and victimless crime is communism or the word crime. veteran, an american system advocate, i may be and lib terian. glass ted repeal of spiegherks el. host: howard from philadelphia. one more thing about roy moore, ooking at the senate race between him and doug jones. recent polling, by emerson

by 10, a moore up poll released through the 11th f this month from jmcn analytics showing doug jones up by four. overall spread for real clear roy moore up by 2 points, recent polling in the race. alexandria, virginia. this is wolfgang, how are you, sir? i want to say one of the callers, he said that all you see in the stores today united states is made in china. well, the u.s. manufacturing is down. knows that. that is because the u.s. its try is not growing professional tradesmen. take an example from germany. 51% of german production is exported through because in hat is germany, you have a very basic apprenticeship program, three years, you have journeyman has to work three years before he's master exam ke the

in his profession. therefore, you compare this to are nited states, how tradesmen being trained? i continuing is inadequate. instance -- of america introduced apprenticeship workers so its own they grow their own professional tradesmen. i have to say, thank you, sir. host: wolfgang in alexandria. gretchen in new york, democrat's line. good morning. caller: thank you so much for taking my call. a ust want to make differentiation between a male and a man. males, womenore are know the difference between a real man and a male. pedro, you're a man. bye. host: from the "wall street bonus forhis morning, bankers on the upswing. this is tellis jones writing for years, me in four year-end bonuses for bankers are prior year,over the

according to johnson associates, incentive pay expected to rise according to the survey. average end to outearn american by many times boshgs nuses have been under pressure since the financial crisis, new compensation guidelines and banks broader jump in profitability. in part this year reflects how banks try to evolve. aiming costs like pay, to get bigger in more traditional parts of the advises on murder and arranging loans to people and businesses. debtrs who work on company and stock offerings are likely to get 15 to 20% more in incentive pay. chester, pennsylvania, republican line on this open hear from john. go ahead, john. caller: yeah. curious, in nobody has told haven't trump that we collected the high 35% corporate

stopped it in 2006. these companies leave in the meantime, paying and there is tax nobody talking about reinstating he corporate tax so they can reduce it by 40%. we need some financial eople looking at what they're talking about because there is no way they can come up with a and they can't figure out how budget for one year. juanitanconway, south carolina, good morning, you are independent phones, line. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span, thank you for taking my call. would like to traesz the roy moore issue. the young women who have come forward because i had a similar experience. 12 years old, it was in another state, where i lived at the time.

spending the night with an aunt and uncle, who i loved to spend time with. getting her hair done in a private home and my with her ped me off for her appointment. it was in a closed-off room, i sitting out front in the waiting room waiting for her. there were two older men in there. don't know how old they were, they both had gray hair, they i was 12.er to me, as one of the men pulled me to his groebing my breast. i was 12 years old at the time. proud of my developing figure and i was wearing a fairly tight sweater and this pulled me on his lap and continued groping me for a long time. and the other man said to him, let her alone, i think his name was bert. her alone, bert. it finally ended, i don't know opened or what, but i was so embarrassed and so blamed myself for

wearing a tight sweater. i did not tell my aunt about it i did not think i want her to think i was a bad girl. anybody about it until i was married for over 50 told my husband. i know where these girls are lot of rom, you carry a shame, you carry a lot of yourself. you don't want to be made to look like a bad person in front who know you and so i kept this to myself all those years. understand why these young women were reluctant to speak out until now. juanita, when you started telling your story, what was the reaction? caller: i never told it to anyone, but my husband. e was very understanding about it host: go ahead. a ler: he questioned me little, he said, why didn't you tell your aunt? think i want them to

was a bad girl. i enjoyed spending time with them, i was afraid they wouldn't back to their house. i suppose that is why i didn't parents, they may not have let me go there anymore and didn't get to go a lot of places. when i visited them, they were ily about 13 years older than was, they would take me to a movie or out for ice cream or i valued that. embarrassed and ashamed and i think i blame myself for wearing a tight off my to show developing figure. host: that is juanita, telling conway, south carolina. ellen is next, from georgia, democrat's line. ellen. caller: hello. host: you're on. caller: yes. was thinking about people that don't like our social security

our healthcare benefits. to have y don't like read y, but they ought to 29:14 and that ought to things.p a lot of 29:14. host: ellen in georgia this morning. president is overseas, tories in the pages of the "wall street journal," stories about naval exercise going on aboard uss ronald reagan. the u.s. forces join japanese in ilitary vessels, training combined operations that would enable them to stage large-scale offensives lock according to officials onboard the carrier ronald reagan. first three l, the carrier operation in the western pacific region since 2007, has

highlighted by president donald trump as warning to north korea, as countries continue to ramp up their program. were among major military assets, we hope we ever have to use and latest exchange, north korea, over eing called a war munger, the president on twitter criticized pyongyang personal insults against him. john in florida, republican line. john, go ahead. yeah.r: i've got -- already been paid cut, our veterans, infrastructure and health care. okay. denvert article from the post, 13 reasons illegal alien vacate america. billion [in

discernible] -- take money away illegal aliens collecting ll our tax money, americans, and they have enough money to pa pay. they can pay for the wall. host: the hill highlights in -- the bsite, story two monthsca, saying after democratic leaders struck a deal with the president to ermanently protect beneficiaries of the deferred action for childhood arrival, the ient futures are up in air. representative nancy pelosi and touted theck schumer deal in september, including border security, but not a wall the otection of daca and law, almost everyone in washington has weighed in. released set of principles that crossed every red line set by democrats on the

issue. toyed with and threatened the idea of shutting down the government unless the resolved. group of representatives led by dan newhouse called for congress act before the end of the ear to give relief to daca recipients and possibly all undocumented recipients brought to the country as children. are children at risk, i think it is important we address the prior to the end of year and not wait until march 5, the deadline of the program. is from charles, jasper, indiana, independent line. caller: yes. merica seems to buy so many products from china, everything in china.p is made china should back us as far as is concerned, we should have no concern about invading the u.s.

comment.y host: 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. "u.s.a. today" this morning, kelly, taking a look at members of the house committee, taking a look at russia and the influence elections, saying that democrats on the committee say the republican colleagues are the russian art investigation by refusing to issue or enforce subpoenas for that could prove whether witnesses are lying. "if we are not willing to force to give us the documents, we need to question them, not take them at their word and most worthy to be t taken at their word," swoe ll.tative eric known for bipartisanship, as ggled to remain unified investigates russian interference in the election and

between the usion trump campaign and russia. nelson, he is in missouri, on democrat's line. hi, nelson. caller: hi, pedro, how are you? you. well, thank caller: good. i want to speak about the tax congress rightre n now. i think one caller this morning about the reagan tax cut, how much it benefited the country. failed to say is that ronald reagan raised tax seven he was in sxofs took away a lot of deductions the regular citizens had to pay for tax cuts. nd as far as cutting tax, i don't think anybody tax should -- unless and until e pay back the money we owe social security, for example. once we get -- i think until we budget, nobody should get any tax cut at all nd then once we get everything

levelled off, then we can go back and look and see where we for example, the substances we give to big oil subsidies you can cut right now, but as far as cutting for the rich and the wealthy, i think that is a loser. vote on se expected to its tax bill possibly by thursday. taking up their bill today in the senate finance committee. that 3:00 thisor fternoon on c-span3 and on our radio app, and senator: radio go to c-span.org information. laguna hills, california, thomas, good morning. morning.good i have a question for your listeners. social security in 60% of the population in the united and you have 60 civil service. i think we should have one

civil service and social security should be one system then if retired people weren't driving a car 10 years old, that would make the united states grow much faster. listeners to understand we have two systems, we have civil service and we social security, why don't we have one? host: what do you think is the of one? caller: well, if we had one good one, instead of one civil you never heard anybody complain about civil service, about ople complaining social security. host: the front page of the "new ork times" takes a look at national security organization, association, the nsa, i'm sorry, potential ok at issues with that, saying jake april in a oke last hotel, leading a training session, checking twitter. cyber security effort was dismayed to discover thrust into he middle of one of the worst

security debacles of fallen intelligence. mr. williams written on the shadow blog about brokers, mysterious group that tools the ny packing united states use to spy on other countries. the group replied to him in twitter that n identified him correctly as former member of the national ecurity agency hacking group, tailored access operation or tao, a job he had not publicly brokers and shadow astonished him by dropping technical details that made knew about the hacking operation that he had conducted. there is more to the story when "new york times" website this morning. story.is the philip in oklahoma, thanks for phones, n open independent line, you're next. caller: yes, i'd like to comment of electing cess presidents nowadays. elected by e can be the popular vote.

think we should elect the president by popular vote, i on't think it is fair for the electorals to decide who is we g to be president, wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now. this is one of the biggest jokes a t i have ever seen in president, he's not presidential, he's a tee total idiot to me, i'm waiting to wake morning and find out that we are in a nuclear war, i think hat is where he's headed and i don't think with all of his past, that he should have ever the o run for president in first place and why do people go out and vote, they say go vote, vote, it does not count in a presidential election. "wall street journal" writes about off shoot of affordable care act, issues here, saying that the act required medicare to penalize hospitals with high number of failure patients return for treatment shortly after

discharge. penalty was s that associated with fewer readmission and higher rate of among the patient group. the researchers said in the of y result in the journal american medicine cardiology, show cause and effect, but the possibility" pen alt he unintended consequences and increased mortality in patients hospitalizeed with heart failure, that is "wall street journal," you can find it the business section this morning. in new to ann, ann is york, independent line. caller: yes, that is anne. the new to speak about tax plan, how that affects the ave and have-nots and worker necessary general. our country goes into debt $500 billion a year. revenue neutral tax plan, we need a tax plan that taxes people perhaps more, we can have a balanced

budget, nobody ever speaks about balance this budget and the way to do it, to tax the people who have more, thanks for the information age, we know fewer percentage of people with wealth than ever before. also in regard to the electoral hybrid system t an extra still get senator vote, but divide up the precin the -- into o either party so there is not a idea, we neede-all hybrid idea to this popular an , giving small states extra electoral vote for their count.r host: caller, in this idea of taxing those who make more, how do you tax them? caller: you tax them whatever it akes to balance the budget. i mean, the whole country is going

into debt. -- : do you think there is do you think there is enough there amongst wealthier people deficits this the country has? caller: absolutely. absolutely. if i em, i mean, i know don't pay my taxes, then they make me sell things in order to pay. t host: okay. that is anne in new york, last call for our program. way at ram comes your 7:00. see you then.

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when make sure it is clear it comes to the issue of right and whole host of others had been blossoming. they cannot hide behind the act and its immunity. >> when it comes to sex trafficking, we are told this is encoded language and harder to identify. it is one thing we suggested, a clearinghouse where if a web -- a civil site he identifies certain language or

ip addresses, emailer dresses, or phone numbers known with sex that in as, you for central repository so they can and bettert that identify coded language. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. next, a look at health care in the u.s. by the california association of physician groups. first, democratic advisers on the future of policy and remarks , this is about two hours. >> good morning. i hope you enjoyed the dinner night and are bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning. do i ha