i think the most important issue, along with the budget crisis, is medicaid expansion. a lot of states are also dealing with this issue. the decision to make the supreme medicaid optional has her kansas. money is being left on the table with medicaid expansion not happening in kansas. people have been waiting for over four years to be eligible to services. know of people may not this but kansas is one of the most restrictive states for eligibility. adults, no matter how much money they make, are not eligible. health care are further brought down into situations where they may not be economically mobile or be able to provide for their families. i think in general, health care is a right, not a privilege that some may not be able to get versus others. that is the issue that is most important to be right now. >> voices from the states, on

c-span. now i discussion on racism in america. georgetown university host a religious leader, civil rights activists, and akamai scholars to talk about the role of religious faith in confronting racism, bigotry, and sexism. this is just under two hours. this sacred space,

generations of students, faculty, staff, and alumni have encountered god. our jesuit andf catholic heritage, we profess here are deep respect and sincere appreciation for people of other backgrounds who seek to grow in faith as well as knowledge. georgetown's jasmine tradition pridedation has always both the pursuit of truth and virtue. it is the transformation of the whole person from ignorance to understanding, from isolation to dialogue. from indifference to more responsibility. it characterizes the best of what i just thought might georgetown has to offer. anduch of the political social discourse of our nation has heart into a rancorous

noise. distracted us from our ability to be informed, honest, and even prophetic and our dialogue about the ethical issues facing us today. we hope that a conversation in the midst of this sacred space might offer a more prayerful engage political, academic, and spiritual leaders. these dialogues with an in place of prayer and worship can sustain and empower us to be more active participants and renew our common sense of purpose. tonight the office of mission and ministry in collaboration with the initiative on catholic continues our series that seeks to deepen conversations about social justice along with this rich and deep heritage in our christian faith. unite in confronting

racism in our hearts. before beginning, with song and prayer, i would like to invite the president to share his own personal welcome. >> thank you very much, father bosco. good evening everyone. thank you for this opportunity to be with you all. as father bosco shared, for a second dialogue hosted by our initiative on catholic social thought in public life in her option -- in our office of mission and ministry. not ready toes are come together in prayer, reflection, and dialogue. we seek a deeper alignment of our values and our action. we are grateful to the initiative, to the office of mission and ministry, to the

democracy fund, to chris towford, for their efforts make this evening's dialogue possible. ,n just a moment, john carr director of our initiative on catholic social thought in public life, we introduce an invite to the stage an extra in a panel -- an extraordinary panel. to each of you, i want to thank you for your presence. we are grateful to our panelists for the reflections that they will share with us. i'd also like to thank rabbi rachel garner who will lead us in an opening prayer in just a few moments. in recent years, our community has come together through town hall meetings, classrooms, and religious basis, with our partners across the city.

we have gathered in response to public incidents and personal experiences. we sought to establish new structures and new opportunities. to urge one another, to support one another in the important work towards racial justice. 150 years after the abolition of slavery, our society is still grappling with the problems of andsm and racial injustice we are grappling with that here, in our community and in our city. tonight we gather for this dialogue to explore the role of explore the role of religious faith in pursuit of the common good of ridding the world of racism. there is a letter, the challenges of racism today, in

which we are reminded that it is our faith that causes us to confront and overcome racism. recent efforts under the leadership of archbishop gregory and bishop george murray. reflective,tore brothers and sisters to us. the leadership of cardinal patrick o'boyle to eliminate the resources. -- illuminate the resources. this issue requires our enduring attention and response. boyle sought to eliminate the cause of rachel -- illuminate the cause of racial justice. indication, the

march on washington alongside , andlewis and dr. king offer the attendance of local parishes within the march. well-known is a gathering here at georgetown in 1964 in support of the civil rights act. his role as chairman of the interreligious committee on race relations, he'll sit in interreligious event here on cap -- on campus attended by 1600 people of protestant, catholic, and jewish faith. tonight to are here speak with one voice are deep religious convictions about the begin the of man and the rights , what are congress considers in terms of public policy we hold in terms of human dignity. he concluded together and by

saying, this assembly is but a beginning. we have embarked upon a crusade that will not be ended until every american has been given the right, equal opportunities, and full recognition of her or his human dignity. o'boyle words, cardinal issued a call that remains is the 53 years ago. it animates our long going continued commitment to grapple with our store participation in the institution of slavery. a call that demands each of us to demand with greater vigor the these institutions that persist in our nation. reflectionsinspires , and work together at the university community. i wish to express my appreciation to all of you.

it is a privilege to be here for this convening. we are grateful. [applause] >> please join with us in singing, amazing race, found in your program. the stand. -- please stand. ♪ amazing grace, how sweet the sound like me d a wretch lost but now i'm found as blind but now i see

'twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved how precious did that grace ppear believed first the lord has promised good to me his words my hopes it that -- good to me secures. my hope

bewill my shield and portion yet whens life endures this flesh and heart shall fail nd mortal life shall cease shall possess of the veil life of joy and peace

years been there 10,000 bright shining as the sun we've no less days to sing god's praise -- thenen first begun hen we'd first begun ♪ >> please remain standing. in the shadow of rabbi abraham, joshua has show, and all the rabbis who want for justice for me and surrounded me with my privilege privacy tonight.

[singing in hebrew] blessed are you god. he you opens our eyes. day and everythis year to see your light, dear god, as a shines through every human being. the radiant and light of every human family. blessed are you god. footsteps.e guide us towards wholeness. move us away from the racism that wounds us, divides us from ourselves, and cuts us off from one another and you. drive us away from the equivocations that on is the

divine image and some but not in others. blessed are you god. strength.us strengthen our current should to turnn our courage inward and tried to pursue the world as it should we. strengthen us to protect and plead one another's cause. blessed are you god. in hebrew] who takes care of our every need finally, bless us in our gathering tonight and faithfulness to hear hard truths tonight bravely. harden inrts begin to defensiveness, soften us to one another's pain. if we begin to recoil in comfort -- discomfort, give us empathy.

is what you desire and require of us. quiet our minds. ready our spirits for the hard work that the world needs us to do. maybe comforted by the knowledge that you are with us every step of the way. can you hear a song? made bre -- may it in your will, maybe hours. amen. please be seated. [indiscernible] >> good evening. theame is john carr and i'm director of the initiative on catholic social thought public life.

i'm honored to partner with our colleagues in the office of mission and ministry. thank you, rabbi for that prayer. can tell we are an interface immunity. we sang all the verses of the song. versus.atholic way, to -- tworsus -- there's verses. the president talked about how we are wrestling with this at georgetown. many of you know it is taking on very direct original, historical reality with the broader understanding of the sale of human beings to support the college of university. the very definition of white privilege. has georgetown's

response been different than other places. there are many reasons. one of them is sitting next to me. the work of the group on slavery, memory, and association. -- and reconciliation. there are two things we should think about tonight. one is religious convictions on human life, dignity, human rights, justice, solidarity, that gives different way of looking at world. the other has been the leadership of our president. instead of trying to evade her escape has took his head on. he helped us had gone away forward. president has moral principles of leadership. and the things we're need to can. additions and people have been a big part of the problem and elvis the solution. think about it.

people relied of the bible by --very clambered across slavery. the klan burned the cross to intimidate people. abolitionist love the scriptures. martin luther king jr. was a reverend. o'boyle stood up in difficult times. in the pastoral letter you have your hand, it is step. about howe to talk those institutions and leadership can make a difference. we have a remarkable group of to help us think about that. leader, thestor, a only african-american archbishop in our country. the fact that he is the only is

something about him is about us. something about him and something about us. he's been a leader in at his life. we have your teaching, enter scholarship, and inner leadership on this this announced. we'll be joined by zero. someone called the conscience of the congress. representative lewis has a day job. he's a member of the conference -- congress and he had votes tonight. we have hard question. we have elements of responses. and we have a great group of people. let me turn to you first. archbishop gregory, he went to charlottesville after the days.

you said we have to find better ways to talk about the r word, racism. life, ministered, dealt with discrimination in euro and situation, grew up in chicago. one of my favorite things about archbishop gregory is it said he decided he wanted to be a priest before he was a catholic. a testament to the power of catholic schools in the inner-city. i worked in the conference would archbishop gregory was president. he provided enormous, tremendous leadership in many areas. i will personally never forget that at a time when the church was on trial and i was the , he stoodyoung sons up on clerical sexual abuse and insisted on accountability and

change in the church. this they pastor of courage and love the courage has come in the area of racial justice. have troublewe talking about the r word, racism, what did you mean? how should we be talking about this? our colleagues are trying to make the case we can talk about tough issues through civil dialogue. why do we find it hard and what should we be doing to overcome our avoidance of the r word? difficult we find it especially at this moment in our nation's history because we have become so polarized. we have in so many different ways lost the ability to speak civilly to one another. but it also think it's difficult because the issue of racism at its core is a spiritual

difficulty. it is a spiritual moment. like any spiritual moment, it calls us to conversion. ways tofraid in many talk about the race question. to talk about racism with one another. it might reveal that what we thought we understood, we don't understand. that's the heart of the spiritual conversion. to acknowledge that what we thought we possessed that made us feel secure, we don't. men with torches march to the streets of

charlottesville saying you will not replace us, when young black men lose their black -- lose their lives in our city in conflict with police and broader , when as the president said, african-americans are twice as likely to be jobless in this city and infant mortality is twice as high for african-american babies, how to those realities shape not only our spiritual response, but our personal, how public response? momentink part of this and part of this response is there been moments in our , weory, recent history

reached a momentous event. whether was the civil rights act, the voting rights act, the election of the first african-american president, and there was so much hope in that weg that threshold confuse the achievement of a , with event, civic event conversion. so there is a disappointment when we find ourselves facing the same issues and sometimes even more complex issues that we thought, if we could only in that this piece of legislation if this young, articulate african man can be elected president, surely we have threshold.

to doubtnts causes that we might ever be able to moments ofse spiritual reconciliation. >> we talked about spiritual conversion. you talked about whether we will cross that bridge. and are the roles responsibilities of religious institutions and leaders? we are in a chapel, not a lecture hall. we began with song and prayer not a political call to arms. pope francis seems to be a universal leader who can touch our conscience in ways that many others can't. what is the responsibility of religious institutions and what one,e learn from,

religious leaders, not only for other religious leaders but other leaders. i think pope francis and dr. way, both in a prophetic said the role of faith is to accompany people. to walk with them in life journey and not only does walk with them, challenge them. it's the work of evangelization. it's a work of inviting people to conversion. earlier, it was reference that dr. king, the world refers to ms. dr. king but he was first reverend king, that his leadership was primarily a spiritual leadership.

now, there is no question that he was directly involved with the civil changes that took place as a part of the civil rights movement. but he was first of all one who spoke to the heart of our nation about the spiritual values were being ignored. >> marcia, uri scholar. your professor at georgetown. oklahomaa professor at . you are a native of chicago. it's a bit of a chicago night here at georgetown. you have all sorts of awards for your teaching. you have written an incredible book about young

african-american girls and women growing up. yet, what i want to ask you about is the experience of serving on this working group. heret all of us walked in and off to the right is isaac hawkins hall. if you called the lady hall. mullaneyd to be called hall. who are those people and why is that important? >> when we think about the context of the work we did, for a number of us it was desperation not only into georgetown's history but the history of the united states. father mullaney was an american catholic in a time when american catholics were not clear about the question of slavery. that is who he was. he was also here at georgetown

university and had a choice to make. the choice was around the assets of human beings. 272 men, women, and children who were sold to reconcile georgetown stats and allow for the jazz a community here to imagine georgetown's future. here toesuit community imagine georgetown's future. it's important to remember why we made a decision not only to rename the hall but also mcsherry hall to another name. i think the renaming is important for other institutions to resist the false idolatry of owning confederate statues, flags, the symbols in our culture at this moment that people devoting these things rather than thinking about the spiritual conversion we were talking about. i think that in making the move

to say we are no longer going to put a place of honor for this person who had a legitimate when americanment catholics are grappling about the question of slavery and made the choice that was the most of most nefarious and most fundamental in reifying the street of institution of slavery. isaac hawkins the first name that appears on the bill of sale. we were thinking about this renaming, we were thinking about the proper character of isaac in the bible and the sacrifice. as imagine all our institutions of being predicated i sacrifice of human life and human dignity, then perhaps we would have a different relationship, not only with our institutions, but with each other. the second hall is named after a free woman of color in washington dc was that was a school for half american girls.

having a memorial at georgetown's campus to her helps us remember the racial composition of georgetown. .t was george's town it was the center of african-american life. we need to imagine a person living a free life and watching her brothers and sisters live in a free life. unfree life. knowing they have human dignity and living in a world that they cannot see that is one of the ways the memorialization process on this campus can animate and help our students understand why we pursue the kind of education we pursue here at georgetown. >> you talked about what the renaming civilized. something with it as a, that's easy. judgment, they made their judgment and long time ago. what are the behaviors and

reactions that we have to take to not talk about that legacy of years ago but to do with reality today? you study this. he lived this. we are in the chapel but if you don't believe what are twitter grammar talked about, if it is in a matter of spiritual conversion, one of the moral qualities? what are the civic virtues that we need to deal with at a time when this? >> i think at the heart of white supremacy we think about the power it tries to consolidate, but white supremacy is also about stripping did eddie from others and being able to live -- being unable to live a dignified life yourself. yourself. what do we do about racism today? we don't have this kind of

leadership. it is not just about a conversion of your heart. it's about the restoration of your own human dignity. i don't think a person who has invested themselves in white supremacist ideas, they have no idea of their own human unity because you have not lived in a context that allows of the rigorous moral inventory you need to do that. i'm going to bring of election because that's what i do. [laughter] this past election was a moment where we went from a real shock of what was possible in this nation to this three ring service about reaching across the aisle. it's ok someone disagrees, no big deal. instead of saying, what we take a moment to think about the consequences of your power when you exercise them in a democracy and its predicated on the power and stripping ability of other people? why don't we sit with that?

problem with a lot of antiracist work is that it's well-intentioned but doesn't require anything of the person seeking conversion. there is no moral wrestling or reconciliation. of people mores are organized around our religious communities, we are not the only ones who have the access to the moral questions. themember of this community in the society has to grapple with the moral question. when we decide that moral questions are just for the -- the churchk, -- , i think what we did georgetown is particularly constructive. my husband says the more you can tolerate the negative emotions of others in the negative emotions of yourself the better you do in the world. that's really hard to do.

we have never as a nation sat with the negative emotions of what flights from sea has done if the unit god. i will make roosevelt to but use it to update in ways which invited us in the bushes away -- instead of pushing us away. no one likes a grim do-gooder. in aall us to justice joyful justice. is amebody who practitioner of joy for justice is jim. he is a best-selling author. he is a colleague. he is a baseball coach. he coached other people's kids. that's as close as you get to

purgatory in this life. you talked about moral wrestling. this is a man who has done moral wrestling since his teenage years. michigan, he asked hard questions about segregation and discrimination. books which is12 almost as hard as coaching for 11 years. is america'sook original said. racism, white privilege and the bridge to the new america. what is the bridge to the new america when a lot of people civilly want to make america great again?

>> when i realize you're going to have is the chapel, i was gregory -- i was very grateful because i realized this was the right place for this conversation. is clear to me that we are not going to get to where we need by just talking politics. we have to talk about theology. we have to go deeper. what is at stake is the soul of the nation. i was doing a racial justice week atrage -- justice marquette. he asked how many white students named andeard racism call said from the pulpits?

he asked that question on a time of his white students. on the snow white students raise their hands. said, let's talk about send. -- talk about sin. it wasn't about slavery, it was about the kind of slavery we created. are doing and kidnapped africans are indigenous people if you believe they are people in the image of god. so we had to say they weren't. away a lot to create this it -- the system.

it still is gone in many of our structures. you mentioned little league baseball coaching. it's good theology. white privilege, it comes down to this. every black player i have coached for 20 seasons, 11 years, every black player has had the talk with the data mom on how to behave in the presence of a police officer. do. to do and what not to how to hold your hands. keep your eyes. none of my white players ever had that talk. town, very few of their parents even knew was .oing on the talk is everywhere.

parentsut the black have to tell the kids. safety.ivilege, i can to you how many activists when they talk about why privilege to talk with her kids. they don't feel safe with their kids walking out any door in the city. answer is repentance. it doesn't mean just feeling guilty or sorry. that's too easy for us white folks. it means turning around and going in a whole new direction. chapel aboutnd sin, repentance, conversion, idolatry, has to be turning around things in policing

systems. health care, criminal justice. that is the test of our words here. with our words here do on the street. jesus, god hits the streets. prayersour words or here mean on the streets and in systems and structures? this nation is not code gives the bridge until it goes deeper than politics. >> i have the ok to go to sea island georgia. i stayed at the colony and i was going to go out and play golf. , the worthy was scheme

of respect, but as i was going clearly out to play golf, a young, white lady came where is rest of the restaurant. she presumed, the presumption was -- if a black man was at the colony, no matter how he was dressed, he was a staffer. presumption -- is what you said -- is it possible that this guest andis here as a is going to play golf like my husband. the presumption was just the opposite. it tags on to what you're

saying about white privilege. and the importance of black parents speaking to their kids about -- this is how you must behave in the event that you are stopped for a ticket or you are somehow in front of an authority. >> the ability to read you as anything but a servant is where people iraq. toir moral imagination imagine april without discrimination, with equal schools. they cannot even get there. i think that is something i have found when i travel. can i always ask -- what do? they want me to sign a book. i no longer engage that question. i say -- it is more important to

think about what have you done. what harm have you brought into the world. what choices are you making that have caused harm. and what are you willing to do. but does your imagination of value to think about. resist the idea that the prescription is x, y, and see and then there is freedom. we have to wrestle with the fact that our behavior has caused limitations to our behavior. because the solution is not superficial. it is in the heart and in the soul. a hopeful, black, chief executive have those stories.

people throwing their keys at them. official, these are his stories. georgetown, i have a young student who was at sidwell friends. i think we should stand up and welcome them. [applause] >> good to see you. >> that was a really good story, jim. that -- we aren theing about how to build

beloved community that dr. king talked about and you have talked about. we were talking about the talk in the archbishop was telling the story -- a land up. chicago. it is rough your for us minnesota people. was in aained that he resort and on his way to play golf, and someone stopped by to where the restaurant was. you never did say what you told her. simply said, i am a guest here like you. jim and i are part of the circle of protection. doing remarkable work. christian churches of every stripe. and bread for the world was part of the i was trained to get my head on this. , heafrican-american bishop

jogs. but secondly, he said he never leaves the house without his drivers license. my daughter was trying to teach me what white privilege was. she had read about the .eadership of our president maybe being a part of the university where the sale of 272 human beings being brought forward may be part of white privilege. there are a lot of untruths in washington these days. [laughter] being diplomatic here, it is a church. one untruth is there are no heroes in washington. we have a hero, and he is here tonight. [applause]

me, that iemember remember you, congressman lewis. i had the great privilege of working for credit scott king. part of that was to see the giants of the civil rights movement. frankly, they were mostly older men. and they would debate and talk and eventually, it came time to decide. and then a much younger man would make the case with passion and urgency and with clarity about the path forward. and that young man was you. and now, you are not so young anymore. still making the case for the forward. program and you

were the youngest person to speak there. you are the only person still living who spoke at the march on washington. seven leaders of religious groups. you have always told the religious community that we have to play our part in the struggle for civil and human rights. as you think back to the march on washington which you spoke to as a young man, and think about what we have been through this last year, what do you think needs to be done? i am delighted, to be here. i regret very much that i had a commitment at another university that delayed me. but i am always glad to be at georgetown.

the past few months have been like hell on wheels. i have seen a great deal, but i have never in all my days seen what is happening in america today. some time, i feel we have lost our way. dr. king spoke a great deal about the beloved community, and redeeming the soul of america. something that the church should be a headlight and not a telik. i think i'm getting it right. and martin luther king would also say from time to time that we have to be a spark plug. most of the young people would not know what a spark plug is. [laughter]

a spark plug would continue to burn and burn. give our people, all of our people, and especially our young people, our children the sense of hope that we won't make it. that we will overcome. not to get lost in a sea of despair. not become bitter. the way of love is the better way. just love everybody. you may get arrested and go to jail a few times. you may be beaten or bloody but you are making a down payment for building the beloved community.

>> congressman lewis, you mentioned arrest. i think i read that you have been arrested 50 times. >> almost 50. breakingbet on you not 50. you talked about bloody sunday, that was your blood on the streets. and yet you never expressed bitterness. you always talk about love. how do you, in a really divided where peopletime are pitted against one another, how do you pull people together? how do you help them see that what they have in common is more? we had a conversation about what white privilege does to white people. how do you lift the banner of service and love in a society

that seems to be tearing itself ?part without resorting to hate how do you invite people in, without pushing them away? congressman lewis: it is important for all of us as children of god almighty to love.ue to live lives of love everybody. ideaever give up on this that we can all become more human. we are all created in the image of god almighty. nashville, as a student in 1960, before our first arrest. we had studied the way of peace and love and the philosophy of nonviolence. the end of a citizen come it

said -- remember the teachings of jesus. martin luther king jr. and gandhi. may god bless you. 89 of us were arrested that day and every single one of us had a copy of the do's and does a way of life. -- if we ask our panel were to do the dues and don'ts racism, you don't have to do the whole list tonight, but if you were to think about a do and a don't, what would be on your list? jim? we talk in chapel a lot about love. and we should. and we are. but the love that john lewis showed on the bridge that day

was a love that was willing to risk. we often do not put the risk for love. in our church tradition, it is love to risk and suffer. when we particularly are talking about a bridge to a new america, i think it means that those who believe in what we are saying tonight, have to be willing to say -- where are we going to risk our presence? our privilege? our wealth, our time, our bodies, our faith? in the middle of transforming the systems about policing and health care and mass incarceration. when i talk to the young kids in the street, that is a question i always hear back from there. not -- do you believe in what we are trying to do question mark but what risk are you willing to take. that is a question we have to be

willing to take. act, in live, where we the coffee shops, in the streets. it will really take some risks to make the changes that we believe in. ,e had this 50th anniversary going back up the bridge and their you all were. thewere all walking with wheelchairs and walkers. all of the foot soldiers were there. what struck me was all the risk these foot soldiers took to make voting rights happened. it did not just happen. it was the risk that you all took. the test of love is risk. >> one of the dues i would -- take ishe do's i would to tell people how they can join our conversation. pretend i told you that about a

half hour ago. for those of you who feel badly about those that could not fit in here, this is being taped by c-span and will be broadcast over the next days and weeks. archbishop, your dues and don'ts. lewis put his finger on the heart of the issue about loving other people. a do has to be loving yourself. and realizing that my dignity, my goodness -- my goodness, my worth is not dependent on my standing on someone else. if, in fact, we are god's

children, that is where the dignity lies. hood that gode gave to us. and they knew not have to -- and i do not have to step on anyone to be worthwhile. you are born with that. it calms when you go down the birth channel, you bring it with you. made a better man i canetter woman because say -- well, at least, i can say that i am better than --. i have to love myself simply because i am convinced that god made me lovable. 's are powerful and eloquent.

sometimes, the don'ts are more difficult. of theback at the roster march on washington. congressman lewis was the youngest. no women spoke at the movement. several were recognized but something that has changed for the better in 50 years is that women of color are now leaders. don'ts? your do's and >> don't forget the women. [laughter] [applause] in forgetting the women, you forget where the mechanism is and where theoped lung cavity is. remainhe women that committed to movements. if i were to add a don't to the list, i would say -- do not try

to soothe the tears or silence the anger, sit with it. because, going back to the issue of gender, we have such an opportunity in this moment when we think about racial conflict to address the real grief of conflict. what unfortunately happens is the grief gets shut out because it feels angry or uncomfortable. after the uprising in ferguson, i spent a long time talking to communities about ferguson. at the end of the day, i could that a woman lost her son. a man lost his son. a group of people lost a that a. a member of their community and they were angry and sad about it. my only wish for other people is that the people we love and care about, when we say goodbye to them in the morning, we want them to return to us. in this country, because of the

color of your skin, your sexual identity, there is a possibility that you will not return. and so much about our christian teaching is the joy over the return of jesus. have a moreould humane approach to these questions. [applause] congressman, you got me started on this -- what is a do and a don't for today? love.ssman lewis: to love. love is so strong and powerful. i will give you an example. had antober, i opportunity to travel to rochester, new york. colleagues invited me to come and meet some of the

nuns that took care of us in selma, in the good samaritan hospital. >> can the people here the congressman? met threen lewis: i of the nuns that took care of us on march 7 in 1965 in selma. they are retired in rochester. when i saw them, i started crying. they started crying. and they kept saying -- john, we love you. sister, i saying -- love you. had it not been for these nuns, i don't know what would've happened to us. it is the power of love. to have that connection -- that is a spark of the divine in all of us. when i was growing up in rural

alabama, we would sing a song from time to time. i don't know the words but it was something like -- running from heart to heart. there is a connection. mike, don't hate. don't hate. as dr. king said and others said, kate is too heavy of a burden to bear. it will destroy you. don't -- archbishop? jim? kate is gone. >> that -- hate is gone. don't -- andy the especially to the young people who are here. life, do not lose hope.

think,e is a virtue, i that this particular moment really calls for, it is the virtue of hope. so much of the negative energy that is out there, the divisiveness, there is the invitation, the temptation, i could say, to abandon hope. "dante's important," that is hell.he portal of "abandon you, all ye the hope." >> jim, you talk about evangelicals talking about sin a lot. catholics have been known to use that word a lot also.

the way we get to that is an examination of conscience. part of that is what we should and what we should not do. what would --what should we not do? >> we had a town hall on this in atlanta. , he called himself an know, i am ayou recovering racist and i go to a multicultural church. but he said that things were getting so bad he did not feel any hope anymore. an older black africa -- african-american woman stepped white said -- that is privilege. it retreat to cynicism is what we do not do. tutuope -- and desmond taught about this -- hope and optimism are not the same. i am not optimistic about what we are seeing right now but hope is not a seeing -- is not a

feeling or a movement. tutu acted ind hope every day when there was not that much optimism around. how do we not retreat to cynicism, a privilege for those that have to survive? how do you act in hope? to join thepeople .onversation on twitter i'm going to read this. that should be a response. "the lord be with you." and i would invite colleagues to bring forward the microphone because we have some time for questions. andou could stand up here ask people to line up of jumping around, that would be a great help. lineup behind this gentleman.

i want to begin further back. ok. you crossedlewis, the bridge, not for love. you crossed it for voting rights. love was the way you expressed that. our friends at the democracy fund want democracy to work at her. but come it looks like we are backwards on voting rights. the supreme court invalidated major sections of the bill. people great -- gave great speeches about how they were going to fix it. trying have legislators to make it work. what is at work here? what can congress do? is that something concrete we can work on? after you crossed the bridge, after the voting right was signed -- it was not fixed. lewis: we can fix it

and we must fix it. the vote is precious. in a democratic society such as powerful,s the most nonviolent instrument or told that we have and we have to use it. that what happened in virginia a few days ago, last tuesday, the handwriting is on the wall. [applause] >> jim, anyone else on voting rights? in a couple of decades, we will no longer be a white, majority nation.

we will be a majority of minorities. we are foolish if we do not see that there is a strategy at work to take votes away from people of color. immigration policy. refugee policy. gerrymandering. the voter fraud fraud. voter suppression. fraud, voter voter suppression strategies coming from washington. that is what we are up against now. what john did on that bridge, that work is not done and to protect it, we have to understand the strategy in place to take votes away from people of color. mass incarceration as part of that. all of these things. we have to care about those things and get involved in those struggles in our communities. particularly as we approach the elections coming forward. jim, you are so right.

i am convinced that there is a deliberate, systematic effort to keep the same group of people from participating in a democratic process. when the pope came and spoke to the joint session of congress, he said -- we are all immigrants. we all come from some other place. what we need to do in america -- we need to set the people free. set them on a path to citizenship. open up the process and let everyone come in. [applause] >> in terms of the voting issue did -- wewe have have to do something about the lack of hope or the fact that we and a great nation

percentage of our people do not vote. congressman, you and your colleagues in the civil blood tovement spilt get the right to vote. how many of our people, african-american and white people, do not bother to vote question mark we have got to really encourage the act -- the active participation in the franchise. >> we will turn to questions. i would ask you to identify yourself and put your question in the form of a question. [laughter] it is not jeopardy. >> my name is mark combe. how i ended up in georgetown. i am not catholic. me over hereag

every time i am not interested. >> they are all wonderful. >> they are -- but, that is true. this is not really a question. i want to tell a short experience i had. i play poker. i am sitting at a poker table -- >> i hope this is a short poker game. >> this will be real quick. there are two black kids, one of which i knew and had played with before. she works at another casino. she has a good job. type kids.ddle-class another gentlemen, about my age and he makes a very racist comment at the table. and i say something to him. i say something -- i have a big

mouth. the kids quieted me down. they clearly did not want any part of it. they did not want an argument. they didn't want anything. like they wanted to ignore it. i wonder ifng -- the younger generation has not run into racism or they just want to pretend like it doesn't exist anymore. maybe that is the best way. it is getting better. it will take care of itself. is that a pervasive thought? >> i can't presuppose their thought but there have been moments in my life when someone has wanted to stand up and say something on my behalf. a consequence of racism is wanting to protect yourself from

further humiliation. you to keepplines your place. they actually appreciated that someone was calling out the racism, but sometimes in those moments, especially in a country that is so armed as our own, confronting racism you always have a second thought. as someone who spends a lot of time who lives with unhealthy anxiety. but it is grounded in the experience of not knowing what kind of exposure i have put myself up to. [applause] >> good evening. i have the privilege of working at archbishop carroll high school, the first integrated high school founded by cardinal o'boyle, as you mentioned. for archbishop gregory and mr.

wallace, i wonder how our churches need to change. given the fact that the current administration was mostly elected by people who identify themselves as christians but tend not to go to church. about the roleng religious institutions can play, it is hard to play that role if religious institutions are not factors in people's lies. i wonder how you think the church has to change in order to inform that --. >> the first thing the church has to do is a knowledge that it also is racist. racism is not a sin that is out there. it is a sin that permeates all of us. things that pope

francis does, and he does quite well, when he describes himself, -- it was asked -- how would you describe yourself? and he said -- i am a sinner. a cutewas not just response. it was a sincere response that as a minister of the gospel, i'm going to invite the people that i care for and serve to conversion and so i have to begin by saying that it is a journey i have to take with you. >> jim? white operative word in is "white"hese days and not "christian." question back to the idolatry. as white name this

supremacy? it is an idol and idols are not from god. love ourr pastors people enough to preach the gospel to them? this is not an issue of politics or civility. it is a matter of discipleship. what does it mean to be a disciple and what does that call us to? discipleship and our congregations are talking about racial equity and healing as matters of faith. we are not going to help navigate this bridge to a new america. it has to happen someplace. churches are critical. sports, little league sports are critical but congregations will be a critical venue for navigating this bridge to a new

america. if we talk about this in a chapel as an issue of faith that we are called to respond to. >> thank you for your work at archbishop carroll. it is an amazing place. >> i am josh and a master student here. the 50th anniversary of dr. kings slaying is coming up in april. no doubt we will see his face on a lot of magazine covers. what do you hope to see as part of that commentary? what do you hope not to see? think of that -- a story that may not be appropriate. i went to memphis. my flight was canceled. i had a day in memphis. i went to graceland. and i called for a taxi to go to thecivil rights museum, lorraine hotel where dr. king

was murdered. the woman on the taxi phone said thatn't no one ever gone way before. in terms of making the journey. we have to make the journey so that the people, including those at graceland, that they see the civil rights museum. : they don't --is what you just said. i plan to go -- >> you are the person here that new dr. king the best. 50 years -- we have sort of sanitized him in some ways. it is wonderful that he is part of a national holiday that, as we remember his death, what should we remember about his life? congressman lewis: we should remember that he was a preacher of the gospel.

study to be a civil rights leader. he was a minister of the gospel. power of then the holy spirit. almighty of god working through human beings. had, as he he studied and became involved in think he pointed to pockets of the beloved community. and you saw it. you saw it in selma, in birmingham, in montgomery and around our country. when dr. kingink was -- if when he died, something died with him. the day and the hour that we

heard he was a synapse -- assassinated, i was in minneapolis campaigning for bobby kennedy. cried, like many people all over the world. in two months later, bobby kennedy was gone. but i did not lose hope. i kept the faith. way, weehow and some would survive. think, if it had not been for dr. king and bobby kennedy, i would probably not be involved in american politics today. i admired both of these men. had it not been for dr. martin luther king jr., i don't know

what would've happened to meet that he freed me and liberated me. so, april 4, i am going back to minneapolis and later to memphis. i have not in back there since that day, april 4, 1968. i am going back there early in the morning. and now, i'm going to make it back to memphis. we have to go back. >> any comments? how do we remember? >> the only thing that i hope in king'slection is that antimilitarism and questions about anticapitalism that at 50 years as a nation we can understand that was part of his greatness. [applause] atlantarchdiocese of has been working hard -- has been working closely with a number of our ecumenical and

interfaith partners. while we have not flushed out a specific program, i suspect it will be an interfaith and ecumenical or service that day. perspective, one of my predecessors, the first archbishop of atlanta, paul halliday and, was a friend of dr. kings. and paul died the same week. he had been sick, obviously. i would like to combine those two because the archbishop had a profound impact on the catholic community, the interfaith community, and the 50th anniversary of dr. king's assassination might be a good time for me to realize the importance of the ecumenical

fellowship that has to be the bedrock of our society. >> jim? >> marsha said it well. his last speech had the three evil triplets, racism, ms.tarism, and economic justice. he was not done. and we cannot be done either. rumors about ady poor people's campaign growing up around the country because of the 50th anniversary of that beginning and ending. but that is coming back. this back andg recognize that he was not done? what would he think watching the newscast that i just watched? what would he think if he saw what we were watching this evening? he would have a clear agenda in his head about not being done. what is our agenda for this 50th

anniversary? >> he went to memphis and not nashville to support guardsmen who were striking for dignity, wages, and jobs. next. >> i am a sophomore at georgetown. we have talked about women in the civil rights movement. we supplanted race and racial liberation for general liberation at a time when they were running concurrently. one of the marginalized groups in today's racial liberation movement is the black and brown as part ofdentify the lgbtq community. tot is the church doing identify with the black, brown community who are also lgbtq.

tend to think that religion is conflicting with those that are part of the sexual liberation. how do you reconcile that and support the -- those black and brown people? >> who should we ask to answer that? [laughter] >> the first part of my answer is -- not enough. -- jamesnderful jesuit martin, has written a wonderful book in which he challenges both , hisnstitutional church catholic church, my church, to be in dialogue with the lgbt community to build bridges. and that has challenged a lot of people in my church because you do not want to build a bridge if

you think you are already on the right side of the cliff. think, is where we have to go next. and we are not doing a lot. about two years ago, i met with of gay andparents lesbian young people. "thehey called them selves fortunate family." and they just wanted to talk to me. the last question that one of them asked me was --p, can you love our kids? them, response is, was to i have to love your kids. i don't have an option. and so, it has got to be a lot of bridge building. from both sides of the chasm. the lgbt think, if

community has felt hurt, and they have been, they have built up a certain anger and resentment and if you're going to build a bridge, you have to do it jointly. and i think that is the call we have to have right now. >> i heard the chimes. of ae got a little bit late start so we will go a little longer. can i ask people to offer to questions together and we will ask the panel to respond. and then two more. and then we will wrap up. pulled a microphone down, please. >> thank you for this opportunity. i am encouraged about the story aat gregory said about being presumption just because you are african-american. . am glad and honored

from allike a response of the panel. because this touches government directly. and to tell me how do i deal with love in response to the anger that i feel when i am presumed, presumed what i am not? only because of the way that i sound?nd the way that i i came back from canada on october the 23rd, a monday like today. at 2:00 along the border, congressman lewis, at 2:00 along the border in champlain, new york. we were passing customs. and my closest friend, they are white caucasians with blue eyes. he and his son. we gave the passports to the border patrol.

me toy did they choose run all of the databases to find out if there was something wrong about me? they had no problem with them. --whatey wanted to see about her? this is what he says --where were you and what were you doing there? -- we friend response were visiting my friend in montréal and we are coming back. and he looked at me and he said to my friend -- and her? how do you know her? like he had picked me up and down the road and maybe he was an illegal alien. i have been in this country for 40 years and a citizen since 1993. i worked for the federal government and i have worked

with fema. i served this country and represent this country in three governments in south america. >> thank you. >> they put us in a room to wait for 40 minutes and the border can troll -- the border control called me. i think i better not say what he asked me because the humiliation was beyond what i can tell you. and the accusation was beyond. and i cried from albany, new york to boston, massachusetts. me tove you are telling practice, teach me. [applause] and the understanding that you want me to have on the presumption of me not being a decent woman is unacceptable. i don't know how you want to respond to me, please. >> thank you for sharing your story. if you could add your question

and then we will respond to several at once. that first ofnk all, her question is much more important than mine is going to be. addition to come in the panel commenting on her question, to have the panel comment on race relations, not just with the african-american community but the latino community. the one that is disturbingly effective by the current administration. >> ok. add that itike to is not simply the black community or the latino community, although clearly we of a lot of the hostility. i am also deeply concerned about

the bigotry against our islamic brothers and sisters. [applause] >> congressman? congressman lewis: i'm deeply concerned about what happened to you and is a many others. human beings. every day. because of the color of your skin. a philip randolph, a black man who was born in jacksonville, cityda, moved to new york and became a champion of civil rights, human rights, and labor rights. when we were planning the march on washington, he would say over

and over again, maybe our forefathers and our foremothers all came to this land in different ships. but we are all in the same boat now. martin luther king jr. put it another way. we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not, we are passionless fools. we have to sensitize and educate people in our places. i don't want to become political about it. but when you have certain individuals, leave it at that, in high places, sending the word you don'tthat may be look like us and you are not one of us. --n people become [indiscernible]

that is not the american way. that is not the human way. we have to work every single day to remove those scars and stains from america. we have to do it. there are i think three more people in line. four? three. we will forgo closing comments and i would ask that we could take the three questions and asked the panelists to respondent's mri and we will begin to bring the evening to a close. please. i am a junior here at georgetown and a vice president of one of the ncaa -- and a my question is for congressman lewis. you talk about --

life, what parts of your ideology have stayed the same? what parts have changed? and how do you stay true to the revolutionary values of your youth? congressman lewis: that sound -- >> that sounds like a term paper in the making. i am sure congressman lewis will handle that. >> i am a senior and a student worker for campus ministry. how you guysnow personally would explain racism to people who claim not to see color or race. a large problem i have run into in my faith community is well-intentioned people claiming not to see race in the hopes

that racism will disappear. how would you respond to that? >> ok. and please, join us. a juniorrancesca and at georgetown visitation. it is hard to follow such smart people before me. >> you fit right in. i grew up inn -- washington, d.c. but i am a latina. how do we approach racism and white privilege in our communities, especially with those that refuse to a knowledge the existence of those things that exist in our community? great comments to and on. how do you keep your values? how do they change? how do you stay consistent? how do you explain racism to people who insist they are not racist? and how do you talk to people that insist they don't see color

or ethnicity? >> well. think alln lewis: i of us as humans have some strange habits. really. within the civil rights movement, people discriminated. look at the people that spoke at -- spoke at the march on washington. it was all men. ministersinated by who did not think there was a role for women and the church. right? and some of the leaders of the movement considered the movement there is little church -- their little church and discriminated against people that happened to begin a. one of the organizers of the march on washington was gay but

there was not a role for this person to play in the movement. to play up front in open daylight because they were afraid that a member of congress, a southern senator would stand up and say something about this particular person or the movement. so, i think we all have to find -- let useans, just just get along and be friends. racismrs and stains of are deeply embedded in american society. when i spoke at the march, i said there must be a revolution of values. a revolution of ideas. fully,all have to become more human. just be human. i see some of my colleagues in the congress and i say hello,

brother. hello, sister, how are you doing today? they probably think i am a little crazy calling them brothers and sisters, but we are all brothers and sisters. we are all humans. can we just be human beings? one big family? and blessed by god almighty. >> i am trying to think of you and president trump running into each other. [laughter] >> is a pentecost pastor was arrested -- a pentecost pastor

was arrested by a base. they detained him. after all these years. , withunch of young people , a group, was arranged. about it.ked me i said, these young people were acting on something they thought was true. all initials of people who are beloved by god. getting back to the beginning, i

think this is where pastor shape and change politics. we could have all of our faith traditions but if we do not put our faith into action we will not change policy. faith, what does that mean? what does that mean? and what are you going to do? in georgetown, you have the odd god squad.e in a serious battle for the soul of this nation and the integrity of faith. those are tied together. >> the individual who said, why do not see color, race, i would say -- then you do not see god's creation.

of the magnificence of god's creation is different. root -- i did not study science but it is at the root of scientific discovery -- ?ow do men differ how do bugs it differ? mammals differ? that is part of god's creative genius, that he can create all kinds of different things. as in the book of genesis it clearly describes. so when someone says, i do not see differences, then my responses -- you do not see creation. >> i get that feedback a lot. some people say i have not seen this, not see that and i say, can you imagine the kind of pain i am trying to talk to about. that is sometimes jarring.

i think we're at the point where the resistance in silence is not only a way of coping with people's it internal stuff but as a real barrier to intimacy. if you choose not to see color, then you choose not to be close know why.i what to would you frame it that way, it is an invitation to come closer or two runaway. african american history museum which i have only been able to get tickets because some of my former students work for you -- laughter] >> but there is one i love, a little silver box someone donated because a great great grandparent, their freedom paper was put in the box and he had to carry it with them always.

for people of color, we think it is our credentials, our patriotism -- but in a sense, we etched onto papers us and people ask us to constantly show them. we have to get to a point where we just think everyone is free, because they are valuable. [applause] >> what a night. i have lots of people i should think but i am not going to. on your program are a couple upcoming things i'm going to highlight. our college ministry, you can go online and sign up for daily reflections which will help you focus the mind and your heart on some of the things we have been talking about, what

faith requires. there are other wonderful programs. evening, our an evente is hosting on faith, the common good, and democracy in a time of president trump and pope francis. it should be a very interesting discussion. we are marking the 50th anniversary of a great jesuit. we have bishop robert mcelroy from san diego who wrote a wonderful book, the obama faith-based director, and the law professor from notre dame rick barnett. andegan in prayer and song had wonderful reflections, candor, passion. inis appropriate we and

prayer. -- we and the program in prayer. a man who introduce was part of the class of 2018 studying history. he is a mentor, counselor, and later in our protestant community here. thisll ask him to ask blessing for us, our panelists, and our nation. please stand. >> as we end our time together, let us take a moment to thank our host. in our world and in our time. please respond to each petition, give us hope lord. let us pray that this dialogue here today be counted for in our community.

that we may come together for common need to and bring an end to that which divides is. may our and evers begin to restore the differences between all of our people and work for the good of all, especially for those from whom much has been taken. made those of counted as little be counted as much and may their lives be an abiding testimony, we pray. let us pray for renewal of our commitment to those society has forgotten. be a sense of personal accountability for their struggles abide and maybe light of love radiate out and heal the , we pray.our nation may we be granted the ability to no in a world where fear longer leads to in justice and selfishness will no longer bring suffering to others, we pray. finally, we ask god to inspire

us to be active participants. to promote these, justice, love, it come one another in the process. we pray. we close our gathering with a was first read by an archbishop of washington, d.c. as invocation to the march on washington for jobs and freedom in 1963. heaven, we who are assembled here in a spirit of peace and good faith and dedicate ourselves and hopes to you. we ask for the fullness of your blessing upon those who have gathered with us today, upon all men and women of good will to whom the call of justice is sacred. we ask this blessing because we are convinced that honoring all of your children we show forth in our lives the love you've

given us. bless the station and all of its people. may the warmth of your love replace the coldness that springs from bitterness. open the eyes of all to the great truth. let us understand simple justice and give strength to our president and vice president, and lightning guide the congress of these united states. may our judges in every court be heralds of justice said only. let just was be disseminated without discrimination. see to it that no one is so powerful is to be above the law or so weak to be deprived of its full protection. to thoseecial blessing men and women who in sincerity and honesty have been leaders in the struggle for justice of races. among the like moses of old, they have

gone before their people to a long of promise. -- a land of promise. let that land become a reality. like the land of freedom with our faith. to consecrate to our surface all in this crusade who are dedicated to the principles of the constitution of the united states. may we be sensitive to our duties to others as we demand from them our rights. may we move forward without bitterness, even when confronted with discrimination. may we shun violence, knowing that violence -- knowing that the meek shall inherit the earth. theavenly father, following teachings of christ her son, we shall now and in the days to come come come together as brothers and sisters and dignity, and justice, charity,

and peace. amen. crowd: amen. music] ♪

[indiscernible] conversation] announcer: c-span's washington journal. live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. theng up, and discussing

future of the daca program, then talking about tax reform efforts and politico congressional reporter along the shore will discuss sexual harassment on capitol hill. the sure to watch c-span's washington journal coming up at 7:00 a.m. eastern this morning. join the discussion. >> this morning, the senate congressional committee continues his coverage of the tax reform program. live coverage online or on the free c-span radio app. >> the senate finance committee began consideration of a bill to change the u.s. tax code. this is the first of what is expected to be a four-day process to amend the tax legislation. this is two hours and 40 minutes.