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"11, discussing the book presidents." and it a conversation about childhood ♪ host: good morning. it is the day before thanksgiving. president trump left the white house to celebrate the upcoming holiday with his family at his country club in florida. he took questions from reporters mostly focused on the latest revelations about sexual assault. the president defending roy moore, the senate candidate from alabama and saying he is happy women in the u.s. are coming forward with accusations against lawmakers and others. that is where we begin on the washington journal. how do we stop sexual misconduct? we want to know your solutions.

men dial in at 202-748-8000, women at 202-748-8001. join us on twitter @cspanwj. we will get your calls in a minute. we learned yesterday the dean of the house, john conyers paid a settlement two years ago to an alleged accuser. charlie rose fired by cbs and pbs after the washington post broke that story. eight women accusing him of unwanted advances. we want to know this morning from you. how do you combat sexual harassment? does the government have a role ? is it a cultural issue? what is workplace sexual-harassment? here's a definition from the government agency that monitors it. requests for sexual favors and conductysical or verbal

of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when it is --conduct that in unreasonable interviews with a work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or just work environment. victim and harassment may be a woman or a man. it does not have to be the opposite sex. it can be the supervisor, agent of the employer, supervisor in another area, coworker or nonemployee. the victim does not have to be the person harassed, but could be anyone affected by the conduct. unlawful sexual harassment may come without unloved -- economic injury to the victim. of aes not have to be sexual nature, it could include suggestive remarks about the person's sex. we will go to tommy joining us in washington, d.c. what do you think? caller: good morning.

i believe we have to start in the schools and start teaching our young boys not to be so aggressive and disrespectful with regards to girls. i think if we do it in the schools, i think we will be better off. host: you think that the education department, federal agency here in washington should make that a rule, a guideline and required to be taught in schools? caller: it would help. i believe they should let -- leave a tweet school system in -- to have because the federal government involved scares me a little that because what if women take over congress? they might -- may want to do away with that guideline? if we leave it to the school systems.

they can do it in a way that is fair and balanced. host: gilbert in birmingham, alabama. what are your solutions? good morning and i'm thankful to c-span for bringing up this topic. my take on this is that old-time values come older women todd young women how to carry themselves. women have never walked in a man's body, it is a natural phenomenon for men to have desire for women. we can all agree with that. and vice versa. when women, with all the cleavage out, the dresses beyond their knees and they expect me not to respond, come on. host: doesn't that imply then that the woman is asking for it so she is to blame? and b that a man can't control himself? >> a bit of both.

tot i'm saying is if we want , we havesociety better allowed lewdness to come to a point where you can't tell the saints from the prostitutes. you are a woman, you know it, you see it. would you be woman enough to tell another woman "it is going too far?" if i see a man, i wouldn't to that. individually to call each other out. these women have gone too far. they get on tv, come on. i'm tired of looking at everybody. host: pat in dallas, good morning to you. what do you make of this so far? caller: good morning, greta.

good morning, c-span. once because a job of sexual-harassment and it was really bad. i've seen it happen. it has happened to me and when you are providing for yourself. i got divorced and i was providing for myself. it is hard to quit a job and get another one. i don't have an answer for it. since theabout it things of come up about roy moore and charlie rose and the different ones. i been thinking about it and i have no answer. i don't know what to do about it. when you are put in a predicament like in congress, those people from what i understand from the media, they have nowhere to complain.

not everyone can just quit a job . where do we go? our dilemma is what do we do. i have no answers. could this be a cultural shift that we are experiencing right now? look at the usa today front page, the headline, fears fade in war on harassment. more women are feeling less afraid and they are speaking out and that could be the change. caller: i hope so. i hope that this does not stop. up.pe that women will stand i think about our election last how and it is beyond me president trump got elected with what came out on access hollywood.

and host:about that -- host: are you happy to see and do you agree with the decision by cbs and pbs that they should fire charlie rose? do you think senator al franken should have to step down? do you think john conyers should have to resign and do you think roy moore, because of these allegations, that he should not be running for the senate seat? caller: i don't think you should be running for that senate seat. host: what about the others? i guess charlie rose. i don't know. accusationshis is and you wonder what motivates wonder evenhen you with roy moore, is this a

democratic deal to take him down? i don't think so, but to -- but do we know? charlie rose admitted that he had done things and he apologized. al franken, he admitted and apologized. i don't know what should happen to these people. i've always watch charlie rose here in the central time zone where i live, he comes on at midnight and i'm up and i'm retired and i've always enjoyed his program. i've enjoyed him on cbs this morning. i was very disappointed to hear and, but he did admit it said he was sorry and evidently he thought it was reciprocal. women -- the these women these washington post said

it wasn't reciprocal. , he hashe admits it apologized, do you think that is enough? i think he needed to go. i think he needed to go. it -- you have to take it on a case-by-case basis and if women will, i'm retired and things were different when things happened to me, i had no recourse. but if women will take that , weurse today and stand up will be a lot better off. host: let's read from usa today.

mckinnon published the book "butterfly politics." this is what usa today writes. trump won the presidency despite accusations by a dozen women of sexual-harassment. but the electoral college doesn't always reflect the zeitgeist. millions of women were mad about the candidate possibly conduct. when he won, they got matter. mckinnon said the election at some the to do with many women coming to the end of our tether about how the sexual abuse of women is trivialized. the director of equal rights advocate for women's rights calls it the straw that broke the camels back. we want to know your thoughts on sexual-harassment. how do you stop it? the president yesterday before he departed washington for florida had this to say when reporters asked him about the latest news about sexual assault. president trump: i can tell you one thing for sure, we don't

need a liberal person in their, a democrat. i've looked at his record, it is terrible on crime. it is terrible on the border and military. i can tell you for a fact, we do not need somebody that will be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad for the second amendment. he denies it. he denies it. if you look at what is really going on, if you look at all the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. he said he didn't happen and you have to listen to him also. you are talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen. i will be letting you know next week. i can tell you you don't need somebody who is soft on crime like jones.

[indiscernible] trump: roy moore denies it. that is all i can say. he denies it. he totally denies it. [indiscernible] trump: women are very special. i think it is a very special time because a lot of things are good for ours society and i think it is very good for women and a very happy a lot of these things are coming out and i'm happy it is being exposed. i don't want to speak for al franken. happened, i what just heard about conyers two minutes ago. as far as franken is concerned, he will have to speak for himself. host: the president yesterday in

a headline but the president's remarks from the new york times, trump depends -- depends more and more and then you had -- defends roy moore. you have this from the new york times. transport canada for the alabama senate seat. this from the washington post this morning. trump comments may signal outside views on more. the republican national committee's decision to pull resources from the state including paid staffers and using party dated target voters. that the rncsign would reverse that course. the senior ministers and officials said the comments were part of a larger effort to close ranks around more. jonestest ad by doug placed that criticism of moore senator richard shelby gave

the aftermath of allegations that he made on advances on teenage girls. here is that add by doug jones? moore's disturbing actions. ivanka trump says there is a special place in hell for people who prey on children i've no reason to doubt the victims accounts. jeff sessions says i've no reason to doubt these women. richard shelby says he will absolutely not vote for roy moore. conservative voices putting children and women over party. doing what is right. the washington post says about that add it is targeting republicans and rebuttal leaning voters make up a majority of the state or the goal is to give them permission to vote for a democrat in the special election. back to our calls. joe in florida, good morning. what do you think? what are some solutions. caller: one of the biggest problems is from the previous

caller is is too partisan of an issue and also quite frankly it when the media a lot. to be upset with donald trump thinks about roy moore and then say is a hypocrite because he talked about al franken is ridiculous. you have an accusation against roy moore versus an actual photo of the groping a woman unconscious. that is illegal, that is a crime. how can we have an honor solution for it when the media is not being honest about it? these are two different issues and i live the duke lacrosse. i live through so many cases where people were falsely accused of sexual crimes. the now to sit here and try to play this accusation is the same thing as an actual assault, the media --

where youe situation .ave over 30, 40 some odd years women should come forward before, but the -- sexism was been sold in the entertainment industry and sex does sell. people have used it to get up the chain of success. it sounds like there are situations where people did not get what they expected from the person now they are accusing and yet absolutely al franken and john conyers should resign because they actually settles and did something. let's not confusion accusation with someone saying that the committed an act. host: what about not just that it is accusations, but the

totality of the accusations coming from more than one woman and that the washington post corroborated their stories and then you have forces as well -- named sources saying police officers in the area saying yes we were told to keep an eye on him when he was at the mall or baseball games. you don't believe any of that? caller: no, it could very well be true. i believe in our justice system. i think everyone has a responsibility to do the same thing. the bottom line is there is no photo of roy moore. the bottom line is there is no settlement of roy moore and the mall situation comedy former manager -- the former manager even said he was not banned as the media attempt to report. the media has responsibility to unite us and be honest. my solution is until we can be honest about the situation and nonpartisan about the situation and not hypocritical about the

situation, then we will never have a solution on this matter. quinnipiac just released a poll where they asked those they surveyed about sexual assault. one question they asked is what do you consider that would you consider voting for a candidate accused of sexual assault? republicans said they would consider, 12% of democrats said they would consider voting for and 20% of independent said that. definitely would not for some accused of sexual restaurant, 41% of republicans said they would not. a 1% of democrats and 61% of independents. 61% of democrats -- 81 percent of democrats and 61% of independents. thatr: i would like to say when it comes down to it, the justice everybody talks about,

there really is none. that is blindy and your scales are tipped which means there is no equality here. i can step into a courtroom and a judge does not have the same -- i don't have the same equal rights as a prosecutor or defense attorney or clerk. there is no equal justice here. when it comes down to is far sexual abuse, it goes far beyond that. it is not just about the abuse. that howu even define you even define prostitution? if it is consensual and i agreed to it, if you give me something or don't give me anything, how is that prostitution? president trump. said in front of the whole world and said i could grab this woman and she will like it.

people laughed at that and they agreed with that. honestly i believe president trump bought his presidency. i believe that president trump just please investigate hillary clinton, please investigate the russians. that is not even being brought up. how do you combat this sexual misconduct? is it a government role or not? is this a cultural issue? doug in maine, caller: you are on. caller:caller: good morning. host: what are your thoughts? caller: i think what everybody hereally missing year -- is that what these men are doing is nothing abnormal, it is instinctually being a man.

when there is and guidance from the holy spirit, this is the way men will behave. morality?ll men lack caller: i think by nature we all do. women and men. women are more chasing of power and money while men have the weakness of sex. everybody knows that. dna -- codename man's code in a man's dna to procreate. host: who is responsible and for stopping unwanted sexual advances? caller: i think it starts in the schools by teaching people, by allowing god and the bible to be taught to children when they are most impressionable, when they can learn.

they are not the captain of the that if you don't have the holy spirit as guidance, you will make mistakes everywhere in life, not just sexual misconduct. every single issue that the bible touches on, when you rely such asown intelligence many in hollywood and in the media believe they are super intelligent, they have super degrees from great colleges. and they rely on their own common sense and smarts, but they really are not. they are just as vulnerable is the guy who barely made it through fourth grade. host: doug's thoughts there. front page of the new york times about the democrat from michigan area 80 years old. the headline of the front page

"top democrats urging -- nancy pelosi senior democrats offered little support to john conyers. the ethics committee had opened an investigation. "any credible allegations of sexual harassment must be investigated by the committee" ms. pelosi said. adding there should be zero tolerance in the house. you have this from usa today that mr. conyers will cooperate with the next fix -- with the ethics inquiry. washington times, their headline paid out oners said sexual allegations does not equal guilt. that is from his statement that he released yesterday where he said in this case i expressly and vehemently deny the allegations made against me. and continue to do so. my office resolve the allegations with the express denial of liability in order to save all involved from the rigors of protracted litigation. that should not be lost in this

narrative. mr. conyers went on to say the resolution was not for millions of dollars, but for an amount that equated to a reasonable severance payment. the detroit free press this morning editorial is out and they say mr. conyers should step down immediately. they wrote this. he has been undisputed hero of the civil rights movement, a legislator of uncommon influence and power and an aging icon with death his felon his wife and sometimes confounding -- have confounded his place in history. the relevant -- revelations of his alleged sexual misconduct and a violation of congressional ethics rules has left him ambiguous. it is type of behavior that can never be tolerated by like -- by in a -- b tolerated in a public official. legacy must his

and. -- his tenure as a congressman must end. disturbed dust disrupted the excepted process to deal with claims against them is a congress and leverage taxpayer funds without the oversight of the ethics apparatus. that is not acceptable. it is a betrayal that breaches the most fundamental trust that exists between a public servant and the people the person represents. even if he could prove he did not make inappropriate advances towards his former staffer, there's no defense for having used dollars from his congressional office to settle the claim. that sort of thing happens in the private sector yes, it should never happen where public dollars and public accountability are concerned. the detroit free press editorial calling on him to step down. frank, fort lauderdale, florida. you are on the air, what do you think. solutions? caller: i came across something like this when i was being

selected for jury duty. i did not get selected because the plaintiff made some challenges during the initial selection of jurors. the issue i brought up was that people could be exposed to hazardous materials and get cancer from them and i know people who have. they would get a lawsuit that averaged according to the magazine, about $90,000. meanwhile they said in a different magazine article that i read, they talked about sexual harassment settlements were around $300,000, which include a lot of different areas of what they were called sexual harassment from out and out assault and rape to telling dirty jokes in the workplace. i said it was inequitable and the plaintiff use their preemptory challenge against me and i did not get on jury duty. i think a lot of this is media driven.

the fact that the legal profession is also effective -- affected in a sense by this issue. it just puts a different light on it. gretchen carlson, don't cut me off away, but gretchen carlson was on fox news. she made some legitimate points, i am not denying the legitimacy of her sexual harassment. but why did she go to work for the wall street journal also owned by rupert murdoch and she could write about asbestos litigation and the difference there? i guess she wanted to be in the limelight. i have some real big questions about this whole thing. host: jacqueline at philadelphia, your turn to share. caller: hi greta. remember,rs old and i i guess i was 14 that we had a teacher that taught photography in junior high school and it was

just passed on by the girls would watch out for mr. michener. happened, he would rub against the girls and i turned around and i looked, i couldn't believe it. but no one said anything. no one said anything. it was a secret and stay away from him in the dark room. which i am now thinking i'm so glad these women are coming out. i'm so proud. it is not an easy thing. i was molested as a child. i know it is not an easy thing to do. some also credit facebook and twitter, the social media platforms that allow people to tell their own story in your own words and you've seen this movement go viral with the hashtag me too. do you think it is a cultural shift? do you think men or women, if

they are accused of this and there is evidence, or they admit it, that they should lose their job? caller: yes i do. yes i do because they are human just like me and i love this me too. because i say me to, i am so proud of these women coming out .nd saying need too -- me too it is very hard to say that because it puts con -- some kind of a shame on the women. i remember being ashamed when i did nothing. host: do you think the movement alone could help combat sexual harassment? yes iyes i do -- caller: do, i love it. i would like to join if i could. be.: you don't have to the women have been sharing their stories of all types on social media platforms. let's go to bill in illinois.

good morning to you. what are your thoughts on this? caller: good morning. you had a poll where you said only 12% of democrats would vote for somebody that they were accused of it. yet when bill clinton was in the process of being impeached for what he did in the oval office. not one democrat vote against that. conyersfranken and john , they both should go immediately because they admitted it. moore should have a hearing. if the ethics committee investigates these guys, it is a good old boys club. they will chastise them, but they won't force them to lose their jobs. the other thing real quick. shouldn the workplace have a whistleblower type of protector or monetary recovery for coming forward.

willis the only way you solve it. i worked at 20 or 30 different jobs. i'm 66. i saw sexual harassment at every job. every job. that is what i would like to say. host: bill, can i share with you before you go? look at the makeup up of the house ethics committee because you said it was a good old boys club. they -- the chair is susan brooks, republican. you have ted deutch, anthony brown, trey gowdy, leonard lance , etc.. do the pictures of those members , does that look like a good old boys club to you? caller: to answer that in a roundabout way is they have already settled with women close to 70 million of taxpayer dollars. if it was -- $17 million of taxpayer money. if it was an ethics committee of

any standing, they wouldn't use taxpayer money. host: i'm not sure they were made aware of these settlements. i don't know if it goes to the ethics committee. itould be worthy -- caller: may not go to the committee, but they read where the money is going and the ethics committee should've have stepped in and said no more taxpayer money to pay for these things. can i say one thing quick? host: yes please. caller: i'm in the state of illinois with the most corrupt politicians in history. every one of the politicians that has been brought up on , they use contribution money to defend themselves. it is ridiculous. the state of illinois cannot afford to go against aaron schock, who has $18 million in his contribution fund if he is using it to defend himself. it is ridiculous. thank you. host: for you and others, to

what you said about the ethics committee should have known about these payouts. here's the headline. capitol hill spurred into action. congress was warned seven years thaty its own office handled sexual complaints that lawmakers were not doing enough to prevent harassment on capitol hill. in regular reports to congress, the office of compliance urged congress to require training for all offices. a recommendation was never adopted. this month, the senate approved a resolution requiring mandatory training on sexual harassment prevention for members and their staff. last week the house administration held a hearing to review its policies on sexual harassment, including required training. a republican in mississippi, the committee chairman, said there is bipartisan support for mandatory training. listen to democratic congresswoman jackie spear, who testified at the hearing. this is what she had to say about the process there is right

now on capitol hill for those who are making a claim against a lawmaker or another staffer of sexual assault. rest of the federal government there is a requirement. there are offices and opportunity you can go to for support. hearing congress, we have a patchwork that is really an appropriate. interns and fellows have nowhere to go. and they are the most vulnerable. if you of complaint, you go to the office of compliance, there you are given in -- given a month in which your supposed to be provided legal counseling which typically tell you -- if you agree to move forward, you sign a nondisclosure agreement in perpetuity and then you going to mediation.

in mediation there's a mediator, there is you and there is the house of representatives general counsel representing the perpetrator. in the most recent case in which i talk to one of the victims, trashed by the house counsel saying you will never be able to work here again. using intimidation. after that mediation is complete, there is a month to cool up. you're to continue to work in that environment. ands an unsustainable indefensible program. host: she also testified at the hearing that we talked about and you can find that on our website. betty in virginia beach, good morning. we are talking solutions to stop sexual misconduct. what you think? caller: please give me a chance and thanks for taking my call. i'm and insist survivor --

incest survivor and rape survivor of two different people. host: i'm listening. go ahead and talk right into your phone. caller: i'm talking right into my phone. can you hear me? host: we can. caller: good. like i said, i had these two things and when the person answered the phone to take my call, i made a suggestion that it should say solutions to combat sexual misconduct. aret of these incidences sexual assault, they are not harassment. i put them in different categories. thing, i wishone they would have more programs instead of keeping on telling the stories about all these people that have done these various things, have not just

this network, but other networks one the people, on -- come the do counseling and know about things because they should teach about for example, as i said i was an incest survivor, i pointed out and that is a very common -- i blanked it out and it is a common thing people do. i was in a group for that. they should explain when they say why didn't they come forward quicker? what if you blanked it out from the age of nine or 10 until you are 39 or 40? caseis a little different in this instance, but i mean, in other words, i think there has to be more education. i -- people who voted for donald trump would mated he is sexually

assaulted women. he admitted with his own face that he is the most hypocritical thing. he really has a hell of a lot -- excuse that word, a lot of nerve to say about al franken. i'm not sticking up for al franken, he did that as well, but what i mean is to come up and blast him when he did weigh more than what al franken is accused of doing so far. host: i'm going to leave it there and show our viewers more from that quinnipiac poll we referenced earlier. they also asked this question. if claims again president trump are true about sexual-harassment, should he be impeached? yes, 88%publicans say of democrats say yes and 59% of independents. disagreed.epublican he should not impeached if these were to be true. 8% of democrats said no and 34%

of independents. sexual harassment, sexual misconduct, solutions for it, that is our conversation with all of us -- all of you. keep dialing in and get your thoughts. we will continue until the top of the hour. the huffington post has this on their website. the banner reading lisa murkowski says she is ok with killing the health insurance mandate. projections suggest millions will lose coverage. senator lisa murkowski cast a decisive dramatic vote to save health care over the summer. the chances of her doing it again just went away. with republicans prevent a vote on tax cuts, murkowski announced tuesday she would not oppose the bill simply because it includes the provision of repealing the of for care act individual mandate. -- the affordable care act individual mandate. she was careful not to promise she would vote for the final tax legislation. she is not ruling it out because

the individual mandate is in there. from the washington times, front page. judge uses trump words to rule against his agenda. judge after judge has used his comments to undercut his travel ban policies and on monday, a judge in san francisco used his words about california sanctuary cities to halt part of the policy. a federal judge in maryland said mr. trump's tweet is a began -- example of bad policymaking even goes -- going as far to put screen captures of his opinion. the next hurdle for mr. trump could be his intense -- content to roll back the deferred action for trial the -- for childhood arrival amnesty. the president may have undercut his own legal argument.

going to the deputy solicitor general california, he told a federal appeals court that this month, that contradicts jeff sessions who argues that daca is illegal. that is the front page washington times. there's this from the wall street journal. jared kushner transition role is being investigated. robert mueller and investigators are asking questions about his interactions with foreign leaders during the presidential transition, including his involvement in the dispute at the united nations in december and a sign of the nature between the special conflicts probe of russian meddling in the election. there been questions about the involvement mr. kushner. kushner in the controversy about you and december 23assed quarter trump took office. you can learn more about that on the wall street journal. uberdline in many papers, with a customer data breach hid

for a year. 57 million accounts breached and uber hid that. you can read more of the stories in the paper. you probably heard in the washington post they have a headline that fcc moves to end net neutrality standards. the plan would let internet providers block websites, charge for faster access. that is in the paper this morning as well. there is this from the associated press. u.s. navy plane crashes in the philippines, three are missing. the navy was saying they had recovered eight so far. online story. mark in washington, good morning. what do you think? what are some solutions? caller: good morning. i want to bring up the fact there were half a million rape kits that were never even processed by our government. so all this grab asked and dirty jokes, i would not worry about

that as much as the rate. es.secute the rap the priests of got away with rate and sexual harassment but we've turned a blind eye. trump said some illegals can be rapists. he is entirely correct. the age of consent in mexico is 12. i would like to point out also that everything is sexualized from old ladies diapers to children's food. virtually every thing is sexualized. the hyper sexualized commercial society. host: could you also believe that citizens of the united states and legal residents of this country can also be rapists? caller: of course. i don't expect somebody from just across an imaginary line to be any less rapists. the idea that 15 million people, none of them are rapists? that is insane. that is virtually insane. the solution, i think buffy the

vampire slayer has figured this out. you punch them in the mouth. host: sharon in pennsylvania. caller: hello. say all children starting at a very young age should be taught basic self-defense in the schools. no one talks about this, pennsylvania prides itself on conservative, religious and yet, the entire of women here and across this nation needs to be addressed right now. you see teenagers going to school in very short shorts. you see women in every professional niche you can name wweith necklines plunging severy

south. skintight clothing. women, stop letting hollywood, new york, whoever dictate your attire. you cannot have it both ways. thank you so much for always appearing so professionally perfect in your address. you set the tone. i wish your professional contemporaries from anger women, -- from anchor women, to weatherpersons, everywhere, please stop this fooling it -- foolishness and start addressing appropriately and professionally. thank you. fargo, north dakota, keith is watching there. good morning to you. caller: my opinion is we need to

how toeaching our kids church,men and even in we need to talk about it and when we have sex education classes in school, we need to talk about it. how to treat a woman decent. that is my opinion. if we don't start, we are never going to stop this. host: should it be mandated from washington? caller: from washington to our senators, you name it. my opinion is it has got to start from washington to stop it because we are the one that put

out the bill that they are the ones that put out the bills and they need to stop it. host: marian in waldorf, maryland. caller: thank you for taking my call. it is key in that the area of prevention is that you should speak up and speak out. one of your earlier caller said he worked on 26 different jobs and he witnessed sexual harassment on every one of them. interesting to me that he never said he spoke up and spoke out to stop it. when wely critical that witness such behavior in the workplace that we speak out to help stop it. the training peas they are talking about, absolutely critical. congress is exempt, i worked the army for 36 years and a great deal of it in eeo. our training was updated and changed. it in change with the laws, but

with congress is exempt from this. should beman said mandated. it already is case law and in the judicial system. to act just say we need and follow the laws, speak up and speak out. the training is critical. you have a right to say stop it. number two, the responsibility and the path it tastes -- takes for a sec are asked. >> do you think these men who have been accused like senator al franken, john conyers, roy moore, should they step down? should they lose their jobs? caller: a couple of things. number one, i think the jury is still out on conyers because i enemythink everything fire to change the statement. without frank and i would like to say this.

to say he made a bad gesture for a joke, it was terrible. the young lady said he touched her but, let me tell you. i don't know how many husbands, fathers, sons will lose their jobs for grabbing somebody. there is a spectrum that i think you have to look at it. example if it set an you said uncles, fathers, sons, you're not allowed to do it anymore and if you do, you will lose your job. caller: one of the things i talked about in the classes is it seems to be something when it's personal. if they are saying al franken was someone's husband, someone son, they are saying are you telling me my husband, my son

will lose his livelihood for grabbing her behind? surely it's not that serious, should be stopped absolutely. -- the solution estimating but does the person out to be forever painted with a brush. we need to do some comparison, we need to make it appropriate to what has occurred. i think we are caught up in the moment now. maybe we can be more realistic. host: a columnist at the washington times disagrees. he says franken should do the right thing and resign. there is no reason to doubt the truth. no ambiguities here at all. democrats should call for the step down straightaway. this revelation is a test of the democratic party's consistency, honesty and decency. that is what was written on his website.

the new york times offers ready nation -- resignation. -- calls for his resignation. , for not bill clinton whom's democrats gladly averted their eyes as he sexually mess -- posted women and he no longer is a vote -- by ousting mr. franken, the party can look as if it did women's issue seriously, which itself is one of the few reasons to vote democratic. push himrty failed to out, the cries of hypocrisy will ring from see deciding she -- she -- see to shining sea. caller: good morning. saide caller from earlier exactly what i wanted to say. i agree with her 100%. i'm glad you have the show going on because the only way to deal with this is to talk about it. to piggyback on one of

the callers about al franken. franken did not admit nothing. i don't think he admitted and a numbing charlie rose admitted. i think they just expressed regret. i'm sorry if i did it to you. but these other guys, roy moore and trump and the president, they flat-out deny it. don't care what the woman feel are said. i think to lose their job, to lose their whole livelihood from misunderstanding, if it is a pattern they should lose their job. but if it is in misunderstanding

, i don't think you should lose your whole life or economic -- your whole life for that. host: one more question from the quinnipiac poll. they asked if roy moore wins the senate seat in alabama, should the senate expel him or not? only 33% of republicans said yes. 49% of republicans said no. , thef democrats said yes senate should try to expel roy moore if he wins that seat. 10% said no. the independents, 50% in favor of expelling, 30% disapprove. cynthia in trinity, texas. hi there. caller: i think it is important that we describe what sexual harassment is because this seems to be modeled. i have been screaming at the tv every time i see when they quit bill clinton's things to sexual harassment. it wasn't.

that was a consensual thing between him and monica lewinsky. actual harassment is unwanted, whatever it is. touching you are into sexual assault. host: let's show our viewers what the definition is from the government agencies that receive claims by this and public claims about sexual harassment. go ahead. caller: are you going to speak again question mark host: we are just showing the viewers what the definition is. caller: the question is how do you fix it. when my daughter, she is 22 now, she was in elementary school, she and a little boy -- a little boy was humming her like on a regular basis. the little boy had a lot of psychological issues i will give you that. the husband and i when we found out, she did not tell right away, we get very upset and spoke to the principal. it took us all the way to the to gettendent's office

the child removed from where she was sitting at her classroom. they didn't want him to do that. it took is about three months to finally get the child removed from the school entirely. the child i was in needs and counseling. when i was in school many years ago, we had civility classes where we learned civility. that was part of the training. we don't train our children that way. my daughter understood it because we fought for her. if you see it, say something about it. don't let a bad behavior happen. if i see it, i will tell you. it happened about 17 years old. it was a my very first job. he was going to teach me to tend bar, took me to a bar, gave me a cocktail. i took a drink and what he was

trying to do, he was going to try and do stuff to me. it did not happen, but we have to start training children when they are little. hit these people in their pocketbooks. they should be the one paying for all of the hush money they want to pay out. ed, not the be fin taxpayer. reference -- there is a fund within the u.s. treasury that pays out these claims. not personal or from the congressional account. some other news about congress. pennsylvania congressman is facing a review by the fbi. the fbi is investigating rather representative robert grady of pennsylvania illegally paid a political opponent $90,000 to drop out of the 2012 primary race.

that is in the new york times this morning. you have from the new york times, a member of congress with kremlin codename. a lengthy piece about dana rohrabacher. for two decades he has been a value to the kremlin. so viable in recent years of the fbi warned him in 2012 that russia regarded him as an intelligence source worthy of a kremlin codename. that in the new york times. the latest on nafta. the u.s. is warning that nafta prospects are dim. u.s., canada and mexico sitting down in mexico city with more negotiation talks in the wall street journal. scott in california, good morning. how do we combat sexual harassment -- misconduct in this country? caller: i have a five step plan to combat this. first we have to accept men and women are different.

evolutionary biology, natural selection tells us women want sex, women want provision and protection. first let's get off of rpc platform. we need to explain the law. even starting young. we need to say this is good touch, bad touch, good talk, bad talk. and role play from an early age. third, we need to teach people how to treat each other. men treating women, men treating men, adults treating children and so forth. then we need to enforce the rules and have a range from very friendly innocent things like al franken is on that end, versus things that are not innocent like sexual assault. finally, this is some and you don't mention, we need to teach the art of seduction. but women don't mind having relationships with

men who approach them in the proper way. that is my prescription. host: catherine, illinois. caller: good morning. host: good morning. i'm a little nervous about this. who married to somebody meets myoes when he female friends, he likes to pull them close to him and kisses them on the lips. at first i didn't think anything of it. after a while and after all this harassment,p about it finally dawned on me. that is so inappropriate. it is so inappropriate. when they do it in the old country. don't know it into this moment

not, is saying is true or but i think women marry you like this, and i'm sure i'm not the world,e in the whole have to confront this and world, have to confront this and say you are not permitted to do that. this is improper behavior parent who don't go around kissing women on the lips and pulling them to you. women don't like it. all i wanted to say. i need to work with my husband him i will be firm and tough otherwise, i am and enable us -- enabler of all of this. to continue this, she should not have accepted that men talk pairs

sorry, but that is not appropriate behavior for women today. women do not like to be treated that way. we have to all speak up, whether whethermarried to one, you are seeing it, it is time women help get over this problem. we do not need to be this way. host: we will leave the conversation there for now. coming up, a short way. about an increase in lone wolf attacks and how to prevent them. beibertarian group will talking about promises versus result achieving limited government.

trump kept up with the white house -- tradition of pardoning a turkey. here it is yesterday at the white house. tosident trump: i would like take an moment to extend our heartfelt and special message, thanks, thanks, folks, to the finest and bravest people in the entire world, our great men and women in uniform, the military -- military, law enforcement, first responders, these are incredible people. thank you. you are far away from your loved ones and you spend so much time away, this thanksgiving, i want each of you to know we are forever grateful for the and thele job incredible sacrifices you and your family's make in defense of our nation, our freedom and our truly great american flag.

i would like to also express my thanks to the wonderful citizens of the country, the people who raiseor our communities, america's children, uphold laws make this, and amazing land into our national home. together and give thanks for the many blessings, we are reminded for the national , we'll all belong to the citizens of this incredible country. as we give thanks for our cherished loved ones, let us renew our bonds of trust and fellowon between our citizens as members of a proud, national family of americans. drumstick, which would be very thankful if we would just get around to the talk,they say enough

please pardon us. i wish everybody a very happy thanksgiving. thank you. wow. big bird. how heavy is that bird. i still so good about myself. drumstick, you are hereby pardoned. [applause]

>> "washington journal" continues. at the table this morning, ,e served from 2002 two 2004 homeland security former c.i.a. augustyn.seph what was the threat like and how was -- how has it evolved. guest: when i was director for homeland security, this was a lasted until the expansion of the department of homeland security on november 25 , 2002. we are almost at the 15 year anniversary. the lone wolf threat, we were

not concerned with the codes we had just experienced 9/11. qaeda andew about al we knew about osama bin laden, andnew they were coming, when it happened, it was the we began to realize wewere not as prepared as should have been for homeland security. everything we had done previously had been offshore. this one hit us hard. we didn't have think about homeland security didn't have to think about infrastructure. we made it up as we went along.

locally unprepared. the thing about lone wolf at a time as a terrorist threat was secondary, big attack was coming. >> before 9/11, you are at the cia for 20 years. what were you doing then. guest: i was clandestine service officer for 21 years in the cia. i was not doing counterterrorism until 9/11. 9/11 changed everything. it made us read tank things. i dropped my cover and was asked to be the deputy soaps -- associate director. or this thing called homeland. . many of your viewers will recall.

when i first heard it, it was foreign to me and foreign to everyone. tom ridge was in the white house as the homeland security advisor. we would make up homeland security p tom was doing for the was doing ittaff for the intelligence community. was clandestine service officer thrown into the homeland security hit if you will immediately following 9/11. host: given your history in the country's history of not focusing necessarily on this homeland security threat, what

are your thoughts on where we are today with lone wolf attacks ? why are we see more and more of them? >> let me put it in perspective real quick. terrorists had 19 who brought united states to its knees. previous 20, 50, 100 years, we had adversaries like the soviet union and now russia and china. no one brought the united states to its knees but 19 people dead and that shows the power of terrorism. it as ito deal with came up in terms of lone wolf, al qaeda and cia at the time was an easier target than is isis if you will. al qaeda was well-planned and

well thought out, posture in terms of how they conduct iconic attacks. there were threats every day against new york city again. there was the 1993 bombing of the world trade center but 9/11 happened in yet al qaeda was still planning on attacking the new york cityand as well as other major cities around the country. what we were looking at and what i was asked to do among other things was, for the first time, to share information with state and local law enforcement, and this gets to lone wolf eventually, but for the longest time, the cia and the intelligence community never dealt with state locals. there was no need here at everything we did was overseas.

now, the cia was collecting ,nformation in places overseas pakistan, afghanistan, and syria, that could be directly relevant to the safety of u.s. cities. asked to go and meet with law enforcement officials and chief of police around the country to find a way to share information we were collecting overseas that was now important to them. host: we just saw in new york a crowdedrive into a place killing people. we have seen this a lot in europe with lone wolf attacks. will we see more in the united states? >> unfortunately we will, that is my opinion. where are we now? for all intents and purposes, we defeated isis, or it is

certainly a shadow of its original self. what happens to isis fighters, there are approximately 6000 fighters that went to syria and to fight.n 150 from the united states united states to fight. now that isis has been decimated in that part of the world, these people are coming home. that is what i worry about. playbook forthe any isis participant is to wreak havoc, create hysteria, and inflict casualties. we will have many more lone .olf's out there i don't think the threat is gone. terrorism is a very powerful tool. after 9/11, 19 people did this

to us and we spent billions of to counteract this. how do you stop a lone wolf? we can make it harder for them to be successful but to be honest, there is no stopping a lone wolf in all cases. , our joseph augustyn expert here taking your questions about lone wolf attacks. good morning. you are on the air. what is your question or comment for our guest? caller: what i want to say about isis, what about the white supremacists, the police and the military, and what about the militia? what do they think about the ways -- white supremacists -- they are more threat to america than isis.

far -- the far right? -- host: i think we hear your point. guest: it is a valid-- host: i think we hear your point. guest: it is a valid point. for the last 15 years, we have heard about how many casualties in the united states caused by terrorism, we have white supremacists and church shootings in sutherland-- host: springs, we have these kinds of attacks and of course we are concerned about them. the reality of the situation as terrorism brings out and emotion because it is based on political and often times and it causesefs

that wer ration emotion see with white supremacist killings and mass killings. at the same time, it is a approach and aof different kind of emotion attack from a terrorist here and of course we are concerned about lone wolf's and of course we are concerned about ultra-right and far right mass shootings. at the same time, it is like law enforcement. try to do the best you can to eliminate these kinds of threats . at the same time, you cannot bat 1000. host: cleveland ohio, democrat. caller: good morning america.

i was a bit confused about the topic because i did not know whether they were talking about homegrown -- homegrown lone wolf's or immigrant lone wolf's. but thinking back to all of the white supremacists walking around, it took over the whole city with two he torches and and inng racial stuff statedhe fbi gao report the kkk and whites of them polices infiltrated departments and law enforcement nationwide. i look at these unarmed black people dying at the hands of police.

i do not know what kinds of psychological tests they give to police. i am not sure what kind of training they get -- host: i think we are going down a different road here. do you have a question? ramzi yousef was the immigrant terrorist who blew up new york when clinton was president. host: what do you think of that. guest: i am not sure that the -- what the question is. host: her comments were similar to the first caller. you know, we're in a very different -- difficult part of our history in the country. we are seeing lone wolf terrorist attacks all over the world and we are seeing lone

wolf terrorist attacks in the united states. we sought in june of 2016 in orlando at the pulse nightclub. in san seen it bernardino. we saw it in new york recently. a lot of these things intermingle with the kinds of thenstrations and activities we see like in charlottesville, you know, like in berkeley for demonstrations. it is a matter of, we are getting overrun and arrived by these kinds of activities and in we are in a difficult and unique face in our history. we react to things just like homeland security policies that

we put together, the united states has since 9/11. it is more reactive than proactive. have angs we have done in reaction to key events that have occurred. 9/11, we created the transportation security menstruation in november of 2001. allowedhat because we 19 terrorists to get through our security. we had an anthrax scare in 2001 as well. we created by a watch, another reaction. in manysystem deployed cities around the country to look for pathogens released into the air. that was a reaction in december of 2001. tried the shoe bomber who

to light his tennis shoe. on a voyage from paris to miami. we now take the shoes off when we go to the airport. in 2006, a major liquid bomb plot in london. before itb was done happened but these people were putting liquid explosives and bottles that were meant to be put on airplanes. a plot to take on 10 to 13 airplanes at one time. we now can't take liquids on airplanes. everything is a reaction. and seeear about these what happens in charlottesville and around the country in terms

of demonstrations, we look to police to act -- reactor that a learn what is going on. crating the policy, it is often trial and error. i think we are getting better and local law enforcement is getting better but we are challenged every day. york, lineny in new for democrats. thanks for the opportunity and the honest retrospective of the events of 9/11. 11 days prior to 9/11, a french pilot protesting landmines had flown a motorized parachute into the statue of liberty and this was just 11 days prior to the attack of 9/11. jets were scrambled within 10 but on 9/11, there seemed to be a stand down. i would ask greta, there was a

report on on the new york times and matthew on may of 2004 it takes air-traffic controllers made a 9/11, they had been destroyed. if you read in the document, it hadts out the controllers made a tape recording just after the event and the insurance manager, the supervisor, had destroyed the tape, spreading them throughout the faa center, seven months later and this was certain -- substantial evidence pertaining to the event. involvement is more intimate than i can reveal, but we had 90 minutes lead time on the planes leaving the runway. as soon as the transponder was turned off on the first planet hit the first tower, they had up to 90 minutes to intercept the planes and there was a standdown order. , because you said

you were aware these attacks were pending, my best buddy told me they knew something was going to happen during that week. host: let's get an answer. guest: that is a really good point. let me say this. i am not aware of tapes being destroyed and yes, we were aware . the cia was aware that osama bin laden and al qaeda was coming to the united states. have asked me the question over the last 10 years whether we could have prevented 9/11. it is up for debate and there is no real right answer to that. i allege and what i believe the united states could not have prevented 9/11.

as someone said many years ago, it is difficult to prevent something that never happened. never been attacked that way in the united states in the homeland. i don't dispute what the caller said. host: even the standdown order? guest: i don't know about it. is this thing i can say had never happened before and my guests, and it is only a guess, .t was not viewed as an attack i understand transponder's were

turned off but it was a hard f-15s toy mind to send divert these planes away from could youse and prevent sending that is never happened before? it is a hard one. host: virginia, independent. caller: good morning. i would like your honest opinion and what you think, that the world -- the word terrorism completely defines that and also, where does islam fit into .his word you say lone wolf attacks and you never mention last biggest attack. as a terrorism. i may. question if could please respond,

why, all these other countries when they have these kinds of attacks, when they have these say thesey they don't attacks are being done by islamic terrorists were just like pakistan, it is another country that had suffered more than any other country in the world right now at the moment. they do not say this because of islamic terrorism? caller: they do not. guest: i am not sure i agree with that comment. what i have been able to concern in -- discern in the last 12 some ofo two years is

these european countries have referred to these attacks as radical islamic attacks. for example, the german intelligence service, came up about six or eight months ago saying that islamic terrorists had infiltrated some .f the refugee movements in france last week, they said 18,000, inhabitants now on their watch list, many of them said they were islamic terrorists. being surveilled, meaning there is a lot of room for error and attackers.ential

agree, islamic terrorists, there have not been rough -- references to many overseas. happenedok at what , these were islamic terrorists and referred to by the u.k. by islamic terrorists. host: in maryland, a democrat. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, thank you for it -- thank you for taking my call. some of us were more affected by races and then terrorism. someone can get fired for being

fired for sexual assault. opinion, what should be done for someone who is a racist? what punishment? who assaults sexually. guest: someone who is arrested? host: someone who is a racist. guest: what the punishment should be? look, there is no room in america for racism,. commit ameone were to racist crime, in my opinion, should be prosecuted to the full limit of the law. so you know, for me, that is a simple answer to a simple question. there is no tolerance for that.

>> good morning. i just got through reading a book by william entitled, one , about an emt attack on the united states. i'm wondering if the guest would have an opinion about how ready attack orprevent an to survive an emp attack. guest: electronic magnetic pulse. is a doomsday attack scenario. it has been referred to mostly with our situation in north korea of late. the doomsday scenario is that north korea sends up a satellite

someplace and then sends out an electronic magnetic pulse that hits all of our electrical power eradicatesstops and to do anything. i askednot run, etc. this of an expert last week. i am told about 20 or 10 years u.s. had an accidental emp over hawaii. we were doing testing and i understand the attack did happen. i am not a scientist or an

expert, but what i have been able to learn is this is a difficult thing to do. missile that can carry this nuclear device to a very high altitude and then it has to record knitted in a way that sends the emp, first of all you have to get the target parody have to make sure it is over the u.s. difficult to do in itself. by colleagues of mine who know this better than you would take more than one satellite to initiate -- initiate emp over the united states. i understand it could take at three of my devices.

to have any great respect, it is a doomsday scenario. it is possible and we are looking into it. we know if it is being lost for that purpose, while at something i think we need to be concerned deserveso not think the attention it is getting in some circles. tech -- georgia, line for democrats. caller: joseph, i was wondering , if youave considered look at the history of how we enemies, for example

isis, and what can remediate the association these people have created for themselves working with terrorists. guest: repatriating these isis fighters, denmark, for example, it is currently leading the way creating an environment by which whoeintegrate its people had left to fight isis. is a policy that

needs to be done but it is a long road and a tough assignment. what devices do? on a feeling based by many of the volunteers that they need a cause and they need something to believe in. i think our caller probably has her it appeals to people who think they are doing good for society in many ways. we are also talking about a group of people who are disillusioned and we are talking causepeople looking for a . it is a long process. it is something we need to think about.

where we are and what progress we made. you, i want to thank joseph augustyn, former homeland serves 28 years in the cia. thank you for coming on in answering the questions this morning. a short break and promisesome back, versus results and achieving government and later, ending childhood -- we will be right back.

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student or team with the best overall entry. for more information, go to our website at studentcam.org. at our table, author ivan eland, the author of this book -- thes the senior fellow of liberty fellow institute which published this book. first of all, and what are you getting at? >> we cover all forms of public policy and we have a washington office. there has been a lot of difference between presidential reputation and actual results about what they did.

i took the presidents in the last 100 years and evaluated them as to how well they did. nine republicans and two democrats. the democrats are more conservative democrats carter and clinton. republicans were harding, coolidge, herbert hoover, eisenhower, virtually all republicans up through and including george w. bush. i have not evaluated trump yet because it is too early. host: you put them into categories. guest: based on proto-libertarian, or the .overnment talk like reagan the libertarians were more like coolidge, etc.in

host: moderately progressive. , and richard ford nixon was the last progressive president before barack obama. it is not really go with what you think with the parties. host: you mentioned george w. bush also in that category. out about theind actual policies versus legacy? conservatives fondly remember reagan but he increased the size of the government as a percentage of gdp. any in worldest of war ii. got too big in six

.ut of his eight years he raised taxes 11 times in six years. he would do this in very obscure parts of the tax code. he was more pro-government programs in certain areas than is commonly remembered. host: reaganomics? guest: he did cut taxes but he did not cut taxes. we have atlloons, also was george w. bush. passes, taxes are easy to cut spending is not easy to cut. wey are starting to say now will have to have entitlement reforms but the entitlement

programs are hard to cut. people love them, a lot of older , they consider that a program that helps them. arepromises to cut spending usually just that. our deficit is going up and the deficit accumulated into the debt. when george w. bush cut taxes, clinton had run a surplus and cut the deficit into a surplus here it now have a huge deficit already. 600 billion debt per year. george w. bush and obama, george w. bush created the deficit and thea increased it after procession.

down considerably but of course, it is still big. if we go into this without cutting spending, we will be in the same position. if you want to increase the government, or you need to do is do the opposite, run government surpluses and pay down the debt. that used to be the old-school republican like eisenhower and carted -- carter and coolidge. ever since reagan got the supply-siders, i consider tax collectors for the welfare state, they say they will pay for their taxes, which has never happened. we have got to get back to old-school republicans where we have to cut spending. did isng obama strangely

he cut everything across the board. some of the entitlements were presented and he thought he never had to use it. he thought this was like a sledgehammer. a republican congress. agree on cuts, we will have to use the decision role. it is often an effective way to cut the budget. that is what we have done since 2011. restraining the deficit. conversation,our achieving limited government. looking across 11 administrations, we are taking questions and comments about the, dial in about government taxes and policy as well for these presidents. book,ite in your

of a post-world war ii president, democrats have restrained government spending as a portion of gdp significant -- significant in more than republicans are democrats as a percentage of gdp, and you write federal debt as portions of gdp whereas republicans have increased both. which democrats are you talking about? >> we had attempted budget cutters in the case of carter. was the budget cutter as far as cutting government spending as a portion of gdp. he was the only president to actually reduce federal spending per capita in the country. of course we cannot leave out some republicans, coolidge and eisenhower also cut the budget. we have republicans who have done that as well. it is not saying the democrats have done a wonderful job all but i think the

democratic administrations have had better economic growth. if they had more conservative economic policies in the traditional sense than republicans have, particularly reagan. good morning and thank you for taking my call. ask, i have seen usually thengs, deficit goes up. we know you just mentioned about bill clinton. we have a surplus and that goes back to george w. bush and we went.here it i don't understand why a republican always loves to say we're going to give americans a deficitand we know the

understand where the notion, do they not understand, if they want to cut the deficit, we need to use what we have and invest the roads. question, you missed barack obama on the list. if you haven't done anything -- guest: i will answer the first -- the last question first. i did not evaluate obama because he did not pledge to cut government. i just evaluated 11 presidents in the last century who promised small government to see how they did.

jfk, the democrats are left out of the equation simply because they did not promised small government. democrats, back to the first question, why do republicans do this, no one ever lost an election on increasing the deficit. , it people are really doing , thesehere is one ad people rack up the deficits. and are kids and grandkids they are young and not even born yet. people of government programs. host: can anyone promise cutting

government without medicare social security? guest: you can do that but the account keeps shrinking in the budget and the entitlements are on autopilot. the entitlement means the government pays out if anyone qualifies for the program, the government pays them. retire, theyoomers have expanded these programs and eventually, it starts to impact defense spending and everything else. effectively cut the deficit and pay down the debt if you have huge entitlement programs. republicans are mumbling some about entitlement reform. so did reagan and george w. bush and it never happened. that is a problem.

cutting taxes are easier to cut and spending are not. if a republican came in and was committed to doing that above all else and started during the effectiveness, usually the first year, and that was his goal and he said we are not cutting taxes and we can have tax cuts eventually but you have to cut spending first and if you cut the spending, you can eventually get around it maybe after you run a surplus for a few years and pay down the debt. it is difficult politically and that person might not get a second term. host: new jersey, independent caller. caller: i disagree with you referring to medicare as creating welfare programs. employees pay in 7.65% of their

it.and the employer matches person and iployed have been paying 15 point 3% of my income into social security and medicare for the past 25 years. i therefore do not agree with you equating that to a welfare program. it seems to me that even you as a libertarian, if you were in a -- bought into an insurance company and paid in for 25 years and the time came to collect on the policy and someone said to you that we need to cut welfare spending, you might have something to say about that and you might disagree. there are ways to address that situation with the social security system. you could raise the cap on the people paying in. dirtyyears old, it is a trick when i have the paying all my life to say that this is like welfare and we have to cut somewhere.

there are any number of some places where you could cut. host: i want to take her point. guest: i think everybody wants someone else to cut something else. people do not like to lose their home mortgage deduction when they do tax or farm and do not like to lose farm subsidies when they are farmers. but medicaid and medicare and social security are the biggest entitlement programs we have. welfare butll them they subsidize certain people and other people have to pay more. certainly, the programs, you do have to pay into it. fdr designed them so they could never be taken away because people had a stake in them. it does not mean they are necessarily equitable. the payroll taxes, benefits are mildly progressive. these programs are an inefficient way to do retirement but unfortunately, that is what we have. they will have to have some sort

of reform the matter what we call it. there are all sorts of welfare programs, small business subsidies and a lot of defense programs can be put into the category that we do not need and we should probably get rid of. corporate welfare, etc. ,hen we say welfare programs all we really mean is that benefits and contributions do not really match up very well. therefore, these programs will have to be performed at some point. it will not go away. this keeps getting bigger and swallowing up portions of the budget. i am not suggesting we pull out the rug from under them but gradually, we have to do something with the program and politicians treated as a third where -- third rail. >> good morning, i have a couple of comments.

when you talk about social senator, how, a u.s. qualifies for a $16,000 per year , but my more important question was to this gentleman and many of the people you have .n this show in my lifetime, and i'm 70 years old, we have never had a balanced budget. bill clinton did not have a balanced budget any year he was in office. they took social security overages and balanced the budget with social security. true inhat is probably a certain sense, but clinton did the best as far as cutting spending. he cut spending as a portion of gdp and that is the key statistic that we want to use as a portion of your gdp.

up but there is more people and more economic activity in the country and that to say that bill clinton was not at budget cutter is simply not true. he had an advantage that the over, but hebeen could have taken the money and put it toward other things. you talk about energy and environment policy. what did you find about what impact they had on the government? energy and environmental programs impact the government and a lot of the energy programs hidden -- hidden subsidies. they induced a lot of inefficiency into the system and may or may not have the desired effect on the

environment. the problem with most voters and i realize i have to analyze people have because real lives and kids and grandkids, whatever, jobs, mortgage, etc., but a lot of people say, liberal say we need to spend more money on to mystic programs and the conservatives come in and say we need to come spend more money on defense and less on those programs. spendingink if you are money on something or regulating it, that it is being done properly. congress over the years has delegated a lot of power to these administrative bureaucracies. they have done that on purpose. the regulations are unpopular. they can say, we do not know this was happening.

to make the laws broad and give a lot of power to the administrative agencies. sometimes they are insulated from the popular will. host: george, greenville, mississippi, a democrat. caller: yes. where is the large portion of far as theoing as debt we have? is it going toward military, bridges, roads, education, or his money being spent for farmers? let's take your question. guest: the budget has shifted. the early part of the 20 century, most of the federal budget was defense and security related. entitlements were putting in a new deal after the fdr administration. entitlements are swapping everything else.

we have programs that are still a factor but the sequestration, i am probably the only person in washington who likes sequestration. sacrificeas to make a because we have 20 chilean likely of debt and it is to be a tax cut. it is interesting that republicans can sell a tax cut that is 1.5 chilean dollars right off the bat. they said growth would pay for that but it has never happened. you have to do something about this. we have subsidies in all parts of the budget. i think the decision rule is the best way to do it. we all have to sacrifice on the

account. >> rob, a republican. isi believe there misinformationaccount. . he seems to be more on the democratic side. they should legislate -- legislated be on the role in the congress or the senate. when he got out of office, it was $19.9 trillion. how did he think thehow did he t that he doubled the federal deficit. , openinge one democrat pandora's box where we have this today. fdr.ederal deficit

they would do a terrible job running the government. newt gingrich should get tapped on the back. the contract of america by bill clinton -- it was the contract with america and newt gingrich, republican. that is all i have to say. >> i would agree with the caller in some respects. however, bill clinton of you want to go back to him, newt gingrich did help bill clinton cut the deficit and eventually run surpluses. years, no first two clinton had a democratic congress and cut the budget when newt gingrich was opposing him in the congress. not for democrats, we

highly three presidents, warren harding and calvin -- calvin policies andcal the federal government as a portion of gdp. of course death is piling up. deficit and that is a different thing. it is a different measure but absolutely obama increase the government and the bushes were horrible and that regard. independent. meler: thank you for hearing to her two observations. i have heard a lot of people doplain congress ought to this or that or congress does not do this or that. and a house elected

has elected every two years in the senate elected every six years and it is a people who vote for these and show up at the polls and vote for these folks and never seem to vote them out of office. that is why congress does whatever it does. another observation i would like to make is so many people follow up what the woman said earlier to distinguish between true entitlements, supported by taxes, payroll taxes for like medicare and social security, levied against people's gross earnings, lower , andngs, gross earnings welfare, simply a response to political pressure. guest: there is a distention

between contributory entitlements and welfare. 80% of government is to nonpoor people. if you are calculating that up, we have the first point that the caller made, i think is absolutely thinks their yone congressman or senator is great. they think congress as a whole dead. they may know their congressman, on t.v. and them members of congress are able to work in districts and we've seen the offices and time and expand over

congress spends less time on policy and oversight and more on helping people out with massive bureaucracy we have in washington now. so i think that is the way they by re-elected in districts, bringing home the bacon, either bringing home the pork for projects or doing constituent services. so the problem is exactly what the caller says, we keep same people back to ongress and fewer and fewer competitive districts, both republican and democrat. ou really have to say that the entire political system has become less competitive and i the that is bad for country. host: okay, from darline in baton rouge, louisiana. to you.ning caller: good morning. eah, concerning the people electing their representatives. the people aren't electing their representatives, the

gerrymandering is out of control to i would invite people investigate who trump is about of ppoint to be in charge the census, so they can more so to it benefit the republicans. former aking as a republican since reagan. donald trump disgusted me so i turned to register independent. what's been going on since then in, i'mvinced me to dive going to register as a democrat. to call e ashamed yself a republican with the thievery, the theft, the welfare to entitlements are going the top 2% -- darline, is thattan rack at description or characterization of republicans,

do you think? guest: well, i think we don't now what the republicans are really about anymore. we have the populous wing under trump and the establishment wing these two parts of the republican party and the different thanch conservatives. you have, especially on trade things, business type the business community, i don't think is really nervous about singling out particular know, ies for, you criticism, etcetera. plays to see how that ut and i think that certainly this turmoil in the republican a ty is also matched by certain amount of turmoil, probably less in the democratic wing but also a populous there, the bernie sanders' wing and the establishment democrats, as well. so, you know, we have a populous movement and i think a lot of it is, you know, over time, vested

have had their nest feathered here in washington. think there is legitimate populous argument, but i think solutions populous are not great, like cutting off trade with other countries, or least reducing it, other types of nationalism, which we don't want to go down that road. host: ivan eland is our guest, of the book "eleven presidents: promises vs. results in achieving limited government". also senior fellow at you can nt institute, independe ne at independentinstitute.com. we'll take a break and turn our childhood hunger with lucy melcher on no kid hungry.

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hungry. thank you for being here. tell us about this organization, people, just me remind our viewers what share our strength is. guest: sure, anti-hunger organization and through no kid working to end childhood hunger in the united states by working with local partners ons and across the country to make sure we're breaking down the barrier healthy ave access to meals at home and during the school day and of course during the summer months and when not school, as well. host: hungry in our schools, how kids in america are going hungry and what to do about it, from august. takeaways?the key guest: i think we saw hunger is a problem in our schools across country. we see teachers saying kids are coming to school too hungry to learn. when they show up, especially monday mornings, if we think about this thanksgiving week, so kids will be out of school from today through monday, they

access to ng to have important meals. one thing we found in this eport is that teachers consistently say when kids have access to breakfast, part of the eating ay, kids are together, that sets the tone for successful school day and successful kids. know that making sure kids have access to programs at school is the best thing we can raise the next generation of healthy, productive kids. found.this is what you one in six kids in america facing hunger, 11 million children. people think of hunger as something that affects children neighborhoods, hunger affects children in every community. absolutely. host: many americans are one minor crisis away from disaster. of low income families say it would be difficult to feed children if they experienced $1500 car repair or medical bill. most families that need help are noochlt -- 92% of

working families, one adult works full time, part multiple jobs. what is congress doing? ow much money is allocated for the feed the children programs, school lunch and school breakfast? guest: yep. couple different questions you asked there. i think a couple of important things. the suite of child nutrition programs that help kids include they access rogram school breakfast, after school meal, school lunch program and programs that feed kids in summer and snap, a program that groceriesilies to buy to feed kids and themselves year round. separate three programs, set of different programs congress deals with differently. is starting gress to consider the farm bill, a huge piece of legislation that year, a portion deals with snap and snap benefits. one thing that congress can do continue to strengthen that program, improve that program.

most striking the things you mentioned in our report is that more than families are one unexpected disaster away from their ng able to feed kids. we found one cost of about what if you think about that means, average cost of replacing a car transmission is going to the emergency room for a broken arm, so one like that can put family necessary a situation where they are going to need benefits and benefits.se making sure we have a strong safety net for kids, for families, for seniors, even for veterans, something we don't there bout all the time is 1.5 million veterans who rely on snap benefits everyday. making sure programs remain strong is number one ask for fund ss, continuing to them, strengthen them and make sure they are there for futures to come. agriculture department oversees the programs, according

usda, there is approximately 71 billion allocated in 2016 for stamps and americans using the program since in june, 41 americans. guest: yeah. so i think what is important, when we think about the numbers, on them, we've seen that number declining in recent years. recession, when there were so many people who you eeded additional resources, jobs were lost, people facing tough time, we saw the number ncrease and ever since then seen it continue to decline month over month, good news and hows strength of the program and ability to sort of expand when we need it, expand for fall es that might be intoing hard times and contract again. that number continues to climb see that.ect to host: how effective are the program? success?u measure guest: great question. they are incredibly effective. we think about the school just to take ram, one example. onsistent studies show kids

that have access to good nutrition at school do better in the classroom. shows kids with access to school breakfast score 17.5% on math joseph augustyns. the sort of opposite of that, we now when kids come to school visits we see hear more to the nurse's office, tardiness, attention issues in a lot of re have been studies that show connections between kids that grow up in the size of their brain and how their brain grows over time. that when kids have access to programs, there is a lot of research out there, that them out of poverty, kids have access to snap have higher chool graduation rates, there are connectionsng, clear between access to programs and success graduateing from school and success in life. florida, in independent caller, you're up

first for this conversation. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, sir. in florida here and i see a lot of kids getting the he school buses in afternoon and come off and they look like stair steps and their are there waiting on them and generally there is four in one family, and most of them under the age of 10. mother is there waiting on them. and these arenant the ones that are getting free meals, free housing assistance, and i don't ng understand why if they cannot of the o take care children they already have, why children.inue to have host: lucy melcher, what are your survey results find? guest: sure. lot nk there's probably a of different issues to unpack in the question you just asked. i appreciate you asking that question, ron. when i think of it and talk to families across the country, i

want to think about the kids. kids you saw getting off the school bus, what this comes down sure those kids and their families have access to nutritious meals they need so off that school bus every single day, they're nourished, well ready to do homework and succeed down to, when es you look kids in the eye, that is our future generation, this making sure those kids have access to resources and heir families, as well, to succeed and to move forward and i think especially this thanksgiving season, we want to mindful those are the children that really are the future of our country and we make sure they have the food they need to succeed? ost: we want to encourage viewers to join this conversation, especially teachers and parents, with this.hts about democrats, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002.

go to twitter at c-span wj, or facebook.com. what is happening around the country on the state level? question.eat so much exciting work happening at state level on this issue. leadership mazing from governors across the country, who have really taken issue on. they see these issues, i think f governors often, executives as their own state. they know that kids in school today are the future leaders of state. we've seen in several states, in mexico, , colorado, new governors er states, take legislation to make sure every kid, especially in high access to ool have breakfast as part of the school day. as a result, we've seen states nation in kidshe that are accessing school breakfast, really strong leadership. the dc area, we have amazing leadership from governor and first lady

mccullough, champions of our ork, as well, strong leadership. i think what is exciting about the leadership at state level so bipartisan. governor and first lady andoval, in nevada, incredible champions of this work, we've seen this issue sort of cutting lines and cutting through so much noise happen washington and real focus on kids and states, great leadership there. janet in plainfield, illinois, line for republicans. you're next. hello there. host: good morning to you. to the i was listening gentleman talking about seeing children getting off the school etcetera, i substitute in district, and il the e breakfast program, lunch program, that's great. you do want to have your kids so they can morning listen to what you're saying so

they can learn. but i'm simply making a comment, decadene this for over a a this kind of goes along little bit with what he said. i go down one side, here is the side of the argument. speciali'm going to the is another sxofs there woman coming to substitute. hair gorgeous, nails gorgeous, verything gorgeous, she's a parent going to be an aid for the day. we get on to tell me, to chatting while waiting. she tells me she has 12 children. this is the scottland area. kids. she's going to aid for the day. doesn't have a husband. kids. i figured out exactly how much per kid.etting and this is one of the problems.

how to deal with situations, we want to feed all of our kids, nobody will say anything about that. nine four children and grandchildren and every single one of them is special and has eat. host: janet, we hear your point. on howthere restrictions much one person can receive in these benefits, one family? guest: sure. the benefit level for programs like snap are set by a amily's income and their assets. that is certainly tailored to the number of people in their household, as well. yes, there are. when a family applies for snap benefits, there is a very application they go through to make sure the benefit reflects the situation that feeling. host: to california, edward, a democrat. yeah, hi, i'm calling because i wanted to comment on saying, lucy.

nutrition rted a program at our school and we had a free breakfast program because our kids are mostly low income. nutrition program was so kids that, you now, they would take more than extra juice and, you know, this was after breakfast. -- our 't know if our kids have a lot of energy, i -- it was if it's like, they really were still -- ry, but host: everyone picked it up. ucy melcher, did you find in your survey, the meals provided at school are the only meals these kids are getting? guest: for some kids. it depends. we found meals at school are so their families are struggling overall.

snap benefits are really familys to make sure they can put dinner on the table when kids get home from school. see far too many kid, meals they are getting at school may be the only meals they are during the day. and, you know, that meal to that child is a really special thing thing we k one consistently see, especially when kids come back from school fall, when they have been out for several months over the summer, school meals go away, a wonderful program in the summer that is so important in feeding kids, but unfortunately, far too few kids have access to the program and we see during the school year, beginning of the school year, that kids that have missed on meals are falling behind and coming back to school excited to be there, both to learn, but also pause they know a place they can get healthy meals during the day. host: gary in fletcher, north independent caller. caller: yeah, hi. my mom worked everyday, single

up and nd mother, got went to work, i went to school n. those days we took lunch with us. my mother invested maybe their for a week. i would have either a ham andwich, chicken salad sandwich, bologna, cheese, she orange row apple, pear, in the box, we had thermos bottles. was like $12, you could feed me for a week. have change. e start programs and giving stamps, t-cards and they are not learning to use the feed appropriately to their children. when you start these programs, becomes an easy way out of having to get up and make a box.h host: okay, let's have lucy melcher respond.

guest: yeah, i think you've important point there, in addition to receiving the great ts, one of things that program, snap provides is nutrition education. within the ortion snap budget that provides funding for community nutrition ns to do education programming so families have access to that. program called cooking matters, it operates across the country. empowerss families and them how to go grocery shoping and stretch those dollars. too low, it dollar is we need to do more to increase it. we know when families go to the store and participate in nutrition education program, they learn to stretch authorize to go further. when they participate in cooking class that teaches them simple buy whole how to chicken and cut it up, rather than buying parts of chicken, couple l save you a dollars here and there, those are important deals families can be able to stretch

authorize to provide as many eals for their family as possible. host: pam is next, in maine, excuse me, nebraska, republican. pam. caller: hi. i know a lot of people that have get ittle credit card to their grocerys and i know we've all stood behind them in line don't have ds maybe shoes on, but the mom does. chips and cookies. training y nutrition should be mandatory, not accessible, i doubt a lot of cooking e taking a class. the wic program is a wonderful program. milk, ides vouchers for for juice, for nutritious food, a on't think anyone has problem supporting those problems. i think all food stamps should designod that level, vouchers for nutritious foods, you get whatever they need to know to preserve it. but it o prepare it, shouldn't just be a credit card to go buy chips and pop and that argument, kids shouldn't be

some fun ice and creams and things like that, but i don't knowbe and why there can't be cooperative effort that includes when you that are around everywhere, food commodity programs. school has lunch and breakfast, our local farmers it's -- it i mean, does take a community and not necessarily the federal government. host: okay. lucy melcher. guest: yes, great question there. first of all, couldn't agree the wic program is a critical, important program, the rogram that provides resources to low-income pregnant women and 0-5, rs of kids age obviously an important population there, critical program. to your point about snap, i again, this comes back to nutrition education, making sure amilies have resources and skills to know healthy foods to buy at the grocery store, how to and do their dollars

more on when they have access to programs. think really what it comes down to, we need more nutrition education in this country, not less. congress can invest more in snap ddo more outreach, make sure families have access to nutrition education programs that we know demand and need is there. host: lucy melcher, thank you very much for your time. hare our strength, no kid hungry is the campaign. lucy is advocacy and government director for the organization. go to twitter at no kid hungry lucy melcher, no kid hungry dot org. thank you for your time. take a short break and come back and open the phone lines in open phones for today's "washington journal." call in on any public policy or political debate that is washington or around the country. we'll be right back.

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to the student or team with the overall entry. for more information go to our studentcam.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back in open phones morning on "washington journal." what is on your mind? what public policy debate or are you debate thinking about this morning? want to share, call in with your comments here. joan in rochester. what is on your mind? two r: years ago, maybe years old, years ago, i was in lunches for d free everybody. spend eel like if we can $6 billion on airplanes and and trucks we can find enough to feed children in this f. their mother doesn't

get up and fix them a sandwich, eat, ildren still need to it is not their fault. besides be wonderful uld if people stop criticizing people that have less than they stand in line at the grocery store and make comments to these people who are working they can to feed their families and i think there kindness and empathy for children and people in this country that are lacking necessary thing necessary life to get by. thank you. joan, want to t, share a story that is developing this morning. u.s. navy m reuters plane crashes in the philippine the navy missing, saying they have recovered ight, but three are still missing. the president tweeting about this crash this morning saying navy is conducting search and rescue following aircraft

crash, we are monitoring prayers for all involved. the president leaving washington with his, made his way family to florida to spend the holiday there before he left, he talked, took questions from sexual s about the harrassment news of late, a topic that you can call in, as about this morning here in open phones tochlt emma in stockton, california, democrat. hi, ema. caller: hi, how you doing? host: doing well. mind?s on your caller: my problem is this tax cut they are trying to push right quick. host: okay. caller: most people don't understand what is in it, but in it is not good for us. donald trump has an addiction is money, he tion looks like he's trying to close that we havepolicy forthe kids, for the women,

everybody, you know. he point is, how do you allow him to make changes to the tax us when he's never shown his tax -- what he did for taxes and everything. i believe that before any he should showe, his tax returns, like he romised through campaign since everybody is going back through it. that is only thing i would ask, show taxes. okay, ema, on taxes, that is an argument coming out of the hite house, along with other issues for the president to say roy moore, he didn't explicitly say roy moore should elected, but said doug jones would be a vote against tax reform. "new york times" headline about the president's comments bucking national party, trump defends moore, asting doubt on the accusers, in those remarks made to reporters before he left for

florida. page so have on the front of the "new york times," a story about john conyers, democrat michigan, according to buzzfeed, the 88-year-old dean house settled with accuser two years ago, top inquiry of ging house elder. democratsi and senior on the judiciary committee offered little support and opened ommittee said it an investigation. mr. conyers denies accusations nd said he will cooperate with ethics inquiry, that is on the -- inside "u.s.a. today," conyers says he will ethics inquiry and then also you have in the papers this morning, this eadline "washington post," ethics investigation over ethics investigation. the "washington post" on how they got that

story. far right urce was sir donovic. buzzspeed and sir who ic, far right figure promoted theories such as pizza source of big buzzfeed that liberal ng representative john conyers made advances toward female staffers secretly reached a financial settlement with one accuser. agreement between cernovich appears to have come with hidden fact, cernovich offered to pay them. it is unclear whether he paid that money, but according to in their n post" interview with buzzfeed, they were not aware he offered to pay buzzfeed says they followed up on the documents,

them and ed corroborated them. daniel -- oh, before we go on to the next caller, we should also mention that john conyers paper, detroit free press, editorial, calls for him resign immediately. daniel in rockville, maryland, republican. daniel, good morning, go ahead. yeah, hi. i just want to know what you was the likelihood that the plan that passed the pass the senate and if you think trump would sign it republican it is a thing or if you think he actually -- are your el, what thoughts on tax reform? republican, i'm a so most people i know are for i feel like it unfairly 1%.ves the top host: okay.

jerome, riverdale, maryland, republican. caller: good morning, this is jerome. host: good morning to you. you.r: good morning to y question is it seems to me procedurally, i'm curious as to why the house and senate imultaneously are working on tax reform bills. just doesn't seem that efficient was a long time ago, but i remember like the house is supposed to do more with revenue generating things, the senate has -- generate, has to be generated in the house, tax legislation has to come from the first. but the senate is working on their own version and the two reconcile, i mean, they do that, call it regular order, where they bring the house version of the legislation did e committee as they before ways and means, mark it p, they did that the week before the senate committee, marked up their version and they

confirmees, members of house and senate, tax writing ommittees, to a conference and they will sit down and hash out their differences and then have that legislation and if it passes, then to the president for his signature. okay, that is very informative, it does sound a bit redundant, senate approves the president's they are so far behind in that, it would be elpful to be giving this to getnt his best chance staffed in the government. california, independent, hi, eric. caller: thank you for that explanation of the constitution of the united states. i would like to say this thing sexual harassment, four a different was

time, guy watching the movie tcuckoo's nest," some things were made, if you look back now, i don't know if you could make that movie. it comes to things four years ago, i think everybody eeds to mellow out a little bit. thank you for your excellent explanation. north korea catherine, north conway, independent. catherine. caller: good morning. host: morning. a suggestion on how people could celebrate day.ksgiving it would be called soup and day.d thanksgiving turkeys and pies and foods would another f christmas, december holidays, religious other ations and organizations and families could et together on thanksgiving joyfully for a soup and bread

meal.sgiving each person would bring a can of oup and loaf of bread to eat, hen whether $.10, $10 or plus dollars collect on this day for u.s. and world hunger programs. thank you. okay, catherine. headlines for you from around the country. courtesy of washington. the birmingham news out of alabama with headline, trump breaks silence, backs roy moore. detail mpain challenges of accuser's story and won't answer media questions. birmingham news. the daily news, i'm with perv, endorses accused kid molester moore out of new york. morning on that news, you have the dallas morning news trump offers support for moore, doubt on allegations and democratic rival doug

jones in that election, which is th.ing place december 12 orange county register in california, high stake necessary reshaping net neutrality, what to know if sec rolls back rules internet provider, headline headlines this morning. uber firm paid hackers to stay stolen material. 7 million accounts hacked and stayed silent for a year. legacy,urnal, christie looking at outgoing governor record, istie opportuni squandered for gifted politician. hatians anger, 60,000 living in working legally in the until july 20 to return home or face deportation. we can talk about this morning in open phones.

york, in norfolk, new good morning, democrat. caller: good morning. i'd like to educate the american on this estate tax that republicans are lying about taxation. host: okay. caller: i'm 82, i just retired two years ago. in the gravel, sand and topsoil business. bought excavators, front loaders, dozers, screening crushers, a couple just to put one simple example, loader for their 30,000, every penny of that was i did not pay one money of taxes on that their 30,000. during bill clinton's administration, it was about five years he had 11% , so by the time i got expenses, hiating my if i still owed taxes, i had

nother $3300 that i could deduct from my taxes, so these people are lie whenning they people that ican these five and 10 million there taxes. have paid they probably even write off stuff they didn't legally do. host: okay. nadine in craig, colorado, republican. hello, i'm calling about the the -- oh, god. should limit the amount of time these girls have sex charge. this business of how many people done this shows you they are just putting up, stalling and taking their time and i wish would do like they do in other courts. there is a time limit, if you it then, her to file forget it, it is over. i don't think trump ought to his to tell anything about taxes, that is between him and

the i.r.s. thank you very much. pennsylvania, republican. yes.r: i wonder about the tax bill. limits, you can't deduct student loan interest, deduct home mortgage interest, you can't deduct this, and the other and how is that helping the american people money? that.t don't understand how is that giving you money? ost: tax reform, the house passed its version before they left for the thanksgiving holiday, when the senate returns they will be voting on the republican proposal over in that chamber. patricia, connecticut, democrat. good morning. the r: good morning from constitution state. the "new york post" esterday or the day before, an

article that talked about how mr. trump met with cabinet his latest erning actions toward north korea and thinking, how many are ions in the cabinet unfilled and as well as in the departments, and does he fill these empty seats and how does that affect the as a g of the government whole? host: patricia, we talked about a little bit, the state department specifically last "washington journal," with a former undersecretary assistant who obama during the administration with hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. gotalked about that, you can to c-span.org and find it there. on in scranton, pennsylvania, hi, don, an independent.

caller: good morning to you. i'm calling about the taxes and down the debt. everybody complains about the bill and it will cost a million dollars, nobody complaining about $10 million went up with the last administration. i think everybody should get onboard and help the american and stop fighting that, is my thought. host: patrick, maryland, independent. patrick. caller: hello. to talk about roy moore and i don't know why these women exposed t say that he little -- he a tiny host: moving on to dave, washington, d.c., independent. caller: hi, sweetie. i would like to talk about two real quick. host: okay. caller: about the children, irst with the children and the hunger. first of all, i grew up in a household full of children. not -- it may look stair

tepped, comment on one gentleman spoke earlier, may look stair stepped, my mother brothers and six sisters, one point all of them were pregnant, not at the same time, but each was pregnant and would watch the other children. take us to school, all these he got children and pregnant with another child. siblings, that goes on when poor people are living in the only way t is we could afford it. on subject of taxes, as well know, i want folks to look, they went behind closed doors and put this ogether, now they want everybody to all of a sudden vote on it and i know they is houseorking it out in the and on the senate, working it better, g to make it they started out behind closed

doors, where they keep blaming democrats. the democrats didn't do anything closed doors, thank you, my comment. host: dave referring to debate over affordable care act. of that and tax reform, isa says she's okay with killing house insurance mandate, t offington post -- the chance her doing it again just went away, with republican preparing vote next week, she announced on tuesday she would not oppose includes ecause it provision repealing affordable care act individual mandate. made the announcement in an op ed for fairbanks daily news careful not to promise she would vote for the final tax legislation. melrose, massachusetts, democrat. caller: good morning. jim. morning, caller: thank you, ma'am, i

appreciate the good work you do, greta. will be on the hatians. you know that the proposal is 60,000 of them will be deported. i'll give you my experiences with them. very nice people. i have some bias because i speak french is , so my reviewed. they do a lot of good work, i've for them in nursing homes many years, they are very, very they perform very good job for our people and here building, senior citizens, hey help out as aides, i'm concerned that they would be allowed to stay because they are good work for america. host: okay. jim in massachusetts. arkansas, tainburg, democrat. caller: yes, ma'am, good morning, greta, how you doing? well.doing caller: well, wonderful. i usually get nervous when i now, but 'm nervous i'm a democrat and, you know,

a marine and, you know, president, p is our but i think the statute of on things runs out like sexual abuse or whatever, i i 't know, but it seems like agree with that lady that called back, they shouldn't all be able to bring it up after limitations runs out. i don't know, greta. host: keith, they're not filing the situation of roy moore, not filing charges. about their ing experience. you don't think that voters of know this uld information before they decide to send him to washington to represent them? do.er: yes, ma'am, i that old fella, older black guy in the congress. in michigan?yers caller: yes, ma'am.

the just patted a girl on rearend, i raised four girls and i patted them on the rearend and tell them, do a good job. the i don't think that is allegation. caller: i don't know, but that other guy from minnesota, i don't think he ought to quit either, i don't know what kind of allegation. caller: i don't know, but thatat him. statute of limitation runs out, i think they shouldn't tarnish his name. i appreciate c-span and i love you. host: all right, keith. lorenzo, ridgecrest, california, independent. caller: good morning, how are you? host: morning. me preface with i've come to conclusion we need to drain the swamp. politicians pull the wool over our eyes daily. host: and? caller: and i want to say more recently president trump got up the crisis with

problems and if anybody would pay attention to merino bill, basically pulled teeth out of da's ability fight drug o addiction in this country. we have so many instances that and people be more informed as to what is going on in their surroundings, able to e would be govern our country better, that is my comment. michigan, n, independent. caller: yes, i'd like to say everybody talks about shifting burden here or there and everywhere and the reality is, money and nobody talks about cutting spending. hey want to maintain programs and i want to keep mine and want you to give up yours and you need to pay more. reality is, the government has to shrink, like the gentleman said about the swamp personally after watching all these years, i bit of e little difference between the republicans and democrats, that

is why i'm independent, they selling the same whole years and reality is they are not interested in shrinking spending, not are only , they interested in keeping power. that is all i had to say. thank you. left on open tes phones. jamie in maryland, good morning. you are on the air. i had a couple different things i want to address. people voting ss against own interests and i say --s because i think that the i think the right does a good the t rallying votes of largest part of the population, the middle class white folks. want to say the rallies of both sides implementing fear in them, you know. thinking that it is minorities that are soaking up welfare and this is what they are paying for and why can't get to -- they

jobs and all the different aings, i think the right does good job, they convince them to vote against their own interest corporate welfare is largest part of the pie. we think is so, you know, soaking up welfare and stamps and this and that is drop in the bucket compared to welfare.e my other point, the opioid epidemic, i hope for the sake of get these hat we things under control and i want minority that the community and some like lower class white folks, as well, years and years and years and what they did, you nalized it, whether were addict or dealer, everybody went to jail. out, our o way fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters died. all of a sudden, moving up the more to where the

wealthier part of the dying, on, children are now the criminalization part of is a health it issue, it's always been a health issue, always be treated as and everybody should have worked together. abouttill, i'm not bitter it. i want -- host: understand. couple callers bringing up opioids, washington times has this headline, f.d.a. pushes thatnies to develop opioid resist abuse, such drugs exist, needed. generics are that is washington times website. democrat.linois, caller: hello. host: good morning, rick, you are on the air. oh, great. i'm calling regarding the tax havens and the corporate welfare. i think it is fairly ridiculous buy time ying to warner now.

the fact is guys were paying we wouldn't be in difficulty. host: bill, palm springs, democrat. good morning. the gentleman was speaking about i find it elfare, amazing that we're still giving instance, $8 , for billion a year, that money went treasure, we would all be better off. self-serving think tanks have been complaining minimum wage since last time it was raised under george bush. throughout the obama administration, we can't raise, people an't raise, now are afraid if they raise it up, the price of everything will go that, h it to pay for which is of course, you know, the way it is going to have to be. same self serving think tank

saying minimum wage will go up, go up if the tax plan goes through. got , it seems you've c.e.o.s making millions of dollars, you have people on wall street making billions of dollars. you can spend $1000 for a bagel or croissant that has goldleaf on it. who are we supporting? my taxes are not going anywhere. host: thank you for calling in. that does it for today's washington journal. we will be here tomorrow with the program on thanksgiving. tune in and watch then. enjoy thanksgiving. .appy thanksgiving call

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dinner in new hampshire. he talks about how democrats get supporters to the polls. here is a look. [applause] >> donald trump became the president of this amazing country because of two things. one, democrats did not turn out. reason, we stopped talking to people about what they care about area i think the first -- care about. i think the first part will take care of itself. the enthusiasm this party is showing his extraordinary. but we have to remember, we have to talk to people about what they care about and that would we care about. we as democrats have so many issues we care about and i believe we will be proven right on just about everyone. that does not mean it moves people's hearts and minds. what moves their hearts and minds is their job, their pay, and the opportunity for their kids. every time we are not talking about that and we are talking

about how that the republicans are, it is a missed opportunity for us. that is how we take this country back, in my opinion. a portion -- >> a portion of the speech by john delaney at the kennedy-clinton dinner in new hampshire, joined by ohio democratic congressman tim ryan, tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> thanksgiving day on c-span, highlights. at 11:30 a.m., the liberty medal ceremony honoring john mccain at the national constitution center in philadelphia. at 1:00 p.m., former secretary of state john kerry receiving a lifetime achievement award at the edward m. kennedy institute in boston. to: 40 5 p.m., david brooks and ronald white discuss character in the presidency. , theok tv on c-span2 southern festival of books in nashville at 2:30.

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