president, madam secretary, just know that it will be clinton school graduates who will be putting people first all over arkansas, america, and the world. thank you for joining us. have a safe trip home. [cheers and applause] ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] >> today on c-span, dr. anthony ayden talks about the relationship you your zip code and your health. here's a portion of his remarks. we have been looking at the data for over a decade, saying why are we spending so much? other countries that are similar

are spending so much less and their health is better than ours. not only do we spend more, we actually get worse outcomes for what we spend than other countries. they were looking at this data as well. they decided to do something different, they wanted to look at per capita health spending with an add per capita services and benefits spending to the graph. when they did that, the u.s. is the big spenders and everybody else is down the other side. when they added social benefits mending, they found the u.s. was in the middle of the pack. we were no longer the big spenders. when you have health care and social spending, we are not the big spenders. , this waspointed out in the new york times and was a wek called "the paradox." found that we had the accent on

the wrong syllable. we were spending our money on the health care and getting worse results. those countries that spend roughly two times on social service and social benefits compared to what they spend on health had better health outcomes. >> we show that entire event with him later today at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. monday night on "the communicators," the newest member of the federal communications commission joins us to discuss net neutrality, the justice department's efforts to sue at&t or its plan to buy time warner, and media ownership rules. the interview that he's interviewed by john handle. in theou have faith independence of doj antitrust authorities and how you see that overall given its pretty big situation? >> my general view is the fcc has a pretty limited role to play in mergers.

when a transaction comes before us, we take a look and say is there a transaction specific harm? if there is, we try to find a narrowly tailored remedy for that harm, that if that addresses the harm, we can move forward with the public interest determination. one thing you saw the fcc do over the last couple of years was the view mergers as a christmas tree where you can hang whatever agenda you wanted. that's not my approach, that's not the approach i think lawfully, under the communications act, that you should take. >> watch "the communicators monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. now a discussion on how recent sexual harassment allegations are impacting politics, culture, and the media. from washington journal, this is 40 minutes. we welcome back to the program from new york, columnist for the nation. good morning to you. >> good morning.

>> in the realm of politics, the media, and other fronts, including entertainment, sexual harassment is at the forefront of our national discussion. what do you think about the conversations that we are currently having about it, do you think any changes can come from that? >> i think it's an amazing conversation. it's the sort of thing you can never have imagined happening until it happened. the harvey weinstein extravaganza just set off this incredible outpouring from women . instead of it being a one off with some horrible, powerful creed who was ushered off the stage of history forever and everything goes back to normal, women are coming out with their own story. some of these stories are pretty areible, many famous men

being implicated in this scandal. also, i want to say it's such a mistake, this is where i wonder about the conversation we're having. that is focused on individual, powerful, famous men. whereas sexual-harassment is such a broad sexual harassment is such a broad phenomenon of ordinary people, especially people working in the hotel or restaurant industry. shocked by this -- almost half of hotel workers, female hotel workers, have been greeted at the door of the room by a man showing them his penis. any idea there boye so many entitled frat men in the world? who do not really know where this is going to go. i think there will be powerful

tendencies to push it all back, close the door, not look at it anymore. but there are people pushing to have the door open. host: who do you think will be at the forefront of pushing that back? donald trumpk that has a big interest in doing that. thes the pussy grabber in white house. 15 or 16 women have accused credibly, of harassing them, and he won. the people who voted for him have a powerful interest in setting this whole thing down. obviously, they do not care about it. host: as far as capitalizing on the current conversation and making changes in the workforce in other areas, what do you think has to happen to go from a conversation to actual change? guest: that is the big question.

i think law will not be enough. the workplace has lost the project women -- supposedly --the workplace has laws that pr otect women, supposedly. we really need to start raising boys and men of little differently. that somehow, an extraordinary number of men are growing up with the idea that this type of behavior is perfectly ok. that year, people say you should not do it, but in real life, it is fine, so why not? i think we need to have a broader social conversation -- host: do you see this as a generational thing, then? do you see changes as far as the attitudes coming from younger men than their older counterparts? guest: that is what people my

age -- that is what harvey weinstein said. "i grew up in a different generation" -- he grew up in a generation where it was ok to rape people who want to work with you -- no. the things he is accused of doing is never ok. businesses people did them and they got away with it because they were powerful and women were intimidated that they would lose work. i would say there has been a little bit of social change around this. parts of oursome culture are being raised more carefully. but i do not know it has changed all that much. if you look at the situation on college campuses, where many young men seem to be going too far, and the whole fraternity scene -- those are young people. i think that, if you were to ask a 20-year-old waitress were

situation is in the diner, i do not think it is all that different than it would have been 40, 50, or 100 years ago. joining us.pollitt if you want to ask her questions, you can do so on one or two -- on one of two lines. men, call (202) 748-8000. women, (202) 748-8001. tweet us, @cspanwj. and join our conversation on facebook. talk about the conversations you're having specifically from men on this topic. what are you hearing from them? sorry, the producer was talking to me. can you repeat that? i was looking in the wrong direction. [laughter] perfectly ok. and as specifically what you're hearing from men, i am

interested in what they are telling you. were all, men, they saying i would never do this, this is so terrible, but on the other hand, is it so terrible? [laughter] i think there is this kind of movement among men to dissociate themselves from this behavior and make clear decisions from what i did as a -- from what i did is ok and what he did is not. the point of this should not be that you are a bad person. the point of it should be that we are going to change. we are going to be different. we are going to really look at women as if they were people. would not like this done to you, you probably should not do it to another. host: as far as the world of politics, as you cover it frequently and extensively, what do you think about these allegations coming out on both sides of the political aisle? guest: that is so interesting.

to me, these allegations are very different. one of the things i think is a danger of what we are going through now is that many different kinds of behavior are being conflated. there is this phrase -- "sexual misconduct." that covers a lot of ground. for example, here we have roy moore, accused by many women, of having molested them as teenagers, in some cases underage teenagers. and we find out that the police are alerted when he goes to a football game, because he is going to mess with the cheerleaders. side.have him on one then we have al franken on the other side. al franken is accused -- and i there are sortk of funny things around some of those accusations. like that roger stone knew that was going to come

out with her big reveal before it even happened. but at the worst, he is accused womenat -- groping adult are situation where they not vulnerable at all. there are no repercussions. that this man would lose his senate seat because of that seems, to me, to really confuse a lot of things. host: and when you say that, is this -- you are treating it differently, i suppose, these two instances? guest: guest: i think there is a difference between stealing a candy bar and a diamond necklace from tiffany's or robbing someone on the street. i think we are mixing up a lot of different kinds of the, as if they were the same. the thing that worries me about that way lies, oh,

my god, everyone is terrible, all these things are happening all over. mixing up these things in the way that makes it harder to think about them. what roy moore did was against the law. and was involved with very young teenaged girls. ad this something that healthy, normal person would not do. host: we have calls. your first one is from susan in fort myers, florida. you are on what katha pollitt. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i have a couple questions and a suggestion, so bear with me. number one, who sets the statutes of limitations for sexual assaults, rates, pedophiles? because it seems like the people who made these laws are victims

of them. the other thing is that the harassment, not only in washington with the politicians, and i am not happy with either side, by the way, but on every main street in our country, i for myl back 65.5 years first experience with a pedophile. butourse, he is dead now, it is very bothers me and i am not sure if i misunderstood what you just said about groping adults. i do not like to be groped. it is up to the individual on what we are comfortable with very host: we will let our guest respond. you made a good comment on statute of limitations because they are made by men.

there inan interest closing the books on accusations of this sort. in some states, there are arguments that there should be the statute of limitation should be much longer because it takes a while victims to come forward and realize they have a recourse and the court. .ou make an important point one of the fascinating things about this moment is that so many women are coming out with all the terrible experiences they have had. i do not know a single woman who has not been groped, insulted, flashed, in a rape or near rape situation, on and on and on. is a revelation we and had before in society

when women came out with their stories, it look like things would change and then there's thomas got a seat on the court and it did not change so much but maybe this moment will be different because people like the speaker, the caller, are speaking out so forcefully. host: margin is next from -- martin is next on pennsylvania. caller: thank you, c-span. i find it curious when these topics come in waves. there was an issue around this the tannic worshiping at day care centers, and -- the sit worship at day care centers and people talked about how their children were abused. i think it stretches credibility to accept things at face value. i think the nation is supposed to be a publication that prince exposure -- prints exposure in

reality, when in fact, it goes e-bashing, the mal that is in 200 the anti-trump movement. , what do youollitt think? guest: i do not think it is mail-bashing for women -- male-bashing for women to come out with stories of things that happened to them. unfortunately, it is mostly men who do these. instead of having a sensitive reaction, what about taking in what women are saying? you raise an interesting point satanic ritualsn in the 1980's because i think there is or there can be a rush to judgment. notou read about it, it was

individual people in their houses saying, oh, my god, my icallyhas been satan abused. it would be one person coming forward and the police and certain kind of badly trained therapists would infiltrate and bully these tiny children until they came forward with stories that even they did not believe. yet, the rush to judgment was such that a number, several dozen or even more, people are convicted and sentenced to long periods in prison. some of them just got out and some of them died in prison. i think there is something to the idea that we have to be careful not to allow this moment to be used by people with a different agenda than simply trying to make the world a

fairer, juster, and less violent and stupid place. we will hear from virginia and pennsylvania. theer: don't you think fundicians having a slush should never be? that is like giving them room to do whatever they want and they know it will be covered. guest: i completely agree with you. i am glad you raised the point. we learned recently that over the past 20 years or so, $15 million have been paid out by the taxpayer in steeled settlements for sexual harassment on behalf of politicians. i agree completely. those politicians should pay out of their own pocket. i think the whole nondisclosure situation, the nda, where women,

or whoever the victim's, is not allowed to say and gets a settlement for never telling her story. i think that is so wrong because that allows the perpetrator to do it again and again, and it ensures there is never anything done structurally to prevent this from happening. host: there are efforts in washington for sexual harassment training to be part of formal practices, does that change the situation at all? guest: i think -- i hope those efforts are successful. [laughter] what can i say? it is a moment where you feel the fix is in. they have figured out how to do this stuff, how to buy off victims, how to make the victims be silent, and it is very disturbing. it is a moment when you feel that politicians lead a life

that is different from the lives of other people. host: let me ask you about sexual harassment training, overall. the do you think is ultimate impact of the training out there? guest: well, i would like to think that it is good, that it changes people, that it makes people more aware, and i hope it does. let's see if it works, but i think people in the workplace, you go to these sessions. someone tells you various things . how seriously do people take it? that is what i wonder. training, i wasn't there, but people were told never give a compliment without asking if you can give a compliment. everybody started making fun, make i say? i like your sweater. yes, you may say i like your sweater.

oh, i like your sweater. there can be something formula stick and ritualized about these -- formula and ritualized about these, but i do not know how you make a big social change without going through these steps that literalward and too minded and heavy footed. host: in "the new york times" , "girls today received to conflicting messages, the mighty and be good. the rhetoric says they can be how they want but it pays to be sweet and passive. true. i think that is one thing you hear again and again is i did not want to shout or make a fuss because i did not

want to be embarrassed or embarrass him. i did not want to wake anybody out. yeah, it would be good if women learned to say, hey, cut that out. but i say that aware that behind all of this and behind the demand that people behave in a completely different way is a structure of power, where it woman might have to put up with this because her job is at stake , or because she knows that if she speaks of, if she says, cut that out, it isn't going to be like, i'm sorry, i got ahead of myself. it is can it be much more severe for her. in general, yes, girls should we raised more suitably and boys -- more assertive and boys less. host: from montana, we are talking to paul. hello. caller: how are you?

good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i would like to point out something. maturing tog, in my a 67-year-old, retired radio announcer, when i was growing up in my home, my mother and father were careful, very careful to teach me to treat people, in general, as i want to be treated. a person who is of a different race, a different religion, i was taught to be tolerant and to accept a person because they are different. when it comes to women, i was taught to be respectful, to respect andwith

understand that they are a person, they have feelings , and they have desires, and goals, as well. i have never, ever had any trouble in my relationships with women throughout my life, and i think my parents for it. frankly, i believe that boys growing up today need some good home training. host: thanks, caller. guest: i agree with you. you are very lucky. your parents sound like wonderful people and you are lucky to have them. unfortunately, a lot of people do not have parents like that. i want to go back a little bit and amplify something i said, which was that in addition to the actual consequences of speaking up too much like that for women, women are blamed when

these things happen. what were you wearing? why were you in the storeroom? women are encouraged to present themselves very sexually, and then whether they want to or not, in terms of for example, uniforms in a lot of places are sexy, in a restaurant, a woman does not have a choice to wear something or not, and they are blamed, they are blamed if the customer makes advances to them. we see this again and again. when women accuse men of rape or attempted rape or sexual harassment, it has been turned around on them. so women know this is what is going to happen and this is why, one of many reasons why, they do not report. they do not speak up. and one of the great things oo movement is

it is breaking through that and saying, this is on the person who does this not to whom the person it is done. host: in pennsylvania, hi. caller: i will tell you, i watch her show all the time. as soon as i heard this lady, i'm sorry, i forget your name, actually say, i am afraid to say it because of the way things are, but she actually said the word, where donald trump grabbed the lady. i said, i have got to talk to this lady because all the media, they will not say it. to me, that makes saying that word worse than what donald trump did. thank you for being outspoken. i am a victim of sexual abuse. i lived for 10 years with spouse or rape. i am 72. back then, i grew up in a family , you do not talk about that stuff. you just do not talk about it.

my father was at the set that women i guess our property, men can do whatever they want. my main comment is i think this will take generations. it makes me very sad, but mothers, hopefully fathers, like the one that called, yes, teach boys respect. for god's sake, from early on, teach girls the value of themselves and their body and to speak up and say no. i never actually thought i could do that. i thought i was trapped. i did not know what to do. my life went to hell. now what 72, if a man ever tried to grab me now, he certainly would hear a lot for me. please, mothers out there, teach your daughter's they are worth something. thank you. wow.:

what an amazing call. i did not realize when i said word that i was possibly violating -- i do not think it is one of the seven words you are not allowed to say on television, but yeah, i think we have to call things by the right name. herenk donald trump, and we are going to get the people saying, everything trump does you hate, which is probably true, but i think we have to get the full picture. we have to use the words. he used that word, we should use that word. i think that the caller also o"derscores the whole "me to moments, which is people coming of aith a whole lifetime, form of sexual abuse or another. the thing is that even the smaller events, they do stick with you. i was talking to a friend , and we were both for

recalling what people said to us in the street. i was walking down 6th avenue and a very well-dressed man turned around and said in this reepy, dirty voice -- may i mumble] -- and i would recognize his voice anywhere. and to my credit, i turned around and said, "what was that you said?!" i was in the public street and had a quick reaction. sometimes people are so shocked at the things said and done that they freeze or it takes a while to say, did that really happen? i really give props to the caller for telling these very painful stories about her life. and there are too many people who have lived like this. too many. host: katha pollitt writes for

"the nation," and you can find to work at the website. joining us from new york, jean. caller: good morning. i would like to say the end lady that called in, that was very brave and i thank her for sharing. i have a couple of points. there, men audience out yes, sexual harassment can be for men, as well so we do not want to get on men. votef the reason i did not was because of him talking about grabbing women. i will not say it, but by the " p," i did not like that. i am a former soldier, retired from the army. i did not face any of that in the military. one of the reasons is because of letting people know what do stand for. if i saw something about to

occur, even if it was not to me, i interjected. to tohalf -- so we have wait and see, take preventative measures. i know we talked about education , and there have to be those in the workplace, even though the military still does an excellent job. they have a program called shock, the sexual harassment program they have, that we still know these things exist. there have to be people who speak up for themselves and others. host: we appreciate it. well, talk about the military, it is full of sexual harassment and rape and that scandal keeps coming out, going away, coming out and going away. i wanted to say, you asked me about what could be negative consequences of this current "me too" moment and one of them is that we are going to see or i fear we are going to see support

of the mike pence position, which is never be alone with a woman. he has this rule, he will never be alone with the woman other than his wife. host: but she got ridiculed about that statement. guest: he did get ridiculed a lot and then it turned out the other day it was tweeted, it makes a lot of sense in view of what is going on and it doesn't. what it says is either you do not trust yourself to rape a woman if you are alone with her or you think she is going to lie and say that you did. this is not the way we can move forward. women and men also need to work with each other. if a woman is barred from being a loan with a man in the workplace -- alone with the man in the workplace, she will not be able to do her job. negativehat the consequence could be that we just decide, yes, we need to moregender apartheid,

separation because it cannot trust them to be together. host: this is carl, kansas city, missouri. caller: i have been listening and i'm a 73-year-old veteran and a working, educated working-class blue-collar in the trades. i will say that if you want to and youus and insulting go into a bar full of lawyers, you can get away with murder and they will not hit you because they know the law. if you go into a redneck working-class bar and you get out of line, you will get knocked off the stool. i do not want to get off topic much because first, i have three little sisters. i am extremely sympathetic to the women's situation, and i do think something needs to be done. i have a constructive idea. they need to get with the law. they need to change things in the law, like the lawyers know they were not hit you because they will be sued. they need to strengthen the

harassment and other things, and with the electronic period we live in, women who are concerned about this, they should have some sort of evidentiary airy material, -- material, like a tape with them. when this happens, the need to crack down on these bozos and sue them for about $60,000 or $70,000. host: thanks. guest: i do not think women can go around with a tape recorder waiting for someone to sexually harass them, but it is interesting that one of the accusers of harvey weinstein dated have a tape -- did have a tape, and she was told, she worked it out with the police, pe himhe would tak saying things he said before and that happened. and then the da in manhattan

refused to move forward with the case because he had problems with the tape. it is hard to use that evidence, but nonetheless, i think what if we started leaving women more? you cannot keep your entire life. -- tape your entire life. there is a great deal of prejudice against women who come forward with their stories. brought upe idea with the law, are there changes of highly defined harassment and should be considered? guest: yes because harassment in law has to do with the workplace. it has to do with either a quick program, where if you sleep with me, i will promote you or give you a job, or with creating a hostile work environment, where -- and it could be just one incident, but where there is pervasive dissemination against against discrimination

women around sexual kinds of things. that is not a careful legal definition but i got it more or less right. sexual harassment doesn't apply to things like insulting the woman in the streets, cap ling, or somet-cal of the things that have come out. it really is a broader phenomenon than what takes place in the workplace. what i think we can call it patriarchy. it is all a form of male domination of women, feeling entitled to women's bodies, that their feelings do not matter, that you can do it every want if you are a man. i am sorry to all the men out there who do not feel that way, but there is a social structure here. when good people do not take advantage of it, but the other person does. host: this is mary in kentucky, go ahead. caller: hi.

i would like to say i think the key to not being sexually harassed is being assertive, but the other thing i want to comment about is back in the day , back in the 1970's to 1990's, a lot of these women did not mind being harassed. that is why i did not get upset when donald trump said that. in the text that he said that, he was shocked, too. youas disgusting because were either expected to get promoted, or look good or excellent with your manager whatever, and i, myself, have been assertive, and intelligent person, and never went along with it and suffered because of that. i feel that women need to be more assertive and we need to not take it. sexualhink having harassment laws having not been on the books that long --

host: we are running out of time. he will let our guest respond. guest: i do not want to leave people with the onus on women. that is the thing. women need to be more assertive. yes, of course. everybody needs to be more assertive when wrong things are done, whatever their sex or gender. why there isson sexual harassment that women think it is fine, that there are too intimidated from coming forward, the basic reason is because these things are done to them. that is where the change has to happen. it has to stop happening because men realize that this isn't a way to act. women go through complicated calculus is of what they can say and what the consequences will be. it isn't really fair to put the burden on women.

that is like saying, well, you have to be really careful about not being pickpocketed. well, you do, and i have been pickpocketed many times because i wasn't careful. but the basic thing is, it is the pickpocketed that did the wrong thing, not you for forgetting for a moment to close your purse or sitting with your purse too far away on the subway. i do not think that putting the onus on women is the right way to go. host: from massachusetts, this is john. caller: good morning and thanks for getting up extra early today. my question to you is, network news and local boston news of the young girls that dress code that they work with, is that dress code given to them or do they pick that up themselves? guest: i do not know what is on television in boston. i am in new york, but if you

mean, for example, on fox tv, everyone has to be blonde, although there are not many bonds in nature, so i'm sure many of it comes out of a bottle, and everyone has to dress in a sexy way and be thin, i think that is the look they want and what they insist you be. i do not think someone who looks like me, no matter what her politics are, to get hired by fox. i do think these places have their dress code, they have requirements. for example, a man can age on television. there are plenty of guys on television in their 60's, but there are not that many women in their 60's. women tend to a job quickly -- age out quickly. host: what is the tell tale sign you are looking for to see a

change in this topic, any long-lasting change will occur? guest: i think i look for the continuation of women telling their stories. i look for some consequences in the workplace. i look for, for example, for -- unionss is so sad, but are not such a big thing anymore, but i think unions can help and i really helping. i just read that for hotel workers, some hotels or it could be women with panic buttons so that when the guest, the hotel guest tries to molest them or undresses in front of them, which who knew that was a thing? right, the bathrobe trick? that they can get help. i think there has to be workplace structural things that speaks directly to what the actual concerns are of the women who worked there are. blogs.coma pollitt at

to essentially that grasp. when they did that, typically the u.s. is way out of the big spender and everybody else is putting down the other side, when they added social benefit spending they found that the u.s. was now in the middle of the pack. there were no longer the big spender. when you add health care and social spending, we are not the big spender. what they pointed out, and this was an op-ed that became a book

of the american health care paradox, what they pointed out was we had the accident on the wrong syllable. we are spending our money on health care, getting worse health results. in those countries that spend roughly two times on social services and social benefits, compared to what they spend on health have better health outcomes. >> we will show that entire event later today at six eastern on c-span. >> the republican party hosted their second annual kennedy clinton dinner. by 2020 president of candidate and congressman tim ryan. this is a few hours 15 minutes. -- two hours 15 minutes.