groups on college campuses. after that, we show you some of the holiday festivities at the white house. ont on c-span, a discussion the role of religious faith leaders can play and confronting racism, bigotry, and sexism. speakers include john lewis and archbishop wilton gregory of atlanta. this was hosted by georgetown university. >> good evening, everyone. for thee president union ministry here at georgetown university. welcome to the spiritual heart of colleges with community. this chapel is the physical faith oft of the deep our catholic university. in this sacred space,

generations of students, faculty, staff, and alumni have god in the sacrament, in prayer, and in communal reflection. in the spirit of our just letting catholic heritage, we profess here our deep respect and sincere appreciation for people of other backgrounds who seek to grow in faith as well as knowledge. jesuitown's tradition of education has always prided both the pursuit of truth and virtue. it is the transformation of the whole person from ignorance to understanding, from isolation to dialogue. from indifference to more thatral responsibility characterizes the best of what ages with education like -- best of what a jesuit education like georgetown has to offer. so much of the political and social discourse of our nation has heart into a rancorous

noise. it has distracted us from our ability to be informed, honest, and even prophetic and our dialogue about the ethical issues facing us today. we hope that a conversation in the midst of this sacred space might offer a more prayerful posture to engage political, academic, and spiritual leaders. framing these dialogues with an in place of prayer and worship can sustain and empower us to be more active participants and renew our common sense of purpose. tonight the office of mission and ministry in collaboration with the initiative on catholic social thought continues our series that seeks to deepen conversations about social justice along with this rich and deep heritage in our christian faith. tonight, we unite in confronting racism in our hearts.

before beginning, with song and prayer, i would like to invite the president to share his own personal welcome and reflections. >> thank you very much, father bosco. good evening everyone. thank you for this opportunity to be with you all. as father bosco shared, for a second dialogue hosted by our initiative on catholic social thought in public life in her option -- in our office of mission and ministry. these dialogues are not ready to come together in prayer, reflection, and dialogue. at the intersection of faith and public life as we seek a deeper alignment of our values and our action. we are grateful to the initiative, to the office of mission and ministry, to the democracy fund, to chris crawford, for their efforts to

make this evening's dialogue possible. in just a moment, john carr, director of our initiative on catholic social thought in public life, we introduce an invite to the stage an extra in -- an extraordinary panel. to each of you, i want to thank you for your presence. we are grateful to our panelists for the reflections that they will share with us. i'd also like to thank rabbi rachel garner who will lead us in an opening prayer in just a few moments. in recent years, our community has come together through town hall meetings, classrooms, and religious basis, with our partners across the city. we have gathered in response to public incidents and personal experiences.

we sought to establish new structures and new opportunities. to urge one another, to support one another in the important work towards racial justice. 150 years after the abolition of slavery, our society is still grappling with the problems of racism and racial injustice and we are grappling with that here, in our community and in our city. tonight we gather for this dialogue to explore the role of religious faith in pursuit of common good in resisting racism. the cardinal issued a pastoral letter earlier this month, the challenges of racism today, in which we are reminded that it is our faith that causes us to confront and overcome racism. recent efforts under the leadership of archbishop gregory

and bishop george murray. the 1979 pastore reflective, brothers and sisters to us. the leadership of cardinal patrick o'boyle to illuminate the resources of our faith tradition while also reminding us of the enduring, persistent, pernicious dishes -- nature of the challenge of racism in our country that requires our enduring attention and response. cardinal boyle sought to illuminate the cause of racial justice as a moral imperative for catholics working to in -- end segregation, offering

the indication, the march on washington alongside john lewis and dr. king, and offer the attendance of local parishes within the march. less well-known is a gathering he helped to convene here at georgetown in 1964 in support of the civil rights act. his role as chairman of the interreligious committee on race relations, he hosted and interreligious event here on campus attended by 6500 people of protestant, catholic, and jewish faith. he said, we are here tonight to speak with one voice are deep religious convictions about the dignity of man and the rights of all men, what are congress considers in terms of public policy, we uphold in terms of human dignity. he concluded together and by saying, this assembly is but a beginning. we have embarked upon a crusade that will not be ended until

every american has been given the right, equal opportunities, and full recognition of her or his human dignity. in these words, cardinal o'boyle issued a call that remains is -- as urgent today as it was 53 years ago. it animates our long going continued commitment to grapple with our store participation in the institution of slavery. a call that demands each of us to address with greater vigor the legacies of slavery, segregation, discrimination, and racism that persist in our nation. a call that inspires our reflection, our action, and our work together as a university community. i wish to express my appreciation to all of you. it is a privilege to be here for this convening.

again, we are grateful. [applause] >> please join with us in singing amazing grace, found in your program. please stand. ♪ amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me i once was lost but now i'm found

was blind but now i see 'twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved how precious did that grace appear the hour i first believed the lord has promised good to me his words my hope secures. he will my shield and portion be

as long as life endures yet when this flesh and heart shall fail when we been there 10,000 years bright shining as the sun we've no less days to sing god's praise then when we'd first begun ♪

>> please remain standing. in the shadow of rabbi abraham, joshua has show, and all the generations of rabbis who fought for justice before me and surrounding me me with my privilege privacy tonight. [singing in hebrew]

blessed are you god. spirit and life breath and all that lives. he you opens our eyes. open our eyes this day and every day to see your light, dear god, as it shines through every human being. help us recognize the inherent dignity and equality, radiance and rights of all of the human family. blessed are you god. who guides our footsteps. guide us towards wholeness. move us away from the racism that wounds us, divides us from ourselves, and cuts us off from one another and you. drive us away from the equivocations that on is the divine image and some but not in others. blessed are you god.

who gives us strength. strengthen our current should -- our courage to turn inward and tried to pursue the world as it should we. strengthen us to protect and plead one another's cause. blessed are you god. [singing in hebrew] who takes care of our every need finally, bless us in our gathering tonight and faithfulness to hear hard truths tonight bravely. if our hearts begin to harden in defensiveness, soften us to one another's pain. if we begin to recoil in comfort -- discomfort, give us empathy.

is what you desire and require of us. quiet our minds. ready our spirits for the hard work that the world needs us to do. maybe comforted by the knowledge that you are with us every step of the way. may it be your will, and may it be ours. amen. please be seated. >> you are right here. jim, you are right here. good evening. my name is john carr and i'm the director of the initiative on catholic social thought public life. i'm honored to partner with our colleagues in the office of mission and ministry.

thank you, rabbi for that prayer. can tell we are an interface -- you can tell we are an ith community here at georgetown. we sang all the verses of the song. in the catholic way, there's only two verses. es is fine. the president talked about how we are wrestling with this at georgetown. many of you know it is taking on very direct original, historical reality with the broader understanding of the sale of human beings to support the college of university. the very definition of white privilege. people ask why has georgetown's response been different than other places.

there are many reasons. one of them is sitting next to me. the work of the group on slavery, memory, and reconciliation. there are two things we should think about tonight. one is religious convictions on human life, dignity, human rights, justice, solidarity, that gives different way of looking at world. the other has been the leadership of our president. instead of trying to evade her escape has took his head on. he helped us had gone away forward. our school president has moral principles of leadership. and the things we're need to can. we witnesses additions and people have been a big part of

the problem and elvis the solution. think about it. people relied of the bible by -- to justify slavery. the klan burned the cross to intimidate african-americans and catholics and jews. on the other hand, abolitionists drew on the scriptures. martin luther king jr. was a reverend. cardinal o'boyle stood up in difficult times. in the pastoral letter you have your hand, says step forward. archbishop gregory has stepped forward. we are here to talk about how those institutions and leadership can make a difference. we have a remarkable group of to help us think about that. one is a pastor, a leader, the onlyr -- in fact, the african-american archbishop in our country. the fact that he is the only is

-- only says something about him and something about us. he's been a leader in at his life. we have your teaching, enter scholarship, and inner leadership on this this announced. we'll be joined by zero. someone called the conscience of the congress. representative lewis has a day job. he's a member of the conference -- congress and he had votes tonight. but we are sure he is on our way here. we have hard question. we have elements of responses. and we have a great group of people. let me turn to you first. archbishop gregory, he went to charlottesville after the days. you said we have to find better

ways to talk about the r word, racism. you live the life, ministered, dealt with discrimination in euro and situation, grew up in chicago. one of my favorite things about archbishop gregory is it said he decided he wanted to be a priest before he was a catholic. a testament to the power of catholic schools in the inner-city. i worked in the conference would archbishop gregory was president. he provided enormous, tremendous leadership in many areas. i will personally never forget that at a time when the church was on trial and i was the parent of young sons, he stood up on clerical sexual abuse and insisted on accountability and change in the church. this is a pastor of courage, and

a lot of that courage has come in the area of racial justice. when you say we have trouble talking about the r word, racism, what did you mean? how should we be talking about this? our colleagues at the democracy fund are trying to make the case we can talk about tough issues through civil dialogue. why do we find it hard and what should we be doing to overcome our avoidance of the r word?

>> i think we find it difficult especially at this moment in our nation's history because we have become so polarized. we have in so many different ways lost the ability to speak civilly to one another. but it also think it's difficult because the issue of racism at its core is a spiritual difficulty. it is a spiritual moment. like any spiritual moment, it calls us to conversion. we are afraid in many ways to talk about the race question. to talk about racism with one another. it might reveal that what we thought we understood, we don't understand. that's the heart of the spiritual conversion. to acknowledge that what we thought we possessed that made us feel secure, we don't. when young men with torches march to the streets of charlottesville saying you will not replace us, when young black

men lose their black -- lose their lives in our city in conflict with police and broader violence, when as the president said, african-americans are twice as likely to be jobless in this city and infant mortality is twice as high for african-american babies, how to those realities shape not only our spiritual response, but our personal, how public response? >> i think part of this moment and part of this response is there been moments in our history, recent history, we reached a momentous event.

whether was the civil rights act, the voting rights act, the election of the first african-american president, and there was so much hope in achieving that threshold that we confuse the achievement of a public event, civic event, with conversion. so there is a disappointment when we find ourselves facing the same issues and sometimes even more complex issues that we thought, if we could only in that this piece of legislation -- if this young, articulate african man can be elected president, surely we have crossed the threshold.

these events causes to doubt that we might ever be able to achieve those moments of spiritual reconciliation. >> we talked about spiritual conversion. you talked about whether we will cross that bridge. what are the roles and responsibilities of religious institutions and leaders? we are in a chapel, not a lecture hall. we began with song and prayer not a political call to arms. pope francis seems to be a universal leader who can touch our conscience in ways that many others can't.

what is the responsibility of religious institutions and what can we learn from, one, religious leaders, not only for other religious leaders but other leaders. >> i think pope francis and dr. king, both in a prophetic way, said the role of faith is to accompany people. to walk with them in life journey and not only does walk with them, challenge them. it's the work of evangelization. it's a work of inviting people to conversion. earlier, it was reference that dr. king, the world refers to ms. dr. king but he was first reverend king, that his leadership was primarily a spiritual leadership. now, there is no question that he was directly involved with the civil changes that took

place as a part of the civil rights movement. but he was first of all one who spoke to the heart of our nation about the spiritual values were being ignored. >> marcia, uri scholar. your professor at georgetown. you were a professor at oklahoma. not oklahoma state. that's heresy. you are a native of chicago. it's a bit of a chicago night here at georgetown. you have all sorts of awards for your teaching. you have written an incredible book about young african-american girls and women growing up.

yet, what i want to ask you about is the experience of serving on this working group. almost all of us walked in here and off to the right is isaac hawkins hall. it used to be called mullaney hall. who are those people and why is that important? >> when we think about the context of the work we did, for a number of us it was desperation not only into georgetown's history but the history of the united states. father mullaney was an american catholic in a time when american catholics were not clear about the question of slavery. that is who he was. he was also here at georgetown university and had a choice to

make. the choice was around the assets of human beings. that was the 272 men, women, and children who were sold to reconcile georgetown stats and allow for the jazz a community -- the jesuit community here to imagine georgetown's future. it's important to remember why we made a decision not only to rename the hall but also mcsherry hall to another name. i think the renaming is important for other institutions to resist the false idolatry of owning confederate statues, flags, the symbols in our culture at this moment that people devoting these things rather than thinking about the spiritual conversion we were talking about. i think that in making the move to say we are no longer going to put a place of honor for this person who had a legitimate choice in a moment when american

catholics are grappling about the question of slavery and made the choice that was the most of -- most nefarious and most fundamental in reifying the strength of the institution of slavery. isaac hawkins the first name that appears on the bill of sale and 1838. we were thinking about this renaming, we were thinking about the powerful character of isaac in the bible and the sacrifice. as imagine all our institutions of being predicated i sacrifice of human life and human dignity, then perhaps we would have a different relationship, not only with our institutions, but with each other. the second hall is named after a free woman of color in washington dc was that was a school for half american girls.

having a memorial at georgetown's campus to her helps us remember the racial composition of georgetown. it was george's town. it was the center of african-american life. to imagine a person living a free life and watching her unfrees and sisters live lives. knowing they have human dignity and living in a world that they cannot see that is one of the ways the memorialization process on this campus can animate and help our students understand why we pursue the kind of education we pursue here at georgetown. >> you talked about what the renaming civilized. some people would say that is just a symbol. that is easy. in making that judgment, they made their judgment and long time ago. what are the behaviors and reactions that we have to take to not talk about that legacy of

years ago but to do with reality today? you studied this. you lived this. we are in the chapel but if you don't believe what are twitter grammar talked about, if it is in a matter of spiritual conversion, one of the moral qualities? what are the civic virtues that we need to deal with at a time when this? >> i think at the heart of white supremacy we think about the power it tries to consolidate, but white supremacy is also about stripping dignity from others and being unable to live a dignified life yourself. what is happening in our nation as we have these conversations about this unending legacy, what we do about racism today, is we do not have the kind of leadership that is saying to us it is not just about a conversion of your heart.

it's about the restoration of your own human dignity. i don't think a person who has invested themselves in white supremacist ideas, they have no idea of their own human unity because you have not lived in a context that allows of the rigorous moral inventory you need to do that. i'm going to bring of election because that's what i do. [laughter] this past election was a moment in which we went from a real shock of what was possible in this nation to this three ring circus about reaching across the aisle. it's ok if a person politically disagrees with you. no big deal. instead of saying, why don't we take a moment to think about the consequences of your power when you exercise them in a democracy and its predicated on the power and the stripping of dignity of other people? why don't we sit with that? the problem with a lot of antiracist work is that it's

well-intentioned but doesn't require anything of the person seeking conversion. there is no moral wrestling or real reconciliation. i think in terms of people more -- who are organized around our religious communities, we are not the only ones who have the access to the moral questions. any member of this community the in the society has to grapple with the moral question. when we decide that moral questions are just for the folk, we lose sight of the capacity to see this through. i think what we did georgetown is particularly constructive. my husband says the more you can tolerate the negative emotions of others and your own negative emotions the better you do in , the world. talk about really hard to do. we have never as a nation sat with the negative emotions of has done, supremacy

and then we think healing is possible, and it's not. >> i love many things about you, but you say tough things in ways which invite us in instead of pushing us away. no one likes a grim do-gooder. you call us to justice in a -- what was your line? joyful justice. i never thought those words would together. as somebody who is a justiceoner of joyful is jim wallace. he is a best-selling author. he is a colleague. he is a baseball coach. he coached other people's kids. that's as close as you get to purgatory in this life. [laughter]

you talked about moral wrestling. this is a man who has done moral wrestling since his teenage years. growing up in michigan, he asked hard questions about segregation and discrimination. got involved with the black church. he has written 12 books which is almost as hard as coaching for 11 years. your latest book is america's original sin -- racism, white privilege and the bridge to the new america. i have my copy. i suggest you get one, too. why is racism america's original sin? oft is your understanding

privilege? what is the bridge to the new america when a lot of people want to make america great again? >> when i realize you're going to have is the chapel, i was very grateful because i realized this was the right place for this conversation. it is clear to me that we are not going to get to where we need by just talking politics. we have to talk about theology. we have to go deeper. what is at stake is the soul of the nation. and the integrity of faith. i was doing a racial justice week at marquette. he asked how many white students had ever heard racism named and called a sin from the pulpits?

all the that question time of his white students. almost no white students raise their hands. let's talk about sin. it's my evangelical tradition. it wasn't about slavery, it was about the kind of slavery we created. white christians in particular, doause we said you cannot what we're doing to kidnap africans or indigenous people if you believe they are people made in the image of god. so we had to say they weren't. what is at stake is the continuing threat and our policing structures -- mass

incarceration, health care, education, jobs. it is about the image of god. you mentioned little league baseball coaching. it's good theology. white privilege, it comes down to this. every black player i have coached for 22 seasons, 11 years -- every black player has had their dad or mom on how to behave in the presence of a police officer. what to do, what not to do, how to hold your hands, to do with your eyes. none of my white players ever had that talk with mom or dad. in this liberal town, very few of their parents even knew was going on. the talk is everywhere. it is about what black parents

have to tell the kids. white privilege, safety. i cannot tell you how many activists or academics when they talk about why privilege to talk with her kids. how they don't feel safe with their kids walking out any door in the city. the answer is repentance. that word is important in jewish, islamic, christian traditions. it doesn't mean just feeling guilty or sorry. that's too easy for us white folks. it means turning around and going in a whole new direction. what we say and chapel about sin, repentance, conversion, and idolatry, has to be turning around things in policing systems.

education, economics, health care, criminal justice. that is the test of our words here. with our words here do on the street. my notion of the incarnation is that in jesus, god hit the streets. what do our words or prayers here mean on the streets and in systems and structures? that is what we have not yet dealt with, and this nation is not going to get to the bridge unless we go deeper than politics. bishop echo archbishop? >> two weeks ago, i had the privilege of going down to see island, georgia. it's an upscale, lovely place. i stayed at the colony, and i was going to go out and play good so i was dressed in a

golf outfit. as i was walking out, clearly dressed to go play golf, a young, white lady came and asked me where is the restaurant you can she presumed -- the presumption was if a black man was at the colony, no matter how he was dressed, he was a staffer. the presumption does it is -- the presumption -- it is what you said. is it possible that this black man is here as a guest and is going to play golf like my husband? the presumption was just the opposite. and it tags on to what you're saying about white privilege.

and the importance of black parents speaking to their kids about -- this is how you must behave in the event that you are stopped for a ticket or you are somehow in front of an authority. >> if i could add something, the inability to read you as anything other than a servant -- this is kind of where people are at. their moral imagination to imagine a world without housing discrimination, with equal schools, with health care disparities reduced -- they cannot even get there. i think that is something i have found when i travel. people always ask -- what can i do? they want me to assign them a book. they really do. i no longer engage that question. i say -- it is more important to think about what have you done. what harm have you brought into the world?

consciously and unconsciously, what are the choices that you are making that have caused harm ? and what are you willing to do. what does your imagination allow you to think about in terms of doing with this work? we have to resist the idea that the prescription is x, y, and z and then there is freedom. we have to wrestle with the fact that our behavior has caused ourries of limitations to imagination, and once we deal with that behavior, we can start to imagine on a larger scale. >> because the solution is not superficial. it is in the heart and in the soul. >> a hopeful, black, chief executive has those stories. people throwing their keys at him. for tea asng 14 --

he goes through fundraisers. as an elected official, these are his stories. at my class in georgetown, i have a young student who was at sidwell friends. i think we should stand up and welcome him. [applause] >> good to see you. >> that was a really good story, jim. >> just to transition, we are talking about how to build the

love and community that dr. king talked about and you have talked about. we were talking about the talk and the archbishop was telling the story -- atlanta, atlanta, chicago, chicago. it is a little rough here for us minnesota people. they explained that he was in a resort and on his way to play golf, and someone stopped by to ask where the restaurant was. you never did say what you told her. >> i simply said, i am a guest here like you. >> jim and i are part of the circle of protection. doing remarkable work. christian churches of every stripe. i was trying to get my head on this. an african-american bishop, he

jogs. that frustrated me but also, secondly, he said he never leaves the house without his drivers license. even when he goes out running. my daughter was trying to teach me what white privilege was. she had read about the leadership of our president. maybe being a part of the university where the sale of 272 human beings being brought forward may be part of white privilege. there are a lot of untruths in washington these days. [laughter] i am being diplomatic here, it is a church. one untruth is there are no heroes in washington. we have a hero, and he is here tonight. [applause]

you don't remember me, but i remember you, congressman lewis. i had the great privilege of working for coretta scott king. part of that was to see the giants of the civil rights movement. frankly, they were mostly older men. and they would debate and talk and eventually, it came time to decide. and then a much younger man would make the case with passion and urgency and with clarity about the path forward. and that young man was you. and now, you are not so young anymore. and you are still making the case for the path forward. with passion and urgency and clarity. i looked at the program and you were the youngest person to speak there. you are the only person still living who spoke at the march on washington.

it was seven leaders of religious groups. you have always told the religious community that we have to play our part in the struggle for civil and human rights. as you think back to the march on washington which you spoke to as a young man, and think about what we have been through this last year, what do you think needs to be done? congressman lewis: first of all, i am delighted to be here. i regret very much that i had a commitment at another university that delayed me. but i am always glad to be at georgetown.

the past few months have been like hell on wheels. i have seen a great deal, but i have never in all my days seen what is happening in america today. sometimes, i feel we have lost our way. dr. king spoke a great deal about the beloved community, and redeeming the soul of america. i think it was something that the church should be a headlight and not a tailight. i think i'm getting it right. and martin luther king would also say from time to time that we have to be a spark plug. most of the young people would not know what a spark plug is. [laughter]

and not a firecracker. a spark plug would continue to burn and burn. we have got to give our people, all of our people, and especially our young people, our children the sense of hope that we will make it. that we will overcome. and tell them not to get lost in a sea of despair. and to never become bitter or hostile. that the way of love is the much better way. just love everybody. you may get arrested and go to jail a few times. you may be beaten or bloody but you are making a down payment for building the beloved community.

>> congressman lewis, you mentioned arrest. i think i read that you have been arrested 50 times. >> almost 50. >> don't bet on you not breaking 50. you talked about bloody sunday, that was your blood on the streets. and others'. and yet you never expressed bitterness. you always talk about love. how do you, in a really divided nation, incredibly angry, reason full-time where people are pitted against each other for political gain, how do you pull people together? how do you help them see that what they have in common is more? we had a conversation about what white privilege does to white people. how do you lift the banner of love and service and justice in a society that seems to be tearing itself apart without resorting to hate? how do you invite people in,

instead of pushing them away? congressman lewis: it is important for all of us as children of god almighty to continue to live lives of love. love everybody. and never give up on this idea that we can all become more human. we are all created in the image of god almighty. i remember, in nashville, as a student in 1960, before our first arrest. we had studied the way of peace and love and the philosophy of nonviolence. we had the do's and don'ts of the citizens. at the end, it said -- remember the teachings of jesus.

martin luther king jr. and gandhi. may god bless you. 89 of us were arrested that day and every single one of us had a copy of the do's and dont's as a way of life. >> let me ask our panel -- if we were to do the do's and don'ts of resisting racism, you don't have to do the whole list tonight, but if you were to think about a do and a don't, what would be on your list? jim? >> we talk in chapel a lot about love. and we should. and we are. but the love that john lewis showed on the bridge that day was a love that was willing to risk. we often do not put the risk for

love. in our church tradition, it is love to risk and suffer. i think, particularly when we are talking about a bridge to a new america, i think it means that those who believe in what we are saying tonight, have to be willing to say -- where are we going to risk our presence? our privilege? our wealth, our time, our bodies, our faith? in the middle of transforming the systems about policing and health care and mass incarceration. when i talk to the young kids in the street, that is a question i always hear back from there. not -- do you believe in what we are trying to do? but what risk are you willing to take? that is a question we have to be asking, what is the risk we are

willing to take. where we live, where we act, in the coffee shops, in the streets. it will really take some risks to make the changes that we believe in. we had this 50th anniversary, going back up the bridge and there you all were. you were all walking with the wheelchairs and walkers. all of the foot soldiers were there. the guys on top of the bridge. what struck me was all the risk these foot soldiers took to make voting rights happened. it did not just happen. it happened because of the risk that you all took. the test of love is risk. >> one of the do's i would take is to tell people how they can join our conversation. you can join that on twitter at socialthought. pretend i told you that about a half hour ago.

for those of you who feel badly for those that could not fit in here -- what an extraordinary turnout tonight on a monday night -- this is being taped by c-span and will be broadcast over the next days and weeks. so there will be a chance. archbishop, your do's and don'ts. >> congressman lewis put his finger on the heart of the issue about loving other people. i would say a do has to be loving yourself. and realizing that my dignity, my goodness, my worth is not dependent on my standing on someone else. if, in fact, we are god's children, that is where the dignity lies.

in our creaturehood that god gave to us. and i do not have to step on anyone to be worthwhile. you are born with that. it comes when you go down the birth channel, you bring it with you. and i am not made a better man or a better woman because i can say -- well, at least, i can say that i am better than --. i have to love myself simply because i am convinced that god made me lovable. >> the do's are powerful and eloquent. sometimes, the don'ts are more difficult. so i am going to come back to each of you.

one of the things that i was looking at the march on washington roster. i talked about congressman lewis was the youngest. no women spoke at the movement. several heroines of the movement were recognized but something that has changed for the better in 50 years is that women of color are now leaders. you are one of those leaders here at georgetown. what are your do's and don'ts? >> don't forget the women. [laughter] [applause] in forgetting the women, you forget where the mechanism is made and developed and where the longevity is. it is the women that remain committed to movements. if i were to add a don't to the list, i would say -- do not try to soothe the tears or silence the anger, sit with it.

because, going back to the issue of gender, we have such an opportunity in this moment when we think about racial conflict to address the real grief of conflict. what unfortunately happens is the grief gets shut out because it feels angry or uncomfortable. after the uprising in ferguson, i spent a long time talking to communities about ferguson. at the end of the day, i could say that a woman lost her son. a man lost his son. a group of people lost a member of their community and they were angry and sad about it. my only wish for other people is that the people we love and care about, when we say goodbye to them in the morning, we want

them to return to us. in this country, because of the color of your skin, your sexual identity, there is a possibility that you will not return. and so much about our christian teaching is the joy over the return of jesus. perhaps we would have a more humane approach to these questions. [applause] >> congressman, you got me started on this -- what is a do and a don't for today? congressman lewis: to love. love. love is so strong and powerful. i will give you an example. 9 october, i had an opportunity to travel to rochester, new york. one of my colleagues invited me to come and meet some of the nuns that took care of us in selma, in the good samaritan hospital.

>> can the people hear the congressman? congressman lewis: i met three of the nuns that took care of us on march 7 in 1965 in selma. they are retired in rochester. when i saw them, i started crying. they started crying. and they kept saying -- john, we love you. and i kept saying -- sister, i love you. had it not been for these nuns, i don't know what would've happened to us. it is the power of love. to have that connection -- that is a spark of the divine in all of us. when i was growing up in rural alabama, we would sing a song from time to time. i don't know the words but it was something like -- running from heart to heart.

there is a connection. mike, don't hate. don't hate. as dr. king said and others said, hate is too heavy of a burden to bear. it will destroy you. >> archbishop? jim? >> hate is gone. >> i would say the don't -- and especially to the young people who are here. early on in life, do not lose hope. if there is a virtue, i think, that this particular moment

really calls for, it is the virtue of hope. because, with so much of the negative energy that is out there, the divisiveness, there is the invitation, the temptation, i could say, to abandon hope. in "dante's inferno," that is over the portal of hell. "abandon all hope, ye who enter here." >> jim, you talk about evangelicals talking about sin a lot. catholics have been known to use that word a lot also. the way we get to that is an examination of conscience. part of that is what we should and what we should not do. what should we not do?

>> we had a town hall on this in atlanta. a white, he called himself an ally said -- you know, i am a recovering racist and i go to a multicultural church. but he said that things were getting so bad he did not feel any hope anymore. an older african-american woman stepped up and said -- that is white privilege. a retreat to cynicism is what we do not do. but hope -- and desmond tutu taught about this -- hope and optimism are not the same. i am not optimistic about what we are seeing right now but hope is not a feeling or a movement. desmond tutu acted in hope every day when there was not that much optimism around. how do we not retreat to cynicism, a privilege for those

that have to survive? how do you act in hope? >> i invite people to join the conversation on twitter. i'm going to read this. that should be a response. "the lord be with you." and i would invite colleagues to bring forward the microphone because we have some time for questions. if you could stand up here and ask people to line up instead of jumping around, that would be a great help. lineup behind this gentleman. i want to begin further back. ok.

congressman lewis, you crossed the bridge, not for love. you crossed it for voting rights. love was the way you expressed that. our friends at the democracy fund want democracy to work. but, it looks like we are backwards on voting rights. the supreme court invalidated major sections of the bill. people gave great speeches about how they were going to fix it. now, we have legislators trying to make it work. what is at work here? what can congress do? is that something concrete we can work on? after you crossed the bridge, after the voting right was signed -- it was not fixed. congressman lewis: we can fix it and we must fix it. the vote is precious. in a democratic society such as

ours, it is the most powerful, nonviolent instrument that we have and we have to use it. i believe that what happened in virginia a few days ago, last tuesday, the handwriting is on the wall. [applause] >> jim, anyone else on voting rights? >> in a couple of decades, we will no longer be a white, majority nation. we will be a majority of minorities. we are foolish if we do not see

that there is a strategy at work to take votes away from people of color. immigration policy. refugee policy. gerrymandering. the voter fraud, fraud. voter suppression. there will be voter fraud, voter suppression strategies coming from washington. that is what we are up against now. what john did on that bridge, that work is not done and to protect it, we have to understand the strategy in place to take votes away from people of color. mass incarceration is part of that. all of these things. we have to care about those things and get involved in those struggles in our communities. particularly as we approach the elections coming forward. >> jim, you are so right. i am convinced that there is a

deliberate, systematic effort to keep the same group of people from participating in a democratic process. when the pope came and spoke to the joint session of congress, he said -- we are all immigrants. we all come from some other place. what we need to do in america right now -- we need to set the people free. set them on a path to citizenship. open up the process and let everyone come in. [applause] >> in terms of the voting issue too, we have to do something about the lack of hope or the fact that we live in this nation and a great percentage of our people do not vote.

obviously, congressman, you and your colleagues in the civil rights movement spilt blood to get the right to vote. how many of our people, african-american and white people, do not bother to vote? we have got to really encourage the active participation in the franchise. >> we will turn to questions. i would ask you to identify yourself and put your question in the form of a question. [laughter] it is not jeopardy. >> my name is mark combe. i do not know how i ended up in georgetown. i am not catholic. my friends drag me over here every time i am not interested. >> they are all wonderful.

>> they are -- but, that is true. this is not really a question. i want to tell a short experience i had. i play poker. i am sitting at a poker table -- >> i hope this is a short poker game. >> this will be real quick. there are two black kids, one of which i knew and had played with before. she works at another casino. she has a good job. probably middle-class type kids. another gentleman, about my age and he makes a very racist comment at the table. and i say something to him. i say something -- i have a big mouth. the kids quieted me down.

they clearly did not want any part of it. they did not want an argument. they didn't want anything. like they wanted to ignore it. i am wondering -- i wonder if the younger generation has not run into racism or they just want to pretend like it doesn't exist anymore. maybe that is the best way. it is getting better. it will take care of itself. is that a pervasive thought? >> i can't presuppose their thought but there have been moments in my life when someone has wanted to stand up and say something on my behalf. a consequence of racism is wanting to protect yourself from further humiliation. racism disciplines you to keep

your place. perhaps, they actually appreciated that someone was calling out the racism, but sometimes in those moments, especially in a country that is so armed as our own, confronting racism you always have a second thought. as someone who spends a lot of time living with unhealthy anxiety. but it is grounded in the experience of not knowing what kind of exposure i have put myself up to. [applause] >> good evening. i have the privilege of working at archbishop carroll high school, the first integrated high school founded by cardinal

o'boyle, as you mentioned. for archbishop gregory and mr. wallace, i wonder how our churches need to change. given the fact that the current administration was mostly elected by people who identify themselves as christians but tend not to go to church. if we are talking about the role religious institutions can play, it is hard to play that role if religious institutions are not factors in people's lives. i wonder how you think the church has to change in order to inform that moral imagination. >> the first thing the church has to do is acknowledge that it also is racist. that the sin of racism is not a sin that is out there. it is a sin that permeates all of us. one of the things that pope francis does, and he does quite well, when he describes himself,

-- it was asked -- how would you describe yourself? and he said -- i am a sinner. and it was not just a cute response. it was a sincere response that as a minister of the gospel, i'm going to invite the people that i care for and serve to conversion and so i have to begin by saying that it is a journey i have to take with you. >> jim? >> the operative word in "white christian" these days is "white" and not "christian." that is a question back to the idolatry. how do we name this as white supremacy? it is an idol and idols are not from god. how do our pastors love our

people enough to preach the gospel to them? this is not an issue of politics or civility. it is a matter of discipleship. what does it mean to be a disciple and what does that call us to? our discipleship and our congregations are talking about racial equity and healing as matters of faith. we are not going to help navigate this bridge to a new america. it has to happen someplace. churches are critical. sports, little league sports are critical but congregations will be a critical venue for navigating this bridge to a new

america. if we talk about this in a chapel as an issue of faith that we are called to respond to. >> thank you for your work at archbishop carroll. it is an amazing place. >> i am josh and a master student here. the 50th anniversary of dr. kings slaying is coming up in april. no doubt we will see his face on a lot of magazine covers. what do you hope to see as part of that commentary? what do you hope not to see? >> well you think of that -- a story that may not be appropriate. i went to memphis. my flight was canceled. i had a day in memphis. i went to graceland. and i called for a taxi to go to the civil rights museum, the lorraine hotel where dr. king was murdered. the woman on the taxi phone said -- ain't no one ever gone that way before.

in terms of making the journey. we have to make the journey so that the people, including those at graceland, that they see the civil rights museum. congressman lewis: they don't -- what you just said. i plan to go -- >> you are the person here that knew dr. king the best. 50 years -- we have sort of sanitized him in some ways. it is wonderful that he is part of a national holiday but, as we remember his death, what should we remember about his life? congressman lewis: we should remember that he was a preacher of the gospel. he did not study to be a civil rights leader.

he was a minister of the gospel. he believed in the power of the holy spirit. the power of god almighty working through human beings. and i think he had, as he studied and became involved in the movement, i think he pointed to pockets of the beloved community. and you saw it. you saw it in selma, in birmingham, in montgomery and around our country. but, i also think when dr. king was -- if when he died, something died with him. the day and the hour that we heard he was assassinated, i was in minneapolis campaigning for

bobby kennedy. and i cried, like many people all over the world. and two months later, bobby kennedy was gone. but i did not lose hope. i kept the faith. that somehow and some way, we would survive. and i think, if it had not been for dr. king and bobby kennedy, i would probably not be involved in american politics today. i admired both of these men. had it not been for dr. martin luther king jr., i don't know what would've happened to meet had it not been for dr. martin but he freed me and liberated me. so, april 4, i am going back to

minneapolis and later to memphis. i have not been back there since that day, april 4, 1968. i am going back there early in the morning. and now, i'm going to make it back to memphis. we have to go back. >> any comments? how do we remember? >> the only thing that i hope in the reflection is that king's antimilitarism and questions about anticapitalism that at 50 years as a nation we can understand that was part of his greatness. [applause] >> the archdiocese of atlanta has been working closely with a number of our ecumenical and interfaith partners. while we have not flushed out a specific program, i suspect it will be an interfaith and

ecumenical service that day. from my perspective, one of my predecessors, the first archbishop of atlanta, paul hallidayan, was a friend of dr. king's. and paul died the same week. he had been sick, obviously. but i would like to combine those two because the archbishop had a profound impact on the catholic community, the interfaith community, and the 50th anniversary of dr. king's assassination might be a good time for me to realize the importance of the ecumenical fellowship that has to be the bedrock of our society.

>> jim? >> marsha said it well. his last speech had the three evil triplets, racism, militarism, and economic misjustice. he was not done. and we cannot be done either. there are already rumors about a poor people's campaign growing up around the country because of the 50th anniversary of that beginning and ending. but that is coming back. how do we bring this back and recognize that he was not done? what would he think watching the newscast that i just watched? what would he think if he saw what we were watching this evening? he would have a clear agenda in his head about not being done. what is our agenda for this 50th anniversary? >> he went to memphis and not nashville to support garbagemen who were striking for dignity, wages, and jobs.

next. >> i am a sophomore at georgetown. we have talked about women in the civil rights movement. we supplanted race and racial liberation for general liberation at a time when they were running concurrently. one of the marginalized groups in today's racial liberation movement is the black and brown women who identify as part of the lgbtq community. what is the church doing to identify with the black, brown community who are also lgbtq? my -- i tend to think that religion is conflicting with those that are part of the

sexual liberation. how do you reconcile that and support those black and brown people? >> who should we ask to answer that? [laughter] >> the first part of my answer is -- not enough. but, a wonderful jesuit -- james martin, has written a wonderful book in which he challenges both the institutional church, his catholic church, my church, to be in dialogue with the lgbt community to build bridges. and that has challenged a lot of people in my church because you do not want to build a bridge if you think you are already on the right side of the cliff.

but that, i think, is where we have to go next. and we are not doing a lot. about two years ago, i met with a group of parents of gay and lesbian young people. and they called themselves "the fortunate family." and they just wanted to talk to me. the last question that one of them asked me was -- archbishop, can you love our kids? and my response is, was to them, i have to love your kids. i don't have an option. and so, it has got to be a lot of bridge building. from both sides of the chasm. because i think, if the lgbt community has felt hurt, and they have been, they have built up a certain anger and resentment and if you're going

to build a bridge, you have to do it jointly. and i think that is the call we have to have right now. >> i heard the chimes. and we got a little bit of a late start so we will go a little longer. can i ask people to offer two questions together and we will ask the panel to respond. and then two more. and then we will wrap up. pull the microphone down, please. >> thank you for this opportunity. i am encouraged about the story that gregory said about being a presumption just because you are african-american. i am glad and honored. i would like a response from all of the panel. because this touches government directly. and to tell me how do i deal

with love in response to the anger that i feel when i am presumed, presumed what i am not? only because of the way that i look, and the way that i sound? i came back from canada on october the 23rd, a monday like today. at 2:00 along the border, congressman lewis, at 2:00 along the border in champlain, new york. we were passing customs. and my closest friends, they are white caucasians with blue eyes. he and his son. we gave the passports to the border patrol. and why did they choose me to run all of the databases to find out if there was something wrong about me?

they had no problem with them. but, they wanted to see --what about her? this is what he says --where were you and what were you doing there? and my friend responds -- we were visiting my friend in montréal and we are coming back. and he looked at me and he said to my friend -- and her? how do you know her? like he had picked me up down the road and maybe he was smuggling an illegal alien. i have been in this country for 40 years and a citizen since 1993. i worked for the federal government and i have worked with fema. i served this country and represent this country in three governments in south america. >> thank you.

>> they put us in a room to wait for 40 minutes and the border control called me. i think i better not say what he asked me because the humiliation was beyond what i can tell you. and the accusation was beyond. and i cried from albany, new york to boston, massachusetts. the love you are telling me to practice, teach me. [applause] and the understanding that you want me to have on the presumption of me not being a decent woman is unacceptable. i don't know how you want to respond to me, please. >> thank you for sharing your story. if you could add your question and then we will respond to several at once.

>> yeah, i think that first of all, her question is much more important than mine is going to be. i would just, in addition to the panel commenting on her question, to have the panel comment on race relations, not just with the african-american community but the latino community. the one that is disturbingly effected by the current administration. >> ok. >> i would like to add that it is not simply the black community or the latino community, although clearly we are at the butt of a lot of the hostility. i am also deeply concerned about the bigotry against our islamic brothers and sisters. [applause]

>> congressman? congressman lewis: i'm deeply concerned about what happened to you and many others. human beings. every day. because of the color of your skin. a. philip randolph, a black man who was born in jacksonville, florida, moved to new york city and became a champion of civil rights, human rights, and labor rights. when we were planning the march on washington, he would say over and over again, maybe our forefathers and our foremothers all came to this land in different ships.

but we are all in the same boat now. martin luther king jr. put it another way. we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not, we are passionless fools. we have to sensitize and educate people in our places. i don't want to become political about it. but when you have certain individuals, leave it at that, in high places, sending the word out there that may be you don't look like us and you are not one of us. then people become -- [indiscernible] that is not the american way. that is not the human way.

we have to work every single day to remove those scars and stains from america. we have to do it. >> there are i think three more people in line. four? three. we will forgo closing comments and i would ask that we could take the three questions and asked the panelists to respondent and we will begin to bring the evening to a close. please. >> i am a junior here at georgetown and a vice president of one of the naacp groups. my question is for congressman lewis. in your life, what parts of your ideology have stayed the same? what parts have changed? and how do you stay true to the revolutionary values of your youth?

>> that sounds like a term paper in the making. i am sure congressman lewis will handle that. >> i am a senior and a student worker for campus ministry. i wanted to know how you guys personally would explain racism to people who claim not to see color or race. a large problem i have run into in my faith community is well-intentioned people claiming not to see race in the hopes that racism will disappear. how would you respond to that? >> ok. and please, join us.

>> i am francesca and a junior at georgetown visitation. it is hard to follow such smart people before me. >> you fit right in. >> my question -- i grew up in washington, d.c. but i am a latina. how do we approach racism and white privilege in our communities, especially with those that refuse to acknowledge the existence of those things that exist in our community? >> these are great comments to comment on. how do you keep your values? how do they change? how do you stay consistent? how do you explain racism to people who insist they are not racist? and how do you talk to people that insist they don't see color

or ethnicity? >> well. congressman lewis: i think all of us as humans have some strange habits. really. within the civil rights movement, people discriminated. look at the people that spoke at the march on washington. it was all men. it was dominated by ministers who did not think there was a role for women and the church. right? and some of the leaders of the movement considered the movement their little church and discriminated against people that happened to be gay. one of the organizers of the march on washington was gay but there was not a role for this person to play in the movement. to play up front in open

daylight because they were afraid that a member of congress, a southern senator would stand up and say something about this particular person or the movement. so, i think we all have to find ways and means, just -- let us just get along and be friends. the scars and stains of racism are deeply embedded in american society. when i spoke at the march, i said there must be a revolution of values. a revolution of ideas. and we all have to become fully, more human. just be human. i see some of my colleagues in the congress and i say hello, brother. hello, sister, how are you doing

today? they probably think i am a little crazy calling them brothers and sisters, but we are all brothers and sisters. we are all humans. can we just be human beings? one big family? and blessed by god almighty. >> i am trying to think of you and president trump running into each other. [laughter] jim, can you take a stab? and then i will close. >> in los angeles, a couple of months ago, i visited with a pentecostal pastor. he is undocumented. he went to check in with ice to tell them where he was as he did every year and they detained him and they are going to deport him

after all of these years. a bunch of young people organized -- there is a new "my conversion text," matthew 25. they organized this matthew 25 group in los angeles and in two months they got this pastor set free. they beat ice and donald trump in los angeles. being with young people who are acting on what they think is true, the lgbtq, for example are all initials that our beloved of god. getting back to the foundation here. i like the fact that they took on ice in l.a. with the text and not a political slogan. and the text, won. getting back to the conversation, i think this is where faith has to shape and change politics.

but it's going to be all of our faith traditions, but if we don't put our faith in the action, we are not going to change politics. so when questioners come, like you, i always come back and say what is safety? what does that mean. the georgetown, you have the god squad the world all taken care of these students, but i think it we put our faith in the actions and not just debate politics, we are not going to win and we are in a serious battle for the soul of this nation. and the integrity of faith. those two are now at stake and they are tied together. collects the individual who says i don't see color, race, i would say then you don't see god's creation. because part of the magnificence of god's creation is difference.

root -- i didn't study science. how do things differ? creativert of god's create allt he can kinds of different things. as in the book of genesis, and clearly describes. so it is as it owns a difference, response is then you don't understand creation. >> i get that feedback and i say can you imagine the kind of pain that i'm try to talk to about? that sometimes is jarring. but i think we are at a point right now, where the resistance and the silence is not only a of people'sg

internals of stuff, but we have to presented as a real barrier to intimacy. if you choose not to see color, you choose not to close to me, and i need to know why. if i could make one editorial comments, at the african-american history museum, i've only been able to get tickets because my former able to give been them to me. the one object that i love the most is one of the smallest, it's a little silver box in which someone donated to the museum because a great, great, grandparents, his freedom papers were put in that box, and he had to carry them with him always. i think for a lot of people of color, with a guitar credentials, with guitar success, or patriotism,, but in

the sense, we have these freedom papers that are etched onto us. people are asking us the constellation of them. we have to get to a point where we just assume that everyone is free because they are valuable. [applause] >> what a night. i have lots of people that i should thank, and i'm not going to. on your program are a couple of upcoming things that i'm just going to highlight. one is the admin resources of our colleagues in mission and ministry. you can go online and sign up for daily reflections, which will help you focus the mind and your heart on some of the things we've been talking about, what faith requires.

there are other wonderful programs. this thursday evening, our initiative is hosting a session helpthe democracy fund's on faith, the common good, and democracy in a time of president trump and pope francis. it should be an interesting discussion. we are marking the 50th anniversary of the passing of a great jesuit. mop -- robertshop mcelroy who wrote a wonderful and melissa, rogers, and a law professor. song.an in prayer and we had wonderful reflections, candor, passion, questions. it is appropriate we end in prayer. powell,o introduce kyle

who grew up in brooklyn and he is part of the cast of 2018 studying history. he is a mentor, counselor, and a leader in our protestant community here to ask god's blessing for us, for our panelists, and for our nation. carl. please stand. collects as we and our time -- >> as we end our time together, let us take a moment to pray for our world and our time. please respond to each petition, give us hope, lord. pray that this dialogue be counted for the enlargement of our community. >> give us hope, lord. it we may come together for a common purpose and bring an that

which divides us. we pray. >> give us hope, lord. >> may our endeavors restore the dignity of all people and work for the common good of all, especially those for whom much has been taken. may those who were counted as little be counted as much. and may their lives be an abiding testimony to these efforts. we pray. >> give us hope, lord. collect >> let us pray for and will for commitments. may sense of personal accountability of for their struggles abide and may the light of love radiate out and he will be inviting wounds of our nation. we pray. >> give us hope, lord. >> may would be great to the vision to believe in a new world , where fear will no longer lead to injustice and selfishness will no longer bring suffering to others. we pray. >> give us hope, lord. >> finally, we ask god to with the active

persistence, to promote peace and justice and love encumber one another in the process. we pray. >> give us hope, lord. >> we close our government with a prayer that was first read my the archbishop of washington, d.c., as indication for the march on washington for jobs and freedom, august 28, 1963. , we comer in heaven who are assembled here in the spirit of peace and in good faith dedicate ourselves and hopes to you. we ask for films of your blessing upon those who have gathered with us today, and upon all men and women of good will. to whom the cause of justice and equality is sacred. we ask this blessing because we are convinced that in honoring all of your children, we show forth in our lives the lives you have given us. was this nation and all its

people, with a warmth of your love replace the coldness of springs from prejudice and bitterness. send in our midst the holy spirit to open the eyes of all the great truth that we are equal in our site. close understand that simple justice demands that the rights be honored by all. guide -- and guide the congress of these united states. they are judges in every court may herald justice and equity. let just lost be a ministered without -- be administered without permission. let no one be so powerful is to be above the law, or so week as to be deprived of its full protection. we ask special blessing for those men and women who in sincerity and honesty have been leaders in the struggle for justice and harmony among the races, as moses of old, they have gone before the people to a land of promise.

let that promise quickly become a reality, that the ideals of by our, blessed alike religious faith and heritage of democracy, will prevail in our land. finally, we ask that you concentrate to her service all those who are dedicated to the principles of the constitution of the united states. may we be sensitive to her duties towards others, as we demand from them or rights. may we move forward without bitterness, even when confronted with prejudice and discrimination. violence, know that the meek shall inherit the earth , but may this meekness of matter be joined with courage and strength, so that with your help, oh heavenly father, we follow the teachings of christ, your son. we shall now come out of the days to come to come, live together as brothers and sisters in dignity, justice, charity, and peace. amen. >> amen.

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