they will vote for the judicial nominee in tennessee. the defense department undergoing a full-scale audit and the house arms service committee gets an update from white house officials on c-span3. for more information on the criminal justice system, new america host a forum at 12:30 p.m. then terry mcauliffe with his final state of address beginning at 6:30 p.m. on c-span3. journal, on washington the end ofe on protected status for about 200,000 el salvadorans living in the u.s. then nanette barragan discusses

the future of dreamers as congress considers a fix to the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. then representative paul gosar discusses immigration policy and how it could impact a possible government shutdown. ♪ host: members of a congressional delegation from puerto rico plan to present credentials to the house and senate today in an attempt to be recognize, which would give them voting rights. it is reported to be a larger effort to have the territory be recognized as a state. this is the "washington journal." you are watching a three-hour program today. the president met with house and senate leaders yesterday to work on a plan to keep dreamers, immigrants coming into the

country, he gave them until march to hammer out a plan and a california judge has declared that the program make up the dreamers from being deported must remain in place for now. our first hour devoted to your thoughts on what should be done with the dreamers. if you think the country should let them stay in the united states, (202) 748-8000 is the number to call and tell us why. if you think they should be deported, (202) 748-8001 is the number. and for those currently protected, call us at (202) 748-8002. you can make your thoughts known on twitter and also on our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan. this meeting at the white house between the president and members of the house and senate were put before cameras and you can see it on our website at c-span.org. one person reporting on it this morning, also reporting on immigration issues, ted has been

on the phone -- hessan on the phone. >> thank you for having me. host: did the president lay out exactly what he would like to see in a daca legislation? >> i think what you saw from the president, as you mentioned it was an unconventional meeting, it was a large amount of lawmakers, nearly two dozen, and you had cameras in the room for 55 minutes as they went through the negotiations, which was unconventional. the president has not necessarily said exactly what he wants. he said if congress can come up with a deal and it deals with daca, deals with border security and other issues, he will sign it. host: when it comes to what he is looking for, is he at this stage at a point where he is demanding that any daca legislation still be attached to

le the funding? ted: there was confusion where dianne feinstein said would you support a dream act, something that would do with the dreamers, those brought to the country at a young age, the only deal with that segment of the population and to not do border security and other things, and donald trump said in the meeting he would support it, then later the white house went on to clarify that no, a deal would have to border security and then to other issues they are talking about as well, a reduction in family-based immigration, which they are calling chain migration, and the diversity visa lottery program that the president would like to terminate. host: so as far as coming up with a consensus, what is the difference between the exchanges that took place between republicans and democrats at that meeting and what happened,

or at least how they feel away from the cameras? ted: i think the meeting at the white house in a sense was not super productive but it did get lead negotiators on the same page about what they would like to talk about, so they agreed on what they want to agree on. essentially that was border security, daca, the family-based immigration, and possible reductions to that, and the visa lottery program. the on capitol hill you saw a lot of contention in the ranks, especially on the house side. house democrats, many of them are not in agreement with this kind of deal. they think that the daca program could be done alone and they could build a dream act that just deals with dreamers, or they think potentially there could be trade-offs on border security. but they are not on board with changing the legal immigration system, which is what the white house wants to do right now. on the conservative side in the

house you have republicans who think this is not conservative enough and there needs to be more enforcement measures. what the white house proposed in what was discussed has not gone far enough. so i think you have both of them pushing left and right. host: even as the discussion took place, yesterday a federal judge made a ruling specifically looking at the daca program. what did the judge rule and how it could -- how could it might affect the negotiations? ted: that is right, a federal judge in san francisco came out with an order that basically said the trump administration needs to restart the daca program, at least as far as renewals. new should not accept applicants, but people who want to a new their status should be allowed to in a reasonable amount of time, reapply and go forward. what it does is a few things, one it introduces an element of

uncertainty because one thing pushing negotiations forward right now was a deadline when many recipients in the program would've lost status, which is march 5. depending on how the judge's order goes forward, it could push the deadline into the future. we do not know yet. certainly it is expected that the trump administration will appeal the decision to the ninth circuit court of appeals, and depending on what happens in the appeals court, and whether it goes to the supreme court, it could take the case in a different direction. as of right now, there is uncertainty and it is entirely possible the program will begin accepting renewals under the judge's order. host: from all the events yesterday, where do we go from here when it comes to the future of the daca recipients? ted: i think there is still a lot of negotiating to go. we do not have a bill that will spell out exactly what could deal with their status.

as i mentioned, there is a looming deadline. some people have already lost status, due to not being able to renew or deciding not to. but also by march 5, the deadline the trump administration said, a large number of people with daca will start to lose status into will go on for quite some time after that. so really that is the far-off deadline where if nothing happens by then, people in the program will be losing enrollment and lose their work permits. host: that was ted hesson from politico, you can go online and see the stories from yesterday, thank you for your time. ted: thank you for having me. host: with that as a setup, what should we don't the dreamers as they are known in the united states? if you think they should stay in the country, call (202) 748-8000 . if you think they should be deported, (202) 748-8001. and for those who are currently under the daca program and you

want to give your thoughts, particularly on the events of the last 24 hours, (202) 748-8002. us,-spanwj is how you tweet or comment on our facebook page. north carolina, omar, you think they should stay. tell us why. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you. all our immigrants. to bookmmigrants, why on black people, we all can from somewhere. so they have a right to be hillock everybody else. here like everybody else. some people are in the army, some of them are going to college, some of them own businesses, so they are productive citizens. those that are not have to go. talkingnk everybody is

about who should stay and you should go, but if we have an honest conversation about how america was founded, everybody should know that america was founded on immigrants and [indiscernible] so i think they should state. -- stay. host: maria in new jersey thinks they should be deported. tell us why. caller: good morning. because we have to decide whether we are a nation of -- or we are not. to give preference to people who are here illegally is to make a mockery of everything that we stand for as a country. everybody in congress and the president took an oath to defend the constitution and all of the laws of the land. and i think that they better look in their law books and look

up subversion and treason. these people are no more entitled to anything in our country than any other person that comes across illegally. we have to look at revoking the part of the amendment that says if you are born here you are automatically a citizen. host: why should the same standard be applied to those who would come across the country illegally and of those brought against their will? caller: either it is legal or it is not. it is easy to be merciful, but it is at the expense of american citizens. what is difficult is to be just, we have to get back to what president eisenhower did and regroup and become a country and let all of those people who came here legally have preference over these people. if they want to be united, let them be united in the country of origin. i'm sorry, we have to look at for citizens first.

host: the obama era program was put under executive order with daca and some of the elements of the program, it would give on authorized immigrants who came to the country before the age of 16 a chance to stay in the u.s. they must be enrolled in high school or have a high school degree or equivalent. they cannot have a serious criminal conviction, according to the migration policy institute. those approved for the program are given a work permit, protection from deportation for two years, and benefits can be renewed. that was put under the obama era, the president currently has given congress until march 5 to come up with a legislative solution to daca. kristen is next from california. she thinks they should stay. good morning. caller: hi, i am a conservative. angeles california. i believe in the role of the law.

-- rule of the law. i do believe partially that they should be deported, however i do also believe that because they were brought here as children it is not really their fault. so i do think that they should be, they should be able to stay, however i think they should also have consequences. them,hould be able to tax tax them to where it makes it more expensive for them to actually go back, instead of going back to their country, making it more expensive to stay here and maybe they will actually say, i will go back to my country and be able to come back, because it is too expensive to stay. i believe that we should allow, give them the option, go ahead and to stay, but we will have to tax you a little bit more than it would cost for you to go back and come back. host: the migration policy

institute estimates from federal data that the current total number of daca recipients is around 689,000, with about half of those being unemployed, and 382,000 employed, and most of those employed in areas of entertainment, accommodation and food services, followed by retail, construction and education, health and social services. that is the migration policy institute giving us those numbers. ronald from washington, d.c. says deport. caller: good morning. how are you doing? i say deport and i like the idea that the young lady had previously, but i say deport. but in a way in which deport from all of our programs, get them out of the system. welfare, social security, all of our health we shouldhey have --

really take a lot of money from them. most of them do not even speak english. they do not want to be part of america, they just want to be in america and take up all the benefits. if you go to some of the schools, go to some of those -- i forget what they are called where they do not speak english, there are like 15 or 16 kids in those classes. it is really destroying our system. it makes us go against each other, when really social security and all these programs really work. but there are too many people on it. and they have not put a penny and it. it is -- in it. it is not as against them. i'm not is talking about latinos, i am talking about africans, europeans. the first thing they do when they come is get on welfare and start draining the system. they should not be allowed, even if they stay, they should not

have access to these programs. host: let's hear from somebody who has found shelter under the program, david and west virginia. david, tell us about your experience. so what are daca, you going to do? they said the problem is enforcement of immigration. what about these kids that are coming into, yesterday and today, they are bringing in here illegally. host: david, you called on our line for those who are under protection of daca, is that your case? dialed i doubt there -- the wrong number. host: we want to make sure that everybody stays within the right number. (202) 748-8000 for those who say let them stay. for those who wish to see them deported, (202) 748-8001 (202) 748-8001. recipients,e daca

there is a possibility will have to leave if no legislative solution is found, that number is (202) 748-8002. north carolina, alan who thinks they should stay. tell us why. caller: good morning. this is a great show. thank you, pedro. it is no fault of theirs that they were brought here. they were brought here under false pretense that they could stay. they were invited in to improve their lives and they have to live in fear because of this. president obama gave them two years. you are here two years and all the senate, what happens then? it depends on politics. and by doing this it was a great injustice to the american people and to the immigrants. these people come here thinking that they are set now and all of a sudden they are not. president trump yesterday, he is trying to make it a law, he is

trying to do it the right way. the fact that president obama wanted it to be a wedge issue. and it is. it has divided the country. these poor people are caught in the middle. host: how do you respond to arguments that other callers brought up for those who are enrolled in school, who get services come how do you respond to that? caller: that is another injustice to these people. we're supposed to let them come here and have no food, no place to live? we put them under a system, unfortunately these poor people, they thought once they get here that things would -- that they could jump into the system. it is hard to get a job. and it is a wedge issue, totally political. ronald reagan did amnesty. what was it, 300,000 people, 400,000 people in if we improve security?

we let them in but we did not do the security thing. the problem got worse under bush and clinton and nobody did anything. our president, i understand why people do not like him, but he is trying to do it the right way. host: would you be ok with the president accepting a daca fix without a border security aspect to it? caller: impossible. why would we do that? they continues the problem. that is ridiculous. if you have a problem, you deal with the problem, and then you deal with the effects of the problem. you cannot just continue the system the way that it is and - - that is wrong. host: let's go to and, lexington,-- kentucky. go ahead. caller: they are taking jobs from american people, they are taking up college space, because we had an american citizen here kicked out of a pennsylvania college because he said dreamers

are being deported, said he was kicked out. they should never get citizenship. i would be -- i think they should be deported, or i would support legal residents. they should have a different colored social security card, so we know they are not legal. i want to know how they get social security cards, because i have to have a birth certificate to get one, but they were not born here according to the democrats. most of them are over 18, they have known they argue legal, they have had -- they are illegal, they have had time to get citizenship. i never hear anybody in congress say that we need to protect americans. those kids get to go to school. how are they going? host: why would you accept them under terms of such as legal residency? caller: they cannot vote. the democrats put out a thing

yesterday that they only want to them here so they can vote. i do not think anybody should vote who was not born here. i am 68 years old and i've been voting for a long time and i was born here and i have the right to vote. i do not think they should, they were born in another country, regardless of what country it was. host: the policy tells us about the employment status under the daca program. most inployed, 382,400, services jobs. 47,000 in office staff, construction at 38700 and goes down from there. the migration policy institute, that is migration policy.org, you can find all the statistics, particularly for those under daca. and we are going to idaho. terrell says they should stay. caller: good morning. -- carol says they should stay.

caller: good morning. the reason i think they should stay, that i know they should stay, as we have laws and rules that say that juveniles are not held accountable for the crimes of their parents. and if the parents committed the crime and brought the kids in, then why are the kids having to pay for the crime of their parents? we do not do that, that is not what we do in the juvenile system. so i think the kid should stay and be able to, as long as they are complying with the daca regulations. host: as far as what you heard about yesterday from the back and forth from the white house, do you think the president made accomplishments as far as resolving the issue? caller: no, i don't. i think you said what he felt they wanted to hear in their meeting. you never can really tell with mr. trump which side he is on.

it changes too often. he gets a different group of people in he will probably say something different. "ost: the "washington journal. reported on the meeting. you can go to c-span.org to see if for yourself. some lawmakers saying afterwards they were confused about the parameters that the president favored. the group agreed that negotiates session negotiations would include the lottery program that admits immigrants, in addition to help for the dreamers, and border security, members of both parties -- one of the toughest issues is the element of a rity package. that was brought up by a texas democrat yesterday, who talked about issues he thought were being overlooked in the debate over daca.

here is the exchange. >> i always get a kick out of people who go down to the border, spend a few hours there and they think they know the border better than anybody. that we have lived there all her lives. if you look at the latest dea, look at the drugs, look at the latest report, more drugs come to the ports of entry than in between ports. we're not even talking about ports of entry. i'm just saying, ports. and some of us have been working at this longer. if you look at the 11 million undocumented immigrants, 40% of them came through these overstays, so you can put the most beautiful wall out there, but they will either come by plane, boat, or -- itself. and the other thing that we have to look at is, the wall itself mr. president, if you talk to

the border control chief, i've asked them, how much time does a you.by you -- gubuy they will say a couple minutes. >> not mine. >> but where -- >> without the well we cannot have border security. look at israel. look what happened with them. >> homeland appropriations, the former chief said that. the other thing is -- www.c-span.or [indiscernible] >> if you look at where the walls are at now, this is where the activity is where the walls are at right now. >> we have miles of area where people are pouring through. one of the good things, because of our rhetoric or because of my perceived, attitude, fewer people are

trying to come through. that is a great thing. therefore the numbers have been fantastic am a movie for all the right reasons. host: you can call and your thoughts on what should be done with so-called dreamers. if you think they should stay in the country, (202) 748-8000. if you think they should be deported, (202) 748-8001. and for those recipients of daca , if you want to tell your experience, (202) 748-8002. tweet at c-spanwj. saying montana diana, "we are america for you and me. little pink houses for all humans. we are a nation." must beher tweets, "we a country of laws." from staten island, anthony says the port. -- deport. caller: my grandfather came here from italy and he was sent back twice. the second time, that their time

he got back into the country he got into the country, he was speaking english. they sent him back because he could not speak english. he had to have somebody sponsor him for a job. he had to pay his way. nobody handed him anything. he did not give free schooling. everybody had to work. another thing i want to say about the wall, you do not want to build a wall? let me to you this, a suitcase bum comes across the border because they did not protect it, who will be blamed? nancy pelosi into the rest of them, it is their mistake by not putting as much protection as they can, because it will eventually happen and if anybody wants to see why i say that, look at 911. 3000 people died because of that. do we have to suffering because politicians are so interested in themselves instead of us? i am tired of them and i think that we should go to term limits for every single one of them. maryland, saysom

dreamers should stay. caller: good morning. i think both sides are making good arguments this morning, it is definitely important that we maintain the fact that this is a nation of laws and going forward we need to make sure that we do not have the issues that we are dealing with today, but the big issue that we are having right now is that they are here now. we made mistakes in the past and not upholding the laws, the constitutional laws and what have you and they are here, so what we really need to do is be humane. we have to have some humility and understanding. host: is there a sweet spot that can be reached between these ideas of keeping them here or deporting them, or conditions where they could stay in your mind specifically? caller: i would hope so. i would hope people would think that these dreamers are in no

way different than we are, as countrynowing any other other than the america that would stay there. i am 34 years old and i know that i would not be ready to move to mexico if that is where i was born. i was born here, but if i was in that same situation as some of these folks who are brought here as a young children, they do not know any different. so i want to ask the people who are saying to deport them what they would feel if they were in that same situation? they need to think about that. now that we have the problem, we need to deal with what we have here currently. host: the headlines on some of the usa - on some of them, the usa today talking about the president's declaration that he wants immigration to be "a bill of love."

washington times talks about the meeting and also about the president's stability in front of the cameras yesterday during the almost hour-long exchange with members of the house and senate. this before cameras at the white house. if you want to watch the exchange, go to our website. we can only show you portions during the morning, but if you want to watch it for yourself, everything that was said and the top is considered, again the place to do that is c-span.org. jason in baltimore, maryland, says that dreamers should be deported. go ahead. caller: good morning, how is everyone? my problem with daca is i'm not sure goes far enough, it only includes children not born in the united states. i think it should include all undesirable children, that includes but is not limited to children who do not brush their teeth, children who do not clean their rooms, and children who do not listen to their parents. host: charles in colorado, go

ahead. caller: i think all we need is love. huh? the whole thing, i think rubio had this right, why are these people coming here? they are not coming here to go to disneyland and hang out. they are coming here because they want jobs. so through the e-verify system, which is already there, this is where we can put this, on the employers. this is where we can verify these people. we need these people here. for the daca people, i agreed with the caller about three calls ago, who said the genie is out of the bottle. realisticallyinks that our country can afford and higher and of people to deport all these people, 11 million illegal people here now, it is insane. it is not going to happen. we do not have the money. host: that was charles.

the topic of dreamers for the next half hour until 8:00 a.m. give us a call, the numbers are on the screen. (202) 748-8000 if you say let them stay. (202) 748-8001 if you want to see them deported. daca recipients give us your thoughts at (202) 748-8002. puerto rico will become a discussion point today as a congressional delegation attempts to be recognized, formally given voting rights and haltzh, this is carll saying the efforts for statehood, seven members of the delegation appointed by the territory governor, after a successful referendum last year, under present credentials to the house and senate in a bid to be recognized. they will hear a speech by the nonvoting representative. and they will meet with statehood supporters later in the week. as they attempt to demonstrate in florida, to showcase the

growing number of puerto ricans who are able to influence domestic elections, including tens of thousands who have moved to the mainland since the hurricane. that was the new york times. in north carolina, we will hear them.hip who says deport good morning. caller: i am 60 years old and i'm a natural born citizen. and whenever i violate the law, i've always been prosecuted. so these people have been breaking the law and i do not understand why they should just get the law free. a lot of times these are felonies they have committed, coming across like that for whatever. host: even if they were brought forth not on their own volition, brought over as children and things like that? caller: the law is in place. the thing is, the adults that the majority not,

they should be sent back to country of origin. as far as under age people, you know, the united states government needs to work out some kind of thing with their country of origin to get them back. host: what do you think that doesn't the long-term, even if you take out -- does in the long-term, even if you take out the dreamers, what will it do ? caller: i don't know. the law should be enforced. host: other news, the house majority whip steve scalise. politico reported he will undergo surgery today as he continues to recover from last summer's shooting at a baseball practice. "i have been fortunate enough to make progress from the shooting last june. i will go to a plan to surgery tomorrow part of my recovery process." he said on tuesday, "i will remain fully engaged in my work as i heal and i look for to returning to the cap us as i can within the coming weeks." infirst return to congress

september after being shot during a congressional baseball practice in alexandria. the gunshot shattered bone, muscle and organs, leaving him hospitalized for months after being in critical condition. a police officer, a congressional aide, in a lobbyist were also shot on that day. jim in pittsburgh, says dreamers should stay. go ahead. jim from pittsburgh. charlotte, kendra, north carolina. go ahead. caller: yes, i think they should be deported. host: why is that? caller: because, they are sucking the system drive. what about america's children, what about their jobs, their education? i do not think it is fair. they need to be deported. let them get on the wait list to come to america. it is not right.

go back and do it the right way, because we are a law of the land, we need to follow the laws here. what about the 11 million who are here? what will we do with them? host: let's go to scott in georgia, who says they should stay. caller: hello. woof woof, the dogs. the dreamers, i think they should stay and i will tell you why.. my wife is from egypt. i have relatives from the other side of the world. i know these dreamers, they have been here for awhile. they are mexicans, they do not break any laws. they work so hard for this country. they are people. and for us to say, just because you have lived here for 20 years and you have not gotten in any trouble and you are brought here illegally, yes absolutely

illegally, but they are doing good and i think we should leave them alone. let them stay. and i think immigration, we should absolutely have some kind of line to get these people in l ine. but the people who are here, they have not broken any laws, they do everything they are supposed to, keep them here. they are great for our country. they are a mixture of everybody and they want to be here. they were jobs that are so hard -- work jobs that are so hard. nobody else wants to do these jobs. they do it, they get a case of beer, and their happy working 15 hours a day. is frome caller georgia, the migration policy institute tells us, according to their information, those under daca, 21,000 of those reside in georgia. with states like california showing 197,000. 17,000 --new jersey,

with 12,000 in nevada. 32,000 in new york. and others. that is the migration policy institute giving us that information. maryland, 8100 daca recipients. osen is.where t good morning. caller: good morning. i think the democrats and republicans should take politics out of it and they will have a solution. i think the republicans do not want to be on the losing end and the democrats do not want to be on the losing end. i came to this country, i am an immigrant, and my first job was nine dollars. and for the first few years i worked two jobs for two. years i had no -- years. i had nothing. now i would to college and i

have a masters in law. i am good. i do not see any reason for them to go back if it will cost more money sending them back. they should fix the immigration system, that is my point. host: the trump administration recently and often a protections for refugees from el salvador will be revoked as of next year. the new york times talking about the impact it will have on the job market. sayingory this morning, even if they remain illegally, those like the dreamers whose status is also in jeopardy, will lose work permits, potentially scratching more than one million people from the workforce in a matter of months. the american companies that employ the will be forced to look elsewhere for labor. "if you get up 26% of my employees, i guess i wanted to terminate some of the contracts." the chief executive told them in

the washington area, of a janitorial company, which 28 people with protected status, a handful from el salvador. you can find that story in the near times. samantha from davenport, florida. hello. you are on. caller: ok. hi. originally from west virginia and i think that i am speaking to a younger crowd. i see a lot of these people come into the hospital with no benefits and they have work permits and they work their ends off. most of these people that work in florida, no american -- you walk in and no american is willing to do the type of jobs they are doing out here in florida in the hot heat. even with house jobs, i know

some people, some americans who work in a warehouse and a 90% of the people who work with them are all hispanic people. and it is like, who is going to do these types of jobs once they are all supported? -- deported? i have a coworker who is a nurse at the hospital and the father to her children was just deported two weeks ago and now she is doing everything by herself. jobs and heed two was helping her to get her -- her today care of these children. host: if you go to the charlotte observer.com, the story, a lead story about a decision by a panel of federal judges who are taking a look at politics in the state. saying that the panel struck down the districts for the u.s. congress on tuesday as unconstitutional, part of gerrymandering, and give lawmakers until january 29 to bring them new maps.

stemmingfrom cases from act adopted in 2016 during a special legislative session. and more a new wrinkle uncertainty into the 2018 election cycle in north carolina, a month before candidates were scheduled to file for office. by allusly gratified voters men of it will have to endure another congressional election under an unconstitutional map that was -- map. that was allison riggs. andjudges are james wynn, federal district judges, william osteen jr., and others, unanimous that lawmakers violated the u.s. constitution's equal protection clause when they drew the maps to favor their party. the charlotte observer.com is where he can read the story. barbara in michigan, says

dreamers should be deported. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i believe jammers should be deported -- dreamers should be deported. when you reach 18 you have a choice to go home. you have benefited from our education, from the nation you have lived in, and you can go over it and to support your own country to be a better country. which mexico is doing, they have initiated programs to educate their own people there. those people are not schoolteachers. if there is a 4% of illegal immigration rate, there is also a 4% unemployment rate in the u.s. and people are not addressing that. we have work visas, migrant work visas, so there is no reason why you need to begin been the advantage of that when you can come over and do a migrant worker visa. you do not need to be given immigration status. the other thing is, we -- there

is -- when you have done something illegally, you should not be given the advantage of that. that is my opinion. host: helen from oklahoma also says deport. caller: hello, yes. thank you for taking my call. i do think that the illegal people here need to go back to their country and do things the right way if they want to come back. i actually know somebody that a family did go back to mexico and they had to pay a fine in mexico. host: why do you think that applies specifically to dreamers as well? caller: well, they are illegal. there are people who are waiting in mind to come here legally. and, i mean, why would you give preference over somebody who has broken the law? and when you keep saying they

came here and a fault of their own, they are not children anymore, they are over 18, right? they are over 18 and they could actually look at it as an opportunity to learn their culture and language. so, and then come back, apply to come back. like everybody else does. my husband came here legally, he was an immigrant, and he did not get automatic citizenship. he had to wait for 10 years to get citizenship. and he did it the right way. host: from what country? caller: he was from grace. -- greece. i do not think that you should pick one group of people where they get citizenship and they broke the law. why would you do that? host: west virginia, gary says the dreamers should stay. caller: good morning. how are you doing?

i know a number of them and they have come up with my children and gone through college. they do not -- they have gone through school, they have graduated, gone on to college, and they are paying for this on their own. i have watched them work. it is a shame that they have to go through this. and we might as well go to new york city and knock miss liberty off of the pedestal. it is not meaning anything. and i listen to these people who say that they have a choice. no they do not, they have never been to their country, they have no clue at all what is going on when they get back down there, so i can't they go ahead and -- they have put in their time and learned everything, all they have to do is get a chance to go down and get sworn in and study

and become an american citizen. host: to those other points, the points that were made that even as you explain all that, some people say that they are still here illegally. caller: they might become a there are many people here that have come here illegally. if you look back, probably in your ancestry and my an ancestry -- when my family came from poland we were illegal aliens. and it just kind of came on as time went on. americanized, i guess you could say, because my grandparents were never sworn in ever. but we are american citizens. isut -- that is how it but that is how it is. people are saying they were given this or given that, no, they have worked to be doctors, lawyers, paramedics and everything else.

in the military. now the military used to be, if you spent two years in the military you were an automatic american citizen. the japanese did it during world war ii, the germans did it during world war ii. host: ok. we got your point, thank you for: fred one exchange that took -- for calling. one exchange that took place yesterday, one thing that the representative from hawaii brought up was the topic of the border wall. here is that exchange. >> from hawaii, the only immigrant serving in the u.s. senate right now and i would like nothing better than to get immigration reform, but what i hear right now is a commitment to resolving the daca situation because there is a sense of urgency. you have put it out there that you want $18 billion for a wall, or else there will be no daca, is that still your position? >> i think we can do it for

less. somebody said $42 billion, this is like the aircraft carrier, it started off at $1.5 billion and now it is at $18 billion. we can do it for less. we can do a great wall, but you need the wall and i am not getting involved. i like to build under budget, i like to go under budget and ahead of schedule. there is no reason for seven years. i heard the other day, please do not do that to me, seven years. [laughter] we can build a wall in one year. and we can build it for much less money than what they are talking about. any excess funds that we will have a lot of, it will be built under budget and ahead of schedule. there is no reason to mention seven years again. i heard that and i said, i said i wanted to come out with a major news conference, tom. it can go up quickly, effectively and we can fix a lot of areas right now that are really satisfactory if we

renovate the wall. >> do we know how many miles you are contemplating, whether it is $17 million or whatever? >> there are large areas where you do not have a -- not need a wall because you have a mountain or a violent river. host: that is available on our website c-span.org, if you want to see that exchange. the washington post reports on another topic that came up yesterday during the discussion, about the discussion of earmarks. "allis what was written, to for: we heard on capitol hill, without earmarks the custom of individual lawmakers pushing taxpayer funds toward individual projects --" >> trump says i heard so much about earmarks. in the old days of earmarks, you can say what you want about certain presidents and others, then went they went out to

dinner they all got along. that was the earmark system. the president only briefly acknowledged the flip side of the debate, that abuse of the process, that they were treated for bribes and political favors enforce apelosi to one-year memorandum, and john boehner abolish them under gop rules in 2011 and the current speaker has moved that to beat back attempts to revive them cents. the washington -- since. the washington post has that story. harry from oregon says dreamers should stay. caller: think you for taking my call. it is very cruel to treat thseese people this way. this is the only country they have known and they speak english very well. here in oregon, more people are dying than being born, so we

need to help our population. this will be a great way to do it. and how to do it is grant all these daca dreamers dual citizenship of u.s. and the country of their urgent -- of their origin. that way they can stay and help our economy. that is all i have to say. host: ron in florida. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: fine, thank you. caller: i hear a lot of people talking about fairness. i was wondering, where is it fair that our country's immigration policy is being dominated through one region? if we are a fair country you have immigrants equally from around the world, not just people running across the border. shouldn't went is, have an immigration policy that favors our country as far as a country that has been an ally to ours? we have never been aided in a

war or any other matter that i can think of from south of the border, but there are other countries in this world actually aided us and fought shoulder to shoulder with us in wars, where those people are waiting in my to come to this country. that is my statement. host: would you apply -- you talked about allies. he left us. bob from maryland. good morning. you say that the dreamers should be deported, tell us why. caller: i have a lot to say. my family also immigrated to here many decades ago. in the not only principle of fairness that i do not think it is right that such a big event -- some should be given special treatment, but i will be honest with you. my family came from korea.

and it may sound very ironic and shocking, but i do not want to live in a country, in america that is let's say dominated by koreans and korean culture, because if you look at most of these people, most come from countries that are rampant in corruption and other social problems and imf for that they will bring in the same type of mentality, problems to this country and that is not the america that i want to live in. ok? so that is my own reason, also this country being -- from third world countries with different values and cultures. host: bob in maryland. many are times taking a look at

-- the new york times taken a look at retirement in the house in the house and what it means for the midterm election. highlights the announcement by representative from california, 30, the number of republicans who will either be leaving office or seeking one other than the house. mr. roy punctuated the trend that leaves his party on treacherous footing as they try to maintain congress, and more coming. the republican from arizona expected to announce this week that she will leave her swing district seat to run for the senate. democrats will gain 24 seats -- need to get 12 four seats to control the house, and if , thelicans lose 30 seats story goes on to say that the losers are far more the rule. the best case they can make for maintaining control, maybe the number of candidates running and gerrymandered districts. that story available to you at the new york times.

john is next in arlington, virginia. says dreamers can stay. caller: the problem is the fraudulent nature of the system. we keep the dreamers, you want to deport the parents? we have this automatic, temporary situation with the el aitians --nd h we say we cannot ask them to leave because they've been here too long. the system has to be changed. but the mexicans pay for the border wall and enforce the e-v erify system, because the nature of our system right now is employers get away with cheap labor. unless we change that aspect, the system is going to be, it will just hang on us like a tree that is getting to rot and will fall apart. host: john in arlington. usa today highlights a new

effort by the trip administration when it comes to veterans, new benefits for veterans. forng that the order homeland security and veterans affairs, they must amid a plan to provide access to mental health treatment and suicide prevention resources. we want them to get the highest care and the care they so deserve, said the president. the veteran cemetery said in 60 days of the a will offer a full year of mental health care to all departing service members. "only 40% of the service members who had coverage in the v.a., now 100% will have coverage." line onork, for the those who wish to see the dreamers deported. michael is next. caller: i have one point, do we allow the children of criminals to keep their ill-gotten gains? uy robs a bank and his

innocent children have been recipients of the money. he gets caught, to the children get to keep the money? host: what is your point? caller: ill-gotten gains is ill-gotten gains. host: tim from wisconsin. hello. caller: good morning. thank you very much. i believe the dreamers should stay. here is how. ande is -- a $5,000 fine they pay a $20 a week over five $80 billion.es to the wall, $18 billion for the wall. people have to remember, that is ild billion, we could buy factories along the border and

instead of them coming into the country, put them to work and they would be building their own town and it would look a lot better than a new berlin wall. rights, onlyvoting for those who serve in the military, and thank you very much for having me. host: final call on the topic of dreamers. we will continue on with this topic as we have two members of congress talk about the topic, but in the news recently, particularly when it comes to refugees from el salvador, a discussion of their temporary status next. will explain with a protected status is, what it means for those who are from el salvador, and overall for refugee policy. all of that coming up when we continue with "washington journal." ♪

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this is been used for a number of different countries. it has been used with civil wars in africa, natural disasters in central america to give people a chance tuesday. host: the program came under scrutiny this week, including with the issue with the el salvador in's -- el salvadorians. guest: it has been going on since 2001. the white house made the decision it was not temporary, it had gone too long and they would ended. the reason other presidents have let it go on is these are people who have been in the country a integrateand they into american society and have work permit since 2001. so other administrations of not wanted to end it, but the trump administration decided it should. i eventually think that would be a political issue. guest: here are the two sides.

one side said the temporary program should end. areother side said these people who are hard-working contributed to american communities, let them stay. 2001,el salvador since from honduras since 1999. how many of those categories currently exist? guest: i don't know how many exist now but they have been reduced. haitians are ready have 18 months starting in the fall to leave. spaceect hondurans will the same fate. host: if i'm one of those people who got that announcement, what does that mean for me? guest: it's a life-changing announcement. been back to el salvador in 25 years in some cases. they have been contracting members of american society that

of raise their kids in most kate -- cases. they don't know if they stay in the u.s. or try to move back to a country they don't really know anymore that has real violence. >> if they decide to stay, what happens? to keepome may be able working, but a lot will have to look for jobs where nobody is asking for papers and that means taking a big pay cut. host: if they got caught for something. guest: any moment of the day they could be caught. the government will probably not go after them. if they get caught for any reason, they could be sent back. aboutour guest to talk the idea of temporary protected status. if you want to ask him questions, you can do so on the phone lines. 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans.

for independents, 202-748-8002. if you're under the program and want to talk about your experience, it is [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, .-202-748-8003 how does this compare to other administrations? guest: they have been generous on the times. you have a major multibillion-dollar effort to try and help el salvador, honduras and guatemala. they are mindful that doing this right now is doing some real damage to those countries. these countries depend on folks here sending remittances back. it's a generous amount of time, , that iswith 18 months likely not a lot of time. host: they are not tepidly -- are they classified as refugees or those filing for asylum? refugees have really

direct persecution. these are mostly people that did not qualify. it wasn't direct against them but they were affected by general conditions in the country. a country that has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. the highest outside a country at war. these people may not be subject to the rest -- direct persecution but do they want to be sent back with a could be in danger. host: if someone has this type of status, where can they work, what kind of benefits are they eligible for? guest: if you have temporary protected status, you can do anything in american can. you can do anything in terms of work. these are people who had real legal lives in the u.s. for a long time. one thing you can't do is in most cases it's very hard to transfer to a green card. it's hard to get another status.

the statute made it very hard for people to transition and that's another question. a lot of the people might qualify for other kinds of relief in the country but they can't. host: as far as health care, what is available for them? guest: they are a lot to have some benefits after five years in the country. very few seem to have welfare benefits. particularly if they have citizen children which is where most welfare benefits go. most of these folks after 20 or 25 years. host: do they get medicaid or health care provided by the state? guest: i believe they can. i'm not sure on that. as farhat is the set up as we are talking about folks under gps. arizona,cott still, you are on. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: thanks for taking the

call. believer of we are all immigrants. i'm attempt generation american but i firmly believe from a strong military family, i believe in immigration. like australia or canada, it has to be merit-based. these immigrants from all of the come and put us in a position whether it's medication, education or a string on the economy. i watch the news every night. by of the news is crime different cultures that are problems. let's face the facts here. if we don't stop this, we are either going to go broke or there will be a civil war. guest: thanks for your comment. the one thing we do know for sure is that immigrants are much

much less likely to commit crimes then native americans. people growing up around immigrants are much less likely. which is quite surprising. what we don't knows the economic benefits. there does seem to be dispute. immigrants are twice as likely to smart -- start small businesses as native americans are. there is competition in the economy with immigrants. we do know almost half of all immigrants coming to the country have a college degree. nativeborn americans about a third have a college degree. a little bit less for people in central america, but not a surprising find. maryland, annapolis, dena, republican line.

to ask yournted guest to comment a bit about temporary protected status and advanced -- i know a lot of people from el salvador that come to the country that are on tps means they have not been inspected, they just show up crossing the border as we know. they will get an exempt parole which means we will allow them to go back to their native country for many reasons and then allow them to come back into the country as they continue to stay in the country illegally. i would like him to explain to whatbody else out there those together do for us that are here. the second comment, a lot of those people on tps also have

their children here that are members of daca. all cameldren here here illegally and then they all come back and continue to be here illegally. host: thank you. guest: your question about advanced parole. that allows people who are here with some legal status or any other refugee status, any number of categories where they've been legally inspected already and it into a legal program but they are not in a category like the green card that allows you to come and go. it allows you to go back to your country. usually you have to have a specific reason. there has to be a child getting married, your grandmother passing away, there has to be some reason for advanced parole. a number of people with tps have been able to apply for that.

it is very hard for them to leave the country. you have to apply specifically to the u.s. government with a compelling reason. they are granted and denied. most people don't end up applying for advanced parole. some of them do because they have something in their country of origin. host: what's the difference between those looking for tps and those who get it? guest: anyone who is in this were a lot apply for tps. as long as they didn't have a criminal conviction. if you had a felony or two disk -- misdemeanors, you could not apply for it. it was very hard. no one knew at the time they would get tps when they came in. 2003ould not walk in in and said let me do it retroactively. host: so if a country is declared in some distress, is it automatic guarantee you will receive status? guest: if you apply and you

don't have a criminal conviction. there are other ways you can exclude you if they think you are a threat to american society. host: she mentioned children if a person receives tps and they bring extended members to the u.s.. guest: it doesn't give you any that other legal status is due. if you did come in with a child who was eligible for daca, they are eligible for daca as well. andrew of the migration policy institute is our guest. if you want to see the research he is talking about, go to migrationpolicy.org. guest: we are a think tank that looks at migration policy. we are nonpartisan, we don't take positions. we are not for or against tps or

daca, but we try to understand trends in u.s. immigration policy. how people become part of american society and then we work a lot with the rest of the world. we have been looking at issues of refugees and immigrants. host: were you surprised by the ministrations decision? guest: not at all. the trump administration has been clear they see temporary programs including daca and tps as temporary measures that should not be sustained over time. it's a change in philosophy. they believe immigration is harmful to the american economy. a different position taken by bush or obama, reagan or gw bush. this is a shift in how the government sees immigration. the other piece is they've taken the position that temporary programs should be temporary. things done by executive order should be done by legislation.

we have seen this with daca. president trump said you give me a legislative fix, i will sign it. it is both that sense they want fewer immigrants, but even the ones they want, they want them to be here through regular order. host: california, independent line. caller: good morning. i have a comment and question. i'm sympathetic to guatemalans especially because i lived there in 1980 and saw the massive genocide of innocence indigenous people and thought they should have protected status. the same thing with el salvador and nicaragua. so i am sympathetic to that plight. the other question -- the

question i have is about the armenians. areae in the los angeles stream ofe this huge armenians that came into the country with protective status matter what their financial situation was, they were eligible for medicare -- medi-cal and all kinds of benefits because they were refugees. long if thathow say forever, i know you this now there are certain time limits, but it seemed like the armenians had no time limits at all. you.: thank great question. i don't know the specifics on the armenian case, but one is you come in with a temporary status.

you have fewer rights on what you can access and it is temporary which is why we're seeing in and in this case. for a long time but it won't go forever. then there are refugee or asylum where you have a real fear of persecution and that is permanent. we accept a certain number. it comes with a different process in american immigration system, we accept people, check their visas, figure out if they have a real persecution. once we say yes, we do a series of things to help them integrate into american society. we assign them a place to go. they can eventually become a permanent resident of the u.s.. my guess is the people you are referring to probably came in from armenia either from there or turkey through refugee status and that is a permanent process. host: democrats line from california, nicolas. caller: one comment and a question.

that is a was the argument the foreigners taking everyone's jobs when clearly that is not the case, they take the jobs that americans won't take any way. my question is not with everyone of course, but do you think with some people there is an underlying unconscious racism? guest: that is an issue we have trouble researching. we have not actually gotten into the cultural factors and whether people are uncomfortable with that. i can tell you what we know overall is that almost all studies show immigrants are a net benefit to the economy, they are hugely entrepreneurial as a big part of the engine and also in small and medium-size businesses around the country. small stores and restaurants where a lot of immigrants invest. but there can be a facts.

reasonable people disagree on whether they compete for jobs. there is an issue on if certain in silicon valley are being competed for unfairly by people coming in and of using the rules to do that. there are questions for people with less than high school degrees if there are competing studies, but clearly that is something where reasonably people can disagree. there may be a net benefit for all of us but there could be tensions further down in specific job categories where it makes a difference. people can disagree on this. host: in the new york times they of an editorial about the plight under el salvadorians tps. in 2016 about 4.6 billion in remittances accounted for 17% of el salvador's economy.

that is put into american coffers by those under tps. guest: it is very large because all immigrants pay taxes. to gif we manage somehow uncle sam, where always paying sales tax or rental, property tax whether we are renting or buying. most of these people who are under legal like tps. tps folks, they are almost all in the formal economy and are paying tax. they sent quite at home to their families as well because they are helping grandparents and parents back home. host: for those were americans they have social security. how does that work under tps? guest: they have a social security number as well. they're are the trappings of an american life in many ways. there are a few things they can't access.

in many ways they have been able to have a very american life. host: did you say voting was one of those? guest: they cannot vote and they cannot transition most categories of legal status. there are real things that are different. in terms of having a legal job and paying taxes, they live like the rest of us. host: how do you make sure they don't vote? you are supposed to have proof of citizenship when you show up to vote. there as near we can tell than isolated abuses, but they have been very isolated. colleagues of the american dialog have surveyed and find voting is not something very high on people's radar screen. they want to be here to earn money and raise their children, they are not terribly interested in the voting side. they might if they became citizens one day. guestgreg is next for our

in virginia, independent line. this guy seems like he's playing it right up the middle until the last comment about the remittances that go back to south america and other countries. whether they got it degree in some uselessly not helping the country. , i'mthey get to voting age sure he's here to help out all the other immigrant friends. 90% of them will probably vote democrat which will bring the country down the communist road. host: question or comment for a guest please. caller: i work in construction and i've heard painters and drywall or's and roofers call into this show and say they are taking jobs from them, they have undercut them. they start businesses because they undercut the american. they have three families to a home and i could go on and on on that. you got to them for 287. yearses of not gone up in

because i show up on job sites. this is heavy construction, concrete work raising historic buildings and i can't -- there is no one who speaks english. i'm at lunchtime and everyone is headed to the roach coach speaking spanish or some other foreign dialect. this is the question, is there economic competition. some people in construction -- this is as good as mine so i can't tell you there is no competition there. you are seeing what you are seeing on this. this is thenow is history of the united states. a hundred years ago people from italy and ireland were coming in. you go back further, people from germany coming in from scandinavia. people work long hours, much more sparsely than we are willing to do because they come from more precarious places and they are very entrepreneurial. does that undercut people here?

probably not because people here already have other assets. people here have a set of cultural skills. so people may be willing to do things the nativeborn americans aren't, but native americans -- nativeborn americans have a set of assets to deal with as well. host: are we seeing any trends emerging from the trump administration on how to approach refugees? guest: we have seen a huge cut in the refugee cap. the processing has gone down. the obama administration raised the cap. the bush administration raised the cap. the trump administration has decided to cut it to 45,000. it never quite reached 110,000 but we were allowed to go up to that many. the position on this would be we need to get our security situation straight, we are

taking people from countries like syria where most people are good legitimate flow -- folks fleeing a dangerous regime, but you might get a terrorist in their so we need to beef up security measures. the other side would say these are people overwhelmingly who have a real fear of persecution and we do a great job of letting these people and we should be a leader in the world. it is a big part of our reputation around the world is being seen as someone who takes in those facing persecution. host: for those the trump administration excepts as refugees, what are we seeing as trends? guest: they've made it harder for certain countries to come in. they've a list of nine or 11 countries with extra vetting and very narrow window to go through to come here. shifting the balance away from a number of muslim majority countries. i think as we are stressing it is not a muslim -- as they are stretching.

they have become much more subtle in this, much more nuanced. they are looking at countries where there is a reasonable fear there could be terrorist infiltration. people on the refugee side will tell you we are to have some of the best vetting in the world and it takes about a year and a half to get in on the refugee program. there is a question of how much more we can do on this. host: what was her take away from the discussion of the white house over daca and dreamers? guest: in many ways when you get asn, we're not as far apart they seem to be. we know we are in immigrant society. we are also a country of laws and people know we have to be able to enforce the laws that we have and that includes immigration laws. you can see the glimmer of how we actually have a civilized conversation and work out something like daca in return

for some sort of enforcement measures or we can put this on the table and talk about copperheads of immigration reform in return for real enforcement. when you get down to the policies of it and the details of it. going from those big ideas like we saw yesterday to the brass tacks of how this happened, we get lost along the way. host: we will hear from david on the line for democrats. thanks for waiting. my question is considering the temporary status of these people, why are they paying in social security? they are never going to get any of that money back so why are they paying into that? my second question is what happened to the debt that these people have accrued when they are deported from the country? that is considering everybody. guest: good questions.

they pay to social security because of you stay long enough or adjust, there are some narrow ways like if you get married to an american citizen, in certain cases depending on how you came in, american citizen children can apply for you to stay in the u.s.. there are some ways that some of these people can stay in the country and this is in the courts right now to figure out who can stay, even who has those categories for getting married. that's why we have people paying in. anyone that comes to work in the u.s. can pay into social security together is a chance you might stay. debt is an interesting one. if you get deported and you only mortgage, you default unless you pay from your country. there are people who hope to come back and they want to keep their credit worthy so they keep trying to pay that. it is obviously a risk from the credit side to lose some of these people.

host: mary on our line from democrats. caller: good morning. this morning i was listening to the early-morning calls and i felt like i was in a cesspool of hate. i'm glad you are doing something about it to help people. i want the daca people to stay here. i want everybody that wants to be here to stay here. everybody the called up today are immigrants. the native americans are the people who were here first and the rest of us, we came whatever way we came. , when all kinds of people the europeans came over illegally, no one says anything. why is that not brought up? all these to coney and laws are fueled by hate, it is not necessary. this country belongs to god, this world belongs to god and that's the person who makes a physician who comes and goes. guest: the only thing i can say

is i think my position on this is these are issues we should be able to have a civilized conversation about, recognize that we do need immigration in this country, we have always had it. a reasonably people can disagree on how much immigration. should people come in with work visas are temporary, but we should have a civilized conversation. have should -- we should one that's respectful of american communities and the immigrants themselves and then we can disagree in a way that outs and tries to figure the best policy for society. host: when we talk about dreamers we tend to think of them as young people. what's the average age? break that down for us. guest: the dreamers are increasingly older because this is something that was done a few years ago so you increasingly have a number of those in their 20's and 30's. they are still young in the sense this is still a young adult population, but it is not

a youth population. host: we have caller struck the morning saying those of the could go and adapt to a country and they made it sound easy. how easy is it? guest: i talked to a number of dreamers and some of these have never been in the country there are born in living memory. other folks i've met when they were one or two and they don't know that country. they don't have the basic skills , cultural skills to adapt quickly. i think some of them would do well if they ended a moving back. they know english, they are well educated. do well inactually their country of origin, but like any of us, suddenly being in a country we don't know or have a vague memory of, they don't really have a connection. host: i kind of tend to think of them from the southern border. is that the case or there are

other -- or are there other exceptions? them from allt over. mexicans are but the largest number, but there are dreamers that come from every country and from every socioeconomic level. mccain and with professional parents and folks are came in with parents who are farmworkers. host: maryland, elizabeth, republican line. because i'mcalling listening to mr. sealy. , as is a u.s. program refugee program. iran into a woman who sits in on the meetings of this resettlement program and a lot of what he is saying is simply not the truth. we are having tens of thousands the middleople from east, from syria, iraq, --hanistan, they come in and

in the middle of the night, they don't speak english, they claim they don't know their names. this is a woman who sits in on the u.s. program, i'm not just talking about anybody i ran into on the street. they give them food stamps, medi-cal, medicaid, clothes and cash. then there is no help setting -- vetting. she says they put them right on the plane and put them all over america. anywhere they want to go. you are aually if refugee coming into the program, you have been vetted about 18 months before you get there. you have gone through very extensive process with the state department. while you are in a refugee camp or in holding somewhere else around the world before you are coming to the united states. once you get to the u.s., these are folks who we go out of our

way to take care of in a way we don't with most immigrant groups. this is a group we take special care of to help them get on their feet. we saw health and human services did a study and what they find is refugees over time give back much more in terms of taxes than they take out in terms of benefits. but it takes a few years to get there. right now the mayor in montana is a refugee from sierra leone. years ago from sierra leone and ended up living there. others of his they don't prosper in american society. this is something, we were the leaders on refugee issues after world war ii, a lot of the refugee regimes around the world were things the u.s. helped build because we were concerned about people being displaced after world war ii and being persecuted. these are things we believed as a country were really important

to take care of people fleeing persecution, i think it is a legitimate argument to have today about where we want to position ourselves, but it is something historically america does. host: is that totally borne by the taxpayer? guest: yes. unlike other immigrants. thate canada and australia are really high intensity on every immigrant, we are on most immigrants. -- we are in most immigrants let them go through their own devices. with refugees, we do what canada and australia does. we give them food stamps, housing. early on it is much more high intensity, but the numbers show up in most of these folks do well over time and are net benefits. host: for those who don't want to stay here, is canada an option? guest: generally not. you can't go apply if you got it here. you apply for a work visa or something else.

but we have just canada will not take people that don't want to stay here. host: independent line, hide. caller: good morning. and we haveda brought in several people here in two south florida because of the weather conditions. my specific questions you and if you can help explain. i've traveled all over and outside of the country, one of the components here in this program you're talking about is banking, who considered been the money -- send money. for example in europe, i had to spend my cash, they send it to a broker, i got cash before i traveled overseas. these people are here for extended periods of time playing their mortgage debt paying a mortgage in el salvador for example and they want to exchange, do they get a better exchange rate?

how does this work in terms of up here where we are paying such high taxes for these people. my question to you pedro is could you please for the washington post read all of the people who are in the writing and bylines when you start off in mornings on whose writing those articles about trump. thank you so much. guest: people have the same option we do which you can send money western union or through another wire service. a lot of people use bank , a lot of bank other international bank accounts. atm, it is a to an lot cheaper. people in rural areas tend to send wires back-and-forth. it is pretty much the same rates that we deal with as well. the taxes is one of those questions that's debatable. people who are here pay taxes, but they also access tax funded

program so there is some debate about which is more -- clearly as we have more educated , this debate will not go away. right now we have a legitimate debate about whether people are paying more in or taking more out and the best wisdom we've seen so far is in the short term when people get here, they probably asked -- axis more cash funded programs but they are a net -- and they are a net beneficiary for the programs. independent line. caller: back when reagan and bush were in office, i remember we had a shortage of doctors and they would tell these foreigners if you come over and we will pay for your medical practice and everything else and then if you stay here, we will pay for your education. we probably had a shortage for

affordt people couldn't to pay for the school and to be a doctor. deporting and all of this. there was a bill passed that if you committed a crime and you are a foreigner, that you were to be sent back but they never activated that bill, but obama did and then to turn around and say obama didn't do anything about foreigners is a lie. guest: i think one of the shift we have had is a obama was very targeted. the government was retargeted on deporting people who had criminal convictions. almost all the people he deported had criminal convictions. the trump administration expanded that so they are still theyng with folks, but widen the criteria. so if they catch you for minor violations like a traffic stop they are more likely to consider you part of the deportable pool.

that is the shift. obama was focused on serious criminal records. the trump administration followed that but said if we catch you for other things we will also included. peopleseeing a lot of coming to american universities from abroad. most people pay for themselves. some of those people are able to transition and stay on work visas. and be citizens of the united states over time. that's why we are seeing such a large number of professionals. increasingly about half the people on immigrant peace -- visas have college educations and some have them before they get here. host: andrew seeley with migration policy, thank you for your time. open phones until 9:00. democrats,0 for

202-748-8001 for republicans. independents 202-748-8002. we will take those calls when we come back. ♪ day,nday on c-span's q and author and wall street journal could sure bitter with his book "the accidental president: harry s truman and the four-month the change the world." >> truman was terrified to give this speech. he talks about it, he prayed to god that he would not mess it up. , he looksthe stairs out and sees his wife in the crowd crying. she is crying because roosevelt is dead, the nation is in shock and she never wanted to be the first lady, she never wanted her husband to be the president. he has to get up there and inspire confidence in his new administration to the whole world.

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for more information, go to our website. >> washington journal continues. host: until 9:00 we have open phones. 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. the hill reporting on steve bannon stepping down from breitbart news thing he step down as chairman on tuesday making a stunning call. the former white house chief strategist helped turn it into a right-wing juggernaut has been forced out after the publication of the book "fire and fury" where bannon is quoted about making disparaging remarks. this is become a headache for the white house. the president to medically reviewed his former chief strategist. the president has called him

sloppy steve while the white house sought to diminish his affect was on the campaign. "and, first call is ray from idaho, republican line. caller: good morning. i don't quite understand the lottery visa. i've been fighting since 2010 from mexico and nothing has been done. , i'm disabled veteran tired. and does that mean no more people coming to the united states like my wife? host: what is the main holdup in bringing your wife? i do not know.

here and brothers and sisters here. i'm not really sure. i was always gone in the military traveling because it was a combat soldier. host: we will here next from sandra in massachusetts. caller: good morning. to the program a minute ago when we were talking the immigrants that come over here and they get the money , they get the homes, they get everything. i've taken in two homeless family so far. i'm a poor person. i took in and got them off their feet and put them on their feet. they are working now. they have their own homes now. i want to know what is being done for the people over here.

i know immigrants need places to. i feel sorry for them, but our priorities should be first for the american people and soldiers. tois waiting for his wife come over after 50 years and and bleeding them drive. i will also want to know what are they doing for people that .re on opioids that have died my grandsons have died, my daughter has got into that and it's ridiculous. i'm losing people right and left. get something done over here, stop focusing on other things. host: that is sandra in massachusetts. joe arpaio is making a bid for the u.s. senate out of phoenix saying the former arizona sheriff has announced plans to run for the u.s. senate seat now held by jeff flake. republican-old is a

and close ally of president trump. he tweeted tuesday is seeking to impose -- support the president's agenda in his mission to make america great again. a possible jail sentence when the president pardoned him for disobeying a judge's order in immigration case. phil is next, republican line. had is the comments i the gentleman you just had on who said he was from a , butrtisan think tank every statement he made was in favor of illegal immigration. obviously it's an addressee group -- it's an advocacy group. he very much mixed the data when he was talking about things such as the crime rate among illegals. he then said immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. yes, immigrants are, including legal immigrants. illegalou just take

immigrants, the crime rate is significantly higher than the average population. no question about why they don't just import the ones who are illegal who commit a crime. they should be deported immediately. finally he said that many of the people who are been here for decades have no connection back to their home country but then he strongly supported the idea that they could go home and visit their families and then come back in even though they are illegals, they get to comment go. they've overstayed a visa or came in illegally and they get to come and go back and forth to their home countries. which supposedly he was saying they have no direct connections to. the contradictions were obvious. host: public in line. the biggest elephant in the room or the biggest hypocrisy is that slaves did not

immigrate to the united states. that is what nobody ever said. blacks did not immigrate to the united states. you took the germans are french, but they were not -- they did not migrate here. is owed toat descendents of slaves people has never been paid in this issue to make an sure the descendents of slaves people never get reparations or repair for the damage done. nobody ever talks about that. that is the biggest elephant in the room. the first people to die in the revolutionary war were free blacks. host: the wall street journal , nicole and arruda talking about the position on the death penalty reporting on the decision made monday. jeff sessions authorized prosecutors to seek the death penalty for a man charged with killing two gang members in detroit.

he cleared prosecutors in a land of to seek a death penalty against jarvis wayne madison who was charged with shooting his estranged wife in 2016. the justice department is considering seeking the death penalty against the manages a killing eight people in november by driving a truck onto a manhattan bike lane and against those codefendants in the 2015 slaying of two teenage girls by ms 13 gang members on long island. california, democrats line. caller: good morning. at the high end of the spectrum there are people, for instance donald trump's building he bought for $40 million and sold to some russian or $100 million, you have anybody i guess if you have half $1 million can come in and get immigrant status. when you are paying that kind of money for buildings, the rent in

them is going to be high. so all of these people that have this kind of money to invest of course we will have a lot of homelessness. people can afford their rents now. .rump is also duplicitous what his son wanted a special waiver so he could pay low wages to have somebody come in and work in the winery. i don't think there is anything in this tax plan that's going to stop corporate america from outsourcing jobs. host: mary in woodland hills, california. about therk times president's upcoming physical and what he is inspected to undergo. the white house release of the same amount of information shared by other presidents. we may soon know more about his lifestyle and the fast food affecting his health. it is like slightly it will yield in-depth insight into his psyche. the white house is mr. trumbull not undergo a psychiatric exam

or any other forms of cognitive testing that may screen for mental disorders. our review of annual checkups dating back shows there is no template to follow this for ministering physicals are reading our results. leg any other medical patient and other presidents, what mr. trump ultimately reveals to the public will be up to him. it is scheduled for the walter reed medical center in bethesda with a closed physical readout to him by the rear admiral the navy and a current white house physician. dr. jackson oversaw mr. obama's physical and was part of the team involved in one of mr. bush's physicals. the story goes on to say that would still be expected to be screened for problems like unusual anxiety or stress, but physicians involved are trained to observe him if any other patient and ask questions for clues to such problems. christopher is next, tallahassee, florida, republican

line. caller: good morning. beingyou for all you do fair and unbiased and thanks for coming to tallahassee with your boss. i got to go see it. what i want to talk about is this. everybody keeps talking about this dossier, i was just wondering, we just got these text messages talking about that somebody needed an insurance policy if trump was to become president. , i wonderought was when that text message was sent, the date of it and i was ,ondering if after that date did anybody show up at trump trying toe a russian make it look like they were working together? that is my only thought. everybody talks about the say information

that was maybe against hillary. my only thought was if you wanted to try to destroy the president, you would pay off some russians, like the ones that showed up at trump tower with false information and try to make it look like they were colluding and make sure they leak that quickly to the media, that story leaked very quickly after they met. i was just wondering if you could look at the dates of when those text messages were sent and then ask yourself did the russians show up after that point? host: before you go. for those of you who don't know, we've our c-span bus traveling to the 50 state capitals across all the states. what did you learn from your time on the bus? caller: i pretty much learned you are willing to go to all 50

states, even hawaii you're going to ship the bus there. it is mostly for the youth out there. you get to see how our government works and you guys really show us for yourselves. c-span literally shows these people, democrat, republican, all of them speaking from their mouths. you guys don't show no biases. you give it the way it is. you guys and keep doing your great work. host: if you want to check out our bus as it travels through the state capitals, including alaska.nd go to c-span.org and find out about the capital tour. state legislators were least key legislators and officials on the state will end up on this program. all of that availability -- available at www.c-span.org. dianne feinstein related -- yesterday released the full transcript of the testimony

before the committee. kevin writing about the release of that information available online. highlighting a couple of points from the testimony as well. saying that christopher steel going to glenn simpson testified told him the fbi had a source inside the trump operation although he was not sure if that meant the campaign or the organization. news's 10to nbc dilanian later tweeted that the supposed walk in source was a mischaracterization by simpson. source came out saying glenn simpson only became aware of the meeting between donald trump, jr. and a russian lawyer when it was reported to the new york times, saying i was stunned. also glenn simpson saying he is no reason to believe the russian but ig the campaign,

think that is a reasonable tradition. release of from the the testimony by senator dianne feinstein. dave in denver, colorado. democrats line. i'm calling about immigration. i'm a native american indian. and a people calling in point about immigration calling they try to stick to the rule of law saying immigrants are here illegally. i want to let people know that they are here illegally according to our laws. i wanted to point that out because it upsets me to see these people talking about the rule of law when actually they are standing on a trapdoor because they are here illegally. areuld like to know if they

not, what tribe gave them permission. as far as yesterday, the meeting we watched yesterday upset me because we were watching apartheid in america. a group of christian white men making laws for the masses of people of color, like what they did to the american indians. you are all here illegally unless you're an american indian. next withhampshire is catherine on our independent line. caller: good morning and thank you. how toa suggestion reamers could remain in the united states and become u.s. citizens. before, dreamers of the country in central america or south america and go there and work in agricultural business, educational, medical, programs for one year and then when they came back they would be

automatically given u.s. citizenship. this would be terrific for our neighbors and the u.s.. each dreamer would be a goodwill ambassador. and i thank you. >> the topic of dreamers will be the topic for the next few guest joining us. we will hear first from a netrnia democrat barragan of what democrats are willing to give in order to protect dreamers. arizona republican on immigration policy, how it could impact the possible government shutdown, those discussions coming up. ♪

truman and four months and the world. roosevelt's service was -- he climbs the stairs, four stairs to the pulpit, looks out wife crying, she's crying because roosevelt is nation is in shock and she never wanted to be the first ady, never wanted her husband to be president, she's frightened, she's frightened for him. has to get up there and nspire confidence in his administration in the whole world. the whole world has to understand that america will continue. the war will continue.

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>> "washington journal" continues. >> our first guest is nanette barragan, democrat from california, serves of the trict and member homeland security committee, good morning to you guest: good morning. may not knowse who you on the program, a little bit that your background brought you to congress and how you use that to help you in mmigration and daca and dreamers. >> thank you. i'm the daughter of immigrants mexico. everything happening with the anti-immigration policy is not people in my district, which is 70% latino, but very personal for me. my mom came over for a better life for her kids. said, you here, she have to be a doctor or lawyer and get out of this world. and i want to pass out, i decided to go into law here.nded up just really i walk into the

building and pinch myself and i can't believe i work here. the daughter of immigrants, the was able to make it, beat the odds and come here for shington now to fight the very community that is under attack. perspectives and input given on the topic of daca. where do you stand on this and fix by congress? guest: you know, we've been hearing conflicting information, even from the visit yesterday at the white house. this is an issue for me. who is a amily member daca recipient and hear so many stories.aking from the beginning we have been and continue to ask for a clean know if l because we that went to a vote on the floor, we would have the votes. colleagues on the other side, this is political people's lives. push, to askuing to that there be a vote on the dream act before any spending

bill. it is not part of anything else, would like a clean bill, a fix to this, especially because support for rtisan that is what we're pushing for, the reality of congress and politics is different and we know that there are discussions on about what can be that is w where compromise can be reached. make no mistake, i want a clean bill and that is what we're pushing for. say border icans security and daca have to go hand in hand, what is wrong with approach? guest: well, i sit on homeland security, we have had discussions, authorized discussion, there is border border security measures in place. there are places we can add border security measures. look at yesterday, i had a hearing on homeland security and of entry, our airports and seaports, which by the way, threat to terrorism in this country is where we should

be investing money and those are borders and ports of entries we should be spending money on. into my son that come committee will tell you any kind of wall, like a speed bump, it going to solve the problem and it is really i think a waste of dollars. could there be discussion about adding border security measures? sure. that all the time in homeland, it is not a new topic. is become more politicized with the president in his anti-immigration and anti-immigrant speech. host: there is some gift as far funding for border security, what is acceptable? what can you vote on? looking to even start there because we have the dream act, that is the real starting point. ay don't we put this thing to vote f. we did, i don't think you would have to go down that road. should be a conversation that is part of comprehensive

imcombragz i gragz reform. it is the appropriate place to have it. we got a glimpse from the he was t who said willing to do that, which i think would be the more this.riate way to go on host: do you hold to that as far as what you saw and heard about yesterday? guest: no, he put out a tweet later on, this is reality, we can't trust this president when comes to immigration, that is why i'm working hard to talk to colleagueos a bipartisan basis, in congress, because closed tell us behind doors and some have been pretty vocal, as well they are willing support the dream act, the problem is with leadership who vote. put it to a just take a look at what happened yesterday. camera he president on saying he was willing to do the act and then move in a second stage into the comprehensive immigration reform. carthy who eader mc

stepped in and said, mr. had to stop him and try to save the president at go backwards.d to that gives us political reality of the conversations, is something -- we haven't seen a lot of anything from this, ican leadership on all we've heard, what the president put out, which is too that there i know are conversations going on on would l, on what that mean. look, i would support having custom and icers, border officers down at the ports, where seaports are there. funding to go to airports. so there are areas where we could supplement our ports of a ry and i think that is place funding to go to that wou

compromise. host: nanette barragan joining until 9:30 to talk about the issues of daca and dreamers. ask her nt to questions, democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. do you take cut from the decision from the california saying for now the daca program has to remain in place? start, i'll great be honest, i think we've seen the supreme court hold a prior his, i have to tell people, we really can't let up hill, on the legislation, congress has to fix this. it should be a legal issue, at point, congress has to fix this and we know there is for rt across the country this and know there is support in the house and the senate for this. a vote.got to get it to host: first call comes from kent in princeton, new jersey, democrat's line. you're on with our guest, nand napd, hnand -- nanette barragan.

hello. caller: hi, representative barragan. i've had a middle-ground idea for a long time and you use the citizen and i would give both ord citizen up for the dreamers and for the parents. the e the idea that if parents have been here 10 years or 12 years and been upstanding of their communities. not citizens, they are not citizens. have been working and paying property tax through probably and been contributing in other ways and i to say never as had anybody going after them for felony, but they might have been involved in what we call offensives orduct personal or something like that. if they is that even had that, had two or three ingle charge, we know they don't get good representation and might be told to plea by

defender, i would even ignore that. i'm upstanding member of the community. i would say let's get them on to type of card, the card i have in mind is nongreen card, i on't care if it is red, blue, purple, green, what color, entitle them to be permanent united states, any contributions they make through legit nat employment to social security or all the programs, they are entitled to contributing are to. maybe some people wouldn't want pelh gralgrants, they will pay that money back. you for your idea, i made a few notes, i will take to washington and some conversations when we get closer to immigration omprehensive immigration reform. now there actually is bipartisan

upport to put dreamers on a pathway to citizenship and quite a number of bills on that. act is one of those bills. so i think for now, continuing have that bipartisan support is a good idea. i agree with you that there are many immigrants that come to his country who have been good members of the community, who ave paid taxes, who work and contribute to this economy and that we should take a look at that situations so families are not broken up. we keep them together and we ave an opportunity to let them contribute to enrich this country of ours. thank you for your ideas. this is malich, rlington, texas, independent line. caller: how you doing this morning? guest: thank you. calle caller: -- i've been a life-long democrat since i've been able to vote. the fact you are pushing for

daca program for 800,000 people people who came here illegally, employment here, use here, went to school and didn't do anything toward war i, vietnam, didn't do anything, which is fine. the country they have come from hasn't evolved to the point they need mass immigration from that country. secondly, do you push for criminal justice reform? millions of people, who have phony convictions who still vote. when ou upset and dominican republic kicked out of the country? they jumped the line ahead of eople who started the process legally. they send money back to their country, the currency exchange which is ge for them, fine, but whose job did they take? whose opportunity did they take? 11 children, your children had

11 children living here, did or put for schools school board taxes in to the schools they were going to? grandparents had to bust their knuckles to vote in this and ry and they come here get resources necessary to them? host: thank you. uest: thank you for the question. you raise a big issue that ctually will highlight one of my -- for the state of the union. immigrants who come to this country, who can pick up a weapon and fight overseas in a zone and if they ie, the government will make them a united states citizen. but if they survive, they can to the country and still be deported and that is a tragedy. i think,eal injustice, and this is something we have heard some colleagues on the aisle say thathe they want to help support and fix the situation. immigrants come to this

country, contribute to the economy and become doctors, they nurses, our teachers and are paying taxes and are of this rich country and i have to say, when you take a veterans he issue of who go and serve and then come like nd can be deported, this should be at forefront of things we're talking about and not. my guest who is coming for the tate of the union is one of those people. came to this country, was an immigrant, signed up, went and deported. then got now in his situation, he's able back, he had the governor's help and was able to ome back, he was in my congressional district, bringing him to the state of the union to see if t this issue and we can bring awareness to it. know this and 't i was just in afghanistan for the thanksgiving holiday to troops overseas. i talk to them and they will

tell you, they don't care about of those fighting next to them, those that are aving their lives and who have their backs, so i think in this instance, you raise an issue is one we need to look at for veterans. host: representative, you wont this, the ed by president tweeted about the topic of southern border saying, this isery clear today, from the discussions, our country needs security of the border, the southern must be part of any daca approval. do you think that some type of march?nt will happen by if not, what happens then? guest: i have to remain hopeful. have to continue the conversations with our colleagues because at the end of the day, i think if we get something on bipartisan basis can agree gislators to on the house and the senate side and send it to the hopeful we can have leadership talk to him and get him to sign off on something like that. we will have to see what they

under with, what is put the table, but i will be first to tell you as somebody who sits homeland security, the use of $18 billion on border wall is a money.aste of it really is, it should go to things like our children's program that we need to have funded, disaster and f that has been done certainly we can use some of that money to put into our our seaports. there are plenty of areas where there are shortfall necessary vacancies to keep our country safe from the prime i think the greater target no doubt is terrorism, take a look at what happening in airports, what is happening and how immigrants country that this have been linked to terror attacks. stories of t hear terrorists coming to the south really all and so it's unfortunate to see the president

go back to the wall, this is it makes our job more ifficult in washington to get the legislation done and i tell people, if this president was about daca, we would have a vote today because the republicans have control of the of the hey have control senate and they have the presidency. if they were serious on daca, we get that vote today, it would pass today and we could othern and talk about the important issues facing congress. host: the president did address talking hisues when desire for more border security. i want to play you what he said bout the topic yesterday and get your response to it. guest: great. pres. trump: it is the in immigration policy in the united states. if any conversation about daca s being held without that consideration, i agree with border security, as well, any conversation about that will not in the united states senate f. we think we will divide one ide over the other, that will not happen. pres. trump: i think migration

has taken a big hit over the months. people see what is happening. people, for instance, the man on he west side highway that killed the people and so badly talk d, incredible, they about wounded, they don't say arms are off and legs are off, legs, eight st two died, they don't talk about the 2 people that have no legs, no arms and all of the things, i'm talking about everybody. you lly believe that when talk about the subject that we're all mentioning right now, they had how many people came in, 22 to 24 people came in the killer, the guy who ran over many people, eight 12 are really badly injured. lot of lly think that a people are going to agree with subject. that host: representative, what goes through your mind when he makes those connections? guest: well, this is the again, making immigrants look like criminals

and generalizing it. is no dispute even amongst whenrats in my party, that you have criminals, murderers, should be ose people sent back. that is something that is undisputed. happen we're seeing unfortunately with the president congress is ers of this huge brush stroke over immigrants and they are bad peep and he will they are criminals and that is not the case. is unfortunate to hear, you know, the whole concept of that migration and ending is really more separating families keeping apart. when in essence, people and families are better together and really have been contributing to this country. it is unfortunate to see the rhetoric, i'm not surprised. host: representative nanette barragan, democrat serving 44th

district. linda in kentucky, republican line, you are next for our guest, go ahead. aller: yes, i have a comment about the immigration status ere that there is so many now flooding into our country, it puts a threat to the american people, it scares them. i think that should be taken into consideration by the immigrants. the border oss illegally, that makes them a criminal. that, isn't that the same as coming in with just trying to steal their way into here. the man that called in from really appreciated his comments, he made perfect sense. is the way a lot of americans feel about the situation. i wanted to ask you you're 0 -- your

parents were immigrants from mexico, why do immigrants -- why do they in here and claim they are building and working to country better when really it is not true? host: caller, you are cutting we'll cut you short. apology for that, from what she take anything you want to from that? guest: first, it is a myth there is a flood of immigrants coming country. it's been stable for the last decade. is not something that accurate and i think it has been pretty stable. ook, for my parents, it was coming to this country for a better life for their kids. who would have imagined when my to this country, that her youngest would one day ecome a member of the u.s. congress? the story of people who come to contribute, nd there is such a huge wealth of them and i think that really a look at who

is grants are, this country made up of immigrants it is a country of immigrants and so, know, i understand that people have a different perspective, but really think contribute to this country and i don't know, i know she had question, but from what i heard, those were the two points. host: next call from silver maryland, raymond, hi. caller: hi, good morning and call.you for taking my congressman, my point is about strategy for the mid-term election. you know trump won the election because of immigration and i think republicans are this daca against democrats, they are going to didn't l, how come you fight for the health insurance are am as hard as you fighting for the daca children? a democrat at, i'm and i support it.

i'm a democrat, too. politically, don't you think you should fight more equally for the chip program as hard as democrats are daca?ing for the that is my point. guest: thank you for that. sometimes lost, but shouldn't be, democrats have been fighting on the s-chip sure m and making children's health insurance program is funded. t is actually one of three measures, including daca, health program and relief, disaster relief for places like uerto rico. we have said, look, this is what we want to of a continuing resolution, any type of year-end spending bill. those are democratic values and priorities. we are continuing the children's health improvement program -- insurance program, excuse me. will tell you, not long ago in the house, we had a vote

republicans and ave offered to pay for the children's health insurance program by taking that wayreseniors and that is no to do it, either. that is what the hold-up is here. to fight on the daca issue and on chip program. listen, daca has bipartisan upport amongst democrats and republicans across the country is this is something that actually an issue that people want us to work on in a fashion.an they can use it, i don't think will get them to really get a whole lot of support. if you take a look at things plan, not to go off topic here, but those are things hat democrats are going to be pointing out to see, look, who is being helped by the other has been the top 1% and those at the bottom are really

only to pay the price, going to hurt and increase income inequality and those are we will make central in the next election. host: republicans account take democrats didn't want to give you tax cut or border security for support of messages coming up in 2018. guest: they could be, when you the tax etails of how program works, i don't see how it will pan out and we'll have to see what the voters think. i mean, even a tax plan isn't popular across the country on sides and so that is something that i think people understand what is happening there. ashland, ohio, independent line, gary is next. questions.ave three one, what is the cost of the illegal immigration? number two, what is the cost of immigration? and three, what is the ideal of the united states

considering we have 90 million unemployed or underemployed? host: thanks, caller. uest: i can tell you that immigrants in this country contribute in 2016, $2 trillion gdp, they are actually adding to the economy and and as far economy as population in the united -- i , look, you know, we can't even begin to answer that question what the population should be. not one to start entertaining policies where limit how manyto children people could have, but issues in lot of that and i wouldn't even know where to start. florida, dy from republican line, you're next up. caller: hi, i want to make this succinct. one thing i would like you to try to tell pleasespeaking people to try to speak english when you're

out in public, if you can. because it makes us feel like we're kind of like being when you don't try to mix in with us. the second thing i wanted to the teenager r hrough the boot lift when that occurred and went out looking to get a job because everywhere i you d, they started saying had to be bilingual. i'm in america, i couldn't speak spanish. i think they need to make a greater effort to assimilate. another thing i want to say, they work so hard, my sons work two and three jobs, they got scholarships, they got degrees and they still work hard. working hard, not just immigrants and daca, working ard for their families, not serving us voluntarily. host: caller, you put a lot out guest we'll let our respond. fweekt i bed how difficult it is and today's age, people are

having a hard time finding jobs that is something we are trying to address and make sure we create more opportunitys and can help grow the economy. i can understand and feel your pain and that ability. as to your comment about speaking spanish in public, be the first to tell you, i have no issue with people doing that. myself. i certainly don't do it to try to make anybody feel out of place. some of us just feel that there feel moren people who comfortable -- my mother, her first aking was language, my first language was spanish. when i talk to my mother, i do spanish, whether in public or private because that is how with d i best communicate each other. i will tell you this is we hear every now and again about, but in los where i for example, represent, it is a benefit to be

bilingual because we have such a people whoulation of speak different languages and i'm not just talking about spanish. there is a need for translators of ifferent levels businesses, within the military encouraging our youth to have a second language is a good thing. i was in high school, they required that, and so i a nk this is actually positive to have people speak two languages. i certainly encourage those country to learn best h, to integrate as possible and the reality is that i think if you know two an asset these days. host: nanette barragan, member of homeland security committee, from california, serving 44th district, thanks for your time this morning. another perspective from arizona republican paul immigration policy and

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clean daca bill means -- e is host: have to come together, can't be two separate entity? have to.ey series of promises kept, what at have to do looking back the '80s, ronald reagan said he ould have never done the immigration fix if he knew it ge got border security. host: previous guest talked about the dollar figure attached what the president would like to see calling it too much. guest: building a wall? cost for illegal immigration is over $100 billion, that is a bucket.the deterrent always works. along the arizona border, we have rough terrain, and ways to do that and other ways to look at that, as well. part of our e, lower border with mexico is

cruz. santa high ground, low ground, lose ic flooding, we businesses, infrastructure, houses and work. cost-share here the suggest share said between andco and the united states arizona. infrastructure project is better than the wall. ideas can be utilized, waste water, high ground, we're why not build that look across the border making sure they take care of it. there is lots of great things, look at this. $100 e talk about over billion in cost for illegals, l border making sure they on the estimation. stru -- the as fiscal physical structure. that willre are areas not tolerate a wall, not going terrain.n in that rough other areas, like southern

they just have wire fence, that is all. another.rom they are entitled to that same protection we in washington, arizona or in n northern california are entitled protection. type of host: paul gosar our guest, if you want to ask questions about over daca, ussions dreamers and border security, phone. do so on the 202-748-8000 for democrats. republicans andr independents, 202-748-8002. where do you stand on dreamers united are in the states? should they all be deported out of the united states? i want -- his point, one thing i offer side long-term visitor status. a broken immigration system. we have to ditactically break into single issues to share with the american people. immigration is a core fabric of this country. this gives them certainty and

is here to know who and make sure they are following the law. status mean checking into the post office every year, showing have you no felonies or have eanors, you certification for people vouching for you as citizens, assistance.ublic that means certainty and you to be able to d be validated and worked community.it your then get back to what it takes to be a legal immigrant. we got hundreds, millions of people waiting in line,ing decades, paying hundreds of this happeneds of dollars. look at that detail first. the patrol problem based upon that. look at sovereignty of a country. can tell people who can come, who can stay, how many can stay, look at chain igration, look at birth right citizenship, all those things have to be taken up to do this

so that we, way back to the rule of wall, equal application of the law, making everybody comes under the bypassing.and not host: let you talk to the viewers, your tweet talks about that alifornia decision was made and your response to it. thinking what your was when you saw that decision? guest: absolutely. program was illegal gives immigration to congress. did dent obama, when he this 23 times didn't have jurisdiction to do that. i was one of those people that something on the speaker's desk, violation of the act.eficiency congress gave montow agency for proper jurisdiction and upholding of law there is no law on daca. illegal use of funds, violation anti-deficiency act. scalia taught us

congress controls purse string and jurisdiction of lower court. to reign in the ninth circuit and judge jumping an illegal , is action. a right.speaker had congress has to have the conversation, not the judges in the lower courts. this is a discussion for the house, the senate and if there court.verview, supreme host: let's go to calls, this is from texas, republican line, with you are on representative paul gosar of arizona. go ahead. caller: good morning, congressman. guest: good morning, john. caller: my question is simple, i a heart for the dreamers, but i do not think their mom and stay, their get to grandma and grandpa, if we give want now,rs what they next agenda, scream to high want their family and everybody else to be here. that is my first point. the second one is real funny. that ninth circuit court in

california, they say donald them is incompetent, well, judges are incompetent, they need to have their head exampled. thanks, caller. guest: john, in reverse order, and look atwe usurp courts and holding them responsible. there is a vestige for impeachment, applications that congress would bestowed about are doing dueurts diligence. our first point gets back to the part about president yesterday about chain migration. use this family issue very effectively from the other side that is that we don't blame dreamers for being here, they lawbreakers. we don't traesz chain migration, we allow the victims, the children, to bring in the lawbreakers. what t get this because made america great was everybody had same application of the law, don't see you respect this country when first thing you do

is break the law. that is why it is personality to migration being part of the discussion for whatever the dreamer class. i don't believe citizenship think be part of that, i we should have a status that allows them, as i said earlier, standpoint, that is why we have to have detailed conversation about each immigration rt of because so complex. when you say comprehensive lot oftion, that means a stuff stuffed underneath there that you don't like and you know. this is something that you, the people, should be shared with what do you want the immigration process, we are land of immigration, exactly right. legal immigration. host: jean is in arizona, miami, democrat's line. guest: how are you doing this morning? caller: good morning, how are morning? guest: doing good. caller: i'm 79-year-old disabled arizona, in miami,

1939. for your love you service, sir. caller: don't -- me about that. this country nothing but a bunch everybody, deport out here except native americans. reservation that hould deport everybody except native americans that came here first. host: okay, thanks, caller. you, well, i will tell thank you for your service and revious congressman taught me that we say miama, but you know, obviously we don't understand the history of the world. i can't rectify those problems created by people before. lost in times nd of discovery. trying to go back to origination native americans doesn't get you anywhere. you can't relive history. to do is look to the future.

united states is a wonderful country like it in the world, regardless of what you may speak. we have all different nationalities issue different poor to rich, om to fair to dark, all across the board. to use insulting language of acism shows us that you don't understand the issue because hat ends up happening, we need to have a conversation. that is magic this this country, we could have a conversation, views, tit for tat and come up with a solution and we don't see that anymore. i think everybody needs to let their guard down and stop using is racial tones here that, how you get to a solution. thank you very much for your service. appreciate it. host: when it comes to the solution, do you see a possible by march?o this the president's deadline for resolving daca? well, i'll go back to what winston churchill said,

to do the right thing when they have exhausted everything else. by a ou back them up backdrop of date, i think the resident did a great thing, giving it back as institutionally, congress needs to take it up. the democrats think it is going to be something they force budget discussion, i'm going to be one of the people that says, let's play this one out. this is a little different scenario, the president in the white house is a little than barack obama and he's not going to hurt the american people or the military. we go through shutdown, make everything essential service and on, as well, s aybe we ought to holdup the congressional pakche paychecks y get something done. is not possible, but would be nice to have that debate. that was part of yesterday, to people putting out their

viewpoints in front of the american people. shouldn't be ashamed of how we set there, ought to be able to interact, debate and have -- where can we go to make something work. host: do you believe the house how er shares your view on daca should play out? guest: i hope so, he made promises, we want to make sure as conference we agree with something. it is not is that associated, it is stand alone, e have that discussion, it merits that, always been that way. we make things too complicated. everything on, that has to go away. we have to have individual about individual issues and that way what we see is actual sausage of legislation being made properly. host: the idea of daca tied to order security, the freedom caucus will stand together with that? basically said this is a core issue of this aspect, it

have conversation piece by itself. and one of the very own raul labrador, immigration attorney, been very forthright, he listens and he understands the issues. there are parts that i would that are not capable of this application. right mple, birth citizenship, senator paul was exactly right, that has not been fixed. only looked from a legal standpoint, what happened when an illegal breaking that law and precedence there? we have to be big enough people have conversations and like one of the previous callers, you calling, i'm entitled to my views, pedro, you and he's ed to yours entitled to his. what made america great, ideas, listened and found common ground. north korea indianapolis, everet, you are on, go

ahead. caller: good morning. give ourall, i want to lord jesus christ all the glory in the world. is the one that is getting ready to come back. land of try is the confusion, congressman, i isagree with the responses you gave that gentleman. the indians are the ones that hould have more rights than anybody. number two, america took the our states they're wanting to build that wall on from mexico. and it is history. caller.anks, guest: that is not true. let's go back. misconceptionsgot like my colleague necessary delegation.al the gadsden purchase was by the spanish ates after the american war. it does not belong to mexico. made all best deal, we of mexico down to central america part of the united that is not that

right. happening, we're a nation now that we can't relive history. history and ok at make differences across the board. and if we want to give back to americans, who were here before the native american? weren't they invaders from other areas in our previous history? from that standpoint, we start try to make life a little bit better and we try to make sure that the rule of applied to everything. you are exactly right, we have a ot of problems in this country and that is because the rule of law doesn't apply to everybody equally. see that with clintons, the dosier, all the way across the we're in an s why uproar. if you don't like the law, go back e law, don't and give people a pass on the problemt is part of the and where we've got off base, make sure we make laws that are clear, that that are are debated in front of the

american people behind closed doors. jean from houston, texas, joining us on this discussion and daca, joined by representative paul gosar of arizona. jean, on the republican line, go on.d, you're guest: good morning. caller: good morning. good ou are making some sense what you are saying and my question was actually for the you, but i know you can answer it for me. going to ask is, i understand dreamers and they're parents, use of their but we're talking some people have been here over 20 years or come they and how haven't even tried to become a citizen? happens here. once you are here, you are not ade to follow our law, so why would you want to be a citizen? like i said, i live in houston -- it is terrible. ou know, there are no jobs and the whole bit, that is another

subject. but my biggest problem was the keeps al, if it continuing the way it is, we have too many american children need those scholarships, children are getting. will s my comment, i listen to your reply. thank you. guest: you are exactly right. i take and victimize millions of people standing in on to do this legally, behalf of 800,000 people. there is a problem here. we victimize ow people. everybody is a victim. hat we have to do is make people solution makers, they are part of the american dream, they they rt of their destiny, are forthright and follow the law. part of our biggest problem is we forgot that the law was what made america great. going back, keep srnlt dredreamers, don't give them everything they want, privilege, should be not expected result and go back

to the group of people sitting there. take decades, hundreds of thousands of go from point a to point b? isn't it right a country has people nty, how many come in? od, a million people, no other country that does what we do, look like we do. we are the melting pot. are from wyoming, used to be labeled the melting pot of the united states because all the nationalities were formed ike a circle, pie chart around principally the mines that were there. so it does work. there's -- every time -- every once in a while you have to things to look at make sure they are applicable, ut we've gotten so far off kilter here, particularly with that rule of law, i can't stress made ugh, the rule of law it will return again, but what we have to do make sure we stop victimizing

people, putting certain people ahead of the class and making doing the right thing on behalf of america. not what we can do for you, but for our country. host: charlie from windsor, democrat's line. good morning, charlie. caller: good morning. ou know, all these people all think this wall is a great thing. most thinking people don't think the time and money. so i have a solution. too, would include you, representative. everybody who thinks the wall is send in a ld all payment every month and pay for this wall and then when mexico you back, you save your receipt and you'll get your money back. host: caller, why do you think the wall is not worth the time money? caller: because if people just wide und, other ports are pen and this mexican immigration is net zero right

now. host: okay. zero, we is not net are seeing a surge again. we saw reduction in numbers of this coming nerl president's term, but now they see a little different application. you come back to arizona and texas and new mexico and alifornia, the number is surging again. so, you know, people that are itizens of this country can expect the same type of enjoy, on that you whether it be in texas, indiana the ntana, those people on border are citizens. they are expecting the same application. deterrent, as i said earlier, can look at a whole different and that means from to ste water plant infrastructure managing water cruz. the lower santa it can be a physical barrier, it eans integrated application of

sovereignty, you are enforcing the law of a country and that the neighboring country, whether canada or whether it be mexico, enforce same application there. and is what neighbors friends do. when you have a neighbor across uphold that fence just like you do. that is the part of the of nations and that is how you get to have a works rative giant that collaborative, mexico, united states or canada, but a physical helps deter ally that host: senator jeff flake plan on retiring, what is likelihood you will run for his seat? it out, haven't ruled but we haven't said much, if anything, either. arizona hat people of need to have a voice that done and we stuff qualify. we are one of the most qualified members of congress in getting and solutions, not

about no, but what it takes to yes. we in arizona have a very interesting dilemma going on. sick senior y senator, i wish him the very better.getting so we'll have to see where the time takes us. what is your determining factor if you win or not? for the hat is best arizona people. arpiro has thrown his hat you the ring, what do think? guest: joe was a great sheriff maricopa county, i don't know how that works at this juncture in his life. know, but that made merica great, was that everybody has opportunity to put their name into a hat, stand up i applaud him for standing up to put his name forward. host: when you say, you don't works, what do you

characterize that as? uest: i don't know how the dynamics work in the state at his age and the aspects he had through with the fight, with the administration prior, he court battles, and then losing his sheriff's race, so i -- you know, everybody is entitled to jump in, we'll see how that shakes out. think 'm sorry, do you support of president trump is help or hindrance for him? support, helps d joe immensely. you have the president, say what president, thehe president made promises and he's checking the list and checking them off nd knocking one by one by one. an earlier comment, trust is a of promises kept. people applaud you and understand where stand when you say something and follow it up. host: representative paul gosar, minutes with him. susan in florida, independent next. yaur guest: morning, susan. caller: yes, about chain

migration. would melania trump and her family be here without chain migration? also, illegals, i hate that word. people aren't illegal. the other thing about immigration, all these coming ts wouldn't be here if american companies them.'t hiring what do you say about that? there is -- it is not just american companies, hire duals will individuals coming across this country illegally. it, don't need my word for go to the local home depot and look for the people looking for given day, how many of s will go out and hire those individuals instead of going to a contractor. before we chastise everybody's backdoor, look in our own backyard. you als, that is a word, came in illegally, you didn't

come in the accepted way, get used to it. unfortunately, you don't like the word, but you know what, word, go back into the process the right way. country, rightgn to uphold that rule of law. e want to be welcoming to people to do it the right way, we have the right to know who is here, why you are here and how that are here. then we should expect those people to be part of the culture fabric of what built this country from all the way across the board. language.he i tell people -- i speak two well.ges, one not i don't speak english so well, i speak it very, very well. to have a common conversation piece to communicate. due diligences, both my grandparents were immigran immigrants to this country and they kissed the ground for what it was. for hat my country can do me, what i can do for my

country. when we get back to that, we nation, thank r you for your phone calls. host: idaho, republican line, in.e jump guest: good morning, steve. caller: good morning, c-span, on journal," good morning, pedro. my question is for mr. paul gosar. what about our northern border? is so porous, how are we going to determine what happens there? secondly, american dreamers, this do they fall within category? guest: what do you mean by dreamers? caller: american dreamers, there re people here who are underpaid, would like a better like to see how things could work for a better don't seem to be getting a chance, there seems to e more emphasis on foreign

dreamers. host: thanks, caller. you for the clarification. two different aspects. canada is us mexico, more restrictive in regard to immigration policies. same e not seen the application from mexico. i've -- when we saw children central america, eysis, there with darrell we saw different application of the mexican government to southern border than to the northern border. we see different application countryos that application. i talked about this earlier when you are a enforce laws of your neighbor. when you it, that is get good results. very gain, i'm pro-rightful entry into this country. dictates based upon the law aspect of the application. you are right. is why you got a president that did tax reform, creates

pportunity, it is not the government that gives you jobs, it presents an opportunity to bring people back, businesses there is increased opportunities to get across there, you are right, ought to looking out for the citizens, world.e host: representative paul gosar. now to the house of representatives. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., january 10, 2018. i hereby appoint the honorable adrian smith to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, paul d. ryan, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 8, 2018, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate. the chair will alternate recognition between the parties. all time shall be equally allocated between the parties and in no event shall debate