can to avoid shutdown, but we democrats believe that if there is one, it will fall on the republicans' backs, plain and simple. why? number one, they are in charge. 78% of the american people believe republicans will be to blame if there is a shutdown. second, who called for the shutdown? not a democrat. president trump has repeatedly said what the country needs is a good shutdown. we hope to avoid it. we will do everything we can to avoid it. we hope we will. but if we don't, it's going to fall on their backs. >> how do you navigate a caucus that has some members -- [indiscernible] a number in our caucus have said they don't like this deal and they believe if we kick the can down the road this time, we will be back where we started from this time, next time. there is very strong support not to go along with their deal. thank you, everybody.

joining us on the phone is lindsay mcpherson, the house leadership reporter. congress has a midnight deadline on friday. two overt a shutdown, they need to come up with some kind of deal. moment.n impasse at the -- it is an impasse at the moment. four-week stopgap with funding for chip and the delay of some help your taxes. the problem in the house republican conference are defense hawks frustrated about on defenset

spending. they are looking at potentially do forfor money -- to money on the offense or defense anomalies. negotiations continue around that. there are no plans to change the bill, but that could change. negotiations are fluid. corks you have a headline in your article that paul ryan is stuck between the freedom caucus and the democrats. corks right. he needs one of their votes to get the cr through. the defense stuff, if it doesn't work out, the freedom caucus has three options beavoid -- one would defending defense at higher levels until the end of the year for nondefense agencies.

plan b is just some defense anomalies, like raising [indiscernible] equipmentmbers and for aircraft and other things that are maintenance that is needed. of $9s in the range million to 12 and one dollars. it is not chump change, but they are talking about adding here. million.lion to $12 it is not chump change, but they are talking about adding here. the chip funding is expected to be a sweetener for the some democrats, but not enough to get the caucus to vote for it. leadership hass, asked members to hold back until they put the votes of for the cr. or has nancy posey told her

caucus to do on this continuing resolution? >> we will find out from nancy pelosi tomorrow when she addresses what she will say on that. what the caucus leaders came out saying today was there is no specific directive to members. the general consensus is opposition to this cr overwhelmingly because it does not address democratic values. there's no opioid funding, no solution for the dreamers, immigration, no disaster funding, the list goes on. they think chip is not far enough. they don't see a path through supporting it. >> i don't know if anybody can answer this. crthere a backup plan if the fails in either chamber? >> in the house, the plan is to

continue the votes on this one throughout the rest of the evening. we will know by tomorrow morning if it can go as planned. they will call a conference meeting of republicans to see what will get them to the votes they need. i don't expect ryan to go to democrats because i don't see democrats yielding to him on this. so they will have to figure it out themselves. >> we appreciate your help. rollcall.com is your website. thanks a lot. >> thanks. ♪ "washington journal," topics that impact

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