false missile alarm and emergency preparedness. then, gallup's jon clifton talks about a global approval survey on u.s. leadership. host: good morning. it's thursday, january 18, 2018. the house is in at 10:00 a.m. today. the senate returns at 11:00 to continue debate on a reauthorization of the foreign intelligence surveillance act, section 702 program. 's ahead of a 12: vote. larger deadline isidnight on friday, that's when funding would run out on the current federal spending plan. if a deal isn't reached before then, the government would shut down. this morning on the "washington journal," we're asking our viewers whether you think congress can and should avoid a

shutdown. give us a call. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. you can also catch up with us on social media. on twitter, it's @cspanwj. on facebook, it's facebook.com/cspan. a very good thursday morning to you. you can start calling in now. the question, again, can congress avoid a shutdown? can they? should they? you can start dialing in now. here's the headline from politico from yesterday evening, republicans lack the votes to prevent a shutdown, but house leaders are confident that they can round up enough support before a vote on thursday. one of the reporters on that story, sarah farris, joins us on the phone 2340uf6. where are we as of this morning? guest: thanks for having me. basically we're not at a doomsday situation. i don't think we should be

drawing out our shutdown plans yet. but house republican leaders do have a pretty tough day ahead of them, and t going to be -- we could pottially he a nail-biter vote when we do see this go up tonight. host: tell us about the bill that's up, another continuing resolution. what's in it, what didn't make it? guest: right, so this is the fourth time that congress has had to resort to a stop-gap bill. this time it does have other items on their to-do list. there's a six-year funding provision for the children's health insurance funding. the children's health insurance program, excuse me. and this is something that's been punted since september 30. it's a pretty big deal that they're finally going to have a long-term funding agreement on this. there's also an agreement to postpone several obamacare taxes that have been unpopular from the start. these were both added by republican leaders as a way to try to get some more votes. they're hoping some democrats who have railed against the cadillac tax, who don't like the medical device tax, they're hoping that they'll get at least a couple house democrats

on the board, which will help make up for some of the defense hawks, fiscal hawks and the house g.o.p. caucus who really are resistant to voting for another c.r. host: what are those folks who are resistant to voting for another c.r. saying to you when you've been button holing them as you were running around the house and senate yesterday? guest: so basically they feel like they have been kind of tricked into supporting another stop gap bill. when we were here in late december, leadership said, look, we need another month, we need more time to buy time for a spending cap deal so that we can write an omnibus. because basically what's happening right now is just giving them a month so they can have time to write the final omnibus. and this has been the argument all along. and now we're in another position where republicans are being asked to just buy some time, swallow another stop gap bill, so that speaker ryan and

leader pelosi and their counterparts in the senate and white house can come to an agreement on spending cap numbers. and again, this is something that they've normally settled in the spring of a fiscal year so. this would have been -- this should have been settled last year, almost a year ago, and it's something that we still don't know how much the government is going to be spending in fiscal year 2018, which started in october. host: what's the timing today? when could this vote be held, and when does it get sent over to the senate? guest: it sounds like it will be this evening at some point. we don't know exactly when. and then it would be sent over to the senate immediately. leader mcconnell has said he will quickly take it up. there's a bit of uncertainty of exactly where this will stand there. minority leader chuck schumer said yesterday that democrats don't like this bill. that's true. there's a lot of things in here that they want to see, not just immigration, a dreamers deal. but they're saying they need to see opioid funding. they need to see veterans' choice funding. they have their own wish list,

not included on this. but at the end of the day, senate democrats are not going to be willing to shut down the government, so i think you're going to see democrats, especially in some of these vulnerable elections this fall, i think you're going see them come on board and just help keep the government open for another month, and then they're going to be lobbying hard for the things that they want before the february 16 date. host: sarah ferris, sounds like another long day for you. we appreciate the time. we'll let you get to it. guest: all right, thanks so much. host: we're asking you this morning, can congress avoid a government shut down? let us know your phones. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. sarah ferris just then was talking about the debate in the senate. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell talking about where that debate on the spending bill stands. here's what he had to say yesterday. >> i'm going to take up what the house sends us. the democrats and the senate

have been very consistent and clamoring for addressing the children's healthcare program. this does it with a six-year reauthorization. they claim they don't to want shut down the government, so it seems to me it would be a rather attractive package. i certainly hope that's the way they look at it. scommoip we'll take you through what other leaders and members said yesterday on the floor of the house and senate. to want hear from you this morning. we'll start on our line for democrats. fred is in cherry hill, new jersey. fred, good morning. caller: good morning. i hope they can avoid a government shutdown. i think it would be a big mistake if democrats force a government shutdown for the sake of the dreamers who, after all, when you look at it in its entirety, they are here illegally. they're here because our laws were broken. and to put their interests above the rights of american

citizens and taxpayers and deny american taxpayers the government services that they've paid for with their taxes, that would just be wrong. i think it's somewhat analogous to the sanctuary city policy, where mayors declare their cities sanctuaries and put the interests of illegals above the safety of american citizens. living where i do, i follow pennsylvan politics pretty carefully. i noticed that in 2016 pat too manyy won re-election to the senate by exploiting the fact that philadelphia is a sanctuary city, and they let a dangerous criminal go because they didn't want to turn him over to ice, and he then committed a heinous crime. so he won re-election. i believe that issue helped trump carry pennsylvania. the idea of putting the

interests of people who cannot vote above the safety and the well-being of people who can vote, i think that's foolish. host: that's from new jersey. marilyn is in los angeles, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: yes, i tell theam the -- even a diamond bracelet, cartier jewels that -- that 00,000 contributes to the money. host: all right, let's go to mifpblgte ashburn, virginia, independent. go ahead. caller: no, it's -- i don't care how many times you tell

folks that. the democrats did not shut the government down because they don't have the house, the senate, or the executive office. those republicans will shut the government down. democrats do not have the votes . and another thing about, those people who called from around the country not listening to them, living in trailer parks, wherever they live, always talking about shutting the government down. what about your welfare check? what about the military? what about your social security checks? you always want to shut the government down saying we don't need government until you need the government. it just blows me away the ignorance of most of these people that sit around and listen to c-span. host: arthur, texas, independent. arthur? can congress avoid a government shutdown? caller: i think it's not worth shutting down the government for someone who arrived here

illegally. hello? host: go ahead, arthur. why do you think that? caller: you're illegal. the law has been -- theeder f government has been this way for the longest. you bend it to fit these people? host: the immigration debate certainly hanging over this spending debate as well. a story on that front, in the front pages of several national newspapers today. the headline from the "new york times," trump was not fully john kelly 016, says. president trump's chief of staff privately told a group of democratic lawmakers yesterday that mr. trump had not been fully informed when promising voters a wall along the mexican border last year and said that he had persuaded the president it was not necessary. he also expressed optimism that a bipartisan immigration deal could eventually be reached.

host: mohr reporting on that from the jump page of the story in the "new york times," asking for a quote from the white house on those words that were reportedly used by john kelly in that meeting with democrats. mark short, the white house director of legislative affairs, denied the democrats' characterization of mr. kelly's comments about the president's familiarity with immigration issues, telling cnn in an interview, "i don't remember, i don't recall general kelly saying the president was uninformed." host: today, tweets from the president just this morning, less than -- about a half-hour

ago. president trump tweeting out first that the wall is the wall. it has never changed orie involved from the first day i conceived of t. parts will be of necessity, see-through, and it was never intended to be built in areas where there's natural protection such as mountains, wastelands, or tough rivers or water. the president continuing, the walk will be paid for directly or indirectly through longer term reimbursements by mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion trade surplus with the united states, the $20 billion wall is peanuts compared to what mexico makes from the u.s. nafta is a bad joke. those are the two tweets from the president out this morning. we'll continue to monitor his twitter page to see what else he might be saying this morning. but we want to hear what you're saying this morning. can congress avoid a government shutdown? andrew, west point, mississippi, line for it's, go ahead. -- line for independents, go ahd. andrew, you with us? ller: yeah, i'm from

mississippi. i don't think we should shut it down. but the republic, they control everything up there. everything go wrong, they put it on the democrats. it's the republic. i don't know what donald trump can put in that water, in the kool-aid, but everything donald trump want, they give it to him. everything in that white house need to get out because they compulsive liar. thank you. host: herbert, georgia, line for democrats, go ahead. caller: good morning, john. i've been watching c-span the last 18 years. my tv is always on c-span at 7:00. before i got retired, and after i'm retired. host: thanks for doing it. caller: john, you know what? i wish they'd bring up statistics first when you start asking these questions on c-span. who would hurt, what nationality would be hurt behind the government shutdown? because a lot of those

republicans, they don't understand. i hear them talk about the older immigration and hispanic people and all this, but they bought the statistics out that white americans get more government assistance than blacks and hispanics put 41ers%. from 61% to if you bring the statistics up, this government shutdown would hurt mostly white americans. so now these republicans, they did this in 2013 when they shut the government down with obama. guess what happened. they turned back because obama wouldn't allow the tax breaks for the rich. as soon as he said he was going to put the tax breaks in for the rich, the republicans lift up the thing. you know what, john? we need to stop all this argument and all this myth they be sitting up there, especially republicans, instead of blaming, oh, hispanics get free stuff and daca people get free stuff. it's a lie. you understand me? bring the statistics up, please.

host: all right, got your point. doris in michigan, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. yeah, you know, democrats cannot shut down the government. it's just -- it gets on my last nerve to hear lies just spewed like that. i mean, all i've heard is lies, lies, lies. republicans control the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch, which is the supreme court. democrats have no power. they can do absolutely nothing. in the house, they can pass anything thewant. they don't need a single decratic voted. and all these people calling talk about the laws of the land. when the constitution was written, the law did not apply to african-americans. they still pretty much don't apply to us. so when you talk about the laws

of the land, you maybe need to look at what's happening in the country and what's been happening for the last 300 years. thank you. host: that's doris in michigan. if this bill does pass the house today, this continuing resolution, it would then go to the senate, and republicans would need at least some democratic votes to move it through the senate process. and again, it's a tight timeline tomorrow at midnight would be when the government would shut down if a deal isn't reached. we showed you mitch mcconnell earlier talking about the potential for a shutdown and this deal that's moving through. here's senate minority leader chuck schumer yesterday. >> we just had a caucus. we don't know what the house, whether the house will send us this bill. but the revulsion toward that bill was broad and strong. number two, we democrats believe that we want to do everything we can to avoid a shutdown, but we democrats believe if there is one, it will fall on the republicans' backs, plain and simple.

why? number one, they're in charge. 78% of the american people believe the republicans will be blame if the's a shutdown. second, who called for the shutdown? not a democrat. but donald trump has repeatedly said on tape over and over again what the country needs is a good shutdown. we hope to avoid it. we're going to do everything we can to avoid it. we hope we will. but if we don't, it's going to fall on their backs. >> how do you navigate a caucus that has some republicans who are saying got to vote to keep the government open no matter what, and some members are saying this is the moment? >> the overwhelming number in our caucus said they don't like this deal, and if we kick the can down the road this time, we'll be back where we started from next time so. there's very, very strong support not to go along with their deal. host: we want to hear your thoughts this morning on the potential for a government shutdown. this deal that's moving through

the house today and could make it to the senate later this evening. we also want to hear your thoughts on social media. eric writes in this morning, i sure hope the democrats stick to their guns on this one. daca or shutdown, no compromise is what eric says. democrats care more about illegals than citizens is all we need to know. trump cannot cave to democrats. military spending or daca, which do you choose? christine says, can they, yes. will they, not looking good. posturing over daca will cost a fortune. the really stupid part is that passing daca will not cost any money. employed tax paying people would remain just that. and one more this morning, trump and his cabinet are placating a minority in the house, the freedom caucus, tea party terrorists are holding us hostage. want to hear your thoughts. join in the conversation, @cspanwj on twitter. or give us a call, like rodney

from indiana, republican. rodney, go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. it's good to be able to get on and here say what i think about some of this stuff that's going on. for one, president trump is a builder. that's what he made his life, made things on, building. and for people out there to think that he doesn't know where and when he can build a wall amazes me. they're trying to make him out to -- make people think that he doesn't know that you can't build a wall where it's not feasible to build a wall. and secondly, to the lady out there that was saying that this constitution wasn't written for the blacks is wrong. america belongs to all of us, black, red, white, whatever color we are. through one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

now, with that said, they need to get on the trump boat and start making some right decisions and right thoughts and get their head out of the sand. that's all i got to say about it. host: maryland, independent, go ahead. caller: yeah, hi. i wanted to just say that if i hear one more elected person, these democrats say these people are here through no fault of their own, i think i'm going to pike. because once these folks turned 18, they had a legal responsibility to get themselves right with the law. they should have gone back to their country, gotten themselves legal. the pact that they are still here means they want to remain in this country as i will legal and break our laws. and daca, by the way, stands for deliberate amnesty for criminals and aliens. and that's what they are.

and if these stupid democrats shut this government down so that they can protect illegal aliens who like to think that they're victims over american citizens, then look out in november, because i don't think -- they're not going to win seats, they're going lose seats. and these rhinos better look up, too. this stupid lindsey graham, i don't know who he's talking to when he says the majority of americans want this, the majority of americans do not want this. we support the president in ending the sanctuary city and ending chain migration. these people do nothing for our country except continue to be a burden on the taxpayer. and it's time that we gave them a one-way ticket back. that's the only thing i'm interested in with daca, getting them the heck out of the country. host: before you go, can i ask? why are you an independent? what makes you independent? caller: because i -- i used to be a democrat, and now i'm an american. and then i tried the republican, and they're just as

dumb as the democrats. so i become an independent because i can't stand either party. i'm interested in the american citizen, the taxpayers, the veterans. i am not interested in illegal aliens. and i want to know when we're going to end birthright citizenship. if the president wants to build a wall and not spend any money, he just ends birthright citizenship. i hear no one talking about the jail time, the deportation of the parents. nd these daca people are not all valedictorian. near maryland, there's a lot of criminals. these poor kids have to go to school with these criminals that go home to these families that are just a dole on the taxpayer. if you could think about all of the money they have cost us just to incarcerate, educate, and medicate these people, it cost of 1/100th of the a wall.

host: all right, mayor a in south carolina, line for republicans. mary, go ahead. caller: i believe in the lady from maryland. i really do. we have spent way, way too much money on people that don't belong here. i'm not talking about the daca kids. because in my heart, i've got grand kids these people's ages, and i can't see them being raised in this country and then sent to another country and say this is your home, this is where you have to go. ok, i just can't. but the democrats, they can shut down this government because in the senate, the republicans just got to have 60 votes toass anhing and i'm sure we're not going to get any democratic votes. and i think it's possible if mitch mcconnell would change the rules, not the constitution, but the rules to where you have to have 60 votes to pass anything, you can go ahead and pass a spending bill, our military needs to be funded. we're in perilous times.

and our ships aren't in shape. our airplanes aren't in shape. the marines from buford down there, parris island, had to go to this ship up there in mount pleasant to get a part off of a plane to make another plane flyable. that's ridiculous. for the greatest country in the world. and i just want -- and i'll tell you one thing else. i agree with the lady. she called my senator, lindsey graham, stupid. he is stupid. i don't want this. i'm going to tell you why. i'll never vote for him again. ok? i have voted for him every time because i think, well, he's a military man, he's going to do something for the military. but i see he wants those illegal aliens in here and amnesty for them, and it will never happen again. and he's probably one of the people that's going to vote against this bill, who knows. host: mary in south carolina. here is white house press

secretary sara sanders talking about the potential of shutdown. >> the president certainly doesn't want a shutdown, and if one happens, i think you only have one place to look, and that's to the democrats. they are holding our military and our national security hostage by trying to push through other policies that have nothing to do with the budget. we would like to get a budget deal done, a two-year budget deal, a clean budget deal, and then focus on negotiations following that, that deal with finding a permanent solution to daca and responsible immigration reform. host: we'll see what the president has to say today as he's out around the country. he'll be in pennsylvania today promoting his new tax cut law outside of pittsburgh, headed to western pennsylvania. mr. trump will visit the equipment factory near pittsburgh, which the white house said has enjoyed its best year ever in 2017 and is

counting on writeoffs in the new tax cut package to increase their investment in equipment by 50% this year. this story from "the washington times." local g.o.p. officials say another reason that president trump is visiting it is to boost the g.o.p.'s candidate in the special election for a district that stretches from the suburbs south of pittsburgh to the state's border with west virginia. he's running against democrat conor lamb. labor unions are pushing him as a chance to send a message to president trump. that story is in the "washington times." and speaking of pittsburgh, an editorial from monday in the "pittsburgh post-gazette," gaining a lot of attention this week. this story from the pittsburgh city paper yesterday talking about the pittsburgh foundations and journalists who are calling out the post gazette for that editorial defending the president's remarks about s-hole countries.

yesterday, the story notes, on a day named for civil rights leader martin luther king jr., the "pittsburgh post-gazette" published an he will early to claiming that calling someone a racist is the new mccarthyism. they quote that editorial from the "post gazette", if the president used the word hell hole instead, would that have been race snist if he used the words fail safe, would that have been race snist there are nations that are hell holes in this world, and there are failed states, the editorial says --

host: in the from the "pittsburgh post-gazette" on monday. back to your calls to this question of whether congress can avoid a government shutdown. robert in waldorf, maryland, line for independents. robert, go ahead. caller: if the democrats would like shut the government down over funding for illegal immigrants, then let them do so. and we have people and homeless people, veterans, homeless

sitting on the side of the street behind you. we have homeless shelters from one end of this country to the other. we have people living in their cars. we should take that funds, all those funds that they want to use for the illegal who is don't belong here in the first place, why can't we use those funds to take care of our own people? there's people all over this place who are homeless without jobs, but the democrats are more interested in foreigners. if they want to have an interest in promoting foreigners over the american citizens, then let's let them do that. but one thing we need to make out, and homely all your listeners will understand, today there's been 11-count indictment in the uranium one deal, and no one in the media has said a word about that. the dishonest media, hillary clinton's uranium one deal, we now have a grand jury has been seated, and there's been an 11-count indictment put out on a gentleman from maryland. people should look into that. there's your collusion.

host: san jose, california, line for democrats, go ahead. caller: yeah, i'm really sick and tired of the democrats. they have made california a sanctuary state. i'm born and raised here. i voted for pelosi and feinstein. they need to get off their butts and do their job. you know, not let this government shut down. yeah, and as far as daca goes, illegal immigrants, i just come to california, we'll make you democrats, we'll pay your way. host: for that language. jamie is in severn, maryland, jamie, go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. i just wanted to say that we have -- it seems le everybody now is just shallowinded to think that nobody just is connecting the dots on anything. as far as the editorial that you read a meant ago on the

president saying s-hole countries, why is it that we don't understand america and the western world has created a lot of those s-hole countries? you know, those places were one time, you know, where kings and queens lived in, and, you know, they had great trusts. and we gathered things, and nobody -- they're not crying about it. but, you know, it's like you take everything, you take all the treasures, and then you turn around and talk about them, you know? as far as the republican party goes, both parties are guilty of a lot of things. but as far as the republican party goes, that's what they do. they pull tricks. you know, it's just like, meanwhile, while they talk about they're against abortion and everything, but then they turn around, and they're not for the assistance of a woman that chooses to have a baby, but really has a hard time supporting it. just like now they're talking about the democrats want to take away from, you know, the people that we could see here,

the homeless veterans and all of that kind of stuff. but then they turn around and tell those folks to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. and it's just like these are the games that they play. you know, they're tricksters. and anybody that can't see that and doesn't want to connect the dots, you know, i just think that they choose to be foolish. as far as the illegal immigration, yes, we are a nation of laws and our borders do have to be protected and respected. and at the same time, though, why is it that we act as if, you know, the mexicans and whatnot, we act as if this was not their land at one point. you know, this was their land. they are the native americans. we forced them over there. and that whole thing. and then, you know, but i'm just saying that we have to take history into perspective as well. host: bob in tyler, texas, line for independents. bob, go ahead. caller: good morning, john. i'd like to vote for your 9:20

caller from maryland, a democrat, and she understands the rule of law. congress, both rhinos and democrats, are playing by broken set of rules. if they were not violating their oaths of office, would we return to this chaotic budget situation seems like every year. i just don't think we'd be here if we were following the constitution. it's time to obey the ninth and 10th amendments and learn the restrictions imposed by our founders and the states that wrote , e constitution, so that they know the limits of the fed. we wouldn't have this if we were following the constitution. thank you. host: on twitter, michael writes in, republicans won the election and control everything if they can't keep the government running, they're worthless. steve says, anything that is coming out of the house on a party line vote will not get through the senate.

this must be bipartisan. more of your phone calls in just a second, but one of our callers just now was bringing up the term fake news yesterday. the president releasing his 2017 fake news awards. it was released via the republican, the republican national committee website gop.com, the highly anticipated 2017 fake news awards, the president listing 2017 awards to various organizations, writing in that release on gop.com, 2017 was the year of unfair news coverage and even downright fake news. studies have shown that over 890% of the media's coverage of -- 90% of the media's coverage is negative, and list the winners of the 2017 fake news awards. their wrapup of those awards, the "new york times" noting the winners were cnn mentioned four times, "new york times" with two mentions, abc, "washington post", and "newsweek" with one

ntion apiece. the president with the subsequent tweet after releasing those awards, and his first tweet actually taking down the gop.com website because of how much traffic it received. the president saying on his twitter page after that tweet, despite some very corrupt and dishonest media coverage, there are many great reporters i respect and lots of good news for the american people to be proud of. yesterday on the senate floor in anticipation of the president's release of the fake news awards, outgoing arizona senator jeff flake criticized the president's treatment of the press. here's what he had to say. senator flake: mr. president, so powerful is the presidency that the damage done by the sustained attack on the truth will not be confined to this president's time in office. re in america, we do not pay

to the powerful. in fact, we question the powerful most ardently. to do so is our birthright and a requirement of our citizenship. and so, we know well that no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality. no politician will ever get us or tell us what the truth is and what it is not. and anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the press for his own purposes should be made to realize his mistake and to be held to account. that is our job here. that is just as madison, hamilton and jay would have it. of course, the major difference between politicians and the free press is that the free press usually corrects itself when it's made a mistake. politicians don't. no long kerr we compound attacks, the attacks on truth with our silent acquiescence. no longer can we turn a blind eye or a deaf ear to those

assaults on our institutions. and mr. president, an american president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame, is charting a very dangerous path. host: if up to the watch jeff flake's entire speech yesterday, you can, of course, go back and see it at c-span.org. it's just after 7:30 on the east coast. until 8:00 this morning, we're talking about the government shut down. we're actually going to talk about it today, seeing as how that deadline is fast approaching. it would be midnight tomorrow night that a government shutdown would kick in if congress can't come up with a spending deal before then. right now, republicans working on movina four-week continuing resolution through the house, and then eventually the senate. we'll see what happens today. in the meantime, we're asking you, can and should congress avoid a government shutdown?

clare sense in maryland, line for republicans. clarence, go ahead. caller: hey, how you doing? i guess i'm one of those rhino republicans that they talk about, because i don't believe in all this angry speech when it comes to other people. i also believe more of a conservative approach than the extremism that's going on today. they use the military when it's convenient, a shutdown deal. they pay lip service to the military saying we thank you for your service, yet at the same time, when they come home with mental illnesses and poor, broke, what have you, you don't see anyone advocating for them or for their benefits. but now when it comes to a partisan issue or something extreme, tonight say, oh, it's either them or the military. it's very convenient. now, the folks in daca, we're talking about law-abiding people who have jobs. i saw on tv yesterday one of the people who might be moved out because of daca, the police officer. now, this is the criminals

about this woman spoke. is this a person that is not a contributor to this country? of course not. these people were brought here when they were children and have made productive lives out of themselves. they should get a chance to stay. they shod get a path to citizenship. you don't just kick them out, where they're going to speaking english the same way we do in another country and think they're going home. that doesn't make any sense. i'm really very angry, and i don't understand how you can say, ok, we're an american, bring me your poor, your tired, your hungry, and yet at the same time kick these folks out. it doesn't make sense. your ancestors came here under those same guidelines, but yet you want to close the door and say these folks can't stay. to me, that is more american than nills. also what's american is anybody that don't think like you is not american. ok, i'm a rhino, i guess. but i am not an american. even though i'm ex-military. i'm still not an american to

these folks because their angry speech is so far right that they want to say if you're not like me, then you're not an american. none of that makes any sense. host: randy, michigan, line for democrats. randy, go ahead. caller: good morning, john. i'd like to start by thanking you and the 284 other men and women that help bring thus great program. you're doing a wonderful service for the nation. host: appreciate that, randy. caller: this is a case, john, that i think -- well, let me tell you this. if you called me and asked me should the daca kids be kicked out, i will tell you no. so there's, you know, the poll or whenever, i would be in favor of the 80%. am i in favor of shutting down the government for the daca kids? absolutely not. they're not voters. we'll take care of them. somewhere along the line. there's other things you can stand on the ground and justify

on this wall or not voting for the budget that's coming. but to do it over daca, -- host: what are some things that would justify shutting the government down, randy? what are those things you would stand on? caller: the chip program would be one. i would definitely have to have to, the chip program. agree with donald trump on some of this immigration policy. i want more infrastructure spending. you want to spend more on the military, i want dollar for dollar on the rest of the people of this country. because there's a lot more of us than just the military ones i spend my money on. there's other things that i want that can improve. there's roads, bridges. there's healthcare. you know, you want a big military, what, to guide a bunch of sick people? there's a whole lot of other stuff that justifies the budget. that's where i'm coming from. i think that's a coastal thing.

that's the problem with the leadership i have and the democratic party right now. they're on the coast. i understand on the coast that's a big issue. host: who would you like see lead the democratic party, randy? caller: i don't know -- i want somebody that's at least -- you can live on the coast, but come and visit in the middle of the country once in a while. you know, because you got to see what it's like. i don't want to put my kids down anymore. my whole time in the u.a.w. i fought putting everybody up, and i didn't agree with nafta because i said nafta was nothing more than to bring our wages down, wasn't going to help me any, and i don't have the college education. i still know somebody making 50 cents an hour doesn't help anybody. you can't buy nothing. you know, my kids have taken enough of a beating. you look at michigan. we don't have the little plants out in the middle of nowhere anymore. that assembly plant that i st, that one plant created

$19,000 jobs outside of the plant so. that's the kind -- you know, that's the hurt. thank you, john, now i'm just gabbing, but i appreciate the time. goodbye. host: thanks for the call, randy. o,in is in marion,hie for republicans. rich, go ahead. caller:eah, interesting comments. it seems like we're coming up to the super bowl, and the real super bowl coming up is the super bowl of countries. and there's some people that it seems we start getting moving, they figure out a way to drill a hole in the ship, and they're going shoot the person. the other country, china and russia, aren't having the same problem. and we're going to get dropped behind. we may not be able to catch up, just like some nfl teams can't catch back up once you fall behind, and we can't afford this halfing between when someone is getting the country going the right way and all

they're thinking is how can i screw it up, how can i screw it up. we can't afford it anymore, if not survive it. i'll hang up and listen to your answer. host: a few programming notes for our viewers today as we continue having this discussion. yesterday we talked about the criminal charges against officers in the navy who were involved in those deadly collisions last year. it's a topic that's likely to come up today when navy secretary richard spencer and chief of naval operations admiral john richardson testifies before the house armed services committee on navy readiness. live coverage begins at 3:30 p.m. eastern on c-span3. also today, members of the house rules committee will hear from experts at the state and federal levels who will share their opinions on earmark reform. you can watch the second part of this two-day hearing at 10:30 eastern on c-span3.

you can also watch it at c-span.org and listen to it on the c-span radio app. and one more for you, tomorrow is the anniversary of the u.s. supreme court decision legalizing abortion in roe v. wade, also the 45th annual march for life. live coverage starts at noon on c-span2. you can also watch it on c-span.org and, of course, through the c-span radio app. plenty to watch and listen to over the next 48 hours here on c-span. we're glad you're with us this morning, as we're asking this question -- can congress avoid a government shutdown tomorrow at midnight? jim's been waiting in missouri, line for democrats. jim, go ahead. caller: howdy. mitch mcconnell yesterday was talking about the problems dealing with the president, his lack of a clear agenda. he said bring me a bipartisan bill, i'll pass it.

apparently that's not the case anymore. in my opinion, mcconnell and the house should pass their bipartisan bill and let the president veto it, and then override the veto in a bipartisan way. to me, that would fix it and show mr. trump that he is -- host: jim, to be clear, you're talking about the immigration debate as opposed to specifically a spending bill to keep the government open tomorrow, right? caller: well, it seems that aca is the sticking point. and i said they had a bipartisan bill, which trump rejected. host: and jim, talk about this issue in missouri and the issue of dreamers and daca in missouri. do you know any in missouri?

caller: the area i live in is about 95% white. the only mexicans you see working are in restaurants. it is not a problem. the daca kids, looked like it was not a perfect solution, what obama did, but it was sustainable until trump decided that, well, we're just going to toss that out, and just mess everything up. i don't see why trump couldn't reverse his reversal of obama and just go back to the way it was until they can sit down and figure things out. host: you started your comments by talking about mitch mcconnell's comments yesterday on immigration. we'll show those to our viewers. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports. and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we figure out what

he is for, then i would be convinced that we are not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor, but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law, and therefore, solve the problem. noip today's "washington post" column by christopher, editor and publisher of the website american greatness, the headline on that op-ed, don't betray your base, president. he writes that president trump faces a defining moment as he considers what to do about the daca mess and the wall along the southern border that was a central promise of his campaign. will he make good on his repeated vows to establish a pro-citizen, pro worker immigration policy, including a wall, or will he accept the same old amnesty now, enforcement later bargain that has been on the table for years? trump supporters like me are understandably nervous, he writes, if you want to read his column, today's "washington post." david, independent, georgia.

go ahead. caller: thank you, john. thank you for "washington journal" and c-span. i notice y'all are not on mr. trump's list. about the daca -- actually, the question is, can the government avoid a shutdown? you know, even if it shuts down, vital services are going to continue. those that get furloughs are going to come back and get all their money back. so it's not really a government shutdown. however, it's a very easy fix. democrats five years ago were pushing for 700-mile wall. and now they've all the sudden reversed just because trump has his name on it. t's a really easy fix. you end chain migration, end the lottery, and president trump said he wants a way for these daca recipients to stay in the country. know a child that's the same age as my daughter. she's grown now.

and very pleasant person, although i couldn't get to know her parents very much because they were kind of in secret. i mean,hat se would you do? have these daca, dreamer children turn their parents in? that might be something. i mean, they are breaking the law whether you consider the children as breaking the law or not. but it's a really easy fix. democrats are not -- and they're going to go down for this. host: david, the right deal for you is something you'd accept, ending chain my fration, ending the lottery, funding for the wall, in exchange for a path to citizenship for the dreamers? caller: just the dreamers, without any other ties to it. see, that is what i would shut the government down before when obama did this dreamers act. all the other stuff came with it, chain migration and the lottery. it's crazy. no other country has a lottery where other countries are able to send their worst people

here. it's crazy. host: elaine is in washington, line for republicans. elaine, go ahead. caller: hi. i don't think that the government should be shut down because of daca, and this is my reason why. first of all, 1.9 million children were involved in the daca program. and there was a caveat. they had to have some educational requirements. when they found out that 400,000 of them didn't finish high school, they said, well, gee, we'll get rid of the educational requirement. then, according -- this is today -- cording to the american immigration site and immigration center, two sites on the internet, 46% cannot speak english to this day, not one word. and for the 44% speak it somewhat. and only 25,000 have actually

graduated from college or high school. that's ridiculous, out of 1.9 million. and why are we taking away from our citizens to support people who have notice interest in becoming americans? host: david is in texas, line for democrats. david, go ahead. caller: yeah, how you doing today? host: doing well. caller: can anybody out there draw me a picture of an american citizen? i can draw you a picture of people from other countries, but what do american citizens look like? and for daca, hey, what they are worried about is that browning of america is happening. it's going to happen regardless. so all these people out there that's over 70 years old, that grew up in jim crow, you cannot stop it. it's going to happen. so you might as well get used to it. you know, people is mixing. people is being integration

marriage. so somebody out there please draw me a picture of an american citizen. host: few minutes left in this segment of the "washington journal." saturday's program will focus entirely on the one-year anniversary of president trump taking office. several papers already honing in on that one-year anniversary, including the opinion page of the "new york times." instead of a lead editorial today, they have space for trump voters one year in, the editorial board writing that in the spirit of open debate and in the hopes of helping readers who agree with us, readers who agree with us better understand the views of those who don't, we wanted to let mr. trump's supporters make their best case for him in the first year of his presidency. tomorrow we'll present some letters from readers who voted for mr. trump, but are now difficult illusioned and those reacting to today's letters about our decision to provide space for trump voters.

one of those letters to the editor is from alexander gold steen from brooklyn. his letter notes that before i respond tyour question, have a question of my own. did you run similar surveys for obama voters, or for that matter, for eisenhower voters? trump voters are not circus freaks to be displayed or singled out. the very fact that we have a tax cut, a roaring economy and stock market, a magnificent new supreme court justice, and a wonderful attorney general with not only a moral compass but also a determination to actually enforce the laws of the land gives me great hope for this country's future. i think president trump is doing just fine, particularly when one considers the sustained assault of the media, hollywood talk shows, and i dare say, the paper of record, which has abandoned all pretense of objectivity to join, if not lead, the resistance. that's just one of the several letters to the editor featured today in the space that usually reserved for the lead editorial from the "new york times."

jean is in yorktown, virginia, independent. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. irst and foremost, i am so frustrated with hearing talk about each other. we say we're americans, but we say the democrats, the republicans. i don't like them. we are americans first. let's please have respect for each other. second, there should not be a shutdown because of daca. there are other pressing issues of the united states that the president 45, i'm going call him president, 45 is holding the wall hostage or holding our budget hostage for the wall. he said that mexico was going to pay for it. well, let mexico pay for it. i want to see him do that. we also have to look at the fact that there are other ways that individuals are coming into the united states other

than the wall. what is spending all that money going to do to contradict or to defend the other means that individuals are coming to the u.s. illegally? then there's another point i'd like to make. those pregnant chinese women that continue to come into the u.s. to give birth to their kids, of course the kids become legitimate. once those kids become of age, we need to look far down the road, ok, and address anchor babies, and then my last point is, a lot of these issues we can't continue to totally put on 45. our state and local representatives, particularly our congress women and men, we need to address these iss anthey're doing a great job, much better than what they've done in the past host: we'll have two members of congress coming on this program later this morning, but time for just a couple more calls on

this topic. cameron in missouri, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: yes, i just want to say that we can avoid a government shutdown. however, i don't think that it would be possible for us to avoid that shutdown for the simple fact that our country is in peril. we are facing war with multiple nations because of the ideas that trump has come up with. all of the things he's cut, all of the things that he wants to get rid of, it's all dictatorship is what it's trning out to be. -- is what it's turning out to be. and he is trying to take over the country to the fullest of his advantage, and he's willing to do anything possible in his power to get to that goal. and it's not good. and we need to take note and

realize that what's happening in our country is going to be something that will be remembered in history for years to come because of what trump has done to this country. host: troy,ciati, ohio, line for independents. gohead. go ahead. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: i think it's time. i just think it's a whole mess. thank god for c-span. but the republicans really, looks like they're going to do it. they're going to blow this -- all the power, and now they're going to lose it. it's amazing. host: alvin, houston, texas, line for democrats. o ahead. we lost alvin. but alvin would have been our last caller in this segment of

the "washington journal." as we said, two members of congress, though, joining us later this morning. up next, we'll be joined by representative mike kelly of pennsylvania, a member of the ways and means committee. he'll, of course, be here to talk about the shutdown. and later, we'll talk to representative bonnie watson coleman, who serves on the house homeland security committee for a discussion on whether the u.s. is adequately prepared for an emergency. one more headline to show you before we go, though. this from "the washington times" this morning. saluting a patriot, focusing on the ceremony yesterday in the united states capitol for former senate ma jord leader bob dole honored with the congressional gold medal. mr. dole, 94, accepted congress' highest civilian honor, the congressional gold medal for his world war ii service and his decades of work in the house and senate. if you missed any of that ceremony, you can watch it in its entirety at c-span.org. but here's a little bit from senator schumer at that ceremony yesterday honoring

former senator dole. >> of course, to recognize senator bob dole, a son of the heartland, born to an era of depression and war. who unblinkingly answered his call to arms, bravely fought in the second world war, and at the age of 21 sustained grave injuries for which he bronze hearts and the purple star. upon working home, he did not pass the mental of service, but continue to carry the torch in a different way, elected by the people of kansas to serve them in congress for more than 35 years. what an astounding record of service. i never had the pleasure of serving in the senate with senator dole, buhis

putation, achiements, and most of all, hi character, preceded him. i knew of his steadfast advocacy for veterans and for americans with disabilities -- something we greatly admire. i heard about his ability to work across the aisle, to build coalitions, the trust you could place in his word, and the respect he would show a political opponent, even as he fought them. and though i have never served with him in the senate, i am, unfortunately familiar with his trademark wit. senator dole is responsible for a certain quotation that hounded me for many years. apparently the most dangerous place in washington is between chuck schumer and a camera. [laughter] [applause]

senator schumer: perhaps a grain of truth. now, for the benefit of posterity, that observation has philmade before about gramm, and your homeboy arlen specter, but for some reason when senator dole uttered those famous words by yours truly, it stuck. senator donnelly, i bear you know ill will. after all, you are the one that brought c-span2 the senate. -- c-span to the senate. i never would have found as many tv cameras without you. [laughter] commerce and mike kelly is a republican. it is crunch time for federal funding. would you support another continuing resolution to keep the government opens? guest: for what we are right now, absolutely. i do not want to see what

happens if we don't do the funding. i do not want our military to go without their pay. i don't want people who receive government benefits to go without receiving them. is what we cany do today is what we can do today, and that is keep the government open and i have every confidence we are going to do that. host: what can house leadership do? can they do that on republican votes? guest: i think we can. it is important the country understands when you are in the majority you have the opportunity to do so -- the ability to govern. minorities do not have to worry about their job to stop things. our job is to go forward. i think with what my republican colleagues, especially what t leader and the width has done, they have talked about the important programs that have to be funded and kept open. i do not see it approaching a point where you become so critical that we say we cannot vote for it. host: should the children's health insurance program and

therefore the character provisions be part of the -- and thell debate affordable care act provisions be part of the spending bill debate? guest: they are always part of the spending bill debate. when it comes to some of the revenue drivers we have and how we pay for everything with taxpayer funded dollars we have a good grip on it. host: what changes four weeks from now? we again face the deadline, but we have the time in between to get into the depth of the issues that some people just cannot quite get there. let's get together, get by that. we have a president in the white house that has worked well with bringing both sides in, sitting down, talking with them, having earnest conversations, and not only our leadership, but the president's leadership will help us get there. people cannot get there

in four, would you support a fifth continuing resolution in february? again i am tired of this politically. people's lives are affected. i was elected to represent 705,687 people in pennsylvania third congressional district. i'm not here to represent me and just republicans. i'm here to represent all those people. we do things in their best interest. you do the right thing for the right reason, good things happen. i think the american people now -- they are gaining again the faith and trust that this model that we work under -- the magnificent model, the best in the world, can actually fondle unless -- function unless we politicize everything. when you get to that point, you say are you really working for all the people or are you working for yourself? just to position yourself someplace -- it is like you are

far left or far right -- i think this is a center-right country. what americans expect more than anything else is get something done, keep it open, continue the dialogue, and keep moving. host: what is the path forward for the immigration debate? guest: immigration debate has been going on for some time. i thought when i heard the president say, especially when it comes to deferred action on childhood arrivals -- i don't understand why. we could have solved this in the early terms of president obama when they had overwhelming majorities. we're talking about democrats now. if they really wanted to do immigration reform, if they really wanted to make sure they could take care of these issues that they bring up now, why did you do it then? -- why didn't you do it then? why did you push it off? why didn't you go the right way when you thought it was the right way? now it has become an issue. it done.d have got

they got the affordable care act done without republican vote. if they wanted to fix immigration their way, they could have done it their way. now we reach a deadline. we all have hearts. we want to do the best thing for all these people, but we are a nation of law. an executive order is wanting. congressional action is another. we have a president that says no runs -- know where the executive office goes around the legislative body and i will do it my own way and you worry about it down the road. this president is saying get it done. i will give you to -- till march. we have a lot of people working immigration right now -- really good, solid people, acting in the best interests of the american people. sure, do i have a heart for all these folks? s, do,ut i'm a greater concern for the safety and security of the american people. host: is there a difference between a path to citizenship and amnesty? guest: you know what -- that is a good question.

a path to citizenship is one that i think is very difficult right now. i have a lot of that have come to this country, have gone through the process of the tell me it is a lengthy and expensive process. we want to make sure, today, with the technology that we have, we are able to do a vetting process. we need to find a way to supply the immigration process, bring people in, especially people coming here to build america. that is fine. my ancestors came here from ireland to have a better life for their kids, but they put is updated and helped build this country. journey -- germany, all over the world, england, africa for a better life. those of us that have inherited this -- others that have died to make sure they have an opportunity -- we have an obligation to get that done and irresponsibility. there is a way to get there and it is by using open minds, not political rhetoric. i am tired of people making a

political issue of everything in order to divide us and -- rather than unite us. mike kelly is a republican from pennsylvania. we will be taking your questions. mary is up firsfor you this morning. sorry. charles is a first in cincinnati, ohio. independent. caller: mike, you sound really good. maybe we can follow you and get some stuff done. nothing is getting done right now. is there any possibility you could outline with some democrats and get this going that way? charles, i had a little trouble hearing you, but you said is there a possibility good democrats on board? host: can you align with democrats? guest: when you are in the majority, your responsibility is to lead.

when you and the minority, you have to work with the majority to get what you want. not government that is minority driven, it is majority driven, and driven by both parties. i would say if i was in the minority and i had an issue i wanted to push forward i would want to work with the majority to win them over. i think the job, especially if you are in the minority, is to do a great job presenting what it is you feel is important. my whole life has been about solving people's transportation problems. i am an automobile dealer. at the end of the day i have to make sure we accomplish two things -- we fulfill their expectations at a price they can afford, and number two, when they go out, they made a good purchase, and they will come back and see you again. when we get to politics, it is not about uniting us on common causes. it is about some help dividing us to the country say i just cannot get there anymore. charles is in the pen. so many people are saying i don't want to be a republican, a democrat.

all they do is fight it i want to be an independent worker can make a clear decision. i am an independent thinker in the republican party. can i work with the minority on things we agree on -- absolutely. i think there is the responsibility when you talk about wanting to work with public,in private -- but henan province and i'm not going to go that way. that is where we get the divide. int: florida is a democrat price, utah. good morning. i amr: my comment is worried about what this country is coming to. we used to be a really good nation -- a great nation, and now we are fighting diversity. the earth,eated there were no borders. i am not saying we don't need them. yes, i am sure we do, but i think it all needs to stop. need to quit putting people aside from oth countries a need break.

a lot of people have come here from other countries, and there is always one apple that is a bad apple in the bushel, and it can ruin everybody, but i think it needs to stop. i think trump needs to get off of his racial problems that he's got, and then there is one more comment i have to make -- they are complaining, congress is complaining they cannot live off of $174,000 a year? they ought to try living off of $15,000 a year. congressman? host: -- guest: for i am from, people do not live off of $175,000. it is in the high $50,000 range. i understand that. when it comes to our borders and who we let in there is a vetting process that needs to take place because our first responsibility is to the american people to make sure they are safe. we want to go through the process the right way.

do we want people to come from around the world and counting as states to make the united states a stronger, more powerful country -- a country that can give more? absolute or do we want to do at the smart way. we are a nation of laws. unfortunately the loss right now are -- laws right now are put in place for a reason. we have an opportunity to look at immigration make some changes, and do it the right way, that will be a bipartisan i have to tell you, there is nobody that is less racist than president trump. if you look at the people he has helped, you have a hard time shaking this man is -- saying this man is racist. he is not racist. it is a card being thrown out right now, and it needs to be thrown completely out. it is false. this man has a big, big heart. he has done more for people of different backgrounds and anyone that has served in this office. look at his private sector. host: do you think he said that

term -- s-hole countries? guest: i wasn't in the group, but he met with people from both sides, and the prefix to the names is honorable. he had this honest conversation with them, but then some people, instead of going out and champion the fact they had a conversation wanted to use something that they say they heard, and there are conflicting reports on that. some people say i didn't hear that. they want to use that as the story. the story is not what the -- what was said in private. the story was the president meeting with congressional leaders to come up with a common sense solution. that is the answer. this is a president that is bringing people in. unfortunately, when some of the people left the room, they used it. they are always chasing the spotlight. it has to be about me. then he to get pastor rick warren's book and look at the

purpose-driven life. the whole purpose of being there was to solve a problem, not create a moment in time to defer it, to get our eyes off of what was being worked on. are anhonor -- if you honorable member of congress you don't do those type of things. i have been in a lot of private conversations -- and something things get said in private conversations you would not say in public. it is a private conversation. we respect each other. athink the president learned valuable lesson. once you lose the trust, find out some people come into the room not to come up with a solution, but to either way to attack you, it is hard to invite those people back. host: pennsylvania. freddie. line for republicans. caller: yes, sir. good morning wonderful day here in pennsylvania. country,ikeo say my the united states of america,

has always been a compassionate country and we helped millions of people. during the reagan's time millions were given amnesty. we have to set policy. to people that immigrated america when my father came here from germany in 1925 and fought for this country and world war ii to become a citizen, and i subsequently served in the military, my father taught me this was the greatest country in the world. i will give my life for it. people coming here now, they're coming here with their hands out. they don't want to go to work. our school systems don't have the things they have. they don't teach trains anymore in high school. they are taking -- trades anymore in high school. they are taking music. if we don't set policy and stop the nonsense with immigration, people coming here illegally, the siebel will bankrupt our country and we will -- these

people will bankrupt our country and we will no longer be able to help anyone in the world. we are the best country in the world. guest: first, thank you for your service. my father was in world war ii. irish catholics, they came here to make a better life for their children. all the folks that came to america, it was always to make it better for the people they were supporting and bringing with them. you make so many good comments to do a commonty sense way people can sit down with open hearts, open minds, and try to arrive at a destination that makes sense that is not only good for the folks tried to come in, but the folks that are already here. our main responsibility is to protect the people of america. every american deserves that. we get wrapped around all these different issues and we get away

from the real issue -- do we want people to come to america? do we want to help people come here that are going to join with us to make our country greater? yes is the answer. there is so much talent out there. there is a vetting process that needs to take place. a really solid immigration reform that addresses not only the problems and the issues for people that want to come to text, theut also for -- let'scitizens arrive at a decision. people talk about the numbers -- undocumented. in my world, we don't really know how many people here are undocumented or who did not go through the process. the fact that his undocumented makes it hard to understand the immensity of this problem. president reagan tried to do something about it, but unfortunately amnesty part has only grown since then.

it is something we have to address. we have irresponsibly to get it fixed. that is why we elect people to represent you. that is my job and the job of the other 434 people in the house and the 100 in the senate to make sure we are acting in your best interest not our best interest. host: dallas. mimi, go ahead. caller: good morning. valley,n the rio grande and most of the people here are hispanics, and i was born -- born here in america, but i am hispanic. the problem over here with us is that most of the people here -- we don't see too many white people or black people here. one of the problems i see here is there are a lot of young girls coming from mexico and having kids -- they don't even have a husband they have four ofive kids, a of course, the kids are born

here, they are getting benefits. one time i was talking to one of those little girls and she said i have a couple of kids over there in mexico, and with the money they give me here for my kids i support those other kids -- my mother is taking care of them. i didn't vote this time. like a democrat, but i do what the president is doing right now. guest: ok, to our. i appreciate that. the president is very clear about it. he really believes that the current, the daca rule in place, the deferred action on childhood arrival, that should have been handled in the legislator -- legislature, the congress, including both chambers. they are the ones that need to come up with the answer. the executive order in the previous and ministration did an end run -- administration did an end run and that set in place

and that was not permanent. for whatever your feelings are on the affordable care act, that was done without republican vote. why today i was in the situation where republicans just don't want to do this? republicans want to address it and read -- undress it in responsible ways? -- undress and in responsible ways. i would rather safe what is the best interest of the american people, not any one party -- let's make sure we're keeping and not gethe ball distracted by these folks that would like to drag you off to the side on an issue they think they can pull you apart on. i would rather be unified on this. that is we are as americans -- come together, come up with a solution that makes sense for the american people and handles a problem we have in front of us right now. don't push it someplace else into the future and let some of the generation have -- handle it. it is in our day and it is our response ability to take care of it. host: the president has been

tweeted about the wall. he tweeted it would be paid for directly or indirectly through longer-term reimbursement by mexico. couple minutes ago he tweeted wall -- "we need the wall for the safety and security of our country guest: this is a president that is very clear speaking. ran in thes as he election. this was a president elected by the immigrant people. a lot of it, can skip not get on board with him the dashcam, and they were public about it. him, and they were public about it. this man stepped out of the private sector -- if you are in the president's position, a successful businessman with a

beautiful family, why would you step out of the comfort of the private sector and be the president of the united states were every single thing you do will be parsed and posed the part? -- pulled apart? there is only one reason for that -- this is a man who loves america, who wants to make america great again. he has appealed to great masses of americans. not just politically affiliated, but people who never voted before decided i am going to go out and vote and to am i going to put 4 -- tired of the status quo -- vote for -- tired of the status quo. i think they still believe in him. he is stronger today than he was in november 8 when he was elected. man working, fulfilling the promises he made when he was running for office, and you cannot deny the facts. you may not like what is happening because it destroys your rhetoric, but the american people see an economy that is taking off, it is on jet fuel. the numbers are credible.

host: keith. massachusetts. good morning. guest: -- caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i'll be honest with you, i was old and it was the first time i ever voted. i never liked any of them. when they put hillary up there i believe this.ld republicans were set on trump. they love him. they still love him. the biggest problem i have is guys like booker on the democrat side, flake on the republican side, these guys hate their own people. believe this. i am white. i don't like a lot of white people, i do not like a lot of black people, a lot of hispanic people. i like good people. i wish the blacks would understand we are paying for these illegals to come in, go to college, go to school -- we're not giving them anything.

?ost: congressman kelly? guest: when it comes to who we like, who we don't like, sometimes we are trusted to certain people. i have always found any time i would walk into a room, the person i would look and see -- i do not know if i will get along with that person, that ended up being my best friend. the more you interact with people, the more you find out you are the same person. the issues you talk about are incredibly important. i think, again, there is a cost for doing this. i do know there is another country in the world that is more welcoming than we are, that takes care of more people than we do, especially firs responders. anytime there is a tragedy anywhere else in the world. i'm on board with you. we want to have an open approach to what we are doing to make america great again. i am from pittsburgh, and the one thing pittsburgh is famous for is steel.

in aut all these elements cauldron, you raise the temperature where it melts together, and the finished product is steel. not one element, but all of them working together to make this product. it has built the world. i want people to think about that. we are a country that is welcoming, that wants to bring people together. we're not a country that wants to have people come in and want to divide us. that has always been who we are. that is who we are as americans. let's keep working on that and go back to the reason we were great to begin with and let's do what this president said -- let's make america great again and we do it by working together and working on the issues and the problems we have together on issues that can bring us together and not divide us. host: congress is vogue -- focused on immigration. do you think the congress will try again to repeal the affordable care act? guest: we are doing that right now. we already did the individual mandate and we are working now on the employer mandate. flawed from the very beginning.

the way we pay for things is by putting pressure on people. when you look at what we are trying to do right now with the employer mandate, what we are trying to do is address a power that never should have happened and did not have to happen. we are trying to unwind it and put it back together in a way that is sustainable. someally do believe that of the parts of the affordable care act were good for people. that was fine. how are you going to pay for it -- who are you putting the most pressure on? the employer mandate was critical. the individual mandate -- when would you be told you will be fine unless you do -- do not do what we say. they said this was a tax, which was not presented that way in the affordable care act. a heavy burden on some people that just cannot afford to provide that right now. host: you are leading the charge on the employer mandate repeal. where does that stand right now? guest: i think there is great

support on it. when we realize that the employer minute -- i want people to think about this. in some cases the government was saying if you have a business and you are not able to supply health care coverage, we're going to find you for that. e -- fine you for that. then you go to the other side of the spectrum, and you say when it comes to employers that supply health care for their employees or their associates, but it is too generous, we're going to go after you people -- they call it the cadillac tax. i was a cadillac dealer. if you are a worker, wouldn't you like to know the people that you work for want to provide the finest health care they can? we said to those people, it is too generous. if you do that, we'll find a way to tax you -- the beneficiaries. never before have we looked at it that way. why did it happen?

we had to find a way to pay for it? how do we find a way to pay for it, on the backs of hard-working american taxpayers. host: one more call. van, line for democrats. caller: good morning, washington journal. i love you guys. i would have to say to mike kelly that president trump is not making america great again. amera was alrey grea how dare you say tha congresss a ke they caused the division. stop acting like they didn't. they did. the mexicans aren't taking all the money. the banks are. giving it to the lobbyists. document to the people, maybe america would be great again. right now it is a joke. guest: that is ok. you can call it a joke if you want. i appreciate what you are saying. americaident is making

great again -- the stock market is at its the all-time -- at the all-time high. female unemployment is at its lowest level since 2001. 413 different states overall unemployment is at its lowest level since they first began reporting on implement numbers. manufacturing jobs last year were rival by only two previous presidents. new manufacturing orders are increasing at the fastest space in 14 years. track for three straight quarters of 3% economic growth for the first time in 12 years. is highestnfidence since 2000. job market confidence is its highest ever. for more than two main american workers and counting are receiving $1000 bonuses and/or wage increases or benefit increases directly because of the tax cut and jobs act, and our troops are about to receive the largest pay raise in eight years. the rhetoric can be out there, and you can say what you want to say, but the facts are the facts -- this is a president that has

led us in an unbelievable way. in his first 12 months in office he has done more to make america great again -- and i do agree with you, america has always been great, but i want to see us get better, and anyone who thinks the status quo is the way it should have stayed, is only reading one side of the facts. --is so good been with his with you. america, look at where you are today, look at where we are going to do, and if you can honestly tell me i will turn my back on that progress, that growth, on the bluest skies and strongest winds we have ever had at our back all because somebody told me i don't like this president? i love this president. america loves this president, and we are not on a great country, but a country the rest of the world looks to for leadership and to defend them in the greatest times of peril. i am on board. for those of you not on the trunk train, that is o-- trun

train -- trump train, that is ok, but don't stand on the tracks. host: appreciate the time. guest: thanks for having me on. host: next we will be joined by congresswoman bonnie watson coleman, democrat from new jersey. we will talk about the spending deal working its way through congress and u.s. emergency preparedness and her work on the homeland security committee. later we look at the global approval rating for u.s. leadership. jon clifton. all coming up this morning on "washington journal." ♪ >> this weekend, the c-span

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supportoleman, will you the latest resolution to avoid a shutdown tomorrow night? i don't have any intentions to support them as we have some changes, a daca deal. host: go through specific changes you want to see. guest: first of all the chip funding is temporary. we talk about spending -- saving money. if we make it permanent, we save more money. we don't have community health centers covered in this. we are pushing out extra burden on the hospitals that are provided the most care to those that are uninsured, and are in most -- most in parallel the shutdown should resources be diminished. that affects our urban centers and rural hospitals. those things are very important. most important, you cannot keep kicking the can down the road for two weeks. it is not healthy. we do home budget longer than we are doing a budget to keep the government up and running.

we need to settle this issue with daca. we may not be able to come to a full, comprehensive immigration plan in this short period of time, but we can at least deal with the hundreds of thousands now nong people who k other country as their home and protect themselves and can continue to work, go to school, and live here without living in fear. host: what would a government shutdown accomplish? guest: it would accomplish nothing. it would accomplish the hurt and the pain of those who depend upon our services, those who work for us, and it just shows that the government is not functional right now. republicans that have enough votes in both houses to do what they need to do need to make sure we are taking care of those issues and we are looking to our responsibility as governing in a more long-term and sustainable way.

republicans would mean some democratic votes in the senate if the continuing resolution gets that far. do you think there'll be some democratic senators on board with this continuing resolution? guest: as it is now, as it stands now, i don't know, as it stands now. as i understand it, in republican senator lindsey graham said he is voting no for it. if the majority that is in and the president who represents the majority is in charge, and they put forth a spending plan and they cannot even get their own to support it, what does that say? host: do you think republicans will get the blame if the government is shut down? guest: i think some of his would be responsible in and there is a majority in both houses and the presidency. host: what is the path here on the immigration debate? guest: it is to sit down and have a discussion in the presence of a present and not have them fall apart short -- president and not have them follow partially thereafter.

we think we have a deal on things, we move out one day, we're still ok, and the next day something happens. the president has to act like an adult. those advising him have to talk about the greatness and importance above and beyond who he is and what his brand is supposed to be, and to talk about this country's and milk -- country and move forward. i think that would be democrats and republicans willing to have this conversation. will democrats be in a worse position to negotiate as we get closer to the march deadline for the end of the daca program? guest: if they do what -- if they vote on the spending bill without having a -- host: if we go four more weeks down the road. guest: i thinks is an opportunity for democrats to stand up for what they believe in, and to give in on this issue without having a deal on daca does weaken the position to have a moral authority on this issue. host: congresswoman bonnie

watson coleman with us until the top of the hour. you can join us by calling debbiee will start with for you in philadelphia. independent. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. the gentleman that was on earlier talked about how the americans love president trump. this was an electoral vote, not a popular vote. also, the democrats have a messagingcause their is not coming across correctly. stated what the fight,s -- the total

chip, the health care, medicare, medicaid, social security being chip, the health care, issues, t daca. and the people think that you are just fighting for daca. the democrats need to step it up with your message. you are not locked in yet, i am telling you. host: congresswoman? guest: thank you for that, thanks for the comments, and thank you for having concern about those, sort of, broad, kitchen-table issues. it is not just one issue. daca is very important because there is a threat to over 200,000 young people who know no other country than this country as their homeland. having health care, access to community health centers, access to medicare and medicaid, wondering what is when you happen to those as a result of that terrible tax scam that was perpetrated upon americans -- we

are going to have to pay for the -- theythat it creates are going to be looking at those programs that sustain those that are in greatest need and those that are middle-class and working class families. i agree with you that we need to work on our messaging. democrats have been talking about a better deal with wages, health care, infrastructure, but we need to be able to communicate in a way tha personally its you -- that compels you to understand that what we're tryinto do is ensure that this country is representative of all people and we are not leaving anyone behind, and we are not focused on only the 1% and making them wealthier, but we are concerned about the elderly, the children, the working class family, and the very poor family, as well as ensuring that those have been great -- you have the greatest opportunity to succeed economically a given that opportunity as well. host: speaking of the children, i wonder if you would agree with the president latest tweets --

chip should be part of a long-term solution, not a 30-day or short-term extensions. i surely agree with him on that, but he should be working with his party to make that happen. the president says a lot of stuff, and every once in a while he says something that makes sense, but then he goes out and does something that close up what is being considered -- blows up what is being considered and is rational. host: appellation, new york. caller: good morning. i want to say that as an myself that we look at the complete united states of america. be "forgotten people" would -- if shut down the government for 200,002 300,000

people. the daca kids deserve to be here because this is the only country they know. we should look at the broader picture. if we do shut down the government, the democrats will be blamed, and the trump supporters and the "forgotten people," will feel more involved to say the democrats only support immigrants, illegal immigration, and others. i think we should focus on messaging and think about all americans, and not just the daca americans. guest: thank you very much for that. i appreciate your comments. first of all, democrats can't shut the government down. democrats are not going to be responsible for shutting the government down, but if you listen to this rhetoric this last year -- week or so coming out of the president as it related to immigration from africa and haiti, you understand that he is talking about country

-- countries of color, and talking about people coming from these countries of color from disparaging or racist ways. democrats recognize this is wrong. if you look at african immigration, africans who immigrate to this country are more educated to -- than the folks that are already here. we are not talking about whether or not there is legitimate immigration coming from these countries. we are talking about an immigration policy that seems to be driven by race and color. i agree with you that this is not just about the so-called dreamers who have been brought to this country by their parents. those dreamers are more than just folks coming from latin america -- those are folks that have come here for other reasons. herebrought their children for other reasons, and we need a comprehensive immigration policy. we need a comprehensive immigration legislation.

we need to be able to address diversity and fairness in our immigration policy. we recognize this as democrats. thisnnot seem to move issue of just merely dealing with what is going to happen in march if we don't straighten out this dreamer issue, let alone have a more comprehensive discussion and commitment. i assure you that my democratic colleagues, we are ready, women, and able to have that discussion and make those tough decisions. host: dallas, texas is next. mary is a republican. good morning. caller: yes, i am a little tired of the rhetoric and the democrats not taking a stand with the budget first in the shut down over dr.. -- daca. i am tired of listening to how the tax is not helping. i think people need to wake up and get to fact checking things

and quit going by what people say. thank you. guest: thank you very much, mary. i agree with the 100% that people ought to be fact checking. that is one of the reasons why the media is so vitally important -- that is where you can get fact checking. administration that is trying to denigrate and limit our access to information that is coming from various media outlets. i agree with you 100% -- we need facts, the information, not rhetoric, real news, not fake news, and when he to have a president that tells the truth more than not. host: we mentioned your work on the house committee could what were the lessons learned from the false alarm in hawaii? guest: that that was a scary situation, and hopefully nobody was harmed and hurt physically as a result of it. it was a human error.

when humans are involved there is always the possibility of an error. we need to look to see how we ensure something of that nature doesn't happen again. i had friends that happened to be in hawaii last week on their honeymoon. this is a very frightening experience for them. hawaii got to work with emergency services to make sure one person doesn't have the ability to push the wrong button by mistake. 20 to make sure we have systems in place that notified and image -- we need to make sure we have systems in place that would affect individuals of a false alarm, a real alarm, or a change in the status of an alarm very quickly so there is not the panic we saw in some situations. we need to thank god this was an example of a really unfortunate situation, but we didn't have any casualties or fatalities as a result of it. now we need to be able to anticipate. in general, how old is the

emergency alert system in the united states? guest: i don't know. i am sure that to some degree it precedes 9/11, but i am sure it has been upgraded and changed significantly since 9/11. host: are you looking for specific updates in the wake of what happened? guest: i think the fcc is doing a comprehensive investigation right now and i think it is really important that we wait to see what they find. in the meantime, i understand hawaii has put a couple of safeguards in, especially ensuring there is more than one person that can cause a system to be notified. also, i think they are looking at how to correct a mistake and alarm-- mistaken immediately when that happens. the word was out in some regards. it just wasn't on your telephones. host: as a first alert. guest: right.

efficient in't getting that word -- we were efficient in getting the word out if it were true, but not efficient in telling them mistake, mistake, stand down. host: congresswoman bonnie watson coleman with us for the next 15 minutes taking your calls with lines for democrats, republicans, and independents. lleri am talking in reference tl withe hoopla going around regards to what trump said and didn't say. we all know he said that. is is something that has been going on in the united states for years when old white men gather amongst themselves in a room where they think nobody is listening, but this is how they talk. they have been doing it for years. i am only concerned about the fact that he is in the highest office he can possibly be in and he can spew and trigger it downt of america.

that is my only concern about donald trump. everybody knows, in the minority community, he is what he is. we don't care about him. we just care about people that are covering up for him when they know he is wrong because we already know how it goes in the room when they see nothing but faces such as their own -- old white men, no minorities or women in the room. we know how they talk. we're not surprised by that at all, but we are surprised how everything is being covered up for him. guest: lamont, thanks for those comments. let me respectfully agree and disagree. first of all, i think it is important that we do hold him accountable for the things that thoses because i think things tend to divide us even more, and i think they are designed to spur up his base --

it is like red meat to a hungry those things tend to divide uslion, ad for america. we are better than that. i think we should expect white men and anybody else holding meetings talking about governing in this country, hold them to a higher standard, and expect better than that because we are better than that. i do agree with you that at the end of the day the most dangerous aspect of what this president says and thinks is what he allows to happen in terms of policies, and it has , whether or not they are policies coming out of the department of justice as it relates to drugs or other issues, even law enforcement isues -- whether or not it environmental protection, education, or otherwise, these are manifestations of a very altra -- iking, very don't even want to say conservative. conservative is not a bad word.

conservative is a decent word, but what is coming out of this white house is not decent. what is -- these policies perpetrate racism host: in this country. yesterday a woman who describes herself as african-american asked why black voters should stick with the democratic party? what would you say to her? guest: i would say we are not perfect, and we have more diverse city in the democratic party than there is in the republican party in terms of policies and beliefs, but overall the democratic party stands up for the working class. the democratic party has been pushing back on all the attempts to take a woman's right to choose away. the democratic party has been pushing for the voting rights act. the democratic party is standing up for minorities, immigrants. it talks about having infrastructure, making sure there is a plan to build this country up, to fix is a structure, to create jobs, and

it talks about the working class. day, where dothe you have the opportunity to make things better? who is going to listen to you more? it is obvious that the difference between democrats and republicans seem to be so doggone blaring right now, dashing glaring right now, that your -- glaring right now, that your chances of making things better stance with the democratic party. that doesn't make us perfect, but -- host: black women played a role in the alabama special election. guest: and in virginia and new jersey. host: areyour they having a roln the democratic party? guest: they are pushing the pit we have held tom perez and the dnc more accountable to have more black women at the table, whether we are using them as

vendors, policy, or whatever -- that will be a black woman summit in atlanta in february. it is of, by, and for us. it is to discuss our role nationally and locally in terms of politics and policy, and even just the spaces in which we can function and lead. so, do we have enough? do we have enough african-american women at the table on any level? , but i think we're making sure our voices are being heard. host: international falls, minnesota. brad is a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i have been listening to this for days, months, years. i say that th democratic party is pretty much done, and they just don't listen. this is what it looks like after you lose $1.3 billion on a real -- on a person they let take

over the dnc. so, i don't know where they are going to go from here, but they have many years to come before they even get a chance to holding on to the checkbook, the house of representatives. they have no chance with the senate. i don't know. they're just giving trump another four years. good luck with your foolishness. congresswoman, i'll give you a chance to respond. brad, for your comments. i could not disagree with you more. i think democrats have a good chance of taking back the house and 2018. that has to do with a number of things. do with legislation that has been passed that have rolled back things like environmental protection and consumer protection issues, the tax plan that only makes the very wealthy wealthier.

c, the solid, terrible rhetoric that has come out of the white -- the silence on the terrible rhetic that has come out of the whitec house and the failure to be loyal to americans as opposed to a boil to a president that is demonstrated he is incapable of being the president of united states, and that some republicans are leaving the house of representatives because they are either threatened by their district, threatened by the fact that hillary clinton's won their district, and recognize that this president's 's favorable ratings are so low and he is not helping the situation. we want to talk about the impact of the last election, we cannot not talk about that without talking about the fact that intimately involved and questions loom large about the relationship between the trumpet campaign, the trump principles, and russia as we went through this election. that, trump did not win the popular vote, so that means that while he won the

electoral college, which is outdated, unnecessary, he did not win the majority of this country's votes. host: to bring it back to the looming deadline of the government shutdown, the president tweeting a few minutes ago -- a government shutdown would be devastating for our military, something democrats care very little about. guest: listen, how may times as the president been called out for misstating the fact since he has been president? more than 2000 times. this is absolutely ridiculous. he acts like in a euro child. to say democrats don't care about them -- and eight-year-old child. to say democrats don't care about the security of our military, the safety and security of the homeland -- it is absolutely ludicrous and a further example of his ineptness. host: l y is in memphis, tennessee. a democrat.

guest: good morning. i was a former administrator. i always say good numbers work. if you have individuals that are going to be greedy as far as the taxes and everything -- if we had an equal tax bracket, we could actually eliminate some of with the revenue what part of those taxes going toward making more revenue depending on what we are invested in. what i want to say is if the government wants to continue to argue about this, we're going to have a future problem. they are arguing about money and stuff like that. they know the exact formula. clinton had a perfect formula when he was president. what are we going to do about that? the daca situation, they can build a wall from revenues of ving anqual tax revenue system which is part of those taxes. whether it be a little amount or a large amount. host: congresswoman?

first of all, there is no need for a wall, so we don't need to be spending any money on it, and secondly, the tax scam that was recently passed and signed into law by this president takes over 1.5 -- $1.5 trillion out of the revenue stream. i don't disagree with you that we should have reformed our tax structure -- that we can make it simpler. in fact, they said they would make it simpler, and they made it more complicated. fairer,d it would be and it isn't. it is elevating the wealth of large corporations and elevating the wealth of individuals who are already insanely wealthy, i should say. but we do have an opportunity to make things better, and we can start in 2018 by changing the construction of the house of representatives and the u.s. senate. host: who was re-see taylor? guest: she was an

african-american woman who recently died actually, who was leaving church one day walking from church, who was abducted by six or eight white men, who was physically and viciously assaulted and raped, and then just left there. there was never, ever any justice for her situation. and she was threatened not to tell anyone, but think god she did. recy taylor is an example of the broadness of this meet to movement, it she is an xml of the impact of this movement and to womens it relates of color, and the fact that have women in particular been the victims of tremendous assault and rape, and have not had the same kind of robust consideration or attention.

we refer to them as those who have been marginalized in these issues. recy taylor is an example of the expansion of the me too consideration, and it is someone that we were going to memorialize with a pen at the state of the union address, to remind everyone that this is an issue that affects women of all colors, all economic status, all professions. we see the pervasiveness of it. let us not lose sight of the diversity of race in this. host: ron is in beaufort, tennessee -- independent. caller: i thank you for taking my call. communityee the black to getven tryg people back to work. they do not do anything to help

them. they say, we are a victim. we are always a victim. why don't you lift people up? trump is trying to lift people up, get businesses back to work. what happens is, if you become successful in what he is trying to do -- don't look like you are puzzled. he is trying to help us bring our economy back, which it is. you can't deny that. i know obama does. that is a joke. host: congressman, a response. guest: i think that is an unfair characterization of black leadership in general, and an example of the way this president's denigration of black people and people of color has impacted your thinking. we lost clayton, our last color in the segment. i do want to thank you for the time. congresswoman bonnie watson coleman, democrat from new jersey. guest: thank you for having me. host: up next, we will be joined

by gallup's john clifton to discuss the latest survey looking at liberal approval of u.s. leadership. we will be right back. >> sunday night on "afterwards," the women's march on washington cochair reflects on the 2017 march and what is ahead for the movement in her book "together we rise -- behind the scenes at the protest heard around the world." she is interviewed by the president of demos and demos action. to them, andu say to their sisters who may not have marched but otherwise share their culture and believe? >> i say to them that it may not feel like this, but we are fighting for them too, and we believe in their potential to do the right thing. and i know that they continue

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"landmark cases" returns with a look at 12 new supreme court cases. each week, historians and experts discuss constitutional issues and personal stories behind significant supreme court decisions. beginning monday, february 26, live at 9:00 p.m. eastern. to help you better understand each case, we have a companion guide written by a veteran supreme court journalist. $8.95, plusts shipping and handling. go to your copy, c-span.org/landmarkcases. "washington journal" continues. managing clifton is partner at gallup, joining us to discuss the new global leadership report. jon clifton, remind us what the survey measures. founder0 years ago, the of our organization, dr. george gallup, studded asking a question he became famous for in

america, which is "how do you feel about the leadership of this country?" he has done that since harry truman was president, all the way to president trump. 10 years ago, we decided to take the question global and see how the world feels about u.s. leadership. not just u.s. leadership. he wanted to ask about china's leadership, germany's leadership, and russia's leadership. this announces the new results now that trump has been in office for a year. host: take us through the results. guest: after conducting surveys and 134 countries, we find the approval ratings today are now in, down from 48% last year, obama's last term in office. that decline is the single biggest shift we have seen in the history of our tracking. host: in comparison to the other countries utrecht -- germany at cha at 31%. the u.s. at 30. china at 27%.

take us over time, the shift we saw with the u.s. numbers. how big of a shift is that? guest: it is a massive shift. in the first two years we started tracking, more than the last years of george w. bush in office. the global median dropped to 34%. and obama's first year, there was a 15 point increase, the biggest shift we had seen at that point in the history of our database. through obama's term, it declined slightly. now, you have seen this decline down to 30 in trump's first year. result ofthe shift a specific countries having drop-offs? did we see specific regions? guest: it was the entire world. we saw in 64 countries double-digit declines in terms of how they feel about leadership. you might ask the follow-up question. was this about come specifically? testeday yes, because we trump's name specifically, as we had done with obama in the past,

and they highly correlate. host: how do you pick to survey in these different countries around the world? guest: great question. we do the most rigorous methodology possible. in 100 countries, we do face-to-face interviewing. nationallyue representative samples, not just urban. and the other 40 countries, we do phone sampling, random digit dial on landline and cell phones. it is a very rigorous methodology that we use in all these countries. host: do people get a chance to say why in their answers? guest: they don't. this is close type and ended surveys we do. everything in our analysis is anecdotal, and we run it against other items in the survey. phonelet me give you the lines for this segment if you want to join the conversation with jon clifton of gallup. the numbers are on your screen.

and a special line for outside of the united states. jon clifton, do these numbers matter? host: a lot of people say they do matter. global thought leaders just nine nye, popularized soft power, would say you can often get countries to do something -- to act because they want to. this is one of the best indicators to test soft power. someone like joseph nye would sayhey do matte if y were to ask someone in the trump administration, they might say, we are mang tou decisions right now. when we are making tough decisions, people are not going to like us because of that. trump tweets we are cutting foreign aid to pakistan, for example. there are not going to be a lot of people in pakistan that like that answer. he might be saying it is not what is popular, but we are doing what is right. drop off one a

might expect from an america first policy? guest: maybe. maybe. i think there are some -- it would be fair to say, when we are saying we do not want to be part of various trade agreements, when we are making tough calls in terms of our stance on various alliances that we have -- even if you look at all of our allies around the world, that is where our biggest drops were. and his of ministration have been very critical of nato. i think you can drop parallel to that. host: the red are countries declines of 10 points or more. talk about the green part, places where it increased by zero points to 10 points or more. talk about those specific regions. guest: i will give you two examples. one is israel. even before president trump made the announcement that america would move its embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, israel had one of the biggest gains in

terms of how they felt about american leadership. another more modest increase was russia. for the past two years, russia has seen us the worst of any country in the world, but there was a modest increase from 2% to 8% in terms of u.s. leadership. host: why are you picking china, germany, and russia to make these comparisons? guest: we looked to see some of the most significant world powers. we have tested others including the u.k. and e.u. in the past. but the straightforward answer is that it costs a lot of money to do this, so these were the countries we landed on in the end. significant gems from other countries over the period been any- has there jump like we have seen for the united states? guest: nothing in our history other than when obama came into office. that was a significant jump. there were other interesting countries where there were big leaps. macedonia comes to mind. it might be because of u.s.

policies toward macedonia, encouraging them to join the e.u., etc. that might be a reason they are high on u.s. leadership. the one that stands at the most to me is, we reached the highest point in the history oour tracking in iraq this year. that might be because the u.s. supported the win over isis most listeny, but also if you to arab media at the moment, one of the big challenges -- they are not saying the u.s. participated. it is hard to say. the survey was also conducted before trump made the announcement that the u.s. would move its capital from tel aviv to jerusalem, so you might see it come down. host: it is the global leadership report. where can viewers go to check it out? guest: gallup.com. host: you can call in if you want to talk about it. we have lines for democrats, republicans, independents, and those outside the u.s.. bernadette is in new mexico, line for democrats. go ahead. morning.ood listen, i am sure you are

serving a wonderful purpose, i guess, but it just leads to the robo calls, the continuous robo calls that we get from these survey people, taking surveys right. they call at the most inopportune times. sometimes, they are just plain rude, and they do not respond when you say hello, but they have your information. it is like they are looking for a live person. and then all of a sudden, there goes your information, your own private information. they have got your phone number. they have got your address. which leads to what? steantling iies. host: jon clifton, would you respond? guest: thank you for that question. you are asking about robo calls and surveys to the american public. i would say that we need to remember that surveys and polling serves a very important function in america's democracy. these results go right to leaders. more than a

representation of what people feel and how they are thinking. our founder, dr. george gallup, used to have some of the same criticisms. people said, dr. gallup, should never do what the polls say. he said, we never said that. you do not need to do what the polls say. he suggests, do what is right even if it is unpopular. but he also said you need to know what people are thinking. he believed we are providing a public service and doing it on behalf of leaders representing the voice of the people. when you get those calls, we recommend you voice your opinion. host: how does gallup pay for its polling? guest: we pay for it ourselves. we do work with fortune 500 companies and government, and take a lot of those funds and use it to serve our mission, this mission created by george gallup 80-odd years ago. host: do you have a ballpark of what it costs to survey 135 different countries? guest: i have more than a ballpark.

over 12 years of tracking, we have invested more than $100 million in this initiative. host: this specific survey. guest: that is right. host: in new york, an independent. good morning. caller: my thing with donald trump is, he loves you if you agree with him. as soon as you disagree with him, he hates you and he starts knocking you and saying terrible things about you. that is the problem with his leadership. host: that is stephen with his thoughts. scott is on our line for republicans. scott, go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. offended, first of all -- i want to say this -- i get offended when people call our good nation a democracy. it is actually a republic, said by ben franklin. second of all, the survey claims that -- they are claiming that people don't like america

because of trump. i see it not serving the abc, cbs,irection of nbc, and cnn. i just want to know what liberal college this surveyor is doing his -- that he graduated from. host: jon clifton, what are your credentials? guest: i have been a gallop for a decade. i went to school at the university of michigan and the university of nebraska. i think you bring up an interesting point, which is, in addition to do these matter and how does the world feel about us -- remember that just because respondents are saying we are not high on america's leadership does not mean that the world is down on america. we ask a different question, which is, would you like to leave your country permanently? oferestingly enough, one out seven people around the planet say they would like to leave their country permanently. not a surprise that half of the

people in sierra leone would like to leave permanently, or 21% of people would like to leave france permanently. we ask a follow-up question, where would you like to go? the number one thing people say to us, without question, is the united states. over 150 million people say they would like to permanently relocate to the united states. that was true under bush, under obama, and under president trump. this meansthink that that people are starting to hate america. in fact, you could argue that these other data suggest that the american dream is alive and well outside the borders of the united states. host: eddie is in mitchell, indiana. line for democrats. go ahead. morning, and thank you for c-sp. i like the chart you showed at the very beginning of this. this just goes to prove what i think and have said all along. when election time would come, if we would just -- if people would just sit out for two or three elections, and the rest of

the world would see how bad our is, i honestlyly believe that would straighten our government out, and it would fix everything that is going on down here in america. thank you. have a good day. host: jon clifton? guest: one thing i might say is, in terms of how people feel about our government, you are right. we asked all over the world, do you think that corruption is widespread in your government today. 10 years ago, a slight majority of americans said yes to that. over the past decade, that number has increased to 75%. i had a reporter asked me who makes up that 75%, and i jokingly said back to him, when you get back to 75%, that is a must everyone. the belief there is widespread corruption in the united states is a very big concern today. either way, that is also not true of other developed democracies. take germany, for example. germany was a must on par in terms of how many people felt

corruption was widespread in germany 10 years ago, around 50%. today, the number has plummeted to around 30%. twice as many arica feel corruption is widespread in the government compared to how people feel about thr own government in germany. host: our government made up of more than just the executive branch. how much do you attribute the drop we have seen over the past year to congress, and in action by congress? or the fact that bills are not making their way through congress? guest: probably not much. the reason i say that is we have tested the name of leaders next to this question. we went to latin america and said, how do you personally feel about president trump? lester, we said, how do you personally feel about president obama? almostbers were identical. we do know congress's approval ratings have plummeted. it used to be a punchline. it is getting to a point where it is not funny anymore, down to 15% of people who approve of how

congress is doing their job. host: connecticut, line for independents. caller: i want to make a comment polls.he results of the first, the me say something about polls. i have never had gallup call me, nor quinnipiac, and i live in connecticut. i think it is atrocious that trump and obama -- obama gave away everything. of course the world is going to tell everybody they dislike what trump has done. he is definitely not perfect. but in my opinion, he is doing a hell of a lot better than obama did, and he is taking this country to where we need to be. that is all i have to say. thank you for listening. let me address the first comment that gallup has not been able to reach you at this point. our founder used to get that question very often. if gallup show -- call so many

people, why haven't they called me yet? he was giving a speech in front of a large audience when a woman stood up and said the same thing. he shot back to her and said, statistically, the chances of us calling you, when we call a thousand people for 330 million people -- the chance is the same as you being struck by lightning. the woman actually laughed and said, that is funny, because i have been struck by lightning. so we have stopped saying that. but just so everyone is aware -- statistically, it is highly unlikely to get a phone call from gallup. but i hope we are able to continue to do this. we have a mission to do this for the next 73 years. hopefully we are able to get your opinion in that survey. host: another chart from the global leadership report, the approval of u.s. leadership in africa. 51% approving, 51% disapproving. did this survey take place before reports about the president's comments about african countries? guest: it did.

it did. the interesting thing about africa is, approval ratings remain relatively high in africa, although there has been an eight year downward trend in africa in terms of how thefeel about u.s. leadership. when you look at it compared to the rest of the countries, you have to keep in mind that africa is high on global leaders everywhere. the other trend that we keep in mind -- this is true for the rest of the world. our approval ratings are close to china. a lot of people are looking at africa, saying, in terms of soft power, who is winning the war was to mark these data would suggest that china continues to emerge as a significant leader in africa. california, the line for republicans. john, you with us? , in lakeland, minnesota, line for independents. caller: go ahead. good morning, america and c-span. comments for you -- it is funny.

first, the statistics of the world loving us, or whatever, or liking our leadership in the last year would go down -- this was one of two points i have. donaldthe fact that trump called everybody out not paying their fair share of nato, as well as that we cut our budget to the united nations because of so much waste. of course that is going to affect that. the second point of this is, you cannot put too much credit into some of this stuff, because you have to remember that obama got a nobel peace prize when he first got into office, and had office, had a year into and he did more drone strikes than anybody else, and killed more people, and more innocent civilians. that is my comments. thank you. host: mr. clifton?

guest: i think that is largely true. as i mentioned before, a lot of times -- george gallup used to have a saying, where he said you do not necessarily do what the polls say, but you need to do what is right. ofcould be argued that some the controversial things are difficult decisions being made by president trump are unpopular. these polls would reflect exactly that. host: what is going on in macedonia? guest: i think one of the interesting things about macedonia is, the united states has supported its entry into nato, and also the e.u. a lot of times, within-country policy matters. host: u.s. approval in macedonia up 15 percentage points from last year. guest: that is right. take kosovo. kosovo has among the highest approval ratings of the united states in the world right now. one of the reasons is, when kosovo declared independence years ago, the day after, the united states came out and said, we support that and recognize

kosovo's independence. approval ratings soared toward u.s. leadership. in serbia next-door, they plummeted, and serbia was down on u.s. leadership. host: what was the biggest surprise to you? guest: as i mentioned before, the biggest surprise to me was a rack, seeing the highest approval ratings in the last decade, especially with some controversial decisions. because those countries matter, the contribution to the war on isis -- that was the bigger surprise for me. jersey,nice is in new the line for democrats. good morning. go ahead, janice. caller: my question is, has gallup ever made a poll asking the question why people do not vote, and what the reasons are? i believe a lot of people are just so discouraged with the process, our democratic process, as it does not seem to be working. everything is about you are a republican or a democrat, and

there is no moderates anymore, and i believe that is the reason president trump was elected. thank you. guest: i think that is an excellent question. some of the things we do ask about our how people feel about the individual parties. your comments are right. of evilook now in terms associated as a democrat or republican, one thing on the rise is people who associate with being an independent. you could argue those data suggest if there is ever a time for a third-party, it might be now. host: jerry is in wisconsin, line for republicans. go ahead. caller: first-time caller. i have been an avid viewer of c-span for the last couple of years. if there is one thing i have noticed with c-span, it is the disorganization of our congress and senate in their rules for voting on different issues. i was wondering if gallup would consider doing a nationwide poll

of americans, and ask the question, do we feel that the senate and the house need to -- you know what i am saying, organize their rules to have one or two days per week when all members are required to be in their seats to do votes? i am seeing boats that take an hour, hour and 15 minutes. if any business in the country operated the way the congress and senate knew, it would have gone belly up in 1780 the senate and congress could reorganize their rules and have certain days for committee meetings, certain days for voting. i think you kind of get the drift of where i am going here. host: let me let jon clifton jump in. guest: it is definitely an interesting question, and it is clear you have a great deal of knowledge on that topic. whether or not we would do a poll on it might be challenging, because remember, americans individually are typically experts on their own topic, like

it suggests that you said on the call, that it can become a challenge sometimes asking very specific issues. take for example awareness when it comes to the percentage of wonle who know who america its independence from. 20% americans do not know. they say things like canada or china. asking a nuanced question about whether or not congress should reorganize may not yield the type of helpful results are insights that you may personally have. that may be a challenge to do on a survey, on exactly that topic. i think what is most helpful is whether or not americans think congress are doing their jobs effectively. i think what we see now in our results is that americans overwhelmingly say no. it has gotten so low. just two years ago, it reached a new low, under 10%. i think that is the most helpful survey we can do for leadership's right now. host: what is the process gallup

uses to decide whether to ask a new question? guest: we ask new questions all the time, and ask questions to bewe think are going most helpful to leaders in washington, throughout the country, and throughout the world. host: how do you decide what helpful is? guest: it is a difficult question. they can be topical issues. one thing we are focused on his trends over time. that is why we ask people what they know most about, like their own lives. we start something like well-being, whether lives are getting better or not. we think that is information leaders can use, because they can know whether or not their policies are effective, is whether or not people's lives are getting better is a perception, but also a reality that we think is informative for leaders. host: one more call. harry is in wellsville, pennsylvania, a democrat. good morning. say i: it is so nice to know exactly about jon clifton, and i love the job that he is

, with thehe surveys united states and [indiscernible] how deep your process has gone. you are one of the great leaders in online surveying. the call.ks for jon clifton, do you do political surveys on whether a blue wave is coming, as the caller was saying? guest: we do. we do. you could argue that a blue wave is coming, because right now, when we asked people, do you associate as being a conservative or as being a ineral, the number of people america is at an all-time high in terms of those who associate with being a liberal. if that is an indicator in terms of a blue wave coming, that would be it. host: jon clifton is a managing partner at gallup. you can check out their new global leadership report.

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the continuing resolution that republicans are trying to move to keep the government open. courte of frank kaplan, the house schedule today. there will be a one hour debate and the boat sometime after 2:20 p.m., a one hour continuing resolution debate later in the afternoon, and then recess until 7:00 p.m. for a potential continuing resolution vote. of course, if the house passes the continuing resolution, that would have to go to the senate. a lot of focus on what senators will and will not support. that legislation -- republicans would need some democratic votes to move that legislation. here is one tweet on this from david wright at cnn. senators angus king and mike brown both say they will vote against a short-term dr, in their cnn interview with independent angus king saying i would vote for a few days to do the paperwork, the to kick it down the road for another month

-- we are not going to know anything than that we do not know now. apublicans trying to move four-week continuing resolution to keep the government open. we will be watching that all day long. give us a call. let us know what is on your mind in this open phones segment. seth is up first in mclean, virginia. line for democrats. good morning. sounds like i just missed her guest. i was going to ask whether the global leadership survey polled our leadership in environmental some of these around the world, and where the u.s. ranked. host: where do you think the u.s. would ran caller: after pulling out of the paris accord, probably much lower than in the past years. host: mark is in michigan, line for republicans. mark, go ahead. caller: i would like to comment on your last guest. i find it odd that the polling since the election is all left-winning. it is hard to establish any credibility with polls that are

taken, in that they are all anti-trump, and the republican, and because of the polling during the presidential election that had hillary clinton winning hands down, it is hard for the american people to really believe in polls anymore. think polls are left-leaning? just because of what was predicted for 2016 versus what happened? caller: no, ever since trump has taken office, it seems like every poll that comes out in the .edia is anti-trump i am not a huge time supporter. i think he is doing a good job. he has his faults like all of us do. but it is every single poll is anti-trump, antirepublican. like i said, i really think polls are starting to lose their credibility with the american people. host: have polls ever influenced you, mark? --like i said, i am losing faith in all the polls,

so they do not influence me. i have to get my news directly from c-span outlets, listening to the president in person. all right. that is mark in michigan this morning. the real clear politics website that compiles various polling, one of those polls is of course the president's job approval numbers. the latest -- the reporting of the quinnipiac poll that just has presidentrday trump's disapproval rating 19 points higher. president trump's job approval disapproving by 19 points. a rasmussen poll that came out yesterday as well. real clear politics compiles those different polls. a good place to look if you are looking for a poll of polls. our brazen crockett, texas, line four independents. caller: thank you for c-span. i have really enjoyed your

programs this morning. c-spanwould like to see do -- i really enjoyed congressman mike shelley, i guess is who it was. host: mike kelly of pennsylvania. caller: i enjoy him being over there. what i think what we need is bob is over writing this bill on the daca program and the immigration deal, and it would be nice to maybe have somebody that knows the bill that is because wented, still have a lot of questions about it. we do not know what they are doing about the anchor babies. we do not know what they are doing about the parents of these daca kids. and i think most americans have come to the resolution of letting them stay. i do not agree with them having a pathway to citizenship in a

short-term deal. i think they ought to have a longer period, because they did break the law, whether they knew it or not, and that is really no excuse, with all the news media that is going on. they do not take the point to find out whether they are legal or not. their parents are not telling them. if you could get goodlatte on there, where he can explain what is in this bill -- i watched on c-span the other day, when they had the committee meeting from plus programs 80 on immigration. why do we need 80 programs? we would like to ask people that really know and are on those committees. host: if we could get the house committee leader on this program, we would love that.

we will keep working on that. gerry is in louisiana, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: i am calling about the daca. i question is, is it fair to the ones that are coming in here, the country legally, and doing it the right way? parentsquestion is, the should be held accountable. host: accountable how? caller: as coming in the country illegal. they knew they were breaking the law when they came into this country. host: when you say accountable, should they be deported? caller: yes, deported with the children. host: ok, to ralph. to thoset is not fair legally waiting to come in this country and doing it the right way, and doing the legal steps. host: to ralph in murphy, north carolina, the line for republicans. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i just wanted to put it in simple layman terms for a lot of congressmen and senators out there. if somebody jumped the fence in their backyard and decided to go ahead and put a chain up, and decided to live there, how long do you think they would sit there before they would have them arrested? how would you feel if everybody decided to jump a fence at a major league baseball game or an nfl game, and expect to get a soda and a hot dog because you jumped the fence? we have to put this in perspective. we do have laws. i feel they should be enforced. as far as the wall, i think if you designed the wall to where it has sensors on it, you could just go mile marker and know where somebody has approached the wall, and you would be able to drive there to go ahead and upper hand them at the point where they did try to cross. you know they are coming in a legal them. there is no point in going through court cases. i hear we had 900,000 or 100,000 court cases on illegals.

i wonder who is paying for the lawyers to defend them from this act. i think taxpayers of america are tired of this. i know i am. i live in the hills here. when i see paint crews coming in here, and rock mason's coming in to cut off other people's business, you know they sort of run around like a circuit, and make their money and leave town. that is ralph in north carolina. the president tweeting quite a bit about the wall this morning, including this tweet from earlier today. the wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer-term reimbursement, by mexico, which has a ridiculous 70 $1 billion trade surplus with the united states. a $20 billion will is peanuts compared to what mexico makes from the u.s. nafta is a bad joke. that is one of the president's several tweets this morning. he has been active on twitter this morning. the washington post lays out the

contours of this spending and immigration debate. -- tickingg down down, that deadline. the shutdown threat emerged on two fronts -- republican defense hawks say spitting introduced late tuesday did not devote enough money to the military. meanwhile, democrats began lining up amid pressure from immigration activists used budget talks to add leverage to legalize many young immigrants known as streamers. that is sort of the general contours of the debate. the wall street journal editorial board today with a piece about the politics of a shutdown. they added that even if republicans work in good faith to avoid a shutdown, the media will blame republicans, and many voters believe the gop must be

at fault, because it prefer smaller government. democrats understand this and use that as political leverage. that is what is going on behind the scenes as republican struggle to put together a budget that can get past the freedom caucus in the house, but also get at least nine senate democrats. democrats do not want to take yes for an answer, the editorial board of "the wall street journal" rights. you can read their opinion. gretchen is in new york, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: good morning. i want to thank you for your program, and for you and all the people behind the camera. my comment today is that i am going to the women's march in new york city on saturday. cannot wait to go. sorry about the outcome last year, but we are pushing forward , and we will get what we want. bye! host: before you go, what do you want? caller: i want to see a woman president. my leaning toward this year is -- am sorry 2020 -- is

elizabeth warren. the more women in government that we have, a different perspective -- finally, a different perspective! february, andhis i am just so tired of the mail -- male perspective. i want to have my voice heard. thank you. host: gretchen in the art this morning. the women's march anniversary rally also taking place in washington, d.c. we will be covering that march on saturday morning, starting at 11:00 a.m. you can watch it here on c-span, listen to it on the free c-span radio app. friday is the anniversary of the u.s. supreme court decision legalizing abortion in roe v. wade and the 45th annual march for life and live rally. coverage starts tomorrow at noon on c-span.org, and the c-span radio app. about 15 minutes before the house is expected to come in.

frank in tulsa, oklahoma. go ahead. caller: globalism and human migration. 11, where gods confused the language to those that were building a monument to heaven under nimrod. he confused their languages and gathered them up into groups that spake the same language. in deuteronomy 31, you can read where he set the boundaries of their nations and told them not to cross those boundaries. then you look at daniel 11 -- host: bring us to the united states, 2018. caller: i am trying to. you look at daniel 11, where he says that at the time of the end, knowledge would be increased and men would run to and fro, crossing those boundaries. that is what you have no. we would come to a one world with a human

migration wave around the world. daniel says that these people will not adhere to one another and the more than iron and clay will mix together. rick is in wisconsin, republican. go ahead. caller: i am calling to say that donald trump is doing a good job for what he is up against, you know? int i think really happened the whole nine yards is the computers. i have never had one, but i have been on the wrong computer program since 1980. they are trying to correct it. anybody in the court system, there is something wrong with it. it is all done through computers. i think that is the problem with th whole tng. they do not know how to regulate the computers. gotve known people that their death sentences taken away from their kids and them. i do not know. some computer glitch, and how they do stuff. this morning, the front page of "usa today."

apple paid $38 billion under the .ax law higher apple has come under criticism for building many of its products in china. with a sweeping set of moves partially tied to the congressional passage of the tax overhaul, including paying $38 billion in taxes on profits made overseas and opening a second corporate campus, creating more at existingjobs apple campuses, and a new one initially for technical support at an unnamed location. the company is the newest to announce payouts tied to the tax bill, and landmark wins for president trump and the republican-led congress, which said the lower corporate rate should lead to faster job growth or corporate profits, and steeper wages as companies take some of those tax savings and investment. magdalena is in st. mary's, ohio, independent. go ahead. caller: good morning, america. i love you. i come it is daca.

i am sorry, the democrats. why are they just asking for one thing, which is daca? why aren't they asking, don't touch our medicare, or how about we also want the minimum wage to be $15 an hour? why are they just asking for one thing? they finally have some power here. i think they should be asking for more. guest -- he had said something about right now would be a good time for a third party. i totally agree with him. i was wondering if c-span could have another phone line for progressives. i agree with 90% of what progressives are for. democrats, you need to fight stronger. i used to be a republican, and now i am an independent. also, one more thing -- what was it? --yes. one of your previous callers who was talking about mexicans crossing the line -- i want to

see what he would do if he was paid two dollars an hour. i think he would go somewhere they pay better. he would also cross those lines. i think we need to start speaking to mexico and figuring out another solution. i do not want anyone to break the laws, but we need to find another solution on how people can stay in mexico. we need to talk and maybe have a higher wage r them there. the wall is not working. left inout 10 minutes open phones. for months for democrats, republicans, and independents, as usual the house coming in at 10:00. other programming notes today to make you aware of -- yesterday, we talked about the criminal charges that are expected to come against officers in those deadly collisions last year, involving naval ships in the pacific. today, maybe secretary richard spencer and chief of naval operations admiral john richardson will testify before a

house armed services subcommittee on mable readiness. the issue of those collisions likely to come up. let coverage begins at 3:30 p.m. eastern on c-span 3. also today, members of the house rules committee will hear from experts at the state and federal level, to share their opinions about your mark reforms. that is the second part of a two-day hearing. it begins live at 10:30. we have talked about about earmark reform. had a segment on this program over the weekend. you can learn about it more by going to our website, visiting our archives at c-span.org. wellesley chapel, florida. line for democrats. at ionour mi? caller: i am tired of listening to republicans giving trump all of this praise for the growing of the economy.

c-span do a to see topic on what would have happened to the united states if fora had not done something the automotive industry and the banks, because the economy started growing over obama. you were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the economy, when you look at the different graphs, it is showing that the economy was growing. so was the stock market growing. -- trump inherited an increase when he came into an office. who knows? this might have been the same trend if obama was still in office, because the economy was growing under obama. host: walter, sterling heights, michigan, line for independents. go ahead. walter, are you with us? go ahead, sir.

caller: can you hear me? host: yes, sir. caller: good morning. thank you, c-span, for providing such a platform for this public discussion. i wanted to comment on the daca conundrum. the reason i call it a conundrum is because there is not much discussion on what it is rooted in. if you look at the president, here in america -- the president was people coming -- the preced ent was people coming from europe, living for free. land that did not belong to them was given to them. it was an epidemic. we all know this. nobody said anything about deporting them. no one said anything about a green card. why is this an issue now? where did the policy change to make that something that would be ignored, but here in the future, something that would be used to rip families apart? i was appalled by the news reports of families being ripped apart. , payingere 30 years

taxes. who is for that? why are you for that? what is your moral and ethic code? i hear people quoting the bible. the bible speaks of righteousness. our people now self-righteous to the point where they are blind to their own actions? just my thoughts on the subject. host: illinois, line four republicans. go ahead. caller: thanks to c-span for having this forum. i wanted to comment about your last guest, about the statistics . he said the last 10 years, everhing wt downhill for congress. i was just wondering why you did that. the democrats ran congress for two years, the last two years of bush. and we had eight years of obama, and now we have one year of trump, and he is turning things around, and people are screaming about it. he has not even had time to do anything wrong yet. that is just my comment. thank you. host: the last guest from

gallup, this guessing the global leadership report out today. that is the key chart, looking at u.s. leadership approval around the world. you can see that in 2017 a drop significantly to 30% from 48%, where it was in 2016. disapproval rates rose significantly as well, from 28% in 2016 to 43% disapproving of u.s. leadership. that report out at gallup's website today. in texas, the line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. i am 69 years old and i remember the same thing they are talking about the mexicans when they were talking about us -- supporting us back to africa. peoplere the indigenous wish they had a deportation law to take everybody out of here. the man from oklahoma quoting the bible does not read hebrew, chapter 11.

-- hebrews chapter 11. host: line for independents, annie, go ahead. caller: i wanted to comment on the right to life march. i feel like life begins at conception, and i feel like whop and the other people say they support it should be out there at the march. i also think that abortion hurts whon a lot, and the women are marching in the women's march should also consider these issues. thanks a lot. host: president trump is expected to address the march for life via satellite. there is the story from "the daily caller" on it. that much taking place tomorrow. in alito, washington, the line for democrats, go ahead. caller: watching for 29 years. i still love you guys. host: we appreciate that. we love you too. caller: i was born in a place

called hawaii. about five years ago, i found that my dad was not a citizen. my mother was australian. that makes me an anchor baby. that is an unusual thing, to think about that. i served 30 years in the u.s. navy, retiring as a command officer, chief petty officer. earlier, you had a woman from texas on, and she was talking about anchor babies. i served five years in texas and was a scoutmaster for the , thate boy scout troop made eagle scouts. i think i paid my dues. i think a lot of anchor babies would as well. a guy from north carolina talked about the law. pieceis always, in every of the world there is, a thing called intent. did you have the intent to violate the law? i can't think of any of these anchor babies or daca kids that did. about the congress and its disapproval rating. well, you take a look at the

chart and you go back eight years now. seven years, we had the republicans in charge of one house or the other, exercising what our founding fathers called a dictatorship of the minority. well, now they are in the majority and they are continuing the dictatorship. we are supposed to guard against that. got so muchess disapproval? because they either fight against good things, or they refuse to do anything. you know, we could do better if we all enlightened, and chose enlightened people, people who know the issues, people who are willing to set aside their personal ambitions for the common good of this country, which is one of the things in the preamble. anyway, thanks for your time. host: right now in this country, is there somebody you think is doing that, could do that? caller: any one of us could.

anyone of us could, if we had the higher good of -- host: go ahead. finish your thought. caller: if we had the higher good of the country instead of our own wishes having to prevail. what is best for this nation, for its future? not, what can i take for it? i guess i grew up all to a stick. my australian mother -- you had a sponsoredas alien. had my dad died, my kid brother and i grew up knowing we could go around this country. if dad died, she would not be sponsored and we would have to go wherever they sent her. that is not the way anybody should live. and the i am impassioned. maybe i am all touristic. but those are things i believe i should be. -- and maybe i am impassioned. maybe i am all truest -- altrui stic. but i believe we should all be. we should select people who would do the job best.

had a woman call about sponsoring a woman for this, that, and the other thing. what about looking for excellence in the individual? host: thank you for the call. in north carolina, line for republicans. go ahead. caller: i appreciate you all at c-span for letting me be able to come on. i just want to speak about the daca, and one other issue. understand why this is going on back and forth with the republicans and the democrats and the senate, and all, when our president has done the best he could, and has done everything he said he would do. it seems like the democrats and the republicans, they are just like they say on tv, chain reaction, that game show. they are playing back and forth

on each other. host: appreciate the call. ray our last color in today's "washington journal." the house getting ready to come in for the day. the continuing resolution debate expected to happen today. we take you there now and will see you back here tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific area -- pacific. in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's r m, washington, d.c., january 18, 2018, i hereby appoint the honorable ron estes to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, paul d. ryan, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 8, 2018, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for mng