roundtable on the effort to in the government shutdown with lesniewski andls sarah lesniewski and sarah woodward -- sarah westwood. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter as well. washington journal is next. ♪ host: good morning. day♪ 2 of the government shutdown with agencies and departments beginning to see some of the effects. this is a live view of the u.s. capitol from the mall in washington, d.c. 20 first.ary many of the national parks and museums remain open but with limited services. both chambersl holding a rare sunday afternoon session in an attempt to resolve the party differences. 1:00enate convening at p.m. eastern. the house at 2:00 p.m. eastern. calls andith your

reaction to the government shutdown. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. democrats (202) 748-8000. worker we a federal want to hear from you as well at (202) 748-8003. worker we want to hear from you as wellses on facebook. thank you for being with us on what is likely to be a busy day determining whether or not the house and senate resolve differences or the government shutdown moves into the work week. of the the front page washington post. besides cast bitter blame over the shutdown impact -- impasse. the country is sick of shutdown games. from one budget

crisis to another is getting tiresome. americans barely flinch anymore at the dire warnings of what might happen to them should the federal behemoth run out of cash. it was not supposed to work this way writes the detroit news. decisions about how to spend taxpayer dollars should not be made in a panic as the clock ticks down to a to government shutdown. the process of debating and putting in place of federal budget ought to begin with the presidential proposal in february and be completed by the start of the fiscal year on october the first. from the senate floor late yesterday this from the senate republican leader mitch start of the fiscal year on octobermcconnell announcing thae senate will be in session today with the possibility of a vote as early as 1:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. here's the senate republican leader. states is one day into a government shutdown that

some of democrats -- senate democrats have forced on her country. let's take a look at where we are. last night a bipartisan majority of senators republicans and democrats voted to avoid this. a bipartisan majority voted to advance ace -- to noncontroversial bill that already passed the house in which the president had already said he will sign. like any compromise this funding bill cannot be all things to all people. but this bipartisan bill does what we need to do right now. it adds this pointless irresponsible shutdown funds the government for our troops and millions of vulnerable americans and extends health coverage for millions of children and low income families. none of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle can point to a single thing in the bill that they oppose. not one thing.

that's why a bipartisan majority voted for it last night. smoothlyhave passed and been sent for the president's signature. except that the democratic leader took the extraordinary step of filibustering this bipartisan bill and initiating his own government shutdown. played outs how it yesterday in the u.s. senate with mitch mcconnell. alive feel of the u.s. capital. -- a live view of the u.s. capitol. whate taking a look at impact this has on federal employees. here is the chart. this is what it looks like. examples -- housing and urban development would be impacted. 7500 or about 96% would be furloughed. at epa with over 14,000

employees 13,007 hundred would be furloughed. about 95% of federal employees. the same for the education department. 87% of commerce department employees. 83% of labor department employees. about half of treasury employees would be still working. the other half would be laid off with social security about 16% of social security workers would be laid off. than 63f the more thousand social security employees. homeland security and veterans affairs would have the least impact. just over 13% would be furloughed. that from the new york times. a look at the numbers in terms of what it means for federal workers. forave a line set aside

federal employees. your thoughts about the government shutdown. (202) 748-8003. alan is joining us on the republican line in scottsdale, arizona. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. thisice is a little deep morning. what i would like to say is how do you negotiate with the since the obama administration they have not told the truth to the american people with obamacare. isrything they've done obstructed. when it came to legality the constitution and everything. how do you negotiate with people that will not tell you the truth? we will obstruct. now we have the memos that come out and they are obstructing on that and will not release that to the american public. the times article that you just had up, what was the total amount of dollars that it's

going to cost the american people? host: that number is not in the article. per day. the millions we will try to get that figure for you. let's go to the democrats line. good morning. your thoughts on the government shutdown. caller: good morning world. this is genius robert. i think it's very hurtful to think a lot. and this conversation is aimed directly at mr. donald j. trump. because he needs to realize the history of the development of this country. the development of this country had to do with slaverybecause he history of the development of this country. , exploiting immigrants especially from mexico and it also has to do with the ripping off about 11 states that became the usa through the military. so everything is done through the military. when you do everything through the military is providing food

and shelter and some kind of life for the military but it's ripping somebody off. i am totally against that and that is the reason why the daca thing should have a lot of relevance. and i know i am very radical because i think. but i don't go along with crap ok. thank you. government agencies begin the process of reducing staff. no tors at the u.s. capitol. on the linening us for federal workers. good morning. welcome to the program. doing. how you say i havet like to been a federal employee with the about 12 years. we started with 110,000 weloyees when i started and

are down to about 80,000 employees. we want to go to work. the federal government has chosen to the elected representatives who will get paid during this time by the way have chosen to shut down. they have been offered everything to the democratic side that they wanted except for daca and for those of you who are old enough to remember that ronald reagan allowed daca back in the 1980's. why we put see ourselves in this situation again. these people come into our and they use services wet they do not pay for and

can no longer afford to support that. host: the democratic argument has been that the children came over as kids, infants, toddlers 10 tow have been here for 30 years. what do you do with them? do you send them back to your home country? if this is feel the country to have known should they stay here? caller: that was the same argument they had during the reagan administration. host: i understand. what do you do with those who are here now? they wouldn't allow it to be fixed then so it is now in this situation again. host: which goes back to my question what do you do? how do you resolve the problem? caller: i'm not saying we need to send the ones that we have back. i'm saying we need to stop and say at this point in time there is no one else that is going to be allowed to stay. host: thanks for the call.

an earlier caller was asking about the cost of the government shutdown. the following available from the washington post. how did the search -- how much did the shutdown cost the economy? in lostion dollars economic output and in terms of the government expenses 2.1 billion. available at the washington post. let's go to tyra in north carolina on the independent line. day 2 of the government shutdown. caller: i would like to ask heavy ever had representative can book of colorado on your program? host: we have indeed. caller: and he talked about his book drain the swamp? host: we also had him for book tv on c-span2. caller: ok good.

i would just like to point out that what we are seeing on c-span -- this is all theater. the republicans are making their deals in the capitol hill club and the democrats are making there is in the national democratic club and the thatness of these people if you have a new member come into congress that doesn't want to play that game where they just sell out their constituents and the country. things like cafeteria privileges be taken away from them. that's the pettiness of this. i don't think they care about the military or daca or anything else. that's where i think there's a growing number of independen ts. to shut down the government over something that is not really relevant for another couple of speaks to the mindset there is with these people who are mainly working for themselves.

there's a lot that needs to be changed about that or these silly antics will just continue. host: a couple of tweaks. this is from kevin who says donald trump campaigned on a so one has to count the trump shut down as a promise kept. viewer, how rapidly those white republican racists forget that they spent eight years engaged in racist obstruction. this from the national review. hang tough republicans, don't let schumer's shutdown make you blink. the democrats negotiating stance wegive us this amnesty or will make the government shutdown and blame you republicans for it. it is the exact tactic they decried in 2013. majority of republicans who favor amnesty and even the

minority of republicans who favor it with no strings attached should not reward this democratic behavior. the democratic demands both are unreasonable in themselves and set a bad precedent. national review goes on to write the end of amnesty for illegal immigration will not mean a mass deportation. republicans should agree to limited amnesty if it comes with real enforcement members. -- measures. the headline, hang tough republicans. on the republican line joseph is next from houston, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. the thing i think that congress should realize and remember is that they work for the people. weording to the constitution the people. the 17th amendment. we directly elect our representatives.

and we don't realize that we have lost their voice. we have given our voice up. this coming november 435 of them are up for reelection. 435 withreplace all independent candidates who will get the job done who will remember they work for the american people and not themselves. host: karen buchanan has this point on twitter. i am curious how does shutting down the government cost billions. donna saying they didn't drain the swamp, they poisoned it. the right has the talking points and the propaganda slogan. .t's all over the media larry and tuscaloosa. a live view of the u.s. capital. good morning.

caller: good morning. shutdown isn the that the commander in chief is the head leader not only of the executive office but he is the head commander of the military. chief have commander in exampleupposed to set for the military. example for the military. that includes the army, the navy, the air force. he is out here using folder language. how does that set an example? the military can get put out. they can get an article 15 for in theisrespect language military. but when you have a commander in chief who is supposed to set example and is not doing that. when you have a government the commander-in-chief.

the president of this united states is supposed to set up policy. supposed to have a vision. a plan. the people in this united states. when you got chip. low income people's. .abies who need shots and you got the commander-in-chief of the military, the president who is going to sit back and blame democrats. blame republicans can democrats. what is the solution. what you going to do to help the people's? we got veterans out here. some who just came back from iraq. some who came back from the military in seoul south korea. now on food stamps. can't get their pay. host: david roth has this tweet.

it's the logical next step for the illogical leadership a.k.a. disruptive diabolical dysfunctional pick one donald. send us a tweet. also join the conversation. the house is coming in this afternoon as is the senate. a rare sunday session for both. we heard from mitch mcconnell that there could be a senate vote as late as 1:00 in the morning tomorrow. it could happen earlier. based on senate rules. and it will be live on c-span2. we would get reaction on the washington journal today. from salem, oregon. independent line. good morning. i was a lobbyist for gd

serling and company. i was a lobbyistwhen the shutdn we were able to put an amendment into the final budget that created the $350 million windfall for the company. so the story that's not being written right now, it's not the swamp. it's loosey-goosey. meaning there is so much floating around issues right now that every good lobbyist in town is trying to find whatever their it onsue is and tied whatever will be the vehicle that gets the government started again. i sense this is going to take four or five days. maybe a little bit longer as nobody knows what the president will do. this is loosey-goosey. this isn't the swamp. this is a process that is going to end up with a last-minute now and five days from there's going to be a ton of stuff in that thing that will be

individual corporations and individual benefits to the tune of billions of dollars. host: thank you for the call. mylan berg, it's very simple. trump is in charge of the government so it is his fault. some of the reporting from a team of washington post reporters with this headline. congressional leaders refuse to budge on shutdowns first day but negotiations continue. congressional leaders in both parties refusing to budge publicly from their political on saturday. avoid indirect negotiations and bitterly blaming each other for the impasse in speeches. president trump joining the fray with a series of charged tweets. moderate democrats and republicans began to rally behind a new short term funding proposal to reopen the government through early

february. that could include funding for states and in a pleasant agreement to hold votes on a bipartisan immigration deal according to senators involved in the discussion. joe is joining us on the line for independence from mesquite, oklahoma. comment.'ve got a they had been here 20 or 30 years -- come legally. need nohe wall we don't wall. just find the people that hire illegals. this is from tillman. why don't you call it government funding? he says washington journal is just using a scare tactic. whether it's a government

funding or government shutdown -- essentially is a sunday so closed so the key question is what will happen tomorrow. yesterday senator tammy duckworth had this to say. will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five deferment draft dodger. message for cadet bone spurs. if you cared about our military you would stop baiting kim jong-un into a war that could put 85,000 american troops and millions of innocent civilians in danger. havenight after the lights been turned out in the white house and the president had gone to his private quarters, i voted to better train and equip our troops. to stop wasting the taxpayers dollars with yet another cr. i voted to make sure that our

military men and women who are dmzding in the line of the who are in iraq and afghanistan across africa and asia get the help, support, and equipment they need. if the president truly cared about them than he would stop hiding behind his twitter account. stop blaming everyone else. party thattell his controls the house, the white house and the senate to do their job. to govern. to stop allowing the most extreme wing of your party to prevent us from passing the long-term funding solution that the military itself your own anders that you nominated appointed is asking for.

host: senator tammy duckworth. a veteran speaking on the senate floor in a speech getting a lot of attention on what was a busy day saturday as well with some heated emotions on the house and senate floor during part of the day. the president spending the day at the white house. he was scheduled to be at mar-a-lago to celebrate the one year anniversary of his inauguration with a $100,000 per couple fundraiser. he did speak to the gathering .ia satellite the white house released a number of photographs of him from the oval office. on the republican line, good morning. caller: i used to be a democrat but i voted republican and from. i consider myself now a republican because the democrats have nothing to offer me. i am an average middle-class seer senior citizen and i the democrats offering me nothing. haveast the republicans been offering things that pertain to me. that's why i voted republican this year. that's why i voted for president donald trump.

because he's offering me a way to help me. and he has been offering a way to help every american. don't think that the democrats do that. all they want to do is throw issues out there that do not belong in like this budget bill. things like daca. they don't want a solution to the budget. they want to fight. and i want to protest. and they want to do all kinds of things. they don't want a budget bill and that's why they are doing what they are doing and that's my comment. this from the l.a. times. on the first day of the partial government shutdown the democrats strategy posing some risk. the democrats have grown used to winning political face-offs over shutdowns. smiling from the sidelines as republicans struggled to contain the unruly factions in their party. now they are getting a taste of that stomach churning game. franklin saying

trump said he wanted to government shutdown and now he got one. another viewer richard rogers five deferments four bankruptcies six-figure payments rn foreign stars -- poo stars. trump is a hero? the library of congress because of the inability of the congress to fund the government has been closed. this is what the sign looks like yesterday. all library of congress buildings will be closed to the public and researchers. laurel is joining us from washington state. good morning. caller:public and researchers. good morning. i watched the votes, the hearings. the debates. you can learn a lot that way. what i have learned about the thatg on friday night was

there were five republicans the voted against it. and the main republican the voted against the bill that they invented was mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell voted no. that's why they lost the vote. they have enough republicans to pass things. and they don't do it. it's the republicans fault. schumer has agreement with donald trump and went back to present their agreement and got andone call from kelly kelly told him the president had changed his mind. call.thank you for the let's go to another tweet from mrs. harrington saying and this trump shut down. is joining us from

tennessee. line for independence. good morning. caller: good morning. i know exactly when the shutdown is going to end. right before the chip program runs out. chuck schumer will probably get on the senate floor and cry some more crocodile tears and say they have to out to pressure. this is all just political chaos by the who actually are no longer the democratic party anymore. they are more like a global socialists. the democratic party died 10 years ago. thanks for taking my call. thank you for your calls on government shutdown day 2. yesterdayouse floor paul ryan. >> on thursday this house responsibly passed a bill to keep the government open and to extend the children's health insurance program which covers nearly 9 million children from low-income families. no games.

no strings attached. a straightforward bill. we did our job. but senate democrats simply refused to do theirs. last night they used the filibuster to block our bill and to shut down this government. but why? what exactly in this bill was it that the summit -- senate democrats oppose? what do they find so objective of? what did i disagree with that it is worth holding the entire government hostage? was it funding for our military? was at the children's health insurance program? is it funding for the veterans administration? what is it? the answer is they have no problems with any of it. and yet they are blocking this legislation anyway.

that's right. senate democrats shut down the government over a bill that they have no issues with. they opposed a bill they don't even oppose. we do some crazy things in washington but this is utter madness. host: paul ryan will be appearing on face the nation later today. one of the five sunday programs that we carry on a tape delay basis beginning at noon eastern time on c-span radio. live look at the u.s. capitol. the house in this afternoon as is the senate with a vote scheduled into the late evening hours and potentially overnight. carol has this tweet. dems want daca and illegals here because they know it will eventually give them more democratic voters. this editorial from the nation magazine. let's go to the washington examiner.

the government shutdown has the media's full support. the editorial reads as follows. democrats government shutdown has the media's full support naturally giving democrats all of what they asked for in the budget negotiations. has the full backing of the new york times and washington post. joining us from georgia on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning steve. longtime listener. i really wish the c-span would kind of go back to like at least pointing out when callers will say things that are inherently untrue. reasons i of the wanted to call this morning and to talk about the shutdown. when someone says the democrats incked the vote for amnesty the 1980's with ronald reagan that's actually false.

he passed it. they gave amnesty in the 80's. you can google it and look it up. i just wish sometimes you would say that's not true. for democrats and republicans. when they say something that is inherently false somebody needs to say you know that's not really true. it's one of the things that bothered me. and it goes into the shutdown. everybody is so lame on the name-calling. the dems this, the true -- schumer this. it's all a big show. we know it's a big show. i personally blame the people who are in charge. because they are in charge and they know what they need to do to make the deal and they didn't want to. as proof of that they are running ads. ads in advanceed so when the shutdown happens you can air them and talk about fake memos that devin nunes wrote. it's just a big show and i just my daughter described

the way that the air force -- ed lackland -- i have three kids in the air force and one in the navy right now. antonioas in san everybody in this country needs to go outside of their neighborhood and take a look around because if they didn't have hispanics in texas that place would shut down. there would not be a single job. there were not be any -- every person we met almost was hispanic and i don't know when people say these illegals are doing this and that. there are the hardest working people i saw there. that's all i wanted to say. host: when it comes to the facts we try our very best. often the opinions are woven into what they claim will be there facts. it's really a chance for all of you to express your point of

view. we do try to correct when we can when we know the factual information. it's an opinion we want to leave those on the table and move to the next caller. an earlier caller made reference to television ads and overnight this from the trump campaign. is right.nt trump build the wall. deport criminals. stop illegal immigration now. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants. president trump will fix our border and keep our families safe. >> i'm donald trump and i approved this message. the trump from campaign released on the first day of the partial government shutdown. yesterday the president on twitter with a number of tweets. >> democrats are holding our military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. can't let that happen. we will monitor the president's

tweets as the day progresses. from greensboro north carolina. democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't think people are really listening to what is really happening. the republicans have their talking points about this closure. there were four republicans that voted against the bill. there were five democrats that voted with the republicans. if the four republicans had voted yes also i don't think the bill would have been in cloture. mcconnell voted no for a procedural vote. i'm not sure that that had any effect on it. the four republicans that voted no. you never hear any republicans in their talking points mentioned that there were four

republicans who voted no as well. someone called and said about the chip program. the chip program expired in september. the republicans have decided that they were not going to be authorized that and have held onto that for some time. i would be concerned about government employees calling in and showing some bias. i would be concerned about them being a government employee with that kind of talking points that they displayed this morning. thank you very much. .ost: thomas the shutdown will end tomorrow when stock prices drop to another tweet from roy. funny thing about the filibuster your party basically shut down the government for eight years under obama using the filibuster.

james from louisville kentucky. welcome to the conversation. caller: steve i just want to know do you do anything other than just tussle papers around, look at the computer and drink coffee? can you actually articulate a point? host: i certainly can. do you want to make your point? caller: i just want to hear your perspective on everything. host: [laughter] the great thing about this program is i facilitate the conversation but it is really a chance to hear from all of you. magazine.o the nation buck never stops with this president so there was never any chance that he would demonstrate leadership sufficient to prevent the shutdown."

carl is joining us on the democrat line from chicago. good morning. i have been listening to a lot of the callers. unfortunately you cannot understand what's going on if you come in in the middle of the movie. you have to know the characters and what they are all about. these republicans don't seem to understand because they are coming in midway in the movie. never want to do anything on immigration.

this is one of their manufactured -- wedges they have used for years now to garner support. tried to pass immigration reform when he had the house and the senate and they refused to do anything on it. president obama tried to address the problem. just those who are very innocent -- the children who were brought here. he asked the republicans to work on the bill. i think he gave them close to a year. they didn't do anything so he took action. they didn't like that he took people need toid you have to assume kids thatposing these

there is a likelihood that if they don't do anything which is very possible because they could end of having mass deportations. this is why the democrats are saying you are not doing anything. let's do something on this. all theseen waiting years now and you won't do anything. this is the plot to the story and the characters. the people need to pay more come in in theot middle and be uninformed. thank you. host: from chicago. carroll, both parties have their talking points. that is the name of the game. from patrick, i thought trump was the king of the art of the deal. i think he is more like the art of the lies. how can you have watched

washington journal for more than a day and understand the moderator does not become involved in the debate? send us a tweet. yesterday mick mulvaney meeting with reporters along with mark short explaining how this is impacting the federal government and who is to blame. more from the white house yesterday. you left a meeting with the president thinking you have the broad outlines of a deal and something happened that he changed his mind. what is your account of that meeting? >> i was in that meeting. i talked to the chief about it this morning. i will give you an example of how mr. schumer is mischaracterizing the discussions. one of the things that mr. schumer told the president was that i will give you all of the money that you want for your and the present said that's great i need $20 billion. esther schumer said, only 1.6.

that's all you asked for last year in the 2018 budget. we had a $1.6 billion request in the 2018 budget that we would like to see in the 2018 appropriations bill. that is not all of the money for the wall nor was it ever intended to be all of the money for the wall. chuck schumer had the gall to say i'm giving you everything you asked for the wall and then when pressed admitted he wasn't doing it. that is the type of engagement -- negotiation he has been engaged in with the president. doesn't even become possible -- profitable to continue working with someone like that? the omb director yesterday. as soon as he made those remarks issuing a statement that that was not the case and so the back-and-forth continues on both ends of pennsylvania avenue and between both parties. doug is joining us from oregon on the republican line. good morning.

caller: good morning steve. i want to ask you a favor. i have watched you for many years. i have a lot of respect for you. i sincerely believe you really do try to believe right down the middle. third is no down the middle in this. there are 12 appropriation bills . congress is constitutionally required to pass every year. all 12 were passed in the house of representatives by the end of the fiscal year. senates 60 votes in the to pass an appropriations bill. not one of them passed. this is a democrat shutdown. this is a schumer shut down. numbers.mbers -- pure you got to have 10 or 15 democrats to open the government back up. this is simply if you go by the numbers and the constitution

they have 60 votes. that's the rules of the senate. daca is no part of funding the government. this is completely separate issue. barack obama illegally and unconstitutionally created daca. eventually that would have come out in the courts. only congress can fix the problem. donald trump -- excuse me, the president did the constitutional legal thing. he ended daca and put it back into congress. they're the only ones who constitutionally under article one can fix this. period. am i right? host: thank you for the call. this is from the washington examiner. for the democrats the government shutdown has the media's full support.

both sides should by themselves whatever time they need to reach a broader budget deal that protects young undocumented immigrants without punishing americans with another shutdown. that from the new york times editorial on thursday. in 2013 the new york times called it an embarrassment for whotor ted cruz of texas attempted blocking a bill that funded the government including money for obamacare which has rapidly deteriorated in the years since its passage. that from the washington examiner. niels lesniewski will be joining us at the top of the hour to get the latest as the house and senate come back underway. fromhine is joining us livingston, new jersey. independent line. good morning. caller: i am so very sad about this whole process.

people have to understand this didn't just happen. where have they been for six months? why haven't they been calling their congressmen and senators for six months? the republicans have operated on a two week budget. have you ever operated a business? could you possibly talk to your vendors -- guess what, i am just going to pay you -- i am just going to operate for two weeks and maybe i will think about the contract. are you kidding? can you offer a vendor a contract based on two weeks? two weeks? two weeks? two weeks? and i can go on and on test this isn't the first cr. and who happens to be sitting in control of the votes when bills are brought up? the engine are the republicans. the caboose are the democrats.

meaning they control everything. what they tell the democrats all this time for the past month -- go sit in the corner. we are able to get around you because we don't need 60 votes. we don't want to hear from you. we don't want to know a thing about what you're talking about. so that has happened. this backdrop has happened. -- all of a sudden they came backed themselves into a corner. and why did they do that? the democrats thought we've got nothing to do. we can't do anything. so you say they hooked onto the daca. daca's are not criminals. come on, folks. they are in college. they are in business. a man was just kicked out of the country. what did he do wrong? because at 10 years old he came over. 30 years in this country and he left two kids and a wife. that's the family values? really?

over inust be turning his grave. it's just disgusting. whoevermind again controls the votes -- the time -- didn't you hear mitch mcconnell say we are going to vote at 1:00 a.m.? are you kidding? because he doesn't want anybody to see how they act. and i unfortunately am handicapped so i stay home and watch all this nonsense. going back-and-forth. it has to stop. you can't run the government on two-week budgets for six months. this isn't the first continuing resolution. where were the republicans now complaining? get on with it and vote. thank you. ghost eagle, our government is designed to create compromise. ryan sent over a bill that would not pass the senate.

from kevin, trump doesn't want mexico to pay for the wall? what changed? send us a tweet. this from the president just a short while ago. , great to seetter how hard republicans are fighting for our military and safety at the border. the dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. if stalemate continues republicans should go to 51% the nuclear option and vote on real long-term budget, not crs. stacy is joining us on the line for federal workers from memphis, new york. that morning. -- good morning. concerned asdeeply a veterans affair nurse that even though we have a contingency budget what is going to happen to the nonessential personnel that are working in

the facilities as we are trying to take care of our veterans? secondly i am also concerned about the defunding of the community health centers which andncluded in this budget what happens to our vulnerable population? host: the new york times cover beyondunday magazine on the bitcoin bubble. it's driven by greed but the mania for digital cash could wind up welding something much more important than wealth. from cq weekly, sick and afraid. the crackdown has immigrants avoiding doctors. out this past thursday, the avengers. they first marched and now they are running. a look at female candidates for public office in this midterm election. yesterday here's chuck schumer. deal to fund military and

critical programs for the middle class can be struck. we agreed to the contours of that deal. an immigration deal was then reached. children'sdress health insurance, other health issues. disaster aid. we went to the meeting and had a long and productive discussion. i told the president we democrats were willing to fund the military at the highest levels in history. we went to the meeting and hadft request. i reluctantly put his wall request for the southern border on the table. it was his request. we left the meeting having agreed to try for a short-term everybody at keep the negotiating table for a few more days. the president suggested let's do it by tuesday night. we said great. several hours later he called back.

he said, so i here we have a three-week deal. i said, no mr. president. nobody has even talked to me about a three-week deal. deal.d that's the i said, no one has talked to me. i called leader pelosi. no one had talked to her. a few hours later they called back again. well, we are going to need this this this this in addition. things that they knew were far right and off the table. lunch that seemed so promising was quickly overtaken by hard right forces in the administration. even though we bent over backwards to meet the president's demands. negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jell-o. it's next to impossible. as soon as you take one step forward the hard right forces,

the president -- host: senator chuck schumer yesterday. signs beginning to show around areas of washington, d.c., this notice to park visitors which has now been posted adjacent to the lincoln memorial indicating that the national park service because of the inability for congress to fund the government is not able to fully staff which means that there will be some but not a lot of the park rangers available. there are no gates that will prevent you from visiting the lincoln memorial or the world war ii memorial but restrooms will not be cleaned and the national park service is on a couldal staff and this change again depending on the length of the shutdown. this went from the washington post, trump's shifting attitude sends mixed signals to lawmakers. in euclid, ohio. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning.

i just wanted to say that when i was listening to them about how democrat and republican both blaming each other for what they are not doing. i feel like for them to shut down the government and not pay the employees or the military. i was surprised to hear that they are not going to pay the military. because they are still working. host: let's be clear. they will pay until february 1 and then if the shutdown continues after that there will be issues. up until then the military will be paid as normal. caller: ok. i misunderstood then. they made it sound like they weren't going to pay them. host: that's not the case. caller: they should be able to pay the employees even if they are going to be off. -- both democrats and republicans that they are

working. not all of them are working. with federal employees during the shutdown if 2013 is any gauge they were not paid during the shutdown but received the payment directly once the federal government reopened. caller: so someone will get paid for it. even the ones that are not working. host: they will get it retroactively. let me go inside the washington post to give you a sense of how this is going to impact not only federal workers but also those who rely on the federal government. it's from the washington post, how government services are affect did. it's also available online. other security and government offices related to social security will remain open. the same with medicare and medicaid and all veterans hospitals. in terms of government facilities local parks and schools and libraries, city government buildings not impacted by this. federal prisons will remain open. the federal courts have at least

three more weeks of funding so they will remain open. the congress will remain open that most federal office buildings will be closed. in terms of recreation the national parks and monuments are open with limited services. the smithsonian museums and the national zoo many are open today but the shutdowns could take effect as early as tomorrow. closed becauseam of the government shutdown. the post office remains open in the week ahead. passport offices, that's a maybe. airports will remain open. special counsel molars investigation will continue. military operations remain a maybe and irs customer services are closed. the full list is available at washington post.com. molars investigation will continue. military operations remain a maybe and irs customer services are closed. was go to have on the line for democrats. pat on the line for democrats. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span.

i just want to say this on the -- obama and the republicans. i feel this way. i listen to a lot of elder people come on there and talk about the republicans and how the -- how good they is to get -- to them. i work in a convalescent home. as prison.me 90% of them are elder white that'sand the center taken care to them are either those daca people, puerto ricans, blacks and mexicans. this from sfr, don't get caught between crying chuck and a microphone and camera if you value your physical safety. independent line. steve from michigan. good morning. government shutdown is going to cost a lot of money.

like $24one cost billion. host: $2.4 billion. caller: ok. what they don't realize is if the government shutdown lasts long enough -- a lot of the be closed because they need federal approval on their tickets. blamet know how can trump the democrats. it's all his fault because he backed out of the deal with chuck schumer. are run byotteries states. it's not a federal endeavor. caller: when they closed down the government for 16 days in minnesota they had some problems with that. lisa froms go on to arkansas. good morning. republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call.

out i amanted to point from a military family. my father was in the air force. retired. my brother followed after my dad. and i am very familiar with our military and how it works and i am very proud of our military. my son now is a contractor for our government over in south korea. and i wanted to say that i am understanding the shutdown is basically because the democrats to what it'so add all about. we are talking military which is not anything to do with daca. with anying to do other issues. it's our military and let me remind the american people. without our military we wouldn't

have the freedoms that we have. so -- we've got to put first things first. our military is protecting us from other countries. from invasion. trump is doing a wonderful job. by confronting these countries where and working things out for us in our economic issues. without our military standing guard at the dmz, north korea would invadewithout our militarg and come towards us. there are underlying issues that our people do not understand. host: from the new york times -- this." been a year of

itt night, snl was back at with the opening skit looking at the weekend update and the government shutdown. update.n weekend [applause] thank you, thank you. >> welcome to weekend update. to donaldulations trump who managed to give the government open for almost one whole year. the government shutdown at midnight last night. trump has blamed chuck schumer for the shutdown because trump never misses a chance to blame and minority. why is shutting down our entire government and option? it is time we buy our

government instead of leasing it from month to month. not aare people's lives, kia sorrento. even house of cards didn't shut down after the main guy was accused of being a predator. got rid that show they of the main guy and got a female president instead. >> all i want to know is, do we still have to pay taxes for the whole year? can we get taxes prorated? goten my cable shutdown, it i free hbo for a month. i feel like the government owes us an apple pie or something. host: we shift our focus from the government shutdown to an education bill that is expected to move through the house of representatives later this year and our guest is virginia foxx, a republican from north

carolina. here is an and. create aision is to unified student loan program. a unified grant program. criticized foren that. it sounds like a simplified system but your critics say it eliminates some of the aid that is available to low income students. how do you address the criticism? >> we don't eliminate any funding. have done no cuts in the funding for financial aid in this bill. but we have simplified it. i have heard since i have been in washington, d.c., that fafsa is impossible to deal with and we have too many loan programs and they are confusing and there are too many grant programs and they are confusing. and we are responding to the

we have too manypublic and our . members whose children have gone to college in recent times and they have dealt with these issues. i have a grandson who is a jr. in college and i have listened to his mother complain about filling out the fafsa and about the intricacies of financial aid. our goal is to help students. will to ways to be a complete a college education with a minimum of hassle. particularly as it relates to financial aid. i graduated from college without any debt. and a lot of people look at b and say, that was so long ago that it isn't possible but it is possible. and i think with the right kinds transparency and with continued financial aid that we do currently have and with

helping students be better consumers, we will see a reduction in the number of students needing to borrow money better help coming from colleges and universities. host:'s the chair of the house education and workforce committee, representative virginia foxx is our guest on the newsmakers program as we talk about the education broke -- the education bill. listen to that anytime at c-span.org. >> tonight on c-span skewing day, noah feldman and his book "the three lives of james madison. " james constitution is madison's document. the way people speak to each free and the exercise of

speech. with the case in saint pauls if you seek said, his monument, look around you, similarly, look around you and you will see it everywhere. on c-span skewing day a.c-span's q and host: our guest is sarah westwood and -- what do you know? guest: what we know is that we don't know a lot. as of right now, the best that we know is that this is used scheduled to vote at 1:00 a.m. on monday at the next offering of a continuing resolution to reopen the government through february 8.

host: why at 1:00 in the morning? host: why at 1:00 in the morning? guest: in the senate, under the way the rules are set up, if there is a filibuster and you have to move to limit debate, the earliest a vote can occur is one hour after the senate comes , two days after the majority leader has called for the vote. so if you were watching the senate floor at 2:00 a.m. on saturday morning, that is when mitch mcconnell filed a motion to set up the vote. normally you have a situation where would be one hour after the senate comes in at a normal in the:00 or 10:00 morning but because of the government shutdown, they are trying to make sure they have the vote before federal workers show up for work.

host: and the president was supposed to be in florida but he supposed to beis in. hosts switzerland. this meeting is not on brand for trump. but for him to travel in the midst of a government shutdown would send the wrong message. he canceled his trip to mar-a-lago this weekend where he was supposed to have a glitzy fundraiser where his supporters paid six figures to mingle with him. it is easy to see they would take davos off the table. host: this a few minutes -- the democrats want

illegal immigrants to pour into the country. if the stalemate continues, democrats -- republicans should nuclear option. guest: this isn't a surprise. we have heard this from the president before. the process that many house republicans have in pushing and were pushing yesterday is that the senate should change its rules and eliminates the ability for a minority of senators to filibuster legislation. the same move that was used by democrats to get rid of the ability to filibuster or block with 41 votes.

it was then expanded by mitch and republicans to the supreme court so they could confirm neil gorsuch. last year, house republicans have pushed for the senate to throw the whole thing out and there isn't much chance at all that the senate would go along with such an idea. the senate likes its ability to block legislation knowing that majorities are short-lived in the senate. again with the president once again pushing mitch mcconnell to make a change. host: this is a town of anger pointing. yesterday senator schumer referred to the negotiations and dealing with the president has "trying to nail down jell-o." guest: the broader framework of what the white house has wanted was to uncouple immigration from

this mix. this hasn't changed. but we get here that on the day that chuck schumer went to the white house and had lunch with trump and started to hammer out a deal that the terms discussed in the oval office didn't apply a few hours later which is why democrats decided to unanimously withhold votes from this continuing resolution. so even though chuck schumer offered some sort of funding for the border wall in that meeting, by the end of the afternoon it wasn't enough. and the republicans say the daca issue doesn't face a deadline until march. why are they pushing it now? guest: there is a saying that if there is one train leaving town, have all of your luggage on it.

it would protect the dreamers. and they know that there are negotiating position is strengthened when it is attached because they have the pressure of the government shutdown and there is a risk that republicans will take the blame. because republicans are in charge of all three branches of government. republicans know that their position in strengthened if it was done separately which is why they are firing so hard to keep the issues set it. will the republicans say, ok, we will negotiate while the government is shutdown? guest: it doesn't seem that way at all. the director of affairs who goes back and forth to the building behind you all the time and mick thatney yesterday said

they were happy to negotiate once the government is open. the same line that later in the day mitch mcconnell came on the senate floor at 7:00 saturday evening and said the same thing. so this is the same position that democrats took in the 2013 shutdown. the obama administration said happy to talk happy to talk about the changes once the government was open. would you could see and what seems to be happening is that there is a possibility that mitch mcconnell -- although maybe not speaker ryan -- he pledges to put something on the floor. and then it isn't a negotiation with the white house and it would be a side deal. todayso much could happen and this week. what are potential scenarios?

what do you hear from democrats and republicans on the hill? guest: once we have the 1:00 a.m. vote, whether it takes place at 1:00 a.m. or if they push it up a few hours and we have it at 8:00 tonight -- that could happen -- you could have an agreement that they don't want to be around all night so they could do itpush it earlier. once the vote happens then that is the key. because once you cross that threshold -- right now i say the vote gets defeated because they are too far apart. but that is the key vote. , youse once it happens ofe crashed the rush holt departments and agencies supposed to open on monday not opening. when you have a shutdown over the weekend, there is inconvenience and bathrooms are not being cleaned and there are things where tourists go the enclosed but he don't have the mass of the federal workforce

that either reports to work to have half of them sent home which is what we hear might happen at the health and human services department or the case may be -- once you get to monday we could be in for a long haul. if the government is closed for 10:00 on monday morning if you not reopen for a while. host: we saw photos of the president yesterday with the oval office and he addressed the at mar-a-lago via satellite. what more does he do publicly and behind the scenes? guest: trump came out early saturday morning with an early theing treat to blame democrats. that forced markets to cover that angle before the democrats came out. so what you will see trump do is hammer the line that the senate

democrats are responsible for the shutdown and that they are holding the government hostage and they are more than willing to deal with immigration but not when the government is closed. and so trump has a big megaphone and you can expect to see him use it to push the republican party line to give congressional leaders the space and platform they need to negotiate with readers.c host: are there lessons from the 2013 shutdown? our isy difference of that this has shutdown over the weekend, so far. he guest: one of the things that has been interesting with director mulvaney -- the days are blurring together but i believe it was a friday news conference at the white house where director mulvaney said in , study of how shutdowns were they think the obama

administration went to far and was to taccone and in blocking access to facilities and in arearing agencies necessary. some of what we have heard is that there will be departments -- they have cash reserves on hand and they are being told to deplete cash reserves and use them up rather than immediately send everyone home. the other thing that i say that maybe of interest to the that so far, it looks like on capitol hill that they are going full speed ahead with the shutdown mode. that sothat they are not goingo the same thing that molding wants the executive branch to do. we found out two minutes after the shutdown kicked in on friday night into saturday that we got

the notice that the senate wereng attendants furloughed. we have police officers schedule outside of buildings yesterday at public entrances to bar anyone access to the dirksen building on the senate side to anyone who doesn't have the congressional id. seems to be going full into shutdown mode in a way that other agencies aren't. host: there is a related article on politico. saying that trump wants a gentler shutdown which is a 2013ture from the shutdown. the vice president is overseas? guest: he is. there were talks that he would meeting.s

he is finally taking this trip to the middle east and he is and tell to the same standard as far as meeting to be here the way trump is. health of johnhe mccain? why mike penceon can be gone is because we don't expect the possibility of any ties in the senate because there are 99 senators in washington. and we don't know. we haven't gotten a lot of health of dates from senator recently.ffice the last we knew he was in arizona and we don't think he has come back to washington yet. they said he would be available to vote if necessary but so far it has not been necessary. everyone is keeping an eye on what is going on in arizona because we don't know.

issuedhey have statements on his behalf talking about the impact this shutdown has on the military. let's get to your calls. kathleen on the line for democrats in chicago. good morning. caller: thank you. how are you doing? ok, this is a strange thing. same republican party that is hollering about democrat shutting the government down, if i'm not mistaken, for 15 daysparty and billions of do, didn't ted cruz and the republican party that was being obstructive towards obama for where he couldn't get anything done which is why he had to do a lot of this. they shut the government down because obama wouldn't be too --

wouldn't veto his own health care. the housennell and majority leader, harry reid -- you can't trust harry reid. mitch mcconnell told him that if he do this, it will affect unemployment. when we came back over the christmas break them we would talk about unemployment. they are children. this far. go back they are just here right now today. when they came back, mitch mcconnell did not pick up unemployment. guest: i was in the capitol building for 21 days in a row in 2013. it'so the colors point,

true that this is one of those things where everyone is on the opposite side. it could be a situation where the shutdown drags on. everyone could hand the talking points from one person to the so far, everyone is predictably saying the opposite of what they said in 2013. host: matt is next from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: how are you doing? i would like to start withcalle? article one section seven of the constitution where it says that all bills should originate in the house of representatives but the senate may propose or concur on other bills. that being the case, why are we

worrying about what the senate has to say and why should the president have to sign a budget when it is not love and if i am accurate in my questioning -- meaning that the house of representatives has done their actionthat no further needs to be taken, who made that change and violated the constitution to make that happen? host: who would like to take that? guest: i will jump in and say is thee phase we are at question of whether the senate will concur in the judgment of the house as to what the spending bill should be. this bill did originate in the representatives and if you tune into c-span2 on monday representativesmorning, you wir a clerk say that they are voting on limiting debate on the motion

to concur in the house amendment with a further senate amendment. so that is where we are and no, you cannot just send something to the residence desk that the house is passed without the concurrence. host: i don't mean to put you on the spot but if anyone knows the answer, you will. when was the last time the house and senate were both in session on a sunday? guest: i don't entirely know that answer but i would say that it would not surprise me if it was during the fiscal cliff. it has probably been a fairly .ong time senate on c-span two. welcome to our radio audience including those listening on .erious xm

on thefocusing now government shutdown and congressional action later today and tonight and maybe tomorrow morning -- early in the morning. jesse from indiana, good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to make a couple of points. i do hear this all the time from reporters and pundits. and journalists on tv where republicans hold and are in control of the executive and both houses of congressi do heam reporters and pundits. and that isn't really a true statement. lady is a well-educated young lady and she knows that it takes 60 votes in the senate. in order to get major legislation through. they are in the majority but that is very different from being in control of the senate.

i did say that if they were in introl with the congressman red states that are of for reelection, they would have got the votes they needed. even with the defectors that they did have from the republican side of the aisle. host: thank you for your call. the nuclear option is a possibility with the threshold in the senate. guest: that is what republicans focus on when they deflect blame from the shutdown. they just need nine senators from across the aisle and it was senate democrats who withheld the votes from the continuing resolution and allow that to fail which is why they are as what happened so that it reflects poorly on the and they do point out

that there are red state democrats who are up for reelection who voted with their republican colleagues to pass a continued resolution and they and they do point out that that they know there could be a backlash for the shutdown. senate democrats do recognize that they could face some backlash. hattie a measure whether the democrats or republicans succeed in the shutdown? what is the benchmark? the benchmarks will be who blinks first. if democrats agreed to a continuing resolution or a budget that doesn't include immigration talks and agrees to these talks and does them separately then may be republican sense that democrats

have turned on them -- that public has turned on them. right now they are waiting to see how public opinion shakes out, to seek better seating position. host: you mentioned the white how is the white house and the rnc using this with an eye on the future election. how is the white house and the rnc usingthis will be pr narrative on the tax cuts. they voted against lowering premiums and shutting down the government and they are structured nests and the obstruction argument is how the rnc has been streaming this. the larger narrative about why republicans should be sent to congress. host: we did an interview with ed o'keefe yesterday saying there was a movement by some more prominent senators and what

can you tell us about that? there was a group of moderate members of the senate who met in senator collins office yesterday. we haven't heard too much about have decided out of the meeting yet but i think that is one of the potential outcomes here. that there is a block of senators that could develop that agreed to vote yes on this vote, whether it takes place at 1:00 a.m. in exchange for some sort of side deals that they make amongst themselves that doesn't necessarily require the blessing of donald trump. and that may be one way out of this. wherecould be a deal are enough senators who agree to do something or not do

something that brings us to a quick end. host: let's put that on the table. if you had nine or 10 democrats who said they wanted to move on the closure and proceed with the closure of the government, where does that put chuck schumer? haveuch effect as he moving forward? guest: chuck schumer is always looking ahead to the next election. he didn't seem particularly bothered by the idea that the heidi heitkamp's of the world voted the other direction. i think that the question with chuck schumer so far, it has been that he has maintained a degree of unity. but if people want to go the other way i don't think he well stop them or cause the same sort of problems for them that one might have expected harry reid

to have when he was the them aquatic leader. host: a graduate of hamilton george washington university. we go to the republican line. good morning. caller: i have a quick comment along the lines of one of the last callers talking about the same group of republicans stopping the government in 2013 but it seems to me was that obama got his way and it took another eight years to figure out that imposing taxes on people for not having health care seemed unconstitutional. and now that we have a president who is actually getting into the white house to do something, it seems that these people seem to be offended that he is actually getting his way. when if you look back over the three administrations five, it seems like they all got their way sooner or later.

suits are still getting paid six figures. guest: i think the white house has tried to put the focus on the areas where the shutdowns will be most painful, in trying to paint the democrats as culpable for forcing something bad to happen, whether it is military payment or military service members and pointing to the fact that theculpable for fg bad to happen, whether it word y used was weaponize. appeared to be more painful than it needed to be because they place the blame on republicans at the time. even though the white house is trying to draw attention to areas of the shutdown, i do not think they will exacerbate that.

caller: i was wondering, why can't they put these on the floor as separate and vote on them? we have no budget. mcconnell bring all of them to the floor when to the house.ed why didn't you bring that up? guest: it goes to the broader point about the broken nature of the appropriations process. is theey actually have budget in effect right now. there is a statutory spending lot in effect right now that nobody wants to follow. there are budget caps that have been established that run until the fiscal year of 2021 that are really restrictive that would

cut government spending discretionarythe side. it would be a huge military cut and there would be huge domestic spending cuts and an f people in congress voted for them and obama signed them into law and that is the law. and one of the reasons why you can't do regular appropriations processes is because no one wants to write associations with thet comply actual law which allows them to spend more money on whatever they want to spend it on. theng killed -- and until caps get fixed, there is no way to do an appropriations process because the bills look like swiss cheese. an editorial that goes to this point saying the headline

with "the country is sick of the shutdown game." let me read. barely flinch at the dire warnings of what might happen to them should we run out of cash. since 2002, congress has passed barely flinchmore resolutions e federal government to keep spending. -- guest: people don't like the way

things work in washington and this is the kind of thing that lawmakers fear backlash from when we head into the midterms. controversial votes might come back to haunt them. that is what is said on twitter and in public and the fact that they can't get things done -- we have had a series of change elections in 2010 and 2016. of the same ispeople are tired games from washington. host: michael has the same tweet chuck schumer looking forward to the next chuck schumer lookid to the next election. guest: to the broader point about what happens going into the next election cycle out of ofs, this is only the first three crises this year. we do think that a lapse in

appropriation in january is one thing. and members of congress and trump have to increase the debt limit this year. and the regular fiscal year ends up september 30. going, i don't think we can automatically assume that it will going, i d't think we can automatically assume that it will be smooth sailing for raising the debt limit or that we won't, somehow as crazy as it sounds, that we might risk having another government shutdown one month before election day. which seems implausible except the things have gotten so unpredictable that if you do have the minority leader in the senate saying that they are houseating with the white being like negotiating with a bowl house being like negotiating with a bowl of jell-o then i don't really know where this ends.

host: let's go to anhost: let'n. go ahead. caller: good morning. i was calling in to see. trump said that we needed a good government shutdown. and he got what he wanted. the republicans control all of the branches. house, the senate and congress. they have been going against everything for the regular people and one thing i do want to say to you -- please don't cut me off -- trump voters who put him in there, this hurts them to. o. up and smello wake the coffee. have a good day. last point, callers will continue to get paid -- members of congress will continue to to be paid.

guest: members of congress continue to get paid because there are relevant laws and appropriations and a constitutional provision. the most recently adopted amendment to the constitution says that members of congress cannot make a law that changes for salaryate of pay status during the current time. pro spector. to be so if you were to actually pass these bills that says members of congress shouldn't receive any paid during a shutdown, that would be pro for next january when the new congress comes in. these bills that says members ofthe irony, of course,t when john boehner actually -- i before he was the

speaker of the before he was the speaker of the house, when he pushed this constitutional amendment, there is no way that this is what they were thinking. the idea was to keep members of congress from raising their own salary in the middle of the year. worryng that they didn't about political consequences and they wanted to give themselves more taxpayer money. and instead, this is the scenario. it requires them to be paid while the rest of the government is not. host: this is a tweet -- with republicansit requires totally g the government, that is why it is a republican shut down or a trump shut down. we should point out that the democrats do need to vote on this. guest: that goes back to my earlier point where they were trying to lessen the pain of the shutdown because to a certain extent, some people are going to blame the gop for this. areperception is that they the party of the antigovernment

so when there is a shutdown and control, ite in will be associated closely with republicans. post,in the washington writing that the dynamics of the shutdown policies, on the trump, this is -- this -- this iso not how he expected to spend his one-year anniversary. guest: absolutely not. there are some critics who accuse the democrats of choosing this fight because it was one after trump's inauguration. and now all of a sudden we get to before continuing resolution

and there is a sense of urgency to attached provision so a skeptic would say that this timing played into their .ecision host: you cover the white house and the president sat down with reuters on the one-year anniversary but there is a very limited number of interviews he has done thus far and as we approach the state of the union, no interviews are scheduled outside of fox news. why is that? guest: in the earlier part of the administration he would do impromptuviews on an basis and sometimes that got into trouble. his messagep on because he is candid in interviews and would say things that would overshadow what the white house was trying to accomplish and john kelly's arrival has seen the end of the long parade of interviews and

they are fairly careful now about who gets to speak to the president. even and press conferences where trump is tasked with choosing the reporters to call on. it usually is a friendly journalist or someone from fox outlet outlet.rvative we see less of the white house taking chances on cnn when they know they will probably be hostile questions. host: in fact, he was ordered out of the room. guest: yes, they do not have a great relationship. please don't cut me off. all right. i think we have to say the facts that the president of the united gnash has the --ing of a street merchants

has the cunning of a street -- hasurchin. the problem that we have with the shutdown -- you could blame democrats or republicans -- but we have an idea that is not care about the american people. would would save the ship of the united states even if it got rid of the captain. guest: one of the ideas of who will win and lose in the shutdown is that there clearly is some testing going on in terms of the parts of the trump campaign where there was an ad

that was circulating yesterday and there have been increasing numbers of statements by republicans suggesting that democrats have shut down the government to provide rights to andle who are not citizens then they are taking away things so there is starting to be anti-immigrant or racial overtones that are starting to creep in to this conversation. the wayhat could change this develops. someone overreaches and i think there is a sense already when i heard from republican strategists who felt that the campaign ads that trump put out yesterday went too far and we could go down that road where much in thattoo

direction where republicans have to cave. host: we do have that ad and we moment.w that in a this is a sign outside the memorial today. arerials are open but there limited services because of the government shutdown with the lack of appropriation of funds. and this scene is being played liberty andtatue of the library of congress be enclosed. national archives are closed and this most sony and and the national zoo could be shutting down this week if this continues. guest: this is what happened. affect people outside washington, d.c. than this could continue for a while because politicians won't be

feeling the heat so much but if we see veterans turned away affe outside washington, d.c. than this could continue for a while from monuments or children turned away from museums, it increases the pain for whichever party takes the blame. be in this case that could republicans. host: you mentioned the ad released yesterday by the president. here is an excerpt. quarks president trump is right. stop illegal immigration now. democrats to stand in our way will be complicit in every murder. trump will fix our borders and keep our families safe. >> i am donald trump and i approve this message. host: both parties use the shutdown for their own political leverage. guest: that is absolutely the case and what we will see in the next week is more campaign ads. the trump is from presidential operation or the congressional committees, there were ads that were prepared ahead of time, even before the

senate vote, some of which they can't run because there are democrats who voted for it so those ads got shut to the side. but the airwaves are going to start get busy, i think. as this goes on. host: from the independent line, good morning. caller: they should continue the shutdown. this government, whether it is republican or democrat, they do inventions.e respect the people who made it possible this industrial revolution that allow the united states to become the greatest power.

you cannot become great under a communist government. there is no more opportunity now they -- do the work. guest: i think they -- do the -t is interesting there is that if a government shutdown goes on, you actually start to curtail their research funding, among other things. and a lot of what the u.s. government does -- the u.s. government spends a lot of money on various research projects, whether it is nasa or other scientific research with the fda anotherof that, that is area where when things come up, there are issues with the cdc having issues with vaccines as a result of the shutdown so there is plenty of issues with a

shutdown when it comes to innovation. host: we have a few tweets from a self-described lottery winner. too big to fail? one --n there is this who decided that the folks who clean bathrooms are nonessential? and then there's this one with the majority rule saying that the senate should also be majority rules. is what makes this a unique legislative body. it does have the ability to block or steer legislation in way that they don't have in the house. and a reason why is because we may not see the nuclear option being invoked even though in this case it would help republicans and that is because there is a recognition that if

they pull the lever there is no going back and the party in the minority in the senate would lose a lot of power. and there has been regret what harry reid did with trying to get nominee parties through. because democrats didn't have any recourse but to delay the process. expressedas democrat by going down that road. it is unlikely that you will see mitch mcconnell go down that road. let's go to fredericksburg, virginia. good morning. caller: it seems crazy what is going on in our country. it has been going on for a long time and it is the first time that i lot of people are

bit.ing little people are not being frightened that they will lose their job because i think people are speaking up more than they have in the past. i have always been one to say immigration, if we for that thenpay our country would have been a shining beacon of what it could be. and then we would have lateral capabilities to do greater things that our humanity makes us able to want to be. but we can't figure out what the big problem is. if you make 30% on a stock, you would be pleased and that appears to be the appearance of what is going on.

guest: they have to own it on the way up and on the way down. there are some people who think that markets are overextended at the moment and eventually this could turn on trump that economic growth is something you americans lot of talking about over the next 10 months, attributing that growth to the effects of the tax reform bill. that is going to be a top message in 2000 18 that people are feeling more confident about the economy and they have more firstin the bank and the cut of the argument will be the democrats who voted against the policies that make that growth possible. day to of the partial government shutdown. we are online at washington post.com to outline what impact this has on federal government workers. social security checks will continue to be sent out and there will not be an impact on that. medicaiddicare and will remain open.

veterans hospitals will remain open. courts will stay open. most federal office buildings will be closed but we begin to see changes at national parks and monuments. also at smithsonian but museums and at the national zoo. the panda camera is shutdown because the government shutdown. i want you to know that. offices -- weort are not sure yet. tsa will stay in operation. guest: if there is an issue with the military overseas, the american forces network has been taken off the air because of the shutdown which means that members of the military bases around the world are scrambling to find ways to watch the nfl playoff games this afternoon.

telecast from cbs or fox, the two military bases through a government television services. the that is one thing they are trying to scramble to find a way around today. ad we had a caller who found question about the bathrooms of the capital versus national parks, i think we will be having the bathrooms cleaned? at the capital? there are a lot of people working through the shutdown so we are hopeful for that. but we do have very limited food service during a government shutdown. ae support staff is on skeleton staff through the capital and they cut down as many people as they possibly can and i do think there will be some custodial services although if i remember correctly from 2013, we did have reduced trash

collection. and we had a lot of overflowing garbage cans through the capital building. host: so potentially, no nfl and no panda camera. let's go to share in joining us , a federal employee. what do you do? caller: i am retired at this point but i am also a veteran. thank you for taking my call. i want to say that this is all partisan politics. you get a lot of mistruths spoken by nancy pelosi saying need resolutions but cannot find out that we have anything but a continuing resolution at this point because of a budget cap so they that putting veterans and military as the priority on this. it is ridiculous. how long has she been there in the senate?

immigration is not been reformed for 30 years. so there's nothing here but partisan politics. ,nd when i watch the address the veryapped for that the messages president gave. and i want to say that i am a registered democrat that i no longer will be. guest: do may think there are partisan politics at play here. but there is no time in recent you have the immigration fight at this moment and there is no policy reason to attach it to a continuing resolution. daca promised to wind down but they have at least another month to negotiate some kind of immigration solution and we did see early signs of progress after trump convened the meeting of lawmakers at the white house. he allowed cameras to film it and it went on to weeks ago now.

and there were signs that potential he lawmakers could come together on something to address the visa lottery program. and address the migration that would have provided funding for the boardwalk and extend protections to daca recipients. but right now, those talks have there are stalled and questions as to whether they will continue. we don't know now whether republicans will pay. host: questions over what the president may or may not have said when referring to haiti --

if that didn't come out, would we still see the government shutdown? guest: i don't know if it would have mattered so much whether it came out publicly. i think honestly -- i'm not sure the effects would have been different. said, i'm not sure that it needed to come out publicly or not. because even if it hadn't, there was no way that the senator was going to hear that and is not going to tell chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and presumably members of the hispanic caucus in the house. and that it would be something that whether or not it was even public would have been known. host: good morning. i would like to say my husband is a dod employee. he wants a budget.

i'm sorry for what the shutdown does to everybody. my comment is, for people who will will tender reconciliation on the budget means you need 60 votes in which means you need to garner those votes. you cannot expect the democrats to vote the way you want. do of course they did not that with the tax break, when they kept trying to take away the obamacare. there would immediately go to the senate and say, what can you pass? 51 votes. everyone needs to remember that. i put a spin on that and say, you would not expect republicans to say, hey, democrats, you need to vote with us. they will try to hold out. host: we will get a response. thank you. i willi would say that

take the first half, when the caller was talking about her continuing say that resolutions as the caller pointed out create such tremendous uncertainty. it is not -- a government shutdown is operationally worse, but when you have these continuing resolutions running for a couple of weeks at a time, someonerd if you are who deals in federal contracting and you cannot figure out how much when you can spend. you are constantly having to change your plans. you are having foreign meetings you might have scheduled or work changed.uddenly get it is very difficult, even under a continuing resolution with

this uncertainty level to know exactly what to do. let me follow up with quick points. host: why not have a two-year budget? why do we have to year to year? guest: there have been senators who have been proposing that for years and have not gotten traction. there is no good reason. that i can think of. appropriate ears would like to do appropriation bills every year -- pro creators with -- they would like to do bills every year. they have been trying biannual budgeting for a long time but it hasn't gotten traction. host: cnn is reporting we are into sunday morning and chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell have not spoken to each other since friday. that means all day yesterday went without them sitting down to talk about a path forward. what does that tell you? guest: that negotiations are so stalled right now that they are not happening at all. lawmakers are focused on messaging now, trying to put the

most favorable frame on the shutdown, talking to supporters, taking speeches on the floor that have no other purpose other than politics. they're not trying to negotiate now because they're waiting to see how public opinion shakes out before they gauge how many concessions they need to make, come out opinion polls next week that shows the public overwhelmingly lames democrats, maybe chuck schumer will recognize democrats need to make more concessions -- lame democrats, maybe chuck schumer will recognize democrats need to take more concessions. host: and the white house is one point by week away from the president's state of the union address. guest: that will probably factor into the state of the union address, congressional this is something president trump has spoken about before and something you might see in the state of the union, it is typically supposed to lay out

the year ahead for the president, his agenda and certainly the shutdown does change what the calculus may be for the white house's legislative agenda and you will see it get mentioned. host: let me go back to my first question for those not tuning in a full hour, walk us through what will happen in the house and senate today. guest: the house is coming in this afternoon and meeting just to wait basically. house members have been told to stay in town and they are waiting for the senate. host: they were supposed to be out this week. guest: recess was for this coming week. host: but they are all here. guest: the senate has a vote scheduled at 1:00 a.m. on monday , so less than 24 hours from now. it is on a coulter motion, which is to try and break a filibuster of a government funding proposal that would run through february 8, which is a little bit shorter than the previous one.

and that vote is scheduled to happen at 1:00 a.m. later thanpen no 1:00 a.m. and it could happen earlier it there is some sort of agreement to move it up. that is what we are waiting for. we are waiting to see when the senate holds this vote, which needs 60 votes. if the democrats block it again, we go back to the drawing board and we could have a long government shutdown. host: were you familiar with what leader pelosi did last night with house democrats? at dinner? dinnerthey went out to as i understand, and a fantastic restaurants over on barracks row in washington, d.c., so they took a dinner trip and since everyone has to be here on the weekend -- there were other lawmakers going to dinner. he wasto dick durbin as leaving the building yesterday, trying to debate where to go to dinner, and they picked a spot on the senate side.

covers its lesniewski all. thank you. and sarah westwood, we appreciate you being with us. we will check in with you often as the day continues. we want to reopen our phone lines and get your thoughts on the government shutdown for democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. our line for independents, (202)-748-8002. and we have a line for federal workers at (202)-748-8003. we will also take your tweets and join in on the conversation span.facebook.com/cpsa this weekend, we are featuring the beauty and history of newport, rhode island. it was settled back in 1639. newport at the time was the largest port in north america. they share the story of slaves

in new england and the economic impact trafficking had on rhode island and up and down the east coast. one of the things i have learned growing up in newport and before becoming involved in history and interpretation is my newport grandmother would remind me as a child, slavery is how we got here, but it doesn't tell the story of the people. storyerest is telling the of the people. people of african ancestry arrived in america's via the west indies, south america, and we arrived under the most difficult circumstances of human slavery. on the other hand, we persevered. the fact that so many of african american exist today in newport, boston, new york, vegas, or in anywhere in the western -- barbados, or anywhere in the western hemisphere is perseverance.

newport would grow to be not only one of the most active ports in british north america, but also the most active slave port. between 1705 and 1805, newport merchants, along with other merchants in rhode island, were responsible for nearly 1000 trips, transporting about 100 thousand africans back to the new world during that 100 year timeframe. host: newport, rhode island, this weekend on c-span2's book tv and c-span3's american history tv. you can check it out online at www.c-span.org/citiestour. because of the house and senate sessions that will impact our coverage, a live look at the u.s. capitol on this sunday, january 21. the house is in that 2:00 eastern time in the senate convenes at 1:00 eastern time.

here in washington, along the visitorsice departed because of the cut aiken services. athens may not be cleaned and there will be fewer park rangers on hand, if at all. similar signs at the national archives in washington, d.c. the library of congress is closed. the smithsonian remains open this weekend but could face shutdowns this week if congress fails to pass a cr and at the statue of liberty, a similar sign with a notice for visitors. this is the front page of the "washington post," as the sides cast the blame over the shutdown impasse. mick mulvaney is featured from the white house briefing room. let's get to your phone calls. first is jim from new york, a retired federal employer, the government shutdown, the number two, what are your thoughts? caller: i just wanted to say, i worked for 36.5 years for the

government, so i have been through a bunch, but the one in 1995, that was a government shutdown. our office was locked up. nobody went in. you showed numbers earlier of the social security administration, and only 10,000 are being furloughed. in 1995, we were shutdown. commutes, just stay home. it was in the winter, so i was indoors, and all i did for five days was watch probably c-span with the house and senate arguing over this shutdown. i guess my point is there are shutdowns and there are shutdowns. partial,s to be now is kind of a shutdown, but that one in 1995 was it.

shutdowns, not just social security. a lot of agencies were flat out shutdown and locked down. that was it. i guess this is not so bad compared to that time. host: thank you. we will go to tony from sugar land, texas, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning, steve, and america. i have wanted to talk to the lady and man, but now that they are gone, there is no problem. i believe one of the biggest issues, first, i am a daca supporter. i do not identify as an independent, and i feel that as far as on your show, you should say others because independence normally relate themselves to democrats. bill back in 2007, i believe, that bush tried to push on harry reid when he was in charge of the senate.

whate bill, exactly president trump is asking for was in that will, ok? i do not understand why -- the only thing different is the wall. now that he is supposedly transformed and is not asking wall, why mile border all of a sudden the democrats and republicans don't want to compromise on that bill? that bill had support from cornyn, and iy, forgot the other gentleman from the democratic party, and another bill was by all inspector. 13-48.l was senate bill viewersing the c-span ill andoogle that b

see what is in that. the exact same thing trump is asking for was in it. host: thank you. yesterday, here in washington, d.c., it was the second year of the women's march, when you're after the election and inauguration of donald trump. there is a rally taking place today in las vegas. yesterday, this was the scene, also in new york, chicago, los angeles, boston, and elsewhere. we have pictures to show you as we listen cassandra from bloomington, indiana, democrat line. good warning. caller: i do not think the democrats should fall to these harlots. bill,hey passed that tax all of them, come on, how much power and money to these people need? they should get out. they should let the democrats, know,e people -- you these harlots, they should get

out because they are there for the rich people. stone, it is in , he-- and mitch mcconnell should get out, too, because he is too old. he got his money, trump got his money, what? $32 million and $1 billion to his kids? that should be it. they should just get out of the white house. host: sandra from indiana, thank you. national review, available online at their website, hang tough, republicans. a picture of the democratic leader chuck schumer, do not let his shutdown make you blink. the democrats negotiating stances give us this amnesty or we will make the government shutdown and blame you, republicans, for it. it is the tactic they decried in 2013, when republicans refused to pass legislation to keep the

government ended unless democrats agree to a partial repeal of obamacare. the majority of republicans who favored the amnesty and even minority republicans who favored with no strings attached should not reward this democratic figure. the democratic demands are unreasonable in themselves and set a bad precedents. the end of the amnesty for illegal immigrants who came here as miners will not mean a mass deportation of this population. the national review goes on -- republicans should agree to a comesd amnesty only if it with real enforcement measures, such as monetary e-verify for new hires and limits ability for the amnesty population to sponsor further immigrants. that from the national review. hang tough, republicans. mike from iowa, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? i was calling to say that the , they areutdown holding the government hostage

over these illegal, illegal immigrants that do not belong here. you have got people out there way ando do the right come into the country the right way. they are the ones that should be rewarded, not the ones that crossed the border illegally, the majority under the obama frustration, under the -- administration, under the obama administration. what we need to do this get our forces together, cake these people at that -- kick these people at that do not belong here. donald trump needs to hold the line and be strong because he is 10 times the leader that barack obama ever was. ok? and obama and his people need to go to jail. , thank you performing. this is from the nation magazine. another editorial, donald trump owns this shutdown. the president is so awol, he

might as well because net mar-a-lago. it never stops with this president, so there was no chance he would demonstrate leadership proficient tab prevent a shutdown. he was never going to put effort into understanding the budgetary balances that his predecessors understood, this and trump's bigotry is what made the interactions of the congressional leaders with the president during the days leading up to the inaugural anniversary shutdown so agonizing and awful to watch. it will only come when the players change. they go on -- unfortunately, president trump is not on the ballot this november, but speaker paul ryan and his minions are. that is available at the nation.com. donald trump owns this shutdown. jackie from california, democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. --ant to test reach a point

i want to reach a point as far as when i hear that people on the republican line, and they are saying, well, victim of its uptdown the country to pick and pass deals, just to allow illegal immigrants to stay here. one of the things you have to look at as far as being here illegally, each and every one of those people calling in talking about illegals, people being here, each and every one of their ancestors came here illegally. if the aliens would have said , none of theseer people would need to be here. the second point is when you see the news, especially cnn with all these stories about trump in the first year, and how he got billion errors connected with

working-class america, and that is -- i mean, it is partially true, but a bunch of it is not. call.thank you for the front page of "the new york times," reporting led by mark --n there, and top camp when tom cambron, blame and flickering, mighty parties efforts to resolve shutdown. "with the federal government one day into a shutdown, the house and senate reconvene saturday for a new round of bitter partisan bickering and clouding the path to a resolution despite initial talks of a compromise.

from golden valley, arizona on the republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say that i am probably in collusion with russia because my daughter is from russia. hello? host: we are listening. caller: my daughter in law is from russia. i am probably colluding with china because my sister-in-law is chinese. i have a lot of mexicans in my family from mexico city, and tijuana, but they all came here legally. ,hese people, they are parents

are the ones who got them here. it is not the american's fault. us americans are paying taxes. they do not pay taxes. they come here and they get everything. when something happens to an american who pays taxes for all these programs, and then something drastic happens in their family, they say, you make five dollars too much that you cannot get any help, but these people can come here. we need to worry about the american people. they have this thing called doctors without borders. they go all over the world helping people. do you ever see them go into the community and help americans for free? host: from golden arizona --

golden, arizona. the senate programs will be airing on c-span radio and we welcome our audience, beginning an cnn's the press state of the union, cbs's risk face the nation, and abc's this week, all today getting at noon eastern time on c-span radio. karen is a federal worker from kansas city, good morning. caller: hello. i am tickled when i hear all the news outlets saying that well, do not worry, there want to reassure the public your social security checks are still going to be sent out, but i want to remind people there thousands of people working behind the scenes making sure that they get their social security checks, and we are required to come in and work without getting paid.

unlike the legislators, who are going to continue to get there usual -- get the usual six-figure salaries, and it is very frustrating that these continuing resolutions -- i worked for the federal government on most 20 years, and an ongoing situation as long as i have worked for the federal government. i cannot begin to tell you just how dysfunctional that is. that is all i have to say. thank you. host: thank you. let's go to jacob in tennessee, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i was hoping to get information about a detailed government shutdown. my understanding is that nonessential departments will be closed and that under the shutdown, the executive ranch functions as normal but only with essential departments. the status is designated by the

executive branch and subject to the whim of the president of the united states of america. is there anything that prevents any demonstration waste from the shutdown, designating congress as nonessential and continuing under normal under the last budget and tax plan? host: the key is it is up to congress to pass the spending and appropriation bill. if they are not in session, that will not get done, as well. caller: could they continue under the 2016 federal budget? host: that is a whole issue of cr. i do not think they could do that because it is year-to-year, but the cr allows them to operate under the existing budgetary guidelines in lieu of a new budget that has been passed. caller: that make sense but i was curious about that. i know that is something that has never come up, obviously, but i was curious. thank you. as shutdown fray talks are at an impasse, the

story of the hill newspaper this morning. they write the following -- the talks between chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell have the can down, raising anxieties along lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, finding ways to end the government shutdown. maria on the democrat line, good morning. caller: good morning. tanks for taking my call. i just want to make a few quick points. the first point, one of your said,s earlier republicans do not really control the government, the congress. only doo say, well, not they controlled the congress -- i mean, the party control is the party who determines what comes to the floor for a vote. expired intance september, daca in september, not once was a bill brought to the floor.

to address it, you know? this can keep being kicked under the rug. know, lastoint, you friday, i was watching c-span and one of your guests, another asked,ist, but one was aid do you qualify for? he said, i am not sure myself. [laughter] time when this is on the table, you guys should have that information. i'm sorry, they do not qualify for employment, this or that, there are programs that they do

not -- that undocumented immigrants can apply for. that is a myth. host: this tweet from davy crockett, the real daca numbers are closer to 1.5 million, not 700,000. you may remember into a 13 the last government shutdown, there were barriers outside the last world war ii memorial. pictures indicate that is not the case this year. the lincoln memorial and other .onuments are open national park service of limited services, and the buildings, including the smithsonian, will get impacted today and tomorrow because of the government shutdown. a live view of the mall in washington on day two, sunday, generate 21st, of this government -- january 21. the one-year anniversary of the women's march and the anniversary for that was yesterday. fred from nevada, republican

line, good morning. caller: good morning. it is still dark here. i'm on the west coast. i have an idea and i don't have anything to back it up terribly, but i think this whole thing by schumer is a diversionary tactic. the house judiciary committee a three-page memo the obama administration spying on the trump administration's candidacy and everything since then practically, and i think the democrats are scared that that will come out, so they are pulling a diversionary tactic so they delay it. that is just a thought. i do not know how true that is, but i pretty much keep my finger on the pulse of what is going on politically with our country, and there has been a lot of criminality. believe me. mostly from the left, and fbi,

and the justice department. host: this is from the bbc, the perspective from great britain as the u.s. shutdown, the senate in a bid to end the impasse. the senate in session at 1:00 this afternoon, the house at 2:00. john from oregon, you are next. caller: good morning. i was just calling, i wanted to call in yesterday, but i was looking at mitch mcconnell, there is his picture there. it just strikes me on how he just burnsike water off his back like a duck. he never has to own up to responsibility. he speaks the strategy and to me it seems this puts a long strategy that is basically lying on his lap, but he does not ever get held accountable. host: rosa, you are next from

georgia, democrat line. caller: good morning. i thought it was necessary to have a shutdown because the president cannot communicate with the republicans or democrats. in order to have a shutdown, that would force him to talk with those parties. we need this shutdown. thank you. that is the comments. texas,andy from blago, good morning. --blanco, texas, good morning. caller: what other countries put foreigners first over their own citizens? they also say about the immigrants who built the country , founding fathers, they weren't . they did not sit around waiting on handouts. they worked and that is what this country was founded on. host: thank you. from the hill -- why does congress still get paychecks during a shutdown? constitution.

the story is available online at thehill.com. members of congress are still collecting paychecks out lower wage federal workers do not get article one, section six of the constitution allows lawmakers to still get paid despite the federal government shutdown due to the inability to reach an agreement. john from west virginia, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i sit and watch -- i am glad i am an independent after watching c-span like yesterday and thank you for streaming it so we could see what they are doing on the floor. what i witnessed yesterday was at 12:00 and it was a less than eight hours shift yesterday, which is why a lot of americans are fed up with everything going on in there is nond explanation why they cannot come together and figure out

something. if they had a bullet .1 at a time, just get it done. there are a lot of people this with not getting the benefits they should get. thank you. in florida, good morning. democrat line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. floridaok, i live in and i am also a retired air force veteran. i come from a family of all veterans. my sister was a veteran. my cousin is retired air force. and i am set up with all this dickering back and forth. why can't we just did them in a room together and say, you have to stay here and you cannot move into the country conclusion? they are putting the blame back and forth and it does not solve anything. this could go on forever. i'm sorry, but it is ridiculous

that we cannot come to a conclusion. shutting the government down and jeopardizing my veterans benefits and every other veteran , i'm surprised a veteran is not calling and saying, we have to get this resolved now. we don't have time to mess around. himrump is to blame, get out of there. it does not make any difference. i'm side, but this is how i feel. the: in the l.a. times, on first day of the partial government shutdown, democrats and their strategy posing risk. they write -- democrats have grown used to winning the political face-off over government shutdown, smiling from the sidelines as republicans of struggle to contain unruly factions and their own party. on saturday, democrats got a taste of that turning game on the first day of the first partial government shutdown since 2013, democrats playing a risky strategy, caught between a

rising activist base that demands protection for young immigrants and moderate lawmakers who feared taking the iconic sights- as close, an estimated 800,000 federal employees face the prospect of unpaid furloughs. latiime vailable at mes.com. we welcome our viewers in britain, including barbara in essex, england. caller: hi, steve. i tried to get on earlier to speak to niels. because the shutdown has been going on, can't we get a third-party to come in and sort this out? these people are working for us. court, do they have any say in sorting this out? we need a third-party because these two republicans and democrats hate each other's

guts. i think we need another party, another law to come in and say, no more shutdowns, just get on with it. host: thanks for the call. can you define a term, donkey's years? what does -- ears. what does that mean? another thing, long-lived trump. i love the guy. don ine will go to california. caller: long timeto you steve, great to talk to. host: good to hear from you, sir. caller: i'm calling in to say i am a disabled veteran and i want to know if i will get paid. it is good to know that all my friends that fly in those parts, alllose their because democrats want to make it that illegal aliens can take over and get their benefits when the veterans in florida made the comments, and the other caller

from nevada made the comment about the memo from the house committee. i mean, i cannot believe the democrats have a chance of winning in the election once these facts come out. they are beyond cricket. top-secret control officer and to have hillary get away with the crime she committed, and then they have this other guy changing the rules of what the crime is now. guilty. knows they are i just do not understand. thank you for the opportunity to say this. i'm hoping the have a chance. one last point, i have a caretaker that happens to be of foreign dissent. benefits but because now me, i have for take care of

she did blacks benefits until i have money to come up and pay for it. just come to california. you cannot follow the constitution. i mean, a sanctuary stay, what does that mean? thank you. god bless you. host: this was the scene houseday as the democratic with is joined by nancy pelosi meeting with reporters. the news conference, which we carried live on the c-span network, and you can check it .ut at www.c-span.org a picture of the president and a quote from last year -- we need a good government shutdown to fix the mess. parties continued the finger-pointing. let's go to ruth from jackson, mississippi, good morning. caller: yes. this shutdown was set up by the republicans. ofy could have taken care

chip in september and october. they did not want to. it is not about the people. it is about the party. it is all about them doing what they do all the time. they are doing what they have done forever. they blocked president obama from everything he tried to do, and what he did do, obama rescinded everything he does. they want this a he did not do anything, no, they did not want to do anything. they was a party of no, and they still are. , you kevin from california have been very patient. good morning. a live look of the lincoln memorial, go ahead. caller: good morning. first, thank you for c-span and your professional staff there. my comment is i think the republicans should stand strong on the shutdown and let the own this pro-illegal

immigration party. i think trump tried to negotiate this with the democrats. he got hoodwinked a little when he made the offhand comment and it allowed the democrats to spin his pro-american policy has racist, but if the republicans stand strong up until the next election, i do not think americans will support the democrats and approve illegal immigration policies. the other comment i have is in terms of priorities for the immigration deal. daca cannot be the initial issue. it has to be the final piece of the puzzle. in line with representative mccarthy and senator cotton, we need to do everything we can from presenting this situation from happening again, and prevent all the adverse consequences of legalizing all the daca recipients, in particular, we had to end chain migration and the visa lottery,

and build up the border security, and that includes the wall. the final thing is, the wall is important because good fences make good neighbors. even if it is not prevent all entry, it sends a message. has a summary of where things stand as we move into day two of the government shutdown. first, talks continue on capitol .ill after funding lapsed a bipartisan group of lawmakers are trying to seek a solution on government spending, immigration, and health care. republicans, momentum gathered for a stopgap spending plan. we should get more information on that. we do know there are a number of moderate senators, republicans and democrats, meeting that yesterday to figure out how to resolve the situation. inside the washington post, the

gop is unusually united. the shutdown is the fault of the democrats. as the struck -- as the clock struck midnight on friday, the so called ohio clock is where they meet on a regular basis. on the republican line, good morning. good morning. i think it is from the movie when jen -- jack nichols says, you cannot handle the truth. the truth is chuck schumer, feinstein and loc had spit in this. they hooked daca to this budget. this was supposed to be a clean budget vote and schumer, cosi, and the them hooked daca -- pelosi hooked daca to this end they are the ones responsible or not getting this past. the budget should have been separate. plus, do not hit the killed button so quick. obama's budgets one friend $10

trillion -- went from $10 -- $10 trillion to $80 trillion. if the democrats were just so fine, they would not have run that budget from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in aid years. numbers talked for themselves. people need to let the republicans try to read the budget for at least four years -- run the budget for four years. $20 trillion is where we are at, some numbers speak for themselves. this is chuck schumer's issue, not donald trump posture bs. -- donald trump's. host: thank you. jackie langley has this tweet saying -- i think those in -- ge of the senate the fact checker for the washington post has an extensive

graph checker available inside the newspaper and online. 2140 falserump made or misleading claims in the first year of his presidency. he says one year after taking the oath of office, the president making those misleading claims according to the fact checkers database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect -- every statement added by the president, an average of 5.9 claims every day. started this as hard if his first 100 days, largely because we cannot possibly keep up with the pace and volume of the president's misstatements. readers demanded we keep it going for another year. we plan to keep it for the rest of the trump presidency. is go to tom in ohio. good morning. democrats line. former yes, as a

conservative republican turned democrat, as i look at all the situation and as the gentleman who just got off the phone said, for the last 80% of the time, the republicans have controlled the house and senate in the last 80 years. ato not hold the republicans the fault here. for the democrats. what i hold fault is fox tv. like they said when he told sean hannity a couple years ago, you are the problem. and rush limbaugh. the president needs to quit taking his answers from fox tv and from the russians, and he needs to start working with these people. it is a known fact that he came to an agreement with lindsey

graham, dick durbin, schumer, and as soon as this clocks friends got -- as soon as his fox friends got a hold of him, our biggest problem in this country now is fox news. if you listen to them, democrats do not do anything right. republicans do everything right. i think the president needs to quit. he works for me, not fox news, and that is how i feel. host: thank you. a couple of tweets -- wake up, it is already being called the schumer shut down. and this -- all the caller for plorables.s are #de we love our viewers because you correct information. we talked about donkey's years, and brad answered and it means, a long time, a play on e

theirars -- on their ears, which are long. from new mexico, good morning. caller: i would like to read an excerpt from the journal of higher education -- "foreign students make up the majority of been moments in u.s. graduate programs and many stem fields. accounting for 70.3% of all full-time graduate students and electrical engineering. 63.2% in computer science. in industrial engineering, and more than 50% in chemical materials and mechanical engineering, as well as economics, a non-stem fields." many of these students who come u.s. citizens.me i think if we want to eliminate foreigners coming into this

country, we are setting ourselves on the course of being a second-rate nation. the journal of higher education, july 12, 2013. host: thank you for the call. this opinion piece is available om with the headline -- the shutdown shows the twisted roles of a broken congress. this week's government shutdown is a bipartisan failure with both parties trying to blame the other for the consequences in hopes of winning one for the team. it is also a systemic failure in which an outdated budget process, a complex set of procedures that keeps the government open has become an empty ritual, twisted in the service of a narrow partisan agenda. the source of the dysfunction goes back to the congressional budget and control act of 1974, as a result of the perception

within congress, which under the constitution holds the power of the person the white house with too much influence over the budget. the lot overhauls development budget for sutures and in a manner to intend to ship the power away from executive and toward the legislature and it created the modern budget process. that process has kick started by drafting an annual budget resolution initially indebted to serve as a check on the president's proposal. now calling it dysfunctional. that piece inside of the new york times and available online. from brown brook, new jersey, john, good morning. caller: how are you doing? i guess my comment would be i find it funny people are so impassioned when it comes to putting americans over immigrants or over brown people, or whatever, but when it comes down to raising the minimum wage or giving health care to americans, it seems that is a no go and nobody wants to talk about it. when it comes down to brown

people, you get people coming out of the woodwork and i think it is time to put america first and talk about wage reform and health care. maybe we could put the environment in there because without any air to breathe and the oceans rising, non-abyssal matter. -- none of this will matter. the caller from canada had everything right, abortions, gay rights, these are not the real issues. we need to focus on the sustainable future. host: front page of "the new york times," -- blame and bickering muddy the parties avoid the shutdown. -- to resolve the shutdown. dick durbin who appeared on the sunday shows and the network to eating out, the response by senator durbin to that assertion democrats are holding the government hostage, his

response, you have to concede one thing, republicans are in control of this government. we are in a minority position. that from the senate republican whip dick durbin of illinois. next, dave in arkansas. caller: good morning. thank you for the call or for taking my call. and thank you. for giving us a voice. i would like to make a comment or suggestion. it seems like what we are battling here and what a president as unpolished as donald trump, is americans i believe are seeing that if we continued the road with the liberal agenda, we are going to wind up with areas such as west coast, chicago, or new york, and we see the rest of the states wanting to succeed in some way because they are being overrun by democrats and they don't have an electoral college, and it

appears the liberal agenda does not want to put illegal immigrants first or trying to uphold federal law, which seems silly to me. i don't understand that. i kind of feel like that is what we are battling, is that folks are seeing that if we go the liberal agenda, that we are going to go quite socialist. i think that is what we are fighting. i hope i made my thoughts clear, and thank you for taking my call. you. thank from politico -- congress is shut -- stuck in the shutdown, both sides signaling they were prepared for a longer impasse. next, kevin from london, england. go ahead area good afternoon from -- go ahead. caller: good afternoon from london. most of my first cousins are american, so i am very proud

american and anti-what is going on at the moment. the shutdown would not happen in europe and it is making america a laughingstock. you do not punish your workers because of [no audio] host: kevin, you still with us? caller: [indiscernible] treat your, do -- workers with respect. politicians are getting paid, pay your workers. if you want to close the place down, do not cut wages. it is discussed in and making america a laughingstock. host: thank you for watching us on the bbc parliament channeling great britain. we welcome our c-span radio listeners. we are live throughout the day and into the evening depending on what happens. the house will essentially be a pro forma session and there could be speeches on the house floor, but the focus will be on the u.s. senate as they gobble in this afternoon. leadershear from the

mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer, and presumably, a vote could happen as late as 1:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. although, we heard from niels lesniewski that it could happen earlier. another vote to determine whether or not the senate has 60 votes necessary to pass a short-term cr, or the shutdown will continue into monday. all of that happens on c-span2. ella from harrisburg, pennsylvania, as we look at the u.s. capitol, democrats line, go ahead. caller: this is ellie. inall need to understand, 2013, on fox news, trump's famous station, he said, when we had a shutdown, the president is. to blame, the president is responsible he needs to take that blame and eat it. for 300 22 in office five days only and he has lied over 2000 times. even during the campaign he said, i am going to clean the swamp.

hillary does all these things wrong and she is a crook, the biggest crook, liar, swamp animal, the biggest swamp animal is trump. look, need people have left, have ran away and do not want to be a part of him. how this you wake up in the morning in front of his family and then lie on national tv? he does not only need a physical. i will be 70 the next few months. i am in perfect shape. he is not. a need to check the man's brain because he is out of it, he is lost. he thinks he knows everything. he bankrupt too many times. he is the most negative, unqualified, ranking person in the top of this for us folks in the united states, where we all came here for a better life. a much better life. and that is what i want to say right now. host: thank you. from "the new york times," --the

longer the government is closed, the longer the economic ripples will spread. shutdown in 2013 cost tens of billions of dollars. this photograph yesterday announced the closing of the statue of liberty because of the shutdown. we are seeing signs in washington, as well, as the impact begins to be felt. the real impact will be tomorrow, which is the end of the -- start of the new work week, and central offices close unless congress reaches an agreement. jean from yorktown, virginia, good morning. of quick couple points. first, illegals conserve in the military and we keep talking military. if illegals can serve in the military, they have a time frame to apply for citizenship. have to account for illegals. believe in sending the kids back. they should have had enough time to apply for citizenship, as

well as their parents. accountability. pass take daca off, let's off,udget, daca comes democrats, republicans, accountability for those illegal. if we know how many, we know who they are, accountability of trying to apply is not deport. i do not think the house or senate -- right now, we are allowing ourselves to use their free money, however they spend that over 30 billions of dollars a year to mexico, they cannot draw any social security or benefits. we are using their free money. we also have to create a task force for accountability of applying and then deport. host: this is from stella, andher tweet -- schumer pelosi are trying to prove they are the bosses of this country. republicans that the seats, but

dems have 95% of the media pushing their bs and in dr. needing the sheep -- and indoctrinating the sheep. another -- why do lawmakers many oft salaries while their staffers and other federal employees do not? not fair. they highlight the state of politics on president trump's anniversary. our last call, robert from oakland, new york. -- brooklyn, new york. caller: i just want to know where the tea party is? i know they disappear. and other question is, where is vice president mike pence? he is supposed to be in the united states right now and he is no are to be same. marched, our vice president is in israel, where they are treating ladies like

dogs. host: the vice president is in the middle east and egypt, part of a reschedule trip because of issues in washington in mid-december. he's expected to be back this week during the president state of the union still slated for one week from tuesday on january 30. att night, "snl" taking aim the president, his health and the government shutdown. [video clip] >> all right, all right. [applause] >> thank you for being here. first off, i would like to wish everybody a happy women's march, one million women strong out there to celebrate the ass yeart's first kick in office. we did it, girls. i know you all have a bunch of questions about the government shutdown. president trump maintains that any deal he signs must include a

border wall, and t has been consistent it must be a solid, physical wall with some part see through, some part fenced, and some parts empty spaces that just operate on the honor system. [laughter] and it will be paid for by mexico with u.s. taxpayer money. [laughter] and if you want to blame somebody for the shutdown, blame senator chuck schumer -- #shum ershutdown. host: a reminder, we will have live coverage of the house this afternoon at 2:00 eastern time. the senate at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. forward to late evening votes on the senate floor. free will have all of that and streamed on her website at www.c-span.org. we are back tomorrow morning with the live simulcast of c-span's "washington journal," more reaction to the shutdown as we look at the lincoln memorial this sunday morning. "newsmakers" is next. thanks for joining us.

hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great week ahead. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] >> next on c-span, "newsmakers" with virginia foxx. that is followed by the women's march held yesterday in washington, d.c. then, debate on the house floor of the government shutdown down. the house returns for more work on reopening the federal government. host: our guest on