we will go to san francisco. for the civil rights cases, the cases that were overturned in 1875 that made it unconstitutional -- jim crow laws went into effect in this country. frederick douglass makes an amazing speech just a week afterwards. we will take you to the place where frederick douglas makes douglass makesck that speech. we will talk about how these are relevant for today. >> the sure to watch these beginning february 26 at 9:00 p.m. eastern live on c-span, c-span.org, or listen with the free radio app. to help you better understand each case, we have a companion guide written by veteran supreme court journalist tony marlow. the book, go to www.c-span.org /landmarkcases. president joe

biden coming up. he will be talking about u.s.-russia relations scheduled for 12:30 eastern. until then, part of the day's washington journal. our politics editor talking about the shutdown and the end of it for it hello. >> how is it going? >> who lost in this process? for chucka shutdown schumer. there has never been one of these still made has ended well for the republicans. this one was a little bit different. there was no clear end game for the democrats and what they were actually going to accomplish or extract from president trump. the hope was that there are the and overwhelming backlash -- it would reinforce the idea that

trump's washington is chaotic. democratic base thought of it as an uprising of source against a racist "resident after the "s-hole countries comment. the problem that the democrats had was that they had a number of senators that are up for reelection this year in states that president trump one. -- won. it was clear the democrats in those states and other democrats states were not enthusiastic about the shutdown from the very beginning. you saw some moderates and democrats from red states beginning to buckle as early as friday. it was not clear that senator schumer was going to be able to hold his caucus together long enough for this to work. on top of that, the public opinion was favoring democrats a bit and but it was not overwhelming. obviously comes

out of its somewhat of a winner because it is another case where he was able to outmaneuver senator schumer. the moderates in both parties winnert a bit of a because they were very important to the dealmaking process by which this was resolved. host: susan collins this morning and joe -- guest: senator collins was very much out front fighting her leadership. senator manchin was running for reelection this year. it is very important for him to distinguish himself from the democratic brand. their ability to resolve this so quickly is really important for manchin politically and collins as a leader in the senate. host: our guest is with us until the end of the show. (202) 748-8000 per democrats, (202) 748-8001 four republicans, (202) 748-8002 for independents.

how did messaging go, did that go a long way? helped. think it the democrats had a conflict in the message. they said the shutdown is a necessary and it was the weredent's fault, but they also saying that it was a very important to shut down -- the issue is so -- daca important, that a government shutdown is necessary. republicans had a pretty clear-cut message that the democrats have an immigration driven government shutdown that they are pushing. it is possible that democrats could have one that messaging war nationally, they were putting their vulnerable incumbents in a tricky position. host: now we have a new deadline. how do both sides capitalize? guest: you heard senator schumer

say there are 17 days to save the dreamers. people are going to begin getting deported. that is intended to put pressure on republicans. republicans are going to argue that the real deadline is march 5 -- maybe even later than that. democrats are going to counter while there are ready 100 people a day losing their daca protection so we really need to act now. it is an urgent matter. i do not think there is a lot of confidence that the courts are going to resolve this issue in favor of the dreamers necessarily. toocrats are really going press for a legislative solution soon and the two sides do not seem to be very close together in what that solution would look like. host: house republicans the -- house republicans steve scully's saying --

think that is the problem that a lot of senators have. it really goes far in direction relying on mitch mcconnell's guarantees. there is not all whole lot that he can guarantee. you cannot guarantee that president trump would sign the bill. you cannot guarantee of the house passing it. immigration hawks have more leverage than they ever had. this is been something that both parties have been battling. negotiating table, you have republicans and democrats who fundamentally agree with each other on immigration trying to carve a bill that might have enough border security concessions to move a few stragglers into the coalition. this time, president trump is that everybody from tom cotton to lindsey graham and the democrats all at the table together. anthe one hand, the present option for there to be a real

compromise on immigration, but on the other hand, you are dealing with people who have diametrically opposed views that can sometimes make it harder to get a solution. host: first call is from mike in pennsylvania. go ahead. caller: i still cannot understand what in the world something like daca has to do with anything with the budget. who and why the republicans insist that that be included in that bill in the first place. it seems like a completely separate issue to me. my second question for pedro is, that woman called in the previous stating that c-span was owned by cnn was just another example of the ignorant, uninformed thinking that goes on

in this country. i do not understand what anyone is going to be able to do about that. i want to see an opinion on that. will let you answer the first part of that. guest: it was mostly democrats who wanted daca and the continuing resolution because they mostly believe that if you attach it to a must-have spending bill, they could get a clean daca fix. it was really people who wanted passed, clean daca fix who wanted it to be a part of the spending. that is part why the republicans were able to push back against this successfully. in the past, it was republicans -- a try to put extraneous it may not have been the a political rule, and may be that

the party that is perceived as the aggressor in the government shutdown fight is at a disadvantage. host: in maryland, republican line. mike? in new york. juan democrats line. : i was going to watch -- i will to welcome one and all to the council meeting. launch the january and february issue of our magazine. i do urge you to read it. like all of our issues, and begins with a cluster and there is a cluster of a half-dozen articles on a subject that not get the attention it deserves which is how countries have dealt with or failed to deal with the legacies of their own p