ahead at the week in washington with alexi mcammond and stephen dinan.-- stephen -- the cost of the pentagon first ever audit. ♪ the house plans to take up legislation to stop school violence. it would authorize $75 million to provides, training for law enforcement, school personnel, and students to help prevent gun violence. this comes as the white house outlined what it would like to see, among the proposals discussed yesterday, money to teachers in gun use. it would allow states to take guns away from those deemed to

be a threat. one proposal that did not make it was an age requirement of 21 years old to buy guns. we want to hear from you, about idea.ou think about this a special line for teachers, (202) 748-8000. .arents, (202) 748-8001 gun owners, (202) 748-8002. pagean post on our twitter and facebook. two officials talking about these issues. here is some of what is being proposed.

that is some of what is laid out in "the wall street journal." it would assist states with training personnel in fire issues. retired workers would be offered to work as school safety personnel. other issues would allow the

removal of firearms from those deemed to be a threat. it would ban bump stocks and talk about the commission to study age restrictions for gun purchases, among other things. we will tell you what is in this plan and show you some of the folks talking about it from the administration. we want to hear from you on these first proposals from the white house. parents, (202) 748-8001. gun owners, (202) 748-8002. .ll others, (202) 748-8003 teachers can call us that teachers, (202) 748-8000. one of the ideas floated abc this, appearing on week, talking about the elements. [video clip] be legislative.

some will be administrative. some will be recommendations for states to study this issue and policyditional recommendations. it will be consistent with what the president has talked about. >> i was in the room when he was negotiating. to buyrs raising the age assault weapons to 21 and favors universal background checks. are those provisions part of this? backgroundg the checks is going to be part of it. >> you did not say improving. you said universal. to make sure the flow of information that goes into the background check system from local and state courts is more up aided -- more updated. >> and universal?

>> improving the check system. >> that is different than what he said. there is going to be recommendations to state, a tax force. will be a component of it, raising the age, as well as mental health. to go to help states and schools improve security. is that number right? >> there is a provision the president is talking about. i don't want to get ahead of the specifics. there will be a component around getting individuals who are trained professionals into schools. are some proposals being floated by the white house. we will hear from betsy devos in a bit. if you want to comments on what

you think about these proposals, the numbers are on the screen. teachers,lie for parents, gun owners, and all others. we will start with riley, a teacher in germantown, maryland. caller: good morning. i am a teacher, on my way to school now. this disturbing, the idea of arming teachers is insane. would beers i know who willing to have a gun are the exact people you would not want armed around children. host: what do you mean by that? not -- i mean,e justers, adults, you are as likely to have a flawed adults who is a teacher, who should not be armed around

children. i would not want anyone armed around children, except maybe law enforcement. host: what about hardening schools with volunteers on campus, former military or -- a veteran, perhaps. would you support that? caller: there are a lot of people who are former military who have done crazy things. is fewer guns. americans agree people should not be buying guns if they have mental health issues. americans agree young people do not need ar-15's, probably no one needs ar-15's. host: let's go to tanisha. she is from seattle, a parent. send 18-year-old kids to war, give them guns, we teach

them how to kill. --n they come back, we say we don't want you to do this and that, but we are putting guns in your hands at the age of 18 and teaching you how to kill. i am scared for myself and my kids. turns into a military state -- we have had tanks and military police officers, it is scary. how do we protect ourselves from that? schools,n it comes to is there anything you like about the proposal, or no? caller: i don't like it at all. to put a gun in a teacher's hand, it is not above a teacher to get upset and to use that weapon against a child or vice versa. who is to say? host: maryland, we will hear

from germane. he is a teacher. caller: this is crazy. you want to limit gun violence with more guns. we have resource officers and .ur schools there are other alternatives. you can make the schools more safe by using security measures, in terms of locking doors, metal detectors, something of that sort. putting guns in school is dangerous. it only takes one person neglecting their duty or doing something in which a student has access to a gun and accidentally shoots themselves, or shoots someone else. what is next after that? you: the security measures talked about, do they exist at your school? metals of don't have

directors, but we have resource officers who patrol the area around the school to make sure students -- they like to skip school and walked to the store and things of that sort, to make sure they are not doing things in the community that are dangerous, to make sure they get back to school campus. host: those resource officers, are they armed? caller: they are. host: when it comes to the idea -- do you think the school and would they spend money for those kind of security measures, the county, the state, do you think that might happen? caller: i think so. you make enough noise, people listen. at this point, everyone is listening to options in terms of safety in schools. of billy be some sort or legislation that could pass

in maryland, that could secure the schools more. it is one kid doing these things that is harming many other kids. host: we will leave it there. teachers, (202) 748-8000. parents, (202) 748-8001. gun owners, (202) 748-8002. others, (202) 748-8003. in's go to a teacher oklahoma city. joe, go ahead. morning, pedro. thank you for having me. there are a couple of things everyone needs to realize. [indiscernible] kill humans in a

battlefield situation. though should not be found in our stores. the kids killed in newtown, that kid got hold of his mom's ar-15. just because we are moving the age to 21 will not save lives if they can take their parent's ar-15. that gun needs to be banned. ar 15 to defend their home or go hunting. the 21-year-old age requirement is not part of the things discussed yesterday. morning saysthis the white house retreating from that requirement, even though the commission will look at the age limit requirements. maybe that is something you want to comment on, or some other

aspect of this. the wall street journal highlights some initial proposals on gun violence. we will show that to you as we go throughout the morning. congress is working on its own proposal, that is to be voted on wednesday. we will talk about that. those are some elements we will show you as we take calls. , aistine, jamaica, new york parent, you are next, go ahead. guns being in schools, having guns in schools, i have grandchildren in school. the schools are very good. you can always find somebody that is not going to be up to par or might have a problem. why don't they have something where these kids can talk to a teacher or someone where they can have an outlet? they do not have this in school.

kill ourthey want to kids in school the same way they want to kill our kids on the street. isblack neighborhoods, that what they do. they kill our kids. host: would you support more armed security at schools? i would have been going through metal detectors. they can have them at every door. host: that is the suggestion carol has on twitter. why not have metal detectors? another says congress needs to end its gun free zone status. from massachusetts, on our line for others, we hear from sandra. my father died by a gun in the service. friend died loading and

unloading a gun. i have thought it out. the safest way, because you have crazy people all over the place who do not think rationally, they are not being treated right, why can't we have stun guns in the rooms, or one of those robotic airplanes that fly around, so no one gets harmed other than the plane or the device you have in your hand. that would save a lot of lives, take care of the problem of dying, and take care of the children. this is one way of being safe. suicides, addressed homicides, or anything else. it is never addressed because they take the mental part of it and treat it and they are not doing it.

we have a society full of crazy people. host: susan, hartsdale new york. the issue is the amount of guns. 97% of the country favors universal background checks. we are letting 5 million people in the nra dictate to the rest of us. it is ridiculous we are not addressing the issue. chief, he was saying universal background checks, raising the age from 18 to 21, and now he has flipped back on that, which is no surprise. other look at any country, every other country must have mental health problems. i do not think we have more than

others, but they have tighter gun controls. i am not favoring taking people's guns away, but congress, the country, the government needs to listen to what the majority of people are saying. stephanie, centreville, virginia. this is a parents. good morning. i am concerned about the fact that over 40% of american households have guns and if we for gunshing legislation without thinking through whether or not it will have a positive affect, we are going to ostracize 40 plus percent of households who are law-abiding gun owners. to what effect? would universal background checks stopped any of these mass shootings we have had? have --u are saying we

it may have a negative effect on those who own guns already? caller: right. i don't think anyone needs and ar-15, but there are people who have them and enjoy them. it is fun to blow stuff up. if you are going to be safe about it and i say you cannot have it because someone else did something wrong with it, i can see how it will get them to dig in their heels. what about training teachers in the use of a gun? i am not thrilled about that. the more guns around, the more likely there will be an accident with them. people who are not highly trained are not that safe. the end of theby week, the white house will

retreat from most of its proposals. , if possible, home school your child. you read the constitution, it is up to the states, not the federal governments. one size does not fit all. those go -- those ideas are -- those ideas are on our twitter feed. dave with a story looking at some of the work of the commission that is part of this proposal, looking at school violence, saying the president is calling on congress to improvinggislation, background checks, and grants to help states prevent school violence as part of a plan. trump will encourage risk protection orders that allow police to remove guns from people who are deemed threats to

themselves, but have raised concerns about due process rights. the agepports raising limit from 18 to 21, but it is not part of his proposal. devos, as part of a interview, was asked about her role in this process in this commission. here is some of that. [video clip] should be an option for states and communities to consider. of my firsto think grade teacher, i could not imagine her having a gun and being trained that way, but for those who are capable, this is one solution that can and should be considered. every state and community will address this issue in a different way. a do you see yourself ias

leader in this subject and what ideas will you be promoting? asked to head a task force that will look at what states are doing. a lot of states are addressing these issues in cohesive and coherent ways. >> do you feel a sense of urgency? >> yes. >> it sounds like talking. >> no, there is a sense of urgency. host: jimmy, a gun owner in california. my question is -- how come you do not have the manufacturers and the sellers of appearances on c-span? and the other media. host: what would it provide, do you think? caller: insight of what is going

on. host: we have had those associations on before. we did an interview at a gun shop before. you can see that on c-span. to this proposal about the white house, what do you think about it? .aller: i think it is poor it does not make any sense. why do we want to put more guns with teachers? law andjust passed a made it 21. i guess the white house wants to make it 16, or something. i am not sure. about 21, butked they stepped back from that. the proposal,of there is nothing you agree with, even the hardening of the schools, more security officers at school?

caller: the reason i called, i want to know why the gun manufacturers and the gun sellers do not make appearances to put their position in front of the public. that point.de they have been on this program before discussing those issues. let's hear from jack, manassas, virginia, line for others. stephanieappreciate understanding certain things will alienate gun owners. that is a point i had not heard enough in this debate. i am former military. my wife is a teacher. i am a firearms owner, but i do not support arming teachers. of mast -- the vast majority them do not want to be armed. expansion of the

school resource officer program. that does a lot of good. act betterth kids to because they develop a rp with with-- develop a repoire what is going on inside the building, to remind them to act appropriately. arming see administrators possibly. if you only arm teachers, they are stuck in the classroom and it is harder to secure the weapon and keep it out of the hands of students. administrators have the ability to roam the halls, that will to defend better way against someone trying to inappropriately access the building. the teacher is not going to see that. the potential shooter is already in the classroom by the time you see it. is next, and washington, d.c., on our line for teachers. for taking myyou

call. this is ridiculous. it is a band-aid. we are focusing only in schools. we say this is alienating the rights of responsible gun most of these mass shootings, before they committed a crime, were law-abiding citizens. do you know what i am saying? the answer here is not more guns. it is less guns. citizens andbiding responsible gun owners have to lose with universal background checks? by treating the weapons as you would treat a car. what do you have to lose? by submitting to temporary

evaluationsdeeper -- what do they have to lose? host: when it comes to school safety, if you are not for the arming of teachers, what should be done at the schools to make them safer? have resource officers, metal detectors, may be. the thing is, we should address this issue beyond schools. most mass shootings are not happening in schools, anyway. the guy who shot up the theater, -- was he was mad about a law-abiding citizen before that. the mental health issues are important, but the issue here is the easy access to weapons by anyone. sean, at's hear from

gun owner in baltimore, maryland. i want to say, i am a gun owner and police officer. , toolice department qualify, you have to shoot at least 76%. officers, survey with thatng that in a shooting, police officer, who shoots 100% in the range goes down 30%, in the 70's. teachers are under a lot of stress teaching and they have a lot on their minds. putting a gun in their hands is too much for them. they will have to qualify yearly like a police officer.

think trump ori his allies are saying that maybe they can hire armed security who are previously law enforcement or prior military. that would be a good idea. take a step further, i would look for law enforcement that has been in a shooting before have been in a shooting. .t is not like tv it is different. when someone pulls a gun on you, you go into a different reality. different. people who have been in a shooting will know how to react. keep the guns out of teachers' .ands higher prior law enforcement or military to do the enforcements around the school. host: that is sean.

the house voting on a package of gun related safety issues when it comes to schools on wednesday. we have heard from gun owners and teachers, parents and others about these proposals. we will continue this morning. teacher,, teachers, (202) 748-8000. parents, (202) 748-8001. gun owners, (202) 748-8002. .ll others, (202) 748-8003 allowoposal would military veterans and retired police to work and school safety personnel, allow court ordered removal of firearms to those two

are a threat to themselves or others. commission and a they will study age restriction for gun purchases. talked aboutllers the gun law passed in florida. reaction from republicans and democrats. out of tallahassee, ron desantis , a champion of gun rights, he criticized the law, which raises the minimum age to buy rifles from 18 to 21, extends the three-day waiting. -- extends the three-day waiting for handgun purchases to include long guns and bands bump stocks. when you get into some

of the blanket restrictions, you have enumerated right in the bill of rights. there is no precedent to do a blanket ban on certain adults. philip levine said we do not need more guns in our schools. john, you are next up. first things first, this assault weapon term is constantly changing. weeks ago, people were saying ban all semiautomatic weapons, 90% of what is sold and exist in the united states. good luck with that. the second thing is, you have been talking and the nation has been talking about arming teachers. i saw from parkland, there

was a complete lack of action. the police officers and the social worker working with that direct statements he was cutting his arms, talking about planning to buy a gun, he does not say what he wants to do with it. that not go up further? host: when it comes to the specifics the white house laid out this morning, what do you think? caller: they are getting sidetracked as much as anyone else. i don't know if it is on purpose to try to muddle things. i don't think much will happen. the age will not get changed to 21, where i think it should. you say sidetracked, what do you mean by that? they are sidetracking

from what really needs to happen. the state of the nation and the people and the people in it is a state of complacency and in action. that is what happened with the parkland shooting. host: utica, pennsylvania, a gun owner there, richard. a gun owner, you learn you have to be responsible with your gun. i am not good enough to carry it out in public. i have it in my home. teacher, if you are not confident with carrying one, then you should not own one. you should not carry one in public and that is what you learn when you become a concealed carry permit owner. to the proposals laid out by the white house, what do you think? someone feels

confident enough, they should carry. if you do not feel that way, that you are good enough to carry out in public, then you should not. host: a teacher confident enough, you would be const -- you would be comfortable with that? caller: i would. host: tom, go ahead. of the princee william county school board meeting and announced i am offering free firearms safety trading all the way up to virginia concealed carry through my company. i have been an instructor for over 20 years. i have talked to local teachers and every one of them has said -- if they were trained, they want to protect our kids and they will protect our kids if prince william county authorizes them to carry concealed.

teachers, for for them to be visibly known to law enforcement when they would arrive at the scene. i do not think we will ever have a problem if we take away the gun free zone and we armed a few willing volunteers who are trained, instead of spending money on resource officers and metal detectors and bs like that. we need to arm a few trained teachers who the police will be able to recognize on-site and we will not have an active shooter in a school. metal detectors or a school resource officer a bad idea? caller: we should be spending that money on mental health services some of these people need. we will go after the bullying problem, the suicide problem,

any number of problems kids are dealing with today. we should not be talking about gun legislation. we should be talking about mental health legislation. host: the trump is floating these proposals. what do you think? they are on the right track, when they were talking about raising begun age, i have friends who are military. it is ludicrous to think an 18-year-old kid who conserve his country and die for his country cannot buy a firearm. it is a constitutional right to have a firearm. are ignorant who of firearms talk about gun violence. abouto not know anything firearms. none of them have taken any training. if you ask these people who say

teachers do not want them, ask them which teachers. these teachers want to protect our kids. host: reason magazine took a look at states amending their .un laws illinois leading the pack, pushing stricter firearms legislation there. preventll 1467 would bump stocks. prohibitl 1469 would magazines that hold more than 10 rounds in washington state. moving on toband, senate bill 6620, prohibiting anyone from 21 owning -- something state law already does. innsylvania legislators are

the early stages of pushing gun control legislation, the state senator is soliciting cosponsors for an assault weapons ban that will go beyond what washington and illinois have proposed. our line for others, louisville, kentucky, lisa, go ahead. the proposals from the white house are more a -- whatever they decide they want to do. there will be some places where no teachers will carry a gun. they should not have to do it and they will not do it. i do not blame them. that will be some places do, and that is the problem. i am disappointed trump decided drop the comprehensive

background checks at gun shows and i also believe we need a police officer in our schools. seeing anre used to officer with a gun. they know they are authority. if they are trained right and engaged if a shooter comes in, that is a good way to go. a onea lock system, entrance after school begins, lock the schools up and you have to go to the office to get out, or they have a device to open the doors themselves. parent in winter haven, florida. bruce is next. caller: i am a vietnam vet. the way i feel about it, these teachers have a hard enough time teaching children. with the resource national guard and the reserves

tot you can bring people in help guard the schools. it is easy to be trained on a gun, but it is not that easy to pull the trigger when you have to. need somebody more than a teacher involved with these types of situations. people wouldthink be comfortable with the national guard present on school grounds? caller: if you are only bringing in one or 2, 1 for every thousand students, it is not that they have to be in full army gear, they could be in civilian clothes, but you need the training. you can train somebody how to operate a gun and shoot straight, but it takes more to pull the trigger when you are aiming at somebody and you're going to kill them. bruce in winter

haven, he is a parents. havef several lines we four the conversation about reducing gun violence at schools. cnn highlighting the proposed walkout scheduled to take place on wednesday at 10:00. it is supposed to last for 17 minutes to honor the lives of those killed at stoneman douglas. open to american students, teachers, and staff, but it is the main national people touraging participate. more than 2500 walkouts are planned. step-by-stepa a walkout,rganizing sample letters to request to participate, and an explanation

of student rights. they ask anyone not affiliated with the school to stay away from the walkout. otherwise, people should wear orange or walk out of their workplaces for 17 minutes. there has been some reaction, saying some schools have for bid and participation, others are trying to strike a balance. -- oneool in nevada school county in nevada is do otherudents to activities, such as tying ribbons on a fence or having a moment of silence. it is an attempt to do something in the right way. i agree with a couple of the

people who have called. as far as the right to bear arms. therein objective, when is a shooter, is to stop the shooter, any kind of preparation , just like this recent shooting, can fall apart. people who are motivated to protect the kids and schools should be in the school. , counties and cities and school districts should get together and do this. walkout, if they would take everybody and walk them to the ranges that are available to learn about firearms would be good for every one of them. go to ahe teachers can range and be instructed.

there are great instructors in this country. they can learn and become familiar with a firearm. any teachers or administrators or custodians, or anyone in the school who was going to have a concealed carry right should use them. ranges, there are a lot of shooting sports. mike in california giving his thoughts. a couple of stories to show you. this looking at the special election in pennsylvania, what it means for republicans and trump. saying from the hill, the president and the gop are paying -- are playing for high stakes. a loss in the district that the president carried would amplify republican anxiety about the midterm elections and the damage the president's low approval

ratings are doing to the party. the fact of the race is close is an ominous sign. trump, it would be bad news if the republican wins the race and terrible news if the democrat wins. race -- st of the nbc news reporting on friday that tv and radio advertising will amount to nearly $12 million. the report stated republicans had outspent democrats on the airwaves by $7.3 million to $4.4 million. john, maryland, a gun owner. caller: how're you doing? host: fine, thank you. caller: i am a vietnam that and

a gun owner. is a viablecher alternative. if the coach in florida had a gun, maybe there would not have been as many deaths. everybody and florida turned a blind eye and did not do what they should have done. you raise the age to 21, you have to raise the voting age to 21. if you are not responsible enough to own a gun, you are not responsible enough to vote. you have to raise the military age to 21.

i have owned guns since i was 14. i am 72. i have never threatened anyone with a gun, i have no intention to threaten anyone with a gun. i served in vietnam. i fortunately never had to use my weapon to shoot at anybody. if you ever have to be in that youation, the only thing have is to rely on the training you have been given. teacher is going to want to do this. those that do, let them do that. hear from a parent, richard, sparta, new jersey. caller: there are millions of people who own guns.

millions of people are mentally ill. we need to go for the people who are mentally ill who own automatic weapons. a mentalo have screening for anybody who has an automatic weapon. we start with wayne lopp pierre -- wayne lapierre. gun collectors would be upset about if we banned them, but what about the people upset potentiallychildren getting killed. let's listen to them instead. with the white house issue, what do you think about that? seriously, we don't want mentally ill people holding these guns. let's go after them. the white house proposals

would help train teachers and school personnel and final -- in firearms use. i don't think much about those proposals. think about the other shootings where people got killed. they don't mention those. we are talking about schools. what is the best way to prevent these incidents? bestdo you think about the way of making school safer? look, you can have an officer there. that makes a lot of sense. we still have a big problem of with mass shootings in this country beyond the schools. the second amendment says you can bear arms. it does not mention gun period. go to steve, a gun

owner in south carolina. caller: the president's proposals are spot on. they are balanced, thoughtful, the media yield to calling for the ban of ar-15's. remind your to viewers we tried this from 1994 to 2004. ata said it did not make difference at all. why are we discussing re-instituting a failure. arming teachers, this is the most important part of the proposal. the manhattan island media and cnn have always pointed the finger at the weapon and never occurned these massacres in gun free zones, whether it be

schools, nightclubs, malls, wherever. there is only one that did not occur in a gun-free zone. i like the fact the president is shifting the discussion away from the m&f -- the inanimate object, the gun, to the root of the problem, the failed policy teachers -- of disarming teachers in schools and setting them and their students up to be slaughtered. are proven failures time again. they invite these massacres to occur. teachers whove volunteer, who are willing to receive training, prove they are competent, to have something other than a pencil in her hand to defend themselves and their students if there is another school shooting. the next school shooting, we

should consider it may be an isis terrorist team, rather than a deranged teenager. hear from bob in texas, he is a parent. i agree with the last caller, but i would like to ask your audience to consider the , betsy of the discussion devos has been and is vilified about talking about these issues local as wellre as federal. the community is important. a lot of the debate and discussion is focused about not i am sorry, arming school people and people are up in arms about having school officials take up concealed weapons as long as they are trained. just announced by build

the blog seo of taking -- of taking armed of officials out of school. that is a radical departure of what would need to be done to protect schools. he is very liberal, but that is his view for the local community. there is such a breadth of discussion here. people need to agree it is a local issue or that it is federal and it has to be done at the federal level. mason saystwitter, it is not a wise idea to increase the number of guns because it increases the likelihood of gun violence. it leads to more devastation and blood spilled. armed guards were at schools that had mass shootings and no change.

says we are wasting a lot of time solving nothing. to our phone lines, chris is in new york on our line for others. good morning. would like to, the guy from virginia was right on as far as getting to the root problem, the root problem being or violence occurs overall. in this particular instance, violence of the student stems from students being troubled or stressed. addressing those issues, but overall, violence comes from retaliation, revenge, a sense of of humiliation.

that is where violence comes from. it is not the guns. it is the psychology of the people and your society. revenge, sense of which,ce, humiliation, between the internet and social networks, a lot of these teenagers are on there and they go out and they bully or demean other students. in that case, they get a sense humiliation or they retaliate, hence you get violence. york,that is chris in calling in on the idea of the proposals from the white house on reducing gun violence. the washington post has a trump, of ivanka

featuring a picture of her with her husband, jared kushner. she argues every issue she has championed is a policy her father has campaigned on. is somethingeave the president mentioned on the campaign trail and both addresses to congress. last year, she invited female senators for a personal huddle on the issue. she had a couple of staffers, but she ran the discussion. susan collins was impressed with how smart she was and how informed she was. it also talks about tensions between her, her husband, and john kelly. said one of the first things kelly said was you are family, part of the reason the

president is here. he understands the role of family and does not want to get in the way of that, but he also needs to make sure that in our role as advisors, we go through the process and respect that. ivanka has reached out to lawmakers from both parties, visiting them in their offices and hosting private salons at her home. say she has been more diligent about coordinating with the white house office of legislative affairs and other teams. that is in "the washington trump. sam, ivanka fairfax, virginia, our line for others. if i ami do not know calling in [indiscernible] i don't understand that.

gun is not like riding a bicycle. take a training class and expect to be profession --proficient at it. it takes a long time to be proficient firing a handgun or a rifle. , theren, on top of that is really no way to prepare for the threat of an active shooter situation without actually going through it. i am sure there is a small number of teachers who are buticient handgun owners, we are talking maybe one out of 1000 teachers. host: ok.

we will leave it there, because your signal is breaking up a bit. from georgia, a teacher, mohammed. i am a teacher in four 100 schools -- i am totally opposed to having teachers armed with weapons. for one, when you were in elementary or high school, we were preoccupied so much with trying to make sure that we made our grades that we did not need another thing in our psychology -- whether there may be another massacre on our campus. schools are there for people to learn. the environment should be made safe. those who are elected to represent us should make sure these schools are safe zones, period.

and not continue to arm them with guns so the nra and gun manufacturers can claim victory. -- he will be adding another you will be adding another tier -- for example, suppose a vietnam veteran who becomes a teacher snaps. suppose there is teacher violence. you are just opening up a home -- whole new can of worms. host: that was mohammed, a teacher, and others giving us the whiteghts on house and their thoughts on gun violence. from thes stemming white house and congress we will be discussing with our next guests, a roundtable featuring

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public service by america's television companies. today, we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. " continues.journal host: joining us for a roundtable discussion of a lot of topics, two guests. we are joined by the politics editor for the "washington times" stephen dinan, and alexi mccammond, clinical reporter for "axios." -- political reporter for "axios ." -- guest: what the white house wants is to begin this debate and the scene as proactive, to some extent, while not crossing too many republican allies on

capitol hill. what happens from here is a good question. this should at least produce some action at some point in the future of capitol hill, now that the president has said these are at least the starting points. but other than a quick bill we will see in the house this week, there is not a lot of actual, scheduled action. folks have been waiting to see what the schedule will be. is thatthe actual bill reaches the floor is a good question. what has been most surprised about this debate is the number of bipartisan proposals -- 5, 6, 7 different bipartisan reposes senatorarticularly from rubio and senator nelson from florida signing onto two of them. the question is, do folks try to gun bill orle, big

tried to move those individually? do they put one bill on the floor and let it get amended, similar to what was supposed to happen for immigration. host: what do you think we may see as far eyes it being received by those on capitol hill? guest: we have re: seen chuck schumer is not happy with this white house proposal. initiallyse trump supported the age limit, and this bill does not include that. so there is the worry that trump says one thing when cameras are around and that in private, he is changing his mind and thinking about what the nra would be happy or unhappy with. he is worried he is basing their -- there are many bipartisan proposals out there, so it will

be interesting to see, given how many are out there and that democrats will clearly be unhappy -- where will they move forward. of we can expect in terms differing -- defering to the state. asst: the one thing i think, we go forward, it maybe important to think about what is likely to be in the bill. things like stiffening the number of records that get reported to the national back ground check system. that theomething cornyn and murphy built has at least 50 cosponsors, which is the magic number in the senate. it is likely if congress does do anything, it will be likely in whatever comes out of congress. the key battleground area will be the age limit proposal we were talking about and how much

do you expand the universe of people subject to those background checks. that is -- viewers may remember bill aftermanchin sandy hook. that is probably where the real battleground is at this point. the president had suggested support for that in some of these white house meetings. where we probably will not go -- we are probably not going to see something, in the end, on an assault weapons ban. host: ultimately, do you think we will see something? because we have been down this road before in congress after shootings. do you think this will actually have some type of result? guest: we all know congress can be stalled and sometimes does not act unless there is pressure. there is a significant amount of pressure, not only from the nra but from students protesting.

but a bill that passed the house in december -- that is the biggest chance of having something that will pass. it has stalled in the senate so far. it has a lot of bipartisan support. people think it is the one chance to get something passed copperheads of way at the federal level -- again, that is only addressing one issue of the background check system. there are so made proposals being put forward they may feel paralyzed. guest: there are two types of legislation congress does. one is where each side gets something they want or accept something they did not want in the bill. then, the lease, denominator type of legislating, where you do the bare minimum everyone can agree to. right now, we are sort of looking in the grand bargain legislation. there are bills that have broad support, the question is can republicans get concealed carry

representative -- robert -- allowing people in one state to conceal carry in another state. that is something the gop wants. will they get that in exchange for going broader on something like background checks? so we are in a place where lawmakers are looking to see what they get out of the ground bargain. in the end, we may return to these, and denominator and just do the bare minimum we can agree to -- the corollary would be the immigration debate we went through, where we had the daca proposal, and most folks on capitol hill believe there needs to be what -- some sort of permanent solution for dreamers. the question is how much more did republicans want then democrats want? because they were going for the grand bargain and the bargain blew up, we did not even get the

lease, and denominator. it seemed, for a moment, we work looking to get at least a lease, dumb nominator -- a least common denominator bill. host: if you want to ask questions, democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. (202) 748-8002 for independents. you can also post your thoughts on twitter at @cspanwj. atr story today takes a look a trip taken by the president. what will he do? guest: he will go to southern california to look at the border wall prototypes. he basically created a contest for companies to submit plans for new types of border walls. for, basically, a 21st century version. there are, i believe, eight prototypes. they have been tested with breach testing.

team style groups have tried to penetrate these, see if they can climb over them, joel them -- he will visit some them.ust all of -- the main thing is this is an formpt to push his desire more than 700 miles of replacement and new border wall along the border, which is part of what he was looking for in .hat immigration deal maybe more immediately, that will become part of the spending bill congress needs in two weeks. host: steve mentioned it, but daca -- we had a deadline, and go. what is the potential of something being done? the march 5 deadline sort of came and went, and the dreamers under daca are not under threat of deportation anymore.

neil applicant -- new applicants can not apply for daca projections now. congress does not really act unless there is pressure, especially under pressure of a deadline, and now that the march 5 deadline is gone, i do not think there will be any immediate action on daca and immigration. he sees curious, after these prototypes, if he is willing to talk about the issue of border security. maybe not necessarily immigration, but border security. i do not think that will bring the immigration debate back anytime soon. the borderalk about wall -- what about the funding aspect. the president has been asking for money about this and democrats have pushed back. what is the possibility he may receive? isst: the next deadline

march 23, when the spending bill will hopefully be done. one question is whether there will be funding for the border wall in there. there are a number of other immigration funding issues also popping up, such as detention beds. this is the next chance for congress to weigh in on the president's overall immigration enforcement scheme. we are already seeing some resistance from democrats to the number of detention beds, to hold people the government is trying to deport. democrats are already resisting the number republicans are asking for in that bill. that march 23 deadline will be the next fight for this. originally, the president was seeking $1.6 billion for 70-some fencing this new fiscal year. we are already halfway through the fiscal year, and he offered

several different proposals for a complete border wall over 10 years. so what one -- so what congress will try to do, we will have to wait. host: we have calls waiting for you. betty, green bay, you're on with our guests. caller: as far as the gun control laws, nothing will be people thate the are killed -- it seems they are abstract to congress. why don't they show the crime scenes to them? if they saw crime scenes, they may change their mind. that is just my opinion. because nothing will ever be done, because they are getting paid i the nra--. paid by the nra. besides the nra, they are giving

grades by each -- to each congressperson. is this school? this is all about money. host: it is all about money, all about the nra. is thecertainly, that main argument people use against republicans -- tried to tie the amount of money they received from the nra to their stance on gun policy. the interesting thing about viewing the crime scene, the president held a listening session with survivors from the parkland shooting. you saw people on both sides of the aisle commending the president for speaking to the families, the students -- the visibility is there. i do not know if that would be enough to change their minds. there is a lot of political calculus behind this. we are seeing this in the proposal, the difference between what the president said in front

is aneras -- the nra argument, but it is not the only reason. had its ownss has shootings -- gabrielle giffords and then steve scalise. guest: one of the differences has been the activism of the students from the high school in itself. it is sort of fascinating -- another parallel between that and the immigration debate, where the dreamers themselves really pushed the immigration debate on to lawmakers. have begun to do that activism. maybe not exactly the same thing as the crime scene photos, but the students bringing their stories -- directly to lawmakers. it is a wonderful may 4 tv type of story. in the weeks after the shooting, you could not turn on the tv

without seeing another one making demands. so we will see a lot in terms of what actions students are taking , knocking on lawmakers' doors and saying this is my story. host: an event later in march -- so more activism there. let's go to anne in washington, d.c. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. there has been a lot of emotion. i would like to ask -- there has been a lot of emotion about ,ending the daca people away but have the president and congress considered how much it would cost to send it hundred thousand people out of the 800,000 people out of the country and what is the cost of the deficit they leave behind in our culture? have they considered that?

any numbers? actually have done -- there are all sorts of cost estimates out there on this. literally deporting -- having the government go out and apprehend and process and remove every single one of these people , there is a cost estimate out. i do not remember it off the top of my head. there is also a specific cost estimate for how much legalizing them what cost in new government services, tax benefits they are eligible for. may be debate, it is surprising for congress that economics and costs are not part of this debate. they are part of so many other debates, but this is really an argument based on law and order and nation of immigrants, those arguments clashing, and moral arguments over what we owe to illegal immigrants, most of

which came as children, for basically having grown up americans in anything but name. there are cost estimates, but the battleground on capitol hill has been far more those ideological issues. host: one of those, the justice department versus the state of california about sanctuary cities. what do you think that does for the debate? guest: jeff sessions has been pushing forward this idea of century cities since he took office. going to california changes that in terms of it will reinforce his argument. that will place these multiple issues happening on immigration. they can sort of confused people on what is going on. like you were saying, the march 23 deadline, that will be critical for us to look at, because last time democrats were promised a vote on the floor on daca.

they brought multiple, bipartisan proposals. they were all shot down. so we should look to see whether or not they were so upset about these century cities, the lawsuit happening, or trump not acting on daca to either shut down the government or demand action on this spending bill. host: what is "axios"? guest: "axios" is a wonderful new website. you can find us at axios.com. we have multiple daily newsletters. host: stephen dinan with the "washington times." he is their politics editor. what are you working on? guest: lots of immigration coverage. obviously, the president has last 14ryone busy the months. it has been an interesting time. host: bill in oregon, democrat line. caller: yes, this is bill from

oregon. my comments are what the president is suggesting, giving weapons to the teachers or training them, does not take into account that automatic weapons brought in by an attacker -- the pistol that the teacher would be packing or trained in would not be able to compete. with an automatic weapon in a firefight. the other suggestion is maybe the schools could be designed with a safe room, a room that is armored enough to protect the occupants inside, with an outside phone line. if there's going to be teachers with guns, maybe they'd be a peephole where can look out and not get shot that kid i think the president's

comments does not have much life experience in it. a bad suggestion. of a safe room is interesting. i do not know if i have heard that so far. but i agree on this idea of a fire on fire fight. that is a popular argument. stopping a guy with a gun is just on by arming more people -- this idea of arming teachers is very controversial, especially among lobby organizations that include many teachers and school employees. this white house proposal suggests it is on a volunteer basis and they will provide training, so if they are going to do it, that is a step in the right direction -- providing training and doing it for people who only want to volunteer in that role. but again, we saw enforcement officials at these golden the parkland shooting did not necessarily stepped in and take action even though they were armed. i do not know if these

teachers would become double stepping in even if they were arms. host: are these proposals just to give states voluntary coverage of what they would like or would this be a mandate from washington? guest: not a mandate. basically a boost for those looking for districts and states looking to do this. the bill that is on the house for this week is about offering money to states and school districts to do risk and safety assessments to figure out their vulnerabilities to all sorts of safety risks, particularly shooting risks, and go from there. i think the bill is on the suspension calendar, which is a fast track calendar for the house, which tells you how much bipartisan support there is for that sort of option of getting -- giving more money to push the

states and localities to do their own evaluations of their vulnerability. host: the stop school violence act, to be voted on wednesday. let's go to cleveland, tennessee, republican line. byron. caller: good morning. some of these sporting goods stores should step up and theide a safe to put in schools like that and have a couple of ar-15 style weapons in there, plus have some handguns in their also, and train those teachers. theave a club in cleveland, clue when hunting and rifle pistol club, and they do a lot of training. they have certified instructors to train. i am sure they would be happy to train the teachers. people do not realize is these teachers are targets also, so

they can step up and be in the middle of it and not realize it. one of your callers called in about automatic weapons -- automatic weapons are banned anyway. rifles are style semiautomatic, just like pistols. people need to be aware of that. -- buying a gun at 21 -- guest: many republicans are opposed to that on capitol hill. there are some who have come out -- particularly marco rubio -- two came out in support of the increase from 18 to 21, but there are a number of republicans on capitol hill who have expressed opposition to that. the increased from 18 to 21 was part of the bill that governor

scott signed in florida, and filed hours, the nra had a lawsuit -- actually, bump stocks are also banned, the aftermarket out on that essentially makes a semi automatic rifle and automatic rifle. the age limit was increased and bump stocks were banned in florida. the nra sued over the age limit but not over the bump stocks. i would have expected the exact opposite. the point being the nra has made its opposition to the age limit increased known, as have a republicansportant on capitol hill. host: to change topics a bit, a special election scheduled for tuesday. set this up for us. what is the deal and one of the state's best steaks -- stakes?

in pennsylvania, a reliably republican district, but it is an accrued -- extremely close race between democrat conor lamb and republican rick saccone. i was talking to a national republican operative the other day, and this worry about the election is real. they consider the republican to be a lackluster candidate and would go so far to say the democrat is a good candidate. he is running on this republican-lite platform. he is a moderate, a former federal prosecutor. he personally opposes abortion. he is appealing to moderates, and has gone so far as to distance himself from washington democrats. the narrative so far is it is more of a referendum on donald trump than anything else.

i think republicans are worried republicane this seat, what will it mean for the midterm elections? host: if it is a referendum on the trump administration, what are they doing to shore their bets? guest: this weekend, they sent in the president to make it clear that he sees it as a referendum on his administration. i was surprised how willing he was to embrace that and say "you are my people. specialour or five elections last year, special house elections. though some of the races were tighter than we thought, republicans managed to hold all of those republican seats. we are on at said winning streak. in fact, republicans have done pretty bad in elections. they lost the alabama special election for a senate seat.

they lost what appears to be a historic number of state house special elections. the one area they have not suffered defeat is u.s. house special elections. there is a lot riding on if they lose that. if they lose that, they will have lost every single level of the. host: electorate battlegroundhost: let's hear the sales pitch from the president. [video clip] >> our new slogan when we start running in -- can you believe it? two years from now? is going to be "keep america great!" exclamation point. "keep america great!" but we can only do that if we elect people who are going to back oru agenda -- our agenda

and fight for our values. and that is why we have to defeat nancy pelosi -- [boos] and maxine waters, a very low iq individual. you ever see her? you ever seen her? we will impeach him, impeach the president" -- but he has not done anything wrong. "it does not matter, we will impeach him." she is a low iq individual. but you have maxine waters, and you have plenty of others. i mean, nancy pelosi -- you cannot have that. the sham. -- lamb he's trying to act like a republican.

look, i do not know him. i hear he is a nice guy. i hear he is good looking -- i think i am better looking. and he is slightly younger than me. he is ok. he is all right. personally, i like rick saccone. i think he's handsome. [cheers] and you did a great job on television today. that was a great interview. he's really good. mccammond -- lead up, and at the very end, talk about the district. guest: he spent the majority of his speech not talking about rick saccone. ,axios" reported last night after speaking to four officials, that trump is privately trashing rick saccone.

he doesn't think he's good. that is reflected in the fact that he spent the majority of the time talking about himself. no one can truly believe he was there to stop for rick saccone. and how much will that affect voters enthusiasm to vote forrick saccone? if i were a republican voter in that district, i would have left that rally going great, i love trump, who is saccone? guest: there is an interesting battle shaping up in this district. several papers have written about it, including mine, about the unions and the power of unions. this is trump country. these are the working class union members who delivered pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan, which is one of the reasons why these special

elections -- this is the exact battleground where trump won the presidency, flipping rust belt states. the president is making this page to those folks -- pitch to those folks. ter whoome -- doesn't mat is in the race. the democrats talk a good game. do not believe him. you are going out to vote for me or against me. my the same token, the unions are saying -- they are trying to say this is not about donald trump. the unions are an interesting balancing act, where they are downplaying the president in this race. saying this really is about the two candidates in the race, and the democrat better matches this district it we will see has the better megaphone come tomorrow. host: what is the spending like in this race? guest: astronomical.

outside groups have definitely gotten into it. and in terms of the actual specific campaign, the democrat has done far better. host: what is the polling like in this race? guest: very tight. i will say something about funding. has had $10 million spent in media at for him. not even from his own campaign. from outside groups. and conor lamb has spent around $4 million. that is a big discrepancy. that reflects republican worries they could lose this race. to donald trump's point about conor lamb pretending to be republican --conor lamb represents this moderate democrat that could actually be the key to getting things done in congress. the very far left, progressive democrats will not work with the other side nearly as willingly as moderate democrats like conor lamb will.

that is just a campaign talking point on trump's part, but pulling back on that, he is someone who could work across the aisles. host: blacksburg, virginia, tracy is next. caller: i am a teacher. my one comment about arming -- i think it is ridiculous speed we have so much responsibility taking care of the kids, and on top of it, they are going to ask us to be sharpshooters? it is above and beyond what is possible. my other point is the arguments that more weapons will make us safer from weapons -- i think it is ridiculous. we have a president who is nothing but a reality tv star, and i did not think we will get any good legislation from him that makes any sort of sense, because he does not really care about these things. we also have a secretary of education who is in charge of public schools and does not

understand public education, has never been in public schools, was worn very wealthy. i watched her "60 minutes" interview -- he says so many words but says nothing. to how no clue as important public education is for our nation. get kids ask is to so many things, and she is trying to take that away. host: the idea that betsy devos will be heading this commission -- and what she brings as far as her ability to do that. that sheere is concern is not necessarily prepared to lead this commission. first of all, this commission is unprecedented. the "60 minutes" interview was timely and has people riled up. the interesting thing is trump at this rally slammed the idea of having a commission to deal with the opioid crisis and said that is not adequate.

but why is that adequate in solving gun control? people are clearly worried about betsy devos meeting that, and she will really have to talk about her plans and specifics to quell that fear. host: it is not the first commission to study a problem -- guest: this is the year of commissions. the budget deal to get us past the original government shutdown created to commissions, one to study the pension issue and want to study the budget process on capitol hill. a lot of commissions to study a lot of things. one thing the teacher caller tensioned -- florida took an interesting tactic on the issue of arming school personnel. the new law gives local superintendents and shares departments the ability to decide -- sheriffs departments the ability to decide on how to go about training and certifies,

but it does not apply to classroom teachers. staff at the other school. florida tried to crack it. they tried to crafted around that issue having their teachers be the one with weapons. host: from maryland, democrat line, jesse. g go ahead -- go ahead. you're on.' caller: one comment. -- host: we will have you turned on your tv and get back to you. larry in ohio. caller: i am a korean war veteran. show on leader for attorney general, which we do not have. why does not the president declared martial law in california?

do you know what martial law is? host: to what affect what it do it on martial law towards what? martialwhen you declare law, you essentially move in the military and take over the state. host: to wellpoint? caller: to get rid of all the illegals there. host: ok. back to immigration -- not the first time the president has gone against california. guest: this is really heating up. if you look into the documents behind the lawsuit, there are -- for lawsuits have declarations, where four high-level trump administration officials filed documents that gave evidence about why the president -- why the justice department is opposing and thinks these california laws are illegal and californiaional, the law essentially being since you are a city laws. in those declarations, you have

the head of the border patrol in san diego listing separate instances where his agents would come across a situation and had to let an illegal immigrant go. one striking one was an agent a traffic over, done stop, concluded the person was clearly intoxicated, called the local police department, said there is no immigration issue here, but this person is clearly they could not respond because this stop again as a sanctuary city issue. so border patrol had to let someone who was drunk go. california of course argued if people do not trust local police, they are not likely to come forward to report crimes, not likely to cooperate all

around, so we think say sure policies make us safer. they are also explicit that they do not just want to keep communities safe, they also want to afford the president -- want to thwart the president's policies. host: alexi mccammond, what do you think the likelihood of california's action will embolden other cities to apply the same mindset? guest: we have seen how chicago has pushed back against the administration, when they have said you cannot do things the way have been doing. after california, cities will feel -- that the administration will feel more emboldened when it comes to dealing with sanctuary cities. the power of protest is something that i think could really work out in this debate as well. in new york, democrat

line. caller: thank you for c-span. not to be too sarcastic, but you have, possibly, stormy daniels to thank for bringing about this meeting between trump and the north korean leader. agreeing to this meeting is trump's way of trying to divert attention away from his relationship with this po rnographic dancer. while you're at it, you can thank the upcoming pennsylvania elections for this tariff on steel. seat, so he is willing to start this trade war. when will the american people stopped being suckered by this man? if you listen to his

pennsylvania rally, he has nothing of substance to say. he is ignorant on the issues. he is on a tv show and is acting for the audience on a reality show. host: ok. that is an -- guest: that is an interesting theory. i think the way trump agreed to meet with kim jong-un was sort of impulsive, and people were surprised how quickly he accepted that. i think stormy daniels can credibly be considered a major distraction to the work the administration is trying to do, especially as new reports, out about michael:. the real issue is how -- about michael cohen. how stormysue is theels will come out with collusion investigation.

i think issues on the korean peninsula have been developing for quite a long period of time. it was just 2, 3 weeks ago when we were paying attention to whether the vice president would end up in some sort of meeting with a member of the korean leader's family. this has come about -- to say it has come about because of a scandal is a stretch. to the other point about tariffs -- if there is one thing the president has been consistent on for decades, it has been for trade and the need for protective policies for america's industries. department laid the groundwork for these tariffs. to say those came about just because of pennsylvania is also a stretch. our politics involved in these decisions? involved inics

these decisions? absolutely. the president has been saying he would go for more protective policies and has now made good on that. host: the president addressed the potential meeting between him and the north korean leader at the rally. [video clip] >> president obama said it was the biggest problem we had. south korea went there. we put it very, very strong sanctions and lots of other things we have been doing. right from the first day i was an office. my south korea came to office, after having gone to north korea, and seeing kim jong-un. it is very positive. [boos] after the meeting, you may do that. but right now, we have to be very nice. let's see what happens. so the south korean top people,

top representatives, they walked out of the white house to a throng of these characters - c-span -- [boos] left north korea. north korea is tough. they are testing nuclear weapons. this should have been handled over the last 30 years. not now. handled.ld have been and everybody will not say it. but that is ok. because that is what we do. we handle things. host: one of the questions is how does this administration prepare for the meeting, particularly those closest to the president who may be skilled at these types of negotiations. guest: normally when the --sident meets with somebody they have a sense for who they are dealing with. that is much tougher in this situation, given the closed nature of the north korean

regime and what we know, what we believe we know, and what we know we do not know about who he will be meeting with. to the president and what he was talking about, the issue with meeting with the north koreans has always been what preconditions and what setting is the meeting. i remember, covering president george w. bush, and the issue for there was a lot of push him to hold unilateral meetings with north korean leadership, and the bush administration's saidno -- administration no. the point is to have other parties there to maintain pressure. president obama actually ran into thousand eight and said i would meet with foreign leaders, who the bush administration refused to meet with. came into office and, to some extent, did that with hugo chavez in venezuela, but did not do that with north korea. it is about having the right

preconditions and the level of multilateral pressure. what trump has done is still unclear exactly what preconditions there are on this meeting. but what he has done is said i am willing to break through that demand that all sides -- the six party talks -- there used to be this group of people you wanted at the table. the president is saying i am willing to have this direct meeting alone. host: what struck me is the tone of the president now. talk about how that goes forward as the administration. prepares for this meeting -- administration prepares for this meeting. guest: it has shifted. timing is really significant did he could potentially be meeting with kim jong-un in may, the same month he will have to decide whether or not to abandon the iran nuclear deal, which he has said he opposes time and again.

north korea will certainly be watching his actions on that. that could alter the meeting as well, leaving his administration scrambling. host: from north carolina, republican line. carol is next. caller: i know that being over 70 may not be surprising to have some good ideas, but if you just think about this gun thing, what they need to do is they need to go and get all of the people that are making these horrible movies and shut down their operations and find them -- fine them if they try to make these gun shooting movies. movies when ie putgrowing up, they did not

these movies on tv, and the news people were not allowed to live. trump -- all he's doing is reacting according to the person he is dealing with. as a mother, if your child comes home and tells you about some bully beating him up, you do not tell him to go back out there and be some kind of went -- wimp. want him to be a bigger bully than the bully he is dealing with. alexi mccammond. guest: i mean, westerns have existed for a long time. also, the internet exists. if you want to watch a violent involving shooting, you can do that. i do not think there is a direct correlation, between even if videogames or violent movies that are action-packed and have

gun scenes. there are a lot of other working theories that go behind people who decide to shoot up a school -- mental health is one that the president is clearly working on, but i do not think finding the -- fining movie companies will do anything. host: and manufacturers are a larger part of this topic. guest: the caller goes into a social issues that may be influencing shootings. there is not a lot of great literature or research that ,raws a direct connection though there is certainly a number of people out there, like the caller, from their own anecdote and logical approach to the issue, draw that connection. ist maybe most interesting how everyone has an idea on how to solve this. it will be interesting to see congress surf through those ideas. the fact that everyone has an idea it shows how interested

they are and something happening, but the ideas are all over the place, from what we from callersday alone, like getting consensus on capitol hill will not be easy. host: naples, florida. caller: thanks for taking my call. after watching some of that rally in pennsylvania, what bothers me most is how people can dress their people -- children up and put them in line . there used to be a thing called "dirty politics." .his guy has met all over him he is so dirty. it is not even funny anymore. we used to have anything against organized crime, because we were worried about organized crime taking over. that is why we keep our guns, for people who do not know what the second amendment is really all about. i listened to the caller who

said he was a veteran, and he wants to take over a state? which side was he fighting on anyway? host: so the idea that the president has changed the nature of politics, thoughts on that? guest: he has clearly changed it. he speaks his mind. you saw that in the rally. that is one small example of how any sort of president -- pr ecedent he goes to the wayside, because he thinks he is changing the idea of being presidential. he said it himself, if i come out here like a stiff, you would not be excited. everyone under his administration scrambling to figure out how to conduct themselves going forward. we see that manifest itself in a record number of republican retirements of the sierra. that shows how difficult it is to be a republican lawmaker

under a trump. host: one thing that -- guest: one thing that gets lost as we are getting a better look then we have ever had in history, the president allow people to watch an hour-long discussion with lawmakers over guns. did with thele he surviving members of families on gun violence. we know more about what this president thinks, certainly in modern history and i am certain dating back to the beginning -- there is some good and bad in that. it is worth remembering that we asked for transparency, and we are getting it. host: how do you think he has changed in governing? guest: a really good question -- probably a lot of different

answers. veryrally, that is a comfortable, self-assured president at that rally. not that this guy has ever had a deficit in the area of self-confidence, but that is a guy who believes he is getting control of his governing. your viewers may have a different view, but that is a guy who believes, with a tax cut will, believes he has found his footing, has accomplishments he can point to. i was not sure whether he would run for a second term going into ,his, back at here or go thinking he may do one term and get stuff done and get out of here. that is a guy who is clearly gearing up and believes he deserves a second term. guest: after the tax bill passed, he had more confidence moving forward. that was a major legislative win for him. once he was afforded that, we have seen this almost shift in

the rally and behavior where he is more comfortable. he continues to be more and more himself and rebuke the idea of being presidential and is not shy about that. the interesting thing is seeing what he says in public versus what he ultimately decides. which is what he wants, or the people around him he really trusts wants. over the last year, he has seen washington insiders that he is not comfortable around. he is more comfortable around new york realtors that he grew up around. in his him, ivanka, and maybe jared. republican line, california, glenn. caller: i would like to talk about our governor and attorney general being a traitor. you guys should be coining the

phrase "foreign-born invaders." alien"? an "illegal you pushed this term for years. the last election, you had foreign born invaders attacking citizens, literally de-clothing them in the streets of san jose and other cities in california. enforcement was watching it happen. it's all over every city and town. they're traitors to our country, and they needed to be put in jail. host: the administration's efforts against california will

be a long going thing. i want to ask you, what is left when it comes to this agenda? particularly in congress. we have a lot of issues left in congress. what is the timetable for the rest of the year? guest: the president has been a -- a long-standing goal of his is infrastructure. there is a reason we have not talked about it. i cannot see it going far on capitol hill. house republicans say they will move some individual hills. -- bills. they will not move a broad donald trump style package. they will move individual bills. we will see if that adds up to any ring like the president is talking about to the president's plan has not found favor with either party. many republicans say why are we getting involved in this, this is too much spending. democrats say there is not enough government spending, and more is needed.

the president finds himself in the middle, and this is an issue that will probably fade. guest: i know the white house recently met with members of a new democrat coalition, moderate house democrats, to talk about infrastructure. my understanding is they sent the house a list of questions that they want answered before they are willing to work together. signaling they are willing to work together. they have interests that align with the president's, but so far, it has taken a back burner position. host: alexi mccammond is a political reporter for "axios." stephen dinan, clinical editor -- the "washington times political editor for the "washington times." coming up, our your money segment. todd harrison will talk about the preparations for the pentagon's first ever audit. ♪

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way so so kite pass according to modern audit standards and not original requirement. you know? the 40-50's and financialt of the systems the department of defense has and is trying to they were rooted inner are a where they were not trying to be able to pass an and society has been a long torturous process of trying systems and try to basically reinvent the processes, the financial processes normassive dod hastion and our about 2.4 trillion in seatses ap a massive organization if you are going to audit all of that, it is going to take a lot time and a lot of money to do it. frameworkhat this is then? how will the audit work? >> guest: well, incur rent year, 2018, they are

starting trying to do actual agencies within d.o.d. agency-wide audit. going to cost about $912 million this year to audit, part of that is the cost of the audit itself, about 1200 auditors are fanning out across the department of defense and but another part of allocation of money to fix problems they find now is fully d.o.d. will not pass the audit year. they will find lots of issues, they will go back and work on correcting those, try again next year, then the same thing. continue the process year after year. you to audit. find problems. you fix them. you try to audit again. they will keep doing that for year and years until they finally hopefully one day get to a clean audit. >> host: what is meant by clean audit? >> guest: they can meet all the them.rds that are set for a lot of that is being able to

account for property. you know, d.o.d., i bet $2.4 trillion in assets about $900 billion of it is real property. so it is real estate, it is buildings, d.o.d. has about half million $500,000 buildings and structures in its vein torn require. they have 500 mill taylor ry in city lagses and about 25 million acres of land and so they got to be able to go through and document all of that be able to account for it and then not to pension, spendingg for how it the budget every year. all the way down to the transaction level so a massive undertaking. >> host: todd harrison will be joining us to talk about the audit of the o.d.o. and what is involved. himou want to ask questions, please call in. ..s 8002. can tweet questions or comments at c-span. hearing last week took place

on the topic of the audit and one of the was the was asked of comptroller david norquist about how why there had none bt a refeas one. hear what had to say. >> i think the types of answers would hear is large, it is complex, it will take longer the personn year there and in my mind, those are arguments to start, not arguments to wait. are some mechanical things you had to put in place to make it worth. there are things you are not sample answer the requirements or the auditor they the departmentd having not been set that you way needed time to do that. not to explain it but because i recognize in my perspective is we taught have glad at leastam that in the transition of the administrations the contracts are set in place that allow us to began now rather than waiting putting out contracts and not auditg the benefit of the for few years. us how weodd, tell got to that point in the first

place. work.st: years of congress required that all government agencies in able to ago.an audit many years more than a decade ago. souped the d.o.d. was a part of they startedent so working to troy be able to pass the audit and they found as the controller noted that they could even get to the point of an audit and begin they had to change some of the internal accounting systems. give one example. some of the older accounting d.o.d., were set up back in the day when it was process lots of information and computers to tran mit mit it. high speedave the internet access we have today. so they were set up at each military installation, they keep track of all the different transactionance how man money was spent, it there everything.and they would then aggregate that information and send a summary higher headquarters.

well that is not good enough to pass an audit. have the summary information all gathered together. you the transaction level data go back to see how every single, you foe, item was spent. to updatey are having thei.t. systems that handle financial manage some of the they don't just pass the summary information they pass the detailed trans action information so it is one ex al pelf why it has been difficult indo this and it tailsly many ways become i.t. problem and as people who follow the and follow acquisition spending the department of defense is not having v a good track record at big i.t. systems, souped that has been part of the problem. you will to the point need 1200 auditors that do this. are they going to be independent the pentagon? >> guest: they are pent auditors hired t. of the are going to be coming in and doing this independently but they will be work alongside d.o.d. employees, a lot of

civilian employees will help them by providing the information so when the auditor requests a piece of information. you have to have a government worker go and actually find that information to provide it. is here tor guest talk about that audit process. he he is todd harrison for the of international studies. went independent line, gary, ga head. >> caller: , yes, are you going back to 2001 when rumsfeld was talking about the $2.3 trillions that was missing that no one it was.ll him where will you go back this far and find that. is going so the audit to be looking at the books today. so if there are disruptsies, are exist today, that because of something that happened in the past, that would absolutley be part of it. clear, though. when people say, that you know, something is missing, and it accounted for that does not mean it has been wasted. has does not mean there been fraud. that just means they cannot find

all the proper documentation and so, you know, that is something they have to work through. now we did see some preliminary results that were released back in december, actually, one particular agency, the defense logistic agency, we saw some of the audit results come out and what they found is there is about $1 billion that they could for.ull lay count now again, i not that the money used inpropted, or lir. was just they could not show. they could not fully document used,e money had been soon that was discrepancy in the audit. they have to now go back to fix hopefully next time when they come back, they will be able to pass the awed do it money went.the >> host: democrat's line, virginia. >> caller: yes, hi. on the bur rove prisons. . wanted to comment sessions was talking about how build $1 million inmates tyes to house

al over the country they have to build the new facilities. >> host: i don't know how you are refer. to that.uld relate it >> caller: why can't we use the facilities in this army pa isbases you have facilities in army bases when they fin out have $500 trillion built, why they can't do an audit and figure out ho access that and thing thatr the session is doing instead of wasting tax payer's dollars. >> host: thank you. >> guest: d.o.d. says it has 16% excess capacities in is about pa cycle there is here to united states. 16% excess capacity. most of that in the arm main the air force not the navy and

marine corps but the army and particular. massive amount of excess capacity. the problem is political. d.o.d. has requested authority from congress to close these bases and pa sill thinks they done it year after year after year throughout the obama administration and year after congress has denied that authority. d.o.d. cannot get rid of the facilitities it cannot turn them over to other parts of government to be use for giveses until congress them a that authority so that is a big issue. i think that is a number one of reform of the pentagon. if you want to save money, we these excess bases and facility is. >> host: the turkey base, this is because of political and what is going on but goes larger issue of if you need all of these type of facilities which you refore.

>> guest: we had five rounds in the past. in 2005.one started and you know, base closures in neednited states, you congress to guff permission to do it. closing bases overseas and other country, you don't need congress' mer mission so d.o.d. constantly doing that because it is the easy way to trim excess facilities is so the overseas bases are pretty close the right size. adjusty can, you know, them dynamically if they need to. he is there confental united states is where a lot of issues are because of the political reasons. no member of congress wants to base closed. >> host: greg is from hupsville, alabama. republican line. >> caller: hey, good morning. hey, quick question four. au are going to audit until clean audit. that is what i understanded? there is no limitation on this? get a clean admit it is a two-part question. is that correct? >> guest: yes.

that is the tint. they will keep auditing until audit, but even after that, the audits are going to occur on regular basis. >> caller: i have owned a yearsss since i was 21 old. am sure you guys much larger scale and much brighter than me, at you are .5, $4,500,000,000 in the first audit.ars of the you got 1200 auditors t. that is excessive. much moneyding too to figure out we're spending touch money. justify 1200 gleams at00 million a year. there is no international travel. should be within the united states. >> host: thank you, greg. >> guest: part of it is international. a lot of d.o.d.'s are spread across the world. the cost of the audit, sew is right. over five years that rate, it is to add up.

$912 million is the cost of the fy18.in $367 million of that is the audit $551 million or give or take little is for the happen as aill result of na they find the audit now that is estimate because they don't know everything they will find in advance. you know, a lot of it is actually the cost is actually making the fixes that go along with. >> host: granular as for as weapons and how many military personnel, etve, cetera, et cetera. >> guest: you know, one of the auditor would do is say they would go though air say, kay, sewuld many how man nim as to of planes you have. the numbers. ok. i will pick a tail number and tell somehow me where the planes. you do a sam bling of that. ok. you say you have this plane. so show me. want to see you actually vit. is at the low caution said it

is. it in the condition you stated is. right? lot of that has to happen. >> guest: take a look at the number of staff reasoning the pentagon. we need those types of staff. >> guest: an audit does not do that. an audit is just looking at can things, right? it doesn't look at efficiency t. that is one of the, one of the think, that is built up around d.o.d. not boeing able to audit. if we could do the audit, wee get more efficient and find all savings, you know? there is not a lep try can at the end of this audit with a pot gold. leprechaun. it will cost you a lot of money this.able to do but you know, it is a matter of accounting to be able to show know,ngs payers that you this is how the money is being spent. being spent according to how is supposed tot be spent. >> host: todd harrison is here defenseabout the

department audit. if you want to ask him questions. 202-748-2001, 2002. >> so we're an independent nonprofit bipartisan think tank. national secure tissues and my part of csi. i have two roles. i am director so we look at all aspects of u.s. defense spending. the director of the aerospace security project where we focus on air power and space tissues. >> host: when you heard, what was the first thing that came to as potential problems it may encounter. >> guest: my first thought of it isdit is always that just a massive undertaking. i am glad i am not the one who to do it. but it really immediates to be done. a matter of is public accountability. and also, you know, back to the cost of it for a second. a put it into perspective.

spending about $90 billion a auditing that is on a budget that is almost $700 billion. this is much less than one percent. overall pentagon spending it is a good use of money to make sure properlyre spending it and give people confidence that it is being spent prop lir. virginia beach, democrat's line. julie, you next. >> caller: hi. i have a question. when my father eased to be auditor for military command d.o.d.as affiliated with he used to have to go down and guyt the purses whichs the they used to give money to. my question is that they wanted to sign off on the books was missing. my father refused to and got blacklisted. my question is. how many people are signing off and still worried about their that they are going to end

up taking the blame for something that they may not have done because they are worried about their globs. >> guest: that is part of the process. are independent auditors are supposed to sign off they have ver need everything is proper and what. a good auditor will not sign off cannot ver ni. and that whis happened so far is said we cannotrs sign off on those things. you got to make these fixes we'll come back and try it again. if it is working properly. and people are doing their job be puttors they won't into that position. and especially because they are toes andnt you attar not working directly for the department of defense or the and they are pent and their job is to be pent. >> host: washington, d.c. math thighs next. go ahead. >> caller: hi, todd. my name is matthew russell. i work for congressman connay the audithandle

issue. first, thanks for talking about tissue. it is important. points. to make two one, gu talk about the culture shift that is required in the to.t. all the way down captain and major levels have document transabs now where they was't have to before which the major culture shift that requires fundamental change from down then her to thing when you mentioned drl earlier mentioned the 800 million they found if you expand on that and talk how that is actually kind of proof that the audits working its something that they dip know where then in nice but they can account for. are is audit the results actually am cothrough and they can document that now. they are good things. that we see now. dal?ller: the >> guest: the audit overall? >> caller: it needs to happen. thisd a special panel on and in 2012 so engaged in the

shore for several years and move dod toward audit and kind of going back ago in the first comment. larrest things we have seen to help turn this is leadership, secretary panetta a valuable role in kind of saying we are going to do this. are going to do this now. we are molt going to keep putting off like we dn the '90's. pushed on the house side to get this done and we'll continue to flay role. >> host: thank you. matthew conaway is from texas. ahead. >> guest: that is the audit doing it job, right. so that when you find something needs to be fixed that is progress because now you know what you need fix and you can audit again and find something else you need fix. every time we find problems, rog degrees. i the is right. there has to be a culture shift and we are already seeing that happen that people have to start thinking differently and about how they keep records within

d.o.d. and it is a big cultural issue. to do that all the way down at the lowest level of the juniorations and you are level managers look the '03's across thetains services and they have to have ok everythingf dow i got record the trans abs right. i got make sure i am downing properly. so that takes a long time to infuse a new culture of accountability financial accountability and across the military. buttette is happening, they are maining rog degrees. >> host: we have a viewer who twitter, what percentage are passing the audits? what may happen to the d.o.d.? >> guest: i focus on defense issue. not familiar what other government agencies are doing in terms of audit and how much they are magging? i can say this the current come d.o.d.ler for he is really in the driver's

seat of this. troller came from the department of homeland security, he pushed that department to get audit. the i think it took about ten years because was not there the whole time. years took about ten the department of homeland security so they could get to a clean audit. when they do pass a clean audit those results are going to be publicly available of course it be redacked wherever there is sensitive classified information but that is part of accountability to the public. >> host: you are next for our guest. >> caller: hi, todd. report onooked at the the report on c-span. congress.ed to thereave contractors over by name. there is ten contractors. anybody can read. i i am sure you read it. caller isi think the referring to -- there have been

a lot of reports by this. forial inspector general afghanistan reconstruction, and they have found that over the years, laxes, lapses in hoy afghanistan has been contracted, how it has been used, and a lot of what the has found thatal is we have used money ineffectively. it is not, you know, that someone intentionally set out to go and do something fraud lntly or waste money. a the way it has been used has not been fekive and so documented and you know, i would encourage foam they are interested in that to read special spin tech are general reports on gave tan. thisst: john has been on program several times to talk about the reports. if you go to the website c-span org you can find those past apersonnance including testimony onhas given before congress how many has been in afghanistan. again a on the web site. shawn in hawaii,

independent law. away, we'reere and gene on dent on d.o.d. once it shown well, will it affect statesr what get $700 billion in the future in fek, that's my question. thank you. >> guest: an audit itself does not change how the money is spent. doesn't change how it is allocated. that is up to the department of defense and congress when they budget for d.o.d. every year. so audit is not going to change that. ifaudit will be able to show the money was spent as it was intend. host when the head of the pentagon gets i. what does doe with it? again, what is the value. >> guest: the val ice you can results of the audit there are areas where you had definish is where didn't pass. go back and direct

the work force fix those problems and you know, if you discremesieses that money actually was used for one intended forot that. then, you got to hold people accountable for that. think it really what this is going to do is give the comp secretary ofd the defense a tool with which to hold the pentagon and their work forand more acocountable doing what they are supposed to do. haute,t: robert in terre indiana republican line. hi. >> caller: so since the defense does, think, most people believe, and dow, a lot of things that are mission. how do you account? >> guest: yeah. there are large partings of the pentagon's budget are classified, so would need auditors that have the prop are go in andlearances to audit those accounts, and so, narrowingyou start

the pool of people of auditors that you can draw upon when you but d.o.d. can give, you know, they always do, quite often, they give contractors the proper security clearances so and look at the program details and so, it is doable. the result, those audits the details are of course not going to be made pub make because that will be classified but it is still possible to awed classifiede the secret accounts. >> host: we have a viewer who contracts forthe the auditing. knee? >> guest: i don't remember offhan. it is a large effort. yeah. that would be public available. >> host: missouri, this is kay, independent line. cal hi. call. for taking my >> caller: hi. thanks for taking my call. you heard or a lot of

people have had. or threehree swedes norwegian funny song about united states first in breast augmentation and incarcerating its own citizens and i think also first in sales of weapons which makes this is the world.of i think military spending like public schools and much more public expense in the united aates is really become racket. i mean, now this is a small example that lake teacher here room andclock for her ended up this is years ago. this is years ago. up with two slips to be able to get two clocks not one. and i know they purchased a tv throughy could not get the doors, i dobb know where that ended up. >> host: ok, caller, thanks.

>> guest: yeah, you know, a separate issue from the audit is what we're spen on the military. think what the caller is prexing feeling she had that maybe we're spend touching on the to other partsve of the government. you know, to look at the theers, um, you know in disguessingary part of the federal budget so that's the part that congress has to appropriate every year. goestle over half of it defense. if you look at the entire prall budget which includes spen therams and interest on national debt, the pentagon is the overall federal budget. and so you know, the pentagon's budget is growing now especially the budget deal that congress arrived at earlier this year. it is growing. other parts of government are as well. wan few years we lookly to pass

the point where we spend more on national debt the than we do on defense. that is because our debt is growing rapidly. rates go up as they are predicted to in the coming years then the cost of our debt is going to go up in the budget and so, you know, i look back as far back i have been able to see in the dat that's the first time that happened that we interests on the debt than we do on defense. you oh, just, you know, facts about where we are overallfederal budget. >> host: from allen, another caller from hawaii. independent line. hi. >> caller: hello. i will throw two items at you if you can give me time. won't.you probably first my father was general contractor for the air force and -- the air force shut him down because he was complying theythe contract but reinterpret sod were giving airplanes and told them to take parts off, fix them and put

them back. seg airplanes that didn't have parts and told him to replease the parts which he couldn't do. trying to sue them because gave him air base in door into then they basically took it away from him and all subcontractors were yanked way. the second part is i shared about a guy here in hawaii and he was one of the on the explorer and the all the things were telling secret and kept me they would never in able to awed did the the economics of it because so many multi thatistration processes would be time mid. >> host: call, he thanks. the idea of contractors overall oft work for the department defense. them?t do g to >> guest: yes. that is part of what the audit is going to have to look at is led andthose contracts

what are we got from them? if they were speesefied in the accountednd how is it for? >> host: one more call. sheila inhear from maryland, the republican line. >> caller: good morning. questions fore of mr. harrison, i believe that is his name. what is the starting point? at what year do you start the audit also you mentioned that problem was i.t. am when you talk about 550 million-dollar for fixes, does in that include integrate k a mu computer system? it would seem to me that would move if you are let's say starting, what is the your audit?nt of what year? are you also looking at fixes. you can integrate ten computer systems. you.st: thank

>> guest: yes. the starting point is current. current fiscal year. that is what they are trying to audit. and yes, so part of the ficks is it systems. changes to financial management systems how they keep records, of it.that is part now, there have been series of efforts, you know, going back years, to try to upgrade a lot of the financial systems, been ongoing process. it takes several years for these their wayo work through so you actually have the andems on-line and working fully populated with information, that has been, that been long ongoing process but that will continue throughout the audit and, you would just caution people, just expect as the year goes by, and, and more and more more results from this first agency-wide audit start to come more and morehear deferb sis more and more problems and that is a sign that it is working. they are sign that finding what they need to fix

and we are not there yet of course because the fexes need to be made and that is what a lot of the costs is is making those but that hois and we get to one day hopefully you know, it is not ten years look it was at homeland security. >> host: you have to wait for audit to be completed ap would that be made though public? said is: what they november 15th of every year is when they flon release the thelts of the audit of previous year and so they will keep doing that every year.h of i imagine that some of the results will probably lec out before then. washington, right? so if there is something in there that someone doesn't like shocking and you know, is probably going to come out earlier than that but by year we're every able to see publicly the results of the audit and what needs to happen during the next year to try to get closer. >> host: todd harrison is the

defense budget analyst director talking about the audit of the pentagon. the first ever for our money seg. week. your time. >> guest: thank you. >> host: we have open phones until 10:00. come take those when we back.

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talk about that trip he asked dueled for this week for inspection and the president. open phones again. we'll start with our pent line. hello. you are next. >> caller: it is not government money would it be lockheed contractor money. who is paying for the pent auditors? god bless you. thank you for listening. >> host: erie, pennsylvania, democrat's line. we'll hear next from jim. jim, hello.

jim in erie, spencevania. hello. you are on. go ahead. >> caller: yeah, about the pittsburgh andof they were discussing carter lamb carter wasid that former marine and a prosecutor and i want to know, refire? medically retier for post dramatic stress disorder. recall. i don't eas it significant? >> caller: i would like know what the back ground is as far as the marine corps. >> host: ok. in the connor running 18th eas it district. i gain we heard our guest earlier talk about that. city, missorry, democrat's line. >> caller: yes. yes. opinion about the board wall theyve had a wall and ended up under the wall. >> host: how does that apply to

what the president is going to be inspecting on this week? >> caller: um, as far as the election? >> host: just because the be lookings going to at those row tow types for a new section of border wall. >> caller: to me, ok, i do -- i work. i check people's i.d.'s and stuff like that. you have people here from great britain, south america, i mean, place, and you can't concentrate on the comingc her to mexicans through. there is people here from canada, everywhere. want to fix, i guess they call, illegal alien problem. don't look at the mexicans, look everywhere. that is my point. >> host: white house official a on the sunday show. first talk about the proposal on gun safety especially when it comes to problem. don't look areas like schools.

the president himself tweeting about the efforts of the white house is making saying the tweet morning. very strong improvements and strengthening of background backed by the white house legislation moving forward and stob will be out. expert tapers will be allowed to conceal carry subject of state law. armed guards ok deterrent. in ohio, dale is next. democrat's line. >> caller: hi, my names dale. say, a lot of times the president is constantly saying that the companies are going to into the united states. now not one time we ever heard of him saying he is going to his business back to the united states. and that is a big negative. he can say that they are coming back to the united time he saidot one anything about the businesses then you have tom price that, spent over $400,000 just flying around all over the or wherever with

his family and everything, he pays $50,000 back. what happened to the other $400,000? the other 50,000? not makethis does sense. so i am just concerned when well president come back and say i will bring my business back? he is getting cheap labor is theere seas that reason why he is over there in the first place. you know? getsstmazing about what he away with. just the words he says on rally and, and at the what have you. i don't want my child to sit up to goin the third grade there and insulter thats like to. wellthe first thing they say, where did get the sb word at? president.the it is really sad. that is al wasn't to say. pittsburgh hasin profile of connor, the democrat running in the special election and a little bit of background and profile when it comes to the military career.

he formed the 2004 and served from october of 200 to september of 2015 and one year and eight service in oak and marine and navy corps ap reached the rank of ontain and reselfed honorable dischurch and now a mar jor. guess on from there. can find more at the action news website. of connor lamb. let's go to billy in shelby, north carolina. pen pent line. >> caller: yeah, i am interested about daca and building a border wall, you know, immigration and what not? why we never discovered openly you know what we owe in south america. for instance, in 2016, president visitedhen he argentina, openly acknowledged in that's role in,

government, or in that government back be the '880 a we thousandslaughtered of citizens that was actually truthigated by the commission. how can we never talked about that? you know, we want to send the the kind of plus place but we never openly whoa.ledged what >> host: the star-ledger of new jersey this morning on the front topic ofs about the school resource officers when it comes to new jersey and talk for having those officers in board. the factoids they say a school resource ner from of course purchase full-time, especially trained, a sworn police officer, healthng the pension and benefits that average salaries $100,000 and lower audit says a special law enforcement officer now this is usually retired police officer no works part time with benefits and that average salary is $30,000. it rolls to the larger piece have this morning teaking a look at school resource officer, star-ledger out of

new jersey. the website is nj.com. read that there. lily is next. from montgomery village, indiana. is call coming from montgomery village, maryland. for take might call. i am retired teacher. publicworked in the d.c. school system as a high i was a preschool teacher and a preschool director i have alsod instructed incarcerated males commentgs i wanted to on term in of the instructors i agree with the previous callers that it would be unhall think choice for many reasons, will said.peat what they however, one of think the things i have not heard anyone speak about. is the role of school councilors. in my experience, i have observed a common thread in every age level when i was

personally in school when i was in middle school and high school required to see our councilors twice year and they would ask us directed questions and take notes. however, itre -- seems to be, i have kids in the school system. i asked the kid, my kids the same question. do you see your cons hour? they have not required to see their school councilor. the councilor there is for them should they need to see them but see them.required to my feeling is this -- i am concerned that policies are onng considered and voted and greater accountabilities being and taxation is being on classroom teachers when the role of the school is one that they are supposed to be weighing in on issues.nial health yes we need to address mental health and gun control but i amously

concerned that no one is even speaking to the role of the councilor. can you speak to that? >> host: flat rock, illinois, independent line. rick, you are next. >> caller: yes. i have a solution. use guard dogs at the entrances of the schools and cameras, our technology is so a dog,n this today, that all he will want is atta buy and a biscuit if he takes down a shooter. teachers would not have to carry guns, they wouldn't want to carry a gun because the dog is after a man with a weapon or so, i believe service dogs and veteran, woulda not solution, a dog would need a salary. >> host: ok.

cairo, missouri, pent line. >> caller: hi. hello. >> host: hello. >> caller: good morning. you surprised me here. like in business, earocuses on the next quart profits seems that our political the nextcuses on election. the tariffs on steel, 180,000 benefit,ers 6.5 million people do not benefit. seems like the tariffs were designed to affect a local the cost of nothing the rest of the country. >> host: which local election?

>> caller: the pennsylvania, the steelworkers, the land, what you withjust talking about, the steelworkers. they are pretty pleased about you know, tobut expand on the idea of looking forward, um, nobody wants to pay taxes. our national debt is going up again. well, ok, i get your votes the happense around, what 50 years down the road? or 100 years done the road m we continue on a path where do not, you know, we take, we don't play the long game. >> host: ok. let's flare guy. he is in brandon, florida. hello. morning.: good i just have a couple of quick comments. officer.red naval i spent 12 years in atlanta area inin sticker and no interest

gar car rage gun in the school for host of reasons. --ond issue, >> host: what is top among those reasons? not why i amat is in the school. second issue is if i could quickly. you know, amendment one of the most heavily-armed groups in the country are the national group, the white supreme groups. episode tod a recent cover that? numbers. that is all i had. thanks. >> host: a couple of stories out of china. this is u.s.a. today saying the national pom's convention has elimination of the two-term limit on the presidency almostnd only two of the 3,000 handpicked members voted against the change and the adoptedand term limits in 1982 to highlight during the brutal cultural evolution and consuggestional change is socialism and

recognize the unconditional authority of the communist party. u.s.a. today. when it come those middle east. "the new york times" profiled east plan byiddle the trump administration this is mark's story this morning saying the to lay the ground work in the middle east the white house is convening conference on discuss ways to ease the crisis in gaza but the said onian authority saturday it would boycott the meeting while officials decline cuss the plant's concept secrecy they said it would not have a set of guying principle look the peace endorsed i in 2002 which scetched out the broad detail forcethe the two sides to fill in. for example. a plan will not call for as within ofution the goals and prescribe pathways for the cree twice states anor for a fir and just for refugees and offer ofps to deal with issue

refugees the trillionp aides multi-pagen documents with annexes that preece solution to all the key dispute shall border security refugees and the status of jerusalem answer predicted the palestinianshe would each find things in the plan to em bris and oppose. that is in the new york times this morning. from arkansas, we'll hear from jeff next. republican line. >> caller: hi. that last, i got half of the dog.ion about the guard the only problem with the dogs ways, the kids are so wild. the insurance would be through the rough for the based they attacked. why don't you use riot guns and assault guns? >> host: why use them in the first place? jeff? >> caller: what not? i am sorry. cal. >> host: why would you use them in the first place? guns orr: the assault

the dogs? >> host: adault guns. hunt.ler: i deer the first deer scared the heck out of know shoot it. is 20 years old in new york is going to know how to use shotgun. somebody.kill if you know you are going to guns.them use riot >> host: los angeles, california, amir on the pent line. morning.ir, good >> caller: good morning. wall. to go door to board the initial topic. thatt cannot believe donald trump has convinced something as archaic as a board wall like it is world as we have zombies trying to krull over a wall into our -- a well into our country. you know? it is ridiculous. talkssay, you know, he about or infrastructure falling

apart. what happen whens you build a wall, especially miles long? i mean, immediately starts crumbling. not immediately. but over time. and you know, i think, you know why? why doesn't anybody? the thing about him, you know, he has the chants like build the wall, lock her up? s that how he gets people to follow him. but between it say, i wonder why approaching him saying you know what, donald we know you want to keep true to we have technology to implement something called a virtual wall. i know people have talked about it before. we have the technology dot. the thing about a virtual wall. can also employ people, um, wonder why nobody steps up to him and says, ok. you want to build a wall. why don't you flip the idea? you can stay with the is about wall.y virtual >> host: ok. that is amare in l.a., cra are a. if you go go "the washington

post" this morning. a story over immigration policy. thatuthor writes california's defiance marks a issmic shift to a state that the biggest critic of undocumented immigrants a gen rigs ago. in 1904 nearly 59% of voters passed ropcision 187 a ballot initiative that is thoughting to doe ni bub public benefits expel from public schools and blocked in court but thessage fueled by the state's rapidly growing la helpede know population turn a republican stronghold ina mecca for dems and since then they cannot get in other states driver's licenses and in state college tuition and financial aid and after the president took office and reversed the previous sealednt's policies that millions of undocumented i grapes from dep or tation and shifted into over drive. finally in new jersey, here is mickey, independent line.

>> caller: yes. menuld like to make a come on the school. no guns in school school. they have safes which will only with your fingerprints. to have alow teacher personal safe in their closet that will only open with their finger frints, having a gun in if something happens, they can get to it. they have a chance. have this gym teacher down here, who put his -- he put himself in front of kids and was killed. he is a hero. her rechance to live. give that hero a chance to live. him an option to fire back to eliminate the threat. wasot killed and the that still there. that is all i have to say. >> host: bob from alabama. republican line. are next. >> caller: yes, sir.

was thinking, you take been auld have down there inriff parklab, florida, we would have parkland,ime -- florida. >> host: caller, go ahead. to beverly.ove on beverly is in ohio. democrat's line. beverly. >> caller: hi. i got two comments regarding arming teachers in school. they stated is optional. it must be every teacher have a if somebody like cruz shootn the school to somebody, he will start with the watches tv.use he he knows that tapers have guns. he doesn't know which teacher first percent he would try shoot at would be a at isr, so teachers are look. the other thing, the second a guy like teachers,

cruz goes in the school, they call the police. the police come to stop the shooter. they see the teacher with the gun. the taper is the so-called cruz. so giving teachers dup work toway, from one aspect another. don't give teachers guns. >> host: ok. ohio.s bev lynn bedford, one more story to show you from the new york times this morning. file of erangelly call women as they are described who support think president now tiptoeing away according to the headline. kidderring to data from the says supporter among whited evangelical women have droppedveys to 60% come back compared a year eight-pointthan drop among all women "that change is significant" that is smith aoat society director of research who noted a

upon point drop. post both groups have become less over time. even in the face of the me too movement and renewed of maritaladding that a clear f evangelical women even in the face of the #metoo movement continue along with white evangelical men to four mr. trump's most cohesive block of supporters. most notable surprises of the 2016 campaign. that is it for the program today. another edition comes your way tomorrow at 7:00. thanks for watching. we will see you then. ♪ >> coming up live today on

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congressional district seat south of pittsburgh. over the weekend, former vice president joe biden campaigned for the democrat in the race, conor lamb. letter -- or former 33-year-old former federal prosecutor. we will show both campaign stops now. we start with conor lamb and former vice president joe biden. ♪