then, following her remarks we join the senate foreign relations committee where former british prime minister david cameron testifies about global security. unfoldsn, where history daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events aroundington, d.c., and the country. c-span is brought to by your cable or satellite provider. >> coming up on washington journal, the recent tariff announcement and his role in the midterm elections. the historian mary frances berry talks about her book which

details the history and role of progressive movements in america. a former venture capitalist on his education reform efforts and his new book, what school could be. host: president trump heads to california today to part -- inspecting prototypes of the border wall. 300,000 each. those are many things going on in washington today. this is march 13. for over a year, the intelligence committee has been investigating russia's involvement in the election. they announced they are done with the investigation.

wasconclusion they found there was no collusion between the russian government and the trump campaign. reaction. we want to get your reaction as well about the conclusion of no collusion between the current campaign and the russians. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 784-8001 four republicans. independents2 four . also, you can post on our facebook page. if you go to intelligence, the committee has put a document out there, taking look at the investigation they've been doing into the russian involvement in the election. this is the overview section. -- find forsted for different things.

this is a 150 pound -- page draft will be delivered today. some of the conclusions say there was a pattern of russian attacks on american and european allies. political attacks on institutes. , they found nog evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russians. there were problematic context between senior intelligence communities and the media. those are some of the initial investigationis by the house intelligence committee into russian activities. the final report makes its way to democrats today for their inspection. they will probably put out a

document of their take on the findings. we want to get your thoughts about these findings from the investigation between the trump campaign and the russian government. for democrats. (202) 784-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8002 four independents. this is the -- these are the phone numbers. from the hill, talking about these findings. waspublican from texas leading the investigation within the intelligence committee. the quote he had, we found no evidence of collusion and that only tom clancy could take the inadvertent contacts and we that into some sort of spy thriller. he was also on foxnews yesterday talking about the conclusions of

the findings. these are some of the exchanges. twice we've interviewed all the people we need to. we've looked at 300,000 documents. we've done 73 interviews. we answer the four questions we set out to answer. yes, the russians tried to interfere with our election process. they had cyber attacks and active measures going on. we could find no evidence of collusion between either campaign or the russians. we will have recommendations that speak to what we do with elections going forward. how important it is for americans to be on guard. that is the elect him of leadership. >> on the big piece of the puzzle that everyone has been talking about and one of the reasons why your investigation started, no evidence of collusion between the campaign and the russians.

got -- you never know what you never know. we have no reason to think we are missing. we talked to everyone we think we need to talk to. every congressional investigation has a caveat that something might be found that leads to a different conclusion. we will address that is part of our oversight responsibilities. the intelligence committee has ongoing oversight that will continue. we believe we've got the information. that was the reaction from the top republican looking into the investigation. the ranking democratic member put out in a tweet. the tweet yesterday said the gop does shut down the investigation, leaving questions on answered, witnesses uncalled,

subpoenas unissued. the gop is decided it would rather not know. the minorities work continues. the democrat from california also added this be a tweet. the november elections are coming up. we will show you some more information coming out about this story that broke yesterday. the lines are posted on twitter. this is annapolis, maryland. what do you think about the conclusions drawn by the republicans? caller: it's about us phony as a piece of baloney. , butbody else's continuing they take it to a close. believet don't want to it. they sold their souls to the devil. from suit in illinois, the

republican line. sayer: i would just like to that the democrats should be investigated for that russian stuff. and all that i'm glad they dropped the investigation. why is that. they know that stupid. they know the democrats paid for that fake russian dossier and the mahler investigation is bogus. host: this is the house investigation. the mahler investigation continues. we just heard from illinois. well is in florida. he is only independent line. guest: i think this is amazing to see. i'm a libertarian myself. i don't think people denied there was any type of collusion.

russia is involved in every election. we are involved in foreign elections. now, it'sing about it not that people think there is no possibility of collusion, their undying support to donald trump, it's hypocritical. if you're going to blame donald trump, you've got to look at the uranium one deal and so much collusion going on with the democratic side. it's not that we are denying it, it just looks very hypocritical. committeeintelligence what they have looked at over the last year. , 55 includes 73 interviews transcribed interviews, nine hearings in open and closed sessions, three oversight

hearings, 230 hours of testimony. documents produced by the testimony review by the committee. witnesses invoke their fifth amendment protections. if you go to the house justligent website, that's some of the findings from the russia investigation. that was conducted by the house. they took away there was no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. fred is in new jersey. you are next. caller: good morning. the conclusion from this committee is completely bogus. the meeting atop tower between trump's son and the russians?

they didn't get what they wanted out of that, but they tried. if that's not collusion, i don't know else what it is? host: is that the reason you say the conclusion is bogus? that, you think there are questions to be asked western mark -- asked? caller: absolutely. they did not ask the questions they should have been asking. host: rob is next on the independent line. rob is in washington dc. few weeksremember a back, they put up some information about george h w bush. i don't know if you ever heard of that before. host: how does that relate to the conclusion by house republicans yesterday? caller: concern the russian

investigation? since reaganened and gorbachev. he told gorbachev he would tear down the wall. everything opened up the door from that. then came george h w. china and russia have an alliance with each other. host: let's hear from donald trump himself via twitter. he put out a tweet yesterday. foundd the committee has a evidence of collusion or coordination. that is one of the many tweet that came out as a result of this conclusion yesterday. you can make your thoughts no --

known at (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 784-8001 four republicans, (202) 748-8002 four independents. caller: good morning. i think this report is totally bogus. partisan. this has been involved in from the very start. he's been trying to do anything possible to disparage the mahler report. it's obvious. the russians have something on donald trump. 530 of the combined congress voted to put stiffer sanctions on russia. nothing has come of it. he says very little about

russia's involvement. agree thatheads all they interfered in our elections. it's very obvious there is something going on. either he owes them a great deal of money or he's on his way to be a big -- dictator. to bese all americans very much aware of what's going on right now. thank you very much. host: rick is on twitter. the house leader nancy pelosi gave her opinion via tweet.

host: in georgia, we will hear from april next. caller: high there. i feel like there was probably a connection. i remember at the beginning of he and vladimir putin were talking to one another. vladimir putin made comments about trump. guy, he the kind of probably does pay people off to be on his side or to get their support. he's the wealthiest man in the world. he has investments in every country in the world. host: you don't believe the republicans?

i think there are still unanswered questions. be toot that i want to horse into the ground, at the beginning of his presidency, they seemed to have a relationship. it just seemed odd to me concerning russia's attitude toward america. it just seemed off. i know trump wants to be friends with everyone in the world because of his investments. it seems like we are crossing a bad line. we have no good intentions toward america. people.are great i like democrats. a republican in california, this is steve. go ahead. knows theerybody

democratic party and hillary clinton paid for this phony russian dossier. goes, as robert mueller it's a witchhunt on donald trump. he didn't conspire with the russians. host: you believe the report? i'm looking at the evidence. the evidence shows that the democrat party was totally involved with this phony russian dossier. host: carol off twitter says this. we have a republican congressional congressman said

this on twitter. these are some of the reactions. you can add yours on twitter. maine, richard is in york, maine. caller: good morning. thank you for letting me be on your show. i am quite concerned about the issue we are dealing with. because? to the i'm listening show in talking to you at the same time. host: don't listen to the television. i think the conclusion by the republicans and both the

democrats, we are not concentrating on what we should be doing in this country. there is one investigation after the other. what are we doing about the emigrants that are being cast out of the country? was the future plan? host: that aside, the conclusions? what do you think about them? caller: when you have any one party including my party making conclusions about their president, it's not going to be a fair conclusion. quoted in conaway was the hill. the hill reported that he said monday he expects democrats to make extensive changes to the draft. lawmakers have long said the democrats will likely issue their own report.

that story was found in the hill. we are in greenbelt, maryland. hello. caller: thank you for having me. it's unfortunate that a lot of -- if they are all positions haved, been taken against russia.

becauseld not pass it there are not many in the house. it's rather unfortunate. they are not honest. they are untrustworthy. thank you so very much. host: usa today this morning has an interview with the deputy attorney general about the investigation being conducted by robert mueller. the headline says it's not an unguided missile. kevin johnson is writing.

you can read more that in usa today this morning. again, the investigation as far as the house is concerned is concluded. added there was no collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government. if you want to continue on, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 784-8001 four republicans, (202) 748-8002 four independents . we want to talk about the

special election in pennsylvania concerning the 18th district. the election is being watched for several reasons. joining us is chris potter with the pittsburgh post-gazette. he is a politics reporter. good morning. can we start with the implications for this election, not only for the 18th district but some of the larger reasons why people are watching it? this is a special election to fill out the remainder of a term vacated by tim murphy. there was a scandal last fall. just about who's going to be occupying that seat through the end of this calendar year. there's a redistricting fight happening here. this seat may not even exist in its current form after that term

is over. the broader implications are important nationally. this is a jersy to one for donald trump by 20 points. polling data shows this race today is well within the margin of error. if anything, the democrat has an has over the republican who made himself a very trump style republican. what we've seen here a lot in western pennsylvania, i've seen four or five ads on tv, the messaging will be coming to a tv set interview all across the country. republicans are trying to tie mr. lamb to nancy pelosi. a been running a lot of ads about the was the maleic tax-cut plan and who benefits from it.

as much money has been spent nationally on this race, mr. lamb has closed the gap here consistently since the race began last year. you are looking at how the messages are resonating with a largely white suburban and rural small-town industrial industrial demographic. how are those messages resonating? how is that going forward? there is a reason for concern. host: what has to happen for conor lamb to win? guest: enthusiasm is a big part of it. thatnk this is a district although it has tended to vote republican has a democratic registration edge. historically over the past few decades, you have a lot of union

households and economically they may be liberal in terms of wanting to protect union rights and wage issues, on social ,ssues like abortion and guns these are people who are more conservative and out of step with the national party. he has worked to bring those people back into the full. he wants to get them out there. there is a lotke of enthusiasm on the democratic side. for performance in the county, one of the four counties in the district. it includes portions of pittsburgh. he has to do well there. if he can roll out a big number , he will wincounty

here. real measureee any from the president visit last week? guest: i haven't seen anything in polls. there was a poll that came out yesterday conducted on the eight through the 11th. conor lambhowed reversing an earlier edge. i talked to some republicans about this. some people are down going into this thing. obama turned out for a lot of elections in 2010. it didn't necessarily help democrats all that much. donald trump rallies the base. at the end of the day, it's hard to know what the payoff is.

there was a very enthusiastic crowd. that was a donald trump crowd. a lot of those people didn't even come from the district. host: the president's son was there as well. guest: he was just here yesterday. toured af them chocolate factory together. said,d what donald trump people are watching because it's where donald trump did so well. if heis an effort to say can win, it proves the success of our messaging and what was accomplished so far. if he loses, it's just a special election. they are determined by their own dynamics. host: what time to the polls

close? at eight :00 p.m. they just opened at 7:00 this morning. it will all come down to the suburbs of pittsburgh. we will see how that goes. potter, thank you for your time. guest: thank you. host: you can watch candidate speeches later on after the polls close. you can go to our website www.c-span.org and we will give you information about when candidate speeches are expected. theto our calls about conclusion about no collusion. thank you for holding on it. caller: hello? thank you for taking my call. i don't know where to start.

trump is a true independent. what they need to probe is the house and senate and get all the communists and not seize and muslims and fascists out of their. khrushchev was right. he said he was going to take this country over. they did it by infiltrating every aspect of our government. host: how does that relate to the report from yesterday? that's what i thought i was. i think they concluded what was happening. they can't find anything. this is a waste of money, especially with the fbi. host: let's go to check in alabama. -- chuck in alabama.

caller: i watch this program quite often. slant againstto the republicans. the only people that you quote are something that is pro-democratic. i'm 80 years old. i remember tokyo rose. she would've been proud of you. host: charles in washington dc. just a little personal history. i used to go to the library of congress and you could just walk in. i remember seen a lot of russians and chinese and japanese. those were spies going in there and copying stuff. to the report yesterday, do you believe it? caller: i don't believe it.

--on't think they did a 4 thorough enough investigation. nunez is a plant. the russians have infiltrated this administrative as well as england. what is donald trump doing about it? nothing. he has his hands all around vladimir putin's waste. host: let's go to akron ohio. caller: what a joke. has sad about it is trump succeeded with all this fake news and people are calling. report from yesterday, why don't you believe it? caller: there is so much evidence. everything is tied to russia.

i don't see how anyone could overlook something that is so blatant. i'm glad the senate still has an investigation and i'm glad moller has is in bashan -- investigation. host: what do you think they overlooked? they go back to the fake dossier. there were so many other things that they based it on when they went to the fisa court. dossier. just the that's what they go back to. what a joke. host: people reacting on cnn to the conclusion by the intelligence committee, tom rooney. he was talking about the conclusion. these are some the conclusions he drew. completely off the rails and we are a political

form for people to leak information and drive the news. as you alluded to, we've lost all credibility and we will issue two different reports. why it regard, that's called for the investigation to end. if there's anything we can do to protect us in 2018, we just had a primary in texas. we've got election tomorrow in pennsylvania. if we don't get these recommendations out before the cycle is underway, then we really have just completely wasted a year. host: rhonda is in chicago. caller: good morning. i don't believe there was any conclusion unless they think the american people are stupid when they go to vote. they should go back to paper ballots if they think it's so crooked. host: why don't you believe

there was collusion? caller: because they don't explain how there was conclusion. did they interfere with our voting machines? host: let's go to dayton, ohio. my name is karen. i believe they shut down the investigation too soon. i believe we are under russian control. host: looking into it, why do you feel it's too soon? caller: they were just getting to the bottom of it. it got too hot. they shut it down. host: how so? caller: the people were coming for interviews. then they investigate what they were saying. they knew if they investigated it, they would have found out the information and it wouldn't have been looking good for

donald trump or anyone else who was doing trading -- being a traitor. host: the new york times looks at possible meeting places between the president and kim jong-un, some of the possible locations for the summit. one of them could be the dmz. that might be one of the most promising locations. north and south korea met their. summit meetings were held there.

it might be an awkward situation because it's not seen as a supplicant. north korea might want to give him a display of his own. another location could be washington. a meeting would be awkward for the white house, which would be wary of the propaganda value. this is on the new york times website. one other thing to watch out for educationwork, the secretary will give a speech on gun violence and school safety. you will remember that she was tasked to look at a wide scope of issues under school violence. c-span3 will watch her live at 2:30 p.m. this afternoon. you can also watch on. it's ryan zinke e on

the budget. he will testify before the energy committee. you will see that at 10:00 this morning. sean is in new york. whyer: i was wondering during the collusion debate, why aren't comments about loretta lynch part of the investigation? why is that being sought after? host: why do you think it's important? caller: if you want to talk about collusion, should may both be investigated? host: in chicago, connie is next. caller: thank you for taking my call. i don't believe that report because the report appears to be protection for donald trump and

not to be concerned about protection for our country, to foreign meddling in our elections. devin nunes is highly questionable. he appears to be a courier for donald trump. committeeintelligence never interviewed some of the main characters, papadopoulos, bannon, a few of the other ones. they want to do everything they can to protect donald trump. this doesn't even include the democrats. you know they concluded this report. they blocked the democrats out. this is something for donald trump. i am so glad that robert mueller his investigation moving

forward. host: from geneva, new york area go ahead. go ahead. i don't like the idea of them shutting everything down, closing this investigation. we are in enough trouble as it is. that why do you say closing it down now is not right? how can they close it now when there is an investigation going on. they are just trying to protect donald trump. i do not like him. he is involved with russia. they are involved with russia.

that's why they are trying to not keep this thing going. host: that was thomas in new york. the orange county register looks at the border wall prototypes that exist in california. eight of them to be specific. the president will visit there today. he is trying to get funding for the southern border. criticized -- they are going phase. investigative the cost of each prototype ranged between $300,000 and $500,000. each contractor involved had 30 days to construct the prototypes. each one of them, about 30 feet off the ground. you go to the orange county

register website, it shows you some of the examples. it also shows the companies that will come and the contracts. that website. that was one of the questions that came up at the white house briefing yesterday, not just about the trip, but the prototypes themselves and the politics behind that. of people think the wall is too expensive. is there a concern he might be putting pressure on republican lawmakers? >> the president campaigned on this. he talked about it extensively. this is something that he is not going to back away from. from maryland, the conclusion on the house

committee. he said this in a tweet. . that is part of the tweet sent out by mr. hoyer yesterday. we will go to phones. hello. caller: hello. host: go ahead. ifler: i was going to say they didn't find any evidence against trump, it's been a waste of our budget. i do believe the wall is a good idea. attack against trunk. there's been an attack on me as

a voter for trump. he's talking about getting better jobs. a better way of living. to attack that is an attack on me. i am very grateful i don't have to pay the health care tax because i did not have enough money. host: why do you believe the conclusions? caller: i don't think he did anything wrong. werenk that the clintons racists. debbie wasserman schultz did not want it exposed. she may have killed that young man. host: let's go to the independent line. i hear you challenging people on why they think it sending it to early. the democrats had people they wanted to bring in front of the committee and the republicans are not allowing them to do it.

how long they went along with the investigations of hillary clinton. on, allt on and on and of these different committees when the republicans were in charge. they are very willing to spend time on their political enemies. the people who did not answer the questions, maybe the president is going to invoke executive privilege. they did not answer the question now. why didn't they bring a contempt against those people? they did not answer the questions. they had no right not to answer the questions. it's really biased. it's very obvious that the republicans are protecting the president. today, an interview with richard spencer. he is a white nationalist. suspendinging about

his speaking tour. that is trevor hughes reporting in usa today. you can find that on the website. columbus is where john is. you are next. caller: good morning. that theyted to say did exactly what it was supposed

to do. that's what they wanted to do. think weit's over, i can get on track to the real issues and stop the witchhunt. host: some of our callers have said the investigation concluded too soon and not everyone who should have been talk to was interviewed. what do you think about those claims? they would'vek posted it if it needed to be done. it's been a year now. if they can't find any collusion by now with all of the investigations we had going on, they aren't going to find it. it is spreading mass hysteria.

we all need to get together and start working on the real issues now. minutes, (202)15 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 784-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8002 four independents . they have a follow-up story on the bombings of took place in texas yesterday. they reported on the website. several authorities have joined the investigation. two people are dead in three people are wounded after opening packages left at their doors. half a million visitors are converging for sxsw.

that is from the austin american statesman. democrats line, jackie in georgia. caller: high. the investigation ended too quickly. i don't think everything was done. i don't know when americans are going to wake up and find out that there is russian collusion

with our government. i guess not until the johnny and is on a park bench. our constitutional rights are being destroyed on a daily basis. the republicans are reducing our rights. they are putting in judges that are not for all the people. what more do you think could have come out of the investigation if it went forward? could have come out? where is all the money coming from? there is money in the trump facility. that is being funded by them. host: let's go to michigan. hello. about allam calling

the collusion that devin nunes, he should have recused himself. why he's there i don't understand. tower.ting in trump everything that was done in trump tower and the line. how come they never interviewed kellyanne conway? everything should've been in the public arena so people could hear what was going on. the trump is it about tower meeting that is important to factor in? caller: there were seven russians there. hope hicks on the plane wrote a fake message about don jr. and his meeting. what more do we need that collusion did exist? host: the wall street journal looks at actions by jeff sessions.

violenceeing domestic could lose the right to claim asylum in the u.s. under a review of immigration court precedent. this is from people familiar with the case. we will go to linden, virginia. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. houselad this

investigation is ending. yes there is collusion, there is plenty of collusion. i am reading here, it says to together to achieve a fraudulent or deceitful purpose. if that trump tower meeting illegal, idulent or don't know what collusion is. ago, the people that represent the house or the get away with doing whatever they wanted to do. i'm glad we still have robert mueller. gives him the means to fire rob rosenstein. our liberties are being taken for granted. host: let's go to randall.

caller: thanks for taking my call. twost wanted to mention heads of the dnc had to step down. hillary destroyed a time of evidence. -- a ton of evidence. they hired a russian spy to create the fake dossier to get the pfizer warns. -- warrants -- pfizer warns. -- fisa warrants. host: the caller is gone. let's go to scottsdale. caller: i don't think there was any collusion at all. i'm glad the republicans came to that vantage point. if they believe trump colluded with russia to create the lowest unemployment we've had, and

strengthening the military. host: what makes you think there is no collusion? they've been investigating it for a year. the things that trump has done, strengthening our military, these are things vladimir put in would never want to allow. why would you want a president to do that? hillary sold them the uranium, 20% of the uranium, it doesn't make any sense. host: in the wall street journal, a look at international reaction from the president's desire to put tariffs on steel and aluminum. shegerman chancellor said wanted to overcome the trade dispute through talks rather than retaliation. she strikes a more conciliatory tone.

all of those details plus more in the wall street journal. this is from the financial times this morning. theresa may has accused russia theeing responsible for

reckless nerve agent attack in an english city that left a russian double agent and his daughter critically ill. she is giving russia to the end of the day to explain what . gary in pennsylvania, we are talking about the conclusions reached by house republicans. caller: i've always believed there wasn't no collusion on the trump side of the fence. if you look at the democrats, you've got all kinds of collusion. i hope they investigate that.

i want to know why hillary clinton is in another country. i don't understand that. is diane. hello. caller: people need to consider that this is a house investigation. do they have subpoena power russian mark do they have to answer? are they sworn in before they testify? are there consequences to lying? that with the mahler investigation, a legitimate investigation. there is no interest in making trump look at it by their conclusion that. people have to think about this, the background to it and they need to wait and see what the results are from the legitimate

investigation. host: the representative from connecticut is quoted on fox news on a tweet saying next caller in brooklyn. caller: thank you for taking my call. i wanted to remind everybody that the republican investigation in congress was a sham investigation. the real investigation is the robert mueller investigation. the: why do you classify republican investigation as a sham? caller: they locked up democrats. they are protecting trump.

they keep saying there is no evidence. we don't know what's in the robert mueller investigation. he's already brought indictments on people. it's an airtight investigation. putting off obstruction charges so he can keep going into actual collusion charges. stopped believing in these conspiracy theories about uranium one. go look up what uranium one actually was. host: let's hear from larry in washington dc. caller: there was no collusion. the collusion is that robert mueller is connected with james comey. there is no collusion. she did sell uranium. and 60. hundred

all to protect her. she kills people. host: ok, that's the last call. that is it for this segment, coming up where going to talk with adam brandon from freedomworks. he will discuss the plan for terrorists and laid -- for arriffs.ts -- for t those conversations will be coming up on washington journal. ♪

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remind people about your group and the positions it takes. >> we are a national grassroots organization looking on fiscal issues. what you think about the recent announcement about tariffs on steel and aluminum? guest: in a segment for her -- and the segment before you heard about merkel wanting to negotiate with united states, i want to see -- i do not think these tariffs are a smart idea. they should be a specific use against a specific country for specific reason. a blanket tariff is not helpful. i'm hoping our trade partners will come to the table and say what can we do in set of having a blanket terrace. host: what about the argument that it would strengthen the industry? guest: i love american manufacturing, i'm a cleveland boy, i love melting metal. that is been in my heritage and my family's heritage for a long time. but if you cut taxes, which donald trump did, if you roll back regulations, which is in

the process of happening, and if you look at other issues like workforce development and manufacturing -- they often say we need machinists and welders, and energy, if you look at the american supplies of energy. if you cannot manufacture and something in the red fits with those four things happening, you have to take a long-term look at the industry. we will never be fighting world war ii again, the next wars we fight will be cyber, may be over before they began with hacking and satellites. i would rather put my energy into their than try to make more metal for war we will not fight again. host: he talked about one gig exemptions, what about -- he talked about blanket exemptions, what about that strategy act go guest: -- the stretch that strategy? guest: the tax cut was such a good thing, we are hoping that

will take money back -- those tariffs will take money back from the power of those tax cuts. host: you can join in the conversation (202) 748-8000for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8002 for independents. you said targeted, should we have aimed it is -- at china? guest: i have a lot of concerns about china, but if we are concerned about chinese overcapacity, i want to be working with the japanese, europeans, and other allies to have a more coordinated response . when it comes to u.s. steel prices, if you have energy, regulations, taxes under control, then you should have --

host: what about george w. bush's approach to tariffs? there is a california steel producer that makes high-end products, thereby basic slab steel from brazil, the bottom level of steel production . but we buy that and we turn it into higher value products, what i'm concerned about is the effect of ford versus kia. it will now be cheaper to create cars in korea, but it will have a negative effect on american auto production. prices fordden everyone will start to go up, and the auto manufactured goods are harms. one of the people advising the president on this issue was is this something that your -- and larry kudlow was mentioned?

guest: i'm very excited about larry kudlow, he were to the reagan administration and he had a show on cnbc for years where he talked about economics and way people can understand. and the president trust him, that would be very helpful in trying to communicate this message. and he is not a big fan of terrace -- tariffs. that the president is going to see if there is a battle, and i think that larry kudlow shows that we should be looking at overall growth. we should have people and were coming back into the workforce. have half percent unemployment in the future, and at that point we should be looking at protecting jobs. that is as full as you going to get the economy. i hear things coming out about --fare reform, that would be

part of the quarter senate that would be job training. let's get people retrained to be part of the new manufacturing renaissance. host: you talked about the tax cuts, one of it was the ultimate price tag, is not a concern of yours? host: that -- guest: that deficit is one of our main concern, we're looking at $22 trillion of debt in our country. but the only way to get the debt under control is growth. will i take a temporary jump in the deficit to pay for longer-term dose -- growth? absolutely. my bigger concern is the recent republican bill that just gorges on spending. that's more my concern. i would like to have lower taxes, higher growth, and holding the line on spending. much's going to be so money being spent, i think this

is not the time to be blowing the bank account. host: what is your organization do for these republicans, specifically regarding spending overall? as you can guess the folks in the house freedom caucus are our best friends. these are people were very and thed about spending long-term outlook of the country. we do our best to help them. there are a few of the people we support were along for the ride. i think only to members of the house freedom caucus voted for the bill. they're also flood in hurricane issues going on in their home state. but when it comes to this autobus bill -- this omnibus bill i think you're going to see many no votes, and republicans may have to get democrats to go along the spending.

i'll have a handful of folks in the senate and house who will's -- and we will support them as much as possible. midterm elections will be our opportunity to grow that margin, every year we want to keep growing so we can build a conservative majority in the house and senate. host: let's start on the democrat line in new york. caller: i have a question for mr. brandon, i hear you and others mention the rollback of regulations as being beneficial. i was curious, what are these regulations that are being rolled back? how do they benefit everyday americans? whenever you say regulatory rollback people immediately jumped to, oh you just want to pour stuff into the rivers, that is not what i'm saying.

we talk to people who are in manufacturing, there is a lot of unclear to that comes from different parts of the administration from the bureaucratic site on things on what they can do. the permitting process with the , those are thehs items that i'm referring to. also since we're talking that manufacturing and steel, if you want to put a steel factory in cleveland, we are to one. the epa will not let you put a second one because a particulate matter. i think most folks in cleveland would rather have another steel mill with errors that is little bit sillier -- with air that is then jobit sootier, loss. host: but what about safety? guest: do you mean public health safety? host: -- host: and others. rather than adding an

mint -- adding regulation, this administration has put a freeze on things. we will have a couple of years where we have no new regulations -- we need to have a few years where there are no new regulations added. host: on the independent line. caller: before you can have any -- ans put on industry industry, in this country we have to reinstitute a supply chain infrastructure for that particular industry. we should of had tax breaks at a high level for companies that start new supply chain infrastructure, then put of tariffs selectively. if you have a trade deficit with every single country, like we do, it's hard to do business. guest: when it comes to billing of supply chain infrastructures,

-- this is one the things i like about the tax bill so much, it speeds up the ability to expense capital goods when a new kind -- new company purposes it. i think the role of government is to free up the capital for businesses. these tariffsto and these trade deficits, i'm not so scared of a trade deficit as long as the country is prosperous and people are working. -- if we were in a nasty recession or depression, that is when trade deficits -- to climb because we do not have the purchasing power to go by things. from connecticut, on the independent line, stephen. caller: i very rarely agree with this group, but today i am. , and itnvested in steel has done pretty well this year. with valueo compete

added taxes, it is not just the chinese flooding the markets from south korea, but i also .nvest in aerospace it has done excellent innovation. in this value added tax is going to hurt them. tiednk a lot of this is into the conor lamb rick saccone race that is happening today. i think conor lamb is going to win, barely. once this is over i think we're going to see the terrace thing is that is steel country, western pennsylvania. i think this is a play for that. i don't think the administration explained itself well. guest: so the company the caller mentioned has done more harm to the american steel industry than the traditional producers.

when most people think of the steel mill they think of big, giant, hoping big machines. new court is a small mill, they go tohrapnel and production. that innovative model has been growing at the expense of your more traditionally integrated mills. that's innovation doing a lot to fuel job loss. the valuemention added tax, where you ship product to another country, -- the caller mentioned the value added tax, when your ship a product to another country and taxes added. i know paul ryan, that has been an area of concern for him. i think they'll be a smart thing to get into, to figure out how we can get more trade by equalizing that tax information.

for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. >> we have been talking a little bit about steel over the last little while. we are saving the steel, and a lot of the steel mills are now opening up because what i did. not all of my friends on wall street love it, but we love it because we know what it does. many plants have just announced over the last few days that they are expanding, opening, steel is back. steel is back. aluminum is back. that argumentut that steel plants are responding to this? guest: it's true. hometown, ao my

steel mill opened and it's bringing back a thousand workers. that is a great thing for those families. but let's take a look at where the products of those mills are going. they are used for drilling, and that mixed ruling more expensive. so in the long run you are costing oil jobs because you are protecting these pipes. i would rather see the demand for pipe go up, and that's what drives the reopening of the mill , not the artificial tariff because what happens when the tariff goes away? than those jobs will go away too. john, in missouri, on the republican line. about thewas calling race that got kicked off in the state of missouri yesterday. claire be supporting

mccaskill in this one. her opponent had been the attorney general in the state for sure. short period of time. i wrote a letter to him about a probate case, and i got a letter back. my name is john arthur, he sent a letter back to me title ii john oliver. -- he sent a letter back to me titled john oliver. steel, i'm a retired union carpenter. we build buildings with metal. there's nothing like american-made products. have a good morning, thank you for listening to me. host: i agree -- guest: i agree that there's

nothing like american made products. but i feel like we need to lower the regulatory and tax burden, and how about with workforce development, come up with a cheap source of energy, and we should of all the products you can make. the can't -- as for the senate race, we support josh howley.-josh he is one of the people on our list that we are supporting. what characteristics are due -- or requirements to have to have to support the candidate? guest: we work with fiscal issues, i always ask who you are going to model yourself after? are you going to model yourself we ask them to

define questions like in your view what is the swamp? theire try to figure out fiscal positions, are they going to be more like traditional small government conservatives? people run, then when they get here they change their positions. are they going to be consistent in their views? lot are outspent, they have a tenuous relationship with the party itself. we want to make sure that we have a plan for victory and they have a path to win. host: did you support rick saccone? guest: we did endorse them, but our priorities are going to be protect to -- are going to be to protect the current members of the house freedom caucus. people who are close to it but as well., we want to make should we protect our friends, then we

will look at races like chip roy in texas that could expand the ranks of the freedom caucus. , republicanstions probably have a single but load up or -- or low double-digit majority in the next congress. that gives an opportunity to expand the influence of our allies in the house. that didn't delegate full throated endorsement of rick's account, is that the case? saccone, is that the case? host: -- guest: i'd love to see them when, but our first priority is to protect our incumbents first. host: do think you will win? guest: i hope so. when i watched the money being poured into the race, that is one of the places we will never be able to compete. we have to get into the races

where grassroots activism makes a difference. but we will study the race, if he wins, why was it close, if he loses, why did he lose? host: what about the referendum on president trump? guest: there is always a referendum on the president. has a very modern economy, and pennsylvania's building a very modern economy based on health care. pittsburgh is the world center in artificial intelligence, steel is not as important to the economy as everyone is thinking in that is when my guesses, -- atguess is, when you look this race, tariffs are not that big an issue. host: let's go to new york, shannon on the independent line. you, i i have to tell have never called one of these things before, i watch them every day.

i felt extremely compelled to call because i'm extremely worried about our country. a there he sick mother -- a very sick mother of three children, we are a multicultural family. and the negativity that i see happening in this world, all , -- evenm all parties when i see people doing peaceful protesting, or just talking to someone. we see people negatively lash out all over the country. to hear them come straight from the president is heartbreaking. especially for someone like me who is stuck in a wheelchair, and bedridden with an illness that he -- that will not even be covered if i lose my insurance.

hope the caller gets the help and medical attention she needs. i do agree with her, i was just talking with one of my old college roommates the other day about the partisan nature. my college roommate was it a democrat, i was a republican, we used to drink beer and debate all the time. that seems to be missing. i think we are at a historic. in our country because the stakes are so high. we're talking about jobs and lives in the future. and the net generation is not going to have it as good as the current generation. these things are very concerning to me. like the rising tide and what that means for position in the world. politics is more important than ever, which is why it is more passionate than ever. i want to think that we will look back and say this is an amazing. in our history where we resorted things and then we enter a calmer. at some point. but you have to look at the rise and the tension it brings up local debate. it seems that we are more at

each other's throats, but if you travel outside of washington people are great. , love going to baseball games so yes politics takes a hard edge, but i think we are solid as a nation. line, fromlican arizona, jack, hello. first of all i hope that woman gets the help. god bless her. tariffso go back, these , if you look back over history this is going to turn out to be one of the greatest things ever achieved. mentation --k in 1978, 90%, or most of americans, touch their grudge

into their homes. they were made by american hands -- touched their garage and homes, they were american-made. just about everything was. the bottom line is all that you hear is that we cannot make it here, you cannot do this, we cannot do that, and all of these politicians -- if you know if -- no, if youat look back at history, if you look at our roads, buildings, furniture, we can do it again, we just need to stop worrying about the economies of the world . host: color thanks. -- caller, ranks. guest: you vote with your dollars every day, we can make everything you want in the nine states. but the question is the price. when you have so many americans living paycheck to paycheck,

some americans have less than $500. if you make a lot of these products in the united states, how many of these people will be able to afford it? we will have a lot fewer products, a lot less choice, and a higher cost. or would you rather have the market set it up so that when you go you vote with your money. i want this good, i want that good, and i want the world to compete to give me a product i want with the best manufacturing in the cheapest price possible. i think that is good for the middle class and the country overall. run, -- in the 60's the u.s. economy dwarfs the rest of the world. up population does not stack to the billion in china and india. if you lower the regulations, andtaxes, the energy costs, you helped in the workforce,

you'll make the goods. i want to see our goods leaving our shores and going to other countries. are you watching the natural -- the nafta negotiations? how would you rate those? do you think it is necessary to redo those? with nafta you are building a whole continent of prosperity. and we pretty well with that trade between those two countries. those are two largest trading partners. is problem with free-trade that while everyone is enjoying cheaper goods, the problem gets company -- concentrated in a few communities that get devastated when a factory closes. it is easy to look at an auto manufacturing plant that has closed, but you're not looking at other things. if you talk to farmers, arm goods are traveling everyday. -- farm goods are traveling everyday. more oflike to get

those communities who were devastated by trade, the goal should be to get them back up and running and back into the trade market for the future. want to achieve that, what has to be done? guest: my guess is that what will come out will be some tweaks here and there. i do not think it will be a rip about the nafta negotiations because we are important to each other. host: from michigan, on the independent line, darrell. good morning, this is darrell from detroit. the first one i want to make is that $800 billion of trade deficit is not free. we paid a thousand ways, food stamps, welfare, housing credits , the list goes on and on. workers who are not working who need the benefits that they need to survive on.

opening inand people that plant will no longer be collecting welfare, instead of -- instead of being on the federal budget deficit. for years we have had trade negotiations with all of these countries we've traded with, and we have aided -- and we have ended up with an $800 billion deficit. this proves it doesn't work. host: thanks caller. guest: the trade deficits are the strength of the american consumer. when you have a prosperous society it can afford to buy things. could not afford to buy things the deficit would go away. i would like to see the deficit go down, but i would like to see it go down because we are manufacturing things at a competitive level. the other thing i want to point out, because i think we are

were weout to the point can manufacture more and better products at a rapid rate, but i do not want people to think that there is a job coming back. most of these manufacturing facilities will be mechanized. 3-d printing will revolutionize the country. some people scoff at the idea, and increasingly a lot of the products we buy will be literally printed in a factory. the final thing and want to mention is that we have a 4% unemployment rate with people reentering into the labor force. this is one of the best times ever to be an american looking for labor. if we had a 15% unemployment rate, we should have a different conversation. but right now my saved jobs and we are statistically getting full employment? i think we should be looking at how to train the workforce of people can continue to move up the food chain. last with jobs created

month, do you think the figure will be sustainable? guest: i think so. i think with the tax cuts business have a very bullish look on the american economy going forward. that means there is more that the administration can do, and i hope that we can support them. if everything is a terrible in america, look at how people are making more money, going back to part ofd my favorite these numbers is the sheer amount of people who are out of the labor force who are reentering the labor force. those are people who are leaving welfare, and food stamps, to rejoin the labor force. some of those people will be going into manufacturing jobs, most will not be, most will be going into broad sector jobs. host: the president agrees with you, he just sent out a tweet saying that the economy is raging, people are getting better jobs, wages are up. vote for rick saccone and keep it going.

i would like to keep a republican majority, but i'm not helpinged in republicans, i'm interesting helping the freedom caucus and fiscal conservatives. a lot of spending in 2012, and not so much in 2014 or 2016 --nged in your organization changed. we are trying to retain -- we train our entire grassroots approach, we have close to 5 million people on facebook. media, and ital has a much better return than television, so we do not need to spend as much.

in every race we are always outspent, so we need smarter tactics, not just more money. host: in florida, on the democrats line, shane. caller: i have been watching for a long time, this is a great program, i don't love other countries have anything like this but it's nice that we do. -- i don't know if other countries have anything like this but it's nice that we do. we were talking about trade, we see with dictator -- we see what the chinese dictator, you are asking our investment community to go over there and make big dollars with them. and i will never forgive you for it. that is all i have to say. every time you people talk, you're just going to keep getting us into debt, because

you're going to make your donators happy. guest: i'm very concerned about china, i think that is the number one issue. at this point we do not have a national dialogue on this, when we were competing with the soviet union, every university had a study on it. we're competing with china now it is and as it -- an existential threat. the decline, but china is a significant challenge to the united states -- russia is on the decline, but china is a significant challenge to the united states. host: from north carolina, on the independent line, jerry. caller: thank you for c-span, thank you for taking my call. i'm a fiscal conservative, and republic -- and recovering republican. i would like to ask your guest how the world any conservative , whichor this tax cut

tax cut spending, they do not increase revenue. that is a fact. and the budget deficits by this could be voted for and to the future. we are going to put ourselves $4 billion in debt by the tax cuts to billion dollars. how could anyone vote for that? the first president history who did massive tax cuts, was john kennedy, and you saw massive surge in tax receipts. the next president was ronald reagan, you saw a massive surge in economic growth. i will predict that next year the u.s. economy will take in more money -- the federal government will take in more money than it has ever taken them before. we clearly do not have a revenue problem. what we do have is a spending problem.

i think the caller would agree republican deal that came out of congress, there was a budget buster in the upcoming on the bill, that is where we should put -- in the that isomnibill, where we should be putting our presser -- are pressure. we need to puts encourage into members who want to tackle these fiscal -- we need to put some courage and two members who want to tackle these school issues. host: bloomberg reported this morning, that as a separate -- as of february, fiscal income rose.d, and spending guest: it's hard to look at these things quarterly, you have to look at them over the year. for hisneed to look

longer-term economic growth, and the growth in history has only shown that a stronger economies are growing at a 3% or 4%. taxes will be there, the concern is the spending going out. host: what about as they raise rates to counter inflation? guest: ungraded go back to an old talking point, this is the problem when you do not have currency locked down. supports the who gold standard or at least a basket of goods to support the standard. lock down the currency everyone knows what its value is. with inflation, at the end of the year your $600 could be worth $90. i think the real issue in the fed should be returning back to a sound money, stable money system. host: adam brennan joining us

this morning, let's go to our republican line. hello. i just heard mr. brandon say that we are not going to fight, what we doing in afghanistan? what about what we did in japan, germany, korea? are we going to take the chance that we are not going to have a war and destroy our industries? and the quality of the material what wen from china, used to call chinese junk is now call chinese goods. i want to say that i hope they sacrifice a lamb tonight. guest: we get about 2% of our steel from china, when you talk about this market being flooded

with chinese steel it does not really show up, and with the caller was referring to the amount of steel you need for war, yes you need steel for tanks, but we purchase enough to meet that demand. but if you're talking national defense, if you look at where china's investing its resources, they are investing in rockets. new computing and quantum computing. they are interested in cyber warfare. those of the areas we need to compete. it does not matter if you build billion tanks, if you -- if they control your satellite to take out your communication networks, those tanks will not know where to go. i would rather invest in our military resources to fight the big wars of the future and be ready for them. host: tony, on the democrats line. caller: i used to be a proud democrat, i'm proud to say i'm no longer a proud democrat or republican because i cannot trust either one of you.

you spin. --you lie and spin. he look at the money that goes into military, that is our life. we are wasting our health care. our education. we are hated throughout the world. we are not trusted throughout the. we are not trusted throughout the world, by anybody. caller: i'm an african-american

a republican.o is i'm encouraged by the output of the economy with the steel and the aluminum. weanted to know what else beginning up in trade and other countries and how would that military military, and our

sisters and brothers in arms? guest: the military

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that eric comic book has read has diluted the comic book -- has diluted the reality of the back -- it was very strategic and around the country where they existed. they had all kinds of social programs, and they were threatening because they took on the system. whenever you have a resistant movement, there will be opposition. there is a quote that says that

freedom is a constant struggle. sometimes people think that if you do a few things, even if you have a win locally and everything is fine when you make a change, there will be a resistance. and there will be a push in the poll. -- and a poll. -- and a pull. we had all of this disinformation that was planned, it is still happening now in the black lives matter's movement, and other movements. you should look out for that. to be on guard and you have to know the key decision-making. this is so you are not as threatened as you should be. but the risk you take is that there will be efforts.

nonviolence is the way, because then you have nonviolent authority. all movements that express a tendency towards violence, i do not think it changes people's minds or that it does anything positive except injure people. host: for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. on the democrat line. good morning. that they concern is resistance, and the movement and it seems like we keep , we'reg out protesting not getting any results back. especially not in the pocketbook. always see wealth

abroad. what is the oversight of the ho prosperity of this -- of the whole prosperity of this program? if you are interested in economic issues, you should pick one, and it can happen locally. book i talkthis about presidents, you could resist at the local level, you don't need to go anywhere. there are problems in every community. i was reading about black folks in new jersey as progressive area they were concerned about the legalization of marijuana because they know that other ,laces where it has happened 85% of the people who own of the people who own these marijuana shops are white and many of them are put into poor communities where people do not get to make any money. if you have legislation in your organized andat,

putting a provision in it, some entrepreneur benefits for the people in your community, you can organize around any issue that concerns you in the community. , organizeconomics around that and try to get some entrepreneurship and some jobs out of any program. if buildings are going up, infrastructure, public work is in may, make sure that there is a percentage for the people that you are interested in and organize around that. these are examples. host: from illinois, independent line. edward. caller: yes, i don't believe in the progressive party, they are spending our tax dollars into something that is a slush fund for people to do not want to go out and make america better again. thank you. host: any response? i had not talking about any particular party, the progressive party -- by

whoressives, i need people are interested in making policies toward justice and he what was opportunity for all people. americansat most agree with that and i also think that we all know that there are many people in this country whether they are black, white, brown, whatever nationality they timeho are having a hard and who, in fact, need help. and we are not talking about people who do not want to do any adding, who wants to absorb our tax dollars. whether it is opioids for low income people that we need to be concerned about, whether it's the me too movement. there are all kinds of issues like uncontrolled that we should be working on. have worked within several administrations, what is it like to be a resistor within the administration? tost: i always saw my job

figure out how these people do things so that i can go back and tell the people who are organizing to change policy how the system works. you have to levers push and what you have to do to toe people do -- one way find out is to go inside and make whatever changes can make their. host: you previously worked within the reagan administration. guest: i was the chair of the civil rights commission and i happened to be around ronald reagan a little bit. he was a very congenial personality but i thought his policies which drove dozens of people to leave the justice department because they could not enforce voting rights and some of the other things -- he had a sunny disposition, he wanted to give tax breaks and thought the college discriminated against people of color -- there were all of these messy issues, enforcement of

title ix, discrimination against women -- host: what position do you own? guest: i was chair of the civil rights position. he fired me for criticizing his policies publicly. someone asked why did you fire her? and he said because she is not giving me any pleasure. i thought that was kind of funny. anyway, i sued him in federal district court because the law gave us the right to be a watchdog over the government. and to report to the public what the government was doing. and i saw that role as telling people what the government was doing. and the court agreed with us. host: from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. democrat. hold on. caller: hello? host: go ahead.

caller: i want to know, you have been around a long time, why are there a higher percentage of african-american millionaires prior to the civil rights movement than there are today? what happened? guest: i do not believe that is the case. i do not think statistics from the government, the reports would figure that out. but there are a lot of millionaires now. unfortunately, we are capitalism, so it is good to be a millionaire. peoplee in fact not the who are the vast majority of people 50 years after the commission reports and 50 years after martin luther king's assassinated who are suffering in the country. i do not know the answer to why some particular person was a millionaire though, i cannot tell you that. the book is history

teaches us to resist. how progressive movements have succeeded in challenging times. our guest is mary frances berry, she is the author of the book and a professor at the university of pennsylvania. let's go to wilmington, north carolina. democrat line, bob. caller: good morning. i just want to make a statement, i.e. quake the progressive movement as a terminal cancer to this country. america is the best place in the world to live and it has been for hundreds of years. the movement, this progressive movement is nothing more than a victimhood, socialism, and they are tearing down everything we ever stood for. it is disgusting to hear this moment stand there and lie about all of these victims in america. i would just listen to the comments -- guest: i find your comment very perceptive. because it has nothing to do with what i was saying.

i am interested in knowing what program you were watching. in any case, what i talk about was the movement and the parties in south africa which i think was a cause toward justice. i talk about poor people. if you look around you, there are many of them in the country. i talked about equal opportunity for people, problems with immigration policy and how we treat people in this country. immigrants,ion of but we have discrimination. the country is great, people want to come here because they see it as the best country in the world compared to where they are. but that does not mean it can't be better. it free of off of the constitution talks about creating a more perfect union. -- the preamble. we have lots of problems and i

think that people of goodwill ought to be working to try to improve things. host: within the book, you write this about elections. i wanted to get your thoughts along that. you wrote "one must keep winning elections, defund the games -- defend the games that social movements have been treated, workshops and a university seminars will not do it, online mobilizing and flash mobs will not do it. acting up and acting out will not do it. the age of movement politics is over." can you expand on that? is important to vote and it is important to -- it is too bad that a lot of people don't. but if we had better candidates, some people don't vote now probably what. if candidate actually did what they said they would do, one of the unfortunate things about firstis that he is the candidate in my memory who went around saying that he promises to do things and he intends to

do them. whether it makes any sense or not is a different story. there are many people out there who don't devote to think that they will just never do what they say, so politicians should make their promises that make sense and they should try to do what they said and people should hold them accountable. protest by itself will not change things. with running for people holding accountable, understanding the issues, will change things. we saw a large amount of people turn out for the 2016 elections, do you see that kind of enthusiasm heading into this election? guest: there is the same kind of enthusiasm. the forums, all around retaining the health, obamacare. which was a great time. we see it now with the gun-control movement and the

metoo movement, black lives matter. all of these groups that are vocalizing, local elections. alabama, where it every place had a candidate like the judge down there, we would see great turnout everywhere, let's hope. let's hope that more people run so they can get defeated. i think of the momentum will keep up and if it does keep up, there will be an election this fall so it depends on the people. let's go to mason, ohio. republican line. caller: thanks for letting me spout my question. we asstion is, what do citizens of the united states think socialism?

remember, our greatest thing in this life, as far as our country goes is on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. where do you stand on that, meta--- madame>? are you a socialist who believes in abortion? guest: the united states is a capitalist country. we know that because the constitution protects life, liberty, and property. property cannot be taken away from people without due process of law, that is in the amendment. capitalism, by definition, requires inequality. in other words, somebody has to be up and somebody has to be down. the question is who is going to be up and who is going to be down and will there be barriers placed in the way of people so that they do not have the equal opportunity to be up?

and what you do to take the rough edges off of capitalism is provided what some people call the safety net for people who need help, because we think that there are certain minimal things that everybody ought to have. believe in capitalism, capitalism is the economic system of this country. i don't think it is going to be replaced. you, then that helps those are my beliefs. host: from new york, independent line. good morning, i just have some thoughts about what she said here. she is accustomed to -- she always carried around the chinese dictators book in her purse wherever she went. communist china, and when she returned home, she publicly stated that their education

system developed socialist concepts and culture when she was working for the president, he actually was embarrassed by that and transfer her to a u.s. statesions civil rights in a different job. he demoted her. and that president bush fired her. i think she might be sincere, but i think she is -- i don't believe capitalism is the way to go. that: the first thing is -- those things you read were in wikipedia which somebody wrote in their years ago. when it was pointed out to --ipedia by the people that anybody who knows me know that i never carry a purse. even if i did, i don't know whether i would have mao zedong's book in it, and if i did, so what? carry a purse. and jimmy carter did not fire me and george bush did not fire me.

.ll of your facts are wrong the unfortunate thing about wikipedia -- the made some changes, so you should go back -- is that i tell my students that they have to have a source, as wikipedia for also, if you do -- spend all of his time answering false is that people said about him, he would never get anything done. i am taking that to heart. host: there is supposed to be a 70 minute walk out by students tomorrow. should administer leaders support that? guest: school administrators should support it, but if they don't and if they try to stop the students, it will make an even better media story and a better protest for the students if they in fact get in the way and try to stop it. --t: and so,

guest: it would help the issue as opposed to hurting the issue. they would be better off not doing anything even if they don't agree with the students. if they do try to stop them, when my little brother ran out of school when he was 10 years old with his buddies to go join the civil rights protesters place inn at the nashville, the teachers ran out and tried to stop them. that made an even better story and they ran anyway with teachers yelling at them in the street. things ind various the free south africa movement, people and tell us not to do this and it would make a better story. work on a college campus, what is it like for students who protest or resist on the college campus -- your experience growing up with protesting and resisting, what is it like? guest: aret: first of all, there

more protests going on it now than 10 years ago or whatever. universitiess of have learned how to deal with the protest, in other words, don't go down and try to run them away with police or do anything. the president of the university came out and stood with the protesters which is what i did when i was chancellor in colorado when there was a -- i'm out here, let's protest. problems with protests against people who have come to speak at the university who take positions that the students don't like. trying to shut them up. i think that is wrong, because i believe in free speech. i am a purist. let them come, let them have their say. yell at them, do whatever you want.

but don't try to close them down. host: walter's next from michigan. morning.ood i admire your passion and your pursuit of your beliefs and your agenda. i did hear you say something this morning that did strike something between -- african-american millionaires prior to this current society. because i have seen the history books clearing up that our people were forced to do things that they did not want to do. threat to do so, death. and i look at that and i look at the current situation and think about what is happening.

seem sustainable with the current consciousness of the people. what are your thoughts on that please? guest: if your question is whether capitalism is consistent , thethe beliefs of people point i was making about capitalism is that i don't think it is going to be destroyed or go away in this country, i think it is the system we have. it is constitutionally protected in this system. do isore, what we have to try to get some programs and activities and social programs that what sort of these things with people who are not at the top of the spectrum of equality. everybody talks about the pundits stop, the scholars talk inequality is

becoming worse rather than better, the gap between in the rich and before in our country. brutal,not have to be -- we should do everything we can because there is an epic about taking care of the least in our society. california, independent line. michael, go ahead. caller: good morning pedro and dr. barry. dr. barry, i was wondering if you could expand at what happened on standing off and what happened there with the ability of big business to overpower the fourth amendment? was standing rock an example of progressive optimism? guest: it was an example of progressive activism. at first, it appeared that a n, but bigd been wo business did use its influence.

i think that the protesters who support them should continue their protests. we have tohould do, put ourselves on the line -- it's easy for me to say sitting here when i am not there. but in fact, i think that the protests should continue despite the fact that it looks like it is a losing cause. host: we have a viewer on twitter who wants your opinion africafree south outcomes. guest: i think that we got rid of the thing we have to get rid of. africa isely, south in pretty bad shape economically , because the deals that were cut to get rid of that left the economy in the hands of the people bearing the country who control the economy in the first place. the price of political freedom and getting the vote was to give

up trying to figure out the economy. also, the example of zimbabwe was not a good example because in there, they insisted on taking away and changing the economy and giving them -- the economy was destroyed because the outside world would not give them funding or anything else. that example mentioned that south africa went along with the idea and it never did. to they would not try disrupt the economy and today, we have the same kind of inequality. it is worse than we saw when we were there and a lot of black money offed in making of the economy but there has to be another way. correct me if i'm wrong,

president reagan wanted to keep sanctions from going in to long-term -- guest: he thought the communists would take over. the communist threat. host: arkansas, democrats line. caller: good morning pedro, dr. barry. on thet clear regulations -- were they to keep the manufacturers -- not polluting the air, the water, and the land? country, our president brought down the regulations and everybody is up in the air laying out the red -- i amor them, how can still not clear on how everybody is so happy about the doves coming back with the air being polluted, the water, and the land. i need some clarity on that. that thel i can say is

idea of worrying about climate nixon,lution -- richard credit, it wasm his policy that clear the environment protection agency. it was richard nixon who created programs for environmental education. delegation torst work on environmental education which build on what nixon and his people had done in the time. initiativerepublican to work on the idea of pollution. so that now, what we have, is that we have all these regulations, the democrats have replaced these policies, the organizations. and now, what trump and his epa

and others are saying is that, in order to get jobs, they have lower economic productivity, we need to get rid of them. apparently they are getting rid of them. so, if people are concerned about that, there is always a balance between jobs on the one hand and getting rid of industries that pollute on the other hand. you see that all the time, we saw it in cancer alley in the where people were getting toxic fumes and dying of cancer. but some people said they wanted the jobs. that happens all the time. there has to be a strong movement that has issues. the other thing about issues, when you have a movement, you have to have simple issues. you have to have something that you can explain without giving a whole speech. don't, then you probably aren't going to win. and you can't have too many issues. on need to focus laser like

whatever it is you are trying to do, whether you are on the right or the left. and a stick to that and you might be able to make some change. host: i ask you about protest or resistance movements, have there been once you participated in that were not successful and what did you learn from them? guest: some of the things that we did during the reagan administration around civil likes issues -- it looked we had won. and we said this is great, we went away. and then they appointed a bunch of people to the federal courts and he had more than anybody else at the time and they overturned most of it. and by then, the movement to try to change it had dissipated as everybody said we already got all of the stuff done. on you end up doing, that shows that you have to be persistent

and you have to keep your eye on what is going on and work on it. take shall be the holder, the voting rights case. holder.lby v we had all these protections against voter suppression because of the appointees who were put there and we were not able to vocalize effectively. them, we were weak when it came to mobilizing of i can court appointments. overturned, gutted the crucial part. we have not been able yes to mobilize sufficiently to get it changed. host: how did you keep motivation? guest: that is the problem. people get tired, they got away. that isave one issue, why it's important to have an

issue that you focus on laser like. you mobilize around that issue, the likelihood of you getting don't repeale -- obamacare, take the tea party, but if you have 10 issues, or 4-5 different issues, people will be tired. -- you can'tfuse focus on a person. dating trump is not a resistance movement. him, but it is not a resistance movement. resistance is about policies and about issues. host: the last call from this segment run connecticut, go ahead. i want to apologize for some of the calls he received from my fellow republicans today.

i don't think there is anything wrong with having an opposing view, but i find some of the that constituted personal attacks on you to be offensive. i admire your restraint even though i disagree with some of your views. i think you are a model of how in thiscan act civily political climate and i want to thank you for your time today. that's all. guest: thank you very much. i don't mind being attacked, this whole program is about people expressing their opinions, whatever they are. do you have good relationships with people who differ with your opinions? guest: yes, i do. i love to argue. and i love to talk to people. once i did a radio show with armstrong williams is a body of

i have knownas -- armstrong for a number of years. we disagree about almost everything. but we get along fine. we have arguments, and sometimes we come to a point where i didn't see that, so we have a great time. i have known people over the i could fight with and i still have some people around the book is called history teaches us to resist, have progressive movements have proceeded challenging times. thank you so much for your time. coming up, we are going to talk to a former venture capitalist here to talk about his education reform message and what school could be. we have that only come right back.

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as much people as possible. >> q&a sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. c-span takes you beyond the headlines to explain in depth one significant news story that inshaping the conversation washington and around the country and you will hear from journalists, expect efforts, providing background, find c-span's "the weekly" as google playes, and ap on-line any time@c-span.org. host thost is ted dintersmith. author of "what school could be" good morning to you. >> all right. here.ton >> host: to you do you turn from venture cap list to a school reformer?

you golf,you retire, you are terrible at it. you decide theres something better you could do with your life. it is more of what i saw from innovation so having lived and lovation, know what is coming. massive amount of disruption that changes what is required career and citizenship be beyond what i think most people implications it has for what we do in the schools are profound, soon that focused on what i thinks the fondation of our school system. >> host: was it something specifically you saw? that?ead to >> guest: my kids were in middle school. schoolaille from the saying we have a new program to team your kids life skills. you went. advance. about it in why would it a be a new program? isn't that the heart and soul of schools? kids for life? it was not a bad program. videos of inwatch

lungance don't smoke and things like to. i got thinking about that. your bookou wrote in when keep its to the status of school and i want to expan on it. wipe ought millions of routine comeas it reshapes the penssies needed to think and tapping student for world that and absentst schools change in our and jeopardizing the survival of society. expand on that. fast forward.ou in 10-15 years every routine job from the economy. what happens to those kids that role out? we are seeing the dramatic shifts in citizenships skills and you know, the number of schools that teach checking. none. it doesn't happen. will learn but it is not happening. point i want to emphasize though we tend to say its the

teach ear fault. thet tach ear fault. the teachers are the heros of this. is one area of life encourage try where nonexperts tell the peg,s what to do and i my educationut perspective and not an teacherced classroom and that is why i took the trip andy went everywhere. we wanted to listen to what our to say bus they know what we should be doing. >> what school could be is the by ted dintersmith and we want to ask him billion the future education and the part of that. 202-847-8001 and machine 8002. tell me what you saw. the ideal school look like to you then. >> well, everything. out of my own pocket so i don't go where the fee but where the kids are.

of time in urial. spent time in western villages alaska. i do have a good answer. have been been to those skill schools? i wanted to listen and observe.d and one of the takeaways there is not an ideal school. there is not one school that works. that has been one of the foal lis of the education policy in model tory to take a replicate it. where as what i thought was happening that was transformational when teachers were trusted to do what they do kidsngage and inspire the to challenge their kids with things that the kids were actually really inest thered in can connect school the world around you and kids blow you away. it is not the kids you would think. is not the dressingal high ac dig performers and lots of surprises to be seen when you unleash kids on problems they care about. >> host: give an expel.

>> guest: fort wayne, north dakota, this kindergarten teacher, first year running the princeguess to the approximately and says wasn't to them do 3d prints. this the principal says what do about it? the former police officer, who got a teaching redemption, he said i know nothing about it. he say douse have any equipment. we have no equipment. how is this going to work? tabling the five year odds out to fort wayne they can raise money. did. great skill for the kids. he said i think they will learn and i will learn right looping them they did. they did well on the basic mt. and reading challenges, tests, because indiana is test driven and didn't suffer tip that. the kids could not wait to get into school and developing the kind of skills that could lead careers if they continue if they do continue with that but postally find things kids want to go and unleash them on that instead of make them do it. he said i require to do reading times and the people who tell us

what to do ever spend time with 5-year-olds. spend 90't want to mince in a row. they want to do fun and interest things to see the results of what they accomplished. >> well, you know, my basic ac attack awaist we should be supporting a lot more choice, not in which school but once you get in the front door of the school. one of the issues with the choice model that is by and larn, a lot of supporting a schools, you know, and, i aming a nottic. good, bad, indifferent proposals. to me, the really important issue is when you get inside of this school, how much voice do the students and to shape the learning experience? a lot of places that we hold up models it is, it is nonstop test prep and just submission tointo have a three percent gain in

hold in thatd other people's faces as some sort of triumph. the one thing, i see this all the time. it goes without questioning the test scores tell us the tale in our schools. i question that in a very substantial way. >> host: first call for you from williamsburg, virginia. a parent. this is randy. with tedu are dintersmith, good g ahead. >> caller: ted, i would like to doing for thebeen last 20 years. sadly, i broke my neck in industrial accident. builder-designer. so i had to figure out something else to do. with a was not going to go back to school. i went back to school. had a hard time sitting in the seat because i got seven screws mine head. during the time i was did at mcv,, it that is where medical, that is saw how challenged were recover fringe jr. rain illness myselfarted to educate on the nation at risk and other

things that promote community health, willness shall and in and out of school. i saw, i had lowbrow trailer force showing up in historic homes in these challenged neighborhoods so i decided to build a hybrid truck and trailer. side of that trailer, i put 30 bikes. made 1300 school site visits and go to public housing thatny host organization wishes a fitness component i deliver it. programs, professionals, equipment, and facility. >> host: got it. thank you. >> guest: i think he is engaging are kids in areas they interested in and bring teg learning to them into the school which is great. always god hear from somebody from williamsburg. to college there.

>> host: safe, hi. >> caller: yes. morning. thank you for c-span and all that he is do it to bring the bridge. am delighted with this conversation where the morning. that we are in reflective point with our educational system and i am indifferent as the gentlemen is to all of these different titles that we seem to be bringing theard with the reforms, word reform, you know, charter, as itr, particularlily, relates to the difference , in fact,aching and ofating opportunity learning, life learning, skills for our people. seems that there is only one group in this society that has been for the past 25 years given out a create ao teachers to standardized tests as a mash sure we are griding the school,

grading the teachers and abcdef grid tot declare that we have a system of accountability. now this started, actually, in florida, jeb bush,who was nod itcator, the gentlemen had a ba art history. yet he put forward a complete that now has gone to wisconsin,orgia, with this context that we are going to measure what the letter grade with the standardized test and that is going used then to grade teachers and parents. juan: h host thank you. these are great points. >> host: these are great points. i think schools i would say am watching what is going on with the kids. it is unbelievable place lifting prospects dee never obtain otherwise. you know, i write it about it in

the book. is great public elementary school where the kids man the it school.des new yorker eight, nine, ten-year-olds handling all the technology in school including learning applications for other kids. est this scores are not that great. they have to put on their wall, their door as you come in, this it is is a d school, excellent school. and it is like when you really standardizede tests i say to people, push for that. particularly legislatures and i asked them two ski quest. would you mind making your own standardized test scores public? think that is fair. if you insist we grade teachers accountable tos standardized test scores your own personal test scores ought to be public information. not many are willing to do that. go look at the question. me, theyou know, to important issue is when we have kids working at something in school, we ought to be able to a great case that is going to help them later in life.

mayhe best we can do is it come in handy some day or i know it is pointless but something grit we can do a lot better. you what fun is a lot of the driven stannosissed tests and will you look at the questions and say, i mean, really? make no sense to me. you know, back to this internationally. is treens. right. the such the most tested nation in the world when the way, oh, we are not going high other on the test. i tell people look tat the questions. look at the questions that our kids have to study for and accountable told in the u.s. stan dar. >> ed test space. night ap day. questions. thought provoking and largely outside of the bounds of narrow content. >> host: in florida, nick, hello. >> caller: hi, good morning, gentlemen. i would like to suggest a couple of courses and get response from your guests american civics in

eight volume interests the ninth grid and high school through the fourth year of college and the criticalg with thinking and make these that, youclasses so know, civics would be a combination of just that, also americanut history, heavy on the constitution, wonder if consideringvos is anything like this because it seems to me, all the problems we in mark is not the schools per say but the content. >> host: thank you. >> guest: excellent poise point. thank for the question. i am a big fan of that. we need to be careful in picking the spots and decide what is we want kids to master and make sure they do that instead of just checking off the and so i was behind the film called most look like to seed. that ap u.s. history which a lot of people think is a sister stud din k through 12. so the present day, the

constitution is less than one period. how do you learn what a constitution is about? what role it plays? how it determines how citizens with different pope is of view to make did he office are spending 12-15-30 minutes opp it. every kid covered the through 12n in the k or k through 16. yes. how many adults can explain it? it, talk incomebly about it. very few. and so i think those citizenship here i mentioned in the beginning great work in stanford where they askrg the skids, even the best truents, this is article or totally made up? all you need is a great looking foundingith a credible url and footnotes in it then the best students will say it must what we askthat is them to do. read it. retain the major boynes and be them back. >> ail bit more about most likely to succeed?

what led up to it? >> well, hated waiting for super and vill vide teachers which was grossly unfair and this kids want a lottery and all will be well. i just said we could do better. this search. i found this incredible director. best he's the documentarian in america today. he got interested in the project. the beginning he probably had traditional views on education but in the course two-yearlming over a period. he completely changed his view and so you see kind of a journey not explicitly but the shifting view of this suddenly realized school could be so much better in we captured two students a school where the teachers are trusted and to run their w their passions to engage their kid on about.s the kids care why isn't that something we do everywhere? >> can the viewers find this on-line?

website.yes the i turned down offers from all line company mothers film. why? i don't think we learn in front of a laptop alope. the point of the film like people together to thoughtful discussion. we had over 4,000 school we call itnow committee of offering where you can rent on behalf of ten people. you can rent for $15. want to know something that though.ns me 4,000 screenings around the world. the films had a lot of effect in u.s. it goes pirated in china and when i was in honolulu in jan i do a lot in the state of ha-ha. four people flew over from beijing to talk to me. we think over 1 million people watched your film in the last four months. what do you mean? groups kin china are doing in 10 to 25,000 people are registering to watch this film. 25,000 people. they do on-line q&a. other countries are not sitting

is thesaying, no i, that irony of the testing mentality, right. china says we got to get away that. you are the creative people. you are the society. ofhave been drilling system we will change that. then you lost your mind. you are trying to catch us on then back to the point that tapers know it doesn't make sense. non-educators are the once telling the tapers what to do. you know what? to listen tot teachers. our guest, ted different smith" what school you want to find out more about him, a he does, why he does it, by the way, 2:30 this afternoon, educate seg tary betsy devos will aper on the violence and school safety in front of the national tsa legislative conference. c-span and our radio app. from ohio, a parent, this is jean, hi.

>> caller: hello. here. >> host: go ahead. >> caller: i am calling because i really enjoy this conversati conversation. i just think is so idealistic; trying to change here. >> host: go ahead. the schools. some years old. i have been watching this for at least 40 years. just cannot change it. the curriculum is stuck they are teaching the same things to my nephews age 45 that age 25 nowmy son, being taught my nephew's children age 5, 8 and 10. change it. i went to the curriculum direct then county. have you speak to the borne runs the schools here in small towns unohio which is totally nep is tick you have entire generation of families who are the principals, the teachers, the cafeteria workers the quote on quote librairians and it is terrible.

books there older than me by the way. >> host: thank you. >> guest: i visited with what you are saying. i will push back. change it. seeing districts doing it. i write about the state of new anpshire which over eight-year period made massive transformation. do a lot now tin north dakota. they are doing bold, interesting things.eat there are a lot of impediments. thet of different piece in puzzle that impede and hold am confident.ut i i think enough people are seeing the past two or three decades of vis not worked. i think are starting to get a sense we could do something when they do, i would say, when i do my talks, i say, visualize the ten old you care about who says are you doing the right thing for me? are not, if we're not giving them the kind of them movethat lets

forward in life, we're so letting them down. the other thing that i will absolutely emphasize is that there is so money students out there that get told year in and year out about how they are not don'tient because they score well on standardized tests it has nothing to do with the talents sore gifts when they are in a different situation, i celebratingting and a lot of those. they connect with thingest this qair b. have remarkable acts to better. world >> host: this is michael from grand rapids grand rapids, michigan. >> caller: yes. is interesting you speak of the advantage of the students achieving but a the system, the state, for example, in michigan, restricting education doctor matcally, as you understand, if devos.nk about betsy with you a want to make three points. education. equalizeucation is to

education for all. '93's it was to teach language to folks. today, at least give. opportunity. if you notice, schools are resegregated themselves and disallowing black kids in general to get a quality education, and puts the on untrained parents, and the main problem wedcation, today, is that three funding of the public education by the state. >> host: interesting. point.t: excellent grand rapids, check out a great example. i write about where they aring there. on the verge of dropping out. they don't see a point in the school and unleash them on building their own boards. long boards, skateboard, where.rds, sand boards some are starting companies. some have gone burton boards in vermont. great job. a brilliant example of public toool educators innovating

engage with kids on something they care about that leads to career bath paths or working directly for auto body shop repair. on the social tick front, goy after the fact that we stated as priority to close the achievement gap, we have been wrong on achievement. we have been wrong on the gap. so with the cap, we talk about score gap, the amount of money we spend to educate our i taked talk about, mississippi, but you can do it any state in the country. two schools came out of the park. public schools night and day. the role of local property taxes of driving the amount machine nay goes educate kids. we got to give all kids a fair life.t there is something not really consistent on that front. on.achievement we focus we start to have more authentic ways for kids to express and develop their own profinishsies you see that the

kids are at risk are actually a at risk and stare down failure, think outside of the box, they never give up. a lot of did kids we think of as starts freeze up. the fact they may not fail. the fact it is not clear what i do to get ana. the fact they cannot help them as much. make it authentic. start doing something about the financial resource gap. >> bass you comele from the world of venture capitalism. what can large and small businesses do to help reform them as you would loo like to see? doing damage, start doing good. so many people in business. it breaks my heart. is easy. better test scores and more kids four-year college. the test scores. actually drive out the skills and mund seths the kids need ap reinforce what it is godded a. so that advice in you know, it

advice.intentions, bad what they can do, i have soon the most incredible things. will open the doors and share problems where middle school kids could help them. internships, real problem, let that learning, that is not, you fo he, take learning outside of and connect it to the community so i write about cedar rapids, iowa. big shout out, iowa based in. there is no school. experience that draws kids from all tree three in big rapidsools that guess to nonprofits what us got that ourou kids could help with you? comecome wrin shall smile, back. the students' success is they solve the problem. these kids are on fire. they learn so much when they have to solve the real problem. rent.curve it is relevant. it is current. it is a form of education. shouldn't it be a big part of what the kids are doing in

school? >> host: nikki in arizona. >> caller: yes, i have a couple i can get in.pe -- not the -- for the everybody is going to be a scientist. grades,for the younger i think a lot of kids are bored. i see that in my grandkids. i think a the idea that would be you had parents and come in, farmer, technician, a painter, come in the kids why they need to learn math. why they need to learn different and how exciting it could be and what they may living noto as everyone is going to go cocollege if a painter came in explained the painting, and not only would be that could you be a painter and make a decent living but opens up

for those that are not going to go to college to business. own >> host: thank you. >> guest: that is a great connecting kid was rear career path. a lot of careers will come and go. seeing that, having something to aspire is to important. i go one step further. am actually skeptical and people will say how can you say this? of theeptical that a lot high-performing science majors science.ing i think we should be respecting and broadening the role of which theyarning call career and technical education, vocational education, enormous amount of science they can learn from the master electrician so if our audiencesourage my when i give talks. google, m.i.t. graduation day, light bulb wire battery. it is a four minute video, three to four minute video and interviewed a bunch of students on graduation day in caps and

gowns and give them the same things. they say can you light it up they are. of course i can. me. is beneath blah blah. 800, blah none of them can light up a light bulb. knowsderstand who science. is think it p.h.d. that is god at formula definition and manipulation. there is a lot more to be learned with kids in connecting respecting the people that are throughout solving real problems. >> host: we have a few moments left with your guest so claudia from massachusetts, jump in. >> caller: hi. good morning. it is a snow day here. i actually vit off. about students learning critical thinking skills. one of the problems we noticed as the school, when the test scores did about done within one isthe first things they do fire the librairian and close the library. we are the ones teaching the credit call thinking skills but we cannot teach them when the

are constrained by testing and closing of libraries. >> host: thank you, claude why. totally agree with what you are saying. >> guest: when you look at when budgets go down. what do we cut this the things the kids want to do. do weudget gas down, what cut in the things that kids immediate to get good at. boss in venture capital in boston for years. i would say, i said it in the for "the boston globe." don't see a lot of moinvation going in the massachusetts area cast driven. m you know, again, what gets measured gets done then you have the questions which i have done. are these things that are going to be helpful to you later in life? as opposed to the critical thinking that comes when you are forg to a library and work the librarian and think about how do i gint side and get though issue. >> host: you have had the opportunity to take the concepts hill or talk to members of the education them?ment about

>> guest: yes, i talked to a number. find,k, you know, what i there is really strong agreement yes, i've talked to a number. is there is i find a really strong agreement because a lot of people, you know, you will have one camp that is really workforce development, and when i say particularly connecting learning to something real, more vocational training for all caps, not some kids. there is a second view that is like whole child development and anything else. help each kid find their strengths instead of making them do something that some bureaucratic committee tells them to do. widespread agreement. one of the things that bogs it down is we are compelled to feel like we need to boil down u.s. education with one or two or three numbers. you know, i always say what standardized walks in the front

door, real learning speaks out the back. we live in a very unstandardized creative innovative world. we need to model that in our schools and empower students and teachers to lead the way. host: ted joining us. the book "what school could be." the website. thanks for your time. guest: thank you. host: we are going to take it to a hearing featuring the interior secretary ryan zinke. people talk about the president's 2019 budget for the interior department. it is set to start shortly. we taken to it. -- we take you to it. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018]

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