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discuss democracy -- russian efforts to interfere in u.s. and european elections. ♪ host: good morning, it is wednesday, march 14, 2018. the senate returns at 9:30 this morning. the house is in a 10:00 a.m., and we are with you for the next three hours on the washington journal. we begin today getting your reaction to three key stories. first, yesterday's firing of secretary of state rex tillerson. also, the special congressional election in pennsylvania, where conor lamb is a head -- is ahead by a razor thin margin. and the planned walkout in

response to the florida school shooting. we set aside the first hour of our program to hear from you. democrats, (202) 748-8000 is the number. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. on can also catch up with us social media. on twitter, it is @cspanwj. on facebook, it is facebook.com/cspan. a good wednesday morning to you. we want to share with you the front page of the washington post. above the fold -- the story that happened yesterday, tillerson out at the state department. trump tweets the secretary's ouster. the cia's mike pompeo as successor. and another story happening this morning, the pennsylvania race remains agonizingly close. the democrat, conor lamb, holds a narrow lead in the district that trump won easily. and from usa today this morning, their story on a story that is

happening later this morning and throughout the day, the one-month anniversary of the deadly florida school shooting. a story about the walkout plans today, a nationwide walk out plannedis morning -- this morning. students are excited to demonstrate in front of the white house and the united states -- expected to demonstrate in front of the white house and the united states capitol as well. we want to hear from you. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. as you call in, we will show you on the pennsylvania special election in the 18th congressional district, this according to the vote counts from new york times, they are tracking up-to-date as of just before 7:00 this morning. conor lamb, the democrat, with 113,720 votes. recs a cohen, the republican, ,ith 113,000 79 -- rick saccone

the republican, with 113,079 votes. the race has become unexpectedly competitive. the associated press has not yet called the race, but here is a tweet this morning from nbc news. the are calling conor lamb apparent winner in that special congressional election, and a tweet last night from david wasserman, the cook political report, also a frequent guest on this program. he was tracking the projections throughout the night last night. he said just before midnight, bearing a major calculation error, conor lamb has defeated rick saccone in pennsylvania 2018 the associated press is not calling that race yet. no other major news outlets, nbc news calling conor lamb the apparent winner.

one more tweet from congressman brendan boyle, a democrat from pennsylvania. "when all of the votes are counted, i think lamb will end by 400-500 votes. the fact that we are winning in our plus 11 seat should terrify the gop. there are over 100 current gop house needs that are close old in pennsylvania -- seats that are closer than pennsylvania 2018." [video clip] >> people are so tired of the shouting on tv and in our politics. it is amazing what happens when you are in a room with real people who have real aspirations and real troubles. there are lots of ideas, there is no angry shouting. our job in congress is to attack the problems, not each other. [applause]

people want to be heard. they want to talk about serious things and honest solutions, not be drowned out by dark money, distorting the truth, and telling lies to our children. [applause] i am proud that you helped me to refuse corporate tax money. [applause] you helped us raise millions in small contributions. 86,000 donations. [applause] almost all of them small, everyone of them in the open, just like our campaign.

we were able to campaign the way american democracy is supposed to be. [applause] it is supposed to be for you, not just on tv, but in your town halls, at legion posts, in small auditoriums, on your street, at your door. lamb campaigne did not declare victory last night, the sukkot campaign -- saccone campaign was not willing to concede the race. this was rick saccone talking to his supporters. [video clip] >> we are fighting the fight. it is not over yet. we are going to fight all the way to the end. [applause] you know, i never gave up. i first race went late into the night, the second race was the same way. we're kind of used it is now, right? we are not giving up, but i

wanted to come down and thank you all. i know you have to go to work tomorrow and everyone has things to do, and i did not want to keep you here later than you really need to be, because we will be working late into the night and into tomorrow, but i want to thank you all, because i know how hard you worked. i was out at some of the polls today, i know how cold it was. you spent all of those hours out there for us, for our family, for all of you and for the agenda that we are working on. you never gave up, you never gave up on us, you never gave up on me, and i thank you. thank you. [applause] thank you. you guys are amazing. i'm am not kidding, you are amazing. you are so up heat, the salt -- earth, the salt of the the best people. i could not ask for a better blessing than to have supporters like you, and i am pleased that you are still here.

again, i do not want you to hang on to much. much. i wanted to say that i thank you ever so much. don't give up and we will keep it up. we will win. [applause] again, the associated press has not yet called the race. we will update you if and when they do. some ballots are still being counted in the pennsylvania 2018 special election. as cnn notes in their story about it, there is not a mandatory recount requirement in pennsylvania for individual district races, but individual recrs can petition for a will see where that goes. getting your thoughts on that race, rex tillerson getting post assterday from his secretary of state, and also talking about that student gun expectedoday, protest

around the country and in washington, d.c. as well. if you want to talk about it, democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. william is first in georgia, independent. good morning. caller: hello, good morning. how are you doing? host: doing well. caller: this entire thing that is going on with how rex tillerson and it finally being over -- ich one of these candidates, not candidates but individuals he nominates and places in positions of office either not wanting to be in the office, like tillerson was, being reluctant and eventually being fired. it is indicative of the process of each person that is going asore our government representatives, whether it be in the state department, or any

other department that is being represented. i just feel that if we are going to have people out there representing us, make sure they want to be in the office. make sure -- i thought he was doing a great job, but it seems day,ough at the end of the trump didn't -- president trump did not believe so. it kind of sad and me to see me to see thatd his tenure in office was ended just because he was not as enthusiastic or excited about being in the position. host: the headline in the financial times this morning, abruptly fired secretary of state rex tillerson had a difficult relationship with his boss as he sought to tame protectionist instincts. north carolina, democrat good morning. -- democrat, good morning.

caller: i would like to make a churches andut the the organizations that used to keep the peace. concerned.oo go took, we will lancaster, ohio, republican. go to head -- go ahead. caller: i just want to say -- i do not know if people realize this or not, but the secretary of state is fourth in line of our leadership in our country. , and hexxon mobil's ceo may be very talented and gifted in the business, but [inaudible] i am totally for donald trump. i understand him so well, like last week they criticized him because he works in chaos? aen i was working, i did

better job with things going on, and i think he is wonderful. host: what do you think rex tillerson will be room number four in his time as secretary of state? -- remembered for in his time as secretary of state? caller: because america is are not educated like will probably say he called donald trump a more on. we need a businessman in our not anotherand politician. iso not know hillary clinton -- dude you know, what is she doing in india? host: the wall street journal today with a chart breaking down , comparing his time in office to other secretaries of state, 423 days in office, based on

secretary of state still number, herson's expects to leave at the end of the month. this is the shortest term, except for lawrence eagleburger, who served for 42 days under george h.w. bush, and edmund muskie, who served 255 days under president jimmy carter. ais puts rex tillerson in brief statement from the state department yesterday, giving his farewell. [video clip] work remains to response to the troubling behavior and actions on the part of the russian government. russia must assess carefully as to how its actions are in the best interests of the russian people and of the world more broadly. continuing on their current trajectory is likely to lead to greater isolation on their part. situation is not anyone's

interests. so my colleagues in the state department and the interagency, much remains to be done to achieve our mission. of the american people, with allies and with partners. you all forhanking the privilege of serving beside you for the past 14 months. importantly, to the 300 plus million americans, thank you for your devotion to a free and open society, to acts of kindness toward one another, to honesty and the quiet, hard work that you do every day to support this government with your tax dollars. , we know, want to leave this place as a better place for the next generation. i now return to private life, private citizen, a proud american, proud of the opportunity i have had to serve my country. god bless all of you, god bless the american people, god bless

america. 's firing tillerson yesterday, the pennsylvania 2018 special election, and the student gun walkout today, those are our topics for our first hour, getting your thoughts on the gun issue. also today, the house will take up the first concrete steps to respond to last month's florida school shooting, voting on a bill to cajole local school systems and formulating risk assessment and safety plans, the story from the washington times, but far from the major gun debate demanded by marjory stoneman douglas high school students. they say while the nudge to schools is welcome, congress should be stiffening background checks and tightening rules on who can buy guns. florida, line for republicans. what is on your mind? because thesere kids walking out of the school, the parents [inaudible]

some crazy not out there. i think they need more mental health for these kids, to thinkte them, i actually the age for guns should go up to 25 years old -- 25-years-old. that is terrible. if i had a kid that died in grandchildren,ad and i am scared for my grandkids growing up in the school. i think i was doing a good job, but trump fires too many people. host: are you a gun owner? caller: i was previously a gun owner. rid not have it now, i got of it. i used to hunt. you: is there any reason got rid of your guns? hunting is something you do not want to do anymore? caller: killing deer and stuff like that, i really didn't like

that too much. that was back when i was younger. i don't like them anymore. i don't even like being around anybody -- i don't think anybody should have a gun unless they , unless theyor it are being attacked or something like that, maybe some teachers should have protection for these kids in school. it is crazy when they are going around shooting kids in school. when i --ars old, 62-years-old. when i was growing up, they did not do that in schools. this is a scary world we are living in. host: robert in florida. also in capitol hill on the gun issue, the senate judiciary committee will hold a hearing on's safety -- school safety and the february 20 should -- february 14 shooting in

parkland, florida. that starts at 9:30 this morning , and is being aired on c-span3. you can also watch it on c-span.org and listen to it on the free c-span radio app. ashley in maryland, line for republicans. which of those topics do you want to talk about? speak to theted to gun issue, as an educator in maryland. it is something that is a hot button issue, but it needs to be addressed. unfortunately, our lawmakers are only responding to the lobbyists as opposed to the people they are here to serve. host: mike is in illinois, line for independents. good morning. caller: good morning. i am concerned about why it takes so long to get the election results?

why can't we get them sooner? host: you are talking about the pennsylvania race? caller: yeah, why are we waiting for people to mail in their votes? startedt they have touting earlier in the morning that day? host: do you think late vote counts and waiting for election results has become a bigger problem in recent years? caller: it doesn't make sense, with computers and technology. we seem to be in the past. another issue is while we are talking about this gun issue with high schools, if you really tvnk about it, it is all the , all the cnn, breaking news, this is what is inspiring kids to do what they are doing. to blackld pass a law out any coverage of any shooting at any school, like they have

blackouts in certain court cases? nobody is allowed to talk about it. causing that.s that is the publicity that these crazy people think they are going to get by doing these things. host: that is mike in illinois. walkout wednesday is the ,eadline from the metro paper out of new york city. students across the nation will walk out of their classrooms today to honor the 17 people killed in the parkland school shooting, one month ago. yesterday, a different kind of demonstration on capitol hill, some 7000 small pairs of shoes, memorializing the children lost to gun violence since 2012. the front page story of the washington post talking about it -- the shoe demonstration also represents children slain by guns since the sandy hook shooting in 2012.

networkbal activist in socialampaigns issues, and sent a message to congress about the toll gun violence takes. those are some of the scenes from capitol hill yesterday. there will be some student demonstrators wear those shoes thoseis morning -- where shoes are this morning, and they are expected in front of both the white house and the capital. carl in massachusetts, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. excuse my voice. had allerson, i never strong opinion one way or the other, but to me he seemed like a normal human being. i heard trump is considering pompeo to take his place. that guy scares me. a couple of times i saw him speak on tv. he seems to me like a sadistic

warmonger with a smile on his face. that is just my opinion. as far as the kids, i love to see the students out on the streets. the only thing i am curious about is who is backing them? is it somebody like soros or some group who is organizing it? are two things i had to get off my chest. thank you very much. host: various activist groups are supporting that student walkout this morning. i will get you some of the names of some of those groups. i know the brady campaign against gun violence is one of isse groups, the every town also part of that process. i will look for a few others as well. stephen in oregon, republican. go ahead. caller: yes. i am a gun owner, i used to live thefrica, i have shot

biggest, most dangerous game on gun. with four shots in my i like to hunt ducks, and you are only limited to three shots in a gun. ima surgeon also, i have taken care of kids that have been shot also, i havegeon taken care of kids that have also been shot in schools. to insist that the second amendment will allow for these high-capacity weapons is absolutely a lie, because we have had the brady bill in the past, it did not interfere with the use of firearms. i am very much in favor of these kids raising as much awareness havingridiculousness of military grade weapons available

to anybody who wants to walk in the door and buy one. the narrative is bad. the nra knows that the public is somewhat ignorant about firearms, and they prey on that ignorance. host: how many students have you taken care of who have been shot in schools? schools, one. in incident, i took care of one of those children. had that child been shot with one of these ar-15's, she would not have survived. she was shot through the chest with a pistol or some low velocity gun. host: how old was she? say she is about 12, 13, 14, somewhere in there. did ithat shooting,

change anything in eugene, oregon? caller: well, we have not had one since, i will say that. state, but liberal there are a lot of hunters out here and hunting is part of the culture. detailsnot aware of the in terms of protection. i do know that i spoke at a high and we had toar, check in at the door. there was not free access in and out of the high school, but i do not know the details. we came and went more or less as we please, but the last time i went into the high school, you had to check in at the door. host: thank you for sharing your

story from eugene, oregon. a caller was previously asking who is supporting this walkout event today. the washington times has a story about it -- 100 different activist groups have added their support to it, ranging from gun control organizations like the brady campaign to democratic allies like planned parenthood. the aclu has also issued legal guidance for students about their first amendment rights, including what to expect in terms of consequences, such as unexcused absences and urging schools not to discipline students who participate in that walkout today. texas, and independent. caller: good morning, and thank you for c-span. i think shooting could have been prevented on february 13. i had the fortune to go into sometime nearol valentine's day, when i was very

young. i experienced something i had never experienced in public school -- the nuns had us give valentine's day to every student, girl and boy, everybody had to do that. it had such a softening effect on my heart. i had never experienced receiving valentine's day cards. i think this poor lonely guy, who had already lived through some horrible abandonment issues and was dealing with that, i think his heart would have been quite softened had he gotten some valentines cards from takings who were truly their in local apprentice -- in loco parentis to heart. not so much this horrible, competitive world that our capitalism is starving for the next consumer. that is all i want to say. thank you. headlines yesterday

noting that in that school shooting, the shooter, prosecutors will seek the death penalty for nikolas cruz, the alleged shooter in that incident. on february 14, on valentine's day, in which 17 people were killed in parkland, florida. highland park, illinois, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am totally in favor of the kids walking out, but i think the latest proposals of arming teachers is ridiculous. most cops, when they response to a gun call, will wait for backup. could you imagine one teacher with one gun responding to shots fired inside a school? you cannot even locate where the shooting is from, plus there is absolutely no backup. the idea of gun safety in schools is to keep the guns out, and that is why i think we should employ our national guard

to patrol the perimeter of our schools and also inside our schools. we have plenty of soldiers around the world in ridiculous wars. bring them home, let them safeguard our kids. think this guy connor in pennsylvania, he is definitely a presidential candidate. he has a good, head, he is young and he is vibrant, and i would vote for him any day as president. i appreciate your program very much. host: the philadelphia inquirer, the front page. out to a wire, by a hair with a few boats left to count. lamb holds a narrow lead in the district trump won by 20. it is cause for republican worry . there is conor lamb, talking with reporters after he voted yesterday in carnegie, and republican rick saccone after he visited his polling place in mckeesport yesterday. diane, colorado, republican.

go ahead. caller: hi. a victim of the message violence and sexual harassment in my lifetime. i am 61 -- domestic violence and sexual harassment in my lifetime. and the fact that our president does these kind of things, it is deplorable. it.ve ptsd from and i cannot stand back, we have a man like trump in office. [inaudible] be it gossip or whatever. it is wrong. host: what you think of the people who the president has surrounded himself with? has he surrounded himself with

the right people? caller: no. ,on't surround yourself actually, you should have learned something in a political science class. i did. i have an associates degree that i can't use, because i'm very much disabled. that is another thing he has done. he is taking potshots at people like me. he takes potshots at women, he takes potshots at the poor, he takes potshots at the american potshots atakes everybody. host: diane in colorado this morning. here is a story from the new york times, the veterans affairs secretary might be the next one ousted. the story noting that president trump, fresh off of replacing secretary of state and the cia

director is considering firing veteranstary of affairs and installing energy secretary rick perry in that post, according to two people close to the white house. mr. trump did not make a formal offer to mr. perry when the two men met on monday, people said the president is growing impatient with the department's current secretary, dr. shulkin, and might want to replace him with someone already in his cabinet. this follows weeks of bitter infighting at the veterans affairs department, where dr. shulkin had faced off with a prominent group of trump administration appointees who want to see him removed from his office. the dispute goes beyond to a struggle over how far and how fast to privatize health care under the be a system -- the v.a. system. tim, ohio, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to talk about the pennsylvania race. it is pretty clear that conor lamb has won that race,

narrowly, over mr. saccone, in a district that voted for trump by 20 points. we are next to the 12 district, and i think that district with two trump by about 12 points. -- went to trump by about 12 points. and as far as tillerson being fired, this is how you treat somebody who, the secretary of state, they find out on a tweet and --y, as mr. twila's tillerson so aptly described the man in the white house, this is not how you treat somebody. thatnk it is indicative across the country, these legislative elections where democrats have lived something like thirtysomething races around the country -- flipped something like thirtysomething

races around the country, multiple house seats have flipped, now this seat. i think the trend is pretty clear. have a good day. host: in terms of how rex tillerson was treated on the way out, a story in the washington post on that topic. in the end, no one was more surprised that tillerson was fired in tillerson himself. as recently as monday night, and eight said that tillerson was staying put in a statement from the top eight about five hours after his plane landed at andrews. tillerson made clear that the between the methodical former corporate executive and the mercurial president was as white as ever. "the secretary did not speak to the president and is unaware of the reason," said the under secretary of public diplomacy, who was himself quickly fired for contradicting the white house yesterday. , mr.s farewell statement tillerson did not think mr. trump individually or even

mention him, beyond saying that trump called him two towers before -- two hours before. bill, georgia, democrat. how are you? caller: how are you? host: doing well. caller: you know, dr. martin luther king said something about loving your enemies, and in a ,orld that is so bent on hate analysis of cause -- someone has to hit the switch of love to change things around. i do not believe in violence. i grew up on violence, but i found a refuge in nonviolence. not a scared place to hide, but a good place to get molded for the world, the world of love we are trying to bring about. president trump, like some of the colors that i heard earlier

about him -- callers that i heard earlier about him putting down this and putting done that, i am not for that. traits that i life, like putting jesus christ first and excellence in jesus christ. peace that kind of stuff, and jesus, but i have been a democrat all of my life and i do not plan to change. i am not for them doing anything to increase the violence, but i -- i try to practice nonviolence, i am tempted to be violent. i am a security guard, and there to be violent. sometimes, you will end up issued or yourself. host: rich and ohio, a republican. go ahead. caller: good morning. with the modern

age in the electronics we have, why are we sitting around with absentee ballot not counted? we open ourselves up for problems if they do not come in before the elections, and have them all counted electronically. in this day and age, there is no excuse for that. that, onore we leave the ballot issue with the concerns about interference, russian interference in elections, there have been some calls to go back to paper ballots, that they might be more secure. what do you think about those calls in light of this concern about waiting around for vote tallies? caller: in our area, we do both. we vote electronically, and a back up paper ballot can be audited. it does a lot. here, the military ballots probably are not even counted.

it is a legitimate question of where the hell are they? i think people to prey on them, and we have a good knowledge of what the answers will be. this was an awfully tight race, but there will be other times it comes up as well, and it gives people a chance to play in the election. the russians could play, but we could play as well when the votes are that tight and they start playing around with it, rather than all the votes come out. the other one is on the backpacks for the kids. we should consider not having backpacks and reduce the homework for the kids. if we are going to have backpacks, metal detectors are probably one piece of the solutions. not sure on your answer on military ballots, but absentee ballots are continuing i believeted, and

military ballots are included as part of those. we will look for that information for you. robert in michigan, independent. robert? caller: good morning. i am sure that we all want our students to be safe in school. there seem to be two approaches as to how to a college that. one is the hardening of schools and the second is the allowing of certain guns. i am certainly not for arming all of our teachers. i think there should be professionals in there, something more discreet, like an air marshal. nobody knows what they look like. bansecond approach is to certain weapons, the assault rifle, somebody called earlier and said they are far more lethal than the other weapons, handguns and such. i guess that would leave us with two scenarios, we could take a photo of the students that were horrifically murdered and say well, if no guns are allowed in

school, we could put a circle around all of them and say these people would have been saved. as the other caller said, let's reduce the liberality of the weapons that we cannot keep from coming into schools, then you could circle some of the students. maybe it will take accommodation of both processes, but i would make our schools as safe as our courthouses, airports, and our public federal buildings. host: what do you think of this walkout that is happening today and the students, and the voices they have raised in this debate? caller: i think the students certainly have a passion and they are committed to their approach. it seems like the limited amount for the walkout, let's walkout only if you are in favor of limiting second amendment rights. i would rather see folks say well, we are walking out for other actions as well. we want to see better protections in our schools, and i would like to see that it includes both of those approaches. host: the editorial board of the

new york times today elevating the voices of some of those students from the florida school shooting. we stand with the students is the headline on their lead editorial, with wednesday's demonstration and the march for our lives on march 24, young voices from parkland are being heard. how will america's results -- adults respond? bye the fight -- hopefully amplifying the demands -- never again. one of the students they quote on the editorial page is david hogg, a senior from the parkland high school, saying "the fact att some of the students stoneman douglas high school are showing more maturity and political action than many of our elected officials is a testament to how disgusting and broken our political system is in america, but we are trying to fix that." a few tweets on the topic of the student walkouts -- glad to see

the walkouts. this young generation will have willange what the older not. schools be known, if you are going to punish those who walk out, don't go further than any other unexplained absence or you are starting to infringe on first amendment rights. theent liberty rights walkouts are a brave statement, let them all the same. the firing ofon secretary rex tillerson -- the reason president trump has fired so many people is because he was not a prior politician and not familiar with as many of the possibilities he want for his cabinet, like those already in d.c. would be. the scar rexall have the rest of his life will be the one that trump gave him. he was widely respected before he started working for trump, now he is retiring as one of trump's stooges. you're fired. independent in missouri, go ahead. i have to hit the button for you, go ahead. caller: sorry.

i'm calling because [inaudible] host: are you a high school student? caller: yes, i have a senior currently. host: are you planning to walk out? caller: yeah, the whole school is organizing, a staff organized walkout for the rest of the students. host: the staff as part of this as well? caller: yes, the staff is organizing the walkout for the students to we can stay safe. host: where are you going to go? what is going to happen when you walk out? tell me about your morning. itler: generally, i am sure is going to start around the time the shooting started in parkland, in remembrance of them. it will last 17 minutes, and we are all going to go out and stand silently with parental guidance. host: what does that mean, with parental guidance? caller: the students are

themselves going to walkout of the school without any supervision, we will be led by the staff so we do not have to walk off of school grounds. host: is this an issue you have thought much about before, what happened in parkland -- before what happened in parkland? is this a new issue for you? caller: in terms of being worried about a school shooting happening at my school? no. i had never considered that happening. the thing is i go to a city school. always had armed security that went to our school and made sure the students were safe, so i have never really considered there being a security issue. host: what do you want to see change, michel? what are you walking out for? gun laws want to see change. i want to see that there are more responsible gun laws so something like this could not happen at school. host: how do we do that in your mind? background checks? new bans on certain kinds of

weapons? caller: i think it is a combination of a lot of different changes. checks,more background in-depth background checks, and make a good amount of changes so people cannot get their hands on guns or gun accessories to fire high-capacity weapons. host: what kind of school start this morning? caller: 7:00. host: good luck out there, say safe as you do it. call in and tell us about it. david in georgia, independent. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for washington journal. ok. are tillerson out, the student gun walkout, and the pennsylvania race. i will start with a student walkout. it is ridiculous. the majority, at least the [inaudible]students

they are getting out of school. they know the 30 minutes to go out is going to take at least an hour to get the disruption control. wantsa's education system surveysn half in most than the rest of the developing countries in the world. you go to tillerson, skip over to that. we did not know anything about him. he was one of those that shied away from the camera. flexible as you learn. gladennsylvania race, i am you have it down as undecided. it is not all the votes, as far as absentee ballots and the vetting of who actually voted legally has been uncovered yet. so that race has not been decided, but it is interesting

that this so-called "moderate democrat" has done exactly what the rest of the party will not do, and he has denounced nancy pelosi, and he has a moderate view of gun laws. ten away fromy got the democratic resist metrics. thank you. host: david in georgia. here is the front page of the tribune review out of pennsylvania this morning. to close is the headline, lamb holds a razor thin margin. as of this morning, it was one 113,000 720tes -- 3,720 four conor 9 for rick07 saccone. good morning.

i would like to say thank you for c-span. i have called before, and i enjoy being able to join the discussion. that bless america and god bless president trump. i want to talk about the students walking out. the gunating about control. i believe -- i am not sure how much these kids even know or understand about what the revolutionary war was bought for, what the bill of rights is, i believe that a panel of teachers should sit down and interview each child who plans to walkout to see what they even know about. these are high school kids who live with their parents, they own nothing, they are responsible for nothing, they have not raised any children, they do not have jobs and do not how to answer to anyone, and this country is a combination of responsibilities. i would tell them what i told my children -- i was in college during the vietnam demonstrations. i did not join in it because i had an education to complete, and that is what i told my children. if they wanted to demonstrate, i

told them, get an education first and then i will listen to your opinion. school, finish college, and i will listen to what you have to say. tose kids are intending impact the rights of law-abiding citizens -- i am a 68-year-old grandmother and i believe i have the right to do what i want without some 16-year-old child telling me what to do. when the shootings are happening in schools, do you think they have a right to be heard on this issue? caller: i think they have a right to be heard, but i believe we should be taking some practical steps. idea. teachers is a good i understand about carrying a gun and the responsibility of that and the training of that, and if it is something that you feel capable of doing you should be allowed to do it. they should have an opinion, but it should be put in its place -- the opinion of the 15 or 16-year-old child that does not understand how the world works yet. host: christina at ohio.

more abouttalking gun laws and efforts in congress to move various pieces of legislation. we will be talking with congressman mike thompson of california, coming up in about 10 minutes this morning. yesterday on twitter, mike thompson and the california delegation led the house moment in silence in memory of the california,ed in?, le, california,il shooting.ns home we will talk about that with him in the next segment in -- in the washington journal. jenny, line for democrats. caller: good morning, thank you c-span. points.ling with two first, rex tillerson was treated terribly, but i think he knew when he got in bed with donald trump that he was involved with

a jerk. as for the schools, i feel very sorry for these kids. i think we have really let them down. the adults are the ones that should be out getting the guns out of our society. the schools, these enormous factories of thousands of students are a rat race situation. our kids are depressed because of the schools. nobody knows their faces and names because there are too many . i feel very sorry for this generation of kids. thank you, c-span. a story from the washington times today -- as the student who called in a few minutes ago pointed out, some teachers are also expected to join the student walkout that is happening this morning. it is expected that some students will show up at the white house and come to capitol hill. we are expecting some members of

congress to address those students who show up on capitol hill. we will see what happens with that walkout and those protests later this morning. charlotte, dayton, ohio, line for republicans. no ahead. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. i wanted to voice a couple concerns. havingas voter fraud and honest voting, i don't understand what the big deal is about not having voter id? we have to have an id for anything, drivers license, library card, social security check or bank account. i do not understand that? there is all this fighting over the russian collusion and all that, and what about just simple voter id laws? no one is concerned about that. it seems kind of hypocritical. , ifar as the gun issue

believe in our second amendment rights. the countries that have tried to disarm their citizens -- but i do believe in doing sufficient background check and for mental health issues, things like that. but i am afraid our students are ,ot being taught their history and from what i and from what i am seeing, even with my own socialistic ideas and they do not have their history. it is really sad. another point -- host: what is an example of a socialistic idea that your grandchildren have mentioned that you think has been taught in schools? caller: that everything should be government sized -- governmentized, everything should be socialized and governmentized, and that capitalism is evil.

host: what do you say to your grandchildren when they talk about those issues? caller: i just tell them to look at other socialistic ideas in other countries, where it has failed. a free-market society, a person can rise to the degree of their , where an and talent oppressive, socialistic society that is not, you know, viable for a student or for anyone. for the cop wrote -- it is more worker drones for the common good. i am really concerned about our .ducational system also, i do think our schools need to be protected. our federal buildings, everything else is affected. and theyare precious should be worthy of having that protection right now.

it is really sad that it has gotten to the point of guns being in the school now and murderers and things like that. it is really sad to see how society has declined, and i would like to make an interesting point. you can see the decline since 1963, when prayer was taken out of school. the main thing they were lawsrned about were spit being shot. now it is bullets being shot. host: charlotte in ohio on the issue of guns and legislation. is stop school safety act the bill that will be taken up on the house floor today, a bill to push for schools to formulate risk assessments, have more safety plans, more funding for those issues. as the washington times points out, it is far from the major gun reform that those on capitol

hill who are looking for new gun control laws have pushed for in the months since that shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school. that happening today on the house floor. one more story in the few minutes left that we have in this first segment of the washington journal, an issue we have been covering is the vote on right to try. the story from the washington post today -- in a major setback for republicans, the house rejected right to try thatlation tuesday evening would have allowed seriously ill patients to bypass the fda to get access to experiment treatment. the vote came after a spirit of debate, in which gop lawmakers trade the measure, which has been strongly backed by president trump and vice president pence, as a last chance at survival for desperately ill patients. emma kratz said the bill would weaken fda protections without addressing the fundamental obstacles to experimental drugs.

the legislation failed, -- garnering 259 votes, because it did not get two thirds of the house. line for independence, go ahead. caller: thank you for having me. i am calling because i have a teenage son who is participating in the walkout today. we had a conversation yesterday about it. i asked him if kids were talking about it and he said yes, he was going to do it. i asked him why, because i was curious to see -- we are hearing a lot of stories about gun control. he said it was for the people that died. that is how he looks at it, he is honoring them. so their school, the school system is giving them a place, instead of walking out of school, they are allowing them to walk into the gym, where they will be safe. that was the idea behind it for his school system. host: has he ever talk to you

before about fear of guns at school or gun violence in school? caller: not really, which is kind of interesting. lockouts at school, after the shooting in florida and he wasn't scared, he was not nervous, so i'm not sure if it is just being a teenager and thinking you are invincible as well. host: we had a caller before concerned about students having too much say in this debate, that legislators should not let this early let them control the debate -- necessarily let them control the debate here. what do you think the proper role for the student voice is? caller: i disagree with that. i hear a lot of that, and i do -- i do notkids think my kids are being taught a socialist agenda. i look at what they are learning, and they are learning about the u.s. government and history. , it is a big movement

inspiring to me that these kids are doing this. sure, maybe some of them are doing it to get out of class, but a lot of them are aware of it and know what is going on. i think they should be part of the conversation. host: not in new york, republican. go ahead. caller: good morning. election inpecial trump -- d are you still there? i think we lost his line. he is going to be our last segment inhis the washington journal, but of next week will be joined by democrat mike thompson of california, chair of the house gun violence prevention force. we will talk about gun legislation in congress, and later on, florida representative francis rooney will be here to talk about secretary state

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i thought it would happen sooner. i like rex tillerson. i think he was engaged. he wanted to move things forward. he wanted to solve problems. and i served on the house intelligence committee. he will take the job seriously and i suspect he will be confirmed by the senate. host: what do you think rex tillerson's legacy will be? people willuest: probably talk more about the rift between the president and the secretary of state. he was out there on his own and that will be the bigger story. bring a calm approach to things. he certainly had a good knowledge of the russian side of issues. he was handicapped from the beginning because there were

never a full staff accompaniment. that was one of the problems. towardd wars and we work peaceful settlement of issues through diplomacy and you cannot do that with a short staff. his team was shorthanded from time onnning and in my the intelligence committee, the one thing i found so impressive was the dedicated men and women in the state department and how they work on a day to day basis with their counterparts in other countries. sorts of things that de-escalate and move us forward in a positive way. how does mike pompeo overcome those same obstacles about short staff at the state department? guest: he seems to have a better personal relationship with the president. be able tohe will parlay that into more attention

to his agency and be able to bring the people he needs to ensure we have a full team. host: we mentioned you are the chair of the house gun violence prevention task force. did want to ask how yountville, california is doing in the wake of that shooting last week? you represent the district for that veterans' home. guest: it is very sad. the three women who lost their lives were absolute saints. they were dedicated to the betterment of veterans. they said goodbye to their families and went to work at the at the pathway home program, separate from the home. they went to work every day to help veterans have a better life. for that to happen was tragic on that front. like a wave crashing down on the community.

everybodyliked them, likes the program, everybody likes the home. these are people who had a life in our community. one of the young women is a personal family friend. and my wife worked together as nurses at the hospital. up toe watched her grow be a amazing woman. family that is beautiful, a young child, it is going to rock the community. guest: your wife worked it -- host: your wife worked at that hospital? guest: a different one. it is a state-run facility. was athway home program private, nonprofit entity that rented space there. they had a relationship with the federal government. they provide psychological help for veterans who were not getting what they needed from

the traditional programs designed to help ptsd. this was a program that used different methods. it helped more than 500 veterans over the years. were there red flags here whetherg the shooter, he should have had access to firearms or been on someone's radar? guest: they are doing a full investigation and we will know more when that is done. when anyone is suffering from a serious mental issues and , it does not make a lot of sense they have easy access to firearms. host: we invite viewers to join in. mike thompson is with us until a: 30. -- a: 30. ,emocrats, (202) 748-8000

republicans, (202) 748-8001, and independents, (202) 748-8002. you can start calling it now. hisident trump released proposal to strengthen background checks and put more restrictions on those with mental health issues. do support the proposals? guest: the president and i differ on some of his proposals. he walked back from where he was the week before. the week before he wanted to pass my background check bill, a bipartisan bill with theater king -- peter king that would expand back rent checks to all commercial sale of firearms. host: what is the difference? guest: it is all fine and dandy. i support the components of the fixed makes but it is working around the edges.

over 20% of the gun sales go on without a background check. federal floor is a background check for anybody who buys a gun through a licensed dealer. that floor is the ceiling in some states. somebody could come into eight licensed dealer and try and buy a gun and be turned down because the check shows they are prohibited. they can go online and by the same gun on the same day. that does not seem to be right in my book. -- do the american people 93% of the people believe we should expand background checks. i think there is a big divide and i wish he would go back to his original position of supporting the thompson-king legislation. we have got 204 co-authors. it is a bill that should be

passed. as far as arming teachers, i think there are problems with that as well. right now, states can do that on their own and some states do. teachers are overworked and underpaid and i do know know they are all proficient with firearms. in a activeou shooter situation, you want someone who is proficient, especially when there are kids around. got to the veterans' home on a friday, not only was this tragedy unfolding but i learned that my son, a deputy sheriff, was in the building when this was going on. he is proficient in firearms. it scared the daylights out of me. somebodyyou would put in a situation like that who has little training and little experience with a firearm, should frighten all of us. host: patrick is up first, out

of pittsburgh. go ahead. caller: it is stunning how we are ignoring the elephant in the room and that is psychopharmacology and drugs which are a direct cause -- if you look at the common denominator of all shootings, all the mess shootings the united states has encountered, every single one has been on some type of drug. the media is in bed with these industries. they are hiding this fact. host: keep going, patrick. do you want to finish? congressman thompson? guest: i think we should look at everything. before andd this i've talked to mental health experts across the country about this. person know that every

who uses firearms in a deadly manner falls into the compartment he has outlined but we should be looking at everything. host: tampa, florida. rick, republican. go ahead. caller: hello? host: go ahead. caller: you mentioned arming teachers and classrooms is a bad idea and it seems to me to be a bad idea. there is another bad idea out there and that is something called swat teams. swat teams are people who are hyper armed to overpower a situation that probably does not call for high-performing -- hyper arming. would you be working toward dissolving all swat teams in america? they go after homeowners. swat teams are only used in neighborhoods -- they are overuse, over armed. arming teachers is a poor idea.

isn't having swat teams a poor idea, also? host: you don't think there is any place for swat teams in the country? caller: the principle of a swat team is not how it is used. in florida, there have been two cases where the teams have been used against homeowners who became unruly or who became over by their drugs they were taking. they are not used against vicious criminals. host: got your point. congressman thompson? guest: i have not seen that type of abuse in my district. i think the men and women who get up in the morning and put on their uniform and leave the house to make sure the rest of us are safe our outstanding individuals. are cases where there are problems but i do not think we want to disarm the police force. i've seences where

swat teams work, they have performed admirably. i sought last friday in my own district and they did a great job. it last friday in my own district and they did a great job. we mentioned your work for the gun control legislation. are you a gun owner? guest: i am. host: how many do you own? guest: i don't know. i've hunting rifles. i shoot skeet, target practice with my granddaughter. host: what do you say to people who are concerned that democrats want to take all guns away? guest: the supreme court was clear. the supreme court ruled that individuals have a right to own firearms. in that opinion, they made it equally clear that there is the authority for reasonable

restrictions against those firearms. i do not want to take everybody's gun away but if you are a criminal, a domestic abuser, or you are mentally ill, you should not be able to get near a gun and that is the principle of the background , is to makeation sure somebody does not fall into one of these categories. it is our first line of defense against someone who should not , criminal domestic abuser, terrorist, dangerously mentally ill. host: should you be able to own a gun if you're under 21? guest: i don't know that the age issue is a problem. i think everybody is probably a little bit different. i would support the idea there would be a minimum age to purchase a gun and to be able to have and use a gun without supervision. guest: president trump -- host:

president trump expressed support for that under 21 restriction that it was not in his proposal -- but it was not in his proposal. was sarah sanders from monday, being asked about that walk back on the under 21. he has not backed away from these things. they are still outlined in the plan but he cannot make them happen with a broad stroke of the pen. you have to have congressional component and without that support, it is not possible. we are focused on things we can do immediately. let's not forget the obama administration had the white house and all of congress for two years and did not do anything. this administration is supporting specific legislation and still laying out other priorities he would like to see, whether we have to do that on a state level. >> he could have advocated for

universal background checks. he could have called for raising the ages in the states. he has tabled that. >> it is listed in his policy proposal. , looksarah sanders saying back at the obama administration , democrats were in charge at the time and they did not do this. guest: her comments were nonsense. the president has a lot of power. if he wants to push for a background check, the bill that i have with peter king, he could do that. if he wants to push for legislation that would allow for law enforcement to intercede when somebody has guns is a problem and be able to get a warrant to separate that person from their guns, he could push for that. if he wanted to do more mental health, he could push for that. he walked away from those issues. on the mental health stuff, he

is proposed cutting crucial funding to mental health. he has worked overtime to make sure we do away with the mental health parity legislation that was passed and as far as this not having been done in the past , remember, this was before sandy hook, before las vegas. were not as people interested in doing gun violence prevention legislation as they are today. also, remember during the clinton administration, the crime bill had the provision for assault weapons and a lot of people voted for that and lost their seat because constituents thought they went too far on the gun violence prevention side. that is still fresh in people's mind. it is a different world today. we have had 29 school shootings this year.

people want members of congress to step up and do something to make their communities safer and not this halfstep the president is proposing. host: dave, independent. go ahead. have been wanting to voice my opinion about what -- isn't there a time and a place for technology? i cannot believe our technology now, that our surveillance can be incorporated in all places of business and large get-togethers and schools and so on. 911, it would seem it goes right to the 911 dispatch on the screen with a surveillance system.

that officer, when he is called, it will automatically be broadcast right to the officer. host: got your point. congressman? latest tragedy and in the one in my district, law enforcement was on the scene. they were in the building within four minutes of the person walking in the room. technology did work to get them there and get them there quicker. there is also technology that can be deployed to make sure people trying to buy guns should not be able to buy those guns. the system itself will tell you in 92% or 95% of the cases within a minute or two whether or not that person is a prohibited individual trying to buy the gun. there is different work being done technologically speaking that would allow people to do

background checks on people buying firearms if they're selling a gun to someone they do not know. there is work out of a company in california doing that. there is some stuff that is already being deployed and i'm sure there's room for more. california, democrat, go ahead. caller: i have a question about background checks because that is what i always hear from democrats. ima democrat -- i am a democrat. it seems like all the shooters had background checks. i do no one know what the answer is. what do you plan to do with background checks to actually make them worth something? guest: i agree. you point out a good point. there are failings in the system.

that is why the bill i have makes improvements in the system itself. there is also funding needed for different states and entities to make sure they get all the information into the system so when you do the background check, you're doing it against data that is updated and accurate. that is important. we know the system works. we know for two reasons. studies show us on a daily felonsthere are 170 prohibited from buying guns because the system knocks them out of the mix. remember, under current law, federal law, it only applies to licensed dealers. there are also 50 domestic abusers a day prohibited from dying guns. if you look after the tragedy at sandy hook, connecticut beefed up their background check laws

and they have seen a 40% decrease in gun violence related crimes. at the same time, the state of missouri reduced their background check requirements and they've seen a 25% increase in gun related crimes. we know it works. can we make improvements? of course we can. host: wayne, new york, republican. go ahead. caller: in upstate new york, we have a problem where people get guns and they are not from the tri-city area. they come up or and they sell drugs -- up here and they sell drugs. you and congressman king, i guess you have a good rapport. i wish you luck because it is pretty bad. it is terrible. guest: you are absolutely

correct. that is one of the problems with the current system. if the federal law says all you have to do is have a background check when you buy from a licensed dealer, someone can buy guns outside of the licensed dealer network, take them and bring them into new york and i think new york and chicago are andperfect examples of many -- many of the crime guns recovered come from out of the state where the purchasers have d.t been bedded -- vette mark in new jersey, independent. go ahead. be that oneeems to of these things you try to prevent are working. first of all, nobody is addressing what the problem is

here in this incident. it was the fbi, a screwup. first of all, you have to address that. guest: in what instance? fbi.r: the guest: in what instance? host: you're talking about the florida shooting? just want to confirm what you're talking about? caller: i'm sorry? host: just want to confirm, you're talking about the florida shooting last month? caller: they most recent one. they had 39 flags on it and more. can i speak please? that --ass legislation host: if you pass legislation that what? caller: if you pass legislation

that makes it mandatory for anyone who makes a terroristic and immediately get on that person and slow them down and find a chance to find out where his head is at. guest: i agree. if someone is making threats and has the attention of law enforcement, they should be interviewed. if someone is a danger to themselves or others and they have arms, there should be the appropriate channels for the courts to separate that person from firearms. we have a good law in california where if someone calls law enforcement to report there is a situation similar to what you described, law enforcement can interview that person and get a court order and if they find it is appropriate, they can separate that person from their firearms. that is in legislation i have to make it national.

i think every state should have that and we should be able to do that if there is someone who is a danger to themselves or others. has athomas on twitter question -- once to know if you of updates on the students who were injured on that incident yesterday afternoon? guest: i did not know about that. host: reports coming up this morning in several papers about it. we can show you this one from usa today. a teacher accidentally firing a gun tuesday in a class about public safety in a classroom. nobody was hurt at the seaside high school. the shot going off about 1:20 p.m. yesterday. dave is in new jersey, republican. though ahead -- go ahead. caller: good morning.

nietzsche said the warlike man comes home and he fights himself. that was written many years ago. my concern is how do these doctors come up with the diagnosis for someone who is and send our men off to war and they become mentally ill because of the stress they were put through. can i have a comment on that? guest: i don't know i am qualified to make medical diagnoses. i can tell you i believe we as a nation need to do a better job with mental health in general. as it applies to the military, we need to do a better job screening people who come into the military and we need to do a better job of assessing any problems when they leave the military. our veterans put on the uniform. they go to war for us.

-- they arere willing to put their life on the line for our freedom and there are certain things they have earned from their time in the military. a proper, adequate, appropriate , mental health care, in that column. host: last call from mississippi. adam is a independent. good morning. caller: i do believe in the second amendment. i believe people should be able to buy guns, that sort of thing and of course background checks help and screening for mental illness. i believe the problem is ammunition. allow we, as a country, joe anybody to buy ammunition? if we restrict ammunition to live a munition -- live in

munition and bullets to the common people and we restrict those two law enforcement and to the military, that is a more effective route. if youhost: if you use firearmr protection, it is pretty hard to do that without ammunition. -- there are steps that can be taken. my home state of california put on the books laws to do that. they are still quite controversial. you can certainly make sure that you screen people for buying those. that is not something that is unique in this discussion. host: the student walkout expected to take place at 10:00 this morning.

are you going to go meet those students? guest: i am. i cannot tell you how proud i am of those students. i have met with students at home in my district who are specifically planning to do this. school teachers and administrators and parents are very's board of of this -- are very supportive of this. the last incident in parkland really heightened that fear. you can be 3000 miles away and still be concerned for your safety. parkland really rocked part of our population who have been quiet on this issue. i think this new generation of voters is going to have some say as to where we go in regard to violence prevention. it is not the first time. it was young and new voters who are so vocal during the civil rights movement and during the vietnam war, it was young people who really spoke out and got the

nation's attention. i think we are seeing the same thing unfold in regard to gun violence. i'm going to meet them. we're going to do it again on the 24th. i know there is a march planned not only in d.c. but throughout the country. they are planning events in my district in california. host: a democrat from california. we appreciate it. bynext, we'll be joined florida republican representative francis rooney. we will talk about secretary of state rex tillerson's firing. and lauren rosenberger and jamie russianill talk about efforts to interfere in u.s. and european elections. we will be right back.

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previously served -- i want to get your reaction to the firing of secretary of state rex tillerson. guest: it is the president's prerogative to do what he wants to do with his employees. i lament the fact that so many of the important jobs are unfilled. i worried about how we can propagate our diplomacy around the world with seven of the top nine jobs unfilled. you have a talent, how are we supposed to conduct our diplomacy? i worry that secretary pompeo will the staff up. i think rex tillerson did a few things.

he came at north korea and say, we are not here for regime change. we gots part of how china to that u.n. resolution. that laid the groundwork for better sanctions. host: what message does it send to appoint the director of the cia to the job of secretary of state? what is that message to our allies? guest: it might tell north korea that president trump is deadly serious about conducting an active session if they come to terms on how to conduct it. host: what other message might it sent? guest: it certainly tells us that intelligence is important to us. pompeoow does mike overcome that concern you had about tillerson about the on filled -- about the unfilled jobs? guest: the white house in my

experience controls presidential appointment process. from reading the newspaper, there was some disagreement with secretary tillerson about that. i know that if pompeo is in sync the president, the personnel department can do its job. host: congressman francis rooney is a republican from florida and a member of the foreign affairs committee. if you want to join our conversation this morning, democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans, (202) 748-8001, independents, (202) 748-8002. you can start calling and now. power, them samantha former u.s. representative to the united nations. she writes about some of the same concerns that you have expressed. to you as a bit further. thatays about mike pompeo he cannot change the president,

but he can make it his mission to revitalize america's diplomatic corps. mr. pompeius and start by putting forward -- mr. pompeo should but forward nominations for ambassadorships. this would give us the means for engaging officials in those countries and promote investments and protect americans abroad. it would also sent a signal that the formats -- that diplomats matter. the number of young people seeking to take the foreign service exam has dropped significantly from the rates seen during the previous two administrations. guest: i do believe there is a role for, see -- fort diplomacy -- for diplomacy. tom, i get like concerned that we may not have

-- as vibrant diplomacy's we may best that we use the have. has been problems with the senate confirmation process. i think there were issues with putting candidates forward with tillerson versus the white house. host: samantha power clearly blaming that trump administration and how they treated foreign diplomacy. guest: i do not know that they treated diplomacy poorly. it is just they have not had enough people out there to do it as thoroughly as we might like. we will put the lines for democrats and republicans on your screen. stephen is up first. caller: yes, mr. rooney. how are you this morning? host: great.

caller: i am doing well. i have some concerns about your party in particular. what bothers me most of all is i hear so many legislators from your side of the i'll talk about how they have all these concerns. that is wonderful you have all those concerns. the point is right now that this president is mentally unstable. that is what concerns me. when you look at overseas over in korea, that man is mentally unstable as well. what really bothers me most of all -- not only the situation but the gun situation. you all seem to care more about placing the nra -- pleasing the nra than you do about humanity. let me point something out if i without humanity, we do not have any civilization. weaponry is not something that

is important. obviously we have to protect ourselves. if people want to carry a handgun, great. at the same time, people do not need some are automatic weapons. we do not need that at all. that is an infringement on my right as someone who opposes guns. guest: you make some very interesting points. i always use the quote of saint augustine that without justice, we are just robbers. i like diplomatic business. you mentioned the nra. i'm one of the few republicans along with governor rick scott to step up and talk about what we need to do to deal with things like parkland. i put out a very clear statement. i am not intimidated by the nra or anybody else. i have been in business my whole life. i think we need to have background checks with no exceptions. you need to standardize the age

and waiting periods for pistols and rifles. when he to make sure people who are unstable do not get access to weapons. host: what is the violence restraining order? similar toink it is what the california congressman was talking about. when someone exhibited a red flag or more than one red flag, i'm sure we can figure out the right test. you go get a judge involved to get a restraining order against buying a weapon on the basins that you are a threat to society. there has to be a way to balance due process and danger. i think that is necessary when you consider that almost half of who are involved in mass shootings exhibited red flags -- it seems obvious when he something like this.

might help the government share information better than they have in the past. guest: will you be voting for the stop school safety act that will be on the house for? host: i need to find out. i might be. there are two or three bills. i need to make sure which one it is. any to be clear that the principles i am for -- if it is, i certainly will be. guest: it is a seven point done plan that congressman rooney has laid out including an issue that has been highlighted in recent weeks. raising the age of all firearms to 21-year-olds -- 221 years old. -- 1021 years old. for --here is no reason to be inconsistent. i've been reading some material. studies about the

effects of drugs like ritalin on kids that continue to manifest themselves later in life. there are studies about the formation of adolescent brains. i think the smart psychologists need to address these points for the american people so we can understand all the factors going into creating a nikolas cruz. host: susan is an independent. good morning. caller: yes, hi. i am an independent calling from florida. first of all, i have one question. advocate -- host: susan, the congressman is a former ambassador. the holy see is a seat of power.

our mission is with the holy see because we want to leverage the folks raising the world for human dignity. when you were there, did you live inside vatican city? guest: lived about two miles south. host: susan, did you have a follow-up question? caller: i could not concur more. i advocate that as well. but, the other thing i would the factddress is the that we are in turmoil. i do not mean that as a belittling manner. i really do not. where thereprocess a -- notat of conspiracy. i'm not going to say that.

there is something happening right now where we are being divided culturally and individually and globally. the point do touch on of what we call sometimes identity politics. i think that is an unfortunate distraction from trying to solve the real problems america faces. host: pat is in schenectady, new york. caller: how are you doing? host: doing well. caller: i just have a question. you not think that firing the secretary of state weeks before he was supposed to have negotiations with north korea just demonstrates the instability of this white house and the chaotic nature of it? in addition to the fact that north korea will not relinquish their capabilities? guest: i think you could argue

both ways. bringing in a guy like mike anpeo certainly is endorsement of how seriously the president is going to take these negotiation's. i think that is an important point. we need to make clear what we will and will not do and what are the parameters so we do not get taken advantage of. korear we can get north to totally denuclearize, i am going to remain optimistic that we can. host: what you think of gina haspel who the -- you president trump said he would like to see as head of cia? guest: i know the paper said she was involved in the torture stuff in thailand. i think there are a lot of good intelligence officers. they were responding to the political leaders who set the

policy. i do not know that you would want to shoot the messenger. just because she was carrying out orders. host: the washington post reports she was head of a prison where detainees were subjected to waterboarding. exposed,e methods were she was among a group of cia officials involved in the decision to destroy videotapes of interrogation sessions that left some detainees on the brink of physical collapse. a republican, good morning. caller: good morning. representative rooney, you mentioned something about having a background in construction. i think what is missing from this president is that this man is built. grasp --think people

he does not waste time figuring out how to solve a problem. he spends his time and how to resolve and find solutions. if you had more support from his congress, -- he is never going to get it from the other side. the other side represents everything in my mind that is decadent. what they support with the media that pumps out lies. if this congress would strongly be in their opinion as donald trump is, we would see this country move even faster. each year in his presidency, this country is going to be on a magnificent path. he said we the people -- it is time for the american public to wake up and realize this man wants to not only save america but realize what america is. he put in a plug here for

the house of representatives. the republican conference majority has passed over 500 something else dealing with -- something bills dealing with a lot of the subjects you touched on. protecting life, protecting our borders -- the senate has acted on 100 of them i think. your house of representatives has done the people's work for which you elected the republican conference. host: walter in butler, indiana. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. your service to our country. i am a disabled vet. something close to my heart is when there are tragedies in this country with gun violence. the natural thing to respond is we have to do something.

i have a stop sign outside of my house over here. sometimes people do and sometimes people do not. when you spoke about raising the gun age to 21, i was somebody would have told me that when i went into the u.s. army that i or not mature enough psychologically balanced why would not know how to pick up a rifle. the fact is that we are supposed to be a well regulated militia. we're supposed to be a free people. people are talking about the ar-15 -- and it first came to pass, it was a hunting rifle. i know we get into this thing with tragedy where we have to do something. i never saw weapon hurt anybody in my life. weapon load a itself and go on its merry way.

i never saw anyone admit that bad things are going to happen. when you have bad people with guns, the only thing to resolve it will be a good person with a gun. we live in a violent world. never forget that the reason we need these weapons is to protect ourselves. guest: i think you make one fundamental point. that people kill people. they use guns, knives, automobiles. with that said, 42% of the people who conduct mass shootings have exhibited red flags. i think we certainly go into the american people to you with that. -- maryland --t, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call.

hearing a lot about expand the background checks for online purchases. i just want some clarification. i have purchased several firearms online throughout the years. i am about raising the age limit to 21. all of my friends disagree. most of the people i speak with agree. i've purchased several firearms in the past. every single purchase online, i've had to get it shipped to a federal firearms holder. they would then conduct a background check. what online purchases are we talking about when we say expand background checks to online purchases? guest: i was not really speaking of the online part. i'm not sure if you can get a weapon. what i was speaking of is the private sale exemption. what i have come to understand

is that a gun shows, you technically do not have to do a background check which seems like a gaping loophole. most of the guns shelled -- sold at gun shows are apparently sold bite dealers who do -- sold by dealers are sold by dealers who do background checks. host: explain the part of your has nol on guns that exceptions for incomplete background checks. an incomplete background check is a waste of time. i think we need thorough background checks. host: what happens now on a background check is incomplete? guest: i think if they do not get an answer, they can go ahead and buy the weapon. that seems like a gaping loophole to me. we will fix that, which is in the bill. the senate is considering that now.

if we have background checks, that will take care of two thirds of the people who buy guns legally. it will certainly help the 42% of people who have exhibited red flags who have failed background checks. host: murray, a democrat. caller: good morning. i wanted to make a statement and ask a question. kind of what the gentleman said before. there have been several court cases i have seen on tv where underage children have committed crimes such as murder. was afendant argued it fact medically known that a -- the front global part of their brain does not fully -- the front lobal part of their

brain does not develop until the age of 21. is that -- if that is a medical fact or has been determined and known that the front part of their brain is not developed, why would they be allowed under the age of 21 to purchase weapons? that is the question i have. guest: we might have read the same study. this is way out of my field. that some element of your brain is not fully developed until 25 and males or lower for females. it also affects some of the drugs that children are given. a continues to have affects on them into their 20's. host: i want to get your take on the tariff that president trump announced last week.

your take on that plan. guest: i have real trouble with the idea of upsetting the global supply chain that has brought cost down and stimulated our economy. i feel -- i fear bad reactions from isolated terrorists. areink some countries running a level of trade surplus that is going too far. i think we need to look at why that is. because we have such a trade deficit, that shows we are growing faster than the rest of the world. the last thing on this is that we need to make sure we know who the real enemy is. china is the real enemy. goods to other countries like canada and mexico. i think that is the enemy that we need to address. host: do you think the trump administration needs to tailor these tariffs more than they

have? guest: i do. i think they need to focus on the countries that are using trade to their dented against powers -- to their invented against powers and the rest of the world. we focus on transshipment of goods and the global tariff systems being used to their advantage. i would like to talk about magazines. i would like to get rid of all external magazines and make it so that every weapon has to be loaded into the gun. no more than five bullets. i think that would work with any type of gun. it does not matter what type it is. again, since this parkland thing came up, i've been doing all the research i can. you may very well have a point.

i think connecticut has -- limits magazines to 10 bullets. i went to research the statistics and get all the hard data i can. host: that plan that you put out the be updated?

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ongoing efforts to track russian election interference efforts joined this morning by rosenberger. the alliance was launched in the ake of assessments last year about russian interference in the 2016 election. mission is at ur the alliance. guest: thanks, john. thanks for having us on to talk this. we launched the bipartisan is transatlantic. democrat who has served n multiple administrations, working on national security. jamie fly, my partner, is a epublican who served in multiple administrations, we came together to address this bipartisan perspective. we know a lot of what we're divide s an effort to

americans against each other and it is really important to evelop methods, both to track what is happening and then begin to push back on that. host: jamie fly, talk about some of those methods. how are you tracking it? guest: we're looking at a number that the russians and in this case, other foreign actors might use to undermine our democracy. some are through disinformation, out messages into politics, amplifying fringe of the n either side political spectrum. they use financial tools, countries try to influence american debate about policy that may benefit them. that is through legal lobbying efforts in washington, the law that allows foreign actors to participate in are other and there illegal means of financial transfers that occur. concerned about is cyber hacking, we saw combined with disinformation in

2016 election case, steal confidential information and public, to the provoking news media to amplify contextalways providing and not -- often not understanding where the information came from or whether it was true. we're using suite of tools across all of those different to try to shine transparency on the tactics and aise awareness about the threat. host: focus on one tool in hamilton, dashboard.securingdemocracy.org, to look at what we're going to be looking at. what hamilton 68 is? guest: a public website we working last summer with social media analysts who ave been tracking a network of russian linked influence operators who have been working, particular, in analysts tracking since 2014, which also, by the way, lines up

with the timeline that special noted of eller research agency 2014y so you see started.activity the dashboard tracks activity of the account and illustrates are pushing. they gives us insight into the kind russian that the influence operator, this particular network want about ns to be talking and what we see in that, they a lot of messaging, efforts to push on devicive divisive social and political issues, sometimes we to push kremlin viewpointos geo political issues injection of onal conspiracy theory and other things trying to pull americans extremes. host: this network that you rack, 600 different accounts, talking twitter, facebook, other accounts?ia

guest: this dashboard tracks twitter, in particular, the eason for that, twitter actually allows data access to esearchers in a way that facilitates this kind of research. we haven't been able to get the same kind of information from platforms yet. host: how do you confirm this is russian disinformation campaign accounts? guest: we're not saying the are directly connected to the kremlin. someone in the kremlin wakes up and says these are 10 messages that should be pushed twitter atmosphere today. our experts follow this quite lar network for sometime and seen it act in tandem, pivot from foreign security topics to american politics, we're this vely certain that account is part of a broader network of disinformation that using to push e these topics into the u.s. it te and then they also do

into various european countries, as well. host: you don't actually list 600 accounts anywhere that you have been tracking; correct? uest: if we were to list the accounts we presume they would change behavior or move to different handles. point is not to call out the individual accounts, the point transparency on the tactic its being used and in this case, expose the messaging. if you look at the dashboard oday, what you see is that the predominant message is focusing don't things that really relate to u.s. politics. one is about ongoing fighting in syria. the other is about the chemical in the u.k. that was conducted d by russia. we see chemical weapon attack in u.k., significant campaign eginning to mount to suggest

information and muddy the water bout what british authorities issauthoritiess saying happened there. mike pompeo is top of the list in terms of trending topics. gina haspel is third on that list of when you are tracking this network. what re you seeing from happened yesterday with the shake-up at the top of the trump administration cabinet? host: what we often see is that want to establish themselves as credible voices with other people on twitter, following them, interacting with. engage on just news of the day topics they interest they are trying to get to follow them, retweet their messages, omething like engaging on the news of the day about cabinet shake-up with the various news we see quite a bit. it may not be they are pushing a particular message about the

individuals, but rather trying to insinuate themselves to audience of followers. topics from the last 48 hours according to the dashboard, trump, tillerson,i.a., u.s., today and putin. jamie fly, talk a little bit you learned about the networks you have been tracking about from the mueller indictments of those 13 election or interference? guest: what we saw from the mueller indictment was with what we're seen on the network, similar approach in on both weigh domestic politics and issues political in the debate, as well as russia foreign policy interest. laura why syria, mentioned issues like ukraine, constantly come up. there is e some sense perhaps some connection between internet research agency and

network.in our our accounts we track well beyond the interdlt net research agency, important for people to realize this group that was a rating out of russia, that lot of social media companies are trying to respond to by hutting down accounts that can be linked to that particular agency, that is not the full efforts to ssia's interfere on social media and use fake accounts to push information, it goes well beyond ust the accounts controlled by internet research agency. geek guest: that is something we saw mueller investigation, russian agents actually recruit and others americans to participate in influence operations. some of that happening online, participating in facebook activity and tter some transcending the internet into actual real life, if you will. in order to take action to rganize protests, take other

kinds of actions that are in service of kremlin unknowingly doing it. host: do you think donald trump won the election because of interference? guest: we're not looking at that particular question, we're the ng that question to special counsel. our focus is actually on how do going ess this challenge forward? we know and the intelligence russia will cluded learn lessons from this, heard in recent testimony before ownress that donald trump's directors of the intelligence agencies have said russia is again in 2018.s the activities continue. know that other authoritarian powers are tactics, not just russia, china, as well. how do we stop this? national security perspective, this is a real national security threat. guest: yeah, the problem with thus far, it has gotten combined with the debate collusion.

that is for the investigation the house republican report that has now emerged, you texas, who way from led the report, say, this was a problem. russian interference, russian measures were used in the ampaign, seen every major intelligence agency, pompeo is now secretary of state, say secretary of state say this when he was running the c.i.a. public need to know this is not debate about whether tactics were deployed and the other thing our network shows, interference attempts are continuing. this was not just 2016 issue, not tide to specific mid-term these are going on everyday with russian accounts trying to promote certain amplify certain conte ontent, pit americans against each other and need to deal with the ongoing problem and find ways through the government,

companies to tackle this issue. host: bring in the american public. at crats, call in 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002. we're talking with laura rosenberger of the alliance for democracy, the director there, and jamie fly is program director for the future of geo-politics, asia program at fund.erman marshall german marshall fund. go my, an independent, ahead. caller: yes, thank you. before i touch on the scenario, it is important to understand if we want to secure our democracy, backed up by constitutional republic without protect our ls to most basic god-given natural expliindicated in the bill of rights, we're going deep education of the american peep and he will in

voting, hand l counted local ballots with organization, with backup of potential live video open-source public blot. so-called alliance should be called olygacrilly controlled home that is at based on divided and conquered, bipartisan consensus. this is really the war party ligning here to try to re-create russia as the enemy and that does not mean russia involved here because clearly the current president terms is a made man in mob background based on olygarcs. i'm a proud jewish american

atriot, we need to speak the truth here. host: got your point, germ i. laura rosenberger. guest: thanks so much. let me speak to the point because i think the two are related here. a lot of acy faces challenges here at home. one of the things that we see is and other actors trying to exploit those. thing that we're -- our inability to work together is for lly creating space further rian powers to divide us. they know the functioning of our institution depinned on our to work together and paralyzing by exploiting our blowing them open, is part of the strategy here. this is about ve securing ourselves at home, vulnerabilities, is really a key part of this in

parties prevent other like russia from being oibl to exploit them. delano in missouri. a democrat. go ahead. thank you, c-span. i would like to introduce the that's a term used in psychology and it is countries, split families and we need to talk about that. is the greatest country, we have every denomination, every race that can imagine and we're the is im of splitting and that what russian has done over lennon'sen back in the time and i would like for you to address that. would like for obama, the greatest speaker i've ever national come on television and tell people what done.n has no other country in the world

has a country like us. you can very race that imagine and we're a sitting duck for splitting. poinlt.t your guest: the caller raises good point. russians or other authoritarians are using openness of democracy and our tution of democracy, free debate, our free society, as a weapon now and that is technology has made easier for them to do. they try to divide americans prevent us her and and they try to allies.s from our look at the work our dashboard as shown in terms of messaging promoted about europe and seen similar trends in europe about image of america that is amongst european allies nd trying to divide us from democratic partners. that is something we need to

acknowledge and part of the reason we're doing this together republican and democrat, only way to tackle it is to be united divided, within our political system, we will never rise to the challenge. ost: talk about your background, you worked for rubio. advisor, reign policy including joining his campaign. i've been in think tanks and four years at george w.bush. host: and laura, where did you work? started in bush administration as career official at the state department obama ved through administration, in part at council at thety white house and left the administration to become hillary clinton's foreign policy advisor 2016 presidential campaign. host: you have jame necessary ahead.orgia, go caller: good morning. i could really appreciate the callers you had because i think the problem that

was having right now, it about this 2016 election. nd that resistance of the democratic party, what your guests are talking about now is to do.ng we really need other than that, cyber attack, do s regular voters, can't anything about that, that has to take the government to do that. it's about education and the party, some other caller mentioned, it's the other party we are split ze, ourselves. because that m is is the way our education roll. that is what we're doing. your callers talking about bringing obama up. russia about what really -- that would be the problem. part of this is part ofcollusion, he is

this resistance to the president. if you let this president do his job, all this stuff will go away. host: laura rosenberger. this, is a whole of society challenge. government has to play a role here in terms of taking action impose cost on those who are trying to attack our democracy, shoring up our efenses, including on cyber security, important role for the government. fore is also important role private sector on the issue. echnology companies, bye-byes community, an earlier caller mentioned importance of cyber system, around election something congress has been working to address. his is some bipartisan legislation that is stuck at the think that would be i important step if it were able to go forward. for is important role civil society, when jamie and i

learn less ans we can from european partners and allies, subject to russian quite sometime. we see that building resiliency is incredibly important to these tactics are less effective. education is big part of that, media literacy, these are all incredibly important parts of the equation i think the broader public absolutely has a role to play in terms of making sure these tactics are not effective in the future. ahead.hreveport, go caller: people need to do research. backlash, t white or it was obama lash. it was clinton lash. truck train, folks. guest: i think the key issue research is g your -- don't listen to the

news.evening and we've worked with european partners, different examples of hese types of tactics being deployed in the european allies, there is more support for traditional media, more reliance on traditional choices are less vulnerable to attack. we're not going to change american culture at this point the way people get news. ocial media companies have responsibility to make sure their technology is not pushing broader ntent on to a set of people's news feeds. i think the key issue is to be smartser onsumers of information, checking facts, looking for other sources of information, a young s to start at way, especially the way kids use

social media and will continue they grow older. that needs to be taught in school and people need to can't accept at face value everything that pops feed.the news host: matt tie bey, in the dashboard, the new blacklist, russia aimed at trump way of , but become a targeting decent. about the hamilton 68 ashboard, mirrors the homeland advisory program, has no real purpose beyond constantly remiengding the public to be afraid of enemies in their midst many of the ought to have been disgraced yahoos who into the last mess. your response? guest: i think obviously it gets what we're about trying to do. we're not trying to silence any merican's right to free speech or say whatever they want. that is probably why we are not

eleasing a list of accounts we think should be shut down. leaving that to tech companies to figure out when their terms service are violated. the only thing we're trying to the raise awareness about fact other actors, foreign actors trying to violate laws insert themselves into political debates. one of the pushbacks we've seen and we've seenve over russianrative propeganda accounts. t.v. channel, sputnik, tried to push we're a fear monger. i would be very careful for journalists and others who they want to pair kremlin talking points. guest: yeah, i think one thing in mind here, ar our approach and the hamilton 68 pproach is actually about shedding some light. it is about more speech, not

less speech. strongly , i believe if we are actually going to secure our democracy against threats, that has to start with making sure nothing we do the very e restricts democracy we're trying to protect. first amendment is secret, to ensure more speech, not speech, is the way we deal with the challenge. bethesda, maryland, good morning. caller: yeah, i don't understand the argument being put forward here. that, i ollow-up on appreciate what was said. i think more speech, not less helpful. and you know, the american washed, so t brain f there is an argument put out there by whoever, whatever their ntentions are, whatever

motivations are, it doesn't speech, so ch is what is the argument here? an agendaussians have and so what. i mean, the american people can this out. guest: that's a good point. isean, the key question here certainly americans have a right to free speech. whatever they ay want, foreign governments do not ave a constitutional right to free speech in america. if they want to engage in american politics, to run an ad support of a cant candidate th, is illegal. investigation, r the russian government decided it was going to try to put its finger on the scale and weigh in and tell americans who to vote for or not to vote, try to keep them at home. illegal. again, foreign governments have

way to influence our political debate. they can have a legally registered lobbyist, issue a from the embassy, but when they went on social media ads, that violated the laws, make it easier for to companies in the future figure that out. mericans see who is paying for the ads online or in proint. in a moment that a foreign government has right to the eech, especially in u.s. and political climate is not correct. host: laura rosenberger, i read is not necessarily creation of new division, but existing on of divisions. explain that. guest: that's exactly right. whether in the u.s. or in the context, we see the russian in the efforts, ation identifying divisive issues and

trying to exploit them. in the european context and merican context, we see a lot of messaging around immigration. and a lot of efforts to kind of up fears about immigrants. so in several european cases, we have seen, most infamously one in germany. aw a story that was actually created by kremlin affiliated and including muslim, immigrants, germany had rape of the german girl that resulted in streets, a lot of merkle.gainst out the story never happened, it wasn't until there had been outrage created by this story. that is an example of finding a sensitive political issue and order to exploit it in make people more angry.

the other thing that i would i think is , important to bear in mind, is i completely agree, the american brainwashed.t this isn't just about people seeing something and agreeing with it. we know that there was recent study done by columbia review that went back through the accounts that were accounts, and lmost every single major media airport, used tweets from ccount necessary coverage of the election, in their coverage of what americans were saying we new know we're not americans at all. so we know that even the you know, media, large media organizations were the g this word at being word of americans when it wasn't. that's not free speech. ohio,jackie in cleveland, an independent. jackie, go ahead.

caller: hi. first, good morning, everyone. i wanted to commend the and tisan work that laura her partner are doing, that will cri credence to the work. what i see as consumer of the have so many e -- another caller said the american people aren't my n washed, when i see, in opinion, on a daily basis, the american people are being led a situation where they can by believingd just just one way of thinking about this whole thing. i don't think for one minute that somebody who has been as prominent a person in our as robert mueller would be able to come up with the information he's come up able to hand down the indictments gone forth so far if this whole thing was nothing. just want to know from their

perspective, as consumers of the think that there is some form of brain washing oing on with certain segments of our population? in , if they think that their studies, have they seen why there's going to be bigger fallout from all this in country. guest: brain washing is probably too strong a term. going to even the previous caller's question, i the key issue is we're not aying this information being pushed by foreign actors, ncluding russia are changing certain political issue in the the other side. there are instances, though, laura referenced these in as well, the u.s., documented in the mueller indictment, other by social companies and senate intelligence community and

through their investigation, operating gn actors out russia set up fake groups on facebook, pitted americans a inst each other, set up group as muslims and got peep in texas on the same day, same time with hope of riot.lly provoking a and ending in injury or death of americans. the mueller indictment lays out rallies were ere established through the fake sponsored by foreign actors, the american participants thauz they were fellow americans and exercising free speech. this is a real problem, you have actors, able to actually out on the street and these tactics can produce. host: just a few minutes left. get as many calls as we can. james, richmond, virginia, a

democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. question, i was wondering, has anybody thought againsting same tactics russians they are using on us, that way think twice they know have the same capabilities? guest: you know, it's a good question. t is something that frequently comes up. my own view, you know, this starts with premise and importance of the united states a democracy. and i believe that a number of russian cs that the government is using here are fundamentally undemocratic and i ofnot believe in the service democracy, the united states should be engaging in undemocratic tactics, we need to ensure tactics we employ in order to push back on this are consistent with democracy we're trying to protect. in mind as we talk through important questions, is what is motivation?in's putin's motivation is to weaken it is too states, weaken europe, as one of the

splits earlier suggested, us from each other, split us split lly, split nato, the eu. putin is not 10 feet tall. russia is declining power, russia is acting out of weakness wounded etimes a animals the most dangerous and hat we see here is putin realizing the only way he can remain strong is by weakening others and hitting us at the core of strength, our democracy s one thing he's decided will actually help him maintain that strength and that is really what this is about. in newark, ohio, republican, go ahead. caller: yeah, hi, thanks. a couple quick questions, one for laura. he mentioned she participated in the hillary campaign on foreign advisor. laura, were you aware of the dossier? i was not. caller: okay, another quick

question. guys keep you mentioning other foreign actors, but then you say russia. and other foreign actors, other actors, than russia. other countries like china and probably some more countries are meddling in think ction, but i don't your dashboard is really 600 nsing when you have people on twitter spreading or trying to spliet pe 80% t -- split people when of the population is not on twitter. host: laura rosenberger, let you know. other actor piece, really good question. we do see a lot of activity, in particular, from china. that has been going on for sometime and starting to adopt tactics.ian in a lot of cases, we see a lot asia ctivity around the pacific region, china's

and new australia ealand had high-profile experiences with interference in their political system, through financial tools jamie was earlier.ng we do see, though, chinese beginning to adopt information operation kind of actics, it is something they are test driving in different areas, confined to chinese media. researchers looking at whether that activity is happening in the united states. that k that is something as we have more bandwidth going work d, we will do more on, as well. so.: last 30 secretarys or guest: good points about twitter. lot, in washington, foreign actors attempt to engage on twitter. media at host of social platform, the key issue, as laura referenced earlier in the show. data and twitter makes data more

reely available than social media. working with consortium of other out way to to figure tackle that and show americans what is going on on the other media platforms, as well. host: hamilton 68-4, you can it through alliance for thanks to emocracy, jamie fly of the german marshal und and laura rosenberger, director for securing democracy, appreciate the time. phones, any public policy issue you want to talk about, the phone lines are yours comes in at use 10:00. phone numbers are on the screen. you can start call nothing now, be right back. >> monday on landmark cases, 1896 case of the pless plesseversus ferguson.

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want to watch that hearing. you can watch it at c-span.org, c-span radio free app. phones are yours, what do you want to talk about? dennis in bethlehem, pennsylvania, line for democrats. morning. caller: hi, good morning. about d to talk briefly the topic with laura and jamie. it ork in the private security seg sxment some business practice is dealing with auto mation and account and fundamentals that come with bots. industry.roblem in the more private sector businesses these rting to adopt practices. it is something i don't think a plan for and kind of detecting these types of behavior. when it relates to propaganda rom nation states, similar to previous wars, where nation state leaders drop pamphlets to

war-driven areas to create propaganda. we're seeing new tactics in the era, they are using digital methods to use same tactics. all the appreciate thought leadership the previous talked about. we often talk in i.t. security military-like operation and how you can defend yourself. of way its in a lot is educating common people on we're ntals of what seeing as nothing new, those are old tactics. need to educate ourselves and not just believing what is in ront of you, getting involved with the community, making sure you are arguing in front of to le what your pain is and try to gain consensus, this is agreee of democracy and i a said, we also ave to make sure that we do

fact check and create quality in are saying to you ddress foreign or initial agenda. alliance for securing if witer, securedemocracy, you want to check out the work of the two previous guests on he internet securingdemocracy.org, bob in massachusetts, an independent. open phones, bob, go ahead. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i wanted to comment on t previous topic. and all of this talk is so efensive, it makes it sound to me like this country is like a ittle boy lost in the department store in the middle "mommy," ior, yelling mean, we are technologically watched a ed and i pbs frontline program called

two ronting putin," it was hours. in the opening segment, brennan clapper, head of the c.i.a. and nsa, said november 6, they russians were hacking into our system. when i heard that, considering aftermath, i was saying to myself, what is the matter with you? i mean, security, anti-virus, firewalls, all this stuff is out there. so they knew, they said into the russians knew the were attacking our system, point one. i'm two, hillary clinton, not making a political thing out of this. e-mail off the serve server -- released her e-mails is her fault,that not the russians. the russians probably said thank you. up, we're so technically

advanced, we came up with a virus in collusion, allegedly, stucknet, gotalled into the advanced, we uranium nuclear and almost in just about shut down most of the centrifuges. when we say the russians are acking into us, what are we hacking into? host: bob in massachusetts speaking about russia. that russian from spy attack. britain calling for an urgent u.n. meeting to update on the investigation into that nerve attack in salsbury, ccording to british foreign office. prime minister theresa may earlier today spoke on the kingdom hat the united will take going forward when it comes to russia. say.is what she had to >> the u.k. expelled four tips. the vienna convention, the expose 23 dom will

russian diplomats who have been dentified as undeclared intelligence officers. they have just one week to leave. will be the single biggest xpulsion for over 30 years and reflect the time this is not the first time the russian state acted against our country. the expulsions, we will degrade russian intelligence the u.k. for years to come f. they think to rebuild them from prevent doing so. second, we will urgently develop hardenislative powers to our defenses against all forms activity.e state -- at the u.k. border. his power is currently only permitted in relation with those suspected of terrorism. home secretary to new need for

espionage powers in our country. speaker, i said on monday, we will table government sanctions bill e to strengthen our power to impose sanctions in response to human rights. in doing so, we will play our effort to ernational punish those responsibility for sergei, and i hope with all measures setting out oday, this will receive cross-paefrt support mrchlt speaker, we will make full use enhance ng powers to effort to monitor and track the to ntion of those travels so we will increase checks on private flights, we will nd freight. freeze russian state assets we have evidence they may threaten the life or property of u.k. nationals or

residents. host: if you want to watch theresa may's full address, you website it out on our at c-span.org. in the meantime, open phones here on the "washington journal." south bend, indiana, democrat. want to talk about? caller: yeah, i just wanted to caller to an earlier about this fantasy, for lack of of running the country like a business. three equal ranches of, you know, of the government. by basically one can't do e c.e.o., we that because we can't do that in the government arizona i just we have three equal branches. people stop this craziness about -- running the country

business, it doesn't work. because of the constitution, people nd balances, please stop calling in and saying stuff like that. host: marcus, jacksonville, florida, independent. go ahead. caller: hillary clinton majority g all women, rules for the red, white and blue, if you voted for her, so do you. freedom of our democracy is true. host: okay. john, rio rancho, new mexico, republican. go ahead. yes.r: what happens to our ex-president? where is barack obama? mean, he hasn't surfaced, he news, we p up on the .ear of him we haven't really seen hide nor hair of him. in aw hillary last week another country, running down what i felt like was the people

electking the decision to president trump. what we have, we still have denial.tic we still have democrats in denial. that the reasoning american people elected democratstrump, until and democrats with big d, party that they nderstand are out of step with what the people of this country want, you going to see t many democrats like in mid-term, they got wiped out and they all the seats back as traditionally the opposite of the presidency, that people don't agenda. democratic all i can tell you, we don't care that much, the people, i about all your refugees from syria and muslim countries, care.n't we just don't care about all the children. are not

they have -- all over their faces, they are ganged up, grown up jobs, taking up opportunities in america, occasionally killing somebody if he person get necessary their way, committing a rape if there is not women for them around. host: got your point, john. mentioned control of the house and senate, the margin of control, republican and control the house, could shrink. in pennsylvania 18th .istrict down to the wire votess conor lamb from rick saccone, this is the enquirer.ia it is a district that president 2016. won by 20 points in we'll wait to see what happens as the absentee ballots continue be counted. rick saccone behind by about

votes. the front page of metro new york daily. wednesday, they call it. students across the country will their classrooms to honor the 17 people killed in parkland shooting on february 14th. on the walkout from michael outountry. of washington, d.c., showing some of the scenes, enough is students are chanting, students already for de the white house national walkout day. capitol to come up to hill, students walking out of just spring, maryland, outside of washington, d.c. ne more tweet it from you out of norfolk, virginia, students walking out of classes right is expecting around 600 or more students to

this is the same day that the highways is expected to take up its first legislation in response to the florida on a shooting, voting bill to push school system to formulate risk assessment and plan.y washington times notes it is far rom major gun debate that students from marjory stoneman douglas high school and other activists have urged in the wake of that shooting there. today, this o, morning on the senate side of capitol hill, judiciary hearing to lding examine the circumstances urrounding the parkland shooting. that hearing is taking place on -span flooe, already underway, if you want to pop over there and watch that. therwise, stay here with us until the house comes in at 10:00. bob is in michigan, independent. ahead. caller: yes, regarding that student walkout, i would like to

everybody, there is more than just one amendment in the the second , amendment, there is first mendment, which allows the freedom of assembly. in support of the students, i tell them just walk out, kids, just walk out. there is a lot of blowback from administrators and the chool board threatening action against students that do that, no know what, nothing good, good has ever come from doing nothing. are re the victims, there 7000 dead since 1998 and none of the people have done a darn so-called adults have done a darn thing for you. just walk out, kids. to you, you happens face the consequences, let them the next parents to school board meeting and you surprised the action you get then. just walk out, kids, i know no

listening right now, hopefully they are outside protest itting. t is institutional right besides the second amendment. e got plenty of rights in this country. it is about time you as students nd citizens exercise those rights. host: one high school student called first hour of the program to y saying he was planning walkout. we had a parent call in, as talked to her son about his plans to walk out. 7000 number.d that the number 7000 significant number of is the children slain by guns since sandy hook in 2012 and yesterday on capitol hill, 7000 pairs of shoes were placed around the united states to memorialize children lost to gun violence, pictures on capitol hill; nwork bal activist

to fill the ations congressional lawn area with children's shoes and send toll that gun he violence takes. carol is in christianburg, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. concerning the last two guests that you had. my question was, when the indictments came out everal weeks ago, for the 13 russians interviewed an older woman, that she was tricked and her.s embarrassing for i since read that michael moore was also a participant at a new york at trump tower and my question to you, since you are a journalist, are you whether he's come clean on that or made statements on that?

i haven't find out, been able to. host: not a story i've seen, carol. feel about the investigation and how long the investigation has gone? really i was disappointed with the republican house committee, they are going issue this report. so that was sad for me, i think covering this cover up, but i wanted people on the left to come clean. i appreciate michael moore's documentaries in the past for and i feelnformation he needs to come clean, he was russian troll factory and following along and being part of rally that i think by them.p host: to aubry, a democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. you had a caller call in a while that hillary clinton server had been hacked. that is completely not true. the f.b.i. testified before i think the senate intelligence

there was no evidence of hillary clinton's erver being hacked, it was the d.n.c. through typical social ngineering techniques, they were able to hack into the those server and extract e-mails. you know, one thing i find about trump sting frequently, they circumstantialhe refusal to his enforce federal law against hacking. criticize to itdamir putin and, you know, goes on and on and on. of the know, a lot c-span callers to this program,

ould spend a little more time watching some of the content you on senate and house hearing, you know, maybe it etifie d.ore one point about the hearing, it amazing to me that the same eople who are critical of hillary clinton and barack nunez and his crew witnesses rings of to rding this whole hacking be interviewed and basically in secret. e have no idea what nease people are talking about, what is being said. ost: do you trust senate intelligence committee, they have been conducting another russianf hearings about interference, do you trust any of the congressional committees? have a lot more faith in

he senate committee being led by mark warner and the senator south carolina whose name doesn't come to me. host: richard burr. there, the house is coming in as we speak. we'll take the viewers there for to gavel coverage. we'll see you back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., march 14, 2018. i hereby appoint the honorable doug collins to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, paul d. ryan, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 8, 2018, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate. the chair will alternate recognition between the parties. all time shall be equally allocated between the parties and in no event shall debate continue past 11:50 a.m.