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administration's choices to use federal money on school choice programs. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal is next. host: the associated press reporting there is a 50-50 trump will fire another staff member this week. -- and toe because growth. fors "washington journal" march twice six. stormy daniels spoke about her heair that took place before became president. she spoke about the relationship and the threats she received and the legal risks she is up

against for speaking out about it. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can give your comments on twitter, @cspanwj. and post on our facebook page. varietyrview covered a of topics. stormy danielsgs spoke about was if she is taking a personal risk by speaking out about it. >> i am. >> i am not sure why you are doing this. >> it is important to be able to defend myself. wanting toof talking set the record straight? >> 100%. people are saying what they want

to say. i was fine saying nothing at all. i am not ok with being made out to be a liar or people thinking i did this for money. i am getting more job offers now, but tell me one person who would turn down a job offer making more than they have been doing the same thing they have done. >> people are trying to use you for different agendas. >> yes. too.is not a me i am not a m. victim.not a host: that is part of the interview. interviewat this could mean for the trump administration. the second television interview makes it clear even if he does not sustain immediate damage, he

of litigation and public relations blows from motivated opponents. for a man who has built his image on launching return fire when he is attacked, it must be humiliating to watch his maligned on television in the knowledge that fighting back would make things worse. your impressions of it, what it might mean for the administration. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. twitter is available, as well as facebook. in california, this is todd. good morning. the interview details

are gross and personal. trump should resign over all of this. president.ecoming a clinton was impeached for less than the stuff trump did. host: clinton remained in office. you do not believe that is the case for this president? caller: the clinton thing is past. we cannot do anything about that now. trump is facing rape allegations and he has cheated on his wife. i don't know. host: you think there is long thisng damage for caller: president. caller: he keeps hiring

incompetent people with scandals or he doesn't know what he is doing. it is a mess. host: flushing, new york, independent line. chose donald trump, not because of his sexual behavior. bringing this news now, when we have serious things, local, cnn is wasting, time. i do not know what they are trying to do. not change anything. if you are going to judge his behavior, it is a known fact. this has nothing to do with whether he will be reelected or not. all of this mess we see around the world is straightened out, that is what the world is looking for. they are not looking for a man

who is loyal to his wife. find how many senators or congressmen are -- to their family. americans are not worried about his behavior. actions, are the past alleged though they are, why are they not being considered? why is it not a matter of discussion? caller: we had these things with president clinton. we have seen such behavior. the behaviors only crossed the was if it happens while he president and if his wife comes it and says -- this guy, should have never known this man. she will never say that. this is normal behavior all over the world. i do not care about it.

stopon his job and claiming these messes. around him is come -- is crumbling. that is a danger. rebecca stoner: never happened, why the contract to silence her necessary? you can make thoughts on twitter and facebook. winston-salem, north carolina. johnny, good morning. do not think she was able to say everything she wanted to say or present everything she wanted to present. was on cable television, certain things were not able to be shown or said.

especially with cbs and that dan rather mess. it doesn't matter. the people of america do not want to hear it. they put the man in office after tapes.ess hollywood they need to care, but they do not. republicans do not care. they let him do what he wants. he put the worst people in the world as secretary of everything. this country is falling apart. the supporters do not want to hear about this, but what about everyone else? is it a matter of discussion for everyone else? caller: it matters for me. he has no business being in there. he stole the election. tennis, springfield,

missouri, independent line. , springfield, missouri, independent line. caller: i disagree with the last caller. a poor and star, a playboy bunny, come on. they have the morals of a cat already. what do you expect? nothing to pay attention to. about the claims that lawyers have tried to keep these people from talking, what do you make about that? caller: it is just something they are trying to push to separate the base. there is a piece, the five takeaways from the interview. one of those, questions will persist for michael:.

-- michael cohen. cohen brokered an agreement with stormy daniels in the final days of the 2016 election campaign. she was paid $130,000. cohen said he paid the money out of his personal funds. there are questions over whether that payment represented in the legal campaign contribution. republican line, lewis, colorado springs. good morning. i do not care what this porn star said did or did not happen. it's another way to undermine our president. i don't know why you keep bringing this up. you guys seem like you are

becoming one of the group, the cnn, msnbc groups trying to bring trump down. it is not going to bother me. it has happened over 10 years ago. clinton did this stuff in the white house. you guys do not want to talk about stuff like that. instead of quoting cnn, open up your paper, pedro. talk about the 2200 pages of the last omnibus bill. host: we did talk about that, lewis. when it comes to this topic, do , those thingsns should not be up for consideration or discussion? he was not in the white house. he was a businessman 11 years

ago. i don't think you would like it if your wife was talking about you having an affair with some rn star 10 years ago. it is ridiculous. line,jimmy, independent and sylvania. inler: -- independent line pennsylvania. they alltormy daniels, knew he was married. i am upset with every politician. there is not one that is good. they are hypocrites. trump, stormy daniels, she is a prostitute, regardless if she is a porn star. he knew about it. the woman who was a playboy bunny, they knew he was married. he represents the united states. do you think this is kosher? from democrats line, tony

pleasantville, new jersey. agree with the lady from north carolina and i agree with the man from missouri. i agree with both of them on each of their points. it does not matter to the republicans, but could you imagine if this work obama in the white house doing this stuff this man has done since he has been in office? host: does it matter to you? caller: yes. to your morals and character. he has no morals. he has no class. put everything in a nutshell, he should be worried about the kids that marched saturday. republican should be shaking because gun control is

more important than who he had sex with. sheis wife doesn't care, ought to be ashamed. host: the interview in which spokeaniels talks, she about that for the first time. [video clip] >> did he mention his wife or child? >> i asked, he brushed it aside. >> did you go out for dinner? >> no. >> you had dinner in the room? >> yes. ?> what happened next >> i asked if i could use the restroom. i came out and he was sitting on the edge of the bed when i walked out. >> what went through your mind? >> i realized what i had gotten myself into. here we go.

, i had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone. you deserve this. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. silencing women should matter to everyone with the hashtag resist. stormy daniels is a play by the liberal media and democrats and it is not working. spokespersony's spoke about this in a tweet from her account, saying while i know the media is enjoying gossip, there is a minor child whose name should be kept out of the

news stories when possible. tallahassee, republican line. caller: i voted for trump. people are not perfect. this happened a long time ago. at least we don't have a president assaulting and raping women in the white house. obama andg play by past administration still going after our president. i have never seen such hatred from people working in the office. i would like to bring up about things with insurance. my children are half hispanic. i am an american citizen. cannot even get insurance. i have been working all my life. somebody can walk over from the border and be covered on medicaid. host: i will leave it there because we are trying to stick

with the topic at hand. jewell, columbus, indiana. the previous caller said at least we don't have racist or somebody in the white house. we are not supposed to. we are supposed to have people of character, people we can look to for leadership and not this stuff going on. trump started things back in 2007, 2008. he is too big to fail. people should let it go. i don't think he could do anything. i cannot imagine what he can do and that is sad to say, that will get him out. this do you think of allegation follows him for the president or a goes away? that will is a story

go away. something else will, and take our eye off things that should matter, like the legislation, things that he is doing that impact our future. timeh we could have discussing the bills that have passed. you have to dig in research stuff that is obscure. my son made a comment. and ourve to pay taxes tax dollars can go to anything, if we don't agreed to what it goes to, we ought to be able to audit the government. host: let's go to connecticut, patty, independent line. make a i want to comments. every body is going crazy over stormy. don't they realize she is a porn star? she is out to make a buck.

she saw how much business it brings in. she did not want to tell her daughter she had sex with the president. i would be more embarrassed telling her i hang off of a pole every night nude. remember the name, one need a broderick. the back-and-forth going on because of this story. a lawyer for cohen sent a cease-and-desist letter to miss accusing them of defaming him. with anything to do incident and does not believe such a person exists or that such incident ever occurred. you and your client's false

libel and constitute of emotional distress. faces $20 million in penalties and that agreement was still binding. that theent is agreement is invalid because from did not sign it. new orleans, democrats line, andre. i hear the ladies talking about they knew he was married. did he know he was married? are a joke.icans they say trump is this, that, and the other. , maybehese republicans they will see the light when the

theident has putin turning fucking electrical grid off. pardon my cursing. i think miss daniels' in candor.as lacking she said she was threatened. she could not provide a description. she is on a tour of the backwater and her tour is make america horny again. she is lacking candor. smarmy daniels. do not let c-span get smarmy. host: you don't think there is lasting impact of this? caller: not at all.

i do not think she is believable. mike, ashburn, virginia. caller: good morning. [indiscernible] bankrupt. they wonder why kids will not follow them to church, they are morally bankrupt. if this lady was not telling the for $20hy sue her million to keep her quiet? if she is not telling the truth, why sue her? let her tell her story. morallyans, you are bankrupt. democrats hammered home how clinton's past and private behavior was unrelated to how he does his job. them, it stuck.

unless a crime was committed, this is nothing more than tabloid news. we will continue on with your thoughts on this interview. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. the washington times with a breakdown of the omnibus spending bill passed last week talks about interest groups that benefited from the passage of the bill, saying medical marijuana advocates maintain key status.ve -- spaceusiast enthusiasts were ecstatic about the biggest boost for nasa in a decade. the bill prevents the government from spending money to examine facilities.aughter

eb-5new law preserves the investor program which allows wealthy foreigners to get on a path for citizenship. pages of the washington post, about other shakeups, this focusing on veterans administrations. secretary david spotlight, he is likely to depart soon. the president thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine.

the president also said he wants to keep two senior administration officials in his crosshairs in recent weeks. secretary ben carson and capitoly devos were on hill, talking about issues affecting their department. if you want to see those, you can go to our website and find those in our video archives. line, rosedale, maryland, lee roy. i do not care what the president does in his personal life or what he does now. what i care about, this is the president who is a warmonger. he wants to take us to war. destroy social

programs we strive for for poor people, elderly people, and this president gave a tax break to the rich that will last forever. person, he class gave us a tax break that will expire in five years. not concernedyou about this story? morals because he has no , no scruples. there, i cannot do anything about the way he conducts his personal life. i can only be concerned about things that affect me. him sleeping with this woman or that woman does not affect me. he has already destroyed the office of the presidency. st: byron, georgia,

benny, hello. caller: i don't care about trump. maybe this is a good thing. toalways expect politicians be squeaky clean. maybe he has changed the type of candidate that could run for the future. host: you think people will be accepting of that type of candidate? caller: his party are not outraged by it. that is it. host: bald is next in wisconsin. is next inr -- bob wisconsin. he is on our republican line. continuedis is a attack on the presidency of america by the democratic party. she said she was being threatened. out now aftercome all this time when she got the money?

she has an opportunity to make more. she said that. i believe the democrats are behind this. i believe obama is part of it. i don't understand why he even made it. i believe this is a continued attack of hate, confusion. i don't care what trump did before. mistakes in my life and i have tried to change my life to better. everybody has a second and third chance. host: can i ask you a question? you believe this is connected to the democratic party. give me specifics. caller: everyone says the russians interfered. the democrats have a website , theing america presidency, the republicans, we

are all idiots, the enemy of america. it has that the democrats have offered the ability to help pay for her court costs. i believe that. because the democrats will not allow the truth to be told about trump as into the russian connection, they are going to dig another hole. eirs is stormy daniels, th other hole to dig. yesterday, on a radio show, the incoming advisor spoke with the host about what he sees ofhis job and the two points being a national security adviser. [video clip] >> somebody has to be able to do two things importantly.

tell the president what the , what the pros and cons are, and the president makes the decision. the other side is when the president makes the decision, the national security adviser makes sure the bureaucracy is carried out. it is challenging. i have worked with a national security council before. it is a huge honor to serve our country. i am looking forward to it. a look at the president posta fence team and attempts to bolster that team. this is michael schmidt saying as the president heads into one of the critical phases of the special investigation, the personal team has shrunk to one member. working for a president is seen leaving lawyers

have spurned overtures to take over the defense of mr. trump. -- havee talked any blocked any talks fearing a backlash that would hurt business. the president was two lawyers and just the past four days. one had been hired last monday, three days before john dowd quit after determining the president was not listening to him. mr. trump was also considering a's wife, butgenov she is not joining that team. why don't you say we have a russian in the white house?

wasn't trump also campaigning on infidelity, even after the election? now everyone is saying it doesn't matter. host: to the interview, what did you think of it? it.er: i didn't hear i cannot comment on it. tony, marietta, georgia. caller: i think she basically thatou know, a prostitute is selling her story. get real. to we know morality left the white house in the 1960's with kennedy. is just an extension of what has been going down. immoral follow an

leader. period. host: republican line, teresa. teresa is from spring hill, florida. president isnk our a dog with a bone. this woman is in the oldest profession in the world and through history, how many men have not done the same thing? we are not looking for a person who has good moral standards. keepieve this man loves to people off kilter and watch how they squirm. he is like a dog with a bone. woman, inion of this the oldest profession in the world, which has been happening through history, why should we

pick on one person? of course his standards are not great, but he is a great person. i would think of him as tenacious. good luck to him. he will make this a better world. this allegation, no lasting impact? how many men have not done this from the beginning of time? it is a normal function of the world. host: it does not tarnish the presidency? caller: i have been involved in politics on a small level my life. i am 86, a former catholic. i see him as doing a great job for this country. i do not think he wants to be where he is, but i feel he will do a good job in the end.

we have to get behind him. he loves the way these people squirm. i believe he is like a dog with a bone. i would like to call our president, who i have invited to spring hill, too, and talk to us. been through a lot. i think he is a good man. tell me of any president who have not used the oldest profession in the world. it will never change. host: mitch daniels spoke about -- stormy daniels spoke about personal threats she received. here is a portion of that interview. [video clip] >> i was going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. a guy walked up and said to me -- leave trump alone, forget the

story. he looked at my daughter and said a beautiful girl, it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. i was rattled. my hands were shaking. i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you ever see the person again? >> no. >> you would be able to recognize him? >> i would instantly know. >> did you go to the police? >> no. i was scared. host: the story is the threat against stormy. threading -- threatening someone with harm is not normal. krapper the conservative we heard in the 1990's about liberals having situational ethics, that is still more ethics and conservatives have

now. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. journal takes a look at the after effect of the rally that took place saturday. you can watch it on c-span. signswere a few outward that republicans were willing to give more ground on gun control. senator marco rubio called on student protesters to seek common ground with those who hold opposing views. he said i respect their views and respect that many americans support certain gun bans. however, other americans want to prevent mass shootings but view banning guns as an infringement on the second amendment rights.

scott signed into law a bill that includes the first significant gun restrictions. age toeased the minimum buy a firearm from 21 to 18 -- from 18 to 21. the nra has filed a lawsuit seeking to block the law. organizations are focused on victims of everyday gun violence, not just mass shootings. with cameras.re if you go to our website, you can watch that rally, including speakers who participated. jason, san diego, california. immigrants line. -- democrats line. always talkings

about protecting the borders. he cannot even protect himself. he is having unprotected sex star and then he goes home and has sex with his wife. risk taker. there is something going on in his mind that is very uniquely wrong. anna, new castle, delaware, republican line. lot betterpan has a things to do than to bring up trash like this. will not like it if someone went to your wife and said you were having an affair with somebody. we put up with clinton and his sexual things in the white

house. host: why is this story off limits? it happeneduse years ago. why is she bringing it up now? she is trash. she has a baby. she hasn't even got a father to it. host: using the other allegations are false, as well? yes.r: they are trash. it is always around people who have money. was not from the money, they would not be bothering with him. has a right to file a lawsuit for alienation of affection. as far as this march -- no, no., we are keeping to the topic at hand. mary, democrats line. ourer: we have lowered

bars. since when do we interview porn stars and hookers on the news? women who is your your everyday woman who is raped. it lou -- it used to be these people stayed in the gutter. democrats vote in a known sex rapist and put him back in the white house. is there something wrong with these things today? nate,we will hear from baltimore, maryland. republican line. story is going to blow over. on the things to worry about, this ranks low. it in my talking about

circles. host: why is this a low story for you? because everyone has a scandal. going toone person is be offended. it doesn't matter who became president. going to find offense. if a police officer follows you for a hundred miles, he will find a reason to pull you over. nature of the beast. it will blow over. host: it took place before he was present -- before he was president. is that why it doesn't matter? caller: it would matter if it post-presidency.

when you wake up and you have concerns about the nation and the direction it is heading, stormy daniels issue is not the first thing that comes to mind. regardless if he was president or not, people are not talking about stormy daniels first. host: some talk about the presidency as a moral leader. in terms of morality, there are individuals who have to make certain decisions. -- so they can find their direction and the past. orther he is being a moral

you take -- the wall street journal's lead story talks about trade with china. saying china and the u.s. have started negotiating to improve access to chinese markets after weeks filled with harsh sides. areas in cover manufacturing are being held by steve mnuchin and robert in washington. mr. mnuchin and and mr. light toser sent out request include a reduction of chinese

tariffs, more purchases of semiconductors and greater access to china's financial sector. mr. mentioned is weighing a -- is weighing a trip to beijing to pursue negotiations. caller: i am 78. when did we care what a prostitute has to say? she is not important. this will go away in the next news cycle. if we want to compare trump to him toy, compare roosevelt, who moved his lover into the white house and then her wife -- then his wife moved

her lover into the white house. let's get off of this. host: republican line, you are next. who does the stormy daniel, 60 minutes, and c-span want to hurt the most? melania, oresident, their son? c-span isunded that focused on this issue. who do you want to hurt the most? host: why do you think it is not important? caller: i do not want to discuss this.

is not important. i think you want to hurt the president. i think stormy daniels wants to hurt the president, melania, and baron. understand, but you called us. why do you think it is not important? she hung up. democrats line, texas. i do not know why the republicans are always wanting to talk about the democrats. trump should be thinking about our kids being shot down, thinking about russia, and everything else with this.

if -- so he can really hurt her, but here are the republicans talking about she is nothing but . prostitute trump had two or three wives. that is what he does. he is trying to hurt all of the poor people when he needs to be helping everybody. is bc, stormy's profession has no bearing on the of choice. sins a married man should not get a free pass, just ask bill clinton. memphis, texas, independent line. it is important the

american people know what he does. he makes the people in his account of -- in his cabinet accountable for their mistakes. i feel sorry for his wife and his son. junior, morenald or less did the same thing. like father like son. ashamed of them broadcasting this on palm sunday. the american people -- if i had a choice to make, i think mr. pence should take over. he has more sense than anyone. host: you don't think there is that long-lasting impact from this interview? people should think,

what you have in there as president, just because your dad and you $100 million think you are a big shot, he is really not. the miss usa, they said he used to just walk into their dressing rooms. his mind is warped. is from the incidence last week about the data collection from mark zuckerberg. we have a responsibility to protect your information. if we cannot, we do not deserve it. this was a breach of trust and i am sorry we did not do more. suree taking steps to make it does not happen again. we have stopped apps from getting so much information.

we are investigating every app that has access to large amounts of the data. there are others. when we find them, we will ban them. we will remind you which apps you have given access to your information so you can shut off the ones you don't want anymore. thank you for believing in this community. i promise to do that are for you. -- to do better for you. caller: we for bit -- we forget about clinton, all of the stuff he did. trump is going to run again. i don't understand why they bring this up. they are not looking at somebody for being moral. i am a christian. i do not believe it is a moral act, but i do not know why we are talking about this. this is c-span. it is supposed to be giving us

information. it is an accusation. there is no proof this happened. host: because it didn't happen while he was president, it is not something that should be talked about? caller: i agree. no one brings up anything about clinton and he did it in the oval office. why aren't they talking about this? host: back in the day, they talked about it quite a bit. caller: they do not talk about it today. he said ie said, when never had sex with that woman, nobody brought it up. and he was impeached. and it never went through. why are we doing this? host: jenny, north carolina, republican line. i agree with the guy just on. i'm tired of them comparing anything with bill clinton.

he was in the white house when he had this affair. that should be the end. i am concerned with hillary and bill and hisn, not affairs. as far as trump is concerned, i think he is a great president. i think stormy daniels is lying. if she cannot identify the person who she says threatened her, it is ridiculous. is a ploy from the democrats. women.oing to be the what is going to be next? this.will overcome we are behind him. sean, silver spring, maryland, calling from our line from democrats. caller: hello. actually i am shawn, female.

invite decision to stormy daniels to his room and sleep with her, that is his poor judgment. she is not a prostitute. she did not get paid. make these poor decisions and use poor judgment in his personal life means he and in hisudgment s heness decisions, decision makes concerning the lives of american people. i do not trust him as a president. i did not trust tim as a businessman. -- trust him as a businessman. people calling this woman a prostitute, she is not a prostitute. we made a bad choice electing

him as a president. this is a writing saying --

independent line, malcolm is next. care that theot president slept with a prostitute. he set the bar for what we expect of the presidency, which is low. what i do care about is everybody giving him a pass, saying he is a human being, we sorry, lost my train of thought. host: what about comparisons to bill clinton?

caller: they are comparing it to bill clinton who was impeached for the same thing. it is hypocritical to me. democrats line, brenda, st. louis, missouri. caller: i do not think stormy daniels hurt from. i think trump hurt family. he knew he was married, had an infant sign - son -- son. it is a wonder they are trying to bring barack obama in this, you know? and he did take all of those women to the debates and different things like that, so your past matters. stand up for your own past, if you want to throw someone else's past in their face.

stormy is not a prostitute. kurt choice of profession is her choice. donald trump knew all of the things he had done before he ran for president, now he has to stand up like the man he was, or the non-man he was, when he was defacing his family. host: similar sentiment on twitter, where the viewer says --trump had the the president should accept these revelations in similar fashion. they proved more each day how little character and judgment to them. one more call on this. we will hear from pat, louisiana, democrat line. caller: good morning. donald trump is getting what he deserves. the clintons are not in office. leave the clintons alone. thank you. host: that is the last call on this topic could move on to

discussions on the work of the senate from a former senate insider, ira shapiro, who has the book "broken: can the senate save itself and the country?" we will talk about that book and the work of the senate, coming up. later in the program, robbie gramer, of "foreign policy," will look at the new players in the national security team. ♪ >> this week on "the communicators," at&t's top lobbyist in washington talks about at&t's plan to buy time

water -- time warner. he is interviewed by technology reporter john mccain in =- -- mckinnon. >> why is it the justice department did not see it the way you did, and what are they seeing different? >> i think the justice department has a very static view of what the marketplace is. if you look at the market definition they put into their trial brief, i think it is a 1990's of you. -- view. the only nod they have given to any of the changes is they take the market and define it as the exist today, though shes ofs, charters, di the world. so they say there are virtual ones as well, but they do not really compete.

i think it is a very narrow way of looking at it. a very backwards looking lawsuit as opposed to where we see the market going and the changes happening in the marketplace. >> watch "the communicators" tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span 2. "washington journal" continues. host: joining us now, ira shapiro, the author of "broken: can the senate save itself and the country?" he also served as the former chief of staff for senator jay rockefeller. that morning. -- good morning. a little more on your background, not only your job, but the things you involved yourself in. senatei worked in the for about 12 years for a number of democratic senators, although as an internon it for a republican senator nearly 50 years ago. i had a long love of the senate.

i was in the majority and the minority, committee staff and personal staff, and leadership staff, and worked on things as diverse as the ethics code to metro funding to foreign intelligence surveillance act. 12 wonderful years. five -- the first five in the majority. minority.n the host: as far as the process, how does that differ from the house, and why is that important? guest: i talk about what we used mycall the "great senate" in first book, and then i renamed it out there mike mansfield, who i think was the greatest senate leader. the senate has always, at its best, worked in a bipartisan way. because of the general wire meant that you needed a super majority, it was the place where the parties came together to

reconcile diverse interests. describeddale once the senate, at its best, as the mediator. this is where we bring together the diverse interests of this .ountry and find common ground that is what has been lost over a long period of time. host: that leads to your present conclusion. and your title, you describe it as "broken." what makes you come to that conclusion? guest: that is the least controversial point you can do it. frankly, everyone agrees the senate is broken. the senators cannot stop talking about how broken it is. they give speeches, write articles, write books are the only thing they have not done is fix it. host: in terms of how is it broken, give specifics. guest: sure. basically, what has happened in recent years -- not so recent, but particularly the last decade, senate leaders used to

work together. it was an obligation to work together. they were a leadership team. over the last 20 years, and accelerating over the last 10, senate leaders became tribal leaders. they led -- the democratic leader let the democrats, the republican leader led the republicans. that is not the way the senate is supposed to work. ritariane is a majo institution. it works that way. by the senate, the leaders have the obligation to come together and make it work. mcconnell team failed that test. host: we will expand on that. i invite people to call in and talk to our guest about his book. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. sweet as that @cspanwj.

leader mcconnell then. what is his role in this? guest: senator mcconnell, if you define power in terms of the ability to a cobbler your objectives and prevent your opponents from accounting there's, nobody has been more powerful than senator mcconnell. he has been very effective. but that is as a republican senate different from a leader, where you're trying to bring people together and a copper something as a nation. if you go back to 2009, when barack obama was coming into office, and we were on the verge of teetering into the second great depression, that was a moment when leaders would usually come together and say we have to deal with this national economic emergency. that was not what happened. senator mcconnell led the republicans in opposing the economic stimulus that was vitally necessary to start as

back some kind of recovery and depressed -- and prevent the depression. inn i cite his strategy doing that, he lays it out in his own 2016 memoir. that is not what senate leaders are supposed to do. that was a moment where you would have seen the president and the leaders in congress come together to work for the country. host: we saw the passage of this large on the bus bill. -- omnibus bill. is there a case in that bipartisanship can be done? some cases, some bipartisanship can be done. in this case, the public is that republicans want to enormous increases in military spending, the democrats wanted domestic spending. so it was possible, on a transactional basis, to do something. if you look at the failure on immigration or look back to 2017

at the repeated efforts to repeal the affordable care act without hearings, without markups, without amendments, that is a failure of the senate. the senate was not supposed to work in that kind of partisan way. host: a leader mcconnell's case, work inasier to politics when you have the white house and congress under control? guest: i have to bring up leader mcconnell, because he is a big part of senate history. he is finishing his 12th year as senate leader. he has made a mark. the question is what kind of mark it is. if you go back to the obama years, it was implacable opposition. depends on a certain amount of minority cooperation, and it was not there. majority,ets into the and he becomes a steamroller. so that things start passing,

like the tax bill, with 50 votes or 51 votes, rather than a super majority. ive,as been very effect but the cost has been high for the senate. host: again, the book --"broken: can the senate save itself and the country?" ira shapiro our guest. we have calls lined up for you. first one is from john in bethesda, maryland, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i just have to disagree when you lay all the blame at mcconnell's feet. when you look at what harry reid did to the senate, he put the filibuster rule in play. he was a disaster for the country, because he would not pass any budgets. he stonewalled both the democrats and the republicans when president obama was trying to get things passed. he has been an unmitigated

disaster, and his chickens are now coming home to roost. guest: well, you're making the point that many republicans do make, and i do not believe senator reid was a successful leader. teamnk the reid-mcconnell failed the senate starting in 2005 until 2007. however, the difference is in it years, --or the obama is senator reid, for the obama years, was trying to enact their program of an elected president and reelected president. mr. mcconnell only had to oppose, and he did with rate effectiveness. -- great effectiveness. if you look back at how other minority leaders functioned, they functioned so as to oppose the president on certain things and work with him on others. i do not see any of that kind of

working together that would have characterized howard baker or robert dole, the earlier senate leaders. host: was there a willingness, as you would see it then, with current minority leader chuck schumer, then? current think the minority leader is capable of making bipartisan deals. he has a history of it. he worked very effectively in 2013 on a comprehensive immigration bill. the current minority leader is dealing with an unusual situation, namely the trump presidency, which provoked massive resistance from the beginning. so it has been a partisan situation in that regard. the thing i should say to you and the viewers is that i started writing the book in the fall of 2016, when i believed that hillary clinton would be president and could not govern

unless the senate changed. so my book was not about donald trump. it was not about any particular person, although senator mcconnell does loom large in it, because he has been such a force . the long-term decline of the senate created a situation where people looked at washington and said "it is not working." "i am willing to try an outsider because the senate is failing us." host: in february, senator schumer spoke at the mitch mcconnell center about the condition of the senate. i want you to listen to what he says and get some thoughts on it. [video clip] >> we have shown the senate can lead before. it must do so again. the house is fractured. the president is the president. it is the senate that has the potential to act as a beacon of stable leadership and progress

in a political culture plate by -- plagued by division. each senatorhere is empowered where the rights of the minority are not just respected that cherished, where the rules make bipartisanship practically a necessity is the senate. we all know what president washington called it -- cooling saucer for the hot tea of politics that can lead the senate through difficult times. if there were ever a time where politics needed a cooling saucer, it is now. that is what our history teaches us. host: mr. schapiro? -- shapiro? guest: i cannot say it any better than senator schumer has it any better than senator

donnell has said at different times. in 2014. great speech the beginning of his memoir in 2016 starts with the special role of the senate precisely the way senator schumer has described it. yet he has not worked that way as leader, so we have seen on as rammed through simple majority, and we have seen obstruction when compromise was necessary. the minority leader mentioned the rules changed -- what are the long-term effects of the on both sides? guest: the long-term effects have been distracted. -- destructive. the senate is supposed to be this cooling saucer. real butbusters were rare, when he needed the majority and the minority to get

andther to get things done senators understood their obligation, when one person could not hold up the senate indefinitely, that was how the senate used to work. without those restraints, it has become a block on the nation rather than -- it essentially has impaired our progress rather than being what senator schumer said, which is that beacon of hope and common sense that we so need anytime, particularly now. host: raymond, maryland, democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. you are right if you remember, there was a day, meeting to make president obama a one term president. then, senator mcconnell used to allow his supreme court appointee to not have a hearing.

guest: you are remembering some important examples of what happened during the obama presidency. i would add one other thing -- i was kind of surprised, as i got into the book, at just how much power one person, specifically senator mcconnell, could have. one example of that is that in 2015, when he reached what he has said was his lifetime goal of being majority, all of a sudden, the senate started to function. after six years of upshur option -- obstruction, he became a constructive player, and the senate worked, because republicans and democrats were able to work together. that lasted one year and one month. then, justice glia -- scalia die, and we were thrown back into a crisis, because the senator would not allow for the consideration of an obama nominee.

host: that was over neil gorsuch? guest: that was the judge garland nomination, which the senate was not able to take on or even consider. host: in those situations, then, how do you get past those the takend what is from individual senators to make those things happen, at least a sense of bipartisanship? it requires, leaders to behave the way leaders always have. this was an unprecedented action that was taken. there has never been a case where a senate leaders said this is the eighth year of the presidency, so we are not considering your nomination. that is unprecedented. here, i am not talking about policy differences. i am talking about unprecedented heart of strike at the the institution, damage the institution. them is youavoid avoid them.

you do not take this kind of acts, number one. the other thing is it is not all on the leaders. i fault the other senators for not pushing back more. they are not pitiful, helpless victims. they have power. they can assert what they believe. they can assert the importance of their committee's work. aboutthis call him talks -- he says mitch mcconnell, the republican senate leader, needs to keep the senate in session longer so more nominees can be confirmed. he should also consider modifying the culture rules. talk about that in light of what you are seeing with other judicial nominees in the work of the senate. guest: every time the senate starts to make progress -- if you go back to 2013 or 2015 -- whenever the senate starts to move ahead because the senators know what they're supposed to on then they bog down

nominations, executive and judicial. my view is they should have sat this isg ago and said how we are going to handle these nominations. this is going to be our process two to four years from now, because we do not know who will be president. democraticr to the president, the republican president, the country. they have not done that. they have just lurched from crisis to crisis. host: from georgia, republican line. question have a quick and comment. as to schapiro, how do you feel shapiro,neral -- mr. how do you feel on the general stance of the democrats being pro-pakistani and? and my general, is watch out, because pedro might ask about

your current sucks life. [laughter] guest: i do not think the current democrats are anti-israel or pro-pakistani. i do think it is important, at this time -- as i said, i did not start writing the book covers of donald trump through the real question is whether the long decline of the senate has so weakened it that it cannot provide the leadership and counterweight to the president that we sorely need now. the senate has been diminished over a long period of time. now, we are closer to one man ruled that i can remember in my lifetime. frankly, one-man rule sets us on eight catastrophic course. host: does the diminishing of moderates on the republican and democratic side, did that play out in the modern working of the senate? does. it there is no doubt that there is a genuine divide between the

parties that is much deeper than it used to be. i take that as a given. and i take as a given the fact that the political clime is much harsher generally. but i do not excuse the senators anyway. toy have an obligation transcend that, to bring people together rather than inflame differences. frankly, they know that they are not doing the job. they talk about it all the time. that they ought to do the job instead. host: from new york, independent line. good morning. caller: i want to talk about oligarchies for a second. a small group of people have control over an institution. you have multiple senators who have dual citizenship, and you

cannot serve two masters. --i am just wondering congress also passes a budget widely want to go to war, when we bombed libya -- it is baffling how institution works now. you.: i agree with i think over the long period i described in my book, and the first section reviews the long decline of the senate, what you see is a senate that does not step up to its responsibilities over time and loses its authority. it sacrifices public confidence, and it sacrifices its self-confidence. then, after the long decline, it and becomes aive partisan and divided institution. you can see, though, when the

senate actually steps up to its responsibilities and pushes ack, so that last year, by 98-2 vote, they agreed to put sanctions on russia and to tie the president's hand so he could not take the sanctions off. on trade, you could see them placing back on the idea of withdrawing from nafta. so they know how to do the job. on certain issues, they do it. on other issues, they sort of stand aside and say it is too partisan, the climate is too difficult. they have to get it -- get by it. host: what do you think about that as a body able to accurately and fully look into this and come up with something as far as a report they will make to the american people? will: i think the senate

serve the american people by making sure that the russia investigation is full and fair. by that, i mean what senators warnersenators burr and ahead.ng, working i also think the senate would intervene strongly if the president decided to fire special counsel molar -- special counsel mueller or rod rosenstein. finally, i believe if the report of mueller is a harsh report, i believe the judgment of individual senators will prove an important part of how the nation reacts. host: our guest formerly has a long career in the senate and is looking at the current workings of it in his assessment of it, the title --"broken: can the senate save itself and the country?" ira shapiro joining us for this discussion. becky in massachusetts, go

ahead. caller: my comment, or question, is about the comment made as far as the justice and it being justiceented that garland was not put forth -- i am sorry, i do not speak that well, and i apologize for that. i think thatime, it was very unlikely that anyone figured that trump would get in and that a conservative justice would be put forward did it was more likely that hillary would be the person who would get to choose the justice. be put forth in the seat.

i think mcconnell, it really was taking a chance. office,ld be person in on their last year, be able to make changes that are going to affect long-term. host: thank you. guest: i think you make a good point, that many people thought hillary was going to win the election. nonetheless, president obama, in his last year -- early in his last year -- had the right to nominate and expect the consideration of a supreme court justice. no other president has been denied that right. 30 years ago, ronald reagan thenated anthony kennedy in eighth year of his presidency to be on the supreme court. ronald reagan's nominee thought votes,s -- got 97-0

confirmation, because he was a capable, moderate, conservative and has proven to be that kind of jurist. judge garland would have been a supreme condition to the spring court and should have rain considered. host: you deal with clarence thomas, robert bork. what does history tell us about supreme court selections? guest: history teaches us a lot. one thing that democrats and republicans will always debate -- when did the institution start going down? bork, thomas, etc.? standpoint, what history teaches is what the authors of how democracies die really called forbearance. important. is so you do not nominate the most extreme conservatives you probable -- possibly can. you nominate people who can attract and generate broad support.

nomination wask a mistake, and i think how word baker thought asked howard baker thought it was a mistake. he was chief of staff for the president then. i think clarence thomas was a mistake, even before the anita hill revelation, because he was not all that qualified. happenedsidering what with neil gorsuch, what is next? guest: it is interesting. we have heard talk about retirements, and we do not know whether justice kennedy or anyone else will be retiring. but i think this is a place where the senate should push back. advise and consent is what they are supposed to be doing. if a number of senators who were republicans went to the president and said we are only going to confirm a moderate conservative who can get 60 or 70 votes, that would make a

difference. the president would say, i do not need 60 votes, there is no more filibuster. those senators would say, actually, you need sick steve votes, because we are not going 60give you 50 -- you need votes, because we are not going to give you 50 for the wrong nominee. host: from chicago. -- an: i have a comment extremist solution given your diagnosis. you mentioned trade and immigration. if the senators came together. that is what rove the people who voted for trump -- that is what drove people who voted for trump nuts, that people like tillis and rubio and durbin would work together. workerson new foreign -- the gang of eight lp this is

why people do not like the senate. if the senate would align more with the people who directly voted for them, maybe there would be more functionality. perceive that senators are bought off by special interests, like the chambers of congress. my question is are you suggesting we should repeal the 17th amendment? we've well, lok, obviously, over a long period of time, shown how difficult it is to reach agreement on immigration. some in the country are disgusted with the senate because they think they are wrong on immigration. others are disgusted because they cannot take action to protect the dreamers, for examples. that goes back to the basic division. i would say a lot of people in the country are disgusted with the government that does not solve problems. if you look at the plummeting public confidence in the

congress, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they see the congress not accomplishing that nation's business. if you had seen congress come together on economic stimulus or seen congress come together on health care reform, you would have a different feeling in the country about the congress. host: can i ask you about the influence of special interests in the senate? guest: one of the things we heard from the march last week is the nra. how much sway do they have over the senate? guest: the nra has had much too much sway over the senate. the nra, the republicans, have become very much indebted to the devoted to slavishly the nra. the real question is whether the wonderful and strong action of the students, parkland and others, what we saw in the march, a commitment to change

the debate on guns, the commitment to not only march but to organize and influence the election and have a turnout of people saying enough is enough on guns, whether that can change republicans' attitudes or vote them out of office if they do not change. host: senator rubio is one who spoke to students. we asked about influence. he responded. this is according to the huffington post saying the influence of these groups not -- comes not from money, it comes from the millions of people who agree with the agenda, millions support the nra. does he make a case? guest: every poll i have seen suggests the an array has supporters, and the other side, those who want to limit assault weapons, far exceeds the numbers of the nra. it is true the nra has influence. it has influence because of

money and because of single interest voters who very much agree with the position that he is describing. but i think senator rubio, who decided to run again for the gunte because of an earlier incident in florida, should really think about what his position is on guns and, out more strongly than he has. i think he is basically broken with the people that he said he was going to be representing. cheryl,e more call from lancaster, california, democrat line. caller: thank you. i thought i was on the independent line, which is a sign that you just know i am not either one. however, more leaning towards republican. this is why i think books written in 2016 have a lot of importance. however, it seems a little old now that we are actually moving

along. everything he is saying is true. being independent, i understand i can choose -- i can be the decider of which way to lean. that is -- that kind of clears up all of that. i see this in congress working now. it was a different story. as far as republicans, there is going to be a strong -- strong supporters, always. independents -- my main point would eat how can you update your book -- how -- be how cannt would you update your book? even update it to the current trump administration -- host: thank you. guest: thank you for that comment. part one of the book describes the long decline up to the election of donald trump. deals with the first

year of the trump residency and how the senate deals with him up until october. so it is more current than you might think, and i encourage you and others to look at it. host: what is the best way for the senate to go from broke into unbroken in your mind? up on they need to step the important issues of the time. the important issues of the times are likely to include special counsel wheelers -- counsel mueller's report. they also need to push back on potentially catastrophic foreign policy, where we could end up with the president and john bolton, his new national security adviser, looking at war in north korea or iran. richard hoss, the chairman of the council of foreign

relations, said we have a president who is waging political war against mueller, economic or against china and our trading partners, and maybe real war. the senate has to push back against that. we do not believe in one-man rule in this country. host: the book is "broken: can the senate save itself and the country?" -- ira shapiro, thank you for your time. coming up, out we speak with robbie gramer of that the new national security team. later on, in our your money segment, we look at the trump administration and school choice programs with caitlin emma. ♪ >> tonight on landmark cases, join us for gideon v. wainwright

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c-span, c-span.org, or listen wi th the free c-span radio app. resources fors background on each case, including the landmark cases companion book, a link to the constitution, and download the landmark cases podcast from c-span.org or from your podcast subscriber -- provider. "washington journal" continues. is ourobbie gramer guest, a staff writer for "foreign policy," here to talk with -- about the national security team. how would you put into context the shakeups within the team? guest: the shakeups have caused a lot of waves in washington. a lot of people were expecting a shakeup in the trump cabinet, but the way in which it was done surprised a lot of people. rex tillerson was essentially

fired via twitter. h.r. mcmaster was also kicked out in an unceremonious way. thea lot of the focus is on new national security adviser john bolton, and a lot of people characterize him as an ultra-hawk. host: why? guest: he has come out with a stancehard line particularly against iran and north korea, two of the principal foreign-policy policy challenges for the trump administration. obviously, north korea is still pursuing a nuclear weapon, despite this search in -- surge and diplomatic push on sanctions in nuclear saber rattling, where a lot of people are concerned about war with north korea and they have been. thatbolton wrote an op-ed outlined the case for war against north korea.

he is also a hardliner on iran. trump has said repeatedly on the campaign trail, he wanted to tear up the 2015 iran deal that nucleartall iran's program. behind-the-scenes, former secretary tillerson and others, including national security adviser mcmaster, said we are legally obligated to continue this, because iran is upholding its end of the deal, so we need to stay in the deal, which really angered trump. now, he has a team coming in that really wants to tear up the iran deal and take a harder line against north korea. everyone -- that is what everyone in one policy in bc -- d.c. is talking about. host: to call, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001

independents,s, (202) 748-8002. when it comes the john bolton, remind people about the stance he took going into iraq. guest: that is where he has done a lot of criticism in recent days. the rock war, one could argue, is one of the most disastrous foreign policy decisions in modern u.s. history. bolton was a chief architect of that war. he was the under secretary for arms control at the time. a lot of people in the state department and intelligence committee later accused him of the sizing the intelligence that led us into the iraq war. president bush put him forward for u.s.nation ambassador to the united nations, and even then, even in a republican-controlled senate, time in 2005, he could not get through. bush had to put him in during a

recess. there is a lot of concern, but it is not just among democrats. there is a bit of hesitation among republicans. a lot of prominent republicans, to be fair, have endorsed him, but against the backdrop of trump putting old and forth is his -- bolton forth is stance in putting forward the iraq war. host: what about mike pompeo? guest: mike pompeo is, i believe, the first cia department -- had to go to the state department. tillerson had a lot of tension with the white house. itselfy have manifested in how quickly and unceremoniously he was fired. he actually had to cut a trip to africa short i one day because they decided to fire him. there is still a bit of debate , but when he was informed the general consensus was he learned about it along with the rest of us, that he was getting

fired, on twitter. it sounded like there was not a lot of good personal chemistry between the president and tillerson. mike pompeo i'm on the other hand, has a lot of good -- mike pompeo, on the other hand, has a lot of good personality mix with the president. pompeo, who is equally hawkish on north korea, iran, will be a lot more in lockstep the president, have a better personal chemistry, which i think is important when it comes to the secretary of state. host: what about the ability of either man to push back against the president when they disagree on certain stances? guest: that is an open ended question. that is something, even a year into the trump administration, that not everyone understands. there are times where trump

definitely defers to his foreign-policy team. you can look at a lot of foreign hiscies' issues where rhetoric does not match his policies. he has expressed skepticism against nato, get the administration at its top deputies have pushed for more engagement with nato. onhas talked about tariffs china, which he enacted, but now he members of the administration are walking that back a bit and saying maybe we need to talk with china and work something out before we go to tariffs. there are still a lot of debate about to what extent his top advisers can influence his policies. we will -- we have seen it play out in the past where trump has deferred to his secretaries and advisers. host: robbie gramer here to talk about the national security team for the president. we will talk to built first in

florida, independent line. -- to bill first in florida, independent line. caller: mr. bolton has sung nothing but praise for human lives. be hisan example would stance on iraq, going along with that scam. as for pompeo, pompeo has taken more money, as a congressman from kansas, then any other congressmen. he has taken more money from the koch brothers. is who hase that been influencing the republican party. 30, 35 years. host: is there a sense of outside influence on future decisions in foreign-policy? guest: i am not quite as filmy layer -- familiar with campaign finance. but he brings up a good point

that john bolton cannot be iraq war.from the there is widespread consensus that the iraq war was a mistake now, and john bolton was widely seen as one of the key architects for that. what is important to know is the national security adviser, and incredibly important position, does not require confirmation. so while he may have seen more waves of opposition when it comes to senate confirmation, both from democrats and some republicans concerned about it, trump can just appoint him and does not have to work out behind-the-scenes his concerns with the senate. host: and john bolton was on a new york city talkshow yesterday. we will have you listen to what he had to say. [video clip] pattern ofthe real chinese behavior is incredibly

aggressive and assertive. they are building bases on rocks and reefs in the south china sea that are, on a good day, three feet above water. they want to know where they can put their submarines when they develop an undersea fleet. aggressiveery development. there is a panel tomorrow that will talk more about it. what we require is a comprehensive strategy. the president raised issues of chinese violations and their internationalder trade agreements, piracy of intellectual policy, discrimination against foreign investors and business people in china. that is important, but we need a political military strategy as well. we need what we had in the cold war of linkage, the all of these issues are together.

i think the president now has convinced both north korea and china that barack obama is no longer president, which is the single most important thing he could do. [applause] but make no mistake. said recently, north korea it is within a handful of months to having the capability of cropping thermonuclear weapons on any american city they want. the trump administration has hard decisions to make in the near future. if china really believes what they have said for 25 years, which is they do not want north korea to have nuclear weapons, now is the time for them to act. and if they do not act, it will tell us a lot about china. host: that was from cpac in february. guest: outlining his concerns

about china, there is a broad consensus with those views. one important and goldman -- element of these deliberations, when it comes to north korea, is that china does prop up the north korean regime. the north korean regime cannot survive without china. issues the existential when it comes to how to tackle north korea. what he said about piracy, what he said about discrimination against foreign investments, what he said about propping up the north korean regime and also increased chinese military presence in the south china sea, a real geopolitical hotspot, our concerns widely shared by republicans and democrats in washington. it important thing when comes to north korea is to know that the north korean regime is not suicidal. it has shown in the past that

while it is difficult to deal -- it isnot willing saber rattling and talking about going to war with the u.s. it has not actually done that yet. that is why a lot of people in the administration, even the president, who has spoken about talking with the north koreans, sees an opportunity for diplomacy to take the day. host: from michigan, anthony, go ahead. caller: i am more concerned with opinion on whether the trump administration is trying to undermine qatar. guest: another one of the foreign-policy challenges the administration is dealing with ts this big wrist -- bir rif between our middle eastern

allies. blockade, there was a imposed on qatar. rex tillerson really try to do backroom diplomacy and try to hash this out, because there are a host of important issues in the middle east the trump administration is dealing with, not least of which is isis and the ongoing fight in syria and reconstruction in iraq. there, qatar and saudi arabia and the uae are really important. yet when their relationship is completely on ice, that does harm u.s. interest and activity. host: we want to show you an op ed written by john bolton. talk about that and also talk about what mr. pompeo and mr. bolton bring when it comes to future discussions on the iran nuclear deal. guest: for the first year of the trump residency, there was a

sense, after the initial shock when he came in, that the iran deal may be salvaged. proponents of the deal say it was a high water mark for u.s. diplomacy, even if it was controversial and not the perfect deal. obviously, detractors said, no, iran. too good of a deal, there are still a lot of threats besides their nuclear program, including support for terrorism, their ballistic missiles, groups like hezbollah and houthi militants. but there was a sense that the deal could be salvaged, or to clearly because iran was holding up its end of the bargain, straggly speaking. now that pompeo and bolton are coming in, there is widespread consensus that trump is about to pull out of the iran deal. even bob corker, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, has says he expects trump to pull out, which is the new key deadline in the iran

deal recertification. when that happens, there is a lot of consequences to look at. obviously, one of them is the future of our relationship, or non-relationship, with iran. another is our relationship with the europeans. in a lot of european allies put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into the deal and plan to uphold the deal. is one of the ways we are on a collision course with european allies. you are on with our guest. caller: i am calling about something people do not talk about. tariffs, this stuff is made in china, and no one ever mentions that. maybe you can talk about that. guest: that is a pretty good point.

a lot of people do mention it in the context of pointing out one trump hypocrisies in the administration is trump has talked about america first in a lot of ways, in foreign policy, economics, protecting and saving american jobs. you are right. there are a lot of trump products, from the past, made in china. in addition to that, he did catch a lot of criticism when media outlets reported that some , includingrts mar-a-lago, did hire foreign workers. that is absolutely a valid criticism. host: (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. here is ambassador bolton talking about china tariffs. [video clip] >> what the president is trying to do is say i am serious am a you make commitments to honor

intellectual property protection, or not to discriminate against foreign investment by subsidizing your domestic companies, by not discriminating against foreign companies in your judicial system, and i will insist you live by the agreement you made. the united states lives by these agreements pay we have lawyers who spend a lot of time policing american conduct, so we uphold the obligations that we make when we enter into a treaty. all we are asking for here is for the chinese to do the same. i think this could he a little shock therapy -- this could be a little shock therapy. host: does something like tariffs fall under a national security advisor? guest: when bolton talks about linkage, saying china, we will not compartmentalize how we deal korea, foreignth

policy or military issues, that is the job of the national security adviser. take all of this advice and everything going on from everywhere else in the inner agencies, the department of , the, intelligence pentagon, combine them, and synthesize it for the president. it does not fall into his job description on paper, but it is important to remember economic issues like tariffs and sanctions are really an important element. host: can you give us a sense of how john bolton's worldview developed? guest: john bolton is -- he has the diplomatic background, but he is a very on double medic person. ,e made a lot of waves particularly when he was at the u.n., of being very skeptical of international law, of multilateral's editions like the united nations, very skeptical of the european union.

combine that with this uber-hawkishness, particularly when it comes to top u.s. northaries like iran, korea, and it makes a very hard , worldlack and white view. part of the criticism he received during the time of the initial invasion of iraq was , according toly people in the government that later talk to the senate, he actually tried to force out or fire intelligence analysts and other policymakers who tried to bring a different viewpoint or brought intelligence that he disagreed with. there is that there he black and white dynamic that some people are concerned about, yet others see as an asset, particularly with a president like donald trump, who can tell it like it is. host: minnesota, bob is next.

caller: thanks for taking my call. i think that the combination of bolton and trump is probably going to be a recipe for disaster. that bolton is going to -- well, he isis going to try to influence trump to go to war with korea. i do not like the sound of that. is anly thing that bolton positive is he is anti-russia. i do not think he is going to get along with trauma that way. -- with trump that way. trump has a lot more in common with putin than you think. they both seem to oppose overthrowing dictatorships.

when we went in and launched a cruise missile attack against qaddafi, putin was furious. trump mentioned that he thought it was wrong when we overthrew saddam. i agree the way we did it was wrong, but i think he likes the idea of the dictatorship, and i think him and putin are both autocratic thinkers -- host: got you. thanks. think there are some democrats in washington who may also agree with that line. the reality is regardless of whether you think trump is an autocrat or not, he is in a democracy, and he does had a democracy, and he is the president. because of that, there are a lot of different and challenging plaguecal elements that

public opinion polls, where he is lagging, anger in conflict with congress about a variety of issues, including foreign policy. there is increasing concern among u.s. allies that reserves some of his most inflammatory rhetoric for allies. autocratsr, you know, like vladimir putin. the thing i will say to that is when it comes to russia, there is an interesting juxtaposition between trump himself and the trump administration. trump, himself, has been .eticent to criticize putin but his administration has done a lot to bolster nato, has done a lot to financially punish russia for a variety of things, including the war in ukraine.

voted, in atself rare glimmer of bipartisanship, to push sanctions on russia last year. host: one more call. carol in rochester, new york, independent line. caller: good morning. if the president for up the agreement with the round, how can he make an agreement with korea, and they sign an agreement in good faith with him? thank you. guest: i think that is an excellent question. it is one a lot of proponents of the iran deal are putting work right now, saying, look, we worked for years, both with iran and our allies, to corral everyone around this deal. and we committed to it. now, if we are going back on it, what is north korea going to say? that is a question that will become increasingly prescient, especially if trump does, in fact, meet with kim jong-un.

host: how do you think preparations will go under ambassador bolton's influence and mike pompeo's influence? guest: it is difficult to say at this point, just because negotiations, or talks, like this are such a huge which is in doublend policy medic undertaking. it is important to remember the administration is not completely staffed up. there is this huge cabinet shakeup right before the president meets with the north korean leader. have a u.s.e do not ambassador to south korea, we do not have a lot of assistant secretaries of state in place. with tillerson out, there are, i think, eight of the top 10 slots in the state department are empty, and trump has yet to name them, or the senate has yet to confirm them. it is this huge challenge, this huge diplomatic rift that

requires a lot of work. there are not enough bodies. host: we want to get in one other call -- california, democrat line. caller: how are you? promised myself i would never call into such a program, but if you can tell, i did. the one thing people are not -- letring at this point me say you can look at donald trump and everything that he has done throughout his life, and pretty much correctly assume that this man is ill. look at his present ratings in the polls, and i think he sees those too, and apprehend that he could not be reelected again. i think that what he is doing at

this point is equipping himself with like-minded people so that he can either go to war or threaten war with either north korea or iran. solely for purposes of getting reelected. is thatm talking about theory that most people know about. . guest: when it comes to reelection, a lot of people, even on the eve of the election, widely expected hillary clinton to win. 2020 is a long time away. i guess we will have to see what happens then. host: some breaking news about the expulsion of russian officers, 60 of them, by order of the president.

with russia, because the two top world nuclear powers can't have a bad relationship. administration has taken a hard line, expulsion of year, we and even last hut down a series of u.s.

consulates and diplomatic uildings in the united states in response to this new dip in u.s./russia relations. host: statement from the white house reads as such. steps, united states and allys and partners made have to russia its actions consequences. -- needs to be change in the russia behavior. guest: experts say that russia has overstepped its bounds when to this poisoning. russia obviously engaged in a u.s. and its the allies didn't like. poisoning of another spy using radio active isotaupe-backed years ago, but ais poisoning here was really flagrant violation of international law.

think it is a point where russia overstepped its bounds have calculated the harsh reaction from the u.s. and allies. what about the idea this was multi lateral approach and this was one thing the united multi was okay taking a lateral approach on? guest: yeah, absolutely. like t comes to people john bolton, they're very skeptical of multi lateral institutions, that doesn't necessarily make them skeptical of u.s. allies. i think working hand tunited kingdom, with france, germany, are minded countries obviously not opposed to this. when it comes to institutions like e.u. or u.n. for publication you can view online if you want to robbie gramer, talking about national security

issues. time.you for your host: money segment coming up, school choice programs within administration and efforts to fund those. caitline emma of politico will us for the discussion, we'll be right back. >> this week at&t's top obbyist, robert quinn talks about at&t's plan to buy time warner and why the u.s. justice suit ment brought a trust against at&t mrchlt quinn is interviewed by "wall street technology journalist mckinnon. it the justice department didn't see it the way seeing and what are they different? >> well, i think the justice

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continues. every monday we take a look at rograms within the federal government for how much they cost and what they accomplish. our your money segment. us, caitline emma of politico covers education for lioccasion. school choice being the topic. give us a sense of how the trump administration approaches the topic of school choice. guest: the trump administration supportive of choice wealthy devos is a philanthropyist coming from michigan, tonight her career investing in school choice options like expansion of harter schools, expansion of access to private schools, predominantly focused on low african udents, american students have access to private schools if that is their parents want to do. that is really the extent of her experience in education policy. she has no experience with public schools, no experience as educator, as a teacher,

school administrator, she's narrow lens very when it comes to education policy. he really fits the trump administration's bill for expanding access to school choice. on the ident, other, campaign trail, pledged to billion in school options for students, we have yet to see that happen. with pass onlying of the omnibus bill, it illustrates how feels about this, especially with administration desire, what happened there? guest: right. has been her baggest barrier, congress, when it comes investment in school choice done and despite the fact we have republican-controlled little , there is appetite even among moderate republicans for funneling public private schools. that is definitely the biggest that r, last year we saw the trump administration was interested in creating a federal ax credit scholarship program,

which would work similar to a private school voucher, that didn't happen. modest investments in to ate schools when it came the tax bill that passed this year. much e omnibus, pretty rejected every single proposed investment in private schools administration wanted to make with the budget proposal. gain, we see this continued rejection of investing in private schools. ost: some figures for omnibus, charter 68 58 million increase bringing the total to $400 $250 million private-school choice program that was not funded. stop, then, especially with the omnibus, do you think administration desire to see the programs happen? guest: i think it will continue certainly, rier, there are other proposed cuts the trump administration wanted general, a lot of proposed education cuts the trump administration wanted to were wildly unpopular with

congress, they wanted to zero for ederal funds after-school programs, they wanted to zero out federal funds training and professional development and the same time they wanted to make in expanding ment access to charter schools and private schools there is little congress for that. it's hard for moderate epublican from rural state to what round and say, hey, we're doing, when they do not have charter schools or private schools. and federal choice money under this administration ur topic in this your money segment, we've divided the lines differently. for teachers who want to give input, 202-748-8000. parents, it is 202-748-8000. for teachers, 202-748-8001. others, 202-748-8002. when it comes to teachers, how what is theirlly,

response to these type of program? dependingl, it varies on the community. chool choice can prove to be wildly beneficial in underresourced communities, articularly urban communities where you have disproportionate umber of african american, hispanic and low income students destined to go to local failing school. by giving them resources to go to private school by giving resources to send their school to a private school, that doors.open more that has been seen to be very research d of all the out there, really on school vouchers, at this moment in time mixed thing necessary terms of how students are doing on tests, you know, higher rates, one thing we have tended to see in the studies, when parentss are satisfied with school, more likely to say yes d.c., d.c.ularly with

as the program that is federally funded, private school program in the country. typically parents will say they are happier with their school and feel their child is safer sending their child to school. host: before release of the omnibus, secretary devos testified last week and made her case for charter schools. to our website to watch the testimony, here is a bit from last week. funding for this purpose through new grants number that would expand of students vo have the opportunity to attend a school of their choice. this new program, states could apply for funding to provide scholarships to students low-income families that could be used to transfer to a different school. agencies ational participating in the funding pilot d could request funds to build on the flexibility provided by open ishing or expanding

enrollment systems. this way, funds follow children their needs, not buildings or systems. expands ion, the budget support for charter schools by providing an increase of 160 total of 500 million and continued support for magnet schools. host: caitline emma, what is the take-away from that? guest: right. secretary devos faced test capitol hill about private school programs and her support for vouchers. describe there is didn't come to fruition, no support in congress for it. but at that hearing we saw a lot of tough questions on what would this mean for students with if a student is attending private, religious school, that family then has to of acknowledge they are iving up their right to free and appropriate, adequate access

to accommodations for students disabilities under federal law. by investing a lot of federal oney to private schools, she continually keeps getting questions about what will this mean for students with disabilities, what will this mean for transginneder and lgbt a private school decides not to accommodate a lgbt nt with disability or student, what does that mean for them? she gets tough questions about here.sition the same time, you're going to see her continually stand by that any time parents can choose where they want to send their child to school is a thing. host: hear from you at home. start with a parent in d.c., monique up for morning. emma, good go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you c-span. i want to disagree with eshgs ma, when she stated parents the likely won't criticize

schools because of the federal-funded college tuition program that the federal has.rnment i criticize. about rents complain ssues that we may have in dc public schools. a scholarship is not going to from stating our islikes about what is going on n our public or charter public schools. the scholarship program was wonderful for my daughter. year at er last marshall university. she will be going into her masters in august. without that program that john d.c., signed off for in my daughter would not be -- she will be the first in the family college.te from

she will be the first in the masters.o receive a i appreciate that program has started he something within my family that had.ve never host: okay, thank you. thank you. know, i ke i said, you study the scholarship program, a dc-based voucher program that provides scholarships to low disadvantaged families so their families might be able to afford private school in d.c. actually, what i was saying earlier, the surveys and research done around that have shown parents tend to say they are more satisfied are their school, they happier they were able to choose the right school for their child likely to feelre as though their child is attending a safer school. on the other hand, the research tended to f academia

show programs more broadly that soonscores tend to drop as as the child accepts voucher and enters private school, it could for a number of reasons, it could be the fact the curriculum ormore rigorous or different that going to a new school can life.shock in a child's broadly research across voucher programs has shown immediate test scores,cts on but with a stud that he came out ast year in indiana, indiana has the country's largest voucher program, shows students improve over time and judging a voucher program based years tial first couple might be unfair way to judge success. success is michigan's with these type of program? devos, her and er husband tried to get state legislator there to essentially bite on vouchers and they were not successful in doing that.

she has had a very important charter ort of the school scene there and expanding access to charter school and expae pangz of charter schools and come under fire there with maybe the regulatory or safe got backend to ensure charter schools are performing and serving kids well. questions about that. host: hear from michigan, a teacher in michigan. hello., caller: hi, good morning. thanks to c-span. comment on the history that caused all this to happen. i started teaching, i'm retired a , i started teaching at bottomhool in 1968. and line is the beginning of the era of school as for example, my

county here in oakland, there big thing they wanted to basically why kids out of the -- this school in which i taught. and eventually the guy became a big-time politician in open the richest f county necessary michigan. nd the public school system -- toed immensely, it was to technical information and whatever. of that, the t money makers of america, i shall the grand rapids, all are super rich. host: okay, thanks, caller. has,t: well, that certainly

you know, been an issue, particularly in the south. for american progress, a left-leaning organization here in d.c., they last year that explored that and the troubled history of school vouchers in schools and at a time under a ols were mandate to integrate black and white children, a lot of private created to essentially stop that from happening. it is part of the checkered past of private school vouchers. harshest of the questions about the voucher program for the secretary last week about civil rights protections, if the voucher system was used. here is a little bit from that to it. your response >> federal dollars are going to private schools through voucher programs. will you guarantee as secretary that money is at with non --

said, federal dollars -- >> yes or no? >> federal dollars going to any program -- what is your interpretation of federal law? >> i think i've made this clear. say yes or no. >> federal dollars going anywhere for education, federal adhered to. >> so you would not be able to send federal dollars to a school that did not panap lea of full civil rights laws -- >> federal law -- a yes or no, just say yes or no. yes or no? followed law must be when federal money is involved. >> is there some problem, yes or no, will you guarantee -- >> i think i've been clear. yes or no. >> yes. host: that was massachusetts clark.at catherine give context of that back and forth. guest: that is not the first conversation ad a

like that during a hearing on capitol hill. representative clark also sort grilled her over the issue and g a previous hearing secretary devos is in a hard place on this one. schools do not have to abide by certainly protections federal schools do. funneling of federal funds to private schools puts secretary in a tough position, she is essentially the stewart of students, she is under obligation to reassure the country children's federal civil rights will be protected. secretary time the has made the point that state communities should be iven, you know, discretion in is s certain cases. this conflict between state and federal is a tough one for her that keeps coming up again and especially with to students with

disabilities and private schools can't issue that she just seem to get away from. ost: school choice under the topic. david from new jersey, a parent, hello. caller: yes. i just wanted to say to your guest and i was on the local englewood rd here in for 12 years and both my kids schools all ublic th way from pre-k to 12 grade. me, they that bothers seem to be so cold toward trying something new. controlled t has public schools for decades. new jersey, k, chicago, where i grew up, washington, d.c., atlanta, these schools are essentially drop-out happened and what has and liberals, like this had,they man you just

are so cold-hearted, they are unions, ed by teacher's that needs to be said. if you have a school where the proficiency and massive reading scores is less of these none congressman and including the black caucus, which are the most group on this issue, after nstituents poll poll show black parents are in favor of school vouchers. is at the forefront of blocking this? liberals and black congressmen. host: david, thank you. aest: certainly that has been criticism held by a number of expansion, pport devos, what cretary we're doing is not working. secretary devos says time and education in the united states is stagnant, we should be

pushing harder to try new things, thinking outside the box nd that is part of her push this year and last year. it is not necessarily school choice is school part of it. she's been talking about sort of g school and reconsidering how and what and where students learn and she's schools across the country that she thinks embodys often there are -- i think a lot of supporters would be the first to two, teacher's union offer much control public education system. we are not seeing results we seeing.be access , expanded to -- this as far as desire of administration, what is current stance of future union, what are this from to keep

happen something guest: teachers unions, specifically american medication national s and education association, they are the two largest teachers unions country. they are stanch opponents of expanding access to school choice, particularly when it comes to investing federal money into situations like this. though it detracts from public schools, detracts public schools and they continue to make that push. to sort of paint of etary devos as an enemy public schools because she wants to invest in private schools. never seen this public versus private like we do now. host: anna in philadelphia, a teacher. hello. caller: yes, hello. catholic schools through high school. think that we're on the wrong

track here. i think all these experiments going off the past several have resulted in abysmal scores, what was working in the s, there was attention -- discipline. i feel that maybe what we ought do is make the schools local again, have the parents select learning which did work for centuries and see which new l does better, the methods that was successful up early '60s and the harter schools are not all equal. i was with one with asbestos, children were crying with pain. i think everyone has to go back local, it is not a question of money. we fund more money than any country. let's go back and study what really works, thank you. host: thank you. think secretary

difeli devos agree with that on a number of points. flanrgument, as a wealthsy tlo pift in michigan, she got to hoose whatever school she wanted for her children and recognized a lot of families that. have if you're perogative to choose a school for gious your child, you should be able to do that. on the flip side, there are with ons that come funding, pouring federal fund ntoing private religious schools. host: how much information does the government receive about how effective these schools are, how much information do we get? definitely been federal funds have been sending harter school expansion and

repcasion and small amount of money sort of goes toward that. if congress is supportive of anything tis probably federal schools. charter we can talk about results there. religious ivate schools they are really not under obligation to report data to the federal government. a lot tougher, get a sense of what is happening there. is to avoid there bureaucracy, that is the point, don't have a lot of good federal data on how private schools are performing. what a charter school, how define? ed charter school to -- nonprofit entity that oversees the school therefore is, you know,

tasked with making changes in decisions rsonnel or and that -- the argument there, there are t, is that no locally elected officials who accountable for the school and how it performs. host: from our line for others virginia, mike is next. caller: good morning. taking u very much for my call. be commentator seems to very educated on the subject and agree with her, the secretary is in a tough place. and well she should be, that is the job she took. admitted in front of the committee the other morning, she has not visited some of the underperforming schools and more difficult districts. and his wife are both professors here in shenandeah valley. i went to higher level technical school after getting a degree. to school in

arlington, virginia, during where 44 went twice to high school or three times to high school there. my point, i don't think hat tax clz from taxpayers, whether real estate taxes or ederal taxes should be dedicated, that is to say you et a tax credit if you use a voucher system. ecretary devos, as philanthropyist could use nfluence, raise money for alternative schooling, i think your commentator made a good well, whether charter schools or public schools, i have no idea with public schools or charter schools if families can afford that. however, those whose children and gone, we pay taxes to support the schools. he issue is the community

itself being involved and department of education, secretary wanted to do would be involved with both the state boards of of ation, the local boards education and getting in the eeds over whether it is supervision, oversight or as i r one caller said earlier, went to school in the '60s and in aated in the early '70s school district that was in the segregation and diversifying. host: got your call, put a lot out there. emma. guest: right. definitely in untenable position, she's coming from a very specific place in private support for school and expansion of charter schools when in fact secretary to sorttion is supposed of be the most forefront person public schools.

so it is sort of an interesting wants lay in that she federal funds to expand options for students, but same time called for less oversight, less government bureaucracy that innovation and hamper school's ability to teach students and hamper teachers lead aking charge and their classroom innovation and differently. on the flip side, there are will you hold accountable, how will we now the money is being spent wisely? definitely interesting dynamic we've never seen play out on before, at the federal level. host: one more call from lorettanmississippi. caller: yes, sir. my daughter goes to public school. host: okay. roll : and she's honor

student in honor society and two-thirds of the class, what do do when the class is disobedient and hitting teachers able to learn, good students aren't able to disrupt thee others class. she's had where the kids hit the teacher. need other options because she's going to graduate early, ut i may put my son in homeschooling to avoid where he can get his education, the other kids are disruptive. emma. mrs. guest: interesting you bring up the topic of school discipline. come s one that recently up as another flash point in the trump administration, point of y just small background, during the obama dministration, the education department and the justice epartment issued guidelines to ensure poor and african american and hispanic students and disabilities

aren't being disciplined more harshly than necessary compared to white affluent te more peers, that is the problem, research bore that out. racial discrimination are often factor in school discipline. the same time, you've had arguing that these guidelines are making classrooms safer and teachers and school administrators feel all pressure to not suspend students out of school or expel curb school-based rrests so we sort of seen this outpouring of why is the federal howrnment trying to tell us to discipline our kids, the reason i say this, it came up ith school shooting in parkland, florida, last month, that killed 17, the student here, nicholas cruz killed 17

and broward county was leader in school discipline movement nd expulsions and suspensions and conservatives are making the argument maybe this made schools less to r, maybe this nicholas cruz was never arrested and had an arrest and a gun.e to get we have done reporting that says there is no evidence to suggest obama-era policies have anything to do with the school shooting florida, but this school discipline guidance is in the will nd betsy devos, who be leading school safety commission, will be taking a look at that and whether or not repeal that. advocates are up in arms right keep thesewe need to in place, this is critical civil ridts protection and to get of it could be devastating. ka caitline emma,

politico.com, thank you for oining us for your money segment. guest: thank you. host: about 20 minutes left. open phones until then. 202-748-8000 for democrats. republicans, 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002.

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following rapid succession, poised to retaliate off bloomberg news feed. natalie first up on open phones. lie, go ahead. caller: thank you very much. i'm calling to question the devos's position as ead of education, it is my understanding, first, let's go back to her own state, michigan, at the ppens to be bottom of the despite the fact supposed to re and be taking. it is my understanding devos is owner of schools for profit and that makes a great to the man who is our president who also had public/private school money spending and had his universities closed. that people eve understand that devos selection corporate selection and if

i'm correct, black -- her they also and if i'm came out of privatizing soldiers, going into it. i see this as just a push for again, corporating, corporating our united states and our -- cracy is host: okay. thank you. to natalie -- to ellen actually richmond, virginia, democrat's line. about i'm calling also betsy devos's portion, the idea of giving people school vouchers so everybody can go to the school of their choice, i the ve that it overlooks people who have elevated income, not super high get a boost toey

get into private school. ut the people who are very poor, they can't get up to that level. that we just need to to, if we're going to vouchers, sure that the people who p couldn't get into school or partially money to et into school, rather than giving them out and making it of ible for huge numbers eople who don't want to go to public school pause of segregation or something like that. ellen, thank you very much

for the call. olitico reporting about the comments rick santorum, he made commentos cnn, talking about the march that took place last week, but specifically about students parkland school in florida. saying during the appearance on cnn, he was arguing gun laws ouldn't make schools safe, students should learn to responds to mass shooter instead tougher laws here is part of that appearance on cnn. this a political moment? very well may be, that is fine. people who izers, support it, the hollywood elites nd liberal billionaires who funded this, this is all about politics. is this all about politics or about keeping our school safe? it is about keeping school safe, broader o have discussion than the discussion going on right now, how about kids, instead of looking to to solve the

problem, do something about taking cpr classes or try to situations that where there is violent shooter -- >> how are they looking at other ask you, they took action. >> they took action to ask law.ne to pass a they didn't say, how do i as an individual deal with this bullying within my community, what am i going to do to respond to a shooter, those take ings you can internally and say here is how i'm going to deal with this and instead of tuation, going and protesting and saying omeone else needs to pass law to protect me. host: front page of "u.s.a. oday," this morning, takes a look at red flag gun laws across the united states. nicole guard anno, law enforcement can seek a court to temporarily restrict people access to firearm when is flags that are danger to themselves or other, after shooting florida became to pass red flag law

and other state lawmakers ntroduced flurry of new bills, including legislation and handful of states according to safety, wn for gun advocacy group. front page of "u.s.a. today." "new ss section of the york times" this morning, they show story about remington outdoor, oldest firearm manufacturer in the united states filed for bankruptcy amid tion on sunday mounting debt and declining sales. was un maker said it nearing bankruptcy filing made t official in court and said it 1 filing rton had debt and will continue to operate while under bankruptcy assets between $100 million and $500 million. buffa buffalo, new york, kyle is next. republican line. >> good morning, pedro. in on charter school portion of it we're talking about. teacher public school for 14 years and over the last

eight years i noticed we get a charter school students notice that nd i these charter schools, what they have done, especially the ones have successful test score rates, they've weeded out the apples, so to speak and kicked them out before the exam times. behavior, got the the student ore could mess up the scores, the tests that usually happens may, the student is publicly put back to the schools, who lose funding because that money goes to schools. aren't er schools necessarily -- i mean, they are good, but sometimes they screw they can s because kick the student out, where cannot.schools really

that is my comment, thank you. host: texas is next, republican line. bob, hello. caller: yes, pedro, i hate to be we're n record, but breaking rules as far as education goes and almost washington, se in d.c. as far as education goes, our very concerned about government education. if we get back to the original intent we'll have all this solved nowhere in the constitution enumerated power to the federal government. host: front page of "washington post" takes follow-up look at it ridge analytica, when comes to the story that came out last week regarding facebook, assignedat the company dozens of nonu.s. citizen to to ide strategy and advice republican kandzida candidate n

2014. even as an attorney warned executives to abide by laws in the u.s. the assignment came amid efforts to prevent the company as 2014. "american brand, appeal to political clients," sci group was based in who emerged as whistleblower provided documentsn post" with that sdroib program to win ampaigns for republicans using psychological campaign with documents ssages, include unreported details about the program. isconsin town for the republican party was born in 1854, the u.s. election regulations say foreign nationals must not directly or in the ly participate political campaign, though they can play lesser roles. to any papers this morning, full-page ad from facebook. responsibility to protect your information, if we

can't, we don't deserve it, it message from mark ok founder zuckerberg. robert, go ine, ahead. caller: good morning, pedro. like to make two statements. i'd like to see c-span do a all the guns, the shooting in chicago, detroit, baltimore, washington, d.c., that is where all the occurring, that is very important. the statement we like to make, for all republicans out there, should be a large target on the back of mitch mcconnell the aul ryan because over years they have done nothing to path of the republicans or conservative office. mark meadows should take over paul ryan's job for sure. ost: are you saying that in part and response to the omnibus

bill passed last week? aller: of course, of course, pedro. we've been tuting those people in office for so many years, 80% population says we should be stricter on immigration laws. 80%. -- 70% says we should have a law. like 't have open borders this and reasons just passed a bill that is what the democrats wanted, listen, you can't have sanction your cities where get away with crimes and we can't get them out of our country. -- the e democrat republicans are doing the bidding of the democrats and mitch mcconnell have been against this president i am he beginning and sure, why haven't they called for a special prosecutor? got you, robert, got you. ashley in kingsport, tennessee, independent line. he caller: yes, i was calling about school voucher program, i

have five children, two are age.ol and we started out in public schools, then went to private now we have two, one in each. know, orries me with, you federal money is the reason we was not rivate school so much federal government me,lvement, so that worries especially in my area, all the private schools are religious, how that would affect, you know, the religious the school? host: previous caller mentioned mnibus spending bill, this drove treasury secretary to make comments about ability to veto bills highlighted in "washington post." steve gel saying it was mnuchin that urged lawmakers to line-item dent trump

veto saying it might prevent stacking from discretionary spending into the next bill. should give the president line item vito, said has been ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court, said the host of the chris wallace. mnuchin responds, congress could pass a law to do it. it would be constitutional amendment. need to get into a debate. ongress and presidents of both parties have make halting attempts to restore the 2006, george o n. wbush got behind the legislative veto act which passed republican house, but died in the republican-controlled senate and house ew republican-led advanced expedited line item diedand recision act which in senate. both bills back to paul ryan, speaker had

bipartisan support. rose, good morning. caller: good morning, pedro. i'm calling, i live in flint, an african american, a -- of the school system here. just like politics should be ocal, i believe that schools should be local. all of my family, i come from a large family. them are graduates. only of public school ol system, but went on for bachelors, phds, and after i got my education, i came back and taught in my local school system. a and, you know, everything that detracts from local school taking away lives of the community. we have to get back to having schools, good public schools and we've got to get rid devos.sy thank you. host: washington times, front age, below the fold, story by ben wolfgang who reports trump

administration last week held oil and gas lease sale in the country's history 77 million acres in the gulf and 815,000 acres bids.ed analysts say the gulf is not profitable for oil companies as shell deposit or waters off the atlantic and pacific coast. oil prices are higher than they were a year ago, they are low to activity in ficant the gulf of mexico due to u.s. shale. senior director at the analysis firm smp global. says, several operators will play it safe and continue to stick to shell development in or mid-term given the fact gulf of mexico projects might not start for decade or in a world that could be seeing weaker demand for growth than today. anchorage, alaska, independent line, david is next. pedro, good morning, thank you for the opportunity.

i love c-span, i get up early to watch and listen to you. know, i want to talk about education. ofs just amazing to me, some your callers have mentioned the fact how great our public school parents s and that should not be responsible for their child's education. should bethat parents held responsible and they should the le to make the choice, best choice for their child n. anchorage, we have many failing even though we spend over $18,000 per student. students, all de students in alaska, less than 0% of them are proficient in reading at their specific grade level and even fewer are less proficient in math. though statewide, we spend $22,000. the education industry is to throw more money at it. solution because your return on investment will zero anything more than n. anchorage, alaska, most

failing schools and we have on the f them are northeast side, which are the low income. the problems of in this country that the liberals talk to, social inequalityand income public schoolk-12 system and until we make it better and until we give parents a choice and responsibility to ducate children, nothing is going to change. host: okay. ha from d.j., who is in hampton, virginia. independent line. caller: good morning. have a comment on the stormy story and i hope the news people drop it as quickly as possible. this is just somebody looking for fame. id you ever hear of her before this debacle? nobody has heard of her, she's some g for evidently in the to get her back

spotlight. i have a comment, i know that president trump listens to your hoping he absolutely does not make any comments on this because that would just story going. it is not worth it. a so proud of melania, such classy lady, to see her smiling and being affectionate to her of all the pite garbage being put out there. we know it is more than likely it, als who are behind pushing the story on every msb media there is this morning. disgusting. last call we will take for this, that is the end of the program today. this program goes to you everyday. you for omorrow, thank doing so, see you then.

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