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of the challenges faced by census takers. calls ys, we take your and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. is next.on journal [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncicap.org] host: good morning, on this easter monday, congress remains in recess for the week. next week after the easter passover break. the president and first lady hosting thousands of children their families on the south lawn of the white house for the annual easter egg roll. the way, adition, by that dates back to 1878. 140 years ago, it began during rutherford b. hayes administration. it is monday, april 2nd and washington e journal," your reaction to a weekend of presidential tweets n daca, immigration and the border wall. your reaction to what the president is saying and what it and potentially for nafta

the immigration debate. our phone lines are open at 202-748-8001. that's our line for republicans. 202-748-8000.rats, if you're an independent, 202-748-8002 and you can send us a tweet. we'll read it or join us on .com/c-span.facebook again, the president tweeting deal."re daca your reaction to all of that. this is a story front page of "the washington post." good monday morning. thank you for being with us. trump, no more daca dealing and on nafta. potentially "president trump spent his easter morning here on an tirade.igrant that byline is palm beach, florida where the president the easter holiday weekend declaring sunday there would be no deal to legalize the status undocumented immigrants known as dreamers and threatening to free he north american trade agreement unless mexico increases border security.

the future of millions of undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. s children into peril by promising "no more daca deal." and he directed congressional pass tough to anti-immigration legislation. he wished er americans happy easter, he fired off three tweets in which he vented sometimes in all caps he t immigration laws that derided as ridiculous and dumb. and about border enforcement seemed dangerously lacks. segmentriends" airing a about central american immigrants traveling through mexico en route to the united headline carried the "caravan of illegal immigrants headed to the u.s. phil rucker and dave this morning available at washingtonpost.com. joining us live on the phone is janet johnson, white house "the washington post." thank you for being with us. guest: thank you for having me. host: let me begin with the last "the f the story from washington post" that we just read. once again, the influence of

friends" on the president's tweets yesterday. try to es, i mean, i watch "fox & friends" every morning because it gives me what the president is more than likely seeing and thinking. he tweets time when in the mornings, there's usually a direct connection between what he's tweeting and what he's seeing on television. case, as gain, in this with all these other cases, if e still waiting to see this is an actual policy position that he's taking, are getting more information about this from the white house today? the president just once again yelling at his television through twitter? jenna johnson, what started all of this? what is the issue involving this to van reportedly heading the united states through mexico and why did this get the president's ire? guest: right. ell, there is a group of

immigrants who are drawing to the bortder from central america hoping to seek asylum once they reach here. there's a journalist who has been traveling with them. documenting their journeys. "fox & friends" had, you know, this on sunday. and it's that one caravan that seems to catch the president's attention. it fits with something that he he been saying since announced that he was going to run for president back in 2015. mind, he views just mexicoof immigrants from and central america making a border and the coming across illegally, this situation is a little bit because this group plans to for the most part seek border.t the there are some who may try to neak over illegally but the

president was saying mexico, step up and do something. threat in pretty big threatening to end nafta if mexico doesn't do something. again, this isn't a new threat. has is something that he threatened before with members of his administration are trying now to make right nafta a better deal for both just pulling han the whole thing which could kind of both the economy countries a bit into disarray. host: let me just share with you moment ago, the president tweeting the following. his, again, just three minutes ago from the president at real donald trump. mexico has the absolute power not to let these large caravans of people enter their country. hey must stop them at their northern border which they can do because their border laws work. to pass into our country which has no effective

border laws. people are ows of all trying to take advantage of daca. act."want in on the your reaction? guest: i mean, this is more, saying what he was yesterday. and making clear that yesterday a one time reaction to, perhaps, something he saw on television. that's is something really sticking with him. and my guess is this is going to be something that we're going to talking about all week. the president's public schedule oes not have a white house briefing on it yet. so it doesn't look like have an ts yet will opportunity to ask the press secretary what exactly is the president talking about here? he united states does have border laws. he can argue that they're not enough, that they're not being enforced regularly, you know, but what talking about here? what exactly does he want mexico to do?

host: we're talking with jenna reporter hite house for "the washington post." let's talk about the tradition that continues today on the south lawn despite some cloudy rainy weather this morning. thousands expected for the annual easter egg roll, correct? guest: that's right! the president got back from mar-a-lago last night and is expected to attend the easter egg roll along with the first lady. last year, which was his first this grand tradition, hey had both of them out there for the whole day or for most of the morning meeting with families, posing for photos, and things like that. i mean, let's remember, the get to t doesn't often kind of mix and mingle with big of people, you know. over the weekend, he was down at mar-a-lago and hanging out with sean hannity and members of his

own family. his club who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to be part of that club. day, i w, so today is a mean, we'll see. i mean, perhaps he'll have some with some of the families that have got their children there. or maybe he'll just shake hands some photos and take off. host: jenna johnson, news over weekend with now former v.a. secretary making the rounds on the sunday programs. or did he resign? mean, i think that depends on who you ask. people have erent different opinions about that. feels like he was know, i meannd, you the president has not always cabinet embers of his the best when things start to not go well. as far as, you know, notifying people, perhaps, twitter is the

finding out 're that they're fired. but definitely that's the way that many members of their staff out that these people are getting let go. shulkin has made the argument that washington has place.a very toxic and really felt like he was rying to do his best to help veterans, to help his rganization, to fight attempts for privatization and just couldn't do it anymore. ost: finally, what else is on the schedule for the president this week? guest: yeah, well, we're still together exactly what he has going on. slow start ing a after this holiday weekend. e does have a big meeting on tuesday, the leaders of the three baltic nations so estonia, latvia, lithuania are going to be in washington and are going to meet with him. the white house has said that they're planning on talking business, trade,

energy and cultural partnerships. question with ig that is trump going to once gain hit them for not pitching in as much money as he thinks they should? for security? who knows? you know, we're expected to have a little bit of access to the visit.ent during that and a press conference and so everyone looking to see what the to be by the time tuesday hits. jenna johnson, as you begin another busy week in washington for the president, er work available on line at washingtonpost.com. thank you very much for being monday.on this guest: of course. host: the president saying no more daca deal. our line for , republicans. and 202-748-80030 for democrats. send us a tweet and here is some of them from carol who says the

daca?wing -- no more we should take care of our own people. countries nothing. try getting into any of their countries improperly. sergeant missing when road work was going on and landed accidentally on mexico's side. through abuse and cost. and this from another viewer screaming at his tv through twitter. i guess we have more in common than i thought. finally, the president gets his morning briefing watching television. the world is laughing at us. let's get to terry from north carolina. morning, republican line. c-span. good morning, on the daca deal, we can go to the last administration. obama's campaign slogan, we want to fundamentally country.is you can see what the democrats have been reaping. if we want to talk about racism,

listen to the sunday shows this last weekend, matter it was on think c-span friday or saturday, one of your guests talking about how the remacy and white man in this country is not going to be the majority before long. so america, get ready. this is how the democrats plan stealing elections. have a good day. host: another tweet a moment ago from the president. he says the following quote immediately pass border legislation. use the nuclear option, if to stop the massive inflow of drugs and people. ice areatrol agents and great. but the weak democratic laws don't allow them to do their job. act now, congress, our border is being stolen." that from the president just a ago.nt let's go to connie from illinois. independent line. good morning. yeah.r: you guys are doing a big deal on

donald trump. i didn't see a big deal when told us obama americans all last that the year year he was in office, if you want a job, you a better school, get education. you can have a job. nd his last trip was to guatemala, honduras. ou played a little tiny bit of his thing from down there on c-span. americans are lazy. laziest people he ever saw in his life. don't you do a big segment on that? ost: we did talk about that although let's be clear. he never used those exact words. caller: well, more or less that's what he told them! host: that's your interpretation ecause he didn't use those words. we'll go on to bill in houston, texas. democrats line. good morning. delusional guy is

and i'm sick of him going to florida every weekend. host: john from decatur, illinois. saying no more daca deal. your response? caller: i think it's pitiful. did you guys notice sinclair in my hometown? that's fake news. host: getting a lot of attention over the last 24 hours. john, thank you. on to brian from casco, michigan. independent line. good morning. morning, sir. and thank you very much for taking my call. pbs yesterday they had a marshall plan we talked about all the benefits that the immigrants do for this country. sentencing e u.s. commission also came out with statistics which shows they are committing 72%

33% e drug possession and of all money laundering. 18% of all fraud. and 20% of all murders in this country are done by 9% of the citizens. the u.s. sentencing commission. and they haven't been able to report in years. that's a federal item. ould you please comment on that, sir? host: brian from michigan, thanks. this is a chance to hear from you. this is from eric, a tweet. whatever happened to give me your tired, your poor, your masses, yearning to breathe free. if you're listening on c-span adio, we're asking you about the president saying no more daca deals and a couple of weets yesterday on this issue, reportedly after watching the program, "fox & friends" mexico is doing very little, if not nothing to stopping people from flowing mexico through their southern border and then into

states.ted they laugh at our dumb must stopn laws, they their big people flows or i will stop their cash. nafta need wall. went on to say the big flows of people are trying to take advantage of daca and act.all want in on the that's from the president. a tweet saying border patrol to ts are not allowed properly do their job along the border and went on to say ecause of the ridiculous liberal democrat laws like catch and release, getting more caravans coming. republicans must go for the pass tough on to laws now, no more daca deal. exclamation mark. reaction on all of this? we'll go to larry joining us hernando, mississippi. go ahead, please. caller: good morning. pissed at our country far from sean hannity he is. one other thing, some

were calling in last week talking about prayer in school. in school in the 1950s and early 1960s and white black still hanging people from trees, burning their families up in houses. and going to church on sunday. and doing the same thing after they get out of church on sunday church on sunday. have a nice day. host: from washburn, maine. leslie is next. this headline from "washington post".com. no more daca deal, the president threatens to stop the nafta if mexico doesn't do better to securing the wall. leslie, good morning from washburn, maine, republican line. go ahead. good morning. stop, i ke we need to support negative population growth and i believe that daca ended immediately. host: ann from alexandria, virginia, democrats line. good morning. hi, thank you for taking my call. i would like to say that to a

that think that immigrants are coming over here job, t a job or to steal a don't realize that the nafta deal really screwed over mexico. they're comingat over here to get their jobs is only fair that we give them all the opportunities. host: thank you. we'll go to steve in perrysville, indiana. democrats line. good morning. daca,r: yeah, this deal on the president is totally wrong. he does is listen to fox news. i'm getting tired of the man telling lies and stuff. has told the truth since he's been in the office. are coming over here because they want some freedom and stuff. host: thanks for the call. let's go to this tweet from the president. dead because of the democrats did not care to act. and now, everyone wants to get daca bandwagon.

it no longer works. must build wall and secure the border with proper legislation. democrats want no borders. hence, drugs, and crime. exclamation mark! ur next call certificate from georgia. our friend joe mccutheon. monday ster, good morning. caller: you're great! love c-span. steve, i want to say that i you know, i totally support donald trump. agree with david purdue and trump on the immigration policy. and i'm campaigning for my nephew hunter hill for governor go around. our county went 83% for trump. campaign, there's tremendous support in georgia for donald trump. nd i just think, steve, that he's going to be a re-elected with a great majority. i totally support him. is booming.rket i think everything -- i think trump is the best president in history. purdue could vid be a future president. and i'm just real fired up and

c-span.i love and i appreciate you letting me come on the line. host: joe, what's going to midtermith the upcoming elections? we're certainly two months away. lot of speculation on whether or regain democrats will control of the house and/or the senate. caller: steve, i think we'll the republicans will keep control of the house. i think the stock market and the conomy booming, everybody i'm talking to and like i say, i've been out campaigning for my nephew hunter hill for governor. to people, people are really fired up about the stock market, the economy doing well. so steve, i predict on your great show that the republicans control of the house and senate and donald trump will e re-elected with the biggest margin in american history. host: joe and our best to your betty, one of our regular viewers and listeners. tlang for being with us. this is the headline from fox news. trump declares no more daca deal after the report of a caravan americans heading into the u.s. "president trump who has vowed

end catch and release tweeting sunday morning that epublicans need to take the nuclear option when passing tougher immigration laws. the president had given congress with a hs to come up solution for the beneficiaries of daca which protect about immigrants brought to the country illegally as children from deportation. also threatening to pull out their free trade agreement with mexico unless the country to stop the flow of illegal immigrants entering the united states." democrats line, norene is next from victorville, california. good morning. good morning. i feel like we need to end daca. we have too many homeless american people that is walking our streets. no place to go. we can't get -- there's people who cannot even get an houses, anything. it's just too many of them over here! enough is enough. it is time for all of this to stop.

they get free education and we college. our taxes have went up sky-high in california. and we are tired! need to -- people the people are speaking. but nobody hearing us. they're just listening to what daca got to say. they have a dream. they talk about the dreamers. this -- we've been the dreamer. we've been the dreamer for a long time, for a long time. luther king was one that came with that dream. and now all of a sudden, they are the dreamer? to make our oing dream come true? end daca. norene from victorville, california. this is from a.j. who tweets the following. of the me the president united states came to his senses. no more daca and no more nafta. and latin america are not allies of the united states. build the wall. and the rest moonbeam referring california.nor of john is joining us next from florida. republican line. good morning. yeah, our great president done what he should have done to start with.

illegals bought these illegal kids in this country. and they knew what they was bringing them in for. is because they knew they was everything for them. school paid for them. their medical paid. everything paid for them. now they're putting them in college and putting them ahead of the american kids in medical school. and they all should be deported right with mocrats them. and nancy pelosi and schumer lindseygo with them and graham and whole bunch of them. these illegals in this country the jobs for these kids. that the opinion is democrats want them here so they don't have a job and they go on welfare the rest of the time. that's my opinion. most of them. and we're sick of them. john, you still with us? caller: i seen your face -- look face.r host: no, i want to ask you a question.

you're saying deport them and to t give them a path citizenship? caller: don't give them anything. deport them. illegal. in here you know, every topic you guys put on here anymore is trying to president up. it's like you all -- host: john, i got to stop you right there. using the president's word to facilitate a conversation. we're not trying to beat up the president. this is what he said and you're phoning in to react to it. there's no agenda here. topic that you all put in to knock the president down. we doing that? caller: look at the topics you put on there. john, wait. wait, the president tweeted this yesterday and today. so he is driving the conversation. we're not driving it. caller: stop. we don't want them in this country. you know, you people -- this show has went down in the last years.or four i can't hear you. you're not coming through. host: i'm listening to you. caller: oh, well you're talking, maybe -- ok, but, you know, your

show, brian used to be on there and the other girls, and them, really greatbe one show. but you people has given there quit listening to it. do and try to beat trump up. elected.o get him not everything -- everybody you put republicans onut there against him on -- you put them on the show. host: who do you want to see on defend the to president? who has not been on that should be on? there. put a topic on why didn't you put christ and the bible on there? all this was and except that garbage that you put on. host: last week, we did a 90 on book tv at the bible museum to talk about religion. the bible and literature. caller: you didn't. until your first hour. you went to the bottom of the

garbage can. this pics on that help country. not try to destroy it! host: you need to help me tweeted he president this issue. we're just talking about it. so how are we going to the garbage? i really need to have you explain that. caller: you know exactly right. he's bad because he's trying to illegals from coming into this country. do you know the colorado post had an article this time last year that $538 billion ans year for these benefits for these illegals and that's not counting $23 billion child earned income credit they're getting that they don't deserve. and it's like over $6 trillion years. that pays for all the stuff that we need and we're taking care of illegal aliens. they need to stop that stuff and stop giving all that stuff to aliens in here. now these kids are trying to get

16 and they e to need to be put back to 21 where it started at. nd they don't even know what they're doing up there. these kids -- these school teachers tell them that i've don't get if they there, they'll give them a failing grade. what kind of school deal is this? you know? host: thanks for phoning in. you watch wife lets c-span again and we appreciate your contribution to the discussion this morning. caller: ok. thank you very much. bye. host: go to joe joining us from north carolina on the democrats line. good morning, joe. thanks for waiting. caller: yes. i'm an american muslim. i'm interested in why a unch of christians would turn gainst the teachings of jesus er, to this daca situation.

have they lost a account of in?lly what they believe i think that's the question they ought to look in the mirror and ask themselves. addition to that, what is the you and that program? from g joe hutchins on georgia to do political advertising? will you please explain that to me? i don't understand that. forumjoe, this is an open for people to express their points of view as you just did and on caller earlier twitter. joe calls in once a month every 30 days as a regular c-span strong nd has a very belief about donald trump. caller: but he also does political advertising! supposed to be a -- a nonstarter for your program from the beginning. host: we're not --

caller: how do you let somebody to talk until clear political advertising with clear candidate's name of clear elections to come? how do you allow that, sir? please review that. i'm going to hang up. host: from north carolina. his is from bill king, referring to the earlier caller. typical trump supporter. blaming c-span for trump's tweets. c-span e joining us on radio, we're talking about the president's tweet. no more daca deal. this weet abouting it morning back in washington for the annual easter egg roll. nd this headline front page of "the new york times." eager refugees corner for jobs in the tight market. patricia cohen from silver spring, maryland, forecasters expecting the rate to sink further this week. complaints about worker shortages from custodians to prodigies has swelled. yet, companies that turn to ray wiley iters like tend to have an especially tough time. he jobs they offer are in out

of the way places. the work is low paid and disagreeable and native menicans particularly white are generally not interested. you can read the full story at nytimes.com. lou is joining from pennsylvania. good morning. welcome to the program. lou is joining us from pennsylvania. good morning. welcome to the program. republican line. caller: good morning. yes, i am calling to say that i believe daca should be ended. herenk democrats come on and say that trump did not have a plan. he did have a plan. 800,000 of them. deportation and border wall security. are a nation of laws.

we have to have border walls. of california don't like it, we should put a wall california and give them to mexico. -- sanctuarys cities and all this stuff. we have laws command they should be followed. i do not have anything were with immigration. i think people should come here, just come here legally. they should stand in line just like the rest of the people that have come here, you know? that is all i have got to say. i am tired of people bashing trump all the time on here. i think the guy is trying to do a good job for the country, trying to bring back jobs, make our military strong again, tighten up the border, and make things right here. and you got people that just do not want him to get credit for it. it do not want to give him credit for anything. i am a trump supporter, and i

will vote for him again. host: we will move on to mike in toronto, canada, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks. first thing, i would like to and thed for c-span service that c-span does for the republic. it is one of the only places that is not totally overrun with left-wing fake news. a couple things people should be aware of -- of the mexicans are allowing the central americans through the southern border after they pay a bribe. they take another bribe when they passed the northern border into the u.s. americansthe central that want to stay in mexico, the mexicans support them. it is only the ones that are coming to the states that they let through after paying bribes. host: thank you. alabama, robert,

you are next. good morning. caller: good morning, indeed. as an independent, i usually 35,000 feet and then come down every november to go and vote. about americarned becoming brown. that is exactly the way it is. but i think people need to go back to their bible, study the words of god, and they will understand. all this talk about daca -- 2007 i believe, ended in at all this talk by fox news tells me is still open that trump governs on a platform of fear and loathing for the common human being. fear and loathing. a lot of those people keep his base angry and fearful of others, others meaning people who are darker than they.

anyway, thank you for letting me say my piece. have a great day, and i will talk to you in 30 days. anotherank you, robert, regular c-span viewer. we do ask that you wait 30 days to call in with your comments and we are talking about the president's tweets yesterday and today. no more daca deal. this one says that apparently c-span supporters want fake news a big leadwant washington journal" to fabricate positive news from trump's friend same tweets come a using his words amounts to negative coverage. from the hill, trump demands a good option and no more daca deal. the president accused democrats of failing to agree on a deal he could sign, saying they just

don't care, while also refusing to sign several bipartisan deals. trump has called for a fix that would include border wall funding. in bristol,charles virginia. caller: how are you? host: fine. how are you? well, i've been watching for many years from the state of virginia. i am an ex coal miner. a lot of these right wingers are hypocrites. they forgot where they come from themselves. they did not care about the people in coal fields, never did. we got badwater. and it is gone. trump is nothing but it big is this man and a liar. now that is what we have for president. you all have a good day. host: thank you. only be a, washington,

independent line. how are you today? caller: fine. i am calling because trump offered a great deal on daca. this is an issue that closed down our government the last .ime he offered them a deal that they should not have refused, even per cnbc. to me thatally odd here it was such an important deal last time when they were passing a budget, but this time the democrats totally ignored it. and the other issue i want to bring up is i kind of agree with john, one of your callers, i think c-span has kind of become a wolf in sheep's clothing,

because you present a slant or nuances that are really negative. they prompt anger and hatred and stuff like that. i think we should try to bring lmer state, to a ca and i do not think feeding the fire does any good whatsoever. host: how are we doing that? caller: for one thing, every article, just about every article that you read from "the washington post" to "the new york times" to "the washington examiner" to whatever paper you read, it is always something negative point of view, never something with a positive point of view. from "the hill," "the washington examiner," fox post," andwashington "the new york times."

hill: is pretty levelheaded, i think, probably the most level of all of them. but i think it is very misleading, let's say, to read a slant constantly. host: let me stop you there. what we are doing here is "theng you here is what new york times" is saying this morning. look at what fox news is saying. here is what president trump is saying. we are trying to put all of it on the table to give you a sense of what is being talked about this morning. there is no agenda. we give you a sense of the articles driving the conversation and then open the phone lines. caller: but there are other articles that do not have to drive the negative point of view. cane are articles that drive the positive point of view, but you never hear about the positive point of view. host: this first hour, we are

faux said in -- focusing on what the president was tweeting about yesterday and today. is that positive or negative? well, it depends. if the democrats wanted to throw away legislation that would have covered daca recipients and future daca recipients and you did not mention to the last guy who called in that they are under a court order not to end daca. that is why all these kids are coming over right now. there is a court order that it cannot be ended. host: ok. you are absolutely right, there are a lot of different issues involved. to theot drilling down extensive topics, and we have focused on this extensively. this is really getting reaction to what the president said. you are right, the deadline passed in early march. it is now handled by the courts.

the president is clearly frustrated, so he is tweeting. we want to find out what you think about all of this. caller: i appreciate that you want to find out what we think about it, but there are other sides of issues that you never seem to present. that is all i am saying. i think your audience would like to hear a bipartisan or at least leaning point of view every time they watch tv. i get up at 4:00 in the morning to watch this. i agree with john. john said that in the last few years, you guys have kind of leaned left, left, left. you are not like that before. i had a lot of great respect for you guys before, but now i see something likeng what i would call the network news programming. you know? i think people are tired of it.

i think people don't want to hear that. they want to hear both sides of the story. they don't want to hear points of view. host: elaine, thanks, and thanks for adding your point of view to the discussion. this is a tweet from the governor of ohio, a potential candidate in 2020. he tweeted yesterday -- a true leader preserves and offers hope, does not take hope from innocent children who call america home. remember, today is easter sunday. isthe republican line, donna joining us from pennsylvania. welcome to the conversation. what i have to say is i do not think there should be a daca deal. to stay all demanding in our country. it would be different if they handled everything differently. the way they are burning our flag, running around this country acting like they belong here. their parents brought them over here illegally.

they are all here illegally. country,t respect our how they are acting, demanding everything. it is just not right. the people that come over here the right way should get to stay. they came over the right way. they did not come over the right way. our grandparents, you know, our ancestors tame over the right way. they did. what gives them the right to stay here? host: donna, thank you. has rules, and if kids are not already here, i do not think they can apply. this tweet from rebecca, there never was a daca deal. donalddrake come in -- trump killed it when he reversed barack obama put his executive order. this one says that republicans have just lost the house and the senate appeared on the democrat

line, frank is next. good morning. .aller: just one statement if people in the united states would stop hiring the people, they would stop coming. they come for one reason, a job. host: thank you. tim is joining us next from michigan. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. how are you today? host: i am fine. how are you? caller: you know, being the i am, prettyn that good come all things considered. host: this is from "the washington times," trump is off theand takes daca table. that is what we are talking about. your reaction? caller: [laughs] well, i just got to laugh like hell, steve. of course, i have always liked the bestaul and jim

pair but i think you got edged up by kimberly. host: we love having her. caller: she is the best addition you guys have ever made. host: smarter and better looking. caller: you are still the best dressed. you should moonlight for gq, brother, make some extra dough. this joe mccutchen guy, he ought to change his handle to a russian hero, ok? andar as immigration goes illegal immigration, let's talk about the real illegal immigrants, the genocidal european land pirates who killed millions of people on every north american continental there was, killed tens of millions of people, stole all their land, and then brought slaves over on top of that. let's talk about the real illegal immigrant and then

called these republicans hypocroids. there's supposedly christians, supposedly republican americans, dsd they are hypocroi because they are hypocrites on steroids and have the compassion of an android. as was the body politic, they are like a hemorrhoid on the body politic. as far as i am concerned, it is not illegal immigrants that are taking jobs, it is corporate america that is automating everything. they hire people for the least amount they can. mexicans and black peeper are not your enemies, white people. it is corporate america, and you better wise up. that is all i got for you, steve. have a swell day, everybody. host: thanks very much for the call on our line for independents.

this is from mary, the amount of hate is reaching lethal levels. and this one says that money should be used from the defense budget. and this one says it is hilarious to say right-wingers "washingtonc-span's journal," they do as much on russiagate as fox news. this is an opinion piece on cnn.com. the headline, trump's ignorance about daca is stunning. most president's honor easter by sending a message of goodwill towards all americans in the taking a break from politics. not our president. just hours after tweeting happy easter to 49 million twitter followers, donald trump again venting about illegal immigration. so much for the spirit of holy

week. tweets, the president has displayed his ignorance of immigration laws, including those governing the daca program. unpresidential. that is from cnn.com. the opinion piece is available online. sue is joining us from flat rock, michigan -- flat rock, indiana, democrat's line. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine. how are you? caller: fine, thank you. i watch c-span often, but i have never called him before. i wanted to call in and give my opinion about the dreamers. i think that they should stay, the reason being that i have this feeling that these are basically good children. i think that america would benefit from those children

being here. and i did not vote for donald trump, and after his comment about he could go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone and get by with it and his people would still support him, that is when and understood that this is the kind of person that he truly is. he entertains, that is true. but as far as the daca are concerned, if something is not done to help these dreamers stay, then i strongly suggest that they just disassemble the statue of liberty and send her back to france. because this is not the america that i have lived in and have enjoyed being american for over 60 years. i thank you for listening to me. host: thank you, sue.

patricia is joining us from minneapolis, minnesota. good morning. caller: good morning. i can help you understand, sue. if you are reading from 90% you justeaning papers, did a cnn opinion piece all negative about trump. you could be focusing some shows at least regarding the fbi. maybe you have done one, i don't know. i watch a lot. but the constant negative opinion pieces you read and quote -- and another thing, when you read trump's tweets, you put in words that are not there and leave out words that are there, and then you use the wrong words. i wish he would read them for bait him, please. second, hang on. i bet there is not one host that voted for trump, not one. msnbc.y, she is on

you guys are unaware of things that conservatives know about. reschedules are negative trump all day, almost every single day. yesterday you had a show about the black panthers. you had two people on that were both agreeing completely with each other. since when does that happen? no opposing point of view about the black panthers. you think they were a bunch of mother teresas or something by the time you got done letting those two go on and on about the black panthers. tois obvious you are blind it, i know it, i know. but i bet you anything that there is not one post that voted for donald trump. thanks. you're not -- thanks for not cutting me off. host: absolutely. this is an open forum. we do not have an agenda appeared we are giving you what

people are saying, including this tweet from jeff flake, republican from arizona, saying there plenty of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who stand ready to work with the administration on legislation to protect daca kids to call america home. let's do it. that is from arizona senator jeff flake, who is leaving after one term. to vernelle from indianapolis, democrat line. you are on the air. caller: hello. i am from indiana. hello? ok, we will go to keith in madison, wisconsin. steve. hi, thanks for taking my call. i am a regular viewer myself. i constantly listen to these republicans complain about you being liberal. actually, i think you are to double a conservative.

you are too conservative for me. i am a marxist socialist and marxists say that the dominant ideas are the ideas of the ruling class. c-span is no exception. you know, the, immigrants, they contribute more they create through their labor than they get and government benefits. this is a fact. studies have shown this to be the case. you can look at the u.s. imperialist policy towards central america and how we have stolen their wealth and repatriated it to the united states. maybe that is why they are coming over here, because they want back what was stolen from them. it is immoral to deny them citizenship. they have every right to be here. and i wish these right wing republicans go somewhere else. why do they even watch the show?

they are being completely disingenuous if they say it is too liberal. go to fox news and watch that. host: thank you for the call. this is the president's tweet yesterday. notxico has absolute power to let these large caravans of people into their country. they must stop them at their northern border, which they can do because their border la ws work. he said these big flows of people are trying to take .dvantage of daca mexico is doing very little to stop the people flowing into mexico through their southern border and then into the united states. they laugh at our dumb immigration laws. they must stop the big drug of people flows or i will stop their cash cow. need wall! is on the independent line. good morning.

caller: good morning. i am an auto worker and a uaw member. was the people i know in virginia voted for trump. i would like to make a comment. these are other people from other countries. if they do not like what is happening in their country, let them have their revolution, like we did. let them have their civil war and battle that out. man, and heood cares about this country. i think it is about time we had a little patriotism and cared andt our jobs, our country, our people. that is all i have got to say. thanks for the call. robert says that the senate has to go nuclear to pass legislation. .ext is josie

caller: thank you for c-span. word daca is concerned, i think we are all forgetting that the president originally agreed to working with nancy policy and chuck schumer on a deal. when they agreed to do it and spoke to the press, the president went 180 degrees in the opposite direction. also like to say to the gentleman who just called from tohigan that we have remember that many of these people coming through now are coming from honduras and all solvent or, to the areas of the ago, there 35 years was a revolution of the sorts. united states participated undercover and other actions that helped these --

destabilize that area even more. they are not safe countries, and if you do speak out against the regime, you are given a great deal of pain. as for daca, many of these young people were brought here when they were infants, and i do not toerstand why you would want act out against an infant. several have served in the u.s. , afghanistanrably and iraq. so i think they deserve the chance for citizenship. i just find it appalling that people are so coldhearted. if you want to call me a snowflake or a liberal, that is fine. readfind that when you direct quotes from the president, that is not slanted. that is actual reporting. for people to say it is all negative, then a negative becomes a negative comes a positive, i do not understand. take you so much for c-span. host: josie, thank you.

"the washington post" in february, trump tweets about "fox and friends" almost three times as often as the border wall. he talks about the role that "fox and friends" has on presidential tweets. antitrust tweets are focused on barack obama. "fox and friends" has a hashtag on the presidential tweets. joe on our republican line, good morning. caller: i am sorry i have to say because youu are on are the fairest of the people that run the show and the morning. gretchen will take a question, and if she does not like it, she will skip the question completely or will go to the next phone call without asking

the guests a question. he hase row -- pedro, this way of acting like you did not even asked the question if he did not like it. greta,irst of all, it is not gretchen, and will have the same philosophy, which is to give you the chance to express your point of view. it is really a chance to have you express your point of view and not really for us to facilitate the conversation, except to try to move it along as necessary. a couple more minutes. we all work very hard to be fair. a call from flint, michigan, democrats line. caller: good morning. one of the earlier callers was right. [indiscernible] wanted a deal with the democratic leadership, what he is doing with this thing, it is a way of driving a wage a

train of americans on the left, no real intention of solving this issue. he also uses it as a wedge to try and get money for this ludicrous boardwalk, which his supporters need to remember that he said we're going to build a wall and they will pay, mexico. wall, he should keep all of his promise, not part of it. have a way for the mexican government to pay for it, which they are not going to, and stop using wage issues to try and divide the american people. the president is supposed to represent all of us, not just those who adamantly agree with him. disagreea now, if you with trump, people demonize you, rather than saying, ok, they just have a different political

view. donald trump will be president for the rest of this term and maybe an additional four years, and then he is gone. what are those trump supporters going to do that? are they going to move to mar-a-lago to worship him? or are they going to come back and participate in democracy and realize that it is not about one man, it is about america -- not donald trump. america first is what all americans think, not a personality. i voted for president barack obama twice. he is no longer president, but i am still an american. these people have to realize, donald trump, again, is a very .ivisive president in fact, the most divisive president i think we have ever had. host: i have to stop it there, but thanks to you and for all of your calls and comets on the president's tweets yesterday and

deal. no more daca from "usa today," pope francis urging and end to the work at the vatican on easter, making a reference to syria. russia is part of our conversation with alina polyakova. she is with the brookings institution. later, we will learn more about at the grow foundation mother involved in all of that and a response to what is called free range harrington. you're watching and listening to c-span's "washington journal" on this monday morning, april 2. act in a moment. a moment.n on landmark cases, griswold the connecticut, is still griswold of planned

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assassination of dr. martin tuesdaying, jr., live and wednesday on c-span and american history tv on c-span3. " continues.journal with alina polyakova is the brookings institution, a foreign policy fellow, native of ukraine. good monday morning. you have been traveling around the world. let me ask about relations with russia today. what is the state of relations -- what are the state of relations? guest: certainly with the events last week with the mutual expulsions, russian diplomats from the west and western implements from russia, we are definitely at our lowest point since the end of the cold war. the last time we had such expulsions was 1986 when the reagan administration expelled soviet diplomats. i think now the chance for

dialogue on operations have been closed. it is an extent that we did not see during the cold war period. it is a very tense and dangerous situation. tit-for-tat on the expulsions and closing down the consulates? lead,is this all going to and why is it happening? we know why, but why is going diplomats? guest: the expulsion of diplomats was a typical tool used during the cold war era by both soviet and american policymakers to send a strong signal to other side when the was something that happened, an offensive measure that was not in line with the rules of the game, so to say. certainly, the poisoning in the u k which led to the retaliation by western countries, was far

and beyond what we have seen the russians do or the kremlin do in the past. brazen and needed a retaliatory response, and that is exactly what we got last week with the expulsion. host: is there any doubt in your mind that vladimir putin and the russian government was involved in the use of that nerve agent on the former russian agent in salisbury, england? guest: there is no doubt in my mind that the russian government was involved. can we say that putin personally ordered that action? that is much more difficult to say, mainly because in the crib it and -- and the kremlin, is not as clear as what happens in western democracies. it is quite opaque. what we have learned is there is a proxy between putin and

various oligarchs. someone is given a general directive, and they have a lot of leeway as to how to follow the directive. certainly, this has all the markings of a russian secret service operation. you are from ukraine, so your family and friends who live there today, how do they view vladimir putin? guest: what is fascinating is that the kremlin's policy in ukraine has backfired on russian interest. which is when ukraine had this massive democratic revolution a protests, ukrainians were not hostile. but now russia is very much seen as the aggressor. putin is seen as enemy number one. the people are quite hostile to russia and putin, but that was not the case a few years ago. about relations

between president trump and vladimir putin? guest: we have not seen them have an official meeting at. from the conversations and various events on the sidelines, i do not know what president trump does not seem to want to say anything negative about putin or about russian policy. his administration has taken quite a hawkish stance vis-à-vis russia. but why he has been silent and not very vocal, it is hard to say. host: we're talking about u.s.-russia relations pretty can give us a call in a moment or send us a tweet, @cspanwj. act imposingcaataa regulations on iran, russia, north korea, pointing to sectors . congress must review ending or

changing these regulations. this is in play now. sa legislation is the most expensive, the strongest signal to russia to the kremlin that there will be consequences for its actions. so far, the trump administration has not used all the authorities that caatsa gives us. it almostes impossible for the president to unit not early remove sanctions to russia. so obama era sanctions that were put on by executive order, which means a president has unilateral authority on sanctions, it is now called the fight it is codified into law, so the president's hands are tied. and then there is the of 30 to go after dirty money, russian oligarchs. the administration has done a few things.

there was the so-called kremlin list that was mandated. it remains to be seen whether or not they will take the step of implementing sanctions against those individuals they identified. they have a lot of leeway, the administration does, but so far they have been quite restrained in using it. host: we will hear from a member of the state department in just a moment. they say this is not tit-for-tat. they say it is punishing russia for their actions. of the we four is out u.s.? who are these russian diplomats or spies? guest: according to u.s. government, u.s. intelligence agencies, there are still approximately 40 known russian spies. american intelligence officers, russian intelligence officers, often go undercover to do intelligence-gathering activities. so we do not know the names of

your these individuals are and whether they were spies are not. we have to trust the assessment from the u.s. intelligence community that they named the people they thought were most deeply involved in spying on various u.s. government and even private sector institutions. it is significant that the two consulates that the u.s. ordered to be closed where one in san francisco in the heart of silicon valley, and tech is a significant concern, and then seattle, near the facilities of boeing. are these connected? hard to say. but it is clear that the message is that you are going to be quite restrained in your ability to get the kind of intelligence, the information you are seeking from the united states, if you keep up this aggressive behavior against western countries. host: here is a member from the state department last week. [video clip] >> the u.s. and many other

countries made the decision to take out russian spies. we do not see this as a diplomatic tit-for-tat. washington is responsible for that horrific attack -- russia is responsible for that horrific attack on the british citizen and his daughter. substance they used. we take this matter very seriously. go ahead. to let you finish. >> thank you. that normally does not happen. caught me off guard. they do not need to act like a victim. russia should not be acting like a victim. the only victims in this situation are the two victims in the hospital in the u.k. right now. and the people who cannot going to the park, medical workers, first responders who are now having to be treated and watched carefully because they may have come into contact with that substance. that was from the state department last week of your

reaction? guest: it was absolutely correct. we have seen the kremlin and whether it is about this poisoning we are discussing or from and even a few years ago in ukraine that was found to be the responsibility of russia proxies operating in ukraine, every time russia denies any involvement and plays the victim. i think with the spokesperson said is right, we need to put an end to this kind of narrative, a false narrative. host: you can get more information at brookings.edu. mike is the first call from atlanta, republican line. caller: good morning. alina, i have a question for you. you said you are from checklist of ocular -- czechoslovakia. it, and is president trump going there? another question, you look like a russian model.

do you have russia blood in you? host: actually, she is from ukraine. guest: i am from ukraine. kiev. it is a fantastic country that i hope president trump will visit. call fromave a hudson, massachusetts. good morning. caller: about 67 months ago, the united states got its missile propulsion technology from the ukraine. is that true? guest: i would have to check on the exact missiles you are referring to. story not seen the exact you are talking about, but i think that is something we should look into. host: what changes do you think will come from mike pompeo taking over for rex tillerson? guest: we're seeing a shift in personnel that i think will signal a shift in russia policy. in addition to mike pompeo, who has been nominated to take over

the state department from rex tillerson, we also have a new national security advisor coming in, john bolton. they may not agree on everything, but we know they agree on a much stronger stance against russia, much more hawkish policy. i think that means the kremlin will face a lot stronger consequences in the very near future, of course assuming president trouble listen to the supervisors. host: will the president follow the recommendation? guest: what is very fascinating and a bit odd is this dual track policy that seems to be emerging. on the one hand, you have a president who is either silent a says positive things about summit with president putin or calling to congratulate him on againsttions or going the advice of his own advisors to not congratulate pugin. -- putin. on the other hand, we have these massive expulsions, the largest

in u.s.-russia diplomatic history. and we have the new sanctions associated with that troll factory. so we have a hawkish set of activities, on the when hand, and then a president who seems to be unsure what to make of russia and mr. putin. i do not know of this will continue, but it seems likely to. host: our guest is alina polyakova from the brookings institution. brookings.edu to check out her work at let me ask about margaret thatcher and mikael what we're seeing with theresa may and vladimir putin. initialtional -- an relationship with mikael gorged off led to discussions on ending the cold war. now there is a tough stance against vladimir putin. is there a parallel? guest: it is hard to see a parallel, mainly because vladimir putin is so different

than gorbachev was. theresa may is in a difficult position. she was minister of interior for many years, and that is when we had the first high-profile poisoning of a former russian agent, and nothing was done in response to that. so now she was forced to act as this was a much more brazen attack, meaning it affected british citizens, other citizens that were in the u.k. at the time some of with the release of a chemical weapon on british soil. we see her pushing the community to respond and pushing the united states to respond. a remains to be seen whether that kind of push will actually and a wayto the table that gorbachev came to the table for a conversation with reagan that led to the end of the cold war and these amazing transformations in the international order. i am skeptical because i do not

think putin is as open to these kinds of dialogues with the west. host: a call from massachusetts, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for entertaining the question. i would like to ask your guest a question. to remove himself from crimea and places like that and the united states was to traditionally eastern bloc countries from joining nato, do you think we could reach a solution on any of these issues we have? i will take the answer off-line. guest: thank you for the question. first off, we should be clear that nato expansion to the former is bloc countries is not -- former east bloc countries does not justify russia's

actions on crimea and the invasion of eastern ukraine. that is a narrative often put out by russian media, but it does not hold true. changes course in ukraine and pulls out weapons and troops from eastern ukraine, returns crimea, i think that would be a significant step that would lead to a compromise the between the west and russia into a betterment and relations. host: a tweet asking about ukraine. did the u.s. interfere in the political process in your country of origin? certainly, the united states' democracy promoting programs around the world is not the same as interference. supporting independent media and society, civil society groups carry up their own activities, and they are not told that they should or should not be doing by

u.s. state or usaid or an international funder of any kind. it is very different from what withussians have done other countries, including the united states and interference in u.s. elections, france, germany, you name it. is an editorial from "the new york times," a colder war with russia. it says, with tensions rising between the u.s. and russia, the cold war channels of communication need to be revised. what are those channels like today, and what changes need to be made? guest: that is an excellent point in that editorial. we were talking earlier about -russiae are in u.s. relationship today, and we're at the lowest point, and i think it war,rse than the cold

because we do not have the same diplomatic relationships we had in 2014 with ukraine and crimea. the obama administration really cut those avenues, working in cooperation with diplomats, usaid department, russian foreign industry, and military relations. when i talk to my russian colleagues, this keeps coming up. we need to reestablish the military-to-military dialogue, because the u.s. and russia have been involved in syria since 2015. dowe need to make sure we not see accidental attacks happening and then that leading to a greater, more severe conflict. the rules we had during the cold war period that allowed us to keep peace, we do not have a nuclear strike during the cold war, and that is because there were those channels with

warnings and can medications. -- communications. now there was an event this past week, and the united states was not informed beforehand. this is why the situation is so much more dangerous than it was. host: our guest is alina polyakova, a graduate of emory university, earned her master's and doctorate from uc berkeley. native of ukraine. alexander is our next caller from florida, independent line. caller: good morning, steve, c-span, and ms. polyakova. i was doing a little research and noticed that you have extensive education and sociology, and you speak russian and german. do the people in the ukraine, and i mean all generations, do they still consider what happened during the second world war and in our present time, do they still have a major distrust

and fear of russia? thank you for taking my question. host: thanks for the question. guest: thank you for the question. we were talking earlier that russia has invaded ukraine. there is a hot war happening on russia's territory that is fueling and supporting and providing troops and leadership for. that is in eastern ukraine. russia also annexed crimea. of course, this has led to a hardening of relations between ukraine and russia. in terms of the public mood, the ukrainian people, i grew up in ukraine and we had relatives in moscow. we really do not see a disconnect between the countries. now those borders feel very hard. i know they lead to many families falling out and not speaking to each other for quite sometime. but thesed joke,

geopolitical events have very serious consequences. host: you have been in the u.s. for how many years? guest: since 1991. host: she is also author of "the dark side of european immigration." previously with the wilson center in the atlantic council. rachel in tennessee, republican line. caller: good morning. citizen, as an american and, you know, i am absolutely appalled by the state of relations between the u.s. and russia, partly because there seems to be nothing but a of weisan group think need to have russia as an enemy. you know, every single problem that we faced here domestically and every problem internationally, it all leads back to russia and putin

for some reason. so i see, on behalf of my government and my leaders, this other discontent -- utter discontent for facts and any sort of interception for the actions we hinges and to undertake as far as increasing tension with russia. we always say russia invaded georgia. actually, no, an attack was launched. russia annexed crimea. a violent was due to action supported by the united states, and their naval base was in jeopardy. host: your response? guest: well, the u.s. certainly could have done something better, especially in the 1990's, to better integrate russia into the international community. one thing you have to remember, if the caller or anybody else

ever watches russian television, for the greater part of the last decade, it has been on a warmongering path. even if the united states does not see russia as an and me, certainly russia has started to see the u.s. as an enemy. ifhave to ask the question, we are seeking some sort of partition, as the obama administration did him as the bush administration did after 9/11, and even as clinton did in the 1990's, there was a good relationship. every single democratic or republican president comes into office thinking they can fix this problem we have with russia. after all of these decades of failure to have better relationship with russia, we have to come to grips with reality. maybe the problem is not the president, not even one party or the other, maybe the problem is kremlin or actually mr. p utin.

from the russian point of view, the u.s. is enemy number one. a relationship with a country whose leaders see the united states not as a partner but as an enemy? host: are there 11 time zones and russia? guest: i believe so. host: what is the economy like in the country? guest: there is a misconception many of us have in the west, certainly when you see the beautiful gold it domes and moscow are you look at st. major russiane cities that are close to europe do not represent reality for most russians. russia is a very poor country. 1.2% of theis only global economy. we have to take that into some context. russia is also the largest country in the world but contributes very little to the global economy. of about the same as

italy. if you go for the east, you have better roads, crumbling infrastructure, dying cities and villages because the local authorities do not take care of their people. we saw some of this play out in a tragic way recently. there was a major fire in a small town in siberia. over 60 people, many children, died. it was a shopping mall. they were enjoying the movies, doing a little shopping over the weekend, and the fire could have been prevented. it was some basic safety protocols. the fire doors were not open. the fire alarms did not work. why? this is the question russian people are asking themselves. one answer is that local authorities are constantly skimming money of the top and cut corners when they build new

construction and when they build new roads and bridges. this, at some point, will have a profound effect. in the people suffer under the putin regime, the russian people themselves. host: our guest is alina polyakova from brookings. michael is next from hawaii. caller: thank you. i have a few questions. a quick question about putin's retaliation on treasonous intelligence operatives, and apparently the u.k. believes that they are reopening massive amounts of investigations on people and the u.s. may need to do that, too. secondarily, if you can give some insight on your percent -- your perspectives on iran and north korea and how the russians are involved in the missile technology, open-source intelligence, that has been

exposed. other individuals in the intelligence community who are tracking it separately, but a lot of that will not be revealed publicly. host: guest: thank you for that question. we know for a fact that russian resources, russian scientists were very helpful to north korea when they were developing their nuclear program. built a strong relationship with iran. itself it is a highly repressed authoritarian regime. it is incredibly problematic and dangerous for the stability of the middle east. we will see what happens.

just to mention, president trump over the weekend announced he wanted to halt 200 million in re-stabilizing -- re-stabilization aid to syria. this would give a path for iran to step in and fill that. host: what would this mean for assad? guest: what russia's role has been in syria was to keep assad in power. host: why? guest: from the russian point of view, clinton personally saw the arab spring and the murder of qaddafi as something that could happen to him. he saw this as a u.s. instigated set up protest demonstration regime change. he blamed hillary clinton who was secretary of state personally for libya

specifically. from the kremlin's point of view, when you see an uprising someone like see assad about to fall and crumble. the president saying a side has to go, that might happen closer to home. even in moscow. not only as an opportunity to reestablish themselves in the middle east as anotherroker but also instance of u.s. regime change. even though that was a false narrative. now russia has one quite a bit on the middle east. they have not targeted isis. civilians. they are targets held by u.s. supported rebel groups. russia is the key powerbroker in the middle east and the way that

the u.s. once was. they have reestablished themselves as a great power in the region. they have diminished u.s. options for stabilizing the region. it does not look like assad is going anywhere. host: if we pull out of syria, that is a big if -- it would create a huge vacuum? guest: yes. the u.s. presence in syria has declined over the years under president obama. u.s. support is still critical to maintaining some zone in syria. civilianmaintaining territories as small as they may be. at least in fighting isis. that has been the prime u.s. target. not the prime russian or syrian government target. when the u.s. pulls out

those oil-rich areas will fall into the hands of assad and into a ron and into russia. host: her work is available at the brookings institute. thank you for stopping by. are going to turn our attention to the issue of free range harassing. one liter -- free range parenting. former census bureau john thompson will be with us to talk about the potential cost of the operation of the 2020 census. we are back in a moment. the c-span bus is traveling across the country on our. 50 capitals tour. . we recently stopped in

sacramento, california asking, what is the most important issue in their state? >> affordable housing and homelessness are two issues critically important. we are losing jobs. we cannot afford to have people live here. economic development is suffering. affordable housing is critical to california. the homeless population has exploded. the federal government is so bad at being a partner on housing issues. we're looking for the state to step up. >> what i'm worried about is the taxes that were passed this fall. i'm concerned that some of the money from the high-speed rail is getting into taxpayers not having to pay for problems going on with high-speed rail.

>> as a first-generation college student, it is important for me for immigration policies to give access to education to everyone in the united states. >> the movement that has been my issue is veterans affairs and benefits. are entitled to certain benefits. they have been slow in coming or have been eroded by budget cuts. >> we need counselors in elementary schools. every elementary school should have a counselor because of all the problems we are having with the gun issue. i think this bill should be passed through the state of california. b 1634.alled a

the governor said he is not going to support at this time. i would like to see that happen. i think it will solve a lot of problems for teachers and schools. >> voices from the states on c-span. >> wednesday morning, we are in helena, montana. montana lieutenant governor mike duringwill be our guest washington journal starting at 9:30 a.m. eastern. >> washington journal continues. host: joining us from new york, lenore skenazy. president of the website let grow.org. explain the free range movement.

guest: the free range movement is the movement of parents and generally the american public that was to be able to give kids back their independence. the old childhood we had. we havets the idea that that our kids are in constant danger. i grew up in the suburbs of chicago. i now live in new york. host: this goes back to 2008 and 2009. you are raising your son in new york. one of the issues you that that -- that came up was allowing him to travel on the subway system. guest: that is exactly it. it was 10 years ago yesterday that i wrote a column in the new york sun called why i let my nine-year-old ride the subway alone. two days after the column

appeared, i was on the today show and fox news and npr defending my decision. it was controversial not just because it was the subway and everyone has seen the subway and it is always scary, but because i let my son out of my sight. i trusted him to make his way in the world. that weekend, i started the range -- the blog, free kids. i want them to live. i do not think kids need a security detail every time they leave the house. that is when i started hearing about just how incredibly overprotective and worried we have become as a generation of parents in a way that our parents never worried about us. our parents loved us just the same. the crime rate was higher in the 1970's and 1980's than it is now. our parents worried less and let us do more.

now free range kids has become a nonprofit because we have a board and a budget. it is called let grow. host: is there a difference between letting your child play in the neighborhood for example in scarsdale, new york versus in midtown manhattan. ? guest: it is a different neighborhood. you know best if you think your kid is ready for it. if you teach them what you need to know -- what they need to know, it is up to you the parent to decide, ok, my kid is ready. i taught them to look both ways before crossing the street. i'm ready to let them. that is all i want to say. if you feel your child is ready to do something, that should be up to you and not some outside authority. it is up to the parent and less they are literally abusing or starving your child.

it is up to a parent to decide. host: we are defining our phone lines regionally. for those of you in the host: eastern part of the country, (202) 748-8000. bill?s in this is utah and the forefront of legislation involving this issue? guest: utah is phenomenal. hats off to utah where the free-range parenting bill was voted unanimously in both houses and quickly signed by the governor. it simply set what we have been talking about. it is not negligence to let your kid play outside. it is not negligent to let them walk to school. is not negligent to let them wait in the car what you take up the dry cleaning. nobody is second-guessing them.

no one is threatening them with the rest. i've heard of cases in the 10 years of running free range kids of parents being arrested. there was a mom in connecticut who overslept one morning because she had been with a dying relative the night before. her eight-year-old son got himself up. got himself breakfast in his backpack. started walking to school. it has become so unusual to see a child doing anything on their own. it is like a lemur escaped from the zune -- from the zoo. someone called 911 and said there is a child on their own. the police raced over. they drove him to school, which i thought was nice. they turned around and knocked on the door of the mom. she woke up. they were like, where is your kid? like, he started

walking to school on his own. she says that they said to her, you are despicable. they put her in handcuffs and drove her to the precinct and took her mug shot and charged her with negligence and endangering the welfare of a child. to me, that was not endangering the welfare of a child. that was axing best that was at lettingwas accidentally her child rise to the occasion. i am eight, i know the route i can do it. that is subbing to be celebrated. -- something to be celebrated. host: stephanie land wrote something. we must the knowledge how this collective handwringing over our children's lack of freedom -- the poor and especially poor people of color do not have the luxury of raising free range

children. do not receiver a warning if their children are found playing alone. they are immediately blamed or lose custody. guest: she is so right. that is all the more reason we need the law like utah has who says it is not negligent to let your kids play outside. there is a very sad story about three years ago in south carolina. a single mom. her job was at mcdonald's. every day during the summer, she would bring her kid with her to sit at a table at mcdonald's and play on the laptop while she worked. the apartment was burglarized. the laptop was stolen. now, the daughter had to sit at mcdonald's with nothing to do or she came up with an alternative. she said, how about i go to the park and play during the day. there is a breakfast program and

lunch program at this park. the mom said, is that what you want to do? she said sure. she did -- she dropped off her daughter at the park. she had a phone. the third day, this onlooker says, where is your mother? she says, my mom is working. the lady calls 911. the police come. they arrest the mother. they throw her in jail for a night. they take the child away for 17 days because the mother abandoned her child. to me, letting your kid who is a sufficient age to play outside -- we all played outside at nine years old. to say this is negligence because you are poor and not with her, that is crazy. we need a law that says, if i am the parent and i think my kid is ready for a modicum of the toedom, -- no one said i had

be with my mother when i was nine. if a parent feels that a child is ready for independence, if i am working and my kid has to fromhome and wait there 4:00 to 5:30, that should not be a crime. ,f i think he is ready to do it and i have taught him, do not start a fire, do not start -- do not open the door to strangers. that is not up to some other authority. that is up to the parent. host: we are talking with lenore skenazy. she is the president of the let grow foundation. you can follow them on twitter. let's bring in our viewers and listeners. walter joining us from butler, indiana. caller: thank you for taking my call. happy belated easter. it is funny listening to your guest because we were raised in new york city.

i look at the life i used to live and the way i was handled. my friends and i would get out of the house early in the morning. we would get on our bicycles and play stickball in the streets. if we wanted to go up to sears, we would hang onto the back of a bus. it was insane. madness was,od of by the time your son -- by the time the sun gets down, make sure you are sitting at a meal. i do not know if that was the best way to do things. the way things are going with kos out there, it is a sick world. at some point, you have to come to the understanding you need to teach your children to become independent. you need to teach your children to survive. i'm not talking about a two-year-old crawling by himself. --is a shame this governor

the way this government has dictated the way we raise our children. we rode without helmets. it is ridiculous we have to come to this day and age. how are we going to survive unless our children are in the real world? you have a lot of good points. keep up the good points. i think the government should stay out of our business because child protective services are like the gestapo. they will make you do certain things to raise your children. good job and keep up the good work. guest: thank you so much, walter. i want to address two points. what is about child protection services and also about the sickos. in terms of the crime rate, depending on which statistics you look out, either 1963 and

1967, any of us who were rains in the 1970's and 1980's, the crime rate is lower today than when our parents let us out. when i walked to school, i was five years old. my crossing guard was 10 years old. now, we are -- it is not like society has become so horrible. it is not like children have become so helpless and dumb that we cannot -- that they cannot do anything we did. when you talk about child protective services coming in, i was going to tell another story. texas i understand is considering this law. they should. here is what happened to a woman in austin, texas. she had a six-year-old who had been very ill. she was so grateful that he was robust. she sent him out to play.

he was playing about 150 feet from the house when some lady marches him home and rings the doorbell. she says, this is your child? she says yeah. he was playing outside she says. here he is in the neighborhood. a few hours later, child protective services came. they told her they were opening an investigation on her because why has she allowed her child to play without her being literally fell crowed to him -- velcroed to him. the social worker introduced -- interviewed each of the children individually. when she talked to the eight-year-old daughter, she asked the daughter, dear parents show you movies with people's naked parts? the daughter is like, what?

she said my eight-year-old daughter did not know there were even movies like that. they went to the worst-case scenario first and proceeded as if it was like, mom allowing , they went toay they must be so abusive and negligent that she is maybe showing them porn. this is a fantasy of the child protective services worker. let's go back to reality. the reality is that times are safe. parents love their children. they should be allowed to decide when they want their kids to play outside. we all did this. nobody was interfering. interfere when there is actual abuse going on. not when there -- not when kids are playing outside. host: our guest joining us from new york. the mother of how many children? guest: two.

host: charlotte from texas, your next. caller: hello. good morning. calling, i know i remember i was six years old, i had a key to the home after i got off the school bus. i would walk home. my mom was working. that was free range. the time and age we are in today, it is not like where the neighbor could chastise this kid. principal -- those things now, people are more concerned about the children. they act out when they see them alone for their safety more so

than they're trying to make a big deal about it. host: we will get a response. guest: i would love to respond to that. it is great when passersby care about a kid. if you want to be a good samaritan and you see a kid outside and you are worried if they are lost or something is going wrong, ask them. it just has the phone number. we want community. that is the whole key. ok aboutle feel talking to other kids and talking to neighbors, that is great. it is different to talk to the

children versus calling 911 and opening up a criminal case on the parent that is going to cause them time and money and heartache simply because you were worried about the kit. -- the kid. be a good samaritan. help out the kid. skenazy, guest, lenore this is a photograph from 10 years ago. her website is let grow.org. chris is joining us from new york. caller: good morning. is, when has it become the government's job to raise everybody's child in this nation? that is number one. number two, guest: number one is good enough for me. caller: i will leave it at that.

guest: i believe it is the governments job to care about our kids. i do not believe they should be second-guessing every parenting decision. every parent make so many decisions during the day. am i going to have organic milk? send them sit in the public school or charter school or private school. what are they going to wear? the idea that the government would come in and say, you should wear a coat or that is too far to walk. you do not want anybody second-guessing the everyday decisions of parenting. you went the government to comment if someone is so negligent or abusive that the child is suffering. would not douse i it that way or she is sending them out at eight. that is not for the government to decide. host: a reference to what happened yesterday april 1. why you let my nine-year-old ride the subway alone.

eric is joining us from new york. caller: good morning. i am loving everything i am hearing. i grew up in an upstate new york community. city.um density the neighborhoods. every other house had a couple kids. i cannot tell you how it nearing the50, how i draw from navigation negotiation that were developed from those years. forming this group and deciding democratically what is the game and what are the rules? we are enforcing them ourselves. there is so much value in getting an early start. guest: right. i have to say that is one of our big pushes at let grow.

one of our founders is a professor at boston college. he has spent his life looking at how children spend their unstructured unsupervised time. he sees the same thing you do. when kids have to decide what they are going to do and how they are going to play, you negotiate. you learn the compromise and creativity. when you're in a mixed age group like most of us were, you learn a little empathy. you're not going to throw the ball really high as a six-year-old when you are 11. if you're the six-year-old, you do not want to cry in front of the cool kids. you hold yourself together. do you start letting that maturity and composure. you guys go out together. you build something in the woods. that revolves around everybody working together and coming up with a plan. let's not build here, let's build their. when we take all that freedom out of our kids lives, we

replace it with something like little league. little league is great if you want to learn how to hit a ball. if you want to learn how to make the teams decide what is in or out, play it just for fun without anything riding on it, let's all play it with our left hand today. you cannot do anything like that with structured supervised activities. we are so interested in giving kids back a modicum of giving -- a modicum of the freedom. if you live in a democracy, you want to have kids deal with somebody they do not like and figure out how to solve an argument. if there are adults there, they will say, let me do this for you. they are making all the decisions. kids are lackluster. pawns.e the ponds -- the they are not the agents. kids cannot legally give the time to play out with their

friends, we are raising a a generation with kids who do not know how to interact. host: we will go to ron from vienna, virginia. caller: hi there. i do not call myself a free-range parenting, but i did let my kids have a lot of freedom. everybody blames the government. it is citizens who are calling the government. concern, this lack of knowing who the kids are. just immediately call the police. i had that happen to me. coffee.ng a cup of the cops -- you know, you are immediately confronted with an authoritative figure. i have other stories too. it is just, we should not blame the government. we need to look at ourselves a little bit. safest -- i live in the

neighborhood in the world. if i do not go pick my kid up, i am a bad parent. i will leave my comment at that. it until you got home to call the police, you would forget was a nonevent. you have your phone there, it is i easy to feel superior, wouldn't let my kids wait in the car, they're going to die. you call 911.

the wait in the car thing has to addressed, the second a child they upervised, somehow are in grave danger. that is simply not true. our concern about children car is pinging at 11. f a child is sitting in a car and you see somebody in the seven-11 and they are getting a slurpie, waving to the kid, wait car, that parent will come back shortly. chewed out by the f.b.i. for picking up a rotisserie chicken. you see a child in a car seat is he ibm parking lot, that the child forgotten there. call 911, break the window, that forgotten, ren are they are in the car for hours, waiting for a re shurpie, got a

starbucks, it took three she es, she got arrested, let the kids wait in the car. to pediatrician to go through an abuse investigation. to check them for signs of sexual abuse, because she let them wait in the car getting a starbucks. it goes from somebody calling police, the citizens acting insanely, to the authorities power to make it into a federal case when it is not. hat is why you got to give props to utah, where said, ously, both houses we don't want to have parenting decisions that are this minute guessed by the authorities, even if somebody does choose to pick up the phone. i love the idea of somebody picking up the phone and saying, hello, 911. yes? this actually happened in aryland, the matey family were arrested twice.

investigated twice for letting heir children, 10 and 6 walk home from the park in silver spring. the second time this happened, was saved of the call to 911. you hear this man on the phone. know why he's calling. hi, operator. yes? see some kids, they are playing outside. do they seem okay? seem fine, but there is no parent with them, is that okay? i guess now, tell me, it is not okay, i don't know why i'm calling, except i've been a child is alone, they are in danger, i guess from maybe from me. doing?e you i'm walking my dog. we'll be over there soon. came, they put the kids in the cop car and took shelter, emergency the belief they are unsupervised glekted.ey arefully utah is saying that is not the days roll back to the where we expected kids to have

independence, we remember our childhood fondly. steve, let me ask you, what did you do when you were a kid and nine or 10 years old, were you always with your mom and dad? a large family, brothers and sisters all over the place. lenore skenazy, before we let if people are interested in your organization, what is the best way to connect? guest: thank you for asking. i'm president of the new onprofit, let grow, and the website is letgrow.org. ou go on there and click on parents, tips for parents, ideas or ways of making your kids more independent. ways of connecting. if you join let grow, you will other let grow free-range parent necessary your zip code, people joining and you can send them out together, like steve did with brothers and families. find other families and let them o play, come back for sandwiches at lunchtime, see you

then. o reason our kids can't have the same childhood we had. host: mother, president of the foundation, lenore skenazy joining us from new york. thank you for being with us, again. have you back guest: i hope so, too. my first time on c-span. hope it won't be the last. thank you for being with us. turn your attention to the money and the upcoming census. john thompson will break it what is the cost of the census, what questions will be asked? "washington journal" continues on this monday morning, the second day of april. back in a moment.

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much? the -- don't self-respond, that is the most of the census. host: what will the 2020 census tools does the census bureau have at its diposal and how do you make sure counted?is guest: sure. this census will be the most modern census ever conducted. they'll begin by building an address list and they used to ave to build the address list by walking the entire country to check it.

this census they're going to to walk 30% of the country because they are using modern technology. the next phase will be responding to the census, automated, as well. he census will responses over the internet and allow people to call in for the first time and be counted. course, there is still pencil, pencil and paper, some that and the census bureau understands that. people will t respond by the internet. then the operation to collect whormation from individuals don't self-respond. for the first time that, peration will not be paper and pencil based, it will be auto dlts mated, use mobile smartphone to equip the numerator and supervisor to collect information from those who don't self-respond. high-tech. host: census making news was a

potential question, whether or american citizen, has that been asked in past census counts? yes, it has. 1950 census and starting in 1970, it was asked households, f called long form, census had two in 1950 questionnaires, a short form, which is basic information and ong form, which is more detailed information. the long form went to roughly of the population and so citizenship was on the long census.ough the 2000 after the 2000 census, the long form congresseapportion the

every 10 years. the data put out small levels to accurate ir and redistricting. b, r $600 billion, with a federal funds allocated annually nd the census or the census carried forward in top estimates accuracy ensure the of virtually every household the y public or private in united states. so that is why there is concerns. f there is lack of representation in the census hat lack of representation carries forward number of facets and will be with us for 10 years. that is why there is great concern over accuracy of the census. calls e'll get to phone in a moment. at c-spanwj.et john thompson spending three staffer and the last five years as director of the u.s. census bureau, which

under the congress department, is that correct? guest: yes. illegal immigrants counted in the census? tries to countus everyone in the united states, they don't make a distinction ho is here legally and not legally. host: you left in may of last ear tis april of 2018, no replacement, why did you leave and why no replacement as we 2020?ach guest: the reason i left, i felt i accomplished everything i set do. to it was time to leave and let the career people of census work the team secretary ross put together. he put together a good team and the two entities to work together and time for me to move on and look for other opportunities. almost t no replacement a year later? guest: i can't speak to that. involved in selecting the next director. ne would hope if the census is

priority for the administration, they would nominate a director. you?: does that concern we are two years out and 2020.ing is underway for guest: so current acting census bureau is doing an excellent job. i don't want to take anything away from him. the census is moving forward well, excellent staff that are census, but the my n, it's time to have, in census director -- host: how many people are in the day-to-day and how many do you hire to conduct the census? bureau has so the around 6000 staff at they have,s and then in non-census years, 14,000

united states he collecting information on an ongoing basis. staff for the annual census 300 or 400,000 people. 202-748-8000 for republicans and 202-748-8001 for democrats. exchange with a republican from texas on whether or not what the census bureau could be done by the private sector, watch from the month. last >> as an old computer guy, we do he census every 10 years, very few computer systems have an effective life beyond 10 years, with new computer are m in 2020 and here we in 2030, sitting here doing the seems ame thing when it to me you could get with a cloud

service that's secure and we've that the government -- they are there use for other clients and to me that just sense.conomic host: from house oversight hearing. his point have any merit? guest: well, that's very close bureau is census planning to do for the census. need e been testing the for expanded capacity on cloud environment. last time they tested it, they were in the using cloud and they're smartphones, essentially leasing he smartphones for a short period of time and then they're

going back. so they are using technology and yapt ap p and what he suggested. graduate of virginia tech. republican line, good morning. good morning. we missed the first part. good morning. i have a question. with the census, how accurate be when we cannot count say the are -- homeless, how are we getting getting on to them and responses? guest: sure. bureau has s different ways to count different people. homeless, they count the homeless primarily

here they receive services, work with local officials to identify places where the may be congregating. getting st aspect of people counted in the census, what they call combined program, where they why it is important to respond to the census. hire a number of specialists -- it is s, local important to respond to the census and the information is confidential. host: charles from portland, maine, good morning. democrat's line. caller: good morning. i was a census taker in the i still have my pencil.

the air? host: you sure are, go ahead. say, it yeah, i go on to was not an easy job, a lot of not answer questions. also, the -- as well as rich people, it was strange that way. scomb you i had to insurance, one of them, i'm one of you. take a head count and how much allotted. day all of a sudden, i became them," i was suddenly the enemy, you know. host: charles, what was your most memorable encounter when were part of the 2000 census? was also part of a and i was a census taker as

job. host: right. was there one particular moment out when you had -- caller: i had an education, i it.l have my pencil, i kept host: jauohn thompson. guest: i was career executive in the 2000 census, so i appreciate all the hard work you did. a very good e had census in 2000, we couldn't have done it -- billion cost is 15.6 for 2020? guest: that is the current estimate. from bonnie joining us sioux city, good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to comment, i was a 2010 census.or in iowa, we are anticipating

logistics, ek, so some will be covered when you but it more automated, heicism fact remarines, it is challenging, challenging -- northwest iowa is not unique. i would be interested to know for those things that require follow-ups because there will be that, we also discovered people do not bother a questionnaire left on their door and required bit-follow-up. have you ever considered there are better months in the year throughout the united states in conduct the survey that comes every 10 years and so ital and we want it to be complete and accurate, other than the screen? you, bonnie. 1stcensus takes place april of ent

offent -- procedures to deal with various situations that we encounter. host: and when you say april 1st, clearly people can do it up to april 1st. can they do it after april 1st? a good se.'s the census mails invitation to self-respond and the male occurs in the middle of march and leading ail guest: most people who prepares nd, then the for collecting information for self-respond and that starts sometime in may and bulk of that work is done usually by the end of june.

itt: typically how long does take to complete a short sense suns form versus a long form? 10 minutes for the short form. host: the long form? guest: the long form, 72 questions, and so that can take 45 minutes or an hour depending big, you know, your household is. hat are chances of you getting a long form? about one in six. three million are mailed each year. host: back to calls. gus is joining us, with john with the formerly census bureau. taking hi, i was help the 2010 census. our area is a bit unique down here. you have homes that are from up north in the winter time and closed and

in the early summer or fall. responding ut, not and then you had to come back, left a piece of paper and you had those who don't want to in it and those who participated in it. as i said, our area is unique, homes that are residents in the winter. get thank you, gus, we'll a response. guest: thank you, gus. i think you're illustrating why is so important for the census bureau to do things locally. the same, our country is very diverse and so working at a local level to get a good count. is ted, actually lola is next.

republican line. lola.morning, caller: yes, good morning. c-span and i ng a point this morning. and the people having a problem, rights, but l fingerprints to be used in purposes.for criminal they should not be used unless background.criminal and that would cut out the cause census. host: does the caller have a point? well, this is parking lot of the concern, i believe, going n right now, the decision to, if citizenship on the census, i mean the purpose of the census everyone in the in the tates that's

and there is a risk could cause unsuspected make some individuals not respond. ost: ted is next from raymond, new, good morning. caller: how are you? question is, how do you do and ensus on the homeless also, the people that sell their mobile, always're going from state to state, you target.t's like a moving call a place n't home. or decide e job to -- they like the area better. what about the illegals that

come over the line? you never going to get accurate count of people. host: thank you, ted. sure. so that is why the census bureau eally works with a lot of different local organizations, so to count the homeless, the bureau go to shelters, places where the homeless, you eceive services, work with local officials to identify laces where the homeless congregate and count them there. they also work with a number of rganizations that deal with individuals who are very mobile to get the word out about why it important to be counted. host: if a state or community being ait, we're undercounted, especially like communities , can counter final numbers and come miscounted or ou did not include these communities? have numbers bureau of opportunities for local governments to participate and

make sure the count is right. right now the census bureau is working with a number of local governments to address list and make sure they have every housing unit on the address list. ost: go to taylor next from dune, iowa. thank you. this nk you for having program and chance for peep toll have their voices heard. sioux e lady was from center, 30 minutes away from here. of interesting you always have former people involved with your show and people on current your show. that would be nice to have former, not former people show, because r people aren't getting exact views from what is going on with politicians these days. host: we do have current members on, including members of congress. the house and senate in recess don't have one

because they don't have one. caller: yeah, i know, that's true. i don't like the fact former views on there, their don't matter anymore, per se. point, i don't like it is republican and democratic line. thank you for the call. final question, moving ahead needsen now and 2020, what to happen? guest: so the census bureau is of conductingtart an end-to-end test of all systems. done in providence rhode island. it is going to be very important the census bureau to conduct test, make sure systems work need to and also they start building up the nfrastructure to take the census. -- oure going to see the

conversation with former census 27-year head of the agency before stepping down. thank you. you.t: thank host: pro forma --