elect donaldt trump to be the moral comcast or parents to their children. they knew what donald trump was when he ran for office. get over it. let us deal with the real issues. host: and the advice you get the president trump in the story, make it less about the oval and more about america. guest: i respect the office of the presidency and also respect the president. and i takeresident, pride of who we are as americans. but there are times when there are certain things the president doesn't need to tweak about. the discipline and judgment and temperament to not always respond. he sets the tone for the country.

i don't think he understands the impact that tone has on the classroom. is this the most talked about event you have attended in a very long time. i am the director for the center of markets, and it is a pleasure to be the host of this institute's campus liberty tour on globalism versus nationalism. mc, and is an initial will quickly get out of the way so we can listen to our esteemed speakers, and moderator speak. vicente focuses and promotes research related to enterprise and market, missing an interdisciplinary lands to examine how individuals, organizations, and markets can search by the we focus on

developing rep. long: to help future leaders and influencers develop their identity. practicengage in taking our research and curriculum to apply to real-world problems. indeed, this particular event is part of our initiative to bring reasoned and respectful discourse to campus. what i would like to do here is wallace,uce president was been very supportive of these initiatives. and i'm going to have him not only welcome our guests to the event, but also spent a few minutes providing us the context of white events such as these are so integral to the campus fabric. please join me first and foremost want to make and giving

a big hand to president wallace sloan. [applause] >> welcome everyone to this discussion and debate on nationalism and globalism. let us begin with thanking cindy snyder for her support and bringing together the snyder center with the steamboat institute. the institutes mission is to inspire american greatness. because of her bringing us together, we are able to present this discussion and debate. -- verylike to welcome briefly, because the panelists will be introduced later. ofhave the former president mexico. we have nigel farage, a member of the european parliament and

moderator is a member of the editorial board of the wall street journal. she is mary kissel. give them a round of applause, please. [applause] i'd like to spend five minutes or less try to reflate set the context for this debate. writer to hear the debate, not me. thatnk it is significant the professor, he has all sorts of teaching awards and holds an distinguished chair partnership. she is a naturalized american from india. here i am standing before you, a

latino asian, also came to this country, and i am a proud, naturalized american. that is whatcause, is so special about america. that is what makes this debate so special. it is polarized around the world. this incredible amount of distrust, of people not able to listen respectfully, even though they disagree, without demonizing the other side. in that context, i think it is important to set the stage before this debate. years and one, 50 day ago, martin luther king was killed. he was the one who shared with

us that vision, that someday his children and by extension, our children, will someday he judged not by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character. [laughter] speaker: a fundamental mistake. [laughter] afterwards, aars young senator gave an which sheng speech in said there is no white america, no black america, no latino america, the america, there is only united states of america. he became our 44th president. i would think they were inspired by the writings of frederick douglass and the statue graces

the front of the plaza. some of the words are inscribed in the brick of the plaza. a composite nation, and that being a multicultural and multiracial nation. what he said, in this composite nation of ours, under law, there is no high or low. the white or black. there is only a common country. common citizenship. and a common destiny. quartsoned those three because they set the stage. i mention those three quotes, because they set the stage. patriotism,ightened and it is a civic nationalism. defined by aes are

common language or common race. a common geography, but to be an american is a matter of heart. it is a state of mind. this fundamental values that define this country and is drawn millions of immigrants around the world to this country. freedom of expression, free press, freedom of association, the right to worship or you want. -- it is a tolerant accepting democracy, regardless if you disagree. there is civility and trust, rather than incivility and distrust that permeates the country today. as you well know, the model and ingrained,e model unity and diversity, and the

challenge that faces us. you as the next generation faces this challenge. how to have unity amidst the rich diversity we have. let me conclude by education coming to all of the special we do a fantastic job in this university in training you and the knowledge and skills to be citizens and get a job. i'm not so sure we have been so successful in training you to become responsible citizens who know how to live rightly in a free society. not just us, but all of american higher education. fact that my the office has got to many letters and emails asking this debate be canceled. outraged that i come in as president, would allow this to proceed.

i simply feel terrible. i feel we have not done our job. notrole of a university is to make ideas safer students. beis to educate students to saved from ideas, even ideas they disagree with. success, my measure of is not if mines are changed this debate. speakers, where did a great job, if mines are minestened today -- if are enlightened today. thank you very much. [applause] rajshree: that was very inspiring. for me as a faculty member, i am very proud to be a part of the

university of maryland. i know that i feel the same as many of our faculty and students -- at the university of maryland we stand for intelligence, and -- reasonedurse discourse. i want to introduce jennifer aiken, the director of the steamboat institute and campus liberty tour. a huge thank you to tina for connecting us together and enabling us to bring this to campus. jennifer is going to have the pleasure to introduce our speakers as well and talk a brief moment about the steamboat institute and will get the show on the road. thank you. [applause]

jennifer: thank you for that very warm welcome, it is an absolute joy working with all of the team at the ed snyder center for enterprise markets are at the university of maryland. can we have another round of applause? [applause] i also want to thank president low for making me and my husband honorary terps for the evening, very proud to wear these pins on campus. >> unfortunately, the camera is not capturing you. jennifer: here we go. let me tell you a little about the steamboat institute. we are based in colorado. in the 10 years since our founding, the institute has

earned a reputation for offering high-quality programs, which provide ordinary citizens at all of us with direct and personal access to our nation leaders in journalism, media, government education, and even the entertainment industry. through innovative programming and providing direct and personal access to leaders on the national and global stage -- this the book institute inspires ordinary citizens to learn critical thinking skills and to use those skills to gain a better understanding of public policy, individual liberty, and the proper role of government. ago,nday night, a few days we kicked off our inaugural liberty tour at the university of colorado campus in boulder with an audience of nearly 1000 people, despite the fact it was the men's ncaa march madness final. weaver -- we were happy to have

a great crowd despite that. the goal of the tour is to bring recent and respectful debate the college campuses while encouraging that the moment of critical thinking skills. we believe that critical thinking skills can be developed through diligent effort and practice, much like learning to play the piano or learning to swim. it is something you have to make an effort to work at. our second debate, with president fox and nigel farage, was held at the university of colorado's colorado springs campus on tuesday night, where we had another 500 people. tomorrow night will have one final debate at lafayette college in eastern pennsylvania. i like to share with you a quote in an article in the cu independent, a student newspaper at cu. meant connor schofield said i am a pretty liberal person, i would say.

and i found myself agreeing with a lot of nigel farage was saying. [laughter] he went on to say they were both very well spoken. having sat through those debates, i agree totally, and you are in for a real treat tonight. the campus with liberty tour is to teach students and all would hand -- all who attend how to use critical thinking skills that is robust and always reasoned and respectful. want to teach you how to think, not what to think. i like to think -- check the title sponsor, the michael perino family foundation for sharing our vision of teaching critical thinking skills and encouraging free-speech debate on college campuses all across america. without their unwavering vision and support would not be able to bring this compelling debate this evening.

id also very important -- would like the fact that. ed snyder center for enterprise and markets. the snyder foundation and the wap andamily, incredibly generous in helping to you this evening. finally out like to thank the bipartisan policy center in washington dc. they stepped up as a supporter and are hosting a breakfast tomorrow for our sponsors and speakers. thank you to the bipartisan policy center. and now the reason you are here this evening. recent move to's impose tariffs on steel and aluminum imports is his latest policy decision that has disrupted the traditional political order. the decision has but conservatives between those who favor free trade and those who want to protect manufacturing jobs. attracting liberals who are increasingly skeptical of the merits of trade. microcosm debate is a of a broader dispute that is

currently dominating public policy. that is nationalism versus globalism. we have invited two of its best representatives, nigel farage and vicente fox to debate this tour. nigel farage is the server of a u.k. independence party serving from 2001 through thousand 16. he was the face of the successful campaign to take the u.k. out of the european union and the 2016 brexit referendum, positioning the referendum as a populist weight against the political establishment. mr. farage has been part of the european parliament for southeast england since 1999 and cochairs the europe of freedom and direct moccasin group. he has been noted for his sometimes controversial speeches in european parliament, and a strong criticism of the euro currency. spectator max and mr. frosh the most important british

politician of the left decade, and the most successful. it shortlisted from times magazine person of the year, but was beaten by donald trump. [laughter] get a warm,t's maryland welcome to nigel farage. [applause] jennifer: vicente fox was born in mexico city, and was born in a land where the only difference between him and his childhood friends were the opportunities he had. he always remembers from his childhood that one of the harms that can be avoided in a country's poverty. he studied business administration and later received the top management diploma from harvard business school. in 1964, mr. fox joint coca-cola company in mexico and started from the bottom, driving a

delivery truck. through per severe he became president of coca-cola for mexico and latin america. he served as president of mexico from 2000 through 2006 and he was the first candidate from an opposition party to be elected president following 71 years of monopoly. mr. fox is actively involved in encouraging leadership and credit opportunities for less through central fox, an organization he founded. he and his wife, martha, are also the parents of four adopted children. to's get a warm welcome president vicente fox. [applause] jennifer: now our like to introduce our moderator for the evening. mary kissel is a member of the wall street journal editorial

board, specializing in foreign policy and the promotion of free societies. she contributes to the journals of opinion pages, host the foreign policy podcast, and is a panelist on the journal editorial report, it weekly political talk show that i am sure many of you have seen on the fox news channel. mary votes a masters degree in international affairs from the john hopkins international studies, as well as a bachelor's degree in government from harvard. please give a warm welcome to our moderator for the evening, mary kissel. [applause] jennifer: let me say one last thing before i turn it over to marry. there will be an opportunity for the audience to ask questions i way of writing your questions on index cards. the index cards are placed throughout the room, and at 6:45 p.m. will have volunteers come around to pick up your questions

and you will begin to marry and shall determine which questions she would like to ask our speakers. fill out those index cards if you have a burning question. there will be's picked up at 6:45 p.m.. mary: thank you very much for that kind welcome. [applause] i want to thank the university of maryland and the steamboat institute. for the introduction -- it is very inspiring, particularly to hear president lowe and his defense of free speech. before we get started, i should admit my bias. the wall street journal editorial board is a supporter of free markets and free people. we are not fake news. [laughter] mary: we are going to kick off the event tonight -- i hope you realize the historic figures sitting in front of you. jennifer fox, referenced was the first

president to win an election over the pri, just been called the perfect dictatorship. and nigel farage, the force behind brexit. many people call brussels the perfect relationship -- dictatorship. [laughter] mary: we'll start with short statements from each of our panelists, and then we'll talk about the definitions of nationalism for's is globalism, some of the key issues, and the key people in the news today. president fox, the floor is yours. gracias. thanks to this great university. to the students and the faculty here present. you give us the opportunity to come back to the university.

it is pleasant to come back to a university -- to come back to the sources of knowledge, and to come back in a way to the fountain of youth. thank you very much for that. i will advance two concepts have driven my life, and they are certainly going to be my sustained ideas through this debate. one, i am just what what id -- just wha know is being the shortest of happiness is doing for others, doing for your community, doing .or your nation are that has been my life commitment.

that is why i watched the corporate world and with the politics, because of that one simple reason. that is why we created this first presidential very outside of the united states, right in the heart of mexico. i would complete this concept by on thethe comparison position in relation to leading and in relation to being a governmenter for a -- that you get respect from people through dialogue, through against whatves, mac avail he would say. they gain respect through

exercising power with toughness. in that respect, with a stick, it comes out of fear. that is why they respect you. what is part of this important debate. that half of what -- mye in front of you grandfather was born in cincinnati, ohio. in 1945.o mexico he came to mexico without a penny in his pocket as an immigrant. he found his american dream, in , where we lived

for five generations. i wanted to mention that because i am not only part of this nation. i love and respect this nation. i love and respect its citizens. i love and respect the compassionate aptitude all over the world. i respect this nation because of the leadership throughout the world. that is the united states i know, i have known in the past, and i hope i will be seeing in the future. ideas, my part of position in relation to isbalization and nationalism the part from having figures at hand.

globalization, technology, allows us and freedom all over the world to the best development, and progress. incredible what has happened in the last 30 years. every single human being has progressed, and many have progressed substantially. today we live much more years than we used to from 40 or 50 years ago. education, and the last quarter of the world -- today middle classes are totally dominant around the world, and income has increased substantially, including an africa and those nations that used to be called poor. unlimited.s been

have to see in the century, many more surprises. my question is, why should we destroy or disrupt the way we have proven to be successful for newer dangers that some call --ionalism, that some call some say we should go back to the original state, the nation state, and forget about what we built? we are to debate about the european union. the most successful lock of nations right after world war ii. they have enjoyed the best and highest hundreds of living today. mary: a one minute warning, mr. president. mr. fox: more or less?

[laughter] access toverybody has full medicare and full health attendance. everybody goes to school or university. everybody enjoys income that is outstanding. that is one successful block of nations. decided together and together to build that region, so powerful and so successful in the world. nobody of lodged them, they decided to conform. that is the fiscal block of nations. mary: thank you. mr. farage. [applause] walk in this area so the camera can get you.

mr. farage: so this is the safe space? good evening, maryland. this debate is a victory before it begins. the fact is we are having a proper, open debate. boy, there are going to be differences. president fox thinks the european union is a great success. i think it is a anti-democratic monster that is crushing democracy and runic nationstates and taking away liberty. we have fundamentally different points of views on this issues, but you know something? will be able to debate those issues in a relatively civilized manner. [laughter] want behave badly rotten universities of country. the development of safe space, these narrow zones some of us are confined to. the ida that because somebody

else has a different point of view they are basically intrinsically evil, is not what parliamentary democracy is all about. it is not what our great nations fought two world wars and sacrificed so much for. liberty and democracy is an environment in which we express our opinions, but we equally respect the other side to have their views too. and we do our best, through logic and reason, to make them see good, common sense. all of this got worse after 2016. cks of 2016.s of first, there was the brexit boat, treated by the entire global order -- as some terrible catastrophe. -- ift wasn't bad enough

that doesn't have people choking on their cornflakes. [laughter] trumprage: when donald j did the impossible and became the 45th president of united states. said in thebeen mainstream media since those times -- you would think something dreadful what happen to both of our countries. of course, that revolution of 2016 -- something students at the university will be reading about for centuries to come. something happen in 2016, and it was the rebirth of the concept of the nation state. what happened for decades is people tried to build new false, artificial, supranational structures. as the european union in a sense, the prototype for a new form of government -- the

globalists wished to impose on all of us. indeed, had the blessed hillary won the election in 2016, i reckon you now would be very closer to that european union. and further away from the idea of a democratic system that you could vote for people that make your loss -- but you could equally sack people who make your loss. like it or don't like it, men and women across this world want to buy a massive majority to identifiable unit that is the nation. they want their national flags. they want their national anthems. they want their national soccer teams to win the world cup. that is what people want. is the natural, normal human situation. it is the nationstate we pledge our allegiance.

to whom, although reluctantly, pay our taxes. to whome nationstate, things go badly wrong, we are prepared to stand up and defend and fight for. don't be frightened by brexit. don't be frightened by trump. just recognize the world changed in 2016. in the future there will be governments with the interest of their own countries first, but equally, what it to work with friends and neighbors across the globe. mean we want to control our borders. it does mean we want to be selective about who comes in this and works and settles in our country. in a world with a terrorist scourge, how can you blame voters who want to do that on their behalf? can we debate these issues of open borders without people

suddenly shouting, racist? which is a substitute of having a proper, intellectual debate. the world has changed, globalism ick between the legs and 26 thing, and i will do my best. [applause] i want to see a show of hands in the audience, is the nationstate obsolete? if you think the answer is yes, hands. your televisionhe audience, it was a minority and the audience. yep your work cut out for you, mr. farage. let's start at with the principal mr. farage espoused.

that you can be global trade nationstate. is that true, mr. fox? mr. fox: absolutely not. i am for a nationstate, of course. mexico is a nationstate. germany,rgentina, britain, united states. no conflict with that. but we have discovered joining fine, and by -- joining five, so working , teamwork, as you do in corporations that are successful -- you progress and develop much faster and much higher. no question about nationstate. i don't think it should be questioned -- the great associations and partnerships we have built together. --n of them is this nation

one of them is the station. we got together to work with one bashan, for one dream, the dream of our founding fathers. him, pretty soon exit,ht have a california like we have today with barcelona and catalonia exit. all areave a plan, we patriots, we believe in our own dream, and that is how we work. but those who don't have anything to do with dividing are forgetting about uniting groups. this -- start with the united states.

lackingtates was competitiveness. it was losing markets around the world. was -- let'snswer bring back those corporations and manufacturers here. chrysler,l motors, ford motor company, there are manufacturing here and went broke, and you had to pay to rescue them out of bankruptcy. how did they come back to the marketplace? by becoming nafta corporations. that is the only way they can compete with mercedes-benz, mazda, and all the rest. and they found they can be very competitive and productive by working in canada, mexico, and

the united states. mary: this is a point, let's go to mr. farage. we'll keep the debate going to quickly so it can ask as many questions as possible. nafta made us competitive. a second, weang on can talk about nafta and the wto, and united nations and nato. we can talk about all these things, which are examples of nationstates cooperating together on the world stage. cane of those organizations do with reform, i have no problem with any of them or the concept of countries working together. however, that isn't good enough for the globalists. the real globalists want something much more exciting and far better than that. they did in the european union. you cannot be an independent democratic nationstate and a member. of an organization like the european union.

why? because they make the laws you have to obey. their court is supreme to yours, and a disciple is fit and proper to live in your country, not your own people. there is nothing, any government or group of citizens in the european union can do to change european law, because all of that is in the hands of the unelected bureaucrats. debate of ais globalist future or nationalist future is really a battle of bureaucracy versus democracy. democracyists treat with contempt. just look at what they speak about -- those who voted for brexit or voted for trump. we are all ignorant neanderthals. mary: you didn't vote for trump? mr. farage: i wasn't allowed to.

i would have voted early and often. i thought it was a change that was needed. mary: we have a nuanced are you make here, that none of these associations are equal. president fox, i want to ask you about the world trade organization. china was taken in in 2001, it breaks many rules. no one expected such a large part of the wto would also be a rule breaker. how do you deal with a problem like that? all,ox: first of mary: do we have a mic problem? mr. fox: bueno, bueno. otherwise will have to start talking. no, he cannot.

you will bring the boom mic down. continue, sir. mr. fox: where was i? [laughter] mr. farage: i think you said you and i agree. mr. fox: this is the main point. that trading is good for everybody and we should do it. keeping our nature of being in nationstates, but yet we can trade, like this nation has been trading since the beginning of independence. when washington became president first, the economic decision he talk, jefferson and our best and bright minds went to europe to send our products. this nation is captured developing by trading. trading is a key issue.

but trump does not. win, andtrading is, i you lose. winning, to help with nafta and china and everybody else -- to hell with nafta, china, and everybody else. they forced us to open, so we had to bring coca-cola instead of bringing our great tricks we have, nectar drinks in mexico. have to eat hamburgers and hotdogs instead of tacos and fortortas. so united states companies conquered everywhere, and now they are not able to compete because of many different reasons. now you say let's build a wall, because mexico is taking away our jobs. you have lost the job because of

manufacturing. we lost competitiveness. and now you are saying, force mexico to increase salaries. i hope we do it as much as possible. but economies don't work by executive orders. finally, this guy invents a story, the bad mexicans are coming now, they're going to invade the united states. congress, give me money for the wall. jesus christ. [applause] [laughter] mr. fox: fortunately today, the president of mexico told trump we are going to stop negotiating with you if you don't respect us willon't respect or s not deal with you.

that is what, russia, and europe is saying. if you want to only win yourself in trading, we're not going to accept your tariffs if you start breaking down what we built. wto has been striving to be a great institution to coordinate and that nations handle trading. to avoid abuses from any one single nation. doesn't want any more nafta, good for you. enjoy it. agreements with economies around the world, and we already started trading with argentina and brazil to buy our corn. we by 40 billion u.s. dollars of corn to this nation to farmers. where are they going to sell their core now? we are going to get it from argentina and brazil, and

everybody is reacting to something that is wrong, to a guy who doesn't understand. economy, which is trading, which is harmony among nations. mary: thank you, mr. president. [applause] the idea that trump is against trade is a complete distortion of the truth. of course trump's for trade, but he wants trade to be fair and reasonable trade. mary: is it trade by definition fair? years ine: i spent 20 the business before getting involved in politics. i had a proper job before politics, it is pretty rare these days. i know about the metals industry. what the chinese did is increase the production of steel at a time there was no domestic demand and national demand. they crossed the price of steel,

and my country, major steelworks, the did it not to make money, they did it as a big strategic global play. that was not fair trade. and trump puts tariffs on chinese steel, and everyone swings, is that dreadful? particularly the european union, who themselves but tariffs on chinese deal last year. but they are the good guys because they are the globalists and trump is the bad guy because he is the nationalist. there is gross hypocrisy here. to should america off from the rest of the world, economically, it is nonsense. whether you like the thought of a wall on the mexican border or not, this big beautiful wall that apparently is going to be of one- it is a symbol thing to control borders. i can tell you something, their majorities of the population is now in every small country in the west want to have border

controls. border controls does it meet your anti-foreigner, it just means you want people to come in who speak your language, assimilate in your society, respect your values, be an economic benefit the economy, and obey the law. what on earth is wrong with that? [applause] walls don't work. failed ine wall chus and the man mongols and what they did, they beautifulwonderful, wall at a huge cost, and it didn't work. this beautiful thing that is going to be built here if congress approves -- if you are willing to pay for the wall. 35 billion u.s. dollars.

we are not paying for that fucking wall. [applause] also, if you paid for it, good for you. farage, he is privileged. thank you very much. aller might gentlemen this is a live broadcast, please watch our language. [laughter] mr. fox: i will finish my comment. the way to have border controls is different. it is not with the army, it is not with walls. it is using wisdom and intelligence, like president bush and myself did. like mexican congress and to great senators and congressmen, kennedy and mccain, who

presented a deal to congress. that has been sitting there since 12 years ago. the answer to migration control -- we want order on our borders. in ourcans want order borders, same with any other nation. but the way is not through that, and the big problem, and the next time you grant me -- it is migration. this nation was built by immigrants. mexico and latin america were built by immigrants. that, building nations with immigrants is the worst happen, we state they are evil people and are not welcome anywhere. where is the compassion? and who is going to own this world? and you're going to build a wall that is so high?

they are going to jump any wall that you can build. it is not the way to go. that is why i compare loyola to mecca vathey are going to jump l that you canacaveli. mary: you to address the specific arrested about britain. britain has very high taxes. britain has regulations that are domestic, not from the european union. mr. farage: that depends on how you judge it. mary: the president fox make a thatlling argument competitiveness is the key to lock prosperity of the thing the poor and making them rich. the britain have to leave the european union make itself competitive? mr. farage: that competitiveness is the key to lock the other thing globalists want is they want absolute conformance he. . they say they want the same rules and regulations on finance.

the same environmental rules. the same taxation. that is not competitive. if you think about it, it is fundamentally anti-competitive. what is happening is big global politics has been as successful 2016, aided and abetted in multinational companies and one of the big wall street banks. we are not living in a age of free market capitalism. where living in an age of global copters him -- corporatism. if hillary won the election, she wanted america to join a common market, namely america to join in with the european single market. this is not competitive, it is anti-competitive. may benefit the rich corporations who want the rules around their own industry, would

free labor to get as cheap as possible labor. normal,s not benefit ordinary people in britain or anywhere in the west. some the of our laws will not made by us. we had a say in that, but we could be outvoted. in the run-up to referendum on the previous 50 locations, the british government tried to change legislation and we lost on all 50 occasions. not only economically is brexit deliberation, but some things are worth more than money. you can't put a price on anddom, liberty, democracy, being able to run your own country and be proud of that and be the master of your own country. normally, you see, whatever america does, american music, american food, american fashion.

we nearly follow every think you do a couple of years later. but in 2016, perhaps for the first time since the american revolution, you followed something we did. we did brexit, and you followed with drop. we were the trailblazers. mary: thank you for all of these questions. many are terrific and will try to get to as many as possible. since we have so many student questions, let me start with president fox. this is specific to you. this the next and government approved people from central america to cross the southern mexican border? mr. fox: of course, we have our own regulations for migrating. knowledge, mexico sends americansmore central that come into mexico and they

are shooting to get the united states. exico turns back 400 thousand. and the rest manage to come along and get here. but let me tell you that the problem of migration the problem of borders should be scored on economic terms. because what happens is, for instance, at the beginning of nafta, on the mexican side, you would make one dollar and learn how to swim and cross the river or learn to jump walls, then you will be making $10. who would not go for 10 instead of 1. the economic problem we have there, why you don't have a problem between canada and

united states? because it is a 1-1. and that's what europe did bring up these remaining -- the guys that were bringing up to the income of germany and the gap has narrowed consistently. now that was the situation. 25 years after nafta, the wage is 25-1. this explains why there is so many less people coming from mexico to the united states than the ones going back. nafta has accomplished its goal. let operate mexico to make it a solid partner. make it a consumer market over 120 million people. and that is being accomplished. now mexico is there. we have full employment right now. yes, we have just in my region -- 10 million mexicans

[speaking spanish] mr. fox: 11 huge state of the art manufacturing plants. and there are three american companies there. and they come from japan, europe, korea. why? because we became competitive. we learned our lesson. we were told you have to go to school and survive in the jungle of economic development and we did it. but now that the rest of the world and mexico became competitive, he is saying, hey, hey. you cannot compete like this. we are losing. we are having a surplus and not having it. and then you say mexico took away the jobs. that is a lie, an absolute lie. those jobs were lost to technology. those jobs were lost to

innovation. those jobs were lost because these workers on the automobile manufacturing line didn't have the vision to go to a community college and learn about other things that they could make them competitive. manufacturing would not have been this nation here in the future. it would not even be here in mexico. manufacturing is a past wave. now it's technology. and pretty soon, no more jobs. no more jobs in five or 10 years. how are we going to do it altogether. i hope kids will come with right ideas as long as trump let you think about yourselves and. you have to think freely and innovate and think about when there aren't going to be enough

jobs for everybody. mary: there was net zero immigration to mexico when the u.s. economy went into decline, just to underline one point of fact. let's pick up this competitive argument with another question from the audience and it concerns theresa may. >> oh, dear. [laughter] mary: based on her failure in the snap elections last summer, how much confidence do you have in may to lead britain in brexit negotiations and to make britain competitive? mr. farage: it is very important when you are abroad that you don't talk down your national leader, but she's hopeless. [laughter] mr. farage: here's the problem. theresa may is a nice woman but

a classic career politician. nothing commercially outside of it. and not working in charity. or run a business, goodness knows. she is a career politician and did not vote for brexit. and brexit is the biggest political change in our country for a very, very long time. it is an instruction that says to the government, we want you to turn around the ship of state by 180 degrees and you can't do that unless you actually believe in what you are doing. when she's asked the question, how would you vote if it is a referendum. she doesn't mean it. we are heading towards the big moment and it is march 29 next year and we are due at 1 1:00

p.m. to leave the treaty of roman after that she will have us wrapped up in anticompetitive linkages with european law and european economy. despite all of it, we will get over the line on march 29 under her leadership. it will not be a victorious charge. and limp over the line on crutches. we are leaving the european union on march 29 next year and we will become a normal country like you guys in america where we elect our own people and make coment laws and can't soon enough and she can slide off and retire. mr. fox: specifically to the students, would you like to live within a wall, four walls? is that what you want?

einstein and thinking like all he creators, the googles and microsofts. there are hundreds of thousands, not to say u.s. millions of americans that work outside and abroad because there is talent because we like to share with other people. that's natural and that is happening all over the world, this exchange. this is why i strongly believe in globalization. i strongly believe incorporate world of america that has so much development and so much wealth in the rest of the world. and washington is not draining the swamp and three days in washington and i have not seen a swamp except in the white house.

[laughter] mary: president fox, just to follow on another question, do you think a nationalist wave could occur in mexico as it has in the united states and in the united kingdom and anti-globalization reaction? mr. fox: the situation in mexico and latin america is fote tallly different. on theenses, when we had pop lift y, demagog leaders like perone but they come with answers and can fix everything and get the jobs back to you and move the economy 5% 10%. all those promises is what made latin america lagged way, way behind. and we believe the dictator.

he told us, you don't have a job. i'm going to get it for you. he told us, you don't have health. i'll do it for you, i'll build hospitals. promises and promises. and we believe them. what a difference you see in this nation. i go as far outside to put myself in the school and i use my mind as i'm brilliant. so it's on me. i was visiting president grave yard today. what a message. don't ask your nation of your president what he is going to give to you, ask yourselves, what you are going to give your nation and the world. this is what the thinking of this nation. and this new narrative, which by

the way, we must be very careful because they never tell us the ull truth, i would like to ask senor trump what he is doing, what america he wants. he wants an america with a wall and everybody is controlled and everybody is supervised to do what he thinks is the right thing. he wants everybody to be a christian. he wants everybody to be on his philosophy, not even democrats or republican. is that the dream nation that he is thinking of? i'm asking him the question. and i ask him to tell us where he is taking britain. mary: hold on. you do or do not think that the pop you lift like mr. farage, will he win the election? latin that is the

america. he has solved the problem of 120 million. mary: is he going to win? mr. fox: everybody is going to have a job and will do well. i'm working for him not to win. [laughter] mary: mr. farage. mr. farage: all well and good, president fox talks in tones about free movement of people and no walls and no borders and travel around the world and we must be compassion nature to anybody that is coming from a poor country. it sounds absolutely lovely. but that kind is what mrs. merckle said. as many of you want to come, we can cope in germany. when you saw the lines, there weren't many women or children.

there weren't many elderly. 75% of them were men under the age of 30. many of them came from countries where they would not even qualify for refugee status. what have they brought. many of them are good hard working people. isis and others have used that opportunity to bring terrorism onto the shores of europe. and i say to you, president fox, whatever your view of the world, he growth of radical islamic extremism is what the governments want to protect them. and that is what democracy is all about. and i think it is still, i think too much of our mainstream media and our traditional political class do not resist the desire and will to protect our borders to make our future safer and the

politicians are wrong. [applause]

mr. farage: we are horrible people. we believe in our country and democracy. supernationalism days are numbers. they want nation-state control. it is right and it is the future. [applause] mary: president fox. we'll save the clapping to the end. another student question on mr. farage's theme. how do we deal with the issue of asylum seekers. mr. farage brought up a good point. asylum seekers, like germany. mr. fox: i'm totally and absolutely for order at the

borders. security and safety at the borders. and i used two examples of how you can deal with that. one is nafta. nafta became an economic issue and what we presented, i mean president bush and senator kennedy and senator mccain had evolved and said this nation owing at 2 1/2% a year means 500 additional labor. a year, when you are growing at 2 1/2%. that's a fact. now how do you regulate that? and we did in that initiative in congress. when the economy is growing, you bring as many as you need, like this nation did with the program right after world war. this nation took all the women

and put them in factories and put them into work so the men could be at war. they invited two million mexicans to come and work here. and when the world war was over they kicked them back. no fringe benefits, no gratification and no nothing. today. t import works w china, china developed territory. the part that is developed with 300 million families middle class today. they brought people from the interior only if it is needed in the developed areas. if it is not needed, they don't let them come in. they have to have a passport. ou can regulate with world

sense. jesus christ, i know there are others, but i'm happy when i help a human being. i cannot seeing those boys dying. now, that doesn't mean like he says that we cannot solve. it's growing the amount of people that is moving, looking for a better life. and we must regulate. but let's work it together. the best answer is the one i exercised. let's get to the roots of the problem. and let's solve the problem in their home, in their country and bring up development. and that's what nafta did for mexico. that's why we are not getting that many immigrants coming. and i created plans to develop central america so we can have the jobs there and develop that

part and we don't get the migration. i know it's difficult. t worst to let people die of hunger. something must be done. mary: president fox says that we have to deal with the problem at its source. mr. farage, of course, the obvious source of the problem today at least in the middle east is syria and again another pertinent question from the audience. in george washing's fair well alliances.entangling at would the globalists -- mr. farage: i wish we listened to washington. mary: don't you need alineses. mr. farage: i talked about nato and all these structures we have

where we have nation states can cooperate with our friends and neighbors to deal with joint problems and make those decisions. that is different than what has happened in the european union and what the blessed hillary and others. they wanted to give away the decisions. and by the way, when we're talking about poverty and about the problems with source. the one thing that president trump and i will agree on, is that the european union has been a disaster for black africa. they put huge tariffs on flowers and pillage their fishing waters and what we ought to be doing in terms of thinking about the developing world by giving foreign aid, very little of which ends up in the right place, if we want to help the poor countries of the world, there are tariffs that need to

be cut. we need to trade their way out of poverty and i would like to see an independent britain outside the european union leading the world in doing this. foreign aid isn't working but trade and technology just might. [applause] mary: another question for mr. farage is no deal better than a bad deal? mr. farage: and i say ok. i got a really bad deal for you, do you want it? [laughter] mr. farage: half of these people are going to say yes. did theresa may have a real job? i spent 20 years in business, most of it working for american companies but the last nine

years, i paid my taxes and i have more experience than everybody that talks about this european issue. i feel quite strongly about that. [laughter] look, the point is, when you go into a negotiation, the other side needs to know, if you don't get what you want, they are walking out of that. that is how negotiations work. they work frankly through fear, fear that the other side is going to walk out of the door and what theresa has said, however beastly you are to us and appalling the deal is, we will being good brits simply accept it. i'm sick to death of us being talked down to by french bureaucrats. and unless we get an outbreak of common sense in pretty quick

time, we should simply walk. mr. fox: it's misleading and exchanging and go back to the times, each one tries the correct price, i do this pretty well and very competitive and i want to sell it at $3, you decide if you take it or not. nobody forces you. that is convenience to go to sides. and same thing that i say in the ase of european union. who created brussels and now calling a monster, britain, england, germany, france, portugal, spain, all of them, hey created that body of

straighting and building among all the nations and they decided willingly to put that fund where every economy to provide 2% of the gross profit to that huge, that mom ogget fund that they decided together that would be addressed to invest in portugal and italy and greece and elsewhere. upgrade them and bring the level of the rest. and when you see the distribution of the income in europe, it's like this. when you see this division of is me and to here, and that the same distribution among nations. they are very compact. there is not one extremely wealthy and the other poor.

it's they try to use compassion and try to work together. a problem presented. i know it might surprise you. more and more are expanding because there is more certifications so farmers cannot produce enough. and that go against civilians and they have to run away from war. i don't have the solution but i will take a different approach than building a wall. that is selfishness. and there isn't enough capacity to compete by doing everything yourself. i cannot imagineford, gm and chrysler -- you are not going to sell one car outside of the united states and you are going

to tax all cars coming from abroad. you will be paying for your car, 30%, 40%, 50% more because the imported car has a tax and the local car has a huge tax and not competitive. so it's simple reasoning to trade and to win and win. don't go to trade. you don't go to trade wars. just to win. this sport is not for me. if not the case, we win together by working together. mary: thank you. i asked two questions and i will ask you a follow-up again from the audience, how has your experience with the p.r.i. affected your views? can you speak on the trade reform transition from the

pre-monopoly to your party. this is a question that lasted for 71 years. became corrupt and a lousy manager for the country. it was a monopoly. that. the virtue of and you are going to try to stay there. you come with these ideas or you are not going to be welcome. that's one thing that happened in mexico. came back to support. and i know we have that burden on his shoulder of pre-corruption. and he is moving out. so i always vote more for the

person and not the ideology. and i end up by saying, you would be in china, they don't fight like dogs and cats here like republicans and democrats do every day. they are a pragmatic document. mary: they are authoritarian regimes. they torture them. mr. fox: how smart is democracy because democracy is not delivering. and in britain they are not happy what is going on and what is not happy in the united states and mexico. it's not democracy itself but the people that run democracy that work in democracy. they are not delivering. so i see pretty soon something different. some other way that we are going

to reform government and take decisions and how we are going to manage our country. and i think it is much better than presidential systems today because you end up like this and you don't advance, because the only reason of politicians is to destroy the order. not who brings better ideas but who can destroy parts of the order. and that would not work in the future. we need to have innovation on the political and democratic arena. mr. farage: i think the globalist cat was just let out of the bag. we heard president fox's contempt for democracy and what people think. i heard in previous debates, he didn't think the brexit result was a fair democratic result.

this is what the globalists want. and well funded by multinationals and they think they know better than the ordinary peace eants of ants. 2016 was not a short-term kickback against that mentality. what we said in 2016 despite chaos and claims of black locusts will descend, we said we have had enough. we actually want to live democratically in our own nations and cooperate with our neighbors. president fox, you talk about our referendum and democracy. i think in terms, for many of us, whether in this room or outside actually the vote is the most powerful thing

we value it. we showed in 2016 output and an power all that can be and i am was not ashat 2016 you would have it believe, a short turn outburst of anger. it is the political revolution that would go sweeping through the west over the next few years. [applause] >> unfortunately, we are out of time. we would like to have another vote to see if we change any minds. is the nationstate obsolete? if you think yes, please raise your hand. >> for sorry, i cannot buy that for him actually come as a neither of us would have abolished the nationstate

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