with nebraska governor on the policy issues in his state. callsays, we'll take your and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter as well. "washington journal" is next. [captions made possible by mlb network] >> good morning. it's monday, may 7, 2018, the house and senate both return to capitol hill today. both chambers are expected to hold votes later in the afternoon. we're with you for the next on the washington journal and we begin today with a question about congressional term limits. the push to institute term on members of the house and senate received new momentum ast week after president trump offered his support for a plan roposed by a buy part group of young members. give us a call and let us know if you support term limits for congress. if you support the idea, phone

number this morning 202-748-8000. if you oppose term limits for 202-748-8001. you can also catch up with us on social media. twitter it's at cspanwj and .com/c book, facebook span. good morning monday morning to you. you can start calling in now. we're talking about term limits in the first segment of "the washington journal" today. the hill story from newspaper about this effort last week that made its way to the white house. headline noting that it's younger lawmakers igniting the for term limits. "the hill" newspaper referring stalledlimits as a long idea on capitol hill, bipartisan group of younger members led by freshman .p. star and congressman mike gallagher, republican from wisconsin took to the ause directly president during a white house meeting last night. they received presidential -- president trump's full

throated endorsement while the first term lawmaker acknowledged that they may face fierce resistance from the old guard in washington, they think the issue resonate ng that will with the younger generation of voters after that white house president trump tweeted out this last week. "i recently had a terrific meeting with the bipartisan of freshmen lawmakers who feel very strongly in favor of limits.sional term i gave them my full support. and endorsement for their efforts." we are asking you this morning, what you think about term limits. 202-748-8000 l at if you support them. 202-748-8001 if you oppose mike gallagher is the republican that is leading who those efforts. here's him walking out of the white house last week after that with the president. his comments that he posted on twitter.

we'll show you those comments a little bit later and we want to hear from you on "the washington journal." is up first on that line for those who support. lily, go ahead. hello, good s, morning. i support term limits because i change in eed like a and i rom the congress think once they're there for too many years, it becomes stagnant and it doesn't have like new and fresh ideas. so i do support term limits. you think is do enough? caller: well, the president only gets eight years. so i think eight years. that's it! chamber in the house and senate or eight years combined? caller: probably eight years combined.

like change the years that they get. your calls coming up. here's mike gallagher, his comments that he posted to twitter last week. hey, everybody. sorry i was delayed in response swamp question. it's because as you can see, i'm at the white house right now. and actually met with a group of all freshmen congressmen to push the idea of term limits which i actually the best way that we can drain the swamp and the areerism in washington, d.c. that infects everything and get people back to the model of the itizen legislator and it was actually pretty exciting meeting and first time i've met with the resident and he and his team support the idea. they're going to back it. we're going to combine our bills together for term limits and try to push that thing. i think it would be a complete paradigm shift. lot of work ahead. an interesting moment

and one of the most interesting i've had and i really feel like 85% of the ething, american people support term limits, right? makes sense.it we got to get at that sense of the problem which is people only about their re-election and rather than ected doing the work of the people. more on that later. 85% was the stat that he said supports term limits. the brookings institution, the they found, 74% of ikely voters in favor of congressional term limits. earlier casey writing this year, five reasons to oppose congressional term limits. two of those reasons. one, it takes power away from perhaps, the , most obvious consequence of establishing congressional term severely curtail the choices of voters. fundamental principle in our system of government is that choose their

representatives. voters' choices are restricted when a candidate is barred from being on the ballot. one other issue, it would automatically kick out effective awmakers no matter how knowledgeable they would be, term limits would ensure his or talents would run up against a strict horizon. profession do we force them into retirement with effectiveness on their jobs. make more sense than to force them to the sidelines where they would do the public good.nstitution less kicking out competent lawmakers because of their time runs out results in a bad return of investment of time spent learning and mastering the ins and outs of policy making in congress. more, five to read reasons to oppose congressional

term limits, take you through a more of those. we want to hear from you. lines for those who support term imits and line for those who oppose term limits. ed is on the line for those who oppose. larksburg, west virginia, go ahead. caller: i oppose term limits what you just read there that the people of experience and all that, i don't just kick them it but here's what i do think support is term limits for the leaders of the house. just the leadership should be serve a certain term like congress, six years. senate, eight years. in the leadership. i think that should be changed more often. running every e two years or every six years, if you, they don't want will let you know.

you will not get re-elected or voted in. issue on hat leadership, would that apply just to the speaker of the house majority leader or also the minority leaders in and senate as well? caller: speaker of the house and i forget what they -- i'm 83 years old. the hat would be for leaders that the speaker and and leader of the senate and, you know, leadership role. host: thanks for the call. tim is up next in virginia on that line for those who support. good morning. caller: good morning. i support term limits and i echo who spoke first in hat the ideas get stale in washington. and we get bogged down with the personalities in washington.

so many ncumbent has advantages and gigantic stats taxpayer pays to keep them in office and frankly, i think the legislation is written the underlings and not by the legislature -- legislator himself, themselves. the e continuity of congress being able to function theoretically, it asn't functionedal as we have seen but i would suggest just mimic the presidential two terms it if someone wanted terms as a o representative, that would be a total of four and then they could run for the senate. you know, their life's desire was to be a public figure on c-span as often as they are. find a path to

find an entire career but they ould have to go back to the people and be rehired after the years as a representative, total of four. he two years of a senator, total of 12 and then vice president and president. gigantic re the aliber that people who support life long congressmen. pelosi, 80, y 90-year-old people in our leadership is just a crazy idea. host: that's tim in virginia this morning. here's the proposal being bipartisan group of mostly younger members of congress. it would limit 12 years in the house, six terms in the house. in the senate. 12 years. of 24 ould be a total possible years serving on capitol hill. beyond that re

right now are in office right now would be grandfathered in so to new ld only apply members of congress who are elected. it would, of course, require a amendment, 2/3 vote in both the house and the senate. nd then ratification in the states as well. so that's the proposal that's being discussed. that was discussed at the white week.last here's a few tweets from other embers of that group or supporters of that plan. rian fitzpatrick is in first term, a republican said he led that productive meeting that -- at the white house. we must end the cycle of politicians once and for all and need to return to a legislator and i will not stop fighting until term limits are achieved. the president understands this important issue and agrees. mark meadows, conservative who in his third term on capitol north epublican from carolina our founders never intended congress to be a career. part of why washington has ecome so dysfunctional is the shift away from this principle.

congressional term limits would do wonders to addressing the problem. 100% on board to the plan. let's make it happen. term vid purdue, first senator from georgia replying to the president's tweet about his support. agree. i for too long, career politicians have focused more on advancing heir own careers than helping the people they were elected to serve. that's why i introduced term week in ring my first the united states senate. we're asking your thoughts on limits.ional term it's 202-748-8000 if you support the idea. 202-748-8001 if you oppose the idea. ave, springfield, missouri on that line for those who oppose, go ahead? aller: yeah, i'm afraid i oppose it. i believe actually we truly already do have term limits. it's just our responsibility as voters to vote out the incumbents if they're not doing their job. also, we could lose some valued experience that might be good individual districts or

states. nd i personally believe gerrymandering is a bigger problem than term limits. view.at's my personal host: do you like your member of congress in springfield, missouri? do you have any -- actually, no, i do not. i feel he's quite inept and embarrassment to our district. host: who is that, dave? billy long. an auctioneer by profession but congress now at least two or three terms. got even if term limits him out sooner, you wouldn't support them? caller: no. i believe we own it as voters. -- we get what we deserve by voting them in there again. host: thanks for the call. staying in missouri, barbara in marionville. the line for those who support term limits. go ahead. >> i feel very strongly and my husband, too, that our founders

never intended for the position a vocation or a career. as votersry hamstrung and citizens by those who become too important in their own minds and they don't do the job the way they should. they do it just to perfect famous es and become which is not the plan of our original founders. bless the junior senators for doing this. think it's so good that they brought this out. it should not be longer than two terms. after watching people do -- i'm years old and my husband is 92. we do not believe in long, long terms. in congress. doing this iate you job. i hope that it does some good. it subverts the idea of democracy not to have term limits and i thank you so much for having this program. host: neil is in lynn, massachusetts on that line for those who oppose. ahead. caller: yes.

provided erm limits take ncoming politicians courses in college or have a degree from a college in political science. i'm really tired of hearing auctioneer bye an trade, who were a doctor by are businessmen by trade. the nutseople who know and bolts of the political process. ost: and neil, tell me more about how you want that degree to be certified? is that something you have to go for? four year institution could you get that degree and on-line classes? state college, for example, worecster state college nd get a degree in political science. that's why they created a degree in political science in my opinion.

host: that's neil in massachusetts. larry is in gulfport, mississippi. line for those who support term limits. go ahead. caller: yes. i upport term limits and would love to see term limits and get the money out of politics. last i know "60 minutes" they had some medicine that was $40 a to $40,000 a up vial. and congress has done nothing! to see two four year terms for the president. house -year term for the of representatives with 1/3 of years.ing home every two and one eight year term for the senate with one senator going home every four years. if we don't get the money out of politics and term limits, we are doomed! e're going to continue to go downhill each and every day from this point on. thank you very much. host: for the call, larry. on the state level, term limits idea.new

15 states currently have some sort of term limit. the national m conference of state legislators, california, colorado, arkansas, michigan, florida, ohio, south dakota, montana, missouri, oklahoma, nevada are uisiana, the states on that chart with including times in the house and senate. are state's term limits combined totals of years served in the house and senate so it's thereof.ination an example, in california and oklahoma, a legislator may serve of 12 years during his or her lifetime. total time may be split between two chambers or spent entirely in a single chamber. limits2012, california's were six years in the state assembly, eight years in the senate. to see any ofwant those numbers, it's the national national of state -- conference of state

legislatures. california, sacramento on that line of those who oppose. you oppose? caller: the reason i'm opposed need ause we do congressmen that have a amount of time in to understand the legislation and the laws. on the other hand, i also am -- i support anybody that -- or any senators or congressmen are there that are giving tax cuts to the rich back to back. i don't support that either. what you do when you're there. as our representative. you're not doing anything that is supporting the united then you don't need to be there. you really don't. that is how i

feel about -- i would think that working to support the citizens of the united states, really supporting us and doing the right thing for us, you shouldn't be there. has it meant in california? the term limits on the state level. what sort of impacts have you seen? caller: well, see, so this is there is -- ng is there is -- we have so many that don't here really work to support the state. just primarily there to support themselves, and then you some that actually do do citizens.or the so that should be -- your records should follow you, if you're not doing anything, if done anything for the citizens, and you've been there four years, then it's kind of time for you to find something else you might like to do because it says you're not really liking the job that you have.

o that's -- i know it sounds kind of like i'm not sure. work should tell and ollow what you have done to support your state or the united states. host: that's rejoice in california. to maryland, robert waiting in baltimore on the line for those who support term limits. go ahead. caller: yes, i do support term limits. they should ason die in congress. now is anwhat we have exact replica of kim jong un and dictators. they criticize the other countries when presidents have been presidents forever and they call them dictators and that's what we got. that's what we have. there's no reason why strom thurmond had to die at 103 while in the congress. he's hn mccain, you know, attending to his medical needs.

notas brain cancer and he's expected to do his work because go as to go, you know, and and retire. they shouldn't -- four years should be the limit. just like the presidency. they shouldn't stay there. it because, ofdo course, they're not going to give up the money and power. that called at man several calls back, people call and vote these people out. know, one day is sick of them. hey figured that's all they're stuck with like the people of the countries that dictators, that's all they got. host: got your point, robert. several candidates for congress running on the issue of term limits this year. of them is florida governor rick scott. e's running for senate in florida. here's his recent tv ad that he put several million dollars to run across the state of florida. more than 41,000 zip codes in america.

code, they one zip want term limits on congress. it's common sense. only place that doesn't want term limits on congress, right here. washington. the career politicians are in washington, they say term limits can't be done. it's nonsense. we don't work for them. they work for us. i'm rick scott. i approved this message. let's get to work. host: taking your calls this on "the washington journal" as we talk about term limits, proposal that was loated to the president last week by a group of younger members of congress, the president issuing his support in tweet last week. we want to hear what you think. f you support term limits for members of the house or senate. 202-748-8000. oppose the idea of term limits, 2 on 2-748-8001 is the number. matt is in maryland on that line for those who oppose. good morning. morning.ood

one thing i don't want term limits for is c-span moderators appreciate you. federal mment is that term limits for representatives or senators is unconstitutional. there's nothing -- so the constitution says that any rights not specifically given to federal government go to the states. your state toe in limit the term of your epresentatives for the federal government but if you want to pass something for all representatives, then that would have to become part of the constitution. and so the real problem is term -- everybody wants limits on everyone else's but, nobody wants to -- we can agree on these sorts of things. realistically even with president trump's support on antter, do you think this is idea that has legs? as you pointed out, this would equire a constitutional amendment so 2/3 support in the

house. 2/3 support in the senate and they go to the states for ratification. caller: well, i didn't realize president trump supported it. well, that changes -- no, i'm just kidding. this is all, you know, stuff to get people riled up. this when about they're running for election, the -- when the car hits the road, what does it come down to? like this person purdue who wants term limits. is he can step out after two terms. he's not really going to. i bet money. you know, i think when it comes down to it, you would have to -- everyone in the country would the specific bout number of terms so whether you can get it through the 2/3 and 3/4 maybe you said of states i think it's an impossible task and there's so things that should take up our government's time. not limiting the effect, you know, the effect. so many other

arguments against term limits, right? feeling is that we are fighting how many wars we have a a president and this is what people want to talk about, it's insane. host: matt in maryland this morning. sandra is in texas on the line for those who support. listening to matt there. what do you think? caller: yes. i upport term limits because think it will do away with the amount of influence that the lobbyists have. i think we should have one four year term for the house and one six year term for the senate. that stops the problem that we have with campaign funds. that the t think representatives are supposed to epresent themselves and be policymakers. they have to be home to find out what the people want and represent the people. so we'll kill two birds with one stone doing away with the campaign funds and doing away with the lack of representation. host: stick on the line. that s, again, from brookings institution piece on

five reasons to oppose term limits. reasons they cite is that it limits the incentive for gaining policy experience. that their time in congress is limited will face less pressure to develop issue se on any specific simply because, in most cases, the knowledge accrued won't be few y as valuable in a short years. we have seen a semblance of this after they write, republicans limit the house committee chairmen to six years in their chairmanship. divencentive for chairs to deep into the policy details of their committee's jurisdictions ight now are limited given the chairs know they will soon be forced to give up the gavel. your thoughts? caller: have less power, not more. host: say again. to have e want them less power, not more power. ost: do you think it creates less expertise? caller: yes. you don't have to be an expert in order to represent the people. they're not policymakers. usy really have to represent and we don't need to have a

congress that's all legislators. -- on't need to have them they're all lawyers. i like the idea that we're going barber or a doctor or professor. because they represent the people better. host: thanks for the call from texas this morning. anna is in new castle, delaware. that line for those who support. go ahead. caller: yes. i do support it. because i think that the ones that are down there are just deadwood. they're hobbling around on their crutches and their wheelchairs and all that kind of stuff. i said get them out of there! 95 days out of the year. i said if they get a holiday, to take off two weeks or three weeks or whatever. come back and work for two days and then they're off again. i mean, you know, if they work for a corporation, they couldn't do that kind of thing. you work 9:00 to 5:00 and that's it. five day week.

and they hardly ever work a five day week. they're four days and off again. and they'll take off for two or summertime.s in the i mean, they wouldn't last in a corporation. none of them! if i said most of them, somebody is speaking, the rest of them sitting back there using smartphones. i think they ought to have them locked up in their lockers. just can't see -- it aggravates the daylights out of person ng behind the that's speaking don't even know what's going on. because they're on their smartphones. they put it down and wait for it to ring and pick it up and they talk again. any idiot can use a smartphone. don't have to go to washington to do that. so i think term limits is very good. and getting john mccain out of there. he needs to resign. should he be -- over a year it has been when he's been with this cancer chemotherapy thing and the taxpayers are paying for him.

plus paying 75% of his health care. host: that's anna in delaware this morning coming up on 7:30 on the east coast. this first segment of "the washington journal" today we're asking your thoughts on term house for members of the and senate. you can keep calling in on lines for those who support and oppose the idea. calling in, i want to keep you updated on some of the other stories going on today. story in "the d wall street journal", president trump's attorneys harden their tone on robert mueller. says the the president may not comply with any subpoena in the russia investigation. rudy giuliani was on abc "this asked about the president's compliance with a potential hypothetical subpoena the mueller investigation. here's that exchange. we don't have to! he's the president of the united states. we can assert the same privilege other presidents have.

president clinton negotiated a eal in which he didn't admit the effectiveness of the subpoena. >> he did testify before the grand jury, is the president to do that? >> only for 2 nafrl hours. arranged format. would we be willing to do that? i'd rather have the hillary only with an arranged format. i would rather have -- the president was two and a half hours. approximately, maybe three. we will take three. on the topics he wants to discuss, are you confident the president will not take the fifth in this case? >> how can i ever be confident of that. when i am facing a situation with the president and all the other lawyers are, which every

american -- lawyer in america tonks he would be a fool testify, but i have got a client who wants to testify. i hope he has a chance to tell them the risk he is taking, so he may testify. we may actually work things out with bob mueller, because working with him directly is good. but they keep undermining it. and we have situations like judge ellis saying that they are out of control and not authorized. they refuse to get the judge their authorization. what is going on with that, george? god almighty. host: president trump up and tweeting just now. the russia witchhunt is rapidly losing credibility. house intelligence committee found no collusion, coordination, or anything else with russia. says, ok, what else is there? how about obstruction for a made up, phony crime. there is no obstruction, it is

called fighting back. we will talk more about the investigation in our next segment of "washington journal." and we will talk with anita kumar of mcclatchy newspapers and erik wasson of bloomberg news. we willhe other issues talk about is the nomination the ciathis week for director. "the washington post" taking up that story today. sought tol withdraw her nomination on friday after some white house officials worried about her role investigation of terror suspects could prevent her confirmation by the senate. she told the white house she was interested in stepping aside to potential damage to the

caa's reputation. she was summoned to the white house on friday for a meeting on the history of the cia interrogation program, which involves techniques such as waterboarding. she returned to cia headquarters , and white house aides rushed to meet with her on friday. her nomination hearing is set for wednesday at 9:30 a.m. we're going to be covering it on c-span3. you can also listen to it on the free c-span radio app app and watch on c-span.org. the president tweeting about gina haspel. he said, my highly respected nominee for cia director has come under fire because she was too tough on terror. think of that.

in these very dangerous times, we have the most qualified person, a woman, who democrats want out because she is too tough on terror. if the president continues to tweet this morning, we will keep you updated. and we are having a conversation on the idea of term limits for members of congress, asking if you support or oppose them. kentuckyeen waiting in on that line for those who oppose. go ahead. the set yes, i oppose a term limits because from the time they put the constitution together, it implores a term limit. it is called voting. refused totizens educate themselves to the point to where they understand what their representatives are voting and if you do

not educate yourself, then you don't know when to vote them out. so, citizens, educate yourself to what your reps are doing. and vote them out appropriately. 22nd amendment ratified in 1951 limits the president to two four-year terms. do you think that is unnecessary? do you think we do not need the 22nd amendment anymore? host: i will go along with that, vote theyou actually presidents out. for the president that you get at that time, but as he is not fulfilling his

obligations, the next time you vote for someone else. the: what if you like president after that second term, should you be allowed to vote to keep him in? no, i think they went through that with eisenhower -- not eisenhower -- host: roosevelt? caller: roosevelt. and it worked well with him because he had some good pulled thed he nation out of the great depression. sure, there are some that i wish their influence might last but then the next time you get to vote for someone who has a similar program. kentucky. is lee in

sam is in lexington, kentucky, on that line for those who support term limits. i want to say a number -- $20 trillion. what is left for the millennials will take upwho all the debt after the boomers and extremely elderly get their retirement funds secured? how can 80-year-olds and 70 plus-year-old voters run the country when they cannot even manage their bladders? a call from wisconsin on that line for those who oppose. tim, go ahead. morning, c-span. i oppose term limits. i want my congressman to have as much experience, connections, goodwill. we had rest feingold in wisconsin, and i was proud of him every day. the problem is citizens united. i think everybody in the country would agree, dark money.

how do you think we just got this huge tax break for millionaires? it was dark money influencing politicians. citizens united has to be overturned. a piece wasitbart, written opposing term limits, making the argument that congressional term limits are a great threat to second amendment freedom. here is some of that piece. enacting such artificial limits plays into the hands of the gun-control lobby, it says. it does it by taking away the one consistent check on the behavior of officeholders, namely the voters did consider senator john mccain, a moderate, at best, who spends the first quest years voting any way he be des their constituents he is forced to shape upamed.

in the final years of the term to be reelected. getting your thoughts this foring on term limits members of congress. want to hear from you.

if you support term limits, let us know how long you think they should be. joe is on that life for those who oppose. sun city center, florida. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning, and .hank you for c-span the power is with the people as it is. i agree with the previous callers, lee and tim. we have the control of the number of years they are in the job anyway. smokescreenust some to day for us and get us thinking about it when it is not even a problem. to the polls to vote, phot for the person you feel will do the job. if they are not doing their job, do not vote for them. how simple can it be. they are still there because .hey're still getting the vote

if they do not understand the senate, they will understand it in november because there is a nationwide movement to vote these incumbents out. i believe that is why they are throwing up this smokescreen now. and these junior senators just coming in, yeah, they think it is a great idea. they should have taken that political science course that your previous caller was talking about. they know the citizens have the power, and they are not going to give it up. they will see exactly what will happen this november. thank you, and have a great day. host: thanks for the call. in new hampshire, lined for those who support term limits. caller: good morning. you know, i work with united unitedamendment.com, and this is one of the items on the amendment that we have put quite a bit of time into figuring out how to work it out.

we have addressed a lot of the issues that have come up from the people who oppose it, like a lame-duck issue you were talking about. if you set the term 21-year for both senate and house -- if you set the term to one-year for both senate and house, that takes care of that problem. and another problem is the revolving door issue. if you limit the income that former congresspeople can make after they leave, that eliminates the bribery and all the corruption involved in it. you also have a problem with seniority. the peopledfather in who are already in congress, then there will be a tendency of voters not to vote them out because they have some seniority in congress and have more power. so you need to change the legislative procedure so it is more equitable between all of the legislators. there is a lot more at the website if people want to examine it. host: explain what united amendment is. caller: united amendment is a

comprehensive crowd sourced constitutional amendment. i am sure you have heard of it before. it addresses budget, taxes, civil rights, you know, equity, privacy, everything, suffrage. it is all in one amendment. it is like a grand compromise between the left and the right and the middle. some people get some things they want. other people do not get other things they want. but if you look at it, 80% of the people are going to want 80% of what is there, so it has a good chance of making it through. host: do you have a member on capitol hill who is championing this effort in the legislature? not written yet it we are still writing it. it is a crowd sourced amendment, so anybody can log onto the website and type in what they want. host: when do you think you will

be finished? caller: when we have a consistence. the amendment itself is longer than the original constitution, so it is quite extensive and to what it does. out a lot of the things -- the original constitution was written very vaguely, which is a problem because the supreme court then has to try to interpret it in that causes a lot of friction. so the amendment makes it a little bit more like a statute, rather than a very vague statement that the constitution was originally. the best way to understand it is to go to the website and read it. unitedamendment.com. addcan read the amendment, to it, comment, whatever you want. host: ron, things for the call from new hampshire this morning.

some polling numbers and support for term limits from embers of congress. 85% was 1, 70 4% was another poll. facebook.com/l at cspan. more than 2000 votes so far. termrcent say they support limits for members of congress. 14% say they oppose term limits for members of congress. i will read a comment on our facebook page. rites that term limits some good, but what about a possible unintended consequence -- would they sell out faster and more completely during the time when they are no longer .ccountable to voters campaign finance, transparency, and reform would be a better way to hold congress accountable to voters. alreadyrites that they

have term limits. we the people have responsibility to know who we are voting for, not just for a party but for who we are voting for. omaha,t call is from nebraska, line for those who support term limits. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i appreciate that. a certain extent. i think maybe eight years would be enough time to give them enough experience to get the job done. i applaud governor rick scott, what he said in that little skit that he said. i also do not agree that we should pay for their insurance and health care and so on when they leave or when they are in there. i think that is their responsibility. like any american citizen, i do not appreciate the fact that we're continuing to pay for them after they leave. i think that is too much money. there are some other things i cannot think of now.

host: that is ok. how do you think your governor is doing in the brusca, governor -- in nebraska, governor pete ricketts? host: i am sorry, i do not mean to be rude. he is doing an excellent job. i am voting for him again. i will vote for my senators as long as they are doing their job. something i was thinking of a minute ago. should,nd nothing they like mcconnell, he has been in their too long. he just needs to go. for ryan.eally care he seems like -- he just doesn't have no back to himself when he's doing his job. from that was dottie omaha, nebraska. the c-span bus is in lincoln, nebraska, part of our c-span 50

capitals tour. we will be talking with senator pete ricketts on board the c-span bus at about 9:45 this morning, if you want to stick around for that discussion. it is happening right outside the state capital there in lincoln. back to your calls on term limits for members of congress. in illinois, line for those who support. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i think this is a critical subject, one i believe strongly in. i think when you look at the incentives that congresspeople operate under right now, they are in such a glorified position in washington and have really become part of a ruling class, and they have also its of perks to office. immediately, there and since of becomes to remain in that position for life. everything is focused on reelection.

everything is focused on not necessarily what they think is best for the country, not necessarily would reflect the ideology that the voters purelyg them for, but about what puts together the voting blocs they keep them in power. i agree with the last caller that the job should not be structured in a way that suggests it is a lifetime profession with health care benefits and pensions. that citizen legislator is the system that gives the congressperson an incentive to get something done that he is proud of when he comes home, because he knows he is coming home before too long. if he knows he is coming home in six years, then it does not really matter as much if he is there for four years or there for six years. onmeans that he is focused accomplishing something while he is there. all of the partisanship the

people seem to -- the press seems to feel is such a huge negative right now, i really think that is derived from the need to be reelected in primaries. they want to make sure you are not primaried. they need to focus 100% on the reelection process. i have to say that i think it is really demonstrative of the attitude of the ruling class that the legislators acquire. you look at somebody like over theccain who, weekend, has been reported to have been meeting with joe biden, telling him to stay in politics. obviously, his feelings toward trump known to everyone. it seems so obvious to me that his belief is that he is part of the ruling class that needs to stay in power and keep the rest of -- protect the rest of us

from our incorrect urges that they know better than. i really think when you look at that generation of lawmakers that have been there for way too long, the idea that they are representing the people for washington is far less accurate than that they are representing washington and the ruling class that they have become a part of. host: pat in illinois. oint is a counterpi to your support. this is from a recent column by jonathan bernstein. he rates the u.s. is a large complicated nation that workers expertise to write laws for such a nation. anyone can have good ideas, but it takes real knowledge to turn them into laws. if members of congress are only to serve for a short time, then they are going to turn elsewhere

for that. where? -- yists are happy to host: if you want to read that view. it is in bloomberg the column mentioning some of those who are hired in federal government to help members of congress. robert costa of "the washington post" last week made this white house meeting in which term limits were discussed. tweet about other ideas brought up as part of the discussion. me that term limits for congressional staffers were discussed by some lawmakers. but the idea was shelved when someone pointed out it would not be best to make that a

constitutional amendment. reporting surrounding that ,eeting that happened last week which brought us to this conversation this morning. a call from waynesville, virginia, line for those who oppose. caller: thank you to c-span for taking my call. i think this is just fine. like the caller several callers ago said -- [indiscernible] the elected get dismissed. we already had control over this. about any ofe do this, like term limits, the problem is the campaign financing. not run -- it is

run for the rich people. they call the shots. like sanders, he said that wall street runs congress. the lawmakers need the money to run for election. few, the verye wealthy. they call the shots. they are made to and if it -- to benefit the wealthy. [indiscernible] middle-class income stagnation. none of them are talking about them. this is not the real issue in this country. country is messed up by the ruling by the supreme court about -- i forget the name, but big money is the problem.

term limits should remain. i respect the original constitution. it has lasted so many years. but let's get the big money out of the system. it is a corrupt system. salisbury,l from north carolina, line from those who oppose. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. this just gives me a good indication of gerrymandering is not really working on their behalf as they thought. it is very discriminatory how they try to cut through lines and try to demographically take people out who will vote for them in that area. president, think the of course he approves of it because he wants to be a xi of china, a lifetime term. most likely the people will say they should get

two or four years, whatever the case may be. but you better believe that gentleman will most likely try to get a six-year term or whatever for a president. he does not want to leave office. host: there is already a term limit on the presidency. do you think donald trump wants to repeal the 22nd amendment? caller: yes, of course. he wants to have a longer-term term.our years trump wants to be the president for life. host: if he wants to do that, why would he support term limits for members of congress in this meeting last week and issue a tweet about it and say he was behind it? caller: if you make a term limit for the senators, if you cut their term down, that means the pandora's box will be open so he

can turn his up. who is going to deny that if you are already tinkering with the constitution? i think we should not tinker with the constitution. if we do, we should go ahead and look of a second amendment, you know, the right to bear arms. call from illinois on that line for those who oppose. go ahead. caller: good morning. any form of oppose term limits. term limits is just another tactic that the corporations and ide is using to suppress voters here at it is a voter suppression. they want to take the ability of we, the citizens, away. once we do get a good person are several good people in office, they want to automatically defeat those persons we want to keep an office by term limits

taking them out of office. and this guy, one of the thatous callers, he said he thinks the people in office override we, the citizens, way of thinking by just saying that we don't know what we are doing. for termguy, in being limits, he is hypocritically saying the same thing. he is saying that the voters do not know what we are doing so he wants term limits to knock the guys out of office instead of our votes. we already have term limits. the term limits is the ballot box, and that is the only term limit we need. have a couple callers

brought it senator john mccain. just want to update you on how he is doing as he continues to fight brain cancer. "usa today" noting he is doing well and reflecting on his life as he battles brain cancer at his home in arizona. he has had a pretty amazing run, said a conservative pundit on cbs's "face the nation" yesterday. he is reflecting on a lot of different things, and we appreciate all the support we have had. the six-term senator's friends, including joe biden and senator lindsey graham, have visited mccain at his retreat in recent days. one more story about senator john mccain, a lot of focus on how he is doing, his thoughts these days.

from "huffington post," senator john mccain reportedly wishing he never picked syrup palin as his running mate mpaign. 2008 ca it was noted that he considered joe lieberman for that job as vice president. advisers warned against picking the longtime member of the democratic party. advice that i could reason for myself, he wrote, but my gut told me to ignore it, and i wish i had not. a lot of stories about that upcoming book coming out and what is in it. time for one more call on this question about term limits. york,is in buffalo, new the line for opposing term limits. caller: yes, i am opposed to it. i think we have elections every

two years, and if the republicans want to have term strictly the republicans have term limits. if a democrat gets an office, let a democrat stay in office as long as he wants. it is a republican plan, so let them live by it. host: chris, what about the younger members of congress that have joined in this effort for term limits -- what do think about them, those members who joined at the white house last week to push this plan? caller: i absolutely think they are wrong for the simple reason that if you have term limits, you are not going to have anybody's there long enough to like speaker,e, he has got to be in there for a few more years than just two. how are you going to have the

speaker for just two years? host: you think they need to be in there for the experience? elect: yeah, because you andw person to congress, they are in congress and are just learning the first year. host: that is chris in buffalo, this firstller in segment today. up next, we look at the week ahead in washington with whitechy newspaper's house correspondent anita kumar and bloomberg news' congressional reporter erik wasson. and later, century foundation's andrew stettner will discuss dealing with technology impact on the future workforce. also later today, coming up at about 9:45, our c-span 50 capitals tour continues. we are in lincoln, nebraska, this morning. stick around for that discussion.

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get out of the confirmation, saying she wanted to withdraw. she did not want to be another whoy jackson was the quote, was the president of the doctor who was nominated to head the v.a. rand paul is against her. unclear what will happen with john mccain. have the votesl to the controversy behind her, even though she is a career cia officer, 33 years of places all over the world, the controversy is what she had to do with the torture that the cia committed after the 9/11 attacks. the white house says she was not involved, that she was not responsible, and they want her to have the hearing. if you hear the information, you will know she was not involved. but she does not want to go through it. got: as director, did she through a confirmation hearing for that post. guest: yeah, she has been around, right?

that is what the white house is saying, that this is someone you have known for a long time. peopleot just the cia, they have known for other positions, just like mike pompeo who was confirmed or secretary of state. him,knew him and supported many democrats supported him, and then they came out against him. ist: take as to what she likely to face on wednesday at 9:30 in the morning in front of the senate intelligence committee. guest: definitely questions about the torture program. i think she is very worried about having the cia damaged from the report i read in "the washington post." the cia has a tortured history with torture. i think it is a determining factor here. host: what members of the senate panel are you most interested in watching here? guest: you always have to look at how bob corker will be handling things. how herndez and cardin, they go after her.

count for the a committee vote or the larger senate vote? guest: i think it is the legislature we are worried about. we're talking about rand paul here, who is threatened to oppose nominees in the past. mikereatened to oppose pompeo for secretary of state, and they cut a deal at the last minute. that could happen again. there seems to be some signs it may. if there are concessions on the torture issue, we will have to see if that plays out. actionsnator mccain's on capitol hill, i assume that is expected to continue for a while longer. how does that impact the vote? guest: it leaves no margin for error with rand paul and mccain gone. i am not expecting him to come back. host: anita kumar, the president tweeting about gina haspel this morning.

we're tracking his tweets. he said, my highly respecting nominee for cia director gina haspel has come under fire because she is too tough on terrorists. think of that, democrats want her out because she was too tough on terror. guest: he obviously does not mention the word torture, not that they are going to do at but the white house as been, ever since she was nominated, the white house is really slow to respond on a lot of things. on her nomination, you have been out front from the beginning pushing out this narrative of her being experienced, 33 years. she is been in some of the world. .ome of that was undercover they have been pushing that she is a woman and would be the first woman cia director. i think it is the first career cia director in decades. they have really been pushing

this out. not surprising that the president tweeted. barry sanders also tweeted. the president had a call with reporters last week. they did not reveal anything new. they are pushing the narrative that if you are opposing her, it is for partisan reasons only. host: erik wasson, we're watching tweets this morning. here is 1 -- host: this is obviously in a reference to tuesday being primary day in west virginia and three other states. guest: i think there is some fear from the white house and in senior leadership that blankenship may win this primary. this was the owner of a coal mine where 29 miners died in a mining accident.

he is taking on the establishment. he had an ad running accusing mitch mcconnell of using cocaine. there's no evidence of that. there are comments viewed is racist. it is viewed as trump saying, look, do not go down this route. go with a conventional candidate like jenkins or morsi. are andplain who they what they're looking to do in the primary and the general election. guest: they're very pro-trump. they look to unseat joe manchin, the last remaining statewide democratic official in the state. runnable democrat in the upcoming election. he is been independent, as well. they are looking to expand the margin of republicans in the senate by taking him out. host: primaries in west

virginia, ohio, indiana, north carolina tomorrow. one of the headlines from "washington times," trump affect on ballots in the gop primary. and he did kumar, a tweet from the president today getting involved. theyou talk about the role president is playing here? guest: this is the role of primary and in the general election in november. how much a republican can toempt'-- candidates going embrace him, want him in their state, fun raise with him, and how much they're going to hide from him. we do not know. it depends at which state you are in. if you are in a trip-friendly state, you're going to probably embrace him and want him to be there campaigning for you. but some feel like he is too -- some of his controversies, just too much for them. tomorrow, west

virginia, it really tops it. the most interesting thing about is, heet this morning does not say it, but he is essentially saying he made a mistake in alabama. this is where roy moore was running. much like blankenship, very controversial. and the president and the establishment embraced him, right? wrong.r that he was he embraced roy moore. lost baird obviously, there were other controversies with the allegations of sexual misconduct. what is also interesting is he is not really endorsing anyone. he is to say and not fold for this guy, even if the other two r.o.k.. -- other two are ok. guest: i think the ohio is one to primary

watch, and they're looking to see turnout. there is a big idea that this will be a wave election. househough this is not a or senate race, we will see how many people show up your. -- show up here. indiana is also interesting. contest.mp the candidates has made a big deal of nominating trump for the nobel peace prize over his north korea efforts. there is a strong chance that a businessman will be voted on. guest: the president is going to indiana on thursday, and they announce that mike pence will be joining him. i think it is the first campaign rally they have had since they were elected that they will both appear at. host: we're talking with anita

kumar and erik wasson this morning on our week ahead in washington roundtable. democrats can call 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. .ndependents, 202-748-8002 a lot going on this morning and this week in washington. saturday, may 12, the president has talked about the deadline on the iran nuclear deal. guest: this is a big foreign policy week for the president. no bigger than me 12. may 12 is a deadline, but it is largely self-imposed. president obama, before president trump engaged in this iran nuclear deal, basically iran will not create a nuclear weapon but they will be monitoring and seeing how they go forward. european countries. may 12 is one of many deadlines, some have passed, where the

president can say the united states is not part of the deal. if the u.s. is not part of it, it sort of ends the deal. it is a self-imposed deadline. there is a deadline to say whether he wants to waive sanctions are not. that has come and gone pier 1 he that has come and gone. he has said that we can come up with some kind of better deal by may 12. i do not think they have come up the better deal. there is another deadline in july. the president often says he has a deadline and then it passes. happen thishat will time, but he does tend to do that. there is a lot of lobbying in washington this week. secretary is here to talk to the administration about keeping in the deal, and he has not said but has said in general he wants to get out. johnson, the british

foreign secretary, and today's thatyork times," he writes for ensuring iran never gets a nuclear weapon, he says witnesses can be remedied. our french and german allies are working alongside the trump administration. guest: remember, the french president was just here and the german chancellor was here, so they have all been talking to him about not getting out. host: erik wasson, take us to the lobbying effort. thornberry,w mac who is an important chairman of the house foreign services committee, talking about it is in the interest of the u.s. to stay in the deal. host: he was on fox news over the weekend.

this is some of that interview he had on fox news. [video clip] andhe french, germans, british are basically pleading with president trump, stay in the iran deal and we will have some toughening side agreements that we will agree on unilaterally without going to the iranians, and these agreements would be to limit iran's ballistic missile program , sanctioned regional aggression, and end the 2025 sunset clause when iran can start resuming some of the program. i guess the question is, is the iran deal fixable, and if so, should the president's day in it if you can get these add-ons with european allies? would be very important. is it possible? hard to say, but you can try. of this the deadline month, and you have to put the french and british up to the

test about whether it is possible to get this other sort of agreement. i think one of the key things going on here, and prime minister netanyahu is right, the iranians always cheat and lie, and what are they -- one of the things they're doing is shoving in arms on hezbollah. the temperature is being turned up there. the possibility of conflict is probably greater than it has been in quite some time, and it will be important for the international community to be invited to prevent the conflict, which is another reason staying with our allies and trying to curtail all of these aggressive actions from iran is important right now. host:, erik wasson, i will let you pick up on that. guest: an condoleezza rice said it will not be the end of the world if we pull out. that kevin mccarthy's very close to trump.

he may be backing the idea of pulling out. there will be hearing on tuesday in the house foreign affairs committee. i think it will be pivotal in determining what happens. taking your calls this morning. erik wasson is with bloomberg news, congressional reporter. any to kumar is with mcclatchy newspaper -- and nita kumar is with mcclatchy newspaper that we have a call on the line for republicans. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i like the cia nominee. i have never really heard of her, but i think she has got a lot of moxie. i do not understand the hubbub about waterboarding. i believe the cia needs to do what it needs to do to protect our country. i do not understand why it is so bad, waterboarding, when our enemies are beheading people they do not like. tools a needs to use all

necessary to stop our enemies because if we do not protect our flag, promise you both, promise the person on here mediating all of this, another flag will fly above our capital if we do not allow our government full parameter to go after our enemies for everything they're going after us for. if any of the other countries had our arsenal, they would use it against us. host: erik wasson, take us through the waterboarding debate in congress, the torture debate. guest: there is a debate within the military, in the army recommends against torture. jim mattis said down with the president and counseled him that torture does not work. torture confessing to anything is not necessarily the most effective way to get intelligence. the other question is whether it is morally right or not, but there is a question as to whether it is effective. jim mattis saying it is not necessarily effective.

you haveta kumar, michael from new york city, line for democrats. caller: i think the most important news in the upcoming week is the iran nuclear deal here at trump is doing everything he can to destroy it. 2015, -- heck in was probably right, and we're showing the world that nobody can trust us. we should stick to this deal and show the world that we would do whatever we say. thank you. guest: it is an interesting point. obviously, american politics the pen on who is in the white house and congress. trusted barack obama, but he is not here anymore. president trump is like all

presidents, maybe even more so, likes to do what he says, and he said he would get america out of the deal. , well, i toldy you i would do something, and i am going to do it. it should not be a surprise at this point. i understand what the caller is saying, it is a trust issue. grilli, european leaders new when he got in that this would be an issue -- clearly, european leaders knew when he got in that this would be an issue. guest: we're trying to do another nuclear deal basically with kim jong-un, and you have onmake a deal with him whether the united states can be trusted. the timing cannot be worse. ofre is a real possibility striking a deal with north and south korea.

the decision ways not just in the middle east but north asia. host: on the north korea more details any leak out about when and where? guest: there has not been, but the president said a couple days ago that they have a location and a date, everything is going to be revealed. we expect maybe that will come out this week. the one thing that has been reported is that the leader of south korea will be coming to the white house on may 22 and no meeting would be happening before then. host: matthew, independent. , again, thank you so much for taking my call. calling.y third time i appreciate you guys for doing such a fantastic job. thank you, c-span. congress,talk about but there's something about jcpoi, which i find interesting.

we are not a very trustable country anymore, and it is ridiculous. on the world stage, we're supposed to be really trustable. we work with allies, signed contracts, & deals, but now we have a president who is denying everything, who is destroying everything. it is completely out of control. i think he is doing more damage to our country. one thing about mr. trump and rudy and the issue that happened about that scandal that he is drowning in everyday, you know, the issue is unbelievable. two can, dear our country in such a disgraceful display, all our precious values are trod on by people who

clearly care nothing about the constitution or anything meaningful and lawful. weep for my country. these unfit people defile it. host: got your point. ar, we mentioned the president for the tweets, tweeting about the russia witchhunt, as he calls it. here is a newer tweet. the 13 angry democrats enter to the russia witchhunt are starting to find a but there's a court system in place eventually protects people. just wait until the courts get to see your unrevealed conflict of interest. guest: very intriguing. i am not sure what he is talking about with the democrats. he could be meaning the mueller investigation or he could be

talking about someone on capitol hill. saidr way, he has repeatedly that any investigation into whether his campaign colluded with russia is a witchhunt and that the house republicans have said that he did not do it. so he's going back to that over and over again. these are a lot of people that are close to president trump. he feels that this investigation should end. guest: i think it will be interesting with the pressure on is partin, someone who of the house freedom caucus, very conservative members, putting pressure on him. he fought back last week and said he would not be pressured. he could be the one to fire robert mueller if it came to it. we will see if there are any developments on the front. nunez's also news that trencher pressure jeff sessions

is trying toas -- pressure jeff sessions was subpoenas. discussione having a about the week ahead here in washington, d.c. kumar ofed by anita mcclatchy newspaper. erik wasson is with bloomberg news. we talked about a couple different aspect of the white house end of capitol hill. bring's back to the congressional a pot and the legislative calendar. 1.3 trillion dollars spending bill was signed by the president and march, very unpopular with republicans. increased spending by $150 billion. there will be an attempt to crawl back some spending. canceling $63 billion, and now we're told it will be $11 billion. host: how do you cancel money? that: there is a 1974 law allows it. it has not been used under the last two administrations, but it

this is a way to back door and cancel stuff. that dealever make again. he doesn't have a super majority in the senate. they are going to cancel on spent money. the $11gets going to billion. i am and who in the repeal of the auto loan legislation -- regulation. lending,f they are they are responsible for any discrimination that takes place. cancel ken -- congress can cancel regulations. guest: on friday, he's meeting with members of the auto industry at the white house. story, thether

temporary program that allows hondurans to live in the united states, tens of thousands affected by the decision to end of that program. walk us through when that fits. .- hitsd guest: they've been reviewing these programs that offer temporary protections for different immigrants in the country when their country has gone through hurricanes or natural disasters or civil wars. dates in theferent honduras one is coming up this weekend. they have to decide whether to extend it again or let it expire. most of the time the have let these expire. there have been 10 so far. there of been to the they let stand.

they did give them another 18 months. that is 18 months to find another program that will allow them to stay or go back to their home country. this was dealing with something that happened in the 1990's. some of these people have been here 20 years. a lot of issues on the table. democrats can call in at (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 784-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. good morning. caller: i'm a former democrat. i am no fan of trouble at all. i think he's one of the most incompetent presidents. i moved away from the democratic party because i see them doing this soft resistance against

them. it seems like they are supporting action in syria. without any evidence, it seems like the media is supporting that. it seems like they are pushing for another regime change that ofl cost us billions dollars. flint still doesn't have clean water. it's a travesty on the part of the media. democrats can support any type of military action that he's doing and would go for drastic increases in military spending is indicative of were politics is. agreey on teams, but we we should go to war with taxpayer dollars. guest: i think that's an interesting point.

the house armed services committee will be marking up the defense policy bill for next year. host: what is that? passes aery year, it different program. it doesn't spend the money. agreement on democrats and republicans, a large increase than they wanted to before. there will be debate on things like syria and building a border wall. banning new policy on transgender troops. as far as the syria question, this is something congress has deferred to.

basically, the president can carry out these actions based on the 2001 act of congress that has not been renewed or revisited. announced a new draft. that has been shelved because it's just too hot to deal with. is not living up to its responsibilities to manage these wars. president trump gets a new authorization for military force. and they said anything about signing any legislation like that? overall there. people might care about the idea of putting on a military parade. he proposed that after he went to france. host: this is in that policy

bill? guest: it does not say how much the department will spend. putting one on around veterans day is in there. host: the bill that was released by republicans authorized it? guest: it would allow them to use tanks as well, with the d.c. government said wouldn't rip up the roads if they did it. host: bruce is in california. caller: i like the show a lot. i would like to know why the president hasn't been charged with high crimes and misdemeanors. forn't been looked at campaign fraud. betterhat may be a question for robert mueller's investigation. caller: --

guest: the investigation into russia is still ongoing. you mentioned the campaign finance, i assume he means the issue with stormy daniels. it has been in the news so much the last week. this is an issue that has been changing every day. giulianiawyer rudy talked about it. paid, whoid, when he paid, we don't know all the details. charged, the been republicans controlled congress and they don't want to do that. congress they don't like a lot of things he's doing, they are looking the other way. there are some things they push back on, it will take a lot for them to do something. guest: it divides the democratic party.

op-ed this had an weekend saying don't go down the impeachment road. it's a mistake. it's not going to happen and it will alienate a lot of swing voters. there are people on the left that want to run impeachment platforms. who need toderates win to take back the house. the way to get rid of president trump is to get rid of -- when an election, not to try and impeach them. you need a super majority in order to succeed. that would alienate the middle of the country. host: democrats would need 23 seats to win back the house. their best hope of capturing house seats are nevada, arizona,

and tennessee. primaries are underway. talking more about that tomorrow on washington journal. we've got about 20 minutes left with our panel to talk about the weekend. james, thanks for waiting. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. took michael: $35,000 retainer to take care of this stuff was because the money they had available would have been a campaign violation. thinkhey used instead i was the money for the inauguration ceremony. there's $25 million missing there. i think cohen was in charge of part of that. i think that's why they needed to do that. borrow money on

his mother-in-law's important. i imagine he paid that back with money from the inauguration. there is $25 million missing. that is something you read somewhere? i spent 32 years in the military intelligence. you just connect the dots. you have to put the puzzle together. if they didn't committee campaign violation like they claim, trump is such a tightwad with his personal money, i can't imagine them saying to cohen, you deal with it and we will get your money back as soon as we have a fund we can tap into that can't be traced. can you tell us about what then reported? thet: i don't think we know

end to the issue of stormy daniels and the money. we are hearing different things every day. we don't know what the president knew, if he paid back from his personal funds or campaign money. we don't know. inauguration, presidents raise money or they have a committee that raises money. he raised a record amount of money. there's nothing unusual in terms of the money. they did not spend it all. they said the rest of the money would be going to charity. i don't believe they have indicated where that went if it went anywhere. host: how much we talking about? guest: he did raise an extraordinary amount of money. the person that ran the he wasal committee, interviewed by robert mueller.

in north carolina. go ahead. caller: thank you for having me on. i love your show. since the election primaries are watching thee been coverage on that. i watch the west virginian candidate running for the senate seat. am curious how a man that has conviction of a felony on his record can run for an office for the u.s. senate. is there an exception they make? how does that work? that's a very good question and i don't know the details of the election laws in west virginia. he is clearly running. it's going to be up to the voters to decide. host: you mentioned the ad in

which he said specifically mitch mcconnell and the comments in that ad. how much is he doing to help? guest: i think it's very clear that mitch mcconnell opposes blankenship's candidacy. someone.he will back it's playing in a nativist street, talking about mitch mcconnell being married to elaine chao. it's going after her ancestry. this is a primary where racism can have a big role. host: don is in michigan. go ahead. caller: good morning. i have a lot of people calling ll about howraise he

about a person trump is. fdr had a girlfriend when he was in office. he was with him before passed away himself. we had jfk, he had girlfriends. we had the missile crisis, we had the bay of pigs mess. was --inistration involved in south vietnam. we were in vietnam up to our next. then we had clinton. he deployed troops 40 different

times. he writes that in his own book. host: bring us up to today. do you think his personal life matters to voters now? is there more of a focus in the media on that? caller: that i have no opinion on. it really doesn't matter. people are raising so much cane that arep about things a thousand times worse. kennedy got us into the vietnam war. that cost us 58,000 american troops. phyllis is in kansas city. go ahead. when i want to talk about is president trump and how nsafbi and the doj and the

and all of our entities that are protecting and ,nforcing the laws of our land they are doing trumped up stuff. they said there was no russian collusion. are, whenre what you you start using these entities to go after a sitting president, i think the american people need some way to control these entities. host: who is using these entities? it doesn't matter

whether it's democrat or republican or whoever they are? entrenched.s so wanting to use them to get trump no matter what. happened in 2005 ,ith manafort laundering money what is that corn star? job.ot paid for her she signed a contract. who do you trust in the government? i'm getting so i don't even trust the military.

they keep telling you you don't have anybody you can trust. to get these people out of there. they are saying trump can't get rid of mahler. that just burns me up. host: that was phyllis in kansas. guest: the president could act. he is widely accepted by democrats and republicans the investigation should play out. they are pushing the administration to leave people and let it play out. callers, this is something we haven't said it. i have done this a lot across the country, the people that supported president trump still support him largely. for all the investigations and

, they really support what he is doing. they wanted somebody to shake up washington and get out of the paris climate agreement and all of these agreements and different things, they like what he is doing. if you step back from the big picture, he's doing what he said and people still support that. guest: the caller said there has been no russian collusion, that was the conclusion by the house intelligence committee. it's a deeply flawed investigation. they didn't really probe into it. saying russia interfered with our election. that is agreed upon. they feel the investigation should play out. what we are hearing is the same thing we heard during the clinton whitewater investigation.

thatlicans supported effort. democrats opposed it. it tends to fall on party lines as to how the public views it. left,less than 10 minutes we want to take as many of your calls as we can. go ahead. watching've been conventions.the i wasn't aware you existed. i was always an independent and republican in the trump inauguration. i comment has to do with haven't heard this on your station, the trials going on in virginia where the judge asked the mahler team for the intent

to go after the president and impeach him. i am very upset with the stormy daniels, not because i care. like his lack of morality. i like the money i got in my paycheck. my annuities are doing a little bit better. stormy daniels is a trap. what happened to monica lewinsky? intern a 20-year-old destroyed by the clintons. they destroyed that young lady. she couldn't go out of her house. she couldn't get a job. by was literally destroyed clinton and his wife. let's start with the

federal district court judge concerned about the mueller investigation. he was talking about the mueller investigation and the case against paul manafort. he said you don't care about mr. manafort. they were more focused on going after president trump. hast: new york times question that the other day. these were questions that president trump were going to get asked if he is interviewed. been assuming it was all about his businesses. he had been assuming that. that if those questions were accurate, it's really about the russia

investigation and obstruction of justice. it seemed on point. the president was very happy with what the judge said the other day. thinks every time a judge him, he thinks that person must be a republican. that's not always the case. guest: i do want to pick up on one thing the caller said. economy, it's the trump card for the administration. we are at 3.9% unemployment. thing that is the helping the republicans at this point. many people did get some kind of tax cut.

the fact that this caller is seeing that is another thing in favor of republicans. host: we want to try to get in a few more calls. susan is in fort myers florida. go ahead. i have one comment and one question. caller: regarding the iran nuclear deal, i am wondering why mr. netanyahu, i thinks it's been a couple of months. he is been to turkey and russia. a proponent of canceling the whole thing. he seems to be dictating to mr. trump on what to do. the other thing i can't help wondering about is executive privilege.

i see it as a dictatorship. to have that much executive privilege is a dictatorship. jong-un. like kim host: that was any that. -- anita. guest: the prime minister has been out front and has been for years. he opposes the iran nuclear deal. that was a week ago. time flies. he was live on television here talking about how iran hasn't lived up to its into the bargain. host: that was a presentation he made. guest: they did give the white house that was coming. that was a sign that the white house wanted him to do that. and you talk to analysts

people looking at this issue, the information he had may be true, but they already knew that. theys largely information knew when they came up with the deal. host: on executive privilege? the testimony relating to the mueller investigation and if that can be made public. i wasn't sure what she was referring to. host: go ahead. caller: i'm an african-american phd scientist. i respect the state department and what it does. crisis rights in a now. our intelligence agencies are being held up. hillary clinton was one of the best qualified people ever to run for president. this president was not voted in

by the popular vote. hillary got 3 million votes more. three journals endorsed her for the first time. they never endorsed anybody know. jobler should continue his investigating this president. scientists who worked at the state department in geneva, i wrote the white house support. i feel sorry for what this president is doing. guest: he has brought up a couple of things. one is there is a lot of talk about how in the trump administration the intelligence

diminished.ey are the president is talking about how he doesn't agree with them and doesn't support their intelligence and doesn't believe it. it's a demoralizing thing for those people. he is also talking about the president has not put an emphasis or the money behind science, climate research, the state department. the former secretary of state did not fill a lot of positions. the new secretary of state says he is going to change that. he does make a couple of good points. guest: there has been a real change in epa. the ability to use science on pollution control, there's been a lot of focus on the epa. scott pruitt has had those scandals.

the trump budget talked about massive cuts to these programs. those have not been able to get through congress. there is no sign they will. host: go ahead. are you with us this morning? i will give you the last minute. is there anything you will be watching for? guest: it's a big foreign policy week for him. we mentioned iran, north korea. we have this confirmation hearing coming up with the cia erector. -- director. guest: there will be a vote in nevada to allow a nuclear waste to go forward.

that is coming up. there will be an energy spending bill. we are also looking at net neutrality. this is something young people are very passionate about. democrats may be able to force a vote in the and the democrats may be able to force a bill in the senate on collins is susan allowing that vote. host: our guests covering all of that for that organization. there andnal reporter with the newspaper, thank you so much. up next on "the washington ournal," we'll have a iscussion about how technology and joins us with the century foundation and later this

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focuses on equality, opportunity and security. and people from the east may emember feline's basement, the founder of that company wanted to give his fortune away and that's how it started. >> you're a senior fellow there. your area of expertise? guest: i focus on the work force and changes to the future of adjust how we need to our protections and programs to respond to that. host: technological unemployment is the term you use in a recent report for the century foundation. find the report that we're talking about today at tcf.org. explain what you mean by that term technological unemployment? guest: with advances in technology especially computing artificial mation, intelligence, and computing technologies can do tasks that were not previously look able so now, when we at currently available technology, some is estimated

2, half of all americans' jobs could be replaced by technology. conservative 10, mates are that 1 in that's 14 million workers in america could lose their jobs based on robot taking its place. host: mounting a response to technological unemployment is name at the report at the century foundation. give us some potential examples. guest: great example is driverless cars. you know, even decade ago, eople writing about this said driving, that's something we'd never be able to automate. there's just too much information and too many decisions. but now, let's look at the speed amount of g and the ata available, we're able to map it enough. that's a critical job across the country, may lose their job to technology very fast. host: the 51%, potential impact f jobs that could be lost or impacted, are you talking a matter of years or decades?

depends on the scale of the pace of technology. over rtainly, you know, the next five to 10 years, we could see significant dislocation. of your the other part report is how prepared the federal government is to assist jobs might be impacted. is it prepared? guest: i would say basically no. we invest much less in these programs. look at toys r us right now. you know, they're the company upended by amazon and those workers in places like just get 10 may weeks of unemployment benefits. and no retraining. nd maybe 55 years old and have to find another job. so i don't think we have the response ready. host: why is it government's job to cushion the blow for the jobs that might be lost due to new technology? >> i think it's a great question. know, it's in all of our interests when workers are productive. hard, so, it's really often when a company lays off their workers, they don't really the way to ch in

help pay their former employees. government is the best source and there's a lot of winners in technology. so we can kind of redistribute to help hose resources the rest of the economy, you know, share in some of those benefits. host: andrew stettner with us from the century foundation. if you want to join our conversation as we talk about technology, its impacts on the work force of the future, phone this are regionally in segment. 02-748-8000 if you're in eastern or central time zones. 800 is if you're in the mountain zones and in e your report, you focus on trade adjustment assistance. that?s t.a.a.? guest: basically, the one generous program that we have actually go back to college, if you're dislocated from work is if you lost your trade. the government will pay for your college and they'll make sure you can meet your expenses.

in order to, you know, be able to complete that program. participants in the trade adjustment assistance program. 2016 from the om department of labor. participants found employment within six months. the average training costs per $12,000.ant is that's how much it costs the government so is this an program? much more generous in the benefits there. if you look at the worker cuts in t.a.a. especially those who job on they're on, they're doing better. and over a lifetime, they'll have a lot more money in their pocket. host: when we talk about the technology aspect here, taking is that wecontention should expand trade adjustment assistance to make it the adjustment nd trade assistance? guest: i think it's one of the simplest things that capitol to thisld do to respond problem. you take an existing program with a lot of good benefits and

eligibility and, you know, specialsly those familiar in the midwest, kind of hard to tell. person operating a machine in a factory losing their job because of trade from or because the technology is moving fast? if you could put the two things all her, we could retrain those workers for good jobs in manufacturing or elsewhere in the economy. a government k program here that costs $12,000 per person to retrain them could expanded to help 51% of the work force potentially in the to come? guest: i think when we look at the adjustment assistance, we spend about six times less of in the european union on these type of programs. and i think it's actually really investment. the kind of anxiety and challenges we've had around job a lot of really had repercussions across the country. and we need to kind of get in front of this. know, when we think about pell grants or other programs, you know, very similar type of investment. we just want adults who lose their job to get the same thing, the young people that are going to college get.

host: andrew stettner joining us to talk about his report a response to technological unemployment. taking your calls, again, phone lines, if you're in the eastern zones, ral time 202-748-8000 and in the pacific and mountain time zones, 8001. mexico.s in new good morning. caller: hello. good morning. wanted to touch off on automation, the effects that it's had. workers with putting out of business or, you know, also their jobs but funneling more money to the people that own the factories. i think that we'll have to -- i don't think automation is going anywhere. deal k that we have to robots and h the we'll just provide energy to them and they'll provide the echanisms or the products that they make. what are your thoughts on that? case i think the best

scenario is we design the robots in a way that maximizes human's inputs. a lot of data that's out there that these, you know, factories to get that be able we can design technology that humans can say, hey, this data is saying this part of the working.is not really actually it means something further down the line is not working so it's really about all of the way that we're it.gning and i think the caller is right. automation really is here to stay. the cost of industrial robots that the caller mentioned has eally calmed down and it's coming down quickly enough that it's making substitutions of a in a factory,rker for example, and i think it will come to restaurants and other places soon. cost comparison is coming a lot closer. host: to the question about what jobs, what sectors should more prepare for the coming of the robots sooner rather than later? guest: you know, i think the jobs that don't require a lot of human touch and insight and creativity, so i think we're

see, you know, obviously people know about what's happening in manufacturing. ut i think it's moving more to the service sector. stores, your restaurants, jobs in those are really going to change. host: eric in milton, new york. you're on with are really going andrew stettner. caller: i'd like to make a couple of comments and ask a question. i read a lot about this. there's a professor by the name rifkin from u penn that writes a lot about the nding of capitalism because of all of this. how, you know, 2/3 of the economy is based on consumer spending. and if consumers don't have jobs, they're not going to be spend. go out and andrew so it's going to totally reform capitalism as we know it. or change capitalism as we know it. a lot of estion is people have proposed shortening because, you know, technology is what it is. the average worker shouldn't have to work more than a few

a week in the future. and they're doing that in europe now. you're seeing the work week in germany, for example, it's like 30 some hours a week. and that way, you know, the jobs there, the work is more divided amongst the workers. and it seems to me the five day week should be on its way out in the new century. comments onget your both those points, if possible. thank you. host: thanks. guest: first thing i would say that like other waves of technology, we shouldn't have less overall unemployment. companies that are making robots are doing well, they're going -- people are going to spend.oney to but the problem is it's a lot of dislocation. you don't, you know, take one see to ohio, you can although the economy is bigger than it was, you know, three decades ago, a lot of the places as well.ing so it's really a problem of inequality. that's why the retraining is so important. the jobsan retrain for in the future. and the second point, you know, caller made,w, the you know, i think, you know, is valid as well. retraining n the

aspect of that for the long haul truck driver that you brought up s an example in the beginning, what do you see that person doing after retraining? uest: i think, you know, hopefully other work that's going to lose their hands, potential going to be more technical in nature and more unique in crafting starting workingn business maybe in construction. so kind of moving into something skills.es their one thing that's heartening, a detailed analysis came out said workers, more than three of four might lose their jobs could find another occupation in using their but same skills. i think that's the idea. host: the idea of expanding adjustment assistance to technology and trade adjustment assistance, how much do you see costing and how do you pay for that? guest: i think, you know, we think willthat per year$1 1/2 billion over the first five years based on what mckenzie is estimating as the level of job loss that we'll see, and i think, you know, there's a lot of different

to pay for it. one that bill gates has and i is the in the paper robot that takes their job should pay your taxes. type of specific technology tax could be something we should consider. edward, new york. paul, good morning. caller: good morning, everyone. i'm a perfect example of the trade adjustment act. i worked for general electric york.in upstate new and as a blue collar worker, our juarez, s moved to mexico because of the nafta trade agreement. jobs.00 of us lost our now, seven of us signed up for and alle adjustment act seven of us graduated college. i got my bachelor's degree, and then i got my teaching certification. i ended up doing ok. it was a long haul. but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. so that's my comment. host: thanks for the call. guest: great to hear that story and, you know, it's one of the only programs we have that would allow the caller

to college.go back most of the other retraining programs we have are only $3,000 worker. and that's really just enough for a short term occupational training. ost: what does does that pay for? guest: so the t.a.a. is paying for the tuition that this caller whereas go to college the other college may pay for a short term training like the orining to be a truck driver training to be a welder or medical assistants, shorter term trainings. host: what about the living expenses you're incurring while school?ck to guest: so it's unique, you continue to get the same thing that you would get in benefits as long as you're making satisfactory progress in your training. n t.a.a., you get up to two years after you were laid off to complete that training course. so if you -- especially if you credits college hopefully already, you might be able to get a bachelor's degree but certainly an associate's degree. host: define satisfactory improvement in your training.

guest: meeting the requirements and passing if it's a college level class. on : how long can you stay t.a.a.? guest: up to two years that you can stay on t.a.a. ost: what is the level of waste, fraud and abuse that we know about in that program? guest: i think the biggest hallenge of the program like t.a.a. is getting people into training that they can complete then find a job after they complete the training. that's the biggest challenge of the program. host: john is in california. good morning. morning.good yes, i think it's a little premature to think that, you driverless trucks would be out there on the road how incredibly complicated it is to drive a truck. but i almost got run off the trucker who was probably very sleepy. can nk that the technology help truck drivers, you know, with, you know, helping them to drive. to have a totally driverless truck would be insane. and i think there would be a public outcry.

host: andrew stettner? guest: it's very interesting. research would show that driverless cars and trucks will have less accidents humans. but it will be a lot easier to blame the government or blame a company when a driverless truck off the road. but we are solving some of these problems at a pace that i don't imaginable.ught was so we may be comfortable with somebody really, that driver behind a joy stick, you know, in an office in 10ifornia, you know, driving trucks like he's driving 10 video games. we may be comfortable with that. be safer ay, in fact, than the driving we have now. but hopefully those would be behind that computer in california. and retraining some of those truck drivers that lost their jobs. in general, do you find that technology replacing these jobs to be a good thing? right moving in the direction as a society when technology is doing that? basically, what, -- if we harness the technology for what we want it to do and

our standard of living and solve problems, yes. let it be in the way that it's just technology coming down like a force of ature, then i think uber is a good example of that. you know, this is something that came into the marketplace, kind bullied their way in. i think we all like having ride sharing services. ut the people that are doing it, a lot of them aren't making a living because we kind of didn't get in front of it to say how we going to do this in a way renumerative to working people? host: what should we have done uber as it was coming into cities? guest: the basic regulation around background checks for people that are driving so we problems with sexual assault would have been a great place to start. and what they're considering a of er of places, some type minimum wage. you know, based on well, if youone is going to do this, know, for an hour and have certain expenses for their car, let's make sure they're at least getting, you know, a decent wage from it. host: the report is mounting a response to technological

unemployment. andrew stettner is a senior fellow with us for 10 more minutes this morning if you want to call, give us a call on regional phone lines. 202-748-8000 if you're in the eastern or central time zones. 8001 if you're in the mountain or pacific time zone. california is next. good morning. morning.ood thanks for taking the phone call. let me preface a couple of things to begin with. i hope you're reading the newsletter every week about the latest technology. i'm sure you probably do that. secondly, we don't have any information about nanotechnology and no information about stem research. we have no information, it's of a news blackout on any this high-tech new information that we're supposed to get. pretty obviously have good information about artificial intelligence because

of the automobile industry and their autonomous vehicle program. quite realize that technology has superseded and here beyond jump almost any of our recognition of what our society is going to look like in five years. in three years, we're going to have all electric vehicles. and everybody is thinking oh, impossible. that's like smoking on an aircraft. that was impossible to take away. well, please tell us now about the nanotechnology. medical breakthroughs and stem cell research and all those things and how those are going to tremendously impact our society. guest: i think you're right. think about -- the caller mentions health care, mentions nano materials. ones that help me understand this is the concept of the law that computing speed, know, doubles, you know, within every five years. so we think about how fast today and, you know, getting us to the next level.

doing things that are previously unimaginable and ringing the cost of technology to a place that we never thought it it was going to be before. the college mentions ray kerswell. here's a recent study from insider" about him, engineer for google. director of engineering saying income will spread worldwide by 2030s. picture of ray there. mike is in burke, virginia. good morning. caller: yes. my name is -- yes. i went to a forum on thursday, days ago, it was on afl-cio as a retired federal employee and as member, it was called labor in the digital age. and it was afl-cio commission on of working unions. pretty much the consensus -- what the consensus as is that the unions have to

get involved. that the unions have to get displaced workers. moderators stated the future yment in could be close to 47 -- close to 47%. somebody else on the forum said get that high.'t but also said that a lot of this like -- like maybe trucks or cars or other types of technology, even though it makes an impact right a few would take maybe decades o work -- few to have an effect on the macro economy. i'd like to get your thoughts on that. for the question. guest: i was there as well at

commission and getting involved knees discussions is a critical point. government, you know, provides one way to get involved in that because we regulate, you know, a lot of the economy. i think it's right to say technology will probably be, you know, modest, next 10 years e but as costs continue to go down products and ted uses for artificial intelligence, it will speed up, that.ow, much after and it gives us an opportunity to really think about this question of retraining. our jobs are changing, you know, mechanics used to, you know, get under the hood. they put a computer into a car. chance for us to get ahead of for not just those who are losing their jobs, but are for whom the jobs changing. and may be able to keep them if they're able to upgrade their skills. host: caller brings up union membership. i want to get your thoughts on membership.of union

this "washington post" blog shows union membership from 1917 on the end here. increase to 1945 and then a long decline to 2017. guest: there was some heartening facts in this year's data where small up tick and a significant up tick among ounger workers and workers working in the information industry like some of the newspapers and new websites. so i think there's a renewed young people, people that came of age during the recession of having some protections in ability to have the voice that worked. host: do you think it will get back to that number, belonging unions? guest: i think it was a very different time in terms of the conomy and the industrial age but i think that percent of workers want to have some voice t work whether it be through unions or other organizations. you know, the polling about

unions has been ticking upwards today where it in many, many years. is that something we need to think about in the future of technology? potential unions in the future if we're talking about artificial intelligence? guest: one of the critical is thinking about the different sectors of the economy and how we want to have a say in technology. europe hooz a step up on us where, you know, there's more of of the ach that sectors economy are kind of governed ith unions and firms in government. we need some kind of structure to think through what kind of regulations do we need in the that are industries really changing, whether it be retail or trucking or health care. or restaurants. what do we really want to have in place? host: just a few minutes left stettner this morning. the century foundation is the with, tcf.org. mark has been waiting in henderson, north carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. actually i'm up here by washington, d.c.

i'm making a delivery. i'm a truck driver. ok? don'tys in the technology have a clue, ok? you know how tight the streets are in here. ok? these -- there's different shipers, let me see, there's receivers s, four where i'm at. they all receive at different times, ok? out in thei'm parked middle of the road getting unloaded. then i got to move the truck back so we can get into the to get into the other side and that. driving cross country until you get to the shipper or you get to the receiver, yeah, driverless truck might, might work. but i really doubt it. once you get up in the mountain there's so many different factors. so many different things. adjustrless truck cannot for your going downhill and hecking your air pressure with your air brakes on this truck, ok? there's several different things hat actually have to be

manually done in an 18 wheeler to run it safely. and with the new regulations that they screwed up, and the reason why so many truck manually done in an 18 wheeler to run it safely. drivers righte lady said maybe that drubbing driver was tired our hands are so tied and there's not enough parking tots for the trucks out here that rked in or areas so we can get these trucks pulled before we used to be able to pull them to the side and take and rest a little bit and not have it count our clock that we have. a t: how long have you been truck driver? caller: actually, i'm coming up on two million safe driving miles. ok? accidents, no tickets. i dwrooif my truck very safely. with this electronic log that we now, right? ok, i'm look -- i'm seeing --

i ing to do things that normally wouldn't do and i'm planning on getting the hell out because you ess guys are so overregulating it, it's becoming a joke. ok? before -- host: thanks for the call. i appreciate it. stay safe out there. let andrew stettner jump in and respond to you. a lot one caller mentions of the complexities of this change in technology. partly why some of the estimates from 47% to 1 in 10. but it may just be a real change. mentioned, some of the longer haul driving may be automated but there may be end a lot more jobs in short haul trucking which is with amazonated and and others powering delivery, we haul ve a lot more short driving jobs. so it's really just changing how this is really kind of mixed up the economy as it's growing. stettner, senior fellow at the century foundation. at tcf.org as

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republicans, 8001. 8002.endents is in a few minutes, we'll be taking you to lincoln, nebraska on our c-spanr 32 50 capitals tour. until then, the phone lines are yours. few of the headlines in today's papers. this focusing on tomorrow's four states.n that would be indiana, ohio, north carolina, and west virginia. washington times saying that the trump effect on the ballot n g.o.p. primaries, the races in west virginia like the primaries senatorial in ohio and indiana on thursday have turned into a test of trumpiness, they write. focusing on ries those races today including this from the business section of the "new york times." here's their headline. trade, pro immigration economist running for congress as a republican. his name.s he's running for ohio's 12th

district. he would seem to have the right stuff to be a g.o.p. candidate for congress in any other year 2018, he seems out of step with his party. we'll show you a few more primaries but he also want to hear from you as well this morning in open phones. republicans and independents can call in. any public policy issue you want up first out, joe is in west virginia. joe, before you comment, what tomorrow's ughts on primary day out there? vote.r: well, i'll go i think everyone should vote. choices all the good we have here in the united states to try to make a difference. and i'd like to on the open phones. west virginia is in such an economic depression, especially with the est virginia opioid crisis, with the downturn we built or g and carried the industrial

on our backs here in west virginia and the only thing coal iser gotten out of misery. coal will never make a comeback. the money thatll the united states spends especially like the -- in the and the iraq wars, of that money e had been invested in west virginia. to the point in southern west virginia that the only way that we of our state can or will be able to survive if the federal government comes invests in us. now, you mentioned with the guest, there's training programs. those training programs don't to r anything that you need get retrained. this area a job in that is covered under those retraining programs is impossible. you'll have to relocate out of this area just to get a job at a

driver that pays from $10 o $15 an hour and you cannot live in cities for $10 or $15 an hour. high graduated from school, i left and went to the i left area and when chicago in the 1980s, i was making $16 an hour. $16 an hour, you're lucky to get down n a coal mining job here, one of very few that even exist and mining is an extraction. once you take that coal out of the ground, it's gone forever. it doesn't regenerate. it doesn't do anything and all the problems that are left with mining are left here in our ofer and in our food because the waste that's been left. west virginia probably needs $100 billion in southern west virginia just to clean up the muck that mining has made. pritchard, s joe in

west virginia. the president tweeting about the primary taking place tomorrow. to the great people of west virginia, we have together a big chance of making a big difference. said.esident the problem is don blankenship, republican running for the nomination, the president says he's currently -- he can't win the general election in your state. way. remember, alabama. the president tweeted. jenkins or a.g. morrisey. carol is in west virginia. west virginia, independent. carol, what are your thoughts on the primary tomorrow? caller: caller: i'm going to be voting probably for jenkins. but i just -- i appreciate the ast caller because we do have an issue with spending federal overseas for countries that basically is doing nothing for us.

we spent millions and millions that lars overseas doesn't, as far as i'm concerned and this is just my personal we don't -- we get nothing back in return. in each state that could take a cut of some of those funds. and use it to better their own states. fork out millions for illegal take ants to be here, to advantage of our country and everybody says, oh, the law says that they don't get any benefits. when they go to our public they go to the when they use other elfare benefits, they are getting benefits that is taken own. our i have nothing against legal immigrants being here. but our country is being

invaded! west that's carol in virginia. carol mentions her support for jenkins. that's evan jenkins, congressman evan jenkins is running as well for the senate nomination to democrat joe manchin this fall. evan jenkins, former state delegate ormer state and an attorney as well. william is next in open phones walcott, new york. an independent. go ahead. > i just wanted to say when we vote a president in, he's elected, the other party should enough to back that person to get them -- get things done. you know, that we can make america great and we're going wants to admit that. know, we owe a fortune. it's about time we start back with a president that wants to on, e things that he runs you know, back the things that he runs on. he wants to accomplish them.

them accomplish that to make america great again. ost: i take it you're a supporter of president trump? caller: i like what i see. know, he's did some things that -- with the women and stuff, you know, what's that do with making america great? let's take and get the problems fixed that needs to be fixed, you know. let's back him and get things done. that with whatever the president is, democrat or republican, we need to back that elected and get things accomplished so we can be a great country. do you think republicans backed president two after he won his elections to get things done? caller: i know they didn't. they need to! nce a president is elected and everybody should back that person until his term is over and if they don't like what he'd president the new

would be elected to change them policies and if that's what to be done. but we should always all get together and back the president that's elected. host: that's william in new york this morning. phones t caller in open brought up the opioid crisis. wall a story in today's street journal in the history of that crisis comparing it to the in the late c series ongress passed a of laws that aimed at stopping guidelines.ith they are considering legislation aimed at curbing a drug crisis, opioid abuse. time, the emphasis is on funding research into public enabling ises and states to deal with its consequences. lawmakers and experts haven't why the consensus on federal government's response to opioids is so different from the that preceded it. some experts point to the difference in scope. 2,252 deathsre were

associated with cocaine ccording to the drug abuse warning network, now closed national public health surveillance system. 31, he 12 months to january 2017, there were 20,145 overdose from fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. rife hers, the contrast is with racial undertones given the crack epidemic isproportionately affected the black community while the opioid epidemic predominantly affects whites. story in today's "wall street journal" if you want to read it. pennsylvania.lle, line for democrats in open phones. go ahead. to er: hi, yeah, i wanted say like the last caller says how we have to get behind the president. republicans obstructed obama to the extreme. beyond belief that these people and the other call ertificate calling about how wonderful trump is. and he's a criminal!

background e's such and they complain about -- he complains about the news. is tellingy're doing the truth! they quote what he says and people said oh, that's fake news. i mean, it's really -- you know what? other dictators have done that. they call the news fake news. host: larry, rapid city, south dakota. independents. go ahead. caller: yeah, everybody is isplaining about the economy doing great but people call up and they say not that great. ripping off the united states are the corporations. look at medical. they made medical into a cotton picking business. look at the insurance company, them up. look at the gas going up and that's going to be like $3 a we got all the gas in the world. oil that we want. it's the corporations ripping off this country. not the government. host: our last caller in open phones. you can continue calling in this

as we turn to our c-span 50 capitals tour. number 32 on that tour around the country. the c-span bus today is in lincoln, nebraska. second largest city in the state behind omaha. oining us now on board the c-span bus is governor pete ricketts. governor ricketts, good morning to you, sir. surprised might be to learn that nebraska is the unicameral with a state legislature. why is that? on impact does that have you as governor? guest: good morning. thanks for having me on. nd yes, we are the only state with a unicameral. that means we have one house instead of two houses like every other state in the country. it dates back, actually to the when we made that change, and what it means is we've got a nonpartisan unicameral. that's how they run. don't run as republican or democrat. told that means we're less polarized than other statehouses around the country. dynamics a s the

little bit with regard to how you work together. there is no, you know, house majority whip or anything like that. gets a every bill hearing and every senator gets a priority bill so i think it makes it something where more ators have a lot opportunity to be able to talk about their agendas and be able to get things done. nebraska ial line for residents if you have questions for your governor. 202-748-8000. all others can call in at 8001. as folks are calling in this morning, the national unemployment rate was released 3.9%.riday at nebraska is more than a full than the lower national rate at 2.8%. that?s one of the things is our state is growing. we have won an award for the

projects per nt capita at any state in the country. in our s are investing state. forbes ranks as the fourth best state overall for business. lowest unemployment rate and the sixth most stable inancially stable state according to the center and "u.s. news & world report" seventh ranked us the best state overall. we have a wonderful place to live, work and raise a family. dynamic economy and investing here. that's why you see companies growing and nebraskans love to work. highest work the force participation rates in the country as well. host: with president trump's proposed chinese tariff and that the ffs administration is rolling out, how do you think that's going to impact nebraska? guest: well, that's certainly a cause for concern among our farmers and ranchers. agriculture is our largest industry in the state and the heart and soul about what we do.

20% of our overall state economy and 1 in 4 jobs in nebraska is tied back to agriculture. 95% of the world's consumers lay outside of our borders. we look to be able to expand opportunities. so there is concern when china potential bout tariffs. they know that china needs to be things like ble on intellectual property rights and we have some areas, for example, year, they opened up their trade market to u.s. beef. here are opportunities for us to be able to expand and get ore market access but i think worried about something that i happen with the tariffs. able to for us to be work with china. we have some time to be able to trade negotiation done.

this trade et negotiation done so we can continue to enjoy the market ccess in china and that mutually benefit relationship through trade. >> have you brought the concerns directly to ght up the president and what's your relationship like with him? guest: actually, the president leaders from the midwest to come in and talk about agriculture, the white few weeks ago. and it wasn't just focused on as well. other things at that point, we talked about the trade relationships not only but with mexico and canada. we're renegotiating nafta right now. he president was fairly optimistic with regard to nafta though he couldn't give us a time frame when we'd get that signed. year, actually i led a trade mission to canada to highlight how important that relationship is not only to nebraska but to the entire country. nd it benefits canada and mexico as well. so it was actually senator from ey in that meeting iowa said in his, i think, 37 years of being in the u.s. enate was very rare for a

president to call a meeting to talk about agriculture. nd so i think what that demonstrates is the president is listening. he is concerned about what goes on with our farmers and ranchers. he said he's got their backs. and now we just have to continue to work on these trade the one weps such as just got done with south korea that did expand market access and the president has, you know, to open up trade opportunities for us. last year, he got the china opened to u.s. beef for the first time in 14 years. argentina opened up the pork market to the u.s. last year. apan has opened up their ethanol market. we have seen this administration open up market access for the here in that we produce nebraska. and that's important. ost: as a state governor, how easy is it for you to get the president on the phone? to the well, with regard president, i actually haven't called up and said hey, can i get the president on the phone? i will tell you with regard to cabinet, they are so accessible it is unbelievable. and every time i have asked for

call, we've been able to get that up. so, for example, i think it was that we e was rumors were going to withdraw from that south korean trade agreement, i phone call with trade ambassador on friday and by sunday afternoon, i was talking to him. when there was additional talks about things with regard to forth, i've been able to get on the phone with gricultural secretary sunny purdue, with commerce secretary ross so whenever we've had an issue, i've been able to get on the phone. nd this cabinet has been accessible coming to the state of nebraska. administration, we had ag secretary tim vilsack here once and that was the only that came herery nebraska my first two years as governor. under this administration the 15 months, we've had sonny purdue here twice already. he's coming for a third time. we've had secretary chow of transportation come to nebraska. e've had secretary devoss of

education here and e.p.a. administrator pruitt here and i've been here with secretary of and labor talking about issues there. the prior h.h.s. secretary tom three times talking about health care policy when there was legislation going on with that last year. so this administration has been tremendously accessible. what we think. general kelly, in fact, when we were at the white house in the first question the president asked when there's a policy question, what do the governors think? his resident has told cabinet members, he wants them out of washington, d.c. three days a week, we certainly have in seeing that here nebraska. host: governor pete ricketts on board the c-span bus as part of capitals tour. it's stop number 32. phone line for nebraska residents if you want to talk to governor this morning. 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. he'll be with us until the end of our program today at 10:00. haven, n new connecticut. you're up first. good morning. morning.good

i think what would make america great if all the immigrants they're back because taking away from america! nd they're doing a lot of crimes. america has people that doesn't even have place to stay. not jobs to have! i think all the immigrants needs to go back and rebuild their own country. host: that's dennis this morning. ricketts? guest: well, certainly what we want to have is a system of immigration that is legal. i think that's really been one of the challenges we've had is that with our border not of g secure and a lot illegal immigration that certainly has strained our service here locally in nebraska educatione talk about or health care. want to i think we do have an immigration policy that benefits this country, what we a e to do is make sure it's legal immigration system. and i think that's what we have to focus on is the rule of law that tting up that system brings people to our country that we need to be able to help us grow our country and control

borders so that we don't have this illegal immigration coming across uncontrolled. host: number of states filed action end the deferred for childhood arrivals program. nebraska is part of that suit. correct? guest: yeah, that's correct. again, that gets back to what i was talking about with regards to the rule of law. a system and a process here in this country for how we do things. nd that's important for us to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to weigh in on that. something ogram was that previous administration did that was outside of the bounds of those laws. that's something that really go through the congress. it was an overreach by the executive branch. to have recourse for that is to go to the courts. threeou know, we have our different branches of government so we go to the judiciary branch for that.dress executive branch is stepping out of lines with regard to what their powers are. that's how we expect to get this resolved.

host: sylvester in maryland. you're on with governor ricketts. caller: governor, good morning. guest: how are you doing today? caller: i'm doing fine. to you, sir, why are the past ointed in administration with your efforts ut you are so inclined to support this administration without question? host: what specific efforts did the governor supported the past administration on? to support ends not the immigration, the daca program. but now, he's advocating that daca program for this administration is a question that is not important. from what he's saying, you can see that. host: governor ricketts? guest: well, again, when we were talking about the daca program, we had problems with it in this administration and we had last ms within the administration and again, it gets back to that rule of law. that we have a way of doing

this country and when the executive branch oversteps its powers, our responsibility is to push back on that. and the way we do that is hrough judiciary and that was consistent with -- whether it was the last administration or this administration. host: to geneva, nebraska. one of your constituents. eric.orning, caller: good morning. governor, i wanted to ask about the importance of e-15 in the how you nebraska and feel we can make it usable here in the state. people who don't know, what is e-15? is an ethanol blend of 15% ethanol. and that's one of the things when he president, again, we were at the white house a few weeks ago, he supports going to e-15 and doing it all year round. and eric, that's a big deal for us. ebraska is the second largest ethanol producing state. thanol is an inexpensive form of energy for our cars. it's cleaner burning. to it's one of the ways

boost octane without carcinogens so it's a win-win for everybody. it's something that will help you get better, you know, performance out of your car, to save money at the pump and will also help keep the vierpt clean. t really is something that can really help all of us. and it creates a lot of jobs here in nebraska. nd with the president supporting e-15 all year round, that's a big deal because that could mean the demand for almost two million more bushels of corn. when corn prices are down low been, that's a big deal. so it helps create jobs in the small town communities and helps environment. overall, ethanol is something really, really good for our country and so the president a big deal -15 is for nebraska and a good deal for the united states. host: not too far from lincoln, nebraska where the governor is bus is krete, an nebraska. arnold is waiting. good morning. hello. hi, host: go ahead. caller: how you doing?

guest: doing pretty good. how are you doing today? fine.r: just two questions i got to ask you. are you there? guest: is that fair you get two questions? host: we're running out of time. what's the question? caller: first one is we're going to start getting rid of all the llegal mexicans that are all over nebraska like crazy taking everybody else's jobs. and two, when will you ever legalize marijuana medically or legalize marijuana to help people medically? governor? guest: sure, let's take the first one first. yeah, with regard to illegal that's some again, of the things that this president has been addressing with regard to border security. step k that's the first that we have to take is making sure we secure that southern border. and one of the things that we're doing was mentioned a little earlier in this program we are to court with the federal government with regard to their policy on daca.

we believe that's an overstep of the executive branch with regard to that policy. a rule of n, we have law here. that's how we should do it. we do want to have a legal mmigration system that works for this country. that means we have to control our southern border. we cannot have illegal to gration and we have follow the rules that are on the books and if you don't like the rules, you got to change them through the congress. way it's supposed to work. with regard to marijuana, we ctually have a system for making sure that drugs are safe and effective in certain doses and that's diseases also the f.d.a. the food and drug administration. hey vet all those drugs carefully to make sure there's no unintended consequences. if there are side effects, we those things are about & marijuana is a dangerous drug, it needs to go through that same process. we're not doctors here in the capitol building. we need to allow the experts to that's supposed to be used. and that's the process that it should go through. derivatives e are right now of marijuana going through that process. so that's the process i support drugs,e sure when we have

we know they're safe and effective and that's the process that marijuana and all drugs need to go through. host: last call with just a minute or two left. steve has been waiting in florida. steve, you're on with governor ricketts. caller: yes, governor. ith all due respect, you have it all wrong. the f.d.a. is bought and sold by pharma. medical marijuana, i've used it. i'm a melanoma patient and i all that ow about genetically modified corn you're growing. nutrient deficient as herbicides all over it. it's fed to the cattle. cattle are supposed to eat grass. and it's wreaking havoc on immune system entry. it's understudied. you're growing the wrong thing! host: take the question. give you the last minute, sir. guest: all right. great, thanks. well, again, we've got a process. we're making sure drugs are safe effective and that's why we've got a system here in our country that actually by and

large works for most people. is the f.d.a. perfect? no, it's not always going to be perfect. get es take a long time to those drugs through. but it is the best system that we have been able to accomplish. able to allow people to use dangerous drugs without having that research, i think is think it is putting people at greater risk. with regard to the corn we are growing here, the work we do is helping make sure we can feed the entire world, that all studies show this is safe, that we are growing here using genetically modified process that can help us produce more. our exports are in demand around the world. japan increased exports of u.s.

beef by 26%. is outsee the demand there and we want to continue we can meet the needs of a growing world. that is what we are doing here. feeding a growing world. host: we appreciate your time. thank you. guest: appreciate it. have a good one. host: we what to think spectrum and lincoln, nebraska and remind viewers to stay tuned for the of our two were in california -- in south dakota. we will see you back here tomorrow morning. have a great monday. ♪

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