8:30 representative pramila jayapal on the mueller investigation. host: president trump and first lady melania trump greeted three americans who have been detained by the north korean government. president trump highlight the release not only benefiting the captured men but also suggesting it served as a prelude to productive talks between the president and north korean leader kim jong-il. thoughts nott your only in the release of these men but also the right trump administration played in it and what it might suggest for those upcoming talks in north korea. here's a few let us now. democrats (202) 748-8000.

republicans (202) 748-8001. .ndependents (202) 748-8002 you can post on twitter and on our facebook page. it was in the early morning hours that the three men arrived on american soil at andrews air force base saying it was the president who said, we are starting off on new footing. this is a wonderful thing that he released the folks early. the president saying he believed kim jong-un wanted to bring north korea into the real world. the planned meeting with the the first between the u.s. president and north korean leader. the president offered thoughts. here some of those thoughts this morning. jong-unnt to thank kim who really was excellent to

these three incredible people. they are really three incredible people. the fact that we are able to get them out so soon was really a tribute to a lot of things including a certain process that is taking place right now. is very process important. so we will see what happens. we have a meeting scheduled. you will be hearing about it soon. we have to location set and we'll see if we can do something that people did not think was going to happen for many many years and a lot of bad things could have happened in between. night forspecial these three really great people and congratulations on being in this country. thank you. your thoughts on the release of these men and what it says about larger issues with the relation with north korea.

(202) 748-8000 democrats,^ (202) 748-8003 independents. tony kim was arrested in 2017. kim hak-song also talked at the university and was detained last year. they appeared to be in good health but were taken to walter medical center for medical evaluation and quoting one of the detainees saying, i was treated in many different ways but overall i had to do much labor and when i became ill i received some treatment. also the trio thanking the president and other officials from bringing them home. god and all of our families prayed for us and their return. they said in their beliefs that

the plane stopped over in alaska. good morning. go ahead. caller: i have a brother-in-law named pedro. host: your thoughts on the release this morning? they claimed victory for peace. i think the unification of korea starts with the small things. donald trump, i kind of had my him but he has really come through with the president. this is a major step in history and the stabilization of the south pacific. i think it's going to bring us closer together to the oriental asians. host: you think this is one of the small steps to larger talks planned between north korea and the united states? caller: i do really believe that.

i have been preying on this with my rosary for quite some time when i first heard about north korea in the olympics that kim jong-il sent his daughter i think it was to south korea. that was a major step that told me that he wanted to open up and once they start seeing how great the free world really is they are going to say i should have had a v8. host: cliff is next on the republican line. caller: good morning. c-span is running -- leading with a story that is positive for trump. that's kind of unusual. trumps america first reorientation of america's view towards the world is really affecting great change all over the world. dealmaker and a

everything has done so quickly. host: how do you think that played out in the release of these three men? a deal and ite happened really fast. he said our previous leaders were always so stupid. they just didn't try to see america as first. --t: the previous caller has had said the small steps could lead to talks between north korea and the united states. do you believe that as well? caller: thank you. that's a very good point. i remember the establishment media when trump first started dealing with this guy from korea. the end of the world is coming. remember that scare in hawaii where the nukes were coming? is sauditing for me arabia's new role in the world. host: tatum is in carlsbad california.

good morning. go ahead. good morning. how the wondering liberals are going to perceive this tramping victory and blessed trump for bringing these men home. , americanan being citizens that are back on american soil. i had a woman in the car and she was just so irate and so disgusted with trump. regardless what the topic, what the conversation, with the context was. was kind of disheartening that americans can really not even give the benefit of the doubt to a republican president. host: in particular with the release of the north korean

gentleman what do you think about specifically that event? i believe it just proves the man is smart and the man is taking advice from many many people and he's doing things the right way and i think liberals have to take a step back and believe in him. that is tatum: from california this morning given thoughts on the release of these men which you are seeing on video here. three of them held at the north korean government back in the united states. the president talking about referencing and those larger issues when it comes to foreign policy. (202) 748-8000 democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. (202) 748-8002 independents. a piece on cnn's website takes a look at the secretary of state's role.

modified boeing 757 had taken off from andrews late monday. when secretary of state mike pompeo came to the back of the plane he was edited pyongyang. -- headed to pyongyang. pompeo didn't know who he would meet but added he would raise the issue of the three americans detained in north korea cautioning they had no commitment on their release. i hope north korea will do the right thing. we have been asking the release of these take -- detainees for seven months. it would be a great gesture. over the negotiations the secretary of state would score the most dramatic foreign-policy victory of the trump administration. that's just some of the reporting from cnn on mike pompeo's role. secretary of state.

mississippi is next. larry. go ahead. caller: good morning. were takeneople while trump was in office right? host: they have been detained for some time. some of them going back to 2015. go ahead. he's just doing his job. he's not doing anything special. that's what he is supposed to do. he's the president. host: the fact that they're coming home under this administration doesn't have any significance for you then? no.er: they were taken under this administration so he is just doing his job. he hasn't done anything special. have a nice day. host: that's larry in mississippi. give us thought you can do so on twitter, on the phone lines.

the list that you provide on twitter this morning. potomac, maryland. democrat line. good morning. this is richard. caller: good morning. thanks for having me on. the release of the three prisoners is wonderful. but let's not be ridiculous. have been at this stage several times in the last 20, 30 years. kim jong-un is not going to give up his nukes. .et's not believe all the hype if we are stupid he will take advantage of us and i'm afraid that's what will ultimately happen. from houston, texas. democrat line. we will hear next from william. go ahead. caller: good morning, c-span. it's the same thing every day. does,ly thing a democrat republicans don't like.

bringlways wonderful to prisoners home. it's like a broken record. i have been listening to c-span for almost 30 years. i wish you would go back to the format you had in the 90's. host: what do you think first and foremost about their release? caller: i will say this. did not that mr. trump -- the same thing about character as he did about my dear friend john mccain. roberto, democrat line. go ahead. hello. i'm very glad that this has happened and i am not a fan of president trump. but let me tell you that it also doesn't help if you are a democrat to pile everything up

in the same bag. i think this is great news for those three men. i think president trump deserves credit for this. that is not to take away from some of the bad things he has done in my opinion. to say immediately everything the president does -- to view it negatively is irresponsible and childish. this is a very positive thing and i believe that it is president trump's achievement. whatever language he used seems to have worked and in my opinion that at least for this one he deserves a pat on the back. host: from the wall street journal this morning, talking about larger foreign-policy issues and let the release of these men. saying that the president's decision to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal of indexing invariable ahead of the upcoming talks with north korean leader

kim jong-il. -- kim jong-un. i see no bad coming out of the u.s. decision to pull out from the iran record. who served as south korea's national security adviser from 2010 to 2013 under a conservative government and goes on to say the end of the iran deal would send a message to pyongyang that the u.s. is not seeking a nuclear deal with loopholes. johnstown, pennsylvania. next up, bill. independent line. happy to seeo these three gentlemen were finally released. undoubtedly they have been through an awful lot. i am thankful to the president and our department of state to be able to facilitate it. i was a little bit miffed about the president feeling he had to

show up at 3:00 in the morning to steal some of the happiness that should be all directed at them. host: why do you think he was stealing the happiness? enough i have lived long to see a number of hostages released and although at some point -- he is due credit for it i don't want to take that away from him. thest think it just shows largeness of his ego having to show up at that time of the night with the vice president and their spouses. that sort of thing. i'm sure they would have met with them either way at some point. it just took something away from it for me. andrews air force base is where the president along with the vice president and his wife. here's more of those thoughts from early this morning. my proudest achievement will

do nuclear right that entire peninsula. this is what people have been waiting for for a long time. nobody thought we could be on this track in terms of speed. i'm very honored to have helped the three folks. they are great people. i got to speak to them on the plane. these are great people. they have been through a lot. it's a great honor. the true honor is going to be if we have a victory in getting rid of nuclear weapons. host: from alabama we will hear from kim, republican line. go ahead. caller: i'm a democrat. i like to say it's a good thing that these three people who were imprisoned in north korea was released. and give credit to donald trump for that. i hope he don't refer to them as heroes. because he didn't refer to john

mccain as a hero. is this is one good thing that donald trump has done. other things that he has done, going against climate change and all of the allies that supported climate change, going against with our brand that all of the allies had participated in and agreed to and now he wants to make a deal? it takes two people to make a deal. jong-un -- it takes kim and donald trump. he doesn't get all of the credit. there's two people involved. and caring right in the washington post this morning, trump's confidence in his gut driven foreign-policy growth is the headline. saying trump has become

increasingly confident in that out-of-the-box approach to international relations and dismissive of warning from establishment critics who told him he should stay in the iran nuclear deal, keep the embassy in israel in tel aviv and tone down his bellicose language despite what he promised during the campaign. the result is a foreign-policy approach of marked by trumps tough rhetoric. his detractors warn could have dire consequences for the united states and its allies. the united states no longer makes empty threats. when i make promises, i keep them. outcomes remain uncertain on iran, north korea and the embassy move. the president and a new circle of close national security adviser's are already proving -- caution and consistency. in oregon. democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my

call. two things i want to say is i was not a trump supporter and i am still not. i applaud the detail that our country was able to make with kim jong-il. i want to also say that there were two partners in this. i think it shows a great sense of maturity on the part of the korean leader to be able to put down his pride and put some of his own self-interest aside. in order to participate in this deal. i am really ecstatic. i stayed up late. until 3:00 in the morning i believe it was. when they came and watched them on television. i was almost as thrilled to see our american citizens returned to the united states as i was when john mccain walked off the plane from north vietnam.

i think anytime hostages returned to our country or to any other country it's a good day. the other thing i want to say is i think melania trump looks gorgeous in that outfit. before you go, a previous caller had said the president arriving in the early morning hours for him took something away from the arrival of freeman -- free men. did you have those thoughts similar? caller: i have a lot of progressive friends who don't ever want to see donald trump. because of some of the things he does and the current domestic reports about his -- about the molar investigation. i've decided that he is the president of the united states. he is considered to be the leader of the free world. and i want to see what this guy does. i'm not sure it was necessary to do that and i think it's part of donald trump's profile to be in

the spotlight whenever something good happens. because quite frankly rarely these days does anything could happen with this presidency. give him his props. host: jodey off of twitter says when referencing -- the president referenced those three incredible people and then she goes on to say they were captive -- they were captive by north korea just like john mccain, adding that john wasn't so incredible. john bolton national security adviser and op-ed piece this morning taking a look at larger aspects of foreign-policy and the trump administration. the president just made america safer he argues. the theory was that the iranian --ime wouldn't be interested

rather than focusing on behaving responsibly iran has poured aliens of dollars into military ventures abroad. meanwhile the iranian people have suffered at home from tanking currency, rising inflation, stagnant wages and spiraling environmental crisis. a physical demonstration of the u.s. commitment to israel which is affected commitment to our national security interests and also talk about north korea thing president trump also understands that north korea has exhibited a wide range of unacceptable behavior and its weapons of mass destruction programs pose an immediate danger to america and our allies. the president much prefers to handle things diplomatically. he has established strong working relations to help do just that. david in south carolina on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you.

you can't be any happier for them. it's just an amazing thing. one was captured under the previous administration. two under this one. it has absolutely nothing to do with the white house, the fact that they were taken prisoner. on a larger scale i don't think we should make too much of it because a dictator is just going to use whatever point you can to gain whatever advantage can. and i'm sure the president knows this. host: so you don't parlay this into bigger things when it comes to these upcoming talks that the present references? caller: i do. i just think it's kim jong-un's way of trying to soften up the president or show better faith in what he really is. just using it as part of the negotiation. i don't think it's a big sign of anything to come. and i'm sure the white house and his advisers know that this is just simply a good gesture and

everyone is happy just for the prisoners and that's about as far as it goes. i really don't think you're going to see a huge change of heart on the part of a dictator. it would be wonderful but i think it's highly unlikely. thinging the iran nuclear i don't know why the president is siding with the rest of the world saying you can't trust america to keep a deal. this wasn't a treaty approved by the full government. this was a presidential action. let's hear from charles in yonkers, new york. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. my comment is about when trump was running for office he said that senator mccain was captured prisoner. he was not a hero. himselfhe is parading in front of these three guys

that were captured prisoners. these trying to take credit for it. it's like the usa soap opera. and me being a disabled american veterans i feel embarrassed to say that that is my president. beth on the republican line, from north carolina. caller: yes. i just want to say something in reference to senator mccain. senator mccain dropped bombs on civilians and children and yet he turns around and accuses this woman that is nominated for the head of the cia of torture, a legend you know immoral acts. it doesn't get any more immoral he was asked to drop those guns. where was his morality then? host: aside from that, the release of the prisoners?

the release of the prisoners, it's called the art of the deal. atald trump is a master dealmaking. heelought that dictator to after all of his insults rolled back and forth. that guy is now waking up and realizing due to china, china has their foot on his neck. bluffime to stop all the and gruff and get with the program here. host: ok. that's beth in north carolina. ge references gina haspel -- na haskell. john mccain sent out a tweet addressing his concerns about her ability in the job, saying i believe she is a patriot who loves our country and has

devoted her professional life with service and defense. her role in overseeing the use of torture is disturbing. it was before the senate intelligence committee. you can see it on c-span. here is some for response. leadership cia will not restart a detention and interrogation program. cia has learned some tough lessons from that experience. we were asked to tackle a mission that fell outside our expertise. for me there is no better example of implementing lessons learned than what the agency took away from that program. clear as the it is majority report concluded that cia was not prepared to conduct a detention and interrogation program.

today the u.s. government has a clear legal and policy framework that governs detentions and interrogations. provideslly the law that no individual in u.s. custody may be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach that is not authorized by and listed in the army field manual. i fully support the detainee treatment required by law and just as importantly, i will keep cia focused on our collection and analysis mission that can best leverage the expertise we have at the agency. we learned important lessons following 9/11. as both a career intelligence officer and american citizen, i am a strong believer in the importance of oversight. simply put, experience has taught us that cia cannot be

effective without the people's trust and we cannot hope to earn that trust without the accountability that comes with congressional oversight. host: janice hahn washington, d.c., independent line. caller: i'm calling because of the c-span staff awareness of the subliminal message to -- messaging in the 20005 area code ueli maurer airing this show. -- while you are airing this show. i was just wondering if you have that awareness. host: eddy in baltimore, maryland. democrat line. go ahead. i want to make a compliment but it's always great when prisoners come home from a foreign prison. as for the president of the united states who has tore down our country, i don't think he gets that much credit because it looks like china and south korea are the gentleman who are quiet

and yet they're are the ones who made this happen. tomp takes the opportunity take credit for everything as he destroys our institutions. it is good that they came home but as far as donald trump -- he is a mess. it is as close as the american nazisment has got to no in this country. host: one of the candidates for governor in the race for maryland passing away. attack,of a heart saying that the executive democratic candidate for government and a fixture in local politics for nearly a quarter of a century died thursday morning of cardiac arrest. police issued a statement saying, he had been transported by ambulance this morning. he was declared dead of cardiac arrest. he was at his home in owensboro,

maryland, when he woke at 2:00 and complained of feeling ill. he was transported by the medics to st. joseph's where doctors pronounced i him dead. is survived aide, by wife, jill and two. sons . his running mate was shocked to learn of the news. response,ted a a saying that he was an energetic public servant. republican line. this is joe. caller: c-span, thank you for taking my call. hostage release and cia nomination. i thank god everyday for president trump. i think he will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. he is a college things others have only dreamed of.

as far as hostages -- it has served a couple good purposes. number one. should things go sour with the negotiations and we have to walk to go to war have -- i hope we don't -- they cannot use our people as hostages and human shields. getting our people out was a good tactical, military maneuver. host: i apologize for cutting you off. i know you wanted to make a comment. because we have a shortened show this morning, the house is in a 9:00. we have legislators joining us for conversation this morning. the chairman of the house foreign relations subcommittee on asia. his reaction to the hostage release and the larger issue, when it comes to relations. later on, vice chair of the house progressive caucus, here

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this is a deposit. we will see where it leads. this will be calculated at the end of negotiations. host: when it comes to negotiations -- what would you like the united states to walk away with? guest: the ultimate goal is to walk away with a denuclearized korean peninsula on our terms. kim jong-un's is to get us to leave. that will not be a starter. we want complete denuclearization. moving forward, step-by-step. host: if that is the expectation from north korea, should what degree should we offer -- what should we offer? guest: i don't think we need to offer anything right now. we are in a situation -- a military base there. we need to keep moving forward. we will not release sanctions. we will not pull troops out.

the military games, exercises with south korea will continue. i don't want to get too far out in front because negations are going on. we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. it is a great first step -- pompeo going over there. president trump having the strong rhetoric -- that has forced the hand of kim jong-un. he sees the writing on the wall. host: using with the release but also with the leaders of north and south korea talking, are those indications that there is a change of mind when it comes to kim jong-un? when it comes to nuclear weapons? ronald reagan "trust but verify." president moon of south korea by inviting north korea to the olympic games -- it was a great icebreaker. i commend that. a great first step. let's move forward. the united states will

facilitate an agreement between north and south korea that we can have a de-escalated and denuclearized korean peninsula. host: our guest with us until after 8:00, if you want to ask questions about north korea and other foreign policy. (202)-748-8000 for democrats, (202)-748-8001 for republicans, (202)-748-8002 for independents. from the north korea summit -- what was your response about the president's decision to pull out of the iran nuclear deal? guest: we should never have been in that deal. it was not a treaty. presidenteal between obama, john kerry and the iranian regime. it was poorly written. we got nothing out of that. they said iran was going to stop working toward a nuclear bomb. we have heard that for the last 35 years. john bolton outlines that well,

in "surrender is not an option. they played a cap and mouse game. that deal should not have been brokered. look at this deal with north korea. they have already received three prisoners back. iran still has american hostages. one of them, mr. levinson, is the longest held hostage in our history. we did not get anything back. iran got everything they wanted. host: members of the administration -- some said they were holding up there and of the deal -- their end of the deal. why do you support pulling out? guest: we should never have been in. inspections were supposed to be anytime, anyplace, anywhere. that is not the case. you have to give 24 hours notice to the iranians. plus, the military complexes were off-limits. they hadran --

detonated a nuclear trigger device in 2006 at the military site and that was never inspected. iran was able to bring soil samples -- here is the soil from that area -- we did not have verification. those were things that should have been negotiated in the beginning. the icbm development they were doing -- after the agreement was agreed to, they launched medium-range ballistic missiles, in violation of un security council resolution. those were supposed to be in good faith. iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world. are administration, president obama -- gave back over $100 billion in cash, which is illegal -- it was terrible. this is a strong step forward. is the right way to go. the world community will see. cash formally is iran's.

guest: we can argue that. that was from an arms deal negotiated before the shah was deposed. we paid it back with interest. you have a terrorist state, we are paying interest payments on the money we are holding. i would have renegotiated. that was a terrible deal. host: one of the other elements thehe deal, the director of national nuclear crisis group, he says in an op-ed, he makes the argument that several states have made clear that if iran was able to build nuclear weapons, saudi arabia told his country would. you have concern about other nuclear uprisings? guest: i was worried with the deal in place. saudi arabia was talking about that before. iran, with their clandestine operations -- we do not know

they were not developing it. we could only go to places they knew they might be. those clandestine places -- we know they are out there. the caves. it was a deal that was struck with ill intentions on the iranian side -- they will continue to do what they've been doing for 35 years. is hard to change the tiger's stripes. this is a good day. a good day of negotiations. that will turn out well with this president. host: ted yoho, a guess, foreign affairs, republican of florida. our first call from virginia, lucy on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. how are you? guest: i am great. caller: i'm very pleased and optimistic about the potential for changes in foreign policy.

i think what we are forgetting -- for any kind of deal to work you north korea, or iran, have to superimpose the concept of a resolution. by that, a change of heart. i'm sure the only way any kind of deal will work, will be if these rogue nations, these horrible, maligned nations that just want to create havoc and blackmail the civilized world with their tantrums -- i'm sure the only way any kind of a deal will work is if they have a change of heart, and maybe have decided to maybe, wake up and become like, a behaved nation. that would be such an excellent way to be. guest: let me respond. i think you're right.

we were talking about north korea before. the actions we do will be predicated by what kim jong-un does. sanctions in place, the u.n. came out unanimously with 13 states saying they will apply sanctions. the foreign affairs committee, the full committee in our committee on asia-pacific, we wrote letters to the treasury to major banks and entities had sanctions. it is sanctions that brought both iran and north korea to the table. a mistake that the obama administration did, they ease sanctions immediately. that is a mistake we cannot afford. we have wrote nations that have -- rogue nations that have battered terrible weapons. north korea had a stockpile, 5000 tons of chemical warfare gas along with a nuclear arsenal. we do not know what stage of development -- we know they have

icbms. they cannot hold the world hostage with these. that is why policies of the past administration of strategic patients did not work, and that is what got us into this. north korea -- three presidents have negotiated with north korea. every time they backed off sanctions. i don't think, you will see him back off sanctions until a deal is done. he is willing to walk away from the deal. north korea has more to gain from this then we do. let's hope that kim jong-un chooses wisely down the negotiation trail. host: what do you think will be the end result of new sanctions on iran? guest: we could be by ourselves initially. i think the rest of the world will see where iran is going. when they are still sponsoring terrorism around the world, it is an indication of intent. llah, they-- hezbo

have brought them up to the 21st century. they have grown tremendously with infusion of cash from the obama administration. it is clear what iran will do. they are involved in yemen, providing the rebels with armament, shooting at our navy. even john kerry -- when informed in foreign affairs -- said we cannot do anything about their terrorist activity. this is all about stopping nuclear proliferation. give me a break. you have just given $100 billion in cash and you think they will play nice? it is like giving a shark more teeth than expecting it not to bite. host: democrats line. caller: this sounds like weapons of mass destruction that were not there. you all are trying to sell the american people -- iran is not

attacked us. -- has not attacked us. you are saying everyone else's line except the u.s. country says different than you and we are selling that same line. weapons -- as far as north korea goes -- president trump will take a credit as the best president ever, whatever. many presidents have gotten back prisoners of war. many. this is nothing unusual. you have to give credit to china, south korea. those of the ones making the pathway. trump is taking the credit. guest: i appreciate your comments, dorothy. host: go ahead. guest: absolutely. south korea has done a tremendous job. china is doing a better job then they have in the past. china is only doing that because of u.n. resolution unanimous, 13

nations agreed to sanctions on china. china was not enforcing until the united states put pressure. china supplied 90% of trade with north korea. it has dropped precipitously. there is still evidence coal is being transported from north korea to china. these are pressures the united states of america, with a president who does not have a policy of strategic patients like obama, talking about iran, i disagree. military either killed or wounded came from ied's. by iraniantured technology or iranian citizens. that is a fact. that is what has happened. they are still doing those things. they are in syria, south america. they are bad players. look at their people in their own country. they have tried to rise up and

they have squashed them down every time. until they come into the world -- want to act like citizens i don't want to say civilized but until they start acting in good faith -- we need to keep the pressure on them. if we did not a lot of this deal, iran would get a nuclear weapon. host: from michigan, democrats line, bob. caller: i'm troubled by your comments, congressman. the united states is not isolated, when it comes to the iran deal. syria, communist countries like china -- all our allies in on this deal. here you are proud of the fact that we walked away. the nuclear spread, the aim, it should have been. you don't believe in negotiations -- you believe in declarations. guest: that is not true. caller: you want to tell north

korea what to do and iran what to do. you do not want to negotiate. you want to declare. guest: i disagree with you. north korea, keep in mind what they have done. north korea, kim jong-un, killed over 144 people of his own party,'s own military. killed his uncle,'s half-brother killed with sarin gas. they are not good players. iran -- i do not want to dictate what they do but when you go into an agreement not a treaty, as president obama and john kerry pushed for. john kerry said, no deal is better than a bad deal. this was a bad deal. i agree with john kerry. it was a bad deal. that should have been something we walked away with. iran has had heavywater, the enrichment of uranium, they have gone over the limit twice. they're getting ready to go over

again. if iran is a good player -- why they producing heavy water? president eisenhower said, a peaceful nuclear program would be out in the open. the only reason to have a clandestine, overt nuclear program is for weapons. the facts are out there. i appreciate your comment. host: u.k. foreign secretary boris johnson was quoted "britain has no intention of walking away. we will cooperate with parties to ensure that while iran restricts its program, is people will benefit from sanctions relief." what do you think with our decision, how does that leave us in relations with other countries? guest: sometimes you have to swim away from the rest of the fish in the stream. the u.k. and other countries can do is they choose. leadership is making a decision. what is best for our country.

president trump has been very resolute. we will see how this plays out. i think what you will see -- other nations will find out this is the right way to go. supplyingis still terrorist, the ability for terrorists to do what they do around the world -- that speaks loud. why would you want to negotiate with the country who is doing that until they agree they will not do it? they did not release our hostages, our citizens. they have no intent to play their way. host: there is an argument, if kim jong-un looks at the iran deal, why should he continue with us? guest: this president is very straightforward with comments, actions. the previous president -- they wanted to strike a deal so bad, any kind of deal so they could walk away, maybe try to justify the nobel peace prize. anyways.at time,

it is time to walk away. it is better to walk away from a bad deal sooner than later. host: these calls for president trump to get a nobel prize? guest: we will see how that works out. host: would you support that? guest: i did. host: how so? guest: luke master's letter. host: what about reaction from the call? guest: president moon said that too. let that work out. we are showing support. think how important this is. if we are able to bring this negotiation, diplomatically to an end on the korean peninsula -- think what that means for the 21st century moving forward. if we can do it there, we can do it with any country. the idea is to get into a place where we cannot do any wars

again. it is not a bad goal. host: ted yoho, republican of florida. j in indiana. caller: hello. thank you so much for c-span. i have a question for representative yoho, concerning return of hostages. i may have missed the answer but i would like to hear. can you guarantee absolutely that no money changed hands? --arms were given to iran i'm sorry, north korea? that no deal was made? nothing brokered to get the hostages back? guest: i cannot guarantee that. absolutely not. we have to watch how this turns out. i don't know what deals were struck. knowing this president and this administration, is very direct.

he is looking for signs we are moving in the right direction. this is a sign. i will not think north korea -- thank north korea for doing what they did but this is a sign we are moving in the right direction. nations have signed on for unanimous agreement for sanctions. has ane in the world benefit from this negotiation. let's take it one day at a time and see where this goes with the goal of denuclearization of the korean peninsula, bringing that end so theyian can look to reunification on the peninsula. host: republican line. caller: let me make a few statements and let me finish. let's start with iran and korea. jimmy carter, the shah. was in power, they

had radios. he came to the united states to get help for medical conditions. korea $8ton gave north billion and gave a speech -- this can be wonderful, they will have farms, electricity. they used it for nuclear power. obama. making a deal with iran? you mean to tell me people think that iran is not doing something right now? this congressional hearing yesterday -- he attacked to this woman -- they were sticking up for the terrorist, killing americans and blaming this woman because she had no morals. guest: i think you brought up great points about the previous administration. president carter going back to the 1970's when the shah came over. irans have gotten worse in during the course of years.

they have become more a terrorist state. they are held in on developing a nuclear weapon. 2006, they detonated a trigger device at their military site. they have paved over it. we know their intent. they have icbms. you don't use that for fireworks. it is to deliver a tactical armament, for maximum damage, which would be a nuclear weapon. they are on that path. look at their behavior. their behavior dictates what their future aspirations are. rebels,pplying houthi shooting at our navy vessels. and captured navy seamen held them hostage. themit john kerry thanks for their generosity and returning them. it is a bad play altogether. north korea -- president clinton

in the 1990's, the second george bush in the 2000s. president obama -- all failed policies on north korea. these are things this president is different. we can agree. he is very sick think the direct -- he is very direct with his line. we seen that in syria and you are seeing that in north korea. what you will see in iran, it will work out for the best. host: you brought up the current deputy director, gina haspel. do you have any thoughts on her becoming the head of the cia? guest: keep the politics out of it. at the time she was doing what she was doing, the tactics they were using were legal. forward with the hearing confirmation, let them go forward. i think she will do a good job. host: she was asked about

interrogation techniques. do you see that as a way of looking at that? as immoral? guest: that is a trap people put in. someone has a bomb and they know where it is and your kids were involved, what would you do to get your kids out of there safely? one of those things -- torture -- a good thing or bad thing? i don't want to be in that situation. i hope our foreign policies are so straightforward that we don't have to worry about that. as long as people are on the planet, we have to deal with some form of that. juan is in georgia, democrats line. caller: how are you? guest: how are you? caller: tell me what your plan b is for iran? when you cannot get china or russia to go along with it? the second question. agreement, north

korea, or will it be a treaty? if agreement, can the next president walk away from it? thank you. guest: plan b will be based on how iran responds. what we do next is going to be dependent on what iran does. we are not going to work with nations that are the largest state sponsors of terrorists that are already supplying these weapons we talked about. when they start changing their behavior, we can go along with a ron -- with iran. other nations will either decide to be with the united states of america and do business with us, or they are going to do business with iran. as far as the agreement, that agreement was between one president to a regime that the

congress come over 400 members of both parties, voted not to approve this deal. there was an amendment we got to vote on that said we do not support this. the president moved forward with that come u -- with that. it was a bad deal. the people's house did not like this deal. it speaks loudly that this was a very bad deal in the beginning. host: silver spring, maryland on the independent line. caller: thank you. i just wanted to get your comments on whether you think there is any validity to this. i think president trump gets a lot of credit for the north korean negotiations, but i am wondering if it is not for the same reasons everyone is talking about. i know that china and the united states have conflicting pres sts, and u.s. idents in south korea have had strong -- and south korea have

had strong alliances for a long time. the agreement that we had with south korea under president trump was called into question, and with all the tweets threatening north korea, south korea would be most directly endanger. i am wondering if south korea has really got that keeping their own alliances with china and north korea is in their best interest rather than realigning with the united states. host: thanks. guest: i appreciate that. south korea is the most at risk here. the border right there is the most heavily guarded, patrolled border in the world. yeah, they are very concerned about how we go about this. they don't want any escalation of war, nor do we. i don't think anyone else in the rest of the world does. we want a peaceful settlement to this. , ifident trump's rhetoric you go back to when he was talking about fire and fury, think about what kim jong-un was

doing before that. he was showing videos of the united states of america being hit. yet announced that he's got missiles that can hit anywhere in the united states with nuclear weapons. he threatened guam with nuclear weapons. so we are at this point today because of kim jong-un's rhetoric. that is why the sanctions were put on not just by us, by over 13 countries, and china is a big component of this by being able to help us put the pressure on north korea to get them to a point where they are willing to come -- where they are willing to come to the table. where we go will be dependent on what kim jong-un does and what he is willing to do. let's just hope this works out manner, that we can get denuclearization and look back and say this was a good way to deescalate a very bad situation that has gone on for over 50 years. appreciate your call. serves the third

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same vehicle he used to direct $130,000 to the adult film actress known as stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with president trump in 2006. los angeles, california. independent line. your first up on the open phones. go ahead. caller: thank you, and good morning. i would like to go back to the topic of these international affairs, as was expounded upon by the congressperson. 's worldview -- his worldview and what i consider to be a

arrogantmerican centric type of worldview that puts us in the "lord and master" howtion of determining other nations relate or how they conduct themselves in the world. for example, and kept talking yemen, and how our ally saudi arabia. what saudi arabia is doing over there in yemen goes without mention in a negative way by this congressperson, right? you have an open-air prison over in israel, right? which is rarely spoken of. not even spoken of by this administration and their allies. , where is our

intelligence coming from as it relates to things in the so-called american interest? host: ok. let's go to john in maryland. republican line. caller: good morning. i'm sorry, i just caught the tail end of your previous interview. -- and ito mention don't know if it was discussed during the interview -- iran never signed the nuclear deal. it was a kind of political agreement. it was not a treaty. iran never signed it. they didn't because it would byigate the country to abide all of the terms of the agreement. i think trump did the right thing. we need an agreement that really is an agreement and a treaty, and i think he's disrupting things to pave the way for a legitimate treaty to occur.

host: albert is from chicago, illinois. democrat line. caller: good morning, everybody. in 2011, president obama negotiated a nuclear reduction -- arms reduction treaty with russia. he brought that treaty before congress, and it was ratified. the same thing cannot be done for this iran deal because it was never negotiated as a treaty by the seven nations that were involved in it. he could not have brought it to the congress is a treaty because it was not negotiated as one. but here's the thing. you're all this criticism from the right, from people like ted yoho, people like donald trump talking about how this bill should have been a treaty. should have been a treaty. to hear those same voices cry as loud as they did over that iran deal about it not being a treaty demand the same thing under donald trump when he is negotiating with north korea, that he brings whatever deal he

negotiations over there -- whatever deal he negotiates over there back here is a treaty. host: the hill highlights an anniversary concerning former fbi director james comey, that he was missing his former colleagues on wednesday, the first anniversary of his controversial firing by the president. "thank you for your commitment to truth and the good you do for this country." special counsel robert mueller currently conducting a wide-ranging inve stigation and the russian interference in the presidential campaign, including whether trump obstructed justice by firing comey, who was previously in charge of the probe. here's what he had to say. >> president trump has failed not only to stand up for law

enforcement agencies, he's actually hindered actively and consistently their vital work in protecting our nation. he has undermined their stature and credibility. integrity,cked their all without any basis in fact. said factseagan once are stubborn things. the american people should know the fact. and if they do, they will facts thatthat the this justice department and the fbi, even with their faults, are a paragon of law enforcement. and their faults should not be minimized or dismissed, but they

ought to be addressed not by denouncing or demeaning their hard work. the numbers and statistics i've given some of the examples cited -- i've given, some of the examples i've cited, they don't mean my defense. their actions and their work speak louder than anyone's words. i hope they will continue that fact-finding and serviced and undisturbed by byse rash -- undeterred these rash attack from the president. i personally thank them for the service and sacrifice. that took place on the senate floor yesterday, the house coming in at 9:00 this morning.

when the house comes in, we will go until their proceedings -- go to their proceedings. until then, your chance to contribute on open phones. the phone lines for democrats, republicans, and independents. from massachusetts in springfield, david is next. independent line. caller: yes, ho. i just want to quickly talk about the iran nuclear deal. -- yes, hi. i just want to talk about the iran nuclear deal. i think that there always has to be an immediate solution to nuclear threat, even if you country appears to be reducing it. if we were going to pull out, we needed also an immediate settlement deal. i think that is just a bad part on the ministrations hands. thank you -- on the

administration's hands. thank you. host: this is martha. hi. caller: i am from florida. i was listening to the show earlier with the north korean. my question is, has anybody checked into the validity of the thatan nuclear scientists left north korea just recently? i believe that is because the iranian deal was coming up for trump to reauthorize it or not. i am glad he did not, but i believe that is why north korea has also come to the table because these scientists have left and they now have no one there to help them. as for president trump and stormy daniels, i'm sorry. he used his own funds before he was president.

he did not use his taxpayer slush fund to pay these women off. host: a series of primaries taking place this week. other primaries set to come. this all leading up to the november election. politico has a look at a large donation that help house republicans in that effort. they are reporting that casino owner sheldon adelson has cut the congressional leadership fund. paul ryanker flew to las vegas to meet with the billionaire. a roma the meeting was wife, thelman's former minnesota senator who chairs the republican jewish coalition, the overseer of the

ryan's number two political aide. democrats line. michael is next in new york. caller: hi. i want to say something about iran nuclear deal. actually, when i see the iranians shout "death to america " and burn our flag, i don't blame them. [indiscernible] pulling the u.s. out of this deal has nothing to do with the safety and security about the united states. this was done only because of israel, plain and simple. israel has been threatening iran for years now and wants to swing our leaders and conflicts against iran. iranians thatthe shout "death to america."

host: let's go to albert in tampa, florida. republican line. caller: yes. i would like to make a comment about the new secretary. i think we should get jeff miller. he was in charge of the veterans affairs committee for a number of years. he also got to the bottom with the overruns in denver and orlando, and also the got to the bottom of phoenix. i am disappointed in donald trump for not pushing the choice program in this last budget and letting the democrats kill it. the choice program has been able for me to save my foot. the only other option was to cut it off. i was able to go to a florida hospital, and they were able to save it under the choice program. the first time i ended up having to pay $600,000 out of my own pocket to save my foot. i really think mr. trump should

push for jeff miller. support.od bipartisan the house has done a fantastic job of getting v.a. legislation through, only to be killed in the senate. host: ok. that is albert in tampa, florida. melissa quinn writing in "the washington examiner," "the democrats' advantage in november points."o three 47% of registered voters said support the democratic candidate running for congress in the desert, while 44% said they would support the republican. a march poll found democrats had fallen to six point. republicans are within three points of democrats on the generic congressional ballot.

enthusiasm has grown among republican voters. republicans and republican leaning voters are excited to head to the polls, from 36% in march. 50% of democrats said they are either extremely or very extreme enthusiastic."ry next on the democrat line. caller: yes, iran. trump really doesn't want to leave iran. wants to keep a methadone because -- he was to keep a mass killing because it isn't israel, it is him. he doesn't want peace. there's one more thing i want to say. [indiscernible] they are putting people out of nursing homes more and more now. that is what i wanted to say. host: gabrielle from california. you are on. go-ahead. caller: thank you for taking my

call. that thisieve is whole north korea thing is a dog and pony show for trump. however, no disrespect. i am very happy that those men came back. however, i am going to say this. trump actually is sobering up and listening. he is more structured. we need to be behind our president. so do his advisers. i really appreciate you taking this call. i want to say to everyone out there, please stick with the administration. is --

host: got you. are producer craig kaplan saying the house and senate agriculture chairs are set to meet with president trump and the agricultural secretary sonny perdue at the white house after next week's debate on the farm expected. aesident trump is threatening veto of the bill without tighter for requirements on that people receiving food stamps. the stamps would intensify the amongno -- the fight work requirements, the most controversial element of that bill, and start a new debate over spending on federal safety

net programs. caller: i am glad we left the iran deal. the european countries that are for it make billions of dollars in trade, so of course they are for it. for the people who actually suffer from what iran is doing, like israel and saudi arabia, they are the ones who have to pay the price if there is a nuclear armed iran. so of course they are for it. iran given iran -- giving $150 billion like the previous which isation did, used primarily to support terrorist organizations throughout the middle east and the world, that was just a bad deal all the way around for us. i am definitely glad we are out of it. i think that was the best move. host: if you go to our website at www.c-span.org, you can see deputy cia director gina haspel, nominated to be director of the cia, questioned by the senate yesterday. commissioner mark warner

questioned her about whether she would obey president trump's "immoral orders" as a cia director. here's more from that hearing that place yesterday. on a going forward basis, if this president ask you something morally objectionable, even if there is an llc opinion, what will you do? will you carry that out, that option in that order? or not? we are entrusting you was a very different position if you're confirmed. >> senator, my moral compass is a strong. i would not allow the cia to undertake activities that i thought was immoral, even if it was technically legal. i would absolutely not permit it. sen. warner: so you would not follow the order. : now.spel

i've -- no. i believe the cia must take a position in line with american values. you will find more from that hearing when you go to our website at www.c-span.org. brian from stockton, california. democrats line. caller: hi. you hear the president when the prisoners flew east? [indiscernible] sorry, you've got a little bit of feedback. go ahead and finish your thought. wondering if they have been invited to the white house. host: robert in havana, florida. republican line.

go ahead. stink: yeah, all this they are doing about this waterboarding, it is unbelievable. i don't even think i heard of one, maybe two people that's ever died from that. while they are taking american soldiers and dragging them behind vehicles, hanging them from bridges and burning them alive. that is torture. waterboarding wasn't nothing compared to the torture that been done to the americans. host: if you go to the website of inside higher education, there's a story posted as of today that said the education secretary betsy devos plans to overhaul restriction on religious colleges' access to federal student aid.

what that means for particular federal programs is unclear. religious institutions are already among the biggest recipients of federal financial aid. the department said it would appoint a rulemaking panel to negotiate changes to those restrictions. according to documents outlined the agenda, the department itself could amend regulations involving federal grant or participation state run -- or participate in state run programs for higher ed and student aid programs. more on that story on the inside higher education website. from florida on our independent line. caller: hi. .rump has been talking too much

[indiscernible] -- had so much effect on the president-elect. we need to lose them as an ally immediately. trump, after say that enough is enough. folks, right here senators and congressmen and tell them that are unconditional support for israel must cease immediately. we must not let our fate to the fate of israel. host: a schedule -- let's go to st. louis, missouri. democrat line. caller: yes. i think it is horrible that mr. trump is not thinking about the elderly people. to put these people out of the nursing homes is horrible. it is a horrible, deplorable thing. i think this little boy in alabama is doing a wonderful thing. is only four years old, and he is a rethinking of human beings as human beings should be thought of. he goes around and gives sandwiches to people, and you

got a president sitting in the white house who doesn't give a darn about people. all he cares about is his self-centered behind. goodbye. host: "the washington times" reporting out that the house panel setting up 25 bills to combat the nation's of be what crisis -- the nation's opioid crisis. legislation by representatives david mckinley of west virginia doyle at pennsylvania would extend grant funding to emergency rooms, especially in ensure overdose patient gain treatment immediately or a warm hand to

specialists can perform on them. another bill would ensure doctors have access to rds ofting patients' reco drug addiction before prescribing treatment. health apartment to keep record. caller: i have been working for the government off and on since 1973. exact.r 1, 1973, to be i have certain positions that i cannot reveal over the years. one thing that has struck me --ut trump, he has [indiscernible]

because -- because of the fact that he once a back channel open to putin. host: will have to leave it there. the house is coming in at 9:00, and we have one more guest joining us next. ,hat is representative jayapal here to talk about the congressional caucus and the midterm election. that is coming up on "washington journal." announcer: monday on "landmark

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host: this is representative pramila jayapal, a democrat who serves washington and a member of the judiciary subcommittee on immigration and border security. good morning. first of all, your thoughts on the release of those north , andn detainees particularly what it means not only for their release, but larger issues at play when it comes to relations with north korea. rep. jayapal: it is an interesting time. president trump is not the first president to get detainees released. obviously it is wonderful news for those individuals, for those families, for our overall relationship. the question is, how does this summit?he how is it being leveraged for any summit that might happen between the president and kim jong-un? we will have to wait and see that this is not somehow a tit-for-tat summit? how is it being leveraged for any summit that might happen between the president and kim jong-un relationship that diminishes our leverage in future negotiations. host: what does diminishing look like to you? rep. jayapal: it could be any

number of things. kim jong-un is a very smart man. i don't think he does very much that is terrible in so many ways, but he doesn't do something unless he thinks he is going to get something back. these are the big things that are on the plate for the united states. we can't get diverted from that in any way. we can't think that he's a good guy just for releasing these three detainees and somehow have him come out ahead on this deal. host: on other issues, there's a "tory in "the washington times talking about how the republicans and their interest in launching a petition comes to a vote on so-called dreamers. could you set this up and tell us what is happening? rep. jayapal: president obama about daca, which allowed

800,000 dreamers to have legal status, be them to stay here, and work. there was no permanent solution for a path to citizenship. it was at administrative action because congress had not yet taken action. when president trump came in, he rescinded that program. through the lives of these a thousand trimmers into chaos. there are country about 1.8 million dreamers, not all of whom who have applied for the program. is a significant issue. about 95% of the country agrees. -- agrees instrict red and blue distance across the country that these young people should be able to stay that came to the country when they were very young, brought by their parents. often they have not been to another country. they don't speak the languages of any other country. they are as american as you and i are. ,o president trump said

congress, you need to do something to fix this. it was a cruel move because it threw everything into limbo. have that, republicans refused to pass any sort of permanent solution even that we have a bipartisan agreement that we should. there have been numerous bipartisan proposals that have been taken to the president. he has every time rejected them, even though he said the beginning just bring me a bipartisan proposal. i will sign it. that has not happened. there are republicans who care deeply about this issue and are worried about their seats and need to do something on this. has been a constant thing for the last year. philo, carlos cabrillo has filed a discharge petition. i think there are 17 republicans so far who have signed it. once they get eight more and if signs it -- none have as of yet -- then we will have 2018 signatures.

i had no idea what that was before i came to congress. it sets up a process where four bills could be brought to the floor at the same time around immigration and dreamers specifically. arei've are -- two bipartisan, bicameral proposals. bill that isher not written yet that would be speaker ryan's offering to the pile. then there is a good let bill bill -- eight goodlatte that is extremely restrictive, not bipartisan. any one of those that garners 218 signatures would pass. that is queen of the hill. in a way, that its capture the .lag witho

we've already signed the discharge petition for the aguilar bill. we've but forward -- we've put forward numerous bipartisan bills. it is really a shame that speaker ryan had refused to bring anything to the floor. this is forcing his hand. republicans are forcing the speaker's hand. host: i will introduce callers if they want to ask about the severed on immigration, particularly -- want to ask this effort on immigration, particularly dreamers. you should know that our capital 'soducer saying there 13,000 signing this petition. if it does get to the floor, what does it mean for those -- 13 house members

signing this petition. if it does get to the floor, what does it mean for those dreamers? all of that: if happens, what would a million dreamers would be particularly the country, able to contribute to the economy. the studies are off the charts about the economic benefits of dreamers in this economy. these are great young people who have a lot to contribute. they have been working. they have been treating billions of dollars -- been contributing billions of dollars. we need to make sure they have a path to stay here and a path to citizenship, not make them a political football that just keeps getting tossed back and forth. actually give them some stability. is theompassionate, it american way, and it is good for our economy. host: could that number grow, or does it stay strictly at 120 million? rep. jayapal: there are

restrictions in terms of how old you have to be, various things that would be preventing it from growing. there's usually a date in the legislation, depending on what we pass, that says before this date. so no, that is the number. host: is the case that he would make to allow triggers tuesday in the country just purely economics, or is there other reasons they should stay?? no, immigration has never been about immigration policy. it is about who we are as a country and what we are willing to stand for. this country was built by immigrants willing and unwilling. i am actually a first immigration immigrant. i came here when i was 16 years old by myself. it took me 17 years to become a u.s. citizen. for these dreamers, there is absolutely a moral case. there's an epidemic case that an economic case. these are young people who

literally in some cases found out they didn't have documented status here when they applied to go on a field trip or when they toided they needed to go college and produce something, or when they needed a drivers license to have certain documents. a lot of people had no idea that they didn't have documented status. they really are as american as you and i. to me it is a moral issue. to make it ants economic issue, i can certainly go there because it certainly is argument, but this isn't something we have to debate too hard with the american people. there are not too many people, according to the polls, that think triggers should not be citizens. host: steve is on with our guest , the first by chair of the congressional progressive caucus. caller: good morning. representative, i have a concern thing now whole daca

being quenched. withill you deal continuing to go even the docket is closed? rep. jayapal: i don't the guy understood your question, steve. you said how will be continue to go? eah, because docket is closed and you're still going. host: the mean that the daca program is currently suspended, and there's efforts to revive that? caller: yeah. rep. jayapal: will actually come up because it has been challenged in the courts, the resending of the daca program has been challenged in the courts. resentedident trump the program, a number of groups and states challenged that decision the court's. -- right now, the

daca program is in effect. andas then taken to court, the courts actually did rule that it needed to stay open. at that point, the trump administration appealed that ruling. it still isn't open for new applicants, but it is open for renewals of those who are he had ao status -- had dac status. host: steve in reno on the republican line. go ahead. caller: i just wanted to know if the congress woman herself as a u.s. citizen. rep. jayapal: yes, absolutely. you have to be a u.s. citizen to be in congress. i am a proud u.s. citizen. i became a citizen in 2000. i've lived in this country for since i was 16 years old.

i will not tell you my age, but i can promise you is a very long time. host: you were born in india. rep. jayapal: exactly. came to the united states when i was 16 by myself. was on a whole host of visas. i came here on a student visa. married to aars, u.s. citizen, had a u.s. citizen child, and have been here. i have not been for the situation some of these kids have been through because everything i did was through the visa system, which is very broken. fix,e talking about a daca but we need a whole fix of comprehensive immigration reform in general. most of our immigration laws, and a lot of folks watching may not know this, have not been adjusted for decades. it keeps getting tossed back and forth because it is complicated. there are many pieces to keep up immigration.

legalization of undocumented immigrants in this country, most of whom are picking the food that we eat, claiming the hotel rooms that people might stay and, doing a lot of work in plants across the united states. but we haven't had any kind of a system that matches our economic needs for labor to our immigration needs. host: from new jersey, mike is next. caller: good morning. just wanted to ask the representative if she is part of the theory that the end justifies the means. what does she think also of the lifeboat theory? this nation is the lifeboat. if you have 40 people on the lifeboat and you see someone swimming to you, if you pick that person up the boat will

sink. what are her ideas? thank you. rep. jayapal: thank you so much for the question. my ideas are that we have a functioning immigration system that allows for us to know who is coming into the country, meet the economic needs of our country, and allows for us to -- ourarmorial values moral values and human values as the united states america. it has always been a begin for people around the country. partve refugees and we are of an international community -- i would argue that everyone's best interests are served when we stop making immigration a political issue and just recognize that immigration has always served our country. it always will. what we need is a system, a set of updated laws that actually

responded to the needs of all of our country and albert community. -- and all of our community. host: what is the typical length of becoming an american citizen, and how can that be streamlined? rep. jayapal: it all has to do with how many people we allow and how quickly those visas get processed. every visa category has a different sort of qualification, if you will. that it is easy just comes from people who haven't been through it. when people say to undocumented immigrants, well, get to the back of the line, they don't know about the fact that the legal immigration system is completely broken. a give you an example. if you are filipino and you apply for your adult child to come to the country, meaning perhaps you applied when they were a kid and then turned under 18, but then the agent out they go to a different category.

22 years for your adult child to come to the united states, even if you are a legal, permanent resident. this is the problem. agricultural visas and republican distance across the country, farmers i worked with over the years who are republican have been some of my me, west allies and tell need these workers. we need skilled agricultural workers, but they only get a very small number of visas. they simply don't have the ability to bring folks to be able to do that work. most of the undocumented population has been living here for 10, 15 years. feasible to say we are going to deport everybody, and in fact i've asked director mulvaney from the budget office, the congressional budget office as well, what would be the effects of a richest -- of a restrictive immigration policy.

it would destroy our economy, industries across the countrya in agriculture, fruit and food. all of these industries would collapse, and it would be a huge moral blow to families because we have so many mixed status families now. we have people who are friends with those folks, so we need a real solution. it is unfortunate this president and republicans have continued to demonize immigrants and lead chance where the president will say the word latino and people will do. -- will boo. that is deeply troubling to me as a country because we all came from somewhere. the president's wife came from somewhere. system to make sure the functions so people can get in and it is legal and we know who year. our guest is a member of the judiciary subcommittee. caller: i used to be a progressive because the

progressives seems to care about the environment, but they don't care about the working stiff. you are talking about the farmers in bed with the progressives because they need more pickers. my cousins in new jersey used to pick apples. i have a next girlfriend that used to pick cotton in arkansas. americans will do the job, but the farmers don't want them to work. they don't care about conditions. they want them to work cheap. that is why i am not a progressive anymore and i can't support the democratic party because all they care about is getting the legal alien that makes them citizens so they will vote for democrats. host: ok, thanks. rep. jayapal: thank you so much for your call. let me just say, i actually agree with you that we need to do far more for working people across this country.

wordually think of the progressive, even know i am a proud progressive, really we should call the things we are proposing -- and i just came to congress for my first term. i have been an activist my life, fighting for working people, will waiting to raise the minimum wage, making sure we have good unions that have really build our middle-class here in this country. i am fully with you, and i think are proposing is progressive democrats are actually centrist ideas. they speak to the center of the country. they speak to the working person. i would say our working heroes who are actually powering our industries and economy across the country, we have not been enough for you. minimumto raise the wage, invest in infrastructure and jobs, and make sure that the enough thatgh

americans will do the job and create a level playing field so every person, where there -- orther you are a citizen american-born, you're playing on the same field. when he to invest in higher education. we have $1.4 trillion of student loan debt. i believe that you and i want the same things. we want to be able to have a job that pays a decent wage, put food on the table, put a roof over our heads, ultimately retire with dignity. that is what i am working for. from new york on the republican line, dan is next. caller: i am a refugee. it took me 15 years to be as a child. my father worked with the united states during world war ii to be accepted in this country.

we were going to prove that we have something to offer. i know a lot of people here illegally in one way or another got themselves. but to just open the gate, like to all of these people from central america coming here, it is a question of canadians anything in there and country? can we help -- of can we help them do anything in their country? they are people who offer no skills. after a wild, we are not going to need chicken pickers anymore or chicken cluckers -- chicken pluckers anymore. we are going to need people with skill because automation is changing everything. you are not saying anything real. rep. jayapal: thanks. -- believe me, i have plenty concrete and real

about how we make sure that we have a system that works so that we can determine who comes in and out. is not like we are opening the borders. nobody is suggesting that. circular flow migration in the 1980's, when we had laws about who could come in but it was much easier to come in and go out and we could keep track of people, allowed people to come in for seasonal work and then go home. the minute we started building border walls and putting all kinds of restrictions on who not updating the immigration system, that is when we started to have the problems people coming in and not leaving. i also believe we should be investing in diplomacy and development in helping other countries to achieve economic cutting thenot state department by 1/3, cutting development assistance by 1/3.

that is not the right way to go because you are right, we do have to care about the rest of the world. just a few more minutes with our guests. our independent line from seattle, washington. go right ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. s. pramila. very good to talk to you. the remember me? -- do you remember the? i have been trying to reach you. host: just go ahead with your question or comment. let's go to joe in new york on the democrats line. caller: hello there. i am 64-year-old, so i have been around and seen the country change to what it looks like today.

i know president johnson change the laws will now -- to allow more immigrants from third world nations into the country. i am worried this country is going to look like india with a billion people, and i think it is wrong. these countries have to start helping themselves. we can't take them from these relax theiries that countries to have more people. happen if we have half a billion people from india in this country? how long do you think it will take? host: will have to stop you there. rep. jayapal: nobody is talking about taking half billion people. we are just using this immigration issue, president trump and republicans are putting fear into regular folk'' minds like you because nobody is talking about that. what we are talking about is an economy that actually requires labor. if you look at the united states commit part of the reason our economics are strong is because we have a growing labor force,

unlike japan, that has zero immigration, unlike a number of other countries that don't allow immigrants in and are now suffering and having to think about how they change that policy. all we are talking about is less remind ourselves that we have heart, that the united states was built by immigrants, that we have a statue of liberty, and look at our laws and actually try to revise our laws instead of using immigrants as political footballs. we have not revised our laws substantially on immigration for decades. if people understood how many visas we have for different work categories, it would change everything. but if i start to talk about that, people would glaze out and not listen because it is very boring. but the reality is we have an that has notystem been adapted to our needs and our families. if we could put that into place, all of the people who are worried about too many into this coming country would be pleasantly

surprised because he would actually see that we have a rhyme and a reason and a system to allow people in and allow ourselves to still have values and be leaders in the world. one thing that troubles me -- and i know we have to wrap up here -- is that the united states has always played a critical global leadership role. we are come under this president, becoming isolationist. we are refusing to keep up with the commitments we've made around the iran deal, the paris accord. europe is now saying to us, you know what? we can't depend on the united states anymore. china and russia are saying this is great. this is an opportunity for us to come in and be the world superpower. we cannot go it alone. this is a global world, and we have to be at the forefront of creating that global coalition that is going to take us into the future. the firstguest is vice chair of the congressional progressive caucus and the

democratic serves the state of washington, member of the judiciary subcommittee on immigration and border security. thank you so much for your time today. rep. jayapal: thank you. great to be here. host: the house of representatives is just about to come in today. you can watch that on c-span. if you missed the hearing with gina haspel, you can view it on www.c-span.org. we now go to the house. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] merciful god of the universe, we give you thanks for giving us another day. send your spirit upon the members of this people's house and liken their hearts, give them the light and strength to know your will and make it their own. guide them by your wisdom and support them with your power. for you desire justice for all and we ask you to enable them to uphold the rights of all. may they not be misled by