contributor to the american prospect discusses the decline of local news coverage. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter as well. "washington journal" ♪ morning.d it is saturday, may 19, 2018. this morning, the nation and tightknit community of santa fe, texas are reeling after a shooting at the high school left people dead -- 10 people dead and others wounded. the shooter is identified as a 17-year-old student from santa fe high school and is in custody. this is the 16th school shooting so far in 2018, and the deadliest since the shooting at the parkland, florida high the biggest sparked

debate over gun rights and gun control in history. we are getting your reaction to yesterday's school shooting. if you are a student or parent, call (202) 748-8000. if you are a teacher, call (202) 748-8001. all others can call (202) 748-8002. you can also reach us on social media, on twitter and facebook. shooting is on the front page of most of today's daily papers, including "the washington post," which reports a 17-year-old student armed with a shotgun and pistol went on a rampage at his school outside houston, killing 10 people, mostly students, the for surrendering to officers. 10 others were wounded including a school resource officer. this was the latest scene of

carnage and what has become a national epidemic of mass shootings. or the second time in the victims were children and their teachers. it happened during first period. let's take a look at some of what president trump said. >> unfortunately, i have to our sadnessressing and heart break over the deadly shooting at santa fe high school in texas. it just took place, moments ago. we are closely monitoring the situation and federal authorities are coordinating with local officials. this has been going on too long in our country, too many years and decades now. we grieve for the terrible loss of life, and send our support and love for everyone affected by this absolutely horrific attack to the students, families, teachers, and

personnel at santa fe high. we are with you in this tragic our and we will be with you forever. my administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our students, secure our schools, and to keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves and to others. together att work every level of government, to keep our children safe. may god heal the injured and may god comfort the wounded and may god be with the victims and with the victims' families. day.y sad very, very sad. host: more from "the new york times," in a familiar cycle, the president laments and faust to act after 17 -- vows to act.

after the shooting in florida, he vowed to challenge the national rifle association and republican allies to take action to improve school safety and make restrictions on guns. backedafterwards, he down on many of those prominence -- promises, saying their second amendment rights would never be under siege as long as i'm your president. on friday, mr. trump expressed heart break and frustration about a deadly shoe -- deadly school shooting that killed 10 people at a high school in santa fe, texas, and his administration would do everything in our power to keep the guns away from those who should not have them. james is calling from pittsburgh. caller: good morning, c-span, and all the listeners. this is a sad day. this is something like, man, i

hate this. say i'm aoff when i politician and i get kicked off the ballot, but i have good ideas. it is a sad thing here. i am upset with the president. he is a hypocrite. shut up. sorry for saying that. he don't know nothing. this is so sad about what happened down here. host: what would you like to see the president do? what would you like to see the president say? caller: let these kids get together. you have to know the history of america, how was conquered. i do not believe in scientific stuff. i believe in the bible and i'm not going to preach at people. i hate guns. what do you hate guns for -- what do you need guns for? canada is the second biggest country, we have to work to be

canada. people are using guns to shoot people. instead of caring for people and being polite, we want to build walls. host: on the line from fort lauderdale, you are a teacher. what is your reaction? caller: thank you for taking my call. this is a very sad day. for me being a teacher, i lived in the county so i understood the shooting from parkland. it is really sad seeing this again. the nation needs to come together to pray and not only pray. two years ago, i was speaking to the superintendent from our county. the student was discussing with him, saying schools need to be safer. this is way before parkland. i was speaking to a teacher, i sent the schools are too wide open.

a person can hop the fence and you are on campus. host: you think one thing that local and national official should focus on is reinforcing the actual properties at schools themselves? caller: yes, it is the schools are wide open. i am not in texas, but that is something they could explore, make it more safer. bring prayer back to the schools. years and years ago, it was in the law that they took away prayer from the schools. ultimately, god will protect us and we need to be proactive. what with the shooter do? he would most likely come in an undisclosed entrance. if you are a student, you know all the entrances and everything about the school. host: more from "the washington post," about what we know about the shooter. the affidavit in the case and states that

the 17-year-old told police he did not shoot students he did like so he could have his story told. the guns used in the shooting belonged to his father, according to gov. greg abbott, who said it was unclear if the father knew his son had them. shootingsy other mass carried out with high-powered rifles like ar-15, this one involved relatively common weapons. explosivefound devices around the school and at locations off-campus. joe is calling from florida, from brandenburg, florida, you are a parent. all the politicians are supporting the nra. i blame the father who did not secure his weapons. we need to register all the guns. if we do not do this, the shootings are going to be happening. massacres are going to be

happening in schools. we need more hospitals, mental hospitals. -- i am justng saying we need more mental hospitals. host: patrick is calling from lady lake, florida, what do you think about the latest and many school shootings happening yesterday? caller: "the wall street journal" had an article where the government pays 80% of the medical bills for the gun victims. i want to know where that is in the constitution. hello? host: go ahead. caller: an easy way to get gun control is to say pay your own bills or go to your state. if you areeral aid laid up because your kid a shot, your neighbor's kid was shot with an unsecured weapon. you will not get medicaid or entitlement housing.

you pay your own bills. it is like this abortion thing. you do not have a right to get an abortion, but go to the federal government for your expenses. you should run the clips when rudy giuliani literally complained about the iron pipeline where these guns are sold underneath the table, and they are smuggled to new york. most of the gun crime in america are from stolen guns. protect anyu cannot site. you can have 10 police officers. it is like, a person that wants to get the president, if they are determined they will get the president. you cannot totally secure any site anywhere. ,ost: a tweet from that doherty a reporter at the cbs affiliate in houston -- u.s. senator john cornyn says parents should be held responsible when kids are able to access their firearms.

the of the reaction today yesterday's school shooting in santa fe, texas. one of more than a dozen that of happened in the united states since the beginning of the year. we are getting your reaction. if you are a student or parent, you can call (202) 748-8000. if you are a teacher, you can call (202) 748-8001. all others, (202) 748-8002. walt is calling from pittsburgh, pennsylvania, you are a parent. what are your thoughts? caller: good morning. nra, thelk about the right to own guns. this is not about that, or donald trump, or anything else. how about the violence that these kids play with these video games, do you think that affects them at all? seriously.

the movies you go see, all it is, is about carnage. it is ridiculous. it is what is in your heart and your mind that we have to work on. these gun free zones, that is another joke. that is an invite to these people that are a little bit touched. come get this. the notoriety that happens with the student that shot up the those of theay, next ones, let me get my 15 minutes. host: more from "the washington page, he a facebook had posted a photo of a t-shirt saying "born to kill." the suspect did not have a criminal record or show signs of being violent. in this case, there were not the kinds of red flags seen here before other mass shootings such

as the one last year at a church in sutherland springs, texas, or the one in parkland. the suspect documented his andghts on his computer cell phone, and the writings revealed not only that he intended to carry out the shooting, but also that he plans to commit suicide. he said the shooter did not have the "courage" to follow through on the suicide. what do you think about yesterday's events? caller: i went to catholic school from first to ninth grade. my father got divorced and i was forced to go to public school. one thing about going to a parochial school, you have a problem and you get to pray. you get to pray to god, or you pray, you want to get a good grade or you pray this bully will not pick on you or you pray you might get a date with the girl. it is a meditation, kind of like the japanese asian company --

en orry does, then -- z karate or yoga. it is like a defensive method. schools do not want that. go to the counselor, call the police, and these kids tried doing that at parkland. they called the fbi three times. what did the fbi do? but the kid on hold. if you have a meditation room, do not call it a prayer room. i remember my daughter when she was going to school, these counselors are narcs. they do not understand any of these kids. the kids come out worse talking to a counselor, and it is so true. or just look at parkland california, our school systems, you can replace god and use the word "meditation" for some of these kids. that is all they need, some of

them, and people do not understand that. host: on "the new york times" storiesge, one of the of the shooting involves prayers being sent to texas. they were praying today in santa fe, texas. they often are. they need pills bottomless. even before the gun line -- gunman stop shooting, even happened,y knew what a plea hurried out from person to person. please pray. my niece is not accounted for. urgent prayer request, read another. i do not have details, but just informed there is an active shooter going on at santa fe high school. their requests were heated. prayers lifted for the santa fe schools right now, someone wrote. there have been prayers from ,igeria and from grapevine

texas, from virginia and sao paulo. president offered prayers from the white house. michael is a teacher calling from newark, new jersey. good morning. caller: thank you for c-span. i do not think anything will change until they pass some sort of legislation similar to what they had in the 1990's. comenot think it will until after the midterms. i think by the end of next school year, they will have more sensible policies when it comes to spotting these kinds of risk factors. i do not think it is too difficult, the resources or the will. host: what kind of policies do

you anticipate, or would you like to see implemented, even if they come after the midterms? whoer: following up on kids , with aigher risk little bit more accountability, i guess. when you see these kids every single day, you know when something is wrong. there is only so much you can do about it. host: angel is calling in from kent, washington. you are a parent. what is your reaction? caller: it is terrible to hear there has been another school shooting. it is important for us to realize that it is part of a bigger systemic issue of -- or a bigger cultural issue of thinking only of self. many opportunities

every day for us to embrace the people around us with love and respect. smiling at each other in the coffee shop and helping somebody out with a dollar if they ran out of gas, little things like that really make a huge difference in the perception we have each other. the perception that we have of ourselves. if the students that are the perpetrators in the shootings were surrounded in love, or they be killing people? i do not believe that is the case. it is easy to point the finger in the circumstances, like it is the dad's fault for not locking up the gun, it is the school's fault for not looking at that student, but if we look at our own personal responsibility i think a lot more change will come. host: "the houston chronicle,"

reports about one of the police officers who did not hesitate and responding to the shooting yesterday. for theears, he worked houston police department patrolling the streets of the southwest side and later hunting rapists and pedophiles. his most dangerous day came for months into his new job as a school police officer in santa fe, when gunman opened fire in the town's high school, killing 10 and critically injuring barnes. the shooting, he and another officer rushed into the santa fe high school with a confronted the 17-year-old junior accused in the shooting. he shut barnes with a shotgun, badly wounding the 49-year-old school police officer. a texas department of public safety trooper with barnes fired off a shot before he surrendered. we are continuing to talk to you, getting your thoughts about the shooting. mike is calling from houston, texas, just a short distance

from santa fe. what is your thoughts? caller: they know what is going on. this is not going to stop. they spend big money abroad. spend some of that money in america and stop this violence just to have more security. israel, we just had an embassy open in israel. israel is a christian country. we know about it in the bible. they make fake money on advertising different churches and selling books. the whole country is not christianized. we are not living on a christian rules and authority. host: what would you like to see happen now? what would you like to see governor abbott do, see people here in congress do as responses? should they focus on the safety of the schools, gun control, what should come next? caller: gun control, yes, focus on gun control. first of all what we need to

taking the money we are spreading abroad, putting it back into the american system. we spent big money overseas doing things for other countries when in our country we need more gun control, we need to have people hire more officers. putting a whole lot of people on the border to stop them from coming across, but we are not stopping what is going on in the schools. texas, the concern about some of the larger schools as they are closing them down for funding so they know what is going on. this is not going to stop. this is going to continue. this is the time that we live in . if we are a christian country, we know in the bible, it states -- host: we are going to look at what texas gov. greg abbott said yesterday about his intention to bring together stakeholders and possibly even change some lives. governor abbott: we want to hear

from parents, students, citizens, concerned from those who hold the second amendment right in high esteem. we want to hear from everybody who has an interest in what has happened today so we can work together on putting together laws that will protect second amendment rights but at the same time ensure our communities and our schools are safer places. these include things like speeding background checks. they also include strategies to keep guns out of the hands of those who pose an immediate danger to others. they include providing more resources to our schools, to make sure they have a safety personnel who can protect their schools. it also means providing resources to address the mental health issues behind gun violence, with a focus to reduce gun violence. it also means perhaps expanding a program we have seen work effectively in the lubbock independent school district,

where they have ways of measuring mental health challenges of students, and being able to identify those who may pose a risk. looking to deploy those strategies at school districts across the state of texas. the fact of the matter is, in the fog of the aftermath, the answers are not always immediate, but the answers will come by us working together. kwame is calling, a parent from ashburn, virginia. caller: good morning. this is where we have come to. yesterday i heard, here is how it is going. i got home and i have a bunch of family sitting around. i asked if they had heard the nose and everybody went, oh, yeah, texas, right? is why the situations keep happening in happening, and we

have been in the into it. nobody cares at all. just listening to your callers, blaming parents and teachers, blaming school, blaming this, blaming that. this is common sense. you live by the gun, you die by the gun. your children are not listening to you anymore. the children do not believe in your god anymore because they see the hypocrisy that is going on where you guys love your guns more than you love your children. this is a situation where any child that wants to do this, all they have to look to florida and texas. if they have access to guns, they just pick it up and do what the hell they want. this is what is going on. we need to wake up. this is not a funding issue, this is not prayer. this has nothing to do with prayer. you can pray until your face

turns blue. the children are not listening. host: karen is calling from portland, indiana. caller: some of their previous callers' thoughts are some of mine. i feel like mentally ill kids, kids that are stressed out, they know they will commit suicide so they want to go out with a bang. they know the press in the united states and all over the world will give them known variety. shouldn't we be taming down the press on some of these incidents? you'd also,uestion women, if they want to be respected, they should not be asking for their neighbor's tax dollars for abortion. host: the cover of the front chronicle"e houston has full coverage of the shooting yesterday, saying terror in santa fe, with stories detailing the violent imagery on the alleged shooter's social media, as well as first-hand

reports from students at the school who were watching their classmate die in front of them, they said. today, we are continuing our discussion about school shootings, yesterday's shootings, one of more than a dozen this year alone. we are getting your thoughts. paul is on the line from north las vegas, nevada. you are a teacher. caller: actually, i am a concealed weapons instructor for the state of nevada. most states will give individuals the ability to protect themselves. kids cannot do that. it costs money to hire security guards or have off-duty police police these schools. what you have a lot of in every classroom, is a teacher, and some of them probably are already firearms owners and capable of handling a firearm.

if you put the advantage in their favor, these kids that are doing these things are doing reconnaissance. they know where they can go and when they can go there, to possibly pull off what they want to do. ,hey know that when i get there the odds are not in their favor, they will not go here at -- will not go. host: there was a police officer at the school yesterday in santa fe. that did not prevent the student from carrying out this attack. we just read that the officer was wounded. there was a school resource person as well. would you like to see someone in every classroom armed? caller: you need to put the advantage in your favor, so if the governor of that state, whatever, every state, if ordered to stop this, people that are thinking about doing something heinous like this need to know that the conditions that

when they get there will not be advantageous for them, and they will not survive the attempt. that is the best thing that i can tell you, but it is going to cost money if they want to get security guards. teachers are already there en ma sse. armed the teachers that want to be armed, and now you have more people that are basically trained and if an event starts, they can possibly put an end to it. that is what i think ought to be done. i do not know that they will listen to it. i will say one other thing. this is a supreme court case. is that cheney versus winnebago county department of social services united states supreme court. the year was 1989. the supreme court basically stated that the defense of an individual is the responsibility of the individual and not the

police. kids cannot do that. they are relying on adults to take care of it. host: let's take a look at some of the tweets sent yesterday by students from parkland, florida. david hogg tweeted -- get ready for two weeks of media coverage for call -- politicians acting t when in give a shi reality they want to boost their approval ratings before midterms. we have from mi gonzalez -- -- gonzales, santa fe high school, you did not deserve this. you deserve peace all your lives, not just after a tombstone saying that is put over you. you deserve more than thoughts and prayers, and after supporting us by walking out, we will be there supporting you by raising up your voices.

kyle tweets -- a sawed off shotgun is illegal. pipe bombs are illegal. what would not have changed anything, gun control. what could have, red flag en masse. -- red flagng your gun laws. if you are a parent, you can call (202) 748-8000. teachers call (202) 748-8001. all others call (202) 748-8002. roy is calling from woodstock, georgia. you are a parent. caller: man cannot solve his own problems. we need god in the situation. instead of running to god, we are running away from god. the caller was talking about love, but the thing you have to realize is love of god is nothing but idolatry. a man will leave his wife in the name of love.

sent to drain the swamp, but also i believe he was sent to make america got again. -- god again. they fortify their position of excluding god and everything we do and they are paying a heavy price. they are doing what feels right in their own eyes, and instead of seeking peace, they are seeking to sin in peace. ,hat is where we need to turn the conversation needs to turn back to the god that we know, the god that we love. we truly understand that there is something more powerful than they are, and they have a god they can turn to instead of turning to violence, instead of turning to other things that is not benefiting our children. host: nick is calling from arlington, virginia. caller: thank you so much for having me on c-span.

i just wanted to say, i am a radiologic technologist at work in washington, d.c. one thing we have not talked about is having a documentary that kind of looks at the life of several children who have been through, like a wound or some type, that really have had their life affected. showing young kids in seventh and eighth grade, that might make kind of a lasting impression on them. i do not think anybody has really talked about that and that is one opportunity, rather than giving guns to teachers and things like that. what about showing kids what it is like after the fact? these families are devastated. they have years and years of treatments. disfigurements, and

shock and awe is sometimes a good opportunity to demonstrate what happens after the fact. we need to look at that. i do not think it is that difficult. you can start kids in the seventh or eighth grade, show them this stuff, and hopefully it will make a lasting impression. host: "the washington post" reports, takes a look at some of the signs that the shooter displayed, and says they were not enough to raise red flags with folks in that community. among other things, on the same day he posted the t-shirt photo on facebook, he uploaded a picture of a jacket adorned with several paned symbols -- pinned symbols. he explained the significance of each, the communist party's

hammer, not the germany's iron the japanese rising sun for the tactics of, cozzi pilots, the knights templar for evil. chuck, you are a parent. what are your thoughts? caller: i am really disheartened. i do not know, kimberly. -- helier caller said he really hit the nail on the head when he say we care more for our guns and we do for our children. now that we know that the nra was involved in funneling dirt money from russia to president elected, ilp him get just totally lost faith in the nra. i used to be a member. back when my pierre took over -- lapierre took over, it became a

wholly-owned subsidiary of the republican party. they use our status quo situation as population control. they hate real birth control. you know, they just defunded planned pregnancy. they need enough human feedstock to fill their private for-profit prisons, because they need to make profit off of their fellow man. host: what would you like to see leaders do now? what would you like to see state officials and folks in washington do in reaction to what is happening at these schools? as you know, it is not just the schools. it is the leaders, it is everywhere. we just have to bring miniguns. -- too many guns. we need more background checks, no high-capacity clips, any number of things just to get the

ball rolling. the republicans refuse to deal because they are beholden to the nra. host: there was another school involved shooting yesterday in georgia that left one person , accordinge injured to "the atlanta journal-constitution." one person has died and another has been shot in the parking lot across the street from outside and high school. the people shot were not students. there was a graduation ceremony happening across the street at the performing arts center. the shooting happened after the graduation concluded. angelo is calling from new york city, you are a teacher. what do you think? caller: obviously, this is upsetting whenever you see such young people be slaughtered. i am also a dean at my school. i have been teaching and have been part of a security team for

18 years. unfortunately, i hate guns, but i would not want to be a sitting duck. i have never touched a gun, but i have to tell you, i am petrified just sitting and teaching in the classroom, and the only thing i have is a walkie-talkie calling for help. what do i do -- and we have therein our school -- if are children, once we lock our door and are hiding in the room, those kids in the hallways, we're not supposed open up those doors. it raises other issues. one of the major issues is we have a lot of students in our buildings that should not be there. we have 18-year-old and 19-year-old ninth graders walking around the buildings with our 14-year-old children who are truly ninth graders, and these kids have a lot of issues. everybody kind of knows who they are, but you really cannot say and take them out because then

you might be profiling them or you might be picking on them. teachers in our schools are so say, ato spot a kid and red flag over here, there is an issue with this kid. now all of a sudden it turns back on the teachers, look at you, you are being biased you are doing this. you have taken the teacher away from being able to identify a child that, this kid really needs help you are, or i am concerned about this kid because he is 19 in ninth grade, but we are not allowed to touch him until he is 20 or 21 because he legally can come into the building. host: tonya is calling from cleveland. what are your thoughts? caller: i agree with the teacher from new york. it is like children have lost respect. there is no respect for authority, for teachers, for anything.

the love out of being with your peers at school, i understand that, but there's so much hatred. they took the right for the teacher to discipline the children. they took away the right for the parent to discipline the children. now we have the computer, the kids are on their computers all the time, and they learn all of this stuff, and it just drives me crazy. i did not send my daughter to high school because of the fact that there is fights at school all the time, and the parents, we fear for something like this happening at our schools. i don't know. it is just frustrating to see our children die. and taking away our guns is not going to solve it, because they are always going to get it. host: there is some other

reaction from our viewers on twitter today. one viewer says -- time to talk tout gun reform, then background checks, magazine limits, psychological evaluations, storage check by police, then on violent -- ban on violent criminals, license every weapon, track and munitions. another viewer tweets -- the only answer in stopping school shootings is arming all personnel. other than that, there is no other solution. on the front page of "the washington post," is is a plan would pull funds from abortion providers. the trump administration is proposing to bar clinic's provide abortion services or referrals from receiving federal thaty planning funds, would deprive women's health centers of millions of dollars a year. the proposal would require a

bright line of physical and financial separation between clinics that received $260 million annually a year in federal funding, and any organization that provides abortions or referrals to clinics. the long-held objective of abortion opponents are staunch supporters of president trump. sarah huckabee sanders said it would ensure that taxpayers do not indirectly fund abortions and that trump is pleased to support it. we have timothy calling, a parent, from wilson, north carolina. what do you think of yesterday's shooting? caller: thank you for taking my call. yesterday was so set. we are right back to this again. put it this way -- they need to have real gun control. we need to start holding parents responsible. these people got all these guns in their house. they go out and buy sometimes 50 guns. the guns are in the house and

the kids get to them. if you look at this, that is what happened. we also need to register every gun, just like you do a car. we need to have track of how many guns these people got in their houses. there need to be questionnaires sent to them to make sure that they are, those guns are locked up, if they have any mentally ill kids around, they need to know they are responsible for keeping those guns away from them. they need to start holding, really holding those people responsible. i hear nothing of that. then we need to look at the red flags. this is not mental illness, this is plain hate. it is plain hate now. if you look at the background -- and they do not want to really say this on the news -- but most of these people were anti-semitic, they love hitler's. these last two guys, and they love these hate groups.

arian brothers, kkk, all these hate groups, and they learn all this hate. the main thingdo in those hate groups is by guns. that is the people that are buying all those guns. we will come to a time one day when it will be a civil war, and all of these people who hate government who call into your show every day -- and i even heard them willing to take up arms against government -- these people are armed better than the police. it is going to be a sad state. host: steve is calling in from new york, also a teacher. what are your thoughts? caller: good morning. i am a principal. , allted to call in and say the republicans calling and saying schools being gun free zones are the cause of these things, they are being played by the politicians because guess what the gun free zone, the

congress, the house, the senate, every statehouse is a gun free zone. you are going to love this. the building of the national headquarters of the nra is a gun free zone. you are being played, that is all i have to say. host: other news, cnn reports a man yelling anti-trump rhetoric opened fire at the president's miami area golf resort yesterday. the man who opened fire early yesterday at the trump national terrel golf club had been yelling anti-trump rhetoric. the miami-dade police officer said the man was identified as a 42-year-old. police shot him in an exchange of gunfire. police officeral suffered an injury but was not shot. flag from aook up

poll in the rear of the complex, brought it into the lobby, draped it over a counter, yelled rhetoric against president donald trump, and fired a gun into the air. anthony is calling from pleasant hill, new jersey. caller: good morning, kimberly. agree withsad, but i several callers that called in this morning on this topic. really, i believe it starts from the president. if you look at all his rallies he has, he is spewing hate and division. nothing but hate and division. the kids are watching him. you cannot look up to a president that all he wants to do is spew hate and division. if you really notice about all of the shootings, they are not ms 13. they are not muslims. they are not mexicans and rapists coming across the border. they are white people. host: charles is calling in from

new york city, also an educator. what are your thoughts? caller: kimberly, thank you so very much. i am a teacher. the horse is out of the gate. we are into a phase whereby the chickens are truly coming home to roost. is the lead horse that is out the gate, there is no way you are going to be able to deal with circumstances and gone --ns, because if it has gone unchecked for too long. nobody wants to accept responsibility. , near,, anywhere isroaching responsibility down to casualness.

boards of education in particular are not stepping forward, taking responsibility. they refuse to do it. partisan politics. that is essentially what it is, and it is very sad. no one, no one seems to want to step up. no one is capable, seemingly, of stepping up so we have karma. what goes around, comes around. host: lori is calling from omaha, nebraska, a parent. what are your thoughts? caller: i really do not believe that it is nothing to do with the president or the nra. i think it all begins at home. a lot of these situations, it does not seem like there is any situation -- and a father's, from parkland to newtown to santa fe, there never seems to be in a fathers involved.

sons need to have a father to rear them and help them and i do not think a mother can do it by herself. how many shootings happen in this united states every day, drive-by shootings that happen every day, and there is no fathers in those situations? host: in this case yesterday, the shooter had a father and got these firearms from the father. they belonged to him. does that change your view at all? caller: i had also heard the father was not really a lot in his son's life. he worked out of town a lot. that is the same thing as newtown, the guy was not there. i have seenl note, you on msnbc and "meet the press," you see more animated on those shows. it seems like when you post on c-span you have the deer in the headlights look. maybe you should recuse yourself because you not seem unbiased. host: dave is calling in from

grieve -- green code springs, florida. caller: good morning. my thing is, how are you going to stop the shooter from getting in the school? common sense, metal detectors, stop it before it happens. stop it. i do not have children in school, i have grandkids. my daughter can take a handgun in her backpack and bring it to her school. stop the problem before it gets there, because i will hold the school responsible. we can lock in any government building and you cannot get in without pulling your close off -- clothing off. stop before it begins. when donald trump made that remark about ms 13 game, look with the news did. look what cnn did. nancy pelosi, they are people too. i guess this kid that shot everybody, he is a person, too.

let's forgive him. these are our leaders. it is stupid. everyone wants to call donald trump out. they are wrong. "the "the washington -- wall street journal" announcing that south korea pulled out of its joint drills with the united states to restart its talks with north korea. planned training exercising involving b-52 bombers in south america -- south korean planes was scrapped after concerns could generate tensions between the meeting between donald trump and kim jong-un. assertions byws the trump administration it is keeping up a campaign of maximum economic and military pressure until north korea gives up its nuclear weapons programs, and that the u.s. has not changed the scope of its exercises. carol is calling in, another educator, calling from kansas

city, missouri. what do you think? caller: i think it starts at home. if parents are not teaching their children how to sit down and talk with somebody and resolve an issue, rather than just keep it bottled up and explode, like this little boy did, then we would not have an issue all the time. not be this kid, it will be other kids. the problem with the parents as they have to sit down, take the time to talk to their children, and tell their children, this is what you do when somebody says something to you or somebody does something to you. you sit down and you talk to them and you try to work it out and you try to be friends with the person. not talking or not sitting down or not resolving things or not

trying to get these kids to be ,riends, that is telling them suck it up. i think kids are really angry in school if somebody calls them a name. i tell them, you need to talk it over. sit down and talk it over. i will try to get the kids to sit down and talk it over. it starts with the parents. bobby is calling in from fitzgerald, georgia. what do you think? trump: i think donald [indiscernible] the biggest problem you have in america is the unbalanced media, commentary, debates. it is one-sided.

when someone calls you out on msnbc, someone on the sean hannity show was sitting in a chair, all people talking about, they can get it. you all are a bunch of hypocrites. host: gary is calling in from atlanta, you are a paired. what do you -- parent. what do you think after yesterday's incident? caller: i never watched msnbc and till all these people called. you being on there, you are a perfect example of what black womanhood should be about. my example, my comment is this -- the problem with america is that we have socially accepted a mental illness called white supremacy as being normal. they keep trying to get the rest of us to develop tolerance skills. white supremacy is a mental illness. anybody who thinks they are

superior to another person because of the color of their skin is sick. host: how do you think white supremacy plays into the school shootings? caller: you notice, all these kids have one thing in common. kkk, orther neo-nazi, some kind of isolation. they say, they got to have parents in the house, they got to find -- they got to have a father. they keep finding excuses. it does not work with a black male but it does when a white boy does it. kids are being affected by the false premise called white supremacy. it is affecting children. host: in another headline, "the hill" is reporting there are an increasing number of gop revolts against speaker paul ryan as his retirement years. speaker paul ryan appears to be asing his grip on power over restive republican congress.

members of the far right team to with moderate republicans to sink the farm bill, a manager legislative priority and legacy for the lame-duck beaker. a band of 20 centrist republicans are revolting against ryan using a rare procedural tactic to force a series of immigration votes. reinstated father patrick conroy as the house chaplain last month after catholic republicans and democrats publicly ripped his decision to force the chaplain to step down. the speaker hoped to use his final months in office raising money for his party and campaigning to defend the house .ajority in a critical midterm he is facing increasing interparty division. kurt is calling in from new jersey. what do you think about yesterday's school shooting? i have to turn it off, i cannot watch it.

so publicized. i worry that these kids are medicated. nobody brings up medication, the side effects are suicide. i do not know. i think the conversation should be opened up. knots.e held by -- nuts. i worry that we have been changed chemically and environmentally and morally. host: larry is calling from woolridge, maine, a parent. what are your thoughts today after this latest school shooting? caller: first, thank you for taking my call. obviously, our hearts go out to all of those affected. it is just tragedy in this country. i think anybody with an iq above a frog knows this violence will continue to happen.

i remember when i got married about 15 years ago. my wife had a son and he was sitting in front of the tv learning how to kill people on these videogames for hours and hours and hours. when we got married, i put the brakes on that. they were just sitting around for hours. there was nothing she could do because she had to work, single mom, to keep food on the table for her sons. the boy got left doing this every day. it was awful. exposed tokids are more sex and violence on tv. it is glorified in this country. how can you expect any other outcome when that is all they see? host: edwin is calling in from lexington, virginia. what are your thoughts? caller: i would like to see all ofia stop showing the photos

any mass murderers. publico reason for the to know what these people look like. i think it does nothing but presence,eir especially when it comes to the international and national terrorists. these high school kids, i just noticed that you show the picture of some print media. , am sure there are some local some other high schools who have pinned that on the walls. there is absolutely no reason for anybody to know what these kids look like. i think it does nothing but glorify themselves.

host: and then some happier news, "the times" from the u.k. -- welcome to the family, showing meghan markle and her mom arriving before the wedding festivities that just wrapped up just moments ago. meghan markle and prince harry were wed in london. the american actress becoming the latest royal. david is calling in from georgia, a parent. what is your reaction? this about me say what the lady said to you earlier. tell them about how by list -- biased pedro and greta are in how they handle people. we are dancing around the subject here. this is a problem that stems from white rights. mentalitygun nut white culture that is alive and well.

everything iso the first to be taught to be afraid. someone is always coming to get white folks. as kids. that is why you see a lot of them call the cops when they have a chance to, because they can do that. go to youtube and look at how experiment -- an with one white guy having a gun and one black guy. the black eye is on the ground. the white guy is showing the gun, and he says he has rights -- that is the problem here. -- host: we are out of time for this segment. coming up, we will have two perspectives on net neutrality and the fcc's rollback of the obama era rules. chris lewis and brent skorup

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deployment committee advisory member. they will explain what the latest developments and give their views on net neutrality. thank you for joining us today. i want to start with you, chris. remind our viewers exactly what net neutrality is. guest: net neutrality is a long-standing principle that the internet has grown up with, that when you pay for access to the internet, you should be able to reach for any part of it. that the service providers that give you access should not be able to block or throttle or set up traffic management that discriminates against some content versus others. that it is an open internet, an open network. host: explain what the latest action by fcc ajit pai was and how that affects these roles. -- rules. guest: there is a big debate and

whether and how to regulate the internet. in 2015, the obama administration decided to use regulations for the internet. that was controversial. in december, the fcc, which now has a republican majority, decided to repeal those 2015 regulations and what is called title ii classification of the internet. host: the "washington post" reports the latest is the senate approved a bipartisan resolution to restore those fcc net neutrality rules. approved to repeal a sweeping action taken by the federal comedic haitians commission, issuing a rebuke to the trump administration. the resolution targets the fcc's vote in december to repeal net neutrality rules for internet providers. if successful, the legislative

gambit could restore it as a regular sense and hand a victory to tech companies, activists, and consumer advocacy groups. it is very unclear whether this will get anywhere in the house, but at the same time, talk about this push and pull, this idea that it is these internet providers and other advocacy groups fighting back against the government on this or what is at stake -- on this. what is at stake? guest: we are in the middle of the legislative process. we do not know if it will be successful. what we believe is at stake is the internet continuing to function the way we have known it. that folks who want to create content, access content, want to continue to have the ability to do so without having the internet service provider as a gatekeeper -- we think that is what is at stake. which is why you see such a broad coalition coming out.

just big tech companies but small ones, and also small businesses that you -- utilize the tool of the internet to reach a broader marketplace. and you have groups like ours that are concerned when you have the ability for an internet service provider to discriminate between some content versus others, that that limits their choices online. host: what do you say about this? is there a risk that choices for consumers will be reduced or that we will see this uneven speed at which internet services are provided? guest: chris mentioned net neutrality. in 2015, what the obama fcc did was classify the internet as a title ii telecommunications service. it means it up plies penalties

from the key medications act, drafted for the monopoly at&t network. it comes with a lot of baggage. this, to me and others, is a reversal of the successful derail tory policy of the united states in 1996. president clinton and a republican congress passed a law that said that -- passed a law saying that the internet should be unfettered by federal regulation. in 2015, that was reversed. the obama fcc to get out of title i and put it under title ii, the strict this regulatory category the fcc has. that was controversial. host: let's take a look at what fcc chairman ajit pai said before this vote to roll back rules.ulels --

[video clip] >> the main complaint consumers have about the internet is not, and has never been, that their internet service provider is blocking access the content. it is that they do not have access at all, or not enough competition. these relations have ironically taken us in the opposite direction from consumer preferences. ii, investment in high-speed networks has to climbed by billions of dollars. this is the first time such investment has declined outside of a recession in the internet era. when there is less investment, that means fewer next generation networks are built. that means less access and less competition. that means fewer jobs for americans building those networks. and that means more americans are stranded on the wrong side of the digital divide. host: i want to get reaction from both of our guests to those comments, but first, i want to

remind viewers you can join the discussion. democrats can call (202) 748-8001. -- democrats can call (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002 as we discuss net neutrality and the senate vote on that. chris, what do you think about that? is stifled byment this -- which means we have fewer next generation folks -- what is your reaction? guest: there is a lot to react to. on the investment point, many folks have debunked this claim. testified before the senate probations committee this week and, when asked for numbers, could not produce numbers that show that there is continued investment. that people do not really know if they will be reduced investment. all the go by -- all we go by is

what the providers say. they continue to say they will invest billions of dollars into network appointment. so we think that is not really a concern. what is a concern, and what he skipped over, is the history of net neutrality violations, history of net neutrality harms. these are real. there is a long record of them. and there is a record of the fcc being stuffed into protect net neutrality -- host: what kind of harms? blocking, which is why there is a no blocking rule. in the past am a we have seen torrent, a fileit sharing service, their traffic. facetime, a competitor to at&t. has had ae the fcc

long tradition of protecting net neutrality, when these violations have come up -- and there have been others -- companies have stepped back and changed their policies. now, we have an fcc that has said it was not in their jurisdiction to protect an open internet. that they pass it off to another agency that does not have rulemaking authority, that cannot make rules preventing blocking or throttling. so we have the fcc stepping away from their ability to protect consumers. guest: i tend to agree with chairman pai. your average person does not care about net neutrality and abhishek debates on how to regular the internet. people do care about the number of competitors they have. we must remember, the reason we have competition problems in much of the u.s. is because of regulation, often fcc regulation. and state and local policy for decades that every

household could have one cable and one phone provider. this was a problem created by regulators. now that the fcc has stepped in and said we have regular more because there are competition problems, i think that is missing the wider picture appear what chairman pai said i think is right. more onshould focus getting more competitors into the marketplace. is looking ating how cities and competitors inhibit new competitors from getting into the marketplace. it is great and should have been done years ago, but andrtunately, the fcc lawmakers have been distracted by this net neutrality debate. host: what about in terms of issues like blocking? guest: that is a real issue. often, these are purely competition issues. we have competition load -- laws. this did not change at any point

before 2015. it was the federal trade regularly this. have a no 2015 did blocking rule. in litigation, the obama fcc lawyers said if an internet service provider blocks content, they drop out of title ii regulations. they are actually less regulation if they filter content. this is a symptom of everything that comes with title ii. it is not quite as strong as chris has said. host: gabriel is calling on our republican line from north carolina. caller: good morning. i wanted to focus in on how information is getting translated to the mass public and get the thoughts on what is

the best way to articulate to orple what net neutrality is what would be a resource that we should have people go to so that they can understand the material. i just want to get your thoughts on that in terms of informing the public about how this real impacts them. host: that is a good question. brent, why don't we start with you? guest: there is a lot out there. part of the problem is that net neutrality keeps changing. there are core principles, but what this means keeps changing over time. i have written a lot about this. you can visit mercatus.org to see my views on this issue are what many people are calling net neutrality is title ii regulations, which is this legacy communications act framework from the 1930's. it takes a lot of baggage from

telephone and telegraph networks and imposes that on the internet. so you need to be cautious about what you are doing. guest: i will also take the chance to promote our website, publicknowledge.org. whatisnhave a website, etneutrality.org. you can see the history of net neutrality violations. more importantly, if you want to get into the nerdy part of it, you can see the court history that has followed the fcc's efforts to protect these principles of no blocking and no throttling and no paid privatization. that is important, because when brent talks about the title ii regulations, there is a reason why the fcc chose to use their authority under title ii to create these rules. to do ithen they tried under lighter regulations, title

one, or other jurisdictions, the court throughout those rules. blocking and no throttling rules are basically rules for common carriers. so if those are important for consumer protections, under the current law, the fcc could only use title ii to outright prevent those actions by isps. that is what we -- why we are fighting so hard to reinstate these roles. host: we are joined by chris lewis, former fcc deputy director, and also vice president of public knowledge. we're also joined by brent broadbande fcc's deployment advisory committee member. also, at george mason university's mercator's center -- mercatus center. we are breaking down net

neutrality after this week's vote in the senate to roll back a rollback of roles put through puthe -- rollback of rules through by the fcc. that bill came to after it was forced by senate democrats, with the massachusetts senator edward markey leading the charge. let's take a look at what senator markey said. [video clip] in 2000 seven, an associated press investigation found that comcast was blocking or severely bittorrent, a website allowing users to share media files. at&t forced apple to block skype and other competing services from using at&t's wireless network to encourage users to purchase more voice minutes. 11, verizon blocked google

wallet to protect a competing service it had a financial stake in developing and promoting. there is no shortage of evidence that we need clear and enforceable rules of the road so these discriminatory practices become commonplace schemes. that consumers and small businesses must suffer through without any options for records -- recourse. host: senator markey seems to be saying consumers and others can face a lot of peril if these rules -- if the new rules were to stay in place. guest: he raised several things. are competition problems. laws,e competition

consumer protection laws. much of what people are concerned about when it comes to net neutrality are simple competition problems we already handled. on bittorrent, which keeps coming up, this is largely a misunderstanding. time- bit torrent, at the 10 years ago, was a very greedy application. it interfered with other services. comcast used the blunt tool to prevent bit torrent from overwhelming its networks. wereompany's -- companies worked ithad met and out. torrent thatit brought it to court. it wasn't advocacy -- it was a advocacy -- an advocacy group.

, title iiemphasize regulations from 2015 do not have the strong protections that everyone is saying they have. as i mentioned, in current litigation, if internet service providers block content, they are less related than broadband. this is an unintended consequence when you take old legacy relations and apply them to the modern context. guest: the 2015 roles are clear. that is why they are called bright line rules. blocking is not allowed. if you provide another service then internet, that is a different situation. but for the public internet, they are not allowed to block. this will be true until june 11, officiallyles are repealed. that is why it is important congress act so quickly. host: calvin is calling on our independent line from louisiana.

caller: how are you doing? pretty much just a comment. brent hit the nail on the head. net neutrality is always the same. i was an i.t. professional. the internet is a different beast, so make new regulations. using old telephone lines to push the internet through. government regulation is not the best solution. change relations from using 21st laws from 1974 to the century to regulate the internet to give a little protection and, at the same time, not a total block relation. i laugh when people tell me they need net neutrality. this definition has been changing for so long, and i have sincen the i.t. business

2000 eight, when i graduated college. so i agree with brent. host: i want to give chris a chance to respond. guest: i think the callers actually describing what we had in 2015 rules. not only did the fcc's follow usecourt's instruction to fore ii rules, but it also the congressional and statutory that did nothat apply to the internet. the lighter touch you are looking for, under current law, is not only possible but was created under the 2015 rules. details,look at the you are getting what you are describing, where you can make sure there is no blocking or throttling. that you do not have a necessary regulations -- the one that comes up most often is the ability to set rates that you saw with phone networks -- they forbore from that sort of power in the 2015 rules.

that is a good thing. reallyght line rules are important, because most consumers know they have very few choices for internet access. most consumers have really one choice, one broadband, it if you are lucky, you have two. i only have one choice -- comcast, which i use. there is a lack of choice and competition. that is what senator kennedy cited when he voted to support the overturning of this review. host: one of the republicans who supported this. brent, i want to give you a chance to respond to that. guest: great to hear from the caller, a technician's expert in the field. i think that is right. this carries a lot of baggage that we are only now figuring out what is in the title ii framework. so this raises the prospect of rate regulation. raises theoned it

prospect of universal service fees for broadband, which would be new. it gives the president, in times of war, expansive power over the a title, now that it is ii service, and we are in a time of war. there is all this baggage that is totally novel when it comes to the internet. i am encouraged that, in december, the fcc wanted to go back to the pre-2015 light touch revelatory framework. host: you have said you believe the ftc should oversee the internet. you have given several reasons, including the ftc has tech expertise, that the fcc's structure and history as a media regulator threatens a free and open internet, and that the fcc's approach to regulate the internet stifles innovation. break down, in a way viewers can understand, how regulation would is doneferently if it

by the federal trade commission and set of the federal communications commission. guest: the big difference is where the burden lies in showing consumer harm. if there, until 2015, was a competition problem, if and internet service provider was abusing consumers in some way, the government would have to put forward evidence of that. what title ii does is shift the burden. now, if you have a new service, -- under 2015 rules, you come to the fcc, show them your service and business models, and they can evaluate and review it and no deadline on how long it takes to review. they cap object it, sit on it, approve it. if they approve it, they can object it later. it empowers regulars -- regulators at the expense of consumers. the light touch framework, which existed from the clinton administration until late in the obama administration, the u.s. internet evolved tremendously.

the tech sector in the u.s. became the envy of the world. think of a company not based or created in the u.s. that was a successful framework. bringing title ii threatens that. it carries all this baggage that we have not thought about. -- statuteslephones for telephones and telegraphs. they are inappropriate for the internet. host: we have callers to get to, but i think you have a reaction to that. guest: sure. the communications act was built not just for telephones and telegraphs. it was built for publications networks. ad in the way first century, medicationsilt for networks. in the 21st century, the communication network is

basically the internet. giveeard senator markey some of the history where the fcc was asked to step in. tradeou have the federal commission -- they do not have the same technical expertise that the federal can medications commission has. the chair admitted that directly, saying that he would need help from the federal communications commission. they are also reactive. the policies where they can react after the fact is not allow them to set rules -- underre already living rules of no blocking or throttling.

it at least that's rules of the road -- sets rules of the road that internet service providers can not engage in those practices. host: call from florida, our independent line. caller: i want a simple by this. the deregulation that the republicans are pushing forth on net neutrality basically allows bad actor corporation service providers to charge the consumer wrongfully for certain websites that they do not feel they are making enough money off of, when these websites should be public internet websites, available to all people, as we have seen. this is an issue where the republicans are stating that deregulation is a good thing when the old wild west the revelation they are talking about basically allows a few bad actors to take -- the regulation they are talking about basically

allows a few bad actors to take the money and run. like when they deregulated energy in the late 80's. -- 1980's. thank you for the question and explanation. the u.s. has never blocked content because they dislike the content. that has not happened. the internet is changing rapidly. companies need freedom to test experimentte and with new technologies. where the internet used to be static text that could last a few years, it is now largely about video and how we get video in networks. this next iteration will be about real-time services. there are voice services. serial innovator that created a voice app called hello digital

suit against the 2015 regulations, because they banned his applications. a small innovator. so you see these new business models and new technologies, and about. companies need to be able to settle these things without the next.eathing down their another company has a very impressive service for people who are visually disabled. they wear smart glasses, have a headphone ear piece, and their data is constantly scanning the environment. peoplee enabling blind to see so they can go out in public. they are all of these new people -- services coming out, and they need to not come to the fcc first for permission. ban anyhe fcc did not

online services. i am sure that will bear out when it makes it to court. have nottions isps blocked content because they do not like content. they blocked content because there are competitive services coming online that isp's want to get in the market for pay because they can manage traffic, they conserve serve as a cake keeper. this is not just for -- as a gate keeper. real-timet just for innovations, but new services coming up online now. whether it is a fact that now verizon and comcast are creating their new alarm systems that compete with traditional ones thesedt, that is why services are --

content providers -- comcast, nbc universal, and now -- one in court right now at&t-time warner. there are so many mergers, i cannot keep track of them all. host: as we continue this discussion, if you are a democrat, you can call (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. i want to read a little bit from piece.. times" it says the senate net neutrality vote is just democratic campaign blaster, and that is ok. luster, and that is ok. he says the real reason behind the vote is line drawing.

the senator from how i put it lightly, noting there is no consistent to -- constituency on the other side of this other --n indications companies telecommunications companies. that is the problem for the republicans defending last gop's decision by the fcc's majority to wipe out the 2015 rules and take a hands-off approach to the net. in this case, their philosophical devotion to small government and less regulation is serving telecom communities -- companies are faced little or no competition in local markets. what is your reaction to that? guest: i think it is a fair assessment of what is at stake. non-partisan organization, but we are happy about is we see bipartisan

.onsensus in this senate vote more importantly, outside the beltway, this is not a controversial issue. latest poll -- from the university of maryland, their poll -- 86% of americans agree we need to maintain these rules. republicans, 90% of democrats. only in washington is this a controversial issue, where we have millions of dollars being paid in lobbying and access to policymakers, made by the major isp's. host: three republican senators joined on this vote, senators lisa collins of maine, murkowski of alaska, and john kennedy of louisiana. brent, i want to put the issue to you.

what did you think about this assessment, and will this be a campaign issue? guest: unfortunately, this has become partisan. title ii became partisan when, in 2014, after the midterms, president obama put pressure on the fcc, his fcc chairman, to of the litigation to act. this was a reversal of previous policy that the internet is a title i regulated service. i believe in 2010, when obama's previous fcc chairman was looking at internet regulations and thought about title ii -- i believe over 70 house democrats wrote a letter discouraging that. has become political only recently. i do not have a crystal ball on whether voters will be activated by this.

i think it is a complex issue most people are not paying much attention to. one thing on the polling, because to hear 80%, 90% of people agree on something, was surprising. i looked at these polls. they are asking about vague goals that dude -- a vague rules that do not exist. tot 2015 order allows isp's filter content, clearly elated by the obama administration lawyer at that time, and does not create the protections in the polls. host: we have a lot of callers who want to join the conversation. valerie is on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for doing this this morning. guest: morning. caller: there is a timeline between seeing you on tv and talking -- host: mute your tv and just talk into your phone. caller: i am a navy vet.

commandthe 1980's, the i was at was one of those that introduced the intranet. i am sure you guys remember that. was just the military. you have to have secret clearance back then. 2018, i remember my first computer -- my son was five. he was artistic, which has been a blessing in that manner. we see the internet, because it is such a committee occasions -- communications problem, my question is what are we doing to do to keep it safe, because you brought up times of war. in times of war, what is the first thing that gets taken out? communications. host: what are your thoughts on that? guest: thank you for the

question. the internet has changed a lot since the 1980's, as you mentioned. it was commercialized in the early 1990's. before then, it was purely a government network. there were a lot of restrictions. on net, the internet has been great for society and great for communications. there are certainly problems, but we have a lot of existing law -- the defamation law, privacy law, and i think that answers a lot of the concerns that people have about the internet. that hope we will continue clinton administration republican congress policy, which is that the internet should be unfettered by federal and state regulation. that is a climate that drove all the investment we saw the 42015. and that will continue if and when 2015 regulations are repealed. talkinghe caller is

about things i think are beyond net neutrality. well we are debating net are seeingnow, folks things online that they are concerned about, whether it is dealing with their privacy, being able to trust the content they see is coming from a person or someone inside or outside the country. that is part of the discussion now. part of the reason why we need to resolve and restore net neutrality rules is so we can have a careful conversation about how to balance the importance of this technology continuing to innovate and develop and also being able to trust it. there are a number of proposals out there dealing with ads and disclosure of who is paying for ads. there are other ideas out there. we need to continue to have this debate so people can trust what they see online. host: we are to her from valerie. sally, calling

from our independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. thank you for c-span. my comment is there seems to be very mixed messages coming from the internet access industry. on one hand, they are saying it is so important that we need right of the public ways, and they are promoting with the fcc to take away local and state authority, so they can have unprecedented access to the public right of ways. they are taking universal service money to build out broadband also. then, they say we are not a public utility, these regulations do not apply to us. i think that is very contradi ctory. if it is so important that they

get millions of dollars in universal service fund and have access to public right of ways to waterigging next and sewer and gas, i think they have to concede that they are an essential service. host: what do you think about the classifications? guest: i agree it is an essential service. kenexa everyone to things like commerce, jobs, health care, education. the market place caller was describing is accurate. the internet, whether we are talking about it starting as a government service and then going commercial, or the rapid deployment that we continue to try to promote in the areas that do not have access to high-speed broadband has never happen just from private sector investment. you talked about the universal service fund that congress created and the fcc manages to

invest in deployment where it is so expensive to deploy that there is no business model for to deploy there, that is important for rural areas. on balance, there is a demand -- separate from net neutrality -- to speed up deployment by giving access to conduits so you can roll that out faster. that is important as well. it needs to be balanced with the power of local communities to protect themselves, historic landmarks, the beautification of their neighborhoods. i hope the fcc balances those concerns. there should be a way to strike that balance. host: brent? guest: thanks for the question. talking about issues -- public rights of way -- public rights of way have traditionally been used in ways that carriers who were already there would exclude

other carriers from getting in. i do not want to use public rights of way to hook these companies. in the past, when it came to telephone cable, there was a to giveor space monopolies. the policy we have had for nearly 20 years -- despite the rhetoric, there were billions of dollars in investment. speeds rose exponentially. speeds rose 50 times more than 15 years ago. speed is something you cannot find in other areas. guest: we have monopolies because it is so expensive to

deploy that so few companies can afford to do so, especially in rural areas. it is not the fcc set a monopolies, it is companies. guest: we agree. areas, there are big financial issues. is no longer government policy to have monopolies. we are dealing with the overhang of that. host: i want to get your reaction to a tweet that point out in one way net neutrality is impacting universities. if you do not what hearing is, dreaded net neutrality fast lanes. every university has puring -- peering arrangements. talk about that. guest: private institutions and even private companies that have grown large enough to create their own infrastructure can with the folks

who own the wires that connect major cities and even smaller cities. means they will exchange traffic without charging each other. they will allow the network to function the way the internet is supposed to function -- as a network of local networks. that is a good thing. host: how would these rules affect that? guest: i am not quite as concerned as the person who posted question is. this is a national market function. you are seeing google, netflix, and others build these large networks. they are peering with rock band access networks, comcast, providers. this is a national evolution that improves the services. rices, the cost of data, has been decreasing rapidly. so i am not quite as concerned as some might be. guest: with these rules going

away, it will be legal for those incumbent large isp's, backbone providers, to start to charge for those points of interconnection. that make be what the person writing is concerned about. host: i want to get to deb on our republican line. caller: good morning. i would like to say a natural market solution could also be a monopoly. let's talk playing here. let me say -- let's talk plain here. i'm a shut in, disabled person. i make $720 a month. when my mom died a few years ago, my family took out the home l cell and threw us al phones. we have cable and everything through at&t. i am trying to use the internet to do a program.

every time i get with ancestry, they have a free part, and then $20 a month to sell me my history. i do not find spending the time and going and searching. that is what a poor person does. spend the time. time is money to me. so when i go and say you cannot have this, and i have to go around, ancestry is hooked up on pbs and the koch brothers funding them, it is layer on layer. here is me sitting at home. and how do these courthouses -- host: the point is a little off the topic of net neutrality, but the points about the fear that consumers will have to pay more on top of the things that are already paying for on the internet, what do you say to that? guest: that is a concern. that is a policy it could have -- possibility it could happen.

when you have companies having to compete with internet service providers creating services in their marketplace, whether home alarm serving -- home alarm systems, services like ancestry. certainly, we see them in the video marketplace. for could create the need companies to raise rates in order to afford the double access charges that can come as a result of net neutrality going away. double access charge is pay for access to the internet, which everyone is paying for, every consumer does. then, because the internet service providers is a gate for access to the consumer, they have said they want to charge more for websites to reach the consumer. host: brent? thet: if you listen to title to proponents, you would

think this is about competition, but it is not. title ii rules apply to all internet service providers, not just the big ones and those with market providers. they apply to tiny whisps serving rural kansas. had a successful formula until 2015. i hope we will return to that light touch approach. host: robert is on our democratic . -- democrat line. caller: we are providing not only monopolies but private monopolies. many rural communities have only one provider. i am concerned about the contracts you are asked to sign. anyagree you will not join class action. you agree you will go in for physical damages. you agree that, no matter from breach of visitation, contract, or any other theory of liability, you agree you will go to arbitration.

that gets to, court, you agree you will waive your right to trial by jury, a seventh them into the constitution. these companies, it is accessed they are privatized in --providing to public utilities. but they want to control the content. i think that is where the great divide is. guest: thanks for the question. a lot of this is somewhat tenuous with the net neutrality debate we are having. contract law is generally state law. there are certainly problems with contracts. they can be coercive. that should be up to states attorneys general. guest: this is not a net neutrality concern. it is a concern when you have a monopoly market. you describe your local monopoly market well. when you have a monopoly, and

consumers have -- you see these forced arbitration clauses, that say if you have a concern, you cannot sue. that you have to go into arbitration. we have opposed forced arbitration in communications law and communications services and also other markets. host: mark is calling from virginia on our independent line. caller: good morning. brent, i just wanted to give you a quick update. i have been an entrepreneur since 1987. youeems post-reagan era, have bigger companies swallowing up smaller companies. they are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. you, from aly tell true entrepreneur, what i used to think america was about, was that you could be that bill

gates out of your garage and willed something without being rich and get it to the marketplace. --t net neutrality is doing it is not a perfect formula, but at least it addresses the concept that the fcc still has a place in making sure that wherever you come from one part of america or another, you can still get in the game. one last example. at norfolk state university studying communications. we had a professor with a satellite dish in the backyard. just from a constitutional real point, he is saying that this device is on my property, and i own the airspace from infinity downward and upward. he took the case to court, and he lost. so we see now where the satellite market has gone -- host: we have only a few minutes left. i want to give brent a chance to

respond. guest: this question and the last one is -- you see these things being called net neutrality problems. it seems to be outside of what the fcc contemplated in 2015. this is not a one party idea, that the internet should be unfettered by federal regulations. bush ande clinton and six years of the obama administration's. -- administrations. it was not divisive until recently. it is a shame people are putting a lot of issues together. merger of policy is not addressed by this 2015 regulation. not a real issue, but it's one covered by the fcc and telik medications laws. guest: as used -- and

telecommunications laws. guest: as you stated, i worked with the obama administration. we tried to institute net neutrality rules. the court threw it out. the courts of the only way to have these roles is used title ii. that is why the fcc did it. they're popular. we encourage folks to continue to take part in the discussion taking part here in washington and contact members of congress and let them know they want to keep the rules. public knowledge.org/savenetneutrality. get involved so we can preserve those rules rather than have gatekeepers do what they want. host: we want to get to robert on a republican line from arkansas. caller: good morning.

satellite -- that they can use that how they want to. gowhat is going on now is back to a certain database and float -- host: we are having trouble hearing you. can you speak a little more clearly into your phone? and we all have a couple minutes, so can you get to your point? caller: the biggest problem is you can go to google and change your number, and i am getting slammed, because companies have sold our numbers to people who try to scheme you out of things. you think you take a call from your state, but they are out of california. there are only two big companies in each state, a and b.

smaller services cannot build any more towers or any more lines. but the speed made it possible to trick you out of your money -- host: all right, i want to get reaction. i know some of these things are tangential to net neutrality, but you propose to the ftc to be governing these things. should all of this be considered together? guest: yes. i think this is part of the fragility of the net neutrality debate. it distracts the fcc from frommer fraud, robo calls, other things it is able to handle. that it has devoted lots of resources to this abstract net neutrality fight. yet the federal trade commission has broad powers over many industries. i think that is where a lot of this will fall. the have a bureau of economics, bureau of consumer protection.

they have a lot of competent lawyers that can handle these problems, even if the fcc is not regulating the internet. host: dave from florida. caller: i agree with mr. lewsi'' points. i believe the senate passed to keep the rules, and the house is coming up for a vote. contactage voters to their representatives to keep the 2015 rules. host: i want to give chris and brent a few seconds for parting words. guest: i agree. there is the opportunity for the public to weigh in. that had an impact on the senate vote. contact your house of representatives members. tell them to sign on to the

discharge petition, get a vote on the floor, keep net neutrality or not. host: net neutrality -- guest: net neutrality is a very confusing issue. it has distracted it is up to the sec and lawmakers for a long time, and when the sec and lawmakers are busy doing real things, increasing broadband competition, deployment, we are looking at how to do that. local competitors are standing in the way of new competition. sec'sopeful that the decision to repeal the rules, i think it will lead to more services and lower prices for consumers over time. host: all right, christopher lewis and brent skorup, thank you both for joining us today. next up, we will have a discussion of the decline in the local news coverage, how national news organizations are trying to will the void.

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continues. host: joining us now from new ark city is michael massing, contributor at the american prospect, and he is here as part of our spotlight on magazine series to talk about his latest in the publication, which discusses the decline of local news coverage and how national news organizations are trying to fill the void. thank you so much for joining us today. guest: i am delighted to be here, thanks. first, tell us what made you want to look into this issue, local news coverage and how it impacts greeter news coverage. wast: welcome of the idea to look at the state of reporting one year after the inauguration of president trump, how well was the press doing, and actually it was not the local news that i initially started looking after but more the national coverage.

after the shock of the election and donald trump's victory, a lot of news editors felt that they had sort of missed out on what was happening in the country, and the top editor of the "new york times" says the paper had not really captured the anger and anxiety of america, so there was an effort to remedy that and to spend much more time looking on what was going on in the midsection of the country to get outside of that and to find what was going on and report it in a continued way. looked to that, and as i did, i became struck by the good-faith effort to do that and stories i was hearing, that dwindledcoverage dramatically by the summer, by fall, and i began looking into why that was an trying to document it, and i did find that

the decline of local news was one of the reasons and well-publicized how newsrooms across the country are freezing. traditionally, you have news often welling up from those bureausganizations to or two editors in washington and new york. that challenge becomes diminished. i also found i think that it is as much -- as these organizations became so captured by the story of trump in washington, you had trump, trump, trunk, and what was going missouri, and colorado was diminishing, so i talked about that in my article, future surprises. host: so the subhead on your story in the american prospect newspapers shrink and many of the national media closed local bureaus. we depend increasingly on local reporters who parachute into communities but are also likely

to be a step behind events." you're talking about how the number of reporters that we have seen in washington in the last two years have grown tremendously. i worked at a local paper who did not have a d.c. bureau for years, and now i am here. how is that part of the issue, the fact that we have the increased focus on washington is harming these local papers? guest: well, it is not harming local papers as much as i feel that well, in the case of your interesting, if you create a bureau in washington that can diminishing the coverage, it is part of the general clustering going on, it is part because of trump, and the internet. journalism, you can find a swelling of bureaus, the "washington post," the "new york

times," i think the "new york times" is up to 70 in their bureau. meanwhile, the "washington post" does not have any bureaus in the country. it has about a dozen and a half around the world, but not one in the midwest, the last time i checked. i feel that national news suffer for this. we just do not have the ear on the ground. host: you write about these organizations parachuting in perhaps before an election or something like that. how effective or ineffective do you see efforts from these national publications like the "washington post" or the "new york times" going to places like ohio or pennsylvania or florida? is that filling the void? guest: welcome i think that there is a, you know, genera gee

effort to do more of that, but the parachuting coming to take a temperature, you write a story, and then you move on to the next, and i feel that is just not a way to really get out that deep stories. i quote the top editor of the "new york times," quoting steve the biggest said stories do not break, they ooze, they well up slowly from the thend, and he cited migration of african-americans from the south to the north and the transformation of that brought about. happening in the midwest over the last 20 years or so, the frustration, the satisfaction, with jobs leaving, and i felt like journalists did not really captured by, and the parachuting, it is really hard to do that. having a team of roving correspondents, to try to

get a much more sustained effort to find these losing stories. host: michael massing is joining us from new york, a contributor at the american prospect, and we are talking about his recent piece in the magazine about how national news organizations are trying to fill the void left by the decline of local coverage. the regional lines for this discussion. if can call (202) 748-8000 you are in the eastern or central time zone's. (202) 748-8001 if you're in the mountain or pacific time zones for this discussion. excerpt fromd an your article, michael. on histe "drawing reporting in southwest ohio, alex mcginnis noticed that many of the people he spoke with lacked strong party affiliation and had profound contempt for a dysfunctional, hyper prosperous

washington that they saw as utterly removed from their lives. if you are in washington, it is your to be requested in prospects, things here or so hunky-dory that it is easy to save into thinking that everything is ok when it is not." can you talk about that difference in view between people in washington and people outside of washington? guest: yeah. i have to be careful, because there are many people in washington who are very much trying to get a broader sense, what alec is talking about is a bubble, people in new york, in los angeles, living in a bubble that are very prosperous, they tend to be more liberal than the rest of the country. i feel like people, it is just inevitable that they get caught up in their own world. they hear things going on in their own neighborhoods, their theyocial circles, but how are going to hear what is going of new york and

washington, and if anything, it has gotten worse, you hear from donald trump and everything going on, i feel taking a in new york,gy, here i am, people have dinner some of the talk about trump and what is going on in washington, and just to sort of get their mind outside of that, alec ablellis found that he was to find, get a sense of what people were saying. baltimore, and he was talking about his frustrations even in baltimore, miles from washington, he felt like people were not paying attention very much to what was going on there. host: is it entirely fair to have this idea -- and i know you had a disclaimer at the beginning of your comments about the washington bubble -- but i and a lot of my colleagues, even

though we work in washington, i'm from michigan come i have colleagues from indiana, texas, florida, missouri -- is it really fair to think orders here do not have an understanding of what a lot of people are like in other parts of the country? ah, and i added myself a little while ago, saying people do come from different and are generally interested, but when you are in washington, i think it is just lose ahat you little but of a sense of what is going on, and you get consumed what is going on. reporters look into themselves, and i'm here in new york, and i just feel i have to play constantly, and that is part of my article trying to express my own frustration, that reading our top papers, listening to network news, cable news -- forget it.

you find very little about what is going on in the rest of the country. i am really desperate to try to , but kimberly,n absolutely right, one does not want to overstress this divide. we are a divided country, but of course many journalists do keep in touch with what is going on elsewhere. host: i want to get to some of our callers. stevens calling from california. good morning. caller: good morning. he is pretty accurate. after the election, i found out that 50% of st. louis moved after the factories closed. found out that people back in the cold country were working three jobs because they were trying to make into me from having lost their jobs. coal, iextiles, and mean, those people are hurting. if i were in their position, i would reach out for help, too.

regarding this cable news, it is a shame. a soap it has become opera, and i cannot even watch them anymore, because they do not cover anything except pro trump or anti-trump. daniels? about stormy no. do i care that the russians were involved? yeah, but i have gotten tired of hearing about it. i've already made a decision about it, that they get probably every else has. the news should be doing is figure out a way to help people -- we should be exporting medicine and building medicine in that area and other things like that. host: that is related to another excerpt i wanted to read, michael -- "rather than rely on bureaus, news organizations of roving a court

correspondents who stick to the road to interview people in towns and factories, union halls and chambers of commerce, community colleges and public libraries, churches and synagogues, mcdonald's and waffle houses, looking for stories that ooze." do you think that would help cable news organizations cover things differently? guest: yes. that is something i and others no doubt share. you can watch for hours and not see a single story from outside washington or new york. 10 years ago, as i mentioned in the article, i did a parachuting into northwest ohio and traveled into i-75 from toledo down to finley. of even in five days up interviewing people, i found it

remarkable sense of anger and frustration at the loss of jobs, people talking about their jobs going to mexico and china, they were talking about nafta and trade in ways that continued to stay with me. during the 2016 campaign, i was just shocked at how little the press was delving beyond the day-to-day story into the underlying forces and stories that were taking place, and i feel if you did have a roving band of correspondence -- i mean, it is just one idea, but to put people on the road and talk to them about people, and if you said to me -- what are the stories they would find? i am not sure i could say, but i want people to go out and report what is happening and what are the stories that we need to know that are shaping our future policies? host: raburn is calling for lake dallas, texas. good morning. caller: hello, michael. man, you are spot on. i remember the day when cnn came

about, 24-hour news. imagine that. that just kicked off like gangbusters. unfortunately, today, in order cycle, the 24-hour news they are always clamoring for something to talk about just to ok, and i think in part that as a result of what you are describing, and all of these other major stations are kind of monkey c, monkey do. i remember the days of spotlight, remember that? these guys figured out all this bad stuff that was going on in the catholic church, you know, and all that stuff. host: y ie want to give michael a chance to respondah. cable news again is something that is in a way a shame, because it could do much more to inform us, and it is not.

one other thing i would like to respond in terms of what roving correspondents could find, these jobs that are picking up and going, it creates such a disruption in the community, it is not just happening sort of automatically or because of some personal forces of the global economy, these are decisions that are being taken by these companies, they are being taken on lawsuits. shareholders want your stock prices to go up. if you put pressure on the people running these companies, to cut costs, lay off people, or to move companies altogether, so the connections between people and the decisions based in wall street and what is going on in the middle of the country and all over the country, really, that has to be covered more, and i just do not see the connections being made to explain to people why these things are happening in their communities. host: one more excerpt from your piece -- he writes that the "calamitous effects of the cutbacks in local news came up

repeatedly the rise of the internet, the bottomless supply of free news, the difficulty local papers have been gaining subscribers, the takeover and stripping down of local papers by private equity " --s, the devouring of michael, talk a little bit more about that. this is one of the great ongoing problems in the news industry. you have come i can come national news organizations, the times," "the post," been the cable networks. when you look at our great regional papers in boston and miami, my own hometown of baltimore, i talked to somebody

press."detroit free when he started working there, the newsroom was at 200 plus people, and out is down to under 100. this has just been devastating. sexples like the whole abuse scandal in michigan that we recently have gone through, it was the "indianapolis star" that broke a lot of that story, the larry nassar story, and these are the types of stories that local newspapers, news organizations have been so good at bringing to the surface, which then well up to national news organizations. and there is just much less of that. tablet, people have been tearing their hair out, trying to find it, and theree have not been any good solutions here. william is calling from richmond, virginia. caller: how are you doing, ma'am? i was in a little town, 17 miles away from durham, north carolina, involved in an

accident. william, lose your tv. you are on with michael massing talking about local news coverage. go ahead. all right, william is having some trouble. i will go to bob calling in from springfield, virginia. bob, good morning. caller: thank you. wanted to ask, if in your piece, whether you think an insidiousn dimension to what you are writing in the sense that with the evaporation of local news, there is a sort of a reflection l.a., new york ism, wear come over time, the people who are forgotten, not reported on,

not heard from, they let you know how they really feel when they go to vote, but what is more conspicuous and more itidious in a way is with existing in cable news and the larger corporations, there is a smug effort to try to discount what the everyday american may the angeri think which you are tapping into is there. i would like a comment on that. thank you. guest: that is an excellent in my and i make it article, although i could have made it even stronger, but this was a sort of sensitive point, this idea of elitism and whatnot. i feel it is definitely a mindset in washington, new york. how the earlier about environment you are in, but i do feel there is a divide between many people on the coast and the

rest of the country. i encounter it all the time, even among my friends i get into discussions about what i see as a lack of understanding or even interest. i feel like that is a big problem. " runthe "new york times stories about people in the midwest and the working class people and whatnot, particularly people who voted from trump, you get a lot of anger from their readers. are becomingribers of a force of our national organization, and a lot of them are not interested in what is going on out there. they are angry over the results of the election. these are forces that do get reflected in the way the coverage is, if you talk to a lot of journalists, they will knowledge that this is a problem. thank you very much. that is an important observation. host: michael, do you think if there were more national news reporters on the ground in

places like ohio, wisconsin, florida, pennsylvania, that the result of the 2016 election would have been less surprising? guest: that is a great question. unfortunately unanswerable. i went back and looked at some of the troops i took during the election and writing that since i looked at this, and you know, the "new york times" had articles about the latino surge in florida and how real it was this time, the way women were anding against trump, reading all of this, you just came away with -- that is why a lot of people who rely on these news organizations were so shocked it would happen. i think the journalists themselves were relying on polls and on consultants and the political class itself and generally lost sight of what was going on. even politicians were surprised

by the results. hillary clinton did not go to wisconsin. that is famous now. reportingspapers were more on the anger going on in these places, the disillusionment with the political crowd in places like michigan, wisconsin, and iowa, it would have served at least as an alert i think to people. host: what about other things besides the disillusionment that a lot of the voters felt, and that was expressed in the polls, but what about a lot of the issues you have also seen coming out, division, when it comes to division based on race, other issues? you think those things were undercovered as well? guest: absolutely. one of the points i try to make in my piece grew out of a conversation i had with an editorial page writer at the "detroit free press," after the election, there was a lot of attention on the white working class.

this editorial writer is african-american himself, and he said a lot of the black working-class has many of the same concerns, and this idea of white working class and black working-class, which became polarized in the press a great "eal, "new york times reporter told me that these factories are very much mixed racially, and it is not the "deer hunter" anymore, referring to that old movie. today, alec macgillis, who you quoted earlier, is in baltimore, and he is very frustrated about the lack of coverage of issues in baltimore after freddie gray. you need sustained coverage. you cannot just go in and write a story once a month or once every two months. i argue in my piece you are taking a city, the "washington post" would take baltimore, or omahauis, or, you know,

or some other city that goes through problems and use it as a laboratory to find what is really going on and what are the solutions. people want to know how can we deal, i mean, the poverty in this country is so extreme, and it gets pushed aside. what are the reasons for it, and what are the solutions? i would like to see more of that kind of reporting. host: ken is on the line from new york. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you very much. i guess the essence of my question is can you speculate on the motive of the people who own and operate fox news? let's just leave it at that. 10 years ago, i alluded to going to ohio, and i foxat that time watching and listening to talk radio regularly and was struck by how people were not really paying that much attention to it, and i

felt like they were huge influences on the population. borenk the 2016 election that out. fox along with cnn and msnbc are all driven by profit motives, ultimately, and they have come up with a formula that is extremely profitable. part of the reason why you do not see much local news from the rest of the country on these organizations is it costs money. if you have talking hits in a studio in washington or new york, it will cost very little. fox of course is highly ideological. there is no question about that. snbc is,in bc is, -- m too, and cnn has become more partisan as well. are less known to me than the influence and the effect of what they are doing, extremely strong

and continues to be in shaping the minds of a certain part of the electorate. host: robert is on from indianapolis. hi there. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. as a person who considers himself to be a news, store, i enjoy the "indianapolis star." i have been reading it for years. my question or my concern is we had a few conversations about story on stormy daniels, it is not the fact that the coverage of stormy daniels is a lot, it is the fact that the president lied about it. if he would lie about something so trivial, why would he not lie about something so big? that is all because of the national news coverage that has broken story after story after story.

host: michael, i only have a few seconds left, but talking little bit about or the national networks getting things right in some ways? are the things that people need to know? guest: i think that in terms of exposing the president's misrepresentations, or whatever word you want to use, i think they have been extremely aggressive. i think that has been a real service. journalists used to shy from using the word "lie." the "new york times" now uses it regularly. i think that is a decision that they consciously made. and it has gone and the other direction, so aggressive and sometimes one-dimensional that i would like to see more dimensions to it. but i do not think our news organizations should be faulted for not being aggressive enough in covering the president and his statements. host: all right, michael

massing, a contributor to the american prospect. you can find his piece that prospect.org. you can find the magazine on theprospect. michael, thank you for joining us today. guest: thank you for having me. host: coming up, we will be taking more calls for open phones for the remainder of the program. democrats can call (202) 748-8000.republicans , (202) 748-8001.and independent s, (202) 748-8002. but first, this week's "newsmakers" talked with the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, congressman schiff of california, and he expressed some concerns on president trump' focus on a summit meeting betweens north korean leader kim jong-il and. -- kim jong-un. [video clip] were looked like we

going to have a nice, pleasant meeting in singapore, and then there was noise that this conversation was going to be only about getting word of our nuclear programs, we are not so is -- interesting -- not so interested. do you think the summit meeting is in peril now? rep. schiff: i do not think it is in peril, but it is not surprising that we see this tactic from the north koreans. if thingse surprising went smoothly. it would be surprising if the north koreans had some sort of its if any and they were ready to come hat in hand and give up their nuclear weapons program and their missile program. this is their tradition. they go through broad periods of confrontation followed by short periods of conciliation. when you are in a consolatory phase in a negotiation, they would use various strategies to seek to improve their leverage able,e bargaining t seek to divide the alliance against them.

we need to fully expect this. if the president had gone into this with some sort of exhortation that he had won over kim jong-un o with saber rattlig, that is naïve. have successfully entered into agreements with north korea, they have cheated. one thing that will be essential as having a very strong verification regime. i feel that this will go forward. what worries me is the president, our president seems so that's renowned for an agreement having walked out of the wrong agreements, having built up souch and much of in expectation that things will be different, and he has this great relationship now with kim jong-un. may have very well concluded that the president of united states needs this now more than he does. >> do you think he is too eager now to get a deal on north korea, having talked about war for months and months, he is too eager to get a deal? rep. schiff: i think it is

realistic. >> "washington journal continues. host: for the rest of the show, we will take your calls. looking at newspapers across the the front page of the galveston county daily news has grieves" asanta fe mass shooting at a school in texas. here, the "new york daily news" front cover, with the texas massacre, there have now been more teachers killed by guns in u.s. schools than active military deaths in 2018. no headline can do this justice. herald"n, "the boston -- "all-too-familiar," the headline there. finally, the "chicago sun-times," another american massacre. we are taking your calls now.

john is on the line from california on our independent line. good morning, john. caller: good morning. i really enjoy you guys. informative than i think with any of the others, that have the academic bigotry in the news media today. one side or the other. example, they are talking about president being a liar, but you go back to johnson and the situation with the news media, or if you want to use one of our president bush's "read my lips -- no new taxes." "idid not have sex with that woman," that the mediaho

jumps right on and do not go through the totality of it and research it out. just the latest thing talking ifut the animal situation, you saw the whole thing, which i saw on c-span, he was talking not, you know,c, talking about the individuals from the south. i really appreciate you as well, emotionless, and you allow individuals to talk, and i appreciate that, but the thing is, the depth of the newspapers, they are not die in. -- dying. i have read, iat get several magazines, justapers, and they are sensationalizing. they wanted, the bottom line is money, when it comes to the

ability of individuals getting thatmation, i do not think individual on facebook or any others -- there is a lot of information out there. some of it is good, some of it is bad. that is based on the intelligence of the individual willing to research it out. host: other headlines today, "the hill" is reporting that the u.s. is ending aid for northwest syria. it says "the trump administration is reportedly pulling assistance from northwest syria as it seeks to set the u.s. up for a quick withdrawal from the country once iraq andic state in syria is defeated."

host: michael is on the republican line from great falls, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. i personally think that donald 60 years my lifetime, and plus, has been the greatest man i have ever known. everybody i talked to said he has done great things for them, in a practical way, and he is actually doing things and set of just talking about things like any other politician. this man actually achieves things. i hope from now on our new is a businessman, somebody that can actually do something instead of just talking about it. i am very impressed with everything, and it is nice to

hear from somebody that is very proud of america. i am very proud of america. and i am just very happy with everything, and i thank you for listening. host: all right. is on the line coming from east hampton, connecticut on our independent line. i am sorry, eileen. good morning. caller: that is ok. thank you very much for taking my call. i wanted to thank c-span for just providing us with this service, to hear some different points of view, and also to express our own points of view. honestly, i appreciate the patience that you hosts show with some of the callers, because sometimes the comments -- and i do not mean ideological comments. that is not what i'm talking about. sometimes the comments are

personal, and quite frankly, i think they are rude. and you guys show a wonderful not of patients with the people and appreciating -- i don't know what they are saying or whatever. that is the main reason that i called in. thank you very much, c-span. host: another headline from rollcall says that republican divide and mistrust views the farm bill in the house. reporting says that the farm bill defeat friday was not the outcome house republican leadership was expecting. gop leaders headed to the floor for the vote to with an inclusive -- with an inconclusive whip count.

host: it was noturse enough, the freedom caucus opposed it and helped keep that bill from passing. the author of that report, lindsay mcpherson, from rollcall, is joining us now on the phone to explain a little bit more what happens around the farm bill going on. lindsay, thank you for joining us today. guest: thanks for having me on. host: take us to the lead up to this vote. it is very rare that leaders will put a vote to the floor that they do not know will pass. what happened here? that: it is extremely rare they would do that. typically in this case where they know that there is a shot, and they felt like it was going to pass ultimately. it was a gamble, but leading up to it, this is where things kind

of got off track. they knew they had to continue with new members. they felt like ok, next week we will work on amendments, we will kind ofryone comfortable on the bill, because they will have a broader amendment to make it better. if they could address it that way. night, the caucus met and decided that this will bill would be a good leverage point to force a vote on immigration. moderate republicans have been gathering signatures on a petition for a queen of the hill votes that was set up for votes immigration, and ultimately under that process, that was passed, one that mostly democrats with support and only a handful of republicans and conservative republicans do not want to let that pass quickly. they wanted to stop it by having a vote on one of those bills, which is the conservative good

luck bill with the house judiciary chairman, and they felt like bring that up before, if effectively killed the discharge position. host: let's back up a little bit and explain exactly what this would havefarm bill, done, and the fact that it has not passed, what impact that would have. isst: well, the farm bill mostly, 70% of it is food stamps, the nutrition program, it would reauthorize that. the rest of it authorizes agricultural programs. to current farm bill is set expire september 30, so there is a need to act by the end of september, so they do have some time. the reason this particular bill with so important for house republican leaders is because they had made some changes to the food stamp program to include more strict to work

requirements. when people take the benefits, they would have to go through or otherwise work, i think it is roughly 20 hours a week. they feel like by overhauling with a program, but they are going to be able to push more people off welfare and into the workforce, and that was an important campaign priority. "ost: the "washington post states that the dramatic failure farm bill demonstrated the turmoil inside the republican party as president trump and his allies try to force the gop toward a one hard-line stance immigration, also a blow to house speaker paul ryan. .alk a little bit about that are you seeing turmoil within the republican caucus on the hill? guest: yes, that is an ongoing issue, particularly in immigration, where they are really divided.

but the republican congress have a lot of fissures. they have had it for a while. it is just in the public for everyone to see. this was a partisan bill. they did not work with democrats on it. it is something they should have been able to work together and pass. for republicans to sink a republican bill is pretty dramatic. on immigration going forward, yes, there's a lot of divide. thewhole thing came out of petition that conservatives and even leadership does not like the discharge petition, so there is this ongoing battle about how do we deal with immigration to stop this discharge petition. host: all right, lindsey roll thankom you so much for joining us today. thanks again. to take are continuing

your call to we will go to sam for visiting on our republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. my call.r taking i just wanted to point out -- host: we lost sam. we are having a little bit of an issue with our phone. please be patient with us. charles from new jersey on our independent line, are you there? caller: i am here. host: go ahead. caller: this whole thing with the republicans, i mean, i am an independent. i vote for the man, not the party. this split in the republican party is crazy. they should be working together to get these things past. -- passed. some of the people in the republican party are not real happy with donald trump, but they should support the president more is what i think. as far as this immigration thing, something has to be done.

what, where, and when is another question, but that should be hashed out and brought to a head. that is how i feel about it. thank you. host: ok. in some other headlines today, the "new york times" is reporting that the u.s. and south korea are planning to discuss north korea's bright future when they meet at the white house next week. it says --

host: lawson is calling on our republican line from alexandria, louisiana. good morning. caller: good morning. i hope you had a happy and blessed mother's day last sunday. i really enjoyed you when you are the interviewer and stuff. my big thing is i saw an african american at the cheesecake factory. no other news media but fox news covered it. word andlled the "n" stuff. i am just curious, when black republicans are attacked wearing trump stuff, why doesn't the news media cover that? white is fox, rush limbaugh, why

do they have to cover it? put your flags out, it is fallen officers week. god bless you, ma'am. host: leon is calling from waldorf, maryland on the democratic line. caller: good morning. host: what is on your mind today, leon? caller: i cannot understand why this nation that is supposed to be a great nation, and i heard the person calling from south carolina, the guy from louisiana, and they are talking about certain things about the fox network and everything, but they are hiding a lot of feelings, and i think the investigation should go on, and not only that, i think the speaker of the house, the nuñez, and congressman they should be investigated also because there are a lot of

things that are not coming out, and they should be for the public. thank you. host: this weekend, our c-span cities tour will explore the american story of booktv and american history tv, travels to soma, alabama -- selma, alabama. at 5:30 p.m.,y the programming will air together in one time block. the jackson family home where martin luther king jr. often visited and used as his headquarters to plant the selma to montgomery march. [video clip] that president lyndon johnson address the nation, march 16, 1965, he ended that speech by echoing the way that dr. martin luther king jr. used so often in the civil rights movement. there was a photographer here who worked for "life" magazine

of the time who was embedded in the house, and he wanted to capture dr. king's emotions as he watched on television president johnson committing to signing the voting rights act. this is the chair that dr. king was sitting in that night, watching that television. president johnson addressed the nation. make sure to tune in this weekend to put it in american history tv as we travel to selma, alabama, and to watch videos of soma and all the videos that we visited on our c-span cities tour, go to c-span.org/citiestour. gregory is calling in from pennsylvania. what is on your line today, gregory? caller: i am calling to talk about the school debt. it is sickening. a combat veterans from

vietnam. these people doing this should not have lawyers or politicians or whatever talking about it, they should be taken out, put in hung and once,n they are hung, cremated. grave andte on their have that buried in a pigpen. that is what i think. put that in the paper and see how many of these nuts keep on being that's. nuts. story -- end of story. host: ron is on the republican line. good morning, miss kimberly. i watch c-span a lot. i was thinking about when the

president is on guard, none of it is perfect. aes served in the vietnam war total of 18 months, and my brother served for a total of two years. we are both elite soldiers. i was drafted in 1963. waiting president is doing these , alls, on this farm bill of these people up in upstate in thek, when i was army, we would go back and forth for training to new york, and i would see all of these cows out. i went back there again one year, and they had buildings up. you cannot treat the farm people like that. that is no way to treat our farmers. i am waiting to see what they're going to do with this farm bill, how it is going to work. host: norman is on the line in new jersey on our democratic

line. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to comment on the sed cuts that were just pas this past spring, specifically the corporate tax cut from 36% to 21%. a lot of companies that were basing their operations and their money overseas were going to bring back to america, the money was going to be repatriated and help our economy. past governor of pennsylvania, at rendell, suggested that when this money comes back in the taxes are assessed and realized from it, they would be put right into the infrastructure problem that we have in this country, that would put americans back to work, and anybody who drives across no set our roads and bridges need to be repaired badly, and it will stimulate our economy. thank you so much. "ost: the "washington post

reports president trump will nominate an insider to head the department of veterans affairs. the veterans affairs acting secretary robert wilke as the permanent leader. host: tim is on the line from michigan on the independent

line. caller: hello, kimberly. host: what is on your mind today? ,aller: i have got to tell you you have a a lot of nerve to not show up last week. i was scared. you could have at least let us know. your the best one. skinar as these thin- republicans, oh, she was on to remind them that you worked for the "boston herald," so did i, the most republican rag. i'm getting tired of people calling on the republican line and democrat line crowding the lines, calling it only the lines that you actually represent. they are crowding out democrats in their crowding out independents like me. i think you ought to have a third line for actual third-party people. yeah, and i'd like to say

keith in madison, keep calling. montana, ih love hearing from you. where have you been? you want to find illegal immigrants, go to boston. you will round up a bunch. you want to find illegal immigrants, go to the erie pub. visitingcome here on these is and they stay here to avoid paying child support. trust me on that. i know anyway, kimberly, if you are not going to show up, at least give us a heads-up up that you will not be here, because i was worried. we already lost jeff. i don't lose you, too. host: [laughs] robert dold on come on the republican line, good morning. caller: i am calling on the republican line, but i voted for

obama twice. abysmal.ut is i think we all had 28% of the overall population that could vote that did vote. i talked to my young kids, and i asked them, you know, what do your friends think? and they don't. their force at the time they get their driver's license to register to vote. that really does not help the situation much. as far as the news, i am so glad that you guys have become a regular part of my media diet. i appreciate it. thank you very much. host: wayne is on the democratic line calling from east river falls, minnesota. hi, wayne. ade.er: it is we host: sorry, wade. apologize for to

any disparaging comments so and made earlier about you and talk about the shooting in texas. i can't really say that it is he had aak-47's, shotgun, a pistol. so how do you fix it? is it metal detectors at the doors? teachers?ng unwilling or is a parenting classes? i am just wondering how do you fix it? host: coming up tomorrow on "washington journal," we will have former white house press secretary sean spiceto discuss president trump's relationship with the media. author tol have an discuss his book "stand up: how america became ungovernable."

about northk korea's threat to cancel the summit with the u.s. that is it for today's "washington journal." we will be back tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] great saturday. ♪ announcer: coming up next on c-span, a hearing with homeland security secretary kirstjen , followed by president trump discussing century cities with local officials from california. the center for american progress holds its annual torican ideas conference discuss the economy and rule of law under the trump

administration with lawmakers, journalists, and former cabinet officials. this weekend, c-span cities tour takes you to selma, alabama. we will cross the bridge arriving at a town known for its role in both the civil war and the civil rights movement heard -- movement. at 5:30 p.m., we will visit the home dr. martin luther king jr. you says his headquarters as he planned his selma to montgomery march. >> there was a photographer who work for life magazine and he dr. king'sapture emotions as he watched on television president johnson committing to signing the voting rights act. this is the chair dr. king was sitting in that night watching that television. president johnson addressed the nation. >> we will meet the first

african-american fire chief alan , talking about these -- his book, "marching through the flame." we'll look at the voting rights movement that started in the 30's. secretary -- homeland security secretary kirstjen on capitol hill this week to talk about ports of entry, these is for temporary foreign workers, election security and policy concerning the separation of children from undocumented parents. this is two hours, 15 minutes.