wednesday, and eastern, a discussion on violent extremism and the role of the state department at the hudson institute. at 2:00 p.m., the wilson center looks at transatlantic relations after the u.s. withdrawal from the iran nuclear agreement. on c-span two, the national league of cities releases the state of cities report examining urban trends and priorities. at noon, the cato institute considers congress' war powers and how congress can reassert itself in the decision process. at 2:30 p.m., the state of climate action in the u.s. and globally at the world resources institute. coming up, american federation of teachers' president will be talking about policy. hunt on the, jeff

state of conservatism in the u.s. piece --30 a.m., sarah sarah pierce on border policy and immigrant children. ♪ host: a report that legislators plan to take action on pulling back $15 billion of plan to federal spending once congress gets back. the publication adding that house republican leaders thinking support for the measure. bloomberg reporting republicans in the senate have a better chance of holding onto power after this november's midterm elections, the news agency basing it on economic growth and an uptick in approval ratings for president trump and strong republican winners. it is the "washington journal."

with the cancellation of "roseanne" over a racist week aimed at valerie jarrett, we want to hear from you about the cancellation of her show and if you think it was appropriate by the network. many have praised the move, others saying other figures are staying on the air, even after making crude remarks. you can talk about the decision, the larger issue at play, whether it is a free speech issue or not. if you support the move 202-748-8000. ,if you oppose it, 202-748-8001. , tell us why on our twitter and post onan wj, our facebook page. the tweet that started it off was sent by the creator of "roseanne," which was directed at valerie jarrett. here is the tweet that started this from her getting fired.

this was followed up by an "i apologize the valerie jarrett and all americans. i am truly sorry for making a bad joke about her looks. i should have known better. my joke was in bad taste." also adding that she apologized, saying she would leave hurt twitter account, but it remains active. that prompted a response from leadership about the cancellation of her show, robert eiger who said this, the president of nbc entertainment saying, "the statement is abhorrent in inconsistent with our values and we've decided to cancel her show. there is only one thing to do here and that is the right thing." those are some of the statements from yesterday. it prompted a series of opinion pieces. one by someone from slate magazine, talking about the decision, saying as i was writing about it, thinking it would never be canceled, i was

trying to articulate what has been so tricky but the reboot, which was the utility of its immorality, going on to say trump voters could watch and feel seen, heard and flattered, and allow them to imagine themselves as roseanne conner, tough and funny and not racist. as false as the fantasy is, it -- first gaming america, a pressure release but also trump voters, a non-toxic way for progressives to observe said child voters. if you read the magazine on their website, they posted yesterday about this. saying, "roseanne is crazy and her remark is in character. nobody is allowed to pretend that rosanna finally -- or so such nonsense. social media turns of the volume on statements and provides a platform to pillage the

perpetrator to submission. the network leadership had to watch them reaching for their pitchforks and feel the pressure to respond. there is nothing technically wrong about this, abc could add -- end any of its shows. and yet i think we should be worried about what will come of this. roseanne was by some accounts an interesting show the offered insights into the trump working-class american family that is not often grade their tv screens, but like most of us they live through their differences and accomplishments, showing that critics do not -- something that critics do not get much credit for." "can a person find roseanne interesting without endorsing roseanne the person? nothing about roseanne's major has fundamentally changed."phase e are some of the larger issues at play.

we will give you a chance to comment on the phone lines. if you support the move 202-748-8000. ,oppose it 202-748-8001. ,joe, who supported the move, you are on. caller: listen, good morning. thank you for c-span. roseanne barr a fan, not by a long shot. however, i have two points. one, we have to be very careful in how we do this. we have gone so monotonous that -- monotonous -- in washington dc, you know, you can criticize people and do this, but we used to go back and forth -- look at characters,ve two remember the jeffersons? both of them were racist shows,

but they stayed on tremendously, and we watched them and they said some things, some real definitive racist comments. but yet, guess what, they did not get fired, there shows did not get canceled. the factin favor of that they did cancel her show, because of the way she did it, because she was continuously doing it, but we have to be careful in how we do this. -- : we will go to ane jane and cincinnati, ohio. caller: yes, i am from cincinnati ohio. i always thought her show was really funny. i liked it. i never understood why they canceled it when they did. ladies, id those old cannot think of their names, but they are really funny too. host: what do you think about

the creator's tweets and at that leading up to the cancellation of the program? caller: she did not do anything thaton her tweets, then on democrat with the redheaded lady, with the president's head in her hand, with blood draining down and stuff like that. host: you may kathy griffin, the comedian? caller: yes, i do not think that was funny at all. host: her show got canceled, she was removed from certain shows. caller: ok. how about when they killed the um, onstage or something like that? , those democrats are allowed to say anything they want to, they have the right of free speech, but us republicans, we do not have a right to speak. host: that is jane in cincinnati, ohio.

on twitter, a viewer saying, "they have a right to cancel any show. they might want to think about the backfire. they will lose millions in revenue." adding about the financial decisions made on the network level. sophia, who supports the move, she is in the box. good morning -- bronx. good morning. . caller: i am so proud of abc. we have been so stressed the last few years, all of us, we know it. this is the beginning. we are going to have a peaceful word. when i saw this last night the rally of president trump, i see children hearing that screaming, that anger, that fear he brings. host: apologies, sticking to the topic at hand, what do you think about the decision by abc and why do you support it? oneer: because it is always

us with whatsturbs we are doing from how we live, because without the media, we truth to knowe what is going on and this is a start. abc, i am so proud of them. if they take one disturbance, it en like a cult, one person, th 10 or 100 people follow them. i am so in peace. we are going to have peace. we are going to be happy, because god loves the united states of america. host: pat in illinois. go ahead. caller: good morning. i suppose it because -- oppose

it because it is not anything different than with "roseanne," i think it is a political thing. host: you do not think the nature -- caller: and with obama. host: you do not think the tweet went too far? caller: with roseanne? host: yes. caller: i do not think so. it has been the norm with her. it was in "all in the family," and with "the jeffersons." host: from texas, a supporter of the move, carol. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span and for taking on this topic. i know it is controversial. i want to remind people, this is nothing new to have somebody popular in the media lose their job over it, they made. and these are comments that were not made in the course of the show or anything, or as a joke on the show, they were made in

real life after show hours, or made in real-time. the people should remember howard cosell, who was on monday night football and lost his job over a single comment. then remember jimmy the greek who was on sports tv? these people, this is not anything new for somebody to say a racist comment, then find themselves out of a job. this is the correct thing to do. this is an old, old racial slur. not something she made as a joke in the course of her show. it is something she made in real-time about a real person. not done in the course of a show or trying to be entertaining or anything else, so i think this is the right move by abc. host: the new york times profiles the decision-making that took place, featuring a picture of the head of nbc's -- abc entertainment, who made the

decision, saying it was striking that she and not one of her superiors, not a spokesperson or spokeswoman, through such statements are a tribute, condemned her and to declare the end of "roseanne." she became an instant celebrity. -- people rushed to she and african-american. it goes on to say that she has encountered her share of difficulties, some involving diversity, since taking over abc entertainment. she was criticized, along with bob sherwood, for putting on the rebooted "roseanne" in the first place, especially after the uproar after comedies like "fresh off the boat." missn a blow to abc, to netflix ind

august after the streaming service gave her a lucrative multiyear deal. and abc's relationship with another important minority show creator, kenya there is, has deteriorated in recent months. episoder, abc pulled an thate show "black-ish" examines race relations in america in a pointed fashion. if you support this move 202-748-8000. ,oh pose it 202-748-8001. it, 202-748-8001. dave in maryland. caller: i think that this country is getting a bit of control. everybody's getting so upset. this has been going back since preschool and kids in elementary school.

and i think they made a bad move on this. it was a good show coming back and networks are in trouble. i see this all day long, all the streaming networks are coming out. all the local networks, there are big problems. they made a bad move. host: you do not think there was an issue with a tweet directed at valerie jarrett, about the muslim brotherhood and planet of the apes had a baby. caller: there was a lot of stuff for spam that. -- stuff worse than that. look at the jeffersons, laypeople said, all the stuff back then was crazy. that is the nature of hollywood. everybody knows it is hollywierd. i have seen out there. i have talked to them. that is the nature of them, they are in the spotlight. host: valerie jarrett was the person that roseanne barr was referencing, she did a forum

taking a look at race issues and one of the questions she was asked about was the tweet, and ultimately roseann losing her show. here is her response. >> i think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. i am fine, i am worried about all the people who do not have a circle of friends and followers who come to their defense. the person walking down the street, minding their own business, and they see somebody cling to their purse, or walk across the street, or everybody para i know he'll have to have a conversation with her boy, or a talk as we call it, and those ordinary examples of racism that happen every single day. host: let's hear from linda, who is in mississippi, supporter of the decision. go ahead. caller: good morning. i absolutely agree with their decision. usednne has always

inflammatory language. i guess she thought because she had a high rated show and the her,dent, you know, likes she can just say racist things. that was pure and simple racism. she has the right to say what she wants, but the first amendment gives her the right to say what she wants to say, but there are consequences. look at colin kaepernick, he protested silently and everybody gone him. he lost his job, cannot work. if you want to stand up and defend this country and be what this country is supposed to be, do it. but you have consequences. things before and this happened. this is the age of donald trump,

he may be able to get by with it, but this is a warning to those, you cannot do without full does -- fool does. host: a viewer off of our feed says, "i oppose the double standard. this is the main reason so many are mad. let one side say and do it ever, yet the other side is punished for almost the same action." post, today, this something you can find online, here is why a roseann supporter thinks her tweet was forgivable. "the committee and bill martin has compared -- mahr has compared donald trump to an ape. these get classified as jokes, he can keep his show and not have his life ruined. the difference, he is a liberal, roseanne is a trump supporter." another example about jimmy kimmel who made an insensitive joke about the first lady.

"do you remember when jimmy kimmel's show got canceled because of his jokes about the first lady? me neither." joy behar, a tweet about her, "why was her contract not canceled, she mocked mike pence during the view." james from tennessee. hello. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. yes, i am in favor of canceling the show. during the time of "the jeffersons," and archie bunker, they did say some stuff almost shows, but those -- that was on the show. hello? host: go ahead. caller: they did not come out and personally tweeted about somebody being an ape. georgia jefferson said "honky"

and archie bunker said all kinds of stuff, but that was on the show. roseann, i never really cared for, but i watched. and when you say things personally about people because you can, because donald trump said it. host: caller from virginia. supportive of the move. caller: here is what i have to say. first of all, roseanne, you know how social media works. that was a bad move it from the get-go. first of all, she knew what would take place. you know, that is stupid. these apologies that come after these things, you know, it looks so weak. it looks like what happens when you are in a debate with someone and they cannot think of anything better to say, so they resort to name-calling, or you know, resorts to somebody's

looks. i do not understand how her looks and politics go hand in hand. i do not understand the comparison of what a white comedian might say about a white person, as opposed to what a white comedian might say about it but person. -- black person. at the end of the day, you insulted this woman. it is like your brain, your brain span is like a zero. commentingrt to about this moment.i do it not understand why she insulted her in the first place. it is not helping with what is going on in the country right now, it is making it worse. last night at this rally, donald trump said that, you know, pride in america and pride in the flag, yet she doesn't understand, or his comment was, what is that about as far as

people who are standing up and protesting against things taking place in this country. host: we will leave it there. she is referencing the president speaking in tennessee in support of a candidate. you can see it on our website, the comments made by the president. again, the cancellation of the "roseanne" because of a tweet from its creator, roseanne barr. the topic for our our, 20 minutes we have done it, we would do it for another 40 minutes. if you support the move 202-748-8000. ,if you oppose it 202-748-8001. ,roseanne barr still sending out tweets about it. "i think i know what really happened. it has made me mad, but as i told you, i would leave when they started to censor me, so it all works out." chris in highland, new york. go ahead. caller: i oppose the move.

the show is to successful not to be picked up by a cable network. because it should be, she should work through her problems and do her penance on the show. racist, issue, it is but what she is doing should be looked at and examined, and worked out on the show. host: do you think audiences will find that acceptable, or at least it would satisfy i guess the outrage over this incident? caller: i think it will, because when people calm down they will be willing to give her a second chance. host: roseanne barr with another "iet, 1:18 a.m., saying heard it was because of a boycott of the advertisers on the show by people who do that sort of thing." she said she would get off twitter, but still continuing to tweet on the topic. chris opposing the move in new

york, now we will go to virginia. hello. you are on. caller: i am from jessica biel beach -- chesapeake beach, maryland. she has been doing this for years, like the early 1990's. saying -- crazy joke, singing and then grabbing her crotch. shost: so you are saying in this case the decision was a good one by abc? caller: yes, because it has been going on for years. she has had second and third chances. you cannot, the difference between today and "the a betters," you can do job of keeping your kids away from that kind of stuff. they did not have to watch that show back then, but now you have

tablets, all kinds of ways for the kids to see this. they can see it, roseanne barr is pretty cool, then they will go start doing stuff like that, because that is what kids do. it does not make it right. abc did the right thing. host: twitter reaction from different fronts on this decision. is timees saying, "it for you to start back against the thought police and shake them up. you have been on the show before it is time for you to come back on." also a tweet from other sources. taking a look on this decision. they have been coming in not only on the twitter feed for these other sources, but also on our c-span feed. if you are saying, "i do not support the move, despite the fact i do not watch the show. the democrats can get away with far more than republicans can on tv." a caller from maryland.

hello. caller: good morning. i used to watch the old "roseanne" in the 80's and 1990's as a little kid, and i wanted to see the review -- re boot. and i watched the show and it was a very good show. heri was not aware of comment that she made about susan rice in 2013, essentially saying something racist about her. of she does have a history saying racist comments. and i am an african american woman, i was willing to watch her show, like i said before, because as a kid i watched her old show, but she does have a history. and her show should be canceled, pointe we need to make a

that this is not acceptable. i noticed people who are opposing this, 90% of the people calling in for the show not to be canceled are white. i think that should be noted, because calling an african american woman an ape is racist, plain and simple. host: another supporter of the decision by abc, representative john lewis who said, "thank you, you did the right thing. there is not any room in our society for racism or bigotry." some of the tweets coming in and support of the decision. you can add your thoughts on our twitter feed as his band wj, on our facebook -- on c-span wj, on our facebook page, or on the phone lines. if you support the decision 202-748-8000. ,if you oppose the decision 202-748-8001.

,al, good morning. go ahead. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you. caller: i think it is a bunch of political b.s. the democratic side, they all have stuff that they probably say too. i would not even know that she said it except for it had been on tv constantly. nbc and that. i believe there are other people who have jobs who say racial stuff, too. they do not lose their jobs over it. host: what did you think about -- caller: i think it was a good show and i think globally their loss -- i think it will be their loss. host: what did you think about the tweet? caller: she was probably talking to some of her friends.

i have been called a cracker many times, so. host: the tweet that started this, over the weekend, that started and led to the cancellation of the program, that decision made yesterday. a supporter of the move in virginia, willie. caller: am i on? host: go ahead. caller: oh, ok k. i have been calling in for two years. this is my thoughts on this. look, i agree with them doing this, but i want to say one thing really quickly. then i will let you go. i agree with the decision they made, but i do not agree with how they made the decision, because you have to look at the people on the show who are about to get fired. then again, i am tired of people talking about, this is

democratic or this is republican, or who made this decision and it is all about that. no, it is all about a person. this person is racist, a racist was made into the show decided to do the right thing because they will not continue down that road of racism. we have to stop somewhere. this is the person they decided to stop on. i am tired of people saying, the democrats did this and republicans did this, it is not about politicians. it is about a person, one person, roseanne barr. i do not watch the show, but i think the show did the right thing in getting rid of her. host: one person who gave thoughts, scott spencer saying, "sorry, but calling mike pence mentally ill because he hears voices is not on the same level of: black women apes." --

calling black women apes." john, opposed the move. go ahead, you are next. caller: good morning. that of all, i noticed most of the people who oppose this, you have something to say to them about what was tweeted. ue that weis the iss are talking about. i also noticed that the lady who called that was an african-american lady said that 90% of the calls that were opposed were white people. i have listened since we started this morning and 100% of the people that support this has been african-american. 100%. this goes on c-span every single morning. i watch you, i have been watching for years, and it has

come down to this country is maleg to put the white, america out of control. and let me tell you what. it is not going to happen paid host: there is -- happen. host: there is no way to come to that conclusion. you called us. what do you think about the decision by abc? caller: i think the decision was wrong. i think that there have been many people who have done exactly the same thing, racial type statements, and nothing has happened. it only happens now if somebody says something against black people. let me tell you what, every time this is happening there is going to be repercussions, because this is going to come to a head at some time. host: that is john in michigan. awhether you support his

positioning, or oppose it, use the phone lines. if you support the move 202-748-8000. ,if you oppose the move 202-748-8001. ,we invite you to call. if you are on hold, hang on for a few minutes as we take a other news that has come across alaska but is. joining us to talk about the decision by missouri's governor, who announced his resignation yesterday, a brian lowry of the kansas city star, their political reporter. good morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: thank you for coming on. just to show the viewers the headlines, eric greitens resigned ending his career once aimed at the presidency. set this up for us and what led to the decision. guest: this is the culmination of months of controversy in missouri. and to give viewers an idea,

this was a guy who had erictered the web domain greitens for president, years before he ran for governor, so he has always had higher ambitions. what happened a few months ago is it came out of allegations that he had photographed a woman nd,le she was boud blindfolded and partly nude, to keep her from speaking about next to marital affair. it prompted an investigation in st. louis, he was indicted by a grand jury in february. the indictment led to a house investigation and at the same time you had the attorney general's investigation into allegations of misuse of a charity donor list. so you had multiple scandals, multiple investigations, and what happened yesterday was a

court in central missouri had ordered the governor to turn over some documents, or ordered his nonprofit to turn over documents related to donors, his political nonprofit. and shortly after that is the governor announcing his resignation. so, you have to understand the governor was not in one scandal, but multiple investigations by government entities. and months of scrutiny from members of his own party to step aside. when he stepped aside yesterday, he did not apologize committee continued to point the finger and alleged he was the victim of a political conspiracy. host: stay on the line, we will show our viewers a little of the response from the governor. >> president trump's rhetoric personally on race exacerbated racism in america? >> on a personal level, it has

probably given license to people. host: that is not the clip, but talk about the governor's response, particularly he did not admit to anything, but what did he say about the rest of his term, short as it is going to be? guest: he, he officially stepped aside on friday. clear, he hasbe admitted to the extramarital affair, but he has denied all criminal wrongdoing. what he said yesterday was, that this ordeal has been designed to cause maximum pain to him and his family. that he and his friends had been victims of harassment for the past few months. si that there was no end in ght to mounting bills.

he had to do what is right for his family. he talked about how he has done nothing worthy of this treatment and how he will let the judge judge the process. it was not a contrite resignation speech, it was a resignation speech where he continued to assert, as he has all along, that he has done nothing criminal and that he is a victim of political mechanization. host: what happens on friday? the will to go over and what will happen to the government in place? guest: mike parson will officially be sworn in as the 57 governor of missouri. missouri is a state where the governor and lieutenant governor are both republicans. parson has a lot of similar policies to eric greitens, there are some significant ones, but he has a different personality.

he is a former member of the state senate, former county sheriff, and he is known as a consensus builder, where eric greitens came into office saying the legislature is corrupt and constantly had a combative relationship with lawmakers, including members of his own party. maker.is more of a deal lawmakers of both parties expect they will have a much better working relationship with parson, than they did with eric greitens. the democratic house leader, who is in kansas city, said he expects them to have an open door policy, which is not something they have had. host: what is the future of eric greitens? what kind of things could he pursue? is a life in politics, business, what is the potential? guest: that is a big question. we have been discussing that among our staff and i'm not sure

that any of us had a clear answer to that. , he will you know leave the political stage at least for a little bit. but i would not be surprised if he tries to come back into the public eye in some fashion. i think the fact that he at no point in his resignation speech it leaves open the door he could make a run for something again, that he may continue to be active in politics. this is a guy, to give people more background, who made his -- or gain recognition by running a charity that was meant to help get veterans back into the community. it was that charity at the center of some of the controversy that led to his resignation. we will have to see whether he goes back to doing charitable work, or whether he stays in

politics in some form, but he has obviously -- he is not leaving willingly. if he had his way, he would still be governor. host: brian lowry, reporting for the kansas city star, joining us to talk about the resignation of eric greitens as governor of missouri. thank you so much for your time. guest: thank you. i appreciate it. host: bloomberg reporting that republicans are maintaining an edge over democrats in their quest to keep control of the u.s. senate. this is an outcome that hinges on a dozen key races, adding with five months to go before the voters go to the polls, senate leaders say that they are -- by an uptick in president trump's approval ratings, and strong primary winners. also adding that rick scott is spending in his effort to unseat

the three term democratic senator bill nelson. the story saying the democrats face a difficult path to reverse the majority. thei likely router is to keep all of their seats on the november ballot and pick up two of the three republican seats that are competitive. and the cancellation of "roseanne" because of a tweet sent by its creator toward valerie jarrett. we are getting your thoughts on the cancellation and larger issues at play. a supporter of the decision, robert. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: well, thank you. caller: as a vietnam veteran, what life has taught me is there is consequences for not following the golden rule, do it to others as you would have them do unto you. , every single

country in the far east drove out white imperial supremacy, inrting with china, ending 1975 with vietnam. every single country in the middle east, including india under gandhi, who drove white supremacy out of their lives. 54 countries in africa, including south africa in 1993, being the last of those. host: i get the history, but related to the decision by abc. caller: the thing is, when you are a victim of white racism, it ptsd issue. it drives you crazy. if you have never been a victim of it, you do not understand it is easy for those people who are perpetrating that stuff. host: we will go to ted, an

opposer of the decision. caller: i think that what they have done, i think it was far-fetched, a little too much. i would say punish her, but not ruin her career. when presidential candidates run, they say things, they swear, call each other names. you know what i'm saying? when the president himself was said thate swore, he he would beat up some people who do not agree with him. goings a little, we are in the wrong direction on

sensitivity. host: ok, we will go to oregon. another person who opposes the move. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. yes, um. i think that abc made a huge mistake. wrong,seanne said was and it was mean, but it was like something a 6th grader would say. i think she deserves due process. i am a talent agency and i work with actors in california and new york, and let me tell you, hollywood is the industryst and bigoted you have ever seen. so what abc has been to roseanne, and i totally forgive

her, she apologized. thinku know, i think -- i it is the wrong idea. plus, about 300 people lost their livelihood. feel shed, you know, i deserves due process. host: ok, marcia in oregon who opposes the decision from abc. from west virginia, robert. caller: how are you doing? host: i am fine, thank you. caller: those donald trump supporters, what they do not understand is she made a comment outside of the realm of her program. nbc, and cbs are different animals as opposed to hbo. when bill mahr made his comments, that is on the cable network. quote roseann should do is --

what roseanne should do is get her show on cable network and she can voice her opinion is all day long, but that racist statement is not a lot on those three networks. host: that was robber, a supporter of the decision in west virginia. another political story. this from the house and senate currently on break, the possible agenda once they get back, being played out by julie grace of the hill, saying house republicans are prepared to take action on a $15 billion rescission's package coming amid a push for congress to call back spending as lawmakers return from recess. the white house considering tweaking their proposal, an idea spearheaded by kevin mccarthy of california, in discussions with president trump, as gop leadership is short on the votes to pass the measure. while the package faces pushed back, the has to be leadership

is currently whipping the measure as pressure mounts on lawmakers to flatten spending ahead of the midterm election cycle. support is growing by the day and kevin mccarthy supports the operation to send the spending cuts to the senate. the house is expected to consider it when we return." an opposer of the decision from abc, john. good morning. caller: how are you? host: fine, thank you. go ahead. caller: and this situation is a situation that could have been a great opportunity for us to continue to confront this situation. i am an african american, i grew up in the washington dc area, and although i feel that she said was repugnant, i do not agree with it, but i came up in the age of archie bunker.

and way they did in those days was the integrated individuals like say me davis junior -- s ammy davis jr. and folks like that into the show to give a different view. this could have been a platform. rosen, she can sometimes be an idiot. we all say things we regret. lamp saying, is we could've used this moment to make a bigger statement, because the children of today, they are changing. this racial thing will subside, i am telling you. i watch children play, white children, black children, chinese children. my wife is a schoolteacher and she comes home with the stories that are inspiring. so all i am saying is, i do not agree with what she said, but what i do think is we could have used this moment to make a bigger statement. host: john giving his thoughts. one of the things that played

out yesterday on matters of race with a starbucks, the coffee company, closing operations nationwide to have discussions about the issues of race, stemming from the incident that took place in philadelphia. it was the ceo who was on cnn yesterday, talking not only about the reason why they are doing it, the larger issues concerning race. >> has president trump's rhetoric on race exacerbated racism in america? >> on a personal level, it probably has given license to people to feel as if they can emulate and copy the kind of behavior and language that comes out of this administration. but having said that, the racial inequities that exist between people of color and caucasians in america is a problem that has existed. and i think we have to ask

ourselves a very important question, what kind of country do we want to live in? from my perspective, we want to live in a country in which we love and respect every american. and you have to ask yourself about the promise of america, the american dream. if it is not available to everybody, if people feel as if their station in life will not provide them the same opportunity as somebody who is white, with a better zip code, then the country will not succeed in terms of long-term aspirations. host: pamela in maryland who supported the decision. hi. caller: good morning. i absolutely support abc's position. there is excusere -- no excuse for accepting racist individuals, no matter where they are. in media, the white house, it does not matter. the racists enabled

to come out. they are sociopaths. they can be exposed, but they are not readable. they should not be tolerated. that is the price a racist should pay. cancel the show. it costs everybody, the people who had jobs, the people who she was reflecting in her tweet. her show should be canceled. host: mark in indiana. hi. caller: how are you doing? i have to agree with a couple other callers you had on earlier, marcia from oregon and john. john talked about everybody being against the white male, in particular the white christian male. the is 100% right. marcia hit the nail on the head when she talked about the most racist group. peoplen be extended to in control of the media and government.

let's talk about hollywood, it all ties them together. we have to quit being divided. abc's decision, why do you oppose it? caller: specifically, this is a jewish problem. it is already by jews. host: susan in new york. supporter of the decision. caller: first of all, i am occasion woman and i -- caucasian woman and i support this decision. the reason is because this was not an issue about what she did on her show. it is an issue about what the person says in real life. and it was totally racist and inappropriate. lots of people have mentioned "the jeffersons," and "all in the family," but they did not in their personal lives, or publicly, make racial

statements. those where the natures of the shows. i really enjoyed this new version of "roseanne," but when i heard what happened, even if she was still on, i would not be watching anymore. host: give us your thoughts for the next 8 minutes. if you support the decision 202-748-8000. ,if you oppose it 202-748-8001. ,foreign policy matters this my, this about the secretary of state expected to meet with an official of north korea to talk about the potential restarting of the talks between the u.s. and that country, saying it was the president who said, that choi, one of the most trusted aides to the north korean leader, was heading out to new york. in a reference to the summit meeting. he added, "solid response to my letter, thank you." kim will meet this week with

mike pompeo. his trip starts the most important track toward the summit. and a group met at the demilitarized zone and logistics experts have been talking with north koreans in singapore about arrangements for the meeting there. but a trip to the united states has served the signaledince 1945, negotiations were reaching a critical point, because he would be the highest-ranking north korean official to reach the nine states since 2000, when the vice marshal invited president clinton to pyongyang. it never came to fruition. that story from the new york times. if you go to u.s. today, the president talking china policy, saying that imposing a $50 billion chinese imports, saying

it moves up the ante for talks for this weekend when wilbur ross will return to beijing in an attempt to get trade talks back on track. those talks will come with the threat of new terrorists, with the white house laying out a deadline, specify which chinese goods, up to $50 billion worth, will be subject to a 25% tariff. new investment restrictions and controls to be imposed on industrial technology will be announced on june 30. george in clarksville, tennessee. who opposed the move. tweet: i heard about the and my first thought was i did not know valerie jarrett was black. that was the first thing that came to my mind. i did, i had no idea she was black. and the second thing is, they can cancel any show they want.

kind of ridiculous. journale wall street talking about the stock market, this lady to activities in italy, political upheaval there and other matters. saying it is the political upheaval that drove a retreat from risky assets on tuesday and sent u.s. stocks tumbling and yield into their largest decline in two years, six years after the eurozone stepped back from the brink of a breakdown. investorso -- pushing toward the safety of the dollar in the japanese yen which rallied sharply. that was in the wall street journal this morning. decision, goof the ahead. caller: sorry. i worked in the fields growing up besides white people and i think that roseann, i support

the decision and i think that roseanne barr is a piece of white trash. i am sorry. host: sammy in ohio, opposes the decision. in springfield, good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i think that they should back on theeanne tv, because if that was a black person doing it, they would not make, they would have done nothing. or would they? you do not know. if this was a black person, would they do it? the gentleman before me, roseanne is not white trash. come on. he just called her white trash. host: from michigan, randy. go ahead. caller: good morning. i would like to start by thanking you and all the other men and women who bring us this great show, it is a great

service to the nation. i agree with abc, i think that was their business decision. me.i wentt confuses to work on an assembly line and the only thing i worried about, because i hear people say it is what she said in her personal life. where i come from, honestly, being on the assembly line, that is all he can relate to. i did not really care what the person was like outside of the shop. as long as they did their job, so i could do mine. any more than the person next to me cared what i did outside of the shop. theyng as i did my job, so could do their job. you know? and this. i know, i think it is funny. i talked to some friends about how this, we never heard this language in the south. that i find hard to believe, but

i did not grow up in the south. you have a war to try to keep slavery, and you are telling me you do not have these conversations? i find it hard to believe. host: one more call on the topic. henry in new york. hi. caller: how are you doing? i oppose it mostly because it is more distraction and hypocrisy. one of the biggest races problems we have involves the way that the most progressive states get their money for local government, which is tax on shelter. there is a study that came out this week from the united way that said 43% of americans cannot afford food or shelter anymore. when you levy a tax on shelter, that is a necessity of life. host: important topic, but we are talking about the decision by abc. caller: this is hypocrisy. they are acting like they are

engaging in some sort of societal important thing, in thisng racism country, but they do not talk about the real racial issues. host: ok. that was henry. coming up on our program, we will talk to the american federation of teachers' peri resident, who will talk about the role of teachers unions, specifically as the supreme court could make a decision that will affect those unions and others. that is coming up when "washington journal" continues. ♪ announcer: commencement speeches, all this week in prime time. tonight, hillary clinton, rex tillerson, james mattis, and justin trudeau. thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, tim cook, governor john kasich, governor kate brown, and

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rapids because that is where the education secretary was touring a school there -- guest: just call me randy instead of ms. weingarten. host: i wanted to show you that the device was talking about her recent schools tour, highlighting creative ways and education leaders. what do you think about this approach that the education secretary is taking, shaping public school policy? guest: if the education secretary had actually spent two point five minutes in public schools and had actually started listing the great practices that go on in many public schools, i would have a lot more respect for her. year, she wentst to 18 public schools and 18 private schools and three of the public schools she went to she went at our invitation in van

wert, ohio. she was in new york city and there are great public schools there. she decided not to show up at any of them. she's very intentional about avoiding any good practice she could see in public schools. frankly, she is intentional about avoiding public schools whatsoever. what she is doing is trying to create a privatized system, which is a system of winners and losers. if you look at the statistics of charters of the last 25 years, some of them do well. i run one that does well. but most of them do what the rest of the public school system , what public schools do. they diverge resources from public schooling so if you just oppose what betsy devos is doing versus what happened in oklahoma ,nd arizona and west virginia

what's happening is people in america are saying we need investment in public schools to do what the best schools are doing. first and foremost we need to actually get resources into the schools that 90% of the kids go to and let's lift up good practices. host: what good practices are you talking about that she is avoiding specifically? guest: there are four things you need to do to make every single public school a place that is , a placewelcoming parents want to send their kids, educators want to work and kids are engaged. you focus on children's well-being. you focused on powerful instruction like project-based learning. you make sure that teachers can actually do those things. you develop the kind of competencies professional development and make sure they

have voice. you have cultures of collaboration. what she did, she tried to cut the budget. we have money in the federal budget to create wraparound services. she tried to cut thumb. money in the federal budget to create summer school and after school. she tried to cut them. she has never been to a public school that actually does that kind of stuff. why doesn't she go there? why doesn't she spend the time doing it? spend time she implementing plans to do that? what i'm saying is, she hates public schools so much she avoids them and avoid talking to people who work in them. we have 80,000 comments we wanted to give her. we gave her notice, it was on the anniversary of -- the first anniversary of being education

secretary. she locked the doors of the department of education instead of seeing the comments. we were asking for her to just listen to people who every single day teach kids. host: let me stop you there to introduce viewers to call ends. the phone lines are open, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 four republicans. -- for republicans. .202) 748-8002 for independents is it possible charter schools could achieve those things you're talking about? by and large, could charter schools achieve that as well? guest: charter schools were initially supposed to be part of public schools. they were not supposed to be a competitive school system. we have had 25 years of experience. .ome of them do ok

what betsy devos is proposing is they have no accountability, no equity, no transparency. dollar outu take a of a child's mouth for food, books, things like that, to give to a competitive system that itself, has not proven that is a problem. if we have the kind of investment we needed so every child has a level playing field that would be a different kind of conversation. what's happened is charters create and these privatized situations create winners and losers when our responsibility as public school teachers is to help every child. host: let's take some calls. colin in oklahoma. you are on with randi weingarten. caller: yes. you are talking about secretary of education, that you devos as

being a hateful person -- betsy devos being a hateful person. the teachers unions do not want any competition. you are against freedom of , regarding the thought process of teaching kids to be in favor of socialism, abortion, all of those things american public question. i think the real problem is you don't want competition. you want to control and be a monopoly. host: thank you. want asir, i actually , like school system thomas jefferson envisioned years ago, that helps every child succeed.

that is called american idealism. frankly, i don't know what you're talking about. in my classrooms we never talked about abortion. we talked about socialism, communism, democracy and all of those other things in my social studies class so that kids could actually learn about those things and learn about what was happening in russia and china and things like that. my job as a social studies teacher, and what we try to make sure teachers have the right to latitude soice and that kids can make their own decisions about what they think and believe. that is our responsibility. what i think you're saying is you are right, the world has gotten too polarized. this is not about competition. this is about making sure the

united states of america, that every kid has a shot. that is why all 50 states have public school systems that 90% of the kids go to. host: from new york, democrats line, ralph. caller: i'm a uaw worker from upstate new york. , are youike to ask aware of the recent bill passed by congress and signed into law by president trump to roll back workers rights? guest: yes, terrible. one is, ad the second recent u.s. supreme court decision that rolled back workers rights. if you could speak on that and i thank you for your time. and thanknk you, sir you for your service and i should have said the same thing

to the first caller. whether we agree or disagree, we all are americans and we need to create a sense of community in this country. and the supreme court president of the united states are opting at every moment for corporate power and to take away power from working people instead of letting them have the latitude to pursue the american dream and a better life. what the president did last week is to take away the voice of federal public servants. blow blow actually whistle and make sure americans are safe. that their food is safe. that they are drinking safe drinking water, breathing safe and.

-- breathing safe pair. air. what the supreme court did in a case called epic systems, they basically said if you don't have a collective-bargaining contract the moment you go to work, whatever the corporation says you have to be paid or whatever they say you have to do that's what you have to do and you have classht to file a coll action lawsuit against that. whatever they say you do that's what you have and many people .ave seen that one more worker taking it on the chin kind of decision. host: as you talk about that the supreme court is set to make a decision on what was known as the janice case. remind our viewers what that is. how could it affect those in public school unions? guest: what's happened is

there's 23 states in the united sen said america that have to their employees that they want to work with their union so that a if their employees voted for union, which they have in these 23 states, that the state government for the districts would actually negotiate with you over the terms and conditions and that the union has one responsibility. righthange for having the to negotiate it has to represent everybody and if it represents everybody, everybody pays a fair share. that is the case that is being challenged. it was bruce rauner, the illinois governor, who challenged this and said i don't want to negotiate anymore with these guys and challenged it.

the court said you are not an employee you can't really challenging. -- you can't really challenge it . they found a guy from illinois janice.tituted, mark he says i want the rights of the union, i want the benefits but i don't want to pay for it. host: so obama i'm a public school union employee or a member of a union what faces me -- so if i am a member of a public schools -- so if i am a public school union employee or a member of a union what faces me? guest: the new supreme court judge basically voted for the corporations rights and voted against the worker rights we think the same thing may happen in terms of the janice case, that they will vote against workers being able to fund their unions and have unions that effectively represent them. we are concerned about the case,

but essentially what it means, and we have seen this, the people that brought the case have said they brought it to defund unions so that we have no power to represent people. we have no power to represent workers. no power to be the voice of people. hoping there will be a lot of people after this case who opt out of their unions so that the unions have less funding to be able to do the making do in terms of sommunity safer, lifting wage or work we do in political elections. lots ofs been discussions between and amongst members about what's going on here. it's not an individual that

taken this case that the right -- people have been sticking with the union like never before. there's been a lot of discussion. at the end of the day our means itee the union is a vehicle, a voice for them to be able to in their classroom express themselves. a voice so they can get a better wage. a voice so they can get better health care. a voice for communities so we can get the investments we need in schools. maples -- john, naples florida. miffed betsy, i'm a bit your onlya that solution to the problem in education is more union. be thepinion i see it to

problem itself. andlabor unions controlling the education system just swirling in a toilet. guest: sarah, the education sir, the education system has gotten better and better over the course of years is you believe test scores, graduation rates or things like that. the places in the united states of america that have more unions in terms of schooling, those places, kids do better. i would love you to come to school with me and see some classrooms and teachers who are in unions. we have lots and lots of republican members who want a voice at work. and that is what unions do.

i'm not sure i understand the question. host: paul in new york. caller: thank you so much for taking the call. i've known randi from a distance, but probably 35 years at least. she's very articulate incapable of expressing her views. een a new york city teacher what i know to be true, her sole agenda is really for the unions. i would recommend a book she read, the worm in the apple. it is an indictment of the unions in public education. thank you. guest: paulguest:, i read that book. there's a whole bunch of other books i would recommend that you read. let's talk about so many kids in new york city that have

succeeded because we have fought for the resources they need. are we perfect? no. i put up new york city public schools against most other schools also every day of the week because at the end of the day the people we represent, and you are one of them, are amazing people. you deserve a voice. the same kind of voice to say what you just said on c-span and so many other people. that is what unions do. it is about making sure people have a real voice and that we do what we need to do in terms of school kids. strikesmerica after the in west virginia and oklahoma and arizona, ap and others took polls of people around the country and overwhelmingly people understand that what unions are is a vehicle for

voice. a vehicle to make sure no one is isolated. that no one is abandoned. host: the new york times highlighted earlier this month the six states to be affected by a teacher walkout, north carolina. i want to ask about the nature of walkouts and what do you ?hink they achieve guest: lynn: districts do with their employees their states people tried for years and years and years to get certain things done. in oklahoma it's been 10 years without teachers having a raise. in west virginia they were, because of the hikes in health insurance the teachers were

going to get paid less than they got paid in 2012. in arizona, teachers go years without a raise. kids and oklahoma have 50-year-old textbooks. kids in west virginia where having teacher shortages in virtually every school district. they tried the normal route of petitioning the legislature. that's why you saw these human shields. out of tremendous frustration that things they had already tried to get legislators to listen were either ignored or disparaged. compare that to other places, like in new york we were able to a school aid package

that helped every child in every school district. you see the same thing in terms of what's going on in terms of safe schools and school shootings. the places where people are able to petition the government and get them to listen you see that some changes are happening. tot is why i am in florida meet with teachers and students at marjorie stoneman douglas. i wanted to be with the students in the school they are in. host: one of the critics of the teacher walkout was on the website the federalist and he writes this saying, teachers strikes are in the national lampoon. unions know how to disrupt these

-- how disruptive these strikes can be to parents lives. using put upon parents as pawns for more money. guest: at the end of the day if -- teachers went on strike for children and you saw tremendous support by parents in each one of these places. but there was a human shield of teachers to actually try to accomplish what has been impossible to encompass before because -- to accomplish before because of legislators the federalist society is promoted. in westegislator virginia or oklahoma or arizona over the course of the last five to 10 years had opted for resources for schools rather itn tax cuts for the rich

would never have been in that situation. they ignored the needs of regular working folks, so it took these walkouts to make those needs obvious and solve political situation. the people that have been in charge of these places for years, which are people that are most of the federalist society, are upset they did not get their way this time. kind of like sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never harm you. i would rather them spend a little more time listening to the needs and tried to negotiate thisrather than continuing .onstant polarization teachers every day walk into their classrooms to try to create a safe and welcoming environment for students.

to try to put what is going on whene outside world at somebody is called an eight -- -- the tolerance and inclusion we need to have to have a more perfect union. it is past time all of this polarization and the bullying and bigotry happening on the outside world, we need to do whatever we can to pierce it. i support what abc did in terms of the roseanne show. this has to stop in part of what we are trying to do is create a more perfect union and a way of creating more tolerance, more inclusion or acceptance. host: our guest is the president of the american federation of teachers. don in ohio is next. go ahead please.

caller: a republican. i support organized labor. you guarantee quality control in our schools, you make sure we said,x breaks, like you .nd we're getting new schools .od bless you" jesus guest: what i appreciate about the last speaker, public education never used to be a democrat or republican issue. this was an american issue. and nobody would call a public school system socialist. this was something just like public safety that in america we

decided as a nation to give to all of our kids. it is the polarization, this notion to have winners and changed thathas and been more corrosive. members aref our republican. ofre should not be this kind divisiveness in terms of public education or the fact that , when unions were strong in the 40's -- the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, working folk had a higher quality of life. higher wages. more people in the middle class and that is what unions are trying to do. are we perfect? no.

as the speaker said to get goals kids get what they need, that is what we do. host: harold on our independent line is next. yes.r: i understand what she's saying but you said something about colorization -- polarization. the constitution of the united states gives us to do what we need to be doing. public schools are not safe anymore. if we don't like the right in these offices and

change america the way president trump is to change america things are not going to change. i'm not against unions. they used to be good back when my great grandpa was a coal miner in alabama they were a great angle and they came in. -- a great thing when they came in. -- host:pic of safety to the topic of safety -- the recent -- the -- the idea of the school boycott until these safety issues are addressed, is that something you can back? guest: i said on twitter that is one thing arne duncan said i can back. , look, your caller

schools this year, we've had more school shootings and school deaths than deaths in the military. something is going on culturally kids who arere bringing guns into school and shooting fellow students. horrifyingst this is it's not just -- it is something the kids in parkland, kids all over the country are absolutely right in wanting to address. we need schools to be safe sanctuaries, not armed fortresses. part of why i'm in florida today

is when the cameras are gone to actually be talking to kids and educators about what their needs are. anguished,ill frightened. that is why many of us are focused on not just more school security but mental health matters. point i made early in the program, how we focus on kids needs first and foremost. taking resources away from them -- instead of taking resources away from them. these other countries that are far safer in terms of gun utilization. how we follow them. i am not suggesting that we take 's responsible gun owners

guns away. i'm suggesting we do the prevention that has usually minimized these tragic incidents. int: let's hear from ann kentucky. independent line. caller: i think one of the problems i have seen, these schools, what they are trying to do is they are trying to take the place of parents. they are providing social services for these children. things parents should be provided. when they start doing this, they take the responsibility of the parents. the parents just stop doing what they need doing for children. i remember when i used to be free lunch because children cannot afford it. then the parents did not have to make lunch for the children.

all of a sudden there was free breakfast therefore they had breakfast and they had lunch. now packing of food and take home every day. take the responsibility away from the parent they will stop doing what they need to be doing for the children because you are making it easy for them not to be the parent. guest: let me flip the question. you are a principal in the school and you see a kid who's hungry and you see a kid that doesn't have had clean close or a kid -- clean clothes or a kid who does not have a coat the winter. teachers throughout the country dig into their pockets to deal with this. part of the reason we do these wraparound services is, frankly, the schools that do them, kids

are doing better. the point you're also making is how to we bring parents into the school? frankly, in a situation where kid is hungry, we as school teachers believe our responsibility is to help that child. our responsibility as children as part of the reason why -- somebody might say this is political. we have decried what happened on the borders when children are taken from their parents. we are part of the where are the children actions happening this week. we believe our responsibility as public school teachers is to make sure our kids are safe and had a great education. that means a lot of things today , particularly since half the kids --

host: randi weingarten, thank you for time today. guest: thank you. host: open phones is next. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. , (202) 748-8002 . we will take calls when we come back. >> join us live sunday at noon eastern for our year-long special in-depth fiction addition featuring best-selling fiction writers. .ontemporary novelist gish jen >> i know many writers and so on. the people who have a lot to say are certainly undaunted by being rules ofworld -- the

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lady. to the union i know a gentleman, a schoolteacher in los angeles, he deals drugs and i called up the school district and they never did anything about it. o r name is gilbert -- this guy throws anything out there. nobody apologizes or says he's a liar. that's all i have to say. host: from catherine st. joseph's michigan, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. after listening to this lady i understand now what's going on with our education system. ago.ired 10 years i see what's going on in the schools and it is disgraceful.

disgraceful. it is not the teacher's responsibility to take care of the children. it is the parents. like that of the lady said they've taken that responsibility away from the .arents a teacher's responsibility is to educate our children and educate them about history and things and not make them all liberals. this is what's really upsetting. most of the teachers are liberals. i think we need to get back to teaching. host: the previous caller brought up claims by the president about spies in his campaign. the daily beast reporting yesterday evening saying it's representative trey gowdy the chairman of the house oversight committee has said on tuesday that the fbi's use of an informant for the trump campaign ,n 2016 was appropriate disputing the presidents characterization of the informant as a spy.

that is at the daily beast website if you want to see it there. ronald from virginia, but --olished go-ahead republican line, go ahead. caller: this thing with this -- i don't understand why -- look at trey gowdy, he looks exactly like a snow monkey.

host: we'll go to eva from california. caller: i'm calling is a 33 year teacher. ine experienced education coloradopi as well as and indiana. mississippi, we had no unions. as a result, teachers were required to do certain things that are undemocratic. as a teacher i could not belong to the naacp. if i did i would of been fired. and indiana, it was the last place i taught. there were unions. i have the freedom to select books i needed to have and to teach everyone and to encourage students to write on any subject . the head of the department,

english department, wanted me to take those books out of classroom because i had some slow learners and i had them there so they could read things they were interested in which allow them to learn and be involved in their learning. union.ble to go to the we talked about this with the department and the principal. i was able to choose reading material i thought best educated best educated-- my students. i have daughters who went to school where they could not take text's home. ande were given assignments we were charged as parents book fees yet we could not get books to give them additional support. host: apologies. i'm going to move onto the next

call from connecticut. george, hello. caller: i wanted to comment about mr. weingarten -- about some of ms. weingarten's comments. one of the lawsuits involved people who have more conservative views who were forced to pay union dues only for contributions from the unions to go to left-wing candidates. i would love to have asked her what percentage of her union contributions go to conservatives. i'm sure it would be microscopic. it's not the responsibility of the teacher to see that a kid is thed oror fed -- clo fed. it should go to social services. i graduated from a catholic , eighth grade, 49 children in one classroom with one nun.

the colleagues or former students i keep in touch with had a pretty good education. host: george and connecticut calling this morning on ". (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. , (202) 748-8002. this is caitlin healy burns saying while democrats face an uphill climb, in states that president trump won overwhelmingly they are hoping to flip the script in tennessee. against marshagn blackburn for the u.s. senate seat being vacated by bob corker in a sign of how competitive the contest has become, president trump traveled to nashville on tuesday to host a fundraiser for the congresswoman and rally

supporters. you can see the full event would you go to our website at c-span.org. one of the things the president did talk about in nashville was a topic of immigration overall and specifically the gang ms 13. [video clip] >> to continue this incredible progress, to keep on winning, you have to vote republican in november. you see what's happening with the democrats. opponent,ery liberal radisson, he is an absolute total tool. .f chuck schumer he's a tool of chuck schumer and of course the ms 13 lover nancy

pelosi. booing] president trump: and she loves ms 13. i said that your animals and she said how dare you say that. have you seen what they have done? we are taking them out of our country by the thousands. host: that whole event available to you at c-span.org. you can find the president's statements. alaskan anchorage, independent line. caller: thank you for c-span and the opportunity to speak. i want to address your former guest.

she had a lot of anecdotal data. she said we have the strongest teachers union we had the best educational outcomes. alaska has the strongest -- second strongest union in the nation second only to new york. dead last in the national score in reading and mathematics. we have failed miserably. the lady from kentucky spot on. you are right the educational system in this country is devolved into a social workers

support republicans. ms. weingarten said 20% to 30% of people in her union were republicans. i did a little research and none of the money from the federation teachers went to support republican candidates in the last election. host: let's hear from kenneth in buffalo, new york. caller: i want to respond to the woman who deplores the fact the teachers were producing little liberals in their schools. liberal inion of webster's dictionary, one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of what is established forms of ways.

also, the idea that schools are taking responsibility away from the parents. it's the other way around. parents are not being responsible so somebody's got to take responsibility and schools do that and feed them and make sure they get lunches otherwise they can't learn anyway. host: kenneth in buffalo new york on this open phone for about nine minutes or so. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. earlier we talk to a reporter about the -- several events and scandals missouri's governor has

had to take care of simultaneously. brighton has resigned. here's a little from the governor about his resignation and his thoughts on it. [video clip] > the last few months of been incredibly difficult for me, for team, for myr my friends, and for many people that i love. this ordeal has been designed to cause an incredible amount of strain on my family. millions of dollars in mounting legal bills, endless personal attacks, designed to cause maximum damage to family and friends. legal harassment of colleagues, .riends, and campaign workers it is clear for the forces that oppose us there is no end in sight. i cannot allow those forces to

continue to cause pain and difficulty to the people that i love. i know, and people of good faith , but i i'm not perfect not broken any laws or committed any offense worthy of this treatment. host: a look at puerto rico. in the new york times this morning saying as hurricane season begins this week experts are trying to estimate the number of deaths caused by hurricane maria and puerto rico. the latest exit -- resonant and gregory go to guide at a significantly higher rate in the three months after the hurricane than the previous year. researchers say their estimate remains imprecise with definitive studies to come.

-- findings accuse metrics the token ruminant or mortality rate was extrapolated to the larger population and compared with official statistics from the same hotel in 2016. it goes from there the new york times has the story on its website. from new hampshire, independent line. caller: i have a comment. criminals have been exiled.

criminal members of ms 13, torture murder. if they had conviction of those . think they should be exiled you wouldn't put them in cells you just let them roam the rock and pray on each other and every so often food would be dropped and patrol boats would circle the island preventing them from escaping. gowdy.ou heard from trey his thoughts on the president in the trump campaign taking a look at activities. i think what the president is doing is expressing frustration and that attorney general sessions should have shared these reasons for recusal before he took the job not afterward.

there, they told me i will not be able to participate in the most important case be frustrated and that is how i read that. senator sessions, why didn't you tell me before i pick you? statements from donald trump, the president of the united st states. caller: good morning. on the ladymment who spoke to read i appreciated her comments on education. we have two organizations that represent teachers. i have been in the classroom for over 30 years and i've along to the nea. no matter whether or not your a your mostmember important priority is educating the child in the school district.

ishink a lot of the problem we have a lot of children coming to schools with many problems be at they have not had breakfast, they don't have food, they are dysfunctional families, students are coming with more mental problems. i think the problem with schools , we have so many children coming that are so needy. we have to use a lot of resources to tend to those particular children. the school districts are not getting enough money, be it coming from local governments, state government or the national government. until we can make education a top priority in this country i think school districts are going to suffer. host: lindsay is next for pierce, florida. go ahead. caller: yes. the comment is i'm a product of

a public school. i graduated. my senior year we discovered we had 10th grade books. we were divided and shipped to another school to finish out our senior year and we must not forget historically that the reason for unions is to provide ans for people to discuss s and safety and health issues while working for any r.ploye a continual force trying to divide us from being americans. if teachers who are on the front line with the students can't help them and provide to them ast they don't have at home one individual stated earlier

the place for the teachers is to teach, will you can't teach a student who don't have a full stomach to learn on and so forth. host: let's go to john in arkansas. the last call. caller: good morning thanks for taking my call. think they're i going to have to have their own m.lice departments in the a lot of hospitals that have their own police departments. certain law enforcement officers that do the job of law enforcement officers. that's what needs to be done. host: last call on the topic of this open phones. two more guests joining us. you hear from the head of the ,estern conservative summit jeff hunt will join us next. the migration policy institute cost sarah pierce on the state

of those 1500 or so unaccompanied alien children and a policy that directly affects them.

worshipful, never had an unkind word to say. presbyterian minister. night 8 eastern on c-span's q&a. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us from denver, olorado, director of the centennial institute, public policy vice president of colorado christian university upcoming ated with event, western conservative summit. good morning. good morning, pedro, great to be with you. host: let's break those down. those not familiar, what is western conservative summit and talk about your association with centennial institute. guest: sure. conservative summit,

one of the largest gatherings of conservatives each summer, held denver, colorado. it is hosted by colorado hristian university, where the centennial institute exists, the think tank that i run and operate out of colorado university. like i said, they are the rimary host of the western conservative summit. great gathering of thousands of conservatives from over 40 come to denver, colorado to rally for faith, family and freedom. is the rtifying freedom overarching theme for this year's conference, what are you by that theme,ve suggest or as far as the thrust meeting?ear's guest: well, that's a great question. so fortifying freedom has two messages. one, we need to protect freedom from government intrusion and overreach. but secondly, we need to talk about the true nature of freedom. order liberty, i think we're losing in our country. of social g rise

libertari libertarianism, challenge to freedom that must be matched by self-restraint and the and if you go back to original kind of founders of odern conservative movement, edwin burk, russell kirk, they talk about notion of ordered guided by eedom values, by principles, by self-control. think in many ways we're starting to lose that. ou see that in drug movement happening around the country. it is very popular in colorado, libertarian state, talk about the true nature of freedom, as well, not just from overreach, but also how do we protect freedom principles and self-control and self-restraint. host: you mention what is happen nothing colorado regarding marijuana. overall, what is the main concern of this social movement, main concern as far as where you stand and your fellow people the conference stand?

guest: yeah, that's a great question. o i think it is best encapsulated by a tweet that austin peterson put out a few years ago. finished second for the libertarian nomination running for , now u.s. senate missouri, a tweet went out that said, i want to america where gay couple consist protect their marijuana fields with fully automatic harshtag, freedom. when you look at that, that is a especially iment, among young people. the problem, it is a misunderstanding of what true is and that sense i think what mr. peterson is referring to, the notion of a license. of that the founders of modden conservative movement passionately, not just against overreach on freedom, but breakdown that can happen allow license to take over freedom. when you aren't guided by principles, t, by by values, the important kind of necessary fort is

our country. some of our founding fathers made ur constitution is only for moral people and wholly inadequate to any other f. we have morals, values, trong principles to guide us, what ends up happening is you end up breaking down society and bigger.nt actually gets that is where we feel that sometimes social libertarian can result in breakdown, where their own apart.falls government gets bigger. awayed colorado arounda the drug legalization movement. the idea of legalizing drugs is liberty, self arguing nce, we are with whether the state should be -- co-dependency upon drugs and government ends take care of g to people and that is where you see government getting bigger. concerned what we're

about when values and principle guess away, government gets igger and you actually lose freedom. edwin burk, considered founder modern conservative movement ays passions forge their fetter, which meaning that your passions will ultimately lead to restraints upon you if you don't practice self-control with principles and strong morals. that is what you see at estern conservative summit. host: address questions to guests, democrats, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002. comments oress your questions off twitter at c-span wj. viewers, for those who won't be able to attend summit, major e speakers you are expecting to hear from. guest: great. variety of speakers, everyone from crowd favorites, and silk saturday night,

kirk, ceowen, charlie kyle casuve, talking about the amendment, representative steve king talking about illegal immigration. we have the attorney general i'm sure that speech will be very well followed, especially considering the tweets this morning from the president. we also have another member of the president's cabinet coming, announcing that june 4th. due to security reasons, we can't say who that is going to be. the president's cabinet, elected officials, and mark dom caucus meadows will be coming. christian movie star, kirk cameron will be speaking on friday, as well. onderful, wide variety of different speakers from grassroots leaders to elected even think tank representatives, folks from the heritage foundation, dr. michael ferris from alliance defending jack m, defending

phillips, likely to see what that decision is going to be court here just very soon. to have the president of alliance defending freedom as well, just a wide variety of different speakers. newspaper called it conser conservative-palooza. conservatives from 40 states to celebrate r faith, family and freedom and to advance a conservative agenda, especially out west here in colorado. host: mr. hunt, is that agenda based on religious principles faith, only, the things you said like to see d you this based on faith-based kind notion? guest: faith is absolutely critical, but not necessary to western conservative summit. halibertarian friends. lot of things,

personal freedom, happy to have them attend. his is hosted by colorado christian university, and ccu one of the fastest growing the country, n committed to biblical truth and advancing conservative world and in one strategic objective to advance the world our faith is important to us, but we're happy to have everyone. invited democrat candidates for governor here in for them to come and address twestern conservatie for them to come and address twestern conservatie summit, if elected, we want governor for all people, including conservatives, they will listen and engage with us and it is open to everybody to come and come visit western conservative summit. ost: you mentioned democratic candidates. ohn hickenlooper was on here with "50 capitals tour" going across the united states. he talked about marijuana recreational or

use in the state. i want you to listen to a little about his reasoning for making happen and then get your response to it. i was one of the people i was wrote a check to campaign against it. i didn't think legalizing recreational marijuana was a good idea. if you remember, it passed 55-45, it wasn't politicians promised anything, these were organizations and citizens hundreds up and felt of thousands of kids had been sent to prison, made felons for crimes and they thought there had to be a better way. it passed 55-45. feel that when the people vote that strongly to support i have -- i took oath the what and deliver is guaranteed in our state constitution and that initiative into our state constitution. host: mr. hunt, aside from the arijuana issue, isn't it small

government in nature to decide for a state to decide like marijuana?out and escape federal or larger topic?ces on that guest: well, i would love to have an honest conversation colorado, thea in problem is we're not having an honest conversation. he industry, who has lots of lobbyists, active at our capital oftentimes advancing their agenda in way that is not honest. or for example, when promoting the legalization of recreational arijuana, they said the black market was going to go away if we legalize marijuana. the exact opposite has happened. we just had big study about foreign cartels now operating in shipping hat are marijuana out all over the country. we've become the illegal black capital of marijuana in north america. that youth use would go down. ight now we're the number one

first time youth use state in the nation. they said that, you know, we people t rid of putting in prison because of marijuana. youth arrest because of ossession of marijuana have gone up since legalizing marijuana. i'm happy to have a conversation impact of true marijuana and whether or not people can make decisions safely consume marijuana. the industry is not allowing that to happen n. fact, we've 145% increase in marijuana related traffic fatalities in colorado. and just two weeks ago -- host: understandable. sn't this a state's right issue? if that is the case, isn't that something your group would would e in the

advocate in the theme of smaller government? guest: sure. it is states right issue. you have to respect the rights of states to say, we don't want marijuana. that is where you get in challenge with the federal government. for instance, in colorado, we ship marijuana to 36 states in this nation. we've had thousand percent increase in would advocate in the theme of smaller government? guest: sure. amount of marijuana going through the mail here in colorado. going to say states right issue, i believe people in colorado should debate this. they want to accept it or reject it, that is a states right issue, respect the rights states that don't want to have anything to do with marijuana. problem, important for jeff sessions to rescind the cartel crease in activity and marijuana being shipped out of colorado there is ole for federal government in restricting marijuana from leaving colorado. the ately, it is rights of people of colorado to determine this, but we also have to respect the rights of other states. host: we have calls lined up. mike in california, independent line. are on with our guest jeff hunt. good morning. gentlemen.d morning, i think you are mistaken about american history that

brain child in part of social conservatives, also the progressives and a is relatively n libertarianism is not. depression of 1920, as a result, term became politically adio active and progressives started calling themselves liberal. "liberal" would just mean freeman, derived from liber, meaning a freeman. ll of america's founders were libertarian. raham quote by ab lincoln, in declaration of ndependence, endorse the document, a statement of today e call it libertarianism, but for most of -- lib ro rallism.

thanks, mike. go ahead, mr. hunt. guest: well, i think nearly all founders understood that liberty had to be matched by morals, strong principles and by strong values and they and that over and over over again. almost none of our founding pure, unadulterated unrestricted right to do whatever you want, the right to embrace license. what you are s starting to see here, this notion that you can do whatever proapproximatecan tekt your marijuana fields, marry whoever you want with weapons, that is kind of a french understanding american , not an understanding of freedom. that is what you saw between the revolutions, the french revolution was different than the american revolution because revolution was based upon the importance of eligion, value and principles

and that was the foundation upon the liberty that we have. down society break and government ends up getting bigger. that is what i think we all want to avoid. host: jim in jacksonville, florida, democrat's line. caller: hello. host: you're on, go ahead. calle indicate that his legalization of marijuana had something to do with the number that are on opioids in no study and there is r finds that indicate that fact. host: mr. hunt, how would you respond? think i m sorry, i missed the question w. regard to opioid in colorado. had highest death amount of people that died in drug do as a result of overdose than any point in our history. that was another promise we

often got from the marijuana industry, marijuana will become substitute and they would that was proved false. we've had increase in alcohol consumption. combined both of them. opioid opioid use and overdoses gallon down. that was just wrong. last year was record number of amount of people that overdose.sult of drug drug overdose is number one killer of pregnant moms in colorado. we have a serious problem with drug overdose and marijuana has to reduce that problem. and so this idea that they're going around that marijuana is to become substitute for opioid use is simply just not true. to address both of them. the what we see in the opioid an industry have with low regulations, a financial incentive to go out many people as using opioids, as possible. now we're creating the same

the marijuana industry. you have unregulated industry, a financial incentive to go out and get as many people hooked on this as they possibly can. friends we've lived through this with the tobacco industry. now we're living through it with opioids and marijuana. we shouldn't allow the ofustries to make profit off people that are being harmed by the drugs. ost: how much of the marijuana industry contributes to the state coffers, not a large i understand correctly. guest: it's not, it is about 1.8%. not huge amount, but sizeable. did million, last number we calculations on. it is hundreds of millions of at ars, when you look overalla budget, the tax revenue aboutomes into the state, 1.8%, a lot in colorado's promise to go to the school and fact, one superintendent at one of the largest school

colorado saidsary the only thing we've seen since marijuana legalization is more using marijuana. amount of money going to schools is minimal, very small, about .2% of the entire state or building budget and not ven going to classrooms, it is going to construction projects, even to is joe.is hi. caller: pedro, love c-span. donald my opinion, trump is the best president in history and best leader in world history. big problem. we need a conservative speaker of the house and conservative majority leader. i think jim jordan of ohio would consecutive and david perdue would be super senate leader, don't you think that is great idea to get conservative leadership in the senate?d

guest: i agree, the more the better. we'll have mark meadows and house freedom caucus out at the summit. know what, what i love about the house freedom caucus and onservative wing is that they really are keeping the house of representatives focused on the values and principles. we have ken buck, one of the most conservative members of here in colorado, he's on the house freedom caucus panel. as well.g a great job, you know, i think donald trump great job and we had him two years ago to the western summit and i think summit and i think oud of what our attendees are proud of what the president is doing and they have the house freedom caucus will be fun at western conservative summit to hear from them. i would like numbers to increase impact continue to increase after the 2018 election this year. host: mr. hunt, when you say the

done a great job, do you accept on wholesale basis or everything he's done or areas you wish he could perform better in? uest: well, you know, on many about, the re defunding of planned parenthood through title 10 restriction, that is fantastic. colorado's own gorsuch to the supreme court, wonderful. olling back, a lot of restrictions the obama administration did on religious freedom, those are important, as well. i saw secretary of state, mike ompeo, is going to be hosting religious freedom round-table in july. advancing religious freedom, one of the most important foundational values to the health of a society. i spent years trying to promote that and see the secretary of tate doing that now is absolutely fantastic. i think mike pence is doing great job. can continue to improve? absolutely. but on many things that the we're very s done,

happy and i think there is a lot for conservatives to cheer. 91% approval has a ate among conservatives in colorado. so i think conservatives here are very proud of what the president and vice president are and want to continue to cheer them on and hope he continues to advance his agenda. host: lavern, california, jeff is next. hi. caller: hi. i'd like to just first say that lot of conservatives talk lot of judgment al things that only lot of judg al things that only jesus should be judging about. bout whether a person is lazy or not and by the way, most white, butwelfare are conservatives get all bent out by saying most

minorities are on welfare and they get bent out of shape. let's get rid of welfare because black people or minorities are getting free checks, just walk by is lazy and actual truth white people are mostly on welfare. don't understand why conservatives vote against their interests because conservatives the rich.t taxes for host: mr. hunt? well, i think we want all people to thrive. that is the problem with the welfare state. work is important. work is important for allowing build lives they want to build and have freedom they live.to so when we look at a welfare state that empowers people to funds from the government instead of being able to go out and have a vocation,

do what god intended them to do, to have a job that empowers feeds their soul and allows them to pursue the dreams hey want to have, that is what i think conservatives want. think it comes down to a particular race, we want all to have the opportunity pursue the life they want. carson, doing ben great job at department housing urban development, their goal has to be get people off welfare role. has to be our goal, limit that, people have jobs, they are pursuing dreams and building lives they want to build for themselves. mechanicsville, jeff hunt with the western conservative summit. caller: thanks for taking my call. i've been interested in the libertarian movement for quite a

while. caller, my point. people read in history books, unitarians weren't what [indiscernible] -- hijacked the term liberal and got to be more honest about that. liberties are important and i have a question for you. what medication are you on and if so, do your children ccidentally take your medication and if so, are you responsible for that? you be willing to disclose that information on the radio? of thing. you can't back pedal on individual liberty. important.s are you, caller. mr. hunt? guest: yeah, i fully believe in

personal freedom and rights you have with that, hat i'm challenging my libertarian friends to do. ou are passionately about restricting government, but that ust be matched by personal responsibility, freedom and values because if you just have personal vernment and freedom, without principles and self-restraint, you just have license and that ends down society and the result is, government gets bigger. happy my friends and i acknowledge my libertarian friends are about restricting hope you would be equally passionate about responsibility, values and principles. those, youave both of have a healthy society. if you don't have that second values ot talking about and principles, society breaks down, government gets bigger and that is not a society we want to

live in. host: concept of values and rinciples subjective, not objec objective thing? guest: not entirely. values are important to the ideal.n values that you should take care of your family. alues that we should care for others. values you should be personally responsible, that you shouldn't rely upon others to provide for ou other protestant work ethic, but we have xhn values hat should be uplifted and supported. one ouldn't steal from another, shouldn't murder, be ommitted to our families, most americans agree upon, but are not subjective, part of american values we all share. host: one more call, lone in north carolina, democrat's line, with jeff hunt, go ahead. caller: good morning. know, d like to say, you

why is there such a double to the when it comes opioid crisis. there was a d 90s, -- get off of crack cocaine. government intervention trying to help these people, getting them into rehab. is an opioid epidemic, you see public announcements, see sheriffs in northern states, i think either maine, or massachusetts, the sheriffs are helping the opioid addicted with rehab and in the locking '90s, they were up black people, separating families, locking them up by the thousands. no compassion, i continuing is a

double standard. caller, thank you. guest: yeah, that's a great question. you know, i think that there is way that we could look at the we epidemic in america and need to look at it broadly as a epidemic, they treat it as health issue. are not legalizing it, not commercializing it. problem we is the have with marijuana. he's exactly right in the sense hat we need to look at it broadly as a drug epidemic, crack cocaine, methamphetamine, opioids, part of broad systemic problem. in the "new york times" recently, they were talking in the 1980'ss about legalizing crack cocaine because it was so prevalent in the use of some communities. is the wrong way to go. prohibition on the drugs use down.eeps

by the general public. that with crack cocaine in the '80s and shouldn't do it with marijuana now. opioid e tougher on industries that are getting -- for ooked on these businesses, opioid industry and crack cocaine and heroin industry, it is business to them. we need to fight this like we did tobacco and thurn this culturally and not just allow these to continue to grow problem in our country. some topics involved. mr. hunt, thanks for your time this morning. guest: thank you so much and everyone is welcome to come to western conservative summit, hope you will join us june 8th 9th in denver, colorado. host: coming up, current status

d00 uncompanied children in migration policy sarah sanders jo joins -- sarah pierce, us next. joins us next. next. sarah pierce, joins us next. >> join us live sunday noon fiction in depth" edition featuring best-selling iction writers, contemporary novelist gish jen will be our guest. >> i would have to say if we're and i about creativity know many writers, so on, people say are not --to undaunted by the

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to unaccompanied alien children in the united states. good morning. for having me.u host: we saw similar headlines about the children over the weekend. of all, your interpretation of the headline and what is happening when it the children? guest: sure. important to distinguish we are talking about two different groups of children. flows of unaccompanied children that come to the southern border and have special procedures for dealing with that when they are arriving without guardians and l separate procedure for families, hildren arriving with their parents or legal guardians and over the weekend, i think some procedures for dealing with the groups have gotten confused. host: explain. guest: sure. during may, the trump administration zero tolerance policy, they are prosecuting all individuals who arrive in ports of entry, including families. fromren are then separated

their parents and children are treated as unaccompanied child migrants, the other population i talked about earlier. they are put into the system and the custody of a government agency called resetelment.ugee that office of refugee resetelment, last winter, before the policy was implemented, they follow-up calls with child igrants who had been in there called winter, they 7600 sponsors to follow up on the children. 1500, a little t less, in which they were not able to loretta lynch: the children. the families didn't answer the call. maybe the families answered the didn't t decided they want to participate in it, wide variety of things could have happened. 1500 reported those

children have gone missing, which is misleading, that implys office of refugee settlement was tracking them to begin with, they certainly weren't and being confused with new story of families being separated at the border. host: the term "lost" are concerned, that is not the case? uest: never use the term lost or missing, they were not being tracked to begin with. calls don'teason the take place, because of the children are the might be hesitant, which is bed ing bedding -- host: if you want to ask our what has tions about been happening when it comes to the children, some questions you ay have, here is your chance, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. ou can tweet questions or

comments at c-span wj. more about the office of refugee resetelment. you. talk a little bit, scope and mission and how it fits into the picture? you hinted at it, further that. guest: sure. this office does a bunch of refugee lated to resetelments and child migrants, they have had this responsibility since 2008, when it was put into place. unaccompanied child migrants apprehended at the southern to office of rred refugee resetelment, they have the legal obligation to find for the children, hether parents, close family members, family friends throughout the united states, the ffice can release children to. parents not available or someone in the immediate family, what happen? guest: the child is kept in office of refugee resetelment facility.

typically unsecured, not ike a prison-typesetting, but increasingly under this dministration they have had concern about gang participation, some are kept in secure facilities. host: when it comes to the child that doesn't have a sponsor, talk about the level of care as far as receives clothing and food and things like that, how is that provided what level or extent is that provide? ed guest: right. laws around what and certainly they want to make sure of the children's needs -- contacted for, including unusually high number considering the number of people start with, 7000 or so, is hat unusually high or par for the course? guest: i thought that was a pretty good response rate, they 7600 sponsors and only either didn't have from, didn't have

a phone being answered from about 1500, that seemed like a good number to me. host: for a child who goes into custody of the federal overnment, how long does that scomplaft particularly what happens if you can't find a arent or family member or have difficulty finding a sponsor? guest: typically children are in he custody of the office of refugee resetelment for just under 60 days before they are to a sponsor. what is concerning trend is that 60 day system longer than it more hesitation -- specially in the current environment. > dupel calls lined up, on the independent

[cutting out] -- you, you am telling making a big mistake, making excuses for people coming into this country. we went from 17, 18 kids to a classroom down to 35 kids. kids, american kids are kids are me coming home with lice, spending hundreds of dollars a week, a month to get lice out of their hair. big mistake g a taking a gz po of allowing more illegal aliens or immigrants into this country. you can't find place to park on the street now days, there are in every ple living house in every city surrounding los angeles, it is absolutely insane. caller.ay, mrs. pierce. guest: sure. first thing i would say, the about classrooms, that is definitely a concern that we hear a lot about. child migrants, child migrants, especially became an issue that got a lot of attention in 2014, when we saw increase of this

population at our southern border. 70,000 arrived that year and when released to united throughout the states, they are legally entitled to education and that ecame a big issue for schools who had to kind of deal with this new population which came concerns and ing things like that. also like to say a lot of people apply for asylum and legally obligated and entitled to enter the country and apply for that asylum process. many qualify for legally asylum, as well. host: from terry, he is in the anderson, indiana, hello. caller: yes. a comment, to make like to ask the lady, does -- children toow these be placed in different situations, allow them entry to country, whether they are with family members or other them, decide to sponsor aren't you sending a message to central america and mexico that get children are going to

into the country no matter what the law is. so if you allow them to be sent thatta, unaccompanied, more or less assuring the children will get placed in the and that is totally wrong. i mean, in my opinion, no parent want to send unaccompanied minor, especially little ones, ones to a foreign country not knowing what was going to happen to them. completely wrong to allow this placement to happen. t tells the people then they can send their children here and they're going to get placed in he country, what they are sending them here for anyway. lot of concern about that being a poll factor, child t unaccompanied migrants can enter the country to apply for asylum and placed sponsors in the country. we put -- excuse me, congress in place in edure 2008, they had a lot of concern about human trafficking, about going e children were

through and giving them the opportunity to really have their cases adjudicated, do they qualify for asylum or some other immigration laws. it is definitely true, it is a ig deal, children are coming alone and leaving in many cases in their nts behind home country. the is a testament to pushing them to life. heath assistant secretary released a statement and released couple things he feels gotten to this place. one is border security creating incentive and those are his words. one is h.h.s. primary legal temporary housing and the releasing of those children. and then additional space for well.ren, as what do you think about those arguments? guest: so i think it is really specify that we

of individuals who are approaching our southern border permission to enter, the only ones who do child unaccompanied migrants and individuals pplying for asylum and pass credible fear determination, meaning asylum officer credible they have claim to apply for asylum. into ne else is place expedited removal, they are etained for a day or two and removed from the country, a lot dure ncern about proce coming into the country. enter the country to apply for different immigration benefits, to. are entitled to apply host: describe them as children, older children or variety of ges that come to the border, specifically for uac's we're talking about. >> sure. variety of ages, but yes, uac, unaccompanied child migrantss tend to be either 17 or younger

and they tend to concentrate in range. to 17 however, when we're talking about families that are approaching the southern border prosecuted in the new policy over the past month or so, a lot of them are very young th children and when like i said earlier, when the families are separated, the children are categorized as unaccompanied child migrant. new population the administration is creating, many than m are much younger we've seen before. host: from pennsylvania, independent line, hear next from guest, go ahead. caller: hi. i'd like to know what you're the past o with administration under obama of children afficking that were brought into the just y and the sponsors came in and signed them out. that has been documenting, rescued and they hold their place. is -- people who put them

around ps to send them the country. you can cream and butter everything you want about this, very ese kids are vulnerable and no one is blinking an eye, not even the ews media over what has happened in the past almost eight years, 10 years going on now with the kids. people in law enforcement that i've had to deal with this the hey get no answer from federal government on this during the obama administration out of hand. host: steven, thank you. uest: so steven brings up a really good point, is what is ore about this, the sponsors how we're vetting sponsors of unaccompanied child migrants. did become a big concern during the obama administration. surge of unaccompanied child migrants approaching outhern borders and the office reset resettlement cases,

urning children over too quickly and not fully vetting sponsors. i'm not super familiar with ases of sex trafficking out of that, but there was a really famous case, labor trafficking child h i believe eight migrants were released to individuals in ohio and then on a farm trafficked in ohio. that case raised a lot of concerns. aftermath of 2014, the resettlement gee did two things, worked to increase capacity to hold in proper facilities, but they also changed some of to really keep wellfafare of children in mind. better vetting for sponsors and which they ays, in checkup to see how are the children doing, are they safe, attending school and immigration hearings? created ay phone call

some concern in recent headlines. host: are sponsors, how does the vetting process look like? what are they looking at? at a few king different things, criminal history, that is a big one and that might flags come up, as well. just today, i think, or maybe the administration announced they will fingerprint the sponsors and transferring data over to the department of homeland security. is grea ican, that greagreat -- result in children either waiting longer in the custody of the office of refugee never being or released to sponsors, which is a problem. e want to see the children in the custody of their parents or family members. a sponsor, eone is do they get federal help from

to help with cost? host: no, they don't. office of refugee resettlement aid we don't have obligation for the children once they are released to their sponsors. host: john, edgewater, florida, ahead. caller: hello. yes. i'm not in --that not an insane racist, i don't there should be changes at the border. they are not a threat. teririfts, the real threat are feminist police and s, surveillance states feminism which demonizes white men. ost: to tammy in brooksville, florida, democrat's line. hi. caller: yes. we ve a concern that when are hearing on certain language country," or who we should or should not allow in, i think and i consider myself

inclusive, who sees myself as american, rather han african american, but what i do know, i think all americans need to go back and get a dose of history. say "our," only someone, especially in florida, americans and i wonder came in, did rica the americans care? did actual permission to come? we are a land of the free, having husband who spent over a in the united states army fighting for a set of principles a part of that is received, weary. your tired and we use that statement, but when for ve lost all humanity children, tell me, where is tax money going for? tammy, thanks. guest: sure. i think tammy is really tapping a o how this issue brings up

lot of emotions. we're seeing really reath-takingly awful video footage of families being separated, of children being arms riday their mother's and that is bringing a lot of emotion into an issue that is emotionally nd charged issue being immigration overall. idea when it comes to the of po liticization, what about comparison the president makes and their association with ms13? guest: i think that is unfortunate association the president keeps making. president tends to look at immigration through security lens and how it is a security the united states and that is right in line with his thinking on that issue. to customs according and border patrol, unaccompanied hild migrants come in since 2012, less than 1% were deemed that e gang affiliation, association between that gang nd the child migrants is

actually quite loose. host: from florida, democrat's line. sandra. go ahead, you're on with our sarah pierce. caller: yes, hi. good morning. i believe they should put a freeze on the sileum law. i'm hispanic american, but i think we are promoting for young by themselves e and i think we're promoting for responsible parents to send by themselves, little children. they don't think that should separate the children from the parents. because we top this -- we we already have don't need any more parents sending children by themselves. we are not helping. promoting a disaster in the future. thank you. guest: sure. you bring up a good point, again, about how this can be factor, the pull

fact the children are being permitted to enter the united sponsors released to throughout the country. maybe that sends more children. is ink pausing asylum dangerous because these people are coming to the united states, conditions gerous and we certainly want to be receptive to those applications, considering we have international legal obligations asylum seekers. what might be the best policy is the cases really quickly so that individuals with claims can sylum country. the host: our guest is policy analyst with migration policy institute, explain what that is audience? guest: migration policy institute is nonpartisan, onprofit think tank and we study movement of people. ost: migration policy dot org, website to check out the work there. next to walter, baltimore, independent line.

caller: yes, thank you. say , why won't you just what the president says is a ie, because there is not ncrease, a bum rush, migration increase into america. and for you to suggest on your last caller, to irresponsible parents, they are literally snatching abies out of the arms of relatives and parents, there is of childless ion parent or whatever, the idea is are being as was stations, n various snatched literally from the arms parents. i don't want to say sold into slavery or given to freaks and whatever, but capitalist system needs these people. out w that i'm not going

there to pick no romaine lettuce treat these n't people decently your romaine becomes poison. guest: walter tapped into an issue we've seen. administration has been talking about current increases in individuals approaching if it is a der as crisis. we are not so sure that is true. n the first year of the trump administration, apprehension of individuals who are entering the order illegally dropped drastically, lowest levels we've seen since 1971. we're not so ar much sure we're seeing a surge as much as seeing the numbers to the normal that we saw prior to president trump taking office. so it is misleading the to ident keeps referring this as drastic increase and comparing the current numbers we saw in 2017 because 2017 was so abnormally low. been for children we've

talking about, what are the countries they are mainly coming from? triangle hern countries of central america, xcuse me, guatemala, honduras and el salvador. host: why those trends? why those country? part it has to do with laws. if a child approaches the border from mexico oris canada, they don't receive the same treatment as children who from any other country in the world, really. most of those children from or canada, are laced into expedited removal and removed quite quickly. if you have a child from noncontiguous country, they are giving the more thorough accompanied child migrant and those three countries, tend to be a lot of and pushback pushing the children to approach the uthern ost: north carolina,

independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. ask , god bless you, you probing questions and getting to the issue in a very professional manner. hearing is disturbing. it seems like the american actually willing to accept the fact that children from their ken away placed in isolation or detention center and released to individuals they don't have any with.ation and then, to add insult to children 00 of those have disappeared. no one knows where those are.ren my best bet, tells me those kids probably being sold into part of the sex trafficking are looking folks for somebody off the corner to ome and pick those folks up, instead of people in three-piece suits, very professional and living, dard of

trafficking children. i would dare say if these were from nor way and sweden, be in uproar uld trying to loretta lynch: those children. host: okay, mark, thank you. mark, it is definitely true, this is big emotional issue tis heartbreaking to see families being separated and know sponsors n or have a close relationship with them. when the office of refugee looking for tery sponsors, they are looking for relatives ose family or third last resort is close family friends. like i said, they have policies place to vet sponsors first. i'd caution against saying that went missing, that is implying the office of resettlement was tracking them, when in reality, the office tried to do a 30-day phone call with 7000 children and 1500 who they to contact, t able

have contact with either because the families didn't answer the answer the phone and decided not to participate in the phone call. that aid, it is very true these children are still vulnerable. they are being placed into situations that they hadn't previously been in, in a language theyth a might not speak. they are very vulnerable to think it issues and i is definitely worth congress looking at whether or not the laws should be changed to extend the responsibility of office of refugee resettlement, they are vetting and more follow-up with these children. but currently, you know, that is stands.situation host: the policy of the children, then, is it just this administration, you mentioned -- how far back does go? policy guest: at least in place since president igned by bush. ington, kentucky.

michael, you will be the last call. to be careful by looking at the asylum process nd speaking about children coming to the state. are a country built by refu refugees coming. children caution about being actively sent here, i have especially ot, policy, other state policies country we find people being gay.cuted for i'm curious, how many people that are immigrating are trying seek out asylum, especially large n considering makeup of the population of omelessness and people being persecuted in the united states are about 40%. host: michael, thank you. guest: sure. of individuals are

applying for asylum. families are and many children asylum, as well. we're talking about asylum talking about populations, including families being separated at the border. seekers, sylum asylum.g for they are delaying the family's asylum.to apply for they have been subjected to country n their home and first, subjected to federal criminal process. ost: sarah pierce with migration policy institute, she's policy analyst, migration the website.g, is thank you for your time. that's it for our program today, your way at omes 7:00 tomorrow, we'll see you then.