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q&a -- monaend on charen. >> tell us about your book. >> it is a double entendre.

ideaere did you get this and when? >> i have been thinking about the issues in this book for my entire adult life. a woman who came of age when feminism was at its peak in the 1970's and early 1980's, i was -- i went to a women's college. i was skeptical of it. i can get into how you define feminism. i have lived it for so many decades. in equal-- we believe rights for women. the tendency in our society, propelled in part by the feminist movement, has spring arward androgyny instead of

rich appreciation of our differences and embrace of the complementarity of the sexes. >> do used to be called to me? -- called timmy? >> yes. i talk about gender identity. i tried to talk about it as carefully as i could. dysphoria --ender they keep changing the name of what it is. children need compassion and sensitivity about the way they are treated. inaution we are in the midst -- when kidsdefy are two or three years old and a child once to be -- child wants to be the other sex. parents --parent -- if they do not hustle the wishes of the child, they will be

damaging and -- will be damaging them psychologically. when i was a little girl, i was a tomboy. i shudder to think what to think what would happen to me in this era. it was a phase. i outgrew it. i am delighted to be female. 85% or 95% of children whose desire to be other sex outgrow it after puberty. i worry a lot about this rush to gratify what a child says. >> held are your three boys --

how old are your three boys? them on did you rely on what is going on in the sex lives of young men? >> to a degree. i asked them about what goes on and how they see things. they are all millennials. they have that perspective. an anonymous number of young people in college and recent -- an enormous number of young people in college and recent graduates. >> where? >> several colleges in washington, d.c. >> what did you learn from them? >> it is sad. there is a lot of unhappiness among young people. a lot of discomfort about dating and relationships and tension

between men and women. there is a lot of room for confusion. one young man i spoke to said, " we are wounded. " our hearts have been broken. when we approach the other sex, we use it with guardedness. in a lot of young people, there is a fear of being vulnerable. -- how youfor rules are supposed to act with the other sex. also, an understanding -- which is what i plea for -- a comfort with the fact there are differences between men and women that are natural. we should understand them better. we should understand them and not assume that your boyfriend

or son or husband is defective if he is not meeting your emotional needs. have the political side, i probably the longest piece of video i have shown on this program. it is five minutes long. you will see clips. self-explanatory. it starts in the 1960's and comes up to the present. you have not seen this. i want you to tell us what your reaction is after you see it. >> president kennedy took me on a tour. it ended up in a bedroom. that is where our first encounter happened and i lost my virginity. >> he had sex with his secretary. the story is he pulled down the

shades, close the door, and they had sex. >> all i am trying to do is launch a career? >> does this look bad for you? >> my wife is in on it. >> all i can say is she was put on the payroll to work from 9:00 to 5:00, the same as everybody else. thesays she was put on payroll. >> his adultery started in his marriage? >> right. immediately. [laughter] >> talk about your first anniversary. >> for :00 the main house, there he was -- 4:00 in the main house, there he was. >> this cannot go on. remember him -- there were him from this photograph. >> i do not want to visit further the dishonor on the senate. >> indy, i did have a

relationship with ms. lewinsky that was not appropriate. it was wrong. >> you do not hear my answer. i did not do the same thing. i have never lied under a. i have never committed perjury. i have never been involved in a felony. >> i have heard you all deeply and i beg for your forgiveness. i must set the example. i hope resident clinton well follow -- hope president clinton will follow. >> we choose to work together as a family. >> to my wife and my family, i apologize for what i have caused. for --g was arrested >> tonight, a new low, a federal grand jury charged with six felonies. all in a campaign of fear in which he fathered a child. >> his political campaign was shattered after he sent the wood text messages to mail pages.

-- to male pages. as opposedant to something else. one more apology is to the people of faith. >> the governor of new york to resigning? >> i resigned. >> msnbc is announcing political culture reader -- announcing a political jupiter will not be appearing at least five women have come forward, alleging sexual harassment. >> i did not send that tweet. my system was hacked. i was right. people make fun of my name all of the time -- >> people make fun of my name all of the time. wrong. i did was the judge suggested it was not enough. childg as serious as lester and speaker of the house in the same sentence. >> six allegations against

o'reilly. a total of about $45 billion. fired from nbc for alleged inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace. --cvs suspended charlie rose cbs suspended charlie rose after the washington post reported women accused him of sexual harassment. >> he is turning office light in his office. seconds later coming -- later, he reappears with a woman. then, a kiss. >> the allegations against me are simply not true. others, i remember differently. >> in a statement, he said he never attempted sexual misconduct. he admitted having an uncomfortable conversation about surrogacy with women who worked with him.

>> a pro-life champion who encouraged his fight to have two abortions and talked his mistresses into another. theonyers denies accusations, but admits to paying a former staffer a settlement. $84,000 in taxpayer funds to settle a sexual harassment claim and never paid taxpayers back. >> this is the shopping mall where some say it was common knowledge and not a big secret roy moore would flirt with teenage girls when he was in his 30's. involved in the repeateddescribed episodes of nonconsensual violence. >> most of those were reporting from the media. of is about sex out

matrimony. the other is lying. we saw significant amount of lying. what are we supposed to make of this? understand why it is the longest clip you have shown. there is so much. >> we did not get to half of them. >> i am sure. and keepingn it -- on what the book is about -- it and fury ondespair the part of women. even if it is not -- it is saying the sexual revolution -- there has always been bad behavior. unleashed revolution the gates for a lot more. why? said sexl revolution is recreation. it is fun. our old hangups the to go by the

wayside. marriage, not so important. permission for bad men to be worse. there are plenty of decent men out there who do not behave this way. all of these guys in your clips were powerful and entertainment or politics where they have the ability to exert that kind of control over others. no women -- interesting. if men and women were exactly the same and had the same broken city -- same -- for bad behavior, the same amount of people for bad sexual behavior women? you do not see it. this happens to be a particularly male thing. >> using a politician -- you see a partition or a media figure

said it is not true, it did not happen. what is a reaction? >> it is staggering. sin,ying is the greatest maybe. if someone can forward and said --one of the people livingston said, you caught me. i did it. i am resigning because that is the right thing to do. i urge clinton to do the same. that is better than the outright denial. they behave atrociously toward women and then everyone by lying about it. >> why do the woman state -- why do the women stay with them? >> they have children, to

divorce and break up a family and cause tremendous pain to a lot of people. i would not presume to judge anybody who finds themselves in a situation. >> in your book, if i can find it, you write this -- far too many young men behave like pigs. >> yes, they do. one thing i noticed. as with so many things in our culture, the questions about have divided people. your people on the right to say it is a hoax, it does not exist. you have people on the left saying we have a misogynistic society that raises men to be racist. i do not think we -- to be rapists. i do not think we raise men to be rapists. i think it is wrong to deny.

all of the statistics i have looked at and students i spoke to, it is undeniable the gates have swung open for a lot of terrible behavior on the part of a lot of men. some of them get caught. many do not. >> you write about the liberals'reaction to their site getting caught with these sexual diversions and the conservatives. how do both sides react to it and why? >> in the past, i take some of the major feminists test for their excuse making for the clinton after they came her -- came down hard on -- they gave him a pass. funny thing has happened in the interim. you have a republican in the

white house who is also accused of terrible behavior. you have a lot of republicans, including religious leaders, making excuses for him for political reasons. past -- i read a column franking the way barney -- jerry -- these two were found with inappropriate actions with pages. jerry was a democrat from massachusetts, openly gay. he was returned to office after .his misdemeanor his constituents side. did i get the name wrong? >> he was a democrat. >> dan was with a young lady.

was drummed out of his office by his constituents. there you go. the conservative voters are holding their partitions to a higher standard. right now, the democrats are doing a good job of tried to hold their side accountable. i do not know what switched. it has been noticeable they have people.ling to go after >> you had a moment at a recent cpac event. i would like you to explain what happened and the follow-up. margie ross -- >> moderator. >> let's watch.

>> i am disappointed in people on our side who are being hypocrites about sexual harassers and abusers of women in our party who are sitting the white house, who brought about their extramarital affairs -- who brag about their extramarital affairs, mistreating women. r happens to have he has an after his name, we look at other way. we do not complain. this is a party ready to endorse the republican party roy moore evenhe senate in alabama, though he was a credibly accused child molester. you cannot claim you stand for women -- booing] and stand up for that. -- [heckling]

and stand up for that. >> the woman in the back yelling, it is not true. could you hear that? >> i could hear it. i could see the people. 40% ofh guess, 35% to the audience with with me, plotting and -- me, a plotting fort. applauding and so people were -- forth. people were saying it was a witch hunt come he was framed, and it was not true. >> how much did you think about that before you did it? >> i do not think of what words i would use. we not seem to be -- making excuses for our side. i was determined to say that. the other thing that was upsetting about who cpac invited was they invited marine le pen,

a member of the nationalist party in france. i am a truly worried about the conservative movement in america. cpac has an important part. >> we have a clip of that. >> speaking of bad guys. -- bad guys, there was an interesting person who was on stage the other day. her name was mary in the pen -- le mary le pen -- marine pen. why was she here? i think the only reason she was here was her name -- le pen. her name is a disgrace. her grandfather was a racist and a not see. -- she and -- and a nazi. she claims she stands for him. the fact cpac invited her was a disgrace.

>> you plan that? [laughter] >> not exactly in those words and yes, i have something to say. >> what triggered that? the knees of -- the niece of -- >> as soon as i heard cpac invited her -- last year, the invited milo yiannopoulos. >> why did you go? >> i wanted to speak up to them directly. received a tremendous amount of support from liberals. i received a lot of support from conservatives who say i speak for them and they are sorry. angry responses. that happens. >> anybody cut the column?

>> not that i know of. >> when did you decide to be anti-trump? >> it was not a decision. the time i was aware of him in public life, i thought he was a repellent figure. [laughter] , in i was living in new york remember him parading on the tabloids, his adventures with his mistress while he was married. i am still pretty old-fashioned about behavior. this is something i hope to talk with feminists about. aboutshould be together what a proper way to treat women is. it should begin -- marry men -- married men should be expected to be gentlemen. all men should the gentleman.

piece steinem in her defending bill clinton went through this long litany of why his relationship with monica lewinsky was not a problem. she said he was can show -- was consensual. she implied lewinsky was the instigator. never once she said bill clinton was a married man. that is part of what it was awful. >> here is gloria a couple of years ago. those who do not remember her, she is still alive and around. >> this is the upside of the downside. this is an outpouring of energy and true democracy like i've never seen in my long life. [cheering] wide in age. it is deep and diversity. remember, because decision does not begin with i, the president.

it begins with we, the people. >> where did that march -- in your opinion -- this was january 1, 2017. where does it fit in? number of women who are feeling furious about the way men have behaved -- i'm not sure they would diagnose it the same way i do. have always been beasts. it has been worse in the past and now, it is getting better somehow because they are getting more educated by feminism. i had a different take. human nature is what it is. people have bad impulses. the task of civilization it is to curb the impulses.

somebody who was a child in the 1960's and grip with feminism, i have a strong sense feminism behaviorof this possible. i stress again, most men are not bad. >> is a you became feminism's mouthpiece. why? the nuclear family. feminists were sure until you destroy the family, women would never achieve true equality. hollywood made movies about domestic abuse and movies the training family life as pathological. portraying family

life as pathological. in most cases, it is a treasure. >> did you read them and mystique -- read feminine mystique when it came out? >> no, i was in first grade. >> have you ever read it? >> yes. >> she had a family. >> she is one of the only second wave feminists who had children. most of not, but she did. she was aer life, mother and that was important to her. she backtracked. she wrote the second stage, where she retracted and got criticized for it. >> issues in 1990 -- here she is in 1993. >> i was a housewife, but i cannot get rid of the itch to do something.

women'seelancing for magazines. none of the other mothers in the suburb were working. the magazines i wrote for either turned it down or rewrote it to say the opposite. i knew i would have to write the feminine mystique. >> what impacted the book have? >> tremendous. some women set a change their lives. it changed our society's perception of women's place in society and what women want. it was based on a faulty social science and anecdotal evidence. prepositions -- it would

not hold up to at all. we would collect junk science. it was a huge the seller. seller.best >> what are the chances your book will have the same impact? >> it will. [laughter] >> what you expect to happen? who do you want to read the book? >> everyone, particularly happy if gunmen and women read it -- is young men and -- if young men and women read it. >> have your boys read it? >> yes. >> did they react differently to it? >> they read it in different stages. published, they will read the whole thing straight. >> did they say, hey mom, you got this wrong? >> not really.

one said i cannot wait for this book to come out so all my friends can read it. >> do they all think alike? >> no, they do not. >> how did that fit with you when they marched to the conservative drum? >> i must have done something right when we raised children to think for themselves. a very much do. >> did you fight anybody who disagrees with you? >> it is always pleasant when people agree with you. you always think people who agree with you are smart. i have one son who disagrees with me on many things. i would never say anything about him because he makes the statement. it keeps me sharper. it forces me to confront the other side. >> when you started out as a columnist, how many women were

writing columns? >> one or two. there was again geyer -- was -- there were a few. any to you because you are a woman? becauseickback to you you were a woman? was not aas because i liberal. cannot he pigeonholed into a slot. >> when you turn on television and look at the news networks, do you see a -- networks, using a tremendous number of women reporting the news. how did that change? when i started, there were none. >> that is true. they were -- there were restrictions on where they could

be. they had to be in a certain part of the balcony. semitism.od aspect of women were allowed to spread their wings and go where they wish. i am all for that. it has been a great boon for women in our society. >> your book is a subheading with marx and freud. what are they doing in your book? >> the views of the second wave feminists -- i read a lot of the big blockbuster feminist tracks from the 1970's. they seem antique at this point. at the time, our culture, the intellectual climate was very dominated by freud and marx. were godfathers of the intellectual. now, it is sothem

out of date. yet, it was incredibly important in their thinking. i note the irony. feminists got a lot of their males --m european amusing. neither freud or marks has held up-- or marx have held . >> was freud's point? >> he had an entire schema of how the mind worked. he believes the root of most adults euroseas was a childhood -- adult neuroses was in childhood. their boys want to marry therers and -- mary -- marry their mothers and kill their fathers. castratedeve they are

and they have penunis envy. it has been dismissed by th psychology and psychiatry. therapeuticwledge setting is good for people. people benefit from it. behold 40 and schema of how the andn works -- the whole 40 freudien schema of how the brain works -- unscientific. page 162 -- imagine a german -- german it -- imagine if angela merkel -- would it be a positive statement she is free

from body image issues? if you are pest because she never forgets to don a blouse? why did you bring up angela merkel? >> this is in a section where i was describing how we send confusing messages to young people. i do not envy them. i quoted one -- i am proud of my body and i want to help young women with body image issues. that is a crock. women should be dignified. when you disrobe, it is hard for people to take you seriously.

a man looking at a picture of a topless women is not going to say, look at that fantastic athlete. is it wonderful -- is it not wonderful she is not have body image issues? he will not think of her in a respectful way. angela merkel, the chancellor of germany, would not take off her blouse to prove she does not have any image issues. she was to be respected. if women want to be respected, they have to behave in a way that will elicit that. >> you sent me on a wild goose chase -- in a mission. when you talk about sexual assault on campus. website, what- a is your perception of what is going on on college campuses? it is complicated. it is a long chapter.

there is bad behavior, but there mixed signals. students are encouraged to engage in hookup culture, getting very drunk and hooking up with people. it is sex first and get to know you later. many students do not participate in this. it is not universal. there is a lot of it. >> a majority? >> it is unclear from the statistics. i would not say it is a majority. when freshmen arrive, that is what they do because that is how they break into campus. that is when a majority of rape accusations are leveled.

that is one part of it. many women have different signals. men can interpret what we think of polite as encouragement. they can be persistent. they have testosterone. i talk about the psychological effects of testosterone. it makes you more risk-taking, confident.

the next morning, they tell their friends what happened. their friends say, you were raped. i am careful to say. there are rates -- to say, there are rapes. some guys should be in prison for what they did. those are crimes. other examples of what leads to accusations are murky. it is not clear. result ofely, it is a a hookup culture that is not healthy.

women say so in the polling if they had their way. even men are not happy with it. if youn and women, ask -- otalone.gov. it is the department of justice. it shows how many grants are every year. anybody can get on here. you can get in on your home and check to see -- you cannot read it well. there are hundreds of thousands of dollars given out across the country. is $150l for the year million are given to cities, counties, universities, different entities. i wrote down what does not make sense. $900,000 instance,

2017. $459,000.illinois, fairfax county, virginia, one of the richest, 900 thousand dollars -- $900,000. there are hundreds and hundreds of them issued by the justice department, all to deal with sexual harassment. how did we get there? what is your opinion of the federal taxpayer paying for the these kinds of things? >> they do not only give money, but guidelines. one of the things the justice department discourages grantees from doing is programs encouraging women to limit their drinking -- and men.

that is victim blaming, you're not allowed to spend money on that. a victoryconflated -- of the feminist point of view -- sexual harassment with sexual assault. i am keen to make the distinction. there is a world of difference between sexually harassed, gross or inappropriate behavior in the workplace or school, or being assaulted, a criminal act. i do not like this melding. lines ought not to be blurred. >> if you live in decatur, illinois, and get no money from the government, what you want your taxpayer money to go to? for such a harassment reasons? where does that come from? >> we borrow it from china. you could say the same about a million other government grants.

federalormous -- the leviathan is enormous. >> this comes from an act supported by democrats and republicans. republicanand presidents have signed a bill to spend this money. , to seedy checking this how it is spent? >> people do not check any government programs. office. a liability it issues reports and they are ignored. can you think of a program that ended because it was ineffective or wasteful? i cannot. b> they shut down the ca years ago. >> fair enough. that is right. that is true. that was a great move. >> our viewers can get on

notalone.org and follow this bouncing ball. andepresentatives congressmen and senators like to say, i voted for a program that will help combat sexual harassment, sexual assault. they vote for this money and say i am for it to their constituents. this cannot be solved by spending. these are cultural issues. they have to be solved by changes in attitude and behavior. >> you write about a woman named emma, a student at columbia university. he went to college in the same area. -- you went to college in the same area. on2014, she is sitting columbia's campus with a

mattress next her. [video clip] >> i am a senior in college. i am a visual arts major. for my senior thesis, i will be doing a piece called mattress performance or carry that weight. i will be carrying this dormer mattress with me everywhere i go . >> why did you bring this up? one of the pieties of the feminist movement is women never lie and you have to believe all women. that is overly broad. people live for lots of reasons. -- people lie for lots of reasons. justicertment of reports 7% of rape claims are not true. in her case, there is a great

area.- is a grey found she had not been raped. she accused was able to --vide facebook messages >> she took this matches everywhere she went? >> she did. that became a cultural meme. some mattresses showed up on other campuses. a man she a key -- the man she accused one his case against columbia.

columbia issued an apology. >> why would columbia university allow somebody to carry a mattress into all their classes? >> fashionable, i guess. [laughter] they wanted to be seen as on the right. they are terrified of being accused of not handling these accusations with enough sensitivity. they have a lot of counselors. 49.ard has >> is a 54, i think. >> 54 -- you said 54, i think. >> that is 54 people?

>> it is a mess. the kids are not happy. family, iour chapter, want to read this. for kids raised by single -- only 5% of births for kids- 10% -- raised by thing a mothers, the poverty rate was 37.1%. mothers under the of 30, -- what happened? decided adult self expression in happiness

were more important than the needs of children. from unwedhe stigma childbearing. we have a huge problem with it. children who grow up with single parents are much more likely to have all kinds of problems than children grown up into parent's homes. it is germane to our problem of inequality, which no one talks about. about manufacturing jobs in globalization and the national petition and immigrants coming in -- national competition and immigrants coming in and taking our jobs. no one looks at the family structure. there is a class division. people who go to college, our upper class, if you will, tend waye liberal in the same

people were in the 1950's and 1960's. they wait to get married, have a child, and have an education. for people who have some college , the ratehool degree of legitimacy -- of illegitimacy --- the grounding is affecting every other part of our society, in theng the problems african-american community, where some of the young men are

in prison. the young women do not have meant jews from -- do not have men to choose from. held a debate on the senate floor. you say a congresswoman at the keptfrom colorado somehow pictures of aborted fetuses often for the house? >> she attempted to. i am not sure if she was successful. she moved to have them removed because she said it was in terrible taste to show images of aborted fetuses. feminist and liberal. after having her own baby, she

has mixed views about abortion. she wrote a piece you cannot ignore reality by, it bad taste. >> his 30 seconds of the debate. [video clip] once the child is born, separated from the mother, the child is protected by the constitution that cannot be killed? >> i would make the statement. as its constitution -- currently is -- some of you want to amend it. when you bring your baby home when your baby is born -- there's no such thing. i am not willing to amend the position to say the fetus is a person, which i know you would. >> to say a person is not a

person until he or she comes home from the hospital is not the traditional understanding of human rights in our society, the fact the mother may not want the child does not mean the child has no right to a life of its own. -- hey cases, including had a home waiting for him. >> should roe versus wade the overturned -- wade be overturned? >> yes. >> what the overturned? -- would it be overturned? >> i have no idea. >> he said you were a latchkey

kid. -- a latchkey kid? >> yes. >> i watched home from school and walked into an anti-house. since the hours between 3:00 antics :00 -- 3:00 and 6:00 on my own. my mother was a psychologist. >> how did you do different? i was fortunate to be in a field where i could work from home. i have a great husband. we managed with some help. we were able to give our kids what we hope it would need when they were young. sonou refer to your adopted

-- you knew you were in trouble he was more excited to see the nanny then you -- nanny than you. >> yes, we were feeling our way in the first few weeks. we do not know how to be it or what to do. we hired a gal to come five mornings a week. i would work and she would leave. a few weeks after we adopted him, i went in to wake him up and get him ready. he did not seem that thrilled to see me. i was trying to engage with him, play with him. he was impassive. i was scheduled to have a speech that morning. i had a full schedule planned. when he arrived, he lit up. he helped out -- when the nanny

arrived, he leit up. partly because he was adopted, i was more sensitive to the need to build the relationship. i do not give birth to him. everything was based on care. later when i had two more the old-fashioned way, i realized it is true of all babies. who takes care of them is who they love. that was important to me. >> will you write another book? >> i do not know. >> how long did this book take total? >> many, many years. many years of reading and study. 18 months of writing. >> how hard was it to sell the publisher? >> a little bit hard, there was --hed back because it is not

i guess it is a different take. the public has been enthusiastic. imprint?a conservative ,> yes, ping when -- yes penguin of random house. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> for free transcripts or comment about this program, visit us at q&a.org.

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