centert the buddy holly to hear about the lubbock native and his musical legacy. >> the city is very proud of the fact that he was born and raised here, and that the center is here, to keep his story alive, to keep his music alive. >> then, a visit to the vietnam center and archives located at texas tech university. the center is home to the largest collection of vietnam related material outside of the national archives. >> we have a lot of the different types of equipment that veterans would carry. from the things they carried, the first eight kids, the kits,s, the -- first aid the radios, the rations, the things they would work to protect them from shar shrapnel. at noonr: saturday eastern on c-span 2's book tv

and sunday at 2 p.m. on american history tv at c-span3. working with our cable affiliates as we explore america. to arenae take you stage in washington dc for a look at race relations and politics. this runs about one hour and a half. >> good evening, ladies and gentlemen. welcome to arenas stage. i serve as the deputy artistic director here. i am curious, how many of you have been to arena stage before? welcome back. i thought i would give you a little bit of context about civil dialogue programs. a few months ago, the professor sitting behind me and to my right, approached us feeling frustrated like many of us were,

about the lack of civil dialogue in our nation and how polarized we seem to be. he wondered whether arena stage could be a place for civil dialogues to take place were we deliberately bring together people with multiple perspectives on a topic that might be difficult to discuss and engage in the act of listening and speaking with one another civilly. when he approached us, we thought this was a real good match with our mission because as a theater company, that is what we strive to do every day in our shows. put up some ideas on stage and together the community and the audience. and hopefully you leave the theater with conversations. so we thought, with people come to dialogues that we host here without the show? so we did a couple of test. this is the third of the tests. i am pleased to see some many of you here and say that people are

-- and see that the answer was yes, people are hungry for this. so, we will be continuing these dialogues into the late summer and fall. you will see the list of upcoming dialogues in your program. as this is about dialogue, to whet your conversation-maker, i would say, turn to somebody near you. hopefully someone you didn't come here with, -- we're only going to take 30 seconds -- shareware you came with one another. go ahead, take 30 seconds for that. [indistinct conversations]

[indistinct conversations] >> wonderful. wonderful. so hopefully, you had the opportunity to meet someone new this evening.

just a reminder, turn off your cell phones or any other noisemaker you may have on you. special thanks to c-span covering this dialogue this evening. without further ado, let me turn this over to the professor who will shepherd us through this conversation. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much. i greatly appreciate the extendn of arena stage their armor and give us the opportunity to continue a conversation with you. before we proceed, i need to ask you all to indulge me just for one minute. because i want to talk for one minute about a subject that we will not discuss tonight. but i cannot as an immigrant and parent and a human being and think that it is ok

that our government takes children from their parents, many younger than four, and incarcerate them separately. and then even sometimes after their immigration status is cleared, they still have a hard time reuniting with their children. and in the past, these children ended up with human traffickers. you am not going to tell what to feel, by those of you who share my feeling, i hope we hear your voice. to do in thisry series, is to do two things at the same time. that people come from different backgrounds and different viewpoints, and they can have a civil dialogue. we tried twice before, and it is course, by far our most challenging topic. especially: each

other to have a frank conversation, but one that is mutually respectful. secondly, the topic for tonight is, what we envision race relationships should be in the united states 30 years from now. so.050 or and how are we going to get there? preparing myself tonight, i talked with a lot of people. some of you and some others, and it may not surprise you that it is an extremely complicated issue. the media talks about ,lack-white, so on and so forth completely monolithic committees, each with one viewpoint. it is far from it. to my surprise, i've found that there are differences in each community. it is hard to believe, but it is true. there exist differences among the committees. example, mexican and

cuban-americans are much further apart such as followers of bernie sanders, and so on and so forth. among the foundations that keep coming up in these conversations, i would just like to mention some then turn it over to you. one issue that keeps coming up is, do we really want to aspire to a colorblind society? , as more and more people told me, -- this is so yesterday, this integration is idea is something -- integrationist idea is something that a lot of us are losing faith in, and instead, we are thinking about a policy which is a race-conscious policy. i'm not sure exactly what that means, but that is what we are discussing. other people do the distinction between structural and personal racism. to a greater extent, what they mean by this is to say, some

people believe that if you work hard enough, dedicate yourself, you can pull yourself up with your own bootstraps, and ,hatever things are in your way a minority person should just be able to bulldozer ahead. some of this discussion came up on the role of black fathers. that ifa again, minorities would do their thing, everything would be dandy. in contrast, the structural idea is that racism is deeply embedded in our institutions, our our structure, in our economy. torefore, it is not subject an individual that can tackle their own. another conversation which i found particularly intriguing, is the role of class. you find on the one hand, people of say, to avoid the sense

discrimination or bad class, we should really focus on helping all people. all disadvantaged people, disregarding the racial background. then, the push back to this idea ,as been -- minorities especially african, suffered extra injustice. if you go class-based, you won't be able to correct for the extra important imbalance. and then you get combinations. classace, you have to and , and so on and so forth -- to have to class, and so on and so forth. finally, and the one i find particularly intriguing was a phrase which is controversial but i find it surprisingly helpful as a conversation trigger, is -- check your privilege.

some people take that to mean that white people should shut up , because they have been privileged for so long, it is a now the time for other people to speak. i just read a book called "so you want to talk about race," and the author explains, that is not what the phrase means. the phrase means that when white people feel they did better because it worked harder, same more and such, they should check and see, to what degree they , whethera achievements they are really due to their own efforts, or because of advantages they had and other people didn't? to sum up the frameworks in which the conversation might be framed here, we promise each other, you made a commitment that each of the speakers will speak only for five minutes in the first round and there are trapdoors.

[laughter] to save time, we will not introduce those speakers. you have the full bio in the program. >> thank you so much. it is wonderful to be here. you posed a challenging question for us, and i guess i would start by saying, i'm hoping that by 2050 we will be much further along in our race relations than we are today. that people will see the basic humanity in others that is lacking. just today, many of you know, out ane barr tweeted horribly racist statement about valerie jarrett. we have a president who, to my

mind, consistently and in a mind-boggling way denies that humanity of others. a mexican-american judge cannot be fair, he says. muslims, immigrants should not be allowed into the country. these are astounding statements coming into the 21st century. so, we would be much further along in 2050. how to get there, i think, integration has a lot to do with it. ? >> i have spent the last 20 or 25 years writing about efforts to integrate schools at the k-12 level and at the elite college level. i am now starting to get into housing, which lisa knows far more about than i do.

at the end of the day, we want to be in a position where a politician, who runs for office trying to denigrate and demonize other groups of people would be unsuccessful, because everyone will have gone to schools and lived in neighborhoods, where they know individuals from different backgrounds and would know how wrong it is to paint a broad brush about other people. now, in the integration effort, and here i will probably be more controversial. i think we should emphasize issues of class as well as race. take, for example, the challenge of integrating our elite colleges. a place like harvard university

is now majority-minority. which, is a wonderful thing, but what they tend to do is assemble wealthy students of all colors on their campus. so, they have built, in essence, kind of, a multiracial aristocracy. which is better than an all-white aristocracy, but it is still an aristocracy. [laughter] so at harvard, they have as many students coming from the top 1% by income as the bottom 60%. there are more students from the top 10% by income, than the bottom 90%. the problem is, our diversity efforts fall short when the ignore class, and white, working-class people recognize that.

one of the most astounding polls i've ever seen was one in which white working-class voters now say they are as likely to be discriminated against as african-americans. now, on one level, it is complete nonsense. we just know the names, all you had to say are the people who tamir rice, all you have to do is say the people o who have faced racism and suffered terrible consequences because of it. to know that it is wrong for white, working-class people to say they are likely to be discriminated against -- they are as likely to be discriminated against. having said that, the affirmative action programs, are geared exclusively toward race. if we are going to move forward, i think we need to have programs that will integrate us by race,

class and pay special attention than we have in the past two to issues of economic inequality. that, after all, is where martin luther king was headed toward the end of his life with the poor people's campaign. it is where reverend barber is now headed in trying to resurrect the poor people's campaign, anything that that is where we need to go if we want to truly become a more united country in the years to come. >> greetings everyone. so, what do i want this world to look like in 2050? i will tell you, i would like to be in the world and not be exhausted. dealing with white supremacy is taxing, emotionally, mentally, physically. when you say the names tamir rice or sandra bland or sterling brown, it is a visceral, sickening feeling.

i would just like to be in the world. as not nice or right? together or good, >> as good as any other person can be, and that not be a reflection of my race or my committee, or say something about who i i want to not worry am. about the fact that i have a 14-year-old nephew who may not as thiswledged beautiful boy who loves baseball and is a good student, and a thoughtful kid, who has a little sister at home, and older brothers. the world may not see him the way i see him. that keeps me up at night. that scares me because, truth is, he can die, today, for doing nothing other than walking around, listening to his car radio too loudly, listening to earphones, and not hearing someone tell him to freeze or to stop. of thehink this idea

--ld that i want to live in black fears -- and i will say black people in particular, because that is the community that i come from, and i care about -- not that i do not care about others, but that is the community i am speaking from -- black fears of white people are totally justified. white fears of black people are not. this narrative of black criminality that is allowed to justify our murders, our detentions, the indignity of being pulled over and put on the curve. being pulled aside in the metro station. being accused in a store of theft and being followed around because someone think you might steal something. and i got the talk from my parents -- when you go to the store, you keep your hands in your pocket. you have your money in your hand when you approach the counter. you don't put anything in a bag may you all a receipt for. it is funny, when you go to best

buy, they say, do you need a receipt? i say i am a black woman, and either bag with the receipt stapled to the outside, right? [laughter] quiets to say, i cannot fears to a certain extent over the ways in which those poor wife in particular, have been coddled, because a part of what i think is what gets us to this better place, is that we have to end this investment in white supremacy. that is not a white people problem, that is in all of us problem. i think we all do various things to prop up white supremacy. part of that is the talk we had to give our children. yes, that is the reality of the life that we live, but we should be able to tell people, hey you're going to the store, live , your life. walk-in as entitled as anybody else who has money to pay for that bag of groceries or that belt, whatever you want. we have to end that investment into white supremacy. this belief white people are superior, even for poor whites. that investment in white

supremacy has not walked them away from politics and policies that actually could have helped us, right? because they were invested in it. i think we have to talk about this wealth gap that is growing and not closing. it is getting bigger. blacks, latinos, asians, and in wealth generation. i think that reparations is going to be something we need to talk about, and economic redistribution. it is not a pleasant topic for most because people think they will lose something. but, you have to lose something to get something. if you want racial harmony, you have to do exactly what this country has never done, which is actually tried to remedy racial wrongs. you had to try to talk about the educational gap closing. i think that this idea that if you just go to school, if you just make the right choices, delay marriage, pregnancy and invest in your careers, you will be fine. but we look at student loan example, let for students of color -- the nominee

for the democratic governor of georgia had to answer for why he plus dollars,000 or more in debt. part of that is education and also, caring for parents. she comes from a not wealthy family. we have to have full voting rights for the first time. we have never had full voting rights in this country and i think that is a conversation we have to have. we have to talk about mass incarceration, not just talk about it, we have to end it. theink food inequality and scarcity is something else we have to talk about, along with housing and other issues. is that my five minutes? seema: you are doing very well -- dr. etzioni: you're doing very well. [applause] >> this question is existential for me. for a couple of reasons. the first is, what i do on a daily basis, as richard has artie eluded two, is tackle fair housing issues. my job is to remedy the vestiges

of residential segregation in america which was something that was constructed, orchestrated, designed. we are more residentially segregated today than we were 100 years ago. we are residentially segregated in many of our cities, many of them, and northern cities like chicago, detroit, milwaukee etc. , they are hyper segregated. they are segregated -- we are segregated as a society because de jureacto and does yo practices that were put in place and created separate and unequal societies. when i tell people that we are more segregated today than we were 100 years ago, people don't believe me. but, if you think about it, and go back and look at the history of america, and where african-american people lived, where white people lived, where native americans lived, etc., in

terms of proximity to one another, 200 years ago, 150 years ago, etc., you will see , that statement is true. so, how did we come from being a society that was not hyper-segregated, but very much had a very real class and caste a society that is hyper-segregated? we did that, because at the end of slavery, white people, because of white supremacy, felt , well, if you are not beneath me, if i do not have this systemic caste system that very clearly designates you as being me, then i cannot have you living next door to me. we have got to separate you from me. so from federal policies, down to state policy, to local

policy, our government but those put those policies into place to create separate and unequal societies. because of that, because we are a residential segregated society, it has made it so much easy, for thean, perpetuation and the creation of all of the disparities that niambi just talked about. educational disparities, wealth disparities, homeownership disparities, credit access disparities -- all of that is may profoundly easier because of residential segregation. and that is because in the united states, place is inextricably linked with opportunity. where you live matters. if you give me your address, i can tell you how long you are going to live. if you tell me where you live, i can tell you your credit score, .

i can tell you your chances of being incarcerated, the chance of your children graduating from high school or going on to get a higher education. i can tell you what kind of diseases you are most susceptible to if you just give me your address. and that is something, and my aspiration, my 2050 aspiration, is completely undone and unwound. we are living in my world by 2050, in communities that are open and fair, completely accessible, where all of the barriers of discrimination have been torn down. been torn down. the second reason this is existential for me is because i the second reason this is existential for me is because i did my dna test, my son and i. my son and i, like every other -- probably not every other, but most others overwhelmingly, the majority of african-americans in this country are interracial

people. we come from a global society. when i look at my ancestry map, it literally covered the globe. when i think about the fact that my ancestors come from every space, every place on the globe, this whole question of what do you waste relations look like in 2050, becomes so crazy. when you think about the reality of what america is today. but it also raises another interesting question, a question that we talk a lot about, the question of appropriations. appropriating someone else's culture, or appropriating someone else's ethnicity. if you are a multiracial person or a multi-racial society, and

identify as african-american, but realizing that my ancestry toso diverse -- if i decide learn how to rain dance, i my appropriating somebody else's culture? my ancestors were probably rain dancers, right? so this whole question opens up literarily a pandora's box for there, i will stop right because i think i have thrown out a lot of thoughts and ideas. i think when we talk about the question of race relations, when we think about our own ancestry and where we come from, ultimately as a human race, that changes the whole third on. it did for me, and i think, if other people thought about it, it would change for them as well. >> thank you. >> hi, everybody. it is even harder to begin to

have a conversation, i feel, about this topic. but i think the creation of a space where we can at least try, is one of the critical points of what is needed right now. particularly a fascinating and disturbing moment for somebody who works with a civil rights organization . we were tough and let the earlier and some of the civil rights organizations are turning was as year because 1968 seminal year in the civil rights dimension and there were also many things in turmoil happening not just in the united states but around the world. which sounds familiar to what we are experiencing right now. i think of 2015, there is probably some various

ways that i could think about how i would like to see them. similar tois very what my fellow panelists would say. i think the more aspiration one policye both from a perspective as well as, an individual level. the golden rule is something we are closer to kiting ourselves by and at is something that we like to go to the wind. it is closer to our behavior. again, not just as individuals but in the way our systems, our institutions use and wield the i think a lighter way to whenhat would be to say, comedians of any race were any

background can make jokes about no matter community, what the joke is, i think that would be great. in 2050, if like i'm having a discussion or part of a debate and there happens to be disagreement, one of the may not positions simply be a go back to where you came from. do not knowthey where i came from, they are making an assumption because of what i look like in the color of my skin. lastly, i would say that every time i watch the news or i hear a story elements something about someone doing something wrong, the first thing that comes to my mind is please let it be the

dish -- latino. tose communities are going be indicted for sale for the actions of an individual. in 2050, we will not be there anymore. i want to build with what has , at the end of the people and we are certainly seeing right now, coliseum politics. of divideternizing and conquer. the day, divide and conquer in seeking division between people, is it. form of control.

we have seen that division, when you are dividing people devastating -- designating a scapegoat is an important part some people of our community have point the front of that. it has also been .nstitutionalized i'd bring the divide and conquer because i think the purpose of that is to prevent equally situated people with equal concerns from coming together and hold accountable those who are actually inflicting those conditions. how class plays a role there. at some point, because i am more advocate,uate --

pointedly is more focused on, rather than the base of which one is more important. we have to break through the the one thing i would say is sometimes, the only thing that gets me through it is to take the long view. with the understanding that i am very impatient and that is not main waiting for things to change but by the longview, i mean that our country has had a very tortured history with many groups of people. learned our lesson and there is a reason why divide and conquer the -- comes up again and again. we fall for it every time. for us, one of the things we were thinking about is how these narratives and divide and

conquer politics are used to scare people about other people and in that sense of fear, creates an environment where folks are willing to go along and condone policies and violations of rights of other people. but it is mass incarceration spirit weather, it is the separation of parents from children who are coming to the reporter for asylum. the fact that people are willing to look the other way, because they have been made to be afraid of those folks were to mistrust their institutions and or to become numb to that because we and scarcitycity is compounded on us every single day until we start believing it. that sounds pretty dire right? the longview tells us that

eventually, we come to our senses. we do not quite as to where we need to go but eventually, we to shaken up and start adjust course. that atr good news is least 80% of americans are concerned about the tone of politics today. they are concerned about the visions. diversity isthe one of america's strengths. this is research that we did last year and frankly, i was very surprised. i was surprised because of low we have been seeing. the reason why i mention that is because i feel that our country right now is the equivalent of that child that is fiscal and she hears you are stupid.

you are not going to amount to anything. you are bad or what is happening is bad the people around you are bad. you know what happened said child. even though, there are more children that look a certain way to get to that, it affects a child the matter the color of the child. that is our country today. people are hearing every single day that the way our democracy is changing on ability that things are happening means that we have to make this country great again. weause it is not in because should be afraid of what it is paid for, the positive thing is they even in this toxic environment which is not new, this administration is a result of years and decades of building that up to this point. that is a moment of reflection. for me, the positive is that

even without that toxicity, overwhelming amount of americans think it is a strength. if we do not do something about that, they will end up leaving. -- believing that you are stupid. that is the point of intervention for all of us and i iink we can all do things and will leave you with this very tiny sample. mentioned, we are highly segregated and i know that the less you know about something, wrong perception of the thing can take hold. the reality is, we live in a very segregated country where stereotypes about others can take stronghold because we do not come into contact with people. -- because americans

believe that diversity is their strength and they are concerned with what is happening, they want to do something about it but it is hard to figure out what to do. think of small things that all of us can do what we can and you to do the big things that have not been exhausted. that is creating spaces where people can break it together. share stories and shared experiences that allow us to be at the entry point to look more about each other. organizations that would work anh decided to start setting example and started hosting recipes for unity events where they employ a diverse number of people in their communities to come together, break bad, and actually talk about food with food needs to them and their families as a way to engage in conversation. i think that is something that all of us can do. we can do it organizationally, you can do it as individuals. it as individuals.

you could do with partners. again, it is both. it is individual and institutional. >> before i go forward, i would like to go back. i grew up in a small rural town in northern california about three hours north of san francisco. they had an extremely high unemployment rate. if you than 10% of a high school classmate to college. i was a young republican. theught in to all small-town conservatism. i thought that welfare red dependency. i did not understand what my parents did not cross a picket line. and i thoughtun that made sense at the time. my world was a world of racial

stereotypes and i still recall an old this really vivid and painful memory of talking with my mexican american boyfriend to our otherm, friends know that you are mexican? he responded with, mexican is not a bad word. been ifwho i would have i did not have the opportunity to learn more about race and america. it was not until i was a sophomore that i began to really understand the mechanism and meaning of race and how fall and policies make race and make racial inequality. grace in my view is the social meaning that people attribute to our physical features.

powerful and life chances are determined in many ways but a social meaning. i admit, i see the world through a racial lines. read richards congress before and i wanted to be convinced about how we balance class and race but i would just tip the scales a little bit more towards race. when i look at these differentials in college admissions, i do not just attribute those differential test scores just to poverty and economic differences. i also think about implicit bias. class-basedthing a policy cannot do a good job with. i asked my students at the yourrsity of d-maryland,

teachers that you are really good at math and may be about half the asian-american students raise their hands. you, someone, a teacher and find that you are not good at school? every black student always raises their hand. d.c., icyvel across neighborhoods divided by class but also the racial segregation that i understand to be a function of slavery, jim crow, redlining, and now, in the last five years, racial discrimination in mortgage lending. that is not something that is in the past. that is today. when i see statistics on the workplace, i see that asian americans overall, have a higher income than he even whites.

if youknow that you can look within those social economic categories, people that same education, why to make more than asian-americans. class cannot dissolve this. the doctor has underscored that i am not trying attention to an eight racial differences with susceptibility to particular vulnerabilities based on physical features. i am trying attention to differential rates of exposure to racism. in my view, the future of race relations in the u.s., really depends on our ability to talk about race and racism now in everyday. it means, for me, race to some

degree. i would like to see a world in which we acknowledge as a society the work that racism continues to do to create inequality so that we can get to the heart of the problem. does this mean that we cannot also consider class or gender or immigration status? no. people who talk about race all the time, are always the ones gender, class, and immigration status. they do not think that racism only thing going on but they think is a really important, fundamental part of the problem. the -- we have seen legally explicit racism change and decrease over our lifetime. what will it take to make further changes in the future?

pew forumrom the shows that white millennials have more in common in terms of their ideas of race with other white people than they do with other non-white millennials. there has got to be an intervention and it is not just generational change. explicitntervention is racial policies that address racism. >> thank you. [applause] than what ire expected in terms of hearing. and authentic voices i'm just going to ask one

question and invite the rest of you to join the conversation. amitai: i wanted to ask you, what are you going to do about all of those rights? what i mean by that is for you to --k about welcome wealth and power. when you talk about reparations, you are talking about trillions. everything you said and implied.

they have not been very accommodating. you see already a backlash. you read the book, the one thing they all agreed on is when she asked him, is your life like you are climbing up a hill and people keep cutting in front of you? is that how you feel? that is how the majority of white people feel. here's the point, everybody talks about equality and that means everybody should participate. at the starting point, those who

are disadvantaged are always going to lose. equality before you get meaningful equality of opportunities. -- how do wethere? get there? janelle: a lot of people think about reparations in terms of an impossible project. they are not talking about a dollar for dollar transfer. they are talking about expanding social safety nets. about providing more robust programs to support this people of color and poor people. it is more of a metaphor and an actual transfer of wealth. one thing.

it is less of an impossibility that people believe because it is about expanding governmental services. asian-americans have a lot of economicsin terms of these days but they are actually one of the groups that is most likely to be ok with raising taxes on the rich for middle-class tax cuts and they endorse a bigger government with more social services. i know that it is not just about self-interest. it is about social interest as well and i think we can get there. what a we can do about whites? not everyone is racist and that is something we need to take into account. i know that there are many board for will get on inequality and social justice and we cannot write them off. we do not win anything without whites.progressive

i think there is a path forward, a coalition of people of cover and progressive whites and that is a possibility in the future. i think you actually reveal part of the issue with the question itself. times, we tendf to have conversations about race relations and the attempt to have it in a binary, us versus -- divide and conquer. inevitably, when people talk about multiculturalism or diversity, there is a sense that that means people of color. diversity and multiculturalism means everybody. actuallyabout

listening to realize the country we aspire to be fully old and accurate story of the country that we aspire to be. it is one that has it everybody. i think the problem with these issues is that we tend to have them in ways that reinforce the division the antagonism to actually tackle them. that was sort of encapsulated in the question. in order to get to this better vision of what race relations are going to be in this country, what is going to be done with once -- whites? that is part of the race relations issue. we're all in it together and me, thatinforces this notion

this is a people of color, not about whites in that whites are simply a problem. i think we needed a process that out how weigure inoculate ourselves better to the manipulation of -- that happens. in this country actually find themselves facing economic and social challenges. they find similarities to what people of color are experiencing. there is an ample amount of effort in trying to office reality. people do not find waste partner at work together. anywaying dismissive in because the structural things have been put in place to make this israel are incredibly

strong. way to preserve the structural racism is by making people complicit in that equation. the partnership has also has to be, at least up in complicit? community, folks who are suffering the same inequality of power and economic conditions in their own segregated communities, the same sometimes too willing to go with the demonization of other folks. day, we need the to look up of folks who are creating these conditions and why they are so intent on distracting all of us coming

together by turning us against each other. at times, there have been democrats willing to do it. we see a majority of republicans willing to be complicit. i am not going to write either party off or absolve them completely because i also think that they both have to be held accountable. one is definitely leading the charge right now but i am not going to write people off because they identify with one party or another. we need to create a bigger space. >> my. , theyou has to question transfer full at the history of this country, has been one way. it has been a one-way street. it is primarily been white men who have benefited from the

transfer of wealth. when the united states was first forming, we invited folks to emigrate to this nation. great britain established a system in the colonial. land was greeted primarily to whiteman based on the number of people in the household and that was the way that any families have been here for centuries and centuries gained land and wealth. it was given to them. that, through the taxpayer system, everybody. taxes and contributed to a a armed militia to go and take property and land from some people to give to

others. we did that as a nation. we have been transferring wealth. the homestead system with the sha system. throughout the entire history of this country, we have been transferring wealth. it has not been transferred in a way that benefited us all. biggest transference of wealth was after the third closure and financial crisis when we do taxpayer, bailed out wall street to the tip of trillions of dollars. one of the things that we have away to figure out educate the populist and to get the populace engaged.

when you talk about these issues, if i hear one more time that the community reinvestment act or the affordable housing goals costly foreclosure crisis, i am going to scream. that is not what caused the foreclosure crisis. wall street greed is what caused the foreclosure crisis and the housing crisis. we bailed out to the tune of trillions of dollars. when we establish that pillow program, that money that was to goldman sachs and all of those wall street players, do you know that they basically just paid each other off with that money, our money? the foreclosure and financial crisis, the wall street powerhouses were operating in the black. they were fully profitable

because we transferred wealth to them. we have ahink fundamental problem with the concept of transference of all but we have a problem with who is getting the wealth once it is transferred. that is a paradigm that we have to change. that change comes from policy advocacy,ducation, and holding each other accountable. i have told you accountable and you told me accountable. the other thing that i think clearly need to do is to change true, let'sthis is say we did have reparations in which we actually transferred assets, totary

people who have been underserved in the united states. of that money all would be transferred back to the most wealthy elimination. systems areuse our designed to funnel wealth away from some and to others. it is awaiting entire system is constructed. look at system, the financial system. the criminal justice system. the educational system. just go through and look at every system in the nation. the apparatus is designed and fromructed to strip will the masses and funnel it to the field. that is something we have to actually change and fundamentally overhaul all of the systems and apparatuses to that we can have more equality

and equity in our society. >> we actually do this on a religious basis of this country. we call it reparations but you can call the corporate and, if you call it. talking about reparations, i am talking about the legitimate repair of damaged communities. we know that we deny farmers's we know we did that and what that caused. the cause black families to lose properties. , there was a majority of black cities there and there are not now. we know why because that is when black people got out of 10. japanese interment, that was a real harm that we said we have to repent. it does not necessarily have to

come in a cash payment there are a number of ways that we could get creative how we do this. they don't creatively about how to do this for the states and their cities destroyed. by agents and other citizens of the state. it came in the form of education for us. we can do this a number of ways. for a lot of creative solutions, we lack the political will. in part, changing people's minds is the most difficult part of this. you want people to think about this. you're taking from the ticket to somebody else? we dos the conversation not want to have. when i say reparations, nobody else is taken about doing money to native american people who have had the land stripped or communities destroyed. nativeis thinking about

americans, they are thinking about that. that is one of the most fundamental relations and the country that needs to be worked out. it does not have to come in a direct cash payment. that is not how any of his works, we all pay taxes. even if there were reparations and so forth, we have all paid to them. native asian,tino we have all paid into the system. i do think people have to be, i do not know if it is just ignorance. have to do a better as a kind of restorative justice. i do not think we give the part of the conversation. there are communities that do not have proper dental care at all of these the things.

in the case of talking about something like therations for whomever, have to become a conscious and how we did that because we all face these kind of economic hardships differently. our communities of different. that is not by accident. what works for one community will not work for another. color consciousness has to be a part of the conversation. an country has never had issue with making policies and opened the country goes with them. they make the policy in the country follows. i do not know that we are going to win the public opinion debate on this issue but i think that there are a lot of things that

we take for all of the time that maybe unpopular that we do. i think it challenged me was a little bit different with how we get to class-based affirmative action and colleges missions? there are lots of obstacles. ,ight now, according to william what counts as college admissions? the biggest is given to athletes. increase in likelihood for emissions if you're an athlete. increase for0% minorities. third was legacies, the children of alumni's. i have a book called affirmative action for the rich. they get 8% percentage increase.

though income students got no bump whatsoever. the universities do not consider class. hadley go tois, getting some change on that. i do not think universities are going to do much on their own because they have incentives for racial diversity because race is a lot more visible to class. there are interest groups that are pushing for it as they should. thatecause it is not expensive to bring in wealthy students of all colors. class on the other hand, faces all of these obstacles. race ands visible on much more expensive because you have to provide financial aid.

the only lever for change that i see make a real difference is in the states where usually by voter initiative, people have said you cannot use race in admissions. suddenly, universities discovered class is not because they are interested in class diversity per se, but because it is the next best way to get racial diversity. state see, in state after after state, where affirmative universitiesnned, and administrators did not simply give up on racial diversity, they said let's find new ways to get there. sure that they provide a new presence is based on class. to my mind, there's his bizarre situation where a conservative decision to take away race and

so with a progressive result. thank you. a lot of good points. i want to sit on record that not only everyone agrees with you. it to you. anybody who wants a comment on such? would you start please?

>> i want to thank all of you for a great panel. i work at the george washington university. lastly, there was a lawsuit filed against columbia government for perpetuating a series of economic development policies over the years that had discriminated against people of color and in privileged white people in an effort to create a class for the district and it meant bringing in a lot of wealthy white displacing a lot of poor. have one in what we the district than not, my question is, what can be done of taking advantage of this kind of desire from the district that we get more equitable growth rather than, what some people would like to call revitalization? what is the key to more

equitable redevelopment in the district? >> my name is claudia faris. i think the conversation is about to change. americanving into an plutocracy. they are all kinds of movement's underground that are radically changing the structure and relationships in our society where everybody will be affected by this concentration of wealth. to get beyond,r we have to get ahead of these kind of movements and i do not know how to do that but it takes to be incorporated into how we define the problem. because itttempt to has some fair housing issues will then. there are all kinds of strategies to making sure that economic development can be done in a more equitable fashion. example, under title iii,

particularly, if there are any federal funds involved in the development, you can require the underserved groups are actually employed in the development or construction of the buildings or that underserved communities are going to be employed after the businesses or retail are constructed and set up. you arealso make sure given opportunities for small businesses to have an opportunity to be a part in the development. programs all kinds of some people may refer to them as minority enterprise business development programs that require minority owned businesses have a shot at taking part of the development.

when you talk about how housing development programs, you can those newa slice of houses that are developed for are affordable and the residents who formerly lived in the community have a first right of refusal at those new housing units that come onto the market. problem, the district of columbia does have these programs that i just mentioned. the problem is enforcement. if you do not have enforcement of these goods company you are just going to end it with the same result. i think that is one of the reasons the district was sued. >> so brilliantly sunil of more

of a housing so i will stay away from it. you put your finger on something really important with this concentration of wealth. had a piece in the new york times about robert kennedy's 1968 campaign for president what he brought together african american voters and working-class whites included, a lot of people who ended up voting for children wallace. in times of great economic theperity, and equality, genie index that measures inequality was at its low point. and equality has grown much greater. the question is whether this concentration of wealth and concentration of poverty will toally open the door bringing back the coalition of that bobby kennedy was able to because from a

logical standpoint, it would be much easier to do now than it was 50 years ago. i just want to thank everyone of the panelists to all that you contributed to this discussion. this question is for ms. carter. you open up your discussion with such urgency about our black man. how is killing you day by day. i want to go to that with this racial issue. we have the system problem. this problem is killing people. at an alarming rate, it is killing our black men. which is had a mother's it for us and say, daylight day, the system is killing her.

i would like for you to speak a little bit more to that because it is not about repairing the system. america is not working. it is not working. people are dying because of it. america has not taken black people at of the allocation of land. what is the question for america? is howstion for america do you really think about black people? people of color? that is your question. all of your system and everything you are navigating around, is the answer to that question.

thank you for your question. i am sorry i did not get your name. it is urgent, it is not just killing black men and boys, it is killing women and girls. we are in a city where black women are more likely to die giving birth. serena williams almost died giving birth and she is rich. what is having for me? you're right, the system is broken and i meant protecting the people because i do not know we can repair the system. we did not build it and i do not know his job it is to fix it. think, psychological and emotional plea, the stress of this, does kill people. there is a level of broken heartedness that i do not think we given a credit to. depression, stress,

obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, these things kill people. maternal health. they if he that you can pass stress onto baby. this is intergenerational sickness that happens. i will say, i do not know if i'm being coherent but i was brought up like most people. you make the right choices, you make the right decisions in life will open up for a. i went toof that, college, i do not have children young out of wedlock. i went to graduate school and got a job. -a loans my taxes. am at 40, where is all of this other stuff in life? i delayed having children. is it possibility in my life? that is not just an issue that i am having, that is a lot of

women. i do not buy my first home until i was 40 because in the city, buying a home is difficult and that is being nice and i have good credit. i did all of those things are yours posted. -- you are supposed to do. is ioint i want to make feel it, i feel it talking to you right now. it is all over me. as much as i can intellectualize it, as much as i can put it into pretty words, white supremacy kills people every day. all of the other things that people do to cope, it is a public health concern. racism is a public health concern. they are all connected. >> thank you very much. >> thank you all very much for

everything you. street, iident on the a compelling about vision or example we can look to what we talk about this. it can be paralyzing because we talk about what we are running from. we know what is not working. can we look to, what pockets of society other places where the vision of what you guys are talking about is working. receive thats to are racially diverse as still have high trust index. what we talk about people being uncomfortable with transferring. began aske they first an ideal but then they do not want right next to. -- right next to them. who can look to?

>> it is totally lopsided or one-sided. the three elephants that i thought were missing from the room, one first of all, diversity ise more his heads, the less social cohesion. anything,, if societies are fractured due to diversity. there are differences within groups. it is the realities of different cultural values.

do the same thing. see what kind of society you have. name, i mustd last addition. i've looked at the democratic traits. if control groups do not clean up their acts, i want to you with what is going to happen in society. >> i am exhausted by the question. it has to be provocative

endorsements -- and he was placed. attempt to bean nice, but that question is loaded with so much garbage. am being as civil as i can be because we give to many passes. point, was as if assuming? what are you saying about people's values? >> you how we might talk about people having cultural things but the moment we decide they are cultural values make you less of person, we're at the end of a conversation. i am not going to begin a conversation on the premise of racism and problematic. somebody owes cap but i'm not

going to do that. [applause] he had a question about countries that are doing it well. i do not know any countries that are doing really well with diversity and social things. i just wanted to jump in with a couple of things. with of all, i do agree this panel isat, lopsided. that, i do think some of the comments that were made are an example of the things that people buy into. inclined and sinker without doing a lot of things.

this notion that diversity leads to less cohesion can be proven wrong if there were some circular argument in that. that the longing to a particular group or any given group means that there is a monolithic thinking in that group. i am not sure why we need to have a debate about the. from the latino community, which many people regarded as a monolith, it is actually, a very diverse. i would be the first one to challenge the. take the latino community as an example. is anno by the way american construct. usa, peopleonly like me, who are of hispanic origin and can be from a number of different places.

language,eup, class, we have beenglish, here since before the birth of the nation. the overwhelming majority of latinos, shockingly, are united states citizens. even though he everybody thinks that all latinos do not belong, let me take that is in a sample -- an example. that our fullerit and for us to bite into. we are not born thinking that because you are black and i am latino is somebody is why, we are different and there is less cohesion. we get lead in the direction. this notion that diversity by itself is leading to less cohesion would argue that it is an organic thing but it is not.

>> so, i think an agreement that this question does not deserve a response but there are 100 school districts in this country that are now trying to bring kids of different accounts together the net economic status and race and talking periodically about the students in the school's gives me a lot of hope. effort to support diversity and it just led. that is what i can my optimism. i'm glad he actually mention this. i do not speak spanish but i am tino.atino -- afro-la

i wanted to ask about quarter as a commodity? we are in the southwest, we are a experiencing an economic and social change and something that could change politics. there's this idea that if you these different attempts that alsoevelopments, can be a word that is synonymous with communal development at the same time, you can have shuttles go to the simplest areas that are completely missing. the areas that are of no economic value. the whole idea is even accessibility from point a to point b. at the same time, point a is a very expensive hotel.

you have this idea of the creative cultural expression and you have these incredible cultural values so you can think to yourself, i am million the city. i'm with everyone. you are actively ignoring the people who live here. you can look around and see the people who you see people who are doing difficult labor, they are not white. you say that, this is diverse and we are doing back to the community. time, there is a continued feeling of gratitude of having an intellectual stimulation like this conversation, but you are not actively practicing these ideals. how can you -- how can you market having better racial relations without creating

minority cultural's as a commodity? >> we've time for one brief comment. >> so the question is, we are at the arena stage. we are talking about diversity. what have we done to foster true access to this kind of conversation? that is a hard question. i think it is a very good critique and i will leave it at that. i think it is a very good critique and we need to think more about how to integrate. i will also answer the other question the quick about diversity as a -- diversity and also cohesion. the important thing is that there has been critiques of that work and how we define social cohesion. sayefore we close, let me the conversation have to continue. as we are desperate to help.

spirit wet deplorable will bring both trump supporters and progressive book and see if we can have a conversation. this one,ou survived the worst we heard was that i was binary. i have heard that before. we need to quebec to the question how we show respect to everybody, even those who we disagree with. the country i think is still moving to the right. if you want to get what we talked about, we need to be able to bring and many more people. we have not exhausted the subject. i think you would agree. >> august 12 we will get together and talk about the artificial intelligence. which allegedly is about to kill our jobs.

they are making weapons autonomous so they can kill those who make them and ultimately, computers are usposed to -- please join august 12. [applause] [laughter] >> one more time, thank you to the panel. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> this week, you are watching

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