substance of mr. mueller's investigation but the manner in which it was created and your involvement in that is very much directly related to that. when we return, we will have more questions for you regarding that as we indicated earlier. now the committee will stand in recess for votes and we will reconvene at 2:00 p.m. >> coming up in 30 minutes,

georgia congressman doug collins discusses fbi agent strzok's testimony on the rest investigation. eight: 30, representative norma torres of california discusses u.s. immigration policy. ♪ it's the washington journal for june 13. president trump meets with the british prime minister at this criticized thee leader over the approach being taken to brexit. fbi agent peter strzok battles with house republicans yesterday about the text messages, and his role in the clinton investigation. you can see that hearing at c-span.org, and comment on either of those stories that are

happening and anything else in the first half hour this morning, and here is how you can participate. it is (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to post your thoughts about the stories and more on twitter, you can do so at @cspanwj, and you can also post on our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan. the hearing with peter struck , a joint took place hearing looking at actions he did not only with his personal texts, but his views on the clinton email investigation. the hill reporting, saying peter thursday was viewed as a key to exposing systematic from top officials against donald trump during the 2016

presidential campaign. the house judiciary and house oversight and government reform ran close to 10 hours, with republicans unleashing on was, from the beginning, a rancorous, partisan cage match. peterpoke with strzok as to why he was kicked off the investigation, but here is a bit of that exchange. [video clip] my question is, if you were kicked off when you read the text, shouldn't you have been kicked off when you wrote them? >> not at all. >> well, it wasn't the discovery of your text, mr. strzok, it was the existence of your bias that got you kicked off. gowdy, it wasn't. i don't have bias. my personal opinion in any way -- >> why did you get kicked off? why did you get kicked off?

>> gowdy, it wasn't. got kicked off was those text in the perception they might create some -- >> weight, hang on a minute. democrats was the 13 -- that was a perception problem too. they were not kicked off, you were. why were you kicked off? >> i cannot speak to special counsel mueller's -- >> how long did you talk to him? how longer do talk to him when he let you go? >> can answer the question? >> you will be afforded the opportunity to answer the question. >> my recollection is it was a short meeting, around 15-30 minutes. testimony is bob mueller did not kick you off because of the context of your because kicked you off of the appearance he was worried about. >> what i responded to, he was

worried because of the appearance he was worried about. >> he kicked me off based on any bias, but it was done on the appearance. if you want to represent what you said accurately, i am happy to answer that ashton, but i do not appreciate that being changed. having ant appreciate fbi agent with an unprecedented level of animus working on two investigations in 2016. host: only a bit of the exchange in that long hearing yesterday. you can see that for yourself, all 10 hours on c-span.org. that happened in the united states. in the british sun tabloid this morning, this greeted readers this morning, the sun headline -- may has wrecked brexit. the u.s. deal is off. in an interview, the president did with a reporter from the sun, saying the u.s. president delivered his incendiary verdict on her negotiating strategy in a world exclusive interview with the sun. in an extraordinary intervention times to coincide with the u.k. visit, trump said he -- theresa

may ignored his advice by maintaining a soft brexit strategy. more about that in just a bit, but as we go on this first half-hour of the program, your thoughts on this story and others. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. up first.are helen in north carolina, go ahead. helen in greensboro, north carolina, good morning. hello, youlo? host: are on. go ahead. caller: yes, i want to make a thingt about the strzok yesterday. mr. cohen --and i am a democrat -- when i hope and pray that in november, his

constituents will vote him out of office. my brother, all of my family served in the military, and for him to say that that gentleman, mr. struck, deserved a purple heart is appalling. also, the democrats, they look like the laughingstock of the country. host: let's go to maine, independent line. alan is next. caller: good morning. first, a simple observation. this will be a little unusual, , who- emperor trump nominally is operating as president of the united states, understanding his posture and what he is doing in terms of have it he is attempting to become the emperor, not just of the united states, but emperor trump of the world.

-- ionger answer, or the will keep it relatively brief -- is for any who have watched trump's agencies over the past couple of days, he is trying to embarrass them and bring down any other leaders in the world. that is very obvious. reador those who may have an excellent history of the u.s. revolution called "revolution against empire," which is what the american revolution was against, it is clear we have two .hoices, two paths one is the path toward global democracy, and the other is the path of global empire. host: donald in pennsylvania, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning, c-span. comments from the

caller of north carolina. as a military veteran, i am among those who have earned a received a purple heart. for that congressman to make a comment that the fbi agent should have gotten a purple heart for his testimony on that day, not only is it appalling, it is disrespectful and dishonoring to all military veterans. whoink he owes our veterans have received a purple heart a public apology. thank you for having this information on the air. host: if you go to the pages of the tennessean, it says the fbi text whose anti-trump messages fuels suspicion, he said on thursday his work and never been tainted by politics. "representative steve cohen of supportoffered strzok full of fiery exchanges. you a purple heart,

i would." line,n our republican maryland, this is willy. go ahead. theer: i have to agree with second caller, unlike the other caller. i think it is a case of our democracy being threatened. and thethe gentleman democrats -- even though i'm a republican -- gave a great account of what they did and how they handle this. i think if anything, my own party, the republicans, look like a bunch of jackasses out there. if i had to take a playbook out of james cargill, it should not be about the economy stupid, it should be about democracy stupid. these were supposed to be trump space, but are nothing but a bunch of bigots and racists who want to make the party white and supremacists. a tweet, if i had done as poorly as trey gowdy did yesterday, i would immediately resigned.

ourcan also post on facebook page. boise, idaho, richard. you're next. caller: yes. concerning brexit, i just have this gut feeling that if they were to look closely at the campaign for brexit, they may see some of the same russian electionnt as the u.s. , somewhat distorted news, fake news, whatever you want to call it. but really quick, concerning this representative from texas -- i was watching on your c-span, 11:00 at night, no one else in the building, basically. he had free reign to say whatever he wanted. that is exactly what he tried to do yesterday. he just made the biggest fool of himself.

thank you. host: from metairie, louisiana, jack. independent line. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: i would just like the american people to watch the display that took place with this fbi agent whose words obviously were not held to mean anything, there was no bias, is what they say. i am wondering what is going to happen when they question the supreme court nominee, if you would have said something like that. if the same people who tried to make light of what this fbi agent said, what they are going to do with the supreme court nominee. i just want to make that comparison and let the american people pay attention. host: two stories today about brett kavanaugh. angle in search for an court fights. democrats trying to defeat kavanaugh or soul-searching for a potent line of attack thursday. some are focused on for training him as a threat to help take away health care and abortion rights, and others have emphasized concerns about his views on presidential power and

how he might apply them to the president. have shown it no explicit sign of winning over the two republican senators seen as most likely to break ranks and oppose kavanaugh -- susan collins of maine and lisa murkowski of alaska, centrist -- alaska. centrist democrats trying to survive reelection in states won, meanwhile, have said little about kavanaugh, seeking to avoid the -- from supporters liberals bentwon from on defeating kavanaugh's nomination. from law professor amy chew up, kavanaugh is a mentor to winner. i got to know this side of kavanaugh after serving on our clerkship committee for 10 years. daughter, my

except in the pellet courtship from kavanaugh, set to begin next month. judge kavanaugh cannot be more different. his top consideration when , and costexcellence only clerks across the ideological spectrum who will question and to disagree with him. he wants to hear other perspectives before deciding a case. above all, he believes in the law and once you figure out, without prejudging, what it requires. you can read more of that in the wall street journal. as we talk this morning, a bilateral meeting taking place in the united kingdom at a place known as checkers, an in theency you can apply united states at camp david for prime minister theresa may, a back-and-forth between president trump and the british prime minister over many issues, this in light of the interview he did with the sun this morning. joining us to give us more perspective this morning, william booth of the washington post, he is the london bureau

chief. good morning. guest: good morning. host: first of all could you in cap and cast light -- salai the sun interview and whether it elicited reaction from the prime minister or her staff? guest: yes, the sun interview for 10 downing street. we were told by white house officials that they were alerted to its presence. they thought it was going to run this morning, and they thought it would be a more general interview and not as negative as the version that appeared last night at about 11:00 p.m.. the reaction against -- the reaction to the sun interview was pretty wild in the u.k.. ministers and theresa may's own party, the conservatives, the tories, several of them spoke out against it, calling it rude and no way for a guest to behave . a blindside, an ambush. but there were some support from

trump's remarks from some of the more hardline, program exit -- pro brexit brexit years. they said trump had the right to say what he said, and it is better to know now than later laterhe that the president is now dubious about making a fantastic trade deal with the u.k. after britain breaks out of the european union next year. with that article overshadowing this bilateral meeting between the president and the british prime minister, what were the nature of discussions supposed to be? how could the interview shape those discussions? guest: well, what theresa may really wanted, her get from this eons just surviving a trump visit, was she wanted to convince the president that britain was going to be ready for business and it really wanted a trade deal with the united states.

it is too soon for that trade deal to be hammered out. they cannot really get into talks after britain leaves the eu. what she wanted kind of public that hees from trump was behind both her and her government, and the idea that yes, when you are away from the european union, when the divorce signed, our romance can begin, right? she needs that desperately because her proposals are being met with a lot of resistance and a lot of criticism. both by her own party and others. trying to survive as prime minister, that is not an exaggeration, and she really needed trump to signal that yes, y ball. pla he did not need to say anything specific, but we will talk, yeah, we are looking forward to

it. but she did not get that in the sun interview. we saw a much more formal interview, formal activities with the first lady and the british prime minister, who scoped out the rest of his trip, including the meeting with the queen. the president is traveling by helicopter. he landed at checkers, which is the prime minister's camp david, countryside estate. so they are having an hour of chat there and a lunch, and they will come out shortly for a joint press conference. that will probably be the most newsy event of the day here. then from checkers, trump and the first lady will fly via helicopter again to windsor castle, not too far a distance from checkers. and they will have an hour with queen elizabeth ii and a nice cup of tea and probably, if they behave themselves, maybe a scone or biscuits. host: when it comes to this

trip, talk about the pros that we have seen, like the blimp in the figure of trump seen out in the papers. how close will be's protesters ever get to the president or the team with him? miles away. the protests that began this morning with the launch of this famous, infamous little blimp was at parliament square, right in front of the palace of westminster -- with mr. palace, westminster abbey -- westminster palace, westminster alley. president trump was nowhere near there, he was out in checkers. the main protest will kick off at 1:00 p.m. today. there were people outside of winfield palace, the official residence of the u.s. ambassador to the u.k.. people were banging on pots and pans and blowing horns. that was not a massive presence, probablysure trump

slept well through the night. but he was greeted also with protests at the palace he visited last night, where he had the gala dinner with theresa may. there were people lining the roads. he might have gotten a look at them. host: william booth, the london bureau chief for the washington post, talking about the president's visit in the united kingdom with the prime minister and others. thank you for your time. guest: anytime, happy to do it. host: back to your call. gabriel, democrat line. thank you for holding on. caller: good morning, pedro. so i was thinking that donald trump is at this ridiculous stage right now of just trying to figure out what is the best way to posture himself, especially with the whole u.k. situation and the european union , but i do want to say kind of openly that there is a significant amount of weakening that is happening to our allies,

within our relationships. see how really important it is we stay united with the eu, with nato. there are some major consequences. in terms of the main conflict you had this morning with peter strzok, i would say that again, when you look at someone like trey gowdy, who, just to be fair, trey gowdy has had a history of trying to get something, he and elijah cummings go back and forth left and right. right nowthat we need is stability, and people need to step back and take a look at both sides of the argument. int: let's hear from victor silver spring, maryland, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i listened to the hearings isterday on the radio, and want to make an observation and i have a question.

i am blind and i go by voices. strzok this peter , he comes off to me as a sexual , andlectual, a know it all it really rubbed me the wrong way. i want to know, from your sighted viewers, what was going on visually? making faces? were the democrats making faces and rolling their eyes? because what i heard yesterday really tipped me off that this strzok guy is an absolute disgrace. thank you. host: mineral bluff, georgia, independent line. david, hello. caller: hello, pedro. how are you this morning? host: fine, thank you. caller: i have a little poser for the republicans he lets out there. that -- of you believe

was not biased against al capone ? and yet, for his entire investigation, they never got him on anything that they could have gotten him on as they tried to fabricate adjutants -- and against -- evidence. they got him on tax evasion, and because they had integrity. andink strzok has integrity he is being intact. make a also like to comment on the board. i think what trump and sessions did on their at the border is criminal. they should be charged. host: david in georgia. off the new york times this morning, a look from fema. a report about how they responded to events in puerto rico. the report says fema had thousands fewer workers than it needed. many were not qualified to handle such major catastrophes, fema had to bury many workers from the agencies to help manage the immense demand for essentials, hotel rooms, and

drinking water in the aftermath of the storms. although fema distributed 130 million meals, 35 million of them in puerto rico, the report says the agency's took longer than expected to secure supplies and lost track of much of the aided delivered and who needed it. the report was expected to be made public on monday, but the agency released it shortly after the new york times reported on a draft attained in advance. kristen nielsen, the homeland security secretary, said a statement -- in a statement of the report "provides a transformative roadmap for how we respond to future caps on it -- catastrophic incidents." guy, theo the blind guy is a man child. you should have seen the looks on his face. it went from everything from -di-da-di-da, love

blah,ove -- blah, blah, and it made the democrats look like idiots. goodbye. host: our next caller, good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to comments that president trump is the world's number one racist, and are racist, soe they have to be fed that degree of hatred every day, every hour. and it is not going to work. the civil war is over, the confederacy lost. the confederate flag is a losing going, ase are not african-americans we are not going back to slavery or some kind of concentration camp. so let's act right, let's get along. host: about five minutes left in

this segment before we go to our first guest. the houses in at 9:00, so we will end our program at that time. for the next five minutes, you can participate. there is a story at the new york times also taking a look at the congressional race, new york 14, from last month am featuring joe crowley, who lost against alexandria our cost you -- oak o-cortez.tez -- ocasi the question, raised in an about third-party politics in new york, took a life of its own thursday morning -cortez taking to twitter to complain about mr. crowley, with a longtime congressman responding. it did not take long for mr. crowley to respond. in the first of three twitter alexandria, the

needis over and democrats to come together. we have scheduled phone calls and your team has not followed through. mr. crowley wrote in a second twitter post that "there are lots of questions about the ws p that he was happy to have their support, but you can only be moved from the ballot if you won, move out of three,k, two, die, or except another position in a place i don't live. independent line, good morning. caller: hello, pedro. i love your show and i love listening to the viewers. they are very scholar-ish. statesman and i got kicked off the ballot running for pittsburgh mayor. my thing is, i am not cool with the u.k.. i don't trust london, i do not trust the u.k., i believe they

knew those planes were coming on december 7, 19 41, that they had something to do with the trustnia, and i do not them. too many people have died over there. i do not trust london for one bit. host: michigan, independent line, bob. caller: yes. it seems like the democrats are a little confused. they keep beating their chests for the past year and a half, saying hillary clinton won the won by 3 million votes. it seems like the russians did a poor job in whatever they do. the russians had nothing to do with our electoral college. there seems to be some confusion, right? jim, westfield, massachusetts, republican line, nest on -- next on the open phones. good morning. caller: good morning, pedro. i have been watching c-span for quite a while and i would just like to comment -- a lot of these people that are calling in

our calling the republicans racist. i am very much getting tired of the same old thing. racist, racist, racist. if everyone in the republican i mean, youacist, know, it is just ridiculous. i will be the racist you want me to be if that is the case. you keep calling me a racist over and over and over again. i will start to form opinions and be that person that they want me to be. that is all i have to say. host: philadelphia, pennsylvania, republican run. rubin. good morning. morning, pedro. could you show the scenes from yesterday on capitol hill when they were grilling strzok and louis gunn moore was interviewing him and accuses him, how could he sit there and look his wife in the face knowing that he slept with someone else? we have a president who is on his third wife and some of them

have been mistresses, and now he is under indictment because he is alleged to have slept with another woman. do somethingso about our candidates? the -- are you still there? host: yes, finish up, only because we are running out of time. the candidate for the supreme court nominee and how he said he would not indict a sitting president. we know this man needs to be indicted. is rubin in philadelphia. i cannot show those things now, but if you go to our website at c-span.org, you can do one of two things when it comes to those topics. that whole hearing with peter strzok yesterday is available online. you can watch it for yourself and see all the things that were said. plus, brett kavanaugh, all the information we have on hymns -- -- him -- previous hearings, confirmations, type the name and you will getx and everything we have on him. that is all available to you on

c-span.org. carlos in florida, republican line. caller: i have a quick thing. on the senator, the grilling the me what happened to too group? how does his wife feel? and another thing, the republicans with abraham lincoln were the ones who liberated the slaves. the republicans came down and kicked the democrats but in the south, so i do not know -- host: ok, ok. one more call. jack in michigan, independent line. caller: hi. i just have to not a comments. -- two to dante comments. i think the fbi agent should not have commented, and just embarrassed his family and his wife. and number two, the fbi is not as clean as everyone things. i have seen criminal activity

with the local police year, reported it to the fbi, and they didr had anything -- never anything about it. i had taper according to prove they never did anything about it. host: if you are interested in hearing about the peter struck hearing, stay tuned and do not change. a member of the house oversight and government committee, one of the committees that interviewed to strzok yesterday, is here give his take on the hearing and what resulted out of that. later on, a discuss about childhood -- we discussed childhood separations at the border. those coming up on washington journal. ♪ >> c-span buses traveling across

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been yielding gains in this area, but people are still very worried and as the mother of , an issue for our family and one of the reasons i chose to run for office. us july 21to join and 22nd, when we feature our visit to alaska. onch "alaska weekend" c-span, c-span.org, or listen on the free c-span radio app. washington journal continues. our next guest is a member of the judiciary committee for the house and also the republican conference vice chair. he is representative doug collins from georgia. good morning. from the takeaway, what did you walk away with from that hearing with peter strzok yesterday? aest: we walked away with better understanding of the concerns we have had. there is always concern of bias and text messages.

frankie, they should raise concern both on republicans and democratic sides. ithink some of the issues looked at yesterday and some of my line of questioning and others are what are some of the policies that were in place that maybe were not being followed in -- effector general's report inspector general's report? we saw information about people that should and should not have access, and that was the takeaway. for me, we move along in the process and mr. strzok had the opportunity to give his side -- he did -- there was no question for both sides. the biggest take away was that it was transparent. people said let's get this out in the open, and that is what we saw yesterday. host: would you say that his bias affected his performance? i think his answers left a lot to be desired. he did his best to say that because i said one thing does not mean i sent another, look at my actions, and then you look at the actions and maybe some of the delays. it is very hard and for most people sitting out there -- maybe not watching this today -- might think ok, if i hold such

strong views -- and even if he is, he claimed everything was just hyperbole is an interesting conversation -- is how to that not at least affect how you approach something or want to look at something? i think the timing of some of those raises further questions as well. questionsou think the by mr. gowdy and mr. goodlatte affected the hearings in such a way as the tone and nature it took? guest: i think they were direct. they were trying to move through some answers here. the interesting thing was that chairman goodlatte started on yesterday. there was a fact that the basis for not answering the questions was not a legal objection, i have just been told by the fbi that i do not need to answer this for whatever reason. i think that is something that will be asked hard as time goes on. it was not coming from his own attorney, it was coming from the fbi, saying we prefer you not answer this. our guest will be here

until 8:00. you can ask him or off hearing and what he learned from it. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can post on twitter as well. this is from hank johnson yesterday, and his exchanges with mr. strzok. i will a listen for a bit and get your perspective. [video clip] you were successful in arresting and prosecuting numerous individuals for espionage and other crimes against the united states of america, isn't that correct? >> it is part of a large of number combatant, -- of a large number of competent, talented folks, yes. and you gained a lot of knowledge about russian spying activities, their methods and sources as they operate in the united states and in other allied nations, isn't that correct? >> it is certainly true within the united states and to a lesser extent overseas. >> and you have used your skills

to keep america safe? >> i have, sir. it is my proud duty to have done so. more to your lot career than a few emails, isn't that correct? and a few text messages? >> that's correct. >> so to boil it down to that is a disservice to you. the republicans here being so desperate to find a way to discredit the mueller investigation by discrediting you as a person, i think rather than they doing that, we should be honoring you for the work you have done over the last 22 years to keep this nation safe, and this hearing is a reckless abuse and misuse of congressional authority. i am looking forward to republicans finishing the hell damn peter strzok investigation. i will yield back.

guest: i think he did a good job .efending mr. strzok's resume this has not been a gross use of incompetence, that is fine. hank said -- he talked about some good things. i do not think there is anybody that would recognize the fact that you do not rise the level he did in the fbi without having a good career. the question is not his criminal tonality. question is what happened in this particular case with the inspector general in dealing with two very high profile investigations, and that is the simple question. collins,alk about hank he has had a great career up to this point, that does not mean questions cannot be asked as to what or was not going on an investigation. i think trying to divert the topic to that is also not looking at the issue with elf. you can disagree with the issue and disagree that there is nothing going on, but to say that his stellar career and why that's myng this --

opinion. host: our first call, alabama, republican line. you are on with the representative. caller: represented of collins, when you were on yesterday -- you might have been the gentleman reading out the regulations and stuff with the fbi -- hello? guest: i am here, john, good morning. caller: it might have been used our, or one of the other guys -- you, sir, or one of the other guys talking about the regulation that holding the standard with the fbi about blackmail. do you think it is possible that hillary clinton had found out about this man's affair with that woman and threatened him and everything to make it look like she didn't do anything when it was obvious this woman broke every kind of law that has ever been leveled in this country? host: ok john, thanks.

guest: look, i think there are a lot of things -- i am glad hillary clinton is not president, for obvious reasons. i think sometimes we need to give more credit to things that are not there. i think this is a man who had his own personal beliefs and his own issues going on in his life at the time, and they were expressed in tweet and -- not tweets, but text messages that gave at the time, when they were given, and a time and the investigation he was involved in, gave the appearance, as he even said yesterday, what he said he did was not biased, but it had the appearance of bias. the interesting thing is most of us believe when you look at it from that perspective, somebody had to believe in a higher level there was some bias there. with appearance or not, that is something that needs to be looked at. i think that is where the investigation is going. we will continue to see where it goes. the report essentially said there was no political bias.

i think there is some issue there, because how to the investigation, out? i think there are bigger questions to be asked here not only with the investigation, but like the inspector general said, there are several ways to go. there might have been another route to choose. i think those are legitimate questions to ask in an oversight format. what is amazing is this is , and one of the things we forget so many times appear -- they get politicized like yesterday -- there are strong feelings across the country, especially on the presidency and what we are seeing. but one thing i would like to emphasize, no matter what committee, this is the role of congress, to investigate and --k at apartments departments make sure oversight is being done. so this is part of what we do. host: virginia, independent line. kevin, you are next. caller: good morning, mr. collins. how are you this morning? guest: good, kevin, how are you?

caller: good. i am a combat veterans and have multiple deployments and i'm very proud of my country, i am proud of its institutions and i am proud of this government, but yesterday i was totally embarrassed by the lack of civility and the quorum -- and decorum shown by the committee, the chairman and mr. gowdy. i thought he was out of line, and i did not hear any republican, as much as i know the republicans talk about order and discipline and those types issues, issues of character, no one called him out on that. i thought that was wrong. the issue also -- i heard him, the agent talk about appearance versus actual bias. being in the military, we do understand that sometimes

something is not the case, but the appearance thereof makes it so the perception is what it really is. the perception becomes reality. host: we will have to leave it there, i apologize. thanks. guest: kevin, i was in iraq as well. thank you for your service. i think things that were set yesterday and what you mentioned were frankly over the top. i was not in the room when those were set, but i think unfortunately, hearings like this get heated. things that are said -- i agree with you, stability is something we all need to work on and we need to go to the facts and continue that. that does not mean that heated discussion does not happen, and sometimes -- it probably should not have happened. i appreciate your service. thank you for calling. host: so we goldman's comments? guest: they were too harsh. i is entitled to his opinion, do not apologize for anybody but myself, but that is his comment. he needs to stand by those comments. tonya, republican

line. you are on, go ahead. i just had a short question for you. i just want to know why nobody asked him about hillary and the russian collusion or however you want to say it, conspiring with each other when they are investigating donald trump for the same thing. guest: i think the issue yesterday was more of the involvement in the issue that has been brought out as far as the perceived bias or, as the last caller, perception is reality when that comes out. i think the main focus was the texts, the timing of those texts, and his involvement not only in the hillary but the russian investigation and the start of that as it went forward. that was the focus of that. what degree will lisa page be interviewed and questioned? guest: she is supposed to show up today, and she did what she wanted to do, get past mr. strzok's hearing to hear what is going on.

we see if she shows up today. host: will the nature of the interview be open or not? guest: the deposition is closed. host: and what is the purpose of that deposition? to go over the issues that have been raised from the text messages from other issues that were involved in their roles in this investigation. host: what is the likelihood that once that is completed, open testimony will take place? guest: the chairman is committed to trying to do these, so we are going to try and do this today. democrat line, indiana, this is steve. good morning. caller: good morning. i think it is all bunch -- a bunch of showcase that you are doing, and it is a waste of time, a waste of money, and besides that, the republican supporting a dictator in office, and you people are

not doing a thing about it because you think that he is so great. he is over there in russia right now, and he is going to have a and nobody isutin going to be able to hear what is going on and stuff. you are all a bunch of dam traders. guest: -- damn traitors. guest: well, he has a right to an opinion, even if he is wrong. host: what have your opinions in coming from nato in particular, and the united kingdom? guest: this is a lot of the president's style. he has been upfront and very blunt in what his discussions are. i think the interesting thing in this is the world seems to still be amazed that a president who is speaking as bluntly as he is, he has been president for 18 months. this is not a change. he says what he believes and he continues to push forward. i truly believe he wants to put

our interests first, that might not sit well on diplomatic things, probably not, but i think he is putting forward what he wants to see done and the world is talking about it. doug from utah, republican line. hello. caller: hello? host: hello, you are on. go on, please. caller: i was calling in yesterday to determine if he lied and if he was biased thenst the president, and ,emocrats -- i heard that right there was a suggestion somebody probably would have leaked? i did not think leaking was one of the main things that -- they do, but civility went out winwindow when hillary -- she won and democrats came the party in that respect. i believe that is what has happened. host: so what would you like our guest to address?

ok, we will leave it there. mr. collins? guest: this is a perception that we continue on, and it is working on the issues of oversight and moving forward. again, the hearing itself is polarizing because as i said to a reporter, this hearing is actually bringing out, why are the democrats basically taking knocks -- there are investments for both sides. the republicans need to say we are looking into it, which we are. what is happening, what should not be happening, but for democrats also to say this is a believe time -- they these investigations, many of them have said, to the impeachment of the president. they have a strategic interest in not wanting to see if there was a problem. they want to see it play out because they believe it is coming into a different regimen. this is, again, the unfortunate part of an investigation played out in a very politicized

environment. answers need to be found and they need to go where those answers lead. hear callers talk about civility, you go back years, but there are also a lot of things that go on on the hill that were not bipartisan and we get things done. those things get hidden in the bigger hearings and spectacles, if you will. host: louisiana, independent line, ella, good morning. caller: good morning, gentlemen. thank you for taking my call. yes, i had two questions for the gentle man. -- gentleman. i wish he would answer this question and answer this directly. do you all or do you will not know from the very beginning, before the hearing, whether or not an agent of the government, especially of the fbi, would be able to answer certain questions? the second thing i want to know, which is more important?

, or thetleman's bias russian meddling in our election in 2016? please, as i stated from the front, please just answer the question. guest: no problem, i will answer the question. do we know what he will answer or not answer? no. that is obvious from yesterday. there were questions on which no legal objection was made to the question that was not objectionable under oath, but he said he would not answer because the fbi told him to. there is your direct answer. we do not know all the time when an agent, or in this case, when mr. strzok came forward. and yes, we are concerned about russian meddling. it has not only been happening in this past election, but previous elections, and all over the world. if you travel all over the world, you are seeing a rise in russian influence and especially former in the -- in the former ittern countries and syria,

is a concern. you also have to take into account that with the investigations here, your perception and others might be there are problems, there was something to meddle in the election. some of us might look at this from the simple perspective that maybe one candidate won because the other did not do a good job running the election. -- is theironcern concern about influence? yes. that you cannot separate that because you have a different view. host: how do you believe the mueller investigation should go forward? needs to goieve it forward, and i really believe with one of the statements of chairman gary yesterday, -- mr. gowdy yesterday, we need to end it and bring it to a close. host: pat, republican line, michigan. hello. caller: hi, two questions. over the last several days, there have been many colors to c-span who keep saying that mr. trump is under indictment, being the reason he cannot a port --

appoint a supreme court judge. is he under indictment or not? guest: no. caller: my second question, who put the pictures up on the wall of the chamber with the word guilty written under them in yesterday's testimony? thank you. the first question, no, there is not an indictment i am aware of for the president of the united days, and i believe the pictures you are referring cummings,om elijah the ranking member of the house oversight committee. he used those as his props, if you would, for his speaking as he was talking about the russia investigation and the guilty verdict or please that have -- pleas that have been listed by those relying or tax fraud -- those for lying or tax fraud. , democrat line. good morning. caller: hi, is everybody supposed to have a -- with

republicans, or can anybody be a prosecutor? i was biased and investigating about you and i find something, i find it. what is the deal? that is the question. guest: the question is understanding that all of us come into our jobs in life no matter what we do with our histories and preconceived notions. the question is are the biases expressed? they came out in text messages on a government phone that could give indication that you may or may not have pursued something or have a predetermined opinion about who you may want, about how the outcome may be long before the outcome should have been determined. that is the determination here. all of us come into our daily lives with our thoughts for the day. the question is do those thoughts for the day affect how they do our job? in this case, in a very high profile job and case, does that reflection that --claim is my verbally hyperbole between the text and companions

actually hyperbole, or is it something that is affecting the look into the best edition -- the look into the investigation? that is what has been happening. host: a statement from nancy pelosi about jim jordan, the that she should have known -- is entitled pelosi to that. jim says he hasn't, jim is truthful and what he is trying to say now. if it proves not, the on, hegation is going needs to participate in that. let that go on as well. host: have you talked to him personally about this? guest: not personally, i have just seen him in passing. host: urgent as next, pennsylvania, independent line. -- virginia is next, pennsylvania, independent line. caller: thank you.

are presented of collins yesterday, -- representative collins, yesterday, i cannot got.ve how out of order it the democrats would not give anybody a chance. it is almost as if they had a chance to keep interrupting. i think itnd strzok, is definitely biased, and i do not think they are the only once. i think it is other people who have been let go already from the fbi and doj. they are also just as biased and out to get the president. and with those guilty signs going up, there is no collusion. fromllusion, period, anybody. with manafort, that goes back to 1986 -- 1996. flyar as general plan, -- nn, they did not even really believe he lied to them. , and i read the

emails. i read all of hillary females. but one more thing -- the inspector general, when he said the sap information, that that information got out, all of her foreignmails to a country, and it wasn't russia, and they made it known that it wasn't russia. host: ok, thank you. guest: going into the overall thing, look, the democrats wanted to take the focus on the possibility that there was an issues here, and one thing going back to the inspector general report, there were others that were mentioned in that and have in let go. -- have been let go. i grew up in a household with a state trooper for a father. law enforcement is in my background since i was born. the concern here is not what we have seen in the field agents all over the world to do this every day in the fbi. i have are heard from the many

field agents who are embarrassed about what is going on, whether it is with former director comey, this issue strzok wit -- this issue with strzok, and what we need to do it the end of the day is make sure at all levels in the department of justice, when the democrats and republicans do not claim a party or affiliation. they say justice should be fair and swift, and making sure there that wouldsses deflect that. that is really what this should be about, and yesterday was a reflection of some saying this investigation was taking the focus off and trying to focus on the positive aspects of their narrative, as a post -- as opposed to the questions that are still out there. host: [inaudible] time after time, i look at the very same issues that were listed, the undisputed will fact they were classified

-- undispute -- undisputable fact they were on a government computer, putting things on phones, forgetting things were there. the question is why was she treated differently? to normal person out there who does not have a high profile last name or high-profile attorneys are seemingly able to be treated differently as opposed to everyday citizens, especially some in our military who have been prosecuted for less of an offense, although under the same standard. the concern, apart from elections and everything else, you have to handle that information in a state who is a very intelligent woman, capable women, yet chose basically a route that she did for convenience. the reason -- the question is

why were they treated differently as opposed to others have been prosecuted for very similar or exact same case? host: so what justice would you like to see needed out -- meted out? guest: the question, again, was what made it, at a certain point, to say the black line -- the standard was it was there. it was not supposed to be there. how do you then say we did not know -- that is the issue where most americans say -- i cannot tie you how many emails and tax i have received when lisa page refused to show up for a subpoena. these are friends, i know some are republicans and some are democrats -- if i do not show up for a subpoena, they arrest me. how can you choose not to show up? that is what is outside of this beltway. host: one more call.

this is from tony in texas. republican line. caller: thanks a lot for taking my call. i love c-span. finally got it in hd. mr. collins, i am having trouble understanding. the hillary clinton investigation, guest -- i guess comey jumped the gun and closed it early and they had to reopen it. at the same time, with this election investigation, everybody on my side, the republican side, is saying, hey, we've seen enough. why do we have to get in such a hurry here? that a few minutes ago. i believe what they have seen so far and what they have said is they are moving forward and finishing up the direction it has been going so far. to the american people, this is something where the answers need to be had here at the end of the day, it will point to the president not being in collusion

, collusion not being the issue. the investigation does not need to linger into chasing rabbits to see if we can be pressured into finding something else out. host: representative doug collins, representative of georgia, thank you. another round of open phones until 8:30. the house coming in at 9:00. if you want to participate, it is (202) 748-8000 for democrats. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. we will take those when we come back. ♪ sunday night on "after carpenteranda discusses her book "gas lighting america," why we love it when trump lies to us. by s.e. cupp.ewed

>> he creates suspense. i have investigators going to hawaii. there is a report coming soon. he suggested there was a video tape coming. that generates more immediate interest. let's see what he has to to say. spoiler -- it never comes out. i'm -- >> and then he selects a detractor to attack. >> at this point, people come out say we think donald trump is lying. well, i am not lying, i am just looking in to it did anybody who pops up -- loser, crazy, hack. tohe can find a target scapegoat and have an us versus them fight, that is what creates the dynamic. >> finally, he declares victory. >> like the present conference at -- the press conference at the trump hotel in d.c. he essentially said barack obama

is a citizen, i cleared it up, but hillary clinton started it. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2's book tv. >> c-span. where history unfolds daily. was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. and today, we continue to bring unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. " continues.journal host: on this open phones, you can participate and make comments on our twitter feed, @cspanwj. and on our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan.

withresident meeting british prime minister theresa may overseas today, made comments before that started. this in light of the maybe made with the "sun." [video clip] to meet withard nato. are two of the five that told make it up, but others are coming along rapidly. we had -- half.r and a it was really something. today, we are [indiscernible]

some incredible things conducted with the united states. the relationship is very strong. we have a nearly good -- a really good relationship. now, we will be talking about some other things taking place. today,hat was from courtesy of british television. a story in the "wall street journal" taking a look at the effect of the corporate tax cuts, writing government receipts fell 20% in june compared -- 7% in june compared to 2017. payroll taxes were down 5% in 2017. even though revenue fell, the budget deficit narrows. $90.23mpared with billion in 2017, because a 9% drop in government outlays.

this spending declined larger. did -- this story adds that more broadly the federal deficit is swelling. $6.71dget gap totaled billion in -- $607.1 the first nine months of the 2018 fiscal year. caller: i wanted to say to the republican who was on a few minutes ago, first of all, that fbi agent was taken off the case early on in the investigation because of that email. reasone is no reasonable for having this investigation of the investigation. second of all, that fbi agent could have ruined the president -- trump's chances to be

president by leaking. and he is the one who did not leak. underw trump was investigation, possibly for colluding with the russians. and he did not leak anything. nothing. he could have stopped trump's possibility right there, the way comey did with his blunder, because he felt guilty, i guess, of saying hillary was under investigation. which was for nothing. host: let's go to eastern pennsylvania, independent line. dave, fellow. -- hellow. caller: -- hello. caller: thanks for c-span. the caller was correct you this whole situation -- i feel so disgusted by it. first of all, with sessions. why are you going after

rosenstein? second of all, there were republicans with tweets or whatever that had disgusting commentary about the president, but they are not under any type of spotlight. i do not understand this. i hope ken finishes up -- i hope mueller can finish this up soon. host: if you go to the business section of the "new york times" -- how much is the trade war costing you? just to show you the graph, on average, it is costing the average person about $60. if they break it down for spending, that includes tariffs on washing machines, steel, and aluminum, and mostly chinese imports. on average, $60 for the average american as far as the trade war is concerned. ken, texas, republican line. caller: thank you so much for c-span. i am very glad you're there.

i think it has finally come out -- in east texas, we have a saying, if it walks like a duck, fewks like a duck, does a other things like a duck, it is a duck. we are seeing things unfolding of an attempted coup to take over our governmental organization from within the beltway in washington, d.c. as this unfolds, if anyone with any sense looks at this, this was a truly submissive way. there was russian influence. if you look at the connections between the democrats and hillary and so forth, the funds that transpired. i am glad this opened up. nobody was supposed to know about this. everybody was convinced that hillary was going to win, and they just wanted to move it down the road, and benefit their jobs, their appointments. that is why bill was meeting with loretta lynch to probably

convince her to let things slide where she could probably keep her job and stay there in a quid pro quo position. served as thece national security adviser and the former united states ambassador to the united nations for president obama. president'sut the upcoming summit with putin. trump must not capitulate to putin. in a normal situation, the president would demand russia withdraw from the ukraine. he is backing their murderers -- seesgime in syria the backing of the murderous assad regime in syria. she also writes the president, of being under

the hold of putin, should never be allowed to meet solo with the more savvy mr. putin. the one-on-one format will enable russia to distal publicly than meeting's substance and mr. trump to cede whatever he wants to mr. putin. from charles in dallas, texas, democrat line. caller: hello. thank you for c-span. i wish all of america would slow down, take a breather, and ask the question to republicans -- two years from now or six years from now, trump will be gone, one way or another, by virtue of the way our government is set up. askuld as republicans -- republicans, what about after trump? what kind of republican party are you going to have? are you going to go back to

george w. bush and republicans like that? or will you have more "trumpier trump" republicans, which flip off the rest of the world? what kind of republican party are you going to have after trump? that is the question democrats need to ask republicans. forever. going to last let's take our america by advancing the conversation pass this era of trump. host: let's go to georgia, independent line. for themy comment was guy that was on there. georgia has had such corrupt cops. all my life, georgia has had corrupt cops. i have only had republican congressmen in georgia. i just wanted to know what he wanted to do. he did not do anything about it,

because i still see them running everywhere. the rollcall website, the headline. writing that commerce secretary wilbur ross said thursday he would sell equity holdings. "my ethics agreement allowed me to maintain some equity holdings to maintain the public trust." the decision came in conjunction with a letter to ross from the office of government ethics that criticized his handling of personal finances, including his failure to divest some assets and a timely manner -- in a timely manner.

if you want to read more of that, it is at the rollcall website this morning. line,on our democrat michigan. hello. caller: i just wanted to the past election -- i am not sure why the republicans are not concerned that the past election was sabotaged by the russian government, very sophisticated lady -- sop histicatedly. they use the internet, used bots, used facebook and twitter, used fake accounts, promoted false news stories, spent money on these ads. emailacked into private accounts. john podesta, colin powell.

they are hacking into emails. they are using bots and trolls. apparently, they are still doing this. and the republicans are like we do not care, we do not care that our election was hacked. we do not care the russians have a specific clan to defeat clinton. -- specific plan to defeat clinton. i find this last election somewhat illegitimate. trump lost the popular vote yet electoral votes to win the electoral college. is the "washington times" talking about the country that might next receive sanctions from the united states. nicaragua in question. writing that sanctions and inport of opposition groups the wake of the --

demonstrations that began in april at student led rallies have morphed into a national rebellion against mr. ortega, inistad the anti-u.s. sand insurgency in the 1980's and has been president since 2007. in assigned sign the trump administration is increasingly focused on the crisis, the treasury department last week and posting since under the global magnitsky act on three of mr. ortega's closest associates, including the head of the national police, for alleged corruption and human rights violations relations. end" saidl not be the ambassador michael kozak. our independent line, hi. caller: how are you doing this morning? ask the people

try not to be democrat or republican. the like they are asking by criticizing the guy cheating on his wife, calling him a disgrace. ok, the president did the same thing, but he is not a disgrace like what they are trying to do is if you are a republican, you can do whatever and you are ok with it. but if you are not a republican, and you do these same things, they want to put you in jail, discredit you for what you said or did. but if the republican does the exact same things -- and the president has done these things, but he is all right. but you are a disgrace. i can understand the difference. somebody needs to call in and canain why this one person do something and, being a

republican, they are all right and did nothing wrong and are not lying or anything. host: ok give the lead story of a vocal usa today" looks at the funding of election ads, saying --

greensboro, north carolina, republican line. doug, good morning. caller: good morning. appreciate c-span. good to have means to be able to follow events going on in d.c. , as wanted to comment on far as conjugations that the united states makes to nato, the united states, as a whole, every time there is an event going on around the world, we always seem to come flying in with the red cross, with people dropping in water, food. become to everybody's aid across this world. yet we have other countries burning our flag and stepping on it, spitting on it, burning our presidents in effigy. thewe contribute more to

other countries than a lot of other nato countries combined. i don't understand why democrats get upset with the president saying something about why we are paying so much and everyone else is paying less? he is looking out for the united dates. we need to look out for america first. the reason we are a superpower, the reason everyone used to respect us, like they should have, is because we come in and help everyone else. we do not dictate. we help. yet everyone seems to be complaining, from the democratic side, that we are setting a , that it is a bad thing he is drawing a line in the sand. host: let's go to trenton, new jersey, democrat line. anthony. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to make a, -- there was a fellow called earlier and said democrats are always saying republicans are all racist. i do not believe that. there are many republicans who have disputed what trump has

done. the real racists are the people who support trump. he supported white supremacy. he supported nazism. he has supported kidnapping. he is using people's hatred for mexicans to control them. they have so much hatred. people from mexico have been coming over the border for hundreds of years. the real threat is a dictator forming coalitions with other dictators who have nuclear weapons. host: that is anthony from new jersey. cnn and others reporting about the justice department appealing on an approval of at&t and time warner. that on thursday the justice department filed notice of the approval of that --

there is more available on the cnn website. fort worth, texas, republican line. james, hello. caller: yesterday, when peter strzok was in front of congress, i do not believe a word he said.

every word he says was a lie. not getemocrats can over the election and if all they can do is sit in a committee and interrupt anybody talking. if they want to do something about immigration, why don't they get off of their cans and pass a law. that's what they're put there for, aren't they? host: again, if you want to see that hearing with peter strzok yesterday, you can see that for yourself, watch it for yourself, when you go to c-span.org. that is available to you there. you have probably seen paper and other media accounts of that hearing. but that is available from start to finish at c-span.org. hill" writing -- the headline -- gop moderates sends a smooth commission had for kavanaugh. saying --

again, that story at the website of the "hill." from iowa, independent line, we hear next from pat. caller: hi. i watched the hearings, because -- i wasious to hear disheartened to discover the fbi was not independent. i thought they were.

there were two things on the national news on my television. one was this hearing. the other was the reopening of the emmett till death. me of j edgar hoover, who went after martin luther king. i thought that was no longer possible. and i have no confidence in the fbi anymore. that is all. that was from iowa, independent line. again, the announcement of the reopening of the emmett till case by the fbi. democrats line, ruth, jackson, mississippi. caller: hello. it's nice to hear you guys this morning. our president is another country, and he is doing what he is always done. throwing his strong arm out and

telling the world what he wants to do. he is being a bully as he always has. we are going to be the one to suffer for it. do not see that, because they like the bullying. we always said we did not want a dictator, but we got a dictator. that is what they really want. realize he is dictating their lives, and he is going to ruin their lives and our lives. all they have to do is wait and see. host: john in san antonio, republican line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to touch on the cyber digital task force that this administration has created. your democrat callers all seem to think this of is not doing anything to fight the russian interference. i know the media never really touched on it. it is one of those things i think your caller should look into. host: if they were to look into it, what do you think they will find? caller: they will find that jeff

sessions authority created something to combat the interference online and on social media sites. it is not like they are just sitting back and saying "okie dokie, russians, let's have at it." host: by the way, if you are interested in digital items when it comes to policy, we have a program called "the communicators" that airs over the weekend. if you go to c-span.org, you can learn more about our program. it is known as "the communicators." we have been looking at several senators, what they face when they consider the president's nominee to the supreme court, brett kavanaugh. joining us is a reporter from the "bismarck tribune." good morning. guest: good morning. wheregive us a sense of

she falls on the clinical spectrum. guest: heidi heitkamp is a former tax commissioner and state attorney general in north dakota. she is a member of the democratic nonpartisan league in north dakota, which is -- so she is a democrat and a very conservative state. host: with that in mind, since the announcement of brett kavanaugh, what the she face? -- what does she face? guest: she of course will take part in his confirmation hearing. and just 14 hours after the president's made his take, -- pick, a group, the susan b anthony list, held a rally outside the bismarck building and called on her to confirm brett kavanaugh. host: is that the largest influence she will face or will there be other forces within the state? guest: i am not sure.

i believe that is the first group we have heard from so far. that was so quick read after the president made his announcement. several people i spoke to with that group said her vote will be crucial, especially since she was one of the few democrats who voted to confirm justice neil gorsuch just last year. host: when it comes to her political future, talk about what she faces for reelection, particularly paying in this position she asked to make. guest: she is facing republican congressman kevin cramer, also from north dakota. that is said to be a high-stakes race. they both have a history before voters here in north dakota. and both came into office congress in the same year, 2013. it is turning out to be an interesting race. he will be interesting to see where it goes. one political scientist i spoke to said we still have four

months left in this election. there is plenty of time for other issues to come up besides the supreme court. herays he is not sure how decision on brett kavanaugh may play in favor at the ballot box in north dakota. host: when it comes the judge kavanagh, what has the senator expressed since the nomination? guest: a couple minutes after the president made his announcement on twitter, she issued a statement saying she looks forward to studying his record, getting to know him, and "aving a "fair and exhaustive review. host: jack dura, a reporter for the "bismarck tribune." what do you think when it comes to her showing her hand? guest: we are keeping track of when she may meet with that caps on, just to see where that might go.

we are keeping a tab on what might happen. scienceolitical professor told me, there are plenty of months left in the reelection campaign. ra talking about this choice that faces senator heidi heitkamp. thanks for your time this morning. guest: thank you. coupleur next guest, a of weeks ago, made stunning statements and expressed a plea when it comes to situations on the border. representative norma torres of california, democrat of that state, joining us for that when "washington journal" continues. ♪ >> sunday night on "q&a" --

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vote. watch live on c-span. watch anytime on c-span.org. or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> "washington journal" continues. host: there was a recent debate on the house floor that our next guest gave a bit of a personal story about to hear is a bit of that. [video clip] couple970, a guatemalan decided to send their daughter to the u.s. me. young girl was host: representative norma torres now joining us on our "washington journal" set. good morning. tell the rest of that story from that point to hear. -- here. guest: first of all, thank you for allowing me to be here and joining you. it was a tough week for me, that

week, in the context of what we were seeing. i had spent one day in san diego, visiting the children, visiting the centers, the jail that holds the parents. this was the first time that, on the floor, actually talked about myself. i really do not talk about where i come from. it is a sad story, so it is not some and that i often talk about. but it is a story of many immigrants that come here to the u.s., whether they come on their own or they are sent here like i was, by my parents. a very difficult decision, like i said on the floor that day. i do not know if i would have the courage to do that for my children today. host: when it comes to your political career, what did you do before you became a member of congress? i work as a 911 dispatcher in the city of los angeles for 17 and a half years. host: we heard announcements

from the administration there is a closing of the separation process. talk about that news but talk about the process of reuniting children with family separated at the border. guest: there really is no process of reuniting the children, which is hard for american families to stand. that here is a government, the u.s. government, that is supposed to have it together, but yet we are taking babies there are still nursing from notr mothers, and we are tracking them as we should be. we are not ensuring that they are taken care of when they are put in a foster care or wherever they are sent. babies these centers for -- that is no way to treat people who are running away from unimaginable situations of crime, of public corruption, of gangs.

very serious situations. host: even the announcement earlier that there are reunification taking place -- are not believe that or there is still yet to do? guest: there is a lot to do on that. let's go back and talk about, as --other -- when i had a baby and i do not know if you are a dad -- but when you have a baby at the hospital, they put a bracelet on the mother and they put a bracelet on the baby, so that you are able to identify belongs with who -- who belongs with whom. the u.s. government did not do any of that. in some cases, they took photos of the mom and baby. in many cases, they did not. if a child is not able to speak their name, how can they recognize who their parent is, especially a young baby who may be reunited with a total stranger because there have been

away from them so long? reunited somee families, they have not been able to reunite the over 3000 children that are still out there. host: our guest will be here until 9:00, when the house comes in today. torress joining -- norma joining us. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also tweak questions or comments on our twitter feed, @cspanwj. our first call comes from california, lancaster, republican line. glenn is on with representative torres. caller: good morning. i was born in oakland, california. i would like to know, your parents sent you to a sponsor, correct? or did they just send you to the border to let america take care

of you? also, we had a whole bunch of under aet signed up constitutional daca. -- under unconstitutional daca. they used the social security system to sign-up for this, which is another burden on the american people. this is economical warfare by these people. they can get in line and do it just like everyone else. our immigration system is not broken. people everyllion year -- host: ok, got you. guest: thank you for your interest in my background and how i got here. my parents did send me to live ,ith my father's oldest brother who was already living and working and paying taxes and paid into the social security system in whittier, california.

i think i might have wanted to rather live with my father's youngest brother, because he had a family, but unfortunately, he was serving in the u.s. navy at the time. and was deployed overseas, so i was not able to join him. you made a statement about the and youho come here believe they are a drain on our social security system. i think that is an uninformed opinion, and i want to encourage you to read more about what is actually happening. these folks are paying taxes, paying into social security systems, and they are not able to draw from that. because they are undocumented. i wish there was a process --

our immigration system is absolutely broken. there is no process. people wait in line 30 years, just to be heard, to get an appointment area that is something that all of us, you included, are interested in, in trying to come up with a better way of addressing these issues. host: trace from massachusetts, -- grace from massachusetts, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to applaud you for being involved in immigration, because this is a stain on who we are. i look at these children who are coming from these gang-filled c ountries with more guns that shoot and you are afraid of your children being indoctrinated in that system in order to survive. it is incredible to me that we do not open up our hearts to these people. and then there is the separation. i am a mother of six children. i am pretty old right now.

my fourth baby got sick and was put into a room, and at that time, they would not let the parents stay with a child. when he came home after they released him, i had a hard time with that child. he was fighting me, and he was only about 18 months old. he was not the same little boy. it took time. i said to my pediatrician, i was ready to have my fifth child. i said am i going to go through this again? he said yes, you are. and i did. when i was having my fifth chil d, when i was came home -- when i came home, i was being slapped . so where is the compassion for these children? why do we support a president who does not stick to one thing at a time and result that before floating off to another area? for yourank you

understanding and compassion towards these children. as a mother myself, and grandmother of a three-year-old navy, i totally agree with you that -- baby, i totally agree with you that this is a black guy -- a black eye on america. this is what we shame other countries about -- putting small children in cages, freezing cells, is no way to treat a young child coming here with her parents, seeking help . i want to encourage you to continue to stay involved. although, yes, members of congress, your elected representatives, or a big voice. we are doing everything we can. when it comes to family values, family separations, like we are seeing at the border and in our

nation now, it will really take --ple like who are involved maybe not affiliated to one party or another. and that is ok. we care about people. that is what this country is known for. we want an orderly way of ensuring that, when people come to our border asking for help, that we are there to help. most of all, i want to tell you and reassure you that there are members like me that are working on identifying the root causes and trying to fix and help in those countries. we understand we cannot help every person that comes to our border. so we are working very hard with those governments, and specifically, i have been working on the northern triangle to see the youth there sees a future for themselves. but there are job training opportunities.

to live in a safe environment. some of us are working in a bipartisan way to address those issues. host: the department of homeland security meeting with central american governments to talk about those issues, with one of those two discourage migrants from heading to america at all. guest: this is something i saw when i visited -- i was invited to visit guatemala with vice very early inn, my first term here in congress. the government of guatemala, at that time, was doing psa's. some of that was with the assistance of the u.s. government. i think we should continue to talk about that in these countries. they started a process of creating shelters within the northern triangle countries. people,here

unaccompanied, teenagers could go to and ask for help and be processed in these countries. to prevent them from walking that 1000 miles north and that very dangerous path through mexico. however, president trump did away with that. i think that is something we need to look at. host: from minnesota, republican line. caller: good morning. laws that americans have two of a. -- have to obey. these parents are causing the problem by dragging the children in appearance some of them do not even belong to the parents. we need to stick to the laws, and everyone should obey them. guest: thank you. we absolutely have laws. we absolutely have legislators. the responsibility of legislators is to ensure that the laws that we are applying,

that we are asking our first responders and law enforcement agencies to comply by, to enforce, are actually laws that are applicable to current times. i think this is an opportunity for all of us. is to be lawmakers. if there is a problem, we ought to be focusing on it and fixing it. host: from maryland, independent line, chuck. been listening to these conversations about immigration policy and the taking of children from their parents. i have looked at this from long and far. my problem with this is the parents do not accept any responsibility for their actions. they throw the children out there like they are victims of a committed by a

tyrant president. i do not believe that. i am a taxpayer. if i park somewhere they posted on, they take my car, and i pay for it. if these people apply for citizenship, go through the proper obligations, i have every right to believe they should become citizens. i have no problem with that. but when you throw them on the of freedom and say that these people are being abused -- i think they are being treated better than any place they have been their entire lives. but they do not credit that to the government did this is hard situation for a lot of people. host: thank you. guest: i agree with you -- this is a very difficult situation that has been created i this administration at our border. it did need -- it did not need to be created. we certainly did not need to be put in a very negative limelight

with our allies around the world. arehe extent that people here, throwing their kids -- many of these families, you should know, actually presenting themselves. they are not trying to sneak over or under any fence or trying to cross illegally. they are actually presenting themselves and their children at the border and asking for asylum. the law of this country. when people ask for asylum, there is a process, an orderly process, and it is illegal for us to turn them away. so i want to encourage you to get informed and find out more information about what is actually happening. i do not believe that you would you have if you truly knew what is happening down there. host: a story from yesterday saying the administration

formerly started the asylum crackdown yesterday. could you expand on that? guest: we are not processing many of the asylum cases. they are being received by threats. they are being told they are separating the parents from their children, very young children in many cases. what they are saying to these dances -- paarent -- these parents is we will give you back your child. you have to sign that you are relinquishing your right to ask for asylum, and that you will be sent back to your own country. those are the options. if people want to see their children back and be reunited, they have to give up their right to ask for asylum. that is incredible that this country is violating these basic principles that are in place to protect people who are fleeing

from very dangerous situations. host: you heard from some critics that some of -- some requesting a silent get assigned a date and do not come back on that date. guest: in some cases, that is an issue. the people who come in with young children, that is not an issue. i believe the number is 90% of those folks who are given a date to appear in court actually appear in court. maryland on a court immigration court date with some of my colleagues and observed very young children -- imagine a year-old, having to face a judge on their own without an attorney. the folks that we saw, because we were there only for the first part of that session, did have an attorney. a common courtesy that the court extends to those attorneys is

they will see those cases first. but the last couple of hours of that session included children that were presenting themselves with absolutely no attorney. host: representative norma torres, democrat from california. this is from california, democrat line. frank, hello. caller: how are you doing? good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i work for the federal bureau of prisoners in california. you know we have had 1000 detainees in our facilities. the main thing, questions i have asked, is what will happen to these detainees later down the world -- road? as federal officers, we do a good job of housing these

people, but we are limited in resources. a lot of problems we run into is the language barriers. i know a lot of detainees have asked when are they going to go back home? but the biggest problem we have in our facility, in the bureau, is the lack of resources when it comes to staffing. host: thanks. guest: thank you for your service. victorvillee facility, not to visit these cases, but as a state legislator. i did a lot of work around theon issues, representing men's central prison in my own district. i know you have a very tough job. thank you for calling in and bringing this to my attention. absolutely. this is a perfect example of what is happening in this administration. people are being sent out. law enforcement officers are

having to deal with incidents and people with very little or absolutely zero training. to the extent that they are trying to do their job. remember -- the folks were being detained in this prison, many of them, the crimes they committed was coming to the border, presenting themselves, and asking for asylum. the not know about background of every single one of those 1000 people, but many of those are there. for these officers to keep this population away and protected from the hard-core criminals that are also in this prison is an extremely difficult job. many of the people that are coming from guatemala -- in 26temala, there are 24, indigenous languages that are spoken. many of them do not even speak spanish.

some resources are needed. if the federal government is to continue with this, we need to ensure that our law enforcement officers have resources that they need, get the training that they need, in order to deal with these issues that they are now having to deal with. host: roll call reported late last month that there were three thatlators that one it -- wanted to present a bill to abolish immigrations and customs enforcement. initially, what did you think about that effort? guest: it is unfortunate that, out of desperation, people are moving in different directions. it is unfortunate that, as much as we have talked about child separation, as many people that have, out of republican and democratic districts and said "we are americans," and we will not tolerate this, there has

been no action from republican leadership to take up a bill to ensure that first responders, law enforcement officers, like frank, have resources that they need in order to deal with the situation. and that i.c.e. has a directive we give them and are operating under those directives. unfortunately, right now, i.c.e. is only hearing from the trump administration. i.c.e. does a lot more than immigration, then detaining and the hoarding people. there is another bureau within i.c.e. that is responsible for homeland security, such as investigating kidnappings, investigating drug trafficking -- if we do not like the active of i.c.e., then we need to change that. but we need to own that as numbers of congress. we need to stop allowing this

administration to bully us into a corner and coming up with on an on solutions like this. if we abolish i.c.e., who will be next? it is the directive we are giving personnel that needs to change. host: let's go to linda, st. louis, democrat line. caller: good morning. i want to say that, in my 70 years, i have never been more ids -- disgusted and appalled with what my government is doing. i see these parents as grave that they would want their children to have a better life. i would willingly give up my life to protect my child and make sure my child has a decent, safe life. that is all i have to say about it. you.: thank you are not alone when you talk about that. when we look and listen to the horrific photos and soundbites

coming out of these institutions were people are being held. as parents, as american citizens, you have a right to speak out when you're not happy with how your government is performing. i encourage you to continue doing that, continue to write letters, continue to make the calls to all of our offices. as much as everyone else has been doing. host: will there be any more hearings or action on child separations? guest: right now, the representative, speaker ryan, posted anything to the have refused to bring any of the bills. so at this point, no. representative norma torres, democrat from california, serving the 35th district and also the caucus chair for central american

caucus. a rare meeting of the house of representatives as it consider more -- as they consider more business. a new edition of "washington journal" comes away at 7:00 tomorrow. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., july 13, 2018. i hereby appoint the honorable paul mitchell to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, paul d. ryan, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: the prayer will be offered by the guest chaplain,