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post your comments, where there are already 540. your was the president in pennsylvania last night. [video clip] theour was the story by fake news. the president was 15 minutes late for the queen -- wrong. thehere's the rest of story, no, here is the rest. here is the rest of the story. they said i was late, i was actually early. number two, i guess the meeting was scheduled for 15 minutes and it lasted for almost an hour. the president overstays. [laughter] so i was latep: and i overstayed and honestly, folks, it was such a beautiful, beautiful visit and afternoon. that they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. president trump last night in pennsylvania. senator richard blumenthal tweeted out about the criticism

of the media, this kind of behavior is characteristic of despots and dictators, not american presidents. anobust free press plays important role in democracy and the white house should stop attacking it. he went on to say the resolution my colleagues and i introduced yesterday condemns the trump administration for these baseless and dangerous attacks. this is not a partisan issue. my republican colleagues should sign on. yesterday morning, ivanka trump, the president's daughter and advisor was at an event in os.hington hosted by axi she was asked if she shares the presidency of the media. [video clip] >> do you think of the word enemy of the people? >> sorry? [laughter] >> do you think we are the enemy of the people? >> no, i do not. [laughter] >> is this you shared in your family? >> are you looking for me to elaborate?

no, i don't. i certainly can share my own havenal perspective, i certainly received my fair share personallyg on me that i know not to be fully accurate, so i have some peoplevity around why have concerns and gripe, especially when they are still targeted, but no, i do not feel the media -- people. host: the president tweeted about that question to his daughter. they asked ivanka if the media was an enemy of the people. said no.ctly it is the fake news, which is a large percentage of the media, that is the enemy of the people. by the way, we covered about to withanka's interview

axios. working in thed her workse as well as life balance. you oppose ther, president. why? caller: i think the media has the right call the president on anything he says or does. greetings from motown, can you hear me? host: you are on the air. caller: even though i mistakenly called on the wrong line, i oppose the president's criticism of the media. the media is calling him out, because they are trying to report on this sort about of out of- sort control, rude, crass, braggadocio's behavior from this president, and he needs to be called out on this and the s, the white people

who support donald trump. the media has a duty and a right to call donald trump out on anything he says, does, or tweets. host: jerry, where you get your news? where you watch? tv,er: i watch free speech i watch msnbc and cnn. those are the ones i watch, know some of my conservative enemies do watch fox news and listen to conservative talk radio and warsen to alex jones' info and things like that. so in closing, their knees -- there needs to be a check on this braggadocius president. host: our next caller is from maryland. good morning.

host: you're on the air. i am a long-time loyal listener of c-span radio. diois because of c-span ra that i realize the news media is uninformative. they pick what they want to broadcast and do not broadcast what they disagree with, and i totally agree with president said.and what ivanka the previous caller, when he said he called on the wrong line. you should have cut him off. greta, i also noticed that you will ask people to explain and prove what evidence they have when they say something for the president, but you let people they saynd role on if bad things about the president. that is because i listen all the time to c-span radio. host: ok. john, manchester, new jersey. you oppose, and you are on the air. good morning. good morning.

i'm a long-time c-span listener, and i think what that lady just said is totally wrong. if you watch his actions, what he says, the media gives him to not take questions and he does not want to answer them. he wants to stay far away from this subject. maybe he will be jail bound one-day or at least be impeached, because that is what should happen. i go by actions, not words. host: impeached why? speak: because actions louder than words. you watch a person, what they do, how they act, how they react to things means more than if they say hey, i did not break that window, even though they threw the rock. everything points to him being in with russia and russia wanting [inaudible] for what? look at the actions. we are being betrayed, and by calling the news fakes news --

fake news and fox is the only true news? that is a lie in itself. and you have a guy at the beginning who mentioned them, and he was talking about shooting mueller. what kind of crap is that going to happen? you cannot have people on the radio saying hey, let's go out and shoot somebody. our caller from pennsylvania, don, supports what the president is saying. caller: good morning. it all started when trump got elected. lemon fromer and don cnn calls trump supporters all racists. they don't even know us. they don't even know these americans out here and there calling is racist because we voted for trump? give me a break. they started the w?

-- the war. if i see them, i am going to shoot them. by. host: a reminder to you and others, you have to turn on the tv and listen and talk through the phone. tom in virginia. what is your opinion on this? caller: thank you for taking my call, first of all. i want to say again, you guys are a national treasure. i have started a nonprofit last year called sit not fearful, because i realized the news news and really become attainment. they are not really incentivized by providing the news. they are incentivized by advertising dollars. so what trump calls fake news is really just the editorializing of whatever he says and the opinions being sensationalized. he says being sensationalized either by a liberal commentator or conservative commentator just to resonate with their narrative

that they appeal to on the television or on radio or whatever it is. ,ecause they make money off of in fighting their own audience. so by inciting their audience, they will drive up their ratings , continue making money. they have no incentive to tell you just what happened. that is the old news. today's news is all about sensationalizing it. a hurricane and there are people standing in the middle of a hurricane just to at thesee to look people standing in the middle of a hurricane. it does not have anything to do with the actual consequences or the actual events. it has to be driving ratings and getting people to watch, getting people to listen to -- that is why everybody lives inside their narrative bubble. it is fun to watch what they or have been convinced to

believe is the news but is not. it is all just sensationalized to drive advertising dollars. politicians do the exact same thing. that is why when they are running for office, they are all on the far right or the far left , and when they get in office, they can't get anything done. you watch the exchange yesterday between white house press secretary sarah sanders and jim acosta at the white house? caller: i watch all of them as much as i can, but the reality people would just listen to what people actually of listening to the commentary that follows, and then form their own opinion -- but they have to listen to a full spectrum of the narrative. they have to listen to people of the left and people on the right. the actual -- what we call them is authoritative voices. first-person account

information, not opinion of what somebody else said or my thoughts about what somebody else said. skewed those things are by the bias of whoever the commentator is. no one at fox news is ever going to be hired at fox news to work against the agenda of fox news. they are never going to hire a commentator that is going to work against the agenda of fox news. cnn will do the same thing, msnbc will do the same thing. so just remember that everything you are watching on these supposedly news channels -- supposed news channels, they are commentators. they are entertainers. they are not news people. host: and the consequence, tom, is that america is more divided? caller: correct. they are driven apart by campaignng and agendas. working sort of in

this -- and i do not think this was ever done on purpose, i of thehis occurred out advancements in social media technology, television, if you look back at what happened with appealedeagan to the american people why? he was in america's living room for 15 minutes tonight. he had been on the radio for years. everybody knew him. he was the first guide to run timeook advantage at the of what was the most advanced social media. people need to remember that they need to be listening to the other side, not just living within their narrative bubble. cause fore singular why america feels like it is being torn apart. leave it, i will there. the hill newspaper has a piece this morning, trump takes us versus them media war to new heights. in it, they write that things are likely to get more heated

with the midterm elections approaching. after that, the nation can look forward to a divisive presidential campaign of trump seeks reelection against a large cache of democrats who look to unseat him. the stark divide between political partisans is of course nothing new. we recalled moments in the obama presidency, after trayvon martin cable reflected a divided nation. now this is on steroids. ongoingnts to the russian investigation and never-ending stream of trump later news on cable network -- trump related news on cable network, while toby berkowitz points a finger at trump's strategy. it continues to accelerate because trump has the perfect foil -- the media, and he continues to be overly vertically -- overly aggressive with his aggravation, insults,

and unions of fakery. trump on thursday morning started his day by slamming cnn and msnbc's morning joe, saying the were being left in dust by fox, his favorite network. judy in oregon, go ahead. glad to talk to you. i stay up for this program every night, and on this particular subject, i think his resentment morerted mowing -- pointed to the pundits and his translation of what he has to say. in my opinion, c-span is clean and honest. and does theformat presentation of, for example, israeli, his opinion, his speech, they do not comment on it. there are no pundit in the back making any kind of conversation about what he said, or there is an opposing, often there is an opposing politician from the democratic side after a speech

that will give their impression or their stance on what is being discussed, but c-span is 100% clean. is out forrk news their own and they have a lot of people that are being paid, , theyally the msnbc, cnn are really running their own agenda and not just allowing the facts to come out like c-span does on a day-to-day basis and allowing people to make up their own minds about what is being said and done. host: ok. one thing we covered yesterday, judy, when these briefings are the back and forth between white house press secretary sarah sanders and the reporters at the white house. after ivanka trump was axios and made the comments she did about not view,g the president's but before the president held

that rally in pennsylvania, white house secretary sarah sanders took questions from reporters. one of them was jim a caustic who asked her to say that the media is not the enemy of the state. take a listen. [video clip] that notironic, jim, only you and the media attack the president for his rhetoric when they frequently lower the level of conversation in this country repeatedly, repeatedly the media resorts to personal attacks without any content other than to incite anger, the media has attacked me personally on a number of occasions, including your own network. they said i should be harassed as a life sentence, that i should be choked. ice officials are not welcome in their place of worship and personal information is shared on the internet. and i was hosted by the correspondents association, which almost all of your members of, you brought a comedian up to attack my appearance and call me a traitor to my own gender. in fact, as far as i know, i'm the first press secretary and history of the united states that has required secret service

confession -- protection. the media continues to ratchet up the verbal assault against the president and anyone in this administration, and certainly we have a role to play but the media has a role to play in the discourse in this country as well. >> if i may follow up, you did not say, in the course of those remarks that you just made, that the press is not the enemy of the people. are we to take it, from what you just said, we all get put through the ringer and in the meat grinder in this town, and you are no exception. i am sorry that that happened to you. i wish that had not happened. of this room,ke the people who are in this room, this democracy, this country, all the people around the world are watching what you are saying, sarah, and the white house, the united dates of america, the president of the united states should not refer thes as the enemy of people. his own daughter at knowledge is that, and all i am asking you to do is ignore that right now and right here.

that -- make knowledge acknowledge that right now and right here. feelings,my personal and i have spoken on behalf of the president, who has made his comments clear. host: a response on twitter from democratic lawmakers. disgusted by today's white house press briefing. why won't the press secretary say the media is not the enemy of the people? senator bob menendez -- unbelievable. the president's attacks on our media seeks a discredit journalists and undermine their essential work to report the truth and hold those in power accountable. sarah huckabee sanders the city today is downright frightening. and if something newsworthy happens at a trump rally, by all means, report it. but at this point, there is no justification for covering it like it is continuous breaking news. joe in columbia, south carolina, what do you think? caller: i agree with the president, unfortunately. i am sorry, i have to, but the reality, it is what it is.

us, especially in the black community, growing up in mediark at that time, the was not in a lot of our favor when it came to civil rights, free speech, and so forth. so why are we surprised? we have been to gish and -- conditions to politicians for so many years. trump is a man that has been speaking like a common, hard-working person, and i am surprised i am even speaking on his behalf, knowing the history of him and his father. but the reality is he is breaking up a lot of the the positioning politicians. therefore, a lot of us black people, if you do not decide that yes, you are opening up the pandora's box of a lot of bigotry and racism, all that is blackto do is bring

people together stronger, hopefully. if not, [inaudible] host: so your distrust of the media goes back before donald trump? before the president of the united states? caller: yes. anyone who was born and raised in this country understands that ,he media, especially especially in certain urban neighborhoods, during the crime livingc, when we were with so-called italian gangsters, new york when they were stealing, corruption, so forth -- really? come on. now the media is kind of test off because a lot of us -- pissed off because a lot of us do not ask those hard questions like we used to back in the day. so yes, the media has been tainted, they jacked up -- i am

sorry i use those type of phrases, ok, but the reality is, let [inaudible] if you mess is the country, then hisan waive our fingers in face, but for now, all those banks that have been holding money because they did not like a black president, would not allow him -- can you imagine the president obama acting like president trump? they probably would have assassinated him. but it is ok. president obama could not do it, and people still dislike him, and he is not even a president. host: ok. james in baltimore, your turn. you oppose the criticism. caller: definitely. to ask yourld like republican callers, has trump ever lied? does trump still lie?

i bet they cannot answer that question. what is obama's light yet go you can keep your doctor, and that is the big lie. [inaudible] if you cannot keep your doctor, that is terrible. has an agenda. if you are not white, you are not with him, and [inaudible] fews a president of a southerners. for god's sake, we are more than them. hillary won by over 3 million votes, so these folks are in the majority. they are not. they are not. i want to asking that question -- has trump ever lied? folks in west virginia, apart from the rallies, i know he is the king of rallies, but [inaudible] it is like a cult, like a cult.

who has had their life improved years, virginia? for two [inaudible] all the lies about the coal industry coming back. host: we will leave it there and get more voices coming in on this. president trump's criticisms of the media, do you support or oppose it? you thiso hear from morning. we have a third line also for the members of the media. we will also start with the front page of the wall street journal. trump sets up a mission battle, seeking to curb california's power to regulate auto pollution and fuel use. the proposal would eliminate the sharp increase in fuel economy mandates adopted under the obama administration. the rules require efficiency to be boosted to 50 miles a gallon on average by 2025, cutting emissions. the trump administration wants to cut that a 37 miles gallon, one of its biggest rollbacks yet topresident obama's efforts fight climate change. it's as the prior proposals

overestimated how quickly consumers would adopt quicker -- cleaner cars and trucks, because according to trump administration officials, they will cost more. that is in the wall street journal. in the washington times, throw off republicans scheduled to confirm judge kavanagh. at the end of october, the best estimate for one million pages to review. the national archive says it will take months to process the record republicans have asked to see from judge brett kavanagh's previous governor work, throwing a curveball at the gop. they hope to see the document, hold hearings, and confirm him before october. the archives of says it will take at least through october 2 review one million pages that republicans have requested to see. that does not include the 3 million additional pages democrats have asked for. yesterday, republican senators, led by the senate judiciary chair chuck grassley, held a news conference to talk about the schedule for judge kavanagh. it was before the archive said it would take them longer than the republicans would like, but

we covered it. go to our website, c-span.org, if you are interested in following that topic. and speaking of campaigns, this is two stories in the wall street journal. campaign 2018, from tennessee executive winning the gop primary, a construction , bill lee, won the primary for tennessee governor. representative diane black was endorsed by vice president mike pence. the state house speaker -- he also -- mr. lay, 57 years old, is chairman and former chief executive of a company founded by his grandfather. he had never before sought public office and portray himself in tv as an outsider clearly allied with president trump. ms. black had hoped an endorsement from president trump would propel her to a primary victory. her tv ads featured photos of herself with the president and

clips of mr. trump praising her for her work on the tax law he signed last december. but no presidential endorsement came and gop voters did not reward her. a bellwether for november. president trump is heading to ohio on saturday to show off support for a public and house candidate who is failing to motivate gop voters. this offers a preview of dozens of midterm races across the country. it reliably republican district that harbors a supercharged democratic base, and suburban voters who pulled sure -- who are frustrated with the president's leadership. we will watch those two races as well as others as we head into the midterm elections. and the president's national security team was in the white house briefing room yesterday to warn that russia is a threat to the midterm elections. they called it real. security officials

were warning him. here is dan coats. [video clip] >> as director of national intelligence, i would like people to know that the intelligence community and all postured toies are identify threats of all kinds against the united states. the president has specifically directed us to make the matter of election meddling and securing our election process a top priority, and we have done that and are doing that and continue to do so. we have incorporated the lessons learned from the 2016 election, and implement a broad spectrum of actions to share more information across the federal withnment, as well as state and local governments and also with the public and the private sector. the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections, both the midterms and

the presidential elections of 2020. in regards to russian involvement with the midterm elections, we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. these efforts are not exclusive to this election for future elections, but certainly cover issues relevant to the election. try to know the russians hack into and steal information from candidates and government officials alike. notre aware that russia is the only country that has an interest in trying to influence our domestic political environment. we know there are others who have the capability and maybe consider influencing activities. as such, we will continue to monitor and warn of any such effort. director of national

intelligence at the white house briefing, joined by fbi director christopher wray and national security adviser john bolton, as well as others. if you missed it, you can find it on our website, c-span.org. back to our conversation with you, trump's criticism of the media. do you support or oppose it? the new york times frames last night's rally in pennsylvania with this headline, they can make anything bad. trump bashes a familiar foe. during the rally, supporters gleefully boot every -- booed every aspect of the fake news, talked aboutent anticipating positive coverage, only to be disappointed by what he deemed critical headlines. he interrupted a 10 minute question to complain that the news networks had intentionally delayed results. he found fault with coverage of his meeting with kim jong-un, after which the president announced the north had ceased nuclear testing and have finally returned remains of american soldiers killed in the korean

war. how theclear remains were properly edify. he criticized -- he criticized vladimir putinth in helsinki, finland, saying this good relationship was to be celebrated. the crowd went on to chant cnn sucks. dismisseds -- concerns he had antagonized allies during a gathering of the organization, arguing that regardless of any tense discussion about funding and tariffs, i have a better relationship with everyone of them than any other president. -- had been grossly misrepresented or neglected altogether. what do you think? riverside, california, you support the criticism. why is that? caller: hello? host: you are on the air. caller: what i want to say is the media, sometimes i be

thinking they treat trump like he is a black man. have you ever been to southern california gas go the media is -- california? the media is really bad with mexican americans and black americans. every time someone gets shot, they say it was a black man, a mexican-american, a black man. when it comes to a white man, they will just say, we did not see him or we do not know what race he was, or they just won't say. either way, we already know it is a white man. but that is how the media is. i can't see why in the world anyone would vote for a democrat here in california if they are a mexican-american or a black american, because the media, the disrespect black americans and mexican-americans every day. just watch the news. every day, the same thing happens, just like trump.

me being a black man, there is no way i could vote for democrats like it used to because democrats run the media. that is all i have to say. host: ok. ricardo in pennsylvania, opposing. you are on the air? oppose, and ido am an african american. let me tell you something. is not fake news. i know there has been problems with the media, you know, when you get back during the slavery times during the civil war and reconstruction, but thank god you can criticize the free press. whereo we want to have, we could not criticize the free press? do you want to be like north korea or china? they do not have a free press? , support the black press because when you read that you get a different perspective, but least you can criticize. what is wrong with trump, well, the media, they are watchdogs. trump wants a lapdog.

anybody, african americans that support him or anybody else, i just do not get it. i am at a loss for words with what is happening. but i talked to the press, i am telling the press, if you are listening, continue to do what you do. continue to report the truth on this man, because when i was -- i am 74 years old, and when i was in high school, we had a course on hitler. this man acts just like those people, i tell you. host: why do you say that? pillared at some terrible -- caller: the way he denigrates things, the way he talks about the press, it is just controlling controlling. that is how hitler's started, controlling the people. host: it went a lot farther than that. further, iwent a lot know, but we are in america and hopefully it will not go that far. i'm just saying, it is the control he wants.

and i implore the media to continue reporting the news. the free media is not fake news and i know we have had problems as african-americans, we have. i agree with some of what the guy said, but on a whole, i can't imagine what is happening here. people in my age bracket and even older and younger, we are appalled at what is happening in this country. host: keith in clearwater, florida. keith, what do you do? caller: i am an investigative journalist, good morning. host: thank you for calling in. what do you think of this? caller: well, i think what the media does not report has more value than what they do, typically. i say that as a member of the media. the media knows a lot more than what they report about these stories. they filter the stories according to a business model of their corporate policy. fox, that is go to

not an accident. fox wants to filter the news according to a conservative perspective. that is pretty much all they do, and the same is true with cnn and msnbc. as you watch the half-hour nightly news at 6:30, they spend about two minutes on political issues and the rest on full of -- floods and other things. so people need to get their news sources from cable news and what people don't understand with news consumers is they deliberately filter the news. it is not by accident, and it is usually not acknowledged. they do it in order to attract and maintain customers or their sponsors of a particular perspective. so what should people read it is a tougher: situation. first of all, people have to understand that what i do, when i hear about a news story and go to a particular cable news

channel. if i go to this morning's msnbc, it is the-to-wall and same with fox and fox and friends. do,he first thing i had to even as a journalist, is not get frustrated. it is a business model landscape. s, charlie moonve rose, cbs before him, and the nbc executive who sat on the weinstein story, it is all business for them. a newsstion, what should consumer do? the only thing you can do is be aware of it and basically surf different cable channels. host: what do you read, keith? caller: i read everything. i love to hear, regardless of whether i go on fox or cnn, i

love the stories and i always wish i could hear the other side, you know? that is just the way i am. most news consumers are. so i have to flip the channel. when they decide they have a different business model and want to present balance, then i will be happy, but i am not holding my breath. host: who do you write for? do you want to tell us? caller: i am an investigative journalist. i publish at harvard, and i'm doing a documentary on the casey anthony story, that whole story here in florida, and i have a lot of private clients. host: keith in clearwater, florida. we will go to lorraine in covington, florida. support. -- covington, louisiana. support. caller: i just choked on some water, but i am ok now. sometimes i do not like what trump says and how he says it, know, veryre, as you

profound differences in beliefs in our country. and sometimes it is really hard to know what news is being objective and what isn't? i will give you an example from c-span. i like c-span from the most part -- for the most part, but do you know that one of your hosts has served on a panel to impeach president trump on the basis of obstruction? it was several months ago, but do you know one of your hosts to that? familiar -- who are you talking about? caller: well, she is typically on saturday. i don't want to mention names and that kind of stuff, that would give it away. host: i think she was moderating a discussion, but i do not think the discussion was for the idea of doing it. caller: yes it was.

it was clearly for the idea of how do you do this? tellwere pro -- you could by the participation of the panelists -- they were for impeaching president trump for obstruction. host: ok, ok. so go ahead with your point? , ther: that colors my view way you present news can very opposing -- subtly be up putting trump and opposing -- opposing trump and one side or the other, if that makes sense. that yes, all of the host sit in his chair, our objective is to tell you what washington is reading, read little bits from the newspapers, show you the headlines from the decision-makers, the people that are here, and then obviously, hear from all of you. so washington can hear from you

as well to keep your perspective on all of this. we are trying to moderate a conversation, that is the goal. way thathanks, but the you do that can very subtly, very subtly lead people in a certain way. it just can. it disturbs me immensely that one of your hosts can be on such a panel. because that colors, how do i view c-span? can i view it as presenting and being a moderator of the facts? when i'm not so sure that i can. host: that's a valid point, some constructive criticism. thanks, lorraine. dave in cincinnati. dave, you're next. good morning, greta. i love what you are wearing this morning. that is a beautiful color of yellow. i will start with another criticism, greta. early on, there was a caller that mention shooting someone and you made no comment.

that is unacceptable, greta. that is unacceptable. you have to say something when someone talks about violence, please, please. we don't want that. host: i thought he was referring to someone else who said it, but got it. caller: no, he said it. .e said he would even if it was someone else, greta, please. when there is violence mentioned, you have to say something. host: absolutely. david in georgia. you support criticism of the media. hi, david. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. the investigative reporter from florida kind of store my thunder there. what i do is get up and watch the morning shows, and i fortunately have a split screen so i can watch it all. it is important to watch all of it and get on cable news and your computer. i try to figure out where the truth lies. for example, dan coats,

christopher wray going out and saying what they did about --sia's attempt to interfere now even your mainstream media this morning is saying the president is talking against his own national security people. that is not what it was. his fake news is about the smaller investigation and the trump, trump, trump, everything that is donald trump. the media spins everything. is important to watch all of it and realize that conservative stations will play to their audience and their all theers, and most rest, the president says 91% of media is fake. 94%, butt is more like he probably has specific people there to get more true numbers. i will go back to what you are referring to, which is last night at the pennsylvania was talkingresident

-- when he says it is a hoax, you said he was referring to the mueller investigation, which he has said before. the media this morning is saying that he is calling russia's threat to the election system a hoax? that's right, and they do it purposely. it is easy to see. most of us in middle america and rural america, if we are not on the northeast or the west coast, we understand all of this. that is why there is not going to be no good blue wave. the media is complicit with the democratic party and i do not understand. it is important to us to have at least two. a separate opinions in congress and important to two a true media -- separate opinions in congress and the porton to have a true media. just because they were wrong in the last election and they cannot get over it, it is sad

because it is important to have two opposing the instant checks .nd balances in a true media i think it is very damaging to this country. it has been for a lot longer than right now. this is something that is set, and it is going to damage the country, even after the media finally recognizes all that mr. trump has done for this nation. i was a never trump are, trust me. trust me, buter, his supreme court pick cause me to convert for president trump. and look what he has done. so i am on board with trump's agenda. david in georgia. some other headlines in wall street journal, beijing threatens to return fire on u.s. tariffs. china fired back after the trump administration threatened to double proposed tariffs did you hundred billion dollars of chinese goods, saying it will not yield to white house pressure. officials did not

specify how they would retaliate, because china imports u.s. thanrom the the uss from china. doesnnot -- then the u.s. from china. it cannot keep up tit-for-tat tariffs, but it can delay licenses and hold up mergers and acquisitions for u.s. businesses and increase inspections of u.s. products. that is how long season say the wildfire will last compare to 30 years ago. there is also a story below this about a usa today veterans hospital in washington. employees have pleaded with the new v.a. secretary to take actions as conditions at the facility have continued to deteriorate, even after a national leader swept in more than a year ago, removed the hospital director and patient care experts to help.

you can find that on the front page of the newspaper this morning. is also a story about the pope, the vatican rejects the death penalty. the church altars teachings, saying it will work to end executions worldwide. the church is updated teaching describes capital punishment as inadmissible and an attack on the dignity of the person. for the deathowed penalty on very rare occasions, as an means of defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. you can use.ews the money section of usa today, a tax-free weekend for 10 states. back-to-school shoppers can save arkansas, missouri, iowa, florida, new mexico, ohio, wisconsin, south carolina, and oklahoma this weekend. so check out that in usa today. and finally, the new york times front page, apple hits $1 trillion threshold.

that is their story. the mega companies drive the market, but also income inequality is what they say economists are looking at. in the business section of the new york times, they have this graphic. from97, apple was 90 days going broke. on thursday, it became the most public we traded american company -- the first publicly traded american company to be $1 trillion. it has the combined value of these public company listed on american exchanges, roughly equal to that of apple by itself. back to our conversation. in frederick, maryland. you opposed the criticism of the media. you are on the air. caller: that is correct, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i generally up with his criticism, not necessarily because we shouldn't criticize the media, but trump is essentially acting as a

demagogue in the sense he is appealing to the president says -- president -- prejudices, fears, that the common people have that might not be informed. i find it disturbing, less so on trump's part, but if you get information from the news and do not fact check it, compare it with sites are other news articles or outlet that might conflict with your own ideas, i think that is more of a reflection on the american people as opposed to just trump. ideally, that sort of rhetoric bounces off someone who has a critical mind and challenges their own views and challenges others. i think trying to shut down and silence the media is incredibly detrimental to how we would function as a country. host: judy in canton, illinois. you support the president on this. good morning to you. caller: good morning. yes i do. earlierwith the

caller from virginia and the investigative journalist who called in. of the news media i see endless and two, they start off with a headline -- we could take man afford, for example -- the headline will be trump campaign manager indicted, but he was not he had time ase a campaign manager, he was indicted for so-called crimes he may have done 20 years ago. but a lot of people do not have time to really read all the news or listen to it, so you get or grabbingites headlines, and you do read the story. it has nothing to do with his activities as a campaign manager. so in that regard, trump is kind of right to call them out as fake news. i think the news people like it. all the ratings have gone up,

and i do not know what more to say about that. but i do support that. the news is not as it was 20 years ago. now it is all opinion and commentary and really very little news. the bigfing yesterday, headline should be ok, this is what america have to watch out in 2018,e elections and everyone is playing the soundbite of jim acosta going after sanders for something unrelated to what that briefing was about. again, and he is always opposing or bringing up things to make a confrontation instead of -- he could've talked to her off-site about that, this is hurting journalism, but no, he wanted to do it there. it was unrelated, and that is what all the tv stations carried as their leading story about the briefing. newspapersront page

this morning did not lead with that exchange between jim acosta and sarah sanders, but they also did not have the story about the news conference on their front pages. it is inside the newspaper along with the story about the media. ralph in washington, d.c.. go ahead. share your thoughts. caller: i see both sides. the one thing i can say about trump, trump is finally opening the eyes of the american public, and [inaudible] trump is the biggest liar i have haveseen of any person i ever seen. it is insane. people want to check him on facts, go to fact checker.org, political fact, and oath of those sites will give you breakdowns. .rump has lied over 3000 times i can see both sides.

now, on the one hand you got fox, which is totally republican. they will not say anything negative about trump unless they bite their tongue later. and they even deny global warming, which there is not one scientific organization in the world that agrees to that. on the left, you have the social justice warriors. which reallyple drove me crazy were those two guys arrested, two black gentleman arrested in philadelphia at starbucks. if you play the violin and see the one side of the story, the guys were evicted because they were black and it was racism against them. to the web and look at the media stories and see the full image from the black police commissioner of philadelphia, these guys were asked two times, three times from the people in the store because they had not bought coffee and were taking up space. any business i go to, if i sit if i they kick me out

don't buy anything. when the cops show up, typically the guys get up and leave, and then the police asked them to leave, and they do not leave. then they are arrested. that fits the social justice narrative, so they filtered the news and found some other way. i knew there was something wrong. one last point, all right? i worked for the faa for 20 years as a printable clearance senior engineer. there were organizations trying to put a story out that just trade the world center building collapsing. to have media's seemed technical difficulty in putting that film on. even c-span, when they discussed 9/11, they discussed it at 9:30 on friday night when no one was listening. we are being fed a line of crap

from both sides. one good thing about trump, and i cannot stand the man, is that he has exposed the lies within the media. host: richard in little rock -- little rock, arkansas. you support the president. i noticed when a president it selected, you hear some good things once in a while. i do not think we have hurt our economy is going over 3%. unemployment has been -- average wages are going up, and those things are all happening for people, especially with the tax-cut. on the other hand, you do not hear any news anymore, which i guess you can say most of the major networks don't make money anymore because we do not hear anything about an ongoing war in africa or turkey and the saudi's involved in the syrian war and what brexit is going to do to us and everything. you put these things up, and all you hear is that you have to find something bad on somebody. the russia involvement here.

election, the russians found some he mails from somebody and put them out. the thing about the emails, they were things these people had written. when it comes to russian involvement in our elections, if you are just too slow to figure out what is not right, what is right, you might not need to vote, but right now it is all one-sided. and then if i tell you, the only time i watch news is when a show is called a news show. if it has someone's name in front of it, it will be a commentary. at trump is doing today, and a heavy-handed way he has stirred people up so they do not know what is going on. it is like the old star wars movie. when the first one comes out, darth vader is a bad guy. wars, end of the star everybody likes darth vader. i will have to agree on him saying that the news is not doing their job, especially by

not reporting news around the world, just reporting on what is washington, d.c. and nothing else, and only getting one side of the story. host: so after your comments, let's look at the front pages of the national newspapers here in new york, washington, d.c., etc. their fronton post, page has a story about the vatican rejecting the death penalty, the trump administration targeting fuel standards, a look, a piece about the situation in nicaragua, and below that, a story about ivanka trump yesterday mentor interview stanh axios, and a lengthier piece about judge kavanagh and how he reversed his thinking on investigating a president. and the new york times, you will go to that next. they have a story about the as well in their front page, apple

hitting $1 trillion, a story about wrestlers and #metoo, and a plan to weaken rules on fuel economy. below that, a story on facebook and a story on hemingway below the fold. that is on the front page of the new york times. let's go to the wall street journal. trump sets up a mission battle, apple road to $1 trillion, and russia decides north korea on the bands. those are above the fold. below the bold, kidney beans pile up as tariffs fight farm country, brazil's elite leave as thoseadise two stories. and the washington times in washington, d.c., the lead with the archive story, throwing off republicans schedule to confirm have a knot. below that, a story about facebook -- kavanagh. below that, a story about facebook, a story about the ron planted cut off gulf oil -- the ability to choke off

the gulf oil flow, and the briefing yesterday with the national security advisers. and you have a new york times acts writer who sent -- new york times backing a writer who sent racist. usa today, apple blossoms to $1 trillion is their lead, and their story about firefighters and the veterans affairs administration also on their front page this morning. west arizona.y, you support criticism of the media. good morning. caller: good morning. yes i do. the media is supposed to be objective and not biased. and the media has not been objective and nonbiased for many, many years. i support president trump criticizing the media and not unbiasedporting news and objective. they all have an agenda, all of these different stations, you can tell whether they are

, and ican or democrat wish that they would report the usedlike walter cronkite to report the news. the last person i thought that was really objective and unbiased in reporting news. host: i got it, joe. on i believe the media before trump about any topic. media. says i oppose the he has a poll that we put on twitter. do you support the criticism of the media? this, 25 support, 75% opposed. works hello. my thing is this. universalt to debate realities.

putin on stage. putin said i voted -- i wanted trump to win. on and youtrump gets see it again. trump said no, they were against me. here it is, you see this national security, all say the russians did what they did. says itht again trump is a hoax. when he says fake news he is creating this thing. he is a circus master. this is what this man has always done. states,le see in red they are not critically

listening. they see it and hear it. he tells them, don't believe what you read what you see and hear. they go ok, he's telling the truth. you just heard putin say it and then he flips it. host: i will leave it there. his remarks at the rally in pennsylvania, you can listen to them in their entirety. , later,, dinesh desousa julie kohler talks about white women who voted for president trump and 2016, back in the democratic fold.

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out many of the metanarratives introduced in the 2016 elections were not of american origin. they were crafted by foreign intelligence agencies outside the united states. >> sunday night, malcolm and his book the plot to destroy democracy. >> these were slow burning propaganda warfare techniques which could never keep hayes with the news media world of the 1960's, 1980's. it is only one social media came power, the ability of you to pick up a fake story and in sept 10 other people inside your facebook channel, and they would do the same thing in a daisy

anin to create essentially unbreakable link of false narratives. at that point nothing you believe before can ever be real. you will abandon it on the basis it is super reinforced by everyone you know. >> watch afterwords on book tv. >> washington journal continues. host: the nesta souza at our table to discuss his new book plantationtary, politics and the making of the democratic party. what motivated you to write this book? guest: it is motivated by the crazy political times we live in. the atmosphere has been surreal.

i'm a product of the reagan era. it is clear we don't live in that area of gentlemen's politics. politics has become rougher, more savage, less civil. trump is a races, trump is a fascist. not just from. these accusations are aimed at more broadly at conservatives. this book steps back and says wait a minute, let's zoom in and examine the history of bigotry from the beginning to the thisnt and ask whether belongs on the republican elephant or on the democratic donkey. twitted --reated -- you tweeted yesterday. i'm not saying liberal was a

liberal democrat. what did you tweet that out? guest: because of an article said it learned was a liberal. what i say is simpler and more crushing and factual. hitler's and the nazis got three specific ideas destructive ideas from american progressives or the democratic party. jacksonian democrats of the 19th century. they displace the american indians and took their land, i'm going to this place the polls and take their land. he drew from the democratic example. we show this in the movie. the senior nazis who made the nuremberg laws, while they were making those laws they had in the hand the democratic laws of

the jim crow south. they crossed out the word black, wrote in the word jew and they were off to the races. i'm saying the nazis got it from the democrats. this is not an our textbooks. we don't hear about it. progressive history has suppressed inconvenient facts that connect the nazis to american democrats. it is not as crude as himmler was a liberal. -- it wasctually inspired. >> why do you feel the need to write that and make a movie? guest: when people use words like fascists, they say trump is a fascist because he is a nationalist. anyone with any clips of history was a nationalist.

mandela was a nationalist. fidel castro was a nationalist. all these people would be fascist. but that is nuts. clearly that is not what fascism means. of a deepo do a bit dive into who are were the fascists. the history eliminates the meaning of terms. host: what is your background? first generation american immigrant. i studied at princeton. the reaganolar at white house, a scholar at aei. stanford.lar at you get these historians going he doesn't know what he's talking about. i am in a sense but what i am revising is progressive

revisionism. progressives have told a story about american history and it is rigged to leave out inconvenient facts which have been suppressed. this is in the area fast schism and racism. we hear the parties switch sides. republicans became democrats. the southern strategy brought the dixiecrat's over to the rep. duncan: side. not true. i can document it. dixiecrat's.e these are people who join the party in the 40's or voted against the civil rights act. a bunch of senators and congressmen. let's count how many became republicans? answer, 2. strom thurmond, albert watson. and no others. in the story at princeton says what about jesse helms? john power?

those were dixiecrat's. if you want to change the game i'm happy to talk about it but don't pretend you're refuting me. open here is jonathan to -- jonathan tobin riding in her column about your film. he says it is true the democratic party was the shield of slavery and jim crow racism but that tells us nothing about contemporary democrats. there was a collectivist aspect to the ideology of the notches who did call themselves national socialist. the left believes in government -- it canlements of echo the perils of past utopian movements that evolved into murderous totalitarianism but to essentially label hitler's a liberal is historically illiterate as well as deeply offensive. the problem goes beyond the way he debates the holocaust. today's democrats are not nazis

anymore than they are confederates. intelligentwas an commentary until it dropped the strawman at the end. why would you say that? guest: liberalism itself is a term that has changed. american founders were liberal. they believed in economic liberty, political liberty, liberty of thought and expression. in that sense, i'm a liberal. changediberalism has and doesn't quite mean that. ideology of the welfare state. if you read the not see platform the economic dimension of that state-controlled control of banks, state control of education and health care. it is eerily similar.

but the nazis had a racial ideology built into that. democratsaiming the share that. i'm not equating them. what i'm doing is i'm saying when you read this platform is not see as an on the right as we have learned or does it sound like it is on the left? that is the issue. host: you are were foreign -- referring to an economic platform? guest: no apolitical platform. the nazis were the largest party in germany. what did they campaign on? they lay it out. we show it on the screen in the movie. history is illuminating. when we think today of nazi is an we never think about the holocaust. we have to go back to early nazi is in. appealingople find it in the first place? it was a collectivist ideology that was a piece with

progressivism. italy,cists in recognized each other on the same side of the aisle. you were going to finish your thought about this criticism. you said it was intelligent review. nazis he said yes, the was a national socialist. the nazi platform was a socialist platform. it was not on the right. what he is touching on but doesn't say is after world war ii the progressives coming to power in academia and the media knew the inconvenient leftism of not see ideology. they didn't want it linked with them. they began to muddy the waters and move fascism from the left-wing column into the right wing column. that is what i called the big lie. host: let's get to george.

caller: good morning. you are the best moderator on c-span. host: thank you. caller: i've got to ask, i'm on twitter. i have been on twitter since 2008. 5000 followers. every time i turn around i am losing followers. i don't know what it is about shadow banding. i've got a good handle if everyone could catch on. i can't get any followers. i think it is because i am conservative. i follow dinesh all the time. among with all the other conservatives. i can't understand how i can't get the followers i want or need being a conservative. it is horrible.

is how peopleion have been treating you sense you were arrested and convicted, which was a joke. since trump has pardon you how have people traded you? are you doing well? i hope so. thank you. the pardon was fantastic. it was exhilarating. not just because i can now vote it gave me myause american dream back. it lifted the label the left hung on me. about alln argument this. when i would on cnn they were like you got favorable treatment because powerful people like ted cruz and president trump got the -- got you off. our people named obama at eric

holder got me in the first place. it took powerful people to get me off. host: what were you convicted off? guest: exceeding campaign-finance law giving money to a college friend of mine running for the senate. i did exceed the campaign finance law. i should get whatever penalty. no person in american history has ever been prosecuted let alone convicted or locked up for doing what i did. rosie o'donnell admitted she exceeded the campaign-finance law. u.s.eory there are attorneys you could file charges. this is not the case that is normally prosecuted. if you make a movie of setting the most powerful man in the world i should have expected the empire to strike back. host: the movie? guest: obama's america.

it came out in 2012. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a question for your guest. your comprehensive definition of include and contemporary example. guest: mussolini started the first fascist regime in the world. gettingibed it as ever in the state and nothing outside of the state. the federal government has control of the ofnomy and the life citizens. this is the root of fascism. he was a marxist, a lifelong socialist. it was the head of the national socialist party. apply that to contemporary situation. fascism on the left in three ways. the first, and tivo.

they wear black costumes like the blackshirts. they beat people up to don't agree with them. that is a fascist tactic. meant --ma, covered government control of banks, health-care companies, the health care sector. government control of energy and education. state run capitalism. that is up -- look it up. third and finally, the use of weapons of the government against political opponents. if you use the fbi, irs, doj against the political enemies, if you try to merger party with the statement that is what mussolini did in italy. the nazi party became the state. host: maryland, democrat. caller: i'm just curious. when you came to this country, can i ask you how did your

education get paid for? guest: it is one of the great things about this country that particularly ivy league institutions have a policy that if you are smart enough to get in they will find a way for you to have enough money for you to go. i had no funds to pay for my education. me grants, loans coach i paid back, and work-study. this is the typical way in which students who can't afford to go to college are to sometimes through merit or need get a combination of grants and loans that enable them to go. i'm thankful to dartmouth for making that possible. you are biting the hand that fed you. you are calling america a -- that while

conservatism. but they don't believe in education and grandson those things. do you realize that? guest: that is nonsense. i wrote a book called what is so great about america? i'm not anti-america in any way. privateh is a institution. that money that pay for my grants was donated by alumni. i did get a penny of federal funds. there is nothing inconsistent in supporting private philanthropy and using private philanthropy to support education. host: you are on the air. caller: thank you. you are from india. a lot of people are from india. anybody who supports this country is a fascist as far as i'm concerned. american whoive

plans on running for office here from dakota. it be interesting to see if this man will get some justice in the fact that this is still america. donald trump is one of the greatest presidents we ever had. i don't understand the way people treat this man when he has given so much to his country . he is up there with einstein. he is doing his best. , theyst time i called were talking roe v. wade. the people don't have a clue as to the fact that men also give 24/7, sperm cells who live and have one thought, one single thought, every one of them. they succeed. , what want to tell you

makes you think from you being that sperm to becoming a human being you think you got another life coming? that is the spark of life. when it becomes a human being that is the only life you have coming. host: i will leave it there. guest: i will say a word about abortion and trump. the fanaticism about the abortion debate. what i find amazing is people who think the government should fund abortion. if it were true the abortion right is in the constitution, which it isn't, but let's say it was. our basic rights do not receive government subsidy. does the president pay for me to have a newspaper? does the government buy a gun for me? no.

none of our other fundamental rights are funded. they demand this right be elevated to such a level above the other fundamental rights and the government must pay for it, the left has turned abortion into a sacrament and that is disgraceful. we did something provocative. we put trump and lincoln and morphed their heads in our movie poster. some people do a double take. i'm not saying trump is lincoln. lincoln was brooding, melancholy and that is not trump. but situations are similar. in 1860 air publican was elected president in a close race. the moment that he got in all hell broke loose. northern democrats for calling for his assassination, which happened. the southern democrats are so unwilling to abide by a lincoln presidency they broke up the country.

aroundas craziness going lincoln and there is craziness in america today. air publican president, trump, he comes in and we have been living in abnormal politics because the democratic left cannot accept the result of a lawful election. whiteump being a fascist supremacist is aimed at the media left trying to say we get to trump the result of the election. it doesn't matter what the american people receive. to get himans we use out of there are fine. host: how do you respond to people when they point to charlottesville and the president said there were bad people on both sides? card, ihis is the trump have uncovered an aspect of charlottesville not in the public debate. the whole point of charlottesville, there was a

tragedy. that won't change. somebody was run over and killed. what i am contesting is the meaning of that event. from the left point of view this was right wing white supremacy. that was the whole point for trump to condemn it. i deny that. i denied based on a close analysis of who was there and who these white supremacists are. i go through the list. jason kessler, the founder of charlottesville, and obama activists. think about this. does it make sense someone who is an obama voter and supporter is a white supremacist? you think the media would check this guy out. a charlottesville paper did. he has a long left-wing history. he said he broke up with me because i am too conservative say -- conservative.

that richard spencer. the governor declared a state of emergency when he went to speak. i interviewed him. it is riveting. i asked him a series of questions. are he believe all men created equal? no. does he believe in individual dignity? no. where do rights come from? they don't come from god. he said they come from the government. status. the government gives you rights. he said what do you think of reagan? >> terrible. he lists a bunch of democrats. just a party. he is naming people like andrew jackson. the point i'm trying to make, the white supremacists are not conservative in the modern american sense of conservative. they are unrecognizable and that is obvious. what i am doing is through history, investigative

journalism, contesting these narratives in a responsible and civil way. my objection is you have these critics, i wish they would -- i'm releasing a movie and a thousand theaters. i would be on cnn. i would be on the view debating these topics. date, as far as abc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, this movie doesn't exist. they are pretending like if they don't cover it it is not a fact in the world. host: because you are in 1000 theaters, because that is a benchmark? guest: michael moore is about to release a movie. my movie, i have made for movies. they're in the top 10 political movies of all time. side. the conservative the moment he releases a movie

there is an ocean of publicity on the politically correct side of things. i'm demanding a right to be considered and debated. i'm not saying i have a right to be on cnn. if the ideas are worth debating let's debate them. morning.ood some comments. i like your response. prisoner, andcal tommy robinson. thoughts on your the globalists. what they did with trump, with this collusion thing, it was to shut him up afterwards. they are trying to do you monetize people on twitter, facebook come a youtube. they will get the compliant left to go along with them. they already tried to plan a

coup against nixon. , what is thete contingency when they take over? where are we going to assemble in mass because they will not allow us to communicate with each other? we have miles to go before we sleep. i have never called myself a political prisoner. i speak on campus. people say what makes you think the obama administration went after you? reason i think that is because when i release the movie in the theaters, i was being regularly attacked on barack obama.com. i'm reasonable in thinking somebody up there was upset by my film. when the fbi developed a file on , he is a right wing conservative. that should not be in my file.

people who violate the law should be treated the same. their politics are irrelevant. they alert the justice department this is a guy you may want to go after. that is the thing that troubles me. when justice is manipulated so the scales are tipped. who told you this was in your file? guest: once republicans got control of congress, a congressional committee asked for the files. the usual nonsense, confidential sources, we can't give you the files. they gave them the redacted file and the congressman called me and said number one your case is a $20,000 violation. the fbi assigned when hundred thousand dollars to investigate your case. all of this is going on behind closed doors. thing. the same the fbi trying to tip the scales.

the fai has had a history but taping martinas -- martin luther king he wouldn't do that. sanderson in florida. host: what happened next? guest: the congressional committee was aware something is fishy. here is another indication. as part of my sentence, he sentences me to psychiatric examination. a government supported psychologist. she looked at my case and told hour, you do not need stickier trick -- psychiatric consultation. she said this man does it need psychiatric education.

the government said i'm forcing you to do this anyway. she said i'm not doing this anywhere -- anymore. this is the craziness i've been living through. my politics have become more fears. i lived in idealistic america. they believe this. as if it was a big debate. revenge also in vn play a role. that influences the way i see the world. host: franklin, north carolina. caller: good morning. i have been listening to you for a long time. i'm 43. i went to western carolina university in my mid-30's and that is where i started learning about stuff. i didn't know a lot of definitions of things.

i appreciate your research. i think you are wonderful. we need more people like you. let me catch my breath. this is the highlight of my day. deleted it talked about where your money came from, with the education, i'm a veteran. i think it is wonderful our country paid for your education. i went to school with so many young people that were squandering it and wasting it. i don't know. it is a shame. it is a hard thing to try and fix. the only thing i can bring it .ack to is, i'm a mom now i have to teach my kids simple crapto understand this

going on. i learned the political scale in college and i think the political scale should be taught in high school. who.y knows who is there is a left and a right. there is a center. why? mentionedat is under in everything that we do. i love what you do. i love your movies. i love you so much. you are awesome. have a great life. i'm behind you. guest: this is the kind of person i make movies for. i used to inhabit a more rarefied intellectual climate. some people say it is too bad he left the intellectual reservation and went populace. thereblem was essentially is a cocoon. i was riding to persuade well-meaning guys on the left scratching their head in 1983.

at some point i realized i don't mind talking to that group but there is a vast group of people who want to learn. they want to know about the american founding and the civil war. i would like to bring what i , thisn my experience why i experience, this is made the shift. i now will convert them into movies because a movie appeals not just to the head but to the heart. it engages all the senses. it reaches an audience. >> c-span has this guy on a lot. this is the second time i've seen him in three months. you mentioned michael moore. we love michael moore in flint.

he tells the truth. one of the greatest. an obama supporter. one thing i can say about obama, when he was president he represented black, white, everybody, a melting pot. not just one race. i'm a taxpayer and offended my money is going for somebody that don't like me being in this , my parents, my ancestors who were slaves here area i don't like the fact that the conservatives don't like is being here. him respond we have why do you believe that? caller: believe what? host: that the president doesn't want you here? caller: out of all of the judges he has picked, none are black. he put all of these federal judges. i'm a taxpayer.

i work two jobs. i'm not being represented by nobody that looks like me and arizona, if he was in sheriff powell would have had him arrested because he favors south americans. trump,ple who support you would have been arrested in jail before they knew who you were. guest: i think this is an unfortunate distortion. trump is consistently drawn is the legal and illegal immigrant. if all the illegals were white and illegals were nonwhite a suspicion of racism would legitimately creep in. the vast majority of people who are legal immigrants are nonwhite. they come from asia, africa, south america. that trump is drawing is not a racial line at all. it is a line between citizens

part of a social compact and other people coming here unlawfully. illegal immigrants are offending not just native warned citizens but legal immigrants like me. a long, complicated process to go through the line. a lot of indians want to come to america but they can't cross the river. they have to stand in line. illegal immigrant is cutting the line. it amazing the democratic party has become an advocate for illegal immigration. this is an insult. trump said one of the low points has been the issue of separating children at the border. she went on to say she understands this is an issue of legality as well. do you think it was a mistake to separate the children? guest: it is a human tragedy, for sure.

it is important to realize how did it occur? the problem is when you have a system like ours, a border that is porous, he gives people the idea, if i come across the border with my kids, they are going to have a life in america. i understand the motive. if you get caught, families get separated. i saw that myself when the obama administration file charges. they say you have to plead guilty. i said i'm not going to plead guilty. they say we will put charges on you, read descriptions of the same offense. you will face five years in federal prison. .o contact with your daughter they separate families all the time in this country using the weapons of the judicial system. so i totally understand the scope of the tragedy. i'm glad it is being addressed.

ultimately what is needed is the fixing of the laws. a headline with your name in it. what were you saying here? >> this was on a red carpet. someone asked me can the democrats beat trump. i said it is going to be top. will it be the ideal candidate to challenge trump? it would be a a centrist immigrant who is temperamentally the opposite of trump, somebody serene, measured, who doesn't punch back when they get punch. this way the american people are choosing psychologically between the two candidates. host: that person could win? guest: would pose the strongest challenge to draw. i don't see such a person in the race now or on the landscape. host: tony in denver. caller: good morning. you, ient is directed at

believe you are the best moderator on c-span. and he issten to him interesting and articulate and well researched, i would give anything to have you moderate the show and put a historian like john and me gem and let them debate through these issues. he is raising great points but he does need countered by a historian that can put these things in perspective. much --say this is very very much like the 1930's. germany, what was happening in the u.s., what was happening in germany at the same time. i'm not saying we going to concentration camps.

just talk about what was happening that allowed hitler's to rise. we have that same thing going on in our country today. respond to that. that is something we have heard. guest: i want to affirm that. nothing would make me happier than to share the stage with a prominent historian and discuss these issues. my work has been endorsed by prominent historians. a james gregor, a longtime consideredstorian the leading living authority on fascism. he said not only is this needed, but you talk me things i did not know. in my movies i interview robert paxton. he disagreed on certain things that i treat him respectfully.

this is what i do. michael moore would not dream of having me in his movie or having any intelligent conservative. his idea is to ambush charlton heston. i would be polite. i have a profession of people, if you watch that film there were conservatives who walked out because they thought this is a left wing movie. i was laying out a thesis i would challenge but my fairness i laid it out would alienate some on the right. there are people who don't want to have this debate. i'm glad that you do and i would like to be part of it. plantation politics and the making of the democratic party. thank you. we will take a break. next, white women who would've for president trump and the

effort by democrats to get them back into the fold. >> a lot of people feel i dealt might kid to read stories that are sad or disturbing. so that is like not an illegitimate thing to say. i want to choose as a parent when my kid understands stuff that might bring them grief. point, theyertain are 14 years old. when are you going to introduce them to the editor that not everything is perfect? all of those factors swirled together to create the dumpster booksf mass censorship of by marginalized people. caller: cory doctorow will be

our guest live sunday discussing his latest book, walk away. it includes down and out in the magic kingdom, little brother. sunday, live from 3:00 eastern on book tv. night, richard baker, donald richie and race bond. >> the years leading up to the memberar, when a house caned a senator because he disagreed with what he said.

there are a lot of senators that cheered on that house member. about the musical shooting of alexander hamilton shot by the vice president of the united states. we have had terrible put nickel times. there was one before the civil war, 80 members rolling around on the floor fighting one another. they pulledembers, his wig off during the fight. someone yelled, he scalped him. stopwas enough brevity to the fight. >> congressional historians sunday night. at our table at our table, remind us

what is democracy alliance? guest: we are an alliance of progressive donors so we can have a more just and equitable nation. host: who are the donors? guest: individual and institutional donors per people of wealth who want to create a more equal and just society, and labor unions. host: what are the big donors? members that want to be public are some of our board members listed on a website. host: you go to the website and people can find it there. , contributed to them, can white women help build a progressive future? let's take a look at the numbers. 2016 female vote.

when you break down the female vote, 94% voted for hillary clinton. -- 24% of black woman voted for hillary clinton. voted forte women donald trump. why is that statistic matter? is an interesting way of analyzing what is driving what we have typically referred to as the gender gap in electoral politics. we have a race gap in electoral politics of the norma's margins and a gender gap of margins. what is driving the gender gap, women of color vote overwhelmingly democratic. driving social change in our country. what i am interested in, can comparing those statistics of how white women voted in 2016 but for the better part of the last several decades, this is a trend that is consistent, what i

wanted to see is with his -- with this way that activism, is this changing? there is some data from the special election in alabama that suggests it might be. that is what is the interesting question to me. are we on the brink of a more fundamental political realignment? what is the trend -- host: what is the trend? guest: we are seeing and have seen these special elections, a shift in how white women voters have voted. back and saystep the reason white women voters are interesting to examine is because they are the largest voting block in this country. theof women voters, 39% of total electorate.

a shift of a few points and how white women vote can be determinative for election outcomes. that is why it is important and relevant. what we saw in alabama in virginia was a swinging. .n alabama, a 13 point swing in virginia, a three point swing. both which had an impact on those elections. obviously there were special factors in the lms senate race. the allegations of sexual misconduct by roy moore played a role in that. what i'm interested in seeing as how this plays out more generally into the midterm elections this fall. vote why did white women for president trump in those numbers? guest: the other thing important to look at, white women are not monolithic. the way they vote, their voting

pattern seems to be highly correlated with three factors. education level, marital status, and religious preference. subou print down those factors, different groups of white women you see different patterns. the gap between college educated and noncollege educated white women, there was a 20 point discrepancy with college educated white women voting for secretary clinton. within those categories you see a 30 point split between evangelical white women and not evangelical white women. about a 10 point split or divide on marital status with unmarried white women voting more democratic than married white women. taken july 19 through the 22nd, the job

approval among women, 30% approved. 60% disapproved. what do those numbers tell you? guest: they reaffirm what we have seen with this wave of activism that has been present ever since the election with the women's march is, that went into unprecedented levels of congressional advocacy around issues like the affordable care act. now a wave of women running for office this cycle. 36,000 women had reach out to them and express interest in running for office. 40 times more than they saw in the last cycle. women are not standing on the sidelines. i think we are seeing a president whose policies and personal behavior is rather unpopular with women. we are seeing nominations of

brett kavanaugh to the supreme safe, saying the right to and legal abortion be eliminated in this country. 20 states could criminalize abortion if he is confirmed. the stakes for women are high and it is fueling the activism and reassessments of voting interests. are dividing the line this way. women who voted for president trump in 2016. women who voted for hillary clinton, we dial in. get to yourwe will calls here in just a minute. what is the plan from democracy alliance and others to attract female white voters to vote for the democratic candidates? guest: we are seeing interesting issues coming from many candidates, including the weight

of women candidates this cycle. i think they are leaning in on many issues that are of importance to women. health care issues, economic security issues, issues of paid leave and the supports for families with young children, education. they are of incredible importance to women. it is not surprising we are seeing women candidates in particular put those front and center. abby respond to this ad by whose running for a seat in iowa's first congressional republican.inst the a series of ads to show our are as because they different way that all of them are running. let's take a look at this one.

[video clip] >> you want to know what tough is? bring the sweat out of your belt. for your third shift. stretching it further than you thought it could go. tough is my dad on a 16 hour shift. top is my mom holding got a job and holding it together back home. rushing intondpa burning buildings to save lives. tough is cows need feeding it for the morning. bigh is small tile in, heart. tough is eastern iowa. tough is who we are. wouldaid the state house be too tough for young ladies. then they said a girl paying off

her student loans was tough enough to beat a millionaire for congress. i say watch me. host: she is not running on progressive ideas. she is not talking about progressive ideas. guest: i think she is talking about the economic constraints of the people in her district. those are progressive ideas. host: but not how she would solve them with progressive. guest: what she is doing is showing she understands the nature of her district and the ofnomic issues and struggles her friends and family members. she is showing she is a fresh voice to address those. i think it is a brilliant ad. the other thing that is interesting about her ad, she is not shying away from the fact

she is a young woman. she is presenting herself in a very authentic way. she is from that community, she understands the issues that are most resident in that community, she is poised to address them. and she's going to bring fresh perspectives into her role in office. host: is that the advice, be the you are? guest: that is one of the revelations this cycle and i hope it continues in the future. for so long we had campaign consultants that would give women and people of color in particular advice saying try to make yourself look like this. so often the candidate notion that we had was older middle-aged white male. people are running and feeling more empowered to run as their full selves. and show who they are.

authenticity is being both appreciated and rewarded five voters. host: we will go to an in michigan. voted for president trump. caller: thank you. for the woman that voted for hillary, 63%, i don't understand why they want to continue the corruption factor that is in the politics. if i would have done a third of what that woman has done i would be in jail. i don't understand what is so attractive about having someone like that in the political system. host: what about hillary clinton as a candidate? did women particular not vote for donald trump, but voted

against hillary clinton? there was some of that. people cast a ballot enthusiastically in favor of their preferred candidate. some in opposition to the other. and is corruption andis corrupt? is. i think it i think the message donald trump had on the campaign trail was resident for many. thought progressives a word respond to our his policies are not in line with that rhetoric. draining the swap and cleaning up government corruption, that is resident to many americans of having a fresh to manydutch resident americans. i think having a fresh crop of candidates -- that is to the

advantage of all americans. host: where are you looking to put your donors' money? is to support organizations building a more equitable and just nation, like whitenings addressing widening economic inequality in this country. taking action on behalf of issues most resonant in their lives. some of this is done through the political process. a lot of this is done through just advocacy. we support many of those organizations doing that support. maryland, you voted for hillary clinton. you are on the air. caller: good morning. i was an independent.

i have been an independent since i was able to vote 18 years ago. affiliation party to republican because there are far right people on the republican side i am trying to ofe out of -- keep out office. we have racists, pedophiles running for congress. reason i am republican. i changed to republican. the reason that i voted for clinton, hillary clinton was because i could see there was a clear difference between clinton and bump. when they talk about the lesser clear evils there was a lesser of two evils. bigton was more inclusive, tent for everyone. all minorities, all groups, , i could and trump was

see it. he was very clear what he was doing, trying to divide the country. gaining more might for the democratic party, my advice to you -- if you need to focus on keeping the african-american who are a very loyal the democratic party. there are a lot of issues, including criminal justice reform, that need to be addressed that still have not been addressed and worked on. host: ok. guest: i appreciate the call in the comments. i could not agree more. i think candidates like amy abrams working to expand the base of the democratic party -- there are so many, especially in communities of color, who have not gone to the polls, erotic voters.

what she has embraced actualizing in georgia is finding ways to encourage every voter to participate. i absolutely agree. nothing will change the fact in the near-term future at communities of color, in particular women of color, will remain the face of the democratic party. we have to first put communities of color at the forefront. the question is whether we can avest in ways that are frosting on the top of the cake, so to speak, whether there will be enough of a swing to have a progressive majority in this country. the candidateave who defeated joe crowley. take a look at the ad she ran. [video clip] women like me are not

supposed to vote for office. i was not born to a wealthy family. i was born in a place where your zip code determines your destiny. my name is alexandria a casio cortez. --ocasio- i'm organizer. i have worked with expectant mothers. i have tables. intogoing in -- and going politics was not part of the plant. but after 20 years of the same we have to ask -- who has new york been changing for? host: julie kohler? guest: again, i think it is a fantastic ad. it was very resonant with the voters in her district. even though it is very different than the previous ad, many of the qualities are similar. she shows her whole self, how

and line she is with members of the district and reflects that she understands the issues they are grappling with. they are very, very similar. host: in touching on the economic concerns of district, are you concerned that the economy is doing well? the labor numbers in july, 157,000 jobs added. to unemployment rate fell 3.9%. how can democrats say the economy is not going well? we can have overall good economic numbers, but unless that well the economy -- that wealthy economy is creating is shared equitably and everyone is reaping the benefits of a strong economy, we have a problem. what we have seen over the last are moons is stagnant wages americans. even though we have a good overall economic picture that looks positive in some aspects,

it is not helping people's pocketbooks and that is what we need to be addressing. host: michigan, good morning. caller: good morning,greta. kohler.ning, ms. used to have expression. women can run faster with their skirt up then men with pants men with pants down. [laughter] i heard a billion dollars was being invested in these candidates. they talk tough. they get amendment to win it. this don't go anywhere until their second, third, or fourth time. i would rather live like milani of the hillary clinton. i like her lifestyle. i wish i had it. i think donald trump treats his

wife pretty good. you can still say no, and all the glitz in the ad is not covering up for the lack of experience they have. in today's world, you sure need it. that is all i have to say. host: we take that point. thanks for the call. guest: when you come into washington, it takes a while to move up in seniority and all that, but i really think, 19 92, we called that the year of the woman, right? we saw an incredible gain in women's representation, all over the country. women andelect enough have another wave, not just an 2018, but for many cycles to come, i think we can create change. officialsg elected that more reputation only -- y represent the

population at large, it matters. it really does make a difference. in silver springs. voted president trump. you are on the air. in silver springs. caller: hi. i voted president trump his agenda. was the economy, national security and i proudly campaign for him. in july of 2015, i listened to all 17 candidates, the mcgrath and republicans because that's how i am. i work in new york. -- democrats and republicans because that is how i am. i worked in new york. i listened to every single one of them. i am an independent, have always been an independent since the 1970's.

i come from a family of black republicans, ok? that always -- but always independent. , but i didrepublican not think about it. i voted on the issues. the reason i voted for trump is -- while he was campaigning, i will never forget, and this is when i got on the trump train -- when he was going to chicago and from desk the outrage i think it was the university of chicago, i'm not sure. notoutrage there, he could even land his plane. he had to turn it back. i watched inside where they had the rallies, and people taking tryingcrophones and to prevent people from speaking. i watched it all. he never did show up. that was the day -- i believe it was in september -- i jumped on

the trump train. i jumped on because why can't he speak with all the other ones i am listening to? i had not decided yet. i listened like everybody else. but i jumped on. and then i started focusing on his agenda and i stayed on his agenda and listened to what other people said. so, if you want to know why i voted for trump, that is why i jumped on the trump train, and that is why i am still on it. i am still on it. thing i wanted to say, that incident that happened at i happened tol, come down there that day -- , i have to leave it there. we have other people waiting. we will take your previous point. says: what the caller resonates with president trump's

base. he remains very, very popular. but there is the rest of the electorate. we see he is overwhelmingly with other populations beyond his space. host: democrats voted for him as well. there are some democrats that voted for him, but he was really elected because of the surge in republican turnout, rather than democrats that switch party lines to vote president trump. host: seattle. caller: hello, julie, hello,, greta.-- -- hello, greta. you are pushing for the democracy alliance? guest: yes. caller: people need to

understand, the president is not the main goal who to lacked. we need to push senators, governors, state representatives. there is so much gentrification going on. the america first thing, for me, i am a big history buff. me.s all right with you see what i am saying? people wouldma, look at him, and they would think the commonality is he is more middle-class and people can relate. averagee is the caucasian person. people can just relate to him. he made it. an african-american be like, obama made it.

but until that happens where our young people -- myself, i am 30 years old -- get back to the notion the president is just a mascot, you see what i am saying? people, theress people that hold the keys and the buttons that get pushed -- that all right, let's take point. guest: that is a great point. are we have seen, not only people motivated in opposition to president trump but they are taking a fresh look at politics altogether and they're really seeing how important all of down thees are up and ballot. and the well of engagement we have seen not only around the provincial election leading up to 2020, but in congressional races and state legislative races, local elections, that is an encouraging sign. i think what the caller is and the activism we

have seen in the political engagement, those are positive for democracy. host: laura, voted for president. you are on the air. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: my point is, i believe the white woman you see who vote democrat, first of all, reminds me of the stepford wife. noy are all uniform and have authenticity. the only thing they are voting for is the right to commit abortion, and that's primarily the only reason they will vote for a democrat, because they think it is a right to kill a baby. i resent that. i resent the fact that they are saying women who voted for trump are uneducated. i am educated. i am christian. i'm another reason i voted for trump. i really think you are making it

are clear the reason women voting for democrats is so they can continue to have abortions. host: let's get a response. guest: i think it is hard to boil down why people vote for one party or the other to one single issue. there are some people who are highly motivated by abortion on both sides of the aisle. some people who are largely casting republican ballots because they oppose abortion. i do believe that reproductive choice is an issue for many progressives -- progressive leaders. yes, absolutely. i think usually, as with most things, it is the interplay of many issues that really motivate people. host: rachel ann legrand, oregon. hi, rachel. voted for hillary clinton. caller: yes, i did.

the reason i did was not necessarily in regard to policies to read i just thought it would be interesting to see a strong woman in such a high leadership role position. it a good forward movement for women in itself. inare also underrepresented differentnd professions, so i just wanted to see what would happen. it has been a downer to see trump be elected because i kind of wanted to see the stigma in regard to women being broken. then, if you think about women's suffrage and how much we have had to push for the simplest of rights, it would have been a nice progressive steps on our need. it is what it is, and there's

always the future and there's always -- i was watching this commercial with regard to the other senators and women running theirment positions using tough rule -- just their strength, their talents, you know, and the talents of their community and their families. it was just amazing to watch. because i live in a parochial immunity. i have seen those kinds of people day in and day out every single day. -- because i live in a rural community. with regards to abortion, i was at the store. canways ask a woman if i touch her belly first, because for some reason, if we see a woman pregnant, we think, ok, we can touch, we can do what we want. ultimately, it is her body. you would not want a stranger to come up to your belly and start rubbing it. you ask. it is their choice. host: rachel is talking about the ads that we showed of other

were saying,nd you being true to themselves, authentic message. i want to show another one and we will talk about it on the other side. this video went viral, 5 million views, mj hager in texas, running against republican john carter. [video clip] >> i managed to get one of a handful of spots for flight school and i spent a year training to fly. fire inater over california. eventually i served three tours in afghanistan. and in the crash. two army helicopters rescued us in the wreckage. we returned fire on the taliban while we flew to safety. at got me a purple heart and i was the second woman to be awarded the distinguished flying cross with valor. after that, the door closed.

injured and unable to fly, i was barred from my next rich was because i was a woman. i came home. i worked in health care and business. wait -- part because i was a woman? that's ridiculous. so, i went to the pentagon. i went to lobby congress. the door was slammed in my face. i heard things like, my boss agrees with you, but you are not in a position to do things for him. you are not one of our donors. eventually -- >> we are eliminating direct combat infusion roles for women. >> we won.\ and that -- we won. and that led to women being able to compete for ground combat jobs. on who shes running is. they are not running against president trump and republicans. why not? smart i think it is a

move. progressive and democratic candidates need to display what we stand for. while we should appropriately express outrage when outrageous really are taken, to inspire voters, we have to say what we are going to do proactively. what is our agenda? are uniquetes, what personal qualifications she has to have a better? i think that ad really speaks to that and has a compelling personal relative. host: susan bro massachusetts, voted president trump. hi, susan. you have to turn it on your tv. just listen and talk to the telephone. i am going to try to put you on hold and we will move on to karen in weatherford, texas, also voted for president trump -- i messed up the phones.

maybe someone can straighten them out for me? susan, are you there in massachusetts? all right. i have to drop that. hi, karen in texas. caller: hi. -- can you hear me? host: yes. you're on the air. i voted president trump on the issues. i also did not trust hillary. had a government clearance and if i had done what she had done -- to have a special computer that locked down to do what she did, i would be in the federal pen right now. i don't trust her, and there is the abortion thing. most people think it is ok to have a right. if you have been raised -- raped

or diseased or something, yes, i understand abortion. but there are a lot of drug addict's a there. i happen to know of one. she is a relative. she used abortion as birth control and used her money for drugs. or 12 onad 10 abortions. you are killing babies. hillary was all for killing nine-month olds. a baby fully grown. would you kill it after it was born? ok, kerry voted president trump on that issue. -- karen devoted president trump on that issue. our democrats who do not believe in abortion welcome in the democratic party? isst: what you're seeing now there is incredible activism from women and especially women the democratic party is trying to reflect the fact that this is who fuels

electoral victories. issues ofttention to great importance to women and reproductive issues -- host: but what if they say i do not think abortion is right? guest there are many democrats who have said that personally oppose abortion but roe v. wade is the law of the land. i wanted to vote so hard for hillary. i would have loved to have the first woman president. and i hear all of this russian collusion and interference with the election. she did it herself when she did that baskets all deplorables baskets all

deplorables speech. i knew she was not going to represent me. as far as the reproductive issue tos, the woman's right choose should be the woman's right to choose birth control. abortion should not be birth control. there are so many things to prevent pregnancy. once you have a baby inside you, that is a baby, and i just cannot support it. host: ok. luis in fredericksburg, virginia . voted for trump. louise? caller: yes. i was touched by that ad talking about how tough other people are. but she was elected into the state legislature. what did she do in the state legislature? what were some of her issues that she pushed for? i want to know what does she

stand for? we all stand for toughness. we all stand good people working hard. we understand. we are from big families. we know this. we live in communities. we know these people. but is she really -- what is she really for? we were just showing you a snippet of one ad. there could be other ads that talk about her record, debate. there are other things happening in that district in iowa. we were just showing you a little flavor of a she is running. guest: i would say the same thing. ad will give a representation of what any candidate stands for. she was introducing herself to the community and voters. warfield, virginia, voted for hillary clinton. good morning. yes, i lived in -- for

50 years. president trump, when he came down those stairs and said what a said, well, anyway, is manipulator. i remember the central park five. he was a thug. the only thing different the tween him and any other thought is he is a rich thug. word p related them. he will appeal a did -- he manipulated people. his agenda has always been to divide people. i want to take your call and other calls and ask julie itler -- given what you have

from these women who voted for either president trump for hillary clinton, what do you think would bring more women to vote for democratic candidates? what issues need to be talked about after listening to these calls? is we one of the things know this is a very polarizing president and administration. those who were strongly opposed strongly formp and him going to this election, that increased. we are not likely to see a lot of shifting one way or the other. what we are seeing is donald trump's policies and his behavior is alienating too many other women voters who may have not been strongly in the camp -- to many other women voters who may have not been strongly in the camp one way or the other.

what is interesting is how many have been politicized, largely round issues. not around an individual, but protection from health care. wanting to ensure that they do not lose their health care because of a pre-existing condition. reproductive choice. all of these issues were the administration's actions are threatening to that. whether or not that will prompt a larger shift in how they assess their voting interests, that will be interesting going into november. host: where will you be watching for that shift to happen? guest: the thing about this wave of candidates is it was everywhere. obviously, candidates were there are gubernatorial elections, key senate races, those are interesting bellwethers, but we also need to look at what happens in state legislatures around the country. conservatives dominate overwhelmingly in state legislatures, and if we start to see those shift that, then we could see this is a much broader realignment.

is really what is the direction of the country more broadly? , we: julie kohler appreciate the conversation with you. contributor to "the nation." you can enter thoughts if you go to thenation.com. democracy alliance. thank you for being here. we come back, we will open the phone lines up and discuss any hot topics or issues in the news. ♪ >> this sunday on "oral we continue our series on women in congress with a congresswoman pat schroeder. got elected,st tha i thought, this is really wonderful.

i thought, how long will it be before the house is female? they said, probably 300 years. [laughter] it has been very incremental. very incremental. >> and we will hear from sue johnson, lynn woolsey. sunday oral histories" at 10 a.m. eastern on american history tv on c-span3. nominated to the supreme court by president ronald reagan in 1987, justice anthony kennedy is retiring after 30 years on the bench. monday, we take a look at his legacy in the supreme court and his impact on the nation with a a formererk and

assistant to the attorney general, who argued 29 cases before justice kennedy and the court. watch "the legacy of supreme court justice anthony kennedy" monday night at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span.org, or listen on the free c-span radio app. "washington journal" continues. host: we are back open phones. we are here to get your thoughts. (202) 748-8001 four republicans, (202) 748-8000 four democrats, and (202) 748-8002 four independents.

we'll get to the top stories. we have this from "politico," new cherubs ing response to president trump's -- newion on beijing cherubs in response to president trump's escalation on beijing. they said they would be implemented subject to u.s. action. stories parismic this morning. david in baltimore. david, we are an open phones. what is on your mind this morning? yes, i was republican. i change my party affiliation to democrat solely because of donald trump through donald trump is a pathological, narcissistic liar, always has been harriet -- always has been. his slogan make america great again is laughable.

why won't he release his tax returns and continue to lie about it? his administration is poisoning our democracy. he is surrounded by sycophants, enablers, and liars and they are treasonous. why will he acknowledge that russia interfered and continues to interfere with our electoral system? why does he continue to demonize the media, especially those that question his continual lies that are so easy to verify with a simple google search? i do not understand how people continue to support this guy. host: when you say you lies, where you talking about? caller: what am i talking about? do a simple search on politif act. the guy rise continuously. you do at the lies the come out of his mouth compared to any other elected official, it is awfully charts. host: ok. brenda, west virginia, republican. it is your turn. caller: hello, good morning. host: good morning. to say i amlled

republican. i have always been republican. i have a moderate republican and i voted for hillary clinton because i just could not vote for donald trump. if someone else had been running on the republican side that was more moderate, probably would have voted for them. i am against abortion, so it was a hard decision for me to make , butte for ms. clinton that's who i voted for. i would like more moderate republicans to run. host: what was one issue or what were the issues that made you say i can't vote for president trump, i'm going to vote for hillary clinton? caller: because i think he does not tell the truth. he just does not tell the truth. decision. a hard in the primaries, i did vote for kasich of ohio, and i had wished someone else had gotten the

republican nomination besides donald trump. but when he did get it, i was just born and i could not vote for him. host: ok. joe in connecticut, republican. hi, joe. caller: hi. .hanks the lady you just had on, she embarrassed when you asked who finances are thing, the democrat alliance. i looked it up. george soros' son and tom stier, the environmentalist and out of his money building coal mines in china and indonesia. brian lam, i think he has gone off track. c-span is supposed to be just in -- just think congress. the senate, all of the meetings, that is plenty of content. having these political shows -- no offense to what you all do --

but bringing these political activist on one at a time, and he should stick to just doing congress. i do notactivist like hell brian segregates our phone lines. now it's just women. not like hell brian segregates our phone lines. you should not segregate us. just have one phone line. if you were going to do collins, call-in review see what is going on in congress. i don't know. maybe that is why the politicians let him put the cameras in the house in the senate. they said, ok, you can do it -- host: ok, joe, i will stop you there. through what you said. let's start with the cameras. do not have cameras in the house and the senate. we take the video feed.

we do not control them. ofld you fill our mission covering the house and the senate gavel-to-gavel. live.hey are in, we go we do the show morning, the house is not in. this show has been on since the early 1990's, this call-in show, and it is a way to hear from the rest of the country. what we did as part of our mission was, we wanted to cover how government works to people outside washington can see how government works, no filter. the reverse of that is to have washington hear from all of you. so, that is what we try to do on this program and other programs where we have viewers:. we cover hearings, -- where we have viewers call in. and thinkearings tanks and other things. when the house and senate is

out, we are covering events that are happening in washington and around the country. to let us hear different perspectives -- just not the members of congress, their perspectives, but thinking people or experts from the government or journalists, etc. a wideto give you variety of viewpoints and opinions on all different topics. go to our website, c-span.org, two checkout. let's go to justine, charlotte, north carolina, democrat. hi, justine. hi, i have voted independent, democratic. i have never voted republican. havee from a family -- i homeschooled my children. been on food stamps. i went to college. my background is those different

areas. i wanted to say first of all that coming from the black -- and i also teach at the committee college as well as in the book school system as a substitute -- i have been told that my vote does not count. if we vote, they will not pay attention to us anyway. i have heard that from old people and young people. that is something to come to go out and vote, especially on the local level. also, i wonder why they would a divisiveion to be issue. there are a lot of issues out there that people feel passionately about. i don't feel like one would be the one that we allowed to direct our vote. most politicians have something in their closet. when people say they do not

trust hillary and she lies and so forth, i can't think of arehing particular people talking about. i grew up in new york city and i remember the 1980's. i am not saying she has not done stuff. what i am saying is, most people have -- but i grew up in new york city in the 1980's and i remember trump. i like to do research. if i cannot be there in person and do primary research, then i will go secondary. i will try to get fax them secondary -- i will try to get from secondary. being a land developer you have to get into bed with a lot of nasty people in new york historically and chicago. he has been involved with so much litigation. he has historically had negative views about women and minorities. i do not understand how people can overcome the fact that he

has situational ethics. i think we need to vote logically and not emotionally. host: i want to get in some other views as well. let's go to oregon, independent. caller: good morning. host: good morning. so muchthis is off-topic, but it is open lines i want to talk about maps televisionp on all stations. i do not think there's enough graphics and maps. they show a map for a split second. i'm pretty good at my geography, but to show a map and not show the surrounding country where , i think a lot of people maybe do not watch those.

let's see. i have to look it up on my facebook to see where it is and it should have been shown. segment, theyhat want to flip it to the moderator . i'm talking about everybody. her point.e urge let's go to lisa. what is on your mind? -- ok, we heard your point. i really think the democratic party needs to move forward to the middle. i am pro-woman, but i believe we need a white man candidate this time, and i think we need to ignore the ones from donald trump and focus on the issues, which would be -- i am not against medicare. i am on medicare. i think it's a pretty good

program. you do pay into it. it's not free. i also believe in strong union jobs. they help keep wages up. i come from a town in kentucky that is the strongest union in the nation. we do quite well here. we need to focus on not going to war. i support our military. i do not want to send our troops into war. we need to get back to core issues, and i think we will do much better, but as far as not wantg ice -- i do to apologize. i wanted to get back to its true mission it originally had before donald trump came along. a white male candidate? why do you think that? caller: we try to woman. it did not work. it was a bad candidate. i did not vote for hillary. -- i voted for bernie. he is an honest guy and i like that.

i think a lot of white republican people will not vote for a black person, unfortunately, and i really believe this time around we are to have to find a white moderate guy. renne -- renee in gaithersburg, virginia. caller: the person before me spoke about race and gender. and she talked about how she voted for hillary just because she is a woman and it's that kind of thinking that drives me nuts. people who vote based on race and gender and other things as opposed to what that person can do for the country, and yes, i am a registered republican now, but i have not always been. i voted for obama because i thought he could do something for our country, could do great

things. but then i saw he was not doing great things, and i was disappointed in the results i was saying, so i switched over to republican. i have always been more of an independent, but you can't vote in the primaries if you are eitherdent, so i choose democrat or republican, so i switched over to republican for obama's second term and ended up voting permit mitt romney just because i could not find a better candidate. i guess that is my comment. -- invoke on what they can do for the country and not based on race or gender or anything else -- don't vote on -- link on what they can do for the country and not based on race or gender or anything else. ok, this week, the c-span cities tour travels to las cruces, new mexico to feature

the city's history and literary life. here the mayor talks about the city's proximity to the mexico border. >> -- [video clip] >> las cruces is 45 miles from the mexico border. a lot of growth probably came from mexico. like to let our friends in washington know that the city and the area is very well protected, i like a lot of things that you hear, the water in this area is safe. crimee an extremely low rate. our neighbor el paso is considered one of the safest cities in the united states and that is five minutes from the border right there. one thing i would like to get out to our friends throughout cruces,ed states -- las

a paso, it is a great area, great region. we have access to 2.5 million of 50 within a radius miles. a lot of great culture. a lot of great food. a lot of great people. host: be sure to tune into american history tv. c-span.org/citiestour. bob from new york, a republican, is next. hi, bob. we lost bob. we will go to dave in michigan. in independent -- an independent. caller: hi. this controversy with every state being different with our

policies and our wage growth and so forth -- my take is -- why full-timee a united, workers union that is developed , you canthe committee all sit-down -- when the state does well, everybody does well. they give them the full benefits be so on, and it has to party to whatever they can afford out of their paychecks, obviously, but i think it would bring everybody up on an even scale from each individual state, state-by-state. i think that would be fair. eugene, democrat. what is on your mind? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i am calling because

i've been excited 76-year-old, and i'm excited because tomorrow , august 4, barack obama will celebrate another birthday. and i want to say i am the -- and i didook not know i would be talking about this, but i am so excited. those people who want to know more about this book, just post" a "washington column -- teaching vocabulary of hope. , "the audacity of i was teaching only to discover that those youngsters could not pronounced the words

in "the audacity of hope" or the "i have a dream" speech. we have words going across the word search on barack obama. have words we crossing across barack obama, but also on lebron james. right, david in bathroom his, new york. republican. david, in new york, republican. caller: good morning. as an independent -- i feel grateful. nevertheless, i would really like mr. trump and his cabinet and substantially

transform the nation. we continue to be actively engaged in and waging wars or proxies in yemen, libya, afghanistan, and perhaps it ron -- iran. all of that is ill-conceived and it would be tantamount to the of equality and fairness and justice this country is anchored on and we would certainly hope that he would really avoid such excessive and costly wars, not with other nations, but for the middle-class taxpayers who really have to carry the burden in terms of loss of lives and capital. david, headline for -- a- "washington times" dental time remains may take years. these are the remains of u.s. soldiers from the korean war that were sent to the united states. vice president mike pence met

them in hawaii on sunday. the work of identifying the soldiers and marines using dna andbases, medical records, documents could take years. it's not a linear process, mr. said. it could be done in a week or five years. each box came with a document in korea in explaining its contents. agency officials are translated in the hopes of gleaning additional information. julia, good morning to you. greta. good morning, thank you for "washington journal." for several years, i believe is more congressmen and women would listen to hereington journal" and

the cross-section of opinions and limits, etc. about -- and laments about the state of the usa, they would understand where country islington. i believe that they should introduce a bill that mandates that congressmen and women should listen to the folks that for men, so they can actually hear the people, as opposed to hiring professional pollsters who often get it wrong. there's a wonderful article this past week that stated many of the professional polls taken -- the questions are often very skewed. like on immigration, they will ask, are you for babies being ripped out of the arms of mothers? what they do not a is are you -- whatgal immigration they do not say is are you for illegal immigration or legal immigration? be professional pollsters are very skewed in that regard. i think some brave congressmen

or woman should introduce a bill . i highly doubt that would happen. host: i know many of them watch. there tv's in their offices are tuned into c-span because they are often watching the floor, their staff and them, from their office, and when they get in in the morning, it is tuned to c-span. they do watch. caller: one more quick point -- i think the pundits opera see, the liberal media, they are the ones who should perhaps tune in. rump woodwindd j. t -- up to election night that were saying a less than 2% chance of winning. no, he was waning. kellyanne conway, who you have had on the program several times. she is a professional pollster. she is very attuned and adept at listening to the people and you get such a clear, precise,

gauge of the contemporary, current opinions of the people. i learned so much from my fellow americans. there, thee out pundits, the hermetically sealed washington, new york bubble -- removed from so the reality of everyday american life. thank you for taking my call. you are the best. host: the people who call in our people who are motivated to vote as well, so it's an interesting does you hear different perspectives. i do not know how accurate it is, but nonetheless, people who watch the show and colin are motivated to vote as well -- and call in our motivated to vote as well. caller: everyone has their personal biases, but there are people out there who do not listen to "washington journal"

and get their cues from the media or the friends and their families. i am a trump supporter. i would never say it in public. -- iast majority of people am really measured and how i speak. if someone says something snarky about donald trump, i try to defend it in a somewhat subtle way, not to mention his name, but talk about the policy or the issue being broached. many different voters out there who are afraid to modify us -- manifest they are come voters because they are afraid of repercussions, whether it is a family friend or -- it is unfortunate. i love "washington journal." it is the best program on tv. when i used to get cable years $9.99 a month,y and the only stations i would listen to was c-span, c-span2,

c-span3. the -- calls are through now the costs are full the roof. i have called several times. i am like, why can we not get a skinny bundle and just have c-span again? [laughter] host: tony, you are on the air. caller: yes, this is tommy. host: you're on the air. hillaryi voted for because she was the only qualified candidate on either side, and i would like for somebody to tell me -- all of these callers call in and say hillary would have been in jail -- they would be in jail if they had done what hillary had done. someone to get on the phone or write me a letter and tell me what has she done? . have been watching i'm 79 years old. i don't know nothing that she has done. having herabout

sober, having her own private server? -- what about having her server, having her own private server? man wasevery since this put in, we have a circus be review hire a clown, you get a circus. that's my opinion. host: the house is about to come into a pro forma session. the house and the senate are out. the senate was in earlier in the week. they are not here for the rest of today, and tomorrow, and they will be -- the rest of today and tomorrow, and they will be back the week later. the house will come in for a pro forma session. from thest days away election. so we will bring into the house now, live coverage here on c-span.