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and later, a wall street journal's matthew hennessy joins us to discuss his new book, zero hour for gen x, which looks at the millennials impact on politics, culture, and technology. ♪ host: it is monday, august 20th and this is "the washington journal." both the president and the first lady have events you can see on c-span. lonnie a trump speaks at a cyber bullying prevention summit -- melania trump speaks at a cyber bullying prevention summit. a new poll from pew research charts how politically accurate experts are leading into the midterm election.

maybe you are involved in some of these activities. if so, let us know because we want to find out, are you more politically active this election year? here is how you can let us know. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. independents, 202-748-8002. if you want to post on our isial media site, @cspanwj our twitter feed at our facebook page is facebook.com/cspan. you can find a poll online. this is from pew research center charting politically at -- political activity leading up to the november midterms. it shows breakdowns from those responding. registered voters who have participated. when they are asked about contacting an elected official, 28% of republican voters say they took part. 30% of all voters and 36% of

democratic voters saying that is what they have done. when it comes to computing money to a campaign, 23% of democrats versus 18% of republicans. attending a political rally or event, 8% of republicans responding compared to 22% of democrats saying that is part of their political activity and when it comes to the topic of working or volunteering for a campaign. 7% overall said they did that and 5% of republicans saying they have done that activity versus 9% of democrats taking part in that activity. we will show some of the more write-downs of this poll. when it comes to those -- more breakdowns of this poll. when it comes to those activities, maybe you are involved more this election. we want to find out what you are doing as an activity and why you are doing it. the phone lines are 202-748-8010

for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. independents, 202-748-8002. if you want to give us a call or post on our social media sites, you can do so @cspanwj and you can post on our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan. that same poll asks voters about if control of congress really matters when it comes to the overall topic of political activity. here is the breakdown of those total polled. 75% of republican voters saying it really matters which party wins control of congress versus 78% of democratic voters. 44% of republicans saying it's important which party controls congress. 63% of republicans to 76% of republicans for ages 35 to 49.

more of that poll coming your way as far as activism is concerned. we want to learn about your personal activism. andre in silver spring, maryland, democrats line. go ahead. caller: i have definitely decided i need to be more active on my own after the 2016 election. i was very active expressing my opinion. facebook is the only -- social media that i use. that with truth and fact. that is what i drew -- that is what i do to try to be more politically active and get the word out about what is true and what is not.

host: when you make these postings on social media, what is the response like? host: unfortunately, what -- caller: unfortunately, what i am getting from the other side of the opinions is very disappointing because when you are hit with the fact of something and shown that what you posted was false, what i am getting back from trump supporters is statements where they will say, what does it matter that this is a false statement? this is the kind of talk i get from trump supporters. it is very frustrating, but i thislike if i don't combat russian-republican thing, there is no one trying to speak up for what is right. host: do you suspect your activism this year will only be restricted to social media or do

you see more contributions moneywise? where does it go beyond posting on social media? caller: i have never done the rally things before, but i was fortunate to go to two rallies that were small near the university of maryland, but i am slowly finding myself getting more active. election, i016 would see different postings and read the news and i would be so upset. i wasn't actually trying to correct the news when i heard it up front. if you are a trump supporter and you feel like you have to put out that fake information, you probably don't want to do it around me because i put it where they have no choice but to understand the facts. host: that is andre's experience as far as his activism leading --202-748-8001 for

republicans. .emocrats, 202-748-8000 we will go next to brenda in pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: good morning. i started being more politically active during the obama campaign. i write op-ed letters to my local newspaper. i donated money to obama's campaign and hillary clinton's campaign. the thing about melania trump and the immigration, it has come out that she never got her citizenship until after she married donald trump in 2005. host: let's stick to the activism part. tell us what you are doing in this election cycle. caller: one thing, i am calling into c-span and getting my opinions and viewpoints across the country. when i write op-ed pieces to my

local newspaper, it is just the indiana county area. i have joined our local committee and -- host: when it comes to specific races in pennsylvania, what are you paying attention to? caller: we have a very young man running for state legislature. he is probably about 25 years old and i think we need to get some young people involved in our state government, so i am -- for stategan legislature. host: ok. that is one other person's experience. this is charles in jasper, indiana, independent line. caller: i think political parties hinder our progress.

in congress, they have had a gridlock for i don't know how long and they did not get -- hing accomplished, the activitymes to for the november election, what are you involved in? caller: i don't know. i am going to be careful of who i vote for. host: what determines that? caller: i am going to have to learn to know who the candidates are before i vote for them. host: the phone lines are available to you on facebook it is at facebook.com/cspan and you can post on our twitter feed @cspanwj. this is the polling data coming in from cbs news when it comes to the midterm elections. they see with a plus or minus of

11 seats, democrats taking 222 , saying we surveyed voters across 50 -- 57 key districts, estimating the chances seat by seat. in 10 voters support their congressional candidate in their district. most say they are not sure who they will vote for. democrat advantages may well dissipate. many initially reluctant trump -- democrats appeared to be hanging onto hillary clinton voters at a slightly greater rate. nearly nine and -- 9 in 10 clinton voters said they would vote for her again. men prefer republicans by 8 point, resulting in a gender gap

. some of the other analysis from the cbs poll when it deals with looking at how women will vote, 46% of those responding to the poll saying they would vote for the democratic candidate versus men. 39%. 47% of men saying they would vote for a republican candidate , those redof women ring not sure for women, 16% and 11% for men. , 38% female independents saying they would vote for the democratic candidate and 32% for the republican candidate and those who were not sure, 26%. that is some analysis done by cbs. as far asu -- activism is concerned, giving more money or attending rallies -- that was our first call on facebook -- social media site.

let's go to utah, democrats line. caller: hello. i am trying to support my democratic house candidate republican current house candidate because he is adamant about killing 90,000 wild horses and she would be good on the horse issue. the turley cook report gives the democratic candidate zero chance is typical inich utah. i think we have been in that situation about 40 or 50 years where a democrat would not have any chance whatsoever. my feeling is that we cannot just hand it to them and we have to give democrats somebody to vote for and i am so admiring of our democratic candidates who will go into a race where they

winning andance of work their hearts out and spend time with their families and put money into it. i wish you times -- utahans would wake up and want a two-party state someday. host: do you think those poll results dampen the enthusiasm for anyone willing to participate in the political process? caller: absolutely. utahans are not very active politically because they know there is zero chance of a democrat winning. host: arnold in florida, democrats line, go ahead. caller: yes. --hink we need to make sure as far as myself, i am donating have more this year than i . i think we need some kind of checks and balances on comrade trump. we need to make sure he just

can't do what he wants to do. the man does some crazy stuff. everybody wants to complain about people complaining about him, but he had a whole lot of history before he became president of this country and most of it was bad. you are donating money, told what races are you donating or specifically, where are you donating if you don't mind telling us that? caller: democratic party. there is no way i want to see rick scott win. he's a criminal himself. up $50 milliond fine for medicaid fraud when he was head of the -- i can't remember what the medical insurance company was. fine.d that $50 million

host: arnold, if you don't mind sharing the donations you are making? 100, 1000 -- $100? $1000? caller: i drove a truck for a living. i made my living with my body. i just give what i can. host: that is arnold's experience. ben is in south carolina, republican line. go ahead. caller: hi. active this year. i'm going to republican meetings and giving money to conservative veritasike project exposing some of the things going on and i want to point out one thing. back in the day, you all would

take calls from everybody and the vast majority were conservative people. now i think you all decided you did not like that. host: we did nothing on that front. to your first point as far as your activism, what drives that? why are you giving to these causes? what is the main factor? caller: because of the way the federal government has gotten bigger and bigger and abusive where the irs and the justice department are politicized and going after people. that is like russia, somewhere, or china, cuba. we don't need that down here or anywhere in the country. we have got to try to stop that. in southt is ben carolina. the previous caller mentioned rick scott. florida gov. rick scott steals

time every day as he campaigns for the senate to practice a skill president trump wants dismissed as a bad habit, speaking in spanish. president trump told voters this is a country where we speak english, not spanish. -- recasting those without papers as a threat bringing terrorism and crime. the president has not objected this year as republicans like scott carefully tried to distance themselves from his nativist rhetoric. unlike the 2016 electoral college map, which depended on working-class whites in the midwest -- hispanics make up double-digit shares of the voting electorate. more of that profile of rick scott in the pages of "the washington post." from catherine, annandale, virginia, you are next up. caller: my name is catherine and

i am super active here in virginia in the grassroots movement. i am one of many hundreds of women of network nova. we have held two women's sonnets and we do fundraising for candidates. we elected 11 women last year and we plan to elect the 6 women running in virginia. host: these are democratic women i suspect or assume? caller: independent, democratic women. after the women's march, we have formed several organizations. i would say we are one of many out here. will,action, together we swing left, thousands of women have turned virginia into a hotbed of activity. we have been adopting candidates even in other states across our borders we form group and go doors,d help, knock on

make phone calls. we have come up with cool ways to raise money and have fun doing it. host: how do you keep enthusiasm in that task? what would you say keeps the enthusiasm for you and those like you? caller: we really care about this country and we feel like -- i think women are seeing we need to make the change and stand up and take our country back. the men running it have messed it up. our enthusiasm comes from our value and the friendships we have made. it is like being in a battlefield. we flipped 11 seats last year and that enthusiasm has told us we are doing the right thing and this administration does not help itself when it starts separating families and threatening to put women in jail for exercising their

reproductive freedom. that keeps us on fire. we also held two huge women's summits here in virginia and attracted over 700 people. host: thank you, appreciate that. bill tang on twitter says not kingng involved in -- bill on twitter says not getting involved is how trump got elected. we should all be involved no matter who you support. karen says i am reading bios and other information on candidates. i already know the position of my u.s. representative, so no need to pursue that further. from rebecca in illinois, democrats line. go ahead. caller: hi, pedro. thank you for taking my call. i am being more politically --ive this year because especially for the house races

where jerry costello. for him and also for us to have the next governor of illinois and that is who i am voting for and those are the two people i am working for and so -- we need need toa more -- we have more people that are ready the houseg as far as races are concerned to put a real check on this president. time are youh spending the -- a week doing this type of activity? caller: i do this like twice a week as far as political activities are concerned. i do a lot with the internet as far -- as well as going to meetings, too.

host: that is rebecca giving her experience when it comes to political activity. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. from new york, brian is next, republican line. c-span.good morning, can you hear me? host: yeah, you are on. caller: ok, because i see you talking. i have been politically active for 40 years. i pay attention and i have read all the books. donald trump is the one that got me out with a t-shirt on speaking up for him. i have been threatened with my life, threatened with beatings. they call themselves the empty fascist. they are the fascist, by the

way. they are the ones stifling free speech. this is taking place on college campuses. when donald trump says the media is a threat to america, he is correct. they lie and they live. -- and they lie. host: when it comes to specific activity as far as this election cycle, would you say you are active and if so, tell us how. caller: i just had work done on my heart and i am actually afraid to go out anymore because if somebody took a swing at me, it would kill me. wingedd them left fascist. c-span, back when the -- came

over the fence in virginia when they were tearing down other people's property, the statues and donald trump said there are good people on both sides. said the next day, "sir, do you mean white supremacists are good people?" donald trump looked at him in discussed and said "of course not, i am talking about the people who are good people who live in that little town and don't appreciate their property being destroyed. " host: we will leave it there. the president's comments on charlottesville and other things, you can see that for yourself on c-span.org. a lot of topics on the midterm elections. go to our website for that. matthew on twitter says are you

more politically active this year answering "i am. you need to get out there, make a call, vote. please." party an active green voter and then became a democratic -- extremely active it with candidate forums, money donations and social media. there is a 41% primary turnout in my precinct." you can post on twitter @cspanwj . more from the pew research center. they asked democrats and republicans about certain activities, asking about country bidding to a candidate running for public office or a group working for a candidate. democrats 18 to 34 saying they did that last year compared to 8% of republicans. when it comes to democrats, 24% between the ages of 50 and 64

versus 18% of republicans. when asked about attending a political rally, protest, or campaign event if you were falling into the age frame of 35 democrats said they did that versus 8% of republicans. 21% of those democrats between the ages of 50 and 64 versus 6% of republicans and you can find more information at pew research.org. in ohio, democrats line. caller: hello? host: you are on, go ahead. to the ohiontribute phoned andnd i have i intend to do phoning again this next time. i am especially interested in danny o'connor's election.

round,not have it this but we are working for him in 2018. that with virginia we will turn democrat again also. this precinct in ohio is really troublesome. we are trying. thank you. host: why are you focused on west virginia being in ohio? caller: i was originally from a little time -- town in ohio that was all coal country and then my relatives went to west virginia where we would visit and it was coal country and if you have ever lived in an area where the the --and you would see

burning and have that sulfur water, that cannot be good for any child. any adult, really. delma int is doma -- ohio. an ad for those in west virginia from the susan b anthony list targeting senator joe manchin, democrat of west virginia about support for planned parenthood, just to give you a sense of what people are seeing in this campaign season. [video clip] >> west virginia, we believe in the sanctity of life. senator joe manchin voted to allow federal funding for planned parenthood, the largest abortion business in the country. itchin said he would do again. manchin even voted against legislation to give pro-life

states the aborted -- the authority to defund planned parenthood. vote to stop federal funding for planned parenthood. host: this is vintage -- vince nt in pennsylvania. caller: i want to congratulate you for your show here. made wereimportant how some of the early founders, jefferson, monroe were concerned about oligarchy. with all due respect for the wonderful citizens calling in who want to be active, we have structural flaws in our system that the world-renowned political scientist in britain, "crisisyling, his book in democracy" ought to be required reading for everybody. he points out the structural flaws in our system. the way to illustrate that would

be this. in france in their a election, on big, butnot only w he brought in an entire new party and the socialist party was dominant for decade. they only have 30 seats now. the british system, they have 80 million people in britain, and 600 members of parliament. each district only has about 90,000 people and that means they can defeat incumbents by going door to door, meeting them in shopping centers. they don't need the money. host: before you go too far on that sense, bring it to the united states. what is the lesson learned for those who may be active? caller: say that again, sir? host: what can we learn about that system and apply it to the november elections? caller: only 10% of the seats

are in play because of gerrymandering. we have got to get this greatly on your -- grayling on your show. host: that video is our q&a program. you can probably see it today on our website at c-span.org. that interview about his thoughts on those systems which the caller referenced. jim in ohio, republican line. hi. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: fine, thank you. caller: i appreciate your show, monday through friday. we have a pretty good diverse amount of people, republicans and democrats in our family and friends and we don't even like to talk about politics anymore. it turns the average guy off. none of us are involved in any kind of rallies or anything like that.

i think we are going to vote and that will be it. the only time we really talk about politics is on monday. i will watch this show and tell my wife what people say. people are fed up with it. you used tou saying be more active and members in your family or it has been pretty much constant with your family? caller: i will tell you this. i always considered myself a liberal tactic -- liberal catholic. we voted for donald trump and it is the constant rhetoric and everything else and the democratic side has to same thing. my wife's side of the family is democrats and they will go down fighting and we are like, let's not engage in this. we are going to vote, but as far as being involved in any kind of other stuff, we are done. we are happy -- happier people when we don't engage in the

conversation. host: that is jim in ohio. this is a former reporter, editor, and publisher and the author of an op-ed in "the washington post" this morning. november 6th could be independents day. more than half the states that register and report votes by party, independent voters outnumber one or both of the two major parties. voter fresh rations is mounting under president trump -- voter n is mounting under president trump. senate, in 31 state legislative bodies, five or fewer independents could be the fulcrum on which the alex of

power rest -- balance of power rests. you can find that at "the washington post" website. daniel in silver spring, hello. caller: hello. this is daniel. good morning. host: daniel, go ahead, you are on. caller: i wanted to give a shout out to the african immigrant caucus. they supported, helped, and recruited 15 candidates in the maryland primaries that just ended. they also did a lot of voter registration. there are a lot of recent immigrants who have green cards and voted to become u.s. citizens and giving the information for them to apply and become u.s. citizens. awanted to really give them shout out for what they did

because there have never been that many african immigrant candidates running for office is . host: that is some of the comments this morning in the first 45 minutes. we are asking if you are more politically active this election year. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. independents, 202-748-8002. this tweet on our @cspanwj twitter feed is saying "i have always been politically active, i just don't donate because i can't read i have worked for various campaigns and i am a precinct committee person." you can talk about the activity you bring as far as the november elections and those things. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats.

weependents, 202-748-8002 showed you that ad from the susan b anthony list in west virginia. another ad from planned parenthood. the senator is lisa murkowski from alaska talking about the potential vote she may take on brett kavanaugh, the president's nominee for the supreme court. [video clip] >> this is my cabin. my husband and i started building this four years ago. we live off the grid and we love it. alaska is a live and let live state read we have autonomy over our own body. to lose that right would be u n-alaskans. stake.wade is that thank you senator lisa murkowski -- and forg with an alaskan women. host: taking a look at the investigation being done by robert mueller saying disgrace

and discredited bob mueller and his group of angry, democratic thugs spent time with the council. anybody needing that much time when they know there is no russian collusion is -- you can read more on his twitter feed. "the washington times" highlights the conversation with rudy giuliani on "meet the press" yesterday and that truth is in truth campaign -- truth isn't truth conversation came out. a former trump attorney said mr. mcgahn was a terrific witness, dismissing speculation to the contrary is pure fiction on the claims of pushback. he told the washington times don mcgann was a terrific witness -- don mcgahn was a terrific

witness for the president. he said mr. mueller told him no one lied and no documents were withheld. we answered all mr. mueller's questions and he said the president has no exposure. that news might fuel your activity leading up to the november election. from connie in new jersey, democrats line. hi. caller: good morning. beenmment is i have always bothered with the president and i think it is a product of the republican party. i have been a candidate in politics since i came to this country. of viceaid it is more president pence. he is very quiet. the people who are against abortion are not pro-life.

this is a myth. activity, it comes to particularly for the november elections, how active are you because of that? caller: the most i can because -- host: what kind of things are you doing? caller: i am going around my block. host: go ahead. caller: i am talking to the people who really think about what the state of the country is. remember, we want to have better health care? i am 60 years old and i pay almost $500 for my health care.

or of this middle age retired republicans, they must be millionaires or they don't even know who they are voting for. int: let's hear from vincent alabama, republican line. caller: good morning. i am wondering what is going on about the veterans administration and why are they taking so long to get a lot of vets taking care of in medical centers? why are they turning a bunch of them away? i don't understand that. host: is that part of your work as far as the november elections are concerned? caller: yes, sir? host: how so, specifically. caller: seeing a bunch of vets being turned away and i would like to know why. host: how is it going to impact your vote? caller: it is going to impact it pretty heavy.

i am a heavy veteran supporter on isl the suicide going hurting us badly. host: let's go to our independent line. ed in portland, tennessee. hi. caller: thank you for taking my call. i went to the president's rally in nashville for blackburn. . was holding up signs sheriff's come up. one while he was talking to me and the other took the banners took the bridge i had them hanging saying it was a safety hazard and they took off with my banners. so much for free speech and tennessee. a lot of people are perplexed about why people are the way they are.

groom --rlson, and you have to remember when hitler -- germany lost world war ii, .itler came in as a nationalist that might sound familiar and one of his slogans was "make germany great again." people need to think what is going on. host: what is your criticism of marsha blackburn and her run for senate? ander: she is a follower she will do anything. there is a video where she read off a piece of paper in congress and had no clue what she was reading. do and sheer what to does it. i want independent thinkers and common sense politicians. host: the other two gentleman you mentioned, who are them? caller: david denison, john baron, those are the people donald trump used as aliases. host: phoenix, arizona,

republican line. this is dan. hello. caller: hi. i am more politically active this election year just being more vocal and talking with people i know. the bothers me so much is fake news that comes from the left because i really think that way of fighting unfairly is just something we are going to have to get to the polls on the right and really take down because there is too much of dirty fighting coming from the left. i just think we need to really get out there and make ourselves heard. i think the left tends to be more vocal, but we need to get out there and do it. we need to be more vocal and talk about what we feel is important. host: when it comes to the

senate race in arizona, what is your thinking? caller: i am not too sure about that. focused on the national news and what is going where i am is everybody on hope the right really gets themselves out there to do things they need to do. host: from beltsville, maryland, jeffrey. you are next. caller: i get tired of people on the right that keep talking about people on the left. do they realize fox cable news for eightk obama hell years and they were trying to impeach obama for small things? i believe the president could be

a better president if he stood up for the right things. november elections, activity leading up to that is our focus. caller: our nieces and nephews in school, i am getting them out there to vote. the young people need to get more involved. i was born in 1961 and i have been through and seen a lot. what is going on now is not normal. honoringed to start one another and move on and make a better world for everybody. i have got -- i am getting my nieces and nephews to vote. i am getting the neighbors to vote, democrat because you have put anen end to this -- end to this hatred. host: this is about brett kavanaugh, to be interviewed this week by top democrats in the senate. this is shorting carney writing kearny --e -- jordain

access the paperwork from brett kavanaugh's years as a staff secretary have become a lightning rod and the issue will take center stage as he sits down with chuck schumer and dianne feinstein of california, the top democrat on the judiciary committee. both senators will press kavanau gh about whether he is releasing -- he will support releasing all of his bush-era documents. --ask them directly why he is not calling for the release of paperwork during the closed door sit down. "he should have said already he wants them released." that was senator schumer telling reporters that. republican line, robert is next from south carolina.

caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thanks. caller: it is just plain as the nose on your face, you can see what is going on. they are dismayed and unhappy about the collection and they are -- about the election and they are dragging this on and on. you need to get politically motivated because when you use the justice department to try to cover up a woman's ill repute, something is wrong. they are doing it every day. host: what is your current level of activity leading up to the november elections? caller: mine? getting out there and letting people know the truth and let them see for their own self. host: how is that done? do you have conversations with people you know? people who are politically active? do you post these things? caller: mostly word-of-mouth. i don't do a lot of posting.

i am not trying to be a media person. mostly friends and people and people i work around with. host: are there particular races you are focused on? caller: not particularly focused on. to do my part for the local area, trying to get us going local. host: who are you supporting locally? caller: i support all my local people voting. mr. scott downtown and all these other folks. i try to keep up with what is going on and stay active and you have to. if you don't, you have got your head in the sand. word about to see a it. they want to down him. i cannot believe that. souththat is robert and carolina. the president and the first lady at events today.

it's 3:00 this afternoon, a ceremony honoring customs and border agencies. you can see that on c-span.org and our radio app. at 3:00, cyber bullying a topic important to the first lady. on can see that at 9:15 c-span 2, c-span.org, and our radio app. on the front page of the "new york times" when it comes to the environment, eric lipton reporting as a corporate lawyer, william way rep -- william -- worked to weaken protection rules on to half of coal burning power plants and oil drillers. he is about to deliver one of the biggest victories from inside the trump administration as the government's top air pollution official. president trump is expected to propose a batch of regulations

.n emissions from coal plants the push for the changes, the proposal strikes at the heart of climate change regulation adopted by the obama administration to force change among polluting industries and follow the relaxation of separate rules governing when power plants must upgrade their agreement. mr. wehrum, who led the clean air office since november, helped deliver changes to several of those rules. from florida, republican line, pat, we are talking about activity leading up to november, political activity. go ahead. caller: yes. i would like to be more involved, but i want to say i am exceed plus years old and when i -- i am 60 plus years old and when i go to the grocery store i

hear people trying to talk about things and they almost get threatened. people are afraid to speak out. people are afraid to put a bumper sticker on their car because they are afraid of damage. i would like to be more politically active, but i am afraid. host: the hill is reporting -- stierc mega-donors saying he would pump $10 million into get out the vote campaigns. it was in a town hall in michigan last monday when steyer said he would continue to work on the campaign. -- isgress has effectively broken and has been

for a long time. our representatives talk about the issues, that cannot find a way to do anything about them. next, we will hear from henry, democrats line. obliquely -- in the guy from arizona who gave the fake news story. ofhave the heads intelligence of every agency, that is not fake news. there is nothing fake about what those men had to say. the second item is you have men like bannon active again in the campaign. host: quickly, please to the topic of november and your activity. that is what i am adjusted in hearing about. caller: when you are active, you learn something. host: what specifically are you doing when it comes to the

elections? caller: this information did not land in my lap. i am acutely aware and i read. it is racistays when we call for our country, let them call us racist. host: ok. that is henry in new york. steve bannon also talking about the november elections to abc news during an interview with the associate press he said he believes the gop would leave -- lose 35 to 40 seats if the election were held today. he is convinced democrats will pursue impeachment. he argues there is time to turn that around. "you cannot look at this as a midterm and cannot run out of the traditional republican playbook. the effort is a test of -- republican playbook."

his relationship with trump soured after a tell-all vote bannon criticizing donald trump, jr.. that is on the abc news website read we will go to lisa in maryland, independent line. caller: hi. i am in maryland, which is a blue state. i am in a red congressional district. andy harris is my representative. election active this year due to trump and i am campaigning on behalf of jesse colin, the democratic opponent of andy harris and i have been talking to friends and i am very active locally following my elections. host: what is driving your support of this candidate? caller: he is a moderate democrat. he is an army vet. he is a family man and andy

harris is a freedom caucus and follow -- falls in line of trump and he is extreme right. he does not come to my area. gerrymandered district, so we don't see any help from him. this is all i can do. i have democratic senators and i am an independent. i am voting for larry hogan for governor. host: why larry hogan? caller: he is a moderate republican. he crosses the aisle in maryland to get things done and our area is red. democratic governor -- we never saw him. he never came to the red areas. larry hogan has.

he is going to all of maryland, not just the democrats and talk to a lot of folks in maryland. that is what you see in the red counties, there is a big support for him and it is democrats as well. host: that is lisa and maryland. let's talk to mark on the republican line in texas. hi. caller: yes. host: you are on, sir, go ahead. caller: i would like to say if you support a candidate, you need to back it up with your money. donate to the ones that you cruzrt and i support ted and i forgive to the trump campaign. i think it is important we have congress speaking what we believe in. host: when it comes to the texas senate race, how close do you

think it is right now as it currently stands? caller: it is close, but i still believe cruz is going to win and gomer is going to win. ist: when it comes to money, there a general sense of how much money you attribute? -- contribute? caller: i live on a fixed income, so i can only give what give. -- give, but i this russian collusion stuff, it makes no sense to me because barack obama and hillary clinton along with robert -- he had to okay it. uraniumur nuclear grade to our enemies. host: ok, that is mark in texas. he was giving his thoughts on giving and his thoughts on the senate race.

you can give us some of that information, too. particularly if there is a race in your state, you can talk about your activity overall. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. .ndependents, 202-748-8002 from pennsylvania, independent line, robert. go ahead. caller: what i am doing this year is i go on facebook. i watch c-span and the news. i try to watch the actual event and i go to the different news organizations, fox news or whatever and i go on facebook and post the truth. i am finding out the actual fake news happens to be fox most of the time. i don't know why they do it, but that is what i am finding out. i am going on facebook and posting the truth. i look it up on the internet and

do all the research i can and then i put the truth on facebook and that is why i am independent. -- now idy could vote am going to sound political, how anybody could vote for trump to be a president. i grew up respecting and thising, wow, could i be president? think about it, his private life and now that is who he elected as president. i guess we got what we elected. host: that is robert in pennsylvania. he mentions the activity he does on facebook. if you want to contribute and add your thoughts, you can do so at facebook.com/cspan. john says i am actually considering this election cycle out. all the candidates running are worthless and unworthy of my vote. saying he has

proposed to participate -- 2012.d to dissipate since virtually every interaction i have with the blue team further inclines me to vote for the red "pray forlso adds apocalypse." can comment on our twitter feed or our phone lines. , -- daniel inbama alabama. nonprofit follow a bipartisan organization. we are working on a web page. we are trying to build from the ground up. cities, counties, state, national. if i may, i could give the name of the organization?

host: so you are not supporting a particular candidate or party? we are trying to get everybody out to vote. we are working on the mail out postcards. we will send out if 2000 this week, to get everybody to the polls. host: who is funding you? caller: private individuals. we are nonprofit. or a corporation like a local bank or realtor, we take that also. host: what got you and the people you are working with together on this? caller: there are three people in the senate race, a special election during the senate race in alabama. we realize that people didn't

even know there was a special election. we got together and brainstormed and came up with this idea. and we currently have 300 members. space -- we are working on our webpage. person in new hampshire doing activity of his lawyer,tormy daniels' calling on democrats to fight fire with fire. sunday,ined an event on the attorney best known for representing stormy daniels told fox news and other news organizations that "i am absolutely being serious" as he mulls a run for

the democratic presidential nomination. caller: hello. republican.tered i am so fed up with the policies of the republicans that i am now going door to door for the democrats. i will be making phone calls, giving everything i can to try to turn this around. the republican party has lost its way. host: what november election specifically are you focused on? have a in colorado, we democrat, diane -- i can't think of her last name right now. if we can't get her elected then we can switch the state senate to democrat. which would be great. in pennsylvania on

the republican line. caller: i just called to say that i go around to my friends houses and we have people over. we discussed some politics. win overu barletta to bob casey because bob casey, he is going too far to the left as far as i am concerned. i do what i can. i love doing it. host: what is it about lou barletta's policies that you like the most? caller: the best part is when he was in hazelton, he was strict on immigration and i know he will work with the president on immigration which is one of the main things i like. dominict's hear from . i am from new york. and we have a governor.

there is no free lunch. principal before personalities. talking out the president, ok. top of him every two minutes. as far as personality goes, i don't care. i only care about action. -- when i hear my governor when i hear him, i don't believe what is going on in the country. i am a vietnam veteran. i fought for my country. there is no free lunch. before personality. host: what does that mean with your activity in november? caller: i am kind of dogs down gede -- i am kind of bog down. i don't like the governor or the person running for governor.

i don't like the system in new york. host: coming up on our program in the latest edition of current affairs magazine, taking a look at the story "future of the internet." we will talk about that with gideon rose and discuss his point of view. that conversation is coming up on "washington journal." ♪ the c-span bus has arrived by boat in hawaii. we are visiting the capital of .onolulu >> we are excited to have c-span in hawaii. especially with the spirit we can share for the history and culture. it is a great opportunity for showing people hawaii across the

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radio mobile app. >> tonight on the communicators, talking about the book "the political spectrum." have scratched the surface. most -- the great majority of the airwaves that are valuable for communication are squandered. ago were set aside 60 years with the technology gone and applications moot. up with better mechanisms. a lot of my book is devoted to talking about things regulators can do to unleash even more of without the shown micromanagement of a federal communications commission in washington. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2.

>> "washington journal" continues. host: in the latest edition of the foreign affairs magazine, "world war web." isning us to talk about it did he, the editor. rose, the editor. answer is that it is something similar to what is happening with globalization and capitalism over the past few decades has been happening with the internet as well. it is an interesting story of a liberal, universal, open market and system, which is gradually facing pushback because it went too far, too fast and got in trouble. .hink of a four act play

in the first act, the u.s. government creates the fundamentals of the internet. the defense department comes up with secure communications that can survive nuclear war. they develop a network to bring people together. the governmentt, creates a public infrastructure and decides to run it as an open system in which everybody can .ommunicate frictionless partner with the leaders. in that 1980's-19 90's, the government turned the open infrastructure to a partnership with the private sector to develop it. you get the wonderful things of the internet in the 1990's and early 2070 think of as the golden age of the web and internet. t 3.

private companies turn out to come dominate the market place and we get big tech. the formerly large open internet bots,w filled with spam, people trying to take your money. in the absence of regulation, the system phrase and rakes down. three, the-- in act issue is about the several different kinds of pushback happening around the world that are going to basically constrict the open-free-flowing internet that we used to think we knew and loved. you can talk about this in the u.s. in terms of the pushback against big tech. mark zuckerberg being pulled in

front of congress. thinking about regulating amazon . but that is the least because the u.s. is a system dominated by liberal or market oriented principles. so the u.s. has been slow to regulate this. thats the u.s. government helped partner with big tech to dominate in the first place. so the pushback comes elsewhere. europeans are trying to regulate the internet. just done something that is an entire new law about controlling data and making sure individuals have the right to .ontrol their own data heavy-handed regulation in one sense although that is not how they see it. europeans try to solve the problem with regulation. the indians are trying to solve it by building a better

internet. a fascinating article about reengineering things from the the public good. and china is simply trying to high off its own internet and say, thank you very much. you guys can do what you want with the big one and we will create a chinese cyber s sphere. -- we are the chinese government and we believe in controlling everything chinese. it will be arranged the way i want to end the chinese government wants to and that is their internet. you have yours and we have hours and that is called the splinter-net. the ones common global system separates. anyway. we don't know what will happen four.

in acts two, the tech companies lead the u.s. dominated market open way. t three, there is pushback. what will happen in act four? orl it be government companies or individual people? will it be one internet or many? this is what we don't know and this is what will happen in the next few years. host: you can ask our guest questions about this story and the thoughts he has laid out in "world war web. ." four democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. the consumers,

depending on who wins? is no question that there will be a whole lot of wonderful technology and wonderful glories of the internet in the digital future. every year now we see the ofelopment of new kinds stuff. opportunities down the road. no question that future generations will look at us as technological primitives and think about the wonderful things they can do down the road that we couldn't do now because of the advent of digital technology and the connection of people use digital technology into a giant hole. however, that future will be a lot more compact metallized, much more -- will be a lot more mpartmentalized.

much more than what people thought it would be naively in the 1990's. the idea that the internet would in ato or drive politics certain direction, we don't think that anymore. the chinese have proved you can use it just as easily for control as liberation. so those people who thought that digital technology would somehow be inherently liberating or had a political vein to it and would its essence,ty in have been proved in the first two decades of this era wrong. because human beings bring all the fights and silliness and peggy division that they have in the nondigital world. so we will see the digital world reflect that. host: because we hear the term cyber warfare in these conversations, two of your authors write this, saying in "in spite of all the

warnings of a virtual pearl states have shown little appetite for using cyber attacks for large-scale destruction. the immediate threat is more corrosive than explosive. states are using the tools of the very foundation of the internet -- trust." whot: this is somebody probably would be in charge of cyber technology at the pentagon. these are people who say, given what i have said before and the ,hreats that are out there now what can the united states and the united states government do? what can regulators do to save a liberal internet and protect consumers from the threats that are out there? it is a great piece that is a little bit detailed. would say is that the best

part of the piece is the line you just read -- "the threats are corrosive, not explosive." when we first thought of things like a digital pearl harbor or cyber warfare, we thought of a government trying to do an attack. ulse, and there is still the potential of a war between china but short of an , governments are not using it to attack directly. what is happening instead is a lot of sneaky, covert activity below the scene. like what the russians are doing in ukraine. so it is a gradual erosion of trust. lots of hackers and

disinformation and nigerian prince scams. so thathat is making it you don't know what is happening. thee was an old cartoon in new yorker at the beginning of the internet age and it showed a dog in front of the computer. the caption was "on the internet, nobody knows if you are a dog." it was very funny. but if you think about that, nobody knows if you are a troll, a 400 pound man. nobody knows if you are a dog or a spy or a company stealing your data. that is corroding the trust between everybody operating online. and until or unless we can control that, we will be denied many of the best pleasures and benefits of a big common pool

that everybody can have access to. host: the first call from virginia. pete is on with gideon rose. caller: good morning. thank you for having you on. the splinter-net is fascinating. what do you think is most act 4, given the current situation? and what do you think of the dark web and how the splinter-net may affect that or not? guest: great questions. let me start out by saying that i am not a great digital expert. i am the editor of "foreign affairs." the issuesiscussion the experts are talking about themselves and what they are saying about it. anybody think i am

posing. is to assemble good expert so you can listen to all sides. and we try to do a good job of putting a fair debate so that readers make up their own mind. this is not what i think. basically, as to what will happen next, we really don't know. a lot of it depends on whether gets its act together. a lot of the problems in the last 10-15 years, capitalism in the economy to the government to has beention -- there a breakdown or failure of regulation. things are able to go forward helter skelter. alsoof benefits but turmoil and disorder and people are reacting against that. think of immigration which went far and then became

destabilizing. and about globalization. the internet and the connection of the world raced forward too fast. globalre are no regulators to take care of this. and data. in of the fascinating things this package that came about when i was reading at all, it was the control of data, one of the biggest and most central issues. it has market, political issues. but there is no real model. is movingtire world transactions and commercial weerprises so quickly that

are producing rounds of data with multiple players in multiple transactions every time you make a simple transaction online. so the question of who gets to use, collect, monetize and that data becomes a central question. is it you? the government? agencies? that is an interesting question. i don't know where we will go next but the scary trend is that -- like in state capitalism and other areas -- the chinese is playing its hand well. playing a long game for technological dominance. if they keep their system moving forward intelligently and avoid screw ups and the u.s. keeps sliding into dysfunction, the future of the internet is far more chinese and asian in general. host: steve, go ahead.

in baltimore,y maryland. caller: hope you can hear me ok. ok. nationalism -- one of the main spokespersons for that is steve annan and i heard him interviewed with euro news. he made the point that there will be a lot of pushback ' data isndividuals being used to make money in the market with the global economic system. individualsthat the should get paid for the use of their information in the market. abouther thing is facebook. an example with the algorithms. the algorithms are nothing more

an engineering the market, engineering data for the use of a profit for a globalist economy. host: we will leave it there. nationalismconomic point is correct. a good way to think about that is if you think about the reactions against unfettered globalism and populist or economic nationalism in which countries are trying to reassert their sovereignty and take back some of the control over their own states that have been surrendered through broad local trends -- so the economic nationalist or populist movements that we see happening elsewhere through the trump --you cannd brexit

imagine the exact same thing going on with china. china saying, ok. why should we be subject to this runglobal say that is being on american terms? with infrastructure, economically -- no. we don't want to play in your area and your internet. we, the chinese, will create our own internet and we will observe cyber sovereignty. entire chinese policy now is to essentially achieve cyber sovereignty, not it is similar parallel to the economic nationalism, is capitalism that the chinese do in the economic sphere. and what other people in the west are trying to do now, instead of creating a protected sphere. phenomenon.lar

host: from the republican line from hawaii, mark. caller: how are you? i have a couple of questions. i appreciate the banter and the sales pitch. that there seems -- i no introduction happen to know quite a lot about the -- running through people's houses. thousands in california alone. we don't have a choice. they took a right for safety from us because they have proven and belgian and -- one in --land has just come out now host: ok. let's go to bart.

caller: good morning. my question is, you made a comment about getting its act together. explain what that specifically means as far as the specific regulations u.s. should take to get their act together, per se? guest: great question. we created a wonderful playground called the internet make it easyred to for tech companies to create new and wonderful products that we thisse and enjoy in playground. then the question is, that system ran on its own for a decade or two. yielded social media companies and the wonderful commercial companies and everything went digital. we shifted -- most of the economy and life -- to

increasingly online stuff. the question becomes, who is regulating this area and what are the rules of the game? everybody now is trying to push back but different people do it in different ways. in the united states, we think of this in doing a little bit of regulation on the tech companies. there are policies the united states could follow. in thedical suggestion package is an article that basically says the simplest way to do this without nationalizing everything or destroying companies or ruining the internet is simply forcing companies to share the data they collect with everybody. so essentially, you get to collect the data but you don't to collect it exclusively or monetize it alone. so like scientists now where scientists are being asked to

deliver the data sets and conclusions so other people can see the data. you can collect what you want but everybody gets to see it. in india, there are saying we should do things differently and get companies out. europe is putting stricter regulations in place. the chinese are saying, why are companies powerful in the first the government should be in charge and beijing is basically telling its companies that they will not call mark zuckerberg in for a talk he for congress and then go back, we simply will tell you, this is what you have to do to run things the way we want. we don't know what will happen next but it comes down to a philosophical debate of how you a sector that is producing wonderful things but getting out of hand. gideon rose, the "foreign affairs" editor.

you can find the article online. it was yesterday that the national security adviser, john the largerked about issues of cyber warfare. i do want to play some of his thoughts on the topic and get your thoughts as well. >> you brought up cyber security. nsa seem to of the indicate that the white house earlier this month that he has been authorized to conduct cyber operations in response to any cyber meddling. what would that mean? what would he do? >> it means what he implied. this is a matter where i can't get into what we have been doing but it has been a priority of mine to make sure that we are using the full range of our capabilities to protect the elections and a whole range of foam herbal systems in the united states, full or will to cyber workfare operations.

-- a whole range of systems in .he united states haver adversaries who conducted operations against us come to understand that they will pay a much higher price if they do that then if they refrain. that is why offenses operations are so important. if you always are on the defense you will not create the structures of returns. host: what do you think about the deterrence he talks about? guest: i don't have any problems with what the national security advisor just said on its own term. logic is making other

actors realize that they have to play by the rules and if they were and will be subject to problems themselves and if they are being nasty then we stop them being nasty and make them pay a price for it. that is a legit tool. it is what we do in military and economic spheres. dissimilar to what is going on in the trade spheres. this is an important point to make in this administration. the tool of potential valuation and deterrence -- don't do this because if you do this then we will do this as well and none of us will want to go down that road and you will hurt more -- that is a legit tool. a way to act in the world. but the danger is that it is like a game of chicken.

if you don't stop and you are not careful, you could bring .own the whole structure the danger of thinking that way exclusively is failing to recognize that there is a broad system of global cooperation that actually is even more important than the temporary squabbles. and we don't want to destroy that entire system of global cooperation just to get a temporary advantage or in a particular area. the simplest version is in trade but in the internet as well. global trading system is based on the idea that everybody cooperating economically and across countries works out to everybody's benefit. and that is true in general. total value that is better if everybody plays by the rules. and then the government can distribute the gains to be beneficial for everybody.

could be abused by an open system or a government trying to get an advantage. to get people to stop doing that, you have to say, no. the game doesn't continue unless legit.dy is w the economic nationalists don't want the game to continue. they want things to be national based. they believe it is better to have a global economy in one big pool. and there are people like the chinese believe that a single global internet that we are all trying to make better -- we are playing chicken with somebody throwing the steering wheel out of the car and we say

we will just punish you and go and do our own thing that is exactly what you are doing. makes theor a nine whole world blind. the dangers of the administration is that in areas like trade areas or security ofas -- it would be too much a defensive tit-for-tat. it will bring down the whole cooperative system that we are benefiting from. host: from massachusetts on the republican line. stephen. caller: i would like to make a comment on the gross incompetence of the united states government in the internet arena. with the viruses and hacking and identity theft and intellectual theyrty and spamming -- have done nothing over two freaking decades. the defense organizations have done absolutely nothing. all the intellectual property has been stolen.

i'm wondering why nobody has owned up to it. why nobody approaches them for their incompetence. they will fail. thank you. guest: i can't disagree with your point. what i would say in the government's defense -- or defense of the government agencies that have failed to address this problem -- it isn't just their fault. broad,art of a philosophical approach in the west. government should not actually dominate the economy and dictate where it goes and how it is run. in the anglo american western-liberal tradition, the idea of economic management is that the government should essentially organize the economy and structure it and provide

good rules and regulations to allow individual economic act and developourish and then encourage them to do that and trust that the market competition will create companies that will provide services and benefits that will ultimately serve the public function. so the government's job isn't to run things for the public benefit. it is to run the overarching marketand then let competition supply the goods themselves. in this system. that is how we got amazon and google and they spoke. all of the big tech companies. they didn't even exist a few decades ago. why did they come to dominate? because in the west, we think that companies provide the government should provide infrastructure. it works well but we fell asleep

at the wheel and forgot that those companies don't always think for the good of the whole. for their ownk goods. so facebook provides wonderful benefits to all of us but it also is using us for its benefit. and that is the deal with companies. they are doing things that make a book. when capitalism works properly, companies can make a rock by giving -- companies can make a buck. can it works badly, they screw the people and take away their marks. how do you regulate companies that you have now allowed to dominate the tech area without killing the golden goose of domination and diamond is him that has given the us the wonderful benefits that the

digital revolution had to begin with. host: there is a story in wall street journal today about apple pulling thousands of apps out of china because the chinese deem them illegal. but there is criticism because they bended to china's will. guest: americans should think carefully about this. ,ecause one of the great interesting stories of this age of what isgence called a post-american world or the rise of the rest. globalization. a world in which other players around the globe now have more of a say that they used to. view aboutstates regulating tech companies. we think we know everything and we are the heart of the world and we are at the cutting edge

and our way is the only way. that is our assumption. and it isn't necessarily wrong. but we think our way of approaching internet regulations -- turn things over to companies and when they get bad or do things or across the rules, bring them in and rock their knuckles in a congressional hearing and pass a few laws and then send them back out. and through trial and error. is one possible way of regulating things. thehina, they dispense with middle stuff and tell companies, this is what you have to do if you want to keep operating. way may -- we may think how horrible but that is the way business runs in china. -- in chinaanies

there is no debate. more coupleere are with regulations. they just put a major new set of regulations which companies are scrambling to comply. and that is a different model. have a third model. so the question of the u.s. regulators, they are sympathetic. and regulators fell sleep at the wheel and nobody managed it. but the fundamental question is not one of occasional regulation, it is, how do you manage a public space with private sector actors in the mix and government as part of the in the general pool. it is a swimming pool that everyone uses. who chooses the lifeguard? it out totract blackwater to run security? how do you control lack or

facebook? joining us forse the conversation. bruce is next. caller: why doesn't the united states get together domestically and internationally and create another component of space laws to create governing the internet? both sides. militarily. economically, why don't we just get law professors and computer science and economists together down at a symposium with the united nations and #something where we can all start regulating this problem? guest: it is a great question.

you may think of it as a rodney king question. why can't we all get along. and more importantly, if there frombvious then if it's cooperating, if everybody tried to drive on one road or the other, nobody would get anywhere and there would be tens of accidents. so having a set of rules in which in this country, you drive , easy.de of the road the internet, the same thing. it should be possible to have lots of benefits and we should be able to develop common sense intelligence, mutually beneficial rules of the road. the problem is that people are people. they don't trust each other. when they form into groups they fight with other groups and everybody thinks everybody is out to screw them. and soon, the wonderful discussions that you just talked about where everybody gets

together to decide how to regulate this or the common good, if that project works well -- and it did for a while. things can move forward but if it starts to break down as it has been breaking down in the last decade or so then people start to say, is it really worth reading founding a global consensus? because these guys are not my partners or friends. let's screw that and create our own private system over here and start again fresh? danger is that people get so frustrated from what you just said not happening that they give up on the attempt to do a common sense good for all and retreat into private, smaller bubbles which provide some benefits but not the real benefits of the digital alllution -- to connect us

in potentially beneficial ways. host: from new hampshire, this is ron. caller: i'm honored to speak with you this morning. washington journal, you guys rock. you always have the best experts learn from.o anst: c-span is international resource. caller: it is. china doesn't bother me. if they want to have their own internet, that's fine. you won't get the benefits of worldwide internet traffic. but russia is a different story. russia -- vladimir putin -- and i learned this on c-span -- putin said that whoever rules the internet rules the world. bombsle we spend money on

and guns, they are putting a bunch of money into running the internet. you made the comparison of the internet being a giant highway. without police, you have a lot wrecks and speeding and not obeying the laws. i think our internet could use police. russia is using their internet and money to rule the internet -- it scares me because could we shut them down? some of these people are bad actors and if they act badly and mess with infrastructure, do we have the capability to shut them down and stop them from doing damage? host: thank you. guest: do we have the capability to shut them down?

we have the capability to fight some threats but do we have the will? characterize the situation well but you flipped the positions of the major actors on the other side. i don't fear the russians as much as i fear the chinese in the long run. because russia just doesn't have a lot of power. a have a decent amount of power in the existing present. there are a strong, regional presence. a have a strong military space. -- off area terry and leader of authoritariany an authoritarian leader. the chinese are growing so fast

and have managed their rise so well and have such extraordinary potential and have managed their regional future in the last couple of decades so intelligently that they are the real challenge to be the to the united states. not russia. if you think about the u.s. infrastructure as building cassidy- they are which -- the russians are like butch cassidy. for thepain in the butt pacific railroad. but the russians are not going to create a new railroad. the chinese will come in and orher buy up the railroad simply create a new railroad and say, come on but play by our rules. so the russian threat in the

short term of hackers and warfare, and weaponize that his them skirmishing on the margins. whereas the chinese development of a full scale, major new internet down the road, we will be sitting in a little bubble here whereas the asian internet is the main story. that is the interesting question of what happens 30 years from now. questions on the story " world war web." joined us for this discussion. thank you for this time. guest: there is a lot of great stuff in this issue. the middle east.

there is a great that argues that right and left in america -- what is happening with the internet is happening with the american domestic political sphere as well. in which a common universal sphere is raking down into petty groups that cater to themselves with a breakdown of liberal universalism. .ost: got you thank you for your time. phones for the next 20 minutes or so. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8000, democrats. independent02 voters. we will be right back. 8:00 p.m., the resurgent gathering meeting in platform social media

bias and proficiency requirements on cars. >> people should be free to buy the car that works for them. it shouldn't be second-guessed by washington or sacramento. and that is a big deal about rule. the administration is taking away california's ability to set the fuel economy standards which is completely inappropriate. be live for a "make america great again" rally in charleston, virginia. watch on c-span and c-span.org and listen on the radio mobile app. >> sunday night on q and a. jeffrey rosen talks about his biography of william howard taft. >> he never learned politics. , i will notaide

play a part for popularity. if people want to reject me, that is their prerogative. view. a madisonian madison and hamilton believed maturity should rule but slowly and thoughtfully over time. passionn rather than can prevail. so taft set up to slow the expression so the government could be governed in public interest rather than factions. night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q and a. >> "washington journal" continues. host: (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8000, democrats.

(202) 748-8002 independent voters. you can post on our facebook page. if you go to the fox news site there is a story by the concord monitor, a political reporter talking about stormy daniels' thinking about a white house run. good morning. the testing of the waters continues. last weekend he was in iowa and then new hampshire where they hold the first primary. host: talk a little bit about the event that he attended. what did he say and what was the response? he attended the hillsboro county democrats picnic which was going to be a sleepy affair but two weeks ago when we learned that michael of the

avenatti was going to be there, they sold a lot more tickets. democrats one to help , he succeeded there. avenatti, a lot of americans know him because he is on tv all the time. it energizes a lot of democrats. his question was this. it is time to fight fire with fire. he said that next political election will be ap brutal -- will be a brutal knockdown street fight. and his message is that if somebody isn't up for that type of campaign than they need to not seek the nomination. host: what has to go into consideration if he decides to make a run for 2020?

iest: i asked him that and said, what will be the deciding factor? themid family is one of and he wants to see if there is another candidate out there who could take the fight to trump. if he feels there is somebody else who can do that then maybe he won't run but his appearance and demeanor yesterday and it all has the trappings of somebody seriously considering a white house run. he got a good response from the crowd. he spoke to a lot of democratic activists there afterwards. some may have an issue with the fact that he doesn't have a lot of experience but they are energized by donald trump to get him out of office. so they like the idea of somebody talking tough against trump. he did a variation on the famous line from michelle obama -- "when they go low, we go high."

he said "when they go low, we go harder." he also did a riff on trump's campaign line "let's make america great again." he said "let's make america gracious again." ." he is obviously comfortable settings.n public he didn't let us down yesterday. he put on a good show for the activists and the media. host: aside from criticism of trump, does he offer policy and where he stands on issues and revelation of what he stands for? guest: that's a great question. because we all know him as the attorney. he wasst of all he said, in politics for years. he worked on 100 30 campaigns in over 30 states before becoming a

lawyer. and policy, he went into that. if you are running for office now as a democrat you have to say this. he would push for medicare for all. pushing for passage of the equal rights amendment, something going on for decades. more pay for teachers, which is something that democrats hit on. the education system, the key is to pay our teachers more money. and he talked about immigration saying that we need secure borders but we don't need to get rid of our principles. trump,very critical of as you said. he called him slow, not very intelligent. he said that if you were to face trump, he would be the clear victor. we will see him in new hampshire in september and he said this week he is going back to iowa. so he is going to the right places. reporterl steinhauser

for the concord monitor. from new hampshire, giving us that detail of the appearance. thank you for the time. role that into open phones. you can talk about other topics. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8000, democrats. , independent2 voters. this is in the journal this morning about the president's impact on top military leaders. saying that trump is expected to nominate richard clarke to head the command in florida. the operations command oversees special forces such as the navy seals, green berets and others. the marine lieutenant general is

expected to succeed army general joseph o tell. the command is considered the most prominent in the military with responsibility for the middle east. that story is in the wall street journal this morning. let's hear from lynn in virginia, independent line. caller: during the last segment you and the guests brushed off a comment about a gentleman from hawaii. he was trying to talk about the health effect from wireless radiation. radiofrequency, wireless radiation that we are marinating ourselves in. i know the discussion was about the internet, but how to many people access the internet? device suchreless as a cell phone or they use a wifry router. organizationlth

has weighed in on this. the telecommunications industry is making a lot of money and they are wargaming the science. there is credible science from italy, from belgium, from the united states, the national toxicology program, and it has been peer-reviewed, that there are health effects from wireless radiation beyond the thermal effects the fcc tests for on a plastic head filled with fluid. the internet of things will which means a mini cell tower every 50 feet. do people know there is a warning in their cell phone -- look it up. a mere in los angeles california. soundedyour last caller like a professional analyst. michael avenatti once to fight

fire with fire. if trump is fire, it looks like the media is fighting fire with wind. if michael avenatti is fighting fire with fire, i think the democrats need water to fight fire. .lso internet regulations do you think the regulation of the internet will lead to the death of the internet? i do. host: robert is next up from california. republican line. , i thinkirst of all the michael avanti discussion is not newsworthy. the second thing -- can you hear me? the second thing is how you spell collusion? or an james bruce comey. it is look at the lineup,

so interconnected and how that bruce ohr continued to contact .he gentleman over in england i forget his last name. in employment was by fusion and gps. i think that needs to get investigated immediately. i think congress should bring bruce ohr in front of them. host: that is robert in stockton, california. about 12 minutes on the open phones. republicans,1 democrats (202) 748-8000, and independents (202) 748-8002. nbc and others reporting about pope francis, a letter begging for forgiveness saying catholic leaders were brain following a

-- were to blame following a grand jury report that -- with shame and repentance week the knowledge the a quizzical community that we were not where we should have been and were not acting in a timely manner, realizing the magnitude and the gravity of the damage done to so many lives. that is some of the other news making an impact. if you go to the pages of the washington post, a story about reunification, or meetings between families in north korea and south korea. feelings along with that. the reunion program began in 1985 and stalled and then got underway at the turn of the millennium. 7000 southe than koreans have taken parts in more than 20 many things sing the relatives in person. more than a hundred 30,000 have registered as members of the program and more than half of

them died before getting ready to see the relative again, many on the waiting lists older than 90. on sunday, the south koreans gathered in a city for briefs on how to behave and what they can and cannot say before traveling across the border to a north korean resort. southern participants are -- are advised not to criticize the north korean leadership in case it causes problems for the relatives and if their counterparts start making political statements, purchase of bins are advised to leave the conversation to .nother topic gives of a propaganda type nature should be politely refused. we will your next from ohio. independent line. caller: newsweek reported that eric prince, whose blackwater killed many civilians in new

orleans wants to privatize the afghanistan war and become its chief profiteer. news also reports trump is considering this, which illustrates the marriage between capitalism and war. one effect of this is that google has been censoring some websites, such as the world socialist website. that is my comment. host: pennsylvania, will hear from paul, independent line. caller: i've a question. you used toears ago be able to deduct interest off our cars and mortgages. whatever happened to that? host: i do not know offhand but to me why you think that is important to bring up. retirees bunch of us get together for breakfast and

we just mentioned that. we cannot figure out why that happened. that is all. host: if it is still continuing on, or -- is that a significant figure moneywise for you and the people you talk about? anytime with your mortgage if you could take that out of your income tax, you can get a refund. host: probably people more experience than i might be able to answer that question for you. martha is next from illinois. democrats line. supporti am bracing my for michael avenatti. host: why do you support him at this stage? debate i think he could trump and put trump in his place and i think you would be good. host: that is martha from illinois.

one of the things that came up during a discussion with a national security adviser john bolton, one of the topics was privatization of forces in afghanistan. another topic that came up was john brennan, particularly statements he is making about classified information. here is ambassador bolton from yesterday. >> there is a line and somebody can cross it. theow from experience in bush administration, i was accused by senior state department officials criticizing the administration's policy on north korea and using classified information. he was half right. i was criticizing the bush administration but i was not using classified information. had i been, it would have been a different story. >> i assume john brennan said the same thing. have been fine if

president obama had revoke your security clearance? i did not use classified information there. there is a line, and i think it is clear some people can cross it. >> you are sure whether john brennan used classified information? >> in terms of what he said since he left, i think a number of people have commented he cannot be in the position he is in of criticizing president trump and his collusion with russia unless he did use classified information. i do not know the specifics. i do know when he was the director of the cia i was very troubled by his conduct, by statements he made in public and what i thought was his politicization of the intelligence community. >> the line for you is people who should have their security clearance revoked as if they -- >> i think there are a lot of grounds.

behavior that calls into question your ability to hold the behavior in confidence. host: the lead story for the washington post talking about john brennan talking about going to court. as you are looking at that, we'll go to our next call. cecil in florida. independent line. caller: i am not a democrat. i'm a republican. i think we ought to be more afraid of china than we are of russia. china is taking all of our technology. they note exactly what we are doing, more so than the russians. another thing -- i've does go more things. -- i have two things. we need more vo-tech and less colleges. people go to college to hold a stop sign. if you want to vo-tech you could

be a plumber before you go through $100,000 in debt. this marijuana stuff. you can sell it over the pharmacy or whatever. you do not have to smoke it. half of our children today are coming out of mothers that are unwed and on drugs and these kids are having a problem in school because their mothers have drugs. people do not get married anymore. host: the president is speaking at a ceremony honoring customs and border security agencies. that will be at the white house. you can see that on c-span at 3:00 this afternoon. the first lady also participating in a cyber bullying prevention summit. you can watch that on c-span two. if you go to the washington post, a story about a former speechwriter for president

trump. he was a visiting instructor at duke university before joining the white house speechwriting after hehe was fired appeared at a conference in 2016. a regularly promises -- regular publishes work by white nationalists and others on the radical right. once white house officials were informed, he was confronted an urge to step down immediately. he refused to step down, arguing he was not racist and that he had made uncontroversial academic points at the gathering. from louisiana, independent line, david is next. caller: hello? i would make a comment about the pope and the situation with

these pedophiles in the catholic church. i am a catholic. i'm a traditionalist. i do not know what they expect to get out these seminaries when all they bring in his homosexuals. you are disqualified if you're a normal person. the pope. that is a joke. that fellow is a joke. host: that is david in louisiana. if you go to the new york times, a story about lincoln memorabilia being up for sale, saying it was in 2007 when a private abraham lincoln presidential library borrowed $23 million to buy an expansive collection of lincoln artifacts. the than a decade later, foundation has more than $9 million remaining on the loan according to the foundation's chief executive. other headliners and the collection of artifacts include

locks of lincoln's hair, unpublished letters, pages with sprawled arithmetic when he was a boy and the quill that shone on his desk that i he was shot in 1865. the foundation has tried to raise money by playing with potential donors and asking government officials to disburse millions of dollars in grants to save the collection. the foundation staff began a fundraiser in may, which has gotten owner -- only a fraction of the funds needed before the loan must be paid in full in 2019. caller: thank you, c-span. can you hear me ok? we forgotfew things john brennan voted for the communist party in the 1980's and did not reveal until his lie detector test he was in the cia. remember that in 2014 dianne feinstein chastised him for

on a congressional committee for violating separation of branches. let us also not forget that during the obama administration we had lots of leakers, some of them were from john brennan. one of the text, i'm not sure if it was in wikileaks, about how the cia cannot really recognize hackers but they can also make it look like somebody else hacked. i think john brennan has been working against this country for many years. host: that is tim in lakeview, arkansas. coming up, we will joined by author matthew hennessy. he says millennials are shaping the current society and he is concerned with that. he is the author of the book "zero hour for gen x: how the last adult generation can save american from millenials."

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the tumultuous liberation of wireless technology from herbert hoover to the smartphone. >> we have only scratched the surface in terms of how much spectrum we have put out in this liberal way. the majority of the airwaves are still squandered. they are allocated to things that were set aside 50 or 60 years ago. the technologies are gone, the applications are moved but we are blocking new stuff. we need to come up with better mechanisms. a lot of my book is devoting to talk about things regulators can do to unleash more of what we to come in without the micromanagement of the federal communications commission in washington. communicators" tonight at 8:00 on c-span two. journal"ngton continues. ast: matthew hennessy is

member of the wall street journal and serves as an associate editorial editor. he is also the author of the book "zero hour for gen x: how the last adult generation can save american from millenials." good morning. why is saving needed? guest: you can see every morning when you open up the newspaper. it is millennials this, millennials that. i use the term in the demographic term but as a proxy for what i see as the ill effect of technology on all of our lives. part of the reason i wrote the book was i noticed i was getting distracted all of the time by my phone in situations i do not want to be distracted in. i wanted to analyze that and what i found when talking to people my own age as there was a lot of anxiety about that. and i spoke to younger people, people we call millennials, i did not detect anxiety about it so i wanted to explore that and see if i cannot figure a way back from the digital distraction that was plaguing me. host: aside from the digital part, you wrote this.

this is a moment when members of generation x should be setting the national agenda. we should be entering political and national influence. if we do not act, the millennial generation will sweep generation x overboard. how did you come to that conclusion? function of a numbers. generation x is a small group of people compared to the generation before and after. i have this vision in my mind of , who have outrs stayed there welcome, let's put it that way. the president is a baby boomer. every major institution in the united states is run by baby boomers. i have vision of them passing the torch to millennials. i'm speaking figuratively and i'm being dramatic for affect. in individual cases that is not what is going to happen. as a way of illustrating my approach to this issue, i thought that was a good visual. host: when it comes to current

society, power millennial shaping it, what are the main concerns aside from the digital part of it? guest: i'm concerned about the changes in attitudes. the approach to technology is important and i do not want to skip it. i am concerned about paying for things. i'm concerned about waiting for things. these are the main things i've noticed have changed in american life in the last 10 years. host: give an example. guest: i work in the newspaper business. that has been well documented that newspapers are going away in part because people find it annoying to pay for the content they consume. 10 to 15 years ago we saw that same revolution taking place in the music industry. you have a 25-year-old or a whyear-old, they do not see they have to pay for stuff when it is all online for free. that stuck me as a fundamental shift. i do not think anyone who grew

up in the 1970's or 1980's would dispute the relationship between the quality of the media you consume and what you pay for it, c-span notwithstanding. host: notwithstanding. host: you're saying this is more of a mindset that has you concerned? guest: when i talk to them i do not get the sense they are at all concerned from the drift of society away from a face-to-face world or a handshake world to a digital world. they are comfortable moving every aspect of interpersonal and professional relationships online or onto the phone. sayings survey research millennials are far more comfortable texting, would much rather text someone than speak to them on the phone and in person. that struck me as something worth commenting on. we note in our daily lives -- it is not in dispute. in some cases we are swept away with it as well. i do not have anything personal against millennials.

not lovemy meals do this line of reasoning and i get pushed back and that is fine and i hope to get some this morning. there are a lot of people who say this is bogus. even discussing people in these terms is a waste of time. it is an artificial construct, this idea of generations, and i'm sensitive to that, and i make the point of saying i understand the limits of this kind of analysis but i do not see there is any less value in talking about issues this way that in discussing people in terms of their racial or socioeconomic -- their background. say at the election time white working-class voters do this, college-educated voters do this, i am simply using the vocabulary. host: our guest is with us. "zero hour for gen x: how the last adult generation can save american from millenials." that is the topic for the remainder of our time.

we have divided the lines differently. if you were born before 1965, (202) 748-8000, if you are born between 1965 and 1980, (202) , and if you're born after, and if you're born after 1980, (202) 748-8002. there's a lot of concern dater prior toe world war -- and the millennial generation is between 1980 at the turn-of-the-century. that is the kind of -- a lot of people are concerned with them

doing their job. the millennials, that is such a millennials, that is such a big -- they are gigantic.

caller: good morning. you are mentioning that the men on kneels don't have to -- millennials feel they don't have

to pay for music online. they should be entitled to a basic national income. it seems to me that one of the reasons that bernie is so attractive to them is because he is telling them that they are entitled to all of this stuff you and i had to work for in life. that is why they are so attracted to socialism, despite the fact that what is happening in venezuela, for example, where the country is collapsing. you just have to take a trip down to venezuela to see the ism.lts of social the results have always been the same. everybody ends up poor and people lose their freedom.

the government destroys the incentive for people to be industrious and enterprising. guest: i don't disagree with most of what you said. into a want to turn this left and right thing. we know the story about younger people. they tend to be like more to the left. as you get older, you tend to drift to the right. into a left and right thing. not in all cases. it is so popular among people who are millennials, people around the age of 30 and below. i tie it to the ease of which problems can be solved online, on the internet, via all of the gizmos and gadgets silicon

valley has been offering young people in the all immersive way that it has shaped their lives. if you grew up in a world in a problemcould solve at school or a problem in your personal life, or you could text your parents instantly, you are constantly in touch, you had all of this ability -- and more than just the ability, the faith that some sort of technology could solve their problems, i think you become impatient with problems that are difficult, and that will require a longer time. to solve. -- time period to solve. if i'm going to diagnose anything with millennials in the political system, that is what i tie it to. all-encompassing belief that problems should be solvable.

what is being called socialism looks to be too young people like a solution that all we need to do is flip this button. care,ollege, free health all of this is possible because we are just spending the money on other things. we could have all the good things we want. i think there is an element of conditioning that has gone on. remember -- there was afraid when i was a kid -- the divorce rate peaked in about 1980, a lot of my friends came home to empty houses. there were a lot of single-parent families. you ended up with this generation of people that knew how to take care of themselves. knew how to go out into the neighborhood on a saturday morning or a weekday after school and their parents wouldn't necessarily know where they were.

if you had a quarter in your pocket, you could find a pay phone, but your parents may not have been home. i think that fostered in people like me a kind of reliability and adaptability and resiliency that it is not just me who is saying it, but it has been remarked upon in great detail, has kind of gone missing among the generation that is now moving through their 20's. host: matthew with us. say, in my to ers have little-x loyalty to the people who built their careers, and that is ok. guest: i think that is ok, too. we are all so familiar with this stereotype of a millennial who is really impatient with the jobs they are given to do, constantly wondering, when am i

getting promoted? i know a nonprofit leader who said they had a performance review with a young millennial employee, and the in person said, what have you got planned for me? it is the kind of thing that makes you laugh, if you think about it, but it is so widespread that it has become an issue. i know that there are plenty of hard-working,ic, patient to millennials out there. the military is filled with millennials. they are all around the world and doing wonderful things, and they know how to take orders and do jobs. they're going to come back and reintegrate into their communities and wonderful and positive ways. i am making broad claims for the purposes of gaining people's attention. hello, matthew. the previous caller took a lot of my thunder away.

i want you to comment on the fact that so many of these a freeials believe that college education and free medical care and all of this, they don't seem to realize when they are 40 and 50, they are going to be paying for it instead of supporting their own kids. guest: i work for the editorial page of the wall street journal, so you're not going to hear me advocating for socialized medicine or free college tuition on this program. host: from maryland, angela is next. caller: thanks for writing a book on gen-x. we are not talked about at all in books or online, from what i have researched. i know the baby boomers went from protesters of war, to feminism and their rights, come the 80's, they turned into

the me generation. i will also include the thoughts of kurt this morning. once: i have a friend who said to me the baby boomers went to war on the institutions of the united states of america. on the institutions of the united states of america. that is an extreme statement. i understand what he meant. in a lot of ways, i see a lot of resonance with the impatience of the millennials. millennials have the benefit of that great size and with that same attitude of disruption, welcoming disruption in every the new york city taxicab industry to the hotel industry to the media industry to hollywood to just about every

industry you could think of that is being disrupted because of technology or because of connectedness or because of social media. they appear to welcome it. there is very little in the way of expressed concern. i have been happy this year to note that a lot of people in my pullingeem to have been back a little bit from their gadgets. the steady trickle of news -- that does not always have our best interest at heart. i know a lot of people saying i am not sure this is moving in the direction we thought it was moving and we ought a pump the brakes. i've been pleased to see that. host: when it comes to military

power, only 43% of money was believe that is an important goal. when it comes to american exceptionalism, millennials are less likely to embrace the idea. is that what you're seeing in your writing? chance togives me an make an interesting point which is infrequently remarked upon with regard to generation x. we grew up the ante with the cold war. we do not live in the 1950's .etting under your desk it was there and that anxiety was hanging over us. foraw a red dawn and rocky and there was no doubt in our mind that there were good guys and bad guys out there. miraculously we saw the good guys win in the berlin wall fall and the collapse of communism. i'm not suggesting we were walking around thinking about it all of the time but it naturally

fed into our approach to the world. this basic understanding that not all systems are equal and not all outcomes will be equal in unequal systems. when we see companies like google or apple playing footsie with china and agreeing to do re that we interpret as censorship of the -- or the limiting of information on the nurse -- on the internet, it bothers us deeply. we grew up in the anti-communist 1980's. there is another component of this, which is some of our free speech seems to be a topic that is up for negotiation or discussion among people in their think this's and i takes a lot of people over the age of 40 by surprise. it is deeply concerning because

there was no doubt about it when i was in school and anyone who was my age is free to call and disagree with me. think this takes a lot of people over the notion of freedom of speech, whether online or on the town square or just rambling on a box in front of the capital was nonnegotiable part of being an american citizen. threatenuld credibly it and expect to be considered a friend of liberty and democracy. somehow we've gotten to the point where we have seen on the college campuses this notion of free speech is somehow code for other nefarious political programs. it is shocking to people or are my age. i'm not that old. host: from new york, this is michelle. caller: ima millennial that used to be squeamish and ashamed of that characterization that we are entitled and out of touch. i argue these other generations are the ones out of touch.

we do not need these generations to save america from millennials. millennials are busy saving americans could let's take the baby boomers and their kids. they sustained themselves on the government dime, the g.i. bill, subsidized government housing. free college. jobs that have pensions and benefits. they had all these things for themselves and their kids and left other generations to fend for themselves. they did not work hard to secure these things for the future and for their last track they gave us the international embarrassment that is donald trump. millennials have decided we are going to work on behalf of america and our fun is in city -- our fellow citizens, race and gender aside, we are demanding fair wages and spearheading american innovation. we are fixing the mess these other generations have created.

host: that is michelle. guest: i will take exception with one thing you have said. xers gavers and gen you that world. gen xers have not given you anything. we are in our mid 40's. the baby boomers are refusing to get out of the pool. pass the torchto right over our heads. generation x has little to do with that world you're describing. i am familiar with your argument. the amount of energy you bring to it is quite common among people who are millennials. i know nobody likes to be lumped into a group. nobody wakes up in the morning and says good morning, millennial. i do not know what to tell you.

i do not know how to answer that. host: let's hear from ian in washington, d.c. ist: i wanted -- caller: wanted to comment on some of the characterizations earlier of the millennials wanting free stuff. 1980a gen x or, born in and i are from's -- i'm from southern appalachia. there are many public university systems in the country for decades that have been providing , free college, free university education for their populations. usually you have to maintain a grade point average of 3.0, which is pretty doable. the reality is this type of programs are sustainable, they have been going on. it is easily done.

georgia, tennessee, i barely paid anything for my undergrad. i paid cash for a private top 20 law school education. i have a lot of luxury and being able to do that. school for private my preschooler. i wager i'm paying more for private preschool than many of these older people who are talking about people wanting free stuff for their entire education. host: thanks, color. caller.s, guest: i'm a graduate of hunter college of the city university of new york. tuition there was $3000 a semester. that is $6,000 a year. during my first few semesters there i have almost no income.

i was an adult. i was not living in my parent home, no one was supporting me and i paid almost nothing, through a variety of grants and subsidies that are already in place. what you are pointing at is the confusion that older people tend to have when they hear demands for free college. it is almost free now if you're willing to go to a state school or a city school, if you have those kinds of systems where you live. , itou work hard and show up is almost impossible to not be able to find an affordable undergraduate education. book,you write in the "asking a millennial to critique

the internet is like asking him to disown his hometown, pointing out the flaws and shortcomings of the ways we now live is like inviting him to commit treason." expand on that. guest: to hear you say treason and sounds like i'm not being very nice. what i found is that in talking this, you gett different reactions depending on how old you are. when i talked to baby boomers about this the sense i get is that they are mostly resigned. it is a sense you would get among older people. we do not understand what is happening, we do not know why we have to live in a world where the toaster can talk to the kids are wearing fitbit's connected to the computer that is sending data back to silicon valley. outess it is going to work

and we will just leave it be. i'm being very general. there is resignation about this among the older generation. out and we will just leave it be. this is the way the world is going to be in the future. everyone is going to be in driverless cars and shuttling from here to there with google and all sorts of futuristic things. it will be the jetsons, and that will be fine. remember the way the world was before the internet, are feeling that displacement deeply in an emotional way. i noticed myself changing. i am not capable of doing the things that i used to be able to do quite easily and i'm not sure i love it. i do not think i want my kids to grow up this way. that is where i am at. when you talk to millennials, there is a blitheness about the

technology in their lives. of course these big companies know everything there is to know about me. they are only trying to get me a better user experience when i am online. i do not care they know everything about me. i do not care they know what my dear and preferences. i do not care if they are listening to me at the kitchen table when i'm talking with my , if it means that later on the day i will not be bombarded with irrelevant ads if they can target me with the stuff i really want and they can figure out how to help me live that are and faster and easier. what is the big deal? part of the reason i wrote this book is because i wanted to address that sense of what is the big deal. i use strong line which here and there because i think the threat is quite dire. i speak for myself, by the way,

not for the wall street journal. i am not sure people have fully quickly weard how have gone from a brick and mortar world i grew up in to this always-connected, always-on, always-listening world. it has been about a decade which is a very short period of time. in that time, i'm attesting to this personally, i feel like i have had the wiring of my brain shifted around. first thing in the morning i checked the phone. the last thing before i go to bed i checked the phone. when i'm trying to make pancakes i'm checking the phone. when i am not supposed to be at work i am at work. all these things which would and shocked my grandfather

had him shaking his head and saying why would you want to live that way -- i want to also say i understand it has not all been bad. i understand there are many great benefits to the internet, to these devices. i know disabled people are able to interact and connect with the world in ways they never had before. all good. i am asking people to consider the downside a little more critically than they have. host: from new york, eric is next. caller: thanks for taking my call. i was born in 1963 so i am at the tail end of the baby boom generation. , talkingr growing up about the associate economic dimension -- talking about the socio-economic dimension. one parent has the freedom to stay home and take care of their

kids. it was a different world. parents and kids spent time together. families were attached. late 1970's and 1980's, all of that had changed. after reagan and trickle down economics you have a situation where the middle class began to shrink rapidly. low-wage service jobs. it took does going comes, parent incomes, both parents working. i think millennials are a product of that. i would call that the socio- economic decline of the american middle class. host: that is outside -- guest: that is outside the purview of my book, which is a critical look at the way technology is messing with our heads. i take your point. when you said parents and children spend more time together, i immediately thought -- you've probably seen on the in the, all the kids

backseat with the rise eyes on a devices or those kids in a restaurant. one of my targets is the amazon alexa, which is obviously a popular consumer product and is in a lot of homes but i was thinking in the green room before i came on that a kid only needs to be around one of these things once. if you've ever seen children, the first time they encounter an ipad or an iphone or these amazon alexa's and you see how incredibly they change, almost instantly. the addictive potential of these devices is extraordinary. frequently refer to millennials as digital natives. this idea they are uniquely equipped for the modern world or for the future by future of their upbringing and the , how theyon of it

grew up with these devices and know them intimately. they shape and guide their thinking. a guy like me might have trouble with snapshot or not understand whatever the latest edition of some app is or wire they are all using it. millennials are fascinated with all of it. my concern is i have seen my kids around and amazon alexa and i see how they flip out. i do not mean to throw them under a bus. i think it is a common phenomenon. treating these devices like they are a servant. , auote a woman in the book magazine article, who said people talk to their amazon alexa, you would not talk to a dog that way. if you were to bring a device like that into your home, you are asking for trouble. nativityon of digital term.extremely misleading

it does not mean what you think it means. it is quite negative. if you said to someone i am going to bring an addictive drug in your house and give it to and we will call them digital junkies, you might have a different attitude. you might think twice before bringing these devices in your house. host: more can be found in the book. zero hour for generation x. the author matthew hennessy of the wall street journal. thank you for your time. host: that is it for the program for today. we will bring you another program tomorrow at 7:00. thanks for watching. we will see you then. ♪

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watch on c-span and c-span.org and listen on the free c-span radio app. tonight on the communicators, former fcc chief economist -- talks about his book, the political spectrum, the tumultuous liberation of wireless technology, from herbert hoover to the smart phone. >> we have only scratched the surface in how much spectrum we put out in this way and the great majority of the airwaves that are valuable for communications are still squandered, their allocated to things that were set aside 50 years ago, the technologies are gone, the applications are moved, but -- are moot, but we are blocking. when he to come up with better mechanisms, talking about things regulators can do to unleash even more