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former trump speech writer discusses his new book, the republican workers party. we will talk to bernie sanders presidential campaign manager about the future of the democratic party. ♪ good morning. it is thursday, august 30, the second day of the nation marking the death of janitor -- senator john mccain. today, a memorial service in his adopted state. tomorrow, a service at the -- saturday,tal there will be a memorial service at the national cathedral and sunday, a private burial service in annapolis at the u.s. naval academy. we will have coverage of all the events. go to c-span.org for more details. we want to begin with the catholic church abuse scandal,

the latest news out of pennsylvania, the pope's reaction and what you all think the federal government can and should do. catholics dial in at 202-748-8000. all others, 202-748-8001. also join us on twitter @cspanwj or facebook.com/c-spanwj. we want to know -- or facebook.com/cspan. we want to know your thoughts. marcis martha hamilton -- hamilton and she wrote on fortune.com how to take on the catholic church. create a national commission to investigate clergy abuse. if you -- reform statute of limitation laws, amend laws to allow the catholic church to be sued under the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. do any of you agree with that?

what do you think about those recommendations. here is from the survivors network of those abused by priests. they have been advocated for victims of abuse from the church for decades. it is long past time for the u.s. department of justice to initiate a full-scale nationwide investigation into this systematic rate and sexual -- systematic rape and sexual violence and coverups in the catholic church. survivors have been calling for such investigation at least since 2003 in the wake of the explosive revelations in the boston archdiocese which exposed widespread sexual violence by priests in a cover-up that brief -- reached the highest levels in archdiocese and the vatican. the milwaukee journey sentinel posted this. internal church actions are not enough.

ecclesiastical authorities have shown themselves incapable of being thoroughly transparent, they act only when prodded by the press and government. more secular investigation is needed to cure this festering cancer in the church, which has been in remission in recent years. attorney general of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, set the standard. we need more like him in other states to help pope francis release the church from captivity. are any of those actions -- do you agree with any of those actions laid out by some of these groups? what should the federal response, if any, be? eric in virginia beach. thank you for joining us. what are your thoughts? this is a culture, this goes back to the very beginning of the roman catholic church during caesar and the days where homosexuality was rampant and

they were listing little kids and they were pedophiles -- molesting little kids and they were pedophiles. up to today, it has continued -- church said doesn't believe in god, he is the antichrist. he hasn't said anything about it because he is immoral, he is a pervert. host: have you ever been catholic? are you catholic? n't catholic. ai i have a cousin that was molested by a catholic priest in cleveland, ohio. jim jordan,ernal -- congressman jim jordan is accused of this.

just like you have child trafficking, you have child homosexual, all these illegal things going on. host: let's stick with the church. should the u.s. federal government gets involved? jim jordan, these people when they speak out like they do and talk about everybody else, you need to take a look in the mirror because these are the people -- trump has never been in a church. why don't you talk about that? host: ok, we will stick to the topic. the new york times op-ed sections has a piece by marshy by marcin has a piece hamilton, a professor of practice at the university of pennsylvania and a piece executive of child usa. her piece, there be light in church." she writes the roman classic turkey sex abuse -- roman clergy sexcatholic

placedcandal -- alongside the recent release of an exhaustive or injury report in pennsylvania that describes more than 1000 grotesque abuses and reinforced public sentiment in favor of limiting -- eliminating the statute of limitations for child sex abuse. to pierce the darkness of clerical knowledge and to obtain justice, we need to change the statutes of limitation for these crimes. we must also make clergy members mandated reporters of suspected abuse in every state the way teachers and doctors are ready are. we need to begin to talk about eliminating concessional privilege. even in states that treat clergy members as mandated reporters still may not require reporting and circumstances where the -- all statess

recognize a confessional privilege that can immunize .lergy members from reporting this privilege is not limited to elsewhere,c states conditional privilege can operate as a -- confessional privilege can operate as a high bar for child protection. mary, what do you think should be done? caller: all of the things you suggested i think should be on the table. i think the cover-up is so inbred into the hierarchy of the aurch that -- we need national system to be implemented. i think pennsylvania has set the right standard and i think it

ought to be implemented on a national level. otherwise, the pope, even if he wants to do the right thing, it is going to be the bishops and the cardinals that somehow do it come together to because they have been so ingrained and protecting the hierarchy and not doing the andt thing for the victims it is something i have known about for decades and it has pained me. i wanted to be a nun at one time when i was a young girl and the only thing that kept me from becoming a nun was that i could not trust nor respect the bishops. host: why not? caller: and i could not take the obedience to men i

could not trust nor respect. host: are you still practicing today? caller: yes, i am. host: what is it like when you go to church on sunday? do you question your faith after this latest round of news and what is your priest saying on sunday? diocese published a letter and i don't know what but is going to happen, have seen those letters over the decades. they mean nothing to me because nothing ever happens that is meaningful. words and talk are cheap. they don't follow through. they don't clean house. my feeling is that every bishop that has been involved in any type of cover-up should be removed. host: what about the pope?

should pope francis reside if these allegations that he knew about the bishop going back to 2013, if those allegations are true, should he step down? caller: i don't know whether i am ready for that yet because of if there was ever a pope that i usught had the heart to lead in the right way, it is francis. , am heartbroken that he knew and i am not there yet when it comes to pope francis. there,st not fair -- not but i think that every single cardinal and every single bishop that has been involved in any way should be stripped of

everything. all the titles, they should go back to just plain priest, every single one of them and any financial benefit they gain like salaries, pensions, any of the benefits that go along with the bishopric and the cardinal, that should all be taken away from them and they should all be demoted down to straight priest and be relegated to community service to do penance for the same and the poor ethic -- and the horrific sin of victimization of innocence in children and young adults that were victimized. that is what i think has to happen. host: did you read the testimony from the retired --

excuse me -- caller: did i read what? host: the letter that is on the screen. excuse me. caller: the lettered from the retired -- i have not read it yet. host: ok. sorry. i apologize. something went down the wrong throat. it is 11 pages long, this testimony from a retired vatican ambassador to the u.s. he called for pope francis to resign. i just want to read a little bit if i can from the letter and this is what he had to say. the beauty oftore holiness to the face of the bride of christ, which is

terribly disfigured to so many abominable crimes. we must have the courage to tear down the culture of secrecy and publicly confessed to truths we have kept hidden. we must tear down the conspiracy of silence. conspiracy of silence that in the eyes of the world risks making the church look like a conspiracy of silence not so dissimilar from one that prevails in the mafia. "whatever you have said in the dark shall be proclaimed from the house tops." what do you think? and i wasll, i agree confessional,he ok? and what they were talking about, taking away the secrecy and becausessional

i am also a credential teacher. i am a mandated reporter. that that same concept and that same principle of the mandated reporter must apply to all clergy and i am not just talking about priest, i am talking about nuns, too. all clergy should be required to be trained and to be mandated reporters and if you hear confessional, you can respect the privacy of the confessional for other matters, but if it has to do with sexual any kind of sexual

abuse whatsoever, that right of aside. must be set itt: ok, i will do -- leave there because we have more calls. joe in florida, what do you think? caller: absolutely, they need to step in. the class like church -- catholic church needs to join the trump administration because they know how to cover up their crimes. they have been doing this for many decades, maybe sensory's -- centuries. they just put them somewhere else like some other country, some other state. they are never going to change. host: you are calling for the fbi, a federal investigation into what has happened. caller: absolutely.

they need to be stopped because they are never going to stop read all they do is cover up. the priest need to wear cameras like top spree to put cameras -- like cops. they need to put cameras in churches. this needs to be stopped. host: this is a tweet from one of our viewers. the federal government has no business interfering with the governance of any real church. what do you say? caller: that is the problem because they are so powerful. they cannot be touched, that is why they are abusing. if the government doesn't step in, they are going to continue. it has been happening for decades, for centuries all around the world. host: mark in louisiana, catholic. good morning to you. caller: let me explain this. tell us about this

before weeks -- a few weeks of -- a few weeks before it was actually aired that this would come out and he was very disappointed. he had kids. his wife died and he had become a priest and he said, i would not want any of my children abused and i hope anyone involved in this, it comes out of it comes out in a full investigation and everything. there are a lot of good priests that want there to be a good investigation of this and make sure everything is cleared up, that no child ever gets abused or whatever. i would never trust anybody from the left trying to legislate about our faith because they will do just like with our guns, they will take them away. they will want to attack our faith and i would never trust

anybody like that. i know there are a lot of priests that are good priests and they don't like some of the things that have been going on. it will correct itself. i have faith that it will. i have faith that there are enough good priests to make that happen. the same way we are talking about this, you could talk about abortion clinics around the country that don't get regulated because nobody on the left wants to see what is going on in these abortion clinics, any abuses or less care. that it isrustrating always either about our guns or our faith, it is never about what is happening in abortion clinics or other places that the left cares about, they always come to our side. do youan i ask you,

think the federal government should get involved in this? caller: no because it will get political. i don't need something coming political because we already know how that works when stuff becomes political. we cannot decide anything around this country when things get political. you know that. how do we decide anything when we are this partisan? what planned parenthood was doing with those baby bodies, that is disgusting. host: how do you respond to the previous caller who said the reason why this keeps happening is because the church has this culture of invincibility, they don't think nothing will happen? caller: if you get enough good priests in the church, this will get corrected and that is the truth. if you can get enough good priests, it will get corrected. caller: you are telling me the partisan nature that we have in this country -- that you could

deal with this? there is no way. host: what about pope francis, mark? caller: pope francis. it is like the lady caller said earlier. it is sad that if it is true, but she also said he is a good pope. he wants to make things happen, correct things and if he does, that is what you want. host: do you want him to come out and say yes, this is what i knew and when i knew it? caller: yeah. he could do that. yes, there is nothing wrong about honesty and truth. that is with everything. that is with the media, priests, journalists who have biases and everything. i would like to see everybody on c-span say what their bias is.

whatever your feelings bishop,- as a priest, journalist, reporter, whatever. if you have certain feelings or whatever, say the truth so everybody knows where you stand, you know? host: mark just said if it is true that pope francis new, according to this testimony by , hisormer ambassador excellency carl -- on page seven he writes immediately after pope francis became the pope, he had a meeting with him and immediately after the pope asked me in a deceitful way, what is cardinal mccarrick like? i answered him with complete frankness and with complete naivety. holy father, i don't know if you know cardinal mccarrick, but if you ask the congregation for bishops, there is a dossier this thick about him.

pope benedict ordered him to withdraw to a life of prayer and penance. the pope did not make the slightest comments and did not show any expression of surprise on his face, as if he had known the matter for some time and he immediately changed the subject. what was the pope's purpose in asking that question? he clearly wanted to find out if i was an ally or mccarrick or not. let's go to robert in maryland. good morning to you. caller: good morning to you, greta. as we have listened to some of , i wantedic callers to point out the reason i believe it will not be fixed has more to do with the parishioners in many ways than the actual leadership of the catholic church. let me point out. .our last caller if you notice, he immediately

after talking up out the problem -- about the problem said it will take care of itself and then went to attack the left to get off the subject of what happened. back to that wonderful, nice lady that called at the beginning. you notice how when she said they ought to be strict of --rything -- script up stripped of everything, it wasn't about removing them from the equation altogether and when it comes to protecting the pope if he knew -- if this was youhere else in society, if knew and did it, it would come down on it like crazy. that is what happened with penn state and some of the other places, we begin to recognize that everybody is trying to protect their own institution. if the folks themselves who are catholic still believe that something is ok, how is that

supposed to change anything? understand -- it helps perpetuate the problem by protecting what is yours. host: ok. your in mississippi, thoughts on this question this morning. federal response to the catholic church abuse scandal? caller: my first thought and good morning to everyone and i hope i will have some time because i feel led on this subject by the lord. i have been a christian since i was 19 years old. i have -- would like to say we have separation of church and state. in this country, we should not have a church that is above the law. it should be separated. backif a person would go ,nd study the catholic church

can would see that -- they google it, they can do a study and research the subject and they can see that from the beginning, if you call a man god , you know from the beginning that is wrong. no man is to be a priest to another man. there is only one high priest and that is jesus christ. i feel strongly that the bible will come true for those catholics out there that believe . it is darkness. it is not truth. the bible, the word is there for to read, live by, search, and seek god with all of our hearts and the fact that you have child molestation that has followed the catholic church and if you will research it, you will see constantine was the

great antichrist. if you read in revelation's -- revelations, you can see the great horror of babylon is your catholic church. i don't mean to say that every catholic -- there are wonderful people in every walk of life and every faith. however, there is so much darkness on this earth right now that it is so hard to find the truth, but the truth is here in this world for every man and the truth is not going to a pope. the truth is going to jesus christ. host: ok, janet. in pennsylvania, a catholic. thank you for joining us. what do you think? caller: hello? host: you are on the air. caller: as a priest, i was

involved in hearing the confessions of both members and in 2001, priest and when a priest continued their activity of sexually abusing young confirmation aged boys who , i broke mytar boys seal of confessional and reported it to the local authorities because of the number of victims. hamiltonacted marci and others and the problem really goes all the way to the separation of church and state and confidentiality. murdersconfessions of

that is between me and the know that aple person who has committed the --ders or child sexual abuse i felt it was necessary to and leave it to god's judgment in a situation like murderers. in thee abuse continued hierarchy of the church began to take actions against me saying somebody is talking. so i have been stripped and talked to both congressmen and legislators and senators about this.

the supreme court, chief justice tabor -- ifhosanna i find out the clergy are using separation of church and state, we will revisit on whether there are rights. otherwise, priests and pastors are on their own preview took your vows. covering out you are up child sexual abuse by clergy confidentiality, we will have to revisit. i think it is time protestants and catholics stand up because otherwise they will continue to silence priests. withhoping my case michelle henry and josh shapiro makes it all the way to the supreme court to stop this retaliation against priests who break the oath to help

criminals. that is my statement. host: what role did you have in this investigation by the pennsylvania attorney general? caller: the matter is before the court and the investigation continues. we may brave -- we may be bringing the hierarchy of the protestant church and catholic leaders as well as church leaders here in pennsylvania. i better not preach my confidentiality further by going further. viewersn you tell the what was the reaction from the church when you broke the silence and reported what was happening? who told you that you would be stripped of your priesthood and you no longer could serve?

caller: it went right up to the .hain protestant leaders are under the same things, whether it is lutheran, baptist, presbyterian denominations, they are hiding behind church and state. i never abused a child, and yet and it isn removed not about me. it is about the victims. it's about these young boys and girls and women that are abused when they go before their lord jesus and confess their sins and what troubles them and a clergyman uses that, jokes about .t with other clergy

we all know what is going on. we are all told that if you testify, your career is over and your profession is over and there is no future for you in the church. because i broke my confessional tenet, the hierarchy simply says it you are going to hell, you are bringing down the whole church. no, the sinful abuse of children is bringing down the church. the sins of the priests covering up for other priests has got to end and if it means losing congressional privilege, so be it. i don't think jesus christ once to associate with pedophiles. host: do you believe pope francis new or knows about some of these allegations and do you think he should step down? should steplieve he

down because he is putting the institution above jesus and his personal relationship with jesus. you cannot serve and be elected and chosen by the people and our --d jesus christ to cover up there are covers of a multitude of sins and god in jesus christ's blood paid for all sinners. he did not cover art up -- cover n nop, he said don't si more. got to it and it has stop or the women and children -- it goes to the whole area of life,ting of sanctity of

of the whole vision of human trafficking and women and children's abuse around the world. in jesus christ, there is no male or female or age, we are all souls and only through our faith in jesus christ do we become saints when he forgives us. .e can forgive the priests i encourage my fellow priests to become mandatory reporters and step up and lead their parishes and out these pedophile priests. if it goes all the way to the pope in the cover-up, it is time for him to step down. host: that is terry in pennsylvania. in california. what should your response be to the catholic abuse scandal? caller: i would like to quickly

thank all the amazing callers for chiming in with their insight. especially the caller from pennsylvania and mary from bakersfield. that humanity is refreshing to hear. i wanted to expound on mary's comments. the new york times article mentioned this morning talks about the religious lobbyists actively fighting the mandated reporting that could prevent sexual abuse. it says the vatican only requires the clergy to engage in reporting where the law requires it, but not in every state. i response to mark's comment, believe he was the caller from louisiana, i would like to respectfully disagree with him -- he talked about not getting the law involved. this shows because the vatican is engaging in mandated reporting where the law requires it that the law -- getting the law involved, getting the federal government involved would be an incentive toward the

church making necessary and positive change. this is about the victims. what has gone on is horrific. some of the descriptions of what the priests have engaged in is incredibly graphic. one priest engaged in sexual abuse that caused spinal injuries to the victim and the victim later died of a drug overdose. fying to read and the worst of the worst will invoke god or jesus christ as a justification for their actions. it might be time to bring in some outside intervention. due to the statute of limitations expiring, i am not sure what can be done. hamilton in a piece she wrote on fortune.com says we need to reform the statute of limitation laws and she says it in the new york times today. she is saying most victims don't

tell anyone and, on average, until they are in their early 50's. caller: right and it is because there is a culture of silence. they cannot talk about this to the priest. sometimes these kids will be ordered to talk about what happened to the very same priest that committed the sexual abuse. if these are powerless kids and probably do not know how to articulate what has happened to them and if they talk about it later, they will feel ashamed. they are so powerless and the priest gets to walk around as if everything is fine. and the kids are the ones who suffer, horribly, and i think it is it -- it is within the power of the church to get the ball rolling within their vast network of connections and resources. i think the church can do something.

host: the vatican's response to the pennsylvania grand jury report that i think you were --erencing about the details there are two words that can express the feelings faced with this horrible crime. working of the investigating grand jury of pennsylvania and a lengthy interim report. condemns the sexual abuse of minors. the abuses in the report are criminal and morally reprehensible. these acts were the trails of trust. learn hardmust lessons from the past and there should be accountability for abusers and those who committed abuse to occur. -- permitted abuse to occur. the pope recently traveled to ireland and when he got back, according to usa today, pope francis lamented wednesday how irish church authorities failed

to respond to the crimes of sexual abuse, speaking during his first public appearance that he himself covered up for an american cardinal's misdeeds. about his weekend trip to ireland where the abuse scandal has devastated the catholic church's credibility. the final day of the church was overshadowed by the release of a document accusing vatican authorities, including francis, of covering up for x cardinal mccarrick. wasauthor of the document vatican ambassador to the u.s., archbishop carlo mario vigano. we are asking all of you, should there be some sort of federal response to the catholic church scandal? a national commission set up by

congress to investigate. amend laws to allow the catholic church to be sued. those are ideas presented by rc ,amilton, the ceo of child usa an advocacy group for children of abuse. the survivors network of those , are callingests for the department of justice to initiate a full-scale nationwide investigation into the church. do you agree with that? tom is aw york, catholic. thank you for joining us. go ahead. caller: good morning, greta. good morning, c-span. good morning, america. i am a nonpracticing catholic and i am a survivor. i have been impressed by the calls this morning. terry in pennsylvania, you are truly a man of god. the catholic church is out to protect the catholic church.

it does very little for victims and in new york state i think it works against it. i hate to bring politics into it, but it lobbies to prevent a bill being past by the senate -- passed by the republican-controlled senate that would extend the statute of limitations in these types of cases. that is a sin. that is a travesty the church would work actively against victims to prevent legislation moving forward. i was part of the boston case. i was sexually abused by a priest i met in upstate new york and lived with in boston. what happened with that is i joined a global arbitration. they gave me some money and promised me some counseling and pretty much they just forgot about me. i got the money and the counseling dried up and the

shame. there is a lot of shame in what happened to me. there is a lot of shame in me talking about it and i think one of the things that helps the catholic church is that they want to take away your voice. they don't want victims to talk. they don't want victims to come mobilizertal life -- against them. they are not acting as shepherds of the flock. greta: -- host: should the federal government step in? caller: absolutely. forward with my case until about 15 years ago when i was in my early 40's. just a little bit above the -- ahead of the early 50 curve. they definitely should extend the statute of limitations and reporters.ests as

these things break down along political lines and that is a shame. side themselves -- they want to shield the abusers. independent. i became republican and a conservative, but when i see something like this breaking down along political lines where the caller earlier was saying he did not want any legislation from the left. that is ridiculous. the left and right have nothing to do with it. it has to do with our souls, what is good for the soul and america. definitely there should be an investigation. there should be stronger laws and it is too bad that in new york state, for example, they don't do it. ask the questions. i don't know what else to say. it is kind of tough. host: i imagine.

thank you for calling in this morning. we will go to maryland, joel is watching. caller: good morning. say it's a shame how polarized the issue of molesting children has become. i don't think this is a right or left issue at all. i am currently independent and it is a shame you have people -- a couple callers trying to say the left should not get involved or the right should not get involved. the federal government should definitely do an investigation and the church, we need a brand-new pope and we need to let everybody know from the top down and the bottom-up that you must report any behavior to the police immediately. trusted to handle this immediately. it's similar to the police culture.

when all of you are doing the same thing, even the good cops and the good priests get wrapped up in protecting this behavior and the institutions. the doj needs to do a full-scale investigation so we can help these victims and repeal those laws so the statute of limitations can help the victims. will have more calls coming up, but i want to get in some other news and we begin with politics out of new york. yesterday the democratic gubernatorial debate happened with andrew cuomo and the democratic challenger cynthia nixon. blastslasts cuomo and he the president. [video clip] >> my job as governor is to protect new yorkers, whether it is from terrorism or climate change or mother nature. part of the largest threat today

is president trump. he is attacking everything we believe in new york. he is attacking a woman's right to choose, immigration, the rights of working men and women. he is attacking the environment. sedrything we believe, we pas marriage equality. he will roll it back with his supreme court. we passed the toughest gun-control law in the united states of america, the safe act, he will roll it back with his supreme court. he has to be stopped. i am going to fight with him. .e tweets at me weekly i welcome it. did would say donald trump tweet at you about whether or not america was great and you back to down very quickly. you stood up to him about as well as he stood -- stands up to putin. -- we alreadyto

have a corrupt republican in white house, we don't need a corrupt democrat as his main opposition. we need to oppose donald trump not just with rhetoric, but with policy. why have you not expanded access to drivers licenses to undocumented new yorkers if you really care about combating the trump agenda and stopping the mass deportations of new york's undocumented people? this is something you could do by executive order, something i have pledged to do on my first day in office. if you really care about a president that is rolling back obamacare, why haven't you fought harder for single-payer? if you care about women's reproductive health, why have ou prioritized -- host: to watch all of last night's new york democratic

governors debate, you can go to our website, c-span.org. you can find all of our campaign 2018 coverage. another story to share, devos plans to reshape sexual misconduct rules. betsy devos is preparing new rules that would bolster the rights of students accused of e andlt, harassment, rap encourage schools to provide more support for victims. the rules narrowed the definition of sexual harassment, holding schools accountable among -- only for formal complaint and for conduct said to have occurred on the campuses . it would establish a higher legal standard to establish whether schools in properly addressed complaints. that is in the new york times. there is also, in the new york , this-- in usa today headline. they really liked each other with a picture of late senator john mccain and former vice

president joe biden. joe will be paying tribute to his longtime friend today during a ceremony in phoenix. senator mccain was lying in state yesterday in the arizona capitol rotunda. there will be a service for him today. a funeral in phoenix and the family and the body of senator mccain will make its way to the u.s. capital where he will lie in state in the capitol rotunda behind us. there will be a funeral at the national acute to get -- national cathedral where george w. bush and barack obama will be speaking. you can watch all of that if you go to c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. front page of the wall street journal, corporate profits take

off. yearfirms post largest over, field by tax cuts and solid economy. that on the front page of that newspaper. this poll on the front page of usa today. a presidents should submit to questioning of the special counsel. based on what you know, how do you think the house of representatives should consider in pete king president trump? set -- 47%stion, 40 said no, 44% said yes and 9% undecided. back to our conversation with all of you this morning about what, if any, federal response should there be to the catholic church abuse scandal. after the grand jury report, the pope's response to it, and reports we have heard over the years. jd is a catholic in spanish port, pennsylvania --

caller: i have been nearly apoplectic this morning listening to some of the callers and i have watched you through the years and you are an extraordinarily intelligent, good post. i am appalled you let some of these comments go by. it is akin to the guy who suggested violence a few weeks ago. to call the roman catholic ror of babylon is the height of bias. i would like to review what is going on. of course the federal government should not get involved to answer the absolutely installed and really insulting question. anti-catholicism in the united -- the famedrica harvard professor wrote in his book the oldest, most vicious entrenched bias, bigotry in united states of america bar none from the very foundation of

the nation with the pilgrims, there is documented evidence that catholics were forced to shut their mouths like women were forced to and keep quiet. this has gone on for years. something that is not being said . so many things. first of all, the little too bit federal prosecutor schapiro is a secularized jew. he has animist toward catholicism and is trying to make a name for himself by picking on the roman catholic church. the catholic church around the .orld has done phenomenal good right now, what is not being focused on are the many orders working in, nuns, sub-saharan africa, and -- in new guinea and impoverished asian nations and slums, we have medical doctors, nurses who have devoted their lives in beauty.

the accusations that have been proven allegations against roman catholic priests amount to a grand total of 3% that have been documented as true. this is exactly in keeping of the general population of pedophilia in the united states of america. what we are seeing is we are seeing a continuation and perpetuation with the maga trump party comprised largely of evangelical protestants and have found a target in roman catholicism. this is grotesquely unfair and hideous your network is running this question this morning and i guarantee you there will be an onslaught -- to use a metaphor, a jihad against the government if they attempt to once again perform lynchings on roman catholics as has been done for hundreds of years in this country. john f. kennedy, god rest his

troubled soul, had to get up and proclaim he was not going to bring the pope over to run the united states of america. what kind of ludicrous madness is that, i ask you? host: are you saying -- let me ask you this. what do you think should be done about the allegation and if they are true, what should be done within the church? caller: ok, sometimes things are not black and white. some things aren't as simple and stupid as make america great , hollow slogan. some things are consultative. this one is. the catholic church, first of , theas far as jurisdiction question is actually quite absurd because the roman

catholic church is unfortunately too protestant. ror of babylon.r there should be an there is, has then up groups working with vatican and the american catholic church and the australian catholic church around the world to reform from within. one thing that is not being said. you, greta,ed through the iterations of your life. i watched you through your single days, get married, give birth. congratulations, there is a twisted malevolence brought to this thing and that is that here -- if you want to get into numbers and shock value, everyone has become inured to

73 roe v. wade allowing for the execution of in utero human beings. the number of people -- it is horrible that it has happened, but the number of children who have been pedophiled doesn't even compare to one like partial-birth abortion or any form of in utero genocide. everyone becomes so inured by this twisted malevolence that they are focusing on the horror of molestation and leaving out the fact that within the womb, in utero, humans are being denied their civil rights. there is the horror, there is the malevolence. where is the commission investigating that? host: let's hear from gary in maryland. your turn. caller: yes, federal response to the catholic church, i would

againstnforce the laws the catholic church. if that means the fbi has to utilize techniques similar to taking down the mafia for the last 30 years, so be it. enforce the laws against any organization that is doing this. is, whatare what it are their beliefs are, enforce the law just like it says in the bible, give unto caesar what is caesar's and unto god what is god's. host: grace in massachusetts. good morning to you. to you asod morning well. imo roman catholic and the greatest thing about my catholic faith is i believe in the mass and i also believe god is going to do something about this. i am glad it is out in the open.

ago, you think about families and everything was hidden in closets. they have to focus on the children and train the children to be able to have the ability to go to somebody if something , and i, to trust them believe there have to be laws that these people have to go to jail and be tried and if the greatest sin of all, besides hurting the children, is the cover-up. we have coverups in all kinds of government as well as our church . i am sorry. i am for the children and i want to make them stronger. i am an old lady. pastorald great counseling by my church. church.t all of the and in the seminaries, how do

these pedophiles get into the seminaries? i advise people in the seminaries, if they see something, to say something because this has got to stop. we have to protect our children in all phases of society. i pray for that and i pray for my church. we did have the covenant -- cover-up with cardinal law and if there is a cover-up, unfortunately the pope will have to go. those are my feelings. in massachusetts. tyler in maryland, good morning. caller: good morning. host: you are on the air. what do you think? should there be a federal response? caller: greta. my name is ed. i am not tyler. host: ok, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my

call. first of all, the gentleman that just called in that you very respectively gave him plenty of time to express his opinion. i almost threw up, i have got to be honest with you. we are talking about the lowest of lowest human beings. any human that feels they have a right to put their hands on a child has no right to be on this earth. i think there should be no statute of limitation. think they have the right to be protected? the federal government needs to step in. doctor with all those young girls and how long that went on. how long is the catholic church going to tolerate this? they are not catholics. they are hiding in the catholic

church. they are using the catholic church to go after young boys and young girls. no statute of limitations. the government should start an investigation, press charges, prosecute them, put them on. my solution for their punishment tankers,e some old oil flattop those oil tankers and keep them on the oil tankers allow them one hour a day to walk on the deck of that ship with nothing on but a pair of shorts and let them big in the sun. host: we will leave the conversation there. another headline to share before we take a break, justin trudeau, prime minister of canada, says a trade deal is possible by tomorrow, but only if it's good for canada.

the president is saying it is possible there could be a deal and that canada wants to be part of it, potential new nafta could be announced by tomorrow. coming up, we will be joined by former trump speech writer beth h buckley -- f h buckley about his new book. .nd later, jeff weaver we will talk to him about the future of the democratic party. ♪ >> this labor day weekend, american history tv on c-span 3 has three days of featured programming. starting saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, as colorado state university pueblo professor matt harris discusses the anti-slavery movement for the civil war. sunday at 10:00 a.m. on oral

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he was then president, expressing his goal of making the republican party into a worker's party. [video clip] >> the gop will be from now on the party also of the american worker. [applause] >> we have not been given credit for this but if you look at how much bigger our party has gotten during this cycle, during the early days when we had 17 people running the primaries. millions of people were joining. i won't say it was because of me and we have an thatng, powerful party

truly does want to see america be great again and it will see it a lot sooner than you think. we will not answer to donors or special interests but we will serve the citizens of the united states of america. believe me. cooperation. dealing with other countries, getting along with other countries is very important but there is no such thing as a global anthem, a global currency or a global flag. this is the united states of america that i'm representing. host: the republican workers party. is that where the idea was born?

guest: it's cap located. he called it the republican workers party and it meant something. the way to understand the trump campaign, it was a battle fought on two fronts. obviously against hillary clinton it on the other hand also against those other 16 republicans and a kind of official right wing ideology. you heard him talking about workers. in addition to the campaign there was pressure on him to talk about things like ,ntitlements, social welfare and he did not want to go there. where he ended up was the sweet spot american politics, culturally nationalistic, proud of america, but economically middle-of-the-road. that was the winning ticket. host: who is in the republican workers party? what does it look like? guest: a party concerned with giving american jobs. he notion is what exactly

should the government be doing for you. it does not want to reform you. it's not going to teach you morals. it should give you jobs and once we have jobs we can figure things out. after jobs comes marriage, home, family, kids, all the things that civilize. industry arepe of these jobs? where are the jobs? what kinds of jobs are people doing? guest: no particular jobs in particular i hope. you heard him say he did not want to give in to special interests just now. it is not the case that he would want to hopefully favor one industry over another. , he made a big deal about coal miners.

that was very powerful because it plays to a traditional democratic constituency. you go back through american history and there has been this incredible amount of interest in coal miners in places like harlan county. hillary was going out of her way to say we hate coal. trump went out of his way to say i love coal miners. even cannot people like pete seeger talking about which side are you on or the harlan county wars trump wanted to reach out particularly to the people that were most despised in america, the coal miners. host: what about those who cannot find a job? if there is an economic downturn or they just don't have the jobs where they live? guest: once again, this was a battle fought against hillary but also against right-wing ideology, which means if you don't have a job there should be

a safety net waiting for you. americans want that and deserve it. it permits you to step back and leap forward. so it gives you a fresh start. those are things americans want. host: who gets to tap into that safety net? guest: now we get into the details. america has a really generous safety net compared to other countries. onspend more per capita social welfare than just about any other country in the world. like 100 of a mess, federal programs and state programs and city programs. you add it up and we are generous. we should be doing that. trump got that. the other 16 candidates did not. host: does the republican party today get that? guest: the republican party today is in shock. party which is figuring it out.

the congressional party does not know what hit them yet. slowly i think it's coming around. the candidates coming forward in this round of elections are trump people more than in the past so we will see the old awaylican ideologues move and we will see a different kind of republican politicians. it's going to be more like the conservatives and other countries generally. france and england and so forth not ideological, pragmatic and concerned about regular ordinary you wrote in the book that this group of people, this workers party it is liberal on economics like the majority of americans. it is also conservative on the majority, like

of americans. its supporters are nationalists who feel a bond of solidarity with fellow americans. it is the sweet spot in american politics, the place where presidential elections are won. guest: you mention the word nationalist. for some people it is a dirty word. what does nationalism do? nationalism gives you a fellow feeling for other americans. what is it like if you think looking at other americans, you don't divide them by race or religion, don't call them deplorable, supply -- suppose you are allied to all of them. in american nationalist cannot be racist. he can't look down on other people. that is inconsistent with american nationalism. so what happens is you feel a bond of solidarity and in that sense nationalism is progressive. it is not right wing. sadly, the democrats forgot about that, forgot about their

fraternity with all americans. they wanted to divide us up into the last and the deplorable's and in doing that they gave up the best of arguments for social welfare. think about obamacare, the affordable care act. the argument is this is what we owed to fellow americans. i don't own anything to the albanian medical care system. i owed to the american system. is ais why nationalism benign institution or a benign sentiment. host: i encourage viewers to republicans especially. do you agree or agree with this idea of a republican workers party and align yourself with what you've heard so far from frank buckley. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000.

.ndependent, (202) 748-8002 has the president delivered since being in office? guest: it's been a mixed message. largely very positive. politicians with the almighty. compare them with the alternative. ,ompared to where we were average growth of 4%, i can take that just fine. it rolling back regulatory state , i'm happy with that. there are other things. kinds of qualities it took in a personality to persuade people that he was tough. did not have any room for political correctness. that signal toughness but once your president, you govern differently than how you campaigned and we have not quite gotten there. host: the wall street journal, i want to share the front page and get your reaction. u.s. firms post largest

year-over-year gain in six years fueled by tax cuts and solid economy. that is front page of the wall street journal. wrote real wages have remained mostly stagnant despite expanding economy record stock prices soaring corporate profits in a giant deficit fuel stimulus from trumps tech cuts -- tax cuts. the trumpet ministration claimed its policies would boost wages with its tax overhaul increasing average pay. that has not happened. what do you say to critics who say corporations are getting richer but people are not seeing their wages increase? guest: first of all we are seeing more people working. that began under obama. but finallycovery the business cycle took over. unemployment rates went down in continue to go down. the best form of welfare is get a job.

, we're waiting for that to happen. officebeen 18 months in so we are still waiting. host: let's hear from our callers. rich in florida, democrats. buckley, what part on you understand that the people out here in mainstreet america aren't making any more money. the huge corporations and billionaires are doing fine. giving them tax breaks -- trickle down is not trickle. onould like your comment that. i could think of a lot more things i'd like to ask. the real oxymoron is republican workers party. they have not helped the workers at all. guest: that is a partisan point. that is fair game.

remember that what i said was what trump was doing was taking on the entire republican establishment. that was a revolution in american politics. the main revolution that happened in 2016 and that is where he ended up where he did. and he did it by essentially stealing democratic themes the democrats had given up. identify myself as a bit of a jfk liberal. somebody who would be really conservative today. that is basically were trump ended up. we're waiting for wages to take off, i think they will. it is early in the game. let's take a look at what has happened with americans getting back to work. that is a big one right now. host: talk about the themes president trump stole as you say from the democratic party that won him the election. guest: one was a kind of

cultural nationalism which was abandoned by the elite in the democratic party. the democratic party was no longer the party of tip o'neill, let alone john kennedy. it was a party that had its own rather narrow interests which cater toward its elite. what trump said is i'm here for jobs, you can have transgender bathrooms. you get your elite issues but let's get down to meat and potatoes. that used to be the democrats. they are more interested in a bunch of other things that have nothing to do with ordinary concerns of ordinary americans. host: with a republican workers party for unions? guest: it was for private unions. aremessage was these workers, honorable people. public sector is something else. host: what you mean? sost: public-sector was

deeply a branch of the democratic party, taking on issues that have nothing much to do with the concerns of ordinary workers. it was a party that was concerned about things like abortion and what not. to thesigned on entirely democratic party that had lost touch with its base. the base of the democratic party should not be federal workers in washington. host: let's go to william, a republican. on this republican party has changed a little bit. i think before it is to be just a millionaire but now it is just here for billionaires. , coal is a dead industry. everything is going to solar and nuclear and electric.

.e are just wasting our time putting ourselves and a trick only an era -- in a trick only in -- trump is fiddling or tweeting like -- and the west is ablaze. is atf the mississippi flood stage of apocalyptic portions. to me he's dick cheney on steroids. guest: were you calling on the republican line just now? caller: i am a republican but i'm not for trump. guest: i gather. you've identified a bunch of issues which i've described as issues of an elite democratic party. and what i said was the truck message was we are not going to put all of our money on things like climate change. we're going to put our money on getting jobs back. host: has he done that to you think? guest: yeah.

the economy is roaring and jobs are coming back. host: from where? guest: all over the economy including manufacturing. host: michael on the line for democrats. caller: what do you think about some of the republicans who are the heads of state saying that you must work in order to get ?enefits host: are you talking about work requirements for welfare? caller: correct. guest: work requirements for welfare is authority issue. in general the very simple program here is the really generous to people who need assistance and if you really don't need assistance you should

beginning a job. that is the goal. how it works out in details in states is something i cannot speak to. host: georges in bloomington, illinois, republican. caller: good morning mr. buckley. a most important subject and very interesting that mr. buckley has written a book of this title. very appropriate title in many ways. when i was in college, which was more than 50 years ago, i had a liberal professor of history. brilliant, phd, cap the priest, with favorable opinion -- richard hofstadter for having said abraham lincoln never lived to see the republican party that he founded

become the jackal of big business. i did not like father smith saying that. it did not comport with my views even then even though i was still a democrat at that point. we've had some significant changes. caused mr. buckley to write this apparently very interesting book which i intend to purchase. asked mr. buckley not only about his opinion about mr. hofstetter's comment and whether or not that was ever true and if so how true is it now. also, the supreme court case that came down back in june here

unionizeds concerning government workers. appreciate mr. buckley's comment on that. , ast: on the last point moment ago i distinguished between private-sector unions and -- which the trump campaign reached out to and wanted signal we were on your side and public sector unions. that is exactly what you said. on your former point of big , you don't help the american worker by beating up on american employers, but remember 2016 was also an election run against the clinton cash machine. so corruption was an issue.

if you go back to 2015, all the newspapers we are talking about, the hillary clinton's, state department and the clinton cash machine and difficulty of distinguishing them. that was on the ballot. that kinded against of crony capitalism. we have not seen much action on that front. i think it's usually important. i don't think we hate big business but we hate corporate corruption. we hate the way in which interest groups write 1000 page bills and 30,000 pages of regulations. we would like all of that the stop. it's beginning to stop. at the regulation level. and we want to make sure that continues. host: what role did you play in

the presidential campaign as speechwriter and can you give us some lines that the president said that might sound familiar to all of us that you wrote? with someid draft associates. my wife for example. and bob terrell and presented them to people on the campaign. .teve miller, jared kushner i wrote some speeches for the convention on transition i advised on foreign policy essentially. , the that came out of it lines that were delivered were lines written by donald trump in the end. the speechwriter is not all that important. he just thinks he is. how did then candidate trump all about deciding how he would say something? did he write it down or did it just come to him?

level there was a polished script given to him and he would take it and mark it up with a felt pen. a lot of stuff remained and some stuff did not. for example, i was more pro-russia then he was back in 2016i thought it would be neat if we could start to police the russians and get them to back off from all their misdeeds and that is what a deal with the russians looked like in the spring of 2016 and i would've pushed that further. i'm happy that we are reaching out to the russians now. i don't think there's a russian scandal of any kind. host: his book is how the trump victory drove everyone crazy and why it was just what we needed, the republican workers party. debbie in flint, michigan.

caller: good morning greta. good morning mr. buckley. thanks for taking my call. the first point is you showed the clip of trump saying he was not going to take any lobbyist or donor money but let's recall right after the parkland shootings he met with the nra and changed his tune. he does listen to donors. out --kley, you pointed as a speechwriter for the trumps , i believe you participate in many of the lies that the republicans are telling. the last was the tax break. 83% of that went to the 1%. another big lie is this looming economy that a lot of it is based on these pass-throughs coming back and the buybacks. the buybacks that the ceos are taking advantage of is inflating the stock market so all the lies that the republicans have told over the years about the

clintons, and i'm glad you pointed out the foundation, because you guys have been rapping about this foundation and the cash cow and the cash flow and you never proven one iota and i'm sick of you lying about the clintons honestly. host: let's get a response. guest: one thing we can do to make a conversation more civilized is generally not that the accusations around. to theeally degrading conversation and frankly i don't think that was appropriate. it's best one understands the truth. let me refer to one of the things you said. nothing wrong with stock buybacks. stock buybacks have the effect of signaling to the market that affirm is undervalued and if you are stockholder it's great stuff. nothing wrong with that at all. independent. hello

shirley. things i have so many need to talk about. one thing i'm so happy president and it'sour president terrible to see the way people talk about him. i voted for him and i would again if i live long enough. the thing i'm calling about, you are all leaving out the senior citizens which i am. it's really hard for a couple. my husband paid in thousands of dollars for all kinds of taxes. but when you retire and there's both of you drawing social security check you can make it fine. when he died, it left me in bad .hape hospital bills, open-heart surgery and humans lived eight months. i got myself in trouble and this

is what i want to tell you to try to watch out for is this reverse mortgage. i did that and now they're going to sell my house. -- they arehing saying i did this and i did that. i could not afford an attorney. they just keep going on like a bulldozer. -- i paid myroves taxes, insurance, i kept my house up. i've been here almost 60 years. i did not go into this reverse mortgage. everything they say on their is a big lie. host: i'm sorry to hear about your situation. guest: i'm very sorry as well. i officially wrote myself out of the right wing by supporting single-payer. there are a lot of ways of doing it.

told jared most of my life i live -- host: you're talking about jared kushner? guest: right. i said the canadian system does not work as badly as people say it does. there are a lot of things you can do to make it better. very shortly afterward trump said i hear good things about the canadian system. i hear it works pretty well, we can do better. what he said in the end is i just don't want to repeal obama care, i want to replace it with something better. that is where we should be. this is consistent with what i've been saying. being a nationalist means you're an economic nationalist and you want to take care of ordinary americans and with that goes health care. host: patricia, democrat dade city, florida.

caller: it's a shame for that poor woman in arkansas. but it is not only in arkansas it is the southern states. ith an economic divide today is grossly out of control. work. need to all of us, no matter what the age, what we did, we've lost our jobs in this economy. today there is a report out 30.6% of people over the age of 55 are still out of work. it was done by a professor in new jersey in rutgers university and put out in december of 2017. i courage everybody who does not understand what's going on to look it up. it consists of 89 pages and its really damning. if you know mr. trump personally served, tell him to travel to the south, besides going to the golf course that he owns on the east side of the state of florida.

take a good look at what's going on. just the other day -- her point mr. buckley. she is reiterating what the previous caller said about the older americans, whether they are approaching retirement or they are in retirement and they either don't have a job or are not making ends meet with social security and other programs. guest: i agree that it is a national tragedy and we would like to do something about it. what you cannot do at the governmental level is turn a switch and give jobs to people. the best thing you can do is create a vibrant economy. that is all we can hope for in government and that's what we got. we have an economy going gang busters now for the first time in a long time. is at ane by employers 18 year high and that is the

kind of way we dig our way out of it. i would love to see all of us --n around fast we are doing the government is doing the best it can. host: where has the republican leadership in congress not followed the principles that you lay out in this book for republican workers party? guest: the leadership is influenced importantly by a small group of conservative intellectuals, libertarians, no taxes, that type of thing. that is inconsistent with the trump message so there's a disconnect right now and they have not quite gotten it. somebody asked all the republican candidates supposing we raise taxes on people making over $250,000 but in return we got rid of every wretched interest group perk in

everyone of them said no and trump would have said yes. people are sick and tired of ideologies that are faithful to principles but convey heartlessness to people. you talk about the touches on what you call the new class host:. those that make over $200,000 a year. what influenced have they had? 0.1%: they are not the top . they are not nfl players, not silicon valley gazillion heirs. they are a professional class, people who are well educated, , the kind ofyists people who end up in washington. i think i've just described myself but i would like to think i'm a traitor to my class because i also have a bunch of

relatives who are working on assembly lines in michigan and ontario. they are my lodestar. if i'm wrong by them i'm wrong if i'm right by them i am right. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. the name of your book is right on as far as i'm concerned. a longtime member of the construction part of america. construction is booming. there is not enough skilled tradesmen to fill all the positions so when people talk about trickle down, whatever they want to say, the construction market is booming. guys are working overtime. in terms of the democrats and what they think m or what president obama said about guns and god. how about hillary clinton, the deplorable's. your book is right on in terms of the name because this is what's happening and the

democrats don't care. what do they want? the are not for middle-class working people. they are for fringe and special interest groups. c-span, would love to see more journalistsnews coming on and not always quoting the usa today washington post and bloomberg. guest: i love this guy. trump supporters how come i'm not hearing from you? host: diana, republican. caller: you are hearing from me. i am a trump supporter. i became a trump supporter. i voted for him the first time because i'm sorry but i just like hillary clinton. i did not like her as a first lady. i thought she thought she was above everyone.

i voted for trump but i was an independent. i became republican when i saw how the women going into his inaugural ball had things thrown to dodge things. i decided that is when i became a republican. i would vote for trump again. michael has to do with these people who keep calling in talking about the millionaires that got additional money. i'm so tired of hearing about that. i am a retired schoolteacher. i'm hardly a millionaire or billionaire. my pension is $39,000 and it has been that is 2002 when i retired. i am not able to buy into social security but we do get a cost-of-living increase. for five out of the last eight -- trump came into office my pension for the first time

has gone up to $40,000 a year and my call the increase went above my medicare increase so i'm not a millionaire and i think $39,000 is kind of on the poverty line. these people that are calling in and criticizing that trump has eliminated environment, do what you want. he made it sound like a big deal. the president got rid of environmental rules, we are going to keep them. the difference is with the republicans may take away the restrictions but they don't take away your right to do what it is you want to do. if you want to continue with environmental things, continue where is with obama it was mandated. i would vote for trump again. i'm terrified about the democrats. my parents were democrats. when i asked them why they said it's because they got jobs from roosevelt.

when welfare came in, they stopped. they do not believe in giving stuff away. they believed in helping people but not giving things away to people who did not deserve it. guest: a lot of people agreed with you about not liking hillary clinton. i want to tie that into the campaign. it was not just the personality. she also was taken to represent the new class i described, the elite class making out by virtue of its contacts with government. a decision in the campaign early on, we are opposed to hillary clinton, we don't want to take on bernie sanders. there is a wing of the democratic party that gets it, that realizes that it's not all about elite causes like transgender bathrooms.

that is concerned with meat and potato issues and standards lost . even if he had won then you would have a clean contest for the benefit of american workers with different ways of approaching it. one vaguely socialistic, one vaguely conservative and let the americans decide. that would be healthier. i would welcome that kind of a battle. host: mike in new jersey, caller: thankr: you for taking my call. i would love to have a conversation with the person from wisconsin and connecticut and have a discussion about our differences. you mentioned something about health care and you lived in canada and trump's health care plan is best there is no health care plan for donald trump so far as i've heard. party.ublican workers

what has the republican party done for the common workers? that workers, not so much tax cuts that were made really want that big of a deal for the workers if you look around and talk to them, which i still am. semiretired but i still work area there was not a big difference there. what has the republican party done for unions? the private sector union which i was a member of. host: we are running short on time. .uest: real quick ones the best thing you can do for workers is have an economy that creates jobs and you heard from the guy talking about construction, that is it. the health care plan of trump, it collided with something we've america -- the separation of powers. a conflict between a presidential republican party

and a congressional party of paul ryan and nothing happened it would've been different in a parliamentary system. host: let's get involved in california, a republican. >> i wanted to make a couple of .omments i agree with most of president trump's policies. sometimes i wish you would stop tweeting but even so as far some of these antics and the way he behaves. man who we had a man's would move the american embassy to jerusalem where it belonged, had the good sense to get us out of the iran deal and paris accords. i like his choice of kavanaugh for supreme court and also we don't get much into the names of them but good conservative judges all across the country at

the federal level. i sure do like his immigration enforcement policy he's and on that i wanted to make a comment. i called into the show a few weeks ago and there was all the uproar about the separation of andchildren at the border all this nonsensical talk about .eeping these children in cages left-wing seems to try to make that sound like we've got them at the animal shelter or something rather than properly looking after these children. god for bid they get reckless and someone snatch one of those kids. funny --find it really trump had a plan to immigration which was copied the canadian system.

this was supposed to be heartless. it's all about designing a system that helps americans. if you want that kind of a system is going to be the canadian system. again, we ran into the separation of powers and we ran into a divided congress. host: let's look at 2020. who do you think on the democratic side of well-known names could pose a challenge to president trump. guest: i don't know. i think he will win. i would love to see a democratic party return to its roots. but it's so far from there right now i honestly don't know if they can do it. shrill andnding unpleasant and without being entirely invested in impeachment and stormy daniels and crazy stuff like that.

i would like to see a party that's going to talk about not the character of the president but commitment to american workers. i would like to see tip o'neill. host: bernie sanders if he should run again? guest: bernie sanders would be an interesting contest. two ways of making you better off, you choose. frank host: buckley, thank you for the conversation this morning. coming up after the short break, jeff weaver will be at the table . we will be right back. ♪

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vicki for being here. -- thank you for being here. the democratic national committee met last weekend to talk about the way forward for nominating the next presidential candidate of the party. you are a member of the unity reform commission tell our viewers what that commission is and what was decided. of the laste end primary process i and my counterpart on the clinton campaign negotiated a process to move forward to address some of the problems that i think everybody observed happened in the last nominating process in the 2016 timeframe that included the creation of a commission that would take a look at these issues and that commission that for over a year. it had representatives appointed by senator sanders, appointed by secretary clinton and representatives from the dnc and we addressed the issue of superdelegates, also reforms in the area of caucuses and opening the process and transparency at

the dnc itself. we had a report that was unanimously supported by people on the commission and it went into the democratic party's more formal process. a rules and bylaws committee which reviewed the recommendations we had made. they added some, change some and that is what was voted on at the dnc meeting this past weekend host: what will be different? guest: superdelegates was the most high profile thing. unlike the republicans, the democratic process gave votes at the convention to a pool of a little over 700 elected officials and party insiders. the cumulative number of those superdelegates was equivalent to the elected delegates from some 25 states in the district of columbia combined. about 15% of the pool of delegates and they were unpledged. they could support whoever they

wanted. folks will remember secretary her campaigned earlier than bernie sanders did. had more support from the establishment of the party. mccain the point at which she had 300 or 400 of these superdelegates locked up before a single voter cast a vote. folks felt that was -- that worked the process voter say one candidate has such an advantage why do i even want to participate. "rigged"d an air of system. forward these superdelegates will not vote on the first ballot and the democratic party has not had a second ballot since the 1950's. a candidate can go in with a majority of pledged delegates, elected by the people, and win the nomination. we've changed the way caucuses are run to make sure they are more transparent, accessible,

that they have absentee voting in that we are not closing people out of that process. there was language that was not asked wrong as some of us wanted about opening up primaries in a number of states where young people are being locked out of the primary process and disproportionately people of color we've got to make changes in those areas still. always more reforms to be made but this was a tremendously forward and i want to congratulate everybody who was involved. a special word to tom perez, the chairman of party through embraced these reforms and fought for these reforms. 3-1, something i thought a lot of reform minded people would've thought impossible previously. the former dnc chair raised concerns about the voices democrats would lose under this superdelegate rule change.

[video clip] >> disenfranchising 200 african-americans will be eliminated from the vote on the first ballot. 100 latinos. dozens of people from the lgb t community and dozens of people who suffer physical or other disabilities. those will all be eliminated because they are contained in these people you and me and the elected officials across america , those will be eliminated on the first ballot. the democratic party has been the engine for conveying the vote to african-americans to in allo lgbtq people other americans. we have been the engine to spread democracy. now we are going to turn around and take democracy away from these folks. it is not fitting for the

democratic party to do that. host: there has been opposition from the black caucus on capitol hill, the black caucus chair opposes the plan to weaken superdelegate influence. respect sandra richman and chairman fowler. in this case -- senator richman and chairman fowler. in this case, they are wrong. affirmative action targets for every category of delegates. selected ates are the district level there is a pool of delegates your stomach sure your pool of delegates is theopriately reflective of rank and file of the democratic party in terms of race, gender, sexual orientation and a number of other categories. the one category of delegates were that is not a requirement are the elected officials. members of congress who are superdelegates, members of the

u.s. senate and governors, you get what you get and that pool of voters in this context is whiter, more mail, more straight. i.e. eliminating the vote of superdelegates on the first round, you create a pool of delegates who are voting for which is most reflective of our base which is most diverse guaranteed to be half women. that is not true over on capitol hill. host: even with this change, what hurdles do you have to overcome to get over what you wrote about in the book? you wrote one issue that weighed on voters minds was bernie's of. >> us out irony given the outcome in november 2016, a year earlier we were trying to figure out how to convey to voters that bernie sanders was more electable than hillary clinton. as a list 2015 public polling showed that bernie sanders was a

stronger candidate against trump and most of the other candidates than hillary clinton would be. the media dismissed these polls as soon as they reported them. guest: i think today is different than it was. we are in a different position than we were in 2015. .enator sanders won 23 contest at that point he is not won any. there was many people in the punditry who thought he was not going to win anything and at the crowds we were seeing across the country with tens of thousands of people in attendance would dissipate and disappear by the time people had to vote. as we know now that did not happen. clear to a lot of people in hindsight including a lot of rank-and-file democrats that the polling was correct and bernie sanders would have been more electable in november of 2016. a few months ago one of trump's leading pollsters said if we had run against sanders we would have lost.

obviously there is a difference of opinion about that. a little alternate universe scenario, what if bernie had captured the nomination. i'm convinced he would have been a morebut i'm convinced he woule been a much more electable candidate for a couple -- were a couple of reasons, he did much better with independence throughout the process. anddemocratic party independent -- and republican party are the minority parties, neither have 51% of the vote. voters we saw overwhelming support, we were winning again secretary clinton by four to one in most points. all of the polling and research since the election shows that bernie sanders one millennials of all races --won millennials of all races. host: will he run in 2020? guest: i know you have to ask

the question, he is thinking about it. i'm sure in time he will give your response. i'm sure created quite a stir with that comment, but something he is looking at. he really wants to be confident that he is the best person to beat donald trump, because he's doing so much destruction to this country that we need to have a nominee who is in the best position to beat donald trump. host: is not him, who? guest: that is a process that will take place, it is always been my view that if you want to know who is the most electable person, as the voters, not party insiders. on some level i and a party insider, and i would say ask the voters -- on some level i am a party insider, and i would say as the voters. host: what is your role with

bernie sanders right now? speaking and you talking about potentially running in 2020? everyday,alk to him but certainly not about running for president. he has been busy running around the country, supporting democrats who are running for office. there was a tremendous victory in florida with the election -- nomination of andrew gillum to florida.xt governor of an aspiring canada -- inspiring candidate i think could win that state. other candidates a senator has has won their primaries as well, it was four for four that day. abrams, and stacey folks across the country. out of florida, the

headline in the wall street journal, florida highlights parties start divide, florida's race for the governor will offer the first major test of the democratic and republican party basis, boast of which are -- both of which are being transformed in the trump era. do you agree? host: i do. andrew gillum ran a progressive campaign, he excited young people, african american community is excited about the prospect of the first african-american governor. it would be historic. he talking about issues that resonate with people of all races. he was the only non-millionaire in the race, he comes from humble origins. he worked his way up and he was elected to the tallahassee city council as a young man. he's younger candidate with 15 years of experience including mayor of tallahassee. it shows you the confidence the voters have had in him, they understand -- i mean a lot of politicians -- meet a lot of

politicians. someone who'smeet truly special, and i think andrew gillum is one of them. some people have a spark and he is one of them. host: it is your turn to call in with your questions and comments about the future of the democratic party. we will start with mike in oklahoma city. on the democrat line. caller: good morning, jeff you are a treasure to the country just like bernie sanders is. i think we reached a point where even some sanders voters crossed over and voted for trump because his campaign rhetoric was that he was going to remove the influence of wall street and therefore help the country work for the people, not just business. we all know, despite the gop voters not knowing this, that's all the republican party works for. 110% of the time it works for

business interest. that's why we have two jobs, to remove all of these trickle-down economic big tax cuts for 1% , and we have to vote in november and remove gop officeholders. our next job is to elect progressives, and slowly make realize thate dnc they will have to let go of the wall street take and let people have a say in how the party functions. we cannot get past climate change, medicare for all, we cannot get with the earth and the people need until we elect someone like bernie sanders, and truly bring -- and truly get rid of wall street money in that office. host: thank you mike. guest: i'm humbled by your

comments, i certainly don't deserve them. the democratic party, there was a schizophrenia in the 1990's driven by bill clinton's neoliberal policies which were harmful to working-class americans. it's certainly true that the democratic party needs to get back to its modern roots in the can rebuildld so it faith with the working-class people across this country and in every zip code. the party is moving in that direction and it's being driven by the grassroots. i don't agree on everything but i want to complement tom on his leadership in helping to reform the process. the other comments about republican party, trump sold working-class people a bill of goods, he said he would help working-class people and drain the swamp. his is the most swamp invested administration in the country. every effort --

opportunity to help working-class people and he stamped them in the back. host: how? he passed the tax cuts which will be used to starve social security, and medicare and medicaid funding for local services around the country. he is done nothing to address wages, unemployment has gone down substantially but if you look at all of the evidence, and i'm sure it's in the newspapers, the wages of the average person have not gone up. he tried to take health care away from tens of millions by repealing the affordable care act was no plan to do something in the alternative. he's gone after the economic interests of working-class people, people who have been displaced. wall street runs his administration, that is pretty clear. has rightly understood that there are problems with the trade policy but instead of going in with a way that would

improve the situation he went in with a hand grenade and has caused great harm in terms of rural america and agricultural prices. the one thing to identify problem and another thing to have the competence and good intentions to handle the problem in the right way. host: if the president announces a deal, which could come as early as tomorrow to -- a new afta deal between canada and mexico, do have concerns it would hurt democrat chances in the midterm election? iest: that's not the lens look through, the question is will it help working people in the country who have been struggling? many families work full-time and have trouble keeping their heads above water. they worry about sending their kids to college, worrying about medicine and taking care of their aging parents. these are the leinster which i atk at things, -- the lens which i look through things. the truth is, this administration as a whole has

done bad things to working people. one of the things they have done is try to divide working people up, that's one of the ways you maintain corporate power, divide them by race, gender, sexual orientation, that prevents working people from working together to protect their interests. hear from bill, in canton, illinois, on the independent line. i voted for trump, and being that we voted for republicans this time is because of two major reasons. the stance of the democratic party with regards to illegal immigrants, and sanctuary cities. and universal health care. universal health care of any type will not work in the united -- until thee government steps in and regulate hospitals, doctors, and clinics.

you can make the point that medicare works, but the government red -- regulates the cost. the v.a. works but the government regulates the cost and the lobbyists are so great in the hospitals, clinics, and doctors, they will never work. fromis why we broke away the democratic party and we are going to vote republican until quits itsatic party stance on illegal immigration, open borders, and once universal health care for everyone. every working american would pay for that. was given class nothing by the last eight years of the administration and -- host: can ask you this question, are you saying republicans are more likely to regulate industries, hospitals and doctors, then democrats? toler: no party will be able

until they get lobbyists out of there, and the lobbyists have dug in so deep there is no way that hospitals and doctors will ever let the government regulate them. host: jeff weaver? guest: i'm not going to disagree that lobbyists have an ornament amount of influence -- an inordinate amount of influence, i think what the caller should understand is that every other major industrialized western country has some form of national health program which guarantees health care to all of their people. at halfiver health care the cost per capita that we do. i find it amazing, republicans often talk about american exceptionalism, but somehow other countries can do things we cannot. i believe the opposite, it is a problem with lobbyist, the insurance company lobbyists, service lobbyists who work with industries that charges the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, in canada you can buy the same medication

with the same regulatory process for a fraction of the prize, -- the price. a medicare for all system would ,elp squeeze out the waste abuse, and fraud that happens in the current system. and all of the administrative paperwork and urography that people don't understand that they are paying for as part of their health care bill -- and bureaucracy that people don't understand they are paying for is part of their health care bill. the others,to join and make us more competitive economically. in manufacturing the talk about the outrageous amount of health insurance they are pairing for their people. and on the issue of immigration, this is a flashpoint point in the truth of the matter is undocumented people in this country are not taking jobs away from americans. it's not true.

many industries in this country rely on undocumented labor, agriculture does to a large extent. if you lock down the border completely, i don't know if there would be in agricultural sector in caught -- california or florida. we have to bring people out of beingadows, amalie's are torn apart, and taken to the extreme you see a cruel trump -- families are being torn apart, and taken to the extreme you see a trump policy where mothers are never reunited with their children, some have been sexually abused. we have to deal with immigration in a rational way, there is no open borders policy it but we have to bring our neighbors out of the shadow of and have a rational policy. will go to david, here in washington, d.c. on our line for democrats. guest: the reason i'm calling, is because every time i hear bernie's name it spark something in me.

, i would say feel the bern. spoke to, they i could not get on the burning campaign.- the bernie host: why not? guest: everyone seems to be i hate to useon, the term stupid, but i voted for hillary in the election, but in the primaries i definitely voted for bernie. i had a choice between bernie and trump. back i said he voted for trump -- and guy said he voted for trump, i hesitantly voted for hillary. bernie sanders got burnt by the

democratic party. i think it was a setup from the beginning. host: let's leave it there, was it a setup from the beginning? clear the evidence is that people within the democratic party, particularly the chair at the time certainly had her finger on the sick ale -- on the scale against sect -- four secretary clinton. --for secretary clinton predict the impediments had been removed and bernie had won the nomination, that's a question we will never be able to answer. that's why we're seeing reform to clear up these problems. whoever the nominee is, the nomination should not be tainted by the thought that the process was not fair and that they are not a legitimate nominee. doing that benefits the party and everyone else. , in idaho, aa republican. caller: i was going to say i

hope the american people are smart enough not to vote along any party lines. but look at the individual themselves that is running for and try to figure things out according to the qualities of the candidate, not the parties they represent. in fact mr. bernie sanders, doesn't he claimed to be an independent and yet he is is the democratic party to run? host: we will take up point. -- we will take that point. guest: he did run in the democratic nominating process for president, he is part of the senate democratic leadership, he is an active participant in the vermont court made a campaign and he is a major funder this time giving over one hundred $50,000 to help elect democrats in vermont. he raised over $5 million in the election cycle for democrats and

he's closed out to millions of foreign this election cycle. in many ways bernie is a thing the democratic party passed a resolution declaring him a democrat in vermont. of all the people in washington he may be the only person who has been explicitly declared a democrat by their state democratic already. diana, in illinois, on the democrat line. you knowwanted to let that i really like your programming and i enjoy c-span. my question is why did bernie vote against sanctions on russia? he voted with rand paul and they were the only two votes. guest: i can't speak as to why rand paul voted the way he did, but i can speak to the sanctions bill. one was sanctions on russia and the other was to impose sanctions on iran, undoing the

key foreign-policy accomplishment of the obama administration, which was the deal with iran. the final though it had both of those together, there were a number of votes that were just russia sanctions, which sen. sanders: voted for, -- which senatorders: voted -- sanders voted for. thehe was against undoing iran nuclear deal. that's why he voted against the entire package, he did not support undoing the iran nuclear deal. host: match, from jacksonville, florida, on the republican line. republican, but i do believe in universal health care. my wife is english, she was a nurse by the nhs, i'm wondering why don't we hear about education reform that will have to come with universal health care? guest: one of the things that

the senator has talked about is greatly increasing federal support to create more doctors and nurses. if they're going to have universal health care system, there are many communities in the country that are underserved in terms of medical providers and in conjunction with universal health care programs we need to have a system of training medical professionals that ensures the knowledge that we have enough and they are in the right places. paul, from message, on the democrat line. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. i wanted to say hello to jeff, and to thank him for the job he did with bernie sanders campaign . veteran, ademocrat bernie supporter, and we have to stand up to trump. host: do you want to see him run in 2020? , yes i do. i would like to see bernie run,

i think he could help us a lot and i think he cares about the veterans, he cares about people, he's not a fake and he would probably help straighten out the country, which is what we need now. we don't need a president that goes around saying fake news, trump only likes the veterans that like him, he doesn't like all of us. and doctors and nurses feel the same way. he's not the best thing for us. host: let me ask you, jeff, based off of what that caller said in the other collars who amid aallers statement that he is the democratic platform to run for president, why not change from an independent to a democrat? guest: he has always run that way, he will run for the democratic party in vermont and he will be endorsed as he always has been. he has an independent relationship with the party, he

has been critical of the direction of the party in the 1990's, when neoliberals sprang up in the party because he understands that you cannot send a mixed message to working-class voters. when you send a mixed message it creates confusion and division between the party and the working-class base. that's a problem. he's always stood for working people. he is a thing and to himself, he is in democratic leadership and support democratic candidates. he raised more money for democratic candidates in the election cycle for 2016 than anyone else. host: where is he and 2018 for raising money? on $2 we are closing in million. by the time this is over it will probably be in an -- in excess of that. post,from the washington democrats help nonwhite

bothdates win in arizona, one u.s. immigration and customs to be replaced, but neither seemed destined for victory without outside help. guest: the reality of modern politics, every candidate has outside help. the establishment candidates get tons of money from traditional democratic donor class, on the republican side the corporate brother moneyh flows in. one of the things that has been exciting since 2016 is that there have always been progressive grassroots groups but there is new energy and the amount of help that people can do calls forle can candidates in other states because now you have a computer in your house and the numbers come up and you can make calls for people. people are increasingly traveling to other states, i was on a facebook thread with folks

heading down to florida to help andrew gillum. the grassroots of this country wants to take it back from trump and his corporate masters. they want to transform the democratic party so that it works for working people in marginalized -- and marginalized communities. to south carolina, on the democrat line. caller: good morning, i have a few quick comments, first of all democratszing how could have stolen it so easily and they let trump walk over them. they forget about their core values. i think the future for our party is that we have to quit beating each other up. by the time bernie and hillary got through with each other, tongue -- trump did not have anything else to worry about. we won a few million votes but they destroyed each other. we need to select one person and

go with that. when we beat each other up there is nothing left in my opinion. host: jeff weaver? guest: in historical terms, the 2016 primary process was very tame. the 2007 2 thousand eight race between secretary clinton and president obama was much more contentious and acrimonious. and many of secretary clinton supporters supported mccain. is pretty clear. i get what the caller is saying and there's an issue of conserving resources which are expended in the primary process. but i am a firm believer that the case of the democratic party should choose the candidate. there are differences within the party, we have two major parties, they are both whichions, unlike europe has smaller parties which are much more ideologically homogenous.

the democratic party is a big tent party, the republican party is a big but narrower tent party these days. the primary process is important, this is a way to about to party leaders where the rank-and-file of the party wants to go. it would be bad to lose that. policyd to have vigorous debates, but it should not be personal or overly negative. i have to say that in the middle of the process, everyone gets heated and upset. by and large, both clinton people and our campaign handled the public presentation of their candidates in a civil way. walter is an independent in florida. weaver,good morning mr. i would like you to consider the of the different groups.

it seems to me that the andcrats are much younger the younger people who are turning voting age are not being inspired by the leadership. and the candidates and south, i think mr. trump is 72, i'm not sure how old bernie is boat where is this going to be -- it is, but where's the going to be in two to six years when trump is no longer in office and bernie is probably the elder statesman, if that's possible. guest: it is true that younger increasinglyving towards the democratic party in terms of voting. the truth is that younger people, when they register to vote, register's independence even though they vote democratic and work for democratic candidates. the new generation has a different relationship with institutions, not just with political parties but religions, the workplace. the society is changing.

when it comes to open versus closed primaries, closed primaries are keeping young people out enough good for the future. with how has to adapt young people interact with institutions in general. and in terms of leadership we talk about a number of candidates running for governor and congress who are younger candidates, they are espousing progressive positions and i am hopeful for the future. you have a progressive and young voting base, you young progressive candidates, you have some older candidates like bernie who are espousing progressive ideas. i think it bodes well. jeff, in mississippi, a republican, good morning. caller: i would like to comment , someonerew gillum

through a monkeywrench into the gear works and bogged the system up. [indiscernible] why is he trying to take other people's money? [indiscernible] thank you. host: jeff was talking about ron republicanho run the primary for governor in florida and remade or criticism, this is from the washington times on wednesday when he made a remark avoided. gillen, who polarizing language after his speeches, referring to mr. desantis, let's not monkey this up. guest: from my perspective, it was not a dog whistle, it was a

full shout out from the roof of this campaign headquarters, saying that he is not personally addressed this by apologizing. it's a clear attempt to try to inject race into the race. i think voters in florida -- there's a lot of reasons to support andrew gillum, but if you really want to elect a republican governor like this, what will this do for tourism in the state that so dependent on tourism when you have someone who wants to be the chief executive that will inject this intol animist and hatred the political campaign. voters have a decision to make, they have two candidates, and it's an important decision. he comes out of the gate and he makes racist comments, i know there are a bunch of expressions involving monkeys, monkeywrench, monkey around, that's not the expression used, the expression he used is not an expression

anyone uses. he's a trained lawyer and that's where you learn how to use words to persuade people to your point of view. joan in minnesota. go ahead. caller: ok. president, bush was 2006, the democrats tried to pass a bill stopping all migrant workers coming from mexico to working the united states. the bill did not pass. kennedy, voteded against it and all the republicans voted against it has a time. the time. most illegals come here for the jobs. corporations want the illegals here to work for them. they were cheaper and don't complain about the job, and they never leave. a bring their families and they stay here.

they become the real illegals in this country. it is not the democrats that want the illegals here, it is the republicans or the corporations. host: i will take that point. guest: corporations try to find the cheapest labor they can. people who are immigrating to the u.s. are coming here for the same reasons all of our families emigrated to the united states. they are looking for a better life. religiousscaping persecution, political persecution or war. nothing really different today than it was the whole history of our country. when i was growing up, the canadian border -- people waved through the border crossings. this is just a feature of growing up where i was an important community on the northern side.

things are really not all that different. the truth is people like trump try to inflame racial animus. it is always the other. theonly succeed in helping billionaire class when you divide people up, to 99% of the rest of us. brown fromo separate black from white from women from gay from straight. it is a classic playbook. but we are seeing in this country is what the western democracies of euros faced -- in europe faced at the beginning of the 20th century. we are at a tipping point if we will tend towards in the territory -- towards an authoritarian government. no one in america gets their children ripped away from them. should dj have your children ripped away from you? it was so outrageous.

if all people, including republicans, independents and democrats said what trump is doing -- with a conservative leaders. there is nothing wrong with being a conservative. what is going on in the white house is a very un-american occurrence. is something our european allies dealt with at the beginning of the 20th century. we have to fight it at home. host: jeff weaver, thank you for your time. we are going to take a quick break. when we come back we will open up the phone lines. you can respond to anything you have heard from esther weaver this morning or any politics issue is on the table. there are the phone lines. we will be back right after we show you from this week's newsmakers program, an interview

with stephen law. the fund is a super pac working to elect republicans to the senate. the full interview airs on sunday. it seems like right now the house is in jeopardy of flipping. is that fair to say? off.would not write it we continue to see the scenario changing. we are still competitive but it is an uphill climb for sure. >> talk to me about how that shapes what you guys do and your interaction with party strategists and donors in terms of the importance of the senate. does the senate become the biggest game in town? >> it has not gotten there yet. i think it is important to do what you can to protect the house, even if you think you will lose it. it depends on where you return from. a 10-seat deficit is easier to

make up in a 40-seat deficit. like morets looking of a difficult proposition, certainly people be concerned about the senate. >> when the president talks about a red wave, what do you think about that? is he talking about the house, the senate? >> i am not exactly sure what he means by that. i don't think there is much evidence of a red wave for outsized republican turnout. you could argue there is a blue wave. blue way for small a blue ripple in certain states outside of democratic turnout. mostly special elections. $10 million to $20 million on a specific target, it

will have little relevance in the fall. there has been a huge surge in republican enthusiasm that would change outcomes beyond what we normally expected and midterm. florida, you in saw a surge in turnout on both sides. it could be evenly matched. i don't think it's some sort unilateral -- i want to see it but i don't see it yet. >> washington journal continues. host: we are back in open phones this morning until the end of washington journal. getting your thoughts on public policy and politics. you can respond to any think you have heard this morning on the program or other politics and policy issues. nick in illinois, a republican. caller: good morning, gretchen. thanks for taking my call. i have a big problem with that mr. weaver just said. i understand he is an author and campaign manager for bernie sanders.

he is not a lawyer and well-versed in everything. every state is different. every state has their own laws. my dad was in high school and the 1980's and walking with my mother. was in the road and a cop said something to him. the cop got out and arrested my father. youill sit there and say to people don't get arrested for jaywalking when in fact my dad $200nd it cost my family in the 1980's. when my grandma was a single mother who was abandoned with four children by a man. then what you guys did to desantis, not even playing with the man said before and after the monkey it up comment, that was outrageous. you ought to be ashamed of yourself. host: tell us what he said after. we will not hear from net. al in toledo, washington,

democrat. caller: thank you so much for c-span. this has been going since sliced bread. i am a lifelong democrat. i'm 84 years old. they 100% disabled veteran who served 30 years. being at the party has one purpose, to find candidates who can win and therefore implement policies for the betterment of the nation has conceived by the various parties. that is what we should be going for. a few years before i came on to this earth we had people honorable men. we did not have women running for public office etiquette extent -- they ran as progressives, as socialists, has communists and is whatever they were. i welcomed bernie as having

early as- look at having invaded and destroy the democratic party. electiont win the because we do not have sufficient electoral college votes. that had mr.istics sanders and mistimed not been in the race dividing up the vote, hillary would have been in office and we would not have the trumpe known as donald j. sitting in the oval office. people say by way or the highway. we are a progressive nation in many ways, but you have to be pragmatic. you cannot implement policies even if they are the best in the world if you don't of votes. that means you have to elect party who will do the platform's.

host: robert in vail, arizona, democrat. caller: good morning to you. this is genius robert. i would like to be frank, earnest, blunt and historical. please give me some time to be especially historical. a long time ago there was no white people here. they were brown and red people. this was called america, and the people here consequently where americans. i really detest the fact that people that are brown and the people that are red are on reservations. that people that are brown have the bending over themselves to try to make a living and satisfy the corporate structure. the corporate structure is all over the world, and they cause

problems on account of racism. they came about on the privates of old. the people that came from europe are used to having castles and little groups of people in power. that people that were here were more powerful. act.at how blonder people they are kind and hard-working and get shit on and i don't appreciate that. i would like to have a different world. host: we have more calls coming in. bob in old ford, tennessee. fort, tennessee. that shouldquestion have been asked is how will you pay for it? the proposals from bernie sanders? caller: yes.

how are you going to pay for these programs? news like youke cover republicans off all the time. you will not let them finish because they had a little nerve that he will don't like, especially the indian dude. he is the worst of all -- all of y'all. it is for people to get a job and go to work. how they put people in social programs -- how was i going to lift them up out of poverty? you can make no money that way. you democrats -- if trump is successful, it will put them out of business. you can't just stand up there and raise your hand. vote for me and give -- and i will give you everything you want. it is a fairyland. host: the washington post says

the prime minister of canada believes a trade deal with united states and mexico is possible by friday, but only if it is good for canada. more to come on that over today and tomorrow. hank in patrick on the south carolina, independent. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am a long time c-span watcher. called they watch committee meetings in both the house and senate. anything that has to do with veterans. i have been going to the v.a. for over 40 years now. i want to take exception to mr. weaver on bernie -- you mentioned bernie sanders did a lot for the veteran. he was the worst committee chairman they ever had.

in, until johnny isaac got there. i want to throw something at the television listening to bernie. that what did he not do you wanted him to do? caller: he did not want to implement the choice program. he was against that. he thought that would lead to privatization. i got put on that choice program. started itit first was the worst. it took a long time to get worked out. it works great now. i live so far from the v.a. i live 88 miles away. i have glaucoma. i have to get somebody to drive me. that choiceant

program. johnny isakson, the day he stepped in things started moving different. that's all i've got to say. thank you. host: front page of the new york times. how mccain got the last word against trump. not long after he learned here terminal brain cancer, he began convening meetings with trusted aides over his funeral. he choreographed the movement of his coffin from arizona to washington. in april, he began reaching out to republicans, democrats and ton a russian dissident request they delivered eulogies and service pallbearers. mr. mccain had carefully stage-managed a four-day celebration of his life.

that was also an unmistakable rebuke to president trump and his agenda. for years president trump had used twitter to block the senator -- mock the senator. he made a quietly known to friends at mr. trump was not welcome at his service. this is day two how the four-day marking of the senator's death. yesterday he lie in state of the arizona capitol rotunda with a private ceremony for his wife, family, friends and former colleagues. today there is a funeral service in phoenix, arizona. they have put out a list of people who will be attending today's funeral. it includes current and former senators like senator lamar alexander, chris coons, steve daines, kirsten gillibran, john hoeven, joe manchin, patty wicker,jim rich, roger

todd young, former senator jon kyl, gordon smith, former vice president joe biden will be there. former vice president dan quayle. larry fitzgerald janitor and the governor of arizona and his wife will be attending that ceremony in phoenix. body andsenator's family will make their way to washington, d.c. where he will lie in state in the u.s. capitol rotunda on friday. there will be a service there as well. -- senator the mccain requested george h -- george w. bush and former president barack obama all make eulogies at the memorial service at the national cathedral. all of our coverage on [applause] , and c-span, c-span.org the c-span radio app.

a lengthy story about how mccain got the last word in choreographed with the help of his staff the funeral arrangements. they will continue for the next three days. george and morton, illinois. good morning to you. caller: thank you. good morning and thank you for c-span. i wanted to make a comment on the last speaker you had on. you was talking about bernie sanders. caterpillar, a union job. strongly union and has always been. even there you got a lot of democrats that voted for trump. they support the man. you have a lot of people coming in their has supplementals. i was hired on as a supplemental because trump helped the economy. is undeniable with the man has

done. and keepto deny that attacking him on the media the i honestly don't think the democrats realize what will happen in the midterm elections. they are talking about a blue wave. i think in reality it will be another 2016. host: george from illinois. brenda from tallahassee. caller: i am a republican and i spoke with a democrat over the weekend. did you vote for trump? he said i sure did. he said the democratic party left me when they went so far left. they are going into socialism. he was astounded. i knew this back when obama got in. the left was hijacking the democrat party. win in thisublicans red title way, the democrats are

going to be extremely, extremely surprised. they are probably going to pull out the race card. it is ridiculous what they are going to do. they have already pulled out the race card against desantis. i am not a follower of stalin, but one of his quotes was "liberals are useful idiots." that is exactly what they are. they are going to take -- try to take this country down, but trump is going to win with all the republicans right behind him. thank you. host: elizabeth from staten island, new york. caller: hi. i find the vitriol from some of callers to be absolutely disgusting honestly. is a friend of communism.

so it seems. i am from new york. many of us from here have followed his career for a long time. know a lot about him, as well as about wall street, lower manhattan. and international business. manafort,ing on with with trump's administration, with the investigation, they all consider themselves consultants. it -- the southern district of new york has everything to do with international business. street.ian bank, wall and just a lot of corruption.

i am very much a bernie sanders supporter. partly because of that. host: james in georgia, republican. james, it is your turn. caller: good morning. something that troubles me know is the term democratic socialist. that is kind of a contradiction in terms as far as i am concerned. a vegetarianell be while you chow down on a t-bone steak. socialism and democracy are antithetical to each other. sooner or later socialists -- it is insidious and it is seductive because they will start out in a place for a reasonable person might agree. this and that is not fair, is not right, is not equal. you might agree with it. and then they go further and further in eventually they

arrive at the same place, towards fascism or communism. they decide democracy itself really is not fair. -- only way you connect you can have true have the government take control of everything. hehe had gotten elected, would not have been kindly old uncle bernie. the boot on your neck would have been there nonetheless. host: john in minersville, pennsylvania. independent. caller: good morning, greta. a couple of comments and then a question for you. if any of my information is wrong deal free to correct me. as far as what the democratic party is in recently, any time you talk about illegal immigration, they refuse to use the term "illegal." they just use the term immigrant. the country is not anti-immigrant. it is anti-illegal immigrant. 's a 14ed president obama

or 15 times he did not have the congressional or constitutional authority rather to impose his daca. then trump came with the immigration ban. the prayerever read cards the muslims use, they would know why he has a muslim ban and a process for preventing those. the democrats fought tooth and nail work requirements and drug testing for access benefits. they will not find the wall -- fund the wall. they want social security to go to the illegals. they don't want to incarcerate anyone they catch that is illegal. they want to propagate sanctuary cities. i watched you had a sense as gentle and argue -- census gentlemen arguing if they could come to consensus on if he senses could ask if they were a citizen of the country or not.

then we got to the iceberg on the floor of the house where we were supposed to show as a country support for our ice agents. 34 no's. 18 yes's, and 140 absent. will cap government is that? they got outplayed on the supreme court. they can't take the loss. they are carrying it forward. as far as i'm concerned, the democrats do have one thing right. they have the word rat in their name and that is exactly what they are. democ-rats. tell me why i should vote for a rat? host: hi roger. weaver -- itjeff was a great opportunity for him to explain how bernie sanders

set there for months bobby was campaigning for president std had for some reason ju totally turned around and supported the very woman he said is not fit to be president. they brought up debbie wasserman schultz. she is the one that stalled the bernie.mation of she isluded to the fact still able to hold office after what she has done is beyond me. i would like to see c-span go back to being that republicans are not getting the respect we oferve and we are tired being called racists and homophobes and xina folks -- xenophogic. -- we are not anti-immigrant, clear

anti-illegal immigrant. -- we are anti-illegal immigrants. host: jim is a democrat in west virginia. caller: i want to respond to some of the callers. i sit and listen to c-span. republicans need to listen to what they are saying and look at some real facts in history. i think they need to look beyond their backyard. that has become to me a hallmark and a narrative, a battle cry from too many i hear speak. two callers back, calling democrats a rat. constant derision and preferring to socialists. they tried to imply communist

dictatorships. they tried to equate venezuela, because things are not going well done there. venezuela was a one trick pony up economy with a loyal. -- oil. ant is not necessarily example of the good aspects of socialism. i challenge republicans to look up in economic terms called mixed market economy. built on a blend of socialism and capitalism. if you listen to bernie sanders, he has said there is nothing market -- true free market capitalism. he said it has to be true free market where there is real competition. going back to what it was saying about people looking beyond the backyard, i got a job and people just -- that's great. what about the millions of other

people that don't? therejim i will leave it so we can get in some other calls before we wrap up. just a little bit more from this article in the new york times about planning his funeral. host: the talks of the details of today service and beyond. how any politicians an opera the only participants, pallbearers include friends at mr. mccain made over the years including warned buddy. and frederick smith, the finer fedex. larry fitzgerald. -- larry future with asked to speak at today's memorial service bird some of the messages by phone another by person. joe biden was some of those summoned to sedona. mccain began executing funeral plans with urgency. mr. biden the of the excepted.

the person closely vice president, you also serve as a pot there on saturday in washington third mr. trump secretary of defense was asked long ago to be a pallbearer. a private ceremony on sunday. mr. mccain is to be buried. let's hear from john who is in iowa. caller: hello. host: good morning. , ther: a question i guess point wanted to make, one was on the borders. during the first administration they want to have a wall. they have 750 miles built. later on, the -- dropped the workforce on the border by 30%. the obama administration had to make that up and increase the amount. there the chamber of commerce president that came on. he said that we need an open border. all of a sudden, there is no --.

a 30% reduction to ban the use of jones. -- a forbeseform magazine article and i want to reduce about 85%. already way below the 10,000 that were actually needed according to most of the research. this open policy because the chambers of commerce around the country put pressure on the city and government to have the law enforcement look the other way on illegals. now they call themselves sanctuary cities. host: i hate to could you off but we do have to leave it there. i would you offer coin in this morning. and watching today's program. now we want to preview live to the -- center in washington, d.c.. underway is a discussion about taiwan's southbound policy which aims to reduce the company's economic reliance on china and focus on