announcer: coming up in an hour, bill press on his new book, "trump must go," about the failures of the trump

presidency. our guest is stephen moore of the heritage foundation. he will be here to talk about the u.s. economy under president trump. ♪ host: good morning. the flag at the capital remains at half staff this morning as washington pays tribute to senator john mccain. later this morning at 11:00 eastern time, a ceremony in the rotunda. at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon, the public will be able to pay respects. the first person to bestow the honor to -- bestow to the honor -- ie in state was senator mccain is the 31st. his casket will rest atop the

wooden catapult constructed for president abraham lincoln's funeral and used when president kennedy's body was in the capitol rotunda. all of the ceremonies are on c-span, as well as our radio, and c-span.org we want to begin with the ceremony in phoenix and joe biden saying the passing of john mccain means the end of his brand of bipartisanship. that is our starting point for this morning cost conversation -- this morning's conversation. 202-748-8001 is the line for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8002 if you are an independent. you can send us a tweet and we will read it @cspanwj. or join on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. good friday morning and thank you very much for being with us today. ceremony and tributes to john mccain.

the wall street journal has an op-ed by the former treasury secretary and white house chief of staff, jim baker. he writes the following, few lawmakers follow john mccain's example of compromise. whatever one party proposes, the other opposes reflexively. his constituents often consider it a betrayal to attempt to bridge the gap. government has become incapable of tackling critical issues. instead, the parties ping-pong the plane back and forth depending on which side is in power. you can read the full piece on the wall street journal opinion page. in one of his last speeches on the senate floor in july of 2017 after he was diagnosed with brain cancer that took his life this past week, john mccain talking about the art of compromise. from last year. [video clip] >> the administration and

congressional democrats should congressforced through a social and economic change as massive as obamacare and we should not do the same with hours. why don't we try -- with ours. why don't we try the old way of legislating in senate? if this process ends in failure, which seems likely, then let's return to regular order. let the health education, let labor intentions committee under chairman alexander and ranking member murray hold hearings with contributions from both sides. [applause] >> something my dear friends on the other side of the aisle did not allow to happen nine years ago. [applause]

[laughter] >> let's see if we can pass something that will be imperfect, full of compromise in, but not pleasing to either side, but that might provide workable solutions to problems americans are suffering with today. what do we have to lose to work -- by trying to work together to find solutions? we are not getting done much a part. i don't think any of us feels very proud of our incapacity. preventing your political opponents from doing what they want is not the most inspiring work. there is greater satisfaction in respecting our differences, or not letting them prevent agreements that don't require abandonment of core principles, agreements made in good faith help improve lives and protect the american people. the senate is capable of that. we know that. we have seen it before.

i have seen it happen many times and the times when i was involved even in a modest way working on a bipartisan response to a national problem or threat are the proudest moments of my career and, by far, the most satisfying. host: the words of senator john mccain from july 2017 and here in washington, the flags at the white house and the u.s. capitol at half staff in honor of senator mccain. his services will be held tomorrow at the washington national cathedral and burial at the united states naval academy. this headline from the washington times, mccain remembered as a hero and a fighter. national public radio has a piece on the npr website. winning and compromising are not the same thing. senator mitch mcconnell took the uncompromising party line to new heights when his party was in the minority. he used the filibuster an

unprecedented number of times in the obama presidency, invoking cloture. that is the role that ends the ends the rule that debate. before 1971, the number of cloture motions was never higher than seven for any session in congress. our phone lines are open at 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 if you are a democrat. independents, 202-748-8002. we welcome our audience on c-span radio. newell is joining us from jersey, democrats line pretty good friday morning. caller: good morning, steve. it is a sad time that it started said we arecconnell going to make him a one term president and when the congressman shouted out "you lie."

the only way the republican stay can survive now is to divided, is to accept the fact that even the other day to put the flag at half staff for senator john mccain and then to put it back up to the top, they have lost civility because that is the only way they could survive with their base as far as keeping us more divided. it is more like entertainment and it is entertainment because that is why it is acceptable that we have a president that "pocahontas."ator that any time it gets hot because of all the shenanigans that they are doing and the first thing is what about hillary clinton's emails or what

about barack obama? the problem is, the only way usy could survive is to keep divided and try to make a wage where they can gain more -- the only sad part about it is old, white males are the only ones who are carrying the narrative because they are fading out. host: cornell from new jersey three to thank you for the call. mike has this tweet. mccain wascorrect, one of the only lawmakers willing to work with different views to get things done. we need to turn the clock back and work together once again." then there is this from carol who says senator mccain was right, we are a nation that lost its way. the progressive far left wants to lead us to socialism, which

seldom ever works because it kills incentive. we go to glenn from pennsylvania, independent line. with the passing of john mccain, is that the end of bipartisanship in congress? caller: we cannot give up hope. we have to keep hope alive and i hope we will get back to that. i want to pay tribute to mr. mccain. i appreciate this man and his .eart and his intention he has a good intention and i really appreciate it and we will lose a good man. thank you for mr. mccain for what he did for this country and president -- mr. trump, you are such a loser, brother. you are such a loser. host: this is from -- john

mccain was responsible for bipartisanship. remember he gave us sarah palin and joe the plumber. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, sir. caller: i want to say i think john mccain is an outstanding veteran, outstanding american. i think he has done an outstanding job representing his state of arizona and this country. he will be truly missed and that is about it. host: thank you, william. tomorrow's ceremony, the eulogies delivered by former president barack obama and former president george w. bush. joe biden, whos first met john mccain in the late 1970's. john mccain serving as a navy aide on capitol hill before he was elected to congress and here is what joe biden said at the services in phoenix. [video clip]

>> during long debates in the 1980's and 1990's, i would always go over and sit next to john. he would come over on the democratic side and sit next to me. i am not joking. we would sit there and talk to each other. i can remember the day when i came out to see john, we reminisced about it. it was in 1996 and we were about to adjourn for what we called the caucuses, there is a luncheon once a week. all the democratic senators and all the republican senators and we both went into our caucus and, coincidentally, we were approached by our caucus leaders with the same thing raised as a discussion. joe, it doesn't look good you sitting next to john all the time. i swear to god. the same thing was said to john in your caucus.

that is when things began to change for the worse in america, in the senate. that is when it changed. times,ppened was those it was always appropriate to challenge another senator's judgment, but never appropriate to challenge their motive. when you challenge their motive, it is impossible to get to go. if i say you are doing this because you are being paid off, if i say you are doing this because you are not a good christian. it is impossible to reach consensus. think about in your personal lives. all we do today is attack the opposition's in both parties, their motives. not the substance of their argument. .mid 1990's

it began to go downhill from there. -- vicermer president president joe biden delivering tributes to his friend, political rival, and former senate colleague, john mccain. we posted the entire ceremony at c-span.org. matthew says there will be a huge bump in attempts at bipartisanship come november. republicans will bend over backwards to want to work with the -- democrats then. dems want open borders, sanctuary cities, more regulations, government to control every aspect of your life. gop wants to protect the border, low taxes, follow the constitution and freedom. ceremonies yesterday following tribute that north baptist church as john mccain's body was transported on a military plane and arriving in washington last

night for services today at the rotunda of the u.s. capitol. let's go back to national public radio, who says it is not just republicans to blame for the lack of bipartisanship. the lack of bipartisanship is not all about republicans, using was normalized by then democratic senate leader harry reid. while democrats have traditionally been more likely to believe the importance of compromising over sticking to believes, even that seems to be changing. on the republican line from little rock, arkansas, richard. good morning. caller: thank you for letting me speak here, boss. senator mccain's passing has pretty much brought up that americans are lazier and less intellectual. it's so much easier to take one side and not want to hear the other side and work with somebody. by the lack of government being taught in our schools how things

were originally brought about in the early days, that goes further. the last thing is you had a caller earlier that brought up what mitch mcconnell said about president obama when he took office, we make him a one term president. the after that was we want to work with this young man and get as much done as we can. it is every party's duty to make one president or one party be a one term president. if everybody would learn a little bit more, we could get back to basics. i think things would work out in the country a lot better. host: richard, thanks. steve has this tweet, whether it is the centerleft or center-right, america works best from the center. we can blame both parties, but the gop has moved so far right, they refuse to compromise. susan is next on the lifer independents from springfield -- on the line for independents

from springfield, missouri. caller: what upsets me right now out of the white house is the of being investigated by the mueller investigation is so great that it almost seems like we are seeing the emperor has no clothing and with all the things that are being reported with all the people coming around the i am almost in depression because of the way our country is being seen around the world and as an independent, i tend to vote for the person, i voted for mccain in the primary in 2000 and i just finished watching on your channel the funeral, i missed it yesterday or the day before when it was on and i cried through the whole thing because he was such a man like ted kennedy, that would work across the aisle and joe biden and if our congress and senate would just go back to

working together, i think we could get things done because there are things in every district of this country that -- be changed at the national level that would help with many things, roads and things that cannot be done at the state level. host: thank you for the call. the new york times with a story that senator mccain and his family spending the last 8 months planning every detail of the funeral and the services today and the mass tomorrow at the national cathedral in washington, d.c.. the headline from thr washington times focusing on the will happen -- washington times focusing on what will happen next tuesday. confirmationgh's hearing gets underway. nothing from the first 500 pages of record likely to do his nomination. -- doom his nomination.

c-span will be your source for gavel to gavel coverage. another set of hearings on wednesday with executives from facebook and twitter on capitol hill, including the senate intelligence committee. rosa is joining us, jackson, michigan, republican line. our question is whether senator mccain's death means that end of his brand of bipartisanship on capitol hill. caller: i have three points. the last point will answer your question. mccain did not invite sarah palin and trump to the funeral. that was wrong. he is the president of the united states and if he wanted to be bipartisan, if that president would have been at the president -- at the funeral, republicans and everyone else would have had more respect that he deserves. number two, the money being spent for this funeral cost over

$200,000 to start that plane. that is what was said in 1993. that money could have been spent for the veterans suffering today. it takes more than one man to win a football game. this baloney about any bipartisanship and him being so great is not so great and he never helped the vets in arizona. my father was one of the people that died because of in 1976ment of the vets because they performed a test that wasn't done right. , iator, rest in peace don't think you deserve everything going on for you. goodbye. our: jody has this tweet, government works best when all lovers of government are split between the parties, not all one party like it is now. from the wall street journal, a photograph of the body of john mccain traveling to washington, d.c. "jeff sessions to keep his job for now."

based on an interview from bloomberg news, no decision will be made until after the midterm elections, but would not guarantee jeff sessions would remain in the position after november. you can read more front -- at bloombergnews.com. sophia joining us from the bronx in new york, democrats line. the end of bipartisanship. caller: my goodness. this lady that just called took it out of my mouth. i was calling to say i hope, today, anybody that calls not to call anything negative about john mccain. it is so sad, but the first one is to tell you i missed you, i have not seen you since june, steve. each time i am watching, i haven't seen you because you did make us feel hope

to have you interview. i hope you let me just -- i will be faster to tell you why you up -- why i appreciate you. it was in june you interbreed -- interviewed sarah huckabee sanders and you were so polite, so kind, so patient. nicely. one word you say to her was one word you said, you are smiley. -- smiling. that did the whole thing for the conversation. i know a lot of people probably did not watch that, but i watched it from the beginning to the end because she was a robot. you were interviewing a robot. i hope one day we get a chance for you to interview trump, donald trump read i am from new york. i have known him for 42 years --

because you would be kind kind calm, fair, because you cannot fight the devil. thank you so much. host: let me go back to the point about bipartisanship. did you want to weigh in on that? caller: well, that is one thing about bipartisanship, what he did, senator mccain, has done excellent. that is why everybody is so -- i have cried before he died, which is friday. friday when they said they said they took the stuff from him, he did not want it, i said that is it. i am 68 years old. people hard because the we elected, some of them do good jobs. what can we do but don't you

always -- always you should respect and love for your country and that is what he did. he tried, he cannot be perfect, but people are for sure, really listening about our president, what we have now. is this what we deserve? thank you for listening to me. thank you, sophia. this is from karen, her opinion piece in the washington post. andrew gillum, the democratic nominee and ron desantis say it is a partisan petri dish and the --ults could be for boarding for voting for the 2020 presidential election -- foreboding for the 20 tony -- 2020 presidential election. former vice president john

mccain saying the passing of john mccain means the enb of bipartisanship -- end of bipartisanship. 202-748-8001 if you are a republican. for democrats, 202-748-8000. for independents, 202-748-8002. mary has this tweet, bipartisanship ended with newt in 1994. check out c-span radio's three c-span radio app and our mehdi podcasts. -- many podcasts. caller: good morning. quite entertaining this morning, i have to say. i will try not to speak ill of the dead, because that would be disrespectful. i will concede senator mccain's military service and his time as a personal -- prisoner of war at the hanoi hilton was heroic and he served his country well. his political career lasted 35

years. i don't think anyone should be in washington, d.c. for 35 years , regardless of what anyone thinks their accomplishments might be. that was not the intention of the founding fathers and that is where the problems we have do not lie in whoever occupies the white house for four or eight years. that person can be a lightning rod, that person can be somewhat partisan, they've got their ideas. the problems we have for all this talk of john mccain and bipartisanship, the problems lie in congress. the problems lie with people who have been there simply far too long and that includes john mccain. that includes mitch mcconnell. that includes nancy pelosi, charles schumer. , it you are there that long is a swamp and we all know it. to what washington, d.c. is and that is why we need

fresh ideas and fresh people on a regular basis to turn that soil over. awed andwhat flabbergasted by all the praise coming mostly from democrats. republicans are kind of reserved with regards to senator mccain because some people call him a maverick. i think he really had no core ideology whatsoever. he was all over the map and the one thing that truly -- although i did vote for him because i did not like the alternative in 2008. campaignn-feingold finance bill that became law signed by president bush really was a defining moment for me with john mccain. the bill with -- was riddled with unconstitutional mandates on freedom of speech, particularly political speech. that bill, which became law, which president pushed --

president bush should have by what thegutted democrats love today, citizens united. it was ruled that people have a right to voice their opinion through buying advocacy ads, not donating large sums of money to candidates, but buying tv time and radio time to compete with the vested interest and the fact -- for co-authored that somebody that allegedly was a conservative republican and if i might, and lastly, watching the liberal media -- and i will call them that. over john mccain, these are the same people 10 years ago who tried to destroy john mccain and his family with false stories in the new york times about a legend affairs because, why? after his had an r name and was running against barack obama.

and now that he is dead and not a threat to them -- and that is harsh, but it is true -- they are fawning all over him. he was just a guy, it is not the end of the world. we will go on and find our way through this and so many of the comments and tweets are so revealing. white people are the problem, that last lady with the fairly thick accent from the bronx. god bless her, but she is talking about being kind and gentle and then she is throwing out terms like sarah huckabee sanders is a robot and slamming president trump. she is preaching kindness and compassion, but it is ok to be mean and hateful if they are republicans and conservatives. that is my opinion. host: thank you very much for the call. we appreciate it. of thee metro section washington post, john mccain

will rest in annapolis alongside an intrepid crew of navy heroes. you can read the details at the washington post's website. he will be buried at the naval academy. bipartisanship has been gone since president clinton and this saying mccain's efforts to seek compromise was met with criticism for working with democrats. finally this from kevin, mccain was not perfect, he just seems that way compared to the current occupant of the white house. send us a tweet at @cspanwj. linda is joining us on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am only going to share with you what my husband has shared about john mccain. year --e plebes the when he was a plebe at the naval academy.

my husband lived across the corridor from john and he said -- i said, what can you say about john? he said, i can say he was belligerent and i could say he had a chip on his shoulder and then my husband paused and said, but after his internment, he came out a better, more sensitive man and, of course, he was senator goldwater's fairchild in arizona. the thing i have to say about john mccain is as a navy wife of an aviator, john left his first welland that did not stick with navy wives because she went through, i am sure, terrific, sorrowful, horrible days and she

had an accident in new york city. she was not terribly well. host: you are talking about his wife, carol, his first wife. caller: and when he came home from vietnam, in a short while, he divorced her and met cindy. you also have to wonder he never had to worry about constituency or money because cindy is a coors beer heiress. he could more or less do what he wanted and i think he certainly did mellow and he certainly did have some good ideas about the military, but this business of putting him on a pedestal, i have to think that with -- what the gentleman just said, we are not being objective about john. his mother, roberta, was a real pistol. she is 100 to six and i had a

friend who said his name was bill and he called john johnny. host: that is what his mother called him, too. we did an interview with her when she was 95. just type in roberta mccain and you will get a real sense of that half-hour interview. she still lives in her apartment on connecticut -- connecticut avenue at age 106. caller: she is a pistol. i've am just giving you some thoughts. he really changed in many ways. about his politics, i do not know him off about that. -- enough about that. host: from the time that you and your husband at the naval academy and his time as an aviator, is your husband still alive? caller: yes, he served on the uss wasp, he was a pilot and flew over russian submarines

during the age of the 60's and then he went on to work in the corporate world. host: what year did he graduate? caller: 1958 and he will be buried next to chuck larson, who has the character -- the real character of a steadfast is in very good company with chuck larson. we met chuck larson, he was an amazing, amazing man. you have got to understand at least he served the country well when he was a prisoner of war. he was not a good aviator. he crashed on the enterprise, .illing a sailor he was a wild child for a long time. in historyt a mark and that is basically all i have to say. host: thank you for phoning in

and adding your personal story as a navy wife. thank you for your service and your husband. the arizona republic, a final flight as the military plane carrying the body of john mccain along with family members from the arizona republic and also from the waves, a sitting tribute to an american hero. this from the record, friends call john mccain a hero. back to your phone calls and we are using the death of john mccain to talk about bipartisanship or the lack there of. walter from maryland, what do you think of all this? caller: thank you for taking my call. i watched a bit of joe biden's speech yesterday and as much as i like joe biden, i think his comments about bipartisanship .ere really nonsense the idea that you should not

question the motives of another ofator, it is kind ridiculous. of course you question motives. in court proceedings, motive is an important part of any truth operation. when i think of bipartisanship, there never was any bipartisanship really. that business with merrick garland, to me, was the absolute death valley of anything that approached partisanship, that they would not even talk to him now kavanaugh is out there like he is some sort of golden boy. host: and that will likely come up during the confirmation hearing that will take place next tuesday. william from new york on the republican line, your view on

all of this. , i am william, but i am from california. on the air.u are are you a republican? caller: yes, i am. that is what i am saying, i am a republican william from california. host: we are glad to hear from you. caller: thank you. calling -- to stick to your question, whether his death is the end of bipartisanship. i don't think that would be -- my answer would be no, it is not the end of bipartisanship. in and of itself. i don't think you had this question up when the democrats called for resistance to the presidency of donald trump and look at any defections as some

l.rt of the trail -- betraya how come bipartisanship is always supposed to be the incumbent on the republican party? this goes to the issue of hypocrisy, that the gentleman a couple of callers ago, which i agreed -- agree with quite extensively, about the liberal, hypocritical fawning over mccain now when he was running against behindocrat with an r his name, he was a racist, homophobic, all the usual slurs. host: thank you for the call from california. tillman agrees with you, saying on his twitter page i never thought i would see the day when progressives would fawn over a pro-war politician. i want to go back to the words jimormer secretary of state

bakker, 88 years old living in houston, texas. he served in the reagan and george h. w. bush administrations and he writes "as a result we have become an red state, blue state nation more intent on waging political battles than finding ways in advancing the common good. in this new age of red meat national politics, everyone uses the misbehavior of others to justify their own." he goes on to say there have always been partisan political fights in this country, that is part of the democratic debate that help the american experiment works so well. in the past, leaders demonstrated common civility to reach the elusive center in governance. doing so required each side to take positions that both would except. that is from former secretary of state jim baker in the washington journal and josephine is running us from new jersey. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. let me extend my sympathies to

the mccain family. let me just say this much. he is a third generation of the service, not really. sons and one in the marine and one in the navy, that is a four generation. that family has given to this country. that is what it means to respect the love of country. you were asking the question about partisanship and when did it change. i will tell you when it changed. firstmber jerry ford saying they were required to work five days a week and they had to live there with their families. she said my friends were democrats on my father's side. we knew each other. there was never hate because the families lived in the same area. once they started this business on working three

days a week, supposedly they were to come back to their districts to deal with the public, it wasn't needed. we needed them to do their job and do their job diligently. it is respect. to say all the democrats all of a sudden are giving respect, the word is respect. the man deserved respect. did i agree with him all the time? that, but i have respect for what he stood for and for anybody saying they did not have respect for him when he gave that much to our country, shame on you and to the person who said he did not invite sarah palin, sorry to disappoint you, she wasn't uninvited, she chose, herself, not to go even though she lives in arizona. when you cannot get your information straight, i am sad

to say, you are right about him not inviting the president, but sadly, the president stabbed him in the back so many times. how many times do you put your face forward and get stabbed in the back? don't you were married the other day? he put the flag back up. it never was done before. all the veterans associations complained to the president. they had to complain to him to give him a little civility. my goodness. what do you expect. host: thank you for the call. bill press out with a new book "trump must go." he will be with us at the top of the hour. this is from bobby, bipartisanship should not be a goal when the choices are to do right by the people or cater to organizations. republicans have long placed corporations over long working people. of you are saying mccain's unconstitutional campaign --

bill is a stain on the nation. it seems like senator mccain is doing more good while dead than this president is while alive. mccain's death is prompting us to have this conversation. hopefully it is the beginning of something good. michael is joining us, republican line in california. good morning and thank you for being with us. caller: i wanted to say there were some portions of mccain's career that were bipartisan and he was part of the gang of 8 and initially, when he wanted to appoint lieberman as his vice president of candidate in 2008. i will tell you about real bipartisanship. real bipartisanship was when abraham lincoln asked andrew democrat, aennessee pro-southerner to go on the ticket to try to pull the country together only for johnson to become president two

or three months after being inaugurated when lincoln was assassinated and the country was being torn apart because of the fact that johnson tried to appoint people to his cabinet and try to fire stanton and the secretary of war and sometimes, bipartisanship goes the other way because you have a very partisan, radical republicans that were controlling the congress at the time and if i believe, they needed 36 votes to impeach johnson and he fell one short and he was a lame duck and you have to keep in mind andrew johnson did not have a vice president. had he been impeached, the president pro tem of the senate what have been the new president and would have had two consecutive nonelected president. sometimes bipartisanship isn't what you think it is. host: thank you for that history lesson. mccain would never belittle other americans. his was the death of civility.

at 9:30 eastern time, we will open our phone lines and we want to hear from federal workers. the president is planning a pay freeze for federal civilian workers. this does not affect military employees, but civilian workers will not get a pay raise in 2019 unless congress weighs in. we will get your reaction to all of that coming up later in the program. the president's rally in indiana and biden and mccain's eulogy offering a 2020 style of the -- preview of the styles. -- one ofoe donnelly the states republicans helped to pick up in states donald trump won in 2016. he c-span will have extensive coverage of the midterm elections, including debates. we covered the other one in the democratic primary in new york. much more coming up in september and october.

debbie, new orleans, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i got to listen to 6 callers prior to me finally getting through. i am a 55-year-old lady. former military brat and former military wife, worked for the federal government through president reagan, clinton, obama, bush. i never really got into politics until katrina and after katrina, i got very involved and if it wasn't for barack obama finally unleashing the funds we needed in the city because president bush hold onto -- held onto it for so long because of no bipartisanship, i have watched the bipartisanship go out the window. in the comments i have been

listening to, especially the derogatory ones, i was raised for the common good of everybody and where we are now, it is everybody for themselves. until we bridge that gap and stop hating the others that have different beliefs, i am considered still young. however, i feel like sometimes my opinions are old. this country is not going to go forward. host: thank you for the call. michael with this tweet, both parties spent the last 25 years pushing this interest out of congress. new candidates must pass the litmus test to get funding to run. this section of the washington post has a look at descendents of past presidents, part of the four day summit taking part in washington sponsored by the white house historical

association. you can watch it over the weekend and on our website at c-span.org. newsmakers, which airs every weekend including sunday at 10:00 eastern, our guest is stephen law of the senate leadership fund trying to help elect more senate republicans and this question from new york times reporter jonathan martin. [video clip] will seefair to say we the groups you run make a financial investment in the texas senate race in the weeks to come? worried ifsay yet ted cruz needs our help, we will be there. we will have to take measurements of our own. he is not going to be for want of resources and outside help if he needs. >> what does that say to you about politics that the mcconnell group might come to the rescue of one rafael ted cruz in 2018? incumbents noour

matter what and i think senator cruz has become more of a partner in the senate than in the past, less of a gadfly and i think that helped him politically, in his own state, and in the caucus. host: stephen law was our guest on "newsmakers." pulling in texas showing beto o'rourke within 1 to 2 percentage points to -- of ted cruz and word is that president trump will travel to campaign for his former presidential rival. on the independent line from pittsburgh, good morning. caller: how is everybody going? host: we are good, thank you for joining us today. caller: i want to talk about the bipartisanship thing. what makes america great is creating that balance between the prophet, nonprofit and right prophet seems to be the

head -- profit seems to be the head of the body like a frankenstein situation. i am a republican, but for the votingyears, i have been democrat because of the lack of bipartisan ship -- bipartisanship issues. obama, in my opinion, was the only president who did not use his position to perpetuate his right. everybody else, as soon as they get in there, i don't know if trump is perpetuating white people or money people. i am leaning toward more money people. host: thank you for the call. the last look at the queen of soul. aretha franklin and services today at the new bethel baptist church in detroit. aretha franklin performing for a number of presidents, including at the white house correspondents association dinner for bill clinton and the inaugural ceremonies of president barack obama, also

receiving the medal of freedom award by george w. bush and that gold casket carrying the remains of singer aretha franklin. she died earlier this month. nate from milwaukee, democrats line. good morning. .aller: hi i have to mention that screener that i voted for mccain in 2008, but i thought it was somebody that would bring a level of respect to the republican party in that i thought he always thought for democracy. the criticisms of campaign-finance reform i heard earlier, no, it is right-wing activist justices -- judges that ofe been getting rid campaign finance laws. before he died, he opposed gerrymandering, which is basically rigging elections like the drawing lines on a map and kris kobach, in charge of the commission looking at rigged

elections didn't even bother to touch that issue and we had a supreme court, he doesn't really care about it, he just wants to deprive people of the ability to vote. i think mccain stood for being conservative in terms of a lot of things republicans did. at the same time, he wanted to have a certain amount of honesty in our politics, in our --ernment and i think that in addition to his willingness to occasionally go across the aisle and say that is a better idea. host: thank you for the call. this is a tweet, now the gop blocked everything obama wanted, they want bipartisanship, ha ha. joey who saysfrom his thumbs down was maverick enough for me. send us a tweet at @cspanwj.

fred in alabama, thank you for waiting, independent line. caller: good morning. i am calling in because i like john mccain. i like john mccain. he served in the military and he went on flights and everything. he lived a good life and he was a good politician. he did what he thought was right, even if it turned out to be wrong. it and would not apologize for it. i loved john mccain. i wish he would rest in peace. thanks, john. host: we go to gym in north dakota. good morning, jim. caller: i was waiting a long time on the phone, so i hope you give me a few minutes. i have only 5 to 7 here on the east coast, i have to get over the ritter -- river to minnesota where we are gearing up for the sugarbeet harvest coming up.

i wanted to say the apotheosis of the pain -- of mccain is really interesting to watch. some of the callers -- democrats and msnbc is talking like this guy is the greatest thing in the world and i voted for the guy. even after we forget sometimes what he did in 2006 with the mccain-kennedy, bush amnesty. that was a bitter pill, that we actually fought that pretty well. we actually were able to stop that from happening. mccain's campaign was pretty wishy-washy. i did not think he would win. his choice of palin. one of the things recently that is interesting is some of his last remarks, he echoed what bush said in his second inaugural greed he said we are not a blood and soil nation,

that we are a real nation. any president who said that up to john kenny would have laughed at you. this country is of course rooted in blood and soil. i grew up in pennsylvania and my ancestors fought with washington's army. one third of his army was german-americans. , theye crossed to trenton did not cross for an idea. they did not cross for some future multicultural dogma, they crossed for farms and ladies at home and kids to push these invaders off their land and they left their blood. i have been to the revolutionary war graves on the side of the men that froze to death. for a warrior like john mccain to say something like that is whatng and an example of the guy from north carolina said, that he had no core beliefs.

we are rooted in the common culture, common language, common belief is kinde of the thing that got us in trouble in iraq and john mccain was for that. george bush, he even pulled me along with that idea. propositional nation. it is borders that were created and inside there are three different ethnic groups that hated each other for centuries. when we tried to go in there, we ended up with one million people dead. host: this is a total aside question, but what does the sugarbeet crop look like this year? caller: it looks great and really quick, things are really coming -- really humming out here. host: thanks for the call, we appreciate it. canada calls the trade talks with the u.s. encouraging, the president trying to announce a deal today with canada, already

announcing the agreement with mexico. try to begin the clock for a congressional action by december first. from politico.com, the president mediag cnn, nbc, and executives, his speech in indiana last night that we covered live here on c-span. from california on the democrats line, the issue of bipartisanship with the passing of senator john mccain, does that mean the end of it here in congress? good morning. caller: i really don't want to call about bipartisanship. i wanted to talk about cancer. i am a fourth state metastatic breast cancer fighter. john mccain had cancer and that is the only thing i had in common with him. i did not agree with his politics and a lot of the mistakes he did make. i believe he was disrespected by trump in the way he was handling

his last year and fighting cancer. there are many, many people fighting cancer, including john mccain, who fought well. -- from one cancer patient to another, john mccain, may you rest in peace and people need to be aware -- we are human beings. we are human beings. we are just human beings and we may have differences in our politics, but one thing i had in common with him and that is a fight with cancer. host: when were you diagnosed with cancer? caller: this is my second diagnosis. i was diagnosed originally in 2013 and it came back in 2014. i have the brca 2 mutation. -- tumor in my

.ung, and my spine host: how are you feeling right now? caller: i am tired as heck. i have these insomnia moments and so i watch washington journal. host: i hope the treatment goes well. we wish you the very best. let's go next to mark joining us from massachusetts. good morning, mark. caller: good morning. my name is mark. can you he or me? host: we sure can, go ahead. caller: my name is mark and i am a democrat from massachusetts. my super the end thoughts to the mccain family. i followed john mccain through the kennedy -- when senator ted kennedy was senator. the one thing he did was they may have disagreed on some things, but mccain could compromise on other things to read i think compromise has gone

out the window since bill clinton. i think people have lost the ideology of who they are and what they believe in. host: thanks. that past away nine years apart on the same day and both battling the same type of devastating brain cancer. our last call is from new jersey on the republican line. joseph, you get the last word. caller: i would like to say the death of senator mccain bogs down the senate in its ability to reach a compromise and that is mainly because -- host: joseph from new jersey. when calls like that get through, we apologize because this is supposed to be an open forum, but we want it to be a civil forum. if you do not want to participate in that, go somewhere else because you are not welcome on this network. you make the conversation less

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court, and public policy evenson washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. announcer: washington journal continues. host: we want to love them back bill press. guest: nice to see you. host: the book at the end of august? the robert mueller investigation ends tomorrow. that is what rudy giuliani said september 1. host: the book is called trump must go. the top 100 reasons to dump trump. let's begin where the book begins. enough is enough. the country cannot absorb anymore. becomend corruption have the new normal. this madness cannot continue.

i think that lays it out. -- those of us who did not vote for trump still but we are americans. we respect the presidency. we will give this guy a chance to prove he is up to the job, that he is worthy of representing us as americans. he has proven he is not worthy of the job and his policies. look at trump on two levels. in the book focuses on his policies. that is what we ought to be looking at. his policies here and abroad have been a disaster and dangerous for this country. also look at him as a person. as a person, he is just -- we deserve better. i do not have to go into all things -- the things we know.

we would not want our children to grow up like him. we would not say look at the presidents. there is your role model. we are embarrassed by this guy. disagree.e will book, this is a patriotic and i go back to the declaration and site the declaration of independence, that we are the boss in this country. duty when weht and elect a representative's. when the government becomes so tyrannical it is infringing on our rights, we cannot stand. we have a right and duty to rise up and overthrow the government. we did it against a tyrannical king. we can do it against a tyrannical president. that, it step to do want to quote thomas jefferson

who says: the history of the present is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations call --, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states, to prove this let facts be cemented to a candid world -- submitted to a candid world. i decided i would submit the facts for getting rid of donald trump. host: you are personal. you say you have to deal with donald trump the person because his personality trumps all. we have never had a more loathsome, obnoxious person in the oval office, nor anyone so unfit for the job of president. talk to conservative republicans, they like the fact there are conservatives on the court. they like the tax cuts. they like the strong economy. guest: i do want to point out

that is the first point -- parts. you can look at the policies. most of the book is devoted to his policies. the iranian nuclear deal. his immigration policies. you cannot ignore donald trump a person. i think he is a loathsome personality, a guy who brags about sexual assault. the guy who calls women dogs. who has paid hush money to --stitutes and foreign stars --porn stars. i believe history will be kinder to donald trump than they are to republicans across the street, the leadership. this is behavior in terms of policies and personality that they would never tolerate and

anybody else. they do so for donald trump. they turn a blind eye because what have they always wanted? tax cuts and more conservative judges. and as long as donald trump is giving them that in going along with that, they do not give a dman. --damn. they do not care. bill press, formally on cnn and msnbc now heard on the book: and the latest number 10. guest: if you do not like number 10, you can take number nine, which also came out earlier in the year which we talked about on c-span. this is my memoir part one. i am going to leave it at that.

there are things in there that one never knew before. let's go back to yearbook. one reason to keep him. he write about the vice president. we could be stuck with mike pence. he has buffaloed people, liberal and conservative's. his political agenda comes out of the playbook. he is the most disgusting suck up to trump. the point is with all of his faults, donald trump is a bumbler. he makes mistakes. he is not very effective. what did he promise to do? build a wall. repeal obamacare. he did not repeal obamacare. in the nuclear threat with north korea. he did not do that.

as dangerous as he is, he is an effective. mike pence knows what he is doing. mike pence is an insider. he has respect on capitol hill. he has been there is a governor. he knows how washington works. he knows how to get things done. he knows how to keep the low-profile and deal with people. he is not flamboyant, in your face ugly attack dog that donald trump is. i think in terms of a policy point of view, mike pence would be more dangerous and defective the donald trump because he would get things done. host: mike is joining us from maryland. republican line. caller: how are you? host: you are listening on c-span radio. is thismy only comment

is what the democratic party has always been about the last couple years. just hate on donald trump. hope we win some elections. it is not going to happen. you attack these people purposely. aboutd you your comment calling mike pence disgusting. he called donald trump this and that. we know what we got. we know he is not the most tasteful man. we know he is not in collusion with russia. we know he is a patriot. you don't understand how unobjectionable your arguments are. and it isrbole ineffectual. if you got yourself together and told people some kind of semblance of a plan other than the socialist plan yala falling into, that trap has been late for you.

go right after it. .fter 2023, mike pence host: thank you. guest: i would like to point out was chairman of the california democratic party twentysomething years ago. i do national television. i am not here to speak for california. i have nothing to do with the democratic party other than being a democrat. the idea donald trump could only win in california, he lost popular vote. he is president of the united states legitimately. but he lost the popular vote hillary clinton. his policies and person or not the popular and i point out that basically his approval rating has been roughly the same since highcame president, mid to

40's. his base is never going to move. i think the rest of the american people are taking a second look. i would look at the success of andrew gillum and florida. -- in florida. of been jealous in maryland. -- been jealous in maryland. --ben jealous in maryland. significantthat that despite headlines and negative stories of donald trump, he has remained steady in the 40's? blind toose people are any fault of donald trump or difficulties. a lot of them and sincerely, i do not mean to be -- beat. they won somebody who is going to shake up the system. god knows donald trump has done that. they see him as somebody. this andnders saw

donald trump. this saw there was a deep dissatisfaction with the republican party and the democratic party, with establishment politics and that is what appealed. that is why donald trump appealed to so many people. host: democrat line, steve. it is a pleasure to speak to bill press because i watch his show all the time and he and tom hartman are two of my greatest mentors in history and government. the one thing i wanted to talk about is -- how do we get the democratic voters to get out and show their power this year? i see the women's movement. the youth movement. hopefully the millennials will do something this year.

we have got to change this government. guest: steve, that is an excellent point. it is the one of the things i feel most excited about this year, which is we see an energy and momentum and excitement about politics, particularly on the democratic side i have not seen since the anti-vietnam war back in 1968. it is showing up. 49 statee been legislative seats since donald trump to presidency and became president. 49 seats in deep red districts. that has flipped from red to blue. people see the opportunity. look at andrew gillum in florida. look at georgia. turnout amongcord

democrats. ucb energy. ,- you see the energy particularly among women. i think it is going to make a difference in the house. this is not a call for impeaching donald trump. this is a call for making the change. that is above my pay grade. robert mueller could indict him. congress could impeach him. when i am talking about is american people. we have to do our job in the first place we have to do our job is in the midterm elections coming up. that is one way to put a big roadblock in front of donald trump policies, by democrats taking back the house or the senate. this is a call to arms, meaning a call to vote which is so important. entitled trumpis

must go. you list 100. he is a pathological liar. he is ignorant. he is an overgrown toddler. he is a racist and sexist. he is a sexual predator. he is addicted to twitter and fox news. he is obsessed with hillary clinton and against everything obama was for. .et's go to susan independent line. caller: good morning. bear with me. i am an old lady. i try to be neutral and stand back and look at things. -- empire.me of the the military had all the choices and as far as the people, give them their food and bread and

circuses and i feel like i am living in the movie groundhog day. it seems like trump is trying to cause division between the constantlyhich he is complimenting opposed to the people. we are all one and the same thing. , if you look at it through history, is not a good thing in either direction. guest: good to talk to you. florida has got a chance to make a big difference this year. post, --the washington saying it is a peachy dish with the trump candidate and andrew gillum the left candidate of what 2020 will mean. guest: you could not have a greater contrast in american politics today than the governor's recent florida.

-- race in florida. -- have an extreme tractor trumper who is only there because donald trump intervened in a republican primary. that is how ron desantis one. --won. then you have the mayor of tallahassee, florida who was supported by bernie sanders. wave, theents the new new wing, the new politics of the democratic party. referendum on donald trump down there. susan, we support and are grateful for the work of the military but there are men and women all around the uniform and

those who have served before, but for donald trump to put $54 billion in the pentagon budget than the other topic countries on the planet, talk about wasteful, unnecessary spending. this is not something the general asked for. donald trump what -- did this to show he is tough on the military. that money could have been spent on medicare, medicaid. education, more useful purposes. republican line, percy. our use or? -- how are you, sir? forer: i was a democrat years. i got one question. can't people open their eyes and see what trump is doing? he is not perfect. he has got faults.

i see the economy doing wonderful things. he is doing wonderful things with north korea and the military and civilian things. i have opened my eyes. altogether in this book. nobody is perfect. i'm not suggesting we have to have a perfect person as president. we never have. when you add up the personal faults and policy faults of donald trump, they are -- they focus on the policies. they have been dangerous for the country. let me mention a couple of things. itron --ng out of the iranian nuclear deal. they would abandon their nuclear weapons program for at least 15 years and maybe forever.

was working, even our director of national intelligence, our secretary of state said there is zero evidence that iran was violating that agreement. there was evidence they were living up to it and yet donald trump trashed it. why? it was a deal made by barack obama. that is the common fault of donald trump's presidency. he has one agenda. undo everything barack obama has anything to do with. good or bad. obamacare? get rid of it. iran nuclear deal? get rid of it. the auto industry, all of them supported. we can make these cars to 55 miles per hour. he got rid of them. you need more than up -- mormon

agenda than that. not writewrite i did this book. all i had to do was watch cable tv, capture the latest outrage with his help. this book wrote itself. the book is called trump must go. quick comment on that. he wrote the book and continues to write the book. every day. there is another reason or one or two or three that should be in this book. myis not ready yet but on website, there is going to be a website where people can add 100 so i had to my to turn this book in two months ago. day, moree 150 every reasons to dump him.

the new york times with some extensive stories, you can find online or in the newspaper, after the debate enjoying a day in the pre-spotlight, ruling out a 2021. this is a debate that took place on the campus of the university. in case you missed it, it is going to re-air at 7:00 eastern time sunday on c-span. here's a next her. [video clip] my job as governor is to protect new yorkers, whether it is the terrorism or climate change. part of the largest threat today is president trump. he is attacking everything we believe in in new york. right.ttacking a woman's he is attacking the rights of working men and women. he is attacking the environment. everything we believe. we passed marriage equality.

he will roll it back with his supreme court. we passed the toughest gun-control law. he will roll it back with his supreme court. he has to be stopped. i am going to fight with him. he tweets at me weekly. i welcome it. i would say donald trump did tweet at you about whether or not america was great and you backed down quickly. you stood up as well as he stands up to putin. when it comes to opposing donald trump in new york state, we already have a corrupt corporate republican in the white house. --do not need for art corrupt democrat and albany as his opposition. need to oppose donald trump not just with rhetoric but policy. why, have you not extended access to drivers' licenses to undocumented new yorkers if you

really care about combating the trump agenda and stopping the mass deportations of new york's undocumented people? this is something you could do right executive order. this is something i have set to do on my first day of office. presidente about the rolling back obamacare, why haven't you fought harder for single-payer? if you care about women, why have you prioritized republican leadership of the senate over the reproductive health? cynthia nixon and governor andrew cuomo in the democratic primary debate, assessing the debate there was no winner and no loser. both showing andrew cuomo still has a 30 point lead but we should point out we have seen other polls in races in which that has changed on election day. the primary is thursday, september 13.

not tuesday, september 11. guest: it was an exciting debate. it is remarkable how far cynthia nixon has come with zero political experience and not enthusiasm of the progressives in new york. what happens if she winds? --wins? host: it will be as stunning as andrew gillum in florida. andrew cuomo is far ahead now. so was gwen graham in florida. andrew gillum was 14 points or 15 points behind. he won on election day because back to steve's points, the enthusiasm of people going out to vote on election day. that was a populous. this is a very exciting race and

if the establishment democratic party, that we saw and florida that we saw in queens and georgia and we see in other parts of the country. andrew cuomo, he may be well ahead but you know he is nervous. he sees the footsteps. we want to thank w cbs. we want to thank all the local stations that allow us to carry the debates. 7:00 p.m. thisat sunday, the full hour debate. that, itick note to shows the influence and power of bernie sanders. , mydid not win the primary friend. --upport him in the primary supported him in the primary. host: will he run in 2020?

guest: yes, i believe. he may not have won the nomination go -- nomination, he did influence the democratic already. jealousseen it with ben and cynthia nixon's emergence as a serious candidate. she is running on medicare for all. -- kevin newsom is going to be the next governor of california. he is running on bernie sander'' platform, medicare for all. host: let's go to michael in seattle. independent line. good morning. high --hi. thanks for all your work for trying to inform the public to progressive ideals.

i was wondering, do you think the democratic party will actually begin to listen to the get behindbegin to the legalization of cannabis, because that is a big part of why andrew gillum one in florida --won in florida, promising to legalize marijuana? i think andrew cuomo in this election has changed his position and now supports the recreational use of marijuana. i think not just the democratic party, i think the american people are moving in that direction. i used to think there was a race between same-sex marriage or marriage equality and legalization of pot as to which one was going to get to 50 states first. with the help of the supreme court, marriage equality got there first.

it will not be long before recreational use of marijuana will get there. that aresome states not even in the 20th century let alone the 21st century. they have not recognized the importance of medical marijuana. in those states, like washington, like oregon, like california, starting in colorado where legalization has occurred, there have been zero problems avalanche of new tax money for those states. other states are going to go along by state legislature or state initiative but it is going to happen and while we are talking about seattle, one other name that does not get mentioned often in terms of prospects for 2020, is the governor of washington, former member of congress, great governor. i think he will be a contender

in 2020. a couple tweets of someone saying i am going to give cynthia nixon a close look. andrew cuomo's diapers were paid for by wall street. using for the position for personal gain on top of a mountain of illegal actions coming putting nepotism. america would be better off pence, and, mcconnell. is myress and force belief democrats have had it in for getting rid of my man donald trump from the day he was elected. he will be reelected. that is my personal feeling. guest: good luck. i have got a statement question. i used to be a democrat until people like bill press appears with all thecnn

negativity. why can't you guys get over it? thank you. guest: i love my country. i do not like to see my country led by a loathsome personality and dangerous man in the white house. we are a great country. we are a greek people. we deserve better than donald trump. the body of john mccain arrived last night outside of washington. this is what the ceremony looked like. it is here in washington in the rotunda of the capital. he will be the 31st person to lie in state in the rotunda of the capitol. you wrote a piece called: the real mccain, the phony trump, saying john mccain has received a mountain of praise because he deserves it. explain.

back in my cnn days, everywhere i went, i was asked, you are in washington. you have met all these senators. is there any one of them, republican or democrat, you really admire? i would always answer john mccain of arizona. i became close to him, admired him so much then and today because i think he is everything we wanted in a senator. he is hard-working. he was well informed. he was a real fighter. a real patriot, dedicated to public service in the military and in government. as your caller said in the last hour, someone who really believed in getting things done and reaching across

the aisle to bring people together to get things done and even had the courage to break with leaders of his own party when he felt it was necessary. avalanche of praise for john mccain we have seen from republicans and democrats, from members of the media, from foreign leaders. i think it is threefold. number one, because of who he is. he was a great man. he deserves that praise. people see with his passing the end of an era. dedication to of progress and getting things done in washington as opposed to bitter partisan fighting, will we ever see that they again? john mccain and teddy kennedy exemplified that. the spirit does exist. and i think part of it is, the

contrast, when people see john mccain and then they see donald trump. you cannot have a greater difference between those people. one services country in vietnam 5.5 years with torture to the end of his day. he cannot lift his arms above his head. donald trump told howard stern that vietnam was avoiding sexually transmitted diseases. guest: you and i were at the denver airport when john mccain nominated sarah palin. i will never forget the look on your face. you called that decision a colossal mistake. .uest: it was a mistake it is significant and telling among the people not invited to ceremonies this week, sarah palin was not invited.

john mccain was not a perfect man. he named sarah palin. he voted for the trump tax cuts. he voted against the bush tax cuts. he didn't vote. he was getting medical care at that time. rackted for the war any q.ira i'm not saying i agreed on every policy, but you had to admire his love, his service for the country and his independence. i think you and i may have been together in new hampshire in 2000, in that primary where he beat george w. bush by 18 points. and in on the express between campaign, john mccain would take questions on any subject as long as you wanted. and no candidate, no other

candidate has done that since and i do not think most candidates are even capable of doing that. know the issues well enough to do that. myra is joining us from new york. democrat line. caller: good morning. i'm agree with you -- i agree with you 100% with everything. i put a lot of hope in the youth of this country. and women. we need more women in congress. voted for bernie in the primaries. i just wonder, throw you for a loop. , thatre any republican you could except as president? that is throwing me for a

loop. let me say this. i think, how many candidates in the republican primary in 2016, any of the other 15 would be more acceptable to me than donald trump. i remember when scott walker dialed out. he said i am getting out because i know i cannot win. and i want to stop donald trump and the only way we're going to stop him is if -- not just me, but all the others drop out except for one and we all rally behind one person and that person take all donald trump. sadly, they did not do that. even scott walker at that time. think this choose, i is really going to throw you may be. i think chris christie would have been the one that i think would have done the best job. to the book, sean

spicer and sarah sanders. guest: that does not mean i am supporting chris christie 42020. given those choices, certainly not ted cruz. not rick perry. problem isspicer's he would lie about anything for his boss. he was so bad at it those of us who covered the briefings began to dismiss him as a so -- hopeless con man. with sarah sanders, looks like she means it like everyone else in this wretched white house. host: i have covered the white , who thanks to you encouraged me to get my white house pass. through barack obama and went to the briefings every day and josh earnest.

what a difference in the white house briefings between then and now. it is not that we all like everything we heard from the obama people but the briefings were serious, solid, substantial. there was a lot of tension. a lot of back and forth. they worked. with sean spicer, it was different starting with his first light and he said this is the largest audience but never watched any inauguration period. it started off that way and you cannot trust him. telling lie after lie after lie that he was not good at it and feeling thing worse than a liar who is bad at it is a liar who is good at it and that is what we got with sarah sanders. are like ans today act of war every day. insults andutes of

lies and putting people down and attacking the media and i think she serves donald trump well but not the american people well. john the republican line, with bill press. caller: i have to say to bill i am sympathetic with his views because i had the same views for 40 years. now i cried when obama got elected. i thought he was going to help the blacks. i worked for obama on the phones. voted for him twice. voted democrat again. but i saw the light. the liberals, the left is not good. here is a point i would like to make. what did socialists use before kindles -- candles? electricity.

that is where the democratic party is taking us. host: have you respond? -- do you respond? guest: it is nonsense. , i might pointt you to a previous book of mine. that is a book that -- probably the book most critical about barack obama. ira that book when obama was in the white house. i supported him. i worked for him. i'm a liberal. but i was disappointed in some his presidency. i tried to give him credit for the great things he did but also when over places where he fell short, like obamacare. for medicareing for all, he went for this half-ass system called

obamacare. bringing us back to from the first recession since the great depression in the iran nuclear deal, on and on. compare that to the last two disastrous years of donald trump. john i do not think you saw the light. i think you have gone in a dark cold. and i hope you get out of it. host: our last call is from michigan. tim, independent line. caller: hello. what a pleasure to speak with two representatives of the two best networks on television. c-span and free speech tv. bill, before i get to could i suggest you have two more phone lines for republicans. --whaa-whaa.

if you could have a full month for third-party voters. host: we do have that for independent voters. caller: the reason i say third-party in particular, because republicans do not follow the rules. rules are for everybody else except them. host: can you imagine if we set -- one for mine for who? 1-800 boo who who. host: thanks for the suggestion. we will consider it. guest: i will talk about it. offended but i refer to you to gq. you're the best dressed man in television. guy who, i amne

got -- not going to mention his name. august sixth, august 15 and he called on the 26th. this is what i mean about republicans not following the rules. it is the same thing with elections. they rig everything with gerrymandering, taking people off the voter rolls. i do not get out anybody could be a republican unless they are just cheaters at their core. it is a pleasure and honor to talk to you. and stephanie.m she is my favorite. i would marry her if i wanted to subject her to a life of misery. is howdo not understand corporal --, where he gets the

unmitigated gall to file childishness to criticize john mccain, who i would not vote for but i respect as a human being. host: thanks for the call. guest: i just wanted to say i think there was never more evidence of how petty a person donald trump is than his response to john mccain during his illness and his death. the johnthat he signed mccain national defense authorization act, would not even mention the name of the bill because he does not want have to say the name john mccain. the fact white house it's had ,repared a statement for him which he refused to release and the fact that the fact -- flag up and down. he would not continue to fly the flag at half staff of the white

house to the american legion said come on. this guy is a great american hero. you have got to accept it. that is sad. i have got to say, the most important thing i say is democrats getting busy. that is the point of this book. midterms are coming up. if you're not happy with the trump presidency, which i am not , we have got a chance to do something about it which is get out and vote in the midterms. it is important for state legislature, for governor, for congress and senate. we have a duty as an american people to bring about change and not wait for somebody else to do it for us. number 10 by our guest, trump must go. the top 100 reasons to dump trump and what to keep him. thanks for stopping by. speaking of john mccain, the

services in the rotunda behind me will get underway at 11:00 eastern time. the public ceremony will take place at 1:00 in the afternoon. the memorial service will take place tomorrow in washington at the national cathedral and private burial services sunday for john mccain on the grounds of the u.s. naval academy in annapolis. economy and the president: stephen moore, joining us to talk about trade and tax cuts. it is the friday, august 31. we are back in a moment. for live: join us coverage of the 18th annual library of congress national book festival, saturday starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern. our coverage includes our set of the washington convention center with pulitzer prize winning biography -- are preferred john meacham. -- biographer john meacham.

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eastern and watch in-depth fiction edition next month with geraldine brooks and in november with jodey picot. sunday night on q and a, charles calhoun talks about his biography on the 23rd president of the united states, benjamin harrison. indianapolis and that his house people thronged and he gave four speeches. his campaign people said this is the thing to do. let people come to you. months to thefour election, that is what happened. harrison stayed home. he would meet delegations, these visiting delegations around the , oftenaround the country

we farmers, cotton farmers. they would come and harrison would give them a short speech, mostly attuned to their own interests but something that would resonate with people generally. he had his own stenographer taped down what he said. -- taped down what he said. they would give it to the associated press the next morning, it is in the newspapers all over the country. calhoun,: charles sunday night at 8:00 eastern. washington journal continues. host: we welcome stephen moore, with the heritage foundation, a former economic adviser to the president and with the new book, trumpenomics. i want to see the unemployment rate of january 2012 during the first term of barack obama and where it was july of this year

at 3.9%. my question is, is this the trump economy or the obama/trump economy? guest: that is good question. when i worked for then candidate the economyed strongly against hillary. the last year of obama's presidency, the economy grew at 1.5%, which is a low rate of economic growth. it was a recovery under obama. no question about it. got out of growth we it, it was the weakest since the great depression. when i was on the campaign trail, i used to got go with dod trump to states like ohio and pennsylvania, kentucky, wisconsin and michigan. , how is the voters obama recovery going for you?

americansblue-collar and they would say what recovery are you talking about? if you lived on wall street, or you lived in silicon valley or washington, d.c., the economy did phenomenally well. but there were areas of the country left behind. american people i can get the growth rate of from 1.5% to maybe 5%. no one believed him. larry summers and seemingly the entire economic faculty at harvard and yield, it is impossible to get a 3% growth. we did not get anywhere near there under obama. the latest numbers just came out this past week. growth, which4.5% is phenomenal. i think trump deserves a lot of credit. your friend, larry kudlow

we sat down with him and talked about trade, the deficit and the economy. [video clip] >> my view about the trump program, tax cuts, rollback. president trump has changed the game to restore economic growth. and prosperity. healthy economy. and wages. and get ordinary working folk back to work. give them opportunity. that is with the trade issue is about. -- that under the right policies, under economic incentives, we can go the american economy at least at a historic rate, which since world war ii, which more or less from 1950 to 2000, we grew.

i see no reason why we cannot replicate that with proper policies. both political parties, republican and democrat, have gone off course in the last 20 years. host: you worked with him on cnbc. it does come with tax cuts at a crisis. -- price. reaching $22t, trillion. guest: larry kudlow was the best man at my wedding. we are very good friends. we work together side-by-side during the campaign and devised the tax plan. i agree with every word larry just said. there is no law of nature this is the american economy cannot grow faster than 2%. and hillary obama clinton economists said. we believe if you are first obama policies, we would tell trump look at everything. can get growth. with theoing on now

economy, is we are firing on all sin -- cylinders. jobsve 6.5 million more today than people to fill them. i have been traveling this summer all over the country. everywhere from portland maine to portland oregon. everywhere with few exceptions. in the cities, cranes building new factories. apartment buildings. new warehouses. it is the biggest construction boom in the history of the united states going on right now. why is it happening? because of trump policies. you asked me about debt. went up when attila -- a lot. in the obama presidency, we doubled the debt. one thing we told donald trump is we're not going to get this debt under control if you do not get the economy moving.

if we continue to grow at 1.9% under obama, it does not matter if you take a chainsaw to the budget. you are not going to get the growth you need. one year after the tax cut is passed, we have more revenue this year than last year. even with the tax cut, we are getting more revenue in. believed the first step to getting our deficit down his grow economy and we are doing that. our guest is stephen moore from the heritage foundation, joe from new orleans. democrat line. caller: good morning. i believe the economy did not grow faster. under president obama. the business community deliberately did not hire, did not expand their businesses because they did not want president obama to get credit -- full credit for the growing

economy. if you look at one of the things we talk about in our book. look at what happened the day after the election. look at what happened at consumer confidence. it shot up. the good what happened to business confidence. amongwas a view businessmen and women that was like shaking up a champagne bottle and taking a cork off. there is not any one thing that trump has done that has revived our economy. it is the whole panoply of lower taxes, getting government off the back of business. hillary ran around the country, saying she was going to put, running out of business. trump that i would help rebuild the american coal industry. i think there has been a radical shift in the direction of the economy since november 2016. the american people understand this.

i was looking at polling i was t some polling the other day that under barack obama, throughout most of his eight years in office and is certainly true for the day before the election in november 2016, only three out of 10 americans, 30% rated the economy as good, the number today? seven out of 10. that is a dramatic turnaround for you o dramatic turnaround. motivations were sincere, but you do not to make the economy growth faster by raising taxes on businesses, and it had a negative effect on the economy. host: i want to ask you about trade because we expect to hear the foreign minister changing her plans, rushing to washington to meet with administration officials and the deadline self-imposed by the

president, 90 days and so he could get to congress before december 1. explain why that is important. guest: for my first meeting with donald trump which is now a little over two and a half years ago, i challenged him on trade. i am a free trade guy and i do not believe in tariffs. larry kudlow and i duked it out with him a little bit and donald trump is an engaging guy and he likes to listen to arguments. i look at the situation today with trade and you have got to hand it to trump, whatever he is doing, you starting to get deals that are in america's interest. what happened about a month ago with the eu where they agreed to reduce their tariffs, trump always said that when he was running for president and since he has been president, i just want a level playing field.

i want a fair deal for american workers, and he is getting them. we have a good deal with europe. mexico, i think it will promote trade on both sides which is a good thing, and as tight and the screws with canada does canada right now is the odd man out. i believe canada will make some concessions, we will get a deal done with canada, and then we focus all our attention on china. china is the big problem in the world economy. cheating,isbehaving, or stealing, and i always told let's get deals done with the other countries so we can focus on getting tough with china. host: last night, here is the president. [video clip] pres. trump: we made a great deal with mexico and canada did not want to do what we had done. after the deal was made with

mexico, canada came along and they are negotiating right now at the white house. it is going to happen, we will see what happens. if it does not happen, we will put tariffs on the cars coming in from canada and that will be even better. i think it is going to happen and we have really developed a very good relationship. we love canada, but they have to treat as fairly. they have not treated us fairly. right? i will give you an example with canada. dairy products, they put tariffs on our dairy products going into canada come almost 300%. we cannot have that. ] rowd booing so we will open it up or we will be frankly, maybe even better. either way, it is going to work beautifully. that, i promise. ift: can it work

hypothetically if it is just a u.s.-mexico deal or a u.s.-canada deal -- does it have to be the three countries? guest: i think canada is going to sign on. one of the things you have to understand about donald trump, he understands the art of the deal. he is a phenomenal negotiator. i watched and negotiate on the tax bill and getting a lot of what he wants. i think he is going to prevail with canada. canada cannot to be left out. canada the pens on being able to export to united states -- canada depends on being able to export to the united states. we do have leverage over the country's whether it is china, japan, korea, canada, mexico -- all of them have to have access to the american market and he is using that leverage to get them to open up their markets to our products and that is pro-american worker and that is

what putting america first is all about. host: patricia in iowa, independent line with stephen moore, with the heritage foundation. caller: good morning. first, would like to express my condolences to the mccain family. for mr. moore, i have a real axoblem with the t plans with the middle-class. 1% got 83, but i figured like 80% of that $1.5 ofllion -- that means 4/5 that money went to 3200 people to 316,800ent people.

if you can call that a tax break for the middle-class, i find th at astounding. that's what spurs the stock market and other things and to get that passed, they added glucose for corporations to get votes. -- they added loopholes for the corporations to get votes. they did not take any of the loopholes away for regular they made a tax cuts permanent for the 3200 and the other ones sense that. guest: i am phenomenally proud of the trump tax cut. i saw the president a couple of weeks ago and i do couple of minutes to talk to him and i said, this is working out better than we had thought.

the whole idea was to get the economy moving again, help american businesses. every american business competes on a global stage, we want to make american businesses as competitive as possible so they can create more jobs. that is one of the reason why we have 6.5 million more jobs than people to fill them. that helps the medical class. we want american businesses to succeed. this creates a tighter labor market which leads to higher wages. i was walking down the street and a hispanic woman saw me and grabbed me and she said, are you the one that i see talking about a trump tax-cut. and i said, i am. she said, i just want to shake your hand. i did not devote for donald trump and i just got a 50 number not vote for donald trump, i just got a $1500 tax cut.m the

the average worker in the united states with the median income gets about $2000 a year. nancy pelosi may think that to that $2000's crumbs, but we think that is real money. host: republican line. people i know a lot of who voted for trumpet that were democrats. you'd be as surprised at the number of my neighbors who said that because they were tired of the democratic party. out,estion, when people go these democrats, and say they are going to give three health care to everybody, nothing in life is free. toy should not be allowed tell people it is free because nothing is free. it is going to cost somebody something.

that is the way to buy votes. it is not free, it costs everybody something. i wonder how the republicans are going to tell people that it costs money. healths money for care, it is not free. i hear democrats say that, i get very upset. whatever taxes i pay, it is going to be ridiculous if they try to give health care to everybody for free. nothing is free. you can only cut a price so many ways. host: thank you. an a: i think mary gets economics. one of the things that milton freeman is famous for, issa say, say, is -- he used to thing as a no such

free lunch. bill press, he said we should have medicare for all and it is going to be free for everybody, and at least under obamacare, which i think is a big failure, where cost of health care went up for the average person -- at least if obama said that if you like your health care, you can keep it. that was the democratic line 10 years ago, if you like your health care plan, you get to keep it. but the health care for all of, the bernie sanders plan, i want to warn your viewers. 110 million americans lose our health plan under that. employer-based plan, heritage foundation has a plan, the vast majority of people like the health care plan they have -- you lose your plan. if everyone is stuck under a health-careunded

plan, you're not going to get the choices that you have now. that is one of the most dangerous ideas i have heard. 110 million americans lose their health plans under medicare for all. host: in indianapolis, democrats line. caller: health-care i've seenre not going mr. moor, you all over advocating for what i think is a failed economic seems likeuse it every time we try this starting with reagan in 1981, what has happened in the end, we end up with an economic disaster fee that the democrats have to come in and clean up. it seems like the policies work way more than economic policies. you and mr. kudlow have basically soldiers off to the your soul to the

devil for donald trump. guest: i was also privilege to work -- privileged to worker -- to work for ronald reagan. -- aember it's very very vividly. reagan came along with his policies of cutting taxes, reducing regulation and as reagan used to say, reaganomics is not the solution, government .s the problem i do not buy the argument that it did not work, it created an incredible recovery. reagan was slightly reelected with 49 states so the american people loved what reagan did for the american economy. lot of what donald trump has done is out of the pages of reagan's

policies. different than reaganomics. trump is more of a populist but they both wanted the american economy to expand and boy, has it. host: the president has been critical of the chair jerome powell because he says he doesn't like the interest rates. is that appropriate? guest: there is a big debate about that. the president has the right to speak out about said policy. the president is the ceo of our national economy and why shouldn't he be able to express an opinion? everyone has an opinion about what the fed should do. if you watch fox business news are you watch cnbc, that is all they talk about. i think the president should weigh in. i happen to think the fed does

not need to be raising interest rates now. we have 4.5% to growth and low inflation. that is perfect, that is what you want. ingorry that the fed is tak the punch bowl away from the party just on the party is getting going. goingis concerned that is to reduce wages and that is not what he wants. donald trump is a pro blue-collar working class american worker president. thosees a lot about people in michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, the people who did not feel a recovery so that is why he has been protesting. host: we so what happened in 1989 when the stock market plummeted. we saw what happened in 2008. guest: the famous crash of the market in 1987. host: how does this market feel

to you? guest: i am bullish. american companies are so well run today. i amf the reasons optimistic about the future, i went around the country seeing building everywhere. american company's are expanding and efficient. could go on to the next three or four or five years. think this is a healthy economic climate and there is no reason stocks cannot continue to climb. about threeis point weeks ago, he said that we are the envy of the world economically, and today, we really are. our economy is growing at eight -- at a 4. even china is slowing down. china has been hurt by these tariffs that trump is putting on them. china needs to be able to trade

with the united states, so i'm going to say that we have got a couple, two or three more years mobile market expansion. the: stephen moore with heritage foundation, former economic adviser to president trump he is the author of an upcoming book out next month. we will have you back when that book comes out in october. guest: thank you. host: john in stuart, florida, republican line. agger.: i am a teab i do not have a lot of education, but i have good common sense. you do not give a tax break when you have a deficit of $20 trillion. now one of the many promises in eight years, there is not going to be anymore deficit. isn't the deficit going up with the tax break? guest: great question. tax revenues are

higher this year than they are last year. we passed a big, big tax cut. the reason revenues are up is because the economy is doing well. businesses are doing well. we have a record number of americans working. i've always believed the most important thing is to get the economy going, get people in jobs that some people are working, they pay taxes. when people are on welfare, they do not they taxes, they collect government benefits. keeping americans in their jobs, giving them pay raises, income goes up, they pay more taxes -- i think we are going to see declining deficits. i do not want to's trillion dollar deficits that we had under obama which were dreadful. we had eight years, we increased the national debt by $10 trillion under obama. we need to get growth up and revenues up and then we have to cut government spending.

i have been kabul mentor he did during this interview but i will say this -- i've been kabul ary tompliment trump during this interview, but i will say this, we have got to get control of our expenditures. it is not a revenue problem. revenue, what we do not have any spending control. shame on both parties. president pointing to the debt 20 said i'm not going to get federal workers a pay raise. how much -- pointing to the debt saying i am not going to give federal workers a pay raise. how much is that going to affect? guest: i think good federal workers who are doing a good job, they deserve a pay raise. there are a lot of workers who just punch the time clock in working for government and we

have got to have a way where we can reward the good workers and get rid of the bad workers. i feel the same way about teachers. there is a big movement to pay teachers more. my attitude is, yes. great teachers deserve a great paycheck but we also have to get rid of bad teachers. which get rid of the teacher tenure system and we should get rid of teachers that do not belong in front of the classroom. host: sam in california, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. any not profess to have knowledge of macroeconomics or financial trade nor am i interested in politics, but i am interested in policy, specifically how it affects me. it is a selfish are you, but it helps clarify how policies are impacting individuals rather than macro number -- than macro.

the one policy that president trump enacted over the past year and a half, the tax changes, my taxes are increasing because of that. , so in a high tax state limiting state and local taxes to $10,000, in my taxes increase. lot.rst -- it hurts me a the second thing around trade, i ay socks, so i do not make socks, but i do buy socks and socks, and if the price goes up, that hurts me. tariffs hurt me. if i look at everything else, it does not impact me and i do not care. but these two do. guest: the gentleman is exactly right. tariff is a-

tax. if we put a tax of a tariff on socks, let's say we put 10% tariff on that. that means it is going to cost american consumers 10% more. this gentleman is right. it is a tax on consuming but the goal is to get these other countries to lower their tariffs on us. united states has the lowest tariffs of any of the other countries that we are trading quite. we are supposed to have trade deals with these countries but they are cheating. united states has the lowest -- average are 3%, 4%, 5% the other countries are imposing tariffs on us that are three times higher than that and trump is saying that is not fair. i agree. and the state and local tax exemption, i was one of the people that really insisted we get rid of the state and local tax reduction.

this gentleman, i think he said he lives in california? california has the highest taxes . why should somebody who lives in new hampshire, why should the muddy who lives in texas have to pay higher federal taxes to subsidize the public services in california? it is not fair to the people who live in low tax states to pay more federal taxes to pay for services in california. if tell her you want liberal policies and you want to free health care and all these other once to- if california have liberal policies, i believe in federalism, but do not ask people in other states to pay for your local services. liberals are very hypocritical and say, this is so unfair. 70% of the benefits from the state and local tax reduction went to the people in the top 2% of income. arepeople who benefit

millionaires and billionaires and we just raised their taxes and liberals are complaining. utah,we go to sandra in republican. caller: good morning. guest: hi. caller: i want to clarify something. you create more revenue by creating more taxpayers. more people going to work brings in more revenue. created,s getting started gives more money to the taxes and that is awesome. i love the tax-cuts. also come i want to clarify that when they say the government is giving people money, no. you are taking glass of my money ney and i amof my mo thankful for that. full speed ahead with the situationthe tariffs and worse comes to worse, let's do a gun -- a gofundme

for the wall and it would be paid for. host: thank you. guest: i agree. she said it more eloquently than i did which is more people working, people earning more money, american businesses doing better, factories coming back to the united dates which is now happening, that leads to more revenues. if a is an old saying, factory moves out of the united states -- because here is the situation. before the tax cuts, we had a 40% tax on our businesses and most of the rest of the world was a 20%. we run at a 20% this advantage. -- 20%dstart headstart program, why would we do that? wanting the jobs here in the united states. i showed trump the chart, he -- one should bring more

of my favorite stories. a car manufacturing plant is moving from mexico to michigan. plant years, we had our moving and now they are coming back. host: the headline from your book coming out in october is what? is american renaissance that could go on for five or six years. host: stephen moore of the heritage foundation. thank you for stopping by. guest: thank you. host: want to remind our audience that the house is coming in for a very brief pro session at 9:30 eastern time. get your reaction to this, if you are a federal (202)ee, the number is 748-8000 and for all others, (202) 748-8001. president trump is saying

thursday that he would invoke his emergency authority to freeze pay for more than 2 million civilian federal workers next year. saying the need to restrain the growth of federal spending, we put ourntain efforts to fiscally a healthy course. a reminder, our cities tour continues end this weekend, we are in flagstaff, arizona to look at the fiscally healthy course. city's history and literary life. flagstaff mayor talks about tourism and economic impact it has on the city. [video clip] pres. trump: flagstaff is located approximately two hours of phoenix -- north of phoenix. we are at the market of dreams, it is a mike rogers and newer ship center. here, artisans, crafters here to start their own business. we had different industries in flagstaff.

astronomy is a huge industry. we are the first international dark sky city. have our observatories here. we also have the anderson-mesa telescopes of the is a big industry. where we aref located in how beautiful our city is, flagstaff is at the base of the mountain landscape. we live in the heart of the farm forest insa the world. flagstaff is located in the middle. we are approximately 78, 80 miles away from the grand canyon. arizona, it is known as the grand canyon state. it really is a beautiful place to be. not only a beautiful environment, but we have people people. when you have a pupil environment and the beautiful

people, that is one heck of a city. host: you can travel on c-span2's booktv and c-span3's american history tv. all are cities tour is available on c-span.org/citiestour. a weekend where senator john mccain will be laid to rest in washington dc. that is getting underway at 11:00 eastern time at the capitol rotunda. and 1:00 for those of you want to come to capitol to pay tribute to john mccain. tomorrow morning, the fairmont will take place at the national cathedral and he will depart the at 8:30 in the morning to, passed by the vietnam and it willorial, include eulogies by george w. bush and barack obama.

our live coverage today and tomorrow to tributes to john the area will be sunday at a private ceremony in annapolis, maryland. coming up in a moment, live coverage of the pro forma session and then we will come back with your calls and comments on the pay freeze for federal workers and the president saying, as noted in my budget for fiscal year 2019, the cost of the federal workforce is significant. federal employees must be performance base and aligned to strategically toward recruiting, retaining, and rewarding high-performing employees and those with critical skill sets. across-the-board pay increases and locality pay increases have long-term fixed costs yet failed address existing pay disparities are targets mission-critical recruitment and retention goals.