renewable energy at the hawaii clean energy initiative. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter as well. " is next.n journal 50this vote, the ayes are the nays are 48. this nomination for brett kavanaugh is confirmed. the moment became official on the senate floor late yesterday afternoon. 7, andunday, october welcome to c-span's "washington journal." intt kavanaugh was sworn last night at the supreme court by the chief justice of the united states, john roberts. it comes one month before the midterm elections where the balance of the house and senate are -- is on the ballot.

what is next and how does the nation proceed after weeks of often are commodious and bitter feelings and an emotional debate. point this starting morning. our phone lines are open. you can also join us on twitter and facebook. we will read your comments. a lot to talk about after a busy weekend and the president last night in topeka, kansas basking in the victory of his second appointment to the supreme court. this is the headline this morning -- lamenting conservative control. cavanaugh's conch -- confirmation was not just an opportunity for republicans to shift the course to the right for decades, it was also a test

of how officials responded. it was a raw emotional release of the me too movement. he said the incident never happened. the controversy will likely be scrutinized further with the midterm elections one month away giving democrats a chance to take over one or more chambers of congress. following the victory for republicans, mitch mcconnell had this to say -- >> it certainly had a good impact for as. our base is fired up. we finally discovered the one thing that would fire up the republican base. the tactics would have been employed by the judiciary committee democratic senators and the virtual mob that a salted us in the course of this process. that has turned our base on

fire. i spoke to my political advisers about it yesterday about the advantage that these guys through these tactics have given to us. and we are pretty excited. they have managed to deliver the only thing we had not figured out how to do which was to get our folks fired up. the other side is fired up, they have been all year. >> the faces of the hearing including dr. christine blasey ford, brett kavanaugh, mitch mcconnell, and what of the demonstrations? you, dr. ford, signed fellow survivors. what is next? ted joins us on the democrat line from beckley, west virginia. onlysenator was the democrat to support this nomination. caller: i believe we have a serious problem going on.

investigation, they say they moved the goalposts about the investigation but they tried to make it as small an investigation as possible. they could have done so much more to find out exactly what happened. and they would have found that out. but there has been a start from the beginning where the republicans acted in a notsonous matter -- manner to allow obama's choice to be selected and then after that, oh, just kept on saying, this person does not need any investigation into some various -- into some very serious charges. lothe next year or two, a more information will come out about just how bad the situation was. i have been in college and i have been right next to

fraternity row. to think how many of those sorority sisters have been raped by monsters like kavanaugh is very terrible and i would like to say that it will come out. host: this is a tweet from jim -- to see republicans united to confirm justice cavanaugh was an amazing thing to watch. and the headline of the washington post -- the argument over the swing seat continuous. steve, myllo, favorite c-span guy. i am an independent but i would not vote for a democrat if you paid me. -- howcus they put on can they think they will win in november when every one of their policies are anti-american and going against the grain on everything in the country?

please paid protesters are like terrorists. these page -- protesters are like terrorists. we do not live by mob rule here in america. i would not vote for a democrat ever in my life again and i am not a republican. i have never been registered as either democrat or republican. brain --e with half a like your first caller, the think his oxygen has been cut off to his brain so he cannot think for himself. you are talking about something that happened at a college party 38 years ago and they are calling him a rapist. give me a freaking break. go red sox. and good gameu last night. good morning victor from

silver spring, maryland. your take on what we have seen in the last 20 days. caller: as a man, i cannot even be with the democrat party. men just do not have a chance anymore. you are accused. you are found guilty before you can prove yourself innocent. , she was always screaming and yelling about how terrible men are and then she finally left me because i would not stop listening to rush limbaugh. republican,o vote it probably won't do me any good in this state of maryland or the blue montgomery county or baltimore. very fired up. i am very angry with the democrats. , i if they ever take over

don't know what will happen to me as an elderly man. and i am so glad that people like rush limbaugh, mark live in, sean hannity, and michael savage are on the air to fight back against the absolute insanity of the left. they are really mentally disturbed. thank you. , again from silver spring, maryland. send us a tweet. this photo was sent in. you can join us on twitter at c-span w sj. the senate gop majority has been violence to the reputation of the senate judiciary committee and the supreme court. i will file a foia request so that public can see the underlying documents.

and senator chuck grassley -- it is now justice cavanaugh. he served as the chair on the senate judiciary committee. before the final vote on the floor, chuck schumer on what the public will do if they were upset on the senate floor yesterday. >> my colleagues, i fellow americans, what is our appropriate response? there is only one remedy. change must come from where in america always comes, the ballot box. theso, two americans, and many millions that are outraged about what happened here, there is one answer -- vote if you believe dr. ford and other brave women that came forward and you want to vindicate their sacrifice. vote. if you believe the supreme court

should uphold women's rights, though. if you believe the supreme court must protect health care and our pre-existing conditions that are protected now, vote. if you believe the supreme court should defend workers, consumers , the environment, civil rights, native population, vote. if you believe the supreme court should be a check on an overreaching president, vote. if you believe the process here in the senate was a sham and you believe americans deserve better, vote. if you believe that supreme tort justices should conform the highest standards of character, impartiality, temperament, and above all honesty and credibility, vote.

senate democratic leader on the floor. justicesme court nominated by two presidents that lost the popular vote, american democracy is in shambles. and another tweet from mary -- a sad day for our country and for women but this is what happens when we allow old men make choices for our future. ed is joining us from houston on the democrat line. good sunday morning. am a judge in houston and we expect a mob at the polls on november 6. texasct the first day in to see all a lot of voters out -- i come a mob actually expect the first day in texas to see a lot of voters out there, a

.ob actually, the president and mcconnell and the other republicans should be afraid of a mob at polls because that is what is going to end their rule. host: thank you for the call. there are two more debates scheduled. we will be covering all three of the debates and the president will be in texas later this month. we will have live coverage of that rally as well. the president will travel to pennsylvania and kentucky. we will have live coverage of all of those. senatorht, we covered cory booker who was in iowa last night. with his eye on 2020. this is from john, fox news --

the headline: cavanaugh on the supreme court is a win for america. theyrats threw everything could at brett kavanaugh to keep him off the supreme court. this is a major big three for president trump and conservatives who believe the supreme court should faithfully translate the constitution. more poorly, it is a victory for the american people. superblyanaugh is qualified to sit on the highest court in the law. all americans should welcome a justice. from foxrom john yu news. and our friend bill keane with this tweet -- he says: president trump and mitch mcconnell are gloating now. on november 6 that will all change in the gop will finally

under the butts of liberals. the president was in topeka, kansas last night and this is part of what he had to say. >> you allowed the wrong people -- if you are allowed to run people to get into office, things could change and they could happen fast. we cannot let that happen. it can change very fast. we cannot let that happen. you do not hand matches to an arsonist and you do not give power to an angry left-wing mob and that is what they have become. host: that was from the president last night in to beget, kansas. and in a tweet -- thank you this nasty business is over. politics at its worst. onlypears that dr. ford wanted to destroy a man

as it stands now, it appears she wanted to destroy a man without real justice. caller: good morning. it is perfect that someone just talked about the mob. that is why i am calling. i don't think women are the mob. havero-lifers who intimidated, stood outside of abortion clinics, intimidated women, killed doctors -- they are the mob. they are the ones that have created some of the problems -- these problems. problemave tha with the pro-lifers if they are going to support the children they are going to force the women to bear. what charities do you support

for these women and children that it is no fault of theirs to be protected, fed, clothed so that they are not in poverty? my sister, when we were watching the kavanaugh hearings, i said to her, does this bother you? she was raped at one point. she said, no, it did not bother her. i said, what was that guys name? she could not remember his name. i could remember his name. i think people that are wake up and figure out that this is a crazy situation that we are in now, and hopefully the women will come out and vote. host: thank you for the call. this was the scene yesterday on the steps of u.s. capitol as vice president mike pence was departing the capital after serving in his capacity as president of the u.s. senate. senator steve daines was in

montana, his daughter married yesterday. lisa murkowski who voted no on the cloture vote voted present so that he could stay home for the family wedding. this tweak, the left had hoped their last-minute ambush would force cap not withdraw. when that did not happen, it was pile on time with abaadi. -- mainstream -- evan addy avenatti. the mainstream media not even doing basic journalism. caller: thank you for taking my call. a lot of calls all around what i want to talk. with what ishappy going on in that building behind him, go to the polls. if you want to change it, change it. don't cry about it. i am 68. i have three granddaughters from

two months to four and a half years. i am not comfortable with men like chuck grassley, women like debbie feinstein, and i am 68. we need to change the makeup of that building. we don't want people making decisions. i don't want him making decisions for my two month old granddaughter that is going to last her the rest of her life. we need to change the makeup. we need to vote. we need to vote against every incumbent this november. change the makeup of that building. host: thank you for the call. robert has this tweet, trump is on a roll, when his justice ginsburg retiring? she is 85 years old. christine blasey ford the cover story of time magazine. it is the words that she used in her testimony that make up this

cover. joel is joining us from virginia, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have two points. one point is i think it is time in this country that we have at least looked at this particular topic with assault victims and iatnot because growing up have seen and heard things all along that have been pushed aside. everybody needs to speak up and put a stop to these sort of behaviors. happenedther or not it with kavanaugh, i don't know. i don't you all the negativity that is going on in the country with the extremism of the politics, i think it is actually a good thing. you only get positive change through discomfort. we are going to get through all

of this. i think it proves democracy works. we are going to be just fine. although i disagree with the young folks on the democratic side, the crazies as they are called, i think they will be tempered. they will contribute. they will evolve into great leaders, and i think we will actually push this forward even though i disagree. i think democracy is just fine. we going to be ok through all of this. host: thank you. this tweet saying, now that the kavanaugh fiasco is concluded, time for healing. it down.s need to tone saying how christine blasey ford's testimony moved america. dianne feinstein running for reelection, confirmation of brett kavanaugh shifts the court far to the right, putting reproductive rights, environmental protection, workers rights, the ability to

implement gun safety rules, and the ability to hold presidents accountable at risk for a generation. credibleon to say that allegations of sexual assault were not thoroughly investigated and his belligerent partisan performance undermines the legitimacy of the supreme court. lindsey, senator from south carolina, brett kavanaugh is the right person at the right time to serve on the supreme court, conservative jurist and a good man with the background and experience worthy of this high honor. confirmed,to write, i am not tired of winning. on the democrats line, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i hope you give me enough time. two months.alled in even if we don't believe dr. ford, why would she put her family under threat?

her life is under threat. she had to move. it doesn't make sense. kavanaugh, if he really didn't do it, why wouldn't he asked for a full fbi investigation? i worked for the government for a while. anybody, for a small position, if you need clearance, if you were accused of drinking or omitted, they would not hire you. kushner and this trump administration are putting people in that have clouds all over them. they put them in. then they are republican. the nuclear option with the district court judges. they did not allow obama to a point anything. he was forced to take the nuclear option with the district court judges. .e should have gone all the way

they did not even meet with merrick garland. the system has to change completely. running for office should release his taxes, divest from his businesses, and go through a background investigation. the electoral college is obsolete. yearsk senators just two terms. that is all i have to say. host: thank you. we are glad to hear from you. you mentioned the presidents taxes. we want to mention the in-depth story published this week inside the new york times, trump engaged in suspect tax schemes as he reaped riches from his father. rather than the $1 million he said he received his dad, he received upwards of $400 million

from the 1980's through 2003. back to your calls on the confirmation of judge brett kavanaugh. 50-48.ay, the vote says cavanaugh was picked because his views match the gop's. 2020 campaigne will be messy. this analysis on what it all means for 2020 available on washington post. the kavanaugh battle only magnified divisions and may leave lasting scars. "politically divisive events have been commonplace these days. impact of theiate kavanaugh nomination will be seen in the midterm election. the basis of both parties are

now more energized than they were. democrats could benefit in the contest for control of the house. republicans could benefit in the senate elections. thanks to the geographic realities of the most contested races. the kavanaugh nomination played out at a time of the growing awareness of the harm done to women over years and years. it produced almost irreconcilable differences between partisans on the two sides. even in an era of short attention spans, the kavanaugh confirmation fight could be far more than a moment in time." back to your phone calls. mike is joining us, wisconsin. good morning. caller: good morning. great program. listened to all the views that were pointed out, which just clarifies the debate. i was captivated this week watching c-span.

was right on ford the money. i just was shocked to hear heard testimony. -- her testimony. i thought there was no way he was going to get confirmed. as i watched the rest of the way, i don't think that anymore. gete was no -- she did not angry at all that someone leaked her information. the timing of the release of information, and she was so scared to come forward with her views and to stay anonymous, why didn't she get mad at the people that leaked it? the democratic operatives. was was clear that she when she was making statements on identification and one other time, i cannot remember exactly what. she looked right in america, had no nervousness -- mirror, had no

nervousness about her. thinking she was well coached. the democrats could have taken this information, instead of leaking it, and could have had judge kavanaugh investigated with plenty of time. it just wasn't done up front. they could have had it investigated. they did not do it. they try to destroy it with timing. it is just despicable. i did not think that earlier when i first heard her testimony. just a great program. host: let me ask you this. we have been hearing this back and forth. do you think that for many democrats this is payback for garica? --merrick

rland? caller: they are mad over not a below that is the belt moved by the republicans. we have had times in our history when we have only had five justices. it is not like important decisions are not going to be made. they did it for political reasons. there has not been anybody the last 10 months before election. it is not outrageous they did not let garland get in there. you can just look at the last 20 years history versus the whole history of the supreme court, you would have a different view. which i couldl, not stand a few years ago, which because heespect him is just a smart guy. i could not stand to listen to him a few years ago because he did not have sincere things for

his job when he went to work. all he wanted to do was destroy barack obama. know, it is division on both sides. this latest move, i firmly believe dr. ford was staged. how can her best friend not know anything traumatic happened? how can nobody confirm that she was at that party? at the same time, the democrats knew they had the letter for four months. it?didn't they investigate it just lacks sincerity. it does not pass the smell test. that trump won was because hillary clinton destroyed evidence. host: i am going to stop you there. we are going to move on.

thank you for the call. the nomination process was disgusting, sans democrats did not want the truth. they used dr. ford. they lied about his record. they made a mockery of the whole thing. cover story of the washington post, will the democrats wake up before 2020? that is available at the washington post. orge, now the virus of trumpism is about to spread itself to the supreme court itself. fromta is joining us next new york. good morning. caller: yes, i would just like to say that i am an american citizen, and i am disgusted with both parties. democrat,ays voted and i will probably always vote everybodybut i think needs to go out and vote this time and get rid of all of our

elected leaders because they are more concerned with their paychecks. they are not for the people. they are not doing anything to help us. they are more concerned about being reelected and getting their point of view, which is both parties. host: thank you for the call. is beingt, freedom trampled on by people thinking they can do anything to voice their opinions. people may be communist. confirming-48 kavanaugh. the scene outside the supreme court. there is the u.s. capitol in the foreground. this is america is the sign that is in the center. the demonstrations that took place. this is what it looked like. we covered much of it during the floor debate yesterday as marchers began to line up and

stayed during much of the morning and afternoon and into the early evening. there were well over 100 arrests between the u.s. capitol and u.s. supreme court. as we watch that, we will go to indiana.ining us from welcome to the program. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been watching all kinds of demonstrations as ever else has, by the democratic children. there is just too much of that. it is like the democratic base is falling apart at the seams, and they are doing nothing to really cement their forward movement. opinion,y this, in my they, the democrats, have become more like lawbreakers instead of lawmakers. it is looking -- this is just totally inappropriate. all the waywaters

down to the protests going on. this is ridiculous. say.is all i wanted to i appreciate you taking my call. host: thank you for the call. from inside the washington post, murkowski bucking her party. see 2022 from can my house. a reference to her remarks as a presidential nominee. tweet, brett kavanaugh is clearly not suitable for the supreme court. the gop ignored his lies and the behavior he lied about. the nomination process is now illegitimate. this tweet, victory for the rule of. from some of the democratic -- of law. from some of the democratic leaders, as feminist voters in the we refuse to forget this moment of raging disappointment in our senate. tomay have lost the battle

vote no on kavanaugh, but this fight is far from over. watch out for women this november. chair of the republican national committee, donald trump kept his promise by choosing an extremely qualified defender of the constitution. justice kavanaugh will make an excellent addition to the u.s. supreme court. tom perez is the chair of the democratic national committee. people are raising their voices to a deafening roar today. we will not stop fighting. we will vote on election day for leaders who share our values." good morning, david. new jersey. caller: good morning. host: good morning, david. how are you? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: how are you today? host: i have to ask you a question before you talk about

judge kavanaugh. who is going to win the senate race? beler: i know it is good to a very tough election. i don't know who is going to win. as far as what is happening in our great country, i am very disturbed, steve. you know, my generation, the , three wordsration described my generation. we the people. unfortunately, today that does not hold true. wear a patch on the right sleeve of their uniforms.

it does not show republican. it does not say democrat. it does not say conservative. it does not say liberal. the american flag. they are fighting as americans. our great country is very polarized right now. we are not the united states of america. we are the divided states of america. it is time we all came together not asicans, conservatives, liberals, democrats, republicans. nation,ether as one under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. host: thank you. fromways enjoy hearing you. i know we always ask about your age. i won't do that this time. stay healthy and stay strong. caller: thank you very much. have a wonderful day. host: david, one of our regular

viewers from new jersey. others.th joe and many regulare of our tweeters, definitely need younger, stronger dems. make kamala harris leader of the senate dems. in des moines, iowa, testing the waters with you can watch is speech tonight as part of c-span's road to the white house coverage. joining us from indiana on the democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. i think people are forgetting looking back at a century of one-party rule and if that party is a minority, i think you lose the aspect that our democracy will be gone. that is what is happening now.

i can refer back to adolf hitler and the not to party -- nazi party. it became a movement that became very deadly to a lot of people. we have to watch that we don't lose our democracy with minority rule. our democracy is in real danger right now because of the minority party controls every branch of the government. man on the court, the highest court in the land, and that man says that our president, which is becoming a power, wehas absolute are giving away our democracy. god.d not elect him to be host: thank you for the call. from the weekly standard, whatever happened to charm?

edward stevens, the three women that accused him. their cases should be heard. fastbi had a lightning investigation of the first one. the judicial board should have access to the fbi file. from the new york times, longtime reporter for the times has this, confirming cap not, triumph for conservatives but a blow to the court's image. here is part of what he had to president trump and conservatives, this was a hard one political victory. for the conservative legal movement, it was a single triumph, the culmination of a decades long project that began in the reagan era with the goal of capturing a conservative majority on the nation's highest court. that goal has been accomplished. the supreme court will be more

conservative than any other time in modern history. we may be heading to the most conservative era since 1937. confirminge, kavanaugh. we'll have more from that piece in just a moment. ecca joining us on the republican line from massachusetts. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling for a couple of reasons. the first is i am so tired of hearing about judge garland not for -- that he was nominated and not allowed through the process. republicans, that this was a plan so that trump could get in. nobody thought president trump was going to win. it would have been up to

hillary, basically, to have made that decision. i am tired of hearing that. also, i want to state that there are so many hypocrites. let's put it out there. these people that say every woman should be believed if she comes forward with a story of abuse, how about keith ellison and whether karen moynahan is going to be believed? these people that are out marching, they should be marching against a democrat, keith ellison, who has been accused of abuse. that is my comment. host: thank you. if you watched our coverage yesterday, there was a moment, this tweet, i watched the protesters. a man with a long gray beard spoke, talking about a story done by inside edition claiming that they possibly found in the

house that ford was allegedly a senator but then took the floor. i'd like to hear more. melania trump is back from her african to her, including -- tour, including a final stop in egypt. she was asked about brett kavanaugh. [video clip] >> i think he is highly qualified for the supreme court. i am glad that dr. ford was heard. i am glad that judge kavanaugh was heard. fbi investigation was done. it is completed. the senate voted. >> did you believe christine ford? >> i will move on that. i think all the victims, we need to have all the victims, no matter what kind of abuse they had. of abusenst any kind or violence. host: that is from melania

trump. she arrived about 2:00 this morning after her weeklong trip, her first solo trip as first lady through africa, including a stop in ghana. she stopped at the port where slaves departed africa for the u.s. tweet, this democrats have to face it, hillary lost, trump one. not tired of living. p won.ered -- trum not tired of winning. there is a swearing-in ceremony tomorrow evening. supreme court justice judge kavanaugh was sworn in last night by the chief justice of the supreme court and anthony kennedy. another ceremony taking place tomorrow evening. we'll have live coverage and then will open our phone lines

to get your reaction. john, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to use one word, shame. i wanted to agree with the previous callers talking about patriots are not republicans or democrats. they are americans. kavanaugh, inge terms of his performance, his appearance on fox, his performance in front of the judiciary committee, and the subsequent wall street journal, he has applied for the highest legal position in the land. why is he bringing political tools into the nomination process? host: thank you. from the sunday review, year of reckoning. more on the me too movement. wena has this tweet, can

stop with the regurgitation of a we heard the night before on hate radio or fox news. maybe an idea or opinion of their own? more from adam liptak in the new york times. the headline, confirming kavanaugh, triumph for conservatives but a blow to the court's image. the new majority is sure to move the court to the right on countless issues. the victory will likely be a lasting one. judge kavanaugh, 53, could serve for decades. the other conservative justices are young by supreme court standards. the liberal justices are not. there will be no swing justice in the mold of anthony kennedy, sandra day o'connor, who forged alliances with liberals and conservatives.

the court will consist of two distinct blocks, five conservatives, and for liberals. the court will perfectly reflect the deep polarization of the american public and political system. john from mississippi. you are next. good morning. caller: yes, hello. -- i wantedd several times -- i wanted to know what a credible accusation is. i would also like to know what a victim is and an accuser. if those terms were used people's, i think the response would be quite different. host: thank you. dawn is next from new jersey. good morning.

caller: thank you for taking my call. i have two comments. the last time i voted was for perot. i seen that i got involved in it, and i seen that the democrats -- i am from queens originally. democrats take over the moment from the inside. -- movement from the inside. the republicans took over from long island and subverted it. we started the citizens action committee for change. we had 40 people showing up to their speeches. they tried to subvert us and try to take us down from inside. politics is pretty dirty. the me too movement, i was divorced. i don't cheat on women. i don't rape women or anything like that. when i went into family court, it was funny how they were

calling my wife by her first name in me by my last name. there is a lot of anti-male stuff in this country. , like my overseas family is from croatia, and i went over there, and women cannot get away with what they get away with here. the guys cheat on them and treat them like rap. that is -- crack. -- crap. host: thank you. from the washington post, the center position may be done. -- sad takeway is that the accused must take on the burden of proving his innocence. on the democrats line, jane, good morning. caller: good morning.

i want to say i was disappointed in the appointment of judge viewsugh, more for his prior to this accusation. i also feel the fbi was not allowed to do a thorough investigation because so many havee from his class days verified that he did drink a lot. they were only allowed by president trump to interview a selected few people. i want to say, watching politics, i became involved during the kennedy and johnson debate when they were trying to become candidates. i have noticed that the republicans have always been the party for business. party forats more the the workers. legacy of the

republicans being antiunion. it's the unions that built the middle-class. it is the unions that work for fair wages and good working conditions, good retirement. that moved over to workers that were not covered by a union. i get the benefits of things they fought for. host: thank you for the call. includingf justices, alito and ginsburg on hand for last night's swearing-in ceremony. al is joining us from ohio. good morning. caller: thank you. i just hope a lot of parents, women and men will figure out what they are doing in the future, make sure you instruct your children or brothers and is sexuallyanybody

assaulted, come forward there, don't hesitate. that was probably the prime factor. get the evidence out. you have to have this taken care of right away. she waited way too long. the democrats should be embarrassed of themselves the way they reacted during this process. names, thatalling is not going to work. thank god for hillary not being elected. thank you. host: thank you. from political magazine, is brett kavanaugh damaged goods, he will take to the bench after a brutal confirmation battle. can he overcome it? michael from new york. good morning. caller: good morning. you're show does a great job. i love watching c-span. host: we love our viewers.

thank you. caller: you are fair and balanced. thank you. on to the kavanaugh supreme court judge. this goes on forever. this guy is appointed to bench for life, correct? host: correct. caller: that being said, you look at the decisions he has made in the past on women's rights and things along those lines, all you have to do is a little research. don't become apathetic and not know what you're talking about the nouveau. i think voting is a very important process that we should really be looking at the candidate. kavanaugh wife, i could see on her face that when he was there this mean the, and he was going out his discontent with what was going on, there were problems there. i just think she knows more than a lot of women do. women need to step up and go. that is all i'm going to say.

this is not a good situation we are in. apathy one today. -- won today. host: thank you. we have a few more minutes with your phone calls and your tweets. this is from jaclyn smith. she writes, trump was accused 19 times of sexual misconduct. while you hear from republicans is what about keith ellison? the picture that was taken last night from the chamber, and another ceremony will take place tomorrow evening. we'll have that live on c-span. greg texas, good morning. caller: good morning. i am glad to have c-span. i was so depressed and upset watching this on the news with fox news, rush limbaugh, all of this. all the politics going on in this world, our country is divided by these conservative

so-called american, so-called white people out here trying to divide people. all they talk about on fox news is something bad about the country. they don't have nothing to say about what is going on in this country great black people, stop falling behind the democratic party. you haven't gained anything from the democratic party or the republican party. you have to come to america and altogether build your own community. stop worrying about someone else, voting somebody that is not going to do anything for you. they are selling paraphernalia and all this stuff. they try to complain about that man selling drug paraphernalia out of their stores, and then they go to our preachers and shut down the store. they protest the store and shut them down. these people break every law and every rule in america, but when

we try to do the right thing in america, they beat us down. black people, stop depending on the democratic ready because you see what is going on. white people, you need to take your country back from these raising white people out here. we are tired of being taken advantage of. black people, you need to stop worrying about what somebody else is going to do for you all in this country. these nasty girls out of the street, and then they get ready for real in this country. it is about money. these what women want power. i work for plenty of white women that make more money than the average man or average woman in this world. host: thank you for the call. brett kavanaugh was right about one thing, what comes around goes around. when the table turns, i don't want to hear any whining from them. the boston globe has this headline, the conservative dream of control becomes a reality.

senator mike lee, republican of utah, judge kavanaugh is a good man. serve onlified to some the supreme court of the united states. i was honored to vote for his confirmation. joining us from utah, democratic line, good morning. caller: you talk about mike lee. i asked him, when they go to law school, they teach temperament of the judges. attorneys and da's. that is basic. challenge the supreme , i don't care. does he have the temperament to sit on the bench and judge and role fairly? he doesn't. that is it.

party,ng the republican all day today, i heard from their campaign that the democrats are mob. themrump, mob is telling beat him up, i will pay for the lawyer. beat him up. accusing. we talk about the law and fairness. you call us mob. mr. trump, show your tax returns. host: thank you for the call. another tweet from mazie hirono. i am left with anger and determination, and just like millions of people across the country, i will take the advice to women of america and the men who understand our stories, i will stay matt and let that anger propel us to change. trump onlyeagle, allowed the fbi to interview

people who had already made statements supportive of kavanaugh. you are not going to find corroboration that way. crystal, good morning. caller: good morning. two things, with dr. ford, i think the democrats keep saying they're are fighting for women's rights. with dr. ford, it was her story to share. somebody leaked it. she has been victimized all over again. they took away her rights as a person. i'm not ok with that. the second thing i have an issue with. i believe something happened to her. i don't believe there is no evidence to say kavanaugh was the one that did it. everyone keeps saying what about our daughters, but i have two boys. what about our sons? themmeone falsely accuses of something, i don't think there is enough evidence to say he definitely did this. that makes me concerned for the

young boys of america. host: thank you for the call. be careful what you wish for, you may get it. you can send us your tweets. from national review, brett kavanaugh confirmed to the supreme court. darrell from idaho, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. you know it is really interesting, we have got a thing called the statute of limitations. you have got something where if dr. ford and brett kavanaugh would have had their problem back in the day when they were in high school, the whole thing would have been in juvenile court. we have this situation today where you have this guy being investigated to know and. -- no end. you have three women on the supreme court, and not a single one of them believes marriage is between a man and woman. why are we divided? at least we are not talking

about the russians. jerry springer has more competition than he has ever had. i noticed john oliver always has you on his program. host: he loves c-span. he uses us a lot. coming up in just a moment, our sunday roundtable. eleanor clift with the daily beast will be joining us. siraj hashmi will be joining us from washington examiner. his maker is coming -- newsmakers is coming up after washington journal. america first, the kavanaugh nomination among the topics of conversation. [video clip] >> this has been a tough two weeks for the whole country. it has been a very emotional time. reflection ofe a a political observation of how it is having an effect on the electorate and what we think will happen in the midterms. there is no doubt that one of

the concerns republicans have had nationwide was this complacency with the electric and the enthusiasm gap between republicans and democrats. we have certainly seen an awakening within that universe of republicans. we have seen a growing since july. we are already starting to see it in polls on the senate side, numbers are starting to shift, and things are starting to move. june, i was in talking to folks within our organization, and i said what we really need is there has to be something that will wait a block. any staff and happen around the first week of october. we could not have predicted it was this. we could not have predicted the circumstances. we are starting to see that enthusiasm grow from a republican point of view. examining the confirmation goes forward tomorrow, i think the fact that we are 30 days out, i don't you will see them go back. afterwards, new

york magazine rebecca tracer on her book good and bad, the revolutionary power of women's anger, she is interviewed by brittany cooper. the author of old rage. >> i am a feminist journalist. part of my work has obviously been rooted in anger. you would not be a journalist writing about inequity, racial inequity, economic inequality if you are not mad about those inequalities. there has obviously been anger under my work for a long time. when i decided i was going to write this book, one of the things i could do when i looked back was see the pains i have taken early in my career to obscure that anger. i absorbed the notion that if i was too angry, i would not be taken seriously. i would sound hysterical and

radical. anodynee of the most baby feminist writing i did 15 years ago was not very good. the most mild hop feminism. i think about the comments i got back then, a lot of them were rooted in you sound like a crazy, sex starved woman that is just mad because men don't like you. i was writing pop commentary about paris hilton. the response is you are too angry for me to take you seriously. i was covering up that anger with jokes and a general good cheer. watch afterwards tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on the tv. washington journal continues. host: after the confirmation vote of judge kavanaugh, our sunday roundtable on her cleft is joining us with the daily

beast. a sometimes those of the mclaughlin group, siraj hashmi. guest: it was a one-time thing. host: where are we this morning? guest: i think eleanor would like to tell us about that. i guess we are more divided as a nation today than we have then at any point this year with respect to the confirmation of brett kavanaugh. the tensions are as high as they have been at any other instance during the trump administration. it is interesting how this particular horrified has united fight hass -- court united republicans. republicans have mostly been off in their own camps. they are even more tribal than democrats. this court fight united

republicans in a way that i don't think many people really thought. that is just in terms of the midterm election. that probably scares democrats a little bit. host: mitch mcconnell said that. the map is benefiting senate republicans. guest: the production was that the kavanaugh confirmation seals the senate majority for the republicans, and he said i hope i am wrong. . think that is right today we still have almost four weeks ago. we have seen how tumultuous every week is in this presidency. i don't think anything is a foregone conclusion. i think there's a lot of anger in the country. republicans may be celebrating a win. the president may be celebrating a win. when you look at people storming the steps of the supreme court, when you look at how curious people are that this

confirmation was rammed through on the basis of a short-circuited fbi investigation, on the basis of change rules that eliminated the filibuster for supreme court nominees, there is a lot of division that is not going to go away with his confirmation. you have to look at where do we go from here. from my perspective, the justice that susan collins described in her almost 50 minute speech on senate, is thee justice i hope shows up at the supreme court. , andudge we saw testified the partisan anger that spilled over, if that judge shows up, i think that really hurts the court and hurts our democratic processes. host: the gofundme page to go after susan collins g20, more

than 120,000 individual contributions raising $3 million. cannot carry out three years from now -- two years from now? guest: i don't think so. maine has been very kind susan collins. it is one of those tricky states because they are in a pretty democratic area with respect to it being new england, but they tend to vote republican, at least in certain pockets of maine. think 2020 when she is up for most voterslargely will have either forgotten about her vote or kavanaugh or will find rationale to support her with respect to her about because by that time we will have at least two full cycles of brett kavanaugh being justice of the supreme court to try to gauge his judicial rulings.

i think there is certainly reason to be concerned if you are running a campaign for susan collins to think that $3 million for any 2020 opponent. the obama administration was considering running against susan collins. i don't think that will fly well if they go with someone like her. host: let's talk about the texas race. donald trump was called by ted cruz a liar. he went after ted cruz, his wife, his father, saying he was linked to the assassination of john kennedy. later this month, he will be in texas campaigning. why is it so important for president trump to campaign in texas. ted cruz has done a full trump since then. he is one of the presidents biggest offenders.

lindsey graham is in that category. i would even put susan collins in the category now of having fully capitulated to this president. why is it important to the president to campaign for him? there may be some voters in texas who recall the bad blood between ted cruz and donald trump during the campaign, and their votes are equal. hasdemocrat, that o'rourke attracted a lot of national attention, and democrats see him, if he were to win or get close as immediately being launched onto the national scene. it is a tight race, but texas is still a very red state. it is more likely than not that ted cruz will win. the president told us he is going to have somebody wins, we are going to get tired of him winning. even be pocketing another win there. guest: senate math is not working in the democrats favor.

there are nine tossup states for the senate. majority.s hold an of the nine races, democrats have five seats in which they are incumbent. they have to win those five and two more that is either getting ted cruz, knocking off dean heller in nevada, or picking up one of those tossup races in where bob corker is retiring or arizona or jeff flake is retiring. that is so much more work if you republicans will probably hold the senate. i think they have a good shot at the house. having president trump go to texas to campaign for ted cruz is a huge boon for him. as charismatic and likable as beto o'rourke is to many democrats, it is simply too big of a hill to climb for him. host: while the texas race is a

surprise for republicans, new jersey is now a competitive race with menendez facing a challenge. guest: with bob menendez, he is coming out with videos about the supreme court nominee process and the fbi investigation. we can talk about that in particular. i think it was more within his own office. new jersey is one of those states nobody saw coming. probe andct to the corruption investigation into his tenure as senator has probably been a big issue for new jersey voters. i still think he will probably win. guest: it is a little bit like texas. cruise is likely to win. menendez is likely to win. each party will probably have to spend more money than they would like to defend those seats. just weeks ago, the senate looked in play for democrats. we still have a few weeks left.

whichever party has the majority, it is fun to be a thin majority. party has majority, it is going to be a thin majority. a runoff in mississippi where you have my guess be a former clinton cabinet secretary of transportation running a credible race for u.s. senate. host: you were here yesterday and seven demonstrations outside the supreme court. how do the democrats capture that in terms of momentum on election day? guest: right now, democrats are not really worried that this. is going to wayne by -- this byy is going to wane november. a young man on the mclaughlin

group was telling how he once dated a young woman who was going to vote for obama. i think he said they split up over that. shortly before the election, she called him and said, you have to register for this stuff? she was voting in new york. you really do have to register in the primary and get your documents in. she could not vote because she did not really understand the process. there is a very good website org, i guess itt. must be. you can plug in your state and see what the requirements are, the polling places closest to you. there is a lot of manipulation going on around the ability to vote in ohio. they have closed down the number of voting sites. they have been somewhat and accessible.

you have to know what you need to do. there are now some good government groups, not necessarily partisan, trying to get everyone to understand how you vote in this country, which is i think the basic ticket of admission to a democrat society. -- democratic society. you need to vote. host: we are talking to eleanor clift at roche hashmi. we will get to you -- so roche siraj hasmi. to your calls. republicans will be looking at how he performs on the court. guest: with respect to the midterm election, the senate is republicansing, or

holding the house and senate, is stopping the democrats pushing for impeachment of kavanaugh. it can be done. it has not been done since the early 1800s. guest: that is -- guest: highly unlikely. guest: impeachment is easy. you could almost impeach a ham sandwich. you normally need a majority vote in the house. the question is, does it make sense? people who voted for you are saying what did you do for me when impeachment conviction is so likely with a needed two thirds in the senate. progressivesratic in particular are so furious that they want to hear something can be done. obviously there is talk of impeachment in the air. guest: i have seen kathy griffin selling merchandise on twitter, impeach cataloger -- kavanaugh.

with a target on his back, with family,to him and his there is no room for error for kavanaugh. if he happens to cite anything rulings thatce -- could be on the nose for the accusations that came up against him him that would be something that would invigorate a lot of narrative.ush the guest: i think it is more about his partisanship and how will that manifest itself. he is going to have to live up to the kind of justice he first outline himself as those hearings. that is going to take time. his rulings will be judged. the justice who seek he is taking, justice kennedy, he was the deciding vote in 92% of the 5-4 cases.

this is a very critical vote. i suspect conservatives will be looking to him to live up to what they expect. susan collins, who painted him as a moderate is going to be hoping he will fall more along the kennedy line. guest: time will tell. guest:i disagree with susan collins that he is a moderate. he is a conservative. he was a push guy. -- bush guide. guy.s donna ganz -- bush mcgahn's pick. she came under the ninth circuit november 2017. possibly considering her for the supreme court so soon was going to bring up even more scrutiny

about your judicial record because there was hardly anything. host: let's talk about ham sandwiches. how likely is that? let's go to larry, democrat line. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: we are great. caller: good morning. i have two questions. my first question is for the female. herould like to know from ou because i have heard from people calling on c-span and fox news saying that it was the democrats ford to comeis ms. before the judiciary senate committee. host: thank you. eleanor clift. guest: christine blasey ford told her story very well.

how she actually went to her representative in california while brett kavanaugh was on the shortlist of potential nominees. it was before he was selected. she wanted her name kept confidential. she wanted to report what she remembered as sexual assault against her when they were advised. gothe time, her complaint to dianne feinstein, senator of california, ranking democrat on the judiciary committee. weeks had passed. nameord insisted that her be confidential. respected thein confidentiality but finally did report it to some other colleagues on the judiciary committee. .t took some time by then the confirmation

hearings were virtually over. republicans regarded it as a last-minute dirty trick to affect the outcome. host: in hindsight, should senator feinstein at least have had a confidential station with senator chuck grassley to say this is out there. you should know about it. guest: she should have done that. she should have reported it at least initially to the fbi. there is no such thing as confidential conversations on capitol hill. i think she was well aware that once she told anybody that word would get out. i think you're feeling was that if this woman was not willing to attach your name to it that the information was useless. it did mirror what happened with anita hill in 1991. her information also came forward at the conclusion of the confirmation hearings. she initially did not want her name to be used. she reluctantly came forward. if you had to do it over, you

would like dr. ford to have made her allegations and the fbi to have been immediately brought in and a serious investigation to have been undertaken. host: from time magazine, how christine blasey ford's testimony moved america. did it? guest: absolutely. more people are sympathetic to hear about sexual misconduct, central salt, rape victims,. with respect to the senate bill, many victims are reeling right now. they don't think that their story or their lives matter because brett kavanaugh is now on the supreme court. i believe every victim needs to be heard. at the same time, you have to hear the other side of the story. with respect to dr. ford's allegations against brett kavanaugh, the facts simply did enough to was not

meet the standard for a lot of these republicans. manchin,.or joe whether you can check that up to partisan politics, you certainly can. for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell president trump, they play for keeps. the play to win. inther people get hurt pursuit of that goal, sometimes they are willing to take the brunt of that. north carolina, mike, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. no real question, that i would like to make three points, and if the panel could comment on it. i am thrilled. i really am. i cannot believe how invested my -- this really was must watch tv, let's put it that

way, especially if you have an interest in this republic of ours. i am incredibly amazed and very surprised that now that the dust is going to settle that it appears the heroes in all this are people i never would have guessed ago. senator lindsey graham 2.0 has -- hisrned into being calling out of the democrats in the confirmation hearing on what advising ms. ford of the offer to go to california, the blatant openness of them not wanting to support any republican, and it would not have mattered with a put up, they would have been against it. he was incredible. grassleyins: senator just had a herculean task i was not sure he was going to be up to it.

he is not a young man anymore. i think he did a fantastic job and just trying to keep it all under control while the mob went nuts. the usual leftist morons. i will not go there. yes, brett kavanaugh is going to be painted as a conservative the matter what he does, why? for the same reason justice scalia was painted that way as a partisan. the constitution is a conservative document. the constitution constrains the federal government. it clearly lays out the enumerated powers of the federal government. it is not a living document. path kavanaugh is going to take, just like gorsuch and alito just like justice antonin scalia. it is a natural flow from anyone who believes in being a constitutionalist or an originalist. the constitution does not grant all this authority that has come up. host: we want to move on with

some comments. republicans played every card correctly that they could in light of the allegations against judge kavanaugh. i think there was a lot of political fear on both sides, specifically looking at cory booker with his spartacus moment. even outside of the actual confirmation hearing, you had protesters dressing up in hands made detailed outfit. you have people obviously accusing judge kavanaugh's assistant of gesturing a white power hand symbol. there are a lot of tactics that are used to try to derail kavanaugh's confirmation hearing were confirmation vote. with respect to the allegations of dr. ford, there is some legitimacy in terms of how

democrats handled it. leanor brought up how dianne feinstein should have brought this up sooner to chuck grassley. like democrats really overplayed their hands on this. that expended even more energy. i could have been used towards the midterm elections. there are 21 members of the senate judiciary committee. they are all white men on the republican side. chuck grassley was asked white women are not on the committee. his response, it is a lot of work. maybe they don't want to do it. he later retracted those comments. i'm sure he had a young staffer saying that is not going to play very well. it has been a time-honored defense when people in authority say they cannot find women lawyers for the women are more worried about their families. i think women have proven

themselves in the political arena. republicans were smart enough to put susan collins forward to have the final defense of judge and have female senators sitting behind her. in fact female senators are very small republican side. host: a new congress, there will be a limit on the republican side of the senator fischer the first time ever. guest: he is listening. guest: the female lawyer on the republican side is lisa murkowski, who abstained or both. guest: kamala harris and amy klobuchar. guest: republicans. republicans. guest: i see. host: chuck grassley is not a lawyer. the will of the marcia, independent. caller: good morning. it is marcia.

host: i'm sorry. caller: it's ok. it is spelled the same way. i would like to see our judges picked the way we pick our jury. themld like to see addressed not by whoever is in power but that the bill itself has the power. i would like it to be addressed in order. if you are not ready to vote on, take a vote. if you're not, put it in a committee, if 30 days for research, 30 days to review, and when the 60 days is up, you vote on the bill. he does have like 2000 some bills. guy, if thehat constitution is static, it is not a living document, does that mean no amendments? black people should be slaves, women should not be able to vote? if it is like that, maybe we should think about separating

peaceably because we're not going to agree. just are not. a place that in says that if i am a woman and i did an abortion, i'm going to get arrested, or the doctor that performs it is going to get arrested. i don't believe the things that the people who don't want abortion believe about a baby. host: thank you for the call. caller: i think she accurately represents the division of thought and opinion on these very important cultural issues. i think i think how justice kavanaugh could provide the fifth vote to in 1973 roe v. wade, ruling that made abortion rights legal in this country, i don't think that is going to happen immediately. but there are a number of cases being teed up to head to the court that would

severely restrict the right to abortion in the united states. the president campaigned on his promise to nominate pro-life judges. he says the right would just go back to the states. he could be right about that. he would have people that live on the east coast or west coast probably having easier access to reproductive rights. people in the middle of the country, in the writer states, -- redder states, having great difficulty. is this what we really want? i don't think so. i think kavanaugh locking down --s conservative majority justice was the deciding vote on same-sex marriage and protecting roe. if the republicans really want to take those steps, and their campaign rhetoric is that they do, i think there will be a backlash.

we are seeing stirrings of that backlash in the way people are reacting to the installation of justice kavanaugh. swore him inely right after the vote, as though they were fearful that something else would come out. there seemed to be urgency. there will be a formal ceremony on monday. host: we welcome our listeners on the potus channel. we are also live on the bbc parliament channel in great britain. we say good afternoon to our viewers in the u.k. we are with eleanor clift of "the daily beast" and siraj hashmi of the "washington examiner." good morning.

caller: i want to go back to ronald reagan who said the democratic party has moved so far to the left that they have left america. is that thet democratic party has taken on a foreign ideology. streets you saw in the chanting what they were told to chant. fox news, there was an episode with a guy with a ponytail right out of the 1960's was telling them exactly what to chant. he would tell them what to chant and they would recruit -- repeat the chant. there was a movie called "the trial" on turner classic movies about two weeks ago. people are to watch it. communistdo with the party and how they have infiltrated into this country.

this was 1955. you have to congratulate the left. they've taken over the news media, hollywood, the opinion. representsroup that it is against somebody. host: thank you. siraj hashmi? guest: there is certainly something to the claim that the democratic party has moved to the left. certainly several socialist issues democrats are starting to accept. they are having a bigger impact on the narrative on the issues they care most about. single-payer health care is huge. they are counteracting the tough

immigration policies president trump is wanting to enact. democrats had more favor with independents on their social progressivism. most people say they are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. ofocrats did a good job messaging to voters on the fence during elections to tell them exactly what it is they should be voting on. women's right to choose, same-sex marriage. those things that seem to be at the crux of how people are divided. host: who will lead the democrats going into 2020? guest: i want to go back to the caller who invoked ronald reagan. i want to point out that ronald reagan appointed sandra day o'connor to the supreme court, the first woman.

he got a lot of pushback from pro-life groups who were afraid she would be too moderate on reproductive issues, and they were right. he also appointed justice kennedy after two failed nominations in between. those were two superb appointments. host: and justice scalia. guest: exactly. catalogs probably more than two dozen democrats who are eyeing the presidential race. i did not read every word, i have to admit, that i think he basically concludes he does not know what democrats will want in this candidate and the sorting out process will begin immediately after this midterm. mirror what the republicans went through in 2016 with a very long string of people, may be two separate debates to handle everyone.

i think the democrats will weed people out quicker than the republicans were able to. at this moment, there are a number of very qualified candidates who could step in and be president from day one. host: does jill biden run -- does jill biden run? den run?joe bi guest: i don't know that going through a year-plus of primaries that he would cannot on top. kavanaugh hearing brings up memories of the clarence thomas/anita hill hearings. both parties made a mess of those hearings. he will have to do a lot of explaining about that. i think he starts out with a handicap in the #metoo in iraq in the democratic party --

#metoo era in the democratic party. i think he has been trying to make up for the clarence thomas and anita hill theg by being the face of other movement. overlookingople are is the impact of michael avenatti. guest: dream on. guest: his impact with democratic voters. i think he will have a bigger impact than most people are thinking. think he is the outsider channeling rage against president trump. a lot of commentators like to dismiss the fact he could be cloud like people

painted donald trump when he was running for president. if michaeln't know avenatti will. verify were a republican, i would want him to get in because i think he was a destructive force in the hearings. he was not a constructive force. host: this is a story from the "new york times." "testing the 2020 waters." you can watch that as part of c-span's "road to the white house" coverage. you can affect the conversation. you can get your issue out. you can build credibility to be on the ticket or for future

race. i think it will be a crowded arena for democrats. i don't think democratic voters know going in exactly what they are looking for. guest: a think if the senate judiciary process taught us anything, it is about which democrats are really thinking of running for president. there have been so many democrats that have tried to and show howment principled they are to fight against the trump administration. raised offem fund what they did. guest: that is called politics. guest: they picked particular moments. it is very strategic. most of them will probably run for president. guest: it is a long-standing joke in washington that every senator looks in the mirror every morning and here's "hail

to the chief." pence,ice president mike and joe biden, we will be covering those events this week. we will go to jeff next in spring hill, florida, on the democrats' line. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have never been more ashamed of my country in my life. i'm 63 years old. i flipped through 12 presidents, republican and -- i have lived through 12 presidents, republican and democrat. i am disgusted with what has happened with kavanaugh. not because he is going to be nominated as a republican, because the entire republican party, including my next-door

neighbors, have no moral values whatsoever. they did not carry out a true investigation. we got the truth about kavanaugh off the "fake news," which is nothing but what was designed by the president. the republican people have not only put a known sexual predator nowhe white house but allowed him to manipulate a true process by not putting the proper people in front of this panel to be investigated and talked to. they pushed him through because they had the votes. now we have a sexual predator on the supreme court. host: how do you respond to that sentiment? guest: a lot of people believe he is a credible sexual predator.

if you look at the allegations against him, it is very hard to corroborate those allegations, to say definitively that he did these things with respect to the julie swetnick accusations, could not actually say he was responsible for any of these particular gang rapes that were allegedly happening. with respect to deborah ramirez, what wase had -- reported what she was drunk at the time. she was counseled by her attorneys for six days and had to reflect her thoughts to definitively say this was kavanaugh. that was another thing that could not be corroborated. that to the ford allegations, all the people named as witnesses could not corroborate her story. her best friends said she did not know brett kavanaugh. if kavanaugh did not categorically deny these allegations, there would be room for doubt.

there is not enough to say -- guest: no corroboration is not the same as exoneration. secondly, the fbi was given five days to conduct an investigation. they wrapped it up in three. they reportedly only interviewed nine people. they got their instructions from the white house counsel so they were limited. they did not find corroborating evidence because they were not able to look for it. submitted aawyers long list of potential witnesses to corroborate her story, and they did not contact them. there are numerous reports of people who tried to get through to the fbi and they could not tell their story, so it is a tainted investigation. that taint is going to follow justice kavanaugh to the court with an asterisk next to his name. guest: the people that cannot

get through were people christine ford allegedly told the story. guest: when you have sexual conduct, you often don't have three or four other people in the room. you corroborate those in other ways. it was not full investigation. i think if the democrats get the house, one thing they may pursue is to try to find out what the instructions were from the white house to the fbi. that is a flashpoint that could continue. ts, eleanorues clift and siraj hashmi. mike you are from arizona on the republican line. thank you for waiting. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was worried brett kavanaugh is using the

constitution as it was originally intended by the framers of the constitution. there was a good example of that where a three strikes and you're out life whose total a man thefts were less than $300. into what theed constitution intended. he went back into the old found somes and , they did not care if the punishment was proportional to the crime. some cases did do that. this supreme court justice argued that because some did and some did not, we are not

modernly bound by either one of initiate a life $300 in for less than crimes. host: thank you, mike. guest: it was a little difficult to hear the caller, but i assume he is referencing the california three strikes rule. with respect to our judicial system and how it needs reform in criminal justice, i think that is a more bipartisan effort in recent years that has been beforehand. especially when you look at police conduct and police brutality, that has been a hot button issue under the spotlight that people need to address. withcameras have helped respect to sing someone to

prison after three strikes, i don't necessarily agree with that. california has the choice to decide what they are going to do. guest: the division is if you individualist or originalist on the constitution. i think chief justice roberts now emerges as the swing vote. guest: imagine that. guest: he understands the court will be viewed in the context of evolving society, and he does not want the court to be totally out of step. that is why he was the deciding vote to preserve obamacare. people on the side of the living documents say the founding fathers could not have imagined coming in allrs of the technology we live in.

constitution has been amended a number of times. it needs to change, it is a liberal document. that tends to be the liberal view. host: luis from texas -- louis from texas, you are next. caller: i was watching the kavanaugh hearing and kept -- he kept looking at his watch. people say they feel sorry for his wife and children. she has to be wondering who she is married to because the anger he showed was scary to me. i wonder what she and the children are exposed to at home. thank you. host: thank you. guest: i think brett kavanaugh's anger about being called a rapist and sexual assaulter when he believes he did not do these things is warranted. if i was accused of doing those things i know i did not do, that would be a similar reaction i am

sure many people would have. with respect to shown it in front of the senate judiciary thinktee, a lot of people the partisan rage that came out would somewhat disqualify him for the supreme court. i think that is a stretch. he talked about revenge -- guest: he said what goes around comes around. guest: i think there are some things he probably wishes he did not say and suge knight said. i certainly agree -- and should not have said. it should not have gone down the way it did. at the same time, this is a man who not only had his rack up against the wall but was so drained by this that his mind wandered off and things like

that slip out. guest: the question is, did he show us his true self that day? he was a partisan for shoulder on the right for more than a dozen years before he became a judge. he was in the bush white house working on torture memos, selecting court justices. he worked on the star investigation pursuing president clinton, drafted the set of questions that were so intrusive and personal that even ken starr did not feel they were warranted to ask the president great he has a history of being quite partisan. his time on the court the last dozen years, he worked closely, irony of ironies, with mark -- merrick garland. the reports of his tenure there are for the most part very positive. you have to weigh that. i hope the justice kavanaugh he

, id he would be as a judge hope that is the one that shows up on the court. guest: i would concede it is highly possible brett kavanaugh was a drinking frat boy through college and most of his life. i don't think that makes him a sexual predator. guest: no -- guest: a lot of people are conflating that because he drank not, buti know you are a lot of people are making the argument conflating the point that because he liked beer so much he must be. guest: he kind of falsified his behavior. i'm not outright saying lying, but the comments on the air book, to say -- but the comments in the yearbook, anyone who went to high school -- get.: the "snl" -- skit.

guest: you can say they are small things, but if you lie about small things you can lie about big things. people who have come through the court who he has called leftist groups and will feel like they do not get a fair shake. will he recruits -- will he recuse himself? it does raise issues of partisanship. the: that will strangle -- is referencedle as the three branches. of start at the beginning when problems started -- i want to start at the beginning when problems started on the supreme court.

when they decided who would be president, it changed things. now you look at mitch mcconnell not giving merrick garland a become a supreme court justice, you have to look at the history and not falsify it to look at the supreme court clearly. i listen to a lot of republicans. i listen to the gentleman now not telling the truth. you are lying and falsifying information. when you say there is no conclusive evidence, no one was looking for conclusive evidence. there was not an investigation of a crime. i hope she files charges in montgomery county and maybe we will get additional information.

if you are going to talk about something, i would appreciate if you bring facts instead of falsehoods. host: judy, thank you. guest: her attorneys have already said she is not going to pursue this matter further. i'm going based off the information we already have. with respect to the fbi investigation, i know a lot of people are trying to undermine the credibility of it. that is a fair criticism to make. i cannot say with certainty how the fbi conducts their investigations. areink a lot of people saying the fbi has become a politicized agency of the executive branch. they have been saying the fbi has been politicized against president trump with respect to the fisa warrants issued during

his 2016 campaign. of democrats and liberals trying to say the fbi all of a sudden is politicized against democrats and liberals. i will say this. i am not a republican. i am an independent. i tried to call it how i see it. kavanaugh's nomination soon is thes first allegation came out from dr. ford. in the hearing where dr. ford gave her testimony, i thought he was done. as soon as kavanaugh categorically denied it and we got as much information as we could, i thought it was an even playing field. 60% sure he would get confirmed. as it was drawn out with

allegations from debbie reynolds and julie swetnick, some doubt. somehow, republicans managed to get him past the finish line. host: let me go back to the merrick garland issue because this continues to come up. his nomination language until president obama left office. of hypocrisyght for republicans to complain. guest: president obama was too polite about it. he took advice from orrin hatch who said if you appoint a centrist judge who is older, you can get it through. orrin hatch is the one who worked with president clinton to get ruth bader ginsburg installed on the court with 90-plus votes.

the president kept thinking reason would prevail. he went to the democratic convention in july and spoke there and did not raise the fact his supreme court nomination had been stalled. some of my democratic and republican friends have said to me if a republican president had a supreme court nomination held by a democratic senate -- democratic senate, what would that president be doing? he would be screaming from the rooftops. i think president obama was too nice about it. maybe he could not have changed minds, but he left that pass. what mcconnell did was unprecedented. weuess maybe obama thought are probably going to elect hillary clinton so why make a big fuss over it. well, see what happened. on the republican line in

minnesota, you are on the line. thank you for being patient. caller: thank you for taking my call. you were talking about congressional races. i thought eleanor said mike espy was a former obama official from the department of transportation. guest: clinton. caller: he was not from the department of transportation. he was from the department of agriculture. that is not what you said, so i guess i am a deplorable man from a red state. guest: i appreciate the correction. host: we will go to george next in st. petersburg, florida. caller: good morning. abused and she did not report it because she did

not want to because it did not happen. they say it did not happen. it did. she did not report it. it was in the 1980's when you don't report things. i also think this ford thing was fake. at all thatproof anything happened. we had seven investigations from the fbi. come on, seven investigations? and everyone said no. that is pretty big. maybe he got drunk occasionally. people do. we all do, right? let's be honest. -- maybe he did not do it because there is no corroboration. thank you very much.

i love c-span. host: thank you, george. guest: i don't doubt that dr. ford was sexually assaulted at some point in her life. it is possible she was assaulted in the early 1980's as her testimony claims. pinpoint withd to respect to how she got to the party and when she got home from it, when it happened. those facts are not adding up. the fact that her story has changed from her therapist's notes to what she told the committee. i understand memory is hazy, especially in particular instances that are traumatic to individuals. host: did president trump cross the line when he mocked her? guest: the characterization that he mocked her, president trump

has a way of speaking that always comes off as him being very mocking. everything president trump does, most people think he crossed the line. i think you have to understand that when he supposedly mocked a reporter that was disabled, the also locked ted cruz -- mocked ted cruz weeks before in the same way. guest: ted cruz is probably able to handle it better than a disabled reporter or christine ford. i think the answer to your question of did he go over the line is yes. guest: yes, he did cross the line. i don't think he needed to do that. there are many things president trump does that he did not need to do. guest: he is taking for cur -- he is taking credit for that.

he is telling women you should be afraid of your sons, husbands, and father's because everyone is formidable to allegations. with respect to how the process was carried out, if kavanaugh was blocked, you can and at future nominees democrats could possibly weaponize that type of allegation again whether it is true or false or cannot be corroborated. guest: that kind of allegation is what was brought forward in 1991. we have not seen it weaponize a lot supreme court nominations because we have not had these kind of allegations come up in the context of supreme court nominations. senate just installed neil gorsuch. guest: with anthony kennedy being the swing vote.

you now taking more the power liberals thought they had on the supreme court. guest: you are saying this is why? guest: i'm saying it is a big factor. guest: i think if you listen to dr. ford, this came out organically. this was not democrats scouring the countryside to try to find allegations that could be made up. there is authenticity about this that i don't think people will be able to deny. we will see what repercussions may have in november. host: you mentioned the overwhelming support ruth bader ginsburg received when she was confirmed by the senate. justice stevens confirmed 98-0. will we see that in the future? guest: not with this president. host: with future presidents? guest: you hope for a better day when there is less bipartisanship. guest: getting rid of the

60-vote threshold i think was a big mistake. guest: done by the democrats. guest: they did not get rid of the 60-vote threshold for supreme court nominees. republicans did. i can defend what harry reid did because of republican on obstruction at the time. they were blocking every appointment. you had president trump saying president obama just got tired, he did not really nominate judges. the reason he did not is because the republicans blocked him. from my perspective, that was defensible. doing that on the supreme court will give us a different supreme court. at some point in the distant future, the shoe maybe on the other foot. sirajrush hashmi -- hashmi, how can people follow you? guest: on twitter.

host: eleanor clift? guest: i write for "daily beast" and the mclaughlin group is back on the air. host: "saturday night live" is back on the air with a new season. last night, the opening skit. [video clip] >> i hate to interrupt you. >> please do. i need a break. >> senator schumer, what were wrong? >> my doctor thinks it might be sciatica. [laughter] >> i met with the kavanaugh vote. without this time would be better than the anita hill hearing because dr. ford was white, with and turns out that kavanaugh was white too and we were completely blindsided by that. >> understood. senator manchin, the one democratic yes vote, is headed this way right now. >> no hard feelings.

>> back to you. very cool, chill energy here. several senators also appear to be wearing goggles. >> these are from miller high -- ofhe champagne beer beer. >> let's keep this horny male energy going until midterms. host: closing comments? guest: some of the best acting i have seen from the cast in years. guest: all i can say is ouch. host: eleanor clift and sriracha hashmi, thank you -- eleanor clift and siraj hashmi, thank you for being here. our lines are open.

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host: agree or disagree with that? james's first up on the democrats' line. good morning. caller: it is a treat to get through. i have been a longtime listener to c-span and have not had a chance to get through for many years.

i think there will be a tremendous impact if you look at the protesting going on in the halls of congress and on the supreme court plaza. based on the evidence along, i think you'll see tremendous influence. i want to say one thing about the kavanaugh hearing. the party in control, the majority party in the body of the senate, has a duty and obligation to recognize the minority. that is the purpose of the senate. that has been abused, if you will, because there was no compromise. there was an open, public limits ont tremendous the investigation of those accusations and kavanaugh's record.

to the extent the majority party overreaches, i believe it puts our democracy at risk because of the threat to the disregard and denigration of the minority opinion. host: thanks for the call. tweet.as this and this from jane. "the storm before the storm mimics today." george joins us on the republican line. kavanaughthink this decision will bring the republican party together more. .ou had the never-trumpers

he went to the bush white house to get his nominee. i think he will bring them together. up withcrats are jacked the midterms because they see this as a bad nominee. but their witnesses never had any corroboration. therefore, you could not put the 36 out for something he did years ago without some real evidence. not block --mp did he was trying to explain how there was no corroboration. she could not remember how she got there. they turned the radio up. , she says you know

she was locked in the bathroom. is she says they were playing ping-pong off-the-wall. howwould you know that -- would she know that if she were locked in the bathroom? other guy denies it, the person should be able to change their mind with evidence and she did not have it. host: since the senate began debate on brett kavanaugh, we have been tracking the numbers in the senate. all 100 senators have spoken at some point, democrats taking up most of the time. 22 hours for the democrats. for the republicans, closer to 10 hours. the total time is available on our website at c-span.org. the is george joining us on republican line from florida. caller: how you doing?

with the midterms, the republicans are going to take it hands down. treatedthe democrats this man was unconscionable. people see that. the young people never come out to vote. signs ofn said by the the demonstration in front of the white house, that was not that big. it was maybe 1000 people. andreporter went around found most were curiosity seekers. i don't think the democrats have a shot. socialism globally is over. . i don't know why they keep fighting for it because the rest of the world is going capitalist. china is a capitalist country. one other thing.

this "saturday night live" that you always put on is a childish, i.q., i don'tw even find it humorous. you're not pushing a commercial product, are you? you are not affiliated with "saturday night live"? host: we are partially funded by the cable industry. thank you for calling. this is from hank rutherford who disagrees with you. he is calling it a blue wave in 2018. on the republican line from florida, thank you for joining us. caller: thank you for taking my call. thate always been a person did my own research and voted for the candidate that met my ideal. in this case, i started watching because it said something to me

due to my own personal experience. the democrats did a terrible job trying to push that man. her testimony was not credible. she changed her story three times at least. she could not do anything to corroborate what her claim was. the person who was her friend said she felt pressured by her side. badlyk this was shown so that people will come out and not bother to look at people's records. they will vote for the side that did not do this to this man. i just did not find her testimony credible. i listened to both sides, dr. ford and mr. kavanaugh, and i found his testimony much more compelling. host: thank you. says therom sam who

republicans changed the rules so they could get the votes. on the democratic line, jesse is next from youngstown, ohio. trump isood morning. doing more to side with russia and putin than his own country. remember when the dixie chicks were against the iraq war and were called traitors? i don't how he cannot be called a traitor. he is bankrupting our country like he did the casinos while he pays no tax for himself. the devil's triangle, clearly a drinking game. two or more men get a girl too drinunk to resist, and then they rate per -- rape her.

if trump wants to call survivors and those who support them a mob, i want to be part of that mob. real men protect women. where are the heroes in the republican party? host: chuck schumer before the final vote had this to say. [video clip] >> my colleagues, my fellow americans, what is the appropriate response? our country needs to have a reckoning on these issues. there's only one remedy. change must come from where change in america always begins, the about box. -- the ballot box. to the many americans outraged by what happened here, there is one answer. vote. andou believe dr. ford other brave women who came

forward and want to vindicate their sacrifice, vote. if you believe the supreme court should hold women's rights, vote. if you believe the supreme court must protect health care and our pre-existing conditions that are protected now, notvote. if you believe the supreme court should defend workers, consumers, the environment, civil rights, native populations? vote. if you believe the supreme court should be a check on overreaching president, vote. if you believe the process in the senate was a sham and you believe americans deserve better, vote. if you believe that supreme court justices should conform to the highest standards of character, impartiality, temperament, and above all, honesty and credibility, vote.

host: we will go to karen in columbus, north carolina. a live look at the u.s. capitol. on the independent line, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. he showed chuck schumer. tacticsing scare democrats always use. i am an independent and i agree with the independent from florida. i don't join a party. chuck schumer uses scare tactics. one thing he said, the process of the senate was a sham, yes, it was a sham due to him and dianne feinstein. when they had that letter, they should have used it immediately and dealt with it than. it would not have been this circus. i am proud of trump. i am proud of the republican senate.

i am all for them. they made a republican out of me this time. thank you for taking my call. have a great day. host: senator mitch mcconnell says kavanaugh will make the andte and country proud serve with distinction on our highest court. stephen is joining us from oklahoma. caller: good morning. finally get in. i appreciate it. i'm ashamed at what the democrats tried to do to this poor man. so many people talked about his .ork, including democrats nothing has been pointed out about his professor at the yale law school, a democrat, a liberal, and said how great a student he was even though their politics do not agree.

also, this other main point, the hypocrisy of the democrats. when she was president of harvard law school thed kavanaugh to be constitutional professor at harvard. obama appointed kagan. if she saw anything in his background, you had to be the best, the cream of the crop, to teach at harvard. get real. this was nothing but a big fiasco. booker should be ashamed of himself and all the democrats. there is going to be a red wave. this energized the republican party. and i don't agree with everything president trump does. host: justice kavanaugh is on twitter.

missouri,y from independent line. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i feel very strongly about what i am about to say because i lived it. women will not want to go back 50 years to back alley abortions, socially forced reputations,ined or ruined lives. sanctimonious, patronizing pastors and busybody church ladies of a tax-free, subsidized control of behavior under political rule of a white male master class of mentally stultified old fuddy-duddies.

whose lives and bodies this is about after all? i think women's issues and race tangentialreal but to the real question this are we faces, which is, going to continue to allow the predatory privileged prep schoolers and their ivy league cohorts to continue to run things in this country? host: kay, thanks for the call. this headline from the "washington times." we are asking what impact, if any, his confirmation to the supreme court will have on the up coming midterm elections. we are one month away. a lot of debates coming up on the network, including one today

in the maryland senate race. brad on the democrats' line, good morning. caller: what's up? i am wanting to suggest teacups of the requests. host: what is that? could be trouble but go ahead. before you hear one of couldtrumpers call in, you please play the theme from ?deliverance," the banjo theme could you please put 1-800-trump-tard for them? host: go ahead, ken, you are on the air. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i listened to the lady who

about in previously disparaging comments amongst everybody in our society as being a threat to her own rule of her own life. really, this was a power play by the democrats and a replay of the anita hill/clarence thomas confirmation. week, replayed that last and i was able to watch the famous words that will never be forgotten uttered by a black nominee to the supreme court. senator joe "slimy" because they knew they were trying to derail this nomination just like they had robert bork, and they brought up anita hill. you should have heard the stuff

that was discussed in committee with anita hill. for any be embarrassing young children to have listened to this. but they all-time low, were out to destroy clarence thomas. to theuld have listened senator from alabama. he was going to go down the same path. clarence thomas replied that he had not watched the anita hill testimony. he said it would be unfair to ask you questions. in summary, clarence thomas issued the words, "i will not give you any more rope to hang and this is nothing but a high-tech lynching." the rebuttal and response from mr. kavanaugh when he was anught back into testify for

additional hour or so and he was angry, and so because he had been unjustly charged. this was another playbook from the democrats. it was all about the abortion issue. a woman's right and a man's right because it takes two to produce the baby, to kill the baby in the womb, and i believe the republicans finally took a and said wee god, will fight back against this awful smear campaign to destroy someone's character. this is the politics of personal destruction, and they know no low. these are the progressive eyes -- ideas trying to be rammed down the american people's throats. this is out of saul alinsky's "rules for radicals." host: the swearing-in will be tomorrow evening.

we will show that to you live on c-span. the official swearing-in took place just hours after he was confirmed by the senate by the chief justice of the united states, john roberts. ruth marcus of the washington post with this question, can kavanaugh be a team player? henry has this tweet. the impact on the midterms will not be -- the swing vote will probably flip the senate. democrats do not help the case. another tweet from this view are saying kavanaugh's appointment is forever tainted. the women who has been -- you have been assaulted and kept silent will speak with their vote. fair truly have a election, democrats will prepare. in topeka, kansas, the president said this, do you allow the wrong people

to get his office, things could change. -- if you allow the wrong people to get into office, things could change. we are not going to allow that to happen. [applause] it can change very fast. we cannot let that happen. hand matches to an arsonist. you do not give power to an angry, left wing mob. that is what they have become. host: the president last night in topeka, kansas. from longoining us island city, new york. caller: good morning. it is ashamed to say this. i think we are doomed as a country. i honestly feel it. we are becoming too tribal. i have voted republican most of my adult life. i cannot do it anymore.

they are so underhanded. rulesy they changed the with a 50 vote to confirm a supreme court justice is a sham and a shame. i feel that we are doomed as a country. i think we are going to break into states. it is too tribal. site.ot see any end in i think it is only going to get worse. host: mary is next. caller: good morning, sir. i do not like trump. i never liked him from the beginning, honey. term,gets in the second the swamp is going to go dry. he is trying to build his trump towers over there.

he is only using us. i do not like him. i never trusted him from the beginning. a lot of people do. that is their opinion. host: appreciate the call, mary. next is a viewer from miami beach, florida. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. think that -- i want to correct somebody. it was ripped from the democratic party in order to that obamaeft judges was sending to the white house. with only 50, they could do it.

it was not the republican party who changed it. differing ine a the midterm election. people are aware of george soros sending the disruption of the violent protesting. the big party -- using money from the global -- [indiscernible] disrupt like in the case of the nomination. host: thank you for the call. inside a photograph from usa today.com. the swearing-in with his wife

ashley and his two daughters. writing, kavanaugh's confirmation was not just a chance for republicans to shift the court to the right for what could be decades, it was also a test for how public officials responded to the raw emotion unleashed by the need to movement -- by the me too movement. he said the incident never happened. kenneth from augusta, georgia. republican line. caller: good morning. i am an old retired army sergeant major. if you want -- i went to tell you something. if you thought the sexual stuff going on there in the court, you want to see the u.s. army. there was women and congress and the senate -- the women in congress and the senate have absolutely destroyed the u.s.

army. you have people going to classes like old chinese red book classes. it is mandatory. everybody at fort gordon for years now go to their two-hour weekly indoctrination training to stop rape on post. you do not see anything written up. you do not see anything going on. the classes are mandatory. if he did not go, your career is over with. withve a problem now overweight people afraid to say anything because they are afraid to be charged with sexual harassment. they do not say anything. they distance themselves from soldiers so that they do not have to comment contact with them. host: thank you for the call. -- democrats had

this contest but they overplayed their hand. it is not so my step brett kavanaugh's confirmation will impact the midterm election but more like the shrill mob tactics used by the opposition that will remind republicans to vote. another tweet saying, who cares about the manipulations of the roles, republicans are the winter's. -- are the winners. the democrats have shown their true colors. people are leaving in droves. stephen is next from brooklyn, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. i have two comments. is, one thing that everyone can learn about this is that if someone has been sexually mistreated, they should come out right away. do not be afraid. there are people that can listen to you and show you the right way.

do not be ashamed. come out right away. it does not make sense to wait so many years. i understand why they waited, but now, with the whole thing happening, one thing people can learn from this is to come out right away. someone that is falsely accused of doing sexual misconduct is just as bad as someone being mixed -- someone being sexually mistreated. host: carol has this tweet. the democratic party is of hate and anger and nothing to offer american citizens. a longtime observer of the court confirming kavanaugh a triumph for conservatives and a blow to the court's image. he writes that the new majority is sure to move the law to the

right on deeply contested issues including abortion, affirmative action, voting, and gun rights. the victim will vary like -- the victory will very likely be a lasting one. the other conservative justices are young by supreme court justices. justice ginsburg is 85. justice stephen breyer is 80. there will be no swing justice in the mold of anthony kennedy, sandra day o'connor, or lewis how jr.. -- lewis powell jr.. the court will contest of two distinct blocks. the court in other words will reflect the deep polarization of the american public and the political system. shelley is joining us from oregon. democrats line. will all of this impact how you will vote? caller: i just want to say that the republicans did not even give merrick garlic -- merrick

garland a hearing. trump has a right to choose who he wants, but i do not like the way they do it because it seems to go against the law. i just want to say that i do not know how they get away with it. i have no idea. i do not like what they are saying about the democrats because they did what they could. anyway, but thank you. host: is fired up the republican base like no one has ever seen rights russell. thanks to the democrats for uniting the party three weeks before the midterms. on the independent line from madison berg, pennsylvania, steve is next. caller: mention has been made by members of congress where sexual harassment charges are being paid off by the taxpayers of this country. i would like to see that brought

forward. because and the reason why it is not is because some of them might be false. clearly. the second point being, if hearsay is entered into our jurisprudence, we can throw the whole business out. we are in a world of hurt to allow gosse -- if we allow gossip to rule the country. host: next is bill joining us from jacksonville, florida. caller: i have a question for you. mrs.not understand why ford, her second phone call should have been to charles grassley. if you do not want her name out or story to be told on national tv, sheiks -- he could've been -- she should have called the republicans. host: thank you, bill.

calvin is next from louisiana. caller: just to add to the comment, i was stationed at fort gordon does go years ago. we -- two years ago. there only two things that matter, right and wrong. what the democrats and the republicans did to both, ford and kavanaugh was ridiculous. is why weat -- that have checks and balances. it was there to neither one of them. -- it was fair to nine of -- to neither one of them. people are saying the man was guilty and there is no proof. i am a computer nerd for the army. i know thumbs -- i know some things is known but you cannot prove it. accusations kill people. like the sergeant said about our training. it is called sexual harassment prevention. what he said, if you do not go

to the training, your career is over with. host: thank you for the call. another tweet. kavanaugh's confirmation has -- democrats are desperate. -- the headline from the post, capital sworn in as supreme court justice. tomorrow is a holiday so we will -- that he will formally take his seat on tuesday. the ceremony will be happening tomorrow evening from the east room. place,he vote was taking marches and demonstrations taking place outside. this is what it looked like between the u.s. capitol and the steps of the u.s. supreme court. we will watch the scene as we listen to frank from maryland on the democrats line. caller: yes, sir. i want to respond to the sergeant concerned about his indoctrination about women. this is an aberdeen, maryland.

ago, there was another master sergeant who lived about a block away from a. every night, he came home crying coddleow he had to blacks and he did not use those words. it was about nine months until he got re-stationed. every night, you heard the same thing about you -- about how he was being forced to allow these essentially vermin to be in his outfit. we need to change how we relate to each other and accept each other. i do think that this is going to be a very contentious election on both sides. host: thank you for the call. john from springfield, ohio. republican line. caller: good morning.

i will be voting democrat next time. my call is about women or anybody who does not believe in what dr. ford recalled. i know a young woman. she was taken away from a laundromat and taken down an alley. i soon as she was away, police asked her where the raid took place. she did not take him to where the -- she could not take them so where the rape took place. they did go to the garage and found her clothes. the men were put in prison. she has been traumatized all her life for this. for the nonbelievers that do not believe mrs. ford, i hope you never ever know anyone who has gone through that -- or gone through that your medic experience. it is awful for that person.

thank you. host: john from springfield, ohio. to you and all the calls on the sunday morning the day after the confirmation of brent cobb and i'll. we will have to -- of brett kavanaugh. over the last year, the c-span bus has traveled to all 50 states. if you have been watching book tv, wemerican history went to continue that here on the western journal. just make alina is joining us -- jeff mikulina is joining us. guest: we are a public charity based in honolulu. we just turned 10 years old this year. our focus is narrow on clearing the path on clean energy.

we see hawaii as the perfect test bed for new policies and programs to help solve our crime us -- our climate problem. host: i'm going to ask a basic question to try to explain to your -- to our audience how the concept works. first, what is renewable energy? caller: that is the good news story here. we have an abundance of renewable energy from solar to wave energy. wind power, geothermal, pretty much you name it. is that that can be renewed. something that is replenished on a daily basis. unlike fossil fuels that are millions of years old and we dig up and burn and then carbon goes into the atmosphere. we have an abundance of renewable energy resources in hawaii. highest electricity prices and gasoline prices in the nation.

it makes good sense here in hawaii. it is increasingly making good sense across the country. that is what is exciting about this transition. host: with wave energy or wind energy, i am curious how you store that were captured that and use it -- or capture that and use it. guest: you just put your finger on the biggest challenge we face. we get wind when the wind blows, solar when the sunshine's. there are two things we need to do. one is to shift our loads around so it better coincides to when we have the renewable energy. the second thing is storage. there have been a lot of exciting things on that front. folks know that batteries in their phones and batteries in electric vehicles, things that can store that energy for later use in the evening when the sun goes down or overnight. even seasonal storage for periods of time when we do not have solar or wind for a number

of days. the cost is dropping tremendously. it is exciting to see the real growth. in hawaii one solar systems go in, they are typically installed with a battery or storage of some sort. host: your website says you want to be 100% clean energy by 2045. how do you get there? caller: that is a $30 million question. we were the first state in the nation to pass a law to require that the utility achieved letter percent renewable energy by a set date. ours is 2045. we can no longer claim we are the only state in the nation. last month, california signed similar legislation. it happens to be the same date, 2045. the race is on. we are working with other states to have them emulate the goal.

the question of how we get there, there are a lot of scenarios for how we can achieve that. what is exciting is when we first proposed the bill, people thought it was crazy. the utility said it was impossible. it moved from impossible to improbable. today, it is inevitable. the latest utility plan shows they can achieve 100% five years ahead of schedule at a cost billions below business as usual. it is going to be a mix of solar, wind, but we are staying open. we do not know what better technology can emerge to accelerate the timeline. host: on the east coast, a gallon of gas is on average anywhere between two dollars and -- how much is it in hawaii? caller: it is right around the four dollar mark. i am not totally familiar with what the gas price is driving a

biodiesel vehicle and electric vehicles that are not tied to the cost. host: are you seeing more of the vehicles that you are driving across the state? caller: we are. we are second in the nation for per capita a lecture vehicle ownership. and a mix of other vehicles as well. biodiesel for one that are manufactured locally. increasingly growing to produce the fuel. things such as mac and emea nuts -- macadamia nuts. host: because of where hawaii is positioned, is it unique in terms of what you can do with wind energy or can other states learn from the island state? caller: we think we are the perfect testbed. we have this abundance of every renewable energy source. the challenge here is more difficult.

states have what you might call a buffering capacity where they can share electricity with neighboring states. hawaii does not have that luxury. we have independent grids. each have to supply -- balance the supply independently. make sure we can keep the lights on by using renewable energy. that is where the lessons can be learned on how to do that instantaneously. across the country, there is different sources. you have hydroelectric and some places. a lot of wind across the midwest. solar across the southwest. it is those states tapping into the best resources. host: jeff m is joining us fromikulin honolulua -- jeff mik ulina is joining us from honolulu.

what are they doing right? caller: some of the states are just blessed with great natural resources. in the northwest, you have a lot of hydroelectric from the large rivers. some of the other states have excellent wind resource. it is tapping into those indigenous resources that are renewable. we like to point to iceland. they were renewable in the 1970's. they were able to get off carbon-based fuels decades ago because they relied on local power. state-by-state is going to be unique. host: california wants to follow the lead of hawaii and be dependent on clean power by 2045. how does it -- how does a state like california do that? caller: that is a great question. they are going to muddle through and figure it out. there has been some good

modeling done by experts at berkeley and other places looking at what the various scenarios could be. california will have no problem achieving 100% renewable clean energy. the two questions are, what does the cost look like? and the second important question is, how do we make sure we go together on this journey to 100% where no one gets left behind? it is important that as we take the steps towards clean energy that everyone can benefit from renewables. host: as he said, this initiative began in 2008. it includes a collaboration between the state and the department of energy to reduce hawaii's use of imported fossil fuels. the goal by the year 2045 to be one of your percent clean energy. explain the public and private partnership and what each stakeholder plays in this.

caller: in the early years of initiative, we have a republican governor back that. it was great to see a real bipartisan effort to move hawaii off of fossil fuel. that was in concert with president george bush. perhaps a different error -- a different era back then when there was a real collaboration between the two parties. there's been another interesting party in hawaii, that is the military. moving off of fossil fuels is key for the military for a variety of reasons. they brought a lot of great research. when the military says they want to do something, they move pretty quick. that is been beneficial -- that has been beneficial. companies are looking at hawaii as a place to invest. they see it as a good testbed. we have also benefited from that.

the most important piece is the community. in hawaii, folks have embraced this. they understand that renewable energy is the future. we have the most solar per capita. some 80,000 rooftops in hawaii that are essentially power plants. these are families that are powering their lifestyles through solar energy. it really changed the thinking of renewable energy from this abstract concept to something that keeps the lights on. host: we should point out the website is blue planet foundation.org. he is joining us from honolulu. how does somebody from the university of illinois and up in hawaii -- bnd up in a white? -- bnd up in hawaii? caller: we also much potential of hawaii being that leader on

energy and environmental issues. we found the foundation 10 years ago with the same theory of change that we can be a model for the globe. host: i want to go back to the economic model. is clean energy comparable to fuel? is that a higher cost to the consumer? caller: hawaii is on the cutting edge of the stuff or really a vanguard. our current electricity prices are between $.25 and $.30 and higher on the big island. we rely on imported fossil fuel. mostly oil. oil is up and down. it has always been up and down, but the projects going in today for solar. solar at night that is being stored in batteries is less than $.10. when you compare that to what we are paying for fossil fuel, it is a no-brainer. it is cheaper to put in solar

plus storage than to invest in any new fossil fuel power plant. what is exciting is when you couple that with clean transportation, it gets even cheaper. we have electric vehicles that can so that the solar. we have a sustainable system that is cheaper and more sustainable. host: when trying to achieve the goal, what is the biggest challenge? caller: this is going to sound like dodging the question, but it is our imagination. divisions -- deficiency of imagination is the biggest challenge we face. when we propose this, we were left out of the room. the governor of the time called me harry potter. we persisted. we built momentum. we built the campaign around it. now, it is inevitable. people accept it and embrace it. we cannot lose the imagination.

we face the most daunting challenge that we have ever had with civilization and climate change. now is not the time to think small. zero fossil fuel is the right goal for hawaii. it is the right goal across the nation and across the globe -- the globe. host: >> joining us the a skype from honolulu. thank you for being part of this. >> thank you. >> we are back tomorrow morning with washington journal. we are going to be talking what the political impact of the midterm elections and then we take a look into the process of confirmation hearings. a history of that process with carolyn shapiro from canton college of law at the university of chicago. that is tomorrow morning. newsmakers is coming up next. thank you for being part of our sunday. enjoy the rest of your weekend and have a great weekend.

♪ >> next, newsmakers with brian walsh, the president of the american first action pac. president trump speaks at a rally in topeka, kansas. and the vote to confirm brett kavanaugh for the supreme court. >> our guest is brian walsh. in april of 2017 he assumed the leadership of american first action pac, which is a pro-trump and pence super pac. with lots of attention going into the midterm elections. he brings 15 years of republican experience to the role. thank you for being our guest.