campaign 2018 coverage at 10:00 as republican john james, and iraq war veteran faces democratic incumbent debbie. this week on q&a, fox news host tucker carlson discusses his book "ship of fools: how a selfish ruling class is bringing america to the brink of revolution." >> tucker carlson, author of the book "ship of fools." tucker: mrs. raymond was my first grade teacher in california and the school year of 1975, 1976. she was the liberal archetype of

the time. blonde orwillowy, indian -- war indian peasant skirts with long wind chime hearings and she was a kind of political activist,/first-grade teacher and spent most of the her,trying to make us like liberals. a deeply resented this. grader i did not like having views forced down my throat. in retrospect, her politics have become my politics. the things that she cared a brow -- cared about, the struggle of four versus week, the environment in the most basic sense. is the water clean, basic environmental concerns. she loved animals, she thought the american indians were cool.

in the course of thinking through this book i was thinking of her and how few people like her still exist and how bewildering she might find the world now. who brian:eople claim to have the views she have or had are aligned with enormous corporations against the powerless. she was a metaphor for how inverted our politics were from the way they were when i was a kid. brian: i want to show you a close-up photograph of your , then go around as quickly as we can. it should be up there on that screen. you can see those folks. i just need a couple of lines from you on maxine waters. maxine waters is a congresswoman from los angeles whose district has gone from being overwhelmingly african-american, overwhelmingly hispanic, which is a window into the demographic change.

more than anything she is a describes whom race every problem and every answer to every problem. part of the argument i make in the book is that most racial debates are economic debates. the race question -- there is a history of racial sadness and a distraction of how the economy is portion. mitch mcconnell is the senate majority leader. evilld never argue an person but in some ways, the embodiment of the political establishment in washington. maybe an impediment to the true change we need. -- bazoeff basil spirit s. .ucker: a progressive activists his progressive activism is both a smokescreen behind which he hides and also what kind of

indulgent he pays to that activists left. brian: lindsey graham. smart, capable person but also one of the leading advocates for a thoroughly discredited foreign policy. it would be conservatism. brian: hillary clinton. tucker: opponent of donald trump. views ingo into her the book as i do into the attitudes that she embodies. basically, the key political problem we face now is that nobody is learning the lesson of the last election. there were lessons i think we need to learn. forsort of lead the charge ignoring those lessons in favor of ridiculous explanations, like russia. brian: mark sucker bird. tucker: founder of facebook -- mark zuckerberg. tucker: founder of facebook.

he would have gotten scrutiny from liberals for the way he conducted his business practices. he would be under attack for what his company has done to privacy in the u.s., but he is not because he is a member of a pretty small social class that makes all of the decisions. brian: nancy pelosi. , obviouslycy pelosi from house speaker, perhaps future house speaker. part of the democratic party that does not exist that will be swept away by the activists currently. my former boss at the weekly standard. one of the people in washington who never liked trump. i would say he was driven crazy by trump and wound up taking positions he never would have held were it not for trump. someone who is deeply threatened

by the existence of trump. in how sad case study you can be destroyed by this stuff if you let it. brian: in your introduction you say our leaders are fools, unaware that they are cap dings -- captains of a sinking ship. for twothey are fools reasons. they made a series of very large and catastrophic decisions. a lot of people make bad decisions, i have made bad decisions. that does not make you a fool, it makes you a human. when you refuse to acknowledge you made those decisions, and then further refused to learn from those mistakes and correct your behavior and readjust your theories, then you are a fool and should not be in charge of anything. the big questions of economic policies, social policies, the only questions that matter, they

have made it bad decisions that hurt the questions -- or the country. i supported a number of those decisions, but i am also not an idiot so i concede these decisions did not work out as advertised. rule.o not deserve to have: we think this may been your first appearance here on c-span in 1995. let's watch. tucker: i grew up in a town called la jolla, california. it is in san diego county. i left there to go to school back east and i went to school at connecticut in trinity college. i left there and moved to washington and got married and begun writing for a magazine at the heritage foundation. spent a couple years there and then went to little rock, arkansas to write editorial newspapers they are for a man named paul greenberg. i came back a year and a half ago to write a book on crime,

which i am just finishing up. in august i started working at the weekly standard in september of this year. brian: why did you get rid of that bowtie. tucker: i don't know, but i him get -- i am glad i quit smoking. i in both hung over and quit smoking. it is like every other year, i gained too much weight. ties -- i haveow worn them all my life. in high school we had a dress code, and then i wore them until 2006. i gave them up because people always mocked me. it is ap -- a deeply provocative piece of net where. somebody said to me, did your agent suggest for you to wear that. it was like an advertisement gimmick or something. i gave them up after that. brian: why did you write this

book? tucker: because i really meant it. it is the only book on the market that is not about trump. it is indefatigably not about trump. it is about why we elected trump. i could not get past the idea that the country voted for donald trump. it is not an attack on trump. is right onhink he a bunch of different things, but you would not elect trump unless you really, really wanted to send a message. happy countries don't elect trump, desperate ones do. sides, all of them hated him, they screwed up. if your wife friends off with the mailman, you go through a series of grief stages. shock, what anger, in unfaithful person.

if you are a smart person then maybe you say i was not a best husband. it is hurtful, but why would she do that? maybe i made mistakes. maybe if i want to get married again i should stop making those mistakes. this is what normal people do when something unexpected happens. nobody i personally know spent two seconds thinking about this. it was, the russians did it. first year, but they made up these ludicrous explanations. these fantasies that were forgned as palliative's themselves. for them to avoid responsibility for what happened, feel better about themselves, and transfer the rage into aggression. i thought, if one of my kids got , i wouldt of school understand if they spent the first week saying, i only got

caught drinking once or whatever. but if my kids said, i did not take it seriously enough and played a role in this disaster, i would spank them. brian: how old are your kids? tucker: my oldest will be 24. my second was born when i first did your show. my second is 21. my third is 19 and my fourth is 16. one works at a television network in new york. brian: which one. tucker: chatter. network.treaming my second is a college senior. my third is a college freshman. they all went to the same schools. my fourth is a sophomore at the high school that the others went to. brian: do they go to a private school? tucker: they all went to boarding school as my wife and i did. they all went to college

together. they are definitely close. brian: which college. tucker: a college not that far from here. i cannot say, but they all did well in school. better than i did. i did not get into any colleges. i got into college because my girlfriend was at the board of a college. not a great college. they are my wife pretty on top of stuff. harvard.went to they went back to their own college, which is uva. they like it. that is my harvard joke. i was at harvard for an afternoon. brian: i want to show you video of harvard kagan. fred's wife kimberly, his father donald. lets see 42 seconds of robert kagan in this year 2018.

>> we already see signs that democracy is not enjoying the kind of support that it once enjoyed around the world. we already see the return of geopolitics. in the united states we seen the return of protectionist dependencies. if the united states is not in the business of supporting that order, then all elements that we have enjoyed will gradually go --y and the world rolled world will return to normal. we have the idea that what we have now is normal but that is not true. normal looks like the early part of the 20th century and the 19th century and all previous centuries. brian: i want to read from your book. kagan always struck me as crystal, meaning bill kristol, and that both were products of academia. the main difference was that kagan was dumber and less

charming. crystal came off as burial site -- came off as ordained. he seem like an aging linebacker with a history of concussions. rather than make his case, kagan increased his volume. he yelled and stormed off. i always thought he was an idiot. not that it slowed him down in washington. i have to say, this is the most apprising couple paragraphs. i have always believed in -- i like the beads. i have a debate show. benefitthat we all from, and i have always enjoyed hashing things out. what happens if we do that and what about this? kristol would entertain debate. there are always things that people don't want to debate but he would.

kagan would always take the view. i was hardly a critic of , but iervatism in 1998 was interested because i did not fully understand. why are we so worried about russia still? not that i am on russia's side. he would say -- i am not carrying water, it is a question. are there other things we should focus on? you don't understand, shut up. i always thought he is far from the only person who built -- who behaves like that. if you find yourself going immediately to motive with someone you disagree with, maybe you're not examining your own assumptions very thoroughly and may that is a way of avoiding hard questions that you are not answering. it was really noticeable. really noticeable.

then i just watched over the years. that clip is a perfect example. invalid andumber of important parts. -- points. ourway we have lived for entire lives is not a representative of how people have lived. it aligns over other questions that are even more fundamental, which is, why are we doing the things we are doing? if you were here, one of the first questions i would ask him is, what is the point of nato. i am not against disbanding nato. against wasting anything that took a lot to build. i am not for destroying things whatut thinking through they were used for. you have to have a clear sense of why something exists. what was the point of nato? it was designed to keep the soviets from invading western

europe. ofyou ask the question what's its purpose, people tend to be very threat and. rather -- threatened. rather than answering it it's, whose team are you on? if you attack the person answering the question rather than answering the question, what are you saying? brian: how long did you think about calling him an idiot? tucker: i should have thought of it. there were definitely things in the book where i had -- because i lived here my whole adult life i catty things to say that took them out. i did not take that out. abi should have. i don't know that it helps make eye case anymore strongly, but i did feel strongly. show used to belong to

bill o'reilly. here you are on fox network on 2003. tucker: there is a deep phoniness. there is this perception that he is the character he portrays. he is not white ring -- white righthe is a populist -- wing, he is a populist. i am saying, the moment it is revealed not to be true, it is over. the moment he gets caught slapping a flight attendant for not bringing his champagne fast enough, or parking ticket the --wn eminence -- the brown or parking to get the brown m&ms out of his bowl, it is over. 15 years ago. are you surprised you are in his slot right now? tucker: like most people i assume it will be a.

i assumetion -- tomorrow will be a pure extrapolation of today. he did not attack me, i attacked him out of no more. i try not to do that anymore. kagan,did it with bob but i try not to pick fights when it is not necessary with people who are much more powerful than i am. that i was never friends with o'reilly, he never liked me because of that, i think. i definitely respect what he did in a way that i did not. i tried to do it myself. a very hard job. you can go crazy in the job. a lot of people do. o'reilly was a tough person in a good way and a very skilled

broadcaster. naturally, probably in a way i am not. . apologize to him for that i always felt bad about it. we take the lights in our home for granted. but if you had to wire a house you just manually, you would look at an electrician another way. atmanually, you would look an electrician another way. that is the nature of talking a lot. brian: when you get home after a show what does your wife say to you? meker: she is really nice to when i get home, which is probably why i have not gone crazy yet. ever,er talk politics, ever. i have been with her since i was 15. she is not that interested.

brian: does she want you at night? tucker: she does. and she has never watched because the kids are at home. now our youngest is gone. she does watch and she texts me throughout the show, which i am because it is hilarious. our views are aligned on pretty much everything. of trouble being criticized by my wife because she is one of the few people whose criticism i take seriously. some of it is deserved and some is not, but if you let it bother you you will go crazy. brian: what did she say to you? tucker: i say to her, you are one of threes people -- three -- threeho opinion people whose opinion i care about. she would say i understand why you got mad.

she said i don't think it looks great to get mad on television. stormy daniels lawyer. brian: what did you call him? did he know that was coming? himer: i have always called that. he was mad i called him that. it is interesting. you really get a sense of people. the experience that happens to me most is that i in leading about someone all day long. you really have a site picture of the person. often it matches the experience of being with the person. sometimes it really does not. once a week i will have someone on. i know exactly who this person is and then at the end of the first sentence i know i was wrong. i get a strong feeling from people. all the time -- i just had one were i thought this is ridiculous.

lawmakern comes on, a and i instantly liked her. i really got the sense, and i always trust my gut instinct on people, that she was trying to do the right thing and reaching a very different conclusion from mine. she was sincere and i liked her. i was nice to her. the opposite happens when you think you like someone or agree with the person and you get a sinister vibe. brian: there is a famous moment in your life from 2004. the actual date i don't have. it is 17 seconds. 35.er: >> you wear a bow tie. i do think you are more fun on your show. you're a bigger stick -- your a did on your show as you are in any show. brian: what was it like?

in my defense i have never described that description because it is true. i try not to be. i work in cable news so of course i am. whatever. it was completely surprising. i did not see it coming, i was not prepared at all. that is not the segment i thought we were doing. it was 100% my fault, but i did not understand his criticism. if the criticism was you are a jerk, yeah, that is true. but his criticism was that i suck up to politicians. of all my many sins that has never been one of them. i don't think debate hurts america. screaming at people and being unfair hurts america, but i

don't think asking people to explain what it means has anything wrong with it. brian: there was a guest on the are show in 2017, his name was max and you talk about him in your book. tucker: i him merely thing. saying you have been consistently wrong. you sort of wonder maybe you should choose another profession. something you are good at. to hold upbe happy my record of foreign policy against yours. war andorted the iran then when it went back you opposed it. brian: was he right? tucker: absolutely. brian: why did you flip>? -- flip? tucker: because i went to iraq. the editor of the new yorker and then of the atlanta washington

post columnist was killed. -- atlantic washington post columnist was killed. i wanted to go see that and i had other things to do. i was really surprised by it and came to all kinds of realizations that basically contorted with my previous instincts, which i ignored because i got sucked into the partisan nonsense around that war. i would say there was a point at which i lacked moral courage. that is true. that is when i allowed myself to be manipulated because i lacked moral courage into supporting what i sensed was a bad idea. he for the war went south i gave an interview to the new york times and said i cannot believe i supported that. clear, thecompletely

number of things i have been wrong about -- i could've written a book on that. i was like a fervent death penalty supporter. i cannot even imagine that now. i was pro-choice. i have had so many dumb ideas that i talked myself into over the years that i find totally repugnant. america has changed a lot since i was a kid and so has my views. max is a perfect example. it is not that he is the wrong person andngest washington, but that he keeps being referred to as a foreign-policy expert when it is actually ludicrous. i include in the book a list of -- i don't want to be mean to max -- brian: his own problems? tucker: if you are calling for the invasion of 19 different countries, what is going on with you?

he keeps getting hired. and the lastlder three houses i built collapsed on the occupants and the right, could not beean i a great hospital administrator or opera singer. brian: why are you so tough on chelsea clinton? not tough on chelsea clinton, i am tough on the class of people that produced or and that she symbolizes? one of the realizations i have had -- i am not the son of coal miners, i am not the voice of the working class. ofm a fairly close observer the class from which chelsea clinton comes because i have lived around it my whole life. i am not a radical populist. my instincts are probably elitist. it is one of the things i have realized watching america for

the past, almost 50 years, a lot of the pretense is false. there are some elements to the game that are absolutely rigged, especially the schools. harvard iseve that taking the most impressive kids in america every year, i want to believe that in the evidence is overwhelming. not the entire system, but parts of it are rigged. what bothers me is this self righteousness that one encounters from the product of the system who act as if everything they have is a product of their brilliance and .ard work and wise choices as i get older i realize how much of my own life had nothing to do with me.

i started making good money pretty young. one of the mistakes i made was thinking i was really talented. i was not that talented. i was lazy and a lot of ways. forook a couple of firings me to realize. that leftd from msnbc me with no money and i had four kids in school and i had to think about how i got here. ,ne of the things i realize was my success itself was not deserved, it was right place, right time. i began to rethink my assumptions about cause and effect. that we are the product of our choices, what about the girl and our fifth grade class who died of leukemia? was at the product of her choices? no. there are a lot of big things that happened that we have no control. becausered from msnbc

the format changed. i was part of their strategic attempt to become a pepsi to the coke. i was lead anchor on the channel and it did not do that well. it was not a huge success. they decided that when they went left they got huge numbers and they decided to become a liberal channel. ofan: there is a 2006 clip you and somebody will recognize. tucker: i am in no way comparing -- i am not. >> i am not comparing this. tucker: it is incredible. i literally expected him to say hillary at the end. every single line as like i have heard it all before. how did she get the new york times is my question? , the guy wholaden attacked us and kill thousands of americans threatens america

msnbc with chris matthews and tucker carlson, that is an occasion to pile on ted kennedy. tucker: i like her so much. to debate. she is fast and genuinely smart and nimble. there are people who have a script. you can pick a name out of the phone book and throw it at her .nd she is cap like -- cat like she is a great pleasure to do shows with. i don't agree with her conclusions, obviously, but i have always liked rachael mad dow. she got my spot when i left and has done amazing things with it. good for her. i never begrudge her success.

you start to realize that it is a combination of good decisions, but also good luck. or bad decisions and bad but, were a combination of the two. but the people who have it more deserve it than anybody else is insane. generations of rich people, of our ruling class understood that. ,t was tempered by christianity or whatever their faith was. it was tempered by the understanding that they are not fully responsible so they have a debt to the less fortunate. less fortunate. people in charge believe they are more successful because they are better. youou really believe that, have all kinds of pretty unattractive attitudes about the rest of your country. this is very common in a lot of places throughout history. the ruling classes felt that way. it does not work in a democracy.

the new ingredient in this recipe is democracy. every person is equal in their political power. what do you say that the people who suggest on your new showed that it is a made up formula that they figure out what that audience out there wants and you play to that. producers say, if we keep talking about this issue, if you find something not nearlythey are as good as a debater as you are, bring them in and chew them up. tucker: there are a million criticisms i think you can level at me and all of them i agree with. there is never any input from management. rupert murdoch is a newspaper guy. with theisher not

editorial product. he wants you to do your thing. i have never had any input from the channel on content. brian: how many people work with you every day? tucker: i don't even understand. brian: i am talking about content not substance. tucker: 15, maybe. brian: who decides who will be on? icker: every morning at 10:30 get a distillation of a lot of news put together by the producers. stories.ad a lot of some of them are long-term projects of china put -- trying to book this person or that person. 11:15-11:30,by then the bookers get on and put

those people. and work and home then i usually get in around 4:30. we have a writer. i tried to write. often, like last night and the i did not send it to my producers until a little after 7:00 for an 8:00 p.m. live read. they are very nimble. formula, there is no formula and that is what i am interested in. one, we have really tried to not have a formula and to do things that are not conventional fox stories. history ofong supporting american military action no matter where it is, under any circumstances. we have taken the opposite

position, pretty aggressively. max has done fox for 20 years calling for the invasion, ira jekyll that completely. i thought our viewers would be offended -- invasion, i have rejected that completely. i thought our viewers would be offended but they are not. we have a big platform, it is a highly rated show, it is emotional. don't beat up on people who are weaker. i think of this every single day. as you pick opponents on television, pick the big ones. like google or the government of china. you can crush people. i have done it on tv. look at this person, you show a picture. is it really worth it? brian: have you had anybody walk off the set? this show? tucker: you know who did that,

he was a nice man. richard simmons. the exercise guru. he could not be a nicer guy, smart and interesting guy. another one of those people who you have no idea what they are like until you meet him. he is not a buffoon, he is really interesting and strange and nice. slapped some guy in the face in an airport for making fun of him. i asked him about it and he stopped and went like this and rolled down, a tear his cheek. he slowly took off his microphone, stood up and walked off stage. he completely took control of the show. i don't know what happened. the right back. my cameraman, a big biker guy with sleeve tattoos. why were you mean to richard?

i said, i did not mean to be mean to him. it was really a moment. that is the only person. brian: i have heard people say, did you see tucker's show last night? why did that person go on their? he chewed them up and spit them out. does anybody ever say they will never do that show again? , i have done it for so long that it is possible -- it is certain i am less sensitive than some people for sure. what is rough to someone does not seem rough to me. i cannot think of anybody. we have a lot of people who come back. the booker will call me and say

we are trying to put this person. it always is live. will you call him and reassure him ? i always do the same thing and it works 100% of the time. you tell them what the questions are. then, when you come on the air you ask those questions. there is no trickery, i am on five nights a week. i can leave things in the air, i can do what ever i want. i do want to crush people. get mad i can bh are jerk and i try not to get mad. the only times i have gotten mad is when i don't expect it. and someone comes at me that is when my wife says, you should not do that. brian: when do you see the audience? -- when do you see

the numbers for the audience? tucker: 4:30. i don't want to be a -- to be obsessed with them. our audio guy, tony white gets the numbers and sends them to me. you cannot make all your decisions. for a longn around time and my views are basically consistent with the views of our audience. there are some things that i just don't agree with. brian: would you call yourself a journalist? tucker: i don't really want to anymore. brian: why? tucker: it doesn't seem like a very honorable business. a lot of people call themselves journalists. i will say this, my instincts are what i grew up with. my instincts are always to watch

and assess and not participate. policyno desire to make for anybody or be in charge of anything. i just want to understand how things work. i want to say what i think, that is important to me. i want to be able to voice my opinion, it is a catharsis for me. i want to talk to people because i like people. i want to know why things are happening without participating in them. i could work in government. the bar for policymaking is pretty low. get a job as ay policy, but i don't want that. if i wanted it i could do it. my nature is journalistic in that i just want to watch. brian: you talk about him in the book. -- let's watch. >> if you own a business that attempts to keep lack people from renting from you -- black

people from renting from you. -- someoneyou don't cannot judge your case because they are mexican/ . if your response to the first black president was not born in this country despite proof. if you demand to see their grades from harvard law school. if that is the absence of your -- essence of your political ability you are a white supremacist. can make arguments for george bush's policies and how they affect black people in a negative way, that i would not argue that he is a white supremacist. donald trump is a specific thing and there is quite a bit of evidence to back it up. tucker: i was not offended by that. brian: in your book you say his most enthusiastic fans are effluent white professionals who

live in coastal cities. tucker: the problem that i have with him is not what he said. i don't think it was crazy what he said. that is his point of view. autobiography, there are -- not sprinkled throughout but on virtually every page -- flat out attacks on people on the basis of their skin color. that is the definition of racism. i have read five reviews of this book, because i read a lot of magazines and i remember going, what? you're allowed to call white people a cancer on the world? i don't know if you can make that case. you cannot argue that a group of people by virtue of their really --keup is more is morally inferior to any other

group. that is the definition of racism. you begin toite, wonder if there is some ink psychologically -- something psychologically wrong with coates. tucker: you know what the real problem is, polynesians, every one of them -- you would be like, what, i don't know. of course there are bad polynesians and good ones. a person's character is not defined by whether he is polynesian or not. that assumption is poison. the most important thing about you is your race. that is why i began to conclude that i am a liberal. i grew up around liberals who made that case consistently. you are not the sum total of your jeans -- genes. once we start thinking people are terrible things can happen. here you have a guy at the very some -- very center of american this is a book-

on the new york times bestsellers list.it was reviewed by a bunch of people i know. it is unbelievable. what does that say about our elites? i don't know why you would ever encourage or tolerate -- coates was making the case on television. the one i do agree with him on is that trump saying he should not be tried by a judge because of his hispanic heritage. you cannot say that, that is terrible. you are saying the most important thing about the judge is his race. i completely reject that. but if you say i completely reject that, you are a racist. it really is love is hate, war is peace. i am not moving from that position.

i have always felt that way. i am sure i have fallen short. i don't want to say i'm some superior moral being. brian: you had a segment on samantha bee. tucker: she is a comedy central alum who has a weekly show on television, like a comedy show but now a political show that is kind of everything i dislike about the modern moment in that it is, basically a sermon posing as crypto political comedy. episcopalian. i have a very low tolerance for that. i don't mind getting -- people getting red in the face mac, but what i don't like is political

debates that begin with the assumption that i him saved and you are damned. brian: one reason that rich children would rather not have their kids go to school with minorities. what is that about ? tucker: i -- about? tucker: i am constantly hearing this. person being dismissed as a racist or white supremacist. diversity is our only strength. what ever that means. the point that they are making is i am a good person, you are not, shut up and obey. it is the wrong way to conduct politics. for,diversity that you are are you living it? in thesomeone who lives district of columbia that has demographically been unchanged wonder if1960's, you

you are so for this then why aren't you living it? my thing i have learned from kids is that they do not pay any attention to what you say. they are not listening, they are like your dogs. all they do is watch what you do. if you say don't smoke cigarettes, they are terrible for you, your kids will smoke. if you want to know what people feel about diversity, check out their zip codes. do -- brian: do your kids watch you? tucker: i don't talk about politics with my kids. we never talk about politics. brian: what do you talk about? tucker: life. what they are doing. people. my children don't like politics. havenk a couple of them strong political views, i am not exactly sure what they are. one of them agrees with me sort of.

i have never talked with my kids about politics and they see it as a 30 and unhappy thing. people who live here -- dirty and unhappy thing. they grew up in a neighborhood where most people disagreed with me but they -- but we were all friends. brian: back to samantha bee. 171.is a paragraph on page how did they respond to the diversityncrease in with rage and affiants, "we were sad to learn that there are not a lot of african-americans live . but wepper west side chose to move to this place because we put the quality of the education at a higher level." in other words he lifted her because it is not very diverse. explain that part of the book. pierce i am trying to

the veil that surrounds these people. state very clearly. i think you ought to do what is best for your kids, period. that is every parent's top priority. this is exactly the group that lectures the rest of the country about how they are putting their kids well-being above abstract ideals like diversity, whatever that is. these are people calling you racist but they are very annoyed by the idea of diversity at their own kids school because they perceive that detracts from academic excellence. whatever, if you are saying i have a lot of problems with our immigration system, not because i am opposed to immigration, a think you ought to think about it.

if you say that it is all of the sudden shut up racist. there are racial questions we should talk about. not everything is race. some things are non-racial and economic. they will say you just like diversity. let's talk about where you live and where your kids go to school. what are you talking about? or theart of the theme people who most self righteously demand you do x, y or z don't do that. if you are attacking me as a bad person for not being a vegetarian while eating a steak, i think i should be allowed to ask what it is about. freezethere was a foster money? has it worked? tucker: for the last two years i

have had no contact with it. brian: if they put something on their everyday from the night before? tucker: yes. it is spelled out in my contract that i cannot have any role in running it. i don't the guy have time. my college roommate and best friend runs it and i think he is more capable than i am. underk it has thrived him. i don't think he wanted that job. he is not a journalist, he is a policy guy any business person who is very successful. i managed that he had to manage the newsroom. brian: does it make money? tucker: yes. we are a full profit business. we don't have donors keeping it afloat. brian: what do you think the biggest impact of the daily caller website is today?

tucker: it is funny, so much is not being covered. i would hope that the daily caller is filling the holes. not just helping people engage in battles, but filling the holes were other coverage is. trump has taken up all the attention, which is fine with him and find with the people at most news organizations. many stories are variations of the same story which is, can you believe what trump has done. a lot is changing, tick knowledge he is changing. it will completely remake our economy. that would be the subject of a lot of reporting. i think the daily caller is on some of that. adding to the sum total of information to the world. that and i love

the people who work there. a lot of our employees have gone on to work at other news organizations. most of them are pretty liberal but do good work. we let people sleep in the office. we always had free beer and pop tarts. there were some side benefits. experience and i am in touch with everyone who has ever worked there. hundreds of people work there and i still talk to a lot of them. brian: this is one of those questions that you answer anyway you want to. happen inu think will the 2020 election? just based on a broad overview. what do you think the change will be based on the four years of donald trump? ,ucker: worst-case scenario

none of the questions that his election race will be answered and the middle class will continue to shrink and divide between the people who are and everyone else will grow. and it will continue to ignore actual threats to our security, like china. tech companies will have greater control over information and our ability to communicate with each other. that is not a good path. brian: will he get reelected? i know it is really early. tucker: the only way he gets reelected as if the left keeps on this course. if they keep screaming at people they disagree with and restaurants. that. are not for i have a million liberal friends, they are appalled by that. the democratic party could easily win.

trump has never been above 50, why wouldn't they went? they need to articulate a clear economic program for the country. they have 80 years of practice doing that. i do not agree with her economic abuse but it was a party about economic values for generations. some ofagain and get the crazies under control. like the angry rich kids who are yelling at people and restaurants. tell them to settle down. brian: the book cover looks like this. , "ship of fools: how a selfish ruling class is bringing america to the brink of revolution." thank you for joining us. tucker: thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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across the country on our 50 capitals four. we recently stopped in columbus, ohio. looking forward to the november elections, we >> i believe congress should remain in republican hands after this election. a couple reasons for this. possibly the largest one is, it's been stated that if the democratic party takes control, they will go out of their way to stymie any of the presidents legislation. pass, i thinkn to we need a congress that stands ifind the president, even it's pushing through some of his less thought-out ideas. >> i want to see the democrats controlled congress and the senate. i think it's long overdue to remove trump. he seems to et