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this week. president trump touring the extensive damage from california wildfires. that is our starting point. we want to ask you about the investigation and whether congress needs to weigh in. should congress passed legislation to protect robert mueller and his investigation? , that is our line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. if you are in independent, (202) 748-8002. thank you for being with us. send us a tweet, or on facebook. the hill newspaper has this andline, mcconnell schumer clash -- flake clash. mcconnell and flake clash during a closed-door lunch meeting over

legislation to protect special counsel robert mueller. toonnell pressured flake back off his strategy of blocking judicial nominees. heels and makes clear he is not going to budge. according to senators who witnessed the argument, it is a standoff in the fight reflects a larger divide in the gop conference. senator flake to the floor, pushing legislation along with chris coons of colorado to protect robert mueller legislation. [video clip] >> mr. mueller has been accused without basis in fact of in hising a witchhunt current investigation by none other than the president of the united states.

i would like to take this opportunity to say a few words about what special counsel mueller and his team have been investigating and why. the point of this vital investigation seems to have been purposefully confused by the white house in an alarming way. my colleague from delaware, senator cowan's and i have made the unanimous consent west to bring this to -- request to bring this to the floor. it has been objected to already. this bill is designed to check integrity of the special counsel investigation and spare from any influence or interference from the executive branch, including those who may be subjects of that investigation. this is vital to the security of

this country. in america, as we all know, no one is above the law. our doctrine of separation of powers in the independence of the judicial system is what sets us apart from lawless countries. presidents do not get to determine who gets investigated and who and what does not. host: the comments of arizona senator jeff flake on the senate or wednesday. should congress passed legislation to protect robert mueller? clint is joining us, republican line. good morning. surveilled the trump campaign. hillary clinton was exonerated before she was interviewed. how can you divide her intent without interviewing? the former fbi director is up on

charge. dossierhopped the around d.c. he lied about it. he lied about it to your audience. it is established fact. you know all these things. c-span those all these things. the washington post and new york times knows. everyone that calls in will not be able to deny these things. it is a total witchhunt. c-span, you are up to your eyeballs in it. you look exactly like cnn. you should be ashamed of yourself you have lost your soul. idea whatt, i have no you're talking about the book before is yours, so go ahead -- but the forum is yours, so go ahead and explain. caller: there is nothing to explain. c-span knows it.

you must have devoted 100 washington journals devoted to this ridiculous topic. host: let me stop you there. you can have the last word. we are asking the question because the republican senator went to the senate floor with a democratic senator calling for legislation to protect robert mueller. we are asking you should congress passed legislation. you are expressing your point of view. that is all we are doing this morning. caller: thank you. that is fair enough. it is very petty politics that happened on the senate or. c-span looks like cnn. host: i will agree to disagree. thank you for calling. gloria, democrats lack of ohio. -- line, ohio. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i'm great.

how are you? caller: i'm good. i can't believe i got in. i love the idea that c-span and cnn and everybody is taking care of america. not asr hillary did is continue isp is doing. i am blessed. and c-span and all of you guys. keep up the work. host: thank you. graham calling a mueller firing a manufactured problem. trump will not hire him. on twitter, congress does not have the power to stop donald trump if he wishes to fire anyone under the control of the executive branch.

joe is next from brownsville, texas. good morning. republicans -- on the senate, they voted for this person to investigate. if they have nothing to hide, let it be. the truth is going to come out. host: thank you. we will go to robin next. democrats line. caller: if you notice, the republicans have the biggest problem with the truth. all c-span does is show the truth. they show the truth all day and all night. they don't even want to agree with that. trump told him not to believe what their eyes see or their -- ears hear. they fell for it. pass something because he is going to turn

around and fire him. that is the reason they got swept out of power last week. they refuse to provide a check and balance against the president. it makes me think they are all going to get caught up in it. there are several of them that are going to get caught up in it. the nra is caught up in it. they need to protect mueller because he is going to take a lot of republicans down. host: thank you for the call. from the usa today, this editorial that mark whitaker will break public trust and oversees thef he mueller investigation. he must recuse from the mueller investigation to make clear he will preserve the constitution and not trump's personal agenda. next from virginia, democrats line. should congress passed

legislation to protect robert mueller and his investigation? caller: absolutely. sometimes when people criticize, they are not watching as much c-span as i do. you guys are class actors. one of the proudest things america has. i am really upset about this. i think he should be censored as a leader for not following the constitution. there is something there. he has a wife that works in the administration. he has to take himself out of when all the people behind him are saying let's do this. his job is to do it. he is representing the american people. when you become speaker, you're supposed to look out after the nation's interest, not your personal interest. for the call.u nbc news has taken a look back

at the robert mueller investigation and some of the major events involved in his investigation, beginning with october 20, 2017. paul manafort and rick gates are indicted. in february, robert mueller indicts 13 russians and three companies. thepril, the fbi raids offices and homes of michael cohen. indicts robert mueller 12 russian officials for hacking the dnc. in august of this year, michael cohen pleads guilty. the same day, the jury finds paul manafort guilty on eight counts. manafortber, paul agreeing to plead guilty and cooperate in the mueller investigation. republican line, mark. good morning. caller: how are you doing?

host: i'm fine. how are you? caller: i'm fine. i think legislation should be passed to protect robert mueller's investigation. donald trump is so heavy-handed does this, what he country needs to get to the bottom of what is going on. host: thank you for the call. let's go to anthony. he is next on the republican line. caller: good morning. it has been about two years into scam, probe, hoax, whatever you want to call it. if i was drunk, -- trump, i would end this a long time ago. two years after everything hillary clinton has done and everything is crooked and he is a crony of the clinton camp. this has been a scam from day

one. it is baloney. coming toyears, it is an end. he is answering questions. there is nothing there. donald trump financed his own campaign. if the russians would have helped him, he probably would not have won. hillary would have won. she is the one that was pushing the reset button over there. this is baloney. i say go trump. trump is right for this country. if you don't like this country, go to another country. trump is doing what is right for america. have a good day. host: the last half hour, we will be asking a question about hillary clinton because of a wall street journal op-ed saying that hillary clinton will run in 2020. more from president trump, asked about the mueller investigation

this we get the white house. [video clip] >> my lawyers are not working on that. i am working on that. i write the answers. my lawyers don't right answers. i write answers. i answer them very easily. i am sure they are tricked up. they like to catch people. was the weather sunny or rainy? he said it may have been a good day, but it was raining. therefore he perjured himself. you always have to be careful when you answer questions of people that probably have bad intentions. routinelyons were answered by me. ok. >> you submitted the -- >> i have not submitted them. we have been a little busy. we have been in europe. have been working on various steels. -- deals.

we just finished the usmca. that is one of the great trade deals. you can see how happy are farmers -- our farmers are. they took a long time. they were very easy to do. you need lawyers to go over some of the answers, but they are not very difficult questions. host: that from the president this week. this fromewspaper has senator chuck grassley. the mueller protection bill should get a vote. tweet from kevin saying the bill to protect mueller does not pretend to prevent president trump from firing him but lays out a path for judicial review. that is in response.

david saying looking for a special prosecutor to present incontrovertible evidence of which evenering donald trump supporters will need to accept as fact. i thought when mitch mcconnell and paul ryan decided to block forything obama was elected was treason. obama tried to warn us. gop stopped in. republican line from florida, thank you for waiting. caller: how are you doing? i think the man that laid out with thethat you side mueller investigation and the democrats is very evident. the reason i say this is because what you just read about the charges, the indictments about wasn and the other fellas

nothing to do with the russian probe. personal finance charge cohen was indicted for. the other man, the head of his campaign, nothing in comparison to trump. why did you even read that stuff? one other thing, aren't you the thethat used to put saturday night live clips on, and they were always anti-trump? at the same time, what do you think about the last clip they did about the war hero that had his eye put out? do you think saturday night live is still great? last question, i think you are in for to have a call once only because you did that over a month ago about black callers only.

what is that all about? if that is not a left-wing dispersal of information, nothing is. i have to say to you that i people that ever since brian lamb left, you have moved generally in the direction of the left-wing. that is my opinion. thank you very much. host: first of all, brian lamb has not left. he is still here. his program airs every sunday evening, called q&a. we divide the phone lines up during the course of our three-hour program because we want to hear from different points of view. all of our coverage available on our website c-span.org. we welcome opinions, good, bad, and different. i would agree to disagree that there is no agenda here. what we're trying to do is hear from all points of view.

we just showed president trump. we were just highlighting some of the major events that resulted in robert mueller's investigation. when i read the point about paul manafort, i said it was because of his personal finances. there have been some connections to russia as part of this investigation. the final report should come potentially this week or early next month. let's go to mike, joining us from new york. good morning, independent line. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i'm great. how are you? caller: i'm great. i disagree with the last caller. i think the special counsel should be totally protected. donald trump -- i am from new york. i have known him my entire life. this guy is nothing but a con man. if we get another president like this man, we are in deep trouble in this country. we are already starting.

anyways, i am not going to pretend i know everything like everything. what i will say is there are some good points. we have elected a sexual and admitted sexual predator and pedophile. if he carries to tax in his pocket, there's is one thing to say about his head, he is crazy. god bless everybody. the earth is power. host: thank you. democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to say i am a democrat, liberal, and proud of it. out of it. -- proud of it. i want to read a quick memo. it is proper, constitutional, and legal for a federal grand jury to indict a sitting president for serious criminal acts that are not part of and

are contrary to the president's it official duty in this country. no one, even president clinton is above the law. you know who wrote that? kenneth starr, the special counsel who investigated the clintons. thank you very much. host: thank you for the call. let's go to tony in florida. republican line. good morning. thatr: i just want to say i'm afraid trump is going to make the same mistake nixon did. just look at history. i am afraid it is going to happen, the same thing if he fires mueller. host: this is from george. matthew whitaker is nothing but an unqualified political hack that trump chose to kill the mueller investigation. mueller needs congressional protection. the senate republican leader

mitch mcconnell was asked about the mueller investigation and congressional action. [video clip] >> in the past you said that legislation to protect the special counsel was not necessary, has your view changed? >> no. there has been no indication. i talked to the present fairly often. indicationeen no that the mueller investigation will not be allowed to finish. it should be allowed to finish. we know how the president feels about the investigation, but he has never said he wants to shut it down. i have never heard anyone down there say they want to shut it down. i don't think it is in any danger. i don't think legislation is necessary. host: congress is in recess. we welcome our viewers on c-span radio and sirius xm. do you think the house and senate needs to pass legislation to protect robert mueller.

janet is joining us, democrats line. caller: good morning. thank you, c-span. i agree he should be protected because all these trump mueller getshen through with all of his investigation, it is all going to come out that trump is going to surprise a lot of people because he knows what he is doing, or thinks he does. he is crooked. that is all i have to say. host: thank you for the call. the president with this tweet, the inner workings of the mueller investigation are a total mess. they have found no collusion. they are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with answers they want. they are a disgrace. think, -- to say, i that is the end of it. let's go to michael in new york. independent line.

caller: good morning. i would like to see mr. mueller protected because it is for the investigation. things thatlot of are being uncovered, like donald trump's tax returns. his tax returns will tell the story. he doesn't even need the presidential payment of over $400,000 a year. this guy is making millions off of all these travels. he is going to these places he owns like where he goes to play golf. we are footing the bill as taxpayers. we need to know why the sky has divested like -- other presidents have. presidents never did this. host: the president does not accept a salary just as an fyi.

he donates it to the national park service or other charities. caller: he does donate his salary, look at the money he makes from all these foreign ministers coming into the new place he bought on pennsylvania avenue. tell me he has not divested. thank you for the call. the second part of donald trump street, the people do not care how many lives they ruin. these are angry people, ncluding the highly conflicted bob mueller, the work for the obama administration for five years. a total witch like no other in american history. that is the full tweet. on the republican line from florida is harold. good morning. caller: good morning. i am like a lot of people, i take this personally. i have lived a long time. when i was younger, i was a

prosecutor for many years. i say many years. when you ask if mueller needs to be protected, that is literally crazy. you cannot make him an autonomous unit that can do whatever he wants. i cannot even imagine somebody investigating for more than a year and coming up literally with nothing on the central issue. he has found a few things, but this is nuts. if i investigated for three weeks on an issue, i either down something, or we moved on. -- found something, or we moved on. the office, the state of florida , nobody could afford more. this is crazy to give him all the the way he wants. -- leeway he wants. host: thank you for the call. on the democrats line, trenton,

ohio, jerry. caller: good morning. i have been a democrat all my life. the first time i registered at 19, and i'm getting up there nowadays. retired. i'm a simple old man. i am fed up with this. i am a democrat. i am a deplorable. it,ary, if you think about the uranium she sold to russia, who do you think is going to deal with, and how are they going to try to help to be elected? it is going to be hillary because they have already done dirty dealing with her and know they can get away with it. that is all i have to say. is pissing in the wind. excuse me. he is not going to find nothing.

he is going into a lot of people that he should not be that are getting in trouble. i think it is just a bunch of bs. host: thank you for the call. the cover story on the new york times sunday magazine, it is titled what will become of us? how technology is changing. what it means to be human. the battles dividing lexington, virginia. from time magazine, who gets to ,e american, the asylum wars and thanksgiving at the border. keith is joining us from illinois, independent line. good sunday morning. what do you think? are you with us? caller: yes. host: good morning. caller: good morning. host: does congress need to pass legislation to protect robert mueller?

caller: i already thought he was protected to begin with by the constitution. it, if he needs to be protected, he should be protected. trump was trying to get rid of everything. he is getting rid of everything with the collusion. if you look at the reports, everybody who has been in the white house, either investigated by mueller and found guilty of some type of collusion with anything, so if he keeps it up, donald trump is draining the swamp, and mueller is catching everybody. host: thank you. democratic senator cory booker of new jersey had this to say. [video clip] >> this is not partisan legislation. it comes from a bipartisan effort that started many months ago. senator graham and i started

talking many months ago. not just this moment in history, but also understanding that we have a flaw in our system that does not have an appropriate check and balance of presidential power that can put them in a position where they are not subject to the laws of our land. this special counsel independence and integrity act came from a bipartisan effort to make sure we have the appropriate checks and balances to prevent a constitutional crisis. this is understanding that we should not be reactionary, but proactive.and -- bill workedartisan on, crafted, compromise, go to committee and be voted out of committee. to see it languish now without a vote that i agree would get more

than 60 votes and would provide a reasonable check and balance. host: senator cory booker on the senate floor. one viewer saying trump is completely corrupt, racist, and treasonous. it is the court's power and duty . as we said at the top of the program, mike pence on his way back from new guinea. the headline from the new york out axi jinping staking dueling position on the trade meeting. online.read more dan is joining us from louisville, kentucky, republican line. mitch mcconnell is your senator. what do you think? caller: i tell you, i'm amazed

with so many people that call and and are praising c-span. they are just kissing up so they get more time and don't get cut off. i hope you don't cut the off. i don't understand how we can waste this kind of money on when he has already said he is not going to fire him. it is almost at the end. it is going to get done. i just cannot understand the money that has been wasted on it. callers were calling in, like the lady talking about clinton is not above the law. evidently hillary was. with the mueller investigation, why aren't they given the parts that collusion that hillary was in with the dossier and all that? that is something i cannot

understand. some of these democrats call in and rant and rave. i am like, cut them off. they are going crazy. i wish i knew their addresses. i would send them all pacifiers and baby bottles. they are really pathetic. host: thank you for the call. looking at the exit polls, a breakdown among democrats and republicans, age and gender, and assessment of voters during the detailsou can get the at cnn.com. this is what it looks like from the exit polling numbers. tom is next. welcome to the conversation. caller: i think the house needs to protect robert mueller. people mueller put them in jail. they are cooperating with the fbi because the facts are the

facts. they don't to know the truth. themany years it took clinton investigation, like five years or more. people are complaining that they want to fire mueller because they don't want to hear the truth. they don't want to hear the facts that trump is so corrupt. he is crooked. he is a traitor. russia, then with phony scandal, his tax returns, you name it. the list goes on and on. we need to put this person in check and balance. he is not an emperor. he is president. he works for us, the people. we have the power to fire him. host: thank you for the call. we will go out to john in phoenix, arizona. how do you answer the question? caller: as an independent, it is

amazing how these trump supporters can be so blind to the facts of the things he has done to get in this position of power. how long did benghazi take? that was a witchhunt. this guy wouldn't hurt that has been put in place, that is what wants, and the whole. there are so many things going whole thing. there are so many things going on. collusion is not a crime. things like spears see, treason -- conspiracy, treason. host: we will come back to your calls in a moment. the president traveled to california. witheath toll risen to 76

an estimated 1300 individuals still missing. the headline from the l.a. paradiserveying the devastation bound to work together. president trump spoke to orders yesterday. [video clip] nobody would have ever thought this could have happened. the federal government is behind jerry and i have been speaking. we have got to know each other we are all going to work together we will do a good job. this is sad to see. as far as the lives are concerned, nobody knows yet. we are up to a certain number, but a lot of people are not accounted or. this is the kind of destruction. they are telling you this is not

as bad as some areas. some areas are beyond this. to have the have greatest people in the world. you people have been terrible. law enforcement always. they never let us down. , thank you very much. kevin, anything we can do, you know we are here. just bring it over to the office. you know that. kevin is kevin mccarthy, leader in the house. let's get back to your calls on the issue of whether you think

congress needs to pass legislation to protect robert mueller. carolina,ning us from republican line. caller: i do not think there needs to be anything put in place to protect polar. i think just like several colors said,aid, -- callers have this is a witchhunt. trump has done so much for us. i cannot understand why there is so much backlash on him as much as all the eggs obama did, clinton did. you do not see the democrats or anybody else on them all the time like they are on trump. i am for him second i was just looking at these exit. -- him 100%. i was just looking at these exit

polls. i was not asked these things. host: the exit polls are a random sample. caller: here's the thing, you can make a poll say anything you want. trump.e i talk to is for all everybody does, the democrats and news media, they are on him all the time. you are going to protect or so. i cannot see people write on and write on. the democrats, i saw them talking about how republicans were. the democrats said if you see a republican, not them down -- knock them down. kill them. i cannot understand it. host: thank you. we will go to california. good morning. caller: it is a big problem that

our country is in decline. i am in california. more than 77 people have died. our country cannot stop that unfortunately. rate is getting more and more. it is a concern. there are lots of reasons these kinds of disasters is increased. reason for these natural disaster is the government. [indiscernible] our country is in decline. thank you very much. host: thank you for the call. the hill newspaper, mcconnell inflate clashing over contacting

the -- and flake clashing over protecting the mueller probe. mitch mcconnell and jeff flake clashing thursday with mcconnell challenging flake's efforts to protect special counsel robert mueller. linda is joining us from new york. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to make a comment about this so-called russian investigation. i am a little upset because it seems all of our resources are going towards chasing some abstract crime that they cannot prove. i have a suggestion. judith a sitting judge in the u.s. court? i want to personally nominate her to become a bipartisan

factfinder and close this nonsense immediately. that is my suggestion. host: thank you for the call. next is pat joining us from the new jersey, public -- from new jersey, republican line. i think this is ridiculous. the supreme court ultimately the red unconstitutional act back in the 1850's to prevent andrew jackson from firing cabinet officials. robert mueller has his status by virtue of the justice department. i don't understand what jeff .lake is hoping to accomplish what if the house refuses to pass it?

refuses to president sign it? override a 67 to veto? i think the law is misguided. from the washington post, the report do this week on the killing of jamal khashoggi. the president said he had spoken onh ci director gina haspel that they's finding saudi crown prince had ordered the killing. the washington post reported friday that the cia had assessed with high confidence based on multiple sources of intelligence and that the present had already been shown evidence of the princeown ordering the killing. from newoining us jersey, democrats line. caller: good morning.

i would just like to say a few callers back i really agreed with on this russia investigation. it really should be played out. checkk they do the two this president. he says one thing one day and the other thing the next. if he answered all the questions of the russia investigation, let's see how long it takes him to turn them in. i want to hear what the republicans have to say about that. host: thank you for the call. diego.t caller from san welcome to the conversation. are you with us? caller: good morning. first of all, i want to congratulate you because i see you on tv all the time. congratulations and happy holidays. i want to say donald trump has been doing amazing.

i have heard a lot of real americans, not immigrant americans always say donald trump has been doing more in a shorter time than what the last three presidents have done in their terms. i think donald trump is doing awesome. i am happy with everything he is doing. congratulations to him and to you. happy holidays. host: thank you. happy thanksgiving. this opinionhas may be a bader choice, but he is a legal one. the choice is constitutional so long as it is temporary. he can stay on the job 210 days, essentially a recess appointment until the senate needs to confirm a replacement for jeff sessions. ralph is joining us from delaware, democrats line. caller: good morning.

host: go ahead. you are on the air. caller: i would like to say i am surprised how bitter and hateful some of these old white women sound when they call in. they really are a lot more for hate. it is time for these older white women. i think that is why they are so bitter. all the sudden they are just like everybody else. i think they are the ones that are suffering because of that. host: thank you for the call. on the washington post, once the gop lost the senate race in

mississippi is tightening up. this is between cindy hyde-smith, who was appointed to the senate earlier this year, and mike sp, who served in the clinton administration. president trump indicated he will travel to mississippi on monday. the runoff election slated for tuesday. there is a debate tomorrow evening taking place. you can check out the full schedule that c-span.org. gary is joining us from atlanta. democrats line. caller: good morning. i agree with the caller from delaware. he hit the nail on the head. , the benghazis investigation went on. where were the republican

callers then? they investigated hillary clinton even after three or four committees did not find anything. they did not end the investigation until the election was over. they said they were doing it to pull her numbers down. that is called a witchhunt. it went on for several years. two years is nothing. this man needs some checks and balances. it is about time. that is why they lost congress. in 2020.ot get elected is our line748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. should congress has legislation to protect robert mueller? joining us at the top of the hour is former congressman tom davis and marjorie margolies, former lawmaker from pennsylvania.

the makeup of the congress, political changes in california and what is next for nancy pelosi and her bid to become speaker once again. wait,side edition, long look at the border. confrontt no one to and plenty of time to kill. peter is joining us from new jersey, independent line. caller: good morning. host: you are on the air. go ahead. caller: i am thinking about the question we have before us. we have to think about our history. sometimes people are angry whether it is a democrat or republican. in america, all this is an a distraction. now they moved to the right because it works for them. this is to divide the country.

you don't want to get to the truth about here was a and know heroism and know the man is committing treason. how can you know the truth? skirt the rule of law. we don't have to say the name. he has been in control. those women, he has been under them. they are angry. they are losing control. the browning of america is coming. people in power have accepted it so long now that our moral system and money get constrained. people are making money like donald trump. it is hard to turn back. america has always fixated on money before morality. then they fall into tribalism.

do not use your own laws and of moral codes and let it break down and say america. look at what is going on in our country. you cannot use those anymore. we are not blind. host: thank you for the call. elizabeth in san diego, democrats line. caller: good morning. i just want to say some of the republicans that are calling in and asserting that there has been no proof of any kind of election interference by the russians, open your eyes. there has argued that 17 or 18 indictments of russians, laying out exactly how they attempted to interfere in our election. they know exactly which computers they used overseas. mueller is already done a fantastic job. i would put mueller against

trump any day. trump has zero credibility. he lies to the american people every day, boldly. i think it is amazing that some of these republican people -- they need to open their eyes. they are like zombies. they are being fed lies every day. trump -- republicans are trying to strip pre-existing conditions from their health care plans. themselves by $1.3 trillion added to the deficit and give to themselves in the forms of huge tax breaks. it is just amazing that some of the people in this country cannot see what is so plain to see. we need to keep mueller on the job. he can get to the bottom of what

happened to our election. then we can move forward as a country. host: thank you for the call. here are a list of events of the mueller investigation. some tight to russia, sometimes to rick gates and michael:. some tied tossia, michael cohen. caller: i am from nicaragua. i love this country. i love president trump. think it never ceases to amaze me how some democrats have been early and completely brainwashed by the liberal media. it is incredible. despite the facts and results, i

about theto say so-called brushfires. nine out of 10 are the result of arson. this is causing global warming. why don't they investigate who is promoting them, starting these brushfires that are so devastating to the world and this country and california? anould like to make investigation because that is a cause of global warming. who is the arsonist starting these fires? donald trump is now in charge and is going to investigate and put an and to this nonsense. -- end to this nonsense. host: thank you for the call. we will go to charlotte in houston. republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. you are on the air. caller: i'm sorry.

i am a republican. i think donald trump is doing a fantastic job. i don't think there needs to be a policy to protect mueller. the already has -- he already has all the strength he can get. we have a checks and balance government. we don't need somebody who is going to act like god. ann. we will go next to caller: good morning. i think the biggest problem right now is the tribalism. when the republicans calling, they have one viewpoint. democrats have the other viewpoint. there is nothing wrong with having an investigation that sheds light on what is happening in government. we don't want to hide what is happening in government from the american people. it is our job to know. i think it is very important

and we support our press look at them and weigh the facts and use that to make intelligent, informed decisions and to realize that no one is above the law. thank you so much for taking our calls. gary, you're next, north carolina. welcome to the conversation. caller: i am an independent. i am trying to decide. what would help people is if they did a little studying on their own. a lot of people at the news be there studying. that is letting other people do your thinking for you because they can portray the facts the way they want to. i think we should read more on their own. i think everybody needs to stop making conclusions of what

happened and remember, if you let other people do your thinking for you, you cease to be a person. when it comes to lying, people are calling donald trump a liar. they should give some examples. maybe i might want to be a democrat sunday. instead of calling him a liar, give some examples. if he is doing it every day, there should be plenty of examples. host: thank you. two members of the house will be joining us in a couple minutes. --l have on bob you are joining us. caller: good morning. this government is made up of three co-equal branches of government.

i don't think congress has the authority to inhibit the executive branch at all. is partial prosecutor of the executive branch. even though congress may pass a bill protecting the special prosecutor, once he goes to the supreme court, and i believe it will, they will shoot it down because these are coequal branches, not the legislative thech riding roughshod over executive branch. host: thank you. todd, you get the last word. timer: it seems like every it doesn't affect me at all. i am just a common working guy. how does this affect me? it is investigation after investigation. i am approaching retirement age. iparty applied for citizenship

in canada. -- i have already applied for citizenship in canada where people are decent and moral. that is all i have to say. host: thank you for the call. two former house members weighing in on what the new congress will look like. orange county california now has a congressional delegation that is all democrats. we will look at that. piece indicating that hillary clinton manda running in 2020. coming up, tom davis and marjorie margolies. incomingazio is the chair of the house for structure committee, now serving as the ranking member. discussing some proposals he will work on in the new congress. [video clip] >> the president did not seem to

be on board with his own advisors. he expressed an interest in recognition that we need real federal investment and partnership with the states in rebuilding america's infrastructure. just before the election, just before he left washington, they had them visit me. i did know they had a congressional affairs office. they talked about areas where i could agree and potentially work with the president and there were two things, infrastructure and trade. she said there is a recognition on the part of the president that we need to rebuild infrastructure and make real federal investments. i think it is doable. there were a few colleagues that said you don't want to help trump. i said this is about the united states and the fact that we have

been ignoring this problem and these needs for a very long time. the country is falling apart. we had three examples the selection that show it is not politically toxic. kevin mccarthy with his political funds and bebe walters sponsored an initiative to repeal their gas tax increase. they failed miserably. one of my colleagues, governor minnesota campaigned on a gas tax increase and turned that state from red to blue and yet one of the largest margins in history. the new governor of michigan, from red to blue. she said fix the roads. americans get it. it is not politically toxic. i think there is this bridge that mitch mcconnell is interested in, what we can't do with existing funds. peter defazioman

our guest on "newsmakers." that airs at 10:00 eastern time on c-span and online any time on c-span.org. on this sunday morning joining us in washington is tom davis, former republican member of the house of representatives from northern virginia and marjorie margolis who represented the philadelphia area. to both of you, thank you for being with us. tonga's mint davis i want to begin with news in california were now four house members flipped from republican to democrat. how significant is that for orange county and the house? >> it has been trending that way. is the are seeing now presidential behavior translated down into the house races across

the country. a couple of rural seats flip from democrat to republican. we are seeing basically parliamentary behavior. for republicans in higher it has beend income a kill zone in the house race. host: let me put two numbers on the table. 45, the number of democrats in california in the house, eight is the number of republicans. >> it is not too good. the party has been spiraling down in california into being irrelevant. we are getting runoffs in a number of districts that are democrat versus democrat and it is what happens when a party get so far away from its base in a changing demographics state. host: do you want to weigh in on these changing demographics? >> yes i would. first let me say that tom is

repulsively reasonable. and always has been. what is missing and we talked about this is that kind of moderate middle response. the -- i have been teaching at the university of pennsylvania with david eisenhower and tom and i had this conversation over a. oftime -- over a period time. i think this was an -- as much a referendum on trump is anything else. i was out there helping campaign and people were saying enough. it is as much about the tone, it was as much about the conversation, especially with women saying stop it. i do a lot of stuff around the world and people are saying what? what is coming out of this president's mouth? , it isot diplomatic

certainly misogynistic, it is certainly xena phobic and i think people, it was a push back. if you look at this congress, how exciting for women. we of 100 members. , weou look at the picture look like the rest of the country. if you look up the democrat side looks like it looks like the rest of the country. if you look at the republican side, it is just -- white. gop women confronting a looming crisis. in a new congress there will be 13 republican house members or female. >> they lost a number of white females and the democrats went after them. they up their numbers in the senate with marsha blackburn's win in tennessee. there is no question. performingest

democratic district mouse, not one will be represented by a white male in the last -- in the next month. host: you wanted to weigh in on that? there are two native american women coming in which is terribly exciting. there is one woman from a somalia refugee, there are two muslim women, all of a sudden congress is going to represent those in small numbers, but we will be there like we have never been represented before. i came in in 92. there were 24 new women, there ,ad been 29 from the 90 class so we double the number of women in congress and we thought this number would grow. it kind of plateaued. all of a sudden it looks like women will be there.

able to say things that are important to families and women like we have never seen before. , tom does have to be this much better than i, now we have to figure out how we can get things done. our guest in washington, tom davis, and joining us in philadelphia, marjorie margolis. i want to ask you about the fight in the democratic party , anotherer pelosi appears to be more than a dozen house democrats who want to blocker speakership vote it will take place in early january. can you tell us what is happening? first, nancy pelosi is one of the best counters ever, she will be speaker, this is a bit of a revolt, not a big one.

i think it is saying listen to us, we want a newer direction and she will listen, she is very good at that. understandt members she had a lot to do with what , ipened in the election don't think there's any question that she will be speaker again. host: as you what this fight continue, what do you expect? >> it will be interesting to watch. i would put my money on pelosi as well. she a tough inside player at this point. there are a number of ways with members abstaining, you don't need 218 votes to be named speaker. yet members a good vote for them abstains of the majority needed was lower. i put my money on her.

it depends on how you look at speaker in terms of being effective or ineffective. legislatively she has been one of the most effective speakers in a generation when you look at what she was able to get through. the downside is they paid a price in 2010 in the house with a record number of members losing. i put my money on pelosi. it will be interesting. and you sawea party the republican caucus has been fractured. democrats have something i call the herbal tea party with people pushing the other way. politics has been very fractious these days. with the growth of independent media, social media and the like. you lose the message from a leadership point of view. congressman seth moulton could face a primary challenge in two years because of his opposition to leader pelosi. how much pressure is he under? >> he is an exceptional candidate up there as well.

very strong in his believes, they can try it at this point but i think he is solid in that district. host: let me ask you -- >> let me just say that one of , the real tom and i primaryis this fear of challenges. ,nd so it is pushing people members of congress to the right and to the left. i think you are right about moulton. one of the things we have to sometimes thehat members get down there and they really want to stay. i wasn't great at that. but they want to stay and there is a difference sometimes but when representing and leading and what we need more of our people down there saying we will get this done, we will do the

right thing. sometimes we are afraid of challenges on the writer from the left, but let's figure out how we can get stuff done. host: i want to share with our audience what happened when you served in the house of representatives and one of the key votes that led to your defeat. in the daily beast "in an regard -- margolis recalled a showdown with the budget which raise taxes andrew the ire of her constituents. -- debts when i went to had gotomeeting said be escorted to police -- by police. i painted a target on my chest. that was 20 years ago. >> it was. although i remember it well. host: what has changed if anything? >> 25 years ago. let me tell you what happened on that day, i had said there

were parts of the bill, it had been painted at a desk as a tax increase but was also a deficit reduction bill. --epresented the most public most republican district represented by democrat in the country. i said there were parts of the bill i really did not like and there were parts i liked, which is true with most of these bills. when i walked into the house that night, the president was on the phone and i said to him i thought it was a very important bill for him. -- it wasure whether his most important piece of legislation. we had come in with him. so i said i wouldn't let it go his, but i would only be 218 vote.

i knew that was true. i said i would only be his last vote if it was going down. and that is what happened. i do think if you look at it historically, which was impossible to do on that night, it was a place where some of the good stuff happened in the 1990's. this past week, fast-forward i was on the floor of the house because -- with a woman who represents my district now was sworn in because her member had stepped down early. there were four members sworn in early this week and i walked in and i cannot begin to tell you the number of people who walked over and set i walk to down the aisle that night when you major vote. there must have been a traffic jam. i don't remember that. , at remember republicans

least one of them jumping up and down and saying bye-bye. he was right. he was a good jumper. ?hat can i say it was one of those moments and i did not think it was going to be that way. presidentsaid to the you were going to lose this seat, you haven't had it, it was one of those crazy moments where the votes just weren't there. host: the other part of my question with regards to the signs of protest that you face 25 years ago, liar in the demonstrations we are seeing that today. many house members are not even conducting town hall meetings because of the demonstrations and protests they face. >> let me tell you when i went , i saidthese people they, one of them said

satiate democrat or republican. they had no idea of what they were doing, it was a powerful ciao.nt to say >> marjorie and i have had this conversation. there is nothing dishonorable about losing an election to cast a vote to change history. this was an impactful vote and i was on the other side of the electionfact i won my climbing -- was the deciding vote instead of marjorie. there is nothing wrong with standing up for principle and losing an election. i think the american people want to see more of that. in a historical context, a very historic vote that puts her down as an icon for somebody willing

to take a political risk to do what they think is right. i think americans are seeing too little of that today. host: our phone lines are open at 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans. marjorie margolis, should congress restore earmarks? i think it was a mistake to take them away. that earmarksyou for him were very important, i was there for such a short period of time that i brought back a little bit. reconstituted his district .n many ways i think it should be reasonable, in some cases it was not. in some cases it was based on

seniority which i think is a problem. i think earmarks should be brought back. >> there is no question, they never should've been eliminated. we remember -- constitutionally the congress has the power of the purse, not the executive branch to appropriate the money and how to spend it. this, you at a republican congress giving a abilityic president the to allocate money the way he said because they want to be pure on the earmarks. it allows members to personalize their district. marjorie and i had this conversation, i wasn't tom davis, i was mr. woodrow wilson and rail to dulles. they saw a reason to keep me around even when they were mad at the party.

right now we get continuing resolutions, government shutdowns, you at a few earmarks and it makes the legislative process go smoother. members that have the reason for their skin in the game. transparent,e more the needs to be some checks on it but there is nothing wrong. if you don't like the way government is spending money, at least with an earmark you know who to blame. right now there is some same -- faceless person that has made this allocation based on who knows what criteria. host: another story looming this week, the washington post reporting on the killing of jamaal -- a report on the killing of democracy we could be released. the truth about mohammad bin salman, if mr. trump continues to defend him, congress must step in. marjorie margolis, should congress weigh in on this? >> yes. host: how so?

>> i think what happened was appalling, i think there is no way at any level to make excuses for it. i hate the way the white house has handled it. it should be much more linear and direct. what went on is beyond anything that one could possibly imagine. let me go a little bit further. the way the white house is treating the press and has created, i was part of the press for many years, what we do sometimes is annoying. i know, i have been on the other side. but you cannot create that kind of war and then at some point step back and not step in under these circumstances and say this

behavior is completely unacceptable. >> i take a little bit different view. what happened was appalling. when the russians were telling people we stepped out and congress should make its views known. but the relationship of the saudis is very complicated. there are no real great actors in that area. he was not an american citizen at this point. it's important for congress to express basically the fact they don't like this and it was wrong, but the saudis, given what we are tried to do with iran and the coalitions in the middle east and the like, it has to be handled delicately. it is easy to just be appalled and outraged but i think there are more dimensions to this. , what happenedt was outrageous. >> i agree. it has to be handled very delicately, i totally agree.

crowndo you think the prince was responsible? >> i don't know. host: the cia's indicating he was responsible and a link to it. .> i have not read that it looks like the people who carry this out or going to lose their heads. so they are taking some action on this. host: our phone lines are open. marjorie margolis joins us from philadelphia, served one term in the house of representatives. tom data -- tom davis steps down when? >> 2008. host: democrats line, good morning. i wanted to make sure your listeners understood that ms. margolis is the sister-in-law of bill and hillary clinton and

that thanks for putting this corporate democrat on while not identifying her as a family member of the clintons. i want to say whatever you're going by these days, please tell hillary clinton not to run again. you folks have done enough to destroy the democratic party for working americans. when you stole the election from bernie sanders, the bernie sanders folks try to help you win the election and you couldn't even be donald trump. thelease just go away, let real working people in this country take back the democratic party and win and win for america. thank you very much. should point out your the mother-in-law, not the sister-in-law. >> you are not alone in your feeling, thank you for sharing. host: we will go to peter in new york, republican line.

caller: good morning. republicans and democrats are reading too much into this midterm election. you can give all the statistics on how many seats changed hands in the midterm elections, apparently the american people seem to think the divided government is good and i think that is more of a reflection here than anything else. the simple fact that the republicans were able to hold onto the senate and actually gain two seats tells me they like president trump's appointments, particularly with the supreme court and also for his cabinet appointments. so they want to continue to give him that authority. host: thanks for the call. first of all historically he is right, 30 of the last 40 years we have had divided government. the last three times going into this election that 1 -- the one party is held house and the

president has lost the house. so this is hardly a historical anomaly. this is normally what happens. it happens for three reasons. trump voters as with obama voters tend to be trump centric versus obama centric and are not as engaged in midterm elections. the out party is generally much more enthusiastic and we saw that in this election although the end it kind of evened out with kavanaugh and the caravan, these issues starting to get the republican base riled in rural areas. finally and most -- the most important fact is you have a group of americans who don't like either party. in midterm elections like this what they want to do is put a check on the president rather than give him a blank check. president bush went through this in 2006, president clinton in 94, president obama in 2010. now donald trump is going through it.

to a great extent this is historical. you can see this coming. i'd had one other thing, with the unemployment as low as 3.7%, ino think the white house terms of speaking has been a little more polarizing than it needs to be. in suburban areas i think they pay the price not so much on policy as they did the tone coming from the white house. that will be a completely different cycle putting a check on the president is different than having to compete against different visions and a lot will depend on who the democrats put up, i think it shows which direction. host: as you look at 2020 -- >> remember the word that obama used in 2010, a shellacking. it is true historically.

democrats will lead your party and 2020? >> i don't know. there are a lot of people stepping up to the plate. at sherrod brown, looking at kiersten gillibrand. i don't know. think -- let me say something with regards to what i think is happening though and i think it is something we have to respect. that is down ballot races this ,ast time were so different women stepped up to the plate in numbers that were extraordinary.

they -- for school board, legislative races, we have a bench that is quite different. it only women, but i think is going to affect the 2020 race , especially after the census. things that we did not expect because a lot of the state legislatures are not going to be the same as they are now. host: going to james in iowa, good morning. you are next. , i have always tried to get on and this is the first summit got a chance to get through. viewers would like to hear what your guest would

about the mueller and why he is only looking at one side, when i wonder did they know mueller was the fbi director during the uranium one deal. host: thank you, james. >> i think he is looking at his charter. the russiang at program things that might occur as a result of that statement. i think it is focused on that. it basically goes with the assignment they gave him at the time. i think he is looking at that. the interested thing i would add about the probe is we know very little about it. we know from indictments what is going on and who they have interviewed but we really don't know what's going on the cousin been very few leaks unlike some of these independent probes in the past. the talking heads on the 20 47

news cycle are speculating and feeding the beast every day in terms of this could happen, but it is really speculation and i'm going to sit and wait and see what happens and see if it is focused one way or the other, we don't know until we see it. host: you did not represent crystal city but you are familiar with what's happening with amazon moving. does the commonwealth of virginia provide too much tax credit to get it? >> i don't think so. it is a huge win for the commonwealth. virginiaok at what offered, it is what new york offered. we had i think some natural advantages with our proximity to washington. crystal city is a gorgeous site across from the airport, potomac river and the like, but long-term what this means for the region in terms of bringing in high-tech jobs, i think it will be a huge asset and what it

does for the region which has been so dependent on government and government contractors, it has a different side of the economy coming to take root, i think we see more and more businesses moving into that direction. host: let me take that one step further. what about the issue of gridlock knowrthern virginia, you the region well and also in long island where new york is getting the other part. i agree with what tom is saying and also let's go back to the question, i think we should step back and wait and not be judgmental with the investigation. i think he has done a remarkable job of making sure the leaks do not happen. this is one of the areas that congress should deal with this gridlock. i would love to put that on the table and with the new members

say see what you can do. host: let's go to tom in virginia, democrats line. >> how are you doing. host: go ahead, please. caller: i think the house and congress need to work together and quit worrying about all this other stuff and take care of the american people. there is too much money being spent in areas. host: we are getting a bit of feedback. >> i think there is a tremendous frustration basically across the country with congress's inability to put out more in a timely manner. this last are they guy number of appropriation bills on time but we have had years recently with the fiscal year starts october 1 and they didn't get the appropriations until may. that cost the taxpayers money in the contracting industry. , it'sare inefficiencies

the one thing they have to do each time. the inability to compromise is something i think is very frustrating. called thegroup thatem solvers caucus brought together equal numbers of republicans and democrats basically saying we are willing to compromise and work together. they are tired of one side sitting there just to stop the other side. at the end of the day without these innovations, it doesn't help us. to us not to have a strategy move ahead and get some of these big issues that have been on the table on resolved and take them down the road until the next election cycle. it is a huge frustration. why is that? why is compromise so difficult? >> let me add to that. quite a few former members have joined the reformers and we are

trying to deal with many of these issues and it is so frustrating. united and the independent spend teachers are really wrong. and i think people -- voters understand that money in politics has been going on for too long, way out of proportion. why is copper my so difficult and this congress? >> i think it is what we were saying before. that is that this congress has been -- has become more and more polarized. although i will say newt gingrich's district is now represented by democrat. we have just become much more polarized, there is in the

moderate middle, there is in the same center. that is what we have to deal with and that is what -- when copper mise happens. thatnew class understands we will get things done, we have to form coalitions. by the way, i worked with women around the world, i think women will do that. they are just sitting getting to the table and do some serious listening. what you doing today? not teaching am this semester, i have been the university of pennsylvania and ,eaching with david eisenhower you room with him. at amherst.

both of us believe we have to find the moderate middle and we have to figure it out. i was ahead of our delegation for the conference in 95 and when we came back, what was put on the table was to get more women to the table. i started a campaign we have been doing for years and we travel around the world and we are working with women in marginalized communities. withrk with women dealing issues that are extremely important. education, health care, financial literacy. jobave done a remarkable that it was much easier when we that wasministration

much more interested in humanitarian efforts, now it is challenging but we are still there and working hard and i would love to tell you stories, but i'm sure we don't have time to do it. dois amazing what women can when they were carting get to the table and we work with communities. it is an extraordinary effort and we are doing great work. 10 years after leaving house, what you up to? i am the rector at george mason university, the largest in virginia and i teach political science there. i did a class there with university of chicago's steve israel. i wrote a book with martin frost. on the root causes of polarization. i'm staying busy, i still have public service i'm able to express.

shirley from new york, democrats line. good morning, shirley. caller: i just want to say thank you miss margolis. we need somebody that can work -- thanke aisle, there you, have a good day. let me say i am a card-carrying fan of hillary clinton, i think she is remarkable. you sit at a table with hillary and you think, the issues she deals with with the depth of her understanding is extraordinary. i love her. , i think she is wonderful. don't know whether this would be the right time for her to

run. the feeling is very polarized out there, i am listening, i don't think that she is stepping up to the plate, but i don't know. there are a lot of people out there who say run, but personally i don't think she well. host: let me ask you about mark penn saying hillary, a 4.0 version of hillary clinton will be a candidate and she will win the democratic nomination in 2020. >> i was surprised by that. i really don't know. true and that can be put together and it would work and your first caller was so true, if it that is can be put together, i would be surprised, but count me in.

>> al gore got a morality vote for president but lost. didn't come out and focus on other things and wrote books and stayed active and policy and i think had a good life, hillary clinton people forget did get almost 3 million more popular and therehis election is a place for that in public policy. i've always argued the skill set to get elected is a different one than governing. it's hard to find that intersection. if she stays active in the public arena and still have a lot of experience to offer, sometimes being a candidate isn't the best way. pelosi's issues is because she was successful as a speaker she just had millions of andars worth of ads republican leaders have had the same problem.

eric cantor, the majority leader had a 12% approval rating. people are not happy with what's differentiate in getting elected is one set of skills, governing is another. as you look at it tactically, there are number of in aratic candidates crowded field, if she were to run, would that help her? anything can happen in that field. me a yearld asked before the nomination with donald trump win the nomination, most of us would've said no. there's no way he would be able to do that. but he emerged in a crowded field with a solid base of support. he didn't have the majority of that point and it just grew during that time. some democrat will be able to do that.

there is a lane in the democratic party but there are other lanes as well. it will depend on voters and what they are looking for. 80's hard to predict what's going to happen. done -- hasary has reached out and she is speaking out on issues and doing it well. i don't know whether reentering the field is what she will be is amazing.he i've seen her speak in venues. she is an incredible professor and an incredible spokesperson and she knows the issues remarkably well. >> i think she is taking more shots of democrats because she can clog up playing for some other aspirant men she is for republicans. host: our next call from buffalo

junction, virginia. where is that located? carl, are you with us? >> i'm with you. host: go ahead. what is anybody going to do with the information they have about the collusion, they spent millions and millions and probably trillions -- host: more on the robert mueller investigation. >> i think ill of a better picture of this, it looks like they have some indictments ready to go. host: how should congress react? >> it will depend on what it says. it will find its way to capitol hill one way or another and that you have democrat leadership in the house but going to have to

decide what do we do. it depends on what does the investigation find. base now the democrat voters according to exit polls about three quarters of them think president trump should've been impeached yesterday. the mueller investigation is unlikely to get them -- how do they handle that with their base? the substance of the report will mean a great deal. do we go to an impeachment inquiry, do we go to other investigations, what is going to satisfy that base because these members have to go home and primary elections a year after. how is the media going to react to this. how will this relate to other issues, it's an unknown story at the point, but i think antipathy to the president will fuel the way this is received. facts matter and we will have to wait to see.

host: you voted -- you were in the house when clinton was impeached. >> once you're confronted with it, you have to vote yes or no and i think what got me was lying under oath whether a janitor or a baseball player or a millionaire or president, there has to be a price for that. we can't condone it and make excuses. it was on that base i voted. host: marjorie, as you see a group of house members sworn in, some this week, what advice would you give them? i would say picking up from the last question, don't scream impeachment. it is ridiculous, it is too early. although i know a lot of them from their districts when they .an

we have to look at what the report is going to produce, look at it very carefully, there will be a lot of layers to it and then start the conversation. let's go back to what we have been saying all along, we have get together and get things done. screeching,top the the screaming. we have to look at what is out there. i think the tone has been so awful and that you think this election was a referendum on that. works,s get back to what what the people want, people want things, they want us to get things done. let's look at the areas, i was looking at an interview with nida, what are the kind of things she is going to look at with regards to appropriations, what is realistic.

i think that's what we have to do. we will have new chairs of most ofes and i think them are looking at being reasonable. as with the new congress in the midterm elections. -- joining us from california, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. the question here for the guests , with the new congress, the american people are being asked to live with an 18 year war in afghanistan with no future objectives in sight. it ise second thing is the new norm to see the flag in our country flying in front of federal buildings in half-mast in honor of all of our american citizens being murdered by gun-control laws that aren't working.

i think for the sake of our country and future, our children and grandchildren and our image in the world, that we need to take a different tone on both. we don't need to be maintaining military forces and fighting wars in parts of the world that really have no end in site and second, the massive number of military style high-capacity semiautomatic handguns and rifles in the hands of the wrong people. you expect to hear another news alert that there has been a mass killing in our country and i hope our new congress will address that so that we feel like a much more civilized country again. host: thank you for the call. marjorie, let me turn that to you. afghanistan and gun control in the u.s.. >> let me attack both.

women's campaign international has a program in afghanistan. it is small, it is working with women, it is working with women on the ground, it is a dangerous place to be. way i can saymall if we can get to the community that will work with women and children and education, we can make such a huge difference. it just where our government is interested in reaching out, this government is not interested in reaching out humanitarian outreach. i know the difference we can make. we are there with women. conferences, what can women do in a place like afghanistan? it is enormous.

i can say in a very small way i agree. we have been there too long, it is a war that is not winnable. let's move on to the second part of the question which is what we can do with guns in this country. you are talking to the wrong person. when i was in congress i voted for the automatic weapons ban which of course was honeymooned think, you hear ,rom the white house republicans. every week, every month we are faced with these horrendous ,hootings and the response is the answer is mental health, let us put our hearts and minds and let three judge of the families, let's not talk about gun control , i think that is nonsense. i think practically speaking it is not going to happen, not with this congress.

the second amendment is something that seems to be holier than thou and i think that is crazy. but you are talking to someone who does believe in sane gun control. i voted for the automatic weapons ban. host: another issue you mentioned, this is the headline from the hill newspaper. republican lawmakers that he would back nancy pelosi for speaker if she backs rule reforms. >> there's a group of problem solvers in both parties who see legislation that has majority supporting congress not being able to get the floor because speakers of both houses go by what was the has to rule. they don't allow bills to come before unless you have a majority of the majority party's caucus orting it even though the votes are there if you held a houseboat. so they have a series of rules they are proposed to either speaker saying we will support you if you support these rules. the number of democrats, two

democrats who didn't sign a letter saying they depose pelosi but held at the option of opposing if the rule changes. my understanding is they are in negotiations trying to get rules to make the house work more democratically and a number of members have been working on this for some time. host: jerry, democrats line. caller: a couple of comments i want to make to mrs. margolis especially. she said she loved hillary clinton. i have to tell you something, if she probably fact that she took that nomination away from bernie sanders, that is number one. -- other that she collaborated with russia to go against trump and i'm sure there will be more going out. the woman is a snake. everybody knows it, they just don't want to admit it. as far as the women, kamala

harris just called ice the kkk. is that working together? do you think that is good or terrible. with nancy pelosi, let's pass it before we can read it. these women are not's. so if you're supporting the women in the democratic party, i'm a registered democrat, i would never vote democrat again and they are horrible. -- ybody's he is coming out with a report. who is supposed to be looking over the whole thing, nobody talks about him. i want to hear your answer. i appreciated, thanks. what you hearing from out two callers both democrats about bernie sanders? >> i think the feeling is out there. i think it isn't as deep as the

caller says it is. clear both of those calling in feeling that way. i am often out with voters. the feeling for hillary is also and -- and very warm. she is somebody who really does understand the issues and is, i disagree with the caller. she is a lovely, warm individual. what can i say. there are strong feelings on both sides, i know the sander supporters are there and i'd love here -- i love hearing from them. i love hearing their arguments. made the democratic an interesting place to

be. what is the definition of a liberal. we want to hear both sides and i think that is what we are hearing right now. host: tom davis you have been in the majority and minority. what advice would you give your former house colleagues moving from the majority to the minority next year? >> it is a good question. the majority runs the house, the minority does two things, they pick up a paycheck and pick up the form. what we have seen in previous congress we will see again is getting the majority to function as the majority is very difficult now. diffusedis become more . it is less a team sport. we had five and 60 margins in the house and yet we held together and were able to come forward and produce a product. and under john boehner and paul had 20 someican

seat advantage and they could not put together. it looks i democrats are breaking up into the same kind of factions that make it harder to put a work product on the table. republicans,or function as a caucus, work to move things along when you can. don't be completely negative. don't get pushed around either run some of these investigations. you have to stand your ground. and if you want to get back to the majority you have to act like you are able to govern. in the last couple of congress is they were not able to govern. host: why did speaker ryan retire? >> if your son grew up to be paul ryan you would be exceptionally proud. he isa boy scout, brilliant. he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. congress at this point, it is no place for somebody like that in a leadership position where you have to crack heads together. i think he has other options in his life. he is a young family and he was a reluctant speaker to begin

with and is probably the only person who could have held it together at that time. i think he just felt it was time to do other things. host: mike is joining us in akron. can i add to that? i had a conversation with him this week with a new member who said to him what should i do and he said take a couple of really important issues that you can wrap your arms around them and own them. don't go all over the place. it was such a lovely and warm correct way of guiding a new member. host: mike from akron, good morning. caller: thank you for c-span. i'm a real fan of irony. i believe it is ironic that president trump wanted a parade in his honor on veterans day in washington, d.c. but instead was

forced to go to europe and show honor to those who died in world war i. it must've been difficult for him to put up with that. believe that when mueller is finished, i hope he is finished sometime in january, trump can have his parade as a farewell parade. i will be more than happy to be happy -- i will be more than honored to be at the back of that parade with a room to clean up just to get them out of the oval office. host: thank you for the call. the president telling chris wallace i should have not skipped a veterans day ceremony. , he didon veterans day not travel to arlington cemetery for any sort of tribute. >> that is one of the ceremonial things that the president should do at that point.

i think the president statement speaks for itself. host: patrick in st. louis, good morning. >> thanks for taking my call. thank you to the guests. warident trump skipped a , i don'tf his feet think we need to talk about that still. , theonial things aside people need social studies. they need to know they are ignorant to the fact of what's happening in government, they hear the vitriol and our tribal, we are all on this planet together and it is falling apart. so we need to stop being so polarized, hillary needs to sit down, be a grandmother and move on. host: thank you for the call. marjorie picking up on that point with the centerpiece of our conversation, the tribalism and polarization in this country.

how do we fix it? caller: it is a very important point. the tribalism has gotten way too far, we have to figure out as we have been saying all along how we get together. i do think hillary is one of those individuals who feels very strongly that we have got to figure out the example and bring people together and she is trying to do that. to these new members of congress, these new women, we have a hundred women in congress, let's get together and figure out what the answers are. what the answers are for our families and children. so put our heads together, be reasonable, get things done. is going to bet the answer. i don't think we get enough hillary just give hillary enough credit for being there for all of us. guest: it is great to be here

with marjorie. we heard from your callers the polarization affects a lot of people. irjorie and and i are out of it now, we actually gave it our best shot when we were there, but we have a new group coming in. good luck. host: tom davis and marjorie margolies, to both of you, thank you very much. guest: thank you. guest: you bet. host: coming up, we turn our attention to the situation in north korea. us, and will be joining later, we turn our attention to hillary clinton 2020 based on that "wall street journal" editorial. ,e are in memphis, tennessee and our cities tour continues, learning about the final days of

dr. martin luther king jr. >> when we study the history of memphis, tennessee, p there wasre-april 4, 1968 and there was post april 4, 1968. after the aftermath of the assassination of mas mathematics, you have the black panther piracy, dissent, leaders calling out black power, patrol their own neighborhoods and communities. the ideologyift in and philosophy as to the most successful way to combat civil rights in america. dr. martin luther king jr. had planned to come here. a march,ing to lead and his ultimate goal was to get to washington, d.c. later that month for the proposed people's campaign. those opposing dr. king's

mission at the time said dr. king could not having control of controlledmphis -- march in memphis. dr. king was extremely taken aback by this, not only that, memberhas a rift in his and group. some wanted to go to washington, others believe that they should be here in memphis. he was under a great amount of pressure, scrutiny, and stress during the weeks leading up to his assassination. we travel to america, tennessee this weekend. you can check out all of our stops on the cities tour at c-span.org/citiestour. jungng us here is youn pak, a brookings institution senior fellow. i want to discuss president

trump's meeting with the north korean leader and where we are today. guest: when the singapore summit happened between president trump and kim jong-un north korea, that was june 12, the five two, bygo, and thae all accounts commodity spectrum of north korea, experts watching this were pretty tepid in what developed out of that meeting. so there were four points. the first point to having a more normalized relationship, a better relationship between north korea and south korea. the third was the more important one from my perspective, and that was is north korea would work toward denuclearization. the returnal one was of american pow remains. so there were four points. pretty disappointing, from my perspective and others, but it

was important that president trump was able to meet chairman kim on a face-to-face level at that juncture. host: this is the latest visual information we have about what north korea is developing. the missile operating bases across the country. what does this tell you? what is kim jong-un developing? it is important to remember that north korea, despite the fact that it has not done ballistic missile tests or thatar tests in a year, they are still conducting ofearch and development their nuclear and ballistic missile programs. kim jong-un has said that he would, as well as mass-producing nuclear weapons material. their latest report is not surprise me that the north koreans are doing that.

i want to share with you what vice president mike pence shared, he was in singapore and had this to say about north korea. [video clip] first, let's get to acknowledge that we made progress from the early days of this administration with north korea. when we came into office, north korea was testing nuclear weapons the mother were firing missiles over japan, they were making threats, statements for the people of the united states and those days are over. hostagesuclear tests, have come home, we have began to see the remain of american soldiers return home again. but here in singapore six months ago, the president and chairman kim sat down and reached an agreement to achieve denuclearization. but the reason why the president kept the sanctions in place is

because until we have a plan and that plan is implemented to achieve complete, verifiable, it irreversible denuclearization, we will keep the pressure on. the mistakes of the past can be described as one administration after another -- in both political parties -- with regard to north korea where promises were made for denuclearization, relief was given for north korea, that promises were broken. does the united states, does this administration need to get a complete list from north korea weapons and their facilities? pres. trump: i think -- vp pence: i think it will be absolutely inherited and is next summit that we come away with a all of theentifying development sites, allowing for inspections of those sites and a plan for developing nuclear weapons.

the goal here is complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula. what i heard from president moon, prime minister oabe, and from leaders all across this region is the world is united around that commitment. we will keep the pressure on, we will keep the sanctions in place. remains hopeful in the next summit that we will come up with a plan for denuclearizing. host: that was from nbc news. pak, it keeps continuing. guest: i appreciate what mike pence said about it, so that we can keep moving toward what was promised that singapore. what we have to remember, though, is we are still trying

to get this list from the north koreans. it has been hard to get past this stalemate. the north koreans and say they want a peace treaty or the lifting of sanctions before they start to make serious moves on denuclearization. the trump administration is insisting that we see significant movement on denuclearization before any removal or any type of additional concessions of the united states. we are locked horns with north korea over which will come first. host: what is your biggest concern? what is your biggest fear? many, my biggest fear are but if the second summit between trump and kim is going to happen, and trump tells kim face-to-face, and i think chairman kim needs to hear it directly, that president trump expects significant movement on the north koreans, beyond this

superficial that has been offered so far, and that he has empowered negotiators, particularly his special secretary, secretary of state pompeo, who continue to make talks with the north koreans about technical aspects. host: we will get to your phone calls in just a moment. the numbers on the bottom of your screen. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. for independents, (202) 748-8002 . let me go back to the david singer pace in the -- piece in ."e "new york times guest: there was a lot of debate about the characterization of deception by north korea. report, the original report from csi s, the center for strategic and international that not make very good

claims the it was just a matter of fact listed revealing the north korean facilities. it is not some of deception by north korea, but it was contrary to what the trump administration, what the moon administration from south korea had been telling the public, that kim is sincere about denuclearization, he had made the decision to work with the u.s., and he wanted to fundamentally change the relationship. host: and the president with the story in the new york times about the nuclear development base is inaccurate. nothing new, nothing happening out of the normal. just more fake news. i will be the first to let you know if things go bad." guest: yeah, well, the problem is the imagery shows there are ballistic missiles,

to they are continuing develop holistic missiles. what is dangerous is that the political side of negotiations and touting progress with north korea winner is not any does not go very far in reducing the actual threat from north korea, which the "new york times" and other reports have shown asthma has mr metastasized and grown. host: let's go to john. good morning. caller: good morning. worknk we need to do is with the north koreans and treat them like little children. they want unification, and i think we need to respect that and help them with that situation. athelped reunified germany, that meeting at the expense for

the germans, but they love it. we need to reach out to the north korea people at we love you, we care about you, and we want your best welfare. host: scott, thank you. guest: scott, thanks for your question. i think the relationship with south korea has been a bedrock andhe u.s. credibilit standing credibility with asia, and it has contributed to the last 70 years of peace in the region and globally. south korean president moon has been very focused on inter-korean ties and making sure that we have a reduction of military tension in the region. the u.s. and the trump administration and previous administrations, while they have clashed with the government on many instances, that is to be expected. within to make sure that the alliance is flexible enough that

address various priorities. the moon administration has been prioritizing more and more the inter-korean ties and engagement with north korea, whereas the u.s. administration has been looking at sanctions and making sure we keep on the pressure, even as we talk about diplomacy. so there is a lot of space for conflict but as well for cooperation. let's air on the side of corporation all that issue. jung pak, guest is she served in the obama administration as the deputy national intelligence officer on the korean peninsula. leo is next from the bronx. democrats line, good morning. caller: hi. good morning. your speaker is really astute. thank you for having her on. whenever kims jong-un travels outside of north

korea, the media reports that he or stay travel to much out of north korea for long, because he is afraid of being overthrown. can you talk about his internal political security with north korea? host: leo, thank you for the call. guest: leo, thanks. the caller is from the bronx, which is where i went to high school. i have a good connection with you. here are lots of reasons why does not typically travel overseas. let's look at the trouble he has done so far. these have been bilateral meetings. probably does not want to go into anything international settings. at that point, you have a a few leaderse talking about denuclearization, thanks you do not want to talk about theater is also the situation of being way back in

the photo where he feels disrespected. but in a bilateral; he is able to call the shots, the focus is it is also a friend to maintain leverage with even stronger leaders in the region. kim has been using purges and coercion to try to obtain any defense. if you recall, he executed his uncle, by marriage, who was seen as number two in north korea. in 2017, used a nerve agent attack using people in malaysia to attack his brother. kim has various tools that he power, to maintain his

and i would think that kim is pretty confident where he stands. host: is the u.s. ready for another meeting, as the "the transmission of title i "washington times" has been reporting? guest: looking at what he has been doing and what they have been saying, what was difficult about the june meeting was that the meeting was going to happen on june 12. that gives very little space for u.s. negotiators to try to get some substantial concessions u koreans before the meetings. it is important that the whole of government in the u.s., the

preparation to make sure we get what we want from the second summit. host: we will go to home earn st. louis, missouri, democrat line. good morning. caller: this is homer collins. host: good morning, sir. caller: oh. my thing was on hillary clinton. i would like to say that i would support her over and over and over. hillary clinton to me -- and i am probably older than most of you people, i am 87 years old. i am black, but i still love my country, and i have served my country as a soldier. but i would like to say hillary clinton is a person that i would to be president

of the united states. thank you. host: thank you for the call. you worked with secretary of state hillary clinton and with president barack obama. is there anything you think they should have done differently and handling this north korean leader? part of the deputy national intelligence officer in the intelligence community, we are not partisan. policyort whatever the is and provide the risks and the opportunity. what the obama administration did, starting in 2016, was to apply more pressure in 2016. that was widely applauded by many experts who had been watching the region. in putting together sanctions that were not directed, just in the nuclear entities, looking at the spectral sanctions, a bigger picture of how north korea makes its money, how it develops its laterlities, there were sanctions carried on through the trump administration in the form

of maximum pressure and engagement in 2017. it would have been nice to have maximum pressure continue, and i think the trunk administration is doing a good job of trying to maintain that pressure, corporate with our european allies, cooperating with our european allies in the region to reduce the ways the north koreans can circumvent sanctions. host: we're talking with jung pak, she is with the brookings institution. oustephen is our next caller from providence town. jung pak is certainly in a position to speak to the issue. in the wrongg direction with pakistan. we have a country in the form of north korea now that was stated as the stated leader of terrorism. hamas. toy have covert connections

the superpowers of russia and china. they had that other problems we should be concerned about, like biological weapons programs and other mass destruction capabilities, besides the missiles. far, and thetoo south koreans and the japanese are deathly afraid of the situation they are finding themselves in. they do not have the reliability, the sense of being able to rely on the united states as a dependable ally. i think we are not careful, we will be stuck with another pakistan, the difference being a much more volatile region, much more insecure leadership. as much as we want to portray pakistan of being insecure, it is nothing like the circumstances surrounding north korea. host: peter, thank you for the call. peter, thank you for outlining, articulating the range of threats that north korea poses.

i would not put it in that comparison to pakistan. north korea so far, despite reporting some terrorist-type organizations, north korea presents a different type of threat. the fact that north korea has nuclear weapons, as you as an outcome of a proliferated -- as you pointed out, they proliferated in the past and have threatened to do so in the future if they are unhappy. add in the short range, the thermediate range, intercontinental ballistic missile, and you have a threat that ranges far beyond the region into the global communities. host: for jung pak, our next call is from detroit. troy, good morning. caller: good morning. good program. i wish i was sitting on stage with you guys talking. i disagree with the person talking about hillary clinton.

a lot of democrats and progressives do not want hillary clinton or debbie wasserman schultz to have anything to do with the democratic party, because they had their time, and they cheated. we are tired of those people lighting. she looks that, she is from north or south korea, which is fine, but i do not believe she knows anymore that is going over there than the cia knows. it is a very isolated society, left yesterday from the government, and she is here in america saying she knew what went on, i can understand that, up inhe said she grew new york. i am a south korean heritage, but i grew up in the u.s. in new york. hasof my biggest privileges been working for the u.s. government as a member of the central intelligence agency on

north korea issues in the intelligence community and helping to support our commanders in the field and the white house on these types of issues. yeah, north korea is it really tsrd target because of i self-imposed isolation and the fact that it's leader does not travel very much. thingsthe most difficult -- assessing capabilities is one thing, but one of the most difficult things is to get inside a leader's head, and that is something that requires an openness to checking openness to an listening and debating issues think myr people, so i analysis on autoliv my academic studies but my 10 years in the intelligence community, policy, the hundreds of thousands of people who work on north korea issues both here and in the region, our allies,

the south koreans, as well as the japanese, and our partners in china. host: do you still have family in south korea? guest: i do. host: how often have you traveled there? guest: not more than once or twice a year. from the south korean side, because the north koreans had developed the shorter range ballistic missiles and they have come up for decades now, the south korean and japanese have been under the north korean time,e threat for a long the threat of "fire and fury" last year was different, i think, for the region, because there was a potential for actual hostility to break out. sliding scary about the -- accidentally or not -- into a nuclear conflict in the region was we had a second, third, and 11 largest economies in the l, the, and seou

30 minutes away from north korea, well within the reach of the chemical biological weapons as well as the ballistic missiles. host: can you envision a united korea? guest: um. it is hard to talk about a united korea at this point. north korea once a united korea, and that has been one of their desires ever since 1950, when they invaded south korea. part of the ideology of the north korean regime is unification. unification. what we are trying to do now is try to name unification on their , and create conditions on the peninsula so that both sides and the stakeholders in the region work together, that we

have a useful unification. who: our guest, jung pak, served as the deputy national intelligence officer, focusing on korea issues during the obama white house, now at brookings in washington. john is next in cleveland, ohio. good morning. caller: yes, i think you think there is a constant validation to update what the most unreliable sources, one of the most murderous sources in the world, the essential intelligence agency. of "cia mockingbird control of media," that have been proven by the congressional committees, that the cia has massively infested and ample traded into the media to whethernto these wars, with vietnam, korea, all of the biggest and small force against iran, libya, syria now have been

tainted by this cia operation control of the media. it will bring this out as well as global research. i believe too often on c-span, we have had so-called experts, think tanks really connected to the military-industrial cia complex that are going to a lie us into another war. if we are talking about another threat, it was not for north korea invaded the united states, killed 1/3 days that of the men, women, and children. a man in maine boasted about it. host: thank you for the call. guest: i will speak from my perspective from working in the intelligence community and in the building in langley. i worked with some of the best minds and some of the most at theminds in the world

cia, working on this issue. so whatever the history of the cia is, my experience is that there is a lot of oversight on the agency and on the termsigence community in of -- from the institutional level down to the analysts or the operative level. i am really proud of my record there, and proud of my colleagues at dcaa. and i am proud of my colleagues at the cia. bestoal is to get the analysis and weigh the risks of the opportunity to make sure we come to the right conclusions. host: two final points. they are called wargames. are the necessary between south korea and the u.s. military? guest: north korea calls them "wargames." it makes them sound very offensive.

for president trump has called the u.s. and south korea military exercises as "wargames" as well. i think that is unfortunate. these are make sure what happened in 1950 does not happen again. also made other incursions into south korea since the 1950's in the form of raids of the blue house, where the south korean president is, kidnapping and abducting south koreans as well as japanese. the games are to make sure there is interoperability between the to. and south koreans and make sure that they are prepared for any type of military scenario in that region. as i mentioned earlier, we don't want a military conflict in the region, given the economic, political, geopolitical, and the nuclear capabilities, the threat that north korea poses. the exercises are to make sure the u.s. and south korea are on the same page on this. host: finally, the general

assessment of the summit that took place in singapore nearly six month ago by south korean leaders, by japan, what was the assessment and? guest: the south korean administration throughout this whole process has been trying to broker the relationship between the u.s. and korea, so the south korean administration has been trying to make sure that things stay on track on the u.s.-north korea dialogue. japan is not as sanguine as south korea. shoulder to shoulder with the u.s. on maximum pressure since the beginning. has refused to meet with prime minister abe and continues to attack japan. been making its insistence on making sure north korea addresses the range of the

threat and highlighting the threat that north korea poses, especially given the fact that they feel pretty sidelined, because they do not have a direct connection to the regime. they have to work through president trump or south korean president moon. of theung pak, a veteran obama white house, now at brookings here in washington, thank you for your time and your expertise. guest: thank you. host: we appreciate it. a piece in the "wall street journal" got attention this week -- "hillary will run in 2020." we want to hear from democrats only -- hillary clinton in 2020. and) 748-8000 in central thousand andzones, pacific time zones, (202) 748-8001, if you are watching and listening to "washington journal" this morning. we are back in a moment. ♪ californiaon "q&a,"

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clinton will run again. "get ready for hillary clinton 4.0. than 40 years in the making, this new version of hillary clinton when she runs for resident and 2020 will become full circle, back to the universal health care, true to her name, mrs. clinton will fight this out until the last dog dies. she will not let a little thing like two stunning defeats standing the way of her claims to the white house. what do you think that? let's get to your calls. mark is joining us from new york. we are hearing from democrats only right now. should she run? myler: thank you for taking call here on c-span. i do not think she should, especially after the way her and berniean schultz threw sanders out of running against drunk. -- trump. i was a registered republican

for 30 years. i switched to a less bernie sanders, -- i switched to elect bernie sanders. host: thank you. we go to kay in florida. good morning. caller: [no audio] good morning. i am an old democrat, and i regret not having hillary's brainpower, but if she should run, i will probably change my party affiliation to independent. host: why is that? caller: i just cannot go through another hillary campaign. host: thank you. we go to tammy joining us from minnesota. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with the last two callers.

i was a pretty supporter, but i did vote for hillary. i like harris and amy amy klobuchar and al franken. host: thank you. approvalton has a 75% rating among democrats, an to be the mission first female president and a personal grievance against president trump, whose supporters have never warmed up to her. eyedas a steely determination to defeat mr. trump. she has two years to go over what she did wrong and take her on again. richard nixon came back from his last to john f. kennedy at one the presidency in 1968. he will be a model for winning again." back to your phone calls.

so is kim. -- next up is kim. good morning. you are on the phone. caller: i am in a big metropolis of here. registeredm a independent. the last election, i voted straight democrat. thing is, i am a great supporter to the point when he was topaigning, i donated close $900 for his campaign, because i believe in bernie sandersd. he was authentic, he was true. herary clinton, she sticks finger in her mouth, puts it up to the wind, and figures it out. i grew up in southwest detroit, and i witnessed what nafta, bill clinton's most favorite trait status of china -- trade

of china did to the united states. treat with, all of the plants, not just the assembly line. as soon as bill clinton, who i voted for twice -- i thought he was a democrat. i did not know he was a republican. remainruns, i will independent. whoever they put up, you know -- because donald trump is a traitor, and he is just an awful human being. democrats only, hillary clinton, should she run in 2020? gretchen, from long island, new york, what do you think? caller: i sure hope she runs again. i have been working on her campaign since she ran for the first time, since she was first

lady of arkansas, then of the united states. she ran for the toughest seat in went on tone twice, become secretary of defense, and do not forget, she won by 3 million votes. hillary, do it again, and this time we will win. bye! bye! host: gretchen, are you still with us? we lost the caller, but i just want to clarify that she was secretary of state in the first four years of the obama administration. we will go to surely next in grass valley, california. good morning. caller: good morning. i definitely would vote for

elizabeth warren if she were running on the democratic ticket. i would vote for elizabeth warren. i would vote for bernie sanders, but i will for hillary clinton -- will not vote for hillary clinton. i think her time is over. i've do not have anything personally against her. i do not have any strong feelings about her politics. i think she has done a wonderful job as secretary of state, but warm,es not have a winning personality, in my opinion. host: ok. the "washington examiner" with the headline "hillary clinton will run again in 2020." last month, during an interview, she was asked about whether or not she had any interest in being president. [video clip] we are going to talk about

2020 in a minute. do you want to run again? ms. clinton: no. >> that was a pause. well, i would like to be president. [laughter] hopefully, when we have a democrat in office of january 2021, there will be so much work to be done, and we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. we have confused our friends and our enemies. they have no i get with the united states stands for, what we are likely to do, what we think is important. wouldrk would be work i feel very prepared for, having been a diplomat in the state department. it will be a lot of heavy lifting. >> will you be doing it again? ms. clinton: i have no idea. i am not going to even think about it, because through this november 6 election about what

is going to happen after that. host: hillary clinton about whether she has any interest in running again in 2020. your phone calls. luke in cambridge, mass. caller: good morning. my name is luke. i am a 15-year-old. after the most recent election, it is so important that we nominate someone in 2020 who represents the future of the democratic party, not the past. hillary clinton represents decades of establishing -- establishment. toneed a new, old elite are stand up to people and take our message and say hey, you know, we stand up for democrats, for the american people. host: luke, who is your candidate? caller: i am not sure. i love elizabeth. i think it is all going to be about who captures, like, that same spark that obama had 10 years ago.

host: do you have an interest in seeking elected office down the road? i know you are 15, not old enough to vote, but are you consider it? caller: i am always happy knocking on doors, making phone calls, trying to get people to vote for their best interests and the interest of the community. thank you for the call. we go to cedar keys, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. where i live, people here who never voted before came out to vote against hillary. i could hear them joking about it. "make sure you go and vote for " so her running brings up people who did not even vote the majority of their lives. when they say her name, it is like a bit into a lemon. tois toxic for our party have a woman or a person of color run for any office high up

in the state of florida. if you look at the difference of the vote for the senator who had maybe 20% of the vote and gillum, you can see democrats that i noted not even vote this term. they will not say it out louder, but that is how it is in the state and in rule areas. clinton, but i it turned in 1994, off a lot of people. as much as i think she would make a really great president, i do not think that is a possibility. host: thank you for the call. we go to richard next in missouri. good morning. caller: good morning. i tell you what, i was a burning man -- bernie man.

i think hillary really put a knife in his back. you know, the democrats had better change their ways, or the super delegate dems. that is nonsense, just like the deal that gets president. elizabeth warren, she would have made a good president at the time when she was before. she kind of let us down when she ran with hillary. there was a lady senator from california who was on that deal, and i kind of like her. host: kamala harris? caller: yeah. i think she would be a good one. we need to get some new blood. progressive democrats, i mean, either we are aggressive or we are not. this korean deal, let's bring all the people home. get out of taiwan, get out of

korea, get all of that money home, and spend some money on health care back here instead of going and having colleges all over the world. host: thank you for the call. from page of the "washington post," a national campaign as democratic leader nancy pelosi vies to become speaker again. just over a dozen democrats want to see a new face in that role. the other side of the "washington post," the president saying the report is due this week on the killing of jamal khashoggi. the administration's response, report, that the saudi prince was directly involved in the killing. reporting in the "washington post" led by shane harris and that the cia is skeptical of the finding. next is bill in california. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning. and thank you for being here, c-span.

i agree with the young lady who called and the young gentleman who called from the east coast. i was born and raised in philadelphia myself, though i don't miss the snow. s time hason' passed. it is a shame what happened in the election, but it is over. inre is a lot of new blood congress right now, and there are a lot of new people coming to the floor. and as the late effect, a lot of men will not vote for a woman, will not voteple for a person of color. this country is a mess, and unfortunately, we have a bunch running the show. that is all i have to say. she is a wonderful woman and incredibly intelligent and an astute person, but she does not make chocolate chip cookies for us, so some people are just sour on her. host: thank you, bill. this piece in the "wall street journal" indicating that hillary will be running again in 2020.

richard is joining us from california. your reaction this morning. caller: i would definitely vote for hillary again. bernie sanders, that whole thing won aernie, you know, he lot of caucus states. states where he won the caucus and they had a regular vote, hillary one. he would not have done as well as they had had a regular election, and he would have had to do the normal process as opposed to caucuses. and let somebody on the democratic party, maybe somebody unknown, i am thinking about the governor of colorado. i would probably go with the most experienced person, which would be hillary, if she decided to run. , mean, you know, technically you do not need to win florida, if we win the states that she lost by 80,000 votes -- wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania -- she can the

president. i think there is going to be such a firestorm of corruption and indictments on trial that the republican party will be just an absolute mess, which i think it is already. people are willing and needing a change to, i would say, take america back. some other dynamic, kind of modern democrat comes to the forefront, and hillary is on the ballot, i would definitely vote for her. host: thank you for the call. we will move on to katie in harrisburg, pennsylvania. again, we're hearing from democrats only. hillary clinton in 2020. your reaction? caller: yes, i will vote for hillary clinton. i love her. i have sisters who love her. i think she would make a good president. i have a sister who reminds me of hillary. but i love her. she will win. she will win. thank you. host: thank you.

tom in barrington, illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i am probably an outlier for my suggestions, but i believe hillary disqualified herself with the email server as secretary of state and the handling of benghazi, which was terrible. i think any of us who were at work would operate on our business from home emails, we would not -- i like hickenlooper and biden. thanks so much. host: by the way, our coverage of the miami book festival continues today. you can check it on her website at c-span.org. booktv, 48 hours of nonfiction books all weekend, and our coverage from miami, beginning later today. donna from ohio, good morning. caller: good morning. yes, i would not vote for hillary. bad thingso much the election.and

i was not for centers, but for the people to kind of get him a bad way in the democratic party. i like biden, and i also like sherrod brown in ohio. host: thank you. by the way, john kasich, the outgoing governor of ohio, was in manchester, new hampshire, receiving an award. we covered it lies. it is available -- we covered it live. it is available on our website. the road to the white house is already underway. let c-span viewer source of the candidates as they crisscrossed the country, especially in the key states of iowa, new hampshire, and elsewhere. we want to go back to the essay. "get ready for hillary clinton ..0

more than 30 years in the making, this new version of mrs. clinton, when she runs for president in 2020, will come to thercle back universal health care, promoting progressive firebrand of 1994. true to her name, mrs. clinton will fight this out until the last dog dies. she won't let a little thing like two stunning defeat stand in the way of her claim to the white house." host: june from north carolina, go ahead. caller: i am not from ohio. host: i know, go ahead. caller: i already have my hillary 2020 bumper sticker. she won the election. she could not fight putin and trump at the same time. she won the election. she won by over, what, 3 million votes? she is the most qualified person

in america to be president. i am running a hillary clinton bumper sticker now. june, can she win if she is facing donald trump in 2020? caller: she won the last time. if you can get putin and russian out of there and let mueller do his job, then, like i said, she won the last time. what more do you want from the woman? host: thank you. we go to katie in new jersey. caller: hi. host: you are on the air, katie. caller: i think it is great that hillary clinton is running a second time. we should admire her perseverance and a but the same time, she will be facing dollar donald trump, and i think if the democrats want to get someone in the white house, we should take a different path to do so. host: who should that person b is not hillary clinton? caller: i am not sure.

right now, i think we should do beto. host: thank you for the call. good morning. caller: good morning. host: you are on the air. caller: yes, i would vote for hillary in 2020. i think she deserved the seat. she has worked very hard to get where she is, and i think she deserves a shot. i think a lot of women blame hillary for bill clinton's wrongdoing. she is not to blame for what he did. thank you. host: thank you. mary from north augustine, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning. host: you are on the air. go ahead, mary. caller: i do not think hillary should run again. i specifically spent my vote in 2016 to vote against her, but i did not vote for trump. i do not think she should run again. i am sick of her.

i have been around for many, many years, and i do not want her running again. host: mary, thank you for the call. mike, you get the next call, joining us from connecticut, good morning. caller: good morning. i would not vote for hillary if she was the only one running, and she is not going to get the nomination. michelle obama will be getting it. hillary is just like a fall guy, is set up so we get used to a woman running. michelle obama, i would bet everything i own on it. host: why is it? why do you think the former first lady will run in 2020, michelle obama, i mean? caller: if you just watch the different stations right now, they are doing documentaries on her. they are building her up slowly. now when the democratic party cannot find anyone -- right now they have no one. joke,eth warren is a

there is no credible person running. so now, maybe in about a year, we say oh, we have michelle. everybody loves michelle. there is no doubt that she will be running. [laughs] caller: marcus on your calendar. i have been saying this for a year. now i am being reinforced by everything that is on television. how wonderful she is, how she pulled herself up from her bootstraps. she went to an ivy league college, but she was just an average poor person that everybody loves. host: mike, thank you for the call. we go to joe in oklahoma city. good morning. caller: thanks for having me on. the biggest mistake that the democrat party could do right now is to push hillary clinton. we have to keep in mind that despite her walking away from all of her crimes, which were is actually a big

corporate person. she is wall street 100%. if you look at her finances, there is opensecrets.org. if everybody goes out there and. hillary clinton, you can see the class that buys her. we need bernie sanders to bring this home, 100% people find it. opensecrets.org and. look up hillary clinton or she will not work for the people she will lie and work for wall street, like she always has done. host: joe, do you think bernie sanders will run in 2020? caller: 100%. look at the number of young people voting, campaigning. on election day, bernie sanders had a 20% lead on trump.

hillary not, like, and 8%. the truth of the matter is many of those bernie voters like what trump said, but then when trump got to office comed, he did just the opposite. host: thank you. we go to dane. good morning. caller: how are you, sir? i wish we could put up bernie sanders instead of hillary. host: you would not support hillary clinton? haver:no no, i would rather bernie sanders. article. can read the "hillary will run again." "washington journal" is again tomorrow. we have president and ceo of the network for health innovations

to talk about health care issues and its future. neta crawford will be here to talk about the cost of war since 9/11 for the monday edition of the "washington journal." a reminder from our live coverage of the miami book festival continues today on c-span2. up next.rs" is i hope you enjoy your week ahead. at a great weekend. -- have a great weekend. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> here is what is ahead today on c-span, the next is newsmakers. the incoming chair of the house transportation committee. he talks about infrastructure projects and democratic

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and shot. he was shot and died on the airstrip. one defector guy. and i was shot five times on the right side of my body. bone out of my arm, a wound in my leg. was, oh my god, i'm 28, this is it. >> tonight that 8:00 eastern. coming up thanksgiving weekend on c-span, on c-span, thursday at 8 p.m. eastern supreme court justice followed by chief justice john roberts. they discuss.m., the opioid epidemic. saturday at 8 p.m. eastern photojournalists talk about

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america's founding story. sunday at 9 a.m. constitutional scholars talk about how the u.s. constitution defines impeachable offenses by the president. thanksgiving weekend on the c-span networks. >> this week on "newsmakers," congress member peter defazio, ranking member of the house transportation committee. also with us in the studio, tanya schnider. go ahead with the first question. >> let's start by asking about the infrastructure plan. you plan to start off the session with trying to get the infrastructure plan through. not unlike the one donald trump couldn't get through congress. the politics of why you think