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center for politics to talk about the 2020 presidential field. later, we discussed a nice c-span's original program, the senate, conflict and compromise, with a c-span producer. ♪ host: "the washington post" from homelandals security are supposed to be part of a security briefing of the leaders of the house and senate today. is supposed to fund border security so that the federal government can reopen. it is on this day that utah senator elect mitt romney released an op-ed sharply criticizing president trump's handling of the presidency,

saying he has not risen to the mantle of the office. we will read you other portions and invite you to comment. pcm "-- the piece in "washington post" is called "how my president saves character." here is what he had to say. --n he won the election

and president should elevate the --ional discourse host: that is just some of the thoughts from mitt romney from the piece in "washington post -- howard president shapes public character." call, want to give us a to o2-748-8000.

our twitter feed is at @ .-spanwj some of the responses from the op-ed -- the chief one comes from the campaign manager for president trump's reelection campaign. "the truth is mitt romney lack the ability to save this nation. gorkaalso, sebastian saying -- payne -- , charles

host: that is just some of the reaction to the piece this morning. we'll get your reaction starting n, springfield, illinois, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: first of all, happy new year to you. i do not get "washington post" because i live in illinois and i only get "the times," but fully support the vein mr. romney has taken in his editorial. i hope he keeps up his service to the country in such a manner as far as being honest about what is transpiring in the trump administration. it won't really, you know,

change their policies or influence them to think differently, but i still hope that there is a republican who actually stands up and says what needs to be said about the way that the trump administration's -- the direction they are pointing in. host: ok. let's go to bob from utah. democrats line. steeves.his is bob will do a pretty good job because president trump ofeverything that 99% americans were taught not to act or not to be like. i, for one, cannot imagine country voting

for a man to does not represent any of us, our actions, our feelings. host: since the senator elect represents you, why do you think he will do a good job? is it because of this op-ed particularly? caller: he is an honest man. he acts like americans should act. he is not a bully. he does not put people down with problems. he does not make fun of women's looks. he is just a horrible person. utah --at is bob in some of the responses off the social media feed, particularly facebook, chris saying "perhaps he should have said this before the election." trump's character was not a secret."

host: that is just some of the reaction off of our facebook page. you can also respond on twitter if you wish. again, this is from the piece of senator elect mitt romney this morning, "how a president shapes public character," where he offers criticism. flushing, new york. a continuation of what he and obama said -- he is unpresidential. openow that trump was an book for everybody. we knew before the election what kind of personality he is, and what we got after the election is the same thing. for me, trump has not changed a bit. he was the same person before the election.

the problem is it was not easy to be a president for everybody, barack obama or other presidents . it is a hard job. romney talking about this man as if we do not know him, it is not true. we know who he was, and who he is now. if you want to support him and move on, we can do that, and if not you can do that. if you want to help them, he will succeed. you want to cut him down, he will fail. i do not take much from romney anyway. has gonet of the op-ed on to praise some of what the president has done.

host: again, it is online if you want to read it for yourself --"how a president shapes public character" off the washington post's website. holly. caller: happy new year, pedro. i appreciate c-span for everything. it has been quite an adjusting time. i actually like romney for some reason. i like president trump also and obama.-president there is just so much going on. signingtill, like, these spying bills. we always want to provide lip service to people. host: to the opinions of senator elect romney, what you think of those? caller: i really don't have any

judgment at this time because i want to see what he does as a senator. host: do you agree with the assessment he offers a president trump? caller: not really. is doingresident trump a good job, but when you look at his record, there have been some spying bills passing. it is lip service. this is both parties. ,ost: we will go on to ed washington, d.c. democrats line. caller: i would like to make the announcement that romney never used trashing language against the american people and he abided by the rules. this is a fact. thank you, pedro. the united states of america is the only country in the world election systems --

system, -- you have the electoral system, 238 and the popular vote. i swore on the bible i would protect the bible from foreign and domestic enemies. host: i appreciate that, but senator elect romney, would you specifically think about what he had to say? say is what he had to the truth. i think he says the truth according to his own mind. as i say, he never had a dirty mind and he never trashed this country. the united states of america is under this constitutional crisis. host: ok. let's hear from stephen in connecticut. independent line. caller: mitt romney is spot on. on the positive side, i do agree

with pressuring china over the stealing of intellectual property, and he does get credit for the criminal justice bill. that was so underrated. that was a great way of compromise. for can be an opening salvo negotiations. romney, i am hopeful, can be the opening salvo for negotiations with the trump administration. host: what you mean by that? caller: i mean it is almost like how they deal in real estate. they go back and forth. he has to, with a hard position on the administration. you know what, bring back the earmarks, and maybe romney could help do that. wall golike to see this up, he maybe trade for some -- host: stephen, what you think

about the op-ed and what it might say about how mitt romney might conduct himself in the senate and deal with the issues president trump wants to see done? caller: i think mitt romney is a negotiator. i think this call on his character is softening the ground for negotiations. host: that is stephen in connecticut. george conway, the husband of kellyanne conway, adds this to the conversation off of twitter when it comes to mitt romney's piece -- --t: host: eric columbus also saying --

clay in louisiana. hello. caller: good morning. yes. fineromney is a decent, man, but in my opinion he blew it when he ran against obama. he had his chance. i think he will make a good senator, and that is where he belongs. host: would you think about his comments on president trump? caller: well, some of it is correct. i think trump has not really been given a chance since day one. everything from the deep state to most of the media has been against him, and he is the president of the united states, and i think he should have been given a fair chance. he has his flaws. he is a businessman. othera lot like the

republicans we have had for years. i think mr. romney is entitled to his comments, but i think he is off base. host: do you think mitt romney is giving them a fair chance, then? trump: well, president has been in office, what, going into his third year? he has had a chance to evaluate his performance, and that his opinion. he is entitled to his opinion, but i think he is wrong. host: ok. let's go to debbie. demi in michigan on the independent line. caller: i am from michigan. i am from the state mitt romney grew up in, and i also know scott romney, mitt's brother very well. i am familiar with the family. . have a different take

the romney family was involved inting fish in putting trump office. some selected roma romney mcdaniel. he is positioning himself as an opposition. very concerning point about the romney family. i know this through personal expense. they are also very deeply involved with russian intelligence. when i was because married to my former husband, he became a russian asset after in ang involved import/export company in michigan that scott romney was also involved. host: aside from that personal

story, back to the positioning of mitt romney, to what end? if mitt romney is establishing himself as you think he is, to what end? caller: he is going to try to run in 2020 four president and will position himself as being trump, but they will be working behind the scenes together. sets coming in, trying to himself apart, when he is really not. he is part of the whole agenda. host: you made that point. we will go to kenneth from arkansas. democrats line. hello. --ler: yes, it is one thing once mitt romney gets in and starts doing what he has to do as a senator, i wonder if he's going to take on the task that mitt -- mitch mcconnell's wife

works in the cabinet -- the whole pay for play thing. looking at why mitch mcconnell is playing to president trump the way he is. host: back to mitt romney's piece, what did you think of his assessment of what president trump has done in the office? caller: he talked about him and that luncheon, and he came out -- thought he was going to get a job. he is going to say what he has to say. if he has a backbone to stand up for the truth and try to go ahead and uphold the constitution, he needs to look at what mitch mcconnell's wife a job, andven her mitch mcconnell is not saying the 51g, and he reduced votes to get the judges and to the supreme court. host: ok. hil, missouri,

republican line. caller: yes, good morning. concerning romney's op-ed, did he make this kind of statement when trump was supporting him while he was running for senate? i don't think he did. host: say that again. you got a bit garbled. could you repeat that, please? caller: yes, did romney, with a statement like this while trump was supporting him when he ran for senate? i don't think he did. then for him to get elected and how make that kind of statement about national -- about -- host: he hung up the line. when mitt romney won the office for the senator from the state of utah, it was president trump putting out this tweet at this time

this is when he was announcing his campaign. mitt romney responded at the time and willt romney won start serving this week. bob is next. bobby in missouri, hello. caller: hello. his romney is entitled to opinion, but i disagree with his opinion. promises made, promises kept. we finally have a man in the white house that has the backbone and will stand up and do what is right for the american people. i am sorry mr. romney disagrees with that, but that is, kind of,

-- added, and for i will vote for him again in 2020. i think he has done a fine job. host: in your opinion, what was wrong with mr. romney's assessment? caller: well, like i said, that is his opinion, and i think the man is doing a fine job. -- that is fine. promises made, promises kept. thank you. host: james. mount clemens, michigan. caller: yes. romney is -- as a republican can stand up and tell the truth. no matter what party, if the

president is not being -- doing the work of a president, he needs to be told that. host: what was it about mr. --thats thoughts that he you agree with? caller: i agree with everything he said. the office of president is not the office of king or a dictator. he has to be for all people, not just his party. by romney being a republican, i believe he stood up to him, and i praise him for that. host: that is change in michigan. breitbart, off the breitbart website, has a profile of mitt romney in release of this -- off the release of this op-ed.

host: that is from breitbart's website this morning. this is gilbert. democrats line from detroit michigan. -- detroit, michigan. "letr: romney's article detroit go bankrupt," was

another article he probably published for "the weekly standard" before they went out of business. he basically wants some adults in the room, and he is accusing trump of not being an adult, and he thinks that might be appealing to trump's case. it is a political move for probably running for president in 2020. his famous article about "let and now hebankrupt," has another article on record. host: about this article, do you agree or disagree? that the issues that trump has, the character is his, the language he uses is in question. he is right in a lot of ways. now will it get him the political mileage is intending to get is another question. you have to remember, trump's base is pretty much loyal.

even though they are both millionaires, it is funny how one million or can appeal to a certain group and another millionaire cannot. it is political posturing on romney's part. it makes a valid point. whether it gets a political point is another question. host: "the atlantic" takes a look at the senator elect and what utah expects from him as he gets sworn in on thursday. the article says "you talk's deciding the idiosyncratic political landscape

host: you can read more at "the --"what utahsite voters really want from mitt romney." jerry in tennessee. republican line. caller: thank you for c-span. i do not particularly like romney's comments. i think he is politically

correct and stands in trump's way. that is why he lost, why john mccain lost, and why 95% of the republican base will support president trump and probably why he will get reelected because trump will stand up and have a backbone. host: caller, are you still there? caller: yes, sir. host: you cut out for the second part of your comments. go ahead. 95% of themp has republican base, and he is signaling that he will be in opposition to president trump. that is why truck got elected, to go in there and make changes. . host: sean humphrey off of twitter says host: then jeffrey allen off twitter saying mitt romney could not win the office, so his comments carry no weight.

host: you can make comments on twitter, on facebook, on alliance lines -- on the are joining us, what we are talking about is the comments from the senator elect his utah, mitt romney, and op-ed in "the washington post," "how a president shapes public criticism" offering of the president in office. robert in massachusetts. caller: two i for taking my call. i think the comment romney made is right, but the comment the lady said, he only said it to satisfy his base. that is what makes religion 30, he has to show -- dirty.

he has to show a different character. issue there. that is why people are so sick of politicians and religion right now. thank you. host: from john on our independent line in windsor, connecticut. hello. caller: how are you doing? happy new year. romney is speaking of because everybody knows trump is vengeful and the other republicans are not saying a word right now. it is just like the time --sident -- trump www.c-span.org -- [indiscernible] trump did not have the courage to put up with these people. the democrats are trying to help trump fulfill his promise, have mexico pay for the wall. host: do you agree with senator romney's comments? caller: yes, i agree.

trump is not right all the time. he has so much on his plate with and if trumprobe, wants a wall, don't worry, mall will provide him with three walls and a door. host: this is from mitt romney this morning -- host: again, those are just some of the comments this morning. a longer piece you can read online or if you get "washington it isin paper version," from the romney, "how a president shapes public

character." ohio.is next from cincinnati. caller: high, there. host: yes. caller: my name is david mccullough, and i have learned most of the stuff revolves around money -- mitt romney is very wealthy. challenged -- i ran and challenged the governor 20 years ago. the policies do not count, it is the money that greases the system. host: how does that address governor romney's statements this morning? caller: romney is part of the establishment, as people mentioned earlier, and the establishment as their standing in the way. when republicans had all three branches of government they could not get much done because the honorable senator mccain and others did not support -- there are weaknesses trump has.

when nancy pelosi have the government, they got obamacare through and did things that were strong for the democrat party. they were unified. republicans are not unified. what specifically mitt romney has to say, how much do you agree with it or disagree with it? caller: i think he is a good person, but he was hurt when he had that 47% statement. can you tell me what the criticism was? host: we offered several throughout the morning. i am just asking how much you agree with it or disagree with it. caller: well, i agree with some of the things that he says -- trump needs to be held -- i did not even know what is going on with russia. romney was very intellectual and brilliant on the russia thing in is a threat, and people thought that was funny

and agreed with obama. " --ch'sudicial jeff flake, the outgoing senator from arizona, host: lacey in bristol, tennessee. democrats . -- democrats line. caller: yes? and my online. -- ami online? host: go ahead. much for do not have

mid romney, a candle that burns at both ends. he does not care for trump. i hope he does run for president. is at 40% of the population, if anyone like romney runs against him, it will take it away from him. host: do you agree with mitt romney's comments? caller: he talks from both sides of his mouth. host: two what mitt romney had to say about president trump, what do you specifically agree with? it is ai agree that fact president trump is not being very presidential at all. that is what i agree with. host: that is lacing in tennessee. other news to tell you about -- efforts with the government shutdown, this is about the meeting that will take place today, saying it was unclear whether the wednesday session

would break the budget impasse as of this writing. host: again, that legislation scheduled to be unveiled this week as democrats take control of the house. our capitol hill producer giving his thoughts on what he is seen

on capitol hill about day 12 of the congress. the house returns at new and the senate at 4:00 p.m. this afternoon with no votes we noted that with the president of the united states and the department of homeland security. caller: dave is next. he is in michigan. independent line. go ahead. host: good morning. -- caller: good morning. not only do i agree with mitt, i happen to agree with some of the things he has said in the past. from my life expense -- mitt romney made the comment that he is a can't -- con man. he is jumping with con.

that --that recognizes it is hard to watch. if we have this conversation -- i think c-span should continue this with comments made by high-profile generals and other people that are calling out trump's connection to the truth. lies to usles and every day trying to get points across. host: what do you think senator romney's comments will do in the long run? thatr: well, i do think romney, and i do think he will get support -- he is positioned himself for a challenge. republicans who think trump has a chance need to look at this last midterm. that was a strong response to trump. those numbers were pretty big. i don't think he has a chance. i think corruption's will,. corruptions will come out. i think mitt is positioning

himself. host: you mean for a 2020 run? caller: a challenge. i think mitt will be there. kasich will be there, too. i don't think trump has a chance in heck. i think some of the comments the generals have made our scathing as well. host: you made that point could we have to move on to robert. robert on our republican line. utah.s from millville, hello. caller: hello, c-span. thank you for taking my call. 'ss, i have a comment on mitt comments and the terminology he used has not risen to the mantle of president. term, "a religious receiving the mantle of leadership" which is a common

term in the lds church. that mantle is bestowed upon a person from god and is not bestowed upon a person from men. host: as far as the specifics mitt romney had to say about president trump, what do you agree with or disagree with about that? caller: president trump called mitt romney a stiff, and he comes across that way in his presentations. he is not able to connect with people. he has a holier than thou people, and hes condescends down to people. he certainly doesn't have the leadership qualities that trump has. trump has been honest.

the media has portrayed him as a liar and other disparaging characteristics. honest man,p is an and the evangelicals of this country have rallied around him, as have the republicans who are of a constitutional nature, who believe in the constitution. romney is a person who takes advantage of a situation and above otherhimself people. host: ok. that is robert in utah offering his thoughts this morning. others include the continued -- contributing editor for the website dissent.

host: len, in new york. democrats line. caller: good morning. the metaphorsw me -- with a few cents out of my monthly cable bill, i am watching this on channel 77. it is similar to the opening scene in "gone with the wind." you have a few white guys arguing about the quality of the cucumber sandwiches while everyone else is working in the field. the difference being whites and blacks together are being shafted by the people in the white -- big house. what mittanalogy to

romney is writing about, make those connections. caller: the connection is of course anyone who thinks trump is an honest person is an imbecile and listens to rush limbaugh, perhaps. i don't know. you have one guy lying about another guy, both of whom have lied in the past. betweenerence goes george bush -- goes back to george bush. george bush could not look at the camera and live. he had to look at the ground. host: do you agree or disagree with mitt romney? caller: of course i agree with mitt romney. was able touy who lie looking straight at the camera. the difference with trump, he does not even know he is lying. host: debbie. caller: good morning, c-span. i agree with the president. helpnk he is trying to

american people. is is a globalist. he isn't for the american people. all of these people that are democrats and republicans, they are not for the american people. they want us to be invaded. they want us to be slaves. host: when it comes to mitt romney's statements, what do you disagree with? caller: i disagree with his disrespect for the president's office. donald has tried to reach out to anyone that would reach back out to him. i think it is very disrespectful. i think mitt romney is a stiff and i think he walks like nancy pelosi. host: when it comes to the peace , what is disrespectful about it? caller: i think it is disrespectful to the president's office. everyone is piling on.

the news will not do journalism. andas in the u.k. court they said hillary clinton and the dnc made up that dossier. host: this is the associated u.s. from tijuana saying customs and border said in a --tement tuesday the statement said that agents saw toddler-sized children being passed over wire with difficulty.

host: again, that is some of the video that is part of this event that took place -- purported by the associated press, according -- occurring on the border with tijuana. we're talking about the piece "how a president shapes public ," from the senator elect mitt romney offering criticisms of president trump's time in office. for the remaining 15 minutes or so of this segment -- host: from our twitter feed this morning -- a tree of our facebook page --

some of thes comments coming from our various social media feeds. from georgia. democrats line. good morning. you're next. this is diane. caller: good morning. yes. i just cannot believe all of the people still supporting donald trump. i don't care if it is 30% or 40%. it is insane. that is creepier to me and more disturbing than the things that donald trump does. host: our focus this morning is mitt romney's comments. what you think about that? caller: i think that he is absolutely right. host: specifically how? caller: well, good grief, he -- i have never seen or heard of a president in the history of the country

acting like the president does. he acts like a petulant child. emotionally unstable -- you don't need someone like that in charge of the nuclear football. he is unfit to serve mentally, spiritually, morally, everything. host: ok. that is diane in georgia. from "washington times" this is a spin off of --

host: the article goes on to say host: brooklyn, new york. this is harry. hello. caller: hello. how are you? host: how are you? go ahead. caller: 95% of republicans

support president trump, so i don't really see what good comes out of romney's comments. i mean, what is he trying to achieve? host: how would you answer that question? caller: well, i can see what he is trying to achieve. 95% of the party supports its leader, the president, and romney is not unifying -- he is doing exactly what he accuses trump of not doing. trump is not unified. one of the 5% coming out to undermine the position of the 95%. how is that unifying? host: go ahead. harry, go ahead. caller: yes, can you hear me all right? host: yes, continue on with your thought. caller: the other thing he says is trump is a phony or a fraud. what is he saying -- trump is not the president, he is

actually a janitor or something? what does it mean he is a phony or a fraud? he wast time i looked elected by millions of americans. i am not sure what he means by he is a phony or a fraud. host: michael is next. california. republican line. caller: romney had his 2013 when moment in he said 47% of people do not pay taxes. he will not be able to be there public and nominee. trump was the same as he was two years ago as he is today. , he was forar ago trump, or two years ago, and now he is not. romney is the one you cannot trust is he is not transparent. host: democrats line. tyrone. good morning from philadelphia.

caller: good morning. this is about the character of the office and the character of the country. throwing get into around just words and statements. this nation isf being looked upon globally. what president have you ever tv, the global like he ising them doing, using the word "suck" and saying things that are not of this country's character. this country was built -- i'm a veteran -- was built on character. what has happened to the country's character? saying running for trump's seat. he is talking about the man. don't get it mixed -- where do

we go from here in reference to he wants to run. he is talking about the character of the man and the character of our nation. this is important to the whole world. he is just not meeting up to the character of the office. host: tony is next in florida. republican line. caller: good morning. i think romney is being divisive, like the other man mentioned. he is using words and actually on what they are accusing trump of doing. trump, overall, is an honest person who gets some facts wrong. he has the good of the country at stake. romney with his statement is affecting trump doing what is good for the country. host: particularly, you find nothing right with mitt romney's assessment of president trump? caller: yet, basically, no.

i think he is wrong how he has said that. i think trump -- he has his ways, but you don't have to be a perfect person to do good things. that is what is being misled here. everybody expects someone to be perfect. someone who is a good or a tour -- obama was a good or a tour, but he was not a good person. -- orator, but he was not a good person. floridaat is tony in giving his comment this morning. the 116th congress set to come in. the senate is a focus of a new documentary from c-span. "the senate, conflict and compromise" will give you a behind the scenes look at the people that make it run every

day, finding out about the procedures, the history of the senate when it comes to the idea of conflict and cover myself in that body. if you want to go to our website right now on c-span, you can see at least he opening part of the documentary. you can take a look at it for yourself. it will give you a sense of what the documentary will talk about, and if you want to watch it, you can do so tonight at 8:00 p.m. on c-span. find out more when you go to our website at c-span.org. independent line. jerry in wyoming. hello. caller: hello. yet, i would just like to say president trump has exceeded the platform of the presidency. he has delivered 80% of what he said he was going to do, and that is why we elected him. host: when it comes to mitt romney's characterization of president trump, what do you think? caller: absolutely not. trump has risen above and exceeded that.

that platform that we have used completely used against us and the american people. i believe trump has risen to the occasion, and i think to four test, sometimes you have to go clear down to the bottom. if you are done with a rogue group of people, you have to be willing to get down in the gravel, the mud, and roll around with them and do the same thing they are doing in order to win. i think that he has done that. that is why we elected him. we were not looking for another mitt romney, or another hillary clinton, pretty boy, pretty girl, but do something for the american people and get america back to the point it was. thank you. host: jerry in wyoming. mitt romney said to become a member of the 116th congress.

commentsomments on the he made. again, that is from the president twitter feed's -- the president's twitter feed. caller: high, pedro. good morning, and happy new year. with respect to your question, i don't agree with mitt's comments. i voted for him when he ran against obama and i regret that now. i wonder why he doesn't spend time drafting bills important for our country, focusing on being a senator rather than

being a critic. comment, perhaps you can answer this or one of your callers -- why did he move from massachusetts to you talk? was it to become a senator? host: specifically to his criticisms, what do you not agree with mitt romney with? caller: i don't agree in general, but he shouldn't be criticizing the president before he has taken oath of office. one thing i admire about the democrats, they hang together. they don't criticize each other. they are unified. i admire that, and wish the republicans would stand together and get something done. host: when mr. romney says the president hasn't risen to the mantle of the office, what you think of that? caller: romney has not warned that mental, and if he is fortunate enough, let's see what he does rather than being a critic. host: you agree with that when it comes to the president?

caller: no, i don't. i think the challenges this president has faced our unique and unlike any another president has faced, including the border. who knows what romney would do -- let's see what he would do if there was a slew of immigrants that came into utah. host: lee. ohio. republican line. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am well, thanks. caller: i would like to say a comment about the situation. romney had his chance, and he shows himself just as much as the rest of the democrats and the republicans has in the past. they are all in one big circle. donald trump has risen to the occasion, i feel, and he has done everything he said he would do and would do. if they do not reach across i'll still meet hands and put their minds together, we will never get this world to where he needs

to be, or our nation to where it needs to be. you have the democrats pushing for the wall a few years ago and now they are totally against it. this is all to criticize donald trump and push him down because he is succeeding, and they cannot stand it. at the same time, this world can look right through romney. i don't agree with what he has to say. his wife is sitting there looking at his watch, what time is it and this thing? it is all a big hoax. he is trying to run for president in 2020. host: ok. one more call. dan from richmond, kentucky. democrats line. caller: yes. he lost hisromney, chance. -- donald trump is

a that cares for himself and his family. he does not care for the low class of people that is out here working hard. host: ok. that is dan in kentucky giving the last comment on the first hour. in our second hour, congress and the white house, particularly one of the things on top of the to do list for all of the parties involved is dealing with the shutdown that continues today. here's a talk about that and other issues are sahil kapur and katherine tully-mcmanus, who cover the white house and congress. they will give us their take of what is going on. that is coming up. later, we will take a look at 2020, particularly the

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into account in which no candidate wins a majority. tors in iraqrved and afghanistan as a u.s. brain before working for remains republican senator susan collins on a committee staff in washington, d.c. former congressman and case returns to congress, this time firstenting hawaii's district. he previously represented the second insert from 2002 to 2007. before that, he served as the .ouse majority leader mr. case is an attorney and cousin of aol cofounder steve case. new congress, new leaders. watch it all on c-span. >> "washington journal" continues. host: a discussion on the events in washington, d.c.. two guests joining us, sahil kapur of bloomberg news, international correspondent, and

katherine tully-mcmanus of roll call, a staff writer for that publication. thanks for joining us and happy new year. guest: happy new year. the house it comes to and senate side, katherine tully-mcmanus, talk about the potential of coming up with some type of resolve for this. guest: a couple have been desolate over the holidays. me and my colleagues have been up there. there have not been robust discussions that we have seen amongst many lawmakers trying to figure out a deal. it does not mean they are not happening behind the phones or behind closed doors. both house republicans and democrats will be heading to the white house for what they are calling a briefing on the immigration issue. i think that will be a very interesting discussion, although trump has said that some of the things house democrats have laid out have been nonstarters, including tupac is that they thursday -- on including the plant that they plan to vote on on thursday

. the first will be on six of the seven uncompleted spending bills . mostly in the same provisions, only a few tweaks calling the minor changes to those bills. the second vote will be a continuing resolution only for the department of homeland security. that takes the wall issue and pushes it down the road for more discussions, and hopefully they can hash out a deal on that. sahil kapur, a briefing on the committee, what does that say about the white house trying to resolve the issue? 2: the white house wants to appear as if they are negotiating. calling it a breathing, not really a discussion.

where we are right now is still at a dead stop, negotiations between the two sides. democrats are going to take over the house tomorrow, i believe, and they will pass legislation pretty easily, i think, through the house. and not fund president trump's wall. senate republicans come up before the break, they passed what would perhaps prevent a shutdown without funding the wall, then the president issued a veto threat, and that is when leaders got behind him. first act ofs speaker will be to invite a shutdown with mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, and the senate. we will see how that turns out. republican leaders are behind president trump. they are backing him. they do not want to put the president in a position of having to veto a bill in the first place. host: do you know if it is still at the same figure? guest 2: the $5 billion prorated per year, yes. withhite house is sticking

$3.2 billion and fencing, not a concrete wall that the president has said he also wants. i do not see how you resolve that. host: miss tully-mcmanus, on the side, what faces them? guest 1: mitch mcconnell has said they will not take up legislation president trump will not sign. the only once viable -- he only wants viable options. and authority taken action, which is an interesting twist, but it is the people that the republicans are in. int: will the republicans the senate side hang together on this, do you think? guest 1: i think they will. theng the backing of president is important to them, but there are always surprises on capitol hill. [laughs] guest 2: you may see a few doing

what it takes to open the government. there are a number of republican senators who are facing temperate elections. we are now in a different cycle. i expect the senate republicans to remain pretty firmly behind it wa big president. if they adjust what they are willing to accept, that will help shape, but until that happens, we are at an impasse. host: if you want to ask our , particularlyns when it comes to the government shutdown, democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. an independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also tweet us @cspanwj. that last comment you made come a factor in mitt romney. guest 2: mitt romney wrote a scathing op-ed in the "washington post," in which he says the president is not rise to the mantle of his office.

it was a very fear set of criticisms that provoked in response, to go from the president on twitter, saying he should focus more on immigration and border security. he asked the question "will he be a flake?" referring to the now retired senator jeff flake of arizona. we should not assume yet that senator romney, senator electronic, i should say, is going to be a thorn in the hesident's side, because praised the president on signature items, including corporate tax cuts and conservative judges. is he going to be someone who obstructs the president's agenda and stands with democrats to oppose him on things like immigration ? guest 1: i also think it is really an interesting parallel that jeff flake's vocal

criticism of the president came in the waning days of his final term, because he had nothing really to lose, whereas incoming senator is up for a wild, so he has almost a parallel freedom that flake did. we will hearng reports that are once again teargas being used on the order range ofigrants of a ages, including children, who were allegedly throwing rocks at border patrol. and i think you will see lawmakers threading the needle between concerns over that demonstration of force against migrants and support for the president's border wall. guest 2: a point, if i may come about flake, because senator flake only began flexing his

muscle after the lame-duck session when he basically said redline, i will not support any new judicial confirmations, which was a top priority for the republican leader, until it is brought to a vote, and it was not. he prevented a single new judge from being confirmed in the last few months, which mcconnell wanted to do. host: we will start with luna in kentucky, democrats line. you are on with our guests. good morning. go ahead. caller: i have a question and a comment. pelosi, whenever she wanted to get something passed, she went in there and talked with all of her constituents that she wanted to get a vote so that we could never have a republican president. why she would me even do something like that for? she is not right in the head. thank you. ms. tully-mcmanus, the

you want to add anything to that? guest 1: i have not heard about that, one of the primary roles of a leader in the house is to party, and especially when there is an opposition party in the white house, they will be putting up a strong base for democrats in 2020. nancy pelosi will have a large, vocal role in promoting a wide range of democratic candidates that were expected for 2020. i have not heard about those comments. guest 2: on ap or intraparty level, i think the new -- on a level, i think the new democratic party will face an agenda like medicare for all, agenda that faces fossil fuel, and you will have democrats from purple or red districts -- remember, they are not unbalanced, and many will be looking for some distance from

the progressive wing from the party. but the fact that nancy pelosi gets to have her first fight on wall,the shutdown and the there is no democrat from the bluest of districts to the reddest of districts who cares about this wall, but they feel wall, soe about the you will see democrats united on the wall. host: how comfortable are they shutdown,ent with the and when does it come to much? guest 2: i have not seen any crexendo white house on this issue. if they are nervous, they are not showing it. immigration was his answer to voters in the 2016 election. ever since for the problems, he has blamed immigration, immigration laws, and migration, everything ranging from crime, lost jobs, to the opioid epidemic. for him to be seen as surrendering on this, i think you decided that is not politically viable. even if he and his party take

political heat for this shutdown, it will not be as bad as backing down. when will they be apple to reopen the government? it all depends on when he is able to say "i am not backing down." guest 1: the pain of this shutdown will only begin to be felt in the coming weeks, because over the holidays, federal workers already had scheduled time off and leave, and if you are on a certain pay schedule, the next a period -- pay period will be january 11, so not everyone has even miss a face check yet. we know -- missed a paycheck yet. we know the coast guard will be paid, but there is no guarantee they will be covered for the next one. host: is the house in the senate resolve whether that will be given? guest 1: the senate passed unanimous consent of a resolution to provide backpay to

federal workers. the house was already gone at that point for the holidays. they have not yet taken it up. i have not believe that in recent history they have left federal workers out to dry. something to consider is that federal contractors, which is an important share of the federal workers, is not guaranteed back the after a shutdown. host: let's hear from oceanside, new york, republican line. ian, caller: hello. pedro, good, morning to you and your guests and everything at "washington journal." was given his speech from ellis island, saying how immigrants will always be welcome, of course, we want immigrants like officer s ingh coming from fiji, but he andkilled by an illegal, now the sanctuary city policies good illegals and immigrants will turn into that was -- we just found out there arrestedother people

helping this guy get out of town, get back to mexico, so the wall needs to be built. i am in the coast guard. border patrol, 16,500 i.c.e. a -- thethe for terminal fraternal brotherhood of cops, everybody backed president trump for a reason. when people like schumer's of awol does not work, a wall does not work for the democrats, because it is a full small player, it will stop people from just jumping over a fence, which works. it works for the democrats. america,ot work for but it works for the democrats, a fence. host: ian, thank you very much. guest 2: the sanctuary city debate is an age-old one that hits conservatives, not only progressives, but a number of mayors tell them if

you cut off funding or you require law enforcement to go after undocumented people, you are taking away an avenue that law enforcement has to gain information. in other words, if you are trying to knock on somebody's door and they are worried that there are i.c.e. agents behind them, they will not get the information tour de force conservatives say local citizen -- unique local cities and cooperation -- say you need local cities and cooperation to get what you want to both sides give away what they want and what they don't want. is where the local meets the national, and you have sahil wasons, like are at law enforcement august with their representatives, and that definitely poses an issue, and it has driven some lawmakers to

connect on this issue with her constituents and really listen. host: with the incoming of the congress, a couple of other pieces of business. does nancy pelosi have the votes to become speaker of the house formally? guest 1: i believe she does, but it is not always surprise me the stuff that happens on capitol hill. i do believe house democrats, including the incoming new members, have resigned themselves to the fact that nancy pelosi will be their leader. i also think that she is listening to her caucus, and she could enact some changes to how the congress operates in order to include those voices and make sure they are not cut out of discussions. apur, you k wrote a piece about nancy pelosi's job and what that will be presented pelosi herself. guest 2: exactly. they expect a 90 to 95 members.

theirntend to flex muscle, at the incoming chair put it to me, they will vote on things like a green new deal, to address climate change, although it did not have everything they want it to be, and then there are others, conservative leaning democrats, the centric new democrats, the blue dogs, who are going to want to shift away from that sort of thing. you will see a lot of tension there. josh, cochair of the caucus, put it to me, we will see some tension between these two factions, because these groups that i mention of the number and dozens and dozens of democrats. they have the vote to prevent democrats from doing big, bold things, and they want monumental piece of legislation that can become law. they do not want to do big, bold messaging. congress house freedom

and some of the trouble it cause republicans from time to time. guest 1: i think there definitely are parallels, but i'm not sure we will see -- i think their method is very different. the house freedom caucus, we saw been voting things down whereas cortez sitting in nancy pelosi's office to demand votes on issues, climate change. when i think about the house i cannotaucus members, see them except on the vote with their floor and their voices, i think you can see the progressive caucus rally on the steps of the capital in the coming years and things like that. it is a totally different style. with anthey understand opposition white house, the stakes are different. i asked the progressive caucus incoming cochair about that.

as you can imagine, the argument is that the freedom caucus is a group of no, and they are a group of yes. will copy someone come of the freedom caucus, which is sticking together, denying passing legislation until their demands are met. words, they will use every piece of legislation -- leverage they can find. how far they push remains to be seen, whether they go directly after below see the way the freedom caucus went after their leadership remains to be seen. host: let's go to tony and connecticut. hi there. caller: how are you doing today? question.omment and a my question is -- we do not remember history, in november of last year, the democrats, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, and the panel, they'll met in the white

house in november, and they gave trump all that money that they asked for. aide told him, is not to do that because his party would not vote for it, and that is exactly the reason we are in this predicament right now, and we do not look good, because he is listening to stephen miller, and stephen miller should be fired. host: ok, tony, thank you. guest 1: tony has a great memory for history. there was a deal on the table porterding for trump's in conjunction with the deal to protect dr. recipient, deferred action for childhood arrivals, those again here illegally but as children, so they were not responsible for their own.

and itt deal was hinked, remains to be seen whether something like that still could come together. i have not heard specifics of anything like that. i am are interested to see if that comes back to the table, especially since stephen miller is an influential voice in the white house right now. guest 2: there was a bipartisan deal in 2018 of the senate between senator -- and senator king. you need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. wouldiece of legislation have codified the daca program, given these young, undocumented people after citizenship, and given trump $25 billion for the wall. democrats caves, which was a big step for them, and they did i t against the screaming flanks. what they demand it was legal immigration cuts, the

, the visa lottery, and democrat said we were not put this in the context of daca. the deal was on the table, and the white house seriously led to senateich republican leaders opposing it and the vast majority of republicans preventing it from coming up. now the price of negotiations have gone up, and you see them backing away from the wall in any form. host: and now they have leverage. guest 1: yes, trying to strike any deal that they can get that needs to go through a democratic house. you have that feel on the table with both chambers, and they control his party. host: if a compromise happens, how does the president's base respond? guest 2: the president has to get behind it and accept that he will not get everything he wants

in the context of a daca and a w all deal. there are things that democrats wanted to give up, that they voted unanimously, $46 billion to militarize the southern border, fencing, drum technology that would have made a huge difference and given conservatives what they want on border security, but house conservatives kill that built because they did not like the path for citizenship for the 11 million people who are here. how you resolved that remains to be seen. they have try for more than a decade, and it has not worked. host: sahil kapur, bloomberg news, we're also joined by katherine tully-mcmanus of roll call. anne from north carolina, you are next up. good morning. caller: good morning. republicans are really trying to full the american people. if the republicans wanted to do so, they could do so today using the nuclear option to vote on the wall and reopen the

government immediately. they have all of the branches as of today. of course it will change tomorrow, but if they really wanted to do it, they could. they voted for the tax cut, and they confirmed all the judges. so they really don't want it, and they know that they do not have the 51 votes in the republican party to do it. thank you. host: ms. tully-mcmanus, what do you think? guest 1: i think that is an interesting point. you have seen republicans able to push things through. i do not see this happening. i do not think it is because they do not want it. i think it is because they try to give the veneer of what they call regular order. i do not see them pushing that through today. the house is not even expected to be here today, so you need action from both chambers. i do not believe it will happen. host: and with the christmas break, a number of different senators going to the floor, specifically saying we cannot change roles to meet the demand.

guest 1: if you change the rules thehe game, then you lose majority, then you are subject to that rule change and may never get your voice heard again. and i think that is something that they are very wary to do. many senate republicans have come out against changing those rules. guest 2: the caller is right, though, that they have the power to do this. the reason they have not passed legislation to give president they want all is filibuster to remain in place, and that is a long-term thing. is that legislation, they were a democrats taking control of the house, taking control of the senate sunday, and the white house, that they will not be able to block some of the far-reaching progressive ideas that democrats have. medicare for all is the best example right now. tuition,ege

massive new investments in green jobs and renewable energy technology those are things democrats want to do. republicans want to preserve their ability to block those things once they are in the minority. host: bill, thanks for calling. i am calling to voice my full support for mr. trump. holding firm for that $5 billion. fact, they should revert to that $25 billion, and to answer the question from the guys from kentucky, mr. kapur came close and answered most of it or the andbillion deal was there would have relieved daca, what have put things in place to allow daca. what mr. kapur failed to visaon, yes, he wanted the lottery, but chuck schumer and

his lemmings also stuck into , they wanted to add that in, the chain migration portion of that bill, which was totally unacceptable and is unacceptable to me and many republicans and mr. trump. so as soon as chuck schumer decides he wants to play it straight, we might get a bill. in fact, i hope mr. trump reverts to that $25 billion. host: if the president accepts less than $5 billion, what would be your reaction, specifically? caller: i would not agree to it. until heot agree to it accepts a deal for $25 billion. host: ok, that is built from illinois. guest 2: a few points on this. like that are precisely who the president is talking to,

precisely why the shutdown occurred. the $25 billion over the wall is for 10 years. the $5 billion is one year. there is not much of a contradiction there. this point about chain migration in that separate 2018 bill, there is nothing in that bill that schumer added in terms of chain migration. it is not like schumer said we want you to be able to sponsor your uncles, aunts, things like that, it was existing law. he did not change it. and it was senator mike brown from a republican, and senator angus king, an independent, who cut a bipartisan deal. there was nothing for progressives on the so-called it,n migration aspect of family-based migration, it was simply not putting back on it. otherwise i am not giving you daca. i think you addressed earlier that there were changes for were requested

additional legal migration, and that is what they refuse to go back on. guest 2: yes, it was the white house to wanted changes, not the democrats making changes. host: a little extra inside baseball for the 116th congress. every congress starts with rules. guest 1: i will say the house rules proposed package came out late last night, and i was up early this morning to be here, so i have not read the whole thing, but i do know it is much of what we have already heard. there are slight changes for how the house will operate on timing for votes and things like that. the real thing we are looking out for is in the new congress before, depending on the timeline affixing this shutdown, is april 1, which is tose republicans' big push

overhaul ethics, transparency, lobbying, money and politics, a huge package that we will see if that remains i remember one as this -- priority number one. a few things stuck out for me in the house democrats rules package. of is banning members congress from serving on corporate boards. members of congress make the rules for these people, and if they are literally tasked for batting for those -- guest 1: we have seen chris collins, for example, under federal indictment for insider trading he did. of course he got the information ahead of time because he is on the corporate board. he traded on the information. he is set for trial in 2020. guest 2: ending the package of so-called dynamic scoring, which republicans are very much in favor of. there are macroeconomic factors

to be considered in fiscal policy changes like tax, which make it look less expensive. while we are debating that, there is a very significant change to the way to get limit is offered, bringing back the so-called gephardt rule, congress has a weird rule it can pass budgets and spending the money but has to offer is itself to brawl the money to be spent after that. it is a bizarre way to do business. spending that money, we need to be able to spend that money, otherwise, what is the point of doing that? and also, pay-as-you-go. they are bringing back the pay-go, which will increase the deficit or reduce the surplus. it is something that progressives really do not like. their attitude is republicans never behave in a fiscally responsible manner when they are in power, why should democrats unilaterally have to do that and

then some of their bigger policy items? ore in the house bill package is something that was not addressed in the joint sexual-harassment bill that was addressed and signed into law a recently for capitol hill was limitations on relationships and how members interact with staff on committees that they serve on. that was kind of a loophole in the overhaul of sexual-harassment policy on capitol hill, and the house rules package host to plug that hole, at least for house members. host: our capitol hill producer the rulesan says package granted through the eighth of this month, for making and continuing appropriations for fiscal year ending on 9/30, thesese,se or congress interpret that for us. guest 1: congress will bring up interpretation,

and it comes at the beginning of congress, the house rules package, it is enacting something that would have regularly gone through the house rules committee as a one-off. this would be giving a blanket authority intellect a to pick up the legislation specifically on government funding. host: thank you both for that. susan in maine, thanks for calling. go ahead. caller: yes, i wanted to bring the fact with the new house coming in, we have the first ranked-choice vote in maine, vote in mainene that trump got. ared golden.jerr we wish him well. she will have to resign or do a lot more if she wants to be reelected. host: does this go back to brett

kavanaugh in power? i think brett kavanaugh has a lot to do with it, but i think she has voted in lockstep on a lot of issues recently that she should have a begun what lisa mccarthy did. host: caller, thank you. guest 1: maine is a very interesting state. i am from new england, but i would think the previous governor of maine, for example, supported trump with almost intent political maneuvering on the right. i also think the ranked-choice voting in maine is very interesting. host: please explain that a little. guest 1: voters are given a slate of candidates, and they get to rank them in the order of which they would like to see them heading to the role, in this case the house. and that is not a new idea, it , but this is idea

the first time it has been implemented in a national election like this, a state elections were a national office like this. and it remains to be seen whether other states will adopt .hat there was a huge controversy in maine about that. people were not sure that it would stick. guest 2: senator collins is widely seen as the most vulnerable republican senator facing reelection in 2020, the much the only republican senator from a blue state who is up for reelection, so she will be a big democratic target. democrats in maine or less optimistic about being able to defeat her, because she is very well known in her state. she has been there for a long time. the last democratic wave 2008 was one that she survived pretty handily. her ideological heresies with regard to a blue state, it may not place a well in maine, a relatively small state that she

knows well. i am not saying it cannot be done, but it will be tougher than democrats thing to defeat susan collins. other democrats in the crosshairs are cory gardner of colorado, who is, along with collins, the only current republican senator statement 2016ry clinton won in third outside that are joni ernst in iowa and tom tillis in north carolina. host: how does that change the dynamic for this year? guest 2: you will see a lot of jockeying among democrats. pieces of legislation to cosponsor, everything to get ahead of it, things popular on the left like medicare for all. senator elizabeth warren announced on new year's eve she is setting up a exploratory committee to run for 2020. she is well set to seize the min mantle of the non-populist wing of the party. others like, lee kamala

theys, kirsten gillibrand, are making moves you would need to make. guest 1: a great clip from outgoing senator claire mccaskill for the final vote that she took in the senate in the last congress, she looked around and realized half of these guys will try to run for president, so it will make it a very interesting year. i think she is probably so disappointed she will not be there. she might be glad. host: on the republican line, this is michael. caller: good morning. the untold story behind daca and all these immigration battles is that it has been reported that since 1950, virtually all of the big northern cities have been losing populations. chicago is the center of this illegal immigration issue, because our mayor in 1983 was the first mayor to declare

things were a policy. that was mayor harold washington. the city of chicago today has less people than i had in 1920. white people than it had in 1890. democrats are desperate to restore the population of san francisco, which has lost 10%. st. louis has lost over 60%. new york has now 40% of its people foreign-born, the most ever in its history. real story that no one was to tell, because the news media will say to advertisers, sure, you can take ads for chicago, but there are less white people. host: ok, thank you. guest 2: the underlying point that the caller was trying to make is about demographic changes. there are so much about the political debate that can explain anxieties. the caller is right that the population of white americans have been shrinking as a share

of the country of legal. immigration -- country as a whole. immigration from latin america and a few asian countries has been larger. before that, it was overwhelmingly from europe. shares of thern population used to be much higher about a century ago, in the 1800's and sometime in the early 1900's, but those were overwhelmingly white european immigrants. that is the thing, different people coming from different places. matteategorical mo some of this has always been the way it has worked. also we will see demographic changes in the new house, particularly from the democratic side. guest 1: absolutely. there are huge changes. for the first time ever, there will be a record number of women, a record number of women of color, and record numbers of representatives of color in the i think will not

change how the house operates, but i think we will see different issues being addressed that maybe have gone by the ite lawmakers from certain areas of the population have been leading the way for so long, something that has caught my attention is the friendships that are already developing between the incoming freshmen women of color. they are calling themselves each other's squad and really applying themselves -- aligning themselves together. i covered that side of capitol the lighter end of the building, i think we will see them united on progressive issues. also, the first two muslim women will be represented in the house, that will be a big game changer, including in the house rules package that we discovered

discussed earlier, the allowance for religious headwear, and that was basically created for those incoming women. ofst 2: part of the desire voters to elect more people that look like the base, younger, and you see that in the leaders they are electing. i think alexandria or seth you alexandria pension cortez is a perfect example. for a long time, her opponent seemed unbeatable. the fact that he lost is a reflection, i think. host: katherine tully-mcmanus, how long in the house site before we hear the serious word "impeachment." guest 1: i think the senate is pretty split on this.

there was the division in the house democrats for the new majority role. some democrats are crying impeachment. leadership,the nancy pelosi, and others are trying to tamp down. accomplish ing to the house without stoking the that appeasement would cause. i think you have to look closely at the impact that impeachment proceedings have had in the past, and it really does wipe out what else can be accomplished. it is take all of the oxygen out of the fire, and it does not leave that to the party that starts that fight without a lot of bruisers. leaders democratic are trying to be strategic, along with everything else cap catherine pointed out, they can impeach through the house of

representatives, but all that does is set up where they need to there's majority. they do not have -- 2/3 majority. they do not have any republican support at this moment. do they want to do that at the cost of dropping everything else out, because once you go there. host: when the report should come out, or if it ever comes out. guest 1: right. why play your hand out when you can take a beat and wait? if the mueller report is inflammatory, then they can take that step in. andink they will sit tight try to get other policy agenda items moving first. host: let's go to dan in pennsylvania, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. my call. for taking first of all, i think the president should close the until heown south

covers the safety of this country another thing i would like to ask your guests and maybe other people is if wall street not work, then why do we have walls run prisons? why do we have walls around mr. obama's house? why do we have brawls around schools -- walls around schools? as far as i'm concerned, the democrats are completely way off base here when they say walls do not work or if they don't work, like i said, why do we have prisons?und why don't we take the walls down and let the prisoners run free. guest 2: a couple of points about that. before president trump's 2016 campaign come there was not much of a clamor to build a wall. what they demand it was a lot of money for border security during that meets fencing, drones, operational awareness and technology, and a massive

increase in the size of the border patrol, because those are the kinds of things that experts thought would be helpful. i think it was donald trump was at years ago that if you build a wall, you create a market for a ladder, or something like that. idea that the wall would be the panacea to keep these people out of a new concept that the president introduced. border.a 1900-mile this is not for a house. it is a very different thing. republicans in the house and the senate were also talking about the wall as a sort of metaphor for border security, so it is a tangible concept. there will never be a 1900-mile barrier. about therunk's tweet wall around obama's house, i

around that neighborhood, and it is beautiful, but there is not a wall around his house. one of the things i think both sides have said is the the wall, andout i think that affects both sides during how does that play out against republicans -- amongst republicans? interesting, -- it is1: i think interesting, because john kelly, who came out early in support of like sahil was missing, technology, staff, drones, and things like that, but republicans are john kelly does not work for the president anymore, so he

is not speaking for the administration. think republicans do exist on the border, in border states, and that is where their constituencies like, understand the incredible dynamics at the border and how some areas become thenots for migrants, and make love, and another area becomes a hot spot, and democrats and many republicans are seeing that as a need for something more dynamic than it will. you can send drones to a different area with that becomes a problem, where a wall is stagnant. guest 2: the president wants to mexicos promise that will pay for the wall. this was a rallying chant. it is obvious now that mexico is not going to put the money down to build a wall. they find it offensive that that is even a thing that they are being asked to do.

touting otheris methods, that the wall will pay for itself by increasing security. and now he says his new updated producesmca, will savings for the wall, and that mexico is essentially finding the wall. it was a promise that was a little far-fetched to begin with. host: this is new jersey, independent line, gary, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. happy new year to everybody. i watched the "washington journal" every day. i am in my 80th year. i am concerned about two things i see in congress. first, california issuing the way by electing both young and new people to congress, representing the demographics of the state of california. i live in east brunswick, new jersey. tip o'neill once said politics is local. town, political structure comes out of the middlesex county democratic organization, which has been in power for

almost 100 years. we have demographics changing. i am a keynote speaker at the martin luther king day celebration at the highland park community. gave away his entire wealth, $1.5 billion, to african-americans. until the power structure changes, we will not see any change. tip o'neill said all politics is local, and we have to change it, women, people all colors need to be in congress in order to have changed. host: gary, thank you. guest 1: i think we are seeing some of those changes, especially represented in house democrats in the incoming congress. like i said before, record numbers of women. and in the senate, it is a huge milestone that women will make up a four -- a full quarter, 25

women will make up the senate. befores a long way to go we have 50%. guest 2: california has more surprises for house republican elections. everyone expected him to lose seats, but no one expected them to lose this many states. they were completely wiped out of orange county. there were figures like david in that widely seen state, well-known in the district, and he got defeated in an election that was very close. california demographically, to doesn't likepoint, where we are headed, a statement is very diverse. host: kathy, you are up next. caller: happy new year. why do we keep saying " wall"? there is no wall at the border, it is a barrier. guest 2: we keep saying "wall,"

because that is what the president says. wide 1: he has described a range of what the wall what it entailed, but he could saying all," and that is what you see lawmakers and others addressing the wall, because we are kind of meeting the president at what he demanded. guest 2: everyone was talking about fencing, some sort of barrier at the wall, he is the first president who said there has got to be a wall. host: what are you both interested in watching, especially as new leaders assume the committees? guest 1: i think something will see is house democrats flexing their oversight muscle. congress had an oversight role officially over the executive branch and agencies and what is going on in those areas of the government, and i think we are going to see way more things liken and

that in two different policies and agencies. that will be led by oversight in government functioning, but i also think there will be a huge shift in how things are operating under democrats. they have been a minority for so long in the house. they are very ready to take their gavels. guest 2: i am most interested in ways andman of the means committee at the moment, ell ofan low massachusetts, compelling the taxase of the governor's returns. this has never been used on a president before. they use it on next and during they believe they have the power to disclose, because the tax-writing committee can review anybody's tax returns for tax returns. you can imagine the republicans

are behind it, illegitimate use of the committee's authority. a fight, and it will enormously expand our knowledge. there willalso think be some territorial battles, particularly between the committee on climate change, so there will be other things that progressive wanted on the climate change, there will be issues between house energy and commerce, the climate change committee, and i think there will be some form between those two with who they are bringing to speak. rebekah from youngstown, ohio, go ahead. indiana,to tammy in democrats line. tammy, good morning. tammy from newburgh, indiana,

hello. we will leave it there. aside from everything we have seen, what is the one thing he will watch for that we have not talked about yet, something that you will keep an eye on put out a warning to new members in celebration, two can pay for those, who can be invited, is it campaign event, is it campaign event by lobbyists? who is towing the line on the personal things? be making the rounds not to celebrate with the members but roomeck out who is in the and what the invitations say, there are strict rules who can on those events from

hill?l >> host: we have video of signs going up on the managedian-owned or museums around town already. go ahead. >> i am looking to see how senators who may run for president position themselves in days, you know, if any are going to announce an ex plar story committee or take other steps. this is shaping up to be one of the most crowd presidential primary fields we have ever seen. in earl glyphs you an advantage and allows to you raise unlimited terms of money and build before happed. everyone wants to get the organization. wants to h everyone get the name recognition out or up early. let's see what the senators do. >> host: sahil kapur and joined by katherine tully-mcmanus who serves as a staff wrester. us.ks for joining happy new year to you.

>> guest: thanks. year.new >> host: coming up, we'll talk about the 2020 field to make run the highest office in the land with kyle kondik. those potential candidates that when washington journal continues. ♪ ♪

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>> host: this is kyle kondik, sabato'sing editor of crystal ball joining us to talk about campaign 2020. morning. >> guest: good morning. >> host: what is it like looking at these situations with announcementren's this week? >> guest: feels like 2016 on the you hadan side where candidates getting in. in that race there was not big fish that sueded other candidates from entering the race. who dip major candidate run on the republican side of 2016 was mitt romney. was able to push out mit roll romney but was not able to push out anyone else. candidatetsider donald trump getting the nomination. cue go back to 1976 and the andcrat that was big field jimmy carter came out of that who iss was candidate not established person, so one very bign the democratic field, if this race

may throw out a curve ball and someone may emerge that we dop expect. >> host: does it indicate getting a name out first? how does that work? the 2016 i feel like ofle started in mid-december 2014. veer then cycle. mid-december so elizabeth warren getting in a couple of days ago and that is standard now. the presidential campaign if you get the nomination, see eventually, a two-year proposition. look. we had democratic candidates eventually running for president like kamala harris and others sort of making it kind of clear they are going to run cory booker so one sort of formalized it. in.reason maybe she got only she knows why she decided to announce when she did. of a may be something scramble for staff at this point and maybe by getting in a little earlier you may have a

better pick of staff because otheratic consultants and ks involved in these campaign and only so many good people to get and that is part of the and maybe we'll see more democrats getting in the next couple of weeks here. guest will be with us. if you want to ask him questions about potential candidate whan they face. republicans: 202-748-8001 independents: 202-748-8002 democrats: 202-748-8000. let's hear little bit from elizabeth war friend her announcement. can make our democracy work for all of us. work forke our economy all of us. we can rebuild america's middle time, we got to build it for everyone. live inr where you america, and no matter where your family came from in the deserve a path to opportunity because no matter of usur differences, most

want the same thing. work hard. with the same set of rules. take care of the people we love. amt is the america i fighting for. that is why, today, i am launching an ex plar story for president, the wrought com of this election on you.end then lost that years, millions of people have done more than toy ever though they would protect the promise of americans. if we organize together, if we fight together, if we persist we can win. we can. we can and we will. >> host: not new for her. i think we saw a lot of standard issue democratic scenes of this theage and actually one of messages that i with associate with bill clinton in the '0's hard and play by the rules. people who work hard and play by the rules can get ahead and one,

sort of use that exact same terminology, although, i think is an is a can date who left ward spectrum than hillary clinton four years ago, certainly as bill clinton as a candidate and president in the know, that is where the democratic party is headed. i think we have seen both bit moreet a little polarized and increasingly is aratic party, i think, little bit more liberal, but also, i do wonder, this is not addressed in the video, you know, we do have a president who kind of sounds lake democrat on for instance, also, who has been a little bit more on policy, how are these democrats going to try to different it a themselves are the president baits is natural nom nicehe democratic

to be on the opposite side of any issue donald trump. that is something that is hashed out the many presidential debates we will have in the summertime on the democratic size. host lost to is a phrase ex nome to be on the opposite side of any issue donald trump. that is something that is hashed out the many presidential debates we will have in the summertime on the democratic size. host lost to is a phrase ex plar story committee a lot. what does it mean? >> guest: a way to get the campaign going without being a candidate. i reb jeb bush sort of he'll held off on the official decoration for awhile and part of the reason for that he was able to build the big super pack was going to help him with the nomination and it didn't work out that which and it did thatlot of money during exploratory time, but look, theabeth warren starting committee and running for president. there are certain legal itches about it you know, we can sit her and say she is going to be a candidate. >> host: going to iowa this weekend. >> guest: of course, you got the traditional states starting up newcalendar, iowa, hampshire, california, the biggest prayer they moved up to march. voting will start in california several weeks before that. so the call len daughter is compressed which will be interesting to see if that detrackings a little bit from i getting, new hampshire as much attention as they usually get.

>> host: our first call for you comes from marion. she is in virginia. democrat's line. hello. >> caller: hello. happy new year to everyone. >> host: happy new year. ago are. >> caller: oh, thank you. my question to you is: what is change? we have lobbyists. we have big money. donors that buy the politician on both side parties. on the democratic side. i know it happens with the democrats as well. they just said the lobbyists are moving in to start, you bribing the democrats. the big donors and i understand of thisticians need all money and that is what is concerning and like there are two teams. team of the workers out here. the 99%, and the one percent. in charge ande have the power in making all the all the money is going to them. we don't have a chance. they are not going to represent us.

that is my concern. can you address that, please? >> guest: so certainly the influence of the well-heeled and industries, that has always been an issue in american here to and i am not prescribe ways to deal this with w that necessarily. i think the democrats are going about thengs that you talked about end your question during their debates and you know, i mean, i wonder if democrats will be pushing for things like public financing of elections which i guess hypothetically could reduce money or coming up with some sort of legislative response the citizens united supreme court decision for several years ago, which you oh, but again, sometimes, these don't necessarily work and they don't work the way you mccain-feingold campaign finance reforms tenned to make the parties a little bit less powerful. you still see big donors having electionsnce on the and then, look, i don't know if

certainlyl, well, democrats are more in favor of the campaign finance restrictions than republicans are. see it as a free speech issue. frankly, this supreme court that think isow, that i more conservative than it has been in the past. they also view the campaign finance issues as first amendment questions and even if total control of washington and tried to do wide sweeping campaign finance regulation. i don't know if the court would go along with them on that. and onetricky question there are significant differences between the two parties. >> host: this is wayne. hello. >> caller: good morning. >> host: good morning. >> caller: yeah. i would like to ask a question if i could. which one of the democratic candidates is the most socialists? listen.ang up and thanks. >> guest: well i guess you could say bernie sanders because he uses that word to describe

himself and he is not technically a democrat. relecked as. in vermont, but, you know, obviously, he has pursued the democratic presidential nomination before in 2020.well may do so will say, again, i think that is liberal leaning field where it socialists and up to your own again, you would beect the democratic nominee left wing candidate and more in keeping with where we. recently the democrats i guess as opposed to bill clinton who at least officers of waswhen he was a candidate that he was just sort of a third way kind of more kind of moderate southern democrat. you know, those folks dop necessarily exist in the democratic party now and i think clinton is more liberal figure now than he was 25 years ago. >> host: what is the likelihood of joe biden being a part of field.

>> guest: he is mulling it over. 50-50. someone like biden doesn't get as early because he has the name i.d. he will probably be able to build up organization. in fact, he kind of has an organization right now in the life.ice president so we are still waiting to see. but gain, you lack at all the is no within in the field who is clearly therefore,gure, and i would think that would lead to more candidates getting in as opposed to fewer. about houseg getting in, you know, generally house members don't do that much in presidential's contest and house members, senators, governors, perhaps people who are not in government someone like michael bloomberg who is former mayor of otherrk city, and some folks may decide to get in and so you know, i do think it is a pretty big field. >> host: you mentioned michael bloomberg them? a comment about what he would like to see you see. that.hear from

um, there is no rush to do it. everybody wants to know what you the bottomo do and in line is, i am not sure yet. issues.bout a bunch of care for my kids. i care for this conly that has been so good to me and i want to how i can help the best. andt now by foundation company, 100%% of the company's profits to the foundation. awful lot of things that we are doing that to us explain to people how do things and give them options, not telling them what to do, can make the world a better place in the private sector? cane make it a better place the public sector? i think it is fair to say most in cityike what we did hall. a goodink i could be president? yes. i am not the only one that could be good president. current president on so many things that i don't there.ow where to start

>> i assume, are you trying to figure out if democratic party you.ing to accept if >> well, i am much closer to their philosophy, although i with anyone party on everything. would you have to run as a democrat. to get a have democratic nomination. think if you go out and you he explain to them you what do. keep in mind, i got leaked in new york city, overingly city.atic overing minority city. i got elected three times. i must know something about this. >> host: kyle? >> guest: he has unlimited amount of money. the question is could you , you know, use that money and actually generate support. questions about bloomberg and some of maybe the tactics ind police new york say that i think maybe would be something that other can days would use against bloomberg. here's the thing whether he is 20 candidates or 25. her and bad-mouth

the chance of 20 to 25 of them. i would be right. got win this nomination and there is no clear can't sit herei to say, oh, well, elizabeth warren has no chance. michael bloombergs into chance. i mean, i don't know. i think there are a lot of people with credible resumes who run credible campaigns who will decide to run and a long campaign to go a year or plus before, before people start voting. >> in bloomberg's cass you have to deal with what to do with the news division as he is running. >> that is right. there is some talk which is politics or something if prerunning which is sort of a -- kind of a problematic thing. of course, bloomberg is very big and very important news entity covering, covering american politics, specifically in the theyfive or ten years beefed that coverage up. >> host: this is from new jersey. hello. >> caller: good morning. mrs. warren's rollout

yesterday and i was quite impressed with it. following her since before she was a senator and to stand up the that, that she founded, more or less, after the last crisis. think she has a strong case to mainly that unlike many of the people who want to be popular and she actually came working class/poor family. walked roadsas that donald trump never walked, that hillary clinton never walked. she was not supported throughout father ory remember his family. her knowledge of law her pretty viable as far as

looking to the future as to what to do with the american dream that is not working for many people. >> host: ok. thank you, caller. i. >> guest: i think the caller that elizabeth wants to make. she does come from humble beginnings. interesting biography. actually her idea of consumer protection and other things are very important to where democratic party stands on those and i thinkes today she is pretty important member democratic senate caucus and i also think that frankly, lessons maybe from the 2018 primary season was that i think democratic primary voters when given the option to alsofor people of color or also white women sort of liked having that option and the party is becoming more diverse and it seems certainly possible that the for a second time in a

row, actual lay third time in a a whiteld not nominate male to be the presidential nominee and so, again, there positives, i think, for warren, one of the things that tripped up warren has been about her native american ancestry and she and her team decided to release dna test shen the took a couple of months ago. that was not well received and doesn't seem look the president will be on that particular issue refer toll continue to her as pocahontas which again he will keepongly doing it. we know enough about the president he will not give that up. think a lot of people questioned why she decided to but youat issue back up know that is not part of a rollout video and what was part reallyllout video was very modest, modest beginnings and you know, rising career.vely in the so i think was a tend city to kind of upper et cetera

mate the chance and she is a credible contender you know, i favorite fors is the nomination? no, there is no favorite for the nomination. thet newyou hinted york sometime times talking about the var is a why weres he has connected to the american possibility pack pack and the protection of children and the cancer initiative that guess on bidenhere including the foundation. to do all of these become potential source for the topaign should he decide run? >> guest: i would think so. there is a lot of people would you associate with at the various place and that could sizeof meta more quarterbacking flay a campaign or he doesn't run and all of thesenties just keep going and sort of an important figure in democratic party but not a candidate for the look, main, i don't have any prediction on biden, but certainly, he is a contender just along with the many others. this idea of about a pure campaign funding of all dollar donation not funding from corporate.

who is making those kind of promises? can they be kept? >> i think part of it is whether can actually raise the small dollars. i would think so they would be small dollars and how the former texas house campaigno reason a against ted cruz although he lost. he has tacked about his contern. could raisee who small dollars donation because he did so great in the his 2018 senate thisand i think a lot of has to do with can you actually raise the small dollars? you know someone like michael bloomberg he can wait a check so that is a positive thing for the can say it sy if you do see some more kind of maybe corporate figures getting in the race this e don't have to worry aboutis much about fund-raising but you know, not everyone is going to be able to a ton of machine my with small dollars then it becomes who do you take money from? not a very sensitive subject on the republican side it? , and youmocratic side

sometimes see canadas saying they will not take money from kind of packs or what not. that would be issue for campaign. in this >> host: our guest with the university of virginia of politics the managing editor of sabbah tow's crystal ball. what is that. >> guest: a weekly news lefter. we try to handicap the winwers losers a we get closer to the election that comes out sign up.rsday, free to michigan.his is from independent lane, bon, hello. >> caller: yeah. this is a comment regarding elizabeth warren's advertisement inclusive america. tape again, um, i bet you a dollar you won't see in it.ale all females. all ethic racial groups. one white male in the

advertisement. that is elizabeth war reason's all-inclusive america. >> host: actually was. >> guest: i watched the video yesterday. there were white men in it. i think warren is trying to put together a multi racial coalition, although, we know weakestte men are the demographic group for democrats, but you know, white voters still up majority of the electorate. white men getting some support. geeing totally crushed is important in states like michigan, spencevania, that are going to help determine the next president. those states are whiter han the inional average and also some ways the working class and the national average and you know, if you look at the key voters in the 2016 play thate a sort of 2020, you poe, you looking at the democratic voters the decided to vote for donald trump perhaps reluctantly to get those rotors

back is crucial for elizabeth warren. appear you watch that four and a half video. those folks do appear but it is sort of a multi ethic coalition that she is trying to that is where the democratic party is. you know, new hampshire. we. >> seen this in the past inch for a sitting president who gets re234078nated. new hampshire can sometimes trip him up. we have seen pat buchanan in the right of president george w. bush. further,k a little bit lyndon johnson only got, only won by sort of unprimessive actually over mccarthy in 1968 and decided not run fanned he did have someone like john kasich or jeff and that person, know, basically decapped to new hampshire for a year. hampshire casting

a protest vote against the president. he may not mean that the president would lose the could be abut it sign of weakness going forward. you know, also, there is the of thelity that because mueller investigation or some other factor that the president in 2020 or have to resign or not pre--ing that but i am saying there is a wide range of possibilities and also the possibility that the president will get reelected. you know, just a lot of uncertainty now. but the president still refans pretty good approval ratings with the republicans specifically. 80% plus. that is not the kind of, that is still strong. and you would not expect him to lose renomination that point but he may save some opposition and maybe more than token opposition. >> here is russell from north carolina. democrat's line. >> caller: good morning. doing today.ll >> host: doing well. >> caller: i have a question. now what about a three-party 2020? and as far as immigration and whenever one is talking about

all inclusive, but again, still they are supporting that of people who are refugees from coming in to the country to joy this american dream. know, at least pursue it. and the third party in 2020. may, is there not -- we have a pendulum. cut your head off. left will smile at you while we do it. a party that would balance this out? some cry about you messed up the in 2016. no. that was not the case. the case is that people are a democracyand in to vote for who they choose to best represent them. >> host: thanks, caller. >> guest: you may see someone like john kasich decide tow run third party. because you know, you look at had twoyear where you unpopular presidential candidates and the third party push and ily 6

wouldn't say they were tar particularly strong and asuing donaldar trump is republican nominee that is up or down refer run dumb on president which to me would suggest probably a small third assuminge but also there is not a major third party candidate. mean, 1992 was refer ren did you. you had ross perot coming in getting 16% of the vote or if someone were credible coming in. you could see a lot of people defect. let's face it. i don't think as the callers allude to. even though i think, americans are pretty polarized by party i wouldn't say the two parties are so maybenarily popular there would be a an opportunity come in, although, that pepper affect the vote would you not expect this person to win or carry any individual state. from culpepper, virginia, democrat's lynn, wilbur, go ahead. >> caller: happy new year, gentlemen. >> host: happy new year.

>> caller: first of all, i would like to say joe biden, he would when get my vote because chairman of the committee back in the days. now my dream tick debt would be mccullum, the ex governor of state, and kamala harris, california. that's the dream ticket for the country. are going to need a southern to theent to go down south and have some fot vogts. ticket.y dream remember joe biden? clarence thom mison the supreme court. >> host: thank you. goodest: the caller has point. joe biden has long history in washington and a lot of stuff to pick at and a candidate who i think the past has looked better on paper than actually in practice. that is something to consider even as joe biden is polls.to be leading

he lead a crept national poll from cnn. may be that if he would run again, the other can day was him and startp on picking away at him because he is also probably more centrist left candidate than others in the democratic pealed mccullough is another democratic nominee. i know it seems like is runninged in particularly if joe biden don't run. of virginiaovernor is someone who is basically most known i think for being with the clintons and i don't know if there is desire for that. again, he would be a credible person, too. we are talking about house members and a lot of senators about governorch bus the governor of virginia, the governor of colorado, those names to watch from some of the governor's group in terms of possibilities and senator harris of california is another contender. again, i could list probably 20

more people who are tagging about running and may be candidate. >> host: when do we start seeing debates? june.st: i believe in either june or july. and, remember, the republicans time they had a big field, they had to have the grown-up ande and the kids' table undercard debate because they could accommodate ten people on the main stage and going to it up and maybe do back-to-back nights and you see joe maybe biden in one debate, then elizabeth warrener on the one bit more fair, although, i is a hard problem for the parties to have to deal with. in hindsight to say republicans, you know, didn't reckly.le 2016 cover it is is hard to be too harsh on them and see if the democrats with the benefit of being able to look back with what republicans did are able to come equitable way of including candidates

determining which debate they part of if you have more than ten. i think you probably will just in summer 2019, you know, may be ail 2020 different story. sabato'skyle kondik, crystal ball, check it out. thank fos for your time. it is day 12 of the government get yourand going to thoughts on it if you support the shutdown. republicans: 202-748-8001 independents: 202-748-8002 democrats: 202-748-8000. we'll take those calls when washington journal continues. ♪ ♪

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our community safe. there was silence. there was complicity. what i began to understand that no one was going to be willing to do anything. that is the reason i am taking action. noticed over and over again as that karen handle and other republican legislatures refused to do anything about this unnecessary gun violence. they will not take action. in the end, the only things that beholden to in this district are the people that i talk to every single day and my son's legacy. i am running because i am a mission. a here to represent everyone. >> new congress. new leaders. watch it all on c-span. theost: nor day 12 of shutdown we're getting your thoughts.

202-748-8001 202-748-8002 202-748-8000. governing magazine has look at the shutdown and what it is when it comes to native american tribes can you find it onehe website saying for tribe of chippewa indianas in upper peninsula. wasgovernment shutdown come price tag about $100,000 every day of federal money that does to keep health clings full and gleams paid. owntribe is now using the funds to cover the short falls for now but it continues much that stop gap money will be depleted then later this month workers could be servicesd and health could be paired back. everything in payment. the chairman of the sault ste. marie tribe is on the table. it goes on from there. can see that story on the website. it is governing.com. again, well take those calls about the government shutdown as go on starting with rebecca in ohio.

you are first up. thanks for aing. what do you think about the shutdown? totally support the shutdown. i believe that our senate and to work together with our president and i don't see that happening. something has to be done with the rhetoric that continues to go back and forth republican-democrat senate and house. how there is not support for the american people, when they, when they do their campaigning, their voice says i care about you. don't even care about you. its their agenda that they want. personal agenda that they want. i think sometimes you have to be done the wait needs to be. the american people voted for the ideologymp on we would get a wall toll folk us. weaned a wall to protect our nation him? find it ludicrous the dem debt tell democratic party sits there watches the demise of the country and shame on them.

>> host: kay. well hear from nan in oklahoma. >> caller: yes. i support the shutdown. kind of quite opposite of her, actually. that he getsto see no wall. he we are a country based on immigration. i believe that any candidate thaton the democratic side opposes this will probably get majority of the vote. ty of thethe major vote, i believe it was the democrats that got the majority republicans that got the the -- >> host: let's hear from sa nan in washington, d.c. she opposes the shutdown. hello. >> caller: hello. yes. i appos the shutdown. because this is nothing about a to hurt the economy of this hostage forhold it the rich. now donald trump is not that will in anything

elevate our country based on the to cover uptarted adversaries and to take from the ,who has really this game toy elevate himself financially and economically. i just hope these people will wake up. they will when we go belly up. >> host: a prall worker in anchorage, a aye class, joining us nes next. charlene, hello. >> caller: hello. yes. i support they shutdown. even though i am a federal worker and not getting a paycheck the next pay period. congress needs to get together and actually pass a that is not a continuing toen if they have

go. >> host: go ahead. have tor: even if they go bureau by bur tro get a budget passed for each part of .overnment >> host: what branch of government do you work for? >> caller: i would rather not say. >> host: how long? you given how much notice were you given before the shutdown started? >> caller: one day. >> host: how prepared are you as far as continuing on for any length of time? >> caller: not really well-prepared. >> host: even in light of that, you still support it? >> caller: yes. >> host: let's hear from carl. a former federal worker from lansing, michigan, hi. >> caller: hi, how are you doing?

when the federal government shutdown went down. there was a 228-184 house vote in the senate for $5.7 billion for a border wall or security perimeter the$7.8 billion toward disaster leaf of california. maineddede president and add more money because of crisis, no i.an you know? i am assuming. teams going medical

out and help with the crisis on the border with it being released into the united states. the thing is, when it got to the was 47-47 tie. that was like a tie. you can see it. break the48th vote to one morehen it was vote, the guy who casts that vote. >> host: ok. senator mark, he owe kay. for the thank you

perspective here. a close watcher of these proceedings. playan see these things out on c-span if you want. the events that led top the shutdown. again, we're taking calls on it. 202-748-8001 202-748-8002 202-748-8000. tonight on c-span you will have the opportunity to see our documentary folk sng on the it. the senate conflicts and theromises the name of documentary. inyou go to the website, you can find a little bit about it. is a little bit from the documentary. today.ed several times will agree this version or that version? >> no. vision.country had a >> they believe the best fall of the constitution. >> sometimes it seems that nothing is happening on the senate floor. the action going on elsewhere. >> we do attack.

>> bring to order. >> they runs. >> the senators offices. the offices of the senate leaders. but that is all preliminary. haser or later, everything to come here. the is where the time say, final act takes place. here is where the law is made. >> host: c-span vo dueser, mark, morning. >> guest: good morning, pedro. start?: how do it >> guest: well the senates the most unique governing body in the world. the power is given by the constitution for advice and consent. a check on the presidency as well as the legislative powers so it is a look at the history of of the senate's operations hopefully by the end, the viewer will understand the senate can make up their own whether the senate is doing

what the founders indicated they wanted them to do or not. our view is conceive every day. what kind of cirque will this documentary bring about the workings of the senate? ofguest: well, it is a bit behind thbehind the scenes pers. we got a resolution so you well senate in the informal works and there you see us on the screen going to the chamber resolution and first network to get tot the senate because the senate when you are seeing it on television, are seeing their version of it and their cameras showing you what is going on this is the to see behind the scenes aspect of it and the in the senateings of which they say are bipartisan than sign television. the tollbout colleagues of what wore seeing and what was their feel? yeah, ben is on the screen and holding the microphone. bob riley is the camera operator for that one on the floor and to elizabeth mcdoesn't na who he is the parliamentary her issenate and behind

one of the legislative clerkance the other folks who make that place work and so mark, tell us, the program is called conflict and compromise. program reflect both? >> well, think, when you see the soon thee have kavanaugh hearings. we have seen them. so that was a lot of conflict seen the you have comprobyes the crime bill recently. so it is meant to reflect bost of them and talked to the senators and a lot of them saying in the program, that behind the scene, is where all of the bipartisanship happens, cameras, youhe can't get this. there is two sides of the senate both of a little bit of those. >> host: so as you are walk around with camera in place and was thenes what reaction on the floor? >> guest: we got a chance to see the pages, the parliamentarians or the folks set up. with once the senate began we had cameras swinging around the inmber so we could see them

action and this was in ten we didn't want to disturb what was wantedn in the floor and to get a sense a lot guess on during the roll call vote where people, again, they are walking across the aisle and talking to other senator so it scenes look and then, at how they work but you can not see when are watching fieldfield on c-span2. >> host: here is a little bit the documentary on that process. ♪ is whenvorite chance there is a vote. 15 minutes to vote. pouring in and that is described as a party with cocktails. get a whole lot gone. good time.ll was

to talk to colleagues to do and a lot of that is done across the aisle, too. from majorityard leader and how much time did they give you? them?id you learn from >> guest: well, we spent an hour with senator mcconnell and schumer. with senator we learned is again you can make your own judgment whether they theyoing what they say want to do. but senator mcconnell says the where bad ideas come to die or you meet in the middle. senator schumer tells us the thing can achieve big thing fits is one party. it doesn't lasts as lopping so about leadership. learned about how the in stitution operate and how about host history. mcconnell actually did something with american history television on c-span 3 where we did a tour of the space that and very much institutionalists and understands the history of the toate and brought the idea us to do it and we said as long as there was no interference editorially there was something

we wanted to government you? learn about the inner workings the history ofnd the senate. >> host: can you expand on that as far as what we looked for in protection as far as the editorial control of it? >> guest: again, we between come away from the productions not the senate andto also being objective about it. any time c-span does any of the got to go about it again. at the end of the day, a thatalists may say again, was pair. the senate looks at it. it is fair as well. >> was there a big surprise four inputting this thing together. >> the coolest thing is on the floor of the senate, obviously. actually issurprise going through the archives and see a lot of them tonight. been on the senate has television of the floor proceedings so to go back odd years of senate programming to see the giants of whosenate and the folks really influence the in stitution and to really take a lookat some of the things

the bork hearings, the impeachment of president clinton or the trial and the senate has been markers of the senate throughout the television era so to take a look at those things how the senate operates and how it has paged the senate today. >> host: remind the vires where they can see it. >> guest: tonight at 8:00 on is 90-minute production and on the website. you have got interviews with all the historians. all the senators. a special place in the senate to.can go we have produced production on. so it is really all encompassing leg am the senate and the history. this is mark who headed the project. thank another time. >> guest: thank you. happy new year. >> host: we're going to be a the shutdown.he this is from florida. supporter of the shutdown. this is sherry. hello. >> caller: good morning. hello. >> host: you are on. go ahead. >> caller: oh, thank you. a retired teacher. i want to say that i overwhelmingly support our , president trump, he

is demand what is best for the citizens, what is best for their own families. of americanily citizens. our country needs protection. country ofa immigrants, yes, indeed, as the democratic caller said. what they need out is we a r a country of legal immigration. are talking about legally coming into this country. put in the work the outcryration and when they are being sent back so supportant to say, i our president. he digs what is best for american. that he hassane been denounced for it. thank you very. juan: >> host: host ken tk kiss next. er what from carol. >> caller: yeah. that the congress and the president should work to solve this

situation. ofause it has got a lot things shutdown right now. solving thenot problem. i think the government can't shutdown. >> host: kentucky, the united offers a certain amount of work visas into the country demand for those visas caused the crash of the website. this is reported by "the wall street journal" this morning portal slowedline down then froze later then early january according to users then the labor department shut it down with the note apologizing caused bystem outage overwhelming filing demand and the company rusched to file as thatas they open and allows requests to be handled ahead for limited number of slots. >> javier in florida and miami. a supporter of the shutdown. go ahead. >> hi how are you doing today? yes. i am a supporter of the shutdown indeed.

listen. here legally. it took me more than a decade to become a proud american and i country and i know what it stanes for. it is a country of laws. and president trump is doing all the right things. course, why wouldn't? he is in the right side of sheeshes. he is a pro-life president and you mo,rts life and then everything falls into place. you will be mostly in the right issues if you are on the side of not killing the innocent that have done nothing to nobody. so you know, it is logic. surprised that most people are not being brainwashed by the you spick up and turn on the dell vision and you news.o fox people think that fox news is a conservative outlet. .ou know, >> don't depend me at all. ok. dar "the wall street

journal" also reporting when it comes to the united states force they are facing a threat from a certain type of missile this is called the guided missile or atgm's they were first developed decades ago but recent years advances and sake availability on the battlefield making them a fearsome and acknowledged threat to u.s. troops and largely the result of efforts of powers such ash iran to russia arm and train proxy fighters and midu.s. program begun in 2013 to provide weapons missiles those type of and identifying in syria. president trump cap channel in the theprogram saying wall street jurn nay allows weops to fall into all qi did hands. mark is next and is from new jersey. >> caller: hi. thank you c-span. i say i strongly oppose the shutdown. this is a typical republican ploy. govern.'t know how to

so this is how they -- this is they negotiate. they say it is our way her to highway. they shutdown everything and democrats.the this is the third shutdown this tosident does not know how do politics. he is come pleat amateur. i don't understand all the supporters calling in. i guess they don't understand politics either. i think it is a real shame what in the country, a country built by immigrants. fact, the immigrants came in here and, you know, committed people, on the native so you know, we should really be growing up instead of repeating problems over and over again and i feel really badly employees whol are not getting their paychecks especially around christmas. is real staff trave ty. >> host: all right next up is ann in florida. shutdown.r of the hi. >> caller: hi, good morning. to say i strongly support

the shutdown and i wish that president trump would push more the laws for immigration and as well as the i guess what they are kag it now if you change the laws for asylum and change the laws for how they get to the country they can turn them around at the border and instead of having to deal with them. cues me through the court you would be much better off. thank you. cal. >> host: the last call from ohio. good morning, go ahead. >> caller: hi. i do oppose the shutdown. i am not in favor of a border wall. look at the prospect continuing shutdown once control changes tomorrow as the

fromom of our distraction the government and you know for in mya pell, i think state, i think people were more concerned about space and we this talk about, we have ncaalled nafta that is this is very little difference and it is not going to address our of the sound that ross described, but much more greater precision, in fact, him, so instead we are talking about a wall, and we , we don't have heree coming in to who are payng to, obtain jobs that better than in the home countries, that has been less of maybe fivehan it was

years ago and now we're look at isigrants and again, that not really issue. >> host: ok. thank you. dublin, ohio, the last caller nor segment. the coming in of the 116th congress look for tomorrowogram for taking a look at issues facing this new congress and get to hear from the new leaders as the congress goes forward and don't forget the documentary we we talked about tonight at 8:00 on the senate. more information on c-span@c-span.org and thanks for watching our program today. edition ofther washington journal coming your way tomorrow. see you then. >> we'll see you then. ♪ ♪ ♪

>> c-span1, where history unfolded daily. 1979, c-span was created as a public service. we continue to have unfiltered coverage of the white house and the supreme court. >> the u.s. house has a pro forma section today. the senate coming into session at 4:00 p.m. eastern. they have under consideration a bill to reopen the government and fund president trump's proposed border wall.

the first piece of legislation is expected to be a bill to reopen the government without money for the border wall. members join the 116th congress. north dakota voters elected kelley armstrong to represent the state in the house of representatives. mr. armstrong chaired the northrup -- the republican party .efore his run for office he is an executive and his and gass sick oil business. dusty johnson joins the house from south dakota. he served as chief of staff for governor dennis do guard during his first term.

restful chair -- russ fulcher was elected. he was an executive at an electronics company. mr. jared golden has held a seat in the state house for the last --r caser congressman ed returns to congress representing .awaii's second district before that he was a member of the state legislature.