later, foreign affairs editor gideon rose will at before policy challenges facing the u.s. this year. you can join the conversation facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ tops are set to resume in washington today the government shutdown now entering its 16th day. president trump is not part of those immediate negotiations. he will head to camp david this morning for a border security briefing with staff during the beginnings -- staff. the beginnings of the 2020 presidential election ramped up yesterday with elizabeth warren in iowa yesterday. welcome to this january 6, 2019.

the iowa caucuses 13 months away, without we would ask democrats only this morning your thoughts on who should run in 2020. here is not to join the conversation. (202) 748-8000 is the number for those of you in the eastern and central time zones. (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific time zones. you can offer your thoughts on twitter. post your comments on her facebook page as well. also looking at other news this morning in the progress or lack thereof of the government shutdown. the des moines register this morning, one of several stories on elizabeth warren in that state. person-to-person, town to town a --iowa, we will build across iowa, we will build a

grassroots movement. her microphone cut out about 10 minutes into her first speech in iowa. the massachusetts senator unfazed, yelled across the room. she said she is glad because this part i want you to hear for sure. i am in this fight because i am grateful. my daddy ended up as a janitor. i had a chance to become a public school teacher, college professor, and united states senator. lots of potential candidates. we will read the reporting from iowa and elsewhere. this is from the washington post, the story on iowa in particular. this is a piece in the washington post this morning. in iowa, democrats hungry for 2020. they write that the iowa caucuses remain 13 months away, but a pent-up demand for change

in the white house is tangible among democrats eager for the 2020 campaign to start in earnest. the throngs of voters attending evidence of something for her full for republicans, the huge appetite of democrats after the 2018 midterm gains. i have never been to a rally, but i have wanted to for a long time, said one attendee in sioux city waiting for senator warren to speak. i am surprised by the energy here, the lines are longer than people expected. we will go to your calls and your thoughts on who you would like to see run for president. democrats only this morning. those of you in the eastern and central time zones. (202) 748-8001 for those of you in the mountain and pacific area of the country. good morning to duane in new york.

caller: good morning. biden, andld be joe my second would be catherine duval. biden can go into any part of the country and sell the democratic message. that is my take. host: and your other is patrick duval, the former governor of massachusetts. caller: if he can't be the one, i could see him as the running mate. that is my thought. host: thank you for that. biden, the washington examiner reporting, joe biden blaming the conservative woman for the shutdown. they write that former vice biden ist joe facing criticism for pointing the finger at the conservative blonde woman for the shutdown,

presumably talking about and coulter.- ann from byork city, we hear j. good morning. caller: good morning. my choice would be kamala harris from california. host: why? she has a centrist record. she is more likely to win that someone who is way to the left like warning. you want someone who is going to win. i'd like to get the senator along. that is who is going to win the race. host: kamala harris, senator from california, is set to appear on one of the late shows this week. i'm not sure if that means an

announcement. she has a book coming out in the upcoming weeks. we go to north carolina and rob. caller: thank you for taking my call. it is a great early morning. i hope everyone had a great holiday season. my family has been democratic for a long time. remembersow if anyone senator rob gordon from eastern north carolina. what disgusts me about the thetion now is democratic party is more concerned about the 2020 election than trying to do some people's work in the house and senate. i know they despise the president in office now. he was elected by the electoral college. inhink the best candidate 2020 the democrats is bernie sanders. between hillary clinton and the dnc, he was cheated out of the nomination. in newrene is next

jersey. your choice for president in 2020. caller: thank you. the last caller said something that is very common about bernie sanders. i think hillary clinton made a mistake, and the democratic party made a mistake of allowing bernie to run as a democrat because he is not a democrat. he is a socialist. he is an independent. they let him run anyway. the results were disastrous. for this year would be the proven winner, hillary clinton, the one that has been lied about. people say she murdered people. -- all ofof nonsense a bunch of nonsense. she is one of the more honest politicians. policy of lifting society by

lifting families and children's is a brilliant policy. that is why she was able to do the children's health insurance plan. she is a proven winner. i think if people voted for her once, they will vote for her twice, especially now that the veil of misogyny has begun to lift. we see that when women run for president, somehow they are not likable people. nobody likes them. they lied about that woman for 35 years or whatever. i think people are beginning to see the difference between lies and truth. now that we have a true dissembler in the white house. irene in new jersey, hillary clinton fan. writing about what hillary clinton is up to ahead of any 2020 campaign, this is from cnn, hillary clinton meeting with

possible 2020 democrats. the former secretary of state has talked about the 2020 election with senator kamala harris, cory booker, colorado governor john hickenlooper, and los angeles mayor eric garcetti. there are plans for her to talk with other contenders. tennessee, it is democrats only this hour. your thoughts on a 2020 candidate? caller: good morning. i would have to agree with the last republican that called in from north carolina. i think anyone is says hillary clinton should run again is clearly unelectable. she ran against the worst candidate of all time, donald trump, and loss. got more votes than anyone thought. host: here is sean in baltimore. welcome. caller: good morning. host: good morning.

caller: i like mitch landrieu. namenk i pronounced his right. the old new orleans mayor. i like him because he is a centrist. if the democrats want to win, they have to get away from being progressive. they are too far left, and it is not going to work. kamala harris, i like her. she needs to stay out of it. cory booker, stay out of it. i don't want to see joe biden, bernie sanders, definitely not hillary clinton. donald trump,beat who is totally garbage, she is not going to win. mitch mitchell -- landrieu. he is a centrist. he was talking about why we should not abolish i.c.e.

mitch landrieu said we need to reform it. he is more of a common sense thinker. that is what is going to bring everybody together. host: you think there is some danger if the party goes to left in terms of their policies and platforms and the ultimate candidate the democrats might choose? i think we lost them. go ahead. caller: absolutely. if they choose any of those folks on the far left, donald trump will have an easy win. it will be a slamdunk win for donald trump if they choose one of these far left candidates. i am not going to vote. i am going to vote for everybody. donald trump is going to win again. host: thank you. your choice for president in 2020 as things begin to

pick up speed in the early days of 2019. elizabeth warren in iowa. here is part of her stop yesterday. [video clip] >> the folks in washington who are in charge think the way to set minimum wage is to maximize the profits of a multinational corporation. they work for the rich and powerful, not the rest of us. re.is not just the it is throughout the system. washington works great for giant drug companies, not for people trying to fill a prescription. [cheers and applause] washington works great for giant oil companies that want to drill everywhere, but not for people who are worried that this planet is going to burn up if we don't make changes. [cheers and applause]

washington works great for giant financial institutions, but not for people whose social security numbers get stolen. this is one step after another. washington works for the rich and the powerful and leaves everyone else behind. this is corruption, plain and simple. [cheers and applause] hoarse elizabeth warren. we are asking democrats, your choice for president in 2020. (202) 748-8000 for those of you in the eastern and central time zones. mountain and1 pacific. this was brought up earlier about women running for president in 2020. this is from page of the new

york times, party tension, can a woman defeat trump? joyce cusack would love to see a woman as president in her lifetime, she is not certain it should happen in 2020. are we ready in 2020? i don't think we are, said ms. democraticormer national committee number. voters may not want to take another chance after hillary clinton was met with distrust and hostility in swing states. the chairwoman of the iowa democratic party sees a different reality after a record woner of democratic women in the 2018 midterms. cusack like miss .upported hillary clinton primary gets

underway with elizabeth warren and several other women likely to be early contenders, competing narratives have emerged about the possibility of another woman leading the democratic ticket. interviews with three dozen party members and posters shows that. your thoughts on 2020 darius? caller: thank you for taking my call. host: you bet. caller: what the democrats have forgotten is most of the trump supporters, the people that voted for him were really voting anti-clinton. the democrats, i believe, in order to regain the presidency must get a more centrist backing. joe biden would be a good candidate if he had someone of a

backing like general colin powell to stand up for him because i believe general colin powell would be the perfect person to unseat the republican ticket. too bad he is not running. there are lots of people on both sides of the aisle that really respect that man for what he has done and what he stands for. host: colin powell has chosen not to run previously, when you think you might be amenable to running in 2020? saying that he would, but that's what the get theneeds to cohesion back into this country.

we are two separated right now. -- too separated right now. we need someone where the right can say this guy is a good ticket, and the left can say this guy is a good ticket. host: next up, los angeles. caller: longtime listener of c-span. really enjoy your morning shows. anyway, i would like to see john kerry throw his hat back into the ring. i know he ran for president in the past. i think he has an excellent record as far as his background is concerned. he is a vietnam veteran. he has military experience. he was secretary of state. he has international experience. i have nothing against bernie sanders. i was a little disappointed in hillary clinton. i felt that if she could not unite the democratic party by at sandersnsidering bernie

as part of her ticket, how could she unite the country? that is my comment. clintonviously hillary handily,tate why do you think she was unable to unite the states as you said? caller: as you know, bernie sanders was a popular candidate in those states. if she had picked him, i'm sure maybe the supporters of bernie sanders may have said he is not at the top of the ticket, but at least he is on the ticket and would have been able to give hillary some advice on some of that the people who supported him have. she could not even reconcile with bernie.

i did not like when her husband allowed the attorney general on the plane at the tarmac. it was almost a comedy of errors on her part. i just felt that way. thank you for your time. host: thank you for your insight and being up with us early in l.a. news on the potential u.s. withdrawal from syria. this is from the associated press. syria withdrawal is waiting on conditions. john bolton, national security advisor, said today the u.s. military withdrawal from northeast syria is conditioned on defeating the remnants of the islamic state group and on turkey assuring the safety of turkish fighters allied with the u.s. said that there was no timetable for the pullout of u.s. forces, but insisted it is not an unlimited commitment.

following up to that on twitter, this tweet this morning, she says ambassador bolton, who meets on tuesday with erdogan, is seeking to publicly assure the kurds in a way that donald trump did not with his announcement of withdrawal. run would you like to see as we are 13 months away from the iowa caucuses in february 2020? staten island, rose. caller: thank you so much. it is such a relief to hear how many people agree with me. sayve not heard anyone else hillary clinton should have as herrnie sanders running mate. she would have one. they did not allow trump to run against bernie sanders.

knows sanders would have one. as much as hillary clinton, she was too unpopular with all of the males. for some reason could not get on board with her. the i will caucus, how is it a tie? we don't have answers to that. in answer to your question, i really like governor andrew cuomo. centralized the nra once and for all. teddy roosevelt is turning in his grave because it is a monopoly, and it has the influence of communist russia. we need to have someone like governor andrew cuomo, who is helping to do organize the trump organization, and he has proven himself. host: is it your sense that

governor cuomo is leaning in that direction of perhaps running? no.er: i think he will only join -- he wants to serve out the rest of his running mate. -- his term. he would be a great running mate. i think he will wait to see if biden will get in first. he could be a running mate. he is the one with the affordable care act to implement in new york state. look at puerto rico. he is the one that rescued puerto rico. we have to focus on all these different moving parts. he is now revamping the transit system in new york city, penn station, all of our bridges. michael bloomberg with him. at least michael bloomberg has shown his honesty and integrity

where is money and influence around the world has not been corrupt. host: thank you. we appreciate your input. here is new york's newsday, one of their long island columnists with the headline that says, democrats need to pick a person, not a concept to beat trump. fox news pollif showed 55% of voters would choose someone else over donald trump while 38% would vote to reelect the incumbent. that is roughly where the whole numbers have been since the week after donald trump took office. 36% of voters said they would vote for trump over what they call a generic democratic candidate in 2020. 46% would pick the democrat with 20% undecided. he writes, politics is not the pharmaceutical business with generic drugs.

candidates are not interchangeable. you can read more at newsday.com. democrats, it is only, and your thoughts on 2020, charles. caller: appreciate taking your my call. -- appreciate you taking my call. this.ughts are 2016 was an anomaly. i think we can throw those results out. they were skewed by russian interference and other things. let's look at 2020. it is not a given that trump is going to be in the race. whoever is is going to be throwing all the criticism they can at the democratic party. thehoughts on that is

liable candidates should form a coalition and decide amongst themselves, who is best qualified to be president, vice president, and philly cabinet of fill theat nation -- phi cabinet of this great nation. we only get one opportunity to get it right. 2016,if you look back to could you envision a scenario like that where we have eight or 10 democrats running in primaries much like the republicans did in 2016? caller: i say let's do away with the primary and let them decide amongst themselves. we can get behind whoever they decide and go for it. host: that is charles in alabama. back to the washington post article on iowa and other potential candidates. democrats hungry for 2020, it is not just elizabeth warren

drawing interest in what is viewed as the widest open caucus contest is 2004. included standing room only turnout in an event advertised on a discussion of agriculture issues and hosted by the boone county democratic offices. senator kamala harris gave a speech in ankeny, iowa. of,was greeted by a shot run for president. they are paying attention because they don't think this guy can be reelected, said representative john delaney of maryland, who has already visited all 99 counties. 2016 was not a good primary. more from that later on as we go to texas and hear from margaret.

good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i think the democrats should actually choose a ticket like president and vice president instead of just one. i think clinton is out. i held my nose last time and voted for her. clinton is part of the oligopoly wall street crowd. they have had their day. i wish the clintons would retire and just take care of their grandchildren. renhink on the ticket, war and bernie sanders, who i love, are very valuable in the senate. they should stay there. if i was looking at what you would say is a democrat who has been there for quite a while, i really like sherrod brown if you want someone who is in there already.

another person on the ticket should be someone of the younger generation. it should be maybe kamala harris, cory booker, or someone else. i am not saying which one should be president or vice president, but i think they should choose a ticket and run the ticket rather than just one person for president. host: thank you. also in texas, david. who would you like to see run in 2020? o'rourke.to he runs a clean campaign. he runs a clean campaign against ted cruz. cruz beat him, but just barely. he's sweet spot. i think o'rourke stays on message. he can raise money. that ind to that --

texas. host: were you surprised that beto o'rourke did as well as he did? caller: i was not. i was basically an independent. i was talking to some of the and indence i work for, was not surprised. i think he ran a good campaign and work for every vote he got. host: that is david in texas betosting that o'rourke -- o'rourke. a recent guest on our booktv program, the power of the middle class chain go she writes sheldon womack is 60 years old, one of a group that did not get the life without being well-educated would provide. she is still plagued by the

sense that i must have done something terribly wrong along the way. she says she and her husband fight about money, scrutinize their spending, and regret the purchases they make. over the last few years, i have spoken to hundreds of people like her who define themselves as middle-class but are seriously economically challenged. illness could mean bankruptcy. i talked to many people who had college degrees, yet were shaken by endless debt. from the cost of college degrees to paying for a child's medication. any democrat who wants to win the white house in 2020 is going to need to harness the power of these voters. the race has started, including the recent announcement of an exploratory committee by elizabeth warren of massachusetts, who is already

started to emphasize how the middle class has hollowed out. florida, good morning to john. caller: hello? host: go ahead. caller: thank you. much love for c-span. i am a real democrat. martin luther king was a great man. the democratic party used to be a great party. it has abandoned the working man. open, flowing with people that are helping make this country's third world a third-- this country world country. democratic party, you have to come back to the working man and woman. you are embarrassing when you say stuff. this is embarrassing. take your act together. i love you, but you are embarrassing.

i don't know what else to say. i don't know who is going to run moralill have any kind of -- god, the democratic party, come back to america. you have abandoned america. god bless america. i don't know who is going to run, but the democratic party has got to come back and think of america. host: until 8:00, taking democrats only. (202) 748-8000 for those of you in the eastern end central time zones. (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific. your thoughts on who should run in 2020. it is the 16 of the government shutdown. from page of the washington post, meeting yields no deal on shutdown. the shutdown has halted paychecks of hundreds of thousands of federal workers. officials met for two

hours without reaching a deal to reopen the government. inside the eisenhower executive office building, vice president pence refused to budge from the $5 billion donald trump has commended for his border wall according to democratic officials briefed on the conversations. the president heading to camp david for a meeting described as a border security meeting. the president tweeting about the shutdown and wall, saying we cannot allow people to pour into the united states undetected, undocumented, unchecked. i voted when i was a senator to build a barrier to keep illegal immigrants from coming in. mick mulvaney part of the discussions. he was interviewed for this morning's morning edition of

meet the press. here is what he had to say. [video clip] day in a up the other private meeting with the big eight leaders in the senate and the house. was willing to agree to take a concrete wall off the table. if that is not evidence of our willingness to solve the problem , because what is driving this is the president's desire to change the conditions at the border. if he has to take give up a concrete wall to replace that with a steel fence so the democrats can say he is not building a wall anymore -- >> you want the headline to be the president no longer wants a wall, he wants offense? fence? >> i think yesterday he said it would be a 30 foot high steel barrier. twoold the democrats this

weeks ago, this is what we want to build. do you think this is a wall? under the way the law is written now, technically it is not a wall. host: mick mulvaney on this morning's meet the press. all the sunday shows re-air on c-span radio every sunday at noon eastern. the speaker of the house nancy pelosi on cbs sunday morning program. she is talking about where things stand in the negotiations. [video clip] >> are you recalibrating your assessment of how you can work with this president? >> let me first say our purpose in the meeting at the white house was to open up government. the impression you get from the president that he would like to not only close government, build a wall, but also abolish congress. the only voice that matters is his own. >> do you really believe what you just -- >> i do.

i think effectively what he would like to say is it doesn't matter what congress sends me, it just matters what i insist upon. that is not the way a system of checks and balances works. host: backdoor topic this morning. who do you want to see run for president in 2020? democrats only. tony in california. caller: good morning. i like adam schiff. i think he has a steady hand. he is not flamboyant. i think from the last caller, he was talking about what is embarrassing. i think what is embarrassing is elizabeth warren stomping on what a big liar trump is, and forhas perpetuated a lie years. people are willing to sweep that lie under the rug.

he told one line, and we let that slide. then we start vetting him when he became president. i don't think she should even be in the race because i don't think she knows how to tell the truth. you have people rallying around her like she is not a liar. that is the embarrassing part. timenk bernie sanders' has come and gone. he is better as a senator. i guess she would be better as a senator. i don't see her being presidential. the way she considered herself ethnic and a woman of color just to capitalize at harvard, i think that is one of the biggest lies in america. how is she stumping for the truth? -- doug iss next next from virginia.

caller: i don't know the exact person who should run, but i think we need somebody a little younger. understandsbody who what we need for the future. somebody who understands what is going on in this country. i know my time has come and gone. that will bring the younger generation off their es and into the polls. host: you're feeling that hillary clinton, bernie sanders, their time has come and gone. caller: it has come and gone. the o rourke guy in texas. that is a good name.

somewhere between 45 and 55, maybe even younger than that. mid-40's,heir somebody that knows how it's been for the last 20 years. understands all this new technology we've got and understands how to best use it, utilize it. somebody that represents the working man. host: thank you. arizona, jean. caller: good morning. i think terry mcauliffe would be a good candidate for the democrats. governor,er virginia chair of the party. what qualities do you think he has? any body that is in the

middle will be donald trump. i was an 80-year-old disabled vet. i just turned 80 yesterday. host: happy birthday. weler: let me say this, think we are the greatest country in the world. we are not. if we cannot have a single-payer medical for every american, we are not the greatest country in the world. the republicans say that is socialism. give me what i've got to say. i go to the v.a. for my medical. i don't have medicare or anything. service is there. we need to stand up for the middle class of america. god bless all the veterans and active-duty. for donald trump, i don't think i will waste my time with that

man. host: thank you for your call this morning. the president tweeting this morning, heading up to camp david to hold a security briefing at the presidential retreat. the president tweeting, the only reason they don't want to build a wall is that walls work. 99% of illegal border crossings will end. we will save billions of dollars a year. a properly planned and constructed wall will pay for itself many times a year. this tweet from texas senator john cornyn who says, mexico's president should raise pay across borders so immigrants will have no reason to cross into the u.s. caller: my preference at this time is senator warren from

massachusetts. i think she is very qualified. i agree with her almost 95% of the time. i think she would have a good chance to win. i think -- hope she takes some honey and lemon for her throat. betold also suggest o'rourke for vice president. he would be a great choice for getting independents in the south and west. host: tracy in tennessee. good morning. go ahead. caller: i would like to encourage senator mark warner of virginia to run. i think he could bring moderates and liberals together. host: a number of senators, obviously senator warren. calling for senator warner of virginia.

another likely presidential candidate is senator cory booker of new jersey. here he is last month in new hampshire talking about his vision for america. [video clip] >> we should not be a nation where mentally ill, folks with mental illnesses are stigmatized, where they cannot get the health care they deserve, where people put aside prescription drugs because they cannot afford them. how can we be a nation that was built on education that is now this investing in public education? a criminalhave justice system that treats you better if you are rich? in thousands of jurisdictions, children can easily find unleaded gasoline more than unleaded water. you know that if it is to be, it is up to me. that is what i celebrate. that is what our country must have going forward.

i call upon everyone here to continue the work. you heard it from my colleague, jeanne shaheen. you heard it from maggie. we know change is not made one fell swoop. it is not a light switch. martin luther king said those things at the end of march over the edmund pettus bridge. how long will it take justice to happen? not long because no lie can forever. how long? not long because the art of moral universe is long, but it then -- bends towards justice. [applause] you are not waiting for that arc to bend inevitability. the only way this country has ever seen justice happen is for

us to be the benders of the arc. host: in the washington, they candidates plenty of coming to iowa to meet with democratic activists. castro, former housing and urban development secretary insanitary and their is planning stops in iowa city and cedar rapids. punishment delaney will open a congress -- congressman delaney will open an office. campaigning to preach president trump said in an interview that trumps actions have added as our event highly charged dizziness. your thoughts -- dizzy as in. enthusoughts -- iasm. your thoughts as morning on you

like to see run. we hear next from quentin in utah. caller: good morning. i supported bernie sanders in 2016. vote.too young to my perfect ticket would be warren and booker. i am studying to be an elementary teacher. i think warren and booker would actually invest in education. host: ok. robert. caller: i am 82 years old. we have so many great candidates. o'rourke of be

harris ofwarren of -- senatoria and my doug jones. trump active on twitter this morning. he often is on the weekend. times if stated many the democrats take over the house or senate, there would be disruption in the financial markets. they only want to impeach the because they know they cannot win the 20. -- in 202. 0. cruz is not that popular tin texas. ran against john cornyn,

he would have lost by 10 or 15 points. the only candidate i would have voted for is jim webb. the rest of them are a bunch of liberal communists. thank you. carol, whow york, would you like to see run? caller: i'm so sorry. i have not seen anyone in the democratic party i am impressed with. the impression i was left with during the kavanaugh hearings was extreme embarrassment. it is an extreme embarrassment that they will not work with our president and give him respect of the office. as a woman, i am very much ashamed of some of the women in the language they are using. i am very ashamed. unless the democrats can come up with someone other than probably joe biden would be the only one if i was forced to. right now, i will stick with our

president. host: thank you. we hear next from brian in west virginia. caller: how you doing? host: doing fine. thank you. caller: richard o jette is a state senator in west virginia. he lives in one of the most devastated states. he is youngblood. i think it would be fantastic to represent the democrats for his progressive thinking. host: what is his name again? richard ojenner. host: he is a state senator in west virginia? caller: correct. host: what is the balance of power in west virginia? you have a democratic government. it is predominantly

republican. hopefully it will change. he understands about the trials and tribulations of the people that have not had and at this point in time want to have. class, bute middle people are forgetting about the working underpaid class. people are working two or three jobs just to make it. host: appreciate that. the other story this morning, continued government shutdown, mainly over president trump's request for $5 billion funding for the border wall. democrats refuse to do that. times.comve piece at ny shows you just how much of the border wall has been built. in their piece, they look at what has actually been 1954 miled along the u.s.-mexico border. trump hasresident

said he wants a 1000 mile wall of concrete or steel. he has commissioned eight prototypes. no reporter walt has been built or funded by congress. -- border wall has been built or funded by congress based on those prototypes. since he took office, no new miles of barriers have been built. some existing barriers have been replaced. congress has approved 124 miles of new and replacement barriers using designs already in place. to virginia, we hear from christine. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am a c-span junkie from way back. i love your show. i think we need somebody that is going to not just draw the , butcan people toward her

also be able to speak to our allies around the world and restore our sense of leadership and stability. i think it is going to be amy klobuchar, who i have been keeping an eye on in minnesota. she has a great background. she is a progressive democrat. she has the rural america, farmers and those folks. she comes from that area. i'm surprised nobody else has mentioned her. host: thank you. we will hear next from gil in jamestown. who would you like to see run? caller: good morning. i'm impressed with governor jay inslee for a number of reasons. he has been the governor for two terms in washington state.

they just stand assault weapons n assault weaponsed for those under 18. his mother was a sales clerk. his father was a teacher. he and his attorney general successfully sued trump over the muslim ban. he is proenvironment, which is very good. he voted for the aca. he was also a former member of congress, so he knows people in congress. he has been married to his dear wife for 46 years. he has three kids. he is a line of governors and a progressive state. they have a wonderful track record. individualsther

were calling from the west coast, i would hope they would echo my sentiments. every other person that has been mentioned are eminently qualified for the office, however i think they would round out the ticket nicely as vice president to run with governor jay inslee. us clear are calling across the country in north carolina, across the country from the washington state government. what got you interested in the governor? caller: he has a great track record. he is a true democrat. he is the democrat i think would like to see occupied the office of president. he would put the country on the correct vision and the correct path that the u.s. needs to be on. host: thank you for calling this

morning. whoever is the candidate, there will be new voters in florida. this is part of the front page of the washington post. registerx felon set to with restored voting rights. they write that one of the largest enfranchisement of u.s. citizens in the past century begins tuesday in florida. many of the more than 1.4 million ask felons set to regain their voting rights treat the day as the celebration. it will be a joyous day. possible when voters in november overturned 1868 ban blocking felons from automatically having their voting rights restored.

kathy is next in new hampshire. caller: good morning. the people i am interested in hearing from soon would be senator brown from ohio, amy klobuchar, someone i am most interested in so far. i would like to hear from small harris. i want somebody who is strong, intelligent, and is really a decent person. i think the country is going to be looking for someone a lot less theatrical and full of antics, to put it mildly, from child. in new hampshire, we are pretty fortunate we get to see people. i saw cory booker couple weeks ago. i know elizabeth warren's committee has been taking plans to be here soon. widee blessed to have a slate of people to choose from. host: appreciate the call.

we hear next from bill in tens of any. go ahead. -- pennsylvania. go ahead. thank you for taking my call. i think sherrod brown would be an excellent candidate. experience, a centrist, and has labor backing. that is what you need. you need somebody in the middle that can pull some of those transporters back over the line. anybody but trump. he is a disaster for this country. host: the washington post this morning, headline, california has an earlier say in primaries. on february 3 of the very day iowan's convene for the caucuses, early voting will begin in california. the state will be part of a march 3 super tuesday contest

that will include texas, alabama, massachusetts, north carolina, oklahoma, tennessee, vermont, and virginia. allocate time and money among all these states may well be the most crucial tactical decision any of the campaigns have to make. next in hawaii, good morning. good morning, leroy. it is probably a little too early to see who is a viable candidate or a strong front runner. what i would like to say to both democrats and republicans is something obvious. tyrants, dictators, desperate's despots have several things that seem to be consistent. they promised big change for their base, more power and more wealth. they tried to get rid of free press, promote their own side of

the news. they find somebody to hate or people to hate. the person usually gets wealthy. the list goes on and on. it would be worthwhile for our nation to look at who is leading our country now. that is all. host: thank you for being up early with us in hawaii. more "washington journal" we will be joined by david adesnik, who is director of research at the foundation for defense of democracies to talk about the trump administration's foreign-policy. later on, reporters from iowa and new hampshire will be joiningand new hampshire will be joining us to talk about campaign 2020. we will broaden the discussion out to talk about republicans as well. first up, this week on newsmakers, two new house committee chairs talk about the priorities and what their committees will be doing. here are rules committee chairman jim mcgovern and

veterans affairs committee chair -- of california. [video clip] every major piece of legislation comes through the rules committee before it goes to the floor. we consider -- we decide how the bill will be considered, we arbitrate jurisdictional disputes. it is a very influential is about and it policy. you need a good process to get the policy. to one -- the way i want work it is to have the rules committee be a more accommodating place. where the whole process is not rigged. of my critiques of republicans is that they rigged the process. they had the most closed congress in the history of our country.

ideas were routinely blocked. that has to stop. going to look va like in 10 to 12 years? position to best serve the increasing numbers of women veterans, minority veterans, we know that women do not utilize their benefits the same way as their male counterparts. we need a way that removes the barriers to a diverse veteran population. i want to talk briefly about the g.i. bill. for-profitssues with colleges and a for-profit industry being predatory with veterans and veterans are finding themselves spending down

the benefits through andpulative marketing getting degrees they cannot use or credits they cannot transfer. i will be addressing the student veterans of america this weekend. this is a huge mission. host: you can see the interviews today at 10:00 and 6:00 eastern on c-span. you can watch them any time at c-span.org. joining us for the next half adesnik,o is david head of research at the foundation for defense of democracies. with us this morning to talk about the trump administration's foreign policy. withll start overseas national security advisor john bolton telling israel that the president feels that the withdrawal of u.s. troops from israel ticket condition of

defeating -- israel's condition of defeating the islamic state do not align with united states. what methods -- message do you think the president sent when he said he was going to withdraw u.s. forces? guest: he sent the message that everything his team had been saying for the previous three months was no longer american policy. thathad a firm commitment they were going to sustain troops until they were sure the islamic state was not going to come back. host: did that decision by the president and his advisers give us an indication of what may be ahead for how he will make the decision on afghanistan? guest: i think it did. it goes back to what he described when he gave his original speech on afghanistan. a talked about how his instinct was to pull the troops but

listening to his advisors, he went the other way and had occasional indications, unexpected outbursts on syria such as at a campaign rally in ohio in 2018 where he said the troops are coming home soon and then he seemed to be distracted and the team talked him out of that. the samean comes from place, his instinct that he wants to pull troops from foreign locations. host: a decision happening without a permanent secretary of defense in place. patrick shanahan is the acting secretary of defense. how are our allies viewing this? guest: they are quite concerned. some interesting that allies did not give us a heads and if the members of the

cabinet don't know what is going to happen, it is unlikely that allies are going to get more of a warning but it is a concern that major can -- major decisions will be made without their input. the kurds have lost thousands of lives fighting isis my our side and they are the ones are going to be left high and dry very soon in syria. host: is there any sense in terms of the position, that the president is close to naming a secretary of defense? of somebodyatter who has the president's confidence to rise to that position. the name that began to get mentioned was jim webb, a former democratic senator. president trump shot that down. all the names being mentioned are at the mention stage only. most interesting is the people who live in mention for the

longest time like senator tom cotton, someone who publicly criticized does it -- the decision to withdraw. host: -- have arrested them -- arrested a man in moscow, accusing him of being a spy. he was revealed to be a former marine, discharged. is this part of a larger political game on the part of the russians and how serious of an issue is this? guest: it is a serious issue anytime another american is taken into custody overseas. there are americans who sometimes commit crimes overseas but there are effective -- there are dozens of americans effectively being held hostage in iran and turkey. it is interesting to see what will happen. the russia case is unusual. it has come out that this person has multiple passports and a record of theft in his time in the military. it is hard to figure out what is

happening but it is certainly possible. the bigger case of retaliation is what the chinese are doing. the canadians at our instigation arrested a top text you think you from china and china are basically collecting canadians off the street without much pretense. host: that they wind up arresting americans? orthis a three-way conflict is it between the chinese and the canadians? guest: it is absolutely involving us. we are talking about the problems that tech companies awei, they are taking our technology through means illicit and -- host: david adesnik is our guest, director of research at the foundation for defense of democracies. we welcome your calls and comments. we are talking about the trump administration's foreign policy. (202)-748-8000 the number to call for democrats. republicans, (202)-748-8001.

for independents, and all others, (202)-748-8002. looking into 2019, we are already talking about some of the issues on the table. what do you see as the biggest challenge the foreign policy for the administration this year? guest: one is figuring out how the syrian withdrawal actually works. i have been talking to pentagon officials and many major decision is made with so little notice, it is hard to work out the details. the logistics are how do we get the troops and equipment out safely but then you have the difficult questions like how do we protect the kurds? if we were going to withdraw, there could have been a negotiating process. this is something the russians and iranians and turks desperately want. we could have gone to the negotiating table and say what guarantees can you give us to protect the kurds if we withdraw? we put the concession out there was a certainty, we give up the

leverage. host: what is happening in afghanistan in terms of the telegram? -- of the taliban? guest: they are not going very far. in part, the policy -- will make them want to negotiate that we have only shown that we will give -- get weaker militarily. the afghan government has been losing more ground. the more we continue to push these talks without being from a basis of strength, their long-term strategy, we have the watches, they have the time. host: back to the political front, the domestic application of that is those sorts of comments strengthen the president's decision to withdraw u.s. troops, particularly in a more accelerated rate. guest: as things get worse in country, it makes him less and less willing to end her a losing

endeavor. why is he putting his reputation out there if things are not succeeding? a bigve a -- he gave speech when he first of the numbers of troops, promising victory. now he is reverting to that policy he wants rejected. host: let's go to our calls. we first go to new jersey. caller: good morning america. happy new year to everyone across the country. of this trauma administration's foreign-policy decisions -- trump administration's foreign-policy decisions are terrifying to me. the fact that we would get a call from a turkish president and all of a sudden withdraw all of our troops from syria only proves that he has a personal relationship with these foreign governments and that terrorizes

me for america. real quick, i wanted to say on your last segment, i was trying to call in. i pray that michael bloomberg runs for president. , basicallyservative a republican. host: thank you for that comment but back to her comment on president erdogan and that phone call with president trump. guest: it is striking. the reporting indicates there was no major consideration of a withdrawal and then during this call with everyone, basically everyone began to challenge him. trump began to push back because everyone has threatened violence against the kurds. he said he is going to start the violence in the northeast as well. trump began saying i'm going to let you handle this problem and one of the biggest issues was the government's policy was we want turkey to take over the

fight against isis. that is like asking the arsonist to deal with the fire. turkey has long been in bed with islamic extremists. host: john is next in massachusetts. you are on with david adesnik. caller: it goes to show that all crimes are commercial, especially by european descent. especially when this country was taken and basically turned into a plantation because what you guys did, we went from the corporations to the plantation. you got the synagogue of satan rothschild family in israel. bankers andey are this is how the wars have been funded. the money has been laundered through wall street banks, this

has been going on since the 17 -- 1700s. people should look at real history. this is another but whitewashed -- this is nothing but whitewashed imperialistic -- we are going to our independent line. caller: thank you so much. i was wondering if i could call on your guest expertise to describe to the american people possible triggers for a war with iran and what war with iran would look like in the 21st century. basically a technical, analytical fact-based description of what that war would look like. and thank you again for the great service you provide. host: thank you.

guest: i guess i would briefly say with regard to the first call we got, it is saddening to hear that kind of anti-semitic conspiracy theory. it was not long ago that choose were murdered in a synagogue in pittsburgh. something really unthinkable. people i know lost friends and it is that kind of thinking. form ofitism is a racism that is uniquely driven by conspiracy theories. the second point of what would a war with iran look like, i think iran favors asymmetric approach. it would look like a lot of the wars that are building now. shiite militias. eventually, that is how a war iran would launch with israel would be waged.

one of the most dangerous things out the conflict in syria is if we reduce our influence, it is going to help iran buildup syria as a base for aggression. what they have done is effectively control lebanon through hezbollah which controls the country through force but a somewhat -- but also a somewhat legitimate parliament. they have built up a massive rocket arsenal. timescial estimate is 10 what they have. their looking for a chance to open a second front, using syria as a second lebanon. if of the fears i have is syria sees more and more advanced precision weapons coming in, it will go more aggressively against syria and lebanon. if we inflame the region and have multiple countries fighting, we don't know the exact path but it could draw the americans in. host: there was some indication as we were seeing the plan being

developed by jared kushner sometime in early 2019. what is your sense of that? has the involvement of the saudi government, the now pretty much established involvement of the saudi government in the murder of jamal khashoggi, has that slowed down the process of this middle east peace effort? guest: i think it has. the israeli elections are going to cause that to be delayed to some extent. to release something major like that while the israelis are fighting over what their next government is going to be is going to -- host: when do the elections happen? guest:. in march i am fuzzy -- guest: in march. i am fuzzy on the exact date. saudi's, thehe have been some interesting movements in the middle east. the gulf states trying to push a little more into the open in terms of being willing to say

that israel has a right to resist iranian aggression. statements that were once unthinkable from arab governments. host: radio listeners can see some of those discussions at defenddemocracy.org. next we go to larry on our republican line. made a president trump mistake in announcing he was going to remove troops from syria. iran has gained control the middle east. they have i -- they have a shiite sphere. it is waging a proxy war with israel. a tacticalined nuclear arsenal.

we are headed towards a nuclear world war iii. host: thank you for your call. guest: i don't think there was any reason to believe that iran has active nuclear weapons. there were a lot of issues with their program. the israeli heist and intelligence coup has shown that they had a plan to build nuclear weapons that was active and was decelerated likely because of fear of exposure at some point in the 2000s. they likely maintained some of these abilities. the human inspector body has never gone to a ron's military sites -- to iran's military sites. they insisted it was unnecessary. this is a very serious problem with us not looking into what iran has. i disagree strongly with the way the obama administration handled the issue, but they would never

give new their weapons to iran -- give nuclear weapons to iran. -- one of their weak points we are going after. put intoer, the u.s. place very tough sanctions that had been in place before the nuclear deal. even just the anticipation that sanctions were coming back lead to a collapse of the iranian currency. from what we can understand, a major bout of inflation. people have been protesting for over a year, the government's conduct -- corruption and mismanagement. they need to do what they can to push back and show strength. they want to launch satellite launch vehicles which are essentially cloaked ballistic missile tests. missiles were not limited by the nuclear deal, so they have a bit more breathing room. they need to show something where they have strength because they are under pressure. host: let's hear from michael in new york, democrats line.

caller: i want to ask you a question basically about the trump administration's foreign policy. this is the problem i have. this man is a full. -- is a fool. i cannot figure out where he is coming up with this policy. was michaeld me bloomberg actually backing trump on the fact that he was saying that pulling troops from syria was a good idea. i don't understand why he would say such a thing. can you elaborate on why he would say that? guest: one of the most interesting things is that while you see so many experts like jim mattis saying a withdrawal is a mistake, there is a -- there is something of a bipartisan stance in favor of it. i have been scrolling through elizabeth warren's and bernie feeds and theyr have been in favor of pulling

troops out of iraq and there is not been much resistance on syria. there is this desire because of the heavy cost of the war in iraq up until 2011. the continuing cost in afghanistan. the american people for good reason feel like we are tired of fighting in the middle east and there is a desire to show we can pull troops out. if we can bring some home, it is a victory. the problem is what actually happened in syria is we have achieved a tremendous victory by having others do most of the fighting. we only put in 2000 troops. there has been a total of four american fatalities. two of them were an accident. this is what a responsible model of counterterrorism should look like. a small number of americans supporting tens of thousands of local fighters who, themselves are taking thousands of casualties in fighting. they continue to do this since

we announced the withdrawal. that is the vision people would have wanted to put in place. rather than say this is how it should be done, this is what a sustainable victory looks like, you see this desire to pull the troops so you can say you are bringing some home. host: china, another topic area this past week. --sident xi calling up wrapping up a call for reunification with taiwan. the plan finds few takers in taiwan. his first major speak -- major speech. and economist cartoon shows president xi as a dragon. you will be granted the same freedom that hong kong currently enjoys. that is from the economist. patrick shanahan, the new acting isense secretary says china at the top of his list in terms of potential military threats. how do you see this? guest: i think he is right.

in terms of who has the most military capacity, the obvious answer is china. they're the only country that is spending and growing by leaps and bounds and getting to the same ballpark we are. there economy is growing rapidly -- their economy is growing rapidly. -- that china is a long-term competitor. i don't think the president took ownership of it but it is an expression of what secretary mattis and -- secretary mattis and secretary tillerson believed at the time. host: let's hear from virginia. caller: i've got two very quick questions. i wanted to ask if you could comment on the fact that trump has now met with putin and kim

jong-un and have a telephone call with erdogan and we don't have any transcripts of these conversations. could you comment on that? also, trump gave a very inaccurate description of the soviet invasion of afghanistan. could you comment on that? your lastrting with point, i think a lot of people across the spectrum were shocked that trump describe the 1979 invasion of afghanistan as a legitimate response to terrorism . it was something more like their invasion of the czech republic and other places during the cold there was an unpopular communist government allied with moscow provoking resistance amongst its own people, so they invaded to say that. the wall street journal was announcing that history and everyone else is in agreement on that point. host: michael weighs in on twitter, saying that china is

the larger threat. syria is a sideshow. the u.s. presence there is not established beyond defeating isis. we hear from chris in boston on our democrats line. guest: a quick -- caller: a quick question. -- on israeli interference in united states affairs, domestic and foreign. in this documentary, the foundation for the defense of is marked as an unregistered agent for israel. i'm wondering whether your guest becauseent on this apparently the fdd does not wish to comment on it.

guest: we have not been shy about commenting on that. i would like to rebut the false information you have provided to the audience on air. our policy from day one, we do not take money from foreign sources including foreign governments or any other kind. we take only from american donors and foundations. other people continuously try to smear us. that have a position supports strong american policy in the middle east, the best way to undermine that is to accuse them of taking foreign money. we are not happy with it. we are never going to do it. we are glad to have act based based -- fact based debates. host: when did the foundation begin? guest: 2001. host: let's hear from jasmine in alabama. go ahead. , how they question is

portray -- how they break down the understanding of not only how this will but impact us in the south. host: did you pick up on that? guest: i was not clear on what that was. host: do you want to clarify that? how will foreign policy affect us in the south? .e have family and friends host: i am going to let you go there. we have been talking about the president's foreign policy. you mentioned china in terms of the impact of chinese trade. is trade becoming more of a foreign policy to will in the trump -- policy tool in the

trump -- guest: it is a means of exerting pressure. trade deficits are a major weakness. if we import more than a country than we export to it, that is a would guess we have to address. he is definitely at odds with the economic mainstream on that one. deficit -- our trade when we are prosperous, we buy more from abroad. will we are doing poorly, we have lower trade deficits. the most proven way is to have a recession at home. in terms of real conflicts, i don't think previous and ministrations have faced up to the extent that china is waiting to sustained economic warfare to undermine our technology base to create cyber threats that both steal our intellectual property, undermine our technology and create long-term strategic threats. that is essential. host: we have not touched on

this but looking to central and south america, the new president of brazil, much more in line with president trump's solid -- philosophy. the u.s.u see relations with brazil and other south american nations changing during the trump administration? guest: in a way, it has been somewhat of a secondary theater. venezuela has been a prominent issue. we continue to see a socialistic dictatorship imploding. people are starving and they are sending millions of refugees to other countries. brazil's domestic corruption has been driving it more than anything else. the former president in jail, half of their congress indicted. it is a level we have concerns about. host: next on our republican line, welcome.

caller: good morning. i am going to say something and i hope you listen. president obama when he came president after president after president cap russia out of crimea. -- kept russia out of crimea. president obama said there it is, take it if you want it. he pulled the troops out of iraq way to sin. -- way too soon. president trump is standing up for the god of the holy bible. real -- i -- is israel, god's chosen people. host: let's let you go there. guest: we don't know if it is more of an intimidation move. there was a major naval incident

where the russians fired on ukrainian ships. the historical record, obama did not invite an invasion of crimea. we were trying to support the ukraine moving in a democratic direction. what happened was russia marched in and took it. there was a lot of talk about trump and russia and i think the paradox to callout on trumps russia policy is that some of the actual moves have been tougher than what obama did on sanctions another fronts but the rhetoric has been quite disturbing. to see republicans speaking out across the board over what trump said at the meeting in helsinki. thank you for being with us. guest: my pleasure. host: we will turn back to politics next, looking ahead to 2020. . we will hear from -- we will

hear next from radio iowa's o. kay henderson and the concorde monitor's paul steinhauser. back to foreign affairs, we will hear from editor in chief gideon rose on foreign policy. there is more "washington journal" coming. >> media mogul sumner redstone and his battle for viacom. we talked with -- about her book the king of content. >> after he had a battle with prostate cancer and came through, he saw being seen with other young women as a sign of his vitality. being with them was a sign that he could tell the world i am going to live forever as he loved to say. he would go to these hollywood parties and sometimes he would go home with his grandsons date

-- grandson's date. very awkward for the executives in viacom and cbs because he was still the controlling shareholder of these companies but would do really will -- really weird things. >> tonight on c-span's q&a. the senior members of the trump campaign, don jr., paul manafort, jared kushner, meeting with a russian emissary, who they were told was bringing them dirt produced by a secret operation of the russian government to harm hillary. they said yes we will meet with you and take your information. presumably they would use it if they found it useful. they were at least agreeing to conspire or collude with russia throughout the rest of the campaign. trump and his lieutenants again and again denied the russians

were doing anything. andest-selling author washington bureau chief for mother jones magazine will be our guest on in-depth, our lives call-in program. is most recent book, russian , is co-authored with michael isikoff. live from noon to 3:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's booktv. host: for the next hour, we're going to talk 2020 politics. presidential politics with the iowa caucus's 13 months away. we are joined by kay henderson. she is joining us this morning from iowa. paul steinhauser joining us.

he is the new hampshire political reporter at the concord monitor. .ay, we will start with you elizabeth warren making a stop in several places, and iowa. how was she received? she sort of set a marker down for the other candidates to follow in 2019. she had large enthusiastic crowds, overflow crowds. she will later today be meeting with a group of women to talk about issues. she is primarily focused on western iowa and central iowa. the thing that people don't know about the iowa caucus is this is a race for delegates. if you run up the score in the state's urban areas, that does you no good if you don't go any -- if you don't get any votes in the rural areas. in her first trip, she has gone

to traditionally republican areas and rural areas. host: can you tell us off the top of your head, in addition to senator warren, who else of the potential democratic side have you seen through the state? guest: it is a long list. among the senators, senator booker was here. senator harris was here in the months leading up to the general election. western state governors. governor ainslie from washington. montana's governor. colorado's governor. the list is voluminous. the mayor of south bend, indiana. u had the mayor of los angeles here as well -- you had the

mayor of los angeles here as well. host: we will turn to new hampshire next and paul steinhauser joining us this morning. we had a caller earlier mentioned that senator warren is set to come to the state. who have you seen so far? we know cory booker has been there. to test theahead waters? guest: it has been a long list like kay mentioned. a lot of potential contenders dating back to 2017. that is when the early moves started. in the last six months, we have seen everybody except for kamala harris and. we have not seen warren yet. the of this state, most of population of new hampshire is in the boston media market. they are familiar with warren and we will see her in the next week or two. billy once we have not seen has

been vice president joe biden. he has not stepped foot in new hampshire since april 2017. as for who is coming soon, we will see julio castro soon. daysbly just three or four after he will announce his candidacy for the presidency. we will also have washington governor jay inslee as well as john delaney. he is the former three term congressman from maryland who back in july of 2017 announced his candidacy for president just six months into the trump white house. he will be back for his 13th or 14th trip. host: we started the conversation this morning talking about viewers and for 2020' choices candidates. we will broaden that out. if you're a democrat, call (202)-748-8000. republicans, call (202)-748-8001 .

independents and others, (202)-748-8002. talking 2020 presidential candidates for the next hour or so. we will start back with paul steinhauser and ask you, what has changed politically, aside from having a republican president. has the landscape changed at all in terms of how candidates approach campaigning in new hampshire? kay we will come to you momentarily with the same question. guest: new hampshire is famous for its retail politicking. small house parties, or the candidates get to know the voters and the voters get to know the candidates. new hampshire has been the first in the nation primary state. the centennial is coming up next year. in recent cycles, just like everywhere else, it has become a little more nationalized. people are getting their news

not just from the local newspapers and television stations anymore. everything is becoming more national. even that is affecting new hampshire. what is different for the democrats this year, they are much more energized. they had a very good 2018. they were not able to recapture the governorship but they did take back both chambers of the state legislature and they are energized going into the 2020 primary cycle. host: kay henderson, we will pick up with you on that had -- on the energy. you are seeing it in iowa as well. guest: 2018 gave democrats in iowa a mixed result. they had incredibly good federal elections. iowa has four members of congress. they flipped two seats from republican to democrat and now the delegation is three democrats and one republican. that one republican, kyrsten

steve king who wound up winning -- congressman steve king who wound up winning by less than 3%. at the federal level, great news. democrats did not take back either of the iowa house or senate. they lost the governor's race. it was a mixed bag. point after the election, there seem to be restiveness among democrats. with this war and visit and what's ahead -- with this war visit and what's ahead, there is a crucial senate race here and they are hoping the energy from the presidential sweepstakes that will be played out on the ground will be beneficial to the democratic nominee. henderson, news director for radio iowa. paul steinhauser is new

hampshire's political reporter. we are taking calls from across the country. we will start with chicago on our democrats line. caller: good morning. i have a couple questions. is trump's approval rating like in iowa? secondly, it is kind of a comment and question. of info thatt trump is unbeatable. i am not understanding where that i -- where the ideas coming from. the lost the vote of the american people. how does that make him unbeatable when we just flipped michigan and wisconsin? host: the president's approval rating and how he plays in iowa. guest: there has not been an approval rating taken since the government shutdown. a rating that was

measured in december might be misleading. we do not know how that is playing with iowa republicans, democrats and independents. iowa republicans are firmly behind president trump. the chairman of the iowa republican party has attacked fellow republicans who have questioned trump's leadership, namely nebraska senator ben sasse who has often been offered a critique of the president. in december, when i interviewed the chairman, he said all are welcome to come here. iowa republicans will have a caucus on february 3, 2020. if senator sasse wants to come here and challenge president trump, he is welcome to do so. leadership, party they are not canceling the caucuses. also senator flake would be

welcome, the former senator and former governor john kasich who both notably spent time in new hampshire but have not set foot in iowa. host: paul steinhauser in new hampshire, give us the polls of the president's popularity there. guest: we have not seen any polls here just sash polls here since just before the midterm election. among republicans, 83% approval rating. it is a good question when it comes to if there is a primary challenge against the president. if there is one, new hampshire is going to plea -- going to be the place where it is going to start. john kasich, very well known here, came second place to donald trump. he came back twice to the state last year including that trip right after the midterm elections. he still has a base of support here.

if there is going to be a primary challenge for the start in new hampshire, flake has also been to the state and has made a visit in the past year. there are a lot of trump supporters here, don't get me wrong. there was a push by two of the top trump supporters in the state to change the bylaws of the state republican by party -- the bylaws of the state republican party. there was a push by two of the top supporters to try and change the rule to back the president in the primary. they decided to give up on that after a lot of opposition. interesting times ahead. host: we will hear next from -- guest: i would like to add. host: go ahead quickly. that iowaight add republicans did not hold caucuses in 1992 when george h.w. bush was seeking reelection. to the idea that they are not

changing the rules here is significant as it is in new hampshire where they are not essentially changing party rules to give the president a pass. host: the iowa caucuses happening february 3 in 2020. we go to joe in missouri. caller: i would like to ask paul why are the northeast states so democrat and so liberal? why is that part of the country of that political persuasion? no one is going to beat trump in the republican nomination, especially sissies like jeff flake, a total punk and so is kasich. someone will to their butts off and they deserve it -- someone will chew their butts off and they deserve it. guest: a lot of the northeast votes democrat. new hampshire itself is a very purple state. we have a democratic delegation

to congress and a republican governor. that is one of the reasons why we are a perfect place for the first in the nation primary. donald trump by far would be the favorite right now in any presidential primary on the republican side. all that said, if there is going to be a challenge, i could see it starting to form here in new hampshire. host: we will go to larry in cincinnati, talking 2020 politics. caller: thank you for c-span. a guest kind of stole my thunder as a related to other there could be a republican primary. by first question would be to both reporters. is there a gut feeling that there will be a republican primary? my position is that i think trump is going to win in 2020.

is there any democrat that could west wall?hat trump won ohio, michigan, indiana, pennsylvania, like the whole midwest with the exception of illinois. is there any democrat who can penetrate that? host: lets start with kay henderson. your thoughts? guest: that is an interesting conundrum that will be presented to senator warren. she comes from massachusetts which has produced two recent nominees in john kerry and michael the caucus -- michael dukakis. you have -- saying the party needs to switch to a midwestern eat those and then you have westerners like kamala harris

and the governors of states like montana and washington state and colorado who are arguing that the mountain west and the west has something to offer, a different kind of approach. that is something that democrats are going to have to sort out. did they want to choose a nominee who comes from a part of the country as sort of a signal or do they want to choose a nominee that will go toe to toe with donald trump? do they have someone who has both of those characteristics? the race is so unformed at this point, it is hard to know. that is the discussion that is happening and an argument that those candidates are turning to make. host: paul steinhauser for that first in the nation primary, is there a sense we could see a field as large as the republican challengers were in 2016? guest: we had 17 or 18 back in 2016.

right now, there are about 25 or 30 names, democrats who are at least inking about it. it comes to democrats who could win in those crucial midwest states, there are two names. , reaching out to a lot of people in new hampshire and top democrats. i have heard a lot of democrats in the state we need someone from the midwest who can reach out to those kinds of voters. one other name is joe biden who hails from pennsylvania. that was a key state that trump took in 2016. a lot of people that -- a lot of people feel that biden could relate to working-class voters in those states that donald trump took. is notank tweets the rnc trump have anyone

be a challenger. has the trump reelection campaign started to make a presence in new hampshire? guest: a lot of the same players from 2016 bully back for 2020 in the state. of one of the trump campaign in new hampshire in 2016 is the leading candidate to be the next chair of the state republican party. he has vowed he will stay neutral but he was a major trump supporter in 2016 and could be steering the state party here. one thing about new hampshire is we allow independents to vote in our primary. they can go democrat or republican. that is what makes it such a crapshoot sometimes. that could make it interesting. host: kay henderson, are we starting to see if her structure in iowa for the president --

infrastructure in iowa for the president's reelection? guest: absolutely and the president himself has begun to do that. he has had three campaign style rallies in iowa already. he came back in june of 2017 and had a rally and right before the election he had an absolutely bonkers rally, boisterous, well attended by iowans and nebraskans. he has not ignored the state of iowa. he has had several campaign events here. he has campaigned for candidates who actually wound up losing on the republican side. iowa amonghas kept the states where he has a footprint and he will be able to take up a campaign fairly quickly. paul steinhauser, go

ahead. guest: i just want to add to that, new hampshire is a special place or donald trump. it was his first victory. he won the primary here pretty convincingly over that huge republican field and that boosted him to win the nomination and then the white house. he has only been back here once for a official visit. that was last year. while he has not made in the campaign style visits, he did come back once. host: rick in tennessee, go ahead. caller: i wanted -- i was wondering if either one of you guys had heard of jerry brown. governor --o turn -- two term governor in california. think he would be good. host: let's start with kay henderson. are other governors

potentially coming into the democratic race? guest: i covered jerry brown the last time he ran for president. he has not set foot in the race. there is a primary among the californians who are putting their toe in the water. the previously mentioned senator, kamala harris. -- a california congressman from the northern part of the state. the mayor of los angeles. you have a california primary among those sorts of folks. already mentioned governor in the. -- governor inslee. he campaigned here in iowa in june, on behalf of the democratic candidate for at a iowand appeared democratic party fundraiser. the montana governor has spent a good deal of time here as well.

he was traipsing around the iowa state fairgrounds this past august. he was -- he arty knows the lay of the land -- he already knows the lay of the land. you have the governor from colorado. oftentimes candidates like to talk about their connections to the state of iowa. those are the main three governors who have made some inroads here already. host: we will hear from a new england state, next. connecticut. on our democrat line. caller: first of all i would like to say i am embarrassed to see how we are we are having the screaming female out again. i would like to see -- but i feel that to win some of the republicans over, we have to put

a nail in it. i love sheldon whitehouse. he is brilliant. he had one problem when he went in which i will not even mention. he fixed that. he has no ego which is wonderful in a politician. i do not know enough about his , being ad but i feel political junkie forever, that he should run. that is who i like. host: paul steinhauser, your thoughts? --st: we have not seen: sure but that is an interesting thought. here is another woman who just recently visited our state. , theawaii congresswoman first hindu in congress, and iraq war veteran. kirsten gillibrand of new york,

just before the midterm elections. just some of the visitors we have had. guest: -- has spent time in iowa. gillibrand has not. cold-ish are -- who won , the weekend 2018 before the election was in iowa campaigning with democrats here. she has spent a lot of time attending party events in a ,eighboring state and iowans like their neighbors, bob dole won the caucus here twice. iowans have an affinity for a neighbor. host: a washington post piece this week ran a political piece. the headline is before you run

against trump, you have to run against hillary. the question of female candidates. others put it potentially more devastatingly, and she too much like hillary clinton to be the nominee? we will start with kay henderson, the challenges facing women following the defeat of hillary clinton. guest: one of the things that struck me in the 2007 campaign was that barack obama was popular with people partly because of his persona and his change message, but also because there were a number of iowa democrats who did not want to fight the battles of the past. they wanted to move on from the bill clinton presidency and the things that they perceived as negative that were sort of hanging over from that.

in many respects, hillary clinton was never able to sort of cure that among iowa democrats in that she was seen as a person of the past. one of the things that is most interesting to watch among these candidates as they come and make their case is will iowa democrats be looking for a new face and a new voice or will they be attracted to that person that has already been mentioned? joe biden has been there and done that. elizabeth warren who has been in the u.s. senate for a while and has a longer resume that some of the younger voices that will be heard in the party. i think that is more of the discussion that will be happening among democrats. --e to more about philosophy it will be more about philosophy and who they trust to go against

trump, rather than the gender issue. host: paul steinhauser, to pick up on that, what will new hampshire writes -- new be talking about, be looking for in an issue, some of the candidates you are already talking about? sure, clinton had a lot of baggage. we will have not just one but likely multiple high-profile female candidates. elizabeth were income as we talked about, kamala harris, klobuchar, it isk whic a different situation than we had in 20 16. almost every massachusetts candidate that has come here has done well as far

as the primary. that will be an issue for her, but she may be facing off against another neighbor, bernie sanders. remember, he hails from vermont, just to our west. large base a very here. new hampshire voters are pretty similar to everybody else in the country on the democratic side. health care is very important, the environment is very important. the economy and jobs are important. maybe in the state, the opioid epidemic, because it has hit so hard, maybe more so than in other states. like everywhere else in the country, democrats, electability. democrats here, whether they are progressive or not, one thing they say is they want a candidate who can beat donald trump in 2020. that stands out. host: let's get to the call, jason on our democrats line. caller: yes, good morning. i want to get your take on andrew gay.

he got something. has been around iowa, which i will take off their. host: -- off air. host: kay henderson? guest 1: he has been campaigning in iowa. he has staff on the ground here. his name is not known. him tos a chance for move up. he is an unconventional candidate. he has an interesting resume. it will be interesting to see who can come through when you have the likes of a, let harris, -- of awarren, kamala harris, senator warren. a mr.ot sure someone like yang could push through.

here this coming week. he will begin eastern iowa. democratsoll of showed him as a mere blip. ranas invested time, he has campaign ads here, notably during last year's super bowl, and still have not been able to break through in this huge field . paul steinhauser, let me ask you, elizabeth warren, her action fund, a joint fundraising vehicle, her own path allowing wealthy admirers to write six-figure checks. according to campaign finance fund raise. warren for $.9 million during the 2018 cycle and transferred the vast

majority of that to her official senate campaign. our senators a step up because they got money from their previous campaigns? warren: yeah, listen, comes into this campaign with a big war chest already. that gives her a leg up over potential contenders. she is not the only one, though. gillibrand. bernie sanders as well. it is not just the big donors anymore. remember, a lot of the money now comes from online, grassroots online fundraising, which has become a crucial component on the democratic side. one thing, you mentioned andrew yang. he has a small campaign structure here. he isabout yang is proposing a $1000 a month stipend to every american, almost like a living wage. he is doing a promotion in new

hampshire, giving one granite stater $1000 a month over this year. host: let's go back to 2016 for this tweet. he writes "hillary flew over the flyover states. that is why she lost iowa." what is your take on his opinion of that? guest 1: she actually spent quite a bit of time here. she did campaign in iowa. the state she probably wishes she had made a stop in is neighboring wisconsin, which she never dedicated any facetime to. in fortxt up is bruce meade, maryland, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. general questions, really, not really campaign oriented. as the reporters hear from new hampshire and iowa,

there have been a lot of rumblings through the rest of the country that lots of presidential campaigns are set up this way. why iowa caucuses are so important and why new hampshire has the first binary. i know that is -- first primary. i know that is opening a can of worms. i think it is antiquated. i am kind of amazed that we spend so much time in iowa and new hampshire. i do not think that will get an accurate reading for the rest of the country. obviously that is a touchy subject for someone from new hampshire or iowa. host: let's hear from paul steinhauser first. why first in the nation? you said it is 100 years in 2020, right, the centennial. guest 2: exactly. 1920 was the first time new hampshire held the first primary. it really became a factor in the 1950's and more so in the 1970's. new hampshire have a lot going for it. first of all, it is a purple state. second of all, there is a level.

playing field this is a very small state, 1.3 million people. those candidates with little names. easy to get around. that do notgns have a lot of money, it levels the playing field. the tough questions, they are accustomed to seeing these candidates coming to the states. there have been a lot complaints over the years, and, it is too small, b, it is too white. new hampshire has guarded this tradition over the years, and it continues, and it seems to work. it seems like the candidates like coming here. it also seems like the media enjoys coming to new hampshire. it is an easy place to get it from some of the bigger media centers like new york and washington. remember, new hampshire and iowa, their jobs are not to declare the winners, it is more

to narrow the field until the bigger states vote, and this time around in 2020, they will have bigger states like california and texas, right after the window of the early states closes. host: kay henderson, why are the iowa caucuses important? why do they continue to be important, in your view? guest 1: one reason they continue to be important is because a person named jimmy carter basically set up shop here and catapulted themselves state by having a win here. he actually won the number of delegates behind the undecided, so that is why on the democratic side something was set in stone. it is a place you can come. don't have a lot of resources? you can make people face-to-face, and you can test in and sort oft an

living rooms and church basements in a way he would not be able to if you were in a high-stakes state like california. it would be really expensive. you would be flying from tarmac to tarmac, hotel ballroom. it would be a different kind of campaign than it is today. the other reason that iowa and new hampshire our first is has been noe hav agreement among either of the two political parties what the alternative would be. finally, the reason iowa and new hampshire are first, because the person in the white house wants iowa and new hampshire to be first. if there is ever a president elected who does not appreciate the system by which he or she was nominated and elected, it will be fruit basket upset, because the two parties tend to have nominating systems that mirror one another. iowa democrats and republicans have voting on the same night, as do the folks in new hampshire.

in my view, what has kept iowa and new hampshire first. you have obama in the white house, you had george w. bush in the white house, both of and won the iowa caucuses saw it as valuable to keep it that way. host: let's hear from jerry in new jersey on the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. , everybody. democrat.istered i voted for obama, and i voted for trump. something democrats had better have is the radicalism of the party. when you listen to the cursing, the calling trump a "nazi," calling his supporters "toothless" -- it is amazing how far the democratic party has gone down. as long as they continue to do that, they are going to lose support. i will never vote democrat as long as i see these people out

there. they are racist. i mean, they really are racist. host: let me add on to that, a different view where the democrats are. "what happened to the democratic antiwar platform? i do not hear any new candidates talking about it. was it just a political lever when arms were in power?" paul steinhauser. guest 2: that is a big question right now. did they go back and pushed back every moment, do they respond every tweet, or do they try to campaign more in the style of barack obama, more inspirational and aspirational? we have a guy called michael avenatti who was thinking of running t for president, and he came here to new hampshire. his message was you have to take on trump and play his own gain, takenack at every moment,

down by fighting him. some people think that is the way to go. others say no, that is the wrong way to go. if you campaign my donald trump, you become donald trump. it is the question going forward. now some of the declared contenders have different views on which way they should campaign in 2020. host: kay henderson, the democratic messaging you are hearing so far among potential candidates in iowa. said,1: again, as paul there is a debate among the folks who have put their name in the hat as i am thinking about in, ii am dipping my towe might run for president, about how to approach the campaign. do you indeed tweet like the president does, do you use his level of rhetoric, or do you present yourself to voters in a different way? in regards to the antiwar issue, you have democrats out here who are mostly talking about domestic policies, and that

seems to animateat this point. when i am talking about democrats about what they are looking for in a candidate, they are looking for someone who will be a good competitor, and they are looking for someone to address the message issues. -- address domestic issues. rarely do i hear about the war in afghanistan, the withdrawal of troops in syria, or what is going on with russia. those are not top-tier issues for many of the democratic activists out there. host: let's go to virginia. this is joseph on the republican line. caller: good morning. yes, i would like to say i agree with the lady that call from new jersey. me and my wife used to be democrats all of our lives, but after cricket clinton, crooked obama, when you look at all the crimes and bad behavior coming from the so-called democrats,

who are not really democrats anymore, they are radical nuts and bullies. trump, and so did my have and so many neighbors switched from the democratic party to the republican party, because they look at all the bad behavior of the democrats. republicans behave through two terms of the most terms of obama without causing problems, but those who voted for trump and believe in america's people and americans 26 years in the military, that is when he burns me up, when he told american law enforcement and militaries to take down the profiles from myspace and this and that and be ashamed of who they are. the terrorists have more rights

than americans. host: we will let you go there. kay henderson. guest 1: well, i can look to the results of 2018 and compare them to 2016 in two of i was congressional districts. we had to incumbent republican congressman who were representing districts which let's say, trump by, 3% in i was first congressional district, and then they flipped to democrats in this past election. those same voters who elected democrats to represent them in the u.s. house of representatives elected a republican governor. so you really have an interesting dynamic in iowa. that is it is a purple state, it is a swing state. iowa voters tend to split their ticket. i think that that is the hallmark of moving forward and

sort of on the minds of both political parties here, how do we keep our voters in the old rather than having them split their ticket? ,ost: peter steinhauser democrats who supported trump in stay away from the art, fewer opportunities for democrats to lure people over? guest 2: that is not much of a factor over here. there is a perception, and it is actually reality, the base of the democratic party has become much more progressive over the last few years. that is where the energy is in the party. that is true nationally. that is true in new hampshire. republicans nationally and in new hampshire are feeding off of that. here in new hampshire with a democratically controlled state legislature, the state republicans are labeling them as taxist spenders. you will see republicans

fireback at democrats as being too liberal. host: kay henderson, a question for you on twitter. in senate race, which is 2020, how much trouble is joni ernst and because of trump? realizing it is early, but your thoughts on that? guest 1: well, we do not have any really interesting polling data to inform our view of this race. when joni ernst was elected in 2014, many people were shocked by her political instincts. she has sort of prison through the ranks of the u.s. senate. she has become a member of a leadership team. by that, she will be out there talking about the gop agenda, talking about the president's her state in some ways is tied to the president's

state. at this point, in 2019, we do not have a democratic contender who has announced that they will challenge or even think about challenging senator ernest for reelection. former iowa governor tom vilsack is said to be considering it. he had said quite interestingly in december that he does not know if the door is open, closed, or even where the door may be in terms of him making a decision to run against senator ernst. democrats are thinking about who will be best positioned to run against her, who will be able to was anoney, because she incredible fundraiser on her own right for her 2014 race, and she had huge support from outside republican groups who helped her win reelection. u.s. senate will be

up for grabs, and you will have outside groups who will be sums on all ofe these competitive races around the country. host: we are talking 2020 presidential politics. a little over 10 minutes left for your calls and comments for our guests, o. kay henderson joins us from iowa, news director radio iowa. for steinhauser writes "concord monitor." (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans, and for independents, (202) 748-8002. we have had calls from all over the country, but not quite from new hampshire and iowa. peter steinhauser, go ahead. guest 2: there is also an impact here. we have the federal race coming

here in new hampshire as well as 2020. allne shaheen, almost announcing that she is running for reelection. the question for a lot of republicans is who is going to run against her? a lot of republicans in the state would love to see former kaylee -- senator kelly ayotte, who narrowly lost her bid. they would love to see her take on jeanne shaheen. my thought is it will not happen. mytte will sit out, and theory is donald trump. stumbled over a question of whether she thought donald trump was a role model, a role model for children. then she ended up voting against trunk, she publicize that, after the "access hollywood" video. so yes, donald trump will definitely be impacting not only the top of the ticket but the down ballot races here in new hampshire. host: back to your calls, peter

is in massachusetts. caller: thank you for taking my call. -- i thinkomment on theis the jimmy carter of national election. she is only good on two things -- staying true to syria and getting her economic agenda in place. warren, youbeth have got to remember who the governor is -- charlie baker. charlie baker is probably the governor in the country right now. there is no talk about him coming in as president. but for elizabeth warren, last year, a ship showed up. what was on that tanker? washington natural gas. that is very much something warren tries to discourage in her discussion on foreign policy.

there is talk that there is more gas coming by ship in massachusetts. host: peter, let's go there. thatere even a hint governor charlie baker would challenge president trump in 2020? no reporting on back, and i have no reporting that baker is considering a bid. republicanhistory of governors in massachusetts, which is perceived to be a heavily democratic state. there are a lot of independents in massachusetts as well. governor's such as charlie baker, if you go back to the last decade, mitt romney. there was a big question of the time about whether romney would be too liberal to run for the republican nomination. but no, i have not heard any talk about baker's seeking the primary challenge from president trump. host: here is a call out of iowa, randy, go ahead. caller: hi.

i just turned on the show a little bit of go, and i heard john bell sex name mentioned against joni ernst, and i think that would be something that i would could use. -- tom a good candidate, name mentioned against joni ernst, and i think that would be something we could use. we need a good candidate to face off against ernst. host: you said she is nowhere near making a decision, right? guest 1: right. for those who do not know tom vilsack, he was a two-term governor, last on the ballot in 2002. he ran for president in new hampshire and then pulled out of the race rather early in 2007, and doors then senator hillary clinton. obama invited him

to be the u.s. secretary of agriculture, a post that he held for all eight of the obama administration years, so he is well known within democratic circles in iowa and elsewhere. host: lauren in alexandria, minnesota. caller: hi. good morning. and when irs old, was growing up, the women stayed home and took care of the household, and we had a lot better kids and a lot better country, i believe, and i think we need to get back to that. host: we will hear from port charlotte, florida. jim, democrats line. caller: yes. host: go ahead. you are on the air. caller: my point of view is i have lived and voted into countries. i am a democrat in the u.s. all this fighting between the we haveies, why don't

other parties, like other countries do, is in you might get a better represented group into the government system? will not have to compromise with one or two other countries. host: maybe you pointed out both of the republican and democratic primaries in the country holding the primaries on the same day, so obviously a cooperation at least on that level in terms of the cooperation of the primary state. guest 1: yes, yes, agreed. talking about countries that parties, the national parties have weakened over the decade. it is stacked against you if you are going to try to run against the president as an independent or third party candidate. go back to 9092, ross perot ended up with most of the but endedotes

up with 0 electoral votes. it makes it virtually impossible for a third arty to run for the white house. o. kay henderson, is it any easier for an independent approach the caucuses in iowa? those are republican and democratic caucuses, correct? guest 1: they are, and you have a lot of questions. they were a lot of questions sanders -- are you a democrat democrat, or are you a democrat socialist? a name we have not mentioned over the course of the past 60 minutes, michael bloomberg, somebody who was mayor of new york, well-known, well-known businessman. he has been a democrat, he has been a registered independent, and he came to iowa a few weeks ago and said that he is seriously considering running for president. he would be able to self finance, because of his wealth. and you have senator warren this our weekend say that

nomination should not be for sale, a reference not only to michael bloomberg but to tom stier, the california businessman, who has been all over the country holding these need to impeach events. he will be here the following week. kay, a lot of people mentioned wanting to run, putting their toe in the water, doesn't ever feel like some of them are just doing it because they want to get their name out there, and it is not really a serious attempt at running or entering the caucuses there in iowa? guest 1: short answer -- yes. longer answer is people run for many different reasons. parlayed his finish in the 1988 iowa caucuses into a leadership role in the u.s. house of representatives. some folks run because they are aiming for perhaps a cabinet

position from whoever may win the nomination of the presidency. so there are all sorts of reasons people run. to promote a book, whatever. so each person brings with them a group of aims that perhaps they don't explain fully to voters or to the media. host: let's get one more called here and we will get some final thoughts from both of you. from virginia, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i will try to make a quick. i lean democrat, but after the last election, i am more of an independent. mitt romneys about and how the gop party claims to be so far right christian. mitt romney is a mormon, he is a mormon pastor, and mormons are not christians. they do not believe in the trinity, and they actually have their own book that they have written themselves.

i think that the republican party needs to figure out whether they want to back him now. that is my comment. thank you for a much, people. host: paul steinhauser, we will start with you. what you were going to say previously, go ahead. with mitt romney and everyone was talking about his post"in the "washington in the last week. i think that all and may get some encouragement to other republicans who were considering it. and if for some reason donald trump is not on the ballot in 20, then it is a very different story for romney. as to the other caller who was talking about why some people run, i think this time around, we can have a large democratic field, 15, 20, maybe more candidates, a lot of people feel like -- why not? a lot of people have a shot. it will not take that much of a vote to win.

on the democratic side, it is proportional. if you get 50% of the vote in any of these states, you will pick up delegates. i think that is why so many people are considering or taking steps for the nomination. host: o. kay henderson, wrapup thoughts this morning. guest 1: well, often times during the midst of a presidential term, the opposing party has a discussion about who is their best change agent. what confronts democrats this time around is not only are they selecting a change agent but someone who can be a true , and howr to triatrump does the party waste to have that competitor voice the philosophy of the party? iowather real question in is if someone in iowa is if someone indeed will come into challenge president trump, and if there will be others on caucus night, february 3, 2020,

iowaet votes in the caucuses, those are the two main questions here facing iowans. the other question is -- where do independents go? barack obama brought a huge number of independents into the democratic party in late 2007 and on caucus night, january 3, 2008. willie democratic candidate this time around bring independents along. that is what we will be watching. host: a lot to watch for. we look forward to this conversation with you nex this year and more. o. kay henderson, radio iowa, and paul steinhauser, concord monitor. thanks so much to both of you. guest 2: thank you. guest 1: thank you. host: we will turn to gideon

rose and foreign policy next on what to watch out for in 2019. this weekend, our c-span cities tour explores american history monica,eling to santa california. coming up today at 2:00 p.m. eastern on american history tv, all of our programs from the city will air together in one time block. dear visiting the museum of flying to learn about an important role of the douglas aircraft company serving in the history of aviation. >> during world war ii, there concerns about so many aircraft manufacturing plants being located on the coast being vulnerable to attack from enemy forces. so on both coastss, efforts were made to camouflage the plants by cities on topock of the factory building spirit here on the west coast, walt disney, warner bros., any of the entertainment industries assisted that effort, building a

mockup fake city, and from the air, you literally cannot tell. you can see a runway of course, but you could not tell it was a factory under the netting and the mockup of houses that were used to great effect all up and down the east coast and west coast. host: make sure to tune in this weekend on booktv in american history tv as we travel to santa monica, california, and to watch video of the santa monica tour and all of the cities we visited, go to our cities tour website, c-span.org/citiestour. we will be back with more "washington journal" momentarily. mediaight on "q&a," mobile sumner redstone and his battle for viacom and cbs. we talk with wall street journal investigative reporter quiché hagey about

her book. keach: after his battle with prostate cancer, he really saw being seen with women as a sign of physicality, and the and with them was a sign that he could tell the world "i am going to live forever," the loves to say. so he would go to the hollywood parties, and sometimes he would go home with his grandson's date. it was awkward for cbs and viacom because he was still a controlling shareholder, and he did awkward things. 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us from new york city is "foreign affairs'" gideon rose, whose piece, "the liberal order and the united states," looks at a century or more of the united states' role

in foreign affairs, america, china, and the global order. gideon rose, defined for us, what is the liberal order, and where is it, in your view, and 2019? guest: that is a great question, thanks. essentially, ever since 1945, the united states has tried to its foreign policy like a team sport rather than an individual, so it landed a group of allies in europe, and asia, the middle east, and elsewhere, rather than doing everything by itself or in you have things like nato, various other korean alliance, and so forth. what is happening now is we seem to be seeing the dissolution or the end of at least one major phase of that whole system of u.s.-backed alliances, which essentially run most of the

major security and economic questions of the world. we are seeing that broad set of alliances, the u.s.-backed international order that was seven days post-1945, essentially coming to an end with brexit, which takes the united kingdom out of the picture, and the election of trump, who has pledged essentially to walk away from all of that. right now, we know one phase of american history and international history has ended, but no one is really clear what the next phase will be, because no one really feels we are into a next phase yet. what we know what happened before and and it as of 2016. host: in your "foreign affairs" piece, you write large segments towestern populations came believe the liberal order was not working for them, and they continually sought a reason to

defer to dysfunctional establishments then lining their own pockets. as one reader of "foreign it, i rejectlified your anti-american, anti-constitution, politically correct vomit. that is in the piece. how in the world it plays at home, is it even more difficult for today's leaders than it has ?een in the past guest: yes, and that is exactly the point. the united states has had exactly one policy, running the currentder to prevent a of the problems of the first half of the 20th century. global war, world war i, world war ii, the great depression. to prevent those types of problems, we play the game of international progress -- politics a certain way. coalitions, making

friends, policing the world, keeping the public in landopen and sea and promoting a liberal trading system. that period, which we american foreign-policy experts tend to see of the unitary period from 1945 to present, is seen by the public within sort of two phases. there was a cold war part, that we had to do that kind of stuff to protect against the soviet threat, and the post-cold war era where you at least keep doing that kind of stuff, but most of the rest of us felt like it was not necessary, and we were not sure why. what we stop doing that and bearing the cost and burdens of global leadership? that is the impulse behind trump's foreign-policy. the problem is no one really knows what it would mean to do a u.s. foreign-policy at this point which is just for itself, with no allies. there is no policy we have for china, russia, the middle east, latin america.

there is no policy area that the united states has right now that can be solved or driven entirely by the united states alone. it has to be done in collaboration with partners, with allies, with other countries. we want to essentially overturn the table and take the ourselves, play by that is a nice thing to say, and it means we are certainly no we used tohe era be in, but in terms of corporations with other nations on actual issues so right now we have a debate in which foreign policy, at least broadly doaking, believes we should one set of things, and the rest of the country is not at all on board with that. donald trump is crudely voicing the worried for and legitimate concerns of a lot of people who feel there were problems with the old order. host: gideon rose joining us

from new york, editor with "foreign affairs," a recent piece in "foreign affairs," before founding the united states in the liberal order, let's open our phone lines in hear from you and your thoughts on foreign-policy issues facing the united states as we head into 2019. (202) 748-8000 is the number to call for democrats. republicans, use (202) 748-8001. and for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. we will look for your tweets @cspanwj. it is two years into the trunk presidency, gideon rose. from what you have seen so far, where does president trump stand in terms of the liberal order? what is foreign-policy going to be of years from now? guest: it is a great question, and the short answer is nobody has any clue. what i mean by that is right now

we are in the midst of an extraordinary historical moment, and it is not at all clear how this ends and how it will be looked on by history will depend a lot not just by what has but will happen in 2019 and 2020. right now, it is a little bit like trump is oj in the white bronco. liberaled the international order and left it for dead. he is driving on the highway, and everyone in the entire world is focused on washington and on trump. no one knows what is happening next. the world is transfixed on a new show.while reality tv he now has the entire world watching, and where the chase ends, we just don't know. host: let's hear from robert in oral, indiana, republican line. good morning.

you are on with gideon rose. caller: good morning. thank you. the way i see it, if you listen to the language that all of these guys are talking about, it thisoing to have way, or we will choke. if people do not open their eyes and see that the bible is real, if they want to deny it, -- people do not want to hear about god. host: you talk about one world government. you write about the efforts after world war i to establish the league of nations and obviously alliances after world war ii became important in terms of the united nations and nato. alliances stands now? a great question

about one world government, because if you think about the old system's problems -- war and depression -- world war i, world war ii, great depression in which everyone turned their economies in word, if you think about the questions of american foreign-policy, how do you prevent that kind of stuff from happening again, because that is what is always happens in world history. -- howe question becomes do you get out of that? thing that becomes dominant and runs everything. kind of difficult to do that, especially if you do it nationally and badly. with everyone becoming nice and sweet and singing kumbaya, that would be nice, but it is unlikely to happen. another possibility is you bind things together and somehow have classic world government and parliament of man. some of the original members of

the united nations might have thought about it, or the league of nations. that will not happen in practice, either. what has happened in the post what they did is they decided to take a sort of midrange solution. we cannot keep doing things the way we used to do it. you cannot just have on coordinated and economic policies of individual nations, because that essentially means you bump into each other and have war and depression. we do not want to have one world government or lose our independence, either. so they came up with a set of institutions and structures that essentially allows for cooperation among the good guys of the world, or at least they guys, and it is those cooperative groupings, things alliances, things like nato, economic structures, like the world trade organization, which sets behavior, which allows them to carry out independent, normal relations, but in a way that

produces a positive-sum game that benefits everybod. what comes next? will the whole process of lots of positive-some games with the good guys of a with each other because they each want a advantage, but will that continue going forward? we just do not know. the question now is will there even be any kind of international cooperation that is more than episodic and merely transactional? host: outside philadelphia in lansdowne, pennsylvania, joseph is on our democrats line. caller: thank you very much. make, a small point to question of foreign-policy of the united states.

after the war, we became the most ominous country in the world, and for some time, the united states led the coalition andemocratic countries actually went ahead and set up the new united nations, along with great britain and france and others, and things are moving along rather nicely. but these things have to be order foroperly in them to continue to have the original purpose, to realize their original purpose. it seems to me that over the u.s., we have taken too much for granted in this country and have allowed someone like mr. trump to become our leader. and the minute he became the leader, many of us thought that this was about hillary clinton. it was not. we thought we had a terrible mistake by putting a person in power who would try to

dismantle an entire structure of the world order, as it had been invented by greater leaders of the past. he has us taken out of nato, taking us out of the world climate negotiations, taking us out of all of these arrangements that have been carefully put together. it seems to me that there is no way we can continue with someone who does not believe in the original concepts prior to world war ii. host: all right, joseph. to be clear, gideon rose, the president has not taken us out of nato just yet. he is calling for increased spending from those countries. guest: i think the caller did a beautiful job of summarizing what many people are seeing these days and thinking. i think that the interesting thing is, as you said, the president may have come in with a set of views and bjectives and goals, and he

and he made a lot of promises, but he does not get to implement those. it is not like you become ceo and get to do whatever you want just as if you took over a country. the interesting set of practical questions now -- it is not just tore does donald trump want take foreign policy, or what does donald trump choose to do today or tomorrow? but whatever donald trump wants to do, how will that interact with a system into which he is one hugely important part of a much larger government, which is like trying to turn a cruise ship, iterate long, difficult time to try to adjust your course, it continues on the same course through inertia and a lot of ways. and you cannot do everything you want, because there are people who want to stop you, and you have to prioritize your goals.

the real question will be not just what donald trump wants to do with foreign policy but how much will he be able to actually put into right, lasting change into american foreign temporaryopposed to a leadership that will, essentially, snap back to something else when the next person comes in, whenever that may be. host: harrisburg, pennsylvania. caller: yes. keep in mindgot to is he is no democratically elected alliance. these are powerbrokers. these are individuals who came up and decided this is what we are going to get, ok? it has been a total disaster. i think the american people don't want to get involved in every stupid foreign time, every

republican party, the bushes, the romneys, and the people who make money from companies like halliburton. host: gideon rose. guest: i think the caller is specificsome pacific bu but right on a larger point. after world war ii, it consisted largely for the same time, it was not a bunch of sinister elite doing things. there was indeed broad backing support. there was democratic legitimacy. if you look at the whole picture, it has done very well compared to other periods in history. there has been less war compared to other periods of history. there have been global progress. so the aggregate you have to give the american foreign-policy

over the last several therations real credit, and caller points to a lot of truth, which is a, there have been a , includingw ups iran, which loomed very large, and should, and two, the elites, or the people running it, the technocrats, have done a lousy job of selling what is actually going on in making people understand that yes, vietnam and iraq were large screw ups, but they were even larger wars that you would normally have expected to happen over the last 75 years, which has not happened because the broader foreign-policy has been sensible. telle question of how to the story, technology problems, make sure that we correct them without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, or whatever cliché you want, that is an interesting challenge for the

next president, if someone actually wanted to do a constructive foreign policy going forward. host: next up is william in tennessee on our republican line. caller:yes, sir. good morning. how are you doing today? host: i am fine, thank you. aller: i think it would be big mistake to be entirely isolationist. would you want israel to go down the tubes and become part of the arab state? would you want japan to become part of china? would you want africa to become china? state to i think it would be a big mistake. i think we have to be activists in world affairs in order to keep things from being socialist dictatorships. host: thank you, william. gideon rose. guest: i think the caller -- i agree with the caller that isolationism and retreat would be disastrous, both for the

united states and for the countriesnd allies and regions that we have played a generally positive role in over the last several decades. however, it is also true that you cannot just say that, because that could mean that essentially, that logic could justify absolutely everything, including running the entire world and preparing for everybody else's security as well as your own. the challenge is how do you manage to work with other countries that have strengths and weaknesses and interests of their own but it generally do you and partners, how work with them to provide for our collective security, there's that hours, in -- theirs and ours, in ways that are mutually benefiting? it is not an identity, it is not a union, it is an alliance. how tohave to relearn do that. alliances are not entangling -- they can be, but they can also whenberating and enabling

you have a big fight and you need to bring the whole thing together. host: let's hear from dawn in south milwaukee, wisconsin. caller: hi. i support nato and although structures, however, i seem to feel like the united states citizens are fighting not only the poor millionaires in our country but on a global basis investmentssing driving up all the costs for the american citizens, and we all seem to be not reaping the benefits of globalization in our own country. go ahead, yes. guest: i think that is a great question. in many respects, is one of the big unrecognized -- but gradually being recognized --

stories. capitalism over the aggregate produces a lot of good stuff. but it does not produce it in a way in which it is a steady stream, and that is generated equally. there is a wholly irrelevant globalization that has worse to the world benefit of the aggregate, particularly to developing countries, which china and others have been able to grow, and millions of people, a billion people have been able to come out of poverty over the last generation or two, but not societyors of have benefited from that, so there has been a lot of domestic resentment and a lot of understanding of, hey, this may be good for the world, but what is in it for me? that is a legitimate concern that can and should be addressed. but it is not necessarily a withdrawal from the world foreign policy. oute structure or figure

how to make our domestic social safety net viable for the 21st century so that everybody to the fruits that the whole system tends to bring it over the aggregate over time. host: a couple more comments on twitter, on twitter @cspanwj, two different views here. "it is time for america to take care of america, not the rest of the world. globalism, the world order, and socialism, no thanks. that is not who we are. the american people will fight it all the way." david sweet, however, "as an independent, i always felt like it is important to work in alliances. it is dangerous and costly not to do so. is on our line, east chicago, indiana, go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. thank you so much for "washington journal." i watch it every day if i can. i love your show. theestion and a commentary united states and foreign-policy has not been the shining beacon

of light to the world is aware china has the dusty roads project going on in africa. i would diplomacy with the same people is fighter tankjets, tan, and guns. we have actually supported military conservative dictatorships in central america, south america, even in the middle east and iran. host: alan, i will let you go. we wrap up here on "washington journal." gideon rose, go ahead. guest: i think the callers are on fire this morning. i agree with everything alan said. infrastructure, especially done well and executed sensibly, is a great way. it helps everybody. airport traffic control system. you do that domestically to

benefit, but so does the world. help the worldwe better, we benefit everybody, including ourselves. the response to china's belt and road should not be oh my god, look at what china is doing, they are getting ahead. it should be -- are there ways that we can walk the walk, not , and can wee talk help through public infrastructure in the world in ways that will get us positive reputation and not just bad people who kill their dissident critics. piece on therose's future of the new order, the history and future, is the lead he's in the latest "foreign affairs", the january/february edition. you can read online, for aaffairs.com, also --

foreignaffairs.com, also on twitter @foreignaffairs. thank you for your time. guest: my pleasure. host: that will do it for today's "washington journal." we will be back tomorrow morning with your questions and comments. we will talk with political reporter robert costa and hear about the week ahead, and we robin gelburd. that is for the program [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] mr. singh:

-- >> next, newsmakers with jim mcgovern of choose this and mark takano california. elizabeth, senator warren of massachusetts, who has announced she is considering a run for the presidency in 2020, talks to democrats in iowa. >> on "newsmakers" this week, we continue to talk to committee chairs of the 116th congress. for this week's "newsmakers," we sat down with jim mcgovern of massachusetts, and mark takano of california. congressman mcgovern is a democrat of massachusetts who chairs the rules committee. that committee has jurisdiction over how and when legislation comes to the floor. >> massachusetts democrat jim mcgovern will serve as the house rules committee chairman in the 116th congress. what exactly does the rules committee do? >> the rules committee is like the traffic cop of congress. every major piece of legislation comes through the rules committee before it goes to the floor. we decide how the bill will be considered, when it goes to the