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after that, it illinois representative jesus garcia joins us to discuss the government shutdown on its 35th day. with advocatest for highway and auto safety president cathy chase. how ludicrous it is that this government is shut down over a promise the president of the united states could not keep! ♪ flared in the senate with two bills to end the government shutdown failing. good morning. day 35 of the government shutdown and the second missed payday for federal workers. we will get your take on the negotiations to reopen the government and the border wall. democrats 202-748-8000. republicans 202-748-8001. at independents 202-748-8002 -- ts, 202-748-8002

. >> after the two competing bills to reopen the government failed, the president had a meeting on immigration, and talked to reporters. here is what he had to say about a possible deal going forward. [video clip] >> will you support the bill? pres. trump: it depends on what the agreement is. but if it is reasonable, i would support it. i have other alternatives if i have to. we want to go through the system. we have to have a wall in this country. we have criminals pouring into our country. i am not talking about just the southern border, but they permeate all across the country,

like in places like wisconsin, a lot of different places, and that is the problem. we are doing very well with our crime rate compared to past administrations, but i think the crime rate would go way down, and what is happening, the drugs are pouring in, and yes, they, -- they come through the ports goentry, but the big trucks through wide open spaces, so we have to have a wall. host: the first vote yesterday was on the president plan, and the washington post notes say that it is short the 60 votes it needs to advance. tom cotton voted against the plan, saying it did not offer the immigration changes needed. the second vote was on a short-term spending bill that would reopen the government through february 8 without any

border wall funding. billions ofontained dollars for hurricane and wildfire disaster relief. the vote on the democratic bill was 52-44, short of 60. here are the republican senators who supported it -- susan , cory gardner, and mitt romney, all joining democrats to support it, but they were shy of the 60 votes needed. we are asking you what your thoughts are as we are now in day 35 of this government shutdown. after those bills failed yesterday, the leader in the called mitch mcconnell,

for chuck schumer to meet in his office where the two would continue to talk. a bipartisan group of senators got together and they have proposed perhaps a three-week opening of the government while they continue to negotiate, and possibly, included in that is a down payment on the wall as you heard the president talking about. nancy pelosi has said that is a non-starter. here is chuck schumer on the floor yesterday. [video clip] >> it will be easy for any member to pick and choose and say, pay these, don't pay those. our position is simple -- it should not be held hostage -- they should not be held hostage. they should not say, you don't get your way unless we get money for the wall. that is exactly what president

trump is saying. and that is what some of my colleagues are saying, and that is not fair. everyone deserves to be paid. these are all hard-working people who have done nothing wrong. monday morning, even if they have a fever, to go to work. and to pick and choose some and not others is a wrong way to go, and would lead to a cacophony. maybe we should pay the workers in brooklyn, new york, i mean, it doesn't make any sense at all. host: that was chuck schumer on the floor yesterday, talking about one of those bills to reopen the government. they all failed yesterday, both of them. the washington post notes that house democrats led by house speaker nancy pelosi plans to unveil their proposition for border security, and they said the details remained in flux.

the chairman of the homeland security committee said they would exceed or meet trump's $5.7 billion figure with more border agents and other improvements. the proposals would be a part of a larger spending bill for homeland security, which has been shuttered and the government shutdown and would not have new appropriations. the senior advisor and jared kushner met with some latino leaders. over the weekend, the president proposed a two-year extension of a deferred action program providing work for dreamers. he has tried to cancel the program, and the temporary extension failed thursday. there are court case is about the president attempt to cancel

-- president's attempt to cancel the daca program. republican senator john corbin came to the floor yesterday after this failure of the trump-backed legislation. fundingluded the wall and a temporary extension of daca. here is what the texas senator have to say. [video clip] solutions far from a for our immigration system, but it is a start, and a journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step command this represents a first step. this legislation funds the departments and agencies that have been shuttered since december 22. overhutdown may have begun a battle over border security, but it is affecting men and women whose jobs have nothing to

do with border security. at the department of agriculture, the justice department, the interior department, housing and urban , andopment, treasury, nasa the epa, the fda, the peace corps -- all of the people working for each of these government agencies are working without pay, or have been furloughed. not only is a partial shutdown and pet in a critical work being done by these departments and agencies, it is harming the dedicated men and women who work there. host: that was senator cornyn on the floor yesterday. we are going to take your thoughts this morning on day 35 of the government shutdown and what you think about the latest from washington as the two sides attempted to pass legislation, both bills did not get the 60 votes it needed yesterday. it was a bipartisan group of

senators. they are trying to get an agreement to be open the government for three weeks and allow workers to go back to work, and allow those who have been working to receive pay. these negotiations have not gone anywhere yet. the president yesterday talked about it inside the white house, and there is some hope from some on capitol hill from senators, those who support the idea of reopening the government and getting border security as well, there is some hope that perhaps the president could back this. lisa murkowski, who is leading the effort, was on the floor yesterday, and here is what she said about the two size coming together. [video clip] failed.votes i voted for both of them because my message was, i want to get this government open and i want to do it quickly, and with a

sense of urgency that response to the men and women who have been so significantly impacted by this partial government shutdown for the past 34 days. i also want to be fair to the president's priorities that he has articulated in a proposal he has provided to us as recently as saturday. i think we can do this together. so, my message to folks back home, to people is, don't give up hope because now is the time that we all must come together to address these issues. you cannot do it when the government is shutdown. i am have -- so, supportive of a measure that senators have introduced that --l allow for a short-term

whether it is the appropriations process, that will allow us to have this debate on these important priorities. allow us to do the business of the united states senate, to do the business of legislating, but let's also about the business of the government to proceed by opening up the government right now. host: lisa murkowski of alaska. effort inhts -- an the senate by some to get a bipartisan proposal on the table, one that could get 60 votes. we have some technical problems and we have to change the phone might. the numbers are on your screen.

dial in and we will get to your thoughts and just one moment. we wanted to share this article, trump approval rating falls to 34%. released thursday put mr. trump's job approval rating down eight percentage points from a month earlier, that the lowest mark of his presidency. trump bears ays great deal for the shutdown. it goes on to say that other -- state aweek shed similar drop. rating atb approval 36%, down three points from a month ago. trump dropping to 39 points -- 39%.

the president noted this week that the npr poll showed a 19 point rise of approval among hispanics in one month. the federal shutdown is hurting 800,000 workers and federal contractors not getting business. the number of pupils seeking job benefits -- the number of people seeking job benefits have increased. --kly jobless aids increased jumped. also on the floor yesterday was senator lindsey graham, and he has been talking with the president on the phone, tried to get some sort of compromise. he hinted on the floor yesterday of some sort of potential break and the impasse. [video clip] >> thank you. i just got off the phone with the president, and i talked about a three-week cr.

we could find a way forward to ,o a bill that he would sign that would be good for everyone in the country, but we need that opportunity. he gave me some indications of things he would want for a aree-week cr that would be good faith down payment on moving forward that i thought were reasonable for a rather than me telling you what he said can i think senator schumer and senator mcconnell will be talking about this. so, the three-week cr concept is a good idea of what the president wants to add to it makes sense to me, and get us back in the ballgame. here is what is going to happen, the tps language that was sent over by the president is a move forward, but is unacceptable to my democratic colleagues, and needs to be left what mccain did. the daca provisions sent over by

the president is moving forward, but it needs to be what senator gergen did. because they are both reasonable proposals that the president should be able to accept. to my democratic friends, money for a barrier is required to get this deal done. it will not be a concrete wall. in the money will be a program to a dhs plan that all of you know about and have been briefed on and should approve. you are not giving president trump a bunch of money. he has to spend it on a plan that the professionals have come up with. money for your refugee assistance, you will get it. we all need more judges and more border patrol agents. i will let the public now, i have never been more optimistic than now if we can find a way to open up the government for three weeks. if we fail, everybody can say,

we did our best. one more chance to get this right. i am hoping and praying that but the president is asking for two addition to your three-week cr, you will entertain this and let's get to work. if we can get in a room, we can fix this and it will not take three weeks. host: what do you think about this possible deal in the making and the field votes in the senate? bob is in new york. hi, bob. bob in new york, independent. caller: hello, hello. host: go ahead. caller: hello, hi. i am getting tired. tired-- i am getting about hearing these workers being held hostage. a lot of them are living way above their means. host: how do you know that? caller: just look around.

[indiscernible] they need to learn to live within their means. host: rose is a republican in tennessee. hi, rose. caller: i am with -- i am in out many, new york. -- i am in albany, new york. i don't understand why the coast guard is considered non-essential? why are they part of the military? i always thought they were. host: they had been deemed essential, but they are part of the homeland security department. many of them are working. -- any them -- many of them are working without pay. caller: that is what i don't understand. i thought they were the military and were getting paid. i don't understand why they are

a part of homeland security and not part of the military, and why they are not getting paid. know if it is congress's fault or what -- i don't know if it is congress's fault or what. i don't go along with the three-week cr. nancy pelosi and the other democrats in the house are never going to give him the money for the wall. you know? the democrats have proven in the past bad faith over the immigration issues starting back in 1985 with ronald reagan, and that did not work out. the democrats did not follow through on what they promised they were going to do. that is one thing. the other thing is, i don't understand why these non-essential employees, my they cannot get unemployment insurance because most people when they get laid off from a

job or whatever, they apply for unemployment insurance. there are a lot of people who leave jobs all the time, seasonal contractors and different people in different industries in the public and private sector, that they don't have gofundme pages, and they don't have restaurants giving them free food, snacks, and cars. that people are without pay, but i just don't understand why they do not make plans in case there is a shutdown or a partial shutdown. host: ok. ok, rose. let me share with you will quickly, you mentioned the speaker of the house, the washington post notes a plan as you heard from lindsey graham and lisa murkowski, floated by a bipartisan group of senators to reopen the government for three these while negotiating for border security collapsed as

soon as it emerged, assisting the president would accept the proposal only if it included a down payment on his wall. kathy pelosi calling that a non-starter. -- nancy pelosi calling that a non-starter. it will specifically exclude money for the wall. -- house democrats may be unveiling that as early yesterday in the afternoon. there is a headline in the washington post. want to share other news with you. we have learned early this morning just before we came up here to talk to all of you that roger stone, a long time aid and confidant of president trump has been indicted on allegations that he obstructed the 2016

election. this is from politico. othersests stone misled with wikileaks on the trump campaign some and alleges he attempted to manipulate other witnesses. they say stone was arrested this morning and will make an appearance in court in fort lauderdale. a reporter covering this tweets includingharges, testifying falsely to the committee and a count of witness tampering. he is looking through the indictment this morning, noticing shortly after wikileaks released podesta emails, a trump campaign aide texted stone, well done.

campaignweeted out the desk the trump campaign contacted stone for future wikileaks releases per the indictment this morning. that story developing and we will continue to keep you updated this morning as roger stone is arrested by the yeah, and he will be appearing in court later today. let's go to richard in tennessee, independent, high, richard. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: this is rob. host: ok, rob, you are on the air. caller: thank you for c-span. all the president have to do is approve daca in this deal for his wall. fake information you are getting from previous callers, the democrats gave $20 wall a few weeks

in december. all they have-- to do is get the president to approve daca. it is hypocritical to both democrats and republicans, every , ie the word "wall" is used don't know why the word e-verify is used. wall e a virtual atverifye-and that is not been mentioned. ison't think this president qualified in any way, shape, or form, and i think this entire matter is one huge distraction from the russian investigation. he held onto this and have this up his sleeve until he felt the right time he had two years to waited untilt he

it got hot with the russian investigation that he through this out here. he is really a commander of the media and all we are talking about now is the unfortunate situation we have with a shutdown, which is nothing in my inmost people's opinion, it is a compared -- itn is a huge distraction. host: all right, next caller. caller: good morning. host: you're on the air. caller: this is rick and nashville. -- in group national -- this is rick in national. and god bless -- this is rick in nashville. this goes back to what your parents talk to you when you were younger. save up for a rainy day because

a rainy day will company. -- will come. host: let me just jump in. today is payday for those folks who have been furloughed or working without pay and they are missing their second paychecks. when they start to go through their savings, does that change her mind? caller: it does not. americaook around in today, i see people driving $30,000 to $50,000 cars, living in $500,000 homes. but i am compassionate and ready to help, but when i see people -- in my job, ideal in retail, and i see people who should be working every day and they come in with food stamps. it is a shame what is going on. i don't mind helping anybody.

but if you, -- if you come stealing, i am not liking that. host: what would you do? caller: i would go to that safetynet in the city. but before i would ask anybody for anything, i would make sure my house was in order. that is all we have to do. we have to do that for our children, if nothing else. host: john in california -- don in california. caller: we have been waiting and .istening to the news media the last two people that preceded me with the rhetoric coming from democrats that the president is a bad guy.

you need to get over it. hillary did not win the election. president trump is the 41st president of the united states of america -- is the 45th president of the medassets of america. presidentis the 45th of the united states of america. the time for talk is over. host: the president is considering action. cnn reporting that the white house is preparing emergency orders and identified $7 billion for the wall. the report that the white house is preparing a proclamation for president trump to declare a national emergency him on the border, and identified $7 billion for a border wall if he goes that route. --sident trump has not president trump is weighing his option to declare a national emergency. as people remain divided on this

issue, the white house is moving forward with an alternative plan. the u.s. government official says the administration could from treasuryion funds, money from military instruction, and $2 million in the department -- two men $2 million from the department of homeland security. let's go to robert in maryland, a republican. hi, robert good -- days, in ohio -- ohio, are you with us? as ever.ou look lovely host: thanks.

caller: to the guy in buddy,nia, but he, -- president trump had two years to do this with all the republicans in control, and he did not do it, so shut your mouth on that. i don't want to paint a broad brush with the publicans. government doesn't do anything for them, so why would they care about the doand you brought up roger ston. he was a guy during the campaign early on in iowa who told trump, hey, this is a great idea, this wall stuff, and the crowds were really reacting to it, so you need to keep saying that. so, roger stone was the first want to get into trump's ear, saying to build the wall. host: thank you.

robert in maryland, a republican, hello, robert. caller: hello. one reason the democrats don't ist to find this wall is it number 1 -- don't want to fund this wall is because this is trump's number one campaign promise. listen to these federal workers all cry, i did not hear anybody in the media make any sound at all when all of those out the american worker and shipped all of our jobs overseas to mexico. i did not hear any of these federal workers cry. international -- they found $20 billion for abortion, but they cannot find

$5.7 billion? the federal workers don't need to worry about this stuff. the federal government and the democrats have open borders to all of these illegals coming in, taking all of our plumbing jobs, construction jobs, and i don't hear the media or the government cry about that as you run the average working man into the ground bringing in all of these illegal workers to undermine and undercut us, you never make one sound about that. and for you government workers, who is working for a company that is $22 trillion in debt? that whole building behind you is going to collapse. dumb asinsolvent, you ses. host: ok. next caller. caller: is that me?

host: yes. caller: you know what, there are some comical folks calling in. i want to say that i watched the whole debate between the democrats and republicans yesterday. i am one of those furloughed workers. i am not a government worker, i am a contract worker. and i hear a lot of rhetoric and -- and i heard a lot of rhetoric and finger-pointing yesterday, and it is getting old. the whole thing is is that it boils down to trump. it does not matter whether we need a wall and i will not debate that with anyone, but the bottom line is we should not be using the government workers or any worker for that matter, as a pawn in this all situation. . fellow said something

about, you know, people living beyond their means, and another fellow tough about everyone coming over and taking our jobs, well you know, they really need to come back into the world because that is nothing to do with it. all this boils down to is trump himself. host: how has this compacted -- how has this impacted you as a government contractor? caller: i am not on unemployment are standing in food lines, but i am eating a lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches right now and him wanting what i spent. the whole thing is coming is its -- the whole thing is, never occurred to democrats and republicans, they should not even be talking about putting us back to work. this should not be an issue. host: i am going to go on to eric from long island, a

democrat. hi, eric. caller: thanks, greta. though i did to get through to you -- delighted to get through to you. i have a couple of points to make. i took some initiative and him and watching a lot of this. i figured out, and was accurate on this, there are nine congressional border districts, and i called three of the nine myself to see. this originally opposed to wall because i thought it was 2000 miles, but i think we're only talking about 230 piles or so, but itiles or makes sense to me. we don't need to thousand miles, and we don't need zero.

mark hurd has a nice thing on facebook about what he needs and doesn't need. conversation of what they need and don't need. it would be rasul helpful if you went one by one with them -- i think it would be helpful if you want one by one with them. and my second point in that me wrap it up, i don't think this is a trump shutdown. feel it that way, but if you did a segment on the constitution and why we don't hisor attempt to override no-vote, it is the congress that has shed this down -- that has shut this down. muchis frustrating me as

as anyone else with this blame game. if you had an hour segment, i would recorded. host: all right. that is eric in long island. we will take a break and when we come back, we will turn our attention to a new report on national security threats for the united states. we will talk to george mason university's jamil jaffer. we will be right back. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] 7:00 a.m. eastern on booktv, and author talks about -- an author talks about his book. >> there are studies in the book that showed two things that are surprising. assumptionsgeneral for financial aid purposes, that should be counted as assistance.

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host: joining us is jamil jaffer, from -- a former senior counsel. thank you for being here. guest: thank you for having me. host: i want to begin with the news around roger stone -- about roger stone. what do you think about this, him lying to the house intelligence committee? how do you get arrested for that? guest: it is not a good sign. in order for congress to do this, people have to tell the truth, so the real challenge is how do get people to be honest in committees? we know there have been concerned about people cheating the truth when it comes to testimony, and that is a crime, right? you can be held in contempt of congress and giving false information to a federal efficient -- federal official.

when people are being investigated coming often are indicted by the crime of lying instead of the crime. the cover of a crime is often punished for the crime itself -- more than the crime itself. host: what sort of training do they have to take official testimony from someone like roger stone? guest: the committee has lawyers. chairman rogers worked well with other members doing effective oversight. forave seen a real trend the former chairman and now the new current chairman our lawyers who are trained litigators. questions of

individuals and there are penalties for lying to congress and federal investigators. and they are aware of that when they come to testify. you don't have to be formally sworn in. you are required to tell the truth. host: what is a punishment? guest: you go to jail. host: for how long? guest: i don't know what statutes are required, but you are evaluated based on your prior conduct and there are statutory minimums and maximums. what i do know is very often in these investigators, when people don't tell the truth, that is what trips them up as opposed to the crime itself. look at mike flynn. what he got indicted for was lying to investigators. host: you said this does not look good. why did you say that?

guest: the question is, what ever you lying? what are you trying to hide? who knows why roger stone chose to go down this road. there are claims on the table that other individuals lied to congress. the question is, why are people line? what is the underlying issue that people are trying to avoid? it could be -- we don't know what it is, why my the federal investigators -- but why live to e to federal investigators. host: what does this tell you? guest: often times, you will indict people based on the effort to get them to talk. talk about michael flynn. -- you talk about michael flynn. what they got out of the plea deal was negotiation.

we do not know what mike flynn was told. michael cohen was pressured by some counts, but now he is getting testimony. what haters are trying to do -- what investigators are trying to do is to work their way up the pyramid. it doesn't matter whether they are investigating the president, russian influence, any corruption, i'm off the case, a murderer, you are always trying to work up to the highest person. why do you think it is the house intelligence and senate intelligence committee are investigating this in the first place? -- where doess this go at in your opinion? seems there may be -- it

certain to me that the russian government engaged in long-term effective efforts to effect the government. we know for sure they tried to create dissension in america, to andrmine our institutions, they had been highly successful. this is probably the most successful overt and covert operation in mankind. there are people in the kremlin clinking glasses right now. it is the debate of the day because the russians have been highly effective. in this is a nation -- and they had magnified their influence in this operation. we are responsible because we have not been able to come together as a country. it is not one president or one party. it is an effort by a foreign

nation state to influence our policies against each other. they want to create chaos. you have seen the ads posted about russia on facebook, instagram, and twitter. it is designed to influence the american public, and we are. the government has been shut down for 35 days. it is chaotic and doesn't make sense. the committee members cannot work together on effective bipartisan oversight. host: you're talking the house side? guest: yes, the house side. you are seeing senators working together effectively, and that is a good sign. one hopes that that works on the house side, but we have seen mights that adam schiff

be considering a run for the presidency, and that will not help with bipartisanship. it is concerning. you might wonder in this environment if you are going to run for president, maybe you should not be investigating the value are running against. host: on the senate side, the headline, ex-trump lawyer michael cohen, he was subpoenaed to testify about his dealings with the president and the panel is investigating russian interference. lady davis confirmed that he -- lenny davis confirmed that he --

off brings us to the topic and that is national security threats. is a part ofthat the national security threats? guest: they are by far not the only actor. we see the chinese are very active. they have in stealing intellectual property -- they have been stealing intellectual property. to be fair, we need to make strides and effort with the chinese market. they cannot take intellectual property and expect to get away with that. it is a national security threat for us, too, so china is a big player. then we see players with big capabilities.

is cut off from the economic world largely. they are really isolated. north korea has been aggressive in the cyber arena. sawaw there malware and we iran be vary aggressive -- the very aggressive. that is a real problem. disruptiver technologies as ai is becoming a real thing. the capability of companies to leverage data. overlords will not control things anytime soon, but it gives individual actors to act faster and more aggressively to us, self help our advantage is declining.

us, so farvely to our power advantage is declining. together toe those be more aggressive raises the concern we are under a threat. of the threat of .sis and al qaeda host: we are talking to jamil jaffer on a new national security report that is out. , 20273700 -- what you were talking about, the

technological threat, does that top the list for this new report? ranks.it is in the top it contributes to a larger problem. nationstates have the most capabilities and the most ability to do the most distracted actions. you look at the attack between russia and ukraine. and number of international companies out of ukraine use their same software. that targeted attack on ukraine -- they lost hundreds of millions

of dollars. huge problem for both international and national companies. it is a tremendous explosion in communication. cyber attacks are getting better. endhave to invest in high with companies and governments working across the ecosystem. host: what are other notable threat? -- notable threats? guest: we talked about chinese intellectual property, weapons of mass destruction, so these

all come together. people are gunning for the united states and for western countries. arere in a place where we looking to increase our own domestic situation. that in the done that is whenally, we had been hit by our enemies. they see as pulling out of regions in the world like syria or europe, or less inclined to go there. president obama, to be fair, perhaps less aggressive than republicans would have preferred. animal president trump -- and president trump, pulling out of

-- a and afghanistan that trend has continued over the last eight years. trump's rhetoric has gotten more aggressive, but our actions have not. host: let's see what our viewers have to say. liza is first. good morning. caller: your guest talks very fast, so i will slow down a little. it is the demoralization of our people. last night was a show, showing the patrol border officials 100 tunnels in southern arizona. 100 tunnels that were coming over into our country, bringing god knows what.

drugs, the opioid crisis, and this guy is a hegemony. george w. bush and company blew trump isddle east, and continuing this. guest: the concerns at the border are legitimate, and no one debates if we need to secure the southern border. citizens areegal coming in. reflectsnt -- the war that concern at the southern border. democrat's resistance to building a $5.7 billion border wall reflects that. so, where do you find that balance? by now of a 35 day shutdown, you think you would see a deal.

the government would have reopened and we would be moving forward. right now, the president has dug in. he has his ego invested. the same is true of nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. no one sees a way to make a deal. what the american people want is move forward. host: is the dividing government a threat to our security? guest: it can be. a good friend of mine is the ceo of a risk company that looks at cyber, she wrote a an op-ed to the threat of cyber security -- wrote an op-ed to the threat of cyber security. tsa arencies like calling in sick because they are

not getting paid. national security officials are doing their best by coming into work and not getting paid, but you can only expect to do that for so long. , the is the border southern border in this report? guest: the question for migrants is a worldwide problem. we have been in wars in the middle east for a while. we have to solve migrant flows at our border. that causes economic concern among americans, and should. both legal and illegal widely.ts contribute the economy depends on migrant workers. the question is, what is the right number coming in? are they doing it legally? look, immigrants built this

country. became from -- my family are immigrants. we came from tanzania. we are a nation built on immigration. we need to do it right. it needs to be done legally. would a wall fix that? i don't now. but the house is divided. everyone together and make a deal. another question is, how much do you spend on a wall? new jersey, a republican. hi, peter. welcome to the conversation. peter, good morning to you. peter in new jersey, republican. all right, one last call for

peter. let me move on. william in cleveland, ohio, a democrat. caller: i am republican actually. i have to be honest with you. i think it is terrible what is going on with our country. it is divided unbelievably sell, but a lot of it -- it is divided itelievably so, but a lot of has to do with our officials. how should i say that, it has been oppressing its own citizens. , the federalohio constitution isn't even recognized in the state constitution supersedes it, which makes no sense. with regards to the border wall, in my opinion, i think -- why even worry about a border wall? let's establish a militarized --

and fortarized zone those to defend their own courtsies and prove the of entries -- supports of entry amnesty who came visas that may have expired and did not renew, and now they should be able to renew them, and establish who they are as a give back on the track of becoming citizens of this country. host: ok. william, we will leave your thoughts their death. host: all right, william we believe your thoughts there. we go to dan who is in massachusetts and independent. you are on the air. caller: thanks for having me on. -- i see a lot of the problems in our country actually stemming from

propaganda. this propaganda is coming from our media and our government. 8 national defense authorization act there was something slipped in called the re-modernization act what this gates foropened the our government to spend our tax money to propagandize american citizens domestically. this is what we have been witnessing. it is disseminated through our media to the citizens. host: dan, we will have mr. jeff .re respond

guest: i am aware of claims that it been circulating on the internet for a while change the law to allow the government to engage in propaganda efforts at home. my understanding is that is illegal. the united states government goes out of its way to avoid attempting to affect domestic politics. it does not make a lot of sense. that being said there is a concern in this country that that is happening. you can see that concern represented by the caller cost comments but you hear that concern coming for the president when he talks about the deep state. the concerns -- there might be a big debate whether he was elected effectively whether the electoral college should be done away with. it has worked generally. the president himself was the biggest critic of the electoral college.

are where we are. what is interesting about that the president himself says there is a fake news media. the deep state is trying to -- concern about the way politics has worked in washington for a long time. there is this deep sense amongst the american people that government has not been working effectively for them for a long time. the president represents that view. he's disrupting things. does that put us in a place where we are better or worse off ? it is very much if felt concern amongst the american population. i think what you don't do with that is what we are doing now, shutting the government down. all that does -- people can't seem to work together or figure out a way forward in they are not effective. that is where we are now and that plays into the notion that

government is not being effective for the people. host: larry is in oklahoma, republican. caller: good morning. serious -- how foreign students a tricky living in the united states at universities and colleges and go back to their own countries and spill the beans so to speak? guest: we have known for a long time that foreign governments have lots of ways of obtaining intellectual property. foreign students are one method nationstates use to identify potential recruitment targets in the united states. they might get information and the like. one of the challenges of our immigration policy is we bring in some of the best and brightest around the world educate them in the best universities around the world and tell them you must go home to your home countries and do your advance research there,

build products and advanced technology instead of saying we just educated you, spent our efforts, take that knowledge and use it here in the united states and that does not make a lot of sense from an economic perspective. in my view one way to address the problem larry raises is to be more cautious about who we let in. wen we are educating people have to consider giving them a sense of state here and building .conomic success pushing them all back home to china, japan, europe and saying we just educated you, go do your work for your countries back there. it is crazy. host: people can learn more if they go to national security. edu.

when we come back we will get your reaction to the arrest of roger stone by the fbi, indicted on seven counts. there are the phone numbers on your screen. we will take your calls in just a minute. >> florida has six new members in its congressional delegation for the 116th congress. voters elected republican rick scott to the u.s. senate. kind off of two terms as the state's governor. senator scott was a health care industry executive running a company that operated hospitals around the country. later he was a venture capitalist. former health and human services secretary donna shalala was elected to the house. she has been president of the university of miami and president of the clinton foundation. -- emigrated to the u.s. as a teenager while

attending graduate school her father was shot and killed in ecuador. after graduate school she worked in a number of local nonprofits before joining the administration of florida international university. two florida republicans also joined the house. ross spano recently served six years in the florida house of representatives. he was also an attorney in private practice and congressman greg steube started his career in the judge advocate general corps serving three years in iraq. later elected to the florida state house and then state senate. new congress, new leaders. watch it all on c-span. washington journal continues. the: we are back opening up lines to get your reaction to the news this morning breaking that roger stone has been arrested by the fbi. kyle cheney with politico joining us on the phone to talk about the news.

what is the justice department saying and how did this arrest happened? the justicetially department suggesting that roger stone misled the house intelligence committee multiple strongly that he encouraged and pressured another witness, an associate of his, to also mislead the committee. related tontirely his relationship with the house related toe his relationship with the house intelligence committee which at and stone had repeatedlylicans

tried to reach out to people connected to wikileaks and dispatched advisors or associates to attempt to get advanced knowledge of what wikileaks was doing. he claimed everything he did was innocuous and never made it all the way but now this indictment just he repeatedly misled congress about those attempts. host: what did the committee find out and what did the fbi find out about those attempts? extensivey were more than he publicly acknowledged. he told the committee never encouraged anyone to reach out outikileaks and they found -- contradicted aspects of his testimony. mueller has been scrutinizing congressional interactions lately. recently got access to this transcript so he's able to put it to the test.

host: what was roger stone cost role at the time that he is making -- reaching out to wikileaks? what is his role in the campaign if any? guest: it was not an official role. started out on the official side and left the campaign but continued to remain in touch with president trump. other associates on the campaign. that is at the core of this indictment. he was providing updates to the campaign about his outreach attempts. at least represented that he had foreknowledge of what wikileaks was up to. not in the official role but someone who was known to be a trump confidant for many years. host: who was he talking to on the campaign staff? guest: that is the one million-dollar question. he said he has been in touch with trump himself although that he never discussed these issues with him. the indictments it says he was in touch with campaign officials

but they do not name which officials those are and who was receiving these updates of the indictment does say the campaign assign someone to contact him to learn about future wikileaks releases long before they were public knowledge. that is sort of the mistry that is standing. host: does the indictment hascate this staffer testified before the house or the senate intelligence committee or has been interviewed by robert mueller? guest: i'm unclear on that. it is certainly likely. a couple of the other witnesses alluded to in this indictment we know were interviewed by special counsel mueller including the one stone allegedly pressured to mislead the committee. that whoeverainty that is has been reached out to and contacted if not interviewed. a lot more to come, i'm sure. host: it looks like from your twitter feed you have been looking in -- looking through indictment.

what do you make of it right now as you quickly read through this morning? guest: it is a 24 page raises morend it questions. another example of robert mueller telling us a story through this indictment -- not charging anyone with collusion per se, which is what you will hear a lot of trouble allies .2. these are things related to his truthfulness and testimony that they raise these questions about know and the campaign n how much awareness did they have of where these images were coming from. we are learning a lot of new information but at the same time kinds of new questions we have to ask. host: has wikileaks is connection with russia been established? guest: intelligence community is uniformly behind that assessment.

the opinion of the intelligence agencies, russia is the source of the emails. quarters of trump supporters and allies have questions about that. stone himself really put out there an alternative theory that it was some kind of inside job by the democratic national committee. host: in one of your tweets you pointed out this, shortly after wikileaks released the first podesta emails a trump campaign well test -- texted stone done. what do you make of it? guest: that is maybe the most intriguing part of the entire indictment. aide under thegn impression stone had more access than he did to wikileaks or is the question we now have to ask did stone tell them with certainty what was coming? and give the campaign awareness that it was coming. those emails drop the same day as the access hollywood tape

came out and split the storyline from something damaging for trumpet the time so stone communicates to the campaign what to expect. host: where does your reporting go next? guest: now i have to find out who in the campaign we are talking about. what the campaign new. some of strong denials of advanced knowledge what .ikileaks is up to how much to the campaign -- and how damaging it was going to be. host: what do you think the house intelligence and senate intelligence committee will do with this news this morning? guest: the house intelligence committee in particular is democrat led. the committee allegedly lied to hear.

they may state that just because mother is on top of this. they are not going to get a lot of new information but their promise to revisit this, democrats believe stone had been lying to them for a long time and wanted to revisit his testimony. host: follow couching is reporting, follow him on twitter . thank you for the update. guest: thanks so much. host: let's get the calls and your reaction to this news. the in new york, independent. i'm just wondering if the taxpayers have any leverage by having or getting if we don't have legal recourse to the shutdown whereby we figure out how much we pay in federal taxes everyday and deducted that amount for each day the government shutdown. host: we will go on to chad in north carolina, republican.

john in ohio. independent. what is your reaction to this news about roger stone? caller: he mentioned about the report i want to know why did he spend the money to publish a report when the president took sideof office -- american and ousted the source of israel. he took oath of office. this charade. tweetingquin castro out this this morning. at the end of roger stone's interview with the house intelligence committee everyone in the room knew he had just lied. today's indictment shows the connections between stone, the .rump campaign, and wikileaks

further evidence of collusion, conspiracy. what is your reaction to it? go ahead share your comments. caller: as far as i'm concerned mother is doing a great job. him and trump and all of them for what they are doing. done, the biggest con artist who ever lived. host: brendan boyle, congressman tweeting out russian government with an arrow to julian assange with an arrow to roger stone with an arrow to the trump campaign. getting your reaction to this this morning. your thoughts on roger stone being arrested by the fbi. he will appear in court this morning in fort lauderdale arrested earlier this morning. a cosmic tweeting out roger stone worked overtime to get his hands on russian hacked emails

and stone took out the shovels to bury and hide his dirty deeds from investigators. but this in context with the others eager to work with russians, this was a campaign of cheats. democrat.orida, a what do you think? caller: this whole thing shows people do cheat when they run for office. the fact that he got indicted on several things, not just one thing, one of them even being witness tampering. --il we as a country decide and get back to our moral fiber, holding people accountable and people brushing things under the table, they exaggerate on both

, they exaggerate on both sides. this whole thing about the shutdown, all this stuff is just a bunch of mass that somebody is doing to our country and making it worse, not better. host: that is still in florida. it on, california republican. caller: i was curious why mueller is going after roger stone when he should be going after julia massage and having him extradited to face criminal charges of pedophile. long as he wants to get this information. i don't think roger stone is going to give you any information. he is a smart man. he will keep his mouth shut. host: jim, massachusetts, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. apparently we have a problem with multinational corporations that basically did what ibm and the not to did in the 1930's. you overthrow countries, steal

their resources in the name of democracy and then you come back governmenta kangaroo like a banana republic. plantationhing but a people being controlled by multinational corporations cannot give you the truth. host: the story from politico this morning is that roger stone is indicted on seven counts. he misled lawmakers on the house intelligence committee on his efforts to communicate with wikileaks and his contacts with the trump campaign. it alleges he intended to intimidate another witness who was in contact with wikileaks head julian assange in 2016. glenn and new jersey, a republican. caller: hello. host: good morning. caller: here's the deal. morsel.for another

it's something they can chew on and this is not it. you've got to respect the election. let the man do his job. stop with all the hate. you told us we had to respect obama and we did. don't equate the red hat with that stuff. rich got thoseh out, the bernie guide. host: michele in virginia, independent. michele, in virginia on our line .or independents donny and kentucky, a democrat. can we hear from you this morning? i think he watching ought to have been arrested a long time ago. the main course of the meal,

ought to arrest donald trump two years ago. everything he's been accused of. the republicans are right behind him. that's all i have to say. morning hasday this a story about michael:, the president's former lawyer related to this conversation. the senate intelligence committee subpoenaed michael: to en tofy -- michael coh testify. wednesday he refused to testify voluntarily before a house panel because of threats from trump and rudy giuliani. a subpoena to testify on every 12 before hen will honor congressional subpoenas but appearances would depend on assurances that cohen and his family would be protected.

could becerned there some danger when you're labeled a rat and going to federal prison. a separate inquiry into payoffs to conceal allegations that trump carried on affairs with two women. while the conditions for best abouttions for which -- the extent of negotiations to build a proposed trump tower in moscow which continued during most of 2016. roger stone being indicted for lying to the house intelligence committee about details of his communications with wikileaks. richard in louisiana. caller: this man was arrested because he lied. half of washington lies. the only thing stone did wrong was back trump. , roofers i sitna

and watch these people come over --e from mexico host: we arehost: going to stick to the topic. steve in tennessee, a democrat. caller: good morning. i cannot believe those republicans call here and want to bash everyone but the facts. --mp host: we're listening. caller: donald trump and all of his associates have conspired with the russians to get elected president. those are the facts. i cannot believe they continue and say these things on television. it's ridiculous that they continue to do that. host: eric in seattle. caller: we all know that donald

trump was broke. his family members have said they were borrowing money from russia. roger stone has been a longtime associate of donald trump. all these people. , donalding to tell you trump, that's the reason he wouldn't show his taxes. if you just see his taxes you can see the connection of all these ties. wilbur ross laundering money. steve mnuchin, all these people are grifters. athael flynn and just look it. donald trump really is the manchurian candidate. he is a puppet. white he is they privilege president. you can tell he don't read. suffering early stages of dementia, alzheimer's. he should not go to vietnam. he would not go to fight a war.

kim jong-un. he's looking for somewhere to go into exile, russia, north korea he ise he knows or later going to jail. he's the type of person -- he shut the government down, all these republicans defending this guy now they are talking about going into venezuela. host: i want to stick to the headline this morning. fbi arresting roger stone. business insider has an article they published. they have updated in light of the indictment. it took nearly 20 years for roger stone to realize his dream. the self-described dirty trickster who has been in and around republican politics for half a century has made it something of a mission to make .onald trump president tom says he fired stone for hugging the media spotlight.

stone has remained one of trump's most loyal true believers and now robert mueller has indicted him with one count of the structure and one count of witness tampering. withlleged communication wikileaks founder as the fbi look for connections between trump campaign and russian .eddling in the 2016 election thursday's filing refer to stone's contacts with organization one which had posted documents stolen by others from the u.s. government and citizens. filings said it released tens of thousands of documents stolen from people including the dnc and personal email account of clinton campaign chair john podesta. organization one is widely believed to be wikileaks. you can read more on business insider.com. joe in florida, republican. go ahead with your comment. caller: welcome to the new cold war.

.utin succeeded we need to drop a bomb on the brazilian embassy with emphasis with another bomb to get rid of assange. host: michael in minnesota, democrat. caller: good morning. to say i hope everything is going well with your new studio. fine.ks very better than the other thing. see thelling, now we situations that have been going on with mr. mueller's investigation. we are seeing it has some truth in it. anytime you are doing an investigation even at the state levels it takes time for all this information and materials to materialize and for us to see

what he is doing, mr. mueller. it's an ongoing investigation. now we are seeing what's behind it and what the truth to the matter is. host: back to the article on michael cohen this morning. it also notes mr. cohen was sentenced for series of federal crimes including campaign-finance violations and lying to congress. he long defended trump in legal, business, and political matters but turned on him as prosecutors focused on his dealings. caller: good morning. i would like to say it is funny -- thoseary lied 33,000 emails were subpoenaed and the fbi and hillary's lawyers and they all destroyed them. the gentleman was right way back

them. the gentleman was right way back when but you got to remember wikileaks is set up where people put stuff into it. it is not like assange is getting this info. 100% of this stuff has been for better or worse, it has been to. he already had before roger stone and conspired they would have had to conspired with the russians or whomever to leak that info from the dnc which they did not do. it was already gotten which it should of been outed because on those 33,000 emails i would gather you're going to find a lot of stuff about libya and with the money, state department, sidney blumenthal, 662 calls from investors stevens. .hese people died 662 calls she says she never got one of them. .hey were pleading for help they got into a lot of trouble

because sidney blumenthal and hillary and these people did not have the proper people like blackwater protecting that place. they put the wrong people in and they funded the wrong people and armed the wrong people. we were thinking they would get assad out and that backfired. host: mike in massachusetts, democrat. good morning. caller: my comment is susan colucci did something about it instead of saying no all the time things would probably be getting done. host: what do you mean? to? are you referring caller: susan colucci. host: i'm going to leave it there. we will take a short break.

when we come back we will talk with democratic congressman jesus chili garcia -- later cathy chase is going to discuss the group 2019 roadmap of state highway safety laws. a look at what states are doing to make roadways safer. ♪ >> the richard dean story does not end there. this last november he was forced out of his office when the government shutdown and the second time the government shutdown he continued helping social security recipients but he was working without pay.

on behalf of richard dean and his family and all the other people who are out there working every day, doing a good job for the american people i challenge all of you in this chamber let's never ever shut the federal government down again. >> this weekend on american history tv saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, stonehill college professor on how the state of the union has changed since the time of george washington. >> clinton scored here. politically and so we start to see that the address the lore of politics is too great for many presidents. wilson -- it is designed to -- it is designed for party leadership.

so presidents don't avoid the opportunity to use the address to try to score political points. we are way far away from that formal sink address that george washington would have given or many of his successors. >> this weekend on american history tv. host: we want to welcome to our ,able congressman jesus garcia representing the fourth district of illinois. let's talk about this idea being floated in the senate that you reopen the government for three weeks and the president says it also has to include some sort of prorated down payment on the border wall. what do you think? guest: i think we need to be cognizant that we have arrived at day 35 of the shutdown. that people are suffering. they will miss their second paycheck.

he hundred 20,000 federal employees. affecting many services of the federal government. i think reopening the government soon as possible is a good thing. the conversation on border security, we are ready to engage in that. we acted yesterday in the house, took measures to reopen the government while investing in border security and putting in place infrastructure and systems that will help ensure that we detect drugs coming into the country. weapons, or other contraband so our ability to engage in a conversation is a sincere one. we are ready to do it but i think the first thing we need to do is open the government. if the president signals we could open the government host: tomorrow. what effect is the shutdown having on those in your district us to mark how many federal workers do you have? guest: probably 1500 to 2000

workers in my district but in the metro area there are many more. a total of 7500 employees in the state of illinois. i'm that with a group of workers and agency heads that rely on government funding who provide very critical services from homelessness to certifying people for affordable housing for many families and we heard their stories. among the most impactful stories that i heard was the inability of domestic violence advocates and service providers to provide services to women and children who have been the victims of domestic violence. because they are being overwhelmed and they are not getting the funding they of relied upon they are borrowing money against their line of credit. so the lives of women who are victims of domestic violence and

their children are literally hanging in the balance because of our inability in washington to be reasonable and practical about reopening the government and beginning a dialogue about immigration reform. the crisis at the border and what we need to do to move forward. i came to washington to address issues of economic justice, increase the minimum wage deal with the crushing student debt so many young people are experiencing, real issues. that is what we want to address but this is becoming an obstacle to that. just congress garcia started his first term here in washington. what resources are available to federal workers who -- the ones that have been furloughed and those deemed essential and have to go to work without pay? guest: inhey do?

illinois the governor took an important step two days ago where he is making loans available to federal employees that are being affected by this there have been several corporations including j.p. morgan chase and several others that have come forth to provide food, loans to people. let's be clear. people work for the federal government affected by the shutdown do not earn high salaries. they live paycheck to paycheck. today they are missing their second paycheck. if we don't open the government many of them will have to seriously think about leaving the federal government because we are asking them to work and not be compensated. this is a serious and unfair hostagetaking by this administration. we should open the government

and begin conversations on the more difficult issues. i think everyone has now the ability to become more practical and do things that are in the public interest for our country. host: democratic congressman collin peterson of minnesota did an interview with kf gl radio. he had to say this about the shutdown. [video clip] >> i told them the other day i'm a committee chairman so i'm in the room with other readership and i told them you guys are making a mistake. give trump the money -- i would give him the whole thing that he wants and put strings on it so that you make sure he puts the bowler needs to be. why are we fighting over this? we're going to build that wall anyway at some time. they don't want to give him a when he does not want to give nancie a win.

the people suffering are the poor people that work for the government. these 800,000 people in limbo and i've talked to some of them and they are beside themselves. office inthe fsa will detroit lake when he opened it up. talking to the person in there and she said it was one of their employees out of work and her husband works for the fish and wildlife service so they don't have any income. beside themselves about what to do. it is not their fault. this is unnecessary. , the congressman garcia wall is inevitable says your colleague. guest: the medieval measure for security. the american public is largely opposed to building a wall and certainly to having the wall be the hostage that we keep over

800,000 people from being paid who work for the federal government. opening the government should happen. we can have a serious conversation about border security. about the national interest and yesterday we passed measures on the floor of the house of representatives that demonstrate democrats care about this but that we want to be forward thinking can make the right investment in infrastructure like at ports of entry. increasing the number of immigration judges so we don't have the backlog that we do and recognizing that a lot of the crisis at the border has to do with people coming from central america seeking political asylum . we need to invest in central a newa to do things like marshall plan to prevent people having to flee their countries of origin because of violence, poverty, because governments

there have not had the ability to create economic activity. people do not migrate because they've heard stories about a great country. they don't want to leave their .amilies they leave because they are being forced to. we are being displaced by all of these factors in their countries. story, howpersonal did you and your parents come to this country? guest: my father came to the u.s. in the late 1940's at the end of the war to work in the .ields in texas and california he came as part of a worker exchange program with mexico came on -- as he several occasions he made his way eventually to kansas. the midwest and chicago where he found good employment. when he was able to secure his ,reen card he petitioned for us my mom and my three siblings arrived at el paso in 1965 and we began living the american

experience. the american dream and this is the story of one more immigrant who has never committed a crime, who serves in the u.s. congress, who is active in his community, who has entered into all kinds of relationships and experiences with americans, very diverse. it's a great story and it underscores the type of people who i represent in congress who are hard-working with great moral values would become a part of the american tapestry all over the united states where as american as anyone else can we simply want to make this country a better place for everyone. host: you later becoming a citizen and now a u.s. house representative. let's hear from david in west virginia. caller: congressman, isn't it true that presidents already

order that all the government employees would be and once this is over with he's already assigned that and congress approved it? pay these employees and is in it not true that it is delayed? they are working for delayed pay ? it is a lie that they are working and not getting paid. it is actually delayed pay and the ones not working are actually delayed pay. we are actually telling american people fake news. host: let's get a response. guest: the fact is this is day 35 of the shutdown and 820,000 employees and their families have not been paid. you can say we will pay you but

to the person who works and does not get paid have you pay your mortgage, your utility bills? that is the reality so it does not matter what the people have said, the good intentions, what matters is we resolve this and people get the paychecks they have already earned that we have not paid on and get real. they should not have to be forced to go out and look for loans. they should not be going to food pantries. these are hard-working individuals. they protect us. they provide important services and we should pay them. this is money they have earned. utility bills are higher and the only thing that matters is a paycheck for themselves and their families. host: charles is next in new jersey. caller: thanks for taking my call. democrats are hollering about

these people should get paid why don't you get trump the money and everybody will get paid? guest: as we have stated we have from the timeoney that i took the oath of office on that same day we acted in the house of representatives. passed measures to fund the government. that ise senate blocking the ability for a bill to be sent to the president. we have done the responsible butgs not just on day one 11 times since then. most recently yesterday when we passed a continuing resolution that would open the government. if mitch mcconnell would call those bills for a vote i think the president would be in a difficult situation and would probably have to open the government. then we can begin conversations on other issues that require a

full debate, a full hearing and real solutions including immigration reform and the crisis at the border. host: jamaal in north carolina you are on the air with the congressman. i think it is carol in eastern maryland. caller: i'm a republican. i vehemently opposed the shutdown. these people are not thinking mr. schumer, ms. pelosi and of the president, no one is ever going to forget that day tied up 35 days with these people not getting paid. 850,000 people. i have a relative who's trying to pay school tuition. nobody thinks about that. groceries, in,

would run out of money after 35 days. how about people with four little children? i'm just appalled that the president and especially pelosi and schumer, i would never vote for a democrat again in my life. guest: i respect your opinion however we should be mindful of the fact that 40 democrats were elected in the midterm elections many women have come to represent their constituencies in the house of representatives. let us not forget it was president trump who assumed personal responsibility for the shutdown from day one. only the house of representatives with the new majority has acted responsibly in acting was a -- legislation that would open the government is president trump would simply , reopen the government

and begin negotiations. host: government executive has this headline, the government spending $90 million a day to pay people not to work and then they have a running tad in the corner of this piece, the government is paying for load federal workers $3 billion to stay home from working during the partial shutdown and the it's taking up throughout the day. what is your reaction to that? guest: these are real expenses and costs that american taxpayers are incurring not only is this happening but our inability to do the right thing and get the government working again his affecting the financial markets, affecting our economy. it is embarrassing. the only country in the world that shuts itself down because of political disagreements. we should continue to work to open the government and have the debates about other policy

issues when government workers are putting in a fair days work are compensated for that. this is now the second paycheck those employees and their family are missing out on unnecessarily. host: there were reports democrats led by the speaker would be unveiling your vision for border security what are the details of this plan? guest: the details were shown yesterday. further explanations today by house immigrants but we recognize that in order to make the government function again on the topic of border security, because that seems to be one of the overarching concerns of the administration that we are prepared to invest in it. we passed measures on the house floor that includes -- to the total of $1.6 billion. it includes money for hiring

more judges so that we don't have the backlog in immigration cases across the country. imports an investment of entry to this country. most of the drugs that come into the country come in through ports of entry across the country. we are investing in the measure that typesterday in of infrastructure in additional technology that would enable us to examine all of the carriers coming into the country be it at the border, the port where fentanyl and heroin and other dangerous drugs are coming into the country. that is the reality. the measures we took recognize and address that and make an investment in all of these things. we passed another measure to the tune of about $524 million to invest in central america seeking to stem the factors that are making people come to the u.s. seeking political asylum so

we have shown we want to address the issues the american public is debating and asking us to act upon but there is no reason to hold government employees hostage in the meantime. host: jamaal is a federal worker in north carolina. caller: thank god for c-span. i called in on the federal workers line because i receive social security disability. my question is we are next on the list i would imagine as far as federal funding is concerned to be cut off and what i'm saying is the wall is a good is rusty and old in places and i understand why it does need replacing but at the same time i heard comments time i heard comments yesterday that i was concerned about. folks saying workers can go get loans. that is not the reality of the , thege federal worker

folks that are receiving social security benefits. in most cases a lot of them don't even have banks bank accounts they can go to. so to just walk into a bank and get a loan, that is not the reality of what's going on. i wanted to know a little bit about who's next on the line to will folksfunding from social security be next? i'm just curious about that. guest:, the folks that are receiving social security thank you for your comment. let us not forget that over the huge investments in border security have been the reality. congresswoman escobar represents the district looted in el paso texas has made this point time and time again. democrats recognize that ensuring we have 21st century detection of the border needs to we advanceable

legislation yesterday that seeks to do this more information on that will be unveiled today by speaker pelosi and other democrats in washington. so we are demonstrating that we care about those issues and concerns that we want to be smart about it and that we want to invest in the infrastructure that will make our country safer , especially in the detection of drugs, contraband, weapons that may be coming into the country. let us recall most of them come in through existing ports of entry which need an investment in infrastructure so that we can detect these threats to our well-being. mexicoavid, in new caller:. believe question is, i the democratic party is like big government.

they want to control people's lives. my second question is, why doesn't mexico, honduras and guatemala and all those places down their fight for their own rights and that of coming down here and interfering with our freedom and trying to take advantage of everything that we offer. you know as well as i know .llegal is illegal and you guys are letting these people come in you legally and you yourself know these people coming in -- over here where i live us hard-working americans that work hard for our living usually these people coming across the border all of a sudden they've got houses, cars, trucks big fences around their houses that they build in one or

two years in the all-conference mexico and you know the cost for that. trump is athing is, patriot. he's not a politician. he loves all of us americans over here. you all want this country to be destroyed. you want people to come in at anytime they want. host: i want the congressman to react. guest: thank you for your call. i respect her political views and obviously you are a supporter of president trump. that is your right. let us be mindful of several things. and our neighbor to the south in and our neighbor to the south in mexico the new president and the new congress avenue taken measures to establish a system to ensure that people fleeing central america do so in an manner and lawful

have set up a system so that we know who may be seeking to come to the u.s. to make their case for political asylum. what we're saying is that process that has been in place for decades is one of our greatest traditions as a country that has respected and welcomed immigrants, people who come here as refugees or seeking political asylum should have the opportunity to be heard to go before an immigration judge and that is one of the elements of the legislation that we passed yesterday out of the house. those are some of the virtues this country has become such a great country on. i live in a community with many immigrants as my neighbors. i don't see the type of dynamic that you are sharing with us about people overnight getting big houses and building walls around them.

that may be an instance of somebody who may be a great entrepreneur or possibly a drug dealer but it is the rare exception i would say anywhere in america. addressing border security is one thing. seeking to paint a whole community as being somehow criminally prone or being people who don't have the values we have i think is a distortion of reality. host: washington post front-page , u.s. will send asylum seekers to wait in mexico. u.s. officials at the southern border will send applicants back to mexico as the trump administration influence new measures preventing migrants from waiting in the united states while their cases are processed. followsiative high-level talks between the two governments late last year as order officials struggled to contend with the wave of central american migrants fleeing violence and poverty. you've spoken to the mexican

ambassador to the united states. what is going on with our relations here? what you make of this headline? the exodus of people fleeing violence and poverty and political instability and corruption in the northern triangle of the countries of guatemala, el salvador and honduras is creating an unprecedented accidents of people fleeing these intolerable conditions. i'm heartened by the fact that the conversations between our government and the mexican government have been honest and productive. it has made the mexican government take measures to have a more orderly way of allowing migrants from central america to come into mexico to ensure that we know who is coming in for security purposes as they make their way northward to have an

opportunity to present their cases. let us remember it was the trump administration which changed the practice of allowing political asylum. to make their cases. they changed it and because people were so backlog at ports of entry were traditionally you make your case to see if the merit is there for you to be considered a refugee to do so change that policy and began forcing people to other more remote areas across cross the border to have the opportunity to come upon border patrol agents and customs agents to make their case for political asylum. that is in part what has exacerbated the crisis at the border. if we return to the practice that we had in place to allowing people to present their cases

things would be a lot more orderly. it is the it's the deterioration of conditions that is causing this exodus in the northern triangle. host: one last call. mike from texas. mike, you oppose the call, is that correct, or the shutdown? caller: yes, are you there? host: yes, go ahead. caller: well, your choices were, the lady asked what my party was and the choices were oppose or support the shutdown and the party doesn't matter. no sane, reasonable person supports a shutdown. let's get serious. all we hear from one side is the only way to stop the shutdown is to open the government. the other way to shut the shutdown down is to talk reasonably with the other side. not like nancy. ll nancy says is no.

host: are you concerned, congressman, that's the perception, that democrats are just saying no, there are not negotiations, there's not talking going on? guest: i think there are back channels being explored and i suspect from some of the reactions of members of the senate and some members of the house in the republican party that there is an increasing testyness on their part that will lead to more conversations. i suspect that those will intensify today as the end of the day approaches and as the reality that 820,000 federal employees are not being paid. their families are suffering. that the shutdown continues to impact the economy, that we can become once again the laughing stock of the world for closing our government and doing this shooting ourselves in the foot, that the talks will get more

and more serious and i remain optimistic that that dialogue can lead to an agreement about opening the government and then debating the more difficult issues, that there can be polarization. guest: congressman garcia, thank you for the conversation and talking to our viewers. -- host: congressman garcia, thank you for the conversation and talking to our viewers. we are going to be talking about cathy chase, president of the advocates for highway and auto safety. they're out with their new report on what's happening on the nation's high waist. we'll be right back. ♪ >> live, february 3, super bowl sunday, at noon eastern, author and sports writer dave is our guest on book tv's "in depth." author of many books including what's my name, fool," "game

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over 1,000 -- about 1,100 children ages 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle crashes. 4,750 fatalities in crashes involving young drivers. what is the state of our roads? guest: i'm so glad you read all of those numbers because all of those numbers are people. our report is important. we show what states' laws are missing in a variety of areas. and what can be done to make our roads safer. because right now they're not as safe as they should be. most states are given a yellow rating. on of them received a -- their way toward being well but no state in the nation has achieved all 16 of our optimal laws. host: why, what's happening?

guest: legislation to move in the legislatures, you really need champions who are committed year after year so i'd really encourage the viewers to look at our report which is on saferoads.org, contact your state legislator and let them know to prioritize safety. host: in the report you have polls. you asked people, how concerned are you about being on the road with driverless cars? 69% of people say they're concerned. do you support safety standards for driverless cars? this is one safety aspect of our roadways, something new coming to our roads, driverless cars. what have you found out? guest: well, our position is it done e way to get safely is to have minimum standards so the cars have to meet a minimum level of safety and that will build confidence in buyers along the way to

driverless cars. right now there are some technologies like automatic emergency braking, for example, that could be in all cars right now and saving lives. crashes, front to rear crashes involving injuries have been shown to go down 56% with automatic emergency braking. that will be remarkable if every car had one of those right now. host: we want to ask our viewers to participate in this conversation so what we've done is pose questions to all of you, highway safety, what's your biggest concern? if you live in the eastern, ntral part of the country, 202-737-0001. mountain, pacific -- ok. we will change that up. 202-737-0001 for eastern, central. d 202-737-0002 for mountain, pacific. the phone numbers will be on your screen. dial in. what's your biggest concern for highway safety? you note this.

primary enforcement seat belt laws, all motorcycle helmet law, rear facing through age 2 car seats, booster seats, graduated driver licensing, g.d.l., for teen drivers, impaired driving and all driver text messaging restrictions. g.d.l., cell phone restriction. let's talk about each of those. primary enforcement seat belt laws. guest: that means everyone in a vehicle needs to be buckled up. host: including the backseat? guest: including the back seattle. children and older passengers are vulnerable to crashes. it's important everyone be buckled up. host: why do states still not have seat belt laws? some states don't have this. what did you find out about the backseat? the reason -- some of

the reasons why states don't have seat belt laws right now is becomes some legislators are resistant to inflict the role of government or a nanny state concept but it's so important for people to know that nearly half of all fatalities are people who aren't buckled up. so if we could get everyone to if le up, the passengers, you're in a crash, would be so much safer. host: what did police find out for those in the back seattle and the importance of wearing a seat belt? guest: i think some people think there is a false sense of security in the backseat because you are not close to where a crash might happen but it's so important people be buckled up, especially if there are advanced air bags or other protections in a vehicle. host: all riders, motorcycle helmet law. talk about that one. guest: so there are some

motorcyclists that resists and don't want to be told to wear a helmet. their mantra is let those who ride decide but we counter that with let those pay have a say. because when they are in a crash and they can be horrific, we just had a press conference an emergency room nurse spoke about being on the frontlines and having to help these motorcyclists who are not properly helmeted and it's a horrific scene. so we really want to see every state enact an all rider helmet law. host: rear facing car seat through age 2. when did this change? it used to be when your baby weighed a certain amount you could turn them around. guest: so seats, car seats for children have improved and advanced. and there are some new research that shows it's actually better to keep them rear facing through age 2.

host: why? what have you found out? guest: because they have weak neck and to protect them in a crash, when rear facing, they are more protected that day. host: and booster seats. guest: booster seats are so important. seat belts are designed for an adult, per se. the booster seat is elementary, really. it just lifts the child so that the seat belt fits them properly. host: finally -- excuse me. we'll go on. graduated driver's license for teen drivers, g.d.l. guest: this is important for me. i have two teenagers. teens are risky. they take risky behavior. and they really need to learn how to drive in the safest conditions which means they shouldn't have other teenagers in the car with them. they shouldn't be driving at nighttime when the roads are more dangerous. it just leads them gradually into the process until they get their full license. host: and so how long would it take them for a teenager to get their license versus what it

used to be? guest: each state has a different law. but if we were talking about what we'd ultimately like, about a year. host: impaired driving. guest: it's unbelievable that still a third of all fatalities are impaired driving crashes. and people should not drive while they are impaired. if you drink, don't drive. you have so many other options, public transportation or different services that we can use or walk or bike or -- well, you shouldn't bike while you're impaired either. there are ways to get around safely. -- are impairing yourself imperiling yourself and everyone on the road. pedestrians and bicyclists are vulnerable in crashes. host: are these folks who are driving and causing these accidents, killing themselves, killing others, is this one-time incident? guest: no. madd has some research that shows people drive impaired numerous times before they get

pulled over. host: what are states doing about that? guest: one of the critical components of that is having all offender ignition interlock device locks. not easy to say. which means if someone is arrested for drunk driving there's a device put in the car that you have to blow into to show you're not impaired before you drive. host: all right. finally, let's talk about phones and texting. guest: it's a big problem. it's a growing problem. people aren't using their phones for conversations either. they're using them to stream videos or play games or take selfies. there are so many things someone can do with a phone now. it's a growing problem. and we need to put some restrictions so that people know they should not be using their phones in any way when they're driving. host: and that is the money -- front page story of the money section of "usa today," "risky phone use soars, killing americans" is their headline. 57% of drivers were observed manipulating their phones more

often in 2018 than they were in 2014. 800, the estimated number of people who were killed in crashes in 2017 due to drivers who were using their phones for something other than a call. that is the front page of "usa today." let's get to our phone calls. jim who is in new york. jim, while you're talking, we want to show you some statistics from your state in new york from this report put out by the advocates for highway and auto safety. go ahead, jim. caller: yeah, hi. i see the numbers there on the reen and i would have to say i see it driving, all the time. it's the worst. i don't think there's anything you can do about it. host: is that true, cathy chase? guest: thank you for calling in. it is horrible. you're right. you're absolutely right. these numbers are underreported because people do not admit. some people do but most people i'd venture to guess do not because it's against their

self-interest but there are some tools that police officers can be given so if they do witness distracted driving on the roads they can pull people over so we'd like to see a texting ban and a cell phone use ban for teenagers. host: we'll go next to massachusetts. good morning to you. take a look at the numbers on your screen from massachusetts. go ahead. caller: hello. host: hi. you're on the air. good morning. caller: yeah. first of all, you were talking about the cell phones, the cell phone industry has the technology that if you're in a car they can stop things like texting and streaming videos. that can be done now. they have the technology. also, for the self-driving autonomous cars, they should be held to the same requirements as your aerospace industry where electrical interference,

e.m.i. interference, lightning interference should be a requirement and there should be a redundant system where you have two computers in the car, not just one. and this is what your jumbo jets have. they have computers where they can both talk to each other and make sure that the requirements are correct and data is correct. host: ok. cathy chase. guest: absolutely agree, there needs to be minimum safety protections for these driverless cars. including, like you said, redundancy and functional safety systems so that all of the problems that we know about are taken care are and there needs to be backups, like you said. also, these -- the manufacturers of driverless cars should be learning from each other's mistakes. i'm not talking about sharing proprietary information but information that can be itemized so they are learning from each other. we want to see these driverless cars succeed if they truly have the capability of saving lives

and preventing crashes. host: we'll go next to mississippi. gale is watching us there. fatalities in mississippi, 690 in 2017. the annual economic cost due to motor vehicle crashes, $2.7 billion. go ahead, gale. caller: thank you for taking my call. i do agree that every -- that you should have no texting in a vehicle. seat belt, my sister was actually in a vehicle accident back in 1995. she was ejected from the ehicle in the backseat and she flipped on the highway five times. whatever is in the car will be there whenever it stops, whatever is outside the car is what you need to worry about. and that's what people have forgotten. that cell phone, video, whatever, falls on the floor, it's going to be there. it's not going to be lost.

leave it alone. host: ms. chase. guest: i'm sorry to hear about your sister's crash but glad to hear she survived. you're right, seat belts are critically important. there is no call or no text that is more important than getting to your destination safely. put the phone away. shut it off. it's very simple. host: and tim in wisconsin. hi, tim. good morning to you. caller: good morning, america. good morning, c-span. why question is about -- my question is about marijuana. marijuana, different than alcohol. if i smoked marijuana three weeks ago and i got pulled over and they said they wanted me to go and take a blood test, they find a slight trace of marijuana in me, it's the same as a drunk driver even though i am not high. my second point is, always attacking a person's driver's license. let's say a man gets a drunk

driving ticket. why not hit him with a $5,000, $10,000 fine or appropriate percentage to his income, put a breathalyzer on him that he can't have any alcohol and right now my son-in-law is going through that. he's lost a really good job. he hasn't been in any kind of trouble in 20 years. he has to blow in a breath monitor every four hours. he's not drunk. why do they always attack the driver's license? first, the person can't even pay their fines. thank you. guest: thank you so much for calling. impaired driving is killing so many people every year. and it just -- it's a very simple message. if you're going to smoke marijuana, if it's legal in your state, if you're going to drink, just don't get behind the wheel. there was a recent study that showed that in four states that have legalized marijuana, collision claims have risen by

6%. so while we cannot measure marijuana, you're right, yet, in terms of impairment, there's no mechanism like a breathalyzer for someone that's been drinking, it's still dangerous to get behind the wheel if there is any impairment involved. host: let's explain the rating, the color rating that you're doing because we're about to talk to greg in arizona. arizona has a red state so what does that mean? guest: red states mean they're dangerously behind in enacting some highway safety laws so we have the green rating, yellow rating and red rating. so we have six states that have a green rating. 33 have a yellow. and 11 have red. host: in arizona, the fatalities, 1,000 in 2017. 10-year fatality total is 8,631. it's a cost of $4.183 billion. so, greg, good morning to you. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i'd like to comment on the area that i live in.

the biggest problem that we have with fatalities and problems on the highway are wrong-way drivers. they get on the freeway and go the wrong direction and hopefully we're on our way to solving that problem but we're not there yet. most of the time it's a drunk driver. it still happens on a regular basis. a couple times a week a lot of times. my comment regarding driverless cars, we got millions of cars on the road already that have defective air bags or air bags that don't work. i'd like to know why your guest believes there's any way we have the technology to even approach driverless automobiles when we can't get something as simple as an air bag to work. my other comment is, we already have tons of distracted driver and impaired driver laws on the books already. i think if we just enforce the

laws that we have, we'd be a lot better off rather than piling on more laws. i think we need to -- more enforcement. i'll hang up and listen to what your guest has to say. guest: there is a lot of issues you covered. really, really important. i'll start with the last one first. enforcement. absolutely agree. there needs to be more enforcement on our roads. our report just raised the states on three laws. child endangerment, open containers and all offender ignition interlock law so they are pretty basic laws. they are not super complicated. er state really needs to have these basic laws. in terms of the air bags, absolutely. it's a problem. we have been working very closely with the u.s. department of transportation and members of congress to try o get all of the defective air bags off of the roads. the recall process is not

perfected by any stretch of the imagination and that's something we have been trying to improve. we would like to see the department of transportation, more specifically, the national highway traffic safety administration which is our watchdog have more authority so they can more swiftly pull any defective vehicles off the road and your first comment was about infrastructure. it's a problem. i mean, when i was driving here this morning there was this huge pothole on the road and that is just one stretch of road. there needs to be significant investments into our infrastructure and including better sinage. so do i think that driverless cars are ready to be on the road today? absolutely not. but there are some tech nols that have been proven -- technologies that have been proven to save crashes that could be in cars right now on the path to driverless cars. let me be very clear. i don't think driverless cars should be on the roads until

they are proven tore safe. host: you can find more details about this report, go to saferoads.org. and in that report you'll find this number. how did you come up with that umber? caller: hi, greta. sorry. turned it down. and cathy, also, hello. greta, you have been very tolerable. i wish you were on more during the week. on this particular issue, in my town we lost a little boy that was in a thickly settled area. which is regular traffic with houses on both sides of the treet and the speed is just -- i think my main concern is speed. so what i would like to know from cathy, if you do work with

a.a.a. and nd stuff like that, you have some legislation that manufacturers can put with all of these electronic devices that we have that they could put in some type of electronic device that once the car gets off a highway and coming in a thickly settled area which i would call any town in the united states that that car couldn't go -- if there were devices that were put on the pole that would pick up the device in the car, that that car could not go more than 20 miles an hour on any residential street. once you're on the highway, if the highway speed is 65, that the car couldn't go any more than that 65. i know -- we already have that

technology where if you and i were on the highway and you were doing 65 and i had my car behind you, a couple hundred yards, and i was doing 75, as soon as i come within 100 yards of you, my cruise control almostly brings me down to that speed that the car in front of me is doing. we have the technology. we just need the legislation, the manufacturers, the a.a.a., some roup to get together time and get this type of legislation. host: ok, john. guest: thank you for your call and i'm so sorry to hear about the little boy. it's just devastating when anyone is involved in motor vehicle crashes, especially children. and i agree with you. there are technologies that can be in cars. i mentioned earlier, automatic emergency braking. that means that the car will

stop if the driver doesn't. there's also lane departure warning and blind spot detection. there are a number of technologies. and you mentioned adaptive cruise control where the car takes over when the driver fails. so i think these technologies should be put in all new cars. also, advocates for highway and auto safety is one of the few organizations that's been fighting against speed limits being higher. there's been, you know, push all over states throughout the country to increase speed limits and cars are going too fast and you can't obey the law of physics in a crash when you're going those exceedingly high speed limits. host: we'll go to florida next. jim is watching and calling in from florida. jim, florida is one of the 11 red states, the lowest ranking by the advocates for highway and auto safety. go ahead. caller: yes. i have something to say and dermatology.of

many times when somebody has a skin condition they don't want a seat belt rubbed up against that particular area. and right now i'm having biopsies done and i have skin cancer. so i have actually open wounds along my shoulders and my back. and when i drive, the belt is an impediment. and i've seen like more and more individuals are losing their options. we live in a democracy where we're constantly at war and we have veterans who are paying that price and yet they come home and their freedoms are constantly being diminished. and i'll say one thing about lee county where i live and have lived for 72 years. every season we do our best to

tear up roads during the tourist season so that the problem with the roads becomes compounded. and just the other day, maybe 10 days into -- just as cathy said, i'm only 10 days into being on the road with a new car. i haven't yet that i can think of fastened my safety belt yet. and i'm not going to. the thing is that the roads are awful. and we're taking something we sacrificed for, and it's destroying our equipment. and i hate to think that with this long practice of tearing up the roads, it's almost you can set your watch by it. host: ok. jim, we heard your point. the condition of our roads and the safety problems with it. guest: yeah, absolutely. i mean, our roads do need to be

improved. it comes down to an investment and finding the funds and prioritizing safety and i just wanted to say that i'm sorry about your suffering with cancer and i wish you well and i would encourage you to buckle up. there are some ways to do that safely but i wish you the best and thank you so much for calling. host: we'll go next to fay who is in new york. hi, fay. caller: hello. host: hi, fay, you're on the air. caller: oh, ok. sorry. there must be a delay. i just want to say i love c-span. i wish i can get through more often because there are so many concerns that you bring up. i can't get through on the phone. i live in ithaca, new york. and i have tell you -- and this is very important -- nobody cares. nobody cares about texting and driving. they've left it only to the police.

i'm a cyclist for over 30 years. the dangers of texting and driving, the dangers of tinted windows where you can't see what the driver is doing in front of you, and also, what i want to ask the speaker is -- the guest -- i really firmly believe we need a national rule. we can't have each state doing whatever it wants. we need education, which the city of ithaca doesn't want to do. we have people that are involved with alternative transportation, sustainable transportation, and they have done nothing, and i want the world to know it. it's shameful that this community has done zero, nothing to deal with texting and driving and all the dangers. host: ok. all right, fay. cathy chase. guest: i love your passion for these issues. i love that you're a cyclist. we have been trying to make the

road savers for cyclists. texting -- it's a public health epidemic, really. i would encourage you to contact, if you haven't already, your elected officials and urge them to improve text -- the texting laws in your states and throughout the country. it's vitally important. host: what about a federal law? guest: there are challenges with a federal law. let me give an example of a federal law. the .08% blood alcohol content law. sometimes these laws are first started as an incentive grant so you offer the states money to pass laws and then if that isn't effective, and oftentimes it's not, depending on the money, there could be a sanction. if the state doesn't pass a law, money will be withheld. when we worked together with mothers against drunk driving to get a national .08 law throughout the country, every state complied. they might not be politically

popular right now to have -- to withhold money from the states but they are effective. host: and you think -- is there any effort to have a national texting ban? guest: well, there are conversations, definitely. there are incentive grants and it's something we think about and we consider. it's just a very challenging political climate to move that right now. host: what about education or some sort of cultural change in our country where people put their phones down and do not text while they're driving? guest: i know, greta. the problem is everyone thinks they can multitask. what i'm concerned about especially is you have a parent in the front seat and the child in the backseat and the child is seeing their parent doing it so we're training our next generation as well to think, if mom and dad are doing it, it must be ok. so this is a really big problem . for sure we need educational experiences to be happening. and the message just needs to get out, just put the phone away. there is no call or text that is more important than driving

safely. host: and rick is in iowa. hi, rick. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. yeah, i'd like to see them do something about california handing out these driver's licenses to the illegals. i'm getting out of the hospital. i have a $100,000 hospital bill. broken legs. we got an illegal that don't have a driver's license, no insurance, two little kids in the car, none of them in a seat belt or in a child restraint, and he's gone. and he's had three different driver's licenses. 19-year-old kid. nebraska, california, and a colorado driver's license on him. and he -- original one was from california. and i thought in the united states if you have a driver's license, you have to have some kind of driver's education. this kid couldn't speak english and here i am stuck with

$100,000 insurance -- insurance bill that i am going to have to pay for -- hospital bill. host: ok, rick. cathy chase. guest: i wish you a speedy recovery. i'm glad you're out of the hospital. you know, everyone should have a driver's license at a very minimum if you get behind the wheel. if you're a teenager, like greta and i discussed, there should be a process for a teenager to learn how to drive safely in safe conditions that are not risky. you know, i agree with you that we need to have at least everyone having a driver's license. host: cathy chase, for our viewers who might have missed your news conference earlier this week, you can go to c-span.org. you had the national president of madd there, mothers against drunk driving, you had a local police chief as well to give their perspective on these numbers that you gathered. guest: it was great event. thank you for covering it.

we also had a member of the insurance industry to give their perspective. we had our consumer co-chair ho is the president of kipincars.org. they gave their perspective on why these laws are so important. as i said at the beginning of the show today, we are talking about people's lives and that's why this report is so important. host: for viewers who want to learn more go to their website saferoads.org and you can follow on twitter. thank you. guest: thanks so much for having me. host: we are going to take a break. when we come back, following the story of the government shutdown and you can do here on c-span, c-span2, c-span.org or the free c-span app. day 35. >> new york has five new members in their coonl delegations.

representative alexandria ocasio-cortez joins the congress as youngest, age 29. she defeated the former democratic caucus chair, joe crowley. and anthony britain disy, he previously served in the new york state assembly. before that he was an attorney in private practice. representative antonio delgado was also an attorney prior to his election to congress but he had a brief career as a rapper, releasing one album after his graduation from harvard law school. max rose was elected to represent staten island and brooklyn. he previously served in the u.s. army, including leading a platoon in afghanistan where he was wounded by an i.e.d. earning a purple heart and bronze star. representative joseph morelli joined the house a few weeks ahead of his classmates after

winning both a seat in the 116th congress and an election to fill the seat of late congresswoman louise slaughter for the remaining weeks of the 115th congress. congressman morelle served in the new york assembly since 1991, including five years as majority leader. new congress, new leaders, watch it all on c-span. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events in washington, d.c., and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. >> "washington journal" continues. host: and we are back. we're going to wrap up today's

conversation here on "washington journal" with your thoughts on day 35 of the government shutdown. we want to hear from federal workers this morning. get your perspective on the second paycheck being missed by federal workers today, no pay in this second paycheck. there are the lines on your screen. "washington post" front page has the headline, there are fresh talks aimed to end the impasse. that was after two bills on the senate floor failed to reach the 60 votes that they needed to pass it. one was the president's proposal that he floated last week and the other was a democratic response. neither one of them passed. now after that there were talks by a bipartisan group of senators. that perhaps they could open up the government for three weeks while they negotiated over the border security. in that deal would be sort of a down payment on the president's border wall. "the washington post" says that house speaker nancy pelosi called that a nonstarter.

let's go to antonio in new york. you oppose this shutdown. antonio, good morning to you. all right, antonio, you got to turn that television down. go ahead and talk and listen through the phone. caller: hello. i want to say they want to open up the government, they want [inaudible] host: all right, antonio. can't hear you because the television is on. it's difficult to hear you. we'll go to richie who is in massachusetts. supporting the government shutdown. hi. good morning to you. caller: yes, good morning. i'm calling because i support the shutdown. host: ok. caller: because the big thing .s government is so big

we can run the government with all these federal workers not working. can't believe that -- i feel no effect to it at all. that's how i look at it. government is too big and they have to do something about it, really. that's my comment anyway. host: well, ok. we'll go on to brad in kentucky. opposing the shutdown. hi, brad. caller: good morning. i just would like to comment that i think it's obvious that the president is willing to change his position and it is just sad to see the democratic leadership and i think is a problem of leadership on the democratic side be unwilling to negotiate and -- to any extent. and it's sad for the people caught in the middle. host: brad, listen to the president yesterday around 5:00 p.m. eastern time. after those two bills failed on

the floor he was asked if the two leaders in the senate, chuck schumer of new york, mitch mcconnell of kentucky, if they could come together on some sort of agreement. [video clip] reporter: if chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell would come to an agreement would you support it? president trump: if they come to a reasonable agreement i would support it. reporter: no wall money? president trump: look. i have other alternatives if i have to. i'll use those alternatives if i have to. we want to go through the system. we have to have a wall in this country. we have criminals pouring into our country. and i'm not talking about the southern border. they don't stay there. they permeate all throughout the country including places like wisconsin. a lot of different places. and that's the problem. i say that we would cut our -- you know we're doing well on crime rate compared to past years and past administrations. but i think our crime rate would go way down and i know our drug rates -- our drug -- what's happening is that the

drugs are pouring in. yes, they come through the ports of entry. but the big trucks come through areas where you don't have a wall and you have wide open spaces. we have to have the wall. host: president trump also saying yesterday that he has an alternative if the two sides can't come together. cnn exclusively reporting that the white house is preparing a draft national emergency order and they've identified $7 billion in funding for other agencies that could go for the wall. let's hear from ben in california. good morning, ben. caller: good morning. yeah. the shutdown, you know, just a few agencies that aren't etting paid. they could help them out. the actual cause, the platform is security. so what's going on here? every taxpayer that i could be aware of from the last five presidents have paid taxes for

that, security. so where is it? host: ok. ken in ohio. federal worker. ken, tell us how this is impacting you? caller: hi, greta. host: good morning. caller: this is an honor to speak with you. i've watched you for many years. i thank you for hosting programs on c-span and thank you for your service. i mention to the screener, this is our third big shutdown that i've experienced. i've been with the government for almost 30 years now. i'm able to weather it a little bit better this time than, say, like in 1995, 1996 when i had two small boys at home. but i don't it's really going to help achieve the objective of border security so i really wish they could find a different way to get -- to meet the objectives. i do think we need to strengthen immigration and border security but i don't think the shutdown was the way to go. host: so you're not reporting

to work. does this mean -- what about the -- there are handful of democrats, about 30, who signed a piece of legislation that said, give the president a vote on this border wall funding. do you agree? caller: they should give him a vote, i do believe, yeah. host: so that we can move forward possibly and reopen the government? caller: yeah. i think that's what should be done. i just don't -- i want to see better immigration rules or strengthen immigration, protections, and for border security but i just don't think the shutdown was the way to go. host: ok. well, we're going to keep talking to ken and others here this morning about this government shutdown, day 35. also want to give you an update on the news that broke this morning. roger stone being arrested by the f.b.i. jim with cnn tweeting out, the f.b.i. is executing a search warrant at the new york residence of roger stone,

according to kristen davis, who shares the duplex with rogers. he was noticed at 6:00 a.m. by the f.b.i. sarah sanders in the white house driveway taking questions. she had this to say about the arrest of stone. sarah: i am not an attorney. i don't can't to get into things i don't know. what i do know this has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the white house. and beyond that i am not going to get into it. reporter: have you spoken with the president about roger stone? today? sarah: i have spoken with the president. host: sarah sanders at the white house earlier today. let's hear from ann whoess in arizona -- who's in arizona. ann. caller: i think this is showing, there's just no respect. you know, we had to respect the office when obama was in there. and apparently lying is the big crime of the year. and why is it the american

people can't indict the politicians for lying to us? i wish they would have investigated benghazi as long as they investigated this stuff with russia. it's just -- the problem is they want the drugs. i think president donald and i are the only people in the united states that don't drink, do drugs, or smoke. and they just want to keep the drugs coming in here. that's why they're opposing it. president donald should have a cocktail party and get all those senators drunk and then maybe they'd be happy because they are a bunch of alcoholics. host: well, ann in arizona supporting this shutdown. jim in missouri, you are opposing it. jim, it's your turn. caller: yes, i do. one point i would like to make, federal minimum wage law in

this country. how can they require people to o to work without a check? as far as negotiating with donald trump over the wall, it's kind of hard to hit a moving target. the clip that you played a few minutes ago, he's saying big trucks are driving across the desert carrying drugs. the man doesn't have a clue. one problem i see here is minority rule. they say hillary lost the election. ell, she won the popular vote. republicans gerrymandering. more democrats vote. more republicans get elected. so we have a minority that ants a wall and wants -- who knows what -- and the majority of the people are opposed to

donald trump's position. thank you. host: ok. all right. we'll go to ohio supporting the shutdown. good morning. caller: good morning, greta. host: go ahead. caller: the first thing is, trump won because we, the people, voted for him and the wall. second, the taxpayers pay all their wages and, third, take the pay from all of congress for one year and see how they would like working without pay. thank you, greta. host: well, before you go? are you still there? caller: yeah. host: what do you think -- we, the people, voted for president trump because you wanted the wall. caller: correct. host: what do you think of the approval ratings? several polls listed in "the washington times" saying the president's approval rating has fallen, the government shutdown is eroding political support? caller: i don't believe that. no one's called me and left a message or anything about any

polls. so are they call just democrats or the republicans or all of us americans? host: ok. you don't trust them? [laughter] caller: not really. host: all right. another tweet here this morning on the roger stone breaking news, jerry nadler, democrat from new york, chairing the judiciary committee, roger stone, paul manafort, rick gates, michael flynn, what did the president know and when did he know it? c-span spoke with roger stone this past year before his new book "stone's rule" and he was asked about wikileaks. >> the russian state helped donald trump win along with the completely bogus claim that julian asang is a russian agent and i supposedly hacked emails from wikileaks and then passed to donald trump and the

donald trump campaign is truly he biggest lie of the century. >> this is absolutely true. you can read it constantly. you can see it on msnbc. let me be clear. i had no advanced knowledge of the source, content, or the exact disclosure timing of the wikileaks disclosure regarding the d.n.c. i received nothing, including allegedly hacked emails from wikileaks or the russians or anyone else. i passed nothing of that nature on to donald trump. as some have claimed. so this false allegation keeps getting repeated. there is no evidence to back it up because it is not true.

now, it is also accurate that i or t regard mr. assange wikileaks as assets. i think he is a journalist. he does what "the washington post," what "the new york times" does. he gets information, sometimes classified, and he publishes it. it's interesting to note that wikileaks, during the time of his existence, has never been questioned. host: intelligence committee, five counts of false testimony and an account of witness tampering and he notes this part of the affidavit. shortly after wikileaks released the first email on october 7, a trump campaign aide texted stone, well done. and he also tweeted out, the indictment also shows stone tried to get randy to mislead congress, too, and he made a

"godfather" reference to do it. o more on this story continuing -- hearing the f.b.i. arrested roger stone at is home. caller: currently with the f.d.a. and we -- we're just basically we are left out to hang. retroactive pay will be for the government workers. it won't be for the contractors. the other part, we're running this democracy right now like a playground. we're not treating this like the american people are aren't really affected. from credit scores to someone like me, i'm moving out of my home because of an eviction filing and i don't want to cause any more loss to my landlord so i have to move out and move forward and this is just ridiculous. i think everyone plays a part.

i don't think the president is just to blame. i think mitch mcconnell is to blame for the way the bills are not hitting the senate floor the way they are supposed to. i think democrats are to blame them not negotiating. it's ultimately hurting the american people. host: ok. all right. john's thoughts there. works for the -- has a contract with the federal government. virginia in pennsylvania. support the shutdown. hi, virginia. caller: hello. host: good morning. go ahead. share your comments with us. caller: are you speaking to virginia? host: i sure am and you are on the air. go ahead. donald he shutdown, trump, he specified that if he didn't get the funding for the wall he would have a shutdown. schumer and pelosi chose to have a shutdown.

pelosi calls the wall immoral. and there's nothing immoral bout protecting the rights and freedoms of the american citizens. he only thing moral is the way the -- immoral is the way the democrat party is trying to remove donald trump from office because they did not win the election. and that is really pathetic. talking about tantrums, they've had a tantrum ever since he was elected. and they should really hang their heads in shame because what they're doing to this country is disgusting. host: ok, virginia. the previous caller saying he blames all of the parties involved in these talks. "the hill" newspaper has this headline. "g.o.p. senators read the vice president the right act before

the shutdown votes." yesterday, the vice president coming to capitol hill to meet behind closed doors with his fellow republicans for their annual legislative strategy session, and "the hill" reports freshman g.o.p. senators read the vice president the riot act saying the partial shutdown needs to end soon. republican senators, including mitch mcconnell, told the vice president that it is not a smart strategy and hopes to send a clear message to the president. lawmakers ventured their irritation to pence shortly before six g.o.p. senators defected to vote for a democratic-backed bill that would open the government without funding trump's proposed border wall. one g.o.p. senator said lawmakers told pence the shutdown needs to come to an end. this is not a strategy that works and we should never have had a shutdown in the first place. pence told them the president is interested in striking a deal. michelle in d.c., a federal worker.

ichelle, what do you do? excuse me. let's go to katherine in ohio who opposes the shutdown. hi, katherine. caller: hi. boy, thanks for "washington journal." you guys are giving people an opportunity, especially federal workers, to talk about what's really happening for them. and what's amazing to me about the callers is that most americans are pretty damn reasonable about the wall, secure our border. it's our reps who are having the problem really getting down and making a compromise and the distance between trump and pelosi is especially absurd when you got trump saying $5.7 billion and you have pelosi saying, no, no, no. oh, i'll give you a dollar. and in regard to pelosi, i'm a dem, and in regard to pelosi calling the wall immoral, that woman is so immoral. in 2006, many of us have worked our butts off to fill the house

and senate with dems to watch the bush administration, part of the reason we worked so hard is to see the bush administration cover the w.m.d. lies. pelosi took something off the table for something as critical of hundreds of thousands of iraqi people getting killed and injured. i know most americans don't care about this but some do. in 2008 she and obama said next chapter, turn the page. well, we wanted to watch the bush administration be held accountable. we thought there would be justice. pelosi was immoral. she obstructed justice and i have no respect for her whatsoever. host: all right. we have to leave the conversation there. that was katherine in ohio. that does it for today's "washington journal." thank you, all, for watching and participating. enjoy the rest of your friday and your weekend. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> today is day 35 of the government the government shutdown. the longest shutdown in u.s. history. the senate yesterday considered two measures to reopen the government. one that included funding for a border wall and one that did not. both measures failed to get enough votes to move forward. as the debate over the government shutdown continues, watch the story unfold on c-span. new york has five new members in its congressional delegation. all of whom are democrats. representative alexandria ocasio-cortez joins the house as the youngest member of congress

at age 29. she defeated long-time representative and then chair of the house democratic caucus, joe crowley, in a primary election last summer. voters in new york's 22nd district elected anthony brindisi to congress. he previously served seven years in the new york state assembly. before that, he was an attorney in private practice. representative antonio delgado was an attorney prior to his election to congress. but he also had a brief career as a rapper, releasing one album a couple of years after his graduation from harvard law school. max rose was elected to represent the 11th district, which includes staten island and southern brooklyn. he previously served in the u.s. army. including leading a platoon in afghanistan where he was wounded by an i.e.d., earning a purple heart and bronze star. representative joseph morelle joined the house a few weeks ahead of his classmates, after winning both a seat in the 116th

congress and an election to fill the seat of late congresswoman louise slaughter for the remaining weeks of the 115th congress. congressman morelle had previously served in the new york state assembly since 1991, including five years as majority leader. new congress, new leaders. watch it all on c-span. >> the u.s. conference of mayors is meeting in washington this week and coming up later today, a conversation among mayors on hate crimes. that's at 11:45 eastern live here on c-span. right now, some of the u.s. conference of mayors meeting yesterday. we'll hear from the mayors of san francisco and philadelphia about housi