details of the senate chamber, its hallways, private workspaces , and elaborate historic meeting rooms. this keepsake is filled with beautiful color photos of the art and architecture that pervade the senate space and offers lots of information about the senate's rich history. to order your high-quality paperback copy for just 1895 plus shipping, visit c-span.org/senate book. back paul glastris, editor in chief of the washington monthly. . thank you for being with us your cover story -- monthly. thank you for being with us. your cover story, looking at the 2016 election where hillary clinton did well and did poorly. what did we learn? guest: the democrats have a problem in that their voters in 2016 and 2018, democrats got more votes than republicans.

9 million more for u.s. senate in 2018. yet they lost two seats in the senate. a 2016, hillary clinton got 3 million more votes than donald trump yet lost the white house. the problem is obvious to anyone who looks at the map. democrats are clustered in a handful of coastal states, overrepresented in those states thin on the-- too ground in states like ohio and mississippi. host: donald trump winning the electoral vote. the states, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and iowa considered key to the democrats and you can see the coastal states, the upper midwest and out west, this is a by county breakdown and you can with theea of read blue along the coast.

-- you can see the sea of red with the blue along the coast. guest: democrats have been trying to figure out how they can win given this geographic spread. here is hope that they can do better in the southwest, the south, georgia and texas. candidates performed pretty well in 2018. we are offering a different idea which is how about democrats get behind rebuilding the economies and thatflyover states the key to doing so is -- there arehat many things that led to the decline of middle america. that that -- the biggest thing that happened was 40 years ago. changedral government policy when it comes to

competition and antitrust. prior to 1980, the u.s. had lots of policy in place to make sure that every part of the country could compete. around 1978, first with jimmy carter and then ronald reagan, the federal government decided to get those policies. policies.se what we have seen is a new geographic inequality. incomes between my hometown and think -- in st. louis and new york city were coming closer and closer together. country true all of our country.er the most of the country is now falling behind a couple metro states and cities. if the democrats want to solve their geographic problem, both

parties need to get behind solving the geographic inequality problem. host: if you look at the traditional base of the democratic party going back to franklin roosevelt and john kennedy, winning the farm belt, what changed? what happened? guest: that is a very good question. a lot has happened since democrats did well among middle west farmers. a lot of middle west farmers are longtime republicans as i learned, but i think that the fallen behindve timeetro areas for a long and in their desperation, democrats did not seem to be providing answers to their problems.

republicans offered answers to their problems. you can presume those answers were right or wrong, but they did provide answers. what we found is that what farmers respond to is not talk or tariffs broadband , but they tend to give donald trump a pass on those because they think the tariffs are temporary. they feel what is really constraining their income in raising costs are these agribusiness monopolies that raise the price of their inputs and reduce the price other outputs -- report -- reduce the price of their outputs. -- who ran in iowa against

stephen king came within three points of beating king, largely based on an argument on pushing back against agribusinesses. i think the democrats have a shot at reversing some of the decline in their support from the farm belt by adopting this sort of policy. host: one of the sidebar pieces, how to close the rule gap. our guest is paul glastris, editor in chief at the washington monthly. if you live in rural america, (202)-748-8000. for all others, (202)-748-8001. tweet or joins a in on the conversation on facebook. looking ahead to 2020, you may have a record number of democrats running for the presidency. do you sense that this message will get to these candidates?

guest: i think it already has. cory booker has given some very strong speeches on anti-trusts. elizabeth warren was the first major democrat to get behind this issue. decides to getr into this race, she is behind the big antitrust move. host: a democratic senator from ohio is on a tour through iowa. busy resonating among rural americans -- is he resonating among rural americans? guest: i believe he is. he is kind of a straight arrow midwest guy. when he sits down with farmers, they are telling him sort of what we reported in our magazine , which is you want -- if you want to reach farmers, talk about industry concentration.

host: let's get to some phone calls. blake is joining us from maryland. caller: how are you doing? host: fine. caller: i listened to the north and comments. i was surprised that nobody calling in nor the moderator -- software was called to be used and it looks like you should try to look at the facts before deciding something as important as whether a governor should beat each round. host: -- be de-throned. host: thank you for the call. guest: it does not look good for the governor. there is a groundswell of support for him to go. democrats have a pretty strong within a governor waiting in the wings. i don't know the truth of the accusations, but i can't imagine he survives. host: the conflicting stories,

for saying he was in the pictures and then coming out and saying he is not. northam was a republican with george w. bush and he ran admitting that and saying he changed his views. if he also had said what i had racial views that i am not proud of that are in the past and i have changed, he might be in a better position, but that is not how he ran. host: our guest is paul glastris, editor in chief of the washington monthly. hisrod brown who is on dignity for jobs tour. there is what he had to say. [video clip] democratic activists and pundits act like our party has to choose between advocating for strong progressive values that

excite our base, which we do, or talking to working-class voters about their lives. for us it is not either or. you governed by speaking to progressive values and fighting for workers. you campaign that way and you win that way. that is why we do both. guest: it is not a great challenge for the democrats to issues ofween groups.ting different aret of culture issues lunch bucket economic issues, and talking specifically about the economy and working americans. i think sherrod brown is absolutely right. if democrats don't do both, i don't see them winning the numbers they need. host: a tale of blue cities.

democrats may lose the political map for generations. ,n terms of the electoral map we saw with george bush and in 2016, we saw the last two double can presidents when the pop -- lose the popular vote but when the election. guest: that's right. -- if you look at the states that democrats need to do well in and have been doing -- that they, you can explain the failure in 2016 and some of the failures of 2018 by looking at the growth of metro areas. hasome town of st. louis had very modest growth at best

over the last 30 years. why? inn i went away to college 1977, st. louis had 22 fortune 500 companies. today, it has nine. it is going to go down to eight wind express trips gets bought. when you strip away those kinds of corporate mergers, of course it hurts the city. you look around the midwest and the upper midwest and you see cincinnatis and losing their companies and where is us companies moving? the big cities on the coast like new york and seattle. that,wer that comes with you look at the takeover of banks. there used to be quite a few more local and regional banks. the failure of a lot of these , even shrinking

of places like detroit, that has not -- that lack of significant growth in the metro areas has not made up for the decline in the rural areas. when hillary clinton ran in 2016, she did very well in metro cincinnati and st. louis and metro milwaukee, but she still lost. at the ratee grown of minneapolis or st. paul, hillary would have won wisconsin by 16,000 votes instead of losing it by 23,000 votes. the question is what can be done to help the medium-sized cities in the heartland grow better? is one of thee

cities being considered for the democratic convention in 2020. this article is available online on washington monthly. if the party cannot find policy leaders to boost growth rates and enhance the number of democratic voters in purple and red state metro areas, they will have a hard time ever overcoming the republic -- republican geographic advantage, yet almost no one on the left talks as if they understand this reality. alan is joining us from north carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. a couple points i would like to address if possible. i think the gentleman brings up some interesting points. ofever participated in terms

the farming area. i think that should be in the points of view you said, i think that is interesting. the other thing i think democrats can win on is this. whenever they compete against any of their opposition, they simply need to tell the truth. tell the truth about what is going on. tell the truth about the cause and effect of policies that has been limited. -- that has been implemented. tell the truth about donald trump, tell the things he has done that are lies. show the american people you are areing the truth and if you going to tell the truth about that youou make sure

cover yourself. people have to not only seed, but you have to show them -- not only see, but you have to show them. host: let's move on. guest: i am for the truth. i don't disagree with anything he said. i do think democrats if they hope to win in the numbers they need, they need to have more than responses to donald trump. the need to have responses to the actual problems that people in the country have. the advantage of this competition policy i am talking how do more places compete in the way they used to be able to? it not only solves a political

problem for the democrats but it's always a fundamental for least attempts to solve it fundamental economic problem of the country. host: we welcome our listeners on c-span radio and sirius xm. good afternoon to our viewers in great britain on the bbc channel. we come out of st. louis, next, paul. caller: i appreciate being able to get through. there are several topics i would like to talk about. quality.em is the -- one of them is the quality -- equality. donald trump is trying to clean the swamp and that means getting non-fearing people that want to have sex changes

and have all of this hatred and fighting going on. .ou can't change our history the things in the past, they are what they are. those who blames others for their problems and everyone has problems and blames things on other people because they are like children. they have not learned to grow. if you blame others for your problem, you have not begun to understand. if you don't blame anybody for your problems, you have found the answers to life. there are several other points. one of them is giving your personal views. these newscasters. i don't see you doing it. they all give their own personal views. they are not sticking to the issues, what has been done and what is being -- what action is orng taken by candidates

people in the superior positions. another thing is stop trying to change people. are going to side 70% of the time with their own races. they are not going to side with the white race. the country started with george washington and the world is owned by a select few. host: we will jump in and get a response. guest: not really. host: let's code to ryan from iowa -- let's go to ryan from iowa. i am in the fourth congressional district which is unfortunately represented by steve king. as your guest mentioned earlier, from my experience, the issues --t resonated more with

rather than antitrust, in my hisrience, is more of liberal basis and honestly the unpopularity of steve king in , especially with the national attention he has been getting recently. i voted for amy klobuchar, and i think her candidacy would be really good. -- she just wasn't that popular and trump had the anti-establishment bases that was pretty popular amongst republicans. host: thank you for the call.

let me take his point and turn it into a question. when bill clinton became the democratic nominee, the first thing he did was hop on a bus and go through rural pennsylvania, ohio, indiana and the upper midwest. bill clinton grew up in rural arkansas. my question is why did the hillary clinton camp -- why didn't the hillary clinton campaign take that message in 2016? guest: the greatest question of the 2016 race is how hillary clinton who, herself ran very strongly in rural upstate new york. she watched her husband for him, shepaigned with knows is any -- she knows as well as anyone in politics, the importance of winning small towns, rural areas, and how to do it. the fact that she didn't, there have been books written about this. i think there were some issues

within the campaign. they were looking at their data. host: their analytics. guest: i think that is one of the great lost opportunities in politics in my lifetime. gary is joining us from georgia. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: i think everybody -- host: gary? are you still with us? i will try one more time. we lost you. let's go to john, from florida. good morning. joan, i apologize. i was wondering which

college this governor in virginia had gone to. when they had school yearbooks, there are people that check the book and make sure everything is ok. why did that school for that college let that be in the book? guest: good question. host: when you see this headline for the washington post, north am resisting calls for his northam resisting calls for his resignation. what will happen next from your perspective? guest: we will see if governor northam resigns. if he doesn't, it will be a very bitter fight. my guess is he will resign. there is not any support, i am sure the risen among his friends and family and closest colleagues, telling him to fight. it may be he is not in one of these photos. i am not sure that it matters. that theymocrats know

can't have some but he like that theyng a major state, but have a very strong replacement in the lieutenant governor who is freshfaced, dynamic and it would be different if the lieutenant governor was republican. host: and of course justin fairfax is -- guest: that's right. host: let's go to carl from pennsylvania. glastris,is paul editor in chief of the washington monthly. caller: good morning. it is funny about this whole issue. i remember back early when obama and people in the democratic

party viewed rural america as bitter clingers. the problem i have with democrats, not only are they not interested in addressing the issues that might be important to us in rural areas, but when we try to talk about the issues that are interesting to us, we are branded as racist and all the rest of it. now as rural people are struggling, we are told how we have privilege and all kinds of this silliness that comes out of the academic community. i see the democrats offering little more than identity politics. i see the democrats, it seems they are more concerned about illegal immigrants than the citizens of this country. host: we will get a response. fair: i don't think it is to say they have not offered ideas for rural america. there is a big chunk of her role america that does not have

high-speed broadband and you can't really be part of the modern economy without it. think about what a disadvantage that puts those places in. addictionabout opioid and have put forth some big numbers in terms of dollars they are willing to put into rehab and other things. i think they have not gotten at of the of the -- the nub economic problem of role america -- of rural america. democrats should or even could give up on their beliefs on racial justice, on criminal justice reform, immigration. these are core democratic principles and both -- democratic principles and there are people in both rural and urban america who do not agree with that.

some rural americans will accept it. they will think even if they like the idea, they will not vote democrat but i think a lot will. democrats don't need to win rural votes, they need to go from 30% to 40%. date -- they do that and it is game over for the republican party. how the democrats solve their geography problem and more from you and your colleague. regional equality was cresting and the government changed course, the process began under jimmy carter but regional inequality really took off in the 1980's when both the supreme thet and ronald reagan's part of justice narrow the definition of what was enforceable under antitrust laws which began in enormous number of corporate mergers -- began an enormous number of corporate

mergers. joe in washington, thank you for waiting. caller: good morning. where do i begin? i am going to start by saying that i agree with the previous callers from missouri and pennsylvania. i think they hit the nail on the head. the rural areas are going to stay red. this is the main reason. we do not agree with democratic values. it is like when california came up to my state and tried to change the values we have in my community. we rejected it. we do not want gun control, we do not want abortion, we want things -- we are governed by laws, that is the way we want to be governed. we are a republic and that is where i think he is missing.

we don't want democratic values. before i hang up, go patriots. [laughter] host: the first to call on that. i was waiting for that. guest: we disagree on the super bowl, but i actually agree with him. i think he is saying what i was saying before. there are a lot of rural voters who just don't like democrats. they don't like their ideas, their values. democrats are not going to win those votes. there are millions of rural voters who voted for barack obama twice and then voted for donald trump. there are millions of rural voters who are on the fence. democrats don't have to win all of the role votes, they need to win -- rural votes, they need to win a bigger percentage. there are polls about a lot of the white working class in certain areas, small towns, agreeing with the democrats on

issues like taxation and the environment, but they have not heard from democrats, the democrats have not articulated a message that wins the vote. host: amazon does a nationwide search looking at all types of possibilities. columbus, national, denver. they end up going to new york and just outside of washington, d.c. which surprised a lot of people. they are basically going to two areas that don't need the economic growth as opposed to other areas that would have welcomed it. guest: they are going to two areas or the cost of housing is astronomical, the traffic is terrible. there were some very good proposals from a lot of cities. atlanta, detroit, columbus. these would have been very strong contenders. cities that are more middle of the country. amazon is in the movement of goods business. you would think they would want to be in the middle.

who knows why they did what they did. the way monopoly capitalism works is monopolists corner markets and cities. where can jeff bezos best protect his investment in his monopoly? who has the power to break up his monopoly? two how is -- who has the power to protect his monopoly? washington, d.c. has that power. the way, he owns a home here and a major newspaper. also in new york. one could speculate it was in the cards to move there all the time and this whole thing was kind of silly. host: we go to clarksburg, west virginia. frank, good morning. caller: good morning. i am a little bit nervous. i don't understand it.

live in a poor state, one of the poorest states in the united states. we just lost 11,000 people. we have been losing people in the population the last six years. why i don't understand is do people vote against themselves? in their own interests? with as to me that little bit of knowledge, you understand who is more likely to be an assistance to you in your daily life. if you check and see exactly what they stand for, instead of just letting things go and going to vote the way you were told to vote. there is the problem. if you take time to learn your own interests and how you are

republican.we vote you explain that to me. have a good day. host: thank you for the call. that wasn't so bad, no need to be nervous. caller: thank you. guest: i feel for the gentleman. which state that he said he was from? host: west virginia. guest: a tough state. they take it on the chin again and again. people vote against their economic interests all the time. it is a free country. wealthy liberals vote for democrats who promise to raise their taxes. they don't do it for personal gain. they know they're going to lose. they do it because they think the higher taxes will go to programs that support others who need it and strengthen the company -- strengthen the country. there is nothing wrong with voting against your particular

personal economic interests if you think it is going to lead to a stronger economy for everyone or a greater country. we have not had policies for a lot of the states that did that. and hisul glastris cover story, how the democrats solve their geograp c-span's washington journal live every day with the news and policy issues that impact you. weing up monday morning, talk about the week ahead in washington with politico white house correspondent anita kumar and a bloomberg news reporter. andn, a discussion on states' teacher pay. be sure to watch washington journal live at 7:00 eastern monday morning. join the discussion.

despite demands for his resignation over a racially charged photograph in in 1984 yearbook, virginia governor ralph northam says he will not step down. among those calling for his resignation, virginia democrats, senators mark warner and tim kaine. in a prepared statement he said -- after we watched the press conference today, we called governor northam to tell them that we no longer believe he can effectively serve as governor and that he must resign. now more reaction from the sunday news shows. we will hear from other virginia democrats starting with former governor terry mcauliffe. >> we have to move on. you cannot be the moral leader. we are now in crossover in virginia where legislation goes from the house and senate back and forth. bills, you have to work as one