at 9:00, prime minister's questions from the house of commons. journalat, a washington segment announcer: this week on q&a, helen andrews discusses her first things magazine essay on online shaming, called "shame storm. " of 2019, youuary wrote for first things magazine something called "shame storm." what is it?

ms. andrews: i noticed that every week someone was being subjected to social media condemnation. they found themselves in the middle of a shame tornado over this behavior genuine or perceived. ons were pile on's -- bigger than they had ever been in humans history because of the internet and this was a massive social phenomenon that was creating casualties left and right. a lot of people are worried about this effect that is having on victims and the rest of us and the voyeuristic appetite it is creating. i have my own particular perspective on this phenomena because back in 2010 the same sort of thing happened to me. this was very early on in the

phenomenon of people and things going viral. so i paid very close attention to this. brian: why did you decide to tell your own story, which caused you so much trouble before? ms. andrews: it was a tough decision to write this because it brought back what was a tremendous experience in my life. but the event was a headline i read in the new york times about a man who had committed suicide in a parked car in west village who had not been found for seven days. this man hadd that butd for jeffrey corbis jeffrey corbis had only existed for one year. worstoor fellow had, the

moment of his life was he threw a sandwich at a server who gave him the wrong sandwich at mcdonald's. and i turned out she was pregnant and all these things. but it was at the top of the for his name. he could not get a job. employers did not want to hire a guy who threw sandwiches at pregnant servers. a fresh start by legally changing his name to jeffrey corbis and it did not work out. so the tragedy of that man reminded me that if someone can shine a light on this new phenomenon of shame storming and condemn it, it might do some good. in a: i foresaw this story david brooks column in the new york times. he gives up something called the sydni awards every year.

part one and part two. these are people who write long articles in newspapers and magazines. and he wrote about you. he gave you the first sydni award this season, in december this season, in december. to do know it was coming? >> i had no idea. i did not know my story would be as well received as it was. i got a lot of positive feedback, even before it was highlighted in the award. i got emails from people. said they had been through this themselves. subjected tod been this me too movement who had lost their jobs over allegations of his behavior. they say it ruined their lives so thank you for writing this

and telling a little bit about what it is like from the inside. brian: c-span had a little bit to do with this, which, it is complicated and i warned our audience to listen carefully on how it works. let me start with a couple things. are you doing today? ms. andrews: i am the managing editor at the washington examiner weekly magazine. brian: and what is that? time, itws: for a long had been a great newspaper, one of the best places for coverage of the hill and white house and it has had a magazine supplement to that but only released here in the district. as of january 1, the washington ,xaminer is taking its magazine which has existed for 70 years as an adjunct and taking it national. -- for so many years as an adjunct and taking it national. brian: it is fair to say the

examiner magazine replace the weekly standard? i know there is controversy. the same man owns both. ms. andrews: that is above my pay grade. brian: you are from what part of the united states? -- andrews: rally coat raleigh, north carolina. i went to yale. studies was religious and i did my thesis on oscar myde but i spent most of time in the yale political union. i graduated in 2008. i came to washington right away. i started a blog as a senior in college and had gotten the attention of some editors. iom the moment i graduated

went from internship to internship and eventually wound up at in this -- as an associate editor at national review. brian: what is first things magazine? is a premierit magazine about religion and culture. it has a little bit of a catholic heritage. how did you get into your interest in religion and catholicism? were you born catholic? ms. andrews: i come from a catholic family but was not raised catholic. future generation -- a few generations back is catholic and i was raised in the church of npr. parkthe research triangle and i developed an interest in theology in college and ended up making it my major.

i studied oscar wilde and his catholic conversion. brian: you are also a robert novak fellow. is this something you did earlier? ms. andrews: once you are a fellow, you are in the alumni family for life. to the unitedk states after living for most of a decade in sydney, australia. in 2017. my plane landed i won thet i had one -- award that allows journalists to take a year off from their day job and work in a book. brian: did you write a book? ms. andrews: i did. we are working on getting it published. ands about the baby boomers terribleration and the

things they have done to america and western civilization. brian: and you are a mom lineal -- millennial? ms. andrews: yes. born in 1986. i was approached by harpercollins about contributing an essay to an anthology of essays by young conservatives oud to be right, voices of the next conservative generation." so i contributed my essay that anthology and as part of the promotion for the anthology once it was released they had some book reviews. i was one of the contributors and another was my ex-boyfriend.

brian: so you are both sitting there at the table. first let me introduce our then we to todd and will come back and you can explain who he is. of what helenot says is designed to increase suffering. ms. andrews: i am catholic. [laughter] >> that might explain it. but you start connecting the and you realize she is almost always defending something that most of us would find horrific. brian: when he started to talk fast way -- talk this way, what was your reaction? ms. andrews: i was in shock. i had no idea what was coming. we had been chatting amiably for

30 minutes in the green room before the panel started so as far as i knew we were on excellent terms. this was during the q&a after everyone had delivered remarks. suddenly out of nowhere, he ranthes into a four-minute about how evil i am. brian: we have the rest of the clip, which we will show in a second. how long did you date? ms. andrews: a few years. brian: what is the difference in your ages? ms. andrews: he is a little older. he has been in new york for decades. brian: subsequent to this, you married. you married an australian? ms. andrews: yes. in 2012 we got married. brian: and you left town after this incident that went viral. youtubed brooks said on the video had half a million

people watch it within 48 hours. ms. andrews: it was featured on the nightly news ndc and fox news and all the cable shows. d.c. and fox news and all the cable shows. brian: let's watch the continuation of what todd seavey had to say about you. >> i should probably confess helen and i dated for two years so we have sparred about many things. you might come as a surprise to some of you that we dated for two years, not because of the but becauseferences there are probably also people in this room who also dated helen during those two years. gamesmanship included coldly saying that she would play matchmaker and then seduce the man to hurt the

woman, which when you think about it, is creepy and disturbing. five months later, she believed -- she made good on this disturbing promise and i doubt anyone who knows me thinks i am making this up. i keep wondering, if you strip away the things you do not like which include tradition, what is it you do not want people to do to you and what sort of people are beyond the pale when you have encouraged a world of brawling and fighting and turning on each other in a sadomasochistic way? i think she has the right to respond on this. ? ms. andrews: off the top of my head, what do i think is out of bounds? i don't know, spilling your heart out on c-span? brian: obviously goldberg got a

little nervous there and said, ok. was there tension in the room when this happened? ms. andrews: [laughter] you could say that. you could say there was. i think one of the reasons todd was able to keep going is because no one knew what to do. everyone was just sort of shocked and astonished. brian: what did you say to him after the panel was over? ms. andrews: we did not say much but i thought it was really important to look him in the eye and shake his hand and say, good to see you. brian: the point of this is that you wrote your essay about this event. what happened after it aired? ms. andrews: well, it got a ton of coverage and went viral. everybody i knew saw it. everyone at my workplace saw it. i was walking on the street with my parents and people would stop

and point and say, you are the c-span girl. especially if you were living in new york were visiting d.c., the people who saw that video lived in those two towns so there was a lot of pointing and snickering. brian: what happened to your life after this? a little over a year after that i decided i wanted to move on from my job and i found a new one. that is when it first hit me that this really was at the top of my google search and always would be. everyone i was sending a resume to who i was hoping would bring me in for a job interview would see this video. so i did not get as many callbacks as i was expecting. brian: to prove your point, we googled you today, even though your name has changed and you can see it, right here is the video and your name is helen

andrews now. my maiden name was much more distinctive. helen rittelmeyer on the planet. i fell in love with an australian but i also wanted to get away from the story. as i discovered moving to the other side of the world does not really solve the problem in the age of the internet. i got a job as a -- at a think tank and when i released my first report, the video came up and people linked to it and said, i do not care what this person has to say. brian: your piece is called "shame storm." did you feel shamed by this or

did todd seavey feel shamed by this? ms. andrews: certainly a lot of embarrassment. one thing i have noticed watching more and more of these cycles, when someone becomes the worst person on the internet for noty is that it almost does matter to the dynamic whether they have done something genuinely evil or just something silly like throwing a synergetic mcdonald's person or whatever it is. everyone piles on the same way. september 7, two thousand 2009,there is a blog -- there is a block from todd seavey. this happened in 2010. he writes, one year ago this month, helen came to a project

gathering i have posted for three years. for the first time i went on to date someone i met there. for 10 months, she was mentioned so many times on this blog that she deserves a final summation. what is this? this is new in my lifetime where it is all being spilled out on a blog. how often did he write about you? ms. andrews: it's funny. when i first started dating todd one of the things i learned about him was that he had appeared in one of his ex-girlfriend's memoirs. she was someone who had been in androck 'n' roll journalist converted to catholicism and she wrote about the conversion. she devoted a chapter to her experience dating todd because he is an aggressive atheist and

this was during her conversion so it was about that dynamic. one of the stories that is on the record in the chapter is that when they broke up, todd sent a mass email to everyone he my girlfriend has just broken up with me but i think we are really good together. if anyone has advice on how to win her back, please let me know. " so that was like foreshadowing. brian: how often did he write about you in his blog? ms. andrews: often. this is a guy who writes about his whole life, the way a lot of people do these days. brian: there is a headline from the city paper of washington from 2010, right after this happened. sadisticcretly

,onservative heartbreaker helen some thoughts on your penance." they start off by saying it was one of the most captivating moments in history. i do not need to go on with this. when things started to happen, what happened with you with this publicity? ms. andrews: i remember when that blog post came out. the author approached me for a quote to see if she could get my reaction and i got a lot of requests for media and to talk to reporters after this. i was not a public person at the time and i had no experience giving interviews to journalists and i was feeling overwhelmed and humiliated so i did not answer their emails. but they rode up the blog post without comments from me. brian: what did todd say about

his diatribe? he was obviously on the attack. in his defense, everything he said, he believed was true. the particular story he is a leading to about -- alluding to about matchmaking, the facts were distorted from his perspective. so that is an accurate but from his point of view, that is what he thought. justine story the you write about? ms. andrews: i consider that the very first inaugurating event in our new era of twitter shame storms. london whor exec in had fewer than 200 twitter followers. a normal person, a normal job, not a public figure.

she was about to get on a plane for christmas vacation to cape town to visit relatives and she " going to south africa. hope i don't get aids. just kidding. i'm white." jokeaid that she used this out racism.o point but a reporter at gawker saw the tweet and decided to do a post about it. within a few hours, millions and millions of people had followed it on twitter and quoted saying it was horrible. and she was on a plane and had no access to the internet. -- the hashtag

yetme #has justine landed ? justine now apologizing after this offensive tweet went viral. statement, she tells abc news words cannot express how sorry i am and how necessary it is for me to apologize to the people of south africa. she was fired saturday from her top pa -- pr job where she wrapped some of the biggest names online like the daily beast and match.com. fastestis one of the crash and burn's i have ever seen. -- crash and burns i have

ever seen. brian: where were you when this happened? ms. andrews: i was in new south wales and i was in a car and i had twitter on my phone and i saw this story. i have to admit, for the first half-hour, i was joining everybody else. has she landed? i want to follow this. this is gripping. it took a while for it to sink in that what was happening to her is similar to what happened to me and maybe the moral thing to do is to not join in the on ofof this -- the pile this innocent bystander. brian: what you think about abc firing her? ms. andrews: i think that needs most to change. it happens most of the time that whoever finds themselves the subject of an online shame storm

loses their job and it is hardly ever because their boss says i think your misbehavior is genuinely offensive and might company needs to take a stand, or a genuinely think you will be a threat to your coworkers because of what you have done. 90% of the time, the employer says, sorry, i think you are great but i have to let you go so my phone will stop ringing. i have to cave to the mob because they will keep clamoring for your head. i would really like in the future for employers to show more backbone and say, this person is a good employee and this has no effect on their job performance. brian: i found online that she had been rehired recently. a lot of years in between. was 2013. along the way, you must've

decided to become a journalist. ms. andrews: i was a journalist then. brian: but you are running a magazine now. from north carolina to yale to washington dc, why did you decide to be in journalism instead of religion? ms. andrews: the religious studies major was just a major. the yale political union was my undergrad career. we bring a guest speaker on and have formal debates according to ,oberts rules of order parliamentary style stuff. all matters of political interest but some philosophical debates. brian: how much time did you spend on the yale political union? ms. andrews: all the time i was

not asleep. i was the speaker, the one with the gavel. brian: how did you get into that? and the impact of these experiences for people in college make a difference. ms. andrews: absolutely. you asked when i decided to go into journalism. i just drifted into it. i mentioned earlier i started a little blog on wordpress way back in the day when people have blogs. through that i started writing for magazines and eventually that turned into a career. experience was your living in australia and what impact did that have on your thinking about your politics, the media, the internet? on the one hand, it

may be appreciate the internet more because even though i was on the other cited the world, i continued -- the other side of the world, i continue to freelance. it was great to be able to keep up with friends and to keep writing, which would not have been possible if i had to use airmail back-and-forth with editors. he gave me appreciation of the dark side of the internet's global scope. because i eventually became a regular talking head on political panel shows. every time i went on, at least one person on twitter would find the old c-span video and throw it up in my twitter engines. mentions.twitter brian: what was your

-- how do you find your conservatism? ms. andrews: i am a strong social conservative but also a fiscal conservative. all varieties of conservatism i consider to be allies. brian: how is alan bloom connected to you? ms. andrews: earlier in that spokeniscussion, i had disparagingly about alan loom and the point i was making -- alan bloom and the point i was making his he presented himself as a great books conservative and made a case that everyone should read books. for me, i think the reason to read good books is so you have something more interesting to

talk about then why it is good to read good books. by harping on the basic book het reading books is good, stalled the cultural conversation at a preliminary stage and was not terribly helpful or interesting. brian: did you ever meet him? ms. andrews: he died before i came to college. long timewas here a ago on the show. ms. andrews: and he is a very engaging writer. brian: what is the difference between a conservative and a libertarian,? libertarians do not always sign on to the social conservative agenda. brian: your thesis and who you studied most at yale was oscar

wilde. you talked about his catholicism. did he practice it? ms. andrews: his was a death bed conversion and the subject of my thesis was looking at his earlier career and finding foreshadowing of the ultimate decision he made to join the church. brian: what else did you learn about him when you spent so much time? ms. andrews: it was a year-long project and i had a long-standing interest in him and the movement called decadence, of which he was a part. it was a literary movement in england. the thing i found most is they were all aggressively frivolous young men. the philosophy of life was nothing matters and it is not important to be moral and we should all lead splendid,

beautiful lives. almost all of them, as they grew older, had some moment of crisis when they realized that was just a really silly and superficial way to go about life. wilde, that was being at his trial and conviction. he spent two years in hard labor , and for someone who had never done a days work in his life, it was deeply traumatic. he had to confront deeper, more spiritual questions then he had given time to before. brian: why was he in prison? young, gay: he had a lover whose father was very opposed to his son being in a gay relationship, especially with someone as flamboyant as oscar wilde. so his father accused them of

being a gay couple. moment ofa classic libel, sued the man for and that led to a big trial, the trial of the century that was written about in all of the papers. he was convicted. brian: how long did he live? ms. andrews: after prison, a few years. prison broke him physically. he was not in a good condition when he got out. was thereo france and for a few years, a broken man traveling under a false name. did not outlive that for long. yourself acalled birkian.

what is that? of andrews: i am a follower edmund burke. -- the french revolution was something new when it arrived at the tail end of the 18th century and no one who lived in that time grasped how time in humana affairs would be except for edmund burke. he correctly perceived that it would be a bad thing. not a new dawn for liberty. a catastrophe. wasn't -- and was it? and how? ms. andrews: what is wrong with the french revolution?

guillotines. the subordination of all political affairs to raw, human reason. humans are imperfect and we are not equipped to think through everything rationally from a and the waym a to z the roof -- in the way the revolutionaries thought we could. edmund appreciated things like tradition. brian: you have studied a lot in the past and you lived in australia and you know what is going on in the u.s. right now. opinion of where the u.s. is now in history? ms. andrews: democracy has never been in more trouble. fan of oury, great current president. i like a lot of his policy decisions and i like the refreshing candor he has brought to our debate.

but there has been a denying that his election is an indication that something has gone wrong and there is a lot more decision that are government is prepared to handle. the intrusion of celebrity into the world of politics is a big celebrityn, because is intrinsically false. it is actually one of the reasons why the shame storm phenomenon bothers me so much. when you are in the middle of it, you really realize just how much the version of events that gets presented in the press is a looking glass version. he read a story and you say you do not recognize the person. iss isn't right, this inaccurate. it is a distortion. once you have been through that, you realize all the other

stories you have been reading, where you read a profile and you think you know them, it is not true. you do not know the metal. so the celebrity lens is distorting and i think we should have areas of our culture that are exempt and immune from the intrusion of celebrity style culture. brian: as you know, there are a lot of people who cannot understand why conservatives or evangelicals or catholics, strong religious people, would like this man. what do you say to that? explain how that works out in your and head. , the of the media washington post has made a career out of showing how many times he has allegedly lied. cnn and msnbc have gone after him on a daily basis. there is a great deal of split in our media.

you run a conservative magazine. tell us why you like this guy. ms. andrews: i think the number one reason that covers a lot of other bad stuff is that he took some policy issues that the republican establishment, their base was in one place on immigration and trade and and the republican establishment was way over somewhere else and they ignored what the people who were voting for them wanted them to be doing. trump was the first guy to come along and say, yeah, i think we should have a border and close it and not have as many soldiers in the middle east. maybe our trade policy should not be dogmatically free trade in all instances. fault of the

republican establishment for leaving that huge vacuum open for someone like trump to come in and fill but you cannot blame him for doing so. you almost have to thank him, especially if you are on his side, like me. brian: when did you first say you liked him and he was your guy? ms. andrews: when he got the nomination. brian: did you like him during the primary? ms. andrews: yes. as an immigration hawk from way back, he is somebody i had my eye on. brian: let's go back to your first things. i am sure people can get this essay online. when did you marry and was it before you went to australia? ms. andrews: over in australia. i met him here. i have lived in australia for five years. brian: why did you move back?

ms. andrews: i was homesick. and if your business is conservative journalism commit is hard to make a living in australia because they only have one conservative magazine. there is not the same infrastructure you have in a place like d.c.. brian: one conservative magazine for the whole country? ms. andrews: yes. brian: what about television and radio? ms. andrews: they have sky news, but not a lot in the way of magazines or journalists. brian: who is moira dunnigan? ms. andrews: she is a brooklyn-based journalist who decided during the heyday of the me too movement to create a shared google spreadsheet in the google cloud. the purpose was for women

working in journalism or media to be able to post anonymous accusations against their male coworkers and colleagues of sexual misbehavior. so they would put the name of the guy and say what he did. he asked me back to his hotel room after a night of drinks, or whatever it was. no names attached. thenthe accusation and everyone who had a link could see it. she created that document. brian: i have the list. name70 men were listed by and what they had supposedly done wrong. what was your reaction? what did you think of that idea? ms. andrews: i do not believe in anonymous accusations. i have heard a lot of other women who work in media defend theenemy enemy -- defend

anonymity. and they have defended moira dunnigan. they say of course they need to be anonymous where they will otherwise be subjected to harassment and people will be mean to them on the internet. she has beene revealed as the creator of this, she has gotten a book deal, a regular common list -- columnist deal and she has been vaulted into celebrity. nothing bad has happened to her. quite the opposite. so considering that, the fear of harassment is no excuse for not fulfilling the basic duty of putting your name next to an accusation. especially when the accusations are career ending. brian: do you know how many career ending examples?

has it been public that they are career ending? theandrews: no and that is sad thing about these shame storms. we the consumers very rarely hear about the aftermath. so we do not always know when people get fired. but i heard after my essay was published from some of the people on the list and the stories i heard were not only did i lose my job, but now i cannot get another one. brian: let's go over this thing she did again. explain it. she published names? ms. andrews: the way a google spreadsheet works is anyone can go in and alter it and change it. and everyone sees the changes. brian: how did they know to go there? ms. andrews: the link was forwarded from person-to-person and went viral.

brian: and she did it anonymously? how did her name become public? ms. andrews: that's right. the spreadsheet became a huge phenomenon and everyone in town was talking about it. have you seen the list, have you gotten a link? was put in big bold letters at the top not to forward it to any men. secret,e this huge, buzzworthy item. harper's magazine decided it would be a good hook for their coverage of the broader me too movement and they assigned an essayist to write about it. katie, poked around and i think she figured out who had put it together. brian: to she think it was a good idea or not? essaydrews: the harper's

is skeptical of the me too movement. to my great astonishment, this attracted aatie's huge shame storm of its own on her. so that is the thing that makes me really skeptical of the motivations of the people that are behind the media and the me too movement. they are attacking not just people they believe have misbehaved in the workplace, but they are attacking the people who are dissenting from their line. brian: last january, myra donegan talked to the new york times video unit. here is what she had to say. it to name 70 use who had behaved badly toward

them, whether through sexual assault or rape or harassment. some women with colleagues and friends in my industry who i knew had stories. and they sent it to people who they knew had stories. by the time i was forced to take it down 12 hours later, there were more than 70 men named and 14 of them had their names highlighted in red which denotes more than one woman who were accusing that person of violent physical assault. brian: what happened to her after she was outed doing this? ms. andrews: yes. she got a book deal. brian: did she have a full-time job? ms. andrews: i don't know. i have not followed her. brian: i have a copy of the list. so even though it was scrubbed

from google, it is still there. ms. andrews: the internet is forever. anyone can find it. brian: what is your reaction to this? is there any solution to this situation? ms. andrews: it is not a new problem, having your name in the paper and being humiliated by a story. it has happened since the 19th century. but in every previous era until 10 years ago there was a time limit on it. your story would be in the paper and everyone would talk about it but eventually, thanks to the power of human memory, it would fade. people would forget. or you could move to a new town lookomeone is not going to in all of your old hometown papers to see if your name was mentioned. you could escape it. now, escape is no longer possible. dilemmank it is a real and i do not know if there is a

thanion for it other scrubbing google results brian:. years, a lot of people have quoted anonymous sources and people have been hurt. is there a difference? ms. andrews: yes. had gone to an editor and said, pick a name from the list, i want you to write an essay on this guy because i think he did this thing. the first thing the buzz feed editor would have said is, who is making this accusation, and can i talk to them to see if it can be substantiated? media and list says you cannot have the name of the person making the accusation. you cannot check it. that is basic editorial judgment. level ofith that

substantiation whenever make it past an editor but now, the editor gets around the need of a level of corroboration by not covering the accusation, but covering the spreadsheet. in your piece, you talk about jeffrey kohlberg, the editor of atlantic magazine and kevin williamson. can you explain that story? ms. andrews: kevin williamson was a colleague of mine at national review and had been hired as one of the very few conservative writers. he was going to be a house writer contribute a regular column. four days after he took the job, he was fired. not for anything he had done a someone but because

found an old audio recording where he had given his views on abortion, which he said is a form of murder and should carry the same punishment, which was mediaistorted in social into something about kevin williamson supports lynch justice for pregnant teenagers. the left-wing mob wanted him to be fired, and he was. brian: you call it a left-wing mob. didn't the same thing happened to the weekly standard where the bob did not like the fact that no crystals magazine was not pro trump, so all of a sudden there is no longer a magazine? ms. andrews: i think people who own things are allowed to do with them what they decide is best and i think that was an editorial adjustment on his top -- his part but i do not know

the story on what motivations people have. i think if jeffrey goldberg had said, i have come to the conclusion that you kevin williamson is a toxic person who believes people things and i do not voice in my magazine, that is editorial judgment i can respect. mob freightthat the amed theirnds -- fr demands is that he is a threat to his female coworkers because he believes abortion is a form of murder therefore he believes 25% of women who have had abortions deserve to be killed, therefore he wants to murder a quarter of the women in his office. so many feminists pretended to

believe in when really they were just trying to get him fired. brian: here is kevin williamson talking to glenn beck. >> a pretty good guy, even though he fired me. [laughter] he is a good editor and i admire him. he just made the wrong decision in this case. firedmpaign had me immediately and he did not take me seriously. he viewed the atlantic did not have the liberal imagination of the new york times and he was wrong. people were quite bent out of shape of the prospect of having to read my words at this venue instead of that venue. to kevinat happened williamson? ms. andrews: he is back at the national review.

coworker,only a great but gives a lot of energy to mentorship for all of the journalists in his office, men or women. brian: going back to your experience at yelp political union, were you able to bring in political- yale union, were you able to bring in speakers that once i did not agree with? how free were you to do what you wanted? ms. andrews: in my day, there was a lot of lively debate that was oriented toward issues. there was none of this shouting people down. andresult was a great mix sometimes surprises happened. we had a guest from the sierra club go up and give an impassioned case for conservation and he was astonished that i gave a seconding speech as an ally, and unlikely ally from the

conservative side wants to save trees. i think that atmosphere has changed, even at just the past five years. i went to a still young and i come back and i go to alumni events and the stories i hear are very different from the people in the yale political union now. brian: what worries do you have that now the you have talked about this video from 2010, you wrote about it and got a sydni award out of it and we are re-showing it, will have a future impact? ms. andrews: i worried it would bring a backup. that is one thing a couple people said to me. helen, are you sure you want to take this assignment? because your name is different and you can move on. but the very day i first set down to write the first page, my

husband happened to be at a conference and his lunch table got to talking about dad breakups of the can -- bad breakups of the conservative movement and one guy at his seee said, if you want to bad breakups, you have to see this. and he pulled out his phone and pulled up the c-span dio. so the idea that it was dead and gone and forgotten, as leo was, and it never really will be -- mostly it was, but it never really will be. brian: what does your husband do? ms. andrews: he is an advocate for taxpayers. we moved back to city so he could start and organization because australia does not have any really conservative think

tanks. so he founded the australian taxpayers alliance. brian: what happened to todd seavey and do you still talk to him? ms. andrews: he is a good guy and we reconciled. we are on good terms. he was one of the robert -- he was one of the first robert novak fellows. brian: has he married? ms. andrews: no. brian: what is he doing now? job atrews: he left his fox news because of the fallout from the video. so he suffered from that. now he makes a living as a ghostwriter and a writer. he has a book called libertarianism for beginners. when he went back to fox

news to work for little bit, did he have trouble getting in the building? ms. andrews: yes. it was years after he had left his position at fox and he was booked to talk about a halloween shows on ufos. completely benign. when he showed up in the lobby, security told him he was on a no admit list. presumably fallout from the c-span thing. brian: for those who want to read your essay, it is called ," and it is in a magazine called first things, which can we -- which can be found on the internet. our guest is helen andrews. thank you for joining us. ms. andrews: thank you. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute,

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