opinions of our great nation holds. where only together will we see a new horizon. >> you can watch every winning studentcam documentary online at studentcam.org. >> here is a look at our live coverage for wednesday. to house returns and on a clock a.m. eastern to finish work on net neutrality legislation that would require internet service providers to treat all internet traffic equally. that is live on c-span. on c-span2, the center -- senate is that to consider legislation. on c-span3, william barr appears before congress for the second time this week to testify on the justice department's 2020 budget request and doj's handling of the mueller report. coming up on today's "washington journal" a look at legislative

efforts to combat climate change with paul tonko of new york. those followed by council presin judge discussing border security operations and the trump administration's immigration policy. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ host: this is the "washington for april 10. attorney general william barr faces a second day of testimony as he is expected to talk the pending release of the eula report.-mueller to getevos expected questions about proposals not only to cut the education budget, but also to allow more money for charter schools. those topics up for discussion in our first hour of today, you can let us know your thoughts at 202-748-8001. 202-748-8000 for democrats.

and independents, you can call us at 202-748-8002. if you want to post your thoughts on social media, you are welcome to do so this morning. our twitter feed is @cspanwj and if you want to post on our facebook page, it is facebook.com/cspan. the attorney general appears on the senate side today, a hearing 3at will take place on c-span . he appeared before the house appropriations committee yesterday and one of the topics that came out was grand jury information. it was during the course of testimony, when it comes to the grand jury information, he does not plan -- the attorney general does not plan to seek a judge to have that information released. there were a lot of exchanges yesterday about the mueller report. here is a bit of the exchange between the attorney general and the chair. [video clip] >> did the white house see the report before you released your

summarizing letter? has the white house seen it since then? have they been briefed on the contents beyond what was in your summarizing letter to the judiciary committee? >> i have said what i am going to say about the report today. i have issued three letters about it and i was willing to discuss the historic information of how the report came to me and my decision on sunday. i have already laid out the process that is going forward to release these reports, hopefully within a week and i am not going to say anything more about it until the report is out and everyone has a chance to look at it. >> i think there are some relevant questions i do hope you could answer today, sir. on the question of obstruction of justice, your memo stated, "while this report does not

conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." let president trump -- yet president trump has stated this is a complete and total exoneration. can you tell us who is actually accurate and will the released report include details on the and why, asissue you noted, the president is not exonerated or will that information be redacted? >> i have already explained the information that is going to be redacted from the report. the four categories. that is what is going to govern the redaction's. the special counsel and his staff are helping us select the information in the report that falls into those four categories. -- i will beport in a position in a week to

release the report. people can then read the report. i have already promised to the judiciary committees that i would appear as soon they are able to schedule a hearing after the report is released. host: a second day of testimony for the attorney general on the senate side. if you go to our website, not only can you click a box that shows yesterday's proceedings, but there is information about today's hearing. that second day of testimony today in washington. president trump plans to head to houston to talk about an executive order to approve a pipeline -- several planned questions from those who will ask betsy devos questions. if you go to c-span, find out more information about the irs commissioner. he will testify on the 2019 tax season. those topics up for discussion. 202-748-8001 for republicans.

202-748-8000 for democrats. an independents, 202-748-8002. rob in boca, raton -- boca raton, florida. democrats line, you start us off this morning. caller: thank you for c-span. good morning to you. i caught pieces of the barr on c-span -- barr's discussion yesterday and i was shocked when i heard him being questioned thet health insurance, affordable care act because it was at that point i realized he is not a fair and independent ag because he seemed to be really defending the administration rather than being some independent-minded, broad thinking attorney general that worked on behalf of all americans, democrat and republican. i think there is a large

majority of republicans who feel strongly about having a much better health care system and we should be improving upon obamacare. the last thing i wanted to say as far as my comment on our president this morning is that i think he is just one, huge performance artist. i think he is performing and pretending to be a person that is in the role of the president. i don't think he has a grasp of any of the issues. i think he has a grasp of superficial headlines, which he then sort of goes into some kind thinks heof what he should act as president. host: that is robin florida. the caller mentioned the affordable care act that came up during the discussion yesterday. the san francisco gate reports

on this washington post story about the headline that says it is an unemotional defense of the aca repeal. i am not a lawyer, -- i am a lawyer, i am not in charge of health care. -- depriving millions of americans of health insurance, sharply raising the price of premiums. you can see more of that back and forth on that topic if you go to our website and find the link. from kansas, margaret, go ahead. caller: yes, hello. i would like to tell everyone that acts of kindness are needed now. r, is very, very frightening. it's ok to talk? host: frightening how? trump: he was chosen by as sort of this villain to be

the lackey, the person that is not going to show anything embarrassing to people and we don't deserve that. we need a professional person. he got in there and we need a daniel ellsberg, we need some journalists, we need somebody with a heart to get that mueller report no matter how it gets out to the american people. if it were released without any redaction's, what do you think it will show us? or what are you most interested in learning from that? caller: i wanted to know how far the treason went, how far the cheating went. if people are worried about people cheating to get their kids into colleges, this was a whole lot worse and the people that are put in and with the security clearances that should not have them, it started with

one focus, but we need to know how much russia was involved in our election. margaret ins kansas. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. an independents, 202-748-8002. in washington state, this is barbara. hello. caller: hello. what was i going to say now? the irs -- i was going to say something else, too. irs -- they let everybody know -- this is what i have to say, there was a man that knew trump for years and years before he was ever elected. before he got elected, he said trump has not paid taxes since

1978. he says the veterans were not treated right, he did not do a thing to help the veterans if he did not pay his taxes and why doesn't he want to show them? host: that is barbara from washington state. the irs commissioner will appear before the senate finance committee today, talking about the filing season for 2019. if you are interested in finding more about that, go to our website. atrles reddick will appear 10:15. you can see that on our website at c-span.org. that is one of the many topics, several people talking about attorney general william barr's testimony from yesterday. you can talk about today's testimony. it is the president heading to houston today to talk about oil and gas pipelines, that is the topic in the houston chronicle by james osborne writing for

that publication saying the president will travel to houston --ay to announce is scheduled to appear before the international union of operating engineers. he is expected to speak about plans to aid the united states's looming oil and domestic gas production. for now, the white house will not release the exact details of the executive orders, but a senior official says it would tape.void red the houston chronicle providing that story. educations the secretary, betsy devos, talking about education policy. it is 9:00 where you can see that hearing on our website at c-span.org. if you go to the website, there

is information on the website. if you don't see it on the side where the boxes are, go lower on the website and there are other bits of information that provide what we are covering today. gerald in san francisco, hello. caller: hello? host: you are on, go ahead. i was telling them about the mueller report and the attorney general. he is covering all these crimes. all these crimes. these are crimes. our whole society is going to end up going down. it is ridiculous. short of the you a report when it is released will discuss or reveal crimes? caller: ok. , everybody knows

it is a crime. he is doing all of this. enough is enough. this is my first time as a caller. enough is enough. i mean. matt let's hear from calling from new york. republican line. morning, pedro. it is amazing some of the things i am hearing from democrats that call in that just will not let go of this thing. first is barr. he is the president's pick, he is not an independent person. all you have to do is look at obama's attorney generals and they were worse.

the russians did not change my vote. what these people forget is the democrat party itself rejected hillary in 2008. hillary clinton and her husband of baggage of a lot and there were too many of us that knew about it. host: back to the mueller report, what do you think of the attorney general's treatment of it? caller: i think he is doing what he is supposed to be doing by law. these people want to have this grand jury stuff and hurt a lot of people that don't have any problem. host: are you concerned redacting portions of the report will limit us as far as not only what happened in the investigation, but the underlying information as people refer to it? .aller: i don't know

when the report comes out, we will see what the report has to say. host: according to the attorney general's report from yesterday, within the week is the release of that report. this is ken, hello. caller: hello. i don't understand why democrats do not accept the mueller report. he came out with it and they have been supporting this guy the entire time. allinds no crime after these years of investigating, they want to press charges. get over it. get over playing politics. move on, get behind a candidate and see if they can beat trump at the ballot box. keep -- quit trying to change the system. host: why not release the full report unredacted? caller: because you could embarrass people. you don't embarrass people who

did not commit any crime. if somebody has contact with trump in some form or fashion and did nothing wrong, they should not have their name lasted all over the world for idiot democrats to make them into something they are not. that is wrong. they don't care about people, they care about politics. host: aside from security issues, why not release the grand jury information? caller: because it has never been done before. it is the same concept. you don't humiliate people on private grand jury investigations. that is why it is done in private. there is stuff people don't want made public. you could embarrass people. host: new jersey is next, republican line. this is john, hello. caller: yeah, hi. it is really funny watching the democrats trying to paint bill barr as carrying trump's water.

dictionary up in the the word integrity, you are going to see bill barr's picture. by the way, you will also see bob mueller picture. host: when it comes to bill barr, why do you say that and how do you relate that to his treatment of the mueller report? caller: oh my god. it is there anything wrong with this man? why would he be a trump partisan? this is the best pick trump has ever made. he is clean, he is experienced, he is intelligent, he is knowledgeable. he is not going to dump his reputation to protect trump. there is nothing there. there was nothing there to begin with and that is why the report -- there is nothing in the report. host: c-span 3 is where you can see mr. barr's second day of

testimony. if you are interested in seeing the hearing from today at 9:30, watch that on c-span 3, c-span.org, or the c-span radio app, also the testimony from yesterday. james from kansas, democrats line. caller: hello, pedro. how are you? host: fine, thanks. go ahead. caller: i was just wondering why, i think the other caller earlier talked about satan not returning his tax returns. that tells you something is going on. -- talked about stephen not returning his tax returns. that tells you something is going on.

-- the timing of mr. andtia and -- mr. mnuchin another appointment he had to make. [video clip] >> request or require you come back to more times in the month of may. is that something you are agreeing with? time -- i have every single time jack and others came here. there has never been anyone here for more than three hours and 15 minutes. i have told you i will come back, i just don't believe we are sitting here negotiating. when i come back, i will follow up with your office. >> i appreciate that and i appreciate your reminding us of the length of time other secretaries have been here. this is a new way and a new day and a new chair. i have the gavel at this point. if you wish to leave, you may.

>> can you clarify that for me? >> if you wish to leave, you may. >> we are dismissed, is that correct? >> if you wish to leave, you may leave. you don't understand what are saying. >> you are wasting your time. remember, you have a foreign dignitary in your office. thehey did not treat secretary of the treasury this way. if this is the way you want to treat me, i will rethink whether i voluntarily come back here to testify. >> mr. secretary, i want you to know no other secretary has ever told us the day before that they were going to limit their time in the way you are doing. if you want to use them as examples, you have acted differently than they have acted

and as i have said, if you wish to leave, you may. >> if you wish to keep me here so that i don't have my important meeting and continue to grill me, we can do that. meeting and imy will not be back here. >> thank you. the gentleman, the secretary has agreed to say to hear all of my -- all the members. please cancel your meeting. >> you are instructing me to stay here. >> you made me an offer i accepted. >> i did not make you an offer. let's be clear. you are instructing me, ordering me to stay here. >> i am not ordering you. i am responding. i said you may leave anytime you want. you said, okay, if that is what you want to do, i will cancel my appointment and stay here. i am responding to your request.

>> that is not what i would like to do. >> what would you like to do? >> i told you it would be respectful if you let me leave at 5:15. >> you may leave anytime you want. >> please dismiss everybody. you i believe you have to -- i believe you have to strike the gavel and dismiss everybody. >> please do not discuss -- direct me how to conduct my meeting. host: they want grand jury information to be kept secret. it democrats want to break the law and steven green says if there is nothing incriminating, it should be released for all to see. the founders were also suspicious. sam is next in illinois, republican line. caller: yes, hello? host: you are on. caller: first off, watching that with maxine waters was absolutely despicable.

absolutely despicable with her. i want to say that first off. on the issue of the barr report -- no, the taxes. it is not law that he has to release his tax returns although i wish he would. i really don't care. i think most trump voters do not tax a darn about his return. another thing, democrats are not going to be happy and mark my words, between -- within three or four decades or less, this entire country is going to end .p looking like tijuana, mexico 103,000 in march, 76,000 in february, 60 something thousand in january and we still have another 8 months to go of this year. in four decades, 5 decades, you

will not recognize this country. it will look like south america and tijuana. host: let's hear from robert in maryland. independent line. caller: i am so worried about what is going on in our country. during my lifetime, i have seen colonialism fail, socialism failed, communism fail and if we keep going the way we are going, this system is going to fail. 5000 years in western civilization history, every time leader a stubborn headed biblicaln't need a prophet or nostradamus. what i see going on in my government is a distraction and it cannot be a winner. i certainly hope and pray this stuff will stop. thank you.

host: in west virginia, independent line. we will hear from david. hello. caller: yes, sir. they need to stop playing this collusion and cover-up game. all they need to do to stop this collusion and cover-up game is to subpoena mueller and get him up before congress today, tomorrow, this week, and have him testify. get it from the horses mouth and , andan stop cnn and msnbc everybody to stop this cover-up game they are going to play. to simply get it from the horse's mouth. they want to string this out as long as they can just like they did the last two years, collusion. simply get it from the horse's mouth. they are not going to do that. host: that is david in west virginia. the washington reporter

reporting the attorney general has established an investigative team he plans to use to look into the origins of an fbi operation.lligence justest has said the department members he plans to ice department members he plans to lean on. the dissenters of mr. trump had hoped mr. mueller would find evidence of collusion between the campaign and russian authorities, but the findings concluded there was no evidence of it. olympia, next from washington, republican line. caller: there are two points i want to make. first of all, if your viewers raidedlook it up, mueller trump's tax attorney's office.

i am sure he had access to any bad stuff going on. secondly, i read the law, the irs law and other net -- under no circumstances can they get any of the schedules that are taxed to an irs return. the only thing they can get is the return and there is absolutely no information on an irs tax return. all it is is numbers. no names, nothing else. it would not do them any good even if they did get the tax return. mar: from tennessee, tes, hello. caller: i was concerned with the fact i am tired of hearing republican, democrat, independent. this is the united states of america, we should be all one because we are all one people. es in that is mart

tennessee. if you wanted to, the topics we are talking about and you can talk about as well include this second day of the attorney general, several people relating that to the mueller report. the president headed to houston today, planned executive order for more oil and gas line production. the education secretary appearing in a hearing talk about -- talking about policies at the education department and .he 2019 tax season you can give us a call and talk about those things. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. an independents, 202-748-8002. you can post your thoughts on twitter at @cspanwj and our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan. other bit of news to let you know about alongside the topics mentioned, when it comes to a potential budget and spending

plan by the house democrats, that proposal or that plan -- for now saying the bill which passed narrowly out of the budget committee would raise fiscal year 2020 defense and nondefense spending $88 billion above the limit setting military billion.at $664 a sizable number of lawmakers, many of whom would have preferred to cut military spending said they would not be able to support proposals unless the house accepted an amendment to boost nondefense spending by $33 billion. when it comes to medicare cost, washington post reporting this morning a planned cost hike for medicare may be pushed off until 2021 saying the monthly cost to individual seniors could rise by $6.

it is not a large amount, but would not go unnoticed by seniors on fixed incomes and would give democrats an opening to criticize president trump's as -- president trump as insensitive to the elderly. go to the washington post to see more of that. there is a hearing on our c-span website. it is on the rising cost of insulin. several medical manufacturers will be part of that testimony and question by legislators about the rising cost. there is a piece by marist chrisman talking about the price of insulin and her dependence on it. this is the piece you can find in the new york times. part of it says the price of insulin for her doubled from 2012 to 2016 which average -- with average cost rising to nearly $6,000 a year. i definitely never thought there would be people who would die from a lack of access.

many insulin-dependent people with diabetes and even people with health insurance are having financial trouble. if you want to read that piece, it is in the new york times op-ed. can finds morning, you that at c-span.org. we will go next to pennsylvania, jimmy, hello. you are next up. caller: yes, good morning. i would like to say the whole out becaused be put the government does what he -- what it wants to do. when i was in the army, you could not get nothing but when somebody said the general is coming. they should release that report. i was up at the wall by berlin and i have seen it, a lot of people talk on the phone about

this and that and all that and they have never been there. host: what value personally would you get by the release of the whole report? honesty.ou would get because iget honesty have seen things and the army that wasn't so and they make it. host: let's hear from kevin in ohio. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to state with all the prosecutions that have taken place on the mueller report, wouldn't he had prosecuted president trump if he found anything illegal during the investigation? toould also like to state protect everybody with personal information, why didn't the inmittee bring mr. mueller

and ask him personally if there was anything instead of doing all this showboating. they could have found out straight from the horse's mouth. thank you. host: 10:00 today, william barr before the senate appropriations subcommittee. c-span 3 is where you can see it . follow on c-span.org and our radio app. this is wayne from maryland, independent line. caller: we are all one country and i am surprised more people are not concerned about william who being an appointee press rehearsed for this job. he told me everything i needed to know when he showed up at the signing of the veto for the border wall funding and said yes, mr. president, i am so glad you are taking this action because we have a terrible emergency at the border.

lying for the president right off the bat? you know where he stands and unfortunately, i don't think we are going to get all the things we need to have the facts about what the president has done. host: how does that specifically relate to the treatment of the mueller report in your mind? he hung up. we will go to william, chattanooga, tennessee. caller: i would like to make the comment as us as a country, as a whole. a lot of people, do they really ,now the whole judicial process how it does work, how it doesn't work, how it worked in the past versus what is going on today? if you have somebody constantly blocking you who doesn't want to show nothing -- would you let me run your country, you don't know nothing about my finances, how i made my money? you would not do that with your personal, why do you do it with

our country as a whole? we all should be transparent. if you are wrong, you are wrong. if you are right, you are right. there is always an excuse. always an excuse. it is always an excuse or a way to subvert the law. host: what law specifically are you talking about? it is plain as day, you shall turn them over. you are being a general good person, which we, americans, as leaders of the world should be. you follow what was presented before you. you want to be transparent to pick up the world and that is not what is going on. it is like there is some kind of terrible. the russians don't have the numbers. i would hate to see -- i would hate to see the democrats get in

office with a two party majority or whole party majority and carry on this way. i would be upset and i think they should be held accountable and should be stopped. let the government work for the people. carolina,is in north republican line in asheboro. caller: i have a comment i want to make. the first one is that this hanging when he left it in the air for the democrats to the onto something, this is to ragin trump's policy this president who has done more for this country than any other president. more than ronald reagan or anybody and they want to keep something going. fixing to do is he is fixing to investigate all

these criminals that were head of the doj, the obama administration, and the fbi and thendly, i think that republicans are acting more in the image of god and the in thets are acting image of the devil. host: that is pat from north carolina, one of the topics that came up in the oval office yesterday as the president was meeting with the egyptian president was talk about changes at the head of the homeland security department, questions about turnover within that department. here is some of the response from president trump yesterday. [video clip] >> i never said i am cleaning house. i don't know who came up with that expression. we have a lot of good people over there. we have bad laws. we have a judge that ruled incredibly he does not want

people staying in mexico. nobody can believe these decisions we are getting from the ninth circuit. it is a disgrace. we are fighting the bad laws, bad things coming out of congress. you have a democratic congress that is obstructing. all they have to do is spend 20 minutes and they can fix this problem. we have the worst laws of any country anywhere in the world whether it is catch and release or any one of them. if you get rid of catch and release, chain migration, visa .ottery you have people coming and claiming asylum. a piece of paper, read what that is and all of a sudden you are entitled to asylum. some of these people are not people you want in our country. host: this is beverly in missouri, democrats line. caller: we have a president who

cannot even get a loan from a united states bank. you tell me why we should not see his taxes. it is because he gets money from russia. his son has already said that. they have no problem getting money. and the mueller report, they are blocking it. totalet hillary clinton's investigation come out, the total thing came out. -- if there was nothing to this report, it would have already been out. host: we will go to new york. david is there, republican line. hello. caller: yes, hi. i definitely feel like the democrats have a little bit of the egg on the face because the mueller report and i think a lot of the charges that should have come up out of it did not come out of it.

they did a lot of damage to a lot of people and they have done a lot of wrong and convinced a lot of people that trump is .rown and people no the report says there is collusion. of the report will be released, we finally have an attorney general that will stand his ground and talk and defend the process and is going to abide by the law and what has to be redacted will be redacted. i don't think there is evidence in the grand jury testimonies. i don't think the people's privacy should be hurt or harmed or taken away because the democrats want to find some type of charge, but there is no charge. there is no evidence of any charge and when the dossier gets

looked at and the pfizer court issues, they are going to have a lot of people have done a lot of harm. they have convinced a lot of people that there is collusion, but they never looked at the democrats. they have only looked at the republicans and i don't know why they did not look at the democrats. host: jeffrey is next in georgia, independent line. fourr: in response to calls ago talking about getting the president's taxes released, there is a certain level of privacy everyone in the united states is entitled to. even without that regard, we had president obama come into office . there was a lot of talk about him not actually being a resident or citizen of the united states at birth. that went into throughout his entire first presidency and then they tried to bring it up again. when are we going to stop letting the media drive our

politics and let politicians actually focus on what needs to be looked at and dealt with instead of all these media smearing campaigns? politicians need to get out of the media and do their jobs. georgiaat is jeffrey in . several people commenting on the mueller report and the attorney general's treatment of it. william barr was in testimony yesterday and expected to be in testimony today. you can talk about the president's plan for -- talking about a faster way for an oil and gas line. education secretary continuing --lending to talk about

a trip secretary of state mike pompeo will visit, including a city bordering venezuela saying he will stress to a ties allies in the -- two way ties with allies in the region. in the first destination for thousands fleeing the country. a senior state apartment -- department official said the visit is set to begin thursday, reaffirms our commitment to the western hemisphere.

and domestically, questions from certain legislators about the president's recent choice for the federal reserve, herman cain. some of the reactions to this, "it is hard for me to imagine he would be confirmed.:" ,hat was senator kevin cramer one of the president's strongest allies on capitol hill. big problem very for me, for a lot of people, and rightfully so." " when the name first came up, that is the first thing that came up. i don't know how you get past that." "the white house needs to consult with the senate before they make nominations because it is not a given anybody they nominate is going to be confirmed." it also quotes in the last column senator mitt romney,

republican of utah saying "i think the fed has to be above partisanship without any question about its partisanship. i think mr. cain is far too much of a partisan to be in that role." that is some of the senatorial reactions to herman cain's nomination. antonio, south carolina, democrats line. caller: how are you doing? taxes.alling about the trump, they need to go ahead and reopen and clear with everybody. if you don't have anything to hide, you let people know what is going on. that is all i have to say about that. just to open because when you say deposition, you have to be clean. everything has to be clean. when you are hiding something, something is not right. that is common sense. host: nathaniel is next from

florida, republican line. hi. caller: for a second there, i myself -- thiste is what is the important thing, rockefeller of new york wanted to build the empire state saga he used his old -- saga. he wanted to use his own money, he was a millionaire. he wanted to pay his foundation back. this is what our president can do. he can build a wall and make sure the wall includes things such as hotels, things that people actually need like restaurants, medical centers, facility. an airport a wall is not as thin as you think it is in your house, a wall is as big and wide as you wanted to be. all he has to do is build

something that will be able to accommodate those other entities and needs and services people toe and that will be able incur enough money to be able to pay for the wall. host: that is nathaniel in florida. the detroit free press has a look at potential questions facing betsy devos as she goes to talk about priorities of the education department. here are some of the topics from the detroit free press when it comes to the topic of tax credit given to private schools. isorce is likely -- devos likely to be questioned on this -- states that have their own tax credit. it doesn't take away any federal funding from public schools, but it would mean the federal government would take in less for taxes overall.

when it comes to the topic of student debt, the story says she is likely to be questioned in her efforts to make it hard for student loan borrowers to be forgiven for debts in cases they claim they were misled by false promises or fraud by for-profit schools. devos argued the schools were too lenient. also the topic of charter schools, saying one of the questions expected was the commitment to charter schools and the trump administration's plan to add $60 million in funds while cutting $7 billion in -- aseducation department much as $1 billion in funding lost on charter schools that never opened or closed because of problems. more of that story. you can click more to see more of the underlying background at the detroit free press. tallahassee, florida, you are

next up. go ahead. caller: good morning. i have three quick points in reference to barr. he is going by the law that were changed by the democrats after bill clinton. as long as he is sticking to the law, that is what is important and a secret court is a secret court. prisonersce to voting, the bad thing about that is most prisons are in rural .reas and districts are small prisoners would be running the local government as opposed to the taxpayers that lived there. in reference to illegal immigration, my sister lives south of here in a town with only 20,000 people and they round up 7000 illegal aliens in her town. people need to keep a lot of

these things in mind that affect other people even if they do not affect you. host: michigan is next, democrats line. this is anne. barr let it be known in a 19 page letter to trump telling him what he believed about the position of being a unitarian president and he really applied for that job and got that job. he is not working in the interest of the people. he is working in the interest of trump as our so many people. i hear a lot of republicans call in and speak so condescendingly about democrats and it is really where thesgusting republicans who are trump supporters have led us. maga, the makethe

america great again at has rightisturope and the s are wearing it. that is a symbol of white nationalism and that is trump's symbol. we have gotten to a very difficult stage in this country where there is so much hate between democrats and republicans that republicans cannot even see what they have done to this country. host: let's hear from a republican in ohio, this is linda. caller: good morning. i think they want us calling .ueller a liar as well as barr i truly believe in my heart, if mueller had something on trump, he would have thrown him out of office. host: the attorney general saying that report is expected release in about a week.

we have a few minutes left in this program if you want to call and talk about that and other topics. one of the topics that came up yesterday on the senate side, you heard issues on the house when it comes to the budget. mitch mcconnell talked about efforts with not only the president, but nancy pelosi on the house side and negotiating a long-term spending deal. here is the assessment from the senate majority leader. [video clip] >> i spoke with the president last thursday and the speaker this morning and we have agreed to put together at the staff level, a group to begin discussing the possibility of eal song a two year cap s we can move ahead hopefully with some kind of regular appropriations process. --hink there is a bipartisan to avoid a cr and hopefully a

sequester. i hope this will be the beginning of a bipartisan agreement, which will be necessary in order to have an orderly appropriations process not only this year, but next year as well. host: democrats line, connecticut is next. donna, hello. caller: good morning. how are you, pedro? host: fine, thanks. caller: good. i have two comments. first on the taxes. he threw on his campaign promise that he would release his taxes. why doesn't everyone hold him to his word? number two, very simply, he said the mueller report totally exonerates him. wouldn't you want to put that out to everybody immediately? look at this report, it exonerates me. host: you are saying it should be released, not redacted or anything else like that. caller: no. classified,ry

classified material that would risk the country or anything like that, definitely, that has to be redacted. i think they are using a broad scope that they will redact too many thanks. they have to redact some things, definitely, but they are redacting too much. i was watching c-span yesterday and one of the representatives held up a copy of barr's summary and there was like one line or two lines and the whole page was blacked out. what kind of a report? was that -- is that? you know what i mean? host: josephine is a republican, hi. barr isi want to say taking the initiative of color coding all the red actions -- read actions -- all of the

redactions. the color blue is redacted because it is people's names. he is trying to satisfy everybody and make everybody happy and i think that is a good thing. host: that satisfies you as well? caller: it does. i want to see as much as possible. i am a republican and i know if we don't see as much as possible, other people are going to spin it. i believe there is no collusion, but let the dems see it. host: from maryland, this is ida. good morning, you are next up. caller: good morning. i want to talk about the barr hearing yesterday. the topic was did president trump know in advance about the mueller report? barr refused to answer the question. i call it the barr cover-up.

if congress demands to see the report, why should they get a redacted report? what are they hiding? there were 37 indictments. 37 indictments is not a witchhunt. i believe there was collusion and i want to see the whole report. host: from michigan, independent line, chuck, you are next up. caller: yes, i wanted to mention, it is not a law that the president turn in his taxes, everyoneld recommend in congress, house, and senate turn in their taxes prior to taking office three years and turn them in after they leave office and see how well they have done. host: if you watched this program yesterday, we had an expert from the use of birdie --

from the university of virginia to talk about the release of the president's tax returns and what has been asked for. if you want to go to our website at c-span.org and go to the washington journal section, you can see that program from yesterday and watch that interview with george. boxcan type his name in the . a lot of ways you can get to that interview if you want to learn more about the request made by house democrats for the president's tax returns. from ronald in tennessee, hi. caller: i was listening to the lady that said something. when they speak, they need to listen to what they are saying. i was registered democrat and decided i could not vote democrat anymore because many of the issues on abortion and different things. to say that everybody who has a maga hat, we hate different races, it is ridiculous.

i am a chapman, i have a ministry. a good share of the young men at my prison that come to the ministry are black and mexican men and there is not a drab of prejudice -- drop of prejudice and i have a maga hat. i went to a rally. we are not prejudice because we believe in our borders and making america great again. those are just talking points and when you say stuff like that, please. there is a group of americans that believe in america, we are not a socialists. we don't believe in these things and we are not racist. island,om rhode democrats line, gary is next. caller: good morning, pedro. host: morning. caller: yes, william barr, the attorney general was put out there for donald trump. hello? host: hello, you are on. caller: william barr, the

attorney general, was given the job by donald trump. donald trump is a criminal mixed in with a bunch of oligarchs and william barr is hiding it all. host: what convinces you of that? up.hung tom from michigan, republican line, hi. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just had a comment on your topics. one online. the oil. i think what trump is doing for oil is good. host: you mean the announcement today about the oil and gas lines? caller: yeah. i haven't had time to jump on exactly what it is, but i feel anytime we can do best for ourselves here in america, we are less dependent on any foreign countries. so, more oil for us should keep my prices down. we are in a bit of a bit of a ch right now in michigan.

anything will help. host: that is tom in michigan. republican line, talking about the president, traveling to houston today, expected to talk about his executive order, planning on making it easier for oil and gas companies to establish pipelines to read follow along on our website. the house comes in at 9:00 today. we will have two guests before that happens. joining us next is representative paul tonko, the chairman of the house subcommittee on the environment. -- later on the program, we will hear from national border patrol council's brandon judd, to discuss president trump's immigration policy and the issue of border security. you can see the full hearing on our website, on white nationalism, that took place yesterday. one of those testifying was conservative commentator candace owen, and this is the exchange

she had with commerce men ted lu about owen speaking about nazi leader adolf hitler. [video clip] >> in congressional hearings, the minority party gets to select its own witnesses. all the people of the republicans could have selected, they picked kansas owens -- owens.owens -- candace i am going to pray for you the first 30 seconds -- play for you the first 30 seconds of a statement she made about adolf hitler. >> i agree. i do not have any problems with the word nationalism. i think the definition gets that oneby elitists globalism. globalism is what i do not. whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about in america is hitler's. he was a national socialist. but if hitler's wanted to make germany great and have things run well, ok, fine. the problem is he had dreams

outside germany he wanted to globalize. he wanted everybody to be german. is, ms.rst question owens said, "if hitler's just wanted to make germany great and have things run well, ok, fine. the problem is he had dreams outside of germany." so when people try to legitimize it all hitler's, does that fit into white nationalist ideology? lew. does, mr. i know ms. owens distanced herself from those comments later, but we expressed great concern over the original comets. hei think it is clear that purposely presented -- the witness will suspend for a moment. it is not proper to refer disparagingly to a member of the committee.

the witness will not do that again. the witness may continue. >> sure, even though i was called despicable. tothe witness may not refer a member of the committee as stupid. >> that is not what i said at all. you did not listen to what i said. may i continue? >> please. >> as i said, he is assuming that black people will not pursue the full two-hour clip, and he cut off and you did not hear the question asked of me. he is trying to present that i was launching a defensive pillar, when the question was asked of me whether or not i believe in nationalism, and that nationalism is bad. what i responded to was that i do not believe we should be characterizing hitler's as a nationalist. he was a homicidal, psychopathic maniac who killed his own people. a nationalist would not kill their own people. that is what i was referring to, and he purposely wanted to give

a cut off similar to what they do to donald trump to create a different narrative. that is unbelievably dishonest, and he did not allow me to respond to it, which is worrisome. announcer: "washington journal" continues. host: our first guest is paul tonko, democrat from new york. he serves as the chair of the energy and commerce subcommittee. caller: good morning. host: could you start with your philosophy on climate change? where do you stand? guest: we need to have a two-track approach that allows us to first address doable items -- short-term, medium-term items, that will allow us to hope to get bipartisan, bicameral support. because there is such a urgency embracing this issue. those items would include energy and the innovation

will be very important. showing up hardening our existing infrastructure, because no matter how we do a climate plan, it will be a while before the impact is felt. we need to harden that existing infrastructure and weave a green component into what i believe is an infrastructure bill need that we have today. we need the issue to be addressed this calendar year. i think it is very important. the second track we can address is that of a comprehensive climate plan, one that will enable us to go forward and put together the resources and the policy that will address the impact. the public is demanding this. the public knows now that it is coastal erosion that may not affect them. it is happening in their backyard.

you see it in polling, you hear it in conversation in the streets. talking to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, there is pressure for us to do something. host: you came out with principles, adopting science-based targets for greenhouse gas neutrality by mid century. green economy must be a strong, competitive affair. caller: jobs must be -- guest: innovation will require that it be done with new ideas that will enable us to be energy efficient, that will enable us to mitigate the impact of climate change wherever possible. that means two things. growing new jobs but also preserving those jobs, perhaps in manufacturing. i think it is important for us to look at retrofits that can help reduce the carbon footprint, working with business, especially in certain areas where there may be huge

impacts on some of our industries. we want to make certain that we do a plan in partnership with them. this is all about creating a collaborative, getting those stakeholders that are involved in this equation because i see economy-wide, market-based outcome. if we are going to address all areas including agriculture, we need to do it in a way that is sensitive to particular industries. if we not going to do so just focus on the power sector or anyone other sector. we new jobs, the jobs that preserve, i think will appreciate that effort as we go forward. host: principles also deal with an action to protect the low income household. how does that fit into a climate plan? guest: what you have here is a cost that you have to spread over the universe. obviously there will be savings that come with addressing climate change. disaster aid coming out of

federal taxpayer pockets. it is expected to grow. we should expect it to grow exponentially because of the many acts of mother nature impacting us. but there is also the attempt to provide for savings that will come with reduced insurance premiums, impact on regional businesses hade closed. perhaps permanently, some temporarily. there is a huge impact on our regional economies across this country. as we accrue those savings, we reinvest them in a climate response. we have to make certain that low income households are taking an inordinate impact with this whole effort because it would be economically unfair. i have to share with you and viewers, that when we develop , at the climate

change leadership conference in baltimore, those numbers as a framework for any solution are developed, have been developed over a span of about 18 months. before i knew what the hell makeup would look like, 18 months don't -- before i knew what the house makeup would look like, 18 months down the road, we would bring in perspectives in the business communities, the industrial community, the labor community, environmental community. theirgovernment officials priorities, their potential solutions. as we did that, i think it was , andimportant to take that that formulated our principles. this comes after the tenets of the green new deal. was your effort helped or

hindered by the reaction? green new deale as aspirational. there are a series of goals or ideals. i embraced most of those. but my role, i believe, and the subcommittee's role in environment and climate change, is to create the tools in that toolkit that will enable us to achieve those goals. ais effort has to be done on science-based, evidence-based way because it is important for us not to fail. we need to move forward and get this done because it is a global crisis. you know, with the attempt to draw us from the paris agreement table, it is more important than ever to make certain we achieve this sort of policy that can be done, i am convinced, in a bipartisan way on the hill in washington. tonko isresentative here to talk about issues of

climate change with you. we will start in michigan with donald, on our republican line. he is on with representative paul tonko. you are on. caller: good morning. i am not a climate change denier and i am all for recycling, but that does not work. people absolutely will not do it. i live in an apartment complex. fore are two bins recyclables, and people throw all kinds of crepe in there and ap in there-- of cr and it goes to the dump. people just do not want to do it. i live in a big carbon complex -- a big apartment conflict. when i first came to kalamazoo in 1970, this was nothing but farm ground. here, maybe through tour down a barn or two, may be

one person. where i grew up, where i first lived, when i came to kalamazoo, i worked part-time for a farmer. farmed several hundred acres. there was nothing to be destroyed. today there is a great big mall, several shopping centers, apartment buildings, dentists, you name it. the ground used to be open. it absorbs water. now all that water goes into storm sewers and into the kalamazoo river. why does the kalamazoo river overflow? -- oneorn and raised quarter of the farm was in our farm. guest: thank you for your call. 97% of the worlds scientists have reinforced this concept of climate change. but scientists brought to our attention that the achievements, i believe, will come through

technology, with technical types and engineers. there are shelf ready opportunities as we speak that can retrofit given situation so the pollution, the image and, the carbon being pumped into our atmosphere can be addressed. these will be technical responses. on carbon will be triggered to the marketplace so that we will evolve, our behavior will evolve in response to that. but the retrofitting that can occur, the ways 2d de-carbonized, for instance -- all of these things can be engineer driven. i believe americans can certainly get us there. host: kathleen from new york. democrats line. caller: first of all, i would like to say thank you to c-span forgiving week, the people, a voice. giving we,g -- for the people, a voice.

seems so obvious. i do not understand where the president comes from, that he does not believe in it. you know? earthquakes, you know, what do you call it? the tsunami, you know? it is a true story. there is a climate change going on. oh, do you know -- know that yesterday i was forget,kerry in front of congress explaining air quality. the person he was talking to and commerce so horrible. this person was making fun of whatever he was saying. it was so horrible. the person in congress sounded so foolish, you know, and so ignorant.

it was horrible. host: thank you. guest: i think to deny the science, the concept of climate change, is really not going to get us where we need to be. whether you believe in climate as a crisis or not, it is so air,cult to imagine better cleaner air that we breathe, safer water that we drink. these are good concepts. but i will go with the 97% of the scientist community. by law, agencies are required to do routine assessments of where we are with climate change. our own federal agencies reporting to the executive, the executive branch was informing the ceo of that executive branch, the president, that they and their assessment, their latest assessment a few months ago, indicated the problem is deeper than thought and more

urgent than imagined. so for that science to be invoked here without latest assessment, have it be handed to the president and have him say, "i don't believe it tom: that is not a scientific response --, "i don't believe it," that is not a scientific response. this needs to be done in an evidence-based manner. we live in context times -- complex times, and we require complex technical responses to issues to make sure we are doing this in a way that is achievable and is ruled by science. host: looking at climate change, how do you factor in oil and gas production? guest: we need to decrease our reliance on fossil-based fuels. in the last 10 years, since the last time congress attempted to

address climate change, so much has changed. the economy is much stronger. the comeback began in march of 2009. we have steadily climbed up every single month with private-sector job growth, so the economy undeniably is stronger. it was that response to the recession, the recovery act, that began that. secondly, republicans -- i hear it when i go home. people are pushing us. mother nature is speaking to us, and it is important for us to listen. renewables. much cheaper than anyone had forecast. there are these telltale signs that bring us to, i think, more hopeful belief that we can move forward and address this with science. and we will get there. taking those dynamics that have now shown great progress, even the fact that there are models out there that address carbon

pollution reduction. that in mission reduction is in production in historic format. there is a model with new england and new york, european models. these are things that should be reached and reviewed for their science. where we can tweak that and make it even better. host: the president heads to houston today. it is good that he is addressing the issues of pipeline. infrastructure is very important, but at the same time, i would always want to look at how it impacts consumers. consumers have a right to have their thoughts shared. i have seen where pipeline routes have been changed simply because the public new its territory. itsecause the public knew territory. they wanted to reflect the sensibility of the replacement of that line.

he is there for what is traditional, fossil-based product line, but he should be there also for climate. this is part of the entire energy arena. we need to look at this holistically, and i do not believe he is doing that. host: this is from massachusetts, republican line. you are on with paul tonko. caller: i believe in climate change. good morning. i believe in climate change. i just have a problem why nobody is talking about that there is another possibility of what is causing it. the magnetic field of the earth has moved, 30 miles every year. magnetic poles of the earth have flipped and caused havoc over the world. nobody is mentioning that that is a distinct possibility of what is happening to the climate. it is going to be devastating

because it is not only going to hurt the climate, it is going to hurt the electrical grid system. it is going to devastate earth, and nobody is even mentioning it. everybody wants to jump on the fact that man is responsible for it, and i do not believe that that is the facts. i think we need, again, as we have this dialogue going forward, addressing that comprehensive climate plan, it is important for us to reach the -- to look at the potential concerns and cause and effect, but also move forward with the scientific response. we are open to any and all of that thinking. .e say 11,000 solutions and we will eventually mean that. much of this is human inspired because of the pollution that we have recorded, that we can understand is carbon being

emitted into the atmosphere. it may be a combination, a hybrid of thinking that gets us to the finish line. host: from kentucky, democrats line. hello. marnique from kentucky, hello. caller: hello. guest: good morning. caller: good morning. i am glad that you answered. thank you. --on't know, climate change i think that we are at the end of times. that is what i think. with trump not believing it, talking about trump here, science has been around forever, since our ancestors. and i believe in science. host: let's hear from alan in philadelphia. hello. caller: good morning, pedro. good morning, c-span. good morning, usa, from philadelphia. guest: good morning, alan.

tonko: mr. tom:, -- mr. , i remember watching you years ago on c-span. inre did it originate, oxford or cambridge? watching c-span, the story came sut, there were 600 sensor placed throughout the world. they looked at temperatures. they did not get the readings that they wanted. fixed them to show an artificially high temperature increase. and there really is climate change. it is called winter, spring, summer, and fall. please comment. tell me, am i right or wrong. was it cambridge? i believe it came somewhere from england. guest: i believe you are right. but since then, there has been so much data compilation that

has occurred. we need to pay attention to those statistics. -- i witnessed, after three hearings on our subcommittee on environment and climate change -- as we have had those hearings, i have witnessed more and more coming together from both sides of the political fence to work on this concept. i believe people are into the notion of climate change. and again, whether you want to define it that way or not, is it so bad to clean the air we breathe and make more pure the water we drink? i think that we are fundamentally -- that these are fundamentally sound goals and we should continue along this stretch. the world is addressing this concept, so, you know, it is no small wonder to bring so many nations together. in fact, the united states, if it withdraws, as the president proposes, would be the only industrialized nation not at the

table. global race to the on space when i was a much younger individual. where i saw us invest in american know-how, american technology, to make a difference. we were that first nation to land a person on the moon, which unleashed untold technology advances not only for this nation, but for the world. these moments of challenge produce great outcomes, and that is where i think we are at again in history. host: a select committee on the climate crisis -- what is the role of the committee? what is it tasked with? guest: it is tasked with taking out the message into the u.s., across the country, and hearing from people as to concerns, proposals, priorities, potential solutions. it is had by -- it is headed by a representative from florida, a

good friend. we are both members of the energy and commerce committee, to which my subcommittee reports. they will hear from various groups. they may pick up poses along the way. -- they may pickup proposals along the way. we are not limited to product development, but largely about product irrelevant as it relates to policy. what are those tools in the aboutt -- but largely product relevance as it relates to policy. think thatdo you a when do you think a final outcome, or specifics will be produced? guest: with the short-term, medium-term effort, there are immediate efforts that we can realize. we reauthorized a bill on weatherization, which i think is a vast improvement.

it will be marked up in committee. we may have that bill on the floor next month. i am encouraged i that. similarly, with energy efficiency issues, with conservation, with investing in r&d, which might be a budget item, infrastructure that i hope to address later this year, those are more immediate. the longer efforts might take a year or two while this president is in office and denies the client -- the climate scientists issue, there is ample time to develop a comprehensive climate plan so that when there are changes in the political environment, we can move forward and get things done. now is the time to do our homework. host: this is mark from chester, virginia, republican line. caller: good morning. i would like to ask the congressman -- he is correct on the 97% of science agreeing that there is climate change.

but many do not believe it is man-made. you spoke of the models. the models out there, if you look at the russian model, it most closely follows the national numbers. they never bought into the climate change. we had those numbers when the cold war ended and they got all their information. the way we get our numbers, the big business of the government grants for these reports. when the government wants certain outcomes and they get a grant, it comes out with the numbers that they want. we really want to address the rest of the world -- we need to renew our efforts, giving them clean coal could technology -- clean coal technology. it is not going to help us at all. history, talked about

for certain climate modeling that has been out there for carbon solution reduction. we want to look at those systems and see how they work, how they do not work, and make certain that we do the best modeling to respond for our national climate plan. i think this is important. just like it was important for us to win that global race on space, to be that go-two nation go-to economy -- that nation, i believe we will be a kingpin in the world of global economy. i believe it is a challenge to make certain that we are that nation with the sharpest competitive edge, with a laser sharp focus on how to address this issue on a science-based, evidence-based -- on a science-based way that will now allow us to achieve the greatest results. host: how do you sway countries

like china and india with their pollution problems? guest: the people in china now are demanding -- i met with some entrepreneurs from china, and through an interpreter, was talking to the businessperson. i asked him in his startup, which was all about reducing pollution in his small business creation, i asked him through the interpreter, how much money he placed into his marketing, into his budget for marketing so that he could advance the sales of his innovation product. in hiskled and responded native language, i wondered what the chuckling was about, and he nt in "not a ce marketing." we can kid ourselves, but the world is getting involved. if we allow other nations to pass us by, with investments and technology and innovation, we

are not going to be the leading economy in the world. ,ost: representative paul tonko democrat from new york. he serves the 20th district. thanks for your time. coming up, we are going to hear from the national border patrol council president, brandon judd. talking about president trump's immigration policy and border security. that immigration policy discussion coming up next. >> the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. not what your country

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arresting the same people over and over because we would arrest them, and in a couple of hours said that back mexico. now we are dealing with more people. not as many arrests, but more people. all we do is release them into the united states. had in the to thousands, we more arrests, less people. now we have a few less arrests but more people that we are dealing with. that is a crisis. host: what is the best way to counteract that? guest: we have to put them into the asylum and deportation proceedings earlier. they get pushed back to 2 to 5 years. that is where catch and release comes in. if we would put these people in deportation proceedings earlier -- and that sounds bad, but deportation proceedings, that is the chance these people have the right to say, "i deserve to be here, i have an asylum claim." they present themselves before a judge and say this is why i

should be allowed to be here. the judge then gets to make that decision. it is the legal proceeding where a person has the right to say, "i should be allowed to stay here." host: we saw the pushback on the trump administration proposal. what does that due to the current policy that is going on? guest: where i get a little bit upset is the judicial activism. we have the same agreement with canada, where if somebody comes into the united states from canada and claims asylum, we send them right back to canada, awaiting their procedures. we should be able to do the exact thing with mexico if mexico agrees to do that. that is in agreement we make with other countries. for that judge to step in and say that is illegal, it is absolutely wrong because we have that same agreement with canada. we should be allowed to do that with mexico as well. host: our guest is with us until the house comes in at 9:00.

if you are a border state resident and you want to give us 242, --spective, it is 202-748-8003. nielsen's strong suit was not border security. our biggest crisis is right now. changes happen and are needed based on what the person's experience is, what their expertise is. who will server as the acting secretary, that is in fact his expertise. he spent his entire federal areer with federal -- it was time for change he did a very good job. now it is time to look at who can handle the border crisis.

that one of those topics comes up with both of those names is the idea of separation policy. should there be changes to the current policy? separation policy is not taking place right now. if the separation policy comes back, we have to look at, are these children actually family members of the people bringing them in? right now what we are seeing is, a lot of these children are not actually the children of those people bringing them in. homeland security investigations , they have a number of investigations out showing that what happens with these cartels, they use these children as pawns, they pair them up with people, they come across the border. the adults say the children are theirs, they are then released, they come up to places like georgia, nasa choose its, then the cartels take the -- like georgia, massachusetts, then the

cartels take these people right back across the border. we have to look at that and say these children are being exploited. we have to protect these children. in those cases, there has to be a separation when we can prove those children are not in fact belonging to the people bringing them in to exploit them in order to be released. host: you are a border patrol agent as well as the head of the council. what do you think of the perception of a border patrol agent and what the reality is for you? guest: that is very frustrating for me. we get called gestapo, we get called nazis, all kinds of different names. the fact of the matter is we are enforcing the laws congress has already set. what we are here to do is protect the homeland because we are homeland security. but what we are doing is, we are enforcing the laws that congress has set. for the public to say we are bad people simply because we are trying to protect the border,

that is absolutely wrong. frankly, it values what we are able to accomplish. with stevell start from california. republican line, steve, good morning. caller: good morning, pedro. i wanted to weigh in on this -- i did not want to weigh in on this issue. there are a few documentaries i watched. one was about poultry workers and immigration, and it explains why people are coming up from central america. basically your guest is absolutely right. the cartels have been involved in this. they go down there, they promise att their kids can get a job $500 a week. the way they do it, they have landowners turn over their land to $15,000 -- two $1500

$2000, and say they will bring their kids up to the united states. then they eventually bring the said,p and, like you unaccompanied minors, and they go from there and get filled up in our facilities, which we have no way to really hold them, overwhelm them, we release them into the country, and then the next wave comes up. if you watch the video, the documentary, you will get some insight on what is going on down there. host: aside from that, what would you like our guest to address specifically? caller: i was going to go on, but i guess i am running out of time. that is basically where it is. has your guest checked into why so many unaccompanied minors are coming up from south america? guest: yes, we have. we look at the driving factors. we call them the pull factors, the push factors. what is happening in those countries that is causing people to leave? what is happening in our country

that causes this pull factor? if you look at what is happening in europe, germany is trying to get a hold of their immigration crisis. just today, the bbc had an article on canada, and how they are not allowing refugees into canada right now. you see these immigration issues happening throughout the world, and all countries are trying to get a handle on what to do. the difference with the united states as opposed to canada and germany is we have been dealing with this issue for as long as i can remember, for as long as i have been an agent. this is not rocket science. this is a fairly easy issue to handle. there is just not the political will to do it. host: a border state resident from texas, hello. caller: how are you? host: fine. you are on with our guest. caller: i want to know because you talked about the push factors and the pull factors that are bringing people in --

how complicit is the united states of america in destabilizing central american countries, including perpetuating a drug of war that is perpetuating migration? and which of the classified asylum-seekers are being processed and allowed into the united states in comparison to previous years? guest: nearly everybody claiming a sign on -- claiming asylum is allowed into the united states, which is something congress has to fix. the push and pull factors -- if you look into the northern tribal countries -- the northern triangle countries, guatemala, honduras, nothing has changed in those countries are the economies are basically the same. it is estimated that the violence in guatemala has actually gone down since that time. so if you look when we have

45-year lows in illegal immigration why the headedness hasoded now, -- why that exploded now, that is because people have been able to exploit the loopholes which allow them to get released. if the vast majority of these people were showing up to their court appearances later on, there would not be an issue. but right now it is only about 40% of those people that come across the border that claim asylum that are showing up to their court appearances. of those 40%, judges are only finding that 10% of them have a legitimate claim. the rest of them are being deported. host: what about the system of judges and things like that? have you pushed the president on that? guest: yes, there is absolutely a need for more judges. there are other ways of doing it. you can actually have video teleconferences with judges. judges throughout the united states, immigration judges, you

can set this up to where they can have a teleconference. a deportation proceeding, so your listeners know, it is not a criminal proceeding. this is an administrative proceeding. it is kind of like if you get a speeding ticket. the united states government does not have to provide an attorney for these individuals because it is not a criminal proceeding. the burden of proof is on these individuals, not on the united states government. these people have to show why they have a legitimate claim to be here. the united states does not have to show why they do not have a legitimate claim. host: our next call for brandon judd is from mississippi. kathleen, on our democrats line, go ahead. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. guest: hi, kathleen. caller: hi. the president needs to tell the truth. everybody needs to tell the truth. over throughome

visa overstates. i mean, he created this problem through his national disaster theme. he needs to tell the truth. the truth will set him free. host: thank you, kathleen. guest: there is an issue with visa overstates, but -- with visa overstays. if you look at the total number, visa overstays are a lot less than they were. they were greater in years past, but right now, the number of people crossing the border illegally are quite a bit more than what we have with visa overstays per year. host: from new york, this is peter up next. hello. caller: thank you, pedro. mr. judd, thank you for coming on and giving some clarity to this issue. my main contention with this

whole thing, there is a lot of deception going on on both sides. why the president and republicans did not deal with this issue when they had control of both houses of congress really frustrates me as a republican. i do not believe either side. i believe both sides want these people to come in. because, if you notice, when the president declared his emergency, right away republicans jumped on it and tried to put some legislation fourth to fix it. right now i do not see anything happening that either side wants to do anything about this issue. the business community wants to cheap labor coming in, and both sides are complicit. it just frustrates the hell out of me. nobody talks about the social cost, the billions of dollars it ands the taxpayers to house educate these people. we understand the american people -- we need population, but we bring in a million people legally.

thank you for adding some clarity to this issue. just the lies, to say illegal aliens do not take american jobs, you see it every day -- construction, truck drivers, all facets -- restaurants -- it is just a big factor. keeping wages down for working-class americans when the president is trying to raise wages up for blue-collar workers, flooding the market with millions of people, is only going to lower wages for working-class americans. guest: as far as the way congress works, i cannot disagree with peter. there is a lot of disconnect in the congress. you do not have republicans and democrats working together to try to find a bipartisan solution to this. i have met with the president on multiple occasions, and i do know that the president does in fact want to stop this problem. he does in fact want to put an end to illegal immigration.

i want to be clear about that -- that is illegal immigration. the legal immigration continues to run very smoothly in the united states, and it needs to. in illegal immigration is what we are facing, and that is the crisis on the border today. until democrats together in a bipartisan manner work to fix this issue, we will continue to deal with it. host: you said you talked to the president on several things, and you mentioned family separation. do you know if the white house is working on a plan to bring that back? guest: as far as i know, there 's no work on the white house part to bring the issue of family separation back. bringing more evidence to the fact that they need asylum, how do border patrol agents factor into that? guest: right now we do not factor into it at all. we take people into custody,

process them accordingly. if we determine they are inadmissible or do not have the proper documents to be in the united states, we process them for a removal process. we then turn them over to ice. from then, we turn them over to immigration services until their entire claim is adjudicated. the problem is, that takes anywhere from two to five years to adjudicate those claims. we could do it much more expeditiously, but we would actually have to train our border patrol agents to be asylum officers in part to do interviews. if we could do that, the process would kick off much quicker. there is something in the works right now -- i should not say there is something in the works -- but that is being considered right now. host: at the white house. is that something you would advocate for? guest: i absolutely would advocate for that. host: and what training would go

into that besides what you are normally trained to do? guest: we already have a lot of the training asylum officers receive. asylum officers have 300 hours of training in that. we have probably 150 to 200 hours of that training. wouldt would do is, it give us the opportunity to do credible interviews on the spot, not the same officer that does the arrest. that would be illegal there it what would have to happen, let's say you are a border patrol agent. if you take someone in custody and determine they are inadmissible, you would have to turn the mother -- over to another -- turn them over to another border patrol agent, and that agent would do the interview. if they do not have a credible fear, that person has an appeals right within 10 days. this process would start much quicker and we would be able to move these people through the system a lot faster. line,chicago, democrats

rose, hello. caller: good morning what prompted this call was the border patrol. this guy is stating that nothing has changed in the last 30 years. nafta? he aware of does he realize russia is in venezuela, china is in venezuela? the governor from california was in el salvador last night. now, has he been to el salvador? i have a couple of questions that i need out. china is down. china realizes all of the ports , theare in central america triangle he is speaking of, and south america and mexico. chiquita, del monte,

dole. guatemala is the third-largest largest producer of bananas. host: we are running out of time. what would you like our guest to respond to? him to i would like respond to the size of central american countries. they are very small countries. when he says nothing has changed, the economics have changed immensely, tremendously. guest: let me be clear. i never said nothing has changed in the last 30 years. in the last 30 years, there has been a great deal of change. i said there is nothing that has changed in their economy since april of 2017. if you look from april of 2017, their economies have basically stayed flat. there are obviously going to be little ebbs and flows in the economy. but since 2017, very little has changed. in those three countries, i

never talked with venezuela because we are not dealing with venezuela right now. what we are dealing with is mostly guatemala, el salvador, and honduras. claims have to be for a fear. not for economic purposes. let's be clear about that. you have to have a fear that you are going to face persecution or harm or possibly death. if you look again at guatemala, the crime in guatemala has actually gone down since april of 2017. so again, i am comparing it to when we have 45-year lows to what we currently face now. there has been very little change. we do not understand why this complete and total influx of illegal immigration right now him as opposed to just two years ago. host: here is rick from idaho, republican line. caller: good morning, c-span, pedro. brandon, you guys are doing a great job.

-- the reference code is -- the last few pages identify how much money spent on -- divided by 66 years, you get an annual average. i know you're always up against these issues, so brandon, take it to the president and tell him with $6 billion, we direct, build the president wall, which will minimize illegal immigration into america. when you point out that the democrats spent $948 million -- host: thank you very much. guest: what the administration has to do, if congress is not going to ask, the administration has to look at the current authority, to say what is it we can do to try to control this crisis that is what the administration is currently

trying to do. what we are seeing however, in the ninth circuit, things get bogged down, and we have to get the supreme court to give a final ruling. host: would elite -- would it alleviate the issue at all if the focus was on ports of entry? guest: 90% of the illegal alien outsidesions take place the ports of entry, not at the point of entry. beingmore drugs are smuggled in through the ports of entry. i will not minimize the ports of entry. those ports are extremely important to our country. the amount of commerce that comes through there, the amount that takes place, the good that it does to our economy -- we have to absolutely focus on the ports of entry. but as far as illegal immigration goes, that is strictly a ports of entry issue. memphis,s is lisa from

tennessee, independent line. caller: i was just wanting to ask why we are not fixing the issues that are making people flee? instead of throwing people at the problem without a plan and disrupting the processes we have in place, why don't we go to the core of the issue and try to fix the problem within countries? we are already giving them aid. cutting aid is not going to help. you see it in the court systems with separation. the cases are coming back against the government. why aren't we fixing these? guest: if you look at what in aor harris, yesterday hearing, she said we should not be cutting aid, we should be giving more aid. if there was a metric to determine that the aid is doing x, i do not think people would disagree. the problem is the vast majority of the aid going to these

countries are not making it to the people. they are going to enrich the politicians of those countries. we would not be having this issue if both government -- if those governments were not as corrupt as they are. if we are sending aid to corrupt governments, the aid is not going to make it to the people. host: democrats line, lewis, in north carolina. caller: i heard you say earlier about the republicans and the democrats need to get on the board about the wall. my understanding, you guys in the repair -- you guys have the republicans had it for two years and nothing was done about the wall. and what happened to the children? inre was children separated 2017. aret now, 2000 or more unaccounted for. has anybody tried to look into the status of them? have they reunited them with their family members? how many children are left now

that we know of that have not been reunited? guest: i can appreciate the question. unfortunately, that is not my purview. the border patrol is not the one that can handle the preparation issue. -- the separation issue. we turn them over, and the separation takes place there. i am not an expert on this particular topic, but it is my understanding the vast majority of those children have in fact been reunited. there are some that have not, the vast majority have in fact been reunited. i cannot speak to the complete process of the family separation because that is not what the purdue -- with the border patrol deals with. host: is stephen miller the main driver of immigration policy in the white house? guest: he is not. the final decision is always with the president. several immigration -- several individuals are dealing with immigration. jared kushner is dealing with immigration from a business end. stephen miller is not the

be-all, end-all. host: he is the lead, then? guest: he is the lead on bringing issues up, but he is not the decision-maker. host: let's hear from ed, on our line from republicans, west virginia. we are short on time, so jump right in. caller: i am second-generation spaniard, born and raised in the napa valley. neither side has this right. i know when illegal immigration happened in the valley, and it is a terrible place to grow up. helped start the napa valley, and he was pushed out. host: you are going to have to finish up. i apologize, only because we are running really short on time. we have heard the president

mentioned over and over comments on the border. guest: what he was doing was, he was threatening economic sanctions. if you close down the ports of entry, you are going to hit the pocketbook, which is the main place to hit when countries are not helping you out. so that threat went a long way. mexico is doing a lot more, which is what the president demanded. those threats actually worked very well. host: our guest has been brandon judd, who serves as a border patrol agent. he is also the president of the national border patrol council, talking about issues regarding immigration and border security. thank you for your time. coming up, the house of representatives is just about to come in. taking a look at internet issues as well as other things. we invite you to go to our website. we will take you to the house of representatives. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its

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