on c-span at 11:20 a.m. eastern, president trump and vice president pence speak of the national rifle association's annual meeting in indianapolis. that 1:00, the national press club hears from panera bread founder ron cshaich. a c-span2, fbi director christopher wray talks about national security threats. that is at 8:30 a.m. eastern. after that, a look at the impact of ukraine's recent presidential election, followed by a discussion on the future of social security. on c-span3, foreign policy experts discuss china's attempt to engage with the americas. that is at 9:00 a.m. eastern. coming up on today's "washington journal," we take a look at oil pipeline safety and energy infrastructure with brigham mccown. then bob keefe talks about the future of green jobs.

ther, kristen clarke of lawyers committee for civil rights under law joins us to discuss the rise in hate crimes and white nationalism. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ everyone. morning, we are talking with republicans only about the road to the white house in 2020. do you support or oppose a primary challenge the president trump? bill weld is the only declared candidate, but larry hogan and former ohio governor john kasich are considering entering the race. .op voters only this morning if you support a primary challenge, dial in at 202-748-8000. if you oppose, 202-748-8001. you can join us on twitter as well at @cspanwj or you can join the conversation on facebook.com/cspan.

we will get to your thoughts in a minute. republicans only. we will start with bill weld in his announcement earlier this month saying he would challenge president trump. [video clip] state,ransformed to the won reelection with the largest margin ever in massachusetts, bill weld made history. today we need bill weld more than ever because america deserves better. because hewar hero was captured. i like people that weren't captured. i don't know what i said, i don't remember. and mexico will pay for the wall. weak,ul, dangerous, and some of the words lawmakers on both parties are describing -- are using to describe president trump's remarks today. >> when you are a star, they let you do it, you can do anything. grab them by the -- knock the crab out of them, --

crap, out of them, would you? you can see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever there were very fine people on both sides. i love wikileaks. i know nothing about wikileaks. >> america has a choice, new hampshire, 2019. a better america starts here. ♪ bill weld for president. join us. >> i am bill weld and i approve this message. host: bill weld the only declared candidate so far. as we said, larry hogan, the current governor of maryland along with larry kasich are thinking about challenging the president. here is how the trump 2020 campaign press secretary responded to weld's primary challenge. [video clip] >> how seriously is the president's campaign taking a challenge by build weld -- will

weld? >> not seriously at all. the national committee said there is no primary challenge, they support president trump and what they are saying is reflecting what will probably can voters have told us, president trump has the highest own party approval ratings with one exception, president bush during 9/11. our voters have sent a pretty clear message they stand with the president. the rnc has reflected that. we are unconcerned. >> the rnc and the president are not even entertaining an idea of a primary debate? >> not at all. we are focused on the democrats and the running of socialism we see on the horizon. host: republicans only, do you support a primary challenge to the president? ed, you support, tell us why. caller: there are a couple of reasons. i have always voted republican, it is a character issue to me.

the president is always a liar, i don't know when to believe and when not to believe. i think it would be good for him to stand up against another republican and let's hear them both out and see how the president does and how the other republican does in a primary. i had best wishes for the president when he started. there are just too many things he has done and said. i don't know when to believe him and when not to believe him. host: you did vote for him in 2016? caller: yes, i did. host: when did it change for you? caller: one of my kids voted democrat and told me at the beginning. young -- he, he is is a liar. i said -- i think it was over a two or three year period, there was not anything specific, one item that changed me. even now i am always hopeful

that he does something consistently, but it is sad and it is the people he surrounds himself with. not all of them, some of them do good jobs, but they all seem to have left. i would like to see someone else challenge him and step up. it hasn't been any one thing. i think the bottom line is character. host: when you look at the two considering along with bill weld, would you vote for one of them? would, yes,obably although i have not looked that closely. i listened to weld announcement of running and i forgot host: who the other person. they are on your screen. caller: maryland, maryland. i would give them very serious consideration. i think the president has advantage running in the primary because of his money and backing. he is excellent calling people out. it is like being in seventh

grade. all the different names he calls people. i don't like it, but i am saying he is so good. i don't know why he is so good. that is an element of character. it wasn't right away, i am still wishing he has done well. he has done some good things. he talks about how he has deregulated everything, but to be honest with you, are these the reason things are going well because of what he has done? it is a matter of character and trust. , michigan, you oppose a primary challenge. hi, george. caller: yes, good morning. i have been watching c-span for 40 years, it came out in 1979. host: yep. caller: i don't think i have ever seen one person host the show five days in a row.

i have to ask you, did you win the bet or lose the bet? host: i am not sure. [laughter] we are just trying a different format for a while. caller: all right. donald trump is an interesting character. he has some good ideas, he just does not know how to implement them. he is like the bully that needs to be punched in the nose. how do you judge him? who knows. the only person i ever vote for all the time on every election is me because i am the only person i can trust that will represent my views. five days in a row for you, good wonyou, i hope that you the bet and brian lamb gives you a raise anna company car. ash and a company car. host: i will play this for him later. we will go to joe. caller: greta, love c-span.

i have been calling the network 40 years. i think trump is the greatest leader in history. i am a big stockmarket man, my stock portfolio has done great, disney hit a new high. people from all over the country are coming up to me and saying joe, we support trump. i am so fired up about trump, i have a hard time sleeping at night. i am going to run to the polls and cast my vote for donald john trump and our great senator david alfred produce. --perdue. host: maryland governor larry hogan is testing the waters and he is a popular governor. he ranks second among the nation's governors as the most popular. he was in new hampshire recently, earlier this week, where he is considering a bid,

obviously new hampshire is second in the country to vote and here is what he had to say about the need for a primary challenge against the president. [video clip] >> i happen to believe if you are supportive of the president, not supportive, i believe debate and discussion and talking about the issues is good. i think having the ability to have different viewpoints is good, that is why the stifling of debate and the rnc cutting off any discussion is bad. it could make him a stronger candidate and maybe -- instead of waiting until the fall to see who he will run against. i think the more the merrier. we have 20 people on the democratic side and we will be hearing about that for the next year and a half or until they select somebody in august of next year, but we have nobody on the other side. i want to thank bill weld for stepping up and i think others ought to consider it as well. i am really concerned.

in maryland, we won in this very blue state and we won because i won suburban women overwhelmingly. no other republicans in america are doing that. i am for building the republican party into a bigger tent that .an appeal to more people i think we are doing the opposite right now. i think the republican party is shrinking, the base, down to only a certain percentage of white males and you are not going to win elections. having more voices saying more things and showing the republican party does have diverse thought and we are not monolithic i think is very healthy for the party and the country. i am hoping others will consider it as well. host: larry hogan earlier this week. if you missed his comments, go

to our website, c-span.org.\ linda, you oppose the idea of the maryland governor opposing the president and anybody else. it is your turn. itler: yeah, i oppose because i feel it would be a waste of time and make the other individual look bad, mainly that is a waste of time. , hehe caller from virginia says trump lies all the time, they all live. why would trump even get involved in what goes on in washington, d.c. with all the corruption? why would he get involved if he was in it for himself? legitimate.s as a middle-class person, i noticed a ray -- pay on my retirement for my husband. i know a raise and pay. i think it would be a waste of

time. i think it would be a waste of time for anybody to run against him. approvalk at his numbers among republicans, 79%, this poll taken by reuters. this is after the mueller report is released. independents, 37% and among democrats, 12%. dominic in new york, you support a primary challenge. good morning, tell us why. caller: why? because i want to hear about the policies. first of all, i love trump, but i am worried about medicare and social security. i have been working since 1967. my wife has been working since 1978. away,ats want to take it we need to have a debate, not because i am not going to vote for him, but we want it on the forefront, what is happening over here?

we have to take care of medicare and social security. i have an uncle only five years older than me and he had heart surgery a couple weeks ago. something went wrong and they said 8:00 in the morning we have to go back, change the wire, this, that, i call the next day and -- to find out how it was and he just went down for procedure and it was 5:00. healled my cousin paul and said somebody had a heart attack and they made me -- made him wait for hours, it was a homeless guy. i am not saying the homeless guy should not have been taken care of, but i am worried about medicare and social security. and you are the winner. have a great day. host: you support primary challenge? caller: yes, i certainly do. i would love to see john kasich run. i liked him last time around. i don't think i ever really

believed donald trump would win, but i did vote for him. i am sorry that i did. i really regret that decision. i don't trust him. host: when did you begin to regret that decision? caller: the biggest regret i had was when i saw him standing next helsinki and when he intelligence, the fbi, nsa, i thought that was so disrespectful to our country and he even said i came up with a great idea, he could question our guys and we could question his. i thought, is he crazy? and then all of the lying and the lying and the lying. i cannot stand it. i am ready to vote democrat.

i am ready to go and change my party affiliation. i don't know if anybody could come and step forward to oppose him and i hope they do. i have one question that does not have to do with this, but i have a question for a journalist . you know how you are always pointing out to people, you guys and doesand fake news this at all he's -- his rallies, could you guys for once say pack up your cameras and all walk away? all leave? he wants the media, he wants the attention. if this happened once or twice, he would probably shut up and bite his tongue a little bit more to see people are not going to put up with that. if you don't want us here, we don't want to cover you anyway. i would love to see that happen. with usdro echevarria

this morning with more on campaign 2020. host: reporting this morning about joe biden's strategy to win south carolina, he hired a democratic strategist who will serve as the state director. he has done campaign work for barack obama and he was dispatched to alabama to help doug jones win his special election. other reports about hiring, the biden campaign hired michelle creatore former figures -- a figure skater. she will serve as a strategy person. washington examiner reporting that story and you heard about the president traveling to wisconsin on saturday, the journal sentinel has a story taking a look at why the president chose that state. he has to win people who may be are not totally supporting him at this point and that is one of the reasons he is holding that

rally on saturday. make america great rally it has been described. host: the hale newspaper recently had an article about the fundraising the trump victory campaign is doing. the headline reads trump campaign manager says 2020 team plans to spend at least $1 billion on his reelection bid and he has been doing a lot of fundraising as well. kathy in delaware, you oppose a primary challenge. caller: most definitely. first of all, no one is going to beat donald trump. let's talk about larry hogan. they are going to say larry who if he decides to get in the race, which he is not going to do. he gave himself so much credit for creating jobs in maryland and reducing taxes, et cetera, and their economic rebound, he did not give donald trump credit for anything for the success in

maryland or the rest of the country. he needs to stay in his lane, he needs to clean up baltimore, the current mayor's officers were -- offices were raided yesterday by the fbi and irs, they have a total scandal. his hoagie needs to stay in lane and take care of business in maryland because he needs to do that. host: robin in pennsylvania, you also oppose. i think president trump is doing a good job. i don't see any of the ones talking about challenging president trump and i am very disheartened when people call in and say about the lies trump has said, they have got to get their news from just cnn and msnbc because that is all they say day after day, this man is fighting for this country.

with all these people saying every day for 24 hours seven days a week that he is this, he is that, it is totally ridiculous and john kasich, i hope to god he is not going to do it because he could not get .ny other state but ohio i hope no matter who tries to run against trump, he is going to win and i really hope to god that they change their mind. if they don't, it doesn't matter, because trump will win. host: a little history for you all on primary challenges to an incumbent. pat buchanan ran against presidents george h. w. bush in 1992 and ronald reagan ran against gerald ford in 1976. here is pat buchanan in 1991 announcing his primary challenge to then president george h w. [video clip] > he is a globalist and we are nationalists.

republic. in the old he would put america's wealth and power at the service of some new mother vague -- some vague new world order. we will put america first. to take my party back and take our country back, i am, today, declaring my candidacy for the republican nomination for president of the united states. [applause] host: of course, many of you remember buchanan's impact on that race won the primary, but lost the general election to bill clinton. here is ronald reagan at the 1976 republican convention after contesting and losing to gerald ford. [video clip] >> this is our challenge and this is why here in this hall tonight, better than we have ever done before, we have got to

quit talking to each other and about each other and go out and communicate to the world that we may be fewer in number than we have ever been, but we carry the message they are waiting for, we must go forth from here united, greatined, at what a general set a few years ago is true, there is no substitute for victory [applause] only thisblicans morning, do you support or oppose a primary challenge to president trump? stephen, you support in new york, go ahead. caller: i support in the -- in a way. i am on the fence on it. it might help grow the party a little bit. on the others of the coin, it helps democrats because it lets them know pretty much what trump is thinking about them. that becomes an issue and gives

them more covert to hide behind the lies they will put out. as far as the putin thing goes. on one side of the coin, trump wants to be friends with putin to avoid conflicts with putin. by having -- it is hard to say whether or not we should or should not have debate on it. i think the trump rallies are good for the country that he is doing. hopefully other presidents will be able to do rallies like he does. i don't know whether we should have a primary that much. thank you for your time. host: barbara, new jersey, support. hi, barbara. caller: good morning, greta. i am just calling to let you know i really support president

trump. i think he is doing good for america and as far as the other people, they are so far left. if they could only stop being so far left. president trump, i really feel he is going to be our president again. please, all these people that put him down, if they could only listen to the things he has done good for our country and please let him just do another term. make an -- make america great again. i really hope people come to their senses. host: barbara saying she opposes a primary challenge. if you support somebody challenging president trump, dial in at 202-748-8000. if you oppose this idea of somebody running against the president, 202-748-8001 is your number. john, springfield, illinois, you

oppose a primary challenge. caller: yes, i do. host: you are on the air, john. tell us why. caller: yes, i do oppose. host: okay. caller: we don't need any more complications with president trump. he needs a clear path as far as the republican side of it goes and as far as the democratic side goes, they don't have anybody who can defeat president trump. biden is a joke, he spent his entire life in politics, he .asn't done anything a self-mademp is man. he got a small loan from his dad, but look what he made of it. he does have bankruptcies, but that is what happens. he is a self-made man. if we don't secure the border,

this country will look like tijuana in 40 years. we need to wake up. host: you are supporting somebody getting in this race to challenge the president. so far it is bill weld. caller: i do support someone getting into the race to challenge him. i love donald trump, i think he is the best thing since sliced bread. what worries me is what comes after him. pence is a good man and i think he can do the job. we need someone to call it like it is. trump haslieve donald friends in the republican party he i don't believe -- doesn't have friends in the democratic party. all of them borrowed money from him over the years because he is a self-made man. the problem they have in america

is it is not just the white race, not just the black race, it is the hispanic, the asian, this country is a melting pot. the problem we have at the border is we cannot allow so many people to come in, jobs going to china, the gentleman is right, it is not only 40 years, it is here now. work.day i was off i got behind in a neighborhood that was predominantly black-and-white and i followed the school bus, four stops before i was able to turn, there was not one single white or black kid getting off that bus. this is a town i lived in for 40 years. l.a.ed in chicago, miami, 40 years ago, you could walk down the streets and the only ethnic background you would see would be a black family or a white family, you did not see it until the japanese came and

built nissan. now you are seeing all kinds. within two miles of my neighborhood i can take you to an asian community, kurdish community. it is doing what he is supposed to do at the border. host: pedro echevarria with a news update. host: rod rosenstein making remarks in new york city talking about the mueller report. these comments were made before the public servants dinner of the armenian bar association. someone selectively leaked details to the news media, jim comey announced that there was a counterintelligence investigation that might result in criminal charges and the former fbi director alleged the president pressured him to close the investigation. michigan, the senate -- state

senate is reacting to a decision about gerrymandering in their state saying less than two hours after a panel of judges declared the districts were gerrymandered, mike sharkey announced the senate would appeal to the supreme court "the senate is reviewing the details and we will file an appeal. we will compare to comply with this ruling while we await the outcome of the appeal." eric holder has an op-ed in the washington post taking a look at an earlier case heard by the supreme court taking a look at the trump administration's interest in putting a citizenship question in the census. he writes republicans will likely attempt to use citizenship data to shift power to their political base within the states. the supreme court decision left on answered whether states could draw congressional and state legislative districts based on the total number of citizens,

not total population. he writes more about that decision. the supreme court did record the back-and-forth between the justices and those arguing for and against this. you can hear that tomorrow night c-span.org,ne at you can listen on the radio app. host: tonight at 8:00 p.m. is when you can hear that oral argument. dean in kentucky, you oppose. i wanted to ask pedro one last point. i hit the wrong one. host: you support a primary challenge, why? caller: yes. it's all about character. i heard donald trump talk about the v.a. yesterday and it is not good. vietnam, donald trump got drafted and he did not

want to go to vietnam, he did not want to fight for his country. 2020 president trump's campaign manager sat down for an interview recently and this is the he had to say about trump strategy for 2020. [video clip] >> i definitely think we are looking at a billion-dollar operation. on our side, we are clearly on the way to raise small dollars and large bundling dollars. around well this myth can't find good people and people don't want to work for us, we have received a great amount of applications for -- from talented people. there is one left in the data department, but i don't want to give that one up. we have a great communications director, great finance director, we are already running powerful executive staff and leadership staff running.

heavy mix has always been tv spending, brent -- print spending, what is the mix? what do you think the general idea of the mix? is it skewed more toward the internet? >> previous campaigns, previous run, 50% trump's 2016 it was nearly parity. i would think even if we are spending 400 million or 500 million, that will continue. we have probably already spent 30 some million dollars on digital already. it is cheaper now to get a voter now than later. bye election day, we will probably have already spent $100 billion on digital -- 100 --

$100 million on digital. host: bernie supports the idea in raleigh, north carolina. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. let me say this. for the last election, i trusted trump. i thought he is -- he was going to throw a monkeywrench into the elite establishment and make america great again. i am just a regular guy, i am in sales and i thought that the whole economy would change across the spectrum. here we are four years later and i have to say, he lied. i am no better off. my friends who are regular workers are no better off, the midwest, the electoral college, no better off. this year, if i don't have someone to challenge him on the outside, i am voting for bernie because he makes the most sense.

by the way, i am pay $387 for a bottle of diabetic medicine, there are a lot of issues i like makesernie and he just more sense. host: health care for you your top issue? caller: i am sorry? yeah, absolutely. i think health care is a top issue for what we call human beings because if we are not at health, we are dead. health has to be the top issue for everyone regardless of party, would you agree? host: you voted for the president in 2016, how did you vote in the midterm elections in 2018? caller: i did not. host: you stayed home? caller: yeah. let me put it to you this way. for the last 40 years, there have been 6 consecutive presidents that has saved -- that have saved the rich, rich

companies. i am what you call an old-fashioned republican. i don't go for other type stuff, which i won't get into. that is why i go for trump because he promised the midwest was going to regain what it had. ask anyone in the midwest if they are better off in the answer is hell no. bernie sanders is the only person running that saw actual people. in theet's go to bill midwest, you oppose a primary challenge. hi, bill. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am opposed to a primary challenge and what a lot of people don't understand, president trump won the election because of people like john kasich and bill weld, jeb bush, they are establishment republicans, globalists, they may have just as well had a d

after their name as an r. they are not going to take votes after -- away from president trump, my opinion. host: edwin, north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i want somebody to run against donald j. trump because if trump was not president right now, he whatding the coattails of president obama carved up as far as our -- our economy is concerned, first. secondly, donald -- donald j. trump skirts the law about three quarters of an inch. nothing happens to him between the central park five, trump tower, hiring polish workers illegally. they have asbestos. he is not going to get my vote and other republicans vote the way he is coming across. thirdly, if you don't think obstruction of justice definition is not what the mueller report is, i don't know

what is. at every turn, donald trump's staff tried to stop, do away, put a halt to that investigation. donald j. trump may not be the candidate in the election, he may be impeached. host: how did you vote in 2016? caller: i voted republican. host: you voted for president trump? caller: yes on the premise because he was the only candidate at the time that was, in my view, he is not a politician. i see what is going on now and everything -- i call president trump the teflon president, nothing sticks to him. now he wants to go to supreme court to stop impeachment hearings. if i have nothing to hide as a 60-year-old person who spent 40 years working for the federal government, i would not stop anything. at every turn.

and the only way he gets any kind of attention is to call sean hannity on fox at night to get his point across. i don't see him calling abc, cbs. and let me tell you, bernie sanders is going to be a strong person to run against him. host: as a republican, you would vote for bernie sanders? caller: that is correct because the fact of the matter is this whole thing with the mueller and his whole background, there are still clouds. host: i will leave it there so we can get more calls and i want to show you what bob corker had to say out of time magazine -- at a time magazine event earlier this week and this is why he thinks president trump will face a serious primary challenge. [video clip] >> classically, you could look at it and say it would be a good thing for our country should that occur from the standpoint of issues and if you had a real

primary where you had a someone that was really being listened to and of substance, these things we are talking about, and i can go through a list of them, they would actually be debated in a real way. that would be a good thing for our country. on the other hand, if you know it is a don quixote kind of exhibition where you kind of get crushed, first of all, no one is going to listen to the debate, if that is the case, because people look at it as -- at this point, it is hard to see that that is an effective route. >> are you considering adding into politics again? at 1:16 eastern time, i have no thoughts about -- [laughter] >> that was quite an open ended answer. >> a big part of my life was a

business person. i am returning to that and trying to figure out what that next passion in life is. host: one perspective from the former tennessee of 10 -- senator of tennessee. we spoke with ralph reed for newsmakers. he is the freedom coalition chairman and represents religious groups. he sat down for newsmakers. you can listen with the free c-span radio app or go to c-span.org and this is what he said -- he does not think there should or will be a primary challenge to the president. [video clip] >> my read is there is just no market for a primary opponent to the president. it is a free country and if , they areants to run certainly able to do so. bill weld has already jumped in and i know there are others that are looking at it. i think, i believe it was a recent survey that has to

president with a 93% job approval rating among republicans. that is one of the higher numbers, but even some of the media polls have his job approval among republicans somewhere between 83% and 88%. those are historically very high numbers. host: ralph reed our guest for newsmakers this sunday. john in virginia, you support this idea of somebody going head-to-head with the president in the primaries, why? caller: i do, good morning. i am a 60-year-old white man and i consider myself a buckley conservative. i voted for john kasich in the primary and wrote him in for the presidential election because i am a republican and i wanted to vote for a republican, but i thought trump was an absurd candidate.

i thought he conducted his life i didery messy way, so not want to look back and tell my grandkids i voted for trump. that said, i think he has done some good things. he has shored up defense spending and his rhetoric about our military is positive, but i am concerned about the way he comes across. i don't know if he is a racist or not, but his rhetoric is divisive. because he is the leader of my party, i am afraid he taints republicans, and particularly those of us in the party who are white and male, as being racist. i am not. i am a free marketeer, i believe in a meritocracy and i believe we are this elting pot. i am concerned he is slowly degrading respect for the republican party by himself and by the rhetoric. that is my thought. host: before you go, who would

you like to see challenge him? caller: i don't like weld because i think he is a little bit too liberal for me. i do like john kasich. john kasich talk some -- talks too much. he should make his point and be quiet and he thinks highly of himself. i would vote for kasich again and i also think larry hogan is a good candidate. it is hard enough to follow virginia politics, so i cannot possibly follow maryland politics, but he does seem to have that support in maryland, a deeply blue state, impresses me. host: if they don't challenge him or bill weld drops out and it is president trump versus a democrat, would you consider ever voting for a democrat? caller: no, never for president. i voted for owen pickett, a represent it in for norfolk, he was a very fine man and a democrat, but for president i will never vote for a democrat

because i think they are very soft on defense and security matters. host: you would write in somebody else or would you vote for the president? caller: i would, unless he changes his rhetoric, i won't vote for him. i can't. virginia, pedro echevarria with news on north korea this morning. host: time magazine picks up a rmbier.bout otto wa north korean officials billed the united states to million million medical bill before releasing him. no money was paid to north korea not $2o warmbier, million, not anything else. foroon went back to battle

sergeant bergdahl. he quotes the negotiator saying president donald j. trump is the greatest hostage negotiator i many inwn, 20 hostages, impossible circumstances have released in the last two years, no money was paid. host: back to our conversation with all of you, beth in north carolina, you oppose a primary challenge. caller: yes, i oppose it because the republicans are their own worst enemy. you have heard a lot of people calling in that are basically republican in name only claiming to be conservative. they don't get it, we need another four years to get more conservative judges on the supreme court because when and if, if and when these democrats get back in power, they are not going to play by the rules, they are already talking about they

want to add more justices, expanded from the current number . republicans, this is not about republicans versus democrats, it is the future of this country. we are either going to be a country that supports individualism or we are going to go the way of europe. we are going to become socialist and the end game is going to be communism. that is what is at stake in this country. i am 68 years old, i am sick and tired of watching these republicans destroy themselves. they cannot seem to get together and support the candidate. host: what would you do? caller: that is why i oppose this. host: what would you do to help reelect the president? will you campaign? caller: let me tell you what i have done already. i am putting my money where i am where my mouth is.

i am living on a $15,000 a year income and i have donated to toe, as of january 1, $300 the republicans, that is a lot of money for me. i have never donated to a campaign in my entire life, but i am doing this. every time i send in a check, i have the pictures of my grandchildren in front of me because i wanted them to have the america i had. america is great and we want to keep it great. that is how i am dealing with this whole thing. host: for beth and others, this is what the former massachusetts governor bill weld said on cnn recently about why he believes the president should have a challenger. [video clip] >> i think president trump has lost the capacity to govern. the picture painted by volume 2 of the mueller report is someone who cannot be trusted and his own people know he cannot be trusted and he cannot even be

obeyed when he gives a direct order, that is a picture of complete malfeasance and nonfeasance and the question is who can govern. i suggest to you president trump is so filled with anger in his own head, they said that we are really scared of is the president's wrath. president frankly acts almost all the time like a spoiled child. he had no experience, no preparation for the office. if you read the first half --it paints that picture vividly. at the same time, they were shocked and horrified when they won the election and realized they were going to be over their heads and it has gotten worse. host: virginia, we are talking with republicans only, you support the idea of a challenger. yes, i do, i think donald trump can handle any challenger that comes along. host: why do you think he should

have one? caller: because if someone is going to challenge him, i think he is up to the challenge. also about his language and his speech, if you look at past presidents, donald trump could be considered a saint. with thet he is doing country is amazing considering all the rhetoric from the democrat party. they are out after him, they would cut his throat if they could, but the man is phenomenal. he should go on leading like he is and fight them to the bitter end. host: how has your life improved under this president? a senior and,

actually, i am doing fine the way i am. there is not too much he has done for seniors, i can say that, but i don't care about that, i am more concerned about our country. i would like to see him improve things for seniors and not to mess with medicare. other than that, i think the man is phenomenal. for what he has been through, the country is in great shape and i think democrats -- i think they are terrible. i think they have no morals whatsoever. host: virginia's thoughts and pennsylvania. you will hear from the president saturday night 8:00 p.m. in eastern, he will hold a rally and you can watch that here or listen with the radio app.

way, that isy the in green bay, wisconsin. let's go to pedro with more information. host: the website ocala.com reports the florida senate is set to move forward on legislation previously passed by the house that would send a sanctuary city ban to governor ron desantis. chamber 69-47, expected to come up in a vote in the senate forces state and government -- local agencies to cooperate with federal. based in boltsur -- boston, massachusetts, a story saying a middlesex judge and court orders -- officer facing charges for helping

someone avoid arrest by immigration officers. they are accused of helping defend an undocumented immigrant slip out a back door of the district court while a customs enforcement agent waited to arrest him. more of that at the website wbur. host: nick in illinois, you oppose somebody challenging the president in 2020, why? inler: the rnc has put pretty stringent rules, i think it would be a waste of time on their part. i think it would be better suited if we locked arms and .ought democrats i just don't think it would be wise. they put in some pretty strict rules at the rnc, if they want to take it on, trump took down hillary clinton, she is supposed to be the most talented and most experienced. i heard a guy from virginia concerned about trump's rhetoric

and his livelihood and what he has done in his life. i would like to see that guy's internet search engine history because i guarantee it is dirtier than what comes out of trump's mouth. democrats, based on what i have seen, i am not voting for them. we have democrat control in illinois, i have called several times talking about it, especially to you. i don't think it would be good, it is a waste of time. host: this is what politico recorded in december 2018 about the republican national committee and the trump campaign working together, the trump reelection campaign and the rnc will merge their field into a joint output. minimizesrces, and staff overlap and the kind of infighting that marked the 2016

relationship between the trump campaign and the party. while a splintered field of democrats vote for nominate -- fight for nomination, they will seek an organizational advantage. the act of formerly tying the reelection campaign to the resource rich national party will make it only harder for would be republican opponents to mount a bid. olivia, ohio, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am fine, what do you think? you oppose a challenge. caller: i oppose only because i think it would, honestly, be a waste of time, energy, and funds . there was, according to the mueller report, proven electoral interference from the russians .nd whoever

at this point, trump wants to win, he is going to win by any means necessary. host: norman, oklahoma, you also oppose. caller: how are you? host: fine. caller: yes, i oppose. it is going to be a futile attempt and i hate to see people waste money and time. havee that the democrats 20, they have a circling firing squad, let's watch them eat their own. i don't see how anyone could wantfor a democrat, they 16-year-olds to vote. i have a 16-year-old, he cannot pick the right clothing to wear to school every day. they know they are not going to change any conservative's mind. voters,t to import new open the border to sanctuary cities. i feel sorry for those people

living in sanctuary cities. you cannot walk anywhere without needles everywhere. his taxesto look at and everything for the past 6, 8 years, i don't want to look at trump's taxes, he made millions and donated every dollar he made to charity. host: how do you know that, norman? caller: because he has not taken a paycheck. he has not taken a paycheck for his wages, salary. host: as president? caller: you bet. i would like to look at some of these democrats retiring tax returns because they came and were serving the people and made their millions that way. they have brother-in-law's that own companies that get subsidized. they have been keeping his head in a foxhole with all this

incoming fire, impeachment, collusion, all of this. i am glad that is over and they need to start looking the other way because i guarantee there is some underhanded deeds done by that fusion gps and all that, it goes all the way to obama. host: john is next in pennsylvania. good morning. caller: i am calling because i think there should be a challenge because he would get more tv time, there would be more time for him to be publicized on his challenge. i helped with the campaign in 2015 and 2016. this campaign will be a lot harder, there is more anger on the left and i think -- he is going to win, but it is going to be more of a challenge to win compared to 2016 because no one thought president trump was going to win in 2016.

people i spoke to, i sat -- i sat with a lot of people in restaurants and diners and they want president trump to win in 2016. this time, he is going to win, but it is going to be more of a challenge and the biggest thing i think is going to be -- for the united states is going to be religion, christians and the muslims because that is the biggest issue, yes, we need health care, we need jobs, but the biggest problem right now is christianity and the muslim situation. host: you said it is going to be a challenge for the president, is it going to be a challenge because of what he has said and done as president? caller: no, he did everything he said. go back and listen, he did want the wall, he kept fighting. he had so much of a challenge with the mueller situation.

he had to do all of that, plus he had to get what he wanted to do with the country, he is doing whatever he can and to change the rules and everything, it is not easy, he wants to bring jobs back and people don't understand that. if you have jobs in the united states, you have more money coming in, people can go out to eat, spend money, that is the biggest issue. host: i am going to move on to alan in ohio, what do you think? caller: absolutely i think there should be a challenger because that is what makes this country strong and by learning the things people don't like with the current president and every president, nobody is perfect, at that point, they learn what the public really wants and what they expect so they can change their views and direction. it becomes important to make sure we have challengers be it democrat, republican,

independents, or anybody. we need that to let the politicians know what we can accept or not accept. we have gone to a point in this country where we want to be vindictive and point fingers at people. we live in a glass house, we accuse many people of doing the same thing that we are doing in this country, we have done it to other countries. we need a president and every president needs a challenger. host: larry in tennessee, you oppose the idea. knowr: well, i did not which number i was getting, but it does not make much difference one way or the other, the competition will be good. i am more than satisfied with president trump. the democrats in my area were the ones that told me they were voting for trump and i could not understand all of that and then

whenever trump came in, he had a bunch of was on. i will be voting for trump again and i would like to apologize to amerco for bob corker. would not -- two america for bob corker. would not vote for him again. most of the news media goes to bob corker and we do not want to see him go anywhere else. host: lane is watching in houston, texas, you agree with a primary challenge. to the i want to respond character that said trump was not prepared for the presidency. i would suggest he go back and read the memoirs of harry s truman. when mr. truman took over, he

did not have a clue about the atomic bomb. host: so your point? caller: i am saying, don't be so hard on trump about being prepared as president. host: john in florida, good morning. caller: i appreciate c-span. trump has shown what he can do and has done. impeached whenot he was in, no one really cared. if they could put clinton back in, they can put trump in. massachusetts,m you oppose the idea of a primary challenge. caller: absolutely. welch when hell ran for governor. i also think that this is the democratic fate, the blue states

cannot even win his own state if he managed to get trump and get on the republican ticket. hogan, who also is from a blue state, it would be handing the presidency over to the democrats, period. with a socialist society, and i don't want that. i voted republican for president. it's never counted. it does not matter who i vote for because the state will never vote for a republican president. host: a reminder to turn down your television, listen and talk through your phone. wade in edgefield, south carolina. caller: i would oppose all republicans against trump other than trey gowdy. he is a bulldog we could use as

president over trump. i voted for trump, but if he was to run, i would not vote for trump. i would vote for him. host: what does mr. gaudi have that you do not think mr. trump's? caller: he has straightforward bulldog in him that what i think come heads up with the democrats and really show them for what they are. forp takes a lot of advice -- from a lot of people. i do not think gowdy would do that. i think he would stick to his own, very stone president. he is the only one i would vote for over trump. georgia,k in agusta, tell us your thoughts. caller: i need to qualify this by saying i am not imposed in theory to trump having a primary

challenger because any kind of adversity makes him stronger. that is good for anybody. i personally would not vote for any of them. the field that is shaping up now, hogan, kasich, a pathetic loser, weld, another week republican. trump continues to win because he is reminiscent of u.s. grant. grant was not particularly elegant but he kept fighting. trump is the only guy in my lifetime -- and i was born in the middle 70's -- to be governed -- democrats. beat is nobody else -- to democrats. there is nobody else. them.f trump is the only guy i have

seen that fights the left and beats them. he is not effective enough because he does not beat them enough to suit me. there is nobody else running now. bring them on. he will chop them down. host: continuing this morning with republicans only, do you support or oppose the presidential challenge? trump: i am going for because i don't like these people, what they are talking about, letting the prisoners vote. another thing i don't like about trump, his vetting process, most of the people that he chose to are him in the presidency practically either in jail or going to jail. he has probably done the worst job of vetting, not just people. i would like for him to talk more about the swamp. that is where the problem is.

wells fargo ripped off the public so many ways until the consumer financial protection act finally went in. you know who was right underneath the headquarters? pelosi. i called and they would not say if she is on the board of directors are not. feinstein is right there. host: edward in manchester, connecticut. why do you like the idea of a primary challenge? caller: anybody should run for president. the more people that run, the more ideas we get from those people and it gives us more choices as to what we have to vote for. i think that the real problem that we have as a nation is that we are not a self governed citizens,our votes as

and the only way to keep corruption out of our government that the founding fathers put in place, instead of being put in place by the people for the people, it was put in place by the founding fathers for the founding fathers. if we randomly select a male and female to make it fair, independent, democrat, and republican, taxpaying, law-abiding citizen from each state, like we randomly select jurors and pay those people if they choose to serve their nation and their people, by voting on everything the representatives put up for vote. the representatives we elect into our seats of power will have the power of the purse and the power to put things on the floor up for vote for the american people to vote on,

tearing down the walls that divide us, working together as all americans should, making sure that everything that gets passed is good for our nation and all of us, not just some of us. no one will line their pockets before they run. and then behind closed door elected,fore they get and no one will benefit when they and up losing the seat of power. host: i have got to leave it there. usro has some details for about this weekend's white house correspondents dinner. guest: on saturday, you can watch it on c-span. no comedians. if you go to the pages of the website of roll call, a story and video about how food is prepared for the dinner. >> this year, there is going to

be an israeli couscous salad. >> with nearly 3000 guests, there is no such thing as too many cooks in the kitchen or too many vendors come already to lend a hand, and a bunch of fruits and vegetables. >> there will be things like tomatoes, onions, cucumber, mint, parsley. 27 -- 2800 plates. they will say we need 3000 of the red and yellow pears. 3000 of this. >> yellow pears, i found them. >> the same thing with asparagus. >> that is a lot in one room. when you are calculating how much you need for a plate, how do you do that? plates, divided by two. ron turn out, the special

guest on c-span tomorrow. host: marion and lakewood, new jersey, you are against a primary challenger. caller: yes, i am, because he already has done that when he ran. he just wiped them all out. i feel he is doing an excellent job. berniepeople that want or anybody from the democrats, they are looking for a communist country. they keep saying free, free, free. nothing is free. we are going to have to pay that with taxes. bernie even said it. the rich -- which he is one of them and should be paying -- and not only that, he said taxes, so we will get higher taxes with the democrats. they said he lies a lot. he may exaggerate.

he is not lying. name one lie that trump said that hurt our country, but i can tell you many that obama has lied about that has hurt us. host: we will leave it there and go on to paula in janesville, wisconsin, who supports a primary challenge. caller: i support a primary challenge and i support that into the future. otherwise, were not going to have people representing the low-end in this country who do their duties toward your rental assistance people and the police department. they do their best in what they can do. we are not properly represented by law. everybody has got a constitutional right out here, and it seems like we are being burned in secret in wisconsin.

, charlestown, rhode island. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't want to see any challenger. i don't think we need a challenger. i want to see every republican likee house and senate they have done before. we do not need paul ryan ann romney.- paul ryan and this president survived because there was a coup. and i want to, see what horwitz does with his reporting, because he has survived a jewish coup because these people are trying to protect themselves from the crimes they committed when obama was in office. that is what this is all about. host: why would you say jewish coup? caller: what i am saying is the

people who were in the office before under obama committed these crimes. host: that is anti-semitic what you just said. charles in cleveland, ohio, you oppose. caller: i called the wrong line. i called to object to the man who called from georgia saying just liked trump was ulysses s grant. i am quoting a book i saw from a program on c-span written by a professor at west point, a memoir of grant. if he would read that book, he would see how much different grant was from trump. don't equate trump with one of our nation's heroes. host: tell us how? caller: how was he different? host: if you can, quickly. caller: there are so many

things. ulysses s grant was not a racist. he was a thoughtful, caring man. he was not perfect. but, yous problems, would have to read the book. host: jenny in north carolina, you oppose. caller: no, i think it's good to have a challenge because then it gives trump a chance to remind people of everything he has done. i wish your station at one time would put all the things that trump has done because it just seems very democratic. host: give us a list right now that comes to mind is what he has done. caller: see, and that is what you do. you always ask the people and put them on the spot. the jobs, the taxes, the manufacturing. i think also, draining the swamp is a good thing.

he is bringing out a lot of corruption. he is trying to clean the system. i have never seen anybody more american than trump. anyone who says he is not for america is crazy. he has changed everything and he is strong. somebody else brought up about trey gowdy. he has kind of faded a little bit, and i want to see the republicans back strong. congress, we need a wall. we need to stop with this illegal immigration and the measles, maybe that is bringing in the measles. they are not being checked. a lot of things need to be done. you just get so tired of it. as far as the republicans, i would like to see them back trump. we need a better congress and people better get the right republicans and be careful who

they vote for. how romney got in again, i don't know. know.d mccain, i don't i want to see the gang of eight. i want to see the people who had the sex charges, i want to see what taxpayers paid covering up a lot of the sex scandals. waynei have to move on to in hanover, pennsylvania. caller: i just want to say something. this is more and more like fox tv. i am saying this -- the man has lied in many different ways. that just unbelievable these people think he is doing us a service. he is not. i don't have much more to say. i know one thing. things have got to change. really precarious

situation. i thank you, greta. trump, they think have got their opinions. call onat is our last the primary challenge to the president. we now go to cincinnati where brigham mccown one is joining us, a former senior advisor for the u.s. department of transportation. also founder and chair alliance of infrastructure. here to talk about safety infrastructure, remind viewers of the pipeline and hazardous materials safety commission, and your role when you worked there. pipeline and hazardous materials safety ,ommission, which is a mouthful has primary jurisdiction over energy transportation through the united states. 2.8 includes the nation's

2llion miles of pipeline and million shipments of hazardous materials each day by air, rail, and see. -- sea. host: explain what that entails. describe the infrastructure across our country that goes into what you were just outlining. guest: if you think of it this way, almost two thirds of the energy products we use in the country on a daily basis come to us through pipelines or other infrastructure, critically important. if we take a look at pipelines where they are used to heat our homes and businesses and provide electricity, it is the gasoline at the gas station, propane, all of this comes to us through pipelines. those 2.8 million miles are enough to wrap around the earth almost 100 times.

that may seem like we have plenty of pipelines, but just like highways, these underground energy highways connect us from where we are producing the materials to where we are using them. we are producing them in different areas than ever before, but it is an efficient system in use for over 100 years. trump'splain president outlook on pipelines. guest: the current administration's view is that people oppose the continuing yusuf also fueled, have moved to try to -- continuing use of fossil fuel, have moved to try to -- although i have mentioned, we have lots of pipelines, we are missing pipelines connecting us to where we are currently producing these fields. in order to do that, we have to build this infrastructure. if we do not have this

infrastructure, the materials will still make it to market. the trump administration's viewpoint is by blocking pipelines, you are undermining environmental safety because that forces these materials to travel by truck, rail, or ship. host: michael broome wrote this on april 12 -- today's executive orders are another attempt to pass.orporates a free states must be able to protect communities from the polluting corporations that threaten them and their waterways. theseerra club will fight with every tool at our disposal. guest: nobody wants to pollute the water, everybody wants to uphold the environmental laws. we are talking about the clean water act and the executive order signed by president is an attempt to make sure people

opposed to pipelines on ideological grounds cannot hold up these projects for years on end. that is a debate we will still have. the whole point behind the environmental review process is to make these projects better, to take a look at how they can be done better. it is not to say, i don't want this project and then sue for years in court when it does not turn out your way. we have to figure out a middle ground where we take concerns into account and still get the infrastructure we require belt. these are not optional -- built. these are not optional projects. host: what about the safety around the pipeline infrastructure? averageook at the between 2016 and 2018, there were 33 incidents, 10 fatalities and 69 injuries, on average.

first, respond to those numbers and talk about the safety issue. guest: any number is too large. the department of transportation and my former agency, our goal is zero accidents and leases. desh releases. -- releases. we got much better. accidents are continuing to trend downward, down 50% in the last 10 years. i can tell you pipelines or forms of energy transportation it 99.99 safe, but if affects you, that is not good enough. we have to do a better job. you are more than likely to be struck by lightning then to be affected by any of these energy products. until we stop driving cars and find other ways to heat our homes, we have to have the supplies. host: what goes into safety?

what checks are in place? guest: there are hundreds of federal inspectors, and then through the program of federalism, the federal government provides a lot of money back to the states that have their own safety programs as well. what goes into safety or the regulations, requirements to operate pipelines well below their design strengths, well below the maximum they could run at. retire -- requirements to periodically check them and have them inspected. we also audit pipeline companies, looking for things that are gaps in safety. these regulations in this protocol has emerged over 20 or 30 years of expertise. we are seeing new technology being developed, sensors using artificial intelligence that can

predict pipeline failures before they occur. we are looking at new way to stop people from interfering with pipelines. you dig is very important and critically special for pipelines. that is a great program we put in, but there is more we can do by utilizing gis mapping and other community -- computer technologies. host: what would safety look like if rather than using using trucksu are and railroads? guest: that is a good question. we certainly need trucks to go the last mile and need railroads ,or inaccessible areas especially with ethanol that needs to travel by rail because of its corrosive nature. if we did not have pipelines, we would all be paying double what we pay for energy.

some places last, some places more, but without pipelines we would have more spells. pike desh spills. -- spills. underground and the only form of transportation that is out of sight out of mind. it is a bad thing because we take it for granted. pipelines are a one-way transportation system and that makes it more efficient than something making a round-trip. would be experiencing unfortunately more environmental effects and injuries and deaths. host: you outlined what infrastructure looks like with 2.6 million miles of pipeline across the country. growth across the country? where is the biggest growth, i should say, across the country

for pipelines right now? guest: right now, we are producing a lot more energy products, especially crude oil from western texas. there are several new initiatives to bring oil to market. within the last several years, you have seen the dakota access pipeline come online from the bakken fields. we are struggling to get natural gas to new england states that have been less friendly to pipeline development. with all these other miles of pipeline, especially bringing natural gas, there is an effort to upgrade those facilities can replace older pipe. that is something we need to think about also, we need to innovate and modernize what we have in the ground. the pipeline protest legislation, what would that do?

guest: south dakota saw what happened in north dakota during the dakota axis and where that state was forced -- access, and where that state was forced to expend millions of dollars in taxpayer money. governorota and the have been looking at ways to force others to pay for these protests. one is to ask the energy companies responsible for building the pipelines to donate money into a coffer to pay for security services if and when there were protests. host: give us an update on the keystone xl pipeline. where does that stand? guest: it is still out there. a lot of people do not know that we have a keystone system. keystone xl is the most famous part. the southern part was constructed from obama -- oklahoma to texas during the

obama administration, but from oklahoma to canada is in limbo. a federal district court judge in montana held up the pipeline within the last several weeks. the trump administration issue you executive orders to get around that. here we are, 10 plus years, still talking about it. it is important to point out that that northern section of the keystone pipeline is just one piece. we have a keystone pipeline that runs down from canada to the gulf coast, bringing almost a million barrels of canadian crude oil every day. this is an extension that would enhance further volumes from canada. host: what is the trump administration doing on keystone? guest: the trump administration from day one has wanted to see this last keystone section built , so they issued executive orders trying to get that done.

he realized the pipeline was notionny years over the that it had to cross an international boundary between the u.s. and canada. aret of people in d.c. starting to get pipeline fatigue, so we will see if it goes through. the longer these projects are delayed, the more costly they become, and some of the developers may give up. host: thank you, sir, for an update on pipeline security. guest: thanks for having me on. host: next, we will talk to bob keefe about the future of green jobs in the united states. later on, we will talk about white nationalism and hate crimes with kristen clarke. a withpage at your very some -- pedro with some news. take: the senate is set to

out the veto of legislation cutting all support for the saudi led war. any attempt to override his expected to fall short. they will process the veto message by the end of the week. the president vetoed that measure earlier in the month. the president of russia and kim jong-un had a summit and now the president of russia is willing to share information from that summit. saying thated press he is willing to share information from that meeting. nothing substantial came as far as the change when it comes to new -- north korea's nuclear program. urged him tom explain the nuances of their position to the president.

the guardian newspaper out of the united kingdom says the foreign secretary is looking to have president trump address parliament when he visits in june. "i think it is important when you have a state visit by the closest and most important ally, i hope we can make the best possible welcome for president trump. because he is a controversial politician, but it is about his policies, the alliance between the united states and the united kingdom goes back many years." "washingtonuing on journal" with a discussion on energy. bob keefe is e2 executive director. what is the goal of your organization? guest: it is great to be with you from dallas. i am here as part of the earthx summit which brings business

people, environmentalists, and others to talk about these issues. clean energy jobs is one of the high points of the discussion. is a national nonpartisan group who advocates for policies that are good for the economy and environment. we have about 5000 business owners and investors as our members and supporters. these range from the chairman of google to mom and pop solar installers in iowa. host: what is a green job? guest: a green job is not a term i usually use. i use the term clean energy jobs, because these are jobs in solar and wind, renewable energy, but also energy efficiency, making our buildings more efficient. it is the folks making our electric grid better and smarter and stronger. it is folks building the anderies going to our cars

also going into solar installations and wind installations as well. it is people in factories in the midwest making the parts to go into vehicles to make our cars go further on a gallon of gas. host: what are the prospects for wages in these jobs? you described many different jobs. when it comes to blue-collar versus white collar and the clean energy field, how much are people making? guest: we don't have specific data on salary because we are talking about 3.3 million jobs across america in a wide range of different occupations. we are talking about union factory jobs in the midwest, making clean vehicle parts. we are talking about construction jobs putting in better windows and lighting into our offices.

that is the best thing about clean energy jobs, the availability of these jobs is everywhere. it is not limited by geology or geography or politics, and not by education or skill set. we have people coming into -- out of high school and going into jobs. we have phd's building the next generation of solar cells -- iteration of solar cells and grid technology. host: i want to mind our viewers to call in. republicans, (202) 748-8001. (202) 748-8000 democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. for those who work in the clean energy field, (202) 748-8003.

one area you focus on is energy storage where there has been double-digit increase. what is that and why the increase? thet: energy storage is batteries that go into the electric vehicles on the road and the batteries that go with solar arrays right now. the state of california just storaged a huge facility outside of oxnard that will essentially replace the goingl gas plant, that is to use solar to charge those batteries and discharge them as they need. this is a huge and growing area, the fastest growing in clean energy jobs in the country. one example of where this is playing out, that is in the little county of story county, nevada. there are 8000 jobs in story county in energy storage.

that is where tesla has its giga factory. host: where also these clean energy jobs in the united states? reports noted earlier there are 3.3 million people that work in clean energy across all sectors and in every state in america. the leaders, yes, it places like wherernia but also texas 25,000 people work in the wind energy industry in the western part of the state. it is also relatively small states like massachusetts because massachusetts has some of the best energy efficiency policies in the country, and is also a big supporter, governor is a big proponent of battery storage and solar and wind. it is places like north

carolina, my home state, the number two state for stoler -- solar installations. north carolina has the only knowable portfolio standard in the southeast. one of the great things about clean energy jobs as they are not limited by where the coal deposits or oil deposits are. they are in every state in the country and there are jobs available to everyone. host: how do you respond to this op-ed -- while renewable energy advocates are quick to take credit for jobs that have little to do with wind or solar, rising electricity prices result in significant job losses. all, i thinkof there is some inaccuracies there. right now, solar and wind is cheaper than coal and in many places around the country,

natural gas, which is why utilities are not building coal plants or gas plants. they are investing in clean energy and wind and solar because it is the cheapest energy source there is in many markets, and will continue to get cheaper. host: how much cheaper? guest: that is a good question. we are just getting started. aren energy and renewables a small part of our total energy mix. as the prices continue to decline on solar panels, as they continue to decline on wind turbine technology, and as we bring more battery storage and better grid technology to our national grid, it will decline for sure. we have seen dramatic declines in solar and wind ever the past few years, which is why we have this growth in these clean energy jobs being created.

host: angela is in maryland, democratic caller. caller: compared to 10 years ago, what has been the number of growth in these clean energy jobs? i noticed the community college around me is training for those jobs. is that something most community colleges are doing? one last comment, it has been a great day. i heard the trunk administration has indefinitely shelved -- trump administration has indefinitely shelved the drilling on the coast. newdakota pipeline, the part had five spells in six months. we can do green energy. that, and is for .hare your enthusiasm

take themy cannot impact of another deepwater horizon or oil spill. but does not mean we cannot develop energy off our coastlines. offshore wind is coming on strong. a lot of clean energy jobs are being created in the northeast. beginning to see that in the pacific states as well. drill offshore oil operation goes down -- when an offshore oil drilling operation goes down, it creates a natural disaster and when the wind turbine goes down, it creates a splash. growth rate has been continuing for several years. to give you some comparison to int, the overall job market our economy grew by about 1.5%, 2% last year.

this is an industry that is growing faster than most other spec's from our economy. -- specters from our economy. the labor department predicts solaro top jobs will be and wind. guest: -- caller: good morning. i have a couple of questions i want to ask. the free market, while imperfect , if investors can invest $.99 to make one penny they will. why would the taxpayers need to subsidize a viable plan? green energy, i am all for. cops,n recycle star from whatever it takes to keep -- styrofoam cups, whatever it tapes to keep our environment

clean. riseg indentured servitude to subsidize country, i do not -- companies, i do not think that is good. does your company take subsidies from taxpayers? plan of $93's trillion, more money than wall street makes in 10 years. guest: that is a great question. ,hen it comes to subsidies there is no energy industry that gets more subsidies than oil and gas and they have been getting it for about a hundred years. host: subsidies and what ways? tax cuts? guest: tax breaks from everything for keeping oil in the ground to taking oil out of the ground to production tax credits. the oil industry, i was at a panel yesterday with somebody from exxon mobil in texas.

he brought up the same type of question, why are we subsidizing clean energy? said, why are we subsidizing oil and gas industry as well? he agreed we should get rid of them all, and i think that is what you will find in the clean energy industry, folks would gladly give up any kind of tax credits and subsidies they have. they would do so if there was a level playing ground with the fossil fuel industry and that does not exist now. host: the subsidies that green energy, clean energy gets. guest: the tax credit for wind and solar. these are tax credits that the industry gets when they produce energy. up solyndra.rought

department ofhe energy's loan guarantee program. one thing to remember is that 99.5 percent of those investments have been very successful, things like tesla came out of the loan guarantee program. folks like to paint solyndra as the story. it is an old story and a very small example of one company that did not make it amongst thousands that have. in new york, what do you do? caller: i am a farmer, but right now the purest is hydroelectric. new york state at one time based their whole industry on hydro. it runs 24 hours a day and is very reasonable and cheap. in new york state, a few hydro dams are foreign owned by canada. ownedshould be american

dams. it produces clean efficiency. solyndra, that was a palm scheme -- ponzi scheme by the obama administration. solar and wind is a great idea, but it does not run industry. the different things you used to produce the cells come from china and different places with slave labor. you do not mention the whole topic. i love clean energy and hydro is the way of having an american run and done by us and america, not by foreign countries like canada and china. host: got it. guest: i did not really get the question, but i appreciate the call. , andnk it was about hydro certainly hydro is one of the cleanest forms of energy around.

good news is that we are seeing a lot of new tech knology arounds -- technology around small hydro so we do not have to dam up our rivers to produce electricity with the technology that is emerging now. we will be able to do small-scale hydro that does not impact the environment. host: we are taking viewer comments and questions, and one comment was about getting solar from china. china,getting solar from there president last year put a tariff on imported solar panels. was that there was basically one sector of the clean energy economy where we saw jobs decrease, the solar industry. that is because most of the jobs in solar are in installation and service and management, et cetera.

it is not dissimilar to electronics. you can imagine what would happen if we put a tariff on parts that go into cell phones or computers. it would not kill a lot of jobs in this country because parts are made overseas, but it would kill jobs at places like apple and microsoft and elsewhere. host: jeff from nebraska, republican. seeing the special on cheryl adkins and she had all these panels they make. they said on her show -- i don't know if this is true or not -- those panels on average last three years. replaced allbe these panels people are putting on the roof last three years. they cannot be taken to the landfill because they are hazmat. what they do, and these

windmills, if the leading edge of any of these big blades starts to deteriorate after a year and a half, the entire rotors have to be replaced. government will not subsidize that. notsee towers everywhere spinning because the leading edges of the blades have to be replaced. my question is -- why don't we go to nuclear? .t is safe now i don't understand why we don't go that way. , the main reason that nuclear isn't happening there are three nuclear plants under construction in america right now. two are bankrupt already. it costs tens of billions of dollars to build nuclear in this country. the disasters that can happen if

a nuclear meltdown like we have seen in fukushima and other places, and we have to figure out what to do with the storage. host: what about the first part of his comments where he was -- now i am blanking. guest: the lifecycle of solar panels. panel never seen a solar that doesn't work after three years. i have solar on my house and it is guaranteed for 25 years at least. when you look at some of the major weather disasters around this country recently, it is remarkable that solar panels have stood up on roofs where the neighbors roof went away. technology is not the panels and technology of the 1970's anymore. this stuff lasts a long time. virginia,, ashburn,

independent. caller: i wanted to know more on why when talking about clean green jobs, nuclear isn't referenced often and it is not pushed forward. full disclosure, they are cleaner and safed are, even factoring in the minor incidents. more output, more stable, more reliable. nuclear we do to make easier and more accessible? host: what would make it cheaper? guest: there is a lot of technologies being explored and developed right now. the most notable is from bill gates who is exploring small-scale nuclear. we know how to do nuclear because all of our submarines are powered by nuclear energy. we can do small-scale nuclear on

things like oceangoing vessels. but technology is not there yet to bring down the exorbitant costs of large-scale nukes. we still have no answer to what we do to expend nuclear waste. i was at a dinner last night featuring three inside the beltway people, senators lindsey graham and sheldon white, as well as rick perry. lindsey graham had the idea that , he basically said we do not know how to build big nuclear facilities in this country and maybe we should be hiring french folks to build nuclear plants. he mentioned not far from his home state of south carolina are the two nuclear reactors in georgia under construction. bankruptciesut the

of those two plants and basically said, it is too expensive. host: nicole is watching in wisconsin, independent. caller: good morning, and thank you for these topics on the environment. similar to some of the previous callers. experiences in hazardous panelsregarding solar and also the lithium batteries, solarondering -- you said panels can last about 25 years. we were working on a project to recycle them at one point in time, which is really difficult. i am curious if you can talk about the disposal options for solar panels and also lithium batteries, because the last i heard, the only place for lithium battery disposal was in

canada. if the guest could address the lifespan of the batteries and disposal places for these things, i would appreciate it. guest: when it comes to battery technology, it is improving every single day. i was in chicago last week or a couple weeks ago meeting with with aour members company that recycles lithium ion batteries. he takes the batteries from electric vehicles and other sources and re-purposes them. you might not be able to get 200 miles out of your battery, but you could get two to three hours, which is perfect for things like electric forklifts and things like that. is -- atuse a battery

the consumer level, does not mean it is not being recycled. facilities are popping up everywhere. democrat.in zurich, a democrat.i, a caller: 60 minutes did a piece about the chinese government backing electric vehicles. apparently, they understand air quality is a problem they are doing something on it, on a government level. contrast that with us. i understand tesla does not have any showrooms because of the political well. you have a -- political will. you have a president talking about wind turbines causing cancer. the lobbying power of the fossil fuel industry has distorted the facts.

i don't see how we can move forward towards a green economy as long as there is so much misinformation out there. host: agree, disagree? .uest: i could not agree more there is an incredible amount of disinformation and it is unfortunate. regrettably, it has become more part of our culture. i spent about 25 years as a journalist actually and i have never been in a time we discard and disregard the truth like we are doing right now. the energy industry is part of that, unfortunately. host: we will go up to new hampshire, littleton, karen, a republican. caller: thank you very much. thatestion is, the fact you were talking about people

saying about electricity and how much it was costing and here in littleton, new hampshire, and only here, we have our own littleton water and light company. , that an outside electric company. we have the cheapest rates for electricity, and i'm thinking that everybody else is saying it is costing so much because there is competition. do the addition on littleton water and light company, which is located in the white mountain national forest. they have solar panels they use. packs,ve the battery because we do not get a lot of son. -- sun.

you all also mentioned the fact as fuel and stuff goes, how a lot of it, if i heard it right, has not reached us up here in new england. is that how come the prices of fuel has goneme so outrageous? host: i will have him jump in. guest: i cannot really speak to your local markets in new england. what i do know is something you touched on, the ability for communities to generate their own energy through distributed sources. there are a lot of communities in this country who are cutting the cord to big utilities and creating community solar, essentially.

they are buying is a cooperative to get clean energy for prices that are cheaper than dirty energy right now. host: hyannis, massachusetts, mark, independent. caller: thank you. oil powernd me as an plant. tomorrow, they are demolishing the cooling towers that were just built in 2009. the plant went off-line two and thesein 2017, cooling towers were just built in 2009. 2013, partas sold in of a multi-plant deal. it just goes to show you that if they are investing all this money for these basically, huge cooling towers that people would

recognize as being the big towers you would see at a nuclear power plant. i hope the nuclear power plant due tonorthwest, it is go off-line in the summer and they have had all sorts of problems. for people who think nuclear power is such a good idea, look at the cost of real estate around these plants. i don't know if you are familiar with northfield generating station off the connecticut river. they pump the water at low energy costs into this hollowed out mountain and use gravity, hydroelectric power when there is a peak demand in the morning to help the system. i don't see why you can't use these batteries more often. guest: i'm not familiar with that operation but it sounds cool to me. i think one of the reasons you

are seeing some of these plant demolitions that you mentioned in your backyard is because of what we mentioned earlier, it's now cheaper to build wind and solar in any part of the country then it is to keep existing coal-fired power plants running. we are going to see a lot more of this transition. it's not as good -- it's not just good for jobs and our economy, it's good for our environment as well. in york,da is pennsylvania, on the line for democrats. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm in my 70's, when i was a kid we had a coal fire furnace, that's over and done with. but i had a specific question. because i've heard so many dispose ofut how to solar panels, what type of effect does that have on the environment?

,nd i live pretty close to tmi which had a meltdown and 79. now the state wants to keep it open, and they won hundreds of millions of dollars to keep it open and going, which i think is really stupid. and because i'm not well-versed in wind energy, can you tell me how exactly does that start? if you decide to put a wind tunnel somewhere, where does it start? what has to be done from the bottom up? host: i'm going to have mr. keith answer because we are running out of time. guest: thank you. my question to linda would be, i wonder if you're missing the coal furnace? i bet not. your question about wind then how does that work, it's interesting because in your state of pennsylvania they are putting wind turbines in for an inl strip mines out there -- coal strip lines out there.

-- minds out there. the thing about wind is that there is construction, but it can trace back with the supply chain, that goes back to the ball bearing manufacturers in canton, ohio, that are putting the ball bearings together that of the the cones turbines. and the fiberglass country meet -- companies across america build the blades. steelworkers build the towers that go into the earth. we did a study on how many people are employed in a typical wind farm, if you look across the supply chain. it's about 1100 people employed in building a typical wind turbine. and everything from the electric harnesses, the parts inside, the turbine itself, and the transportation of those big blades by truckers across america. host: to learn more about mr.

keith's organization you can go to their website. thank you for this conversation. guest: greta, thank you. host: coming up next we turn our attention to white nationalism and hate crimes. we will speak with kristen clarke with the lawyers committee on civil rights. but first a news update. isin economic news, reuters reporting that hotel trade inventories as part of the reason the u.s. saw a boost in growth. 3.2% in the first quarter. usa today this morning has a story looking at maria butina, a russian national who pleaded guilty to acting for the kremlin. that is that today. one of the group she tried to get into, or at least infiltrate was the nra. the associated press looking at the president's visit to indianapolis today along with the vice president to address the nra national convention. monthdifferent nra, the

after the election they seem to be on top of the world, much of the legislation they have since champion has stalled, in part due to mass shootings did to the mast light -- such as the massacre in parkland, florida. there is also a youth movement gunovement against violence, they are also grappling with infighting, and bleeding investments as well as investigations into their practices. , president sent down a tweet love being in indiana, the nra is getting stronger and doing some great and important work, their powerful support has been selected -- vital to the maga cause. if you want to see the president boss and the vice presidents president's comments this morning, you can find us online. host: at the table this morning

is kristen clarke, the president herexecutive director of organization. you testified earlier this month on the rise of hate crimes and white supremacy. what do you attribute to that rise? caller: -- guest: it's an interesting moment in the country the latest fbi data shows a 17% increase in hate crimes, this is a significant spike, bigger than any jump we've seen in recent times. that a lot of the climate in the country, much that is shaping the climate in the country now, is being informed by what's happening at a policy level. ,o policies like the muslim ban taking away the rights of transgender children, the attacks we are seeing on affirmative action at our nations colleges and universities, have really created a climate in which people of color find themselves with a target on their backs.

i'm glad that congress decided to bring attention to this important issue. i think it's critical that lawmakers and our federal government think about what we can do to confront the crisis that we are up against. host: what about the presidents rhetoric? rhetorice president's absolute make the difference. words matter. we are seen the impact down to what's happening inside of public schools. there's a 25% in increase in hate incidents and bullying inside public schools, no doubt the leader of the free world, and the word that he speaks, matters. this is being done -- host: is this being done by white children against black children? guest: yes. african-american students are the most frequently targeted by hate. we also see hate perpetrated on the basis of religion, muslims and jews have been victimized,

and a significant uptake in people who are targeted based on their immigrant status, immigration status or perceived immigration status. host: how was all of this tract? how do we know this? guest: there is data collected by the fbi, the most robust data that we have to work with. it's an interesting question, part of the problem is data collection. we know that a lot of law enforcement agencies fall down on the job and failed to track and report hate incidents. charlottesville, virginia, for example. that incident is not captured in hate data. that jurisdiction failed to report the horrendous tragedy that unfolded there. the hate crime. and it certainly was. thats the country we know law enforcement agencies failed to report, and that a lot of the victimsoff -- a lot of are reluctant to call 91 to

report hate, sometimes because of distrust, or fear that the incidents will not be taken seriously. host: when you testified you were joined on the panel by turning point usa's candace owens. here is what she told lawmakers about white nationalism. [video clip] >> they change the data set point by widening the definition of hate crime and upping the number of reporting agencies that are able to report on them. they are manipulating statistics. ,he goal here is to scare black hispanic, gays, and muslims, to helping them censor dissenting opinion and helping them regain control of our countries narrative, which they feel that they have lost. they feel that president trump should not have beat hillary. if they were rashly concerned about white nationalism they would be holding hearings on antifa, a far left violent white gang who determined that i, a

black woman, was not fit to sit in a restaurant. they chased me out and yelled race traitor to a group of black and hispanic police officer who formed a line of protection. they through water at me, they threw eggs at me, the left media remained silent. they were -- if they were series about the rise of hate crimes, they would have to be examining themselves and the haste they have drummed up in this country. bottom line, white supremacy, racism, why nationalism, words that once held real meaning have now become election strategies. every four years the black immunity is offered handouts and fear. handouts and fear. reparations and white nationalism, this is the democrats preview. clarke?ofessor guest: her statements were unfortunate don't comport with reality. there has been a 17% increase in

reported hate crimes, these are thousands of individuals who have been targeted for violence. one of those victims includes a student at american university who we represented at the lawyers committee for civil rights and we filed suit on behalf of an african-american woman who was elected student president at american and targeted by a group called the daily stormer and their followers. they hung nooses on campus. --ana peels with her rented horrendous messages, acquitting her to a gorilla. they published her personal information online and instructed people to go out and harass her in the did. and she suffered because of it. we filed a suit to stand up for her, and there are thousands of victims like her across the country. thisunfortunate that witness, candace owens, discounts the reality of victims and survivors in our country. this is not a partisan issue.

it impacts everyone. these are crimes whose impacts are felt beyond the individual, these have impacts on entire communities. it's an issue we should be taking seriously. host: we should note that candace owens was scheduled to be a guest on the washington journal on the sunday after that hearing. she declined. we are hoping to reschedule her in the future. john, in tampa, and independent. at the first call, go ahead. caller: the problems your guest has observed, they are serious, they are bad. one person hating another person based on, y, or z. are exacerbated or increased because of a growing massive transfer of wealth from the middle class and the poor into the hands of a small percentage of individuals, this country is becoming a corrupt kleptocracy. you have campaign contributions

on both parties and that started with buckley versus aleo and 76 which equated the graft of big money and political money to freedom of speech. then you had the 82 reagan no strings attached tax cuts for the wealthy. 70% to 30% basically have a situation where your typical representative, the publican or democrat, has to spend 75% of their time drumming up campaign donors and 25% of their time doing their job. your john, we have heard point. what do you think about economic disparity adding to the tensions between races? guest: i think it's an interesting observation. no doubt in the 1990's the economic recession and downturn u.s. sovereignty was being threatened by growing foreign power.

increases in the number of .mmigrants entering the country all it led to a spike in extremism in our country, and culminated in the tragic events that unfolded in oklahoma city when timothy mcveigh, who is an blewle of the very worst up a building leading to the deaths of many people. there are many timothy mcveigh's before thejust election of president obama, the first african-american president, we saw an uptick of hate and extremism in our country. if you fast-forward to where we are now, we are no doubt seeing a spike that is directly traceable to a president who uses words and launches policies that no doubt put vulnerable communities in our country in a bad place.

president trump, on the heels of charlottesville described many of the white supremacists and violence extremists -- violent extremists who gathered as very fine people. and that brought out a moment where we saw white supremacists emboldened, because of what's happening in the country, because we have a president who seems to at minimum tolerate hate. host: jim is next, on the independent line. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment, i was watching that congressional meeting that you had the clip-on. candace owens is a national treasure. i think she is spot on and everything that she talks about. what was absolutely disgraceful is the left side of the conversation, she was attacked, she was called names, it's

unbelievable. especial the congressional leader in his remarks and taking her remarks out of contest -- context. she did ask wayne herself that she your guest -- that your guest mentioned this morning. there are many reports of the president's words and who he was directing his comments to. and people seek out the full version and not just take these clips, which are guest is doing this morning, and turning things around. and truthfully, you will see that truth and with the president's statement was. end of the left keeps pumping hate into that -- and if the left keeps pumping hate into the ourem, we can't view congressional leaders as unbiased, which we can't anymore, as made clear in that congressional meeting, where can we go with the issue? host: a couple things there. first, candace owens testimony,

your reaction to that. and second, this is something that has been brought up. the president said there is very fine people on both sides, people also point to him condemning hate. racism, islamophobia, anti-semitism, bias against l people. lgtbq these are real. there are thousands of people who are victimized and targeted. this last caller talked about one person, candace owens, and it's hard for me to sit here and talk about her, knowing that there are people and communities out there who are suffering. it's unfortunate that that hearing, which was focused on an incredibly important topic, got wayiled and hijacked in a that so much of the discussion has become about her.

the reality is that there are thousands of people who are victimized by hate. communities that are feeling the impact and reeling from the aftermath of hate incidents. that's what i want to focus on this morning. host: olivia, from birmingham, alabama, on the democrat line. caller: please allow me to finish my points as the young man did from massachusetts. clarke, you're are being very real this morning . i want to say this. some white people, i will judge everyone, some white people, until you wake up, until you wake up and recognize racism, nothing will happen. you have to judge your heart. that man from massachusetts, please take a seat and sit down. let me say this. donald trump is promoting hate and white supremacy in america.

i'm scared. i'm afraid. i leave in birmingham, alabama, where dr. king made the statement. if we can capture racism in alabama, we can capture it anywhere. people going he -- some white people are going around white now, calling the police on black people without a reason. wake up america. donald trump is promoting hate. nobody wants to face that. get on your knees and ask god what is going on. some white people in america need to wake up, we are sick and tired of being sick and tired. host: what about birmingham clarke?miss is this largely in the south are happening all over the country? guest: there is no community .hat is immune there are three african-american churches, three black churches

that were just targeted next-door to the caller in louisiana. we see hate all over, in cities, rural america, we are seeing this in majority white areas where minorities are far outnumbered. this is a conversation that we need to be having on a national level. the caller makes clear that emotions are running very high. i think this is a moment for the country to reflect on our history of racism, and the legacy of slavery. there were more than 4700 african-americans who were lynched in this country. 2019 weortunate that in are still living in a nation that continues to bear witness to her renda's crimes -- horrendous crimes based on a persons color of their skin, lgth, immigration status,

tbq status. we need to talk about hate if we are confronting this crisis. host: we are talking with kristen clarke this morning, famously the chief of the civil rights era for the office of the youyork attorney general, are a trial attorney for the civil rights division at the u.s. department -- you were a trial attorney for the u.s. civil rights division and the u.s.. let's go to south carolina, russell, a democrat. caller: hello? host: we are listening. state, iiving in a red find that the intensity of racism around here in south carolina has risen since 2016. the incidentt

where a gun was wrestled away from a man at a waffle house, and the next day the president was at an nra meeting, he did not mention that man is a hero. and if you look at the kentucky shooting, where the man was trying to shoot up a church, he could not get into the church. went and shot two people in cold blood going into a kroger's. when he was caught by a good guy oh, and thehe said coast guard guy who had all of those arms up to attack obama supporters and hillary supporters, he was a white nationalist. in the president said the other day that he was a nationalist. he didn't use the word white but he didn't have to. it seems to me that the president -- there seems to be a

war against black people, not just here, look at yemen. look how they shoot palestinians when they open up the and the sea inns -- in -- the embassy in jerusalem. this happened during the opening of an embassy. it seems to me that there's a war. against alla war people of color. host: your reaction? i'm glad that he lifted up other hate incidents that happened that have involved victims of color. and he brings up president trump, and the silence from national elected officials is deafening. earningre are churches in louisiana and we don't hear the attorney general coming out to condemn this, we don't hear condemnation from the president.

it emboldens a white supremacist group that -- the white supremacist groups that we know are out there, and proliferating by the day. another important issue that we should talk about is how do we strengthen the capacity of local law enforcement to investigate these incidents when they do arise. it's a significant piece of the problem. we forged a partnership with the international association of chief of police where we have identified best practices to help law enforcement confront hate in their community. of thea critical piece problem that needs to be addressed. role ofat about the social media and the responsibility of companies like facebook and twitter? what role do they have? what role is it playing in what response ability do they have? guest: the threat of hate online is one of the biggest aspects of this crisis.

it was the case in the past that people masked themselves behind hoods. today we see a lot of white nationalist anza premises who are behind computer screens, -- and nationalists behind computer dangerousho promote messages, fund raise, who organize rallies and target victims and more. ofve been doing a great deal work with facebook to get them to do more. ago, has a few weeks abandoned the policy after advocacy from our organization. their former policy was one in which they deemed white supremacist conduct prohibited but carved out an exception for white nationalist and separatist activities. we had to make clear that this is a distinction without a difference. this is all dangerous and violent ideology.

they have now abandoned that practice and we are monitoring and watching closely to see how .hat is implemented but no doubt we must not ignore the way in which violent white supremacists are it -- are using these platforms to add to their movement. host: i wonder what your reaction to new zealand's law is after the mosque shootings there. in new zealand, you are prohibited from spreading violent videos online. when the killer used facebook live, and people spread that video allowed -- around, they committed crime under new zealand law. guest: in many respects new zealand is a model response to what you want to see a nation do in the wake of such her renda's and painful tragedy -- horrendous and painful tragedy. we saw real laws prone the books to confront hate in a bipartisan

fashion. rejection of the status quo. we saw people standing up in unity, wearing a his job -- think we can learn something from new zealand. i think we need more courage on the part of lawmakers here, and a recognition that our current approach is not can in turn the tide -- is not going to turn the tide. host: what did they put on the books? guest: confronting online hate was a big part of this. many will recall the tragic incident was broadcast live on facebook. it exposes the vulnerabilities that we have in the u.s.. we don't have real laws on the book that give us a two way to halt online plant -- to hold online forms accountable for

allowing hate to proliferate and spread. as a federal law called the communications decency act which carves out an exception for online companies. it does not deem them liable for content posted by third parties. we are in a world where we rely on companies like facebook to self police. that's not enough. one of the things that we are doing is working with groups and to put anngress online civil rights bill on the books to give us a real tool in our arsenal to hold online platforms accountable. richard, on the independent line, from north carolina. handling think you are yourself very well and very intelligently, your calm and i'm proud of you. i want to ask you this question. it's my belief that there are some government agencies that are powerful, with lots of

resources, that are manufacturing this thing we call race war. careful, if we are not this government agency with a lot of power and resources manufacturing this race war, do so to control it. i would like to ask you this question, what do you think of regional autonomy for the marginalized community? in the south we have a lot of assets and a lot of power, it's the only place in this country were one can say we own land, and awe have hbcus large population. i think when we join up with the working class, the farmers, the , weso well-off white people

can weaken the power of those in the ruling class who are attempting to promote this race for. thank you. -- race war. thank you. host: there is a lot there and i want to parse through that. we should talk about the fbi's black identitys extremist designation. we uncovered evidence about this a few years ago, these reports were deeply troubling because they harken back to dark days from the civil rights era, when we saw the fbi targeting civil rights leaders and advocates like dr. martin luther king while the fbi was under the leadership of j edgar hoover. they conducted surveillance activities, and they really abused the power of the agency to chill the working efforts of those who were fighting for civil rights and equal justice.

right now we are using the freedom of information act to try to shine a light on what the fbi is doing. there is no such thing as black identity extremism, and frankly this is a diversion away from the real threat we face in this country, which is the rise of white supremacists and these organized white nationalist movements. that is one issue. in terms of speaking about political power and propaganda, i want to briefly bring up the mullah report. -- the mueller report. notof the issues that was focused on is the fact that russian no doubt had influenced our elections, that threat is real, ongoing, and continuous. we know part of their strategy is sowing discord, racial discord. we know they created false pages on online platforms that were designed to polarize black and

white communities and cause more inial tension and anxiety communities. so understanding what our government is doing to confront the very lies spread from the russian government is an important question for us to ask . i am heartened to hear the caller's description about his community. he seems to be someone who is empowered. we sadly know that there are many communities that live in fear, because they live under the shadow of real ongoing white supremacy. millersville, maryland, david is a republican. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm curious as to how donald -- islamislam a phobic

aphobic? he banned the arrival of trees -- from 3com from three countries when there are many islamic nations. and i would like to know the thereition of the crowd, are a lot of journalists there, and a lot of them were asking that were protesting to be taken down. i'm not a fan of confederate statues, they lost the war and i think we should put dr. martin luther king up there instead of them. goodmething that shows the that comes out of our country. but that should be a local issue. at 40 years old, race didn't ,ecome such a forefront issue

really in the obama administration i saw big shift when he said the professor at the university who said that he acted stupidly, and he realized that he didn't have the whole story. and trayvon martin, he said that he had a son that was like trayvon -- he said that he could have been trayvon martin. i don't even know what that means. a huge brush fire started. i'm not sure why we keep this rhetoric going when this could be the least racist time in america, considering my parents during their school years were drinking from separate fountains. host: were going to move on because were running out of time. ms. clarke? yesterday i spent time by a gentleman who was next to heather heyer's when she was killed. the caller brings up the complexity of hate, there are

black victims and there are white victims, there are jewish victims and their are muslim victims. hate has an impact on all of us. that's why it's an issue the entire nation should be concerned about. let me echo support for the caller's suggestion that we resurrect more monuments and statues lifting up the legacy of dr. martin luther king. no doubt these confederate monuments were what attracted those white supremacists in white nationalists who converged in charlottesville that day. we cannot rewrite history, there was not a mix of different people who converged in charlottesville. charlottesville happened because there were white supremacists who organize from places like storm front, dangerous website that we have worked to shut down for some. -- some period of time. they came from different states and converged in that city to

wreak havoc and send a message .f fear to african-americans that is why charlottesville aspened, and charlottesville a reminder that everyone at the end of the day can fall victim to hate. host: if you want to learn more about ms. clark's work you can go to lawyers committee.org. thank you. up next, your reaction to the road to the white house, 20 20 so far with the former vice president in, we want to get your reaction to the field on the democratic side and president trump and the official primary challenger on the republican side. but first, some technology news. >> if you've taken those data quizzes on facebook, you may find that facebook that you may find less, facebook announcing that they will do less of those, apps with minimal utility that provide prediction that the user may not be -- may not be allowed anymore, such as assessments

that provide personality attributes, behavioral tendencies, or functionality or otherwise makes a prediction about who the user is may not be allowed for the new policy on facebook. google is getting permission from the faa to start delivery by drone. it says the faa on tuesday authorized the start of delivering goods via drones later this year with google weighing in, delivering commercial packages in virginia. the approval is important, given this is the first time the faa has granted air carrier certification for drone food,ries for medicine, and consumer products. and a story taking a look at robo calls and what tech companies are trying to do to reduce the number of calls that you get. the new york times highlighting that many of the larger carriers are finally testing and adopting

technical standards intended to show callers are using legitimate phone numbers. areently scammers displaying bogus numbers, sometimes spoofing local numbers to inspire trust or faraway ones meant to play on your curiosity. host: we are taking your calls this morning on the campaign the field so far with former vice president jumping in yesterday. for our coverage for campaign rallywe are airing in a with presidential candidates, h showed up at the women of color -- eight showed up at the women of color nationally, there were eight candidates that showed and it is now airing on c-span at 2:00 today. another was at a politics and eggs event in new hampshire which is that 3:00 on c-span two today.

and at 6:45 this evening, c-span3 will be airing larry inan at politics and eggs new hampshire as well. road to the white house 2020, you can find it on c-span.org. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. you can also join us on twitter or go to facebook.com. earlier this morning, we covered an event with fbi director chris wray, talking about election abouterence, he talked the strides that were made in and that russian adversaries, not just russia, keep upping their game. we cover that event, we will show you a little bit of it, we

can show you right now. chris wray. [video clip] don't assume that will be an issue in 2020, do you believe that we internationally or locally, how comfortable are you with what's being done to protect our election infrastructure? hand we've made in norma's strides since 2016 by different fed -- enormous strides since 2016 by different officials, and social media companies. but we recognize that our adversaries will keep adapting and upping their game. we are viewing 2018 as a dress rehearsal for the big show in 2020. host: that was christopher wray this morning. go to c-span.org if you want to see what he had to say this morning. douglas, in staten island, a democrat. what's your take on the 2020 field? c-span, iank you for

always appreciate it. joe biden coming in, i see the media is flocking to them, saying he's going to be the guy that's going to be donald trump -- beat donald trump. he has to go through primaries, he's from the dnc wing, the bill clinton set this up with repot -- with democrats getting money from big business. the first thing he does is go to $2800 -- foras a the first campaign stop. he has the anita hill situation, still very unhappy with that. and a lot of people don't know is that she had asked -- people for her defense had asked her defense had asked to have other women, there were six other women and he did not allow that. you had the crime bill and 95, the 2005 bill that the youngsters are all suffering

with this debt from college tuitions. he pushed it very much. in the 1990's and 2005, his was at contributor accrediting big banking thing. bpd?ink it was m host: your point being? caller: people are not happy with let's going back to the old status quo, going along to get along and be moderate. let's take care of the people at the top. myself,tired gentleman i'm an educator, i'm in my 70's. i know joe biden thoroughly, he's a likable guy. he may have some credit with people my age, union people, and so on. but his time has passed. we need a progressive, dramatic

turnaround from what is going on. host: before you go, which candidate do you like? who do you like in the race so far? caller: i've liked bernie sanders for quite a while, he walks the walk and he talks the talk. he's from my hometown of brooklyn. host: howdy respond to people who would sail you just said we need someone new? caller: we need new progressive ideas. when you talk about democratic socialism, people go venezuela. we have to get past that and understand the democratic socialism simply means that the people who are running this country are running it from them set up -- for themselves, and democratic socialism says we need to have a decent share, seated the table, not the crumbs or sitting at the little boy table at these meetings.

host: douglas mentioned joe biden's handing -- handling of the anita hill hearing where he was the chair of the judiciary committee. the new york times has the story. they report that mr. biden, head of his announcement yesterday that he would throw his hat in the ring reached out to anita , so through an intermediary that he could talk to her personally in a lengthy telephone interview. she told the near times that she declined to characterize his words as an apology, and she was not convinced that he has taken full responsibility for his conduct at the hearing or the harm he caused other victims of sexual harassment and gender violence. she says she believes mr. biden has set the stage for last year's confirmation of brett kavanaugh. you can read more of that in the new york times. bob, in french

settlements, louisiana, a democrat. caller: i'm calling about the guest that we had earlier and some of the comments that were made. they were talking about candace owens. host: a maxi sticking to the topic here. we are trying to get -- i am actually sticking to the topic. we are talking about campaign 2020 in the news with new candidates entering the race. roger, in virginia, a democrat. caller: good morning. i think the guy who could take donald trump on is the guy out of texas. host: beto o'rourke. fighter, weeed a need someone who will punch back . we said what he said back in that trailer, grabbing people by

the privates and that doesn't bother people in this country? and russia attacked our nation and it does not bother the voters of this nation? i had to quit church because my preacher told me to vote for donald trump. donald trump does not have my values. so i think we need someone who can punch him in the teeth and put some where he belongs. host: you don't think joe biden could punch back in your words? while it's the campaign of the grabber versus the guy who gloated? what will that accomplish? host: president trump is on his way to the nra convention, he and the vice president will be delivering remarks there. this is marine one, which just landed at andrews air force base , they will make their way over

to the nra annual meeting. .e will have coverage of that ons is on c-span, or c-span.org. you can also listen with the radio app. john, an independent. hello. caller: how are you doing? i'm an independent, and independent since 19 three. i don't like either party, i really don't. i voted for donald trump last time, i'm looking for someone else. i don't like his rhetoric. a lot of the things he's doing is fine but i think he will win the republican primary. democrats,nk with 20 and they're not sure who will win, i see the democrats going farther left than most independents want to see. i think joe biden, if he gets it, he could possibly beat donald trump. age, youthat, at his

have to really look hard at the vice president, and who he chooses as his running mate. the third issue is whether or not kasich will run as an independent. i think he will have a good platform on that. a lot of independence and people who are moderate like myself, we like him. we think he would be a good candidate. if you through the third wheel in there, and you throw in the electoral college, i don't think he will get enough electoral votes and i think he can do some damage to both parties. host: the president is getting off marine one, to make his way to the nra annual meeting. we will watch as he makes his way over to air force one.

[helicopter noises] host: as we have said, the president will be delivering remarks at the nra annual convention around 11:10 a.m., that's when our coverage begins of the president today, along with the vice president. we are getting your thoughts on campaign 2020 this morning, we've been talking to reporters, probably taking political questions as well. we will see what he has to say with more news. >> it sounds like he was already asked about the 2020 race, julia manchester sent out a tweet saying that trump talked about biden's run on the south lawn. he says i am a young and vibrant , andrew cuomo and his support of joe biden by cnbc

this morning, they reported the governor had raised money. and he will be opening his fundraising network exclusively to joe biden, according to people with direct knowledge of the matter. andrew is all in for joe, he's pushing his entire network around funding for that person. did a pollted press for the virginia pilot, they report on issues when it comes to the campaign, health care being one of those issues. saying that americans are giving democrats a clear edge on health care, the poll found that democrats enjoy a 17% point advantage over republicans in americans assessments on who they trust more to handle on health care. host: sterling, michigan, a democrat, what do you think of the road to the white house question mark -- white house? the president said that

he didn't need the american people's money, now he has his own money, now he's raising a billion dollars for his campaign . there is something drastically wrong. why should he have to raise a billion dollars if he's doing such a good job? he's teaming up with the rnc, so the rnc and the trump campaign are coming together for their fundraising efforts, as they's -- as politico reported, the goal is to take a single seamless organization that seizes resources and minimize a staff overlap and infighting that marks the 2016 relationship in the trunk campaign and the party. the faith and freedom coalition representing religious voters is our guest for newsmakers this sunday at

10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. here on c-span. you can also listen with the free radio app. this is what he had to tell reporters as part of our newsmakers interview about mayor pete buttigieg's back and forth with mike pence. [video clip] >> what he is attempting to do is to rescue a lost lexicon of progressive and liberal faith that harkens back to the antiwar movement in the civil rights movement of the 60's. i think that's a worthy and ambitious project, i think where he has made a mistake is in attacking the faith of others. specifically the vice president. he's been critical of anybody who believes in biblical or traditional marriage. he accused mike pence nocifically, and i quote, longer believing in scripture when he decided to believe in donald trump.

that's an attack on somebody else's faith. i think that goes too far. watch newsmakers this sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern time on c-span. let's go to columbus, ohio. on the democratic line. caller: on the 2020 field , especially as one of the youths at 28, i see the political environment itself has played out time and again with the same rhetoric being paraded. such things as the ideas are too progressive, unrealistic. i believe when these things come into play, what it does is belittle the ambition of certain candidates. a self i'm going for bernie sanders, as soon as i say that, somebody says it's because

you're young and hopeful. quite frankly, if we are not hopeful for change in this country we are going to find ourselves repeating and repeating and repeating the same mistakes that we keep on making. -- when some he says that, when someone says that, the news outlets, someone who would demonize candidates, would continue to pray on the same rhetoric. but the reason i'm voting for bernie sanders is because these progressive ideas, these ideas take more than a year or two, maybe a decade, but they're not just for this generation. my generation looks at the next generation and future generations because as you may already know, we are the most progressive generation out here. when it comes to homosexuality, civil rights,, although we look to our parents sometimes they have to look down and say we need to take a different path. we cannot continue down the same

path doing the same things over and over again and expecting something different. alicia, in virginia, a republican. caller: i was calling to say how inappointed i was in c-span your discussion with your notious guest that you did actually play president trump's full comments about the charlottesville situation. i just wish he would have played that so that people -- you would have played that so that people would know that that soundbite is inaccurate. host: we heard your point. do you have thoughts on campaign 2020? actuallyes, i was better related to joe biden. wish that in his official announcement that he's running that that had not been a

statement that he used. context, andout of it's being repeated over and over again. i think the democrat party using that statement, joe biden using that statement is racist in to go into theve thisr and continue to push racist language. from this is the president earlier this morning, before he left for the nra annual meeting, this is what he had to say about the age of vice president biden. i think that -- [video clip] >> i think -- i feel still

young. i am a young vibrant man. i look at joe, i don't know about him. i don't know. i would never say anyone is too old. think i look young in terms of agent energy. host: that was the president earlier this morning answering questions from reporters about the age of the former vice president, joe biden. we are getting your thoughts, it's on your screen, air force one is taking off from andrews air force base, president trump traveling to make his remarks at the annual nra meeting, tom, in a new work, ohio, a republican. caller: i'm salivating here. i am praying that joe biden becomes the nominee. host: why is that? caller: he has a case of foot and mouth disease? if he gets nominated for the

democratic party, every debate and every speech will be full of verbal gas. the next day he will have to walk back everything he said. we used to call him -- we always called him biden the gaffer. this will be fun. i hope he gets up against donald trump. trump will destroy him. host: ok tom. jenny, louisville, kentucky, a democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call, i appreciate your show. i've lived in kentucky all my life. i'm amazed at how the republicans seem to have lost their minds over donald trump and his gas, as this man just talked about joe biden. cho pine and so much character -- joe biden has so much overcter, he is hands down donald trump, but i'm recommending that people listen to elizabeth warren.

she has always touted, all of her life, the things that bernie sanders says as far as putting the regular people ahead ahead of the corporate and conglomerate people and the extremely wealthy 1%. she also has the regular people at heart, when she considers making changes to taxes and things that started in the 80's, hollowing out the middle class and taking away from the poor. i think it would be a good idea of more republicans, as well as democrats, would consider her campaign. host: people can listen to what she has had to say so far in this campaign season if you go to our website, elizabeth warren and other candidates are running if you go to our website on c-span.org. that does it for today's washington journal. enqueue for washing -- for watching. tune in tomorrow morning --

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