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the auto industry. then john dale grover, author of the national interest come on iran. with usateen suicide today reporter with jayne o'donnell. on this saturday, may 25, we will catch up to the escalating war of words between president donald trump and nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house of representatives. the two have gone took to tell for much of the week. -toe for much of the week. is it getting too personal between the president and the speaker? democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. you can post a comment on facebook.

are the verbal back-and-forth between the president and the speaker getting too personal? we will show you a couple of minutes from this past week with the speaker and the president. this followed a meeting they were supposed to have at the white house on infrastructure. that meeting ended early. the two came out the next day and talked about each other. [video clip] >> the president stormed out, first pounded the table and walked out the door. can have the tv cameras -- next time have the tv cameras in there while i have my say. .nother temper tantrum again, i pray for the president of the united states. i wish his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country. >> i walked out. i was so calm.

you saw me minutes later. i was so calm. i walked into the cabinet room. chop,d the group, crying crazy nancy. i have been watching her. i have been watching her for a long time. she is not the same person. she has lost it. host: just a small taste of what went on this week between the president and the speaker. eugene bobbitt in the washington post, nancy pelosi is large and in charge. once again, president trump is frantic and rattled. ise again, a powerful woman driving a tough and powerful man out of his mind. i have to admit it is working. like a responsible public servant doing her best to serve the public. he looks panicked, out of control and only concerned with self-interest.

from rich larry, editor at the national journal, the real political cover-up in washington, he writes that president trump may be guilty of many things, but a cover up is not one of them. speaker is accusing him of one with all of the familiar washington connotations. president,e, not the is obstructing an impeachment inquiry in the literal sense of not letting one going forward. this is a cover-up, it is the worst executed cover-up of all time. line from detroit this morning for democrats. is this war of words getting too personal? caller: first of all, good

morning, c-span. greetings yet again from motown. i think it is getting personal because donald trump made it personal. i reject this idea about donald trump being a counterpunch or who fights back. how can he be a counterpuncher when he is often the one who starts the fights? he is often throwing the first punch and firing the first shot? if there is any pushback from any liberal, he claims victimhood. on sure the archie bunkers the republican line will no doubt trash me for saying this. i think nancy pelosi is getting 's skin.ump someone is standing up to an extremely arrogant, narcissistic, braggadocio's, foulmouthed loud man. i would like to make another point. a lot of people, when i listen

to them, when they defend donald that he actsike like a jerk. anyone whoy for feels those are the qualities to have in a president. i will listen to the archie bunkers trash me afterwards. ont: let's hear from alan the independent line. what would you say to the feud that is going on this week? caller: i would say on trump's p art, it is typical. him,me anyone criticizes he immediately gets personal. she is just being honest. she is not being vindictive, but she is being honest. if i could just say one thing, i have only voted for president twice in my life. .ne was for mcgovern

after nixon won in a landslide, i said that is it. when i heard donald trump say two things, one, mexico was going to pay for the wall, and two, let's take the oil. i said to myself, this man is more of a street punk that a statesman. it is a shame that a person like him, that he is the president of the united states. it is an embarrassment. host: we will stay on the independent line. we will go to indiana, tricia. caller: good morning. my comment is that we really need to get some adults in our government. we need to have people who make statements and disagree on , and absolutely if

you disagree on policy, you can have that fight. to take it to a personal level and make personal insults, which is not new under this administration. it was going on under president obama's administration and president bush's administration. it has gotten to such an ugly level that it is ridiculous. host: that being said, what is next? what would you advise either of them to do? to votei think we need people out in the next election. i don't think any of our representatives are listening to we the people. i think we need to pay attention to what is going on now. level ofmand a higher personal accountability.

you need to conduct yourself with dignity, and if you cannot do that, then we need to elect people who absolutely can. host: thank you for calling. write the enmity between house speaker nancy pelosi and donald trump deteriorated into questioning his fitness for office. they describe the back and forth. exchange leaves uncertain whether donald trump and the democrats will be able to work together on serious tasks such as funding the government and raising the borrowing limit, let alone issues such as immigration, national security, and more. [video clip] >> the president stormed out. i think first pounded the table and walked out the door. next time, have the tv cameras

have my say.e i that did not work for him either. this time, another temper tantrum. again, i pray for the president of the united states. i wish his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country. host: deborah on the democrats line. what do you make of all this? caller: i would like to talk to the women voters of the country this morning. there are 76 million women registered to vote in this country and 64 million men. donald trump has shown us he is nothing more -- and now he has attacked -- host: we're going to move on to andre, florida, republican caller. isler: what i want to say

that this is the biggest travesty in american history, what is going on with the president. we know what the democrats have been doing. we know that this is one big hoax. i wonder what all these democrats are going to say because everything is written down. these people who started this hoax, there is a paper trail. when that paper trail comes out, i wonder what all the democrats are going to say about this. that's what i want to know. host: timothy is calling from new york, from harpers mill, new york. what you make of all this? caller: i think it is a complete joke. i think all the congressman in office should lose their salaries. i think it is a complete joke. host: what is the answer?

what is the next step for any of these folks and for you yourself as a voter? caller: as a voter, i think they should all leave office. this is ridiculous. they are not concentrating on the border. ony are not concentrating the things that need to be done .n this country the president is trying to concentrate on things in this country, and for them to be going into an office -- they are ridiculous. host: all right, timothy. gary is on the line from connecticut. caller: good morning. i am a longtime listener. i really appreciate the show. i have two reasons i believe trump should not be impeached. one is that while i believe the president has committed

impeachable offenses come i think it would fail -- offenses, i think it would fail in the senate for political reasons. see thelike to american people make the trumpon at the polls so could not claim it was a political thing the democrats tried to do. that is the only way he will accept his defeat. thank you. host: usa today yesterday wrote, donald trump put on your billionaire britches and act like the president. donald trump says he cannot work and bengress investigated at the same time. he showed this to be true by walking out of a meeting with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. if he cannot negotiate a budget wall dealing with a foreign-policy crisis, he cannot

walk and chew gum at the same time. we wonder how he will articulate his dilemma. perhaps instead of walking out in a huff, perhaps he will stop his feet or scream at the top of his lungs. the fact is presidents are subject to investigation. some are legitimate, others transparently partisan. nevertheless, presidents get things done. president trump is in japan right now. as he was leaving yesterday, he spoke with reporters about this ongoing feud and the surrounding issues. [video clip] >> did you hear what she said about me long before i went after her? did you hear? she made horrible statements. she knows they are not true. she said terrible things. i responded in kind. you think nancy is the same as she was?

she is not. maybe we can all say that. are -- i amt now we only speaking for myself, i want to do what is good for the country. pelosi is not helping this country. democrats are obstructionist. they are hurting our country very badly. we could pass so many different bills right now. democrats are obstructionist. all they want to do is investigate because they failed with robert mueller. on twitter, politics as usual, and it will only get worse. the parties don't listen. we welcome your facebook comments, your phone calls. is the war of words this week getting to personal? on the line. caller: good morning. isber one, the first thing

when you read something from the washington post, they are anti-trump. that is not going to be a good comment. he second thing is congress' job is to make policies for the president to decide. they are not doing that. they need to start working for the people. if you are talking about the president or trying to take an out of office, it is not going to work. if you're trying to get me out of office, impeach me, and then we are going to have a meeting, it is not going to work. host: are you saying there should not be any oversight by congress on any of these issues? caller: if you look at the democrats, they are talking impeachment. they are talking about impeachment. if you are talking about impeachment about the person you're trying to make policy with, that is not going to work. host: thanks a lot. gabriel in ohio on the

republican line. caller: good morning. is actually. trump an agent of russia. host: what makes you say that? veryr: because russia was unhappy with the fact that the eu and the united states put embargo's on their economy because they invaded ukraine. they knew hillary would continue those embargoes. they lost 12% of their national product because of that. they knew donald trump would be embargoes.o undo he is really a lackey of mr. putin. by a freet elected election. he should be ousted by treason. a lot of people in the states

have two and three jobs. they don't have time to look at politics. a day or two before that, they started reading facebook. they started to see hillary was crazy, and they should lock her what putin was saying. people were thinking, donald trump is a billionaire, so he must know how to do business. he infiltrated the people's brains, and people started voting for her. if you look at everything donald trump is doing, it is undermining what used to make america great. he is fighting like a street fighter. host: you are calling on the republican line, correct? caller: yes. host: did you vote for the president? caller: i believe america used

to have certain standards. mr. trump has totally violated what i used to believe. host: did you vote for the president? no, i did not vote this time. host: you did not vote at all. caller: i cannot understand why would we want to vote -- i knew about him. i read the art of the deal, and i was impressed. i found out he had not written the book. he paid somebody to write it. it was a sham. host: we are going to get some other viewpoints in. politico, it in was pelosi who started the verbal slap fight. asked about working with the president in the future. [video clip] >> how do you move forward from last night?

>> we will hopefully work with the president to build the infrastructure of our country. host: dan from massachusetts. caller: thank you for having me on. people,think most especially if they are watching saw program, they probably some of the testimony on tv when all these people were in there, all of the investigation. they were admitting to crimes in sworn testimony. it is the reaction of the press to how the public feels. there has obviously been an attack on donald trump since before he got elected president. look at how the media treated him.

the poll numbers. it is absolutely insane. what we have is we have a country that is being masked by the bullhorn of the media telling people how they should feel about things when any clear thinking individual, especially an american individual empowered with the ability to hold their , we arent accountable not doing it because people are working on personal feelings. you get all these people talking about donald trump. he is this. he is that. he is the other thing. he is crazy. he is a psychopath. do these people know him? as a kid, i figured out, we don't have personal relationships with these presidents. they are people. they all have faults.

perception is one thing, but when we start using perception to make decisions about how we then ourhings, perceptions are swayed, especially when the government is using propaganda with the media, using our tax dollars, misinforming us, lying to us, and it has been legalized under the 2012, national defense authorization act. how we find ourselves in this position. host: thank you for calling from georgetown on the independent line. we are asking about this latest war of words. is it getting too personal? we are going to take a step back and get some context on all of this. joining us on the phone is david hawking's, editor-in-chief of

the fulcrum. can you explain how unusual this is in terms of recent history and maybe farther back, this war of words between a speaker and a president that is obviously personal? guest: good morning. it is unusual. the word unprecedented is one that those of us in journalism should use carefully. beforet take you back ronald reagan and tip o'neill, -- i cannot take you back to the civil war when things were pretty grim, or the andrew or atn impeachment trial the beginning of the 19th century when things were pretty personal him and there was a caning on the floor of congress. my time dates back to the

mid-1980's. there have been speakers and majority leaders who have been angry at presidents, but i have never seen it devolved into this kind of personality, or where the president of the united states thinks it is appropriate or presidential to send out clearly doctored video of the speaker of her.ouse to mock host: we can remember the battles between president bill clinton and newt gingrich in the 1990's. is that an apt comparison? guest: it is not. they tried for some time to get along. hampshire, their contract with america. they got together to have a big meeting to see if they could get along on some things.

bill clinton was dealing with a republican speaker. newt gingrich and his republican rival for the 1996 presidency, republican bob dole, 1996 was one of the most productive legislative years i ever covered. they disagreed, and they had different visions of government. there was a government shutdown, but i don't think it was personal, certainly not in this way. similarly, barack obama and john boehner, they negotiated ardently for a big budget deal in 2011 after john boehner became the speaker of the newly elected house. the budget deal fell apart. they were angry. i think the harshest thing each one set about the other is that they did not think they were negotiating in good faith. it did not go beyond that. nobody was questioning -- neither one question the other

one intellect or temperament for public service. nothing like now. host: how did we get to this point? calls aree phone taking different sites on whose fault it is. how did we get to this point this year? begin i guess it did .ight after the election what we are seeing right now is not a surprise for those of us who watched and took literally what the president said two days after the election. a very long news conference in which he said he wanted to make more than anything else, there could be no negotiation so long as there was investigation was the rhyming couplet he tried that day. that he didty clear

not feel like he was obligated to negotiate with the newly elected majority in the house so long as they were exercising, which they had already made it they were going to do, their oversight responsibility under the constitution to investigate all manner of his behaviors. i would say that laid the predicate. this is maybe being old-school, he has always referred to the speaker of the house by her first name only. he does not have a nickname for her. he has always referred to the speaker of thehe refers to . you're supposed to call the speaker of the house mr. speaker or madam speaker. you're not supposed to use their first name. reply, mrs. pelosi's attitude

toward the president has been to try to goad him into losing his temper. there have been a couple of times when they have been in the oval office, one-time famously with the cameras running, where s. pelosiear that mr. was saying things that she knew would get under the president's skin, and they did. host: what happens next? to use a word from the speaker, is there any kind of intervention that would take place around them of anybody else in congress or the white house to get them back together and moving forward? guest: that is a terrific question. intervention, that is also a new low. the speaker using that kind of verbiage was different.

it is a great question. ofannot immediately think some members of congress who could be the bridge between the two sides. there does not seem to be a lot of -- not just no lack of collaboration, but even communication or bridge building from one side to the other. we have become a washington where even having conversations with people on the other side of the aisle makes you viewed as suspect. i cannot think of a senior secretary whonet could reach out and earn the president stressed and also the speaker stressed and try to put them back together. i think this is going to be a cold period. host: what is the fulcrum? guest: thank you for asking.

the fulcrum is a brand-new siteofit, nonpartisan news covering the various campaigns to make democracy work better. we are following the separation issues, like we are seeing here. we pay a lot of attention to campaign finance and the fight over gerrymandering and voting rights in the way our elections are run. there are a lot of elections going on in the country, a lot of people trying to make democracy work better. we are trying to cover that. host: thank you for your time and insight on this issue. guest: thank you. host: your comments on twitter. one viewer writes, any rational ok.lt knows donald is a cro this is how jim jones got those

people to follow him to jonestown. another viewer, nancy pelosi embodies everything that is wrong with politics, who thedies nothing other than ambition to oust donald trump. on the republican line, michael. good morning. you are on the air. caller: yes. that everything that is going on with this distracted a so .ot of the world is what about that reporter that ended up dead in saudi arabia? nobody cares about that. that guy had a whole family that nobody even looked into solving.

donald trump's reply when they asked him about that is saudi arabia does a lot of business with us. this is a guy that was part of your campaign -- not part of your campaign, but a u.s. citizen in general. why not give that much effort into figuring out what happened to this guy? i guarantee a lot of u.s. citizens possibly forgot this as well. in 2008 or before that, nobody remembers donald trump when he was on the wwe. this is the president. i did not vote for donald trump. this is the president a lot of people supported. i was watching the news just now, and he said women's percentage in working is high, so are you using that as leverage to still disrespect women?

nancy pelosi and donald trump -- the reason i respect nancy pelosi is she is going to stand her ground. she is going to stand up for what she feels is right and what she feels is wrong. host: thank you. luna is calling from kentucky. you are on the air. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: you are welcome. caller: what i was going to say today, i told that to pedro. nancy pelosi went to visit with the president for the first time with the illegals. nancy pelosi out of that white house, and she went back to the congress, and she said she will not work with the president on illegals because she wants everyone of them in here that so

she can get everyone of them democrats so we will never have another president. the fight between them started with nancy pelosi. she needs to be removed from the office because i feel like she absolutely done treason. she is going against the american people. she is not helping us. she is helping herself. i showed pedro the video. it got deleted after that. i cannot find it on my computer nowhere else now where she said that. host: thank you for calling. mr. hawking's talked about this doctored video that was apparently created. here is the tweet from the president the other day. he says pelosi stammers through a news conference. he tweeted this. a lot of talk about social media at this point. some are keeping it up.

some are taking it down. here is the actual video, which we first saw on foxnews. [video clip] >> sending signals to the u.s., mexico, canada, some people call it after nafta. some people call it nafta 2.0, working together to pass that. there are three things, three things, there are three things. we are very busy people. host: a look at the video, and the washington examiner follows up on this by quoting hillary clinton, who has stepped up to nancy pelosi's defense, sexist trash. croniesident and his have been spreading a doctored video. it is sexist trash, and it is a sign that donald trump is running scared. we heard you to took down the

video -- youtube took down the video. facebook left it up. dan is calling from spokane, washington. independent line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i hope everybody prays for our country because the divisions and the separations that we have in our nation is appalling, and it is also very sad. i have never seen this kind of vitriol in this kind of hatred that is going on i am an independent. i cannot vote democrat because they went so far left that i socialism andt inflicted upon a nation will ruin it, especially free people where individual effort and individual merit is

what succeeds and what we all need to strive for. thoserse, we need to help who falter and those who cannot make it. but the democrats have gone so far left. i truly believe they put all of their eggs in one basket with mueller, and for two years, all we heard is donald trump was a russian agent. i don't particularly care for donald trump. his policies are working. years isard for two she is a russian. he is an agent. it was all lies. how can anything get done if you are looking at the president of the united states as an agent of russia. it is crazy. he is not an agent of russia. he might not be the most likable person.

he might lack civility at times, but he is not what they are saying he is. his policies are working. people are working again in this country. why theynderstand don't work together and try to get something done because something can still get done in this administration before the next election. thank you for calling. we want to get some other viewpoints. the president landed in japan a couple of hours ago. the president getting off of air force one with the first lady. they had to dinner with japanese business leaders. are going to a sumo wrestling tournament. this is being described as largely a social visit, not so much a business or policy visit. the president is going to do a news conference with the japanese prime minister shinzo abe. he is going to speak to troops

in japan. this is all through this weekend. there is the president meeting with some japanese dignitaries. one of the headlines that came out had to do with the middle east. the u.s. is moving to strengthen forces in the middle east to counter iran. the new numbers, 1500 people. the president says they are mostly a protective role, 1500 to the middle east to counter iran got a lot of attention, made big news. here is what the president had to say about it. [video clip] >> we are glad to have protection. in the middle east, we're going to send a relatively small number of troops, mostly protective. some very talented people are going to the middle east right now. we will see what happens. it will be about 1500 people. there is this story in the

new york times this morning. they write the president circumvented congress friday by declaring an emergency over iran and moving forward with arms sales to saudi arabia, the uae, and jordan. backed in a is comfort zone of viewing diplomacy through the lens of .conomics and business deals after the killing of jamal khashoggi, the journalist in the saudi consulate in istanbul. i am disappointed said the top rating senate democrat on the four relations committee, not the president has failed to stand up for human rights and is instead granting .uthoritarian favors

we moved to ohio now, democratic line. feuddo you make of this between the speaker and the president? caller: i don't believe the politicians need to let it get personal. we discussed president trump and his derogatory nicknames. host: let me jump in. we will give you a tip time. how do you think it got personal in the first place? course, you have personal feelings when you are dealing with other people. some people will rub you the right way. some people will run you the wrong way. president trump started the derogatory nicknames he created with everyone that opposed his opinions and his idea, which is childish.

my biggest question to all americans, i don't care if you are independent, republican, or democrat. in our local governments, you want to stop corruption. you cannot stop it at the local if you do not stop it at the top and any standard regular person walking around, the police can put handcuffs on you and lock you up immediately for obstruction of justice. immediately. then you go to trial to find out if you are guilty or not. subpoena, any common american would be arrested and charged and going to jail for failing to follow. why are we allowing our politicians and higher position people in our government at national, state, and local levels to get away with crimes

that common people go to jail for? host: thank you. in texas. go ahead, warren. caller: i was angry for a long time with what was going on. laugh.m starting to i think it is a most biblical. i think the good lord, he looks down, and he says they are in duration, and they are sitting up there laughing. it really does make sense. i believe anybody that needs to study socialism and understand what socialism does in a country, it really deteriorates it and brings it down to absolutely bottomless. there is nothing left. as these presidential --

these people that are going to be running for president. why don't they give them drug tests, every one of them? they waved their arms around and act kind of silly. they ought to be held at the same level i was held for 40 years as a welder. even before as a navy military. we were all tested. i think they need to start testing these people in politics and holding them with the same rule. i'm sure president trump and mike pence would be glad to take the first one. these are just a few of my thoughts. host: thank you. let's see what jeremiah has to say, alabama, independent. caller: president trump is not a traditional president. he is shaking things up and getting things done. ,f he has to go around congress the only thing congress does is

bob things down, so he did not go that route. nancy pelosi, why would she insult the president just before going into the meeting to get infrastructure? i think the president should have gotten above his feelings and got that infrastructure taken care of. host: let me jump in. some of the earlier callers said nothing is getting done, and they are concerned nothing is going to be getting done. you said a lot is getting done by this president. what are you pointing to? to how heam pointing is standing up to iran, north korea, china. they are taking advantage of us. i like how he is dealing with nato. they need to pay their fair share. i like what he is doing on prison reform. i like what he is doing with the veterans. he gets things done.

do is get thee to requirements in education to fill these jobs. if you are insulting people, insult them, it shakes them up. before him neither party was doing anything. the democrats have taken the socialism position and wants to give away this country. nothing is free in this country. i have got to pay for it. host: jeremiah mentioning iran. over 70 retired military leaders signed a letter urging the president against war with iran. these military leaders wrote a single letter published in a publication that governs foreign policy and national security issues. as president and commander in chief, you have considerable power at your disposal to reduce the dangerous levels of political tension.

a group of several dozen military leaders, high-ranking military leaders. prelude to exploratory diplomacy on matters of mutual concern. they added that diplomacy, not armed conflict would be best. military retired leaders, more than 70 of them. out is a story that came from the hill. acting defense secretary patrick shanahan made the commencement address at the naval academy yesterday. not talk specifically about iran and the middle east but talk in general about sending troops overseas and had this message for the families and graduates at the academy. [video clip] day, we approach memorial we remember the ultimate price paid by some of the predecessors

of the class of 2019. in my capacity, the most difficult decision is authorizing a mission that i ofw puts the men and women our armed forces in harms way. i will continue to give those orders, but only when absolutely necessary. i may have to put your loved ones, those sitting in front of us today, in harms way. you know this. they know this. my pledge to you and to each of these incredible men and women and to my commander in chief is this, i will do whatever it takes to ensure those missions make the difference to keep our countries safe and free. i promise to the best of my ability to provide them with whatever they need to be successful. that is my commitment, and you

can hold me to it. that is a commencement speech we covered at the naval academy in annapolis yesterday. that speech will be part of our commencement series that run each night starting monday through friday next week. we will have commencement speeches from around the country. -- that very first speech on monday will be from patrick manahan. debbie calling from michigan. democrat. caller: good morning. debbie from flint. host: good morning. caller: i appreciate you letting me talk this morning. let's remind the viewing public that it is not nancy pelosi that has 10,000 lies. it is not nancy pelosi that has given the saudi's a pass for

jamal khashoggi. it is not nancy pelosi that is sending out these ridiculous videos. he does not get that he is the president and that he should be rising above some of these things. for the guy, dan in massachusetts, he said any clear thinker could determine that donald trump not a russian asset. let me tell you something, i am a clear theater, -- thinker, and i would never have to turn up i sound on the tv, but i saw him in the oval office with the , sawans, chuckling it up him in helsinki chuckling it up with putin. they need to impeach this guy. it is sad. it is very sad. i'm a very clear thinker. i appreciate your opinion. please don't talk bad about people. this last guy that called, he is

just yelling. when people start yelling like that, they have nothing to say. that is all. host: thank you for weighing in. we go to dave from south florida. caller: hi. i am 55. excuse me. 1986. been voting since [indiscernible] beyond belief -- [indiscernible] --example with melania trump [indiscernible] host: sorry, we are getting bits and pieces of what you are saying. we invite you to call back if you can. maybe we'll get a better connection. it is jean in pennsylvania. the young lady before

had it right on point. natural disasters, he is over in japan. this president had not spoken anything about the natural disasters. he is the president. he has to know that he is open for comments. he should rise above that. that was no class and doing that to nancy pelosi because she holds an office just as high as he does. also that understand he was so financially well-off, inis wining and dining trying to sell maga hats. be transparent. show your taxes. what would you like if nancy put behindweet how he walks putin? what if somebody got a video clip of that and put it on

facebook. he would not like it. he should not do it to others. shreveport,in louisiana. caller: this is murphy. i want to respond to people calling in and saying we're going to become a socialist country. the capitalists, they have it designed so we have to be a socialist country because the politicians, they will not pass any new minimum wage. bought.e been they don't campaign like they used to because they only get one donor that would give them the money. about nancy pelosi in the the president is supposed to hold himself to a higher standard. who, president

obama, they were waiting to tell ifhe was a matte black man he talked to people like trump d o. they say he is doing a lot of good for the country. he isn't doing nothing. said, they handed it all to him. he really destroyed everything they set up, the economy. they are beginning the handout to the farmers because he does not have a plan to deal with the chinese trade. he never explained how he was going to do it. host: thank you a lot. running short on time. we have been talking about what is getting done and not getting done on capitol hill. one item that was about to be complete was $19 billion in disaster aid for puerto rico and

various states around the country who have been having problems. congressman, texas he derailedhip roy, the $19 billion disaster aid sought by president trump and leaders of both parties. this bill was about to be passed. we were thinking it would happen yesterday morning. when the house came in, here is what happened. [video clip] >> mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to take from the table, senatel hr2157 with the amendment and to concur with the senate amendment. >> for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> reserving the right to object. >> the gentleman is recognized. i i am here today because if do not object, congress will have passed into law a bill that

spends $19 billion of taxpayer money without members of congress in present in our nation's capital to vote on it. it is a bill that includes nothing to address the clear national emergency we face at our southern border. there is no reason this disaster supplemental should not have included the $4.4 billion that the director of on the sent to capitol hill to ensure dhs and hhs did not run out of money, which they are slated to do while managing the over 100,000 illegal aliens crossing our border. this is a $19 billion bill that is not paid for when we are racking up $100 billion of debt each hour. this is a problem we should solve in congress rather than ignore. our nation is strong enough to have a responsive and fiscally responsive approach to help

people in the wake of natural disasters. we have had months to figure this out, and where now expected to let the swamp continue to mortgage the future of our children and grandchildren. that, i respectively object. >> objection is heard. pursuant to section 3b, the house stands adjourned until tuesday may 28, 2019. host: they try to do this by unanimous consent. chip roy blocked it. the move delayed the bill for at least 10 days and inflamed lawmakers in both parties. toincluded long-awaited a rebuild from the devastation of party and maria, which counted texas and puerto rico and americans from coast-to-coast recovering from storms and fires

over the last two years. described the move as sabotage. who is this congressman? he was ted cruz's first chief of staff. we also interviewed congressman roy as a series of freshmen profile interviews we did earlier this year. here is a short piece from that interview. [video clip] >> my mom and dad met in austin, texas. me who likese like low taxes. so is my dad. he was in auditing and data processing. technologyot of development in the 1980's and 1990's. he ended up retiring to texas. >> did he influenced your conservative roots? >> my family is generally conservative, but mostly from that standpoint of that can do spirit.

as i described my family and my grandmother and her influence on my life, figuring out how to make it work after she lost my grandfather and was raising my dad. i watched my dad worked hard despite dealing with the ravages of polio. he had to deal with the consequences of having had polio and never asked for anything, never looked for anyone to help him. he did what he had to. my mom sacrifice. that is the american way. it is the way of texas. it is why people are moving to texas to have the opportunity to by your ownexcel work ethic. that is what i want to compliment. texasrepublican from representing the 21st district. you can watch that whole interview with the congressman at our website, c-span.org. if you go to the search bar, type in his name, chip roy.

dallas news reminds us that he was the ghostwriter for energy secretary rick perry's book fed eed,and anti-washington scr they write. republican, it is jim. how are you this morning? host: doing well this fast doing well, jim. caller: those were the same one that let isis kill women and children around there before isis went over there, is that the same one? host: we get your point and get your question. what about our question about the president and speaker? caller: what did pelosi say before they went into meeting? didn't they make some comment

about trump before they went into the meeting? go ahead and finish up your thoughts, jim. caller: i'm asking you. didn't pelosi come out with something big on the news before they went into the meeting. host: there was a lot of back and forth between the president and speaker and a lot of different comments over the course of several days. i will give you one more chance to weigh in on the back and forth. any comment? caller: well, when you say something right before you go into a meeting about a man being a nut and then you want to expect him to deal with you, what kind of man would do that? who would do that? host: ok. thank you for calling, jim. a couple of promotional notes for programs we cover. later today, bernie sanders, running for president, will rally at the statehouse in vermont. it live coverage is at 2:00 p.m.

eastern time today on c-span. we will also cover the rolling thunder organization in its final motorcade possession -- precession at noon time tomorrow. there will be a speaking program at 1:30 p.m. lots of live action on c-span over the weekend, and we will be at arlington national cemetery for the national memorial day observance at 11:00 eastern on monday. coming up, a discussion on the state of the auto industry absent the recent layoffs at ford. we will talk with michelle krebs of autotrader. later, spotlight on magazine theories continues with the rising tensions between the u.s. and iran. and, the pended toll -- potential for -- in line john dale grover will join us. john dale grover will join us.

then, william weld. here's a look. >> on immigration, we need more visas, not less. i believe in secure borders, but i know that in the western part of the states, if you talk to any governor west of texas, they can't staff the agricultural and construction industries without the additional labor that comes over the mexican border. if they are not offer mexico, they may be from other countries. for example, canada has a successful worker program. people come and work, follow the construction season or growing season, work for four months in canada, and then go back home. the notion everyone who over stays there visa by 10 days in the united states is aiming to become an american citizen, that is a strawman, to scare people into thinking there are 11

million people that will jump ahead of them in line and get benefits of citizenship without --ting period on china without waiting period -- wa iting. backina, he has gone right to favoring the state owned enterprises, s o e -- s oez that that hemove -- soe's will move. they have these huge subsidies and it is not free-trade, by any stretch of the imagination. a fairaveled abroad amount in the last 20 years and china is beating our brains and say,se they come in and all i want is a five-year requirement contract for all of your cobalt and copper and platinum, and the countries go

for it because the u.s. isn't organized along those lines. we have to be tough with china. sometimes it's good to be tough. i don't think it is good to insult allies and ignore them. allies are force multipliers. that the president's instincts on international, economic policy, his first recourse is always tariffs, sanctions, negativity, bullying, and i think he overdoes that. announcer: washington journal continues. host: joining us this morning from michigan is michelle krebs, an executive analyst at autotrader. autotrader.com is the place to go for all sorts of information about the auto industry. michelle krebs, we asked you to come on to talk about the future of the auto industry. first, explain the little more about your organization, autotrader. thet: autotrader is part of cox automotive group in atlanta.

we have kelly blue book and autotrader, which are car shopping websites. we also own manheim auto auctions, which are wholesale auctions where dealers go to buy and sell used cars. then, we have a wide assortment of software companies. host: this headline really got our attention. it said the auto industry is cutting jobs at the fastest pace since the financial crisis. can you give details on what is going on in the auto industry? guest: what has happened is that we have had an amazing run for the auto industry, and the economy. i think it is 10 years this summer, of year over year sales increases for the auto industry. the auto industry led us out of the great recession. well, it is the cyclical industry and we are reaching the end of the cycle. andad record sales in 2016, they have been inching down a little bit. so, we are seeing what happens

when we are starting to edge down in the cycle. we will see production cut and layoffs. the other interesting thing about what is happening now -- that is very typical, traditional. but, we are also on the verge of a massive transformation of this industry. we don't know when that will happen, but towards electric vehicles, autonomous vehicles, so car companies are cutting costs on their current business, so they can invest in those future technologies. you will see two things coming together at the same time. host: so the immediate impact on people, according to a story in marketwatch, they talk about ford in particular planning workers. off how much worse will this get -- will this get another companies? guest: we don't expect this will be catastrophic.

we expect car sales will edge downward. the wildcard is tariffs and trade. that could change the picture, but it is a global softening. the whole world's sales were increasing. china is a huge factor. sales have been softening there, so that has an impact on everyone because it's the biggest market in the world. it's hard to say how much it could be cut, but every company is doing this around the world. host: in michigan is michelle krebs of autotrader. i want to take your phone calls on the future of the auto industry and for layoffs. if you are living in eastern or central time zones, call stephanie savell. -- (202) 748-8000. if you are in the mountain pacific region, your number is (202) 748-8001 and if you work

in the auto industry, please call (202) 748-8002. we have michelle krebs joining us from southfield michigan, just outside of detroit. tell us more about ford. we understand part of the cuts include this big, smart, redesign plan we have been hearing about in recent years. we know it is focused on trucks, suvs, commercial vehicles. they will renew three quarters of their fleet, we are told. can you tell us more about what fortis doing? known ford is well its f-150 -- ford is doing? guest: ford is well known for its f-150, its best-selling vehicle in decades. they are trying to diversify their line by adding the ford focus, ford fiesta, under a previous management. whencame at a time consumers were switching to sport utility vehicles and trucks more so.

wit were caught off guard the wrong product portfolio. right now, they are focused on sport utility vehicles and trucks, and eliminating a lot of their carline. at least in the u.s.. that is not necessarily true in all markets. that is true of most are lawmakers. general motors cut back on some of its car lines. fiat chrysler got out of a lot of the car lines quite some time ago. it is a global phenomenon. consumers just prefer a sport utility vehicle. they set higher, have more versatility for cargo and passengers, they feel a little safer, easier to enter and exit. the autohe thing industry doesn't get credit for -- these are nothe gas guzzling sport utilities of long ago. they've made phenomenal progress in terms of improving the fuel efficiency. that is not a huge penalty it

used to be. gasof course, with lower prices, people say all of the benefits are worth it for a little bit of penalty. host: t automotive industry has seen a significant shift as automakers deal with consumer demands and implementation of augmentation -- automotion. what happens with these many thousand people after they are laid off? guest: that's a good question. i don't know there are a lot of retraining programs. you would think about the lordstown, ohio assembly plant that used to make the chevy cruze cut down. that town was very dependent on that plant. it was its main economic driver.

i don't know what happens to a lot of those employees. any have gone to other plants that are thriving, so they have had to move away from home. issue weoing to be an have to address. automation has been coming into the auto plans for a long time, and carmakers have to think about the balance of people and automation. you mention how long i've been in the car business. i was there when general motors was very much automated -- motors very much automated its plant, and a lot of the automations didn't work that well, but they found people were needed in the process. even tesla found that automation couldn't do everything. automakers have to figure out the right balance, but it is a concern about where these workers go. host: let's get to calls for all gas. alan is calling from eugene, oregon. you work in the auto industry, correct? guest: i worked in the auto

industry -- caller: i worked in the auto industry since the late 70's and early 80's. -- just looktion at flint, michigan. it used to be general motors' capitol city. now it is no longer there. this has been going on for a long time. i don't see us getting away from automation. autotraderady from does she see any new things coming besides the hybrids and electrics? anything else coming down the road in the auto industry that she thinks may generate enough to keep automation from taking the jobs and adding more jobs? new in theelse is industry he is asking. guest: that's a good question.

towards more electric vehicles, so there will be a lot of emphasis on development of batteries, battery packs, fuel cells, hydrogen powered fuel cell vehicles will be proliferated at some point. thisomous vehicles, when takes place, and no one knows when that will be, it will be transformative. there will be no jobs created, especially in this new world -- you may not own a vehicle, for example. they may be owned by a fleet and you share it with a group of other people or you have on demand that you order a vehicle. that will create a lot of different kinds of jobs. in terms of factory jobs, i seet see huge -- i don't where huge gains will be made. we will continue to see automation. there will still be some significant jobs here in detroit

, fiat chrysler is building a massive plant to build jeeps and other vehicles, and they are going to hire 5000 people. there will still be jobs, it will just be less. host: larry is calling from miami, florida. good morning, larry. caller: good morning. buyuestion is, i wanted to a hyundaiona electric, and it's being offered in states with rebates right now, so i was wondering, is the auto industry to get the state level more help, rebates, and so forth? support tog stations get the electrics in across the country? guest: very good question. if we are moving to this electric vehicle future, we

definitely need an infrastructure of charging is inns, and that progress. i don't know how much government involvement there is, but there are organizations that are doing that kind of thing. one of the things you mentioned are incentives. credit,500 federal tax on electric vehicles, however, companies like gm and tesla have already met -- there was a ceiling on those, 200,000 vehicles. once the company got to 200,000 sold, they no longer had credit available. it windows down over time to nothing. dwindles down over time for nothing -- to nothing. toward ano go electric future, public policy has to incentivize that. i think there is debate about whether we will continue to see the electric vehicle incentives. there have been cities and

states that have done it at times. the state of georgia, where the company is based, had electric vehicle incentives. you saw a huge surge in electric vehicle sales. as soon as those went away, so did the electric vehicles. we may need something to get that technology off of the ground. we certainly need the infrastructure to support it. host: duane is calling from las vegas. how are you? caller: can you hear me? host: yes. go ahead. caller: i've build doors for cadillac. all the industry has to be streamlined and automated. however, when manpower and kelly services started outsourcing to the auto plans by paying people without medical benefits 10 to $15 less than what they were making in the auto plans, that was the problem. the state government was supposed to transition people into all of the better paying jobs.

when i got laid off from the auto plans, i went to a community college and took a training course to be a truck driver. that is what i do today. the state government, in line with general motors ford, was supposed to streamline people into all of the jobs. the union contract that should have been there, to retrain people, retrain people for high-paying jobs, not to work at mcdonald's. good point. there does need to be more effort in that regard to retraining people and there has been some. he mentions the community college that's not far from here. there are programs to retrain workers, but clearly, we need more of that kind of thing. he mentioned the different wages there. car companies have one wage and, for a while, and still do to some degree, have two different

tiers of wages and the plants, and that has been controversial. that's bringing younger workers and with lesser pay. that will be the subject of union talks that come off of the national contract for ford, gm, and national chrysler when they expire in september. host: what is the average wage these days for someone on the assembly line at a major company like ford or gm? guest: i think it is something like $20 per hour for the full uaw worker. the next level down, they don't like to call them tiers anymore, but it is less than that. the union is pushing to make it faster for workers to get up to the pay. host: take us deeper into the future of automated cars. you could begin at ford since we have been talking about ford. how do you see the future playing out there? guest: autonomous vehicles are

out there. you see them around here, see them -- there's one running around at the university of michigan campus. there's a lot of testing going on. there are a lot of issues around who ensures them, - -insures them, who's liable. there are technical issues to work out. gm has testing going on in san francisco. they believe if they can conquer san francisco, they can conquer anywhere with autonomous vehicles. google's way my is probably out isnt in terms -- waymo probably out front in terms of being most advanced. they have a lot going on in the phoenix area, where, as a normal customer, you can take advantage of the autonomous ride. a lot of testing is going on, and i think the future that we can envision, whenever it happens, is that these vehicles will not -- you and i will not

probably have an autonomous vehicle in our garage. these will be part of a fleet. initially, they will be in fleets that may be due a certain area, pick up people, to maybe take them to the public transportation or take then -- them to certain locations. there may be special lanes on highways where a ton amiss trucks canutonomous do more hours than a driver can. we have to think about the whole ownership situation. it will be different in the future. host: back to the phones for our guest. kathleen is calling from dayton, ohio. in morning. caller: hi. as a standard supporter, i went to a trump rally outside of dayton in 2016, and i had my son saying i'm a supporter and i

want to talk -- sanders supporter, i went to a trump rally outside of dayton in 2016. and, i had my son saying i'm a sanders supporter wanting to talk to trump supporters. i was asking how did trump hook you, and of course it was the jobs, better pay, tariffs issue, so we talked about a lot of the history of manufacturing in the u.s.. world war a ii vet, and he used to say both parties sold the american worker down the pipe. can you talk about -- now we hear it is automation that is grabbing these jobs, but let's talk about the export of the overseas ing arena the 70's, 80's, 90's, in regards to cheap labor. if you could talk about cheap labor peace, exec -- piece, executive pay between the 70's

and 80's between the top guys of gm, ford, and what the laborers make as well as the tariffs issue. i also want to bring up this pelosi-trump thing. they were both in the wrong on this arena. throughoutnbc just trump's comment first instead of pelosi's immature's comments -- immature comments about trump's mental health state. -- they areh both -- host: let me jump in here. there's a lot to cover. we will hold off on tariffs for a little bit, but if you could focus on those topics, that would be great. guest: that was a lot. those are all good questions. 1970's,o back to the the detroit three dominated car sales.

i can't even remember what the percentage was, but it was huge. they were building bigger cars, and then we had the fuel crisis and the embargoes. and the gas lines, if you are old enough to remember that, as i am. that made an opening for the japanese automakers to come in. they came from the motorcycle industry, like conduct, and smaller engines, more fuel-efficient, so the u.s. automakers were caught flat-footed. then, we had the voluntary restraint agreement where we limited the number of japanese vehicles that came into the u.s., until they build plants here. that turned out to be quite successful. she is in dayton, ohio, and not far from there is where honda has a lot of its manufacturing. automakers andn

the european automakers also came in. they all built plants here. her other question was cheaper labor. a lot of the components come korea, other places that are imported that go into vehicles. mexico, of course. you know, consumers in the u.s., while it is hard to imagine, we pay very high prices -- imagine because we pay very high prices automakers, it is low compared to other places. her other question was something about executive pay? executive pay for u.s. executives, even beyond the auto industry, is much higher compared to worker pay than say japan even. that is an issue. i think the other thing that is

-- automakers,t the is actives of auto -- the executives of auto companies need to understand the market and where'tis going so they design and engineer -- where it is going so they design and engineer the right vehicles for the market. there has been this big shift from cars to sport utility vehicles. some automakers were not prepared for that. now, they have to make changes. it is important for the management of auto companies to read the markets correctly, so they can prepare. it takes four years to develop a vehicle. they have to really have a good crystal ball. host: let's hear from john in wilton, connecticut. hello, john. caller: -- car business. what does the future hold for the way cars are going to be

retailed. number two, does tesla make it? caller: good questions. guest: on tesla, they are -- guest: good question. on tesla, their stock fell below $200 per share recently. they are struggling with financial issues. they have had challenges with production issues. i think, when we look back in history at tesla, tesla will be what drove us to move toward electric vehicles. on the plus side, they built an incredible brand. theave great respect for prestige and sophistication and appreciation of the technology for that brand. they've struggled in terms of and making money in the car business, because margins are slim. talkuture of retailing, we about that a lot.

a lot of our businesses, we provide computer systems to retailers. we don't see the dealership network we have going away right now, but there may be fewer dealers. they may be parts of bigger groups, companies like autonation and group 1, may be bigger unless there might be a dealer that has something very fabulous consumer service, boutique-y things like in the auto industry. least forate that, at the foreseeable future, the resell network will be -- retail network will be as it is today. host: let me put the tariff issue back on the table. explain the impact on tariffs and the ongoing debate over whether they should continue. well, so, tariffs are the

major topic of conversation with all of the auto companies. toyota, surprisingly, which is usually a quiet, reserved company, was very outspoken last week against tariffs on japanese goods. there's negotiations going on with europe, japan, and china, of course. our read is that the talks with japan and europe are being to leverage china. everyone's concerned about china, that they haven't played fairly. so, i think there is not a lot of debate on how we -- debate. how we do that is of issue. but, if we see 25% tariffs on weicles from japan, toyota, don't have many vehicles coming in from china, but components, we anticipate that that is a tax on consumers which will be passed along in prices of vehicles to consumers. when prices go up, sails go down

-- sales go down. we are in this off-peak time, so we will see sales decrease. there are estimates we could see sales drop by one million to 2 million vehicles per year if all of the tariffs go into effect. that decision has been postponed for six months. when you have sales go down, -- at their factories and that results in layoffs. for michellels crabb. good morning, tom. -- krebs. good morning, tom. caller: do you think the crisis and the fact that a lot of these companies, auto plants, arefacturing companies poised to lay people off because reasons, various

reasons for the decline. a need fory have certain materials. but, the fact that the president has used the fear of people losing their jobs to immigrants as a way of solidifying his position as president. and then there are corporations who are hiring these people, displacing americans, it is not that immigrants -- it is not immigrants, it is corporations causing people to lose their jobs because they can hire people at lower wages. if there was some law that the corporations -- said that the corporations could only hire so many people from various whatever, if there are openings for more americans and more opportunities for americans to train to learn different skills, rather than have to deal with influx of

people from various parts of the world who may or may not have the skills we need in order for them to sustain themselves. host: tom, thank for calling. let's get a reaction from our guest. guest: i don't think the immigration issue has a lot to do with where we are today. it's interesting that people immigrated to detroit, for example, to work in the car plants. that's many decades ago, but i don't think that is the issue so much today. today, it is more about -- and some of the nastier jobs in the car plants. we have gotten efficient in our plans. we have reached this peak, at the moment. it has always been cyclical. i've covered many of these ups , you know, cycles

of sales being up, being down, hiring, and then cutting jobs. i think it is more part of where we are in the cycle, and where we are in the history of the transformation of the industry. host: we are down to our last couple of minutes. bernie, thanks for hanging on in new york. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. cars thatking about will drive themselves, tractor-trailers driving themselves, but what about the corporations that will be running these operations, the people that will be laid off? shouldn't they pay a much higher tax? they're making more profit from that and not paying for insurance, not paying for retirement, and we're just going to let them get away with making more money. wifeext thing -- ian my

both work for a corporation -- me and my wife both work for a corporation. they decided they would go overseas, so they shut down the main plants. now, we are stuck with these idle. that seit who's paying the taxes on this stuff? this country is losing its way. that is my question. host: thanks. caller: those are bigger -- guest: those are bigger policy questions then i could address, but certainly, jobs being shifted to countries of lower ages is an issue and is country issue, not just the auto industry. he asked good questions about what is the business model going to be for these future technologies, especially autonomous vehicles. that is yet to be figured out.

lyft,icipate over and for example, will have autonomous vehicles. exampleand lyft, for will have autonomous vehicles. they make more money with that than cheap drivers right now. -- now? there are some any questions about how that business model will work. even google with waymo is trying to figure that out. they are all trying to find their way. there is more than just the auto companies involved. the tech companies are into that business. how thisess model is is going to work is every much a challenge as the technology. michelle krebs is executive analyst at autotrader. thank you for your time and insight on the future of the auto industry this morning. much appreciated. caller: thank you. host: we will take a short time out and return to a question we asked you in the first hour of "washington journal."

it has to do with president trump and speaker pelosi and their ongoing back and forth this week. which, has gotten a bit personal. the question for you, has it gotten to personal? democrats are (202) 748-8000. republicans are (202) 748-8001. independents are (202) 748-8002. we will be right back with more of your calls and reaction. ♪ announcer: monday, memorial day, american history tv and c-span's washington journal are marking the 75th anniversary of d-day. eastern,at 8:00 am alex kershaw and mary louise roberts.

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between president trump and nancy pelosi? we will get more of your calls and a little bit. here's a little bit from each. the president, again, stormed out. he first pounded the table, and walked out the door. next time, have the tv cameras in their, live. have my say, that didn't work for him either. this time, another temper again., i pray for the president of the united states. i wish his family or administration or staff would have an intervention for the betterment of the country. pres. trump: you saw me minutes later at a news conference, extremely calm. i was probably even more so in that room. i walked into the cabinets room, you have the group, crying

chuck, crazy nancy. i'll tell you what, i have been watching her for a long period of time. she is not the same person. she has lost it. host: that's a small flavor of the back and forth from this week. donald trump falls for nancy pelosi's trap is the headline. that's on cnn politics. president donald trump keeps taking nancy pelosi's bait. the house speaker spent the last two days provoking trump. president's wild, improvised response thursday suggests that the speaker is winning the hugely consequent a clash between washington's top two political forces. it's not often that trump, the man who is the most -- is turning trump's owns

arsenal against him, using the mockery and is forced to respond to a more nimble rival. that is one opinion at cnn. we will deliver more. first, let's hear from anthony on the republican line from lakeview, ohio. caller: good morning. thanks for having the most balanced network and all of television. host: glad you're here. caller: i feel that the personal disdain that trump and pelosi have for each other is not only bad for our governance. i'm also concerned about the way we have made personal -- made political disagreement into personal character flaws for us as a people. that is something the democratic societies cannot function with. host: so what does all that mean? what does the future look like to you then?

caller: i'm concerned about what it will take for us to take a step back from this. i do think some of our states that are polarized might end up petitioning to become separate states, and i just hope that becomes a wake-up call to us, that we need to stop personalizing our disagreements. host: anthony, have you voted regularly over the years? caller: i turned 18 on election 1988, and i have never missed a primary or general. host: and you will keep it that way, despite what you are hearing? caller: absolutely. host: i ask that because one caller said they are checking out and will not vote anymore. our next caller in south carolina. go ahead.

jump inou start, let me and remind all the colors, keep the sound down on your set. we won't get that feedback and we will be happy to have a much clearer conversation. caller: is this better? the bottom line is this -- forefathers set our country up to be run by different entities. no entity should be stronger than the other. they wanted it as fairplay. -- fair play. our congress, senate, and president, right now, is like a cartoon show with all of the bickering back and forth. i can understand debate, but intoyou get personalized, carrying on back-and-forth, and making outrageous statements, these people should be either voted

out and get new people in that can work with one another and have an honest debate about the ,roblems the country is having because, unless we get those things and people start to learn respect and demanding respect from our elected officials, it's going to be a barnum & bailey circus. that's what it's like watching the tv now. watching about our government. dorienne? what do you think of this? caller: i think things have gotten way too personal. i think it has been getting worse over the recent years. personally, i think president trump is making a mockery of a lot of people. i think it is getting way too

personal between both president trump and name see pelosi. i think it is time -- nancy pelosi. i think it's time for our startcal system to focusing on the issues and taking away the personal attacks. pelosi's pragmatism on impeachment may backfire if house democrats failed to impeach trump. won't it weaken their 2020 case that he is unfit for office? this is also this from "the guardian." "trump beat pelosi? how a stable president met his match." we have rachel from reading, vermont. good morning, rachel. caller: hello. hi. i think this goes back to the twitter days on how everybody, even on the republicans, at least on what it seemed like he was going over the top then. i was on the fence about the twitter thing, but i think this

could mimic that, in some peoples eyes, perhaps, in his over the topness. he is only hurting his chances for a reelection. host: thank you for calling. rick, what would you like to say in birmingham, alabama? caller: yes. i think both parties have developed tunnel vision. they have disregarded the american people. i'm not gonna say -- i am a democrat, but mr. john mccain is an american hero of mine. thank you. host: thank you for calling. this story from the hill is breaking in the last bit of this morning. the president's citizenship and immigration head is out. the head is out. he's charged with implementing president trump's immigration agenda and leaves. he sent a letter to the agency

staff on friday evening confirming that he had submitted his resignation, effective june 1, and he submitted it "at the request of the president." "as an immigration policy professional dedicated to the rule of law, i appreciate this opportunity to serve. hewas a unique experience" wrote. that trumphere reportedly expected to tap a former virginia -- ands an agency within dhs is tasked with overseeing legal immigration to the u.s.. there's a place where you can read more, more about the war of words, this feud between the president and speaker. manchester, new hampshire now. eric, are you there?

caller: yes. host: can you turn the sound done on your set as well, eric? we will hear you better that way. caller: sure, i can do that. how is that? host: fine. go ahead, please. caller: yes. pelosi.o talk about i think she is unstable, unhinged. francisco, and the old folks home, that's where she should be living. she should not be a speaker. thanaker should be better calling people names. trump, anybody else, voters, she always criticizes everything, and she is [indiscernible] that's all a saying. host: paul is calling from an etiquette.

hey, paul. caller: i've been watching these programs over the day. thatxtremely elated president trump is taking a stand for a change -- stand, for a change. in addition, i listened to perlow c twice or three times today -- below sea twice or three times today. losi twice or three times today. if you read the documents from the church, there is no way you could be a devout catholic and support pro-choice. abortion is wrong. however, if you are not a catholic, you may have a choice there. however, she should not be calling on catholics to vote for her, and at the same time, support abortion. host: ok, paul. thanks for calling. in case you missed the news, a federal judge in california has halted the president's bill to plane parts of the border wall. this is a story in the "l.a.

times" this morning. a federal judges blocking the president from building sections of this wall. that is heywood gilliam junior, the judge, on friday. he immediately halted the use of funds while granting a eliminate or he junction. they right here that the critics who objected to the administration's move said it overstepped its authority by funneling millions of dollars toward the president's campaign promise without authorization from congress. preliminary injunction plans to would add 50that miles of fence to the mexican border, set to begin as soon as today. this prevents federal officials from "taking action to obstruct a border barrier in these areas." that is a piece in the "l.a. times" this morning on all of

this. i'm sure the story will continue , and we will bring you more as it does. dave, thank for calling and hanging on. democratic line, hi there. caller: i was in the military, and the first thing they ask you in-service when you take the oath is, are you a communist? donald trump comes across as a communist. he brings the russians into the office. there is something mentally wrong with this guy. he's not for the american people. he is for himself. he will hurt a lot of people. he said the fbi are all bad, and he is good. he is messing with us, man. he will get us into a nuclear war. wait and see. we will get into a war with iran. he got rid of a deal that was keeping them from getting nuclear stuff. now, he would get us in a war. who will pay for this war?

are they going to tax the rich or tax the american people? there is something wrong with this guy. he's a pathological liar. i don't get it, man. he's like a dictator himself. he likes all of the bad guys and hates all of the good guys. that's my comment. i can't understand why these people are still for this guy. this guy is a mental case. host: thank you for calling, dave. we have virginia on the line. is it marykate? caller: maryfate. good morning, and take you for -- thank you for taking my call. i'm commenting about how the president is going back and forth with congress. know, this year, we are celebrating women, it is the hundred years since congress passed the law for women. schoolteacher, i am

empowering boys and girls and telling girls they can do as much as the boys, but mutual respect has to be a base for everything. seeing how the president is talking about women, just before he got to be president, is not showing a good example of what a country -- if his check and -- democracy. let everything be in the open. [indiscernible] i don't disagree with him on everything. like the tariffs. how china is, you know, taking advantage of the u.s., he is doing that, but doing it the wrong way. if he was having allies work with him, and you can't always be right. you have to set an example for the younger generation.

sometimes, you have to look at that. like i tell the elementary youol children, see if have something to do with the situation and maybe you can find a solution before i can help you. i will just be an observer. tot is the advice i gave the president, the same advice i give to children. after this program, at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, we will show you our entire studentcam entries. this was a competition that students were asked to answer, through video, what does it mean to be an american. after the program, we will spend two plus hours showing you all of the winning vignettes, back back and we will be taking your comments on that, via social media, what it means to be americans. we will be watching for your

feedback and read some of those comments on the air as well. a couple of other program notes to tell you -- bernie sanders, the senator and democratic as a dental candidate will be in his --e state of vermont today presidential candidates will be in his home state of vermont today. that is live at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we will replay it tonight at 8:00 on c-span. tomorrow, we will be with the final motorcycle procession they will do. they have been doing this for years. they will go from the pentagon, to the lincoln memorial, and after the ride, rolling thunder will hold a rally with remarks by the veteran secretary. that's life coverage at noon, eastern time, of the procession. about monday,t and memorial day, at 11:00, we will have the memorial day observance at arlington national

cemetery. janet, think you for waiting republican, good morning. caller: good morning. host: what would you like to say about the speaker and president? guest: i don't want to complain about any ashen line -- caller: i don't want to complain about anything, but it is irresponsible for people to use their positions of power to detract to the american people from what is really going on in the world. like i said, it is irresponsibly detracting our attention from the major problems we are having now with our country, with this childish going back and forth, na na na na na. it's not even interesting, really. it is kind of disgusting, because we need straightforward thinking people, need people that have their eye on the

situations going on in the world, as far as the political balance and all of the things that are changing that is so hard for us to keep up with, all of these little intermittent squabbles going on. and, name-calling is destructive. we can't put up with this. mark thatar off the we need, we need to project how strong america is. the legs of america are being cut off with the finances and garbage going through the white house, and all of the arguing, we don't have the strength to stand up and be the country that america has always been. it breaks my heart, because i feel like we are losing what we

need to have to overcome some of the problems going on in the world. it's not just the united states. it is everywhere. host: thank you, janet. john from kansas, the democratic line. hi, john. caller: caller: hello. -- caller: hello. my folks registered me as a democrat when i was 17 years old. i'm 80 years old now. i've never voted a straight party, but i have never, in my life, been so ashamed of my party as i am now. they're like a bunch of whiny, crybabies. they can't get over it. the man is our president. i don't care if he is democrat, republican, independent. you should show some respect. i had so many people accusing me of so many things at once, there is no way i would be able

to keep track of it all and keep a straight face. the man is trying. work with him. my party that of i will vote straight republican next time. i don't care who's running. it has irritated me to no end. after 80 years, it is time for them to straighten up. host: thanks for calling, john. the president is in japan meeting with the prime minister and others. it's more of a social trip rather than a business or policy related trip. here is a headline in "political." "absolutely unprecedented. why japan's leader tries so hard to court trump." they are talking about shinzo anxiety has deeper the u.s. president keeping him close. write, to they understand i bay's surprising

relationship is to understand the deep insecurities that have surprisingn -- abe's relationship is to understand the deep securities that have developed in japan. north korea continues to develop nuclear weapons and missiles capable of delivering them to japan and relations with south balance help tokyo these threats. that is some of the insight into what is happening in japan these days. president will be there for a few days. we will see has conference over the weekend and remarks. watch this network for those items. sugar land, texas. tracy is calling on the republican line. good morning. caller: hi. the congress has been dysfunctional under paul ryan.

it is dysfunctional under nancy pelosi. thank god for trump, because he is the only person getting anything done. he does it. how he just needs to do it, because they wont to do anything. , leave messages on your phone i tell them to get something done. that's what we want to see. host: one final thought from rudolph nla. democrat, good morning. -- in la. democrat, good morning. caller: they seem to forget, and i'm just using an example, but they seem to forget when trump and hilary were campaigning. i don't think they paid attention to how trump walked back and forth, walking up behind hilary while she was speaking. that's the first time i've ever seen that in my life. i've never seen anything in a

campaign, people doing stuff like that. it seems it has been overlooked. have time for another we have time for another call, maybe more. matthew is a new jersey, independent caller. good morning. matthew. caller: good morning. i believe that the media is overflowing some of the facts. lowing some of the facts. the media's hostile -- host: who do you read and watch the most from matthew? , oner: i like c-span medianews -- host: are you saying we are against the president? , c-span is fair, but the majority, overwhelming,

over 90% of the media is ofative or hostile coverage our president, earlier quoting cnn, which is a total joke. way, on the flip side, they do not report the president's accomplishments, suchas veterans' choice, as creating more jobs, lower and more companies to come back -- allowing more companies to come back to our country. and they do not allow also, sir, openthe democrats are for borders, because they are for protecting criminals in sanctuary cities. criminals that were protected in sanctuary cities murdered a 14-year-old because they would not hand them over to the federal authorities. report that,l not the majority of the media.

problem, and against people, their hostility toward the president, gets people who may be on the fence or do not know all the facts, because they do not report all of the facts, a positive facts, can get people more agitated more easily. host: we understand, matthew. thank you for calling. chris is calling for madison, wisconsin, democratic caller. ey chris,. caller: i was calling about the attacks on mrs. closely by president trump. pelosi by president trump. he is like the schoolyard, all of this, congress is just like "na na na na na."

this is our country. forget that he is stonewalling the entire congress from doing anything come of the country from doing anything, him and mitch mcconnell are not letting anything being governed. ,nd with the attacks on pelosi --t doctored video, that maybe 80 treaty, that video attack was done by fox news, but that is straight propaganda. i mean, people have got to pay

attention to what is going on these that's what they these,ese, uh, uh, with i forget the name of these videos. -- videos or something like that. host: chris, thank you for calling. betty is calling from mount vernon, republican color. -- caller. caller: good morning. host: what do you make of the feud with the speaker? said thatll, pelosi donald trump is covering up something, but what i want to say is the law is for the little people, not the lawmakers. if barr is not under oath, he's

you go to jail. that is perjury. donald trump abstracting, that is a crime. to you are telling people disobey subpoenas. if that were me, they would lock me up for all three of them. so that let's me know that the is for the big people. the law is for the little people, not the lawmakers. i wish they would impeach donald trump come as he could be indicted. to jail,y this butt just like his cronies is. are in jail except for him, and he is the mastermind, and katie's to go to jail, too. thank you. guest: betty was the last call. when we come back, we will talk

with john dale grover of the national interest about u.s.-iran relations and what he sees as a potential for a miscalculation that could lead to. military conflict also, "usa isay's" jayne o'donnell going to join us to talk about teen suicide. the numbers are way up. we will be right back. ♪ >> watchable tv all day memorial day for noting featured authors. at 11:05 a.m. eastern, you talk republican senator mike lee weighs in on government over she overreach.

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was a group of northerners at a locked inoutherners arms, running at each other in the house of representatives, and several of those sent this does not look like a normal congressional fight, this looks like north against south. this looks like a battle. and that is really striking. doing, it certainly does look like a battle, and it is not long before the civil war. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> "washington journal" continues. this is our spotlight on magazine segment, and we are talking with john dale grover of the national interest. is the assistant managing director. i worried you to talk about iran for a couple of minutes. let me show you the headline from the ap, the good news coming out of we enter the weekend. the u.s. moves to strengthen force in the middle east to counter iran. the number they are putting out is 1500. when you hear this news, what do you think? we areit makes me think

overreporting the danger that iran s posing to us, considering are highlighting fears that has changed a little bit, but i think we should be concerned about that. tensions andgoing the difficulty on their part of the entire thing. guest: are there dangers from iran right now? the secretary of state, and a national security adviser, say that there are. what do you think? guest: i think there are. it is one thing to say there are proxies, we have to worry about our threat to u.s. service but they are not russia and china, the do not have nuclear weapons. this kind of speculation is not helpful. host: so your piece in the "national interest," john dale grover, america must not stumble into it third world war. what are you saying here?

guest: we need to think about real threats. the trump administration laid out their own national security strategy. when he to think about shifting away from this. elected on not ensuring all of these long wars that he inherited from bush and from obama. not in the interest of have another one, and it is not in the interest of the american people, either. host: let's put the numbers on the screen for our guest, john dale grover. we will take calls for democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 retiredve in th military, we have a number for you (202) 748-8003. look forward to getting to our calls for john dale grover, assistant managing director for the "national interest." exactly what is the "national interest"? guest: the center for the

national interest is a think tank in washington, these the. we have -- washington, d.c. we have debate on research, what is the best to do for us some idea people from all over the political spectrum as well. host: you write "tehran is not an enemy. there is no immediate danger, and a preemptive war would be the reaction that would cost american lives, money, and bandwidth. " management and the latest chapter. what is the proper management as you see it? guest: proper management is committed asian. one of the things that made reagan so brilliant as he tied peace to strength. willing to deter soviet but also cash out payments with them. when you look at the iran deal come on both parts, but

essentially, we have the same thing to work out, but it stopped them from reaching the objective. that is the thing if we can stop them from doing that. right now, we will keep pushing each other, and it is a dangerous situation. host: what do you make of the leadership in iran, and are they willing to communicate? guest: i think they are. rouhani was elected on "maybe we can find some common ground," even though we have to talk with mutual enemies. now iran's partial withdrawal, hard-liners in our administration and in tehran's administration are saying "we have got to go." host: was the iranian nuclear deal a good deal? guest: i would say yes if you save the primary objective is to stop them from creating a

nuclear weapon. is it for stopping military tests? no, but you build up. we can deter them, talk to them, and find a way to manage them as of did with the soviets. our next call in garden grove, california, independent caller. go ahead. caller: good morning, john. thank you for your commentary on here. i want to say that i think this is just another diversion tactic of trump being backed into a corner for one, and number two, ishink the war hawks, who mike pence, john bolton, and mike pompeo try to drum up another skirmishes right to get us into an international catastrophe and maybe caps off world war iii. host: kelly, why would they want to do that, do you think? caller: i think they want to

line their pockets from the industrial complex, and i think they really do not care. is anyt think there blood on their hands. they can send it out, and this is how they act. host: kelly, one more question, we know the president at that publicly he does not want any conflict with iran. you are talking about some of the folks around him. what do you make of that dynamic in the white house? caller: we all can trust what trump says, because he is so honest, isn't he? host: that was kelly. your thoughts? guest: i would certainly not say that trump's advisors are pushing for a third world war and all of that. if we are going to talk about different worldviews, absolutely, they come at it with a very different mindset, bolton in particular, thinking, hey, the only way we will ever have peace is if we had regime change.

but as you see in libya, iraq, and i can get bus met the very quickly. host: stephen, you are on the independent line as well. good morning. caller: good morning. iran in pursuit of nuclear weapons or a nuclear power in some way? what are they saying that they are going after in terms of nuclear technology, and why should we not be concerned about such as iran having that kind of technology? guest: it is a good question. i would say we should be concerned about them pursuing that technology. we definitely would not want them to have that, which is the purpose of the iran deal. currently, they say we will by enrichinghdrawn more you marr uranium than theye currently allowed to, but not much. he does not want to face off against the most powerful country on earth, so he needs to find a way to say hey, and kind

of withdrawal from the deal, but he does not want to go so far. i think iran is hoping for a diplomatic solution for this. host: do other countries or should other countries in the this? have an interest in what should they be doing or saying right now? guest: well, i would like to again,hat most of them, it depends on the country that we are talking about. we're talking about saudi arabia, israel, rivals of iran, they certainly would be ok with more military solution, but either way, we need to work with our allies to deter and to make sure that iran is not do anything. but again, i would separate the two. you want to deter some things, but you also want to talk on some things. host: this headline in the "new york times" and elsewhere -- trump circumvents congress to sell weapons to the middle east allies. he is moving forward with arms sales to saudi arabia, uae, and

jordan. these are sales that have been blocked by congress last year. less of criticism from lawmakers, but what do you think? we shouldannot think be selling weapons to those countries. if you look at the conflict in yemen, a lot of people have died. i do not think that morally and even in our national interest there is a reason to support this conflict theory that does not mean without our allies we should not worry about the objective. line for military, active and retired, rudolph. caller: good morning. i would like to talk for a moment about the divide in our country. i was sent to germany in the 1960's, and we had a long bags in frankfurt, germany. it was the mason-dixon line. we have the northerners in california on one end, and we

have the southerners on the other, and we do not mingle. we just had nothing in common. the weekend pass, the southerners would stay in the barracks and buy cheap american beer and get drunk, and the northerners would go out on the town. sorry, you southerners, but that is the way it was. we were divided, and we are still divided today. host: a question for our guest while we have him here. at the phe german beer x, but no, they chose cheap american beer. there are people working on the bipartisan divide, people, reachk to all sides from different points of views, different conversations to help people have these different conversations about social

issues, so there are people working on these issues. host: let's go to eugene, salt lake city, democrat. hi there. caller: yeah, hi. iran is going to be the new iraq, and if we are not careful, we're going to have war crimes against us for killing all of the, you know, for buying weapons. host: so, eugene, what do you think the u.s. policy should be at this moving forward? we shouldll, i think be with our allies, and i do not supplyinghould be weapons where isis is or all of these radical groups, you know. and i think we need to be more accountable on the world stage. host: what does accountability look like to you? caller: well, it is a strong u.s. n. the different leaders

from all of the different countries stepping in and having a bite to it. right now, it does not have a bite. host: heavy's ineffectiveness rom the u.n. in recent years, and in what area? caller: know, i have not. the u.n. has been neglecting its duties to keep these powerful countries in line. face recalling, eugene. what about the u.n.? interesting point that he brought up. guest: i think they try to hash things out. my opinion would be on the form rather than saying it is something we should overly strengthen, which i do not think is possible. i do not think it is so weak that we can say oh, we can just leave it, for it is not important.i think it matters . host: we're talking with john dale grover this morning of the "national interest." he is the assistant managing

editor, and we are talking about issues with iran. we want to talk about north korea as well. they have been talking about russia and china. what do you see there? any concerns in any area? to the theoryack where each side is exchanging threats, global threats, having tightened military activity, engaging in the type of aeschylus or a behavior where becomes personal and very much a tit-for-tat. we worry about the spiraling out of control. thatis why it is important both sides have offices, we need to have an open china communication. we learned that in the cuban missile crisis. we need to find ways to have some confidence building. it does not mean that you think they are wonderful. but it does mean that you talk instead of just searching for military remains after the korean war. host: what do you make of the

breakup after the last summit?should there be another summit ? what purpose would it serve? guest: if there is another summit, certainly the purpose should be to restart negotiations. ask for everything upfront, north korea wants a lot of sanctions released some of that is a nonstarter for us. what i would say is about the way had no way grew up is if -- if we engage, is and say we will give a little bit here and there, that is what of like happen, but in the last eo, it looks like it did not work out. that is the thing to emphasize. deal,lmost had a step-by-step, and both sides left the door open. host: let's get back to calls. it is bernard in wisconsin on our line for active and retired military. good morning, bernard. caller: good morning.

baser c-span. i watch every morning. usss on group 1 constellation in the u.s. navy when we try to rescue the hostages. one, if the iran deal with such a good deal, the president the treaty, the senate ratified it. president obama did not send it to the senate, there for the next president can do what he wants. i would like you to comment on that. and second, on the mission, i saw it on the teletype, where president carter ordered the abort, and ever since then, we have been running scared from iran. host: harel, what were those times like for you? caller: oh, it was just a job. host: anything beyond that you want to tell us? caller: i just cannot comment on what was going on, but i was there, and i think we should

have went in and rescued the hostages instead of running scared. host: ok. if little bit of historical perspective from someone who was there. any response? guest: i would say obama certainly should have given the treaty to the senate to ratify. that would have been the correct constitutional thing to do. i'll also think republicans in congress should not be so skeptical about trying to build something. we have had a grimace of soviets, with the chinese for a while. they have nuclear weapons. the iran deal took two years to put together. i would say that absolutely he should have submitted it to the senate. understand time, i wanting to go into get those hostages, i think that makes sense, too. undery, we were to weak carter, and we had a corrected underrated. host: let's hear from rachel in memphis, tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning.

i wanted to comment on our actions in the middle east. we are allies with saudi arabia, funder of the lobby extremist form of terrorist groups, and we give an unbelievable amount of weapons, and we are also allied with israel, who has committed more espionage against the united states, including selling stealing nuclear secrets and nuclear technology. we overthrew their government in 1953 and installed a horrific dictator, we have sanction them, crippled them with economic sanctions, that is economic terrorism. i am really offended, and i find it outrageous that we are even conduc contemplating starting a war with iran who should not

be under so much pressure by us just for wanting to have an independent foreign policy and determine their own destiny. host: so, racial, what should policyropriate foreign detour iran -- be toward iran? [no audio] number one -- caller: number one, pursue diplomacy, not bring them into submission. that should be number one. common decency between states. we should not act like we are superior. saudiwe allied with arabia who, hillary clinton and other officials, have overly admitted that they are the chief funders of al qaeda and isis groups, and we give them how much and weaponry? we seldom how much in weapons? contradiction a

in our policy, and i do not know if our officials think that the republicans too ignorant to figure this out, but here in flyover country, we know exactly what is going on. [laughs] host: rachel, thank you for sharing your thoughts. aest: we have definitely made lot of progress with our allies, maintaining our influence in oil supply post-world war ii, especially with the saudis. i think it is definitely passed on to have some kind of a reckoning to kind of rethink our alliances in the middle east. that question is how are we going to get there, because saudi arabia and others have a bipartisan consensus. host: the administration is supposed to be releasing soon a middle east plan, a revised plan for the middle east. what are you anticipating? guest: i am anticipating that to include an attempt at some kind of a peace deal.

frankly, i am not exactly helpful for that. we will see how it goes. i think it is always good to try those sorts of things, the behavior we engage in is not conducive to that. we will see what that looks like. host: i meant to ask you more about china, too, and the recent trade tensions. while they could be resolved, but do you see those trade tensions leading to other larger problems in other areas of the u.s.-china relationship? guest: seeking for myself, i am worried about china finally pushing back because we have had so many years of intellectual property theft. back,re finally pushing and a lot of people who watch china, like myself, they owe, we we are finally pushing back. but god for bid, there is an accident or crash in the south it tosea, you do not want get so bad facing a trade war

that you are facing an actual harm question the question is how do you push back but don't go too far. host: let's hear from jacob in memphis -- is it michigan? go ahead, sir. caller: yes, sir. how is that going? i have some curiosities for the young man on the unarmed conflict. what role do you think that israel is going to play in this, and do you think they will push more aggressions toward syria due to the fact that the united states is their ally, and syria and iran are essentially allies at this point? host: thank you, jacob. israel has an say interest in making sure iran does not have nuclear weapons. they have killed iranian scientists before. part of it is also that rivalry, so they want to make sure that they can push back. you can assume it will take a very hard line on iran. syria, too, they want to make

sure proxies on iran are not doing anything that could jeopardize israeli security. the middle east is a very hard doggy dog plays, and everyone is very sensitive. host: and to our last couple of moments here, joel from massachusetts and a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am particularly concerned about the news the last couple of days about the trump administration bypassing congress to send arms to saudi arabia. with all of the things that we know about the trump family, jared kushner, and their relationship with mbs, it raises a ton of concerns about the way they are approaching foreign policy, particularly with concerns now with this news about iran. i want to get some of your thoughts. host: we touched on it a little bit, but do you want to add more? guest: it is important that we remain checks and balances, regardless of what party is in

office, in the interest of the american people in general, and that we are doing things with proper oversight. host: let's hear from grace. grace will be the final call here. wednesday, massachusetts, independent. hey there. caller: i agree with the woman. same going to say the things that she did, the history of iran, how he brutalized his own people. but i also feel you have got to look at 911. that came from saudi arabia nationalists. and then also look at the fact that many countries came up with a plan for nuclear weapons. so when you kept something in place, you do not destroy it. you build on it. and we do not do that. i look at what is happening, we are selling guns to saudi arabia so we get oil and all of this craziness. what is happening to those children in yemen? heart is bleeding. i do not know what is happening to my country, and i think -- i

look at congress, and they do not work together. this is not the country i remember. i am 85 years old, and i am very, very sad. i think you have to work together for peace and not for war. it is the middle east, like a time bomb there. from what i understand about jared kushner,'s plan is to give business deals. the palestinians do not want that. they want their independence. so i think we have got a long ways to go. this young man for speaking out, because i do not think all americans are listening. that is my hope, that somehow we will not have a war, that we will not be sending young people in to die. we went into iraq under the wrong principles as well. so we have to rethink our political, uh, history. host: understood, grace, thank

you. you have the final word there for the segment, from massachusetts. let's hear one final thought from our guest. guest: thank you for the comments, everyone. i appreciate it. i will say that the middle east has diminished in importance, and that is a reckoning a lot of people in washington have had. of oil,the expor worry about nonnuclear countries, and make that shift to our alliance structures and where we are focusing our resources on. host: our guest has been john dale grover, assistant managing editor at the "national interest ." .org.nalinterest thank you for your time and your opinions. guest: thank you for having me. host: one more short timeout, and we will be back for the saturday edition of the "washington journal." for the last half hour, we will turn to teen suicide and access to mental health services. we will talk to jayne o'donnell we will take," and

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public health measures are going on the wrong direction, and teen suicide is one of the most troubling. the rate is going up even faster butafrican-american teens, they are at a lower level. teens are being diagnosed more. that is not necessarily mean that there is more, but there is more of a recognition that they issue, which often leads to suicide, and there is a lack of treatment. host: you write in a piece of research from federal regulators to medical, suicide rates for raisepeople aged 10 to 19 56% from 2007 to 2016. why such a big increase? most research shows come as you might imagine, all of those parents complaining about social media were not all wrong. is blamed for a lot of it, but it is not the only problem. it is the pressure placed on kids. there is a lot of science now behind the trauma that affects

children, whether in washington, d.c. where we are, or in a more affluent area like fairfax county, divorce, parents with alcoholism, with is very common. thed a story that d.c. have highest rates of alcoholism in the country. who threw colts row, professional, or economic reasons do not want to that their kids have a problem committed turns into addictions and problems later in life. are talking with jayne o'donnell about suicide and mental health services. we will have two lines for this segment. we will do this for about 22 minutes. teens and parents, we will have a single line for you. (202) 748-8000. everyone else, (202) 748-8001. again, jayne o'donnell, health policy reporter for "usa today." you have been doing this for many years now.

one of the other figures in your piece says that only 40% of young people with major depression got treatment. how does that 40% compared with years' past, and why is that number where it is? guest: i do not know that the person has changed, but that it is a much bigger problem. one of the psychologists i spoke to from rutgers university sai there has been improvement, but it cannot keep up with the increasing problem. there is just more suicide, more beds.or inpatient i was talking with a friend on the way over here, and she was dealing with a suicidal young person just yesterday. if you go to children's hospital around here, which has many terrific services, you might set for seven hours and weight in a room with no jewelry, no electronics, in a very dismal situation. host: do you have a sense of how much money is being spent around the country but government and

other entities? many tens of billions of dollars, and it is costing many tens of billions of dollars in lost productivity. but these people are not getting help, and then they become parents. look around us. so many of our friends had late in life addiction and ended up , or big bills at the psychologist or psychiatrist. these are problems that were not being recognized when they were young, but they are being recognized now. but there are no places to go or people to treat them. host: some more facts, mental health facts, children and scenes, one in five children aged 13 to 18 have a serious mental illness. 20% of them live with a mental health condition. 11% mood disorder. 10% of youth have a behavioral conduct disorder. and 8% of youth have anxiety disorder. mi.t is from an

what is anmi.org? guest: the special alliance of mental illness. host: what needs to be done? you mentioned a lot of money being spent already. do more facilities need to be open? what is the role for students and parents in all of this? guest: that is a lot for one minute, but one thing being done is doctors and pediatricians are being trained to do psychological evaluation and mental wellness checks. that is really important. homes,s a need for group they face a lot of backlash from the community. the community over here in fairfax county, there is a lot of resistance to the kinds of group homes that young people need somewhere, after they get out of a psychiatric bed, they

need to go somewhere to learn coping skills, how to live and how to go to school without feeling suicidal or deeply depressed. there needs to be more psychiatrists. there needs to be more psychologists. but really, the most important thing is for all primary care doctors to be paying attention to mental health, because until you address these kinds of problems, you will not be able to get to the physical health problems that they're going to cause. host: of course we're talking about the people involved, but there is a lot of money, as our guest talked about, involved. suicide and zoos that intense the nation $70 billion a year. -- suicide and suicide attempts cost the nation $70 billion. serious mental illness cost $195 billion in lost earnings. and prescription opioid abuse cost $80 billion a year, not including other drugs and alcohol. that is a lot of money. guest: it really is.

in a lot of areas, it is hard to find clean, silver workers. yesterday youned can become a state trooper as long as you do not have a drug conviction within three years. really changeg to their qualifications and standards, because so many people are self medicating. calls.et's get to our sam is calling from nashville, tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning. i successfully failed three suicide attempts, so i have some history, age of 13 to 25, approximately. i would like to add that there is a mind-body connection, that it is not only alcohol, but seven or eight out of 10 people are on drugs that are prescribed, so let's look at our diet, let's look at our drugs, let's look at alternative health. let's look at the mine-body connection. and returning to what you eat,

if you have diseased soil, if you have drug dependent soil, which we have, thanks to fertilizers, you end up with drug-dependent people. thank you. host: sam, how old are you now? caller: fortunately, 55. host: what brought you to that point when you were in your teens and late teens there? caller: some chemistry, streams, b-.od type, a b/ factors, were cultural positive versus negative, adopted, overachiever. a lot go through the crack. we do not find out until it is too late because they are good cover uppers. stay away from drugs, look at food, sleep. alternative medicine needs to be integrated.

there are certainly alternatives, and by no means and not suggesting that everybody or even most people would need medication, but there is some really terrific new there these that are out there that are talked about a lot. we have aentioned facebook group called "i survived it" that is quite popular where people are talking about cbt, which is cognitive behavioral therapy. there is another therapy called emdr, witches on movement. a behavioral therapy. a large their fees with their trauma that do not necessarily require medications. toe are young, but they tend be people who had promised him a suicide attempts, when they were young, and they were not addressed. ,ost: colleen from cleveland

you are on with our guest, jayne o'donnell, from "usa today." caller: i do not understand why people cannot figure this out. family.e breakup of the you do not have families anymore. neighborhoods are going. this is where children learn self worth. there is nobody home. to die,hild is bullying at 17, 18, that the last thing you want to do is die. host: we understand the point. oest: i understan agree with ae her points, certainly the breakdown of the family. with a project, and young girls want to talk about a lack of a father in their life. that is the thing that bothers them the most. i am personally noa religious person, but the churches lost a lot of this. it was bringing people together a lot more.

we have friends on facebook, and friends do not hav in the neighborhood, and it is a problem. nbc news and from msnbc, they get a survey, which of the following contribute the most to mental health issues in children? social media at 29%, bullying close by at 25%. speak to those, if you could. guest: the loneliness aspect of social media, the fear of missing out, has been talked about, but it almost cannot be talked about enough. young people are staring at instagram all the time. it is what they look like, it is who has got more friends. they are also crying out about being depressed. there are a lot of young people and it was that are saying they are suicidal, saying they are deeply depressed, they do not want to go on, but so many of them are saying it, that nobody is doing anything about it. you would not know where to begin, at least in these friends groups.

but goodness knows, it is not solving the problem. but there are places like our facebook group and other facebook groups that can be a community support, particularly if you meet outside of the group as well. host: let's hear from joel in idaho. good morning. caller: good morning. a couple of points. we have raised a whole andration on ritalin, ritalin is one of the antidepressants that has certain negative effect on the brain, the amygdala. you had an offer on your marsh,, abigail whitemarsvan that wrote a book about brain chemistry. these high schools, there is very little interaction. you can go and watch them, and there is no conversation. they are sitting on social media.

the first thing i would do as a teacher is i would take away all of their iphones when they walk in the door and say ok, you can have them when you leave. the other point i would like to make is there seems to be very , and i ameement talking about the american psychiatric association, very little agreement on actually what constitutes mental illness. i mean, does depression? is bipolar? you know, there is little agreement on how to treat some of those areas. anyway. host: thank you, joel. guest: good points. i do know schools, certainly what i work with in washington, d.c., they take away cell phones, and when my daughter goes to school, she is not supposed to be on her phone. certainly clinical digression is a diagnosis. that is treatable.

being depressed, we all get depressed, but being depressed and certified is a diagnosis, as is bipolar, ptsd, anxiety. as far as ritalin being an and antidepres it speaks kids up as well. there are a lot of kids who are on it, and a lock me to be, but some probably do not. host: douglas from laramie, wyoming. caller: good morning. would like to ask what rule, influence, academic pressures have on suicide rates or mental health problems in teens. i was in high school and junior i had so much homework i could never finish it. the academic pressures were almost unbearable to me. and i am wondering what

influences such pressures might have on other people. host: thank you. academic pressure. guest: that came up in a survey of parents, it came up lower than i thought, but you are also that probably did not want to acknowledge the pressure they are putting on. i've seen that come up in areas, in an affluent area, there is the pressure to get into princeton. and some of the more urban communities, there's a lot of pressure on some of these magnet schools that are under a lot of pressure, they want to be the top school, and they are starting to put take a lot of the fun out of school. physical education coming out of the schools and the pressure to pass all of these tests and do well on these tests i believe is a big part of it, and parents, the admissions scandal is a good example of how ridiculous it can get.

host: so do schools understand that more than maybe that used to? and what else are schools doing to alleviate that? guest: one thing is called trauma-informed schools. in the suburbs around here, you have dogs coming in at finals time. times forifferent schools, kids that might have accommodations so that they can take an exam separately if they have anxiety, but you do see a lot more of that happening, but not nearly happening enough. the whole movement is not keeping up with the level of trauma. host: here is a picture of tj ss on the left here with sister mirandae. what is the story there? guest: that was a young man that my colleague at the wall street journal sentinel, she withd on a pbs documentary

a lot of young people, including tj, about a lot of challenges they and their friends are facing. he was a lucky one, because his parents were supportive. another came from foster care, another who was bullied and was autistic and may fun of at school, all had a difficult time. fortunately, they ended up in a good place. but he had a supportive home. a lot of people do not know. host: david, good morning. caller: good morning. loss of the nuclear family and the secularization of this country and the deviation from god defining a gender-specific species, our deviation from that is confusing the minds of young people, and they do not know what to do with it. you are not going to a better place when you commit suicide. you are not availing yourself of a better situation, because you

exponentially increase the amount of suffering. you will suffer for maternity if you do not have god in your life, and committing suicide will make the things that are afraid of nothing like a hangnail. guest: these are often not well thought out decisions. my opinioning to get on anything he said, but certainly as i mentioned earlier, the breakup of the family, and divorce is very dramatic. -- traumatic. when you look at someone who is arrested for serial killing or something like that, a lot is that often dates back to windows -- when a through a child went through a divorce, and the role of the church has certainly declined a lot. potentials more about solutions. our guest, jayne o'donnell, earlier talked about treating pediatricians.

we are also talking about remote psychiatric consultations and nonprofit serving. speak about those, too, remote psychiatric consultations. guest: those are helpful in rural communities. in washington, d.c., we have the most alcohol deaths, and we have issues in the country, but there is a shortage. to have a primary care doctor or a pediatrician be able to consult with a psychiatrist through video, with video typically, even if it was a phone consultation, that a young person's problem can really help. it is not like you have to necessarily see the throat, although that can become a telemedicine sometimes, too. so that is often a solution, and many programs are popping up, training young people and others who jumped in and help if someone is having a crisis. the: have you noticed how

federal government is handling this issue, or state governments? is there more legislation out there, more money, creativity? what is coming from government? guest: welcome of the federal government, they just had a big meeting a couple of weeks ago at hhs, the substance abuse and mental health services administration, they had a great meeting. they are very much behind the idea of training our pediatricians. one of the interesting things about state governments, it gets into scope of practice. that becomes interesting. medical lobbies are very powerful in many states, and they can keep other people, like nurse practitioners, for example, getting into mental health. so every different feel has their own lobby, and they might resist having others get into their field, but certainly the more social workers, the more therapists, the more psychologists, the more psychiatrists we have, the better, but there is not much the government can do about

making these people become those practices. host: all right, let's get some more calls and as we wrap up. judith in austin, texas, thank you for waiting. caller: oh, yes, she was talking earlier about group home spirit i am 1 72, so it was a whole different game. andother was an alcoholic, he sent me to an orphanage. it was the bonding with the other children, it was having the association with a fellow comrade. it is so important. and also, we played baseball every day. so it does help with the mental stress of being where we were. guest: you do not hear about orphanages much anymore. i have spoken to the folks at the milton hershey school of in hershey, pennsylvania. two points on that, yes, the young people do develop more of a community, many of them are there throughout the year.

and also on the note of mental health, so many of them are struggling because both of the parents are addictive, and they had issues early in life that were not addressed. that, and maybe there is a role for bringing back more of this kind of group home concept for young people that last for a well. host: let's go to randy in tallahassee, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i have worked in education and mental health for a longm, long time. school guidance counselor, and now i am a licensed mental health counselor. in a broader sense, what i have noticed over the years as kids, students do not have adults they feel comfortable talking to, so when we are talking about the frontlines, i am not talking about there will never be enough aunselors, they may find teacher they can talk to, but by and large, in high school, for example, where the rubber hits the road, kids do not

continually have adults that they feel comfortable they can share as a frontline. second of all, there are things that could be done at the school level that cannot even really cost that much, and then finally, on a prevention note, this was back in the 1970's, is peer counseling session where he trained high school students to listen to their peers. chance tonts got a talk and share, as the woman from the groupon was talking about, they are pretty resilient, and they can figure out that these opportunities are not given to them given the current situations that they are in. guest: that is important, it is becoming popular. i mentioned a group called strengthen our voices in my fees that is going around and teaching young people to be peer supports in the schools in the washington, d.c. area. i believe it has lesions around the country. but yes, parents need to be better educated, better aware,

and more open to hearing about their children's problems. and we have to get over this resistance to use or child is going to go t princeton, or-- mental health and addiction are diseases. legislation says that we are supposed to be treating them as diseases and we have to be willing to talk to her children. host: are gasset is jane o'donnell, a health policy reporter for usa today. thank you for your -- thank you very much for your time and information. host: we appreciate everyone who called in this morning and we will be back tomorrow at 7:00 eastern time. in the meantime, enjoy the rest of your day. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪

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