it in court. i'mnot mad, i'm not upset, a former board member of aclu, so i think free speech has to be .racticed and in some ways i feel sorry youyou, not enough to let out without beating up on you a little bit. i'm afraid for our country. wheree entered an age people respect an alternative it is just so painful for me to watch it, and i don't think i'm watching it in isolation. alternative truth, where people will say something that isn't true and just continue to say. it doesn't matter.

i saw last night where the president said barack obama started this border policy and i'm correcting it. and what they did and this is what i want you to consider, what one of the tv networks did is put out people making statements about what was happening. they showed jeff sessions when he first announced the separation policy at the border. problem, as churchill said, alike and travel halfway around the world before the truth puts on its shoes. that is true. if we started a new bible, that should be one of the scriptures. because it's a fact. and the truth cannot always be uncontaminated with sprinkles of deceit. so you have a tough job. i don't want to make it seem like it is something you can do

easily. our system of government, beyond , it, our moral connections spent three and a half years in the seminary and didn't realize this until recently, but we depend significantly on shame. there are some things laws can't touch, and our society functions on shame. so when shame is dismembered, i'm not sure what else we have left. like for you to react to and maybe consider is, instead of taking something down in some interest as -- in some instances, why not just put up the truth next to it? the truth. i'm not talking about somebody else's response. i'm talking about the truth.

where, i wish i had brought it to you, they say, here is the lie and here is the truth. anybody else? this is a -- >> this is a very important issue, congressman. what we are doing is twofold regarding misinformation. one is where there is a video that, let's say, the moon landing didn't happen. or the earth is flat. youvideo may be up, but will see a box underneath that says, here is a link to the wikipedia page or the encyclopaedia britannica page where you can learn more. representative: you do that now? >> we do that today, yes, sir. the other thing we do is reduce the frequency of recommendations to information that might be harmful, such as those sorts of

conspiracies. you write about interplay on what is between social media companies, the news media and how that cycle of information works together. it's a critical part of solving this. twitter, because we are a public platform, very frequently people are able to challenge, expose, say that is not true, here is the evidence, here's the data, there's something incredibly important about these conversations taking place in public. and as we move into the information century, that is something we need to bear in mind. we actually, if there is misinformation a third-party organization has debunked, and we work with 45 worldwide that are all certified, we take articles from those fact checkers and put it right next to the content so

people have that context. and if you share that content, we say this content has been rated false by a fact checker and we link to it. similarly, when it comes to misinformation about things like vaccines, we work with the cdc and world health organization to get content from them that we can put next team to vaccine put next toe can vaccine related misinformation on our site. another thing we are trying to do is empower those who have the best voices to reach the right audience. we invest heavily in promoting counter speech and truthful speech. before we close, i would like to insert into the record a number of documents. the first is letters from stakeholders addressed to

twitter and youtube and facebook about hateful content on their platforms. the second is a joint report from the center of european studies on the counter extremism project. the third is a statement for the record from the anti-defamation league. the fourth are copies of community standards for facebook, twitter and google. without objection. so ordered. i thank the witnesses for their valuable testimony, and members for their questions. facebook, you are 30 hours late

with your testimony. staff took note of it, and for a company of your size, that was just not acceptable for the committee. i want the record to reflect that. the committee record will be kept open for 10 days. hearing no further business, the committee stands adjourned. [gavel striking block] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> after the g 20 summit wraps up this weekend in japan, president trump will he hold a news conference before heading to south korea. live coverage at two: 25 eastern saturday here on c-span, follow our coverage online at c-span.org and listen with the free, c-span radio app. >> this weekend american history tv marks the 50th anniversary of the cuyahoga river fire, an event that shed light on water pollution and helped create the clean water act. sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern, historian david stradling joins us live from along the river in cleveland take your calls and talk about the fire, myths associated with it, and the

mayor's efforts to find solutions. live sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern on american history tv on c-span3. white male and i am prejudiced. it's not something i was talk but it is something that i was taught, but it is -- it is not something that i was taught, but it is something that i learned. what can i do to change to be a better american?

>> it's something most of us won't admit, i am prejudiced. our guest talks about that interaction and her follow-up with the guest. we had this racially-charged summer, donald trump's campaign, black lives matter, the police shootings and the tragic events in baton rouge and dallas. it was really a time when people felt like, all they were seeing about race was bad news. and here was a white man admitting that he was prejudiced, which for people of color, we just thought, finally. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q and a. >> former president jimmy carter

and vice president walter back -- and his former vice president walter mondale were critical of president donald trump's record on civil rights. we also hear from jimmy carter's grandson, jason carter. [applause] moderator: it is my great honor to introduce this remarkable at theon a topic that is core of everything the carter center does, the northstar of this organization forever will be human rights because that has been the northstar for my grandparents forever and ever. to do that.ed many of these people have been introduced to you before. i'm going to use a prop to introduce my grandfather in a unique way for the first time ever. [laughter]

i would like to introduce you to jonathan's great grandfather. [applause] , on up, buddy. on up, buddy. that is the easiest applause line of the whole day. [laughter] poppa, weiousness, are all thrilled that you are here. we are excited you have devoted your life to human rights. and all of us are doing our very thatto ensure that incredible, incredible legacy on this particular issue is preserved forever. so thank you very much and welcome to president carter. [applause]

next, another person who needs no introduction is fritz mondale, 42nd vice president of the united states, served with my favorite president of all time, [laughter] morningcould see this at breakfast that the relationship that these two great leaders have is perhaps one that is unique in history. they are great friends, have an a norma's amount of respect for each other, [applause] and the way that, the fact that they are getting to hang out today is a treat for both of them. so thank you very much for that. the senior advisor for human rights and special representative on women and girls at the carter center. she has been at the carter aspect that at the carter center since 1988, assisting on human rights issues. human rights is the heart and

soul of the carter center in all of its respects, and karen is the heart and soul of that human rights endeavor at the carter center throughout this time. so it is a giant treat to have karen here. we are also blessed to have john meacham, a pulitzer prize-winning biographer, , professor to time vanderbilt university. thererom chattanooga and is a border dispute between georgia and tennessee, but we are proud to say at least he is from north georgia. [laughter] you are obviously not running this year. >> i am not running in

tennessee, that is for sure. he has embarked on a project, in addition to numerous books he has written. last year he published a book called "the soul of america: the battle for our better angels" and that project belongs in our group. i'm going to introduce them to you, which is to say this is a group of people who share your desire to find out what it is and to remember what it is that our country is based on, and that soul is real. we believe the carter center has a special place there. my grandparents have been a part can intopeering as we the heart and soul of this country and the issue of human rights. we are going to have a panel

discussion, but as an introduction there is a video we will show briefly that highlights the work of human rights defenders the carter center supports. the carter center has done it's ony best to focus, not ideals only, but ideals as put into practice, and to support the people on the ground every day fighting the battles for human rights in their own communities. these examples are remarkable. you will hear more about them, but i will show the video briefly and then john meacham will direct the rest of the panel. there will be time for questions. once we get there we will let them go for a while and then we will cut it off after we have too many questions. first the video, and thank you for being here. i'm excited about the panel. [applause] [video presentation begins]

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[applause] mr. meacham: thank you, all. as a tennessean, i am the diversity. [laughter] i appreciate it very much but i think we should all be honest that the only reason we are here is because of mrs. carter. so thank you. [applause] i know it's the only reason you got this far. i want to start with a little bit of what's happening right now. i'm interested, mr. president in your views at what's happening at the u.s.-mexico border with family separation and your reaction to what we are seeing their -- what we are seeing there, and what you think

ordinary americans can do about it. president carter: every day, we send a graceful signal around the world that this is what the president and the united states government stands for. and that is torture and kidnapping of those children, separation from the parents and deprivation of those who are incarcerated and there are thousands of unknown children still incarcerated that has not been revealed by the government. so i think what ice is doing under the direct orders of the president is a disgrace to the united states, and i hope it will soon be ended, maybe not until the 2020 elections. i'm not sure. even before then, hopefully, i hope it will land as we change presidents. mr. meacham: it be basic political activism that you would advise people worried about it just to get in and change the president? president carter: i think everyone in the united states should take the same position and for human rights, the number-one basic measurement of how governments are performing, that would be the best thing to

do. so what we would do is apply human rights in the finest and most precise way we can, and as fulfilling as we can, to comply with the present -- to comply al declarationrs as if you apply the basic human is humanly possible. rights standards to every instance that happens in diplomacy and everyday life, that would be the best thing for the united states to do and i hope all americans will take us up. mr. meacham: what would a carter-mondale administration, how would the administration have reacted to the murder by saudi arabia of jamal khashoggi? president carter: i believe we would have demanded a complete accounting about how high up the orders came from. as you know, they sent about 15 people to the embassy where he

was destined to be, scheduled to be, and apparently they killed him and cut them up in little pieces and buried him in an unknown place. and that could only have been done under the orders from some of the highest people in any government. i would demand an accounting for that. when i was president, we tried to put human rights as a measuring stick in every incidents. we didn't always succeed but , that's what our effort was. mr. meacham: one more off the top of the news and then we will dive in. russia has been proven to have interfered with one of our human rights which is the right of , free and fair elections. what is your reaction? how should we deal with that? president carter: the president himself should condemn it, and admit that it happened, which 16 intelligence agencies of already

agreed to. and there is don't doubt that the russians did interfere in the election. i think the interference, though not yet quantified, should be fully investigated and it would show that donald trump was not legitimately elected in the election in 2016. he was put into office because the russians interfered. on his behalf. mr. meacham: you say president trump is an illegitimate president? [laughter] president carter: things that i said, i can't retract. [laughter] [applause] mr. meacham: having made news -- [laughter] let's talk about eleanor roosevelt. [laughter] which to me is news. talk about your interest in human rights, given both your background in the segregated south and your international experience in the navy, heading into your public career. president carter: i grew up in a

little village in georgia which had about 50 families, farm families. my family was the only one that was white. all the rest of them were african-american. cell i grew up completely immersed in african-american culture, black culture. and i could see, as a little child even, that there was a great differentiation between white and black people. my mother was a registered nurse and never paid any attention to racial distinctions, she treated everyone the same. she was part of the medical planes,hment in georgia, was very powerful so , she was impervious to this. i grew up in that environment and later, i became chairman of the board of education in our county. and i demanded that the other board members go to visit schools and to see what's going on.

we found that the black kids were going to school as close as they could to where they live because they did not have school buses. white kids had school buses but black kids didn't. and the african-american kids down, worn out textbooks, in inferior schools. the board of education later insisted that african-americans get school buses too. so when they finally got a few school buses, everybody saw the school buses carrying children and they knew this was being done in a silly and segregated way. so that's how i grew up. it was a completely segregated area. and then i went into the navy when i was 18 years old. i went through naval rotc at

georgia tech and i eventually got into submarines. i was in the submarine force in 1948. harry truman, our commander-in-chief and president and who i still think of the best president who has lived in my own lifetime anyway, harry , truman ordained that racial segregation be abolished in all the military services and civil services. he commanded it so because of that, i saw an easy transition on my submarine and other ships benefite, and how much to everybody in their attitudes toward one another, fellow citizens and fellow navy men equally. so that was a very good test seven or eight years before , martin luther king jr. became famous or rosa parks.

so seven or eight years earlier harry truman was the one that , broke the ice and started the desegregation of america. mr. meacham: your religious upbringing must of been essential. president carter: it was. i grew up also immersed in a inrch in planes -- church ns, a baptist church and my , father was a sunday school teacher and we went through many parts of the bible. i was a particularly the sermon on the mount and the chapter of matthew. jesus spells out the essence of what is presently known as universal human rights. he spelled out the proper relationship between the powerful and the weak, between the jews and gentiles, between men and women and he said , everybody should be treated equally. that was the foundation of what

eleanor roosevelt was doing, and it evolved into the universal declaration of human rights. so there are times in human history where the united states has gone through all the basic measure of revisions and struck at the essence of the primary moral and ethical values are and put them together in lay terms terms, wassemi-legal in the development of the declaration of human rights. that has never happened before and or since in history. and now i am afraid that they abandonedlly being and so many ways, around the world. the carter center's fighting against that abandoned meant every day, by the way. mr. meacham: when you were running for president in 1975 and 1976, did you know that the human rights agenda would be as central to you if you got there? president carter: i did.

and i would say that when i became president and during my term, there was a general sigh of relief in america that racely we had resolved the issue. we had gotten over years of slavery and 100 years of official and legal discrimination by white people against black people. we kind of brief the sigh of relief that we were finally out , but lately the developments in the white house and other places, it's become a very burning issue again. and there is a great deal of discrimination and racial animosity that has evolved again, or come to the forefront again. and one of the demonstrations of that is not only between african-americans and white people, we have seen that on television lately, and for a long time, as a matter of fact, but also at the border. we assume someone trying to come to our country like my

grandparents did many years ago is inferior to those who are long-established here like i am. so that discrimination against to our country just seeking relief from persecution is another indication of how far of a serious human rights mistake in our country that is being promulgated worldwide. the united states doesn't stand anymore for human rights. we are opposed to some basic human rights openly, and without being embarrassed about it. mr. meacham: one of the things you hear and i agree with as well, i will put my cards on the table, is when people say about the current moment, this is not who we are. it kind of is. right? this perennial tension, we are southerners.

faulkner was right, the pass is never dead and it's not even past. president carter: that's right. mr. meacham: when i look at your work, i think about you are an , army on the right side of this in this perennial struggle between our better angels and worst instincts. but it is never, on this side of paradise going to be resolved. think is there a , benefit to us being more honest about our worst instincts that racism and xenophobia and , isolationism and nativism are parts of the american character? and our struggle is to make them ebb as opposed to flow? president carter: that certainly is part of our political situation. the fact is that in the past, overcoming slavery and overcoming racial discrimination was00 years, after slavery

abolished, it is a way for the united states to correct its long-standing mistakes. is not easy to do and it faces a lot of altercation in our country. luckily, this time instead of having a civil war, we are having a war of political factions. in general, the democratic party is now standing on the side of presenting what the finest aspect of american civil rights think, and ild, i hope our party will continue to show everyone in the united states and around the world is equal to everybody else not only , in the eyes of human beings but also in the eyes of god. mr. meacham: mr. vice president, can i ask you -- we talked about which in many 1948, ways is a huge inflection point in the formation of the human rights question.

you had the declaration with mrs. roosevelt, you had the break up of the democratic party after your fellow minnesotan said the party had to walk out of the shadows into the sunlight of civil rights, which sent strom thurmond back to the south pretty fast. can you talk about your upbringing in minnesota and how you were shaped in these questions? and when you signed in with president carter, did you know this was a lifetime gig? [laughter] vice president mondale: i do now. [applause] vice president mondale: our upbringings were different, but there were a lot of similarities. my dad was a farmer and a minister. he was a devout methodist. he would give three sermons every sunday morning. mr. meacham: three?

vice president mondale: in these little towns, and i would go to sunday school, wednesday night prayer and debtor, and then i would sweep and cleanup the church. that was my religious leadership. [laughter] mr. meacham: not bad preparation for the vice president. [laughter] vice president mondale: yes, i was sweeping around there. you're not being helpful. [laughter] mr. meacham: i will be quiet now. vice president mondale: one of the things that i found most impressive about our years together was how much our backgrounds suited us to work together, even with anybody briefing us. i think even though carter's background from the south was different, in fundamental ways

it was very similar. we had 125 years without a southern president until jimmy carter. and the difference was that he stood for civil rights. and one of the great contributions to human rights in our country and in the world was his personal courage, his and in the small town in , southern georgia, standing up for civil rights when it was not the thing to do. and then going into the white house and speaking up for human rights and filling in the blanks of what america should do as the leader in the world, and human rights. and it was my privilege over those four years to try to work with the president as he led us direction,arkable which set a precedent which is not perfectly complied with

today, but it made a difference which still has a big effect in the world. mr. meacham: when you think back, is there an example or two you would point us to as a case study about how we should be doing this? vice president mondale: i thought the boat people issue was a good issue about human rights leadership. the vietnamese communist government decided to push their citizens of chinese ethnic origin out to sea in un-seaworthy boats. many of them lost their lives as a result. and president carter tried to intervene in a positive way to provide an alternative for these boat people to live a decent life.

president carter: we were trying to admit 12,000 per month of the refugees, you might say, from the vietnam war. vice president mondale: a lot of them were drowning at sea, and we got the navy to go out and pick these people up. it wasn't a very popular thing at a time but i think of proved , to be a great step forward. because the first thing these poor people in the boat saw was the american navy trying to help them and save their lives and set them on a new way. i don't think they will ever get over that. and that was carter's leadership. [applause] mr. meacham: when you went up to the hill to talk to your former colleagues about these kind of issues, did they get it? vice president mondale: some of them did and some of them still

haven't gotten it. [laughter] we had to work on it but we have , pretty good support on the hill, i would say, in both parties. positivee of the memories of that time, we spent a lot of time -- the main thing people are afraid of, senators are afraid of, they would say, i right, but i have got to get elected and this will , not be very popular. them,mber we got some of i can remember of -- i can remember a couple of them said, i'm going to vote for you, but i'm going to lose the election

and i want president carter to put me on the federal bench afterwards. [laughter] mr. meacham: so the jobs broker. vice president mondale: yeah. president carter: and a lot of those who voted for us lost. vice president mondale: they lost their seats. mr. meacham: what about latin america? vice president mondale: i think this is maybe where we first proved the depth and breadthth of the president's program and it began with the panama canal issue. what does that half to do with human rights? that was a symbol of colonial rule for 100 years or more. we would employ the locals but they had no role in the policy or leadership of the program or management of the program. the president went out and said we are going to let the people of panama run this program. we will help them and we need the right to come back in if our security is imperiled.

and that worked very well. it's working well now. and it wasn't going to work. i remember the general in charge of our troops down there said , there is no point in trying to stay on here with military force because there is so much anger about us that we cannot do it. so that has worked and it's been very successful. we had to go up on the hill and lobby a lot and push a lot but it got done. president carter: that brought about profound changes, beneficial changes in latin america. for example when fritz and i got , in office, 2/3 of the countries in south america were under dictatorships, military dictatorships mostly.

and all the previous presidents and the administrations had been in bed with military dictators because they got benefits from , bauxite and bananas and pineapples and so forth. and the generals in charge would send their children to west point, their boys to west point, so it was a close relationship. and i took the other way around and tried to implement human rights. and within six or eight years, every country in south america was a democracy. so that was a profound and very rapid change from one form of government to another. the people down there brought it about. we didn't do it. [applause] mr. meacham: one for you and then we will go to dr. ryan.

we are walking around the world the rise of authoritarian'tis of -- the rise authoritarianism, nationalism. given the challenges, what affect does that have on the human rights agenda and what do you wish ordinary folks can do? what can they do to participate to push back against that? president carter: the carter center has made a very thorough analysis of what's happened to human rights on a global basis as a result of 9/11. it was an unprovoked attack against the united states. and as a result of 9/11, and some of this is excusable i guess, we have been in a war now for over 15 years in afghanistan. we have also greatly restricted

the privacy of the average american citizen. with laws that have passed, that has changed. we have abandoned some of the basic principles of human rights that have been promulgated in -- theeva convection's geneva conventions, like not torturing prisoners. in those ways, the would-be human rights violators in foreign countries used to be restrained by america's restraint has had that restraint lifted, and they have become abusive more than they would have because the united states example of thee champion of human rights. vice president mondale: i think that, but i think they also see in the president a cheerleader in this right-wing surge that has occurred in the world. he openly loves authoritarian

leaders, has contempt for democratic leaders, his rhetoric, his harshness, his divisiveness, all of this is of, of a hateful, not kind a hateful thrust. we are going to the right as a result. i've never seen a republican president in my lifetime do anything like that. it's not about party politics. he has got something deep in him that is detestable. [laughter] [applause] mr. meacham: is he a symptom or a cause? vice president mondale: i think he is both. he is sui generis. we have never had a person like that around even near the white , house. doctors tell me that they think

ofy recognize symptoms psychological problems in him. you can almost predict now what he is going to do. it is going to be about him, it is going to celebrate him, he is going to be right and we are going to be wrong. no matter what goes on, that's what he does. there is some need and him to do that. president carter: i think you just stated the headlines. [laughter] mr. meacham: let me put it this way, jodi would be having a hell of an afternoon. dr. ryan, take us to a high level here? [laughter] dr. ryan: let me thank you for the phd, which is the quickest cheapest phd in history. just to go back to president

carter's remarks and vice president mondale's about the genesis -- one of the things president carter did in his time is when he decided to make human rights the centerpiece was to sign the united nations human rights treaty. and before this time, there was a doctrine that said the u.s. should never submit its sovereignty or subject its sovereignty to the u.n. and by signing those treaties, he said we, the united states, on an equal basis, we will put ourselves on equal basis with other nations in human rights. this is an extremely significant shift. his presidency also invested in the una human rights office, that became the u.n. high commission for human rights so this was an investment in the global norm development of human rights that president carter and walter mondale both committed to and acted on. this is significant. and what was happening at the

same time was the human rights movement. international was given the nobel prize in 1977 during the carter administration. there was really an upsurge of a human rights movement. president carter and his administration injected that movement with energy, with moral support, morale. did, you thing he mentioned latin america, this sentur hemisphere, yet he pat derrian, the assistant secretary for human rights who was an amazing champion human rights, and i see some of her colleagues here they brought , that message to the dictatorships in latin america. in fact, pat threatened military support to argentina if the disappeared people, the thousands of disappeared people, did not reappear. and they did they reappeared , alive because of that threat of withholding military support.

there is a professor in atlanta who came and told us that i was one of the 3000 that would have been dead if pat derrian hadn't gone down and pounded her first. -- pounded her fist and said, we want to see those people alive. rhetoric, but by real action the carter , administration made such an important difference in latin america. but you have to understand this , was during the cold war. so not only did president carter write a handwritten letter to andre sakharov, the soviet dissident, this was in a country that was an adversary, he held our allies to the same standards. at least in our hemisphere, he was able to hold our allies to that same standard and in our , own country. was thathat did , created a normative framework based on legitimacy and credibility.

so that human rights activists around the world could really say human rights is the universal cause. we are part of something global. we are not agents of the west. that continued until 9/11, when that trajectory of positive development shifted to a negative trajectory because of torture, indefinite detention, assassinations in policy, et cetera, and the war in iraq. so what we are dealing with now is really re-weaving the fabric of human rights throughout the world. ice president mondale: remember we were having trouble in south africa. apartheid, all-white, anti-black government were not going to let blacks and their fellow citizens be a part of the public process.

the president sent me to meet with them in geneva. i spent three days debating with him about why his government should open up and get rid of was amination, and he really bad actor. that is another story. had not much praise at all. this was not good material. we really pressed him. office, we in started something there in make athat did difference. they hurt us. they saw we had changed. and it encouraged citizens around africa to believe they, too, had a right to participate in the public life of their

country, and a lot of progress occurred because of that example. >> one of the aspects of human rights macy has the right of people to live in peace. just now, but not for a long time, our country has been a warlike country on earth. i looked it up on google and the united states has been a country now for about 242 years. we have been completely at peace 16 years. we have been at war with somebody 242 years. that is another thing you ask. i would say if the american people do not feel that it was

ok to go to war, to bomb other people and so forth, in order to expand america's influence in global affairs, then we would not do that because most presidents are set on going to war in a crisis as a way for them to change. and so going to war is popular in our country. by thoset is proven figures that i just gave you. 16 years out of 200 what you total. 242 years total. >> we started world wars that did not shoot bennett anybody. it was a time when we sought to find peace. [applause]

>> do you believe -- it has been 40 years or so -- one of the factors that is clearly shaping governance and the plight of the governed is both the digital and almost the packaging of news as entertainment, as partisan entertainment, and some of this -- nightline begins during the hostage situation, so there is a thin line there -- what do you make of the point that we almost spend too much time engaged in ongoing partisan strife and not enough time thinking about the underlying questions? carter: i think the gerrymandering and infusion of money in politics

[indiscernible] the supreme rulers made mistakes. country toused our change from democracy to a theocracy, where money is the preventing -- >> oligarchy or theocracy? >> theocracy. is -- myay that this comment was -- >> the money. >> the money infusion and the gerrymandering of districts has meant the person running for office has to see how much money they can raise, and when they get in office, whether democratic or republican, they then want to show some favor to the people who helped them get

in office. it has become now a matter of our country not responding to their average working people in our country but to the richest already. court the supreme yesterday ruled that local governments could redesign their districts without appeal to the higher courts? did i understand that? >> yes, that is going to open up more and more of these manipulation of districts and frustration -- >> let me declare, it is partisan gerrymandering. it is gerry by the way, and we don't pronounce his name right -- it drives me crazy. i am the only person who cares, including the gerry family. [laughter] anyway, it throughout the 14th amendment arguments that partisan gerrymandering equaled equal protection. >> that is going to be real trouble.

and i remember georgia redistricting in 1990, and they had these big pieces of paper and i you can go and pick out one house. and there is no incentive to .ompromise this is a question from the audience. this is from ross cooper to president carter, what steps should a new president take immediately to restore the moral authority of the united states on human rights? to make anyant predictions on that, i think we are here. carter: i go with white the recent participants in the democratic debates have said. all the orders the president

issued about the border, but the parisnounce accords as full participants and preventing global warming, becoming a crisis, and also that withe going to participate other countries and aspects of human rights. theuld say that those are big things that you could do with executive order because a he has done has damaged our country's reputation. of which he is very proud, you know? >> oh, yes, he has that signature. very tom clancy, i don't know why you are upset. [applause] -- [laughter] what do you consider the most significant federal rights human

achievement in the past 30 years? >> you mean within the u.s. or globally? > this is alicia smith, do you want to amend your question? >> well, i would say globally, the u.s., until 9/11, was assisting human rights champions all around the world, and it continues, despite the difficulty. a few days ago there was an election and instable and erdogan's party lost the second round. i think this is an indication that the human right movement and democracy movements are still there, they are not going to be deterred, we are going to win this over time. but the issue we have to ask ourselves is what can we do now and the united states would look to the next administration if this administration is not willing to do it to find human

democratictly, fund movement and peace builders who are out there trying to make this in the trenches, and is a philosophy of the carter center. we believe that people can solve their own problems if we go into partnership with them and we recognize that it is their society that we have to do our part. we just have to stop waging war, and we have to stop really abusing the power that we have a negative ways. that is important. we have immense power. we have to use it correctly, and if we do, we will make a huge difference, in peace and human rights. >> mr. vice president, if a young senator came to you and said what is the most important piece of advice you can give me? what would you say? leadership for the

moral dimension of the government. >> the moral dimension? >> let's be heard on human rights. let's be heard on justice. on those issues that can disappear unless we have champions. , they getenator involved and work on issues, and they can make a big difference. there are very few offices were that can be said. the presidency, of course. the house less so because you have extreme numbers there, the numbers are so many, but in the senate, i senator can make a big difference. >> like hubert humphrey. >> yeah. >> i had another senator in mind. [laughter] but as mark twain said, he became vice president and you never heard from him again. [laughter] >> mr. president, so, let me use

a biblical analogy. it has been 40 years, so like moses, do you have a song for us? [laughter] benedictionkind of for what the country, with the world, should be doing? say probably the universal declaration of human rights [indiscernible] they seem to be quite compatible to me. and all the great religions, -- they are more ethical centers, and i think they are all compatible with the universal declaration of human rights. >> thank you.

one of the things that i have always admired about president carter is the epigraph so why not the best. -- fromom ryan no lever ryan. can you quote it? justice must be established in the simple world. >> and very few have done as much to fill that duty as you. thank you, sir. [applause]

>> if you don't mind, we would like to ask you to just a in your seats for just a minute so we can get for special guests out, but after that, we would like to see you in the golf clubhouse for lunch. if you will give us a second and then head to the golf worse -- i mean, that is a pretty easy set of instructions to follow -- and we appreciate it. thank you very much. john and everyone else, what a fantastic panel. thanks again. [applause]

>> world leaders are gathered in osaka, japan, for the g 20 summit. later today, president trump will be meeting with president xi jinping of china. on saturday, he will meet with turkish president erdogan for a bilateral meeting. earlier today, president trump met with russian president vladimir putin.