talks about his book. at 9:00, prime minister's questions from the british house of commons. and at 10:00, kimberly whaley, uthor of "how to read the constitution and why." she joined us on "washington journal." >> sure among the last to be confidant.a [captions copyright national cable satellite corp 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> they haven't written memoirs yet but i think they are going to. in terms of minute memoirs, this is probably the last of someone and knew it from the beginning. >> what did you put in this book had never talked about before? >> also at the end of it, where you put in that quote by john osborn, it looked so -- he said e had seen shelley an me, the first day, inauguration day in 1969, looking up at the portico, all e had seen how it breaks e said it almost

your heart. all of this that's fresh and new. is, really about what it was like as a young conservative in the nixon white to do battle for your beliefs and the opposition you face and the transition the was undergoing. operated ixon sort of on holding the whole thing together until the watergate collapsed it. mentioned sprio agnew, in the des moines speech, we've got it, before we go there, what role did it play and up to it? >> nixon in his first years, toward the end of the first massive demonstrations and the moratorium were being monument grounds and it was quite clear time and news eek were saying, richard nixon's presidency is in danger

broken. i wrote the president a memo saying you've got to stand up going to have to explain to the country why we have to keep those kids over dying in ting and gave his d nixon famous great silent majority speech on november 3, 1969. it was a smashing triumph. 70% of the country backed him him but that night after the speech finished, the networks had proceeded to trash it. three major networks and most americans got their news about the country and about the and the world from these three networks and nixon and halderman told me to write letters and telegrams. time to take the on the networks directly, openly, at a high level way to do it is with a speech by the vice president of the united states which i will it came back, a memo, photograph of it is in that

book, where halderman wrote back, he has seen, go ahead. that means the president of the nited states has seen your memo, go ahead and start writing that speech. it for about three or four days. i was in touch with the vice president. drafts, hrough three which is not a great number, and called over to the oval office and there sat the president with his glasses on hich he never wore, coat and desk, tting there at the writing in phrases to this agnew murmured, this will tear the scab off those bastards, and i broke out broke out d he aughing and agnew went out to deliver that speech at some midwest gathering, a conference word, moines, and i got and the white house, where i worked, that abc was going to go

live with it. and i was nervous, so i went up and went versity club swimming, and they called me from the pool and they said, and cbs are going live with it. and i said to myself, this is ither going to be a great success or a career ender. and agnew delivered that speech networks, and the reaction was sensational. nationwide, telegrams, letters. the whole country stood with us and the sentiment about the networks and television that. believer it, i drove out to andrews air force ase at about 3:00 a.m. and got aboard air force 2. agnew had invited me to ride cape canaveral, and he comes on the plane late and he comes over to me and gangbusters. it was just a phenomenal moment, nixon's moment, i think great silent majority speech,

agnew's attack on the networks t des moines and the follow up attack on the "washington post" and "new york times" in ontgomery, alabama, which i wrote with the vice president, hat, i think, was the real making of the president, 1968 so much but the real making of the president. it, brian, atieve the end of that year, richard 68% approval and 19% disapproval. astonishing. here's a fellow who seven years efore was the biggest loser in american politics after he lost the governorship in california to pat brown. a little bit of that speech, the former vice 1969, int, november 13, des moines. [video clip] >> every american has a right to disagree with the president of the united states and to express publicly that disagreement. the president of the united states has a right to communicate directly with the elected him.

[applause] and the people of this country have the right to make mind, and form their own opinions about a presidential address without having the president's words and characterized through critics beforeof they can even be digested. >> i remember that that happened right around dinner hour or 6:00 or 7:00 at night. >> i think it was around 7:00 or at night.lieve, maybe 7:00 at night. that's correct. and agnew, what he's talking is the fundamental that and it exists today, the president of the united states, in those days, a number of how andad custody what would be seen of the president of the united states nd how it would be presented because they controlled all three networks. i would say 12 people would make this decision, and so in effect betweenct communication the president and the people,

right in the ding middle of it. they woulde lens and present it as they saw fit and n excerpts as they saw fit and we almost couldn't live with this. the president was constantly on and calling for letters to the editors and telegrams. nonsense.is is you were seen by 50 million people. the network commenting on it was 50 million people. we can't turn this around with we ers to the editor, so elevated that issue and the issue exists to this day and i was, that was the first strike. >> why did they decide at the time to carry it live? because they would never do this? those days? -- ell, i think because well, we put in a phrase at the end, whether what i say tonight heard by the american people doesn't depend on you or depend on me. hear and e what you don't hear and that was exactly right and it was a challenge.

as i recall in there, we had a quote from frank abc, had written this horrible thing or said this horrible thing on television 1968, the campaign of which just astonished me saying his ability tong -- his people [inaudible] we had quotes and things like that, which were a challenge in th pins of -- defiance of him. i think they put it on the air trashed gnew was being as an individual who had no sensitivity and didn't understand the first amendment. they thought that the public would say, my goodness, nixon people want to censure the newsened restrict the first amendment. american people loved it. it was the real making of vice president agnew who, before you know in 1968, had een regarded by the press as

something of a bufoon. > what impact did it have on you when you found out he was cash money in envelopes. >> he had a press conference. were these reports and umors that he was being investigated by a friend of mine andaltimore, u.s. attorney, andnt up and watched agnew, ziggler, the press secretary, seemed to undercut agnew, so i going on?, al, what's why are we not standing by the vice president? pat.aid, come on over, and i went into his office. the chief-of-staff, the corner that halderman had. taking envelopes in the basement and i was shattered by this. was a good friend of mine. i traveled with him in 1970.

i liked him. buddies. he had real courage. terrific just a fellow. had a lot of fun with him. you could play tricks on the guy he enjoyed it. nd i think, i was really agonized and disappointed with agnew. i remember writing him a note the day he resigned. to him ou ever talk after that? >> i didn't talk about what happened and why. the goods on had nolo contender. henever agnew came to down, once every year or two, he would call a number of agnew's close in a quiet meeting, bryce would be there and the buchanan, earl, everybody would have a couple of and talk about great days. >> there are a lot of different and i'm u touch on going to jump around but before

you hat, i'm going to ask to do something i don't think you have ever done. i want you to talk about your brothers and sisters because of them. eight and you mention a couple, you crick, and nry and know baby cannon, but how old are they, how many are still alive, where do you fit in the what do they do. >> my two oldest brothers, bill, he was about 45, so my brother hank died a couple of years ago. now of nine dest and my brother crick, the one who served in vietnam, he's got he's a dentist and he's living out in maryland, county, below him, in my sister kathleen. who worked with bill kristol for a while and with vice president quayle. hass got three kids now and lost a kid. she's -- and then below her is

jack.ther john edward buchanan, coach's asketball, and he had been an business and a executive. bay, who is re is general mcarthur who ran my campaign. a tough customer. she, incidentally, she was high became a and she mormon, she was very high on 2012, and when i was over, i think she was got out oned by it and of politics and is doing very well. >> where does she live? > in oakn t -- oakton, virgini, and then my brother, brian, he went down to bedford, got out of once he ot out of medical school, bedford, virginia, which is down between roanoke, lynchburg and up in the hills there. that famous world war ii memorial, you know, where all of

to e guys from bedford come ashore on the beach and were just wiped out. tom, there is my brother partner lives ng on gerald ford drive. john mccain went to school. that's where they are and what hey are doing but we all grew up in d.c. d.c., t -- i was born in my mother used to work at the hospital, born and side, and the d.c. went to school at gonzaga high school. the street. buchanan family field is the name of the football field. went to georgetown. on the five-year plan. >> i remember you getting kicked out of georgetown? >> i got this story in the book, the plane withrd

agnew, somebody got aboard after me and i looked over and it was viola at the time, father joe had expelled me from georgetown university after an police whenwith the i was the senior in october of 1959. dug up by jack nderson's deputy, brit hume, when i was in the white house writing speeches about how these ids, we got to crack down on student disorders, and brit hume called me up and said, pat, i something here. it says you were arrested and this is what you were charged it, $2,000 bond and all of this, what do you have to say for ourself after your fight with the police? i said, well, brit, i was a head they brought out the sticks. one of my better lines.

when you have no defense. dad, what were they like? >> my father was very much an autocrat. autocratic. his three political heroes were joe mccarthy, general mcarthur francisco franco of spain, catholic who finished off the communists. in spain, he was a very devout catholic. gonzaga before i did. he came off out of a broken family. and the r had left him jesuits came by and got him when trinity.ted from holy it was an irish neighborhood in those days and they brought him to gonzaga, and so when -- he raised nine kids and my you know, these towns you saw, that trump was -- i used to go up after the water. one of eight kids.

my cousins were telling my sister dave because they get dave, there is nothing up here in the valley but trump signs. [laughter] >> and that's where trump won pennsylvania.n out there, take that southweste corner of pennsylvania. the eastern part of ohio. p there at that steel mill in west virginia. that's where he won the election. >> there is a quote in your book nixon, i have never seen an extremist like you who of humor.e did he say that? bush 10 weeksd hw before the new hampshire primary in 1972. my sister and i went up to of the e the president united states in the new hampshire primary, and when we hadthere, polls showed bush about 65 to 70%.

and david duke at six in the polls. e went through a really tough campaign against bush up there. stayed up there. gaptantly and we closed the from 50 or something points, losed it to a gap of 17 -- 15 points. 51-37, something like that. victory.tremendous a moral victory and the press played it up huge and we went to did almost as well but then we had super tuesday and there were eight primaries and i got wiped out in every single one. jersey, ixon was in new so i had lost 10 in a row. so i called nixon in new jersey, i said, mr. , and not bad?, 10-10, e said, buchanan, you're the only extremist i know what sense of humor. he said, come on up, bring helley and your secret service detail. so it was a very pleasant visit

him.d with with the old man, that was just died.ears before he just before he died, i called and i in new jersey said, we haven't talked, he said, pat, i'm coming down to d.c. he would come down. it was a washington hotel on that circle. over toward -- >> washington circle. >> exactly. would come down there, and he was really so alert and verything, and you sit down, what is he doing? what is he commenting? who is up, who is down? and it was like the first too him.i met he was so interested, his whole life in politics and personalities, and issues he was consumed by this and i've 1966 t of it from january when i met him till about the primary, i was the principle one in there for three, four, five hours a day in

is office and the white house, it was halderman and eric man ut the old man needed that constantly exploring this issue, hat issue what do you think, calling you back in, but it's a feature i didn't, you know, my the vice ith president, when he was vice resident, but -- yeah, when nixon was vice president but i don't know whether bob who was was in there hen like that. i noticed that was a him.cteristic of >> you were sitting across from him. in the book you had a three-hour interview-chat with him before you hired him back in 1966. >> right. you?w old were >> it was november -- december, i had just turned 27. >> what was that like? interview ot a hard because he was asking me about

issues. >> you were doing what at the time? writer. an editorial i got a lucky break, six weeks out of journalism school, i went and applied for an opening there, and the editorial editor some ou can write editorials until we higher the replacement for the guy that left and i was really working so that they kept me in and they moved the other editorial writer out. so we had two editorial writers at the globe democrat. the post dispatch down the or seven. about six so i was writing immediately on statewide, local, things i was unaware of. initially unaware of, foreign everything.estic, and i had been doing this for 1/2 years, and writing other pieces as well. so president nixon would ask me various things in this three-hour meeting. settled on it, and i passed the oral exam with flying colours. said after the three hours,

he said i would like to hire you for one year. here's the reason. i want you to help write the to write once a month. get that, do some press work do the other things. office.tside my and he said, one year, because i'm going to go out and campaign 1966.l the republicans in and if we don't get back some of losses we've gotten in the goldwater campaign, the nomination won't anything. so nixon predicted we were going andin 40 seats in the house whatever the senate, and the returns came in, we won 47 in the house. this was november, 1966. white on our way to the house. his en did you see him in howiest moment, for you and did he react when he was angry? > you know, he never yelled at me. he never yelled at me. angry, he would yell

generically at the wall. of -- getned get some some people to do these things? can't recall him really enraged at, i don't know why. in the book, i don't think i have recollections -- i don't ave great recollections of him being enraged but i will say this. and i d for reagan, remember reagan coming into the cabinet room and i don't know looked at me and said, exploded.e and he exploded, when he came out of gorbachev.g with nick, who was a friend of mine, reaganthe ambassador and came out, he was waving around human events which had denounced reagan had this, what i consider a healthy temper. a storm, ploded like

and by the time we are coming at night, t plane and -- we were laughing the fact -- dolan, we were laughing and celebrating fact that we didn't get any deal. eagan came back and he was in wonderful spirits. jimmy u're determined, stewart and i, telling story, but president nixon kept it inside himself and he brooded. mean, when he would call you at night and he was angry at omething the voice was low, i want you to do this, do this, do that, and go after them, and he things get to him in a way that i don't think president reagan did. i think there was a certain healthy thing of sort of it outr and then getting of the system.

and that's the real difference two.en the >> during the next watergate, on, the bob haldeman, mcgruder, chuck went to prison. they testified. you testified, i've got a little piece of video from your testimony. you say that you had your brother sit behind you. right. >> why? >> my brother crick. i had watched all the others up they all had these lawyers sitting beside them. seeknow, and as soon as you that these guys have got a lawyer, he's got a problem. done something, got some lawyer advising him, and i didn't believe i had done did need rong but i somebody just to be with me. so i called my brother crick up i was going to testify, or the day before and i said can you come over to atergate write live with charlie and we'll go to the white house and get breakfast and then you're going to head up hearing g committee room where john f. kennedy

announced for president. he came up, i said, you don't need to sit at the table with me to sit right behind me and in the book i think i've got a picture with my rother right behind me there and that's what he did and when they would take a break he would and then to the room we would come back out to the hearing, in and out. your ah, you wanted brother there. i didn't need a lawyer. >> this video, i'm not sure if in your brother behind you this video that we have but let's run it and you can tell us you know who this person is. [video clip]. >> mr. chairman, because of the of our an character candidate, if one looks back over the political history of only one ry, there is other man other than richard ixon, who has been his party's nominee for president or vice president five times. that's franklin roosevelt. >> in those days you couldn't a camera in front of you, so

we couldn't see you frontally. brother?ot your >> no, that's not my brother but there is a picture in the book me, brother right behind you can see, it's cut off, but he was right there. could hear him laughing at times. >> did you ever think in this process that you would go to prison? >> no. i never hired a lawyer. juries.en before grand i was called over by the special prosecutor. it was a very vindictive hostile crowd. they tried to get you involved dirty trick operations. i thought sam t, dash just didn't understand politics. we had some phrases he was me.ing to i said -- one of them was ed -- we had to go to -- i agreed, i had done this analysis, i said it's time to go let all e kennels and the dogs loose.

so dash reads this and says, can this to me. and i said, look. if the nixon d funai us, we'll erestimate andhat was done to humphrey kill him. but, you know, it came off very well. hours.say those 5 1/2 i got back, was it nolan of the "boston globe." marty nolan. >> he said, when buchanan got ack, it was like orderly field after lindbergh landed. day, in a way, because it boosted the morale of the whole white house staff down.was very and the good news with you, networks decided after i had five hours, they are no longer carrying live

testimony. on your way to china. i don't think you had stopped in hawaii yet. you were on air force one with the president. i want to ask you eventually back.the trip this. watch [video clip] -- omments before about joe memoirs, most interesting. >> read the first part, too. interestingthe more part is the evaluation of de gaulle. fascinating. >> that's great footage. i don't recall ever seeing that. mind as you n your were making the trip? >> i guess we were talking about we were, -- i think yeah. >> what was in your mind when you were on the plane? sent nixon a memo telling him i thought he was taking a then iking this trip and

ent him a second memo saying, you need to take me along, it's my turn. the conservatives looked to me to represent their interest, as bill said, buchanan as the ambassador to the right or whatever it was for the conservative movement. but when i was going there, i decision had been made, nixon had announced it in july, and now we were in february, new hampshire primary. and it was going to interesting trip and it was -- a tremendously interesting trip. so by then i was reconciled to idea, they elected the me.sident, not we got there and initially i was read fine with it until i the communique. i had not been allowed to participate at all in the communique.the i think kissinger had done it and when i saw it, rose woods i were appalled by it. >> who is rose woods? nixonite thereyal was. she came to him right after the

his case in 1948. with him when i was there. 8 years, was family to the nixons. great lady. courageous, went through every single one of those crises and then some with richard nixon. >> on your way back from china? >> kissinger had gotten word, i hought the shanghai ommunication was a sell-out of taiwan. and frankly, a shallow piece of all through ions it. and it embarrassed me. it almost made me a shame so he back to discuss it. what's your problems with the communique? here, chinese open with a statement about revolution what we want and we examination h some of conscience. i said, japanese, they say japan militaristic. we don't defend our own, and the accept their , we position. and so it was a sell-out.

badly written. there.ould have had me in i would have liked to have written it. we could have stated our side, sigh, so then ir he went forward and he came back started, henry started ragging me, your conservative haven't supported us in the middle east. and then i just got up and put that far from his, and b.s. and sat down.lar i looked believe it, and it was scowcroft. i don't know if he agreed with enjoyed the encounter. resign?did you >> that's y. i grew up being that the learning worst diplomatic disaster in he had signed over the freedom of no 10

countries in eastern europe to and joe stalin into their custody and it was a horror show. i always believed it was a betrayal. i said, if i had been party to something that's going to do the ame thing to the people of taiwan, whom we supported, always supported, and the nationalists, and so i just and ashamed and disgusted, i decided to resign, and told my and ts when i got home, sent word to florida, key biscayne, that i wanted to come resign, and thankfully, it and argued against rosewood said don't do it and others said don't do it. he president, according to haldeman, was quite prepared initially. he wanted to tell me not to do finally he said if he's going to go he's going to go. friend dickme of my whalen, who walked out at nixon, bay after the after nixon's inauguration --

in miami mination beach in 1968, and he was a great writer and friend of mine. out of mission bay and president, er to the shelley picked one up, rose woods, about resigning and i ran this guy is said, such a great write, we've got to get him back. to n said if he's going resign now, let him go. if that's the way he feels, let go. very cold about it. before he go now than in the middle of the campaign and have an explosion. i think nixon had come to the conclusion that if i wanted to go that badly, maybe i could go to the campaign or somewhere else but i should go. >> why didn't you go? > you know, i decided by the weekend, i said, i made my case to the president, haldeman, everybody in the building, knows what i belief and what i feel, and i want be reelected so what aim going to accomplish by walking out? i'm not going to have a big or anything.nce i'm just going to slip out and a

did, left the gavin, i tion, bill hink he went over to work for jim buckley after that. dmr this is from your book on lost it.henry later, sally -- >> talking about all of those days after she had read the book. was, after the cambodian speech and cambodian, the huge and explosion that took place, nixon cambodia roops into kilometers, and 30 and he wanted a long paper presented on what we had and the hed with that, nsc produced a paper, i guess words, so nixon told

me, and haldeman told me through nixon, he wants you to write it, nd so -- henry, as was his custom, would hold off his that youlong enough so couldn't get it in. so he held it off and it was 6,000. given to me in the afternoon, out at san clemente to work on i went that and i rewrote the 6,000 night long. it was about 8:00 in the morning when i got it done and i told ally to take it down to kissinger's office. but the odd thing is, nixon, as writes, he loved the putting i had done, these bullet points, weapons captured from the north ietnamese, casualties, exactly how many rockets and mortars and ammunition, it made the case, the documentswith

and facts and information, made it well instead of one of these meandering things that you got out of the nsc and nixon said, i want all the papers done like this, in this form, after this, and he said, it was terrific. so i felt very good about it, haldeman's eading memoirs -- >> you've got lots of memoirs in here. points, i'm thinking, this is buchanan's revenge. waited all these years to publish all of these memos to see, i was right back then. >> i was stunned by the china trip. but all of these things, there s a certain consistency but you're right. i had held those for a long time. and everything, and they really represent what i believed in. consistencyhread of certainly on political strategy, all the way up through. worked. it worked. the idea of putting the

goldwater people together with nixon center of the party and oodbye to rockefeller them and then after you get this folks raised the like me and nixon raised his to 55.c vote from 22 and we got the southern protestants that they now call evangelicals where they denounced his southern strategy, natural ese natural licenses of ours, it's going to a bit but ountry we'll end up with the larger half which we d. can you imagine. 1962, after ing in nixon's last press conference, 0 years later he would win a 49-state landslide? all, it -- and then it all came apart. the rock all rode the way back up the mountain and

it rolled back down on top of us. did you first personally think there was a recording system and when did you first the recording system in the oval office and on the phones? -- i don't think believe i thought there was a recording system. first learned about it when butterfield, alexander butterfield testified. that was in july 1973. he came up and testified that there was a recording system in the oval office. i reflected on that and i the times the president had called me late at night and he ad conversations where we were joking about various people. and he was sort of letting his a memo n so i wrote him saying, i think you ought -- dean had testified. you're going to have to keep the dean tapes, five tapes of didn'tation with dean, i think they were going to be that damaging to us and keep the brezhnev and the foreign policy stuff, you really

should tape. and burn it out and shut down this special prosecutor's office now before into a monster. and i didn't know it at the nixon had ixon, called in haig and fred -- this idea that he should burn the tapes. they said it would be of justice. first, i didn't recommend burning subpoenaed tapes. they were his property, executive privilege existed, everybody knew it and simply got rid of them and just said in effect, impeached be damned, i think he would have moved right through it and resident nixon said, in his memoirs, if he had burned the tapes, as i urged him to do, he would have survived and i think that's right. here's some video, peter jennings, a young man this time, anchor on abc. little bit, may 9, 1970.

the the buses circling white house that you write about in your book. this. watch [video clip] >> heading south. bumper to bumper buses serve, to guard the immediate area near the white house. the demonstrators kept coming morning. the intent was serious. and ood with us peaceful the day was hot. and how many were there and whose idea was it? 9. it was may this was the cambodia-kent state speech where i had worked with the president on, where we invaded cambodia. tremendous jock to clean out the communist sanctuaries in cambodia from attacking were americans in south vietnam and there was an explosion on the were riots d there and out at kent state there was a riot in kent on saturday night. came out on d sunday. they burned the rotc building.

onday, there was a huge demonstration and the guard fired live ammunition and killed four students. exploded on campuses around the country and virtually, i mean, there were hundreds and hundreds of simply shut down, and this was early, this was and nixon was tremendously shaken by this because he had made this that a woman, nixon had come out of the pentagon one, right ne, may after the speech, and a woman said it was either her son or thank you, ant to mr. president, for what you're doing to help my husband stay alive over there and nixon said, young people over there, you should see them. they are terrific. hand, there are these bums blowing up campuses and the term bums was tan by the nixon to mean all the demonstrators and all the people who opposed the war and then the four students at kent state, and this just crowds camed so the into d.c., coming into d.c., and

nixon had a press conference there, he had a press conference and then he went out that night. i remember the phrase, search lawn.on the nixon at 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. went out on the lawn with the man worked for him even up in new york, and he took him over lincoln memorial, and there were students wandering the presidentomes of the united states at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning. nixon tried to start a and some of them said he was talking football. others said -- nixon sent around of is speech writers a memo what he tried to communicate what he had tried to say. that was the worst period, i it tgethsenane.

to put u.s. army officers in charge and doing all things, and -- but there is no doubt that nixon was in thed by this and many staff, bill sapphire denounced the speech in his memoirs as did kissinger. although haldeman says kissinger had heard the speech and complimented the president he delivered it. i i just -- that whole story, have a line in there, i believe it was at that demonstration, i somebody, i said, i was on to first floor, i went down get a pack of cigarettes ran airborne, but i went down there, all of these around, i rs looking would say they were about 10 years younger than me, and the lucky they s are didn't get through those buses and try to run them into the

white house. -- they d have gotten would have met some real force. >> how many more books do you you'll right? you. >> know, i'm just not sure. i'm not sure. i got this done, i started book on reagan. i've said what i came to say. everything that you want to do? >> i feel i'm very fortunate to be around, you know. >> you had open heart surgery at point? >> it was right after, right fter the california primary in 1992. that's why, the guy said, why are you staying? the doctor said i've got to go in for open heart surgery right fter the primaries, that you couldn't last. this was a surgery that made me gave that when i culture war speech at the convention, whether i really had

it. energy to do so, yeah -- >> what was wrong request your heart? >> heart valve was leaking, and started to deteriorate. the doctor said it will get orse, worse, worse, and suddenly it will take a turn and it get the valve in, just as makes the turn. >> you mentioned bill sapphire earlier and i want to show folks bill sapphire just talking about the "new york times" hired him to be a columnist and i want you to put with your brand of conservatism. [video clip] >> he's like a layer of cake. the top layer is patriot. mild neath that, there is beneath that, there is very good people that him, and thoughtful abusive.rbal

and underneath that, hard liner. a word smith, wrote speeches, and did his column in "the new york times." two of you on the political spectrum? >> bill sapphire was regarded aboard, but he had been with nixon in 1960. bill was one of the four or five people when i went to new york, see bill to go sapphire, come down here and see really inn, who are loyalists, people he talked to and they ought to know me. sapphire was that he was basically a new york liberal republican, very comfortable with rockefeller, lindsey, and nixon. he had worked for nixon. loyal to him personally. he was a word smith and a but he was on the other side for me in all the and things using like that. i was basically very close to

eing a solid goldwater conservative, and ray price and i phire were regarded as, would say moderately liberal republicans. i remember when bill sapphire the end of nixon's first term, frankly, i think speech, ue to the agnew he killed all of these liberal newspapers who were bias and "new york g so the times" decided they needed a conservative so they hired bill burger, he salts said we need a conservative on news ge so, it was in the summary that bill had been hired and nixon wrote a little work, haldeman, sapphire tell vative, somebody human events. [laughter] we all had a great laugh at that to win a ent on pulitzer prize. bill is the one that worked on the speech. famous speech, wage and

price controls, the end of goldn woods, going off the standard. he went up to campaign, it was a moment. >> here's a moment that you also write about, this is at pat funeral in 1993, it's 20 seconds. [video clip] >> he felt a tremendous sense of depended on pat. andwas a very strong woman, she never did leave him or turn on any of the controversial things he was involved in. she stuck with him and he leaned on her and depended on her. you worked closely with her? >> she was a great lady. nixont did you see in pat what did she do? earth, she so down to called herself ms. ryan, thelma in then nixon so she was same little office with rose woods and me and these people

would call up. i remember one of them called up and said i would like to call to vice president nixon and she he's busy right now, a personal i'm friend of pat nixon. and mrs. nixon would tell us that, and she smoked. as i chain smoker then, mrs. got a couple u so -- but she was a wonderful very i think she was a strong lady. humor.d a good sense of she was a realist. you know oh, i just liked her very much. testified, fter i watergate testified, came off so well, the president said come on mansion.the right after i testified. about 5:00 or 6:00. party in my a office. she comes running up and she room, me all around the after i testified.

but she as reserved, was a great lady. julie has written a wonderful about her. >> what did you think of the media coverage of her and over lifetime, when do you recognize that the media is eing against somebody in politics? what's the give away? she treated?ow was >> yes. >> well, i think it was simplistic, and sort of plastic -- she just stands there behind him and doesn't, you doesn't move and has the same, maintains the same posture expression, and it wasn't her at all. that the u discover media -- when i first went to it was early , 1966, sapphire says, regularly, the press is the enemy. remember that, you know. globe democrat, a lot of the reporters and others were liberals and

oderates and a few conservatives and things, and i just didn't believe they were the enemy. had gotten nixon horrible pest for years but i take even all of us, you ray price, he was with the herald tribune, i think a lot of reallyme to believe they had it in for nixon. i quote intellectual, the fellow, you cannot be an intellectual, maybe of the new york, and have voted for richard nixon. you just cannot be that. i didn't understand it. i think he was a progressive in on domestic policy. he did run a populist small conservative campaign. aw and order, things like that but he was an internationalist, not a globalist, and in all of differentgs, not that from kennedy's positions, you know. jack kennedy's. some ways kennedy's was more conservative in terms of all the resten and of it, and yet, there was just a

nixon that i had never seen before, you know, trump.e get to of course, president trump differently. trump just fights back daily. >> i've got piece of tape i've close to w you, we're the end of this. >> sure. >> i don't know if you remember. 24, 1999.is october this.f you remember buchanan is pat pugh announcing he'll be a candidate on the reformed party. i think it's ridiculous. >> why? >> i guess he's an anti-semite. blacks.'t like the he doesn't like the gays. it's just incredible that could embrace this guy. 25% of the 'll get vote and staunch right wacko vote. i'm not even sure it's right. wacko vote and i

just can't imagine that anybody can take him seriously. do you think when you see that? >> that's when we announced. could beat trump for the nomination and i think we could. >> reformed party? >> reformed party. we got the nomination. but i look upon those with rump, you find out these are terms of endearment. at that, and i do laugh. i will say this. years ago, i got a call from donald trump, and he mentioned acious and some things he had said way back -- re, and he said he agree regretted it and was very it and i bout supported him almost, a hundred percent supported a lot of his elated s president was that he came out with those positions. voted for him in the virginia voted for him in the general election so i hope the is a success. >> whose more honest in public,

donald ublic light, trump or pat buchanan? >> the nuns told me how to behave. >> who is more honest, when you said what you said, how often the truth, telling and how often is he not telling the truth? i think t think -- trump says what he believes and believes.at he >> did he believe you were a hitler follower? >> it's what he felt at the time. partly that was motivated by the fact that if he party igns on the reform nomination, that he was out of the race and it might have like, i don't know his motives, might look like that i had gotten in and he wasn't in.ing >> he called you wacko. the worst hat was thing i have been called. points, i 've taken mean, points of view, have you truth? told the >> let's say. this look, when i worked for

richard nixon, i'm an assistant ronald resident, and reagan, as i said, what you do policy, gue for a inside, and once the president decides, you've got three you go out and defend the policy the president stated, you keep your mouth shut, or you out. now, clearly i would explain policies, like let me give you nixon. i traveled with him to the middle east 50 years ago, almost exactly at the time of the war.ay we went through africa. it was a critic of vietnam of johnson's policy. he defended it everywhere he was himself as almost an attorney for the government of the united states. bligated to defend the policy and explain the policy. and it was really something to behold. i think he felt good about that. he was great friends with rusk, a great admirer of us arek, so, mean, look, let me say this. you don't go out and tell a lie the o you say here's why president is doing this, here's why he thinks the china trip is

good, and you don't go out and say, gees, i think he's going to blow things up. to. have obligations, ain in effect, we're all attorneys for the man sitting oval office, we're giving the best defense that we can. i wrote the defense. got it hanging on my wall, 1973, defense, may 27, and i argued all night with out., they are going in and i said this doesn't sound right. but i got a note from president wall, it nging on my says, al told me you were a great devil's add voca. above and all you do beyond the call of duty. that's the job. t's a great job, it's not bad at all. >> this book is called nixon's

white house wars, battles that broke a president and divided america forever. i guest has been patrick j. buchanan. very much. .> thank you chlt >> former deputy inspector with the new york city police once a nt, on his book, cop, the street, the law, two worlds, one man. q&a next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific time on c-span. c-span's presidential surveys taken between 2000 and jackson drops from 13th to 18th place. dwight eisenhower rises from the ninth to the fifth spot. where does your favorite president rank? earn that and more about the lives and leadership skills of c-span's,executives in the presidents, it's great

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