tv Washington Journal Mattathias Schwartz CSPAN July 23, 2019 11:45am-12:00pm EDT
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sounds like a lot of reiterating what we already know in the report. one thing that is very interesting to me, there is so much ambiguity and legal hairsplitting in the language of the report. he may inadvertently have to deviate from it a little bit just to put it in plain english, in a way that people can understand, particularly about the decisions about prosecuting, whether to charge. it's all very technical when you're reading the text. i wonder if there is a back-and-forth exchange that might have to put a finer point on these. i think we'll see him avoiding strenuously having to do that and go beyond the four corne of the documentrs. that gq profile, you wrote it before the mullet report came out. story, you write that the quiet is part of the uniform. what you mean?
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>> i was kind of writing about mueller, the man. it is very hard to get close to them. he has an and or circle of people, and none of them would talk to me, either. the spokesperson for his office would not talk to me. i had to go a few rings out. and i think, as everyone anxiously awaited release of the report, there was a mystique that formed around him. the truthlly embodied about this great controversy over what happened in the last election, he personally was going to be capable of going to the bottom of it and with president trump noisily remarking on every development, and robert mueller doing exactly the opposite, i think a kind of fascination for around any noise or indication from his side. host: to you think that mystique was broken with the release of the report, or the less than 10
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minute news conference that he had came out? , the: no, i think it people who are waiting for, thinking he holds the answers, they have kept pushing the delivery of those answers forward. now it is the hearing tomorrow. i think there is a gap between robert mueller, the pop-culture figure, the fbi guy who is going to solve this for us finally, and robert mueller, the man. , i think we'll see those entities converge and walk away with a more realistic picture of who this person is, which should help us read the report with clear eyes. host: we will find out starting live at 8:30 eastern on c-span as well as when we will carry those hearing from beginning to end.
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is a place you can go to watch it. if you want to talk about robert mueller, his life and his qualities as a prosecutor, as an at the eye director and as special counsel, give us a call in this segment. democrats,for republicans, and independence as usual as we show you the biography of robert mueller. marines, in the u.s. served in various roles in the justice department, former fbi director, of course. went back into the private sector before he came back to serve as special counsel. we are talking about that. matt, you were just talking a minute ago about breaking the mystique about robert mueller, learning more about his personality. here is robert mueller from 2013. he was speaking at the commencement address at the college of william and mary, and this is what he had to say to the graduating years that day.
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>> i begin with integrity because it is so essential to who and what you ultimately will become. you have a career path in mind, many of you have no idea. be surprised iy where life takes you, i certainly was. in the end, it is not only what we do, but how we do it. your chosenf careers, you are only as good as your word. you can be smart, aggressive, articulate, and persuasive. but if you are not honest, your reputation will suffer, and once tarnished, a good reputation can never be regained. as the saying goes, if you have integrity, nothing else matters. and if you don't have integrity, nothing else matters. host: what do you take from that
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commencement address? guest: you can tell that he means it. i think integrity is an increasingly rare quality in american society. i think this is why ron rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, chose robert mueller to be special counsel because he is someone who is perceived by both parties to be above partisan politics, someone who doesn't carry water for anybody. someone who strictly, by the book. it is hard to think of anyone who could take on such a heavy task and would have so much credibility, no matter what came out on the backend. host: a few callers. democrat, good morning. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. ever seen,hing i've
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robert mueller is a very honorable man. .e has served his country well just like everything else, tomorrow, when he testifies, they will try to tear them down because he didn't carry the water for trump. ultimately, it's going to be up to the voters to disinfect the white house and, believe me, it will take eight years to get the stink out of there. host: the questioning does get tough tomorrow, i do you expect robert mueller to respond? been some great reporting by the times and other places looking at him in previous hearings. very adept and has a lot of experience at only answering the parts of questions that he wants to answer. i think it's safe to say that he will be able to slip a lot of punches.
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one question that i think will almost certainly be heard, did you find that trump committed a crime? he said that is something that he, for a number of reasons, was not willing to answer. later, attorney general barr said that he could have answered that question and we will see numbers of congress use that as a foundation to try to get him to answer that now. that being outside the report, he may just say i'm only going through what i've written, which is why expectations for tomorrow in some ways are so low and everyone is just presenting this as a reading of a document that we already have. it is already available to anyone who wants to see it. writer, hislance profile of robert mueller, master of silence is the headlines. you talk a little bit about going back to this time in vietnam and his service in the marine corps and how that shaped him.
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can you speak to that a little bit? >> absolutely. he has an incredible he distinguished military career. he served as an officer in the marines. he was very much in the thick of it. biography.te a he was in a very serious battle in which half of his unit suffered casualties. he was awarded the bronze star for valor and later, a purple heart. he has never personally given an account of his time in vietnam. reporting has been done on it. it had to be reconstructed from his comrades. it is something he has never talked about. a veryhington post did good profile a few years back that talked about how he still wears the watch on the inside of his wrist. that is a marine thing, a military in, so the enemy can't
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see the flash of the glass. he still carries elements of that time with him. it's hard to imagine going through such a thing and not. host: an interesting thing to look for tomorrow. his watch. 8:30 a.m. eastern is when it starts. massachusetts, independent, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you. i was just wondering if your expose has looked into his years in boston, because i know a lot of people are saying he is thought of as an honorable man. too many in boston, we look at fours a guy who let innocent men sit in prison for 30 years. to 1988, he served as u.s. attorney for the district of massachusetts. talk to people about his time as a u.s. attorney, i'm afraid i don't know the case to which the caller is referring. most of my article was focused
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on the president. thatnteresting detail is mueller was a member of trump national golf club near washington, d.c. for many years. that was aed conflict for some reason, there was a dispute over building. but mueller dispelled about allegations. i wish i knew more about what your caller is referring to, but i just don't. host: what does robert mueller say about the trump golf works issue? trump brought it up again yesterday in the oval office. guest: what did he say in the oval office, do you remember? host: he brought up that they had a business deal. he was juster said a member for a while and he wasn't using the club so he sent a letter in to resign and it was hurting normal. the interesting thing to me about that, a lot of people present a mueller and trump as
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being from completely different worlds. that trump is this guy from queens and that he is more of a rough-and-tumble character and that mueller is this born and bred american aristocrat who went to st. paul's with john kerry. it's interesting in terms of how the world works. findtrumps golf clubs were at least quiet host: -- free time. republican, georgia, good morning. caller: thank you. i have a question. during the mueller investigation, why was not one democrat questioned? thingshy were all of the on mueller's team, why was wiseman on mueller'ss team? i would like to ask robert mueller personally, did he write this report, or did wiseman write it?
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there are several questions that i have about robert mueller. number one, i would like to know when he was in charge of the boston bail office or department of justice, why wasn't whitey bulger ever found? he needs to answer a lot of questions. host: john, you think robert mueller is trustworthy? caller: no, i do not. i thinkhe's two-faced, he is doing what the democrats wanted him to do, and i would love for the republicans to get whyim tomorrow and ask didn't you question one democrat? host: what do you take from that? guest: i don't know the party affiliations of everyone who robert mueller question. i know that there was a great focus on the trump campaign, obviously, which was a republican campaign. that was part of it, to look at connections and possible election interference and
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possible collusion. in the words of the letter from rosenstein, between the russians and the trump campaign. republicanit was a campaign, one would expect that he would be talking to a lot of republicans. i honestly can't say either way whether he interviewed any democrats or not. i know that did talk to plenty of people outside the campaign as well. videosike we said, 152 in the c-span video library featuring robert mueller. you can watch them all and you can do so at our website, c-span.org. just type in mueller at the top of the page. this is robert mueller's retirement from the fbi, august, 2013. first, george tenet speaking about robert mueller and his experience testifying with mueller in front of congress. and then, robert mueller's
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response after that. >> bob, i am going to tell the story about how much bob and i love testifying together. mr. attorney general, i know you love testifying. but bob had a very unique way of doing this. the first time, he sat there like a choir boy and never moved. and i said, you have to learn how to emote a little bit. he said i can't, i've been trained as a prosecutor. so i figured i got to change this. we would sit next to each other. you know how before you start testifying, witnesses usually ds, everybody thinks we are saying something profound to each other. bob and i would be in the middle of a testimony and i would say something to him like, bob, isn't that the dumbest question? we will leave washington journal at this point, you can see it in its entirety on our website.
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