shame at the unfair personalize they are reporting of these think he want to know that opinion because you will be disappointed in me down the road if i didn't tell you that. i'm just telling you frankly that i think your industry is wrecking all of us. heavy-handedetty and you could imagine what it is like for the journalists the next day. the fact they are wrecking the country. very disturbing, and we are hearing that today. the enemy of the american people, according to president trump. ehe press is not the enemy of the american people. museums vice, the president of content and development talks about the american presidents and the press. watch c-span skew mende sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern --

a sundays q and night at 8:00 p.m. >> thank you for taking my call. i think the big winner in this whole process is c-span. it is the one network president trump didn't criticize. the phones to the speaker before me and then myself. prime minister eight as a democrat were all 77 counties in 2016 voted for president trump. i think there has been enough evidence in what i have seen, which is unfiltered on c-span, and without commentary from millionaire anchors that there needs to be a trial in the senate. let the process work its way out. if trump is not guilty, let the

process work its way out. >> live coverage of the impeachment inquiry and the administration's response on c-span. c-span, your unfiltered view of the impeachment inquiry. we are joined by the author of the new book "inside trump's white house: the real story of his presidency." what does it mean to be unauthorized biographer? >> you know, i don't think that -- you are the only authorized biographer of president trump. >> i don't know that is accurate. it doesn't tell his life. the white house and his election campaign and the history of his first year in the white house. >> what does it mean to be authorized? >> it means they say ok, and the president says what he wants. who do you want to talk to?

sitting with sarah huckabee sanders and bill shine when it started, and i said i want everybody. >> he said good, you can have all. once i started interviewing the family members, i couldn't get out of the family. it was too interesting. >> how did you get into that room in the first place? >> it was a long time. it was here -- a year debate. i had a meeting with a ivanka trump and setting 200 years when you are gone and your children are gone, they will still be trumpg books about the family and still theatrical performances and whether your family is viewed with hatred or thing,ted depends on one primary sources. not anonymous sources. not third-party. it is what you say, your father says that history will be written, and i would like to write that book, so they debated

it for a year. the tape-recorded george bush, so there is general kelly saying no, no. you can't let that guy in here. -- why did they decide to trust you? >> it is the president. if someone really enjoys doing something, he feels little rise to the task, even if they may not be perfectly fitted competently, whether it is billing a skyscraper or putting his daughter in front of north carolina in the campaign. he saw the desire and said there is love. he said -- came to mar-a-lago was onsed my -- and he tv criticizing me.

but i trust you. he probably didn't have a chance to read it, but they can dictate anything i write or say, but they can say wait, this was off the record. this was on the record. they can also say this is a national security issue. they do have that option, and i wanted to be accurate. that was the whole point of the book. i want to write something that is really what they said, so i encouraged don jr. and tiffany and eric and ivanka and jared, i to find mistake but today, no. i wrote what i wrote. >> when were you with the white house and when with the family? >> it was over a period of two years. it was in and out. i had three meetings with the president beginning in 2016 and lots of questions for the kids and staff, met with ivanka in

her office for interviews multiple times, met with jared in his wonderful white house office which is quite a trip, right in between the chief of staff and oval office. went to ivanka and jerrod's home in georgetown for an evening to interview them around a roaring fireplace, went to trump tower to interview eric and laura. jared's georgetown got the tour of trump tower, talked on the phone with the family multiple times and got the only interview with tiffany, the only when she's given since her father was elected. >> who most interested you and who defied expectations? >> i was surprised by a lot of things about -- one of the things that surprised me -- usually in most families, there is a dumb one, rich one, poor one, lazy one. there are different characters that emerge in the family. and theymp is dynamic,

all have this positive streak in them. them. i when i quizzed ivanka, she said i will not be bitter. i will be happy. i choose to be happy. i cannot function if i am not happy. i would bring up russian collusion and they would bring out a silver lining, including the president. house,de the trump white the book is the discussion of our conversation. democrats can call in (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001 you brought up jared kushner already. incomes up page eight early the book, you and the book with jared kushner. a lot of references to jared kushner in this book. 2.

jared kushner came up several times. know: i wanted to everything. what do you watch on netflix, how do you sleep on international voyages that you take? i did spend a lot of time getting the stuff i felt from jared kushner. he is a very inning medic mysterious guy. host: at first he right jared kushner would not let me record our interviews, forcing me to rely on notes, but his stories were the biggest of all pulled from his georgetown home or pulled from his office squeezed between the oval office and the chief of staff suite in the rarefied west hallway. every story was patiently waiting. my young team was impressed. we are now actually interviewing spider-man. what was most worth waiting for? guest: there are so many. he said to me, i told my father-in-law russian collusion is the perfect scandal for you,

because it is so far-fetched and you are so provably innocent. if they had created some scandal over casinos in atlantic city or building in new york city with building permits the public could have been confused and it could have worked, but they chose russian collusion. perfect. he also said russian collusion was a great diversion because he felt they could not have turned around the economy if the media was focused on the deregulation. would make stories out of the deregulation they could not turn around the economy. host: the unexpected advantages of the russia witchhunt and how it plays into what is happening now with ukraine. explain. aest: by saying that he is russian agent, stop and think about that. the russians have run him for president and elected him

against all odds to be the president of the united states and he is a russian spy. that is like landing a man on the moon, the assassination of julius caesar, christopher columbus, one of the greatest events of world history if they were able to achieve that. when it turns out to be untrue, or they can't prove it, it is pretty far-fetched. i can tell you a story about that, but in any case they say no, no, no russian collusion wasn't it but this is really it. it inoculates the president and a lot of people's mind. at least apologize over russian collusion and then i will listen to what you have to say will stop you can't keep this up. in that sense a kind of worked to his advantage. here tothor doug wead talk about many of the stories he learned during his time in the white house with the trump family. emma kratz, (202) 748-8000

--democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. .ndependents, (202) 748-8001 democrat and i believe in the united states of america and i worked at the space department at one time. i was under george h w bush and ronald reagan. i believe that we must be bent on the fact naand not fake news. country isalf of our not familiar with the facts. the molar investigation is for real. the climate change is for real also. look at what is happening all around the world, california, the drought situation, that is

very real. our nation, most of the people are very young. our children our grandchildren, this is the united states of america, not north korea, russia, or china. on air force one. air force one is the pride of the united states of america, the flying lighthouse. i don't think he should be allowed to do that. should takeress this air force one and park it at vandenberg air force base and not let this man get on it and go abroad. host: what do you think? guest: i agree with everything you had to say except limiting the president for air force one. i worked for ronald reagan and wrote his campaign flag or fee and for george h w bush served think youi don't should deny that person free speech or can't use air force

one or can't represent us. that is what elections are all about, we have the right to vote for who we want to vote for. host: how many presidents have you interviewed? guest: six american presidents. host: what defines a legacy? guest: historians look at 120 different things, but primarily the economy and the handling of war and peace. the economy dominates. they want to know a president's intelligence. jimmy carter may be the most intelligent, but he is ranked poorly because of the economy. george h w bush is ranked as a great warrior president, but ranked lately as a very poor president because of the economy. he left with 25% approval rating. the economy dominates. that is what works in donald trump's favor. host: with the house impeachment

vote appearing likely at this point, what will that mean for this president's legacy? guest: most impeachment should be bad, but the russian collusion thing is haunting. the democrats would have been smarter if after the election they said let's unite and then went after ways to get rid of him rather than immediately saying he won let's impeach him. jared kushner told me that the kids, the trump kids, they travel all over the world. from time to time, right from the beginning in 2017, they would be pulled aside by head of state and they would say please tell your father how sorry we are he is going through this russian collusion nonsense. when i heard that story it was like a light switch going off. i wrote the book all the

president's children, when you study through the eyes of the president's children the perspective changes. i am seeing the russian collusion through the eyes of the kids. of course, if you are the president of france or the prime minister of the u.k. you aren't going to wait for two years for the mueller investigation. you are going to say what did i just read in the new york times? i want an answer by 6:00 p.m. tonight. there are 120 intelligence .gencies those countries had to know. host: they all did their own investigation? guest: they had to know. the security and economy of their country is at stake. i'm dealing with a russian spy? they knew the answer while we in america waited. host: this is pierre and washington, d.c.

independent. caller: first i want to correct you on one point. ivanka live in calla ram a and not georgetown. next, nepotism. the problem for the trump family, they talk about the bidnes, but how they justified their own nepotism and profiting off the presidency. i will let you answer the question. guest: thank you. you can call it nepotism, but from the beginning republican presidents have often picked their children to serve in government. the first president to have biological children was adams. no less than george washington don'tadams and said withhold appointment of john quincy just because he is your

son. when i sat down with ivanka t rump, she was the 19th son or daughter of an american president to be appointed to work in the white house with the father. there is a scene in one of my books where her mother, eleanor roosevelt, comes to her daughter and begs to be put on the manifest. her daughter says sorry, can't do. this has been going on for a long time. nepotism, but if you become the president of the united states you will want people that you can trust who are loyal to you, and you will have a tendency to pick people closest to you, and often that will be your own family. this has happened all through history, even modern history. they change the laws but the president will put them on the d&c payroll like jimmy carter did his son or the rnc payroll .ik

there are two things that the child will do helping the president. is offer loyal and two continuity. if your boss is reince priebus and you have all of these great projects, all of your projects collapse. now it is general kelly. then general kelly is gone. now it is mick mulvaney. the children remain. they will always be at the dinner table at thanksgiving. what you say to one of the children or relatives will endure. that continuity is important. republican,ticut, a good morning. caller: i wanted to ask how the trump family deals with two of the nastier falsehoods. i never really see the tellers suffere falsehoods ever any consequences. the first is this notion that donald trump is a racist.

president trump goes around saying things like the unemployment rate among like people is at an all-time low and takes credit for it, but he is clearly celebrating an increase in prosperity among african-americans. maxine waters and others, donald trump is racist, racist, racist. there is never 81 in the media that says how do you say that and hold that falsehood teller accountable? the other is the russian hoax. you would say we have moved past that, but we haven't because adam schiff and senator blumenthal keep saying publicly and repeatedly they personally have evidence of this crime occurring. although they never tell or appoint the evidence out. they are never pressed on it and they appear in public. i just wanted to ask how does the trump family deal with these two nasty allegations? guest: very interesting.

whole chapter about the women on the bus, the trump women. they campaigned all over the south. i detail these great stories. eric trump's close personal assistant for almost all of his life and all the other women on the bus. when i finish i wanted to get a picture of the trump women on the bus. six women on the bus, five of them are african-american. the only white person is laura trump. you never heard about it, it was never in the news. the only one that got any fame switched.a, who they recognize it, they see it. the president has great pride in those numbers because he feels he has been able to accomplish what humphrey wanted to do, what lbj wanted to do. 6 million people have gone off of food stamps.

lbj gave them food stamps and subsidized housing. the police would go around and look to see if there is a man in apartment.if there was they could lose welfare because they were claiming to be a single mom. the father had to be chased out, someone from the welfare department will be here today. you have a whole generation of young people raised without a dad. you have an increase in crime, which was natural. trump is very proud of what happened, and it doesn't matter to him if he doesn't get credit for. at least he says that. one night jared kushner came --e with his daughter came home and his daughter greeted him at the door. she said, she spoke into her how many people has jared kushner gotten out of prison today? siri didn't know.

she said i will tell you what. 20,000. today he got out two, after today 20,000. not bad, dad. most happened to be african-american, nonviolent drug offenses. the trump family takes great pride in that, whatever people want to think. host: doug wead is our guest. the book "inside trump's white house: the real story of his presidency." we are talking about it this morning taking your phone calls. i want to show the president from tuesday and the rose garden before the pardoning of the turkey. president trump talking about what he is thankful for this year and about living in the white house. [video clip] president trump: this thanksgiving we bow our heads for the new found prosperity in spirit taking place all across america. the country has never been more

successful. rebuilt.ary has been we have captured the number one terrorist in the world, killed the number one terrorist in the world, al-baghdadi. i want to thank our military, because there is nothing like our military. fornt to thank almighty god the shedding his grace on our nation. our nation is special, and we especially send our love to members of the united states armed forces serving all over the world. we are forever thankful for those who wear our nation's uniform and the families who support them. important.s are so you can never be the same without those great families. because of their service millions of americans are celebrating another thanksgiving in safety and peace. it is a very special country, a

very special place. the rose garden at the white house. if you're looking back here, that is the oval office some of before.n't been here every time we walked onto the grounds of the white house, we realize how special it is. host: the president living in the white house, and his feelings about that. this president owns a lot of property around the country. guest: that is very funny. in christmas 2018 he stayed in the white house rather than going to mar-a-lago. he was playing the martyr saying i will stay here and work for the country. mar-a-lagol go to and have traditions for christmas they love. dad, aren't you going to join us? he said i have all this business, i have to work for the country, i have to stay here. finally eric and laura say we are coming back to the white house.

we aren't going to let you be alone on christmas. there. staty jared and ivanka call and say dad, you can't be alone for christmas. he opens up to jared. he says i own all of these homes. i'm goings a rental, to enjoy this for a while. he called the white house a rental. he was also setting up a private moment was that he and the first lady were planning to fool the family and go to iraq caller: good morning. just almost made me throw up this morning. threw up every time they

mentioned. trump at 63 million votes. people in this country voted for this clown disgracing the white house every day. who has spenty 24% of the time on the golf course. have a nice day. thank you. host: the president and golfing? nixon i remember richard after he lost to john kennedy. he held a press conference and said i will never criticize anyone for going to florida, hyannis port, or taking time off . is not a 9-to-5 job where you come into an office. it is decision-making. ute noecisions bear on matter where you are or where you go.

wherever the president goes, the twitter handle is not far from him. what are your thoughts on the president's twitter habits? guest: my thoughts don't matter. if i was advising him, he never would have been elected president, so what do i know? i think his communication is transformational. i think he has gone somewhere you can't come back from. that will always be a tool for future presidents, pretty amazing, direct communication with the people. while it is crude and has rough edges, it is comforting and awake. i worked for multiple presidents. i knew many of the presidents. they are very careful about what they say. george w. bush was fascinating, great sense of humor and a wonderful guy, but you would ask him a question or i would do this and do that, he would

grunt, mont, rolled his eyes from the nod. you had to figure out what to do. if you are wrong, you are in trouble if you are right, you make it rewarded. nothing he ever said could be brought before an impeachment inquiry, because he could say i just didn't say that. i just smiled. going to impeach me for smiling? it is refreshing. it is scary. i like the fact he is not a politician. he has rough edges and he is telling us what he thinks. host: this is dominic out of new york. caller: good morning. i would like to know your guests opinion on the economy. i have a 93-year-old man who says that in that will never forget his trump crossing over the dmz into north korea, powerful. group, now that the mias are coming home, he stopped

that guy from bombing. he goes were no one else would go. i think the economy is doing great. i would like to hear your opinion. have a great day in happy thanksgiving. happy thanksgiving. the numbers don't lie. it is miraculous what has happened. jobs.e 7 million unfilled that is the population of the state of indiana. it is pretty amazing. when i hear comedian say i wish we had a recession, you know we get use to peace and prosperity. we get used to it. when you don't have peace and you don't have prosperity, herbert hoover, i think the american media would love herbert hoover. he was brilliant, courtly, very careful with what he said from very presidential. he was an engineer. scientists, were engineers.

he fed europe after world war i when they were starving. he led us through this great depression. up new thes spring major cities of america on the garbage dumps, people who could not keep their houses, so they went to the garbage dumps come up where they looked for scraps to build their own homes, where they look for food for the children. there was no sewage or running water. there were thousands of these hoovervilles across the country. that is how people suffer when the economy goes bad. it is fun when you are famous the rich, and it comedian to say we need a recession, because you want your team to win the white house. actually prosperity is a wonderful thing. 6 million people have gone off food stamps. that is a good thing. that is not a bad thing. host: did you have to sign a nondisclosure agreement in writing this book? guest: no, i didn't.

that is why they debated it for a year. there were people in the white house opposed to the idea. when it finally broke, i said come on in. you can have whatever you want. host: no ground rules? guest: no ground rules except they say off the record or on the record, but hardly anything was off the record. i went with it. they are going to open the door. i'm going through it. host: the book is "inside trump's white house: the real story of his presidency." doug wead for the next 25 minutes. a republican, good morning. caller: thank you for making your appearance on the show. i think you're levelheaded and fair in her opinions. two quick statements and i would like your reaction. with the de's that president trump turned this economy around , it appears to me that the answers in how to do it were all

along for everybody, republican and democrat, to see for many years. however, the democrats chose not to do it. the democrats it appears measure their success with the amount of people they could put on welfare and government assistance while the republicans measure their success with the amount of people they can put to work. the last thing i want to say is this is also applicable to our school system. it is not in the best interest of the democrats to educate our children to where they can all get great jobs as doctors, lawyers engineers, fire science, police officers, because if they can get good jobs, they will not need the assistance that the government has to offer to buy their votes. what is your opinion on my statement?

steve, i agree with your statement, and more. i spent 40 years in the republican establishment and came to the conclusion the democratic and republican establishments are both owned by great multinational companies with links to china in more recent years. money.t it is all about for example, when i worked in the white house, almost all regulation drives out the competition. the small companies, if you're wanting to start your own business, you can't do it because of the mountain of regulation. pass,hose regulations they get the monopoly and then there is a recession, so democrat republican, they pass a

.timulus bill nobody evers is read this to ms. bill. they read their 12 pages, 15 senator, this the will help. the idea of this to ms. bill is to help during a recession in the economy is down, but what they do is get the regulations. so get the regulations passed from you have to keep and you can't start a business because there is so many of them, then when there is a recession, they don't have to keep them either in order to create jobs. the name of the game is money. in the last few years, we have seen the largest transfer of wealth in world history outside the middle east from the united states middle-class china, and donald trump is taking that on. people, outrage to many

many multinational companies don't like it. they own the companies that advertise on media, pay the bills on media, on the companies that provide the money for the think tanks, the pendants they go on the shows from the like me, right now. they get paid from a think tank that gets donations from these very companies, and donald trump is come in and turned over the tables. he is shattering the class. he hase outraged, but turned around the american economy. host: joe on twitter, but is your view on why the president won't reveal his taxes. joe says i think it is only fair we can see him. guest: i have no idea why. i remember in the campaign come the 1988 campaign -- i have to be careful because there were a lot of dirty tricks in the 1988 campaign, but there was a big push to get the medical records of kitty dukakis, governor

dukakis caucus his wife's medical records, so the gop spread horrible rumors, and they were defenseless because they couldn't for whatever reasons release these medical records. so there is probably a story behind the story, and my guess is we will eventually find out. it could also be a red herring knowing the president, something he is hiding and keeping close to the chest and when it comes out you will be disappointed. host: this is barney, democrat. good morning. , you lie just as much. as trump just as much two. you tell me about the blacks on the bus. bus,e blacks was on the why don't you see them in the public? you understand what i am saying, men? -- man? you kind of make me want to throw up, man. host: another question about his

relationship with the african-americans. guest: i don't know what to tell you. they didn't hide who was on the bus. they went all over the country, but they weren't given any attention for what they were saying or doing, and all i can tell you is the numbers as small as they may be are actually up among african-american supporting the president, so there are some who support him, and have increased their support of him. all i can say is he is very proud of the fact that unemployment is down, record lows for african-americans. he is happy about that. he likes it. he is thrilled about it. he is thrilled by the young men who were allowed out of prison, nonviolent crimes, being held in prison, and he is happy about that. that is all i can say. host: you have written a book about presidents children, and you have a chapter on each one of the presidents children.

talk about the two that are in the public eye as much. went into thed white house 10 years old, and he will come out a grown man. the stories in the book about cute. a really the second night after the inauguration, they are in the state dining room and these adults are having the quiet time together, the nightmare is over, they think, everything is done. meanwhile, the eight grandkids ,re bracing -- bracing through screaming, laughing, playing hiding go seek. barron is supervising. he tries to find them. in the state dining room, there is a big conversation among the adults. inron comes running

commencing what, what, what? they say, laura has just told us she is pregnant good he says, oh, ok, and races off. he has things to do, find kids hiding in the east room now. it is cute to hear his story. now he has grown into a man. tiffany goes to the white house every week. she loves to see him play soccer. now they are really close buddies. it is interesting to see them as children. they have to survive all of this. host: what does tiffany do now? guest: she is going to georgetown law. all of this has changed her life completely. she grew up in california to georgia. she was one of the most interesting to interview because of that. she had not lived in new york. she has a perspective of the newark trumps. after she gave a speech at the rnc, she was instantly a celebrity. before that she would walk all over the streets of new york.

she could no longer do that. everything ended after she gave her speech at the rnc. now she spends those weekends at the white house, but she has great stories. for example, the night they all went to buckingham palace. there was no carriage with six white horses. there was no motorcade to take him to buckingham palace. they had to make it there themselves. here is the trump family with their gowns and tuxedos, they rent a van bus that would take you to your rental car at the airport, and they piled in with all their dresses and gowns and tuxedos and said, take us to buckingham palace. some great stories to tell. host: michelle is next out of schenectady, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. u and you're you not hiring and training people, that is not real job growth.

it is temporary. republic to build a fake bubble economy. it is like 2006, 2007 all over again. you and history will show that the only reason why this presidency is doing better than the obama presidency is because republicans stymied obama with sequestration in 2010, causing the economy to suffer. the on the miss bill which was bipartisan -- omnibus bill had a lot of energy and renewable points to it that actually build up the economy, and it is still doing it today. even governor norquest stated that they need to focus on the deficit and fight sequestration. host: more on the economy. caller: very -- guest: very good points.

it is sometimes complex. sometimes these arguments cancel each other out. some say there is no economic recovery and it is an illusion. isers say there is, but it barack obama who caused the economic recovery. sometimes they say both things in the same sentence. we are still tribal. we have our favorites. i see it after years in government as a racket. one company gets interest free money from the federal reserve, doesn't even go through a bank. it goes from the federal reserve to that company. one company gets federal money and is subsidized by federal money. one has to keep the environmental regulations. another is exempted from that. it is very unfair and arbitrary and is based on lobbying. joined donald trump because he is missing all that up. credit all these jobs

to barack obama. for example, he didn't improve the pipeline, so there is 160,000 jobs. there are differences between obama and trump, but there are good things to say about both of them. host: stephanie in michigan wants to know what your experience was compared to other folks about what's happening in the white house commencing at like to know if you saw the chaos described in bob woodward's book in michael wolff's book. guest: the answer is yes. i saw the chaos. i have a different take on it. i expect a lot of this chaos was calculated. i did that because i worked in the white house for george h w bush. so much what we did was calculated. some of my best friends who were journalists could not believe some of the things we did were actually calculated, but they were. it was spy versus spy versus spy versus spy.

when you think you got the story straight, there is a politician manipulating it. i was in the white house not expecting it to be the way -- that way. i came out thinking everything was cockaded. son sue said out of cast comes opportunity. nato, donald trump blew up nato. isa is our oldest treaty -- this is our oldest treaty. look what he's doing to this treaty. they were talking to the media trump. mouthing donald donald trump came in and he impersonated the generals. they would say sir, these are our friends. they are our friends, sir. trump would say if they are our friends, why are they not keeping their word? why did they sign a document and say this percent of gdp will go to defense, and our middle-class

has to pay for it? why should i middle-class build high-speed railways in germany? why should they pay for new airports across europe when they are descending into poverty. that is not a friend. yes, they are our friends, sir. he blew up nato and nato got back to business and agreed once again they would meet their obligations. they raised $100 billion from nato. remember his wall with mexico would cost $1.6 billion. he raised 100 billion dollars from nato. it is stronger than it has ever been. the head of nato loves trump. that is the end result of this chaos. you blow it up, and you rebuild it. i can say the same thing about nafta. ofre is a reason behind some the outlandish things that seem to be happening. michigan,ing in teresa, republican. good morning. caller: morning.

i'm wondering what you think about all the corruption in the white house. i am hearing somebody calling about the russian hoax. it is not a hoax. william barr has been implicated. mike pompeo has been implicated. the reason donald trump doesn't want to turn over his taxes is because he has been getting russian money over the last decade and doesn't want the american people to know that he is working with russia, and everything he does has been helping russia. guest: center calling in, republican line, did you vote for donald trump in 2016? did vote for him, and i'm terribly sorry, america that i did vote for him, because this is the most corrupt -- i mean, there are so many things people have said and you don't correct them. you let them keep on going and spewing out lies. this is not a russian hoax. donald trump is the most corrupt president we have ever had.

host: got your point. guest: you think donald trump is a russian spy, ok, but more power to you. bernie sanders has defended venezuela, the socialist government. venezuela has russian troops on the ground in their country, defending and protecting. they have cuban bodyguards protecting maduro. 95's based in caracas, capable of delivering nuclear weapons to the united states. if you're going to talk about russian collusion, i mean, you had the clinton foundation of receiving $145 million from allian oligarchs, so through american history there have been these accusations. they said thomas jefferson was a french spy that the french own. they said john adams was a

british spy that the british own. i don't see it. i'm sorry. happened, if it donald trump is a russian spy, it will be one of the most incredible events and all of world history, greater than columbus crossing the atlantic. it will be really something, but i doubt it. theory will blow away all anonymous and look for primary sources and with the president said, and they will look for evidence. he is a russian spy, who will prove it? when did they recruit him? did they have him increasing the military defense budget? anddid they have him fight stop the socialist takeover in venezuela? why is he doing all these things? why did he increase the number of oligarchs to receive sanctions in russia? if he is a russian spy, they are doing a bad job of running him. host: doug wead, the book is

"inside trump's white house: the real story of his presidency" is out. we will try to get to your calls and the time we have left. monroe, louisiana, good morning. drink: i-8 too much and too much, so i'm sorry. too much and drink too much, so i'm sorry. you have had 40 years close to washington and to the conservative movement. i am very interested in the christian side of all of this, -- you mentioned a minute ago, i think they both said to the effect that the greatest generals know how they will win their war before the first soldier puts his foot on the ground. , with youring experience with the christian maturity all of the that has come to the christian

political thinkers the last 40 years, do you see as being a much more powerful, do you see a tipping point coming around the world where you have the possibility of a mature christian church around the world they could begin to take the lead in developing something i've begun to call a new new world order, based on christian biblical ethics. host: i got the question. guest: i don't know if i'm capable or qualified to answer that. i know the president had a spiritual side to him that shocked me. he sent me a list of names from the white house interview, one was his friend, a pastor in florida. i did learn the story that his father loved norman vincent peel , the preacher in manhattan. as a little boy, he would take donald trump to that church, so

he grew up loving norman vincent peel. he was upset when he died. he got a lot of inspiration from him. jersey, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning, joan. trump, hisl, donald first 100 judges appointed ,ommittee appointed 98% white one hispanic, one african-american. secondly, you speak about his children in the white house, it is illegal for his daughter and son-in-law to be in the white house in the first place. they couldn't even get security clearance. he pushed it through. thirdly, you speak about the republican party, to trillion dollar tax giveaway to the top 1%, and your bragging that they took 6 million people off of unemployment. in early of the statement you , that they gave

blacks food stamps, that is a racist statement in itself. the problem with the republican party is, and even with in the last 50 years, black home ownership is at the lowest in over 50 years come and you know who had a big part in that? steve mnuchin. steve mnuchin is in his cabinet. you talk about black people being on the bus? what about in his cabinet? his cabinet is the wealthiest, whitest cabinet in america. the key to it is when i talk about 98 of those judges were quite in one african-american and one hispanic, and you are telling me, he got, we got this host: got your point. guest: that is food for thought. i will have to research that and see how right you are on that.

i can say this, you can google billionaires and their support. you will see in the last election the billionaires supported the democratic party 20-1, every former president voted for the democratic party. the establishment was overwhelmingly democrat. 419 newspaper endorsements from 19 for george w. bush. all of hollywood totally supported. when donald trump became president and announced a gdp of 3%, he was scorned by every major economist in the world. 100%. there wasn't one who broke and said i think he can do it. 100% against it. and it worked. and he did it. so the growth of the economy is good for all of us, regardless of our race, and the supreme court nominees, it is not an easy task. a lot of people feel he has done good.

in the past, the republicans would get one, the democrats would get one from sometimes republicans would give the democrats another one. my president appointed a liberal of liberalot a lot ideas were winning and they need help in the judiciary. this president was elected by conservatives, so he's appointing them to the supreme court. call,one more phone jacksonville, florida, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to make a couple of comments under question. the gentleman here seems like a nice guy. i don't know him, but then i don't know most historians. this is the thing though, i think one of the overriding things that the trump presidency will be known for among other things is just the constant overwhelming amount of lies, lies about things egg, buys about things small, lies about things in between.

obvious lies, tons and tons of them, starting before his presidency began, continuing to this day, even picking up according to experts to this day. and, you know, i know the first thing the trump apologists will say, obama lied. bush lied. lincoln lied. george washington lied. they all live. it is all the same thing. it is all about even. know, oforians will course, that mathematically speaking, not just opinion, but mathematically speaking, the volume of lies this president superiorhis far, far than any other ones in my lifetime, for one in my lifetime, for sure. probably in the history of the whole country. this gentleman is a historian who knows facts or whatever from

history, and should have some knowledge of the monumental amount of lies the president has told. does he realize the president is on a pace that far, far outstrips any other one that i can think of? host: i want to give doug the final minute or two. y.est: thanks, ja answers,ave all the but you mentioned past lies that presidents have told, and you can go all the way back to eisenhower, but you could not mention one. you said there are hundreds, thousands of lies that president trump has told but you cannot mention one. i can remember lies told about him -- that he is a russian recruited byample, putin himself. i saw a report from one of the largest papers in the world that said that his wife was a prostitute, his son was

autistic. i saw a comedian promoting the #incest regarding this president. i hope we have on thanksgiving peace and prosperity, however it happen. thank god we've got peace and thank god we've got prosperity. host: we appreciate your time this morning. doug wead journal,'s washington live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. brennan center for justice and george mason university law discuss government surveillance and privacy issues. mark stricker's on the recent anniversary of the jonestown

massacre and roll calls investigative report. be sure to watch "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern this morning. join the discussion. we welcome professor alan lichtman back to our desk, a history professor at american printed in 20 16 that donald trump would win the 2016 election and eventually be impeached. take us back to those 2016 predictions. what were they based on? guest: first off, i managed to get everybody mad at me, both trump supporters and anti-trump forces, but my prediction of a trump win was based upon my the keys to the white house, that i developed in 1981 and that has forecast all-american presidential elections since 1984. the thesis is simple.

forget the pundits, the polls, who is up day-to-day, look at the big picture. the strength and performance of the party holding the white house and determine whether or not an election is a change election. thetermined, regardless of republican nominee, that 2016 was going to be a change election, and any generic republican was going to win, and i was right. and then i got this little note on my washington post interview that said congrats, professor. good call, a big sharpie, donald j. trump. think he got far enough to get to my second the second big -- prediction, that he would be impeached. that was my study of his entire career and his campaign. i found that this was someone who, starting back in the early 1970's, when he was sued by the

department of justice for discriminating against estateies in his real company, this was someone who had no regard for the law. this was someone who had no regard for the truth. reality was whatever served him at the moment. this is someone who had spent his entire career enriching himself and promoting his brand with no empathy for anyone else. those are characteristics that i thought would lead him smack into an impeachment process. host: and you wrote a book in 2017, "the case for impeachment." what was your argument then? how doesthe case and it align right now with what is happening in the impeachment inquiry? guest: it aligns allows perfect way. i had a chapter on flouting the law, a chapter on the russia connection, how the russia connection is not recent but goes back quite a long time with his attempt to do various business deals in russia.

host: but it is not like you predicted a ukraine phone call. guest: no, of course not. but exactly what i wrote about in the book, the fact that this was someone who had concern only for himself, who didn't care about the truth, who didn't care about the law, who is totally was aerving, and that manifestation in his attempts to shake down a vulnerable foreign nation for help in the 2020 election. exact kind of individual i talked about in "the case for impeachment." host: what was the reaction when you put this book out in 2017? guest: people said, you are nuts. how can you be talking about impeachment? he has only been in office a few months. that was the same reaction i got predicted -- when i that trump was going to win -- all the pollsters and pundits have a different way of looking

at it. i have tried to get away from the conventional wisdom and use my knowledge of history and training as a historian to get at the deeper truth, and that is what the book reflects. host: washington journal with professor alan lichtman, we would love to take your calls. .emocrats, (202) 748-8000 republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. your take away from the impeachment hearings? guest: it is open and shut. it is in his own words that he was extorting and bribing president zelinski of ukraine, who is totally dependent on the united states. the very survival of his nation depends upon the united states and. built the case, not only when you ask someone that vulnerable or dependent for

a favor, it is not a request. you can hear the voice of the godfather -- i have been very, very good to you, but you haven't returned much, so i have a little favor i want to ask you. it is a favor you can't refuse. hes, it was quite clear that withheld the aid and withheld the meeting to pressure the ukrainians to help him cheat in the election by investigating his political rival, joe biden, on a transgression that has been totally disproven and pushing, astoundingly, the russian propaganda line, the line pushed by vladimir putin and the russian intelligence services that it really wasn't russia intervened in the 2016 election, it was a hoax concocted by the democrats and the ukrainians, as if it would be in the interest of the democrats to hack their own server and release all this detrimental emails about the

and hillary clinton. it makes absolutely no sense, but here is the president of the this ideates pushing and continuing to push it in recent interviews. host: since you are known for your predictions, will president trump be impeached in the house and convicted in the senate? guest: i am totally convinced he will be impeached in the house. i think it is unlikely he will be convicted in the senate, except for one possibility. one of the lichtman rules of politics is that for officeholders like republican senators, they have one priority -- political survival. if it looks like trump is going to bring them down, they could turn against him. said,uth, as one insider if they could vote in secret they would boot him out, because they would rather see mike pence, a dependable, down the pike christian conservative as president than the loose cannon donald trump. host: our first caller, an

independent. good morning. caller: good morning. we keep seeing things -- saying things in ukraine and russia have been unproven, debunked by our so-called intelligence agency. the intelligence agency you are now.ng on is -- right guest: crowd strike is a private company. caller: shawn henry, crowd mcafee.used to work for groupou bring in this instead of the fbi and the fbi goes to shawn henry, who used to work for robert mueller, we've got some serious, serious problems here. william barr says he is going to get his arms around this. the atlantic

council, this goes to the state department under hillary, where we did not have a confirmed inspector general -- this is far deeper than what you are talking about. nothing has been debunked. guest: everything has been debunked. it is not crowd strike. kraut strike is a private company that in fact has just been hired by the republican congressional campaign committee to work for them. a perfectly respectable company. it was the one that first uncovered the fact that the russians were hacking democratic sources and disseminating this detrimental information. who has confirmed it? 17 intelligence agencies. the mueller investigation. the bipartisan report of republicans and democrats in the united states senate have all confirmed it was russia, not the democrats or the ukrainians. as i have explained, it makes

absolutely no sense for the democrats to be hacking their and releasing detrimental information to help donald trump. it is a theory that nobody seems to believe but donald trump right now. host: this is mary in las vegas, a democrat. caller: good morning, mr. lichtman. i agree with you in your entirety, everything you are saying. if i may say a few things before i go on, william barr is as much a threat as donald trump. he is the cover-up attorney general. december 1991, 1992, how he covered up the iran contra scandal. ,nd he's got mitch mcconnell getting millions of dollars from his wife's family in china. he overturned sanctions and paska, who is into organized crime and connected to russia, trump only supports

dictators it seems, even in photo ops. helsinki was an embarrassment. host: ok, what is your question? caller: my question is, why are people watching some of these hearings -- why are they reading the mueller report? the man was found to obstruct justice at least 10 times. host: alan lichtman on the mueller report. respect had a lot of for mueller, i was crossing we disappointed by his report. not so much the substance of it, but the way it was presented. presented.ense legal se, and thenale

anlet william barr, appointee of donald trump, spin the report in a way that it seems to exonerate trump when the report in fact did not. history called bob mueller, but the call went to voicemail. what a waste, that investigation. host: we will see what the judiciary committee comes up with. you you predict -- do you predict that it will be a narrow articles of impeachment focus on ukraine and the phone call, or could it be included to expand issues of obstruction raised by robert mueller? guest: one, i hope it will be thended and two, i think democrats are making a huge mistake in rushing to impeach. the nixon example shows you cannot put a time limit on impeachment. that investigation went on for almost a year and a half and started up with looking at the watergate or glory -- watergate

burglary. what did they find? illegal campaign contributions, illegal wiretaps, a legal attempts toillegal rig elections. alle have a real hearing, the transgressions we may find of donald trump. i hope neither the investigation or the articles will be narrow, because i think if you actually read the mueller report, it is pretty damning. committeejudiciary holding its hearing, beginning its part of this process. what will we see from jerrold nadler in the judiciary committee? see morehope we hearings, not just a rush to judgment and a rubberstamping of a report. i think it does a disservice to the nation to believe that the transgressions of donald trump are limited to the ukraine scandal. they are much deeper than that. host: professor allan lichtman of american university with us for our last 40 minutes left in this program, taking your phone

calls. i will remind you of his 2017 book, "the case for impeachment ," and a picture of donald trump on the cover of that book. jerry in mississippi, good morning. caller: good morning. happy after thanksgiving day. host: same to you. heler: the professor there, must be kind of psychic, you know? he told people, people said he ts, and guess what, professor? and ik you are psychic, think i am psychic too. i believe everything you said. i think president trump will be impeached, he will be acquitted in the senate, and elected for four more years. have a good day. on that --quick note

no president who has been impeached, including the tube acquitted by the senate and adding richard nixon, who resigned to avoid impeachment, in none of those cases that their party win the next election for president. johnson, a democrat, was impeached in 1868. his party lost that election year. richard nixon's republicans lost and bill clinton's democrats lost in 2000 in an election that they easily should of peace,t a time prosperity, foreign and domestic tranquility, and with a president whose popularity was close to 70%. it was the cloud of scandal that defeated them. i think republicans ought to be pretty wary of the idea that if trump gets acquitted by the senate, he's going to have an easy time getting reelected. host: the caller began his saying he was

impressed by your predictions. do you want to let folks know your track record? guest: yes. i developed my system, keys to the white house, in 1981, in collaboration with the world's leading earthquake predictor. model, 13 keysis which gauge the strength and performance of the party holding the white house. the idea is that presidential elections are essentially votes up or down on the party holding the white house, and these projections have been correct for over 30 years. nine consecutive presidential elections, 1984 to 2016, and you democratic, 90% washington, d.c., i took a lot of heat when i predicted trump would win in 2016. host: when are you going to put out your 2020 prediction? guest: i don't know yet.

sometimes the keys fall in place early. i called a heart to call 2012 -- i called a heart to call --hard 2012 election in 2010. things change overnight, so i'm not ready to make a prediction yet. host: what is a key that seems like it might be in place at this point. 13 different ones, but what is one aspect? guest: the economy, to economic economic keys and it looks like trump may hold both of them, but we do not know if in thenomy will hold election year, so he could lose the short-term economy key. host: harold out of washington, republican. good morning to you. , 101st i am a veteran infantry division. guest: god bless you. caller: for thanksgiving, we put

a slogan on -- forgiveness is the solution. i would like the president to go to the nadler committee and forgive them what they are doing, for the motion of what they are doing. it is based on hate, and hate is the opposite of love. we should love our constitution. we should be thanksgiving -- very, very thankful that we have the founding fathers who brilliantly put together the only and the best formula for success of people to live in freedom, not like in hong kong, not like in any other -- venezuela, any other place. guest: how about russia or china? caller: [laughter] was with the russians in world war ii, a little town about 40 miles from berlin. they had a gigantic cathedral, i

understand. the russians came to watch us play baseball. their trucks were so dilapidated, they had note doors -- no doors on their trucks, they were fighting with nothing. unfortunately, roosevelt was a sick man and gave them austria and so on. the miracle of many of them, austria, the german army, the russian army that occupied austria peacefully left. host: harold, thanks for sharing your story. about i agree with harold the constitution. let's not forget, it is the framers who put impeachment into the constitution, quite advisable he, as a legal, orderly, and in peaceful means for dealing with a rogue president, as opposed to the mechanisms of their time, which was assassination or revolution. so jerry nadler, who by the way

was my high school debate istner in the 1960's, doing the house's constitutional duty. the house has the sole responsibility for impeachment. i agree -- i would love to see donald trump sit-down for the house judiciary committee and tell his side of the story. he was invited. he was invited by mueller to tell his side of the story. not only has he not told his side of the story, he has blocked every one of his former aides from testifying and they have not given the house a single document they have requested. this is beyond the stonewalling of richard nixon, for which he was impeached. shy aboutas not been talking about impeachment, tweeting about impeachment, tweeting about witnesses during open impeachment hearings. do you think we will be seeing more of that from the president, and is that a good idea? idea. it is a terrible even richard nixon didn't do that.

he stayed out of the impeachment process. all it does is demean the president. it wasn't bad enough, and instead of just firing ambassador marie yovanovitch in the ukraine, which the president could have done in five minutes, they had to orchestrate a malicious, false smear campaign to destroy this anticorruption ambassador so they could deal with the corrupt elements in the ukraine. that wasn't enough. the president has to continue attacking and this merging marie search --h --the marie yovanovitch. he is the only president i have seen to use the bully pulpit to attack individuals. host: and what about jerry nadler as a debate partner? guest: he was fantastic.

we were in high school in new york city and helped establish competitive debate in the city of new york. host: taking your phone calls this morning with professor allan lichtman. kelly in garden grove. you're next. morning, happy after thanks giving everyone, and i just wanted to thank the gentleman for coming out with this book. this is just 2.0, you know? all roads lead to putin with trump. he has a long history with them. deutsche bank and all of his appointments -- i will not say of his appointees have their fingers in the pie. mitch mcconnell has strong ties to kentucky coming in and having funding for a lot of their -- i guess it is an aluminum oligarch that has invested quite a lot of lindsay haseningrad

jumped into that pool as well. i think they have aligned with him and they have their agendas that they want to push through, like their evangelical and holding women's economy from -- autonomy from there -- sorry -- from their reproductive rights. i want to say to the last guest who was on, hearing some of the colors on the other side of the aisle, i appreciate that they are actually listening now and somewhat coming around. it is encouraging. the striking things about the polling on impeachment, which found about half of the american people favor not just impeachment, but impeachment and removal, is the enormous gender gap. 61% of american women, 20 points higher than american men, favor impeachment and removal.

the other point i would follow up on is remember the watergate mantra? follow the money. follow the money here. i think if the house ever gets their hands on trump's taxes and financial records, there will be a lot of corruption for them to follow. questions from our texting service, from frances in texas, why do you think trump's approval numbers are up after the hearings? guest: they are not up. they are about the same as it has always been. trump approval numbers has been frozen in time. i have never seen anything like this with the president. they have about 41% to 42%, unmoving. that chart, if the viewers cannot see, back to january 20 17 -- you can see those numbers do not move very much. guest: no they don't, because people seem fixed in their

positions, which is another reason why i have been preaching to the democrats, don't rush in peach med. one of the reasons numbers haven't moved, no one has heard of any of these people who has testified, so it does tend to blur. but if you get some people to testify like john bolton, mick mulvaney, mike pompeo, and the man who has the biggest audience, rudy giuliani. you cannot get the president, but you could get all those others. plus, there could be real bombshells in the president's financial records. they have not made the case strongly enough yet. they need to get 55% to 60%. they have to move a lot of people. 5% to 10%, but we need more if you are a democrat. host: out in california, our caller, independent. good morning. caller: good morning to you.

this is a waste of our time. trump is doing a hell of a good credit, andm that we need to stop looking at the impeachment inquiry. we are basically spinning our wheels. have a president doing a hell of a good job, we have to stop recognizing 1950, 1960, because the road that we drive on has been crooked ever since. now that the road is out, trump needs to find more people and get rid of these people, because the road has been crooked. if the american people cannot realize that -- host: who would you like to see president trump fire? caller: half the crew. half the crew trying to impeach him for the longest. guest: i don't think he can fire members of congress. caller: do you think congress is going to tell you actually the truth? [inaudible] that has a problem saying the accuser -- i cannot even

subpoena the accuser, i wants to see my accuser accusing me. host: professor lichtman? guest: look, on one hand, president trump makes threats to the whistleblower, suggesting that we should deal with him in the old-fashioned way, which is execution. on the other hand, he is pushing to violate the protections traditionally given to whistleblowers. the whistleblower is irrelevant, because all of these other witnesses have dealt with the accusations made by the whistleblower. i was pretty shocked by the caller saying trump should fire members of congress. as much as trump wants to be and rat across and -- be an autoc and disregard the system of checks and balances, we have checks and balances and it is to exerciseb oversight over the president. if trump has nothing to hide, why is he blocking all of his

aides and former aides from testifying and why is he not giving any documents? far beyond the stonewalling of richard nixon, which led to one of the articles of impeachment that the house judiciary committee voted was an him, and that article of contempt of congress for ignoring lawful subpoenas. host: nathan out of florida, a republican call. good morning. caller: good morning. everybodyke to wish happy late thanksgiving, and i just have a couple key points that i want to address. one, i was a republican who voted for trump that deeply regrets my decision for a couple reasons. one, i was under the impression it would be a better nation. come to find out i voted for a dictator who supports white supremacist groups, who supports military personnel posing with decapitated heads -- since when

does america support that? a couple more indicators he is a dictator, he had a meeting with putin versus a ukrainian president. when do we support dictators? he is closing our borders like we are china, secluded enough off from the rest of the world. nation is united, not divided. my independence decision was based on the next four years that i am facing. for the voted in again next four years, america, be aware that he is not leaving after those four years. he is going to change our democracy so we cannot vote him out or make a decision on what he is doing. host: professor lichtman? guest: i think the caller makes some good points. i think trump has posed the greatest threat to our checks and balances, as i have explained, of any president in the history of the country. ofsees himself as the ceo

america and does not want to be bothered by a pesky congress or a contrary court. and what i'm worried about is not so much that if trump gets elected, he will stay on forever , i am more worried, what if he narrowly loses and then claims that the election was rigged and was the result of fraud? this is a guy who claimed that the reason he lost the popular vote in 2016 is that somehow million 5 million -- 3 to 5 million illegal voters materialized out of nowhere on election day, voted for hillary clinton, and disappeared just as quickly. thoseis going to monger crazy conspiracy theories, he may well claim the election was rigged and he was really the winter and it was voter fraud that defeated him. that is my worry. host: the caller said he changed his mind. in terms of the 2020 election,

how big is the swing voter block out there? how big is the amount of people whose minds can be changed, will go to their polar opposites in individual parties? guest: most people will vote their parties, but you have 25% in the middle who are swale. -- swayable. host: you think it is that many? guest: yes. president trump three critical states, pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. it would not take much to swing the election the other way. host: maryland, jeffrey, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i saw the report, professor lichtman, to [inaudible] reasony there is a president makes outlandish and [inaudible]

the president of the united --tes releasing his tax professor lichtman, the is making a claim that the democrats spied on the 2016 election, campaign or whatever, and there is something criminal done by the doj that [inaudible] is there something he can do that will warrant this barring him?- disbarring it seems like he is lying as much as the president is doing. guest: the washington post has

documented over 1300 lies and misleading statements, and some of them are very big lies. for example, he lied about knowing about the illegal payments to the poor and star and -- porn star and former playboy model to shut them up. we have recordings, signed checks, he knew and he directed it, and by the way, his former attorney, for 10 years, michael notn, who he says he does know, is now in jail for those payments. he, of course, lied about illegal voters in 2016, lied about the president wiretapping his phones, the lies can be very, very big as well as small. friendy, doug wead is a of mine. but when asked about donald trump's financial records and his taxes, to reflect to kitty records?medical

those were the most incredible deflections worthy of donald trump. they have nothing to do with one another. every modern president has released their tax returns. it is not the wife of a presidential candidate. trump stands alone. in fact, he claimed he would release his taxes once they are out from audit, and he has many, many years of taxes that could not possibly be under audit anymore. so this is a very serious issue. the vast majority of the american people want to see trump's taxes. there have already been investigations which showed that he may have committed crimes with his taxes, deflating the value of properties on a claim to taxes, inflated the value when it came to getting loans. thosed to see taxes. absolutely no reason why trump

should be the one exception among all presidents in modern times that has not released his taxes. even richard nixon released his taxes when they were under audit. you mention the false claims by the president and the washington post, the fact checker column keeping track. i saidi missed that, 1300. it is 13,000. host: gary from fletcher, indiana. good morning. caller: a couple things really quick. i am impressed by all the research that you do. guest: thank you. caller: even though you are a predictor, you seem a little bit biased -- guest: let me stop you right there. i have predicted more republican victories than i have predicted democratic victories. like any other human being, i do have my own views, but they do not affect my predictions one iota. if they did, i would be useless as a predictor.

more republican predictions than democratic. caller: it is not something i am accusing you of, i am saying you are a little biased. i have a hard time with the lies. some of the lies you are talking about our personal things in his life that do not affect politics too much with me. i know women have been chasing him down forever because he got a lot of money. guest: violating finance laws does not bother you? michael: is in jail -- michael cohen is in jail for that. caller: it might bother everybody else in the world, but it does not bother me. if he is cheating with money, i do not understand that life because he's got a lot of it. but i would be really surprised [inaudible] -- i have a hard time finding some of the lies. i get put on the spot all the time and i don't know -- if you got some better ones. lying about barack obama

committing a felony by wiretapping the trump tower building during the election is one? i am baffled. you can explain away everything. if you wants to defend trump and say these weren't really lies, fine. but to say these lies are insignificant, that hillary clinton rigged the election, tried to rig it with 3 million to 5 million votes, barack obama committed a felony by wiretapping his phones at trump tower, or lying about criminal violations of the campaign finance laws, lying about so many other things that absolutely have to do with running of the country and affairs of state. host: 15 minutes left with professor allan lichtman. someone on twitter asking if you can come back in six months and see what has changed. guest: i would be happy to.

host: we will look at. jacob in kansas, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to touch on all the talk we have been doing about lies and stuff. i think sometimes it is interesting to see how things that are fact are presented as rhetoric, or how people on the other aisle and the other side do not believe the impeachment should be going on, oh, that is democratic rhetoric. i really appreciated the republican caller from florida, because he seems to be somebody who just looked at the facts and looked at what was going on, and took evidence at its worth instead of just saying, i automatically disagree with that. guest: great point. you know, i am a professor. i have spent my life on research, analysis, data trying to find the truth.

i teach my students that, and i think one of the most corrosive aspects of the trump presidency has been the war on truth. the president not only lies, it goes deeper than that. effect, hised, in own reality. reality is whatever serves trump's purpose at the moment, and that is really scary. it has without truth, democracy and freedom die. host: kathy in washington, good morning. caller: good morning. i got up early to listen to but ispan -- to c-span, would think anyone that is supporting trump or any candidate, for that matter, would do their research. trump, to me, is following in hitler's footsteps and mussolini. all you have to do is listen to his speeches, how he riles up the audience. hitler's did the same thing, by

making people think, poor me. thing is long ago, we never had fox news. hannity, jeanine , and tucker carlson and laura such hatredwing out and lies about the democrats. people do believe that. they want to be lied to. that is the only thing i can figure it out. in washington. we want to come back to the first part of her statement, the hill are comparisons to president trump. comparisons to president trump. hitleri avoid the comparisons. the enemy of

evil, and i think while trump has problems, you can criticize them without the hyperbolic and comparing him to hitler. but the caller makes a very important point. the american people are not fact checkers, and the lives come, as after the13,000, one other. sometimes five or 10 in a day and you cannot expect the american people to fact check them. i will give you a little plug, it is so important we have programs like c-span that do probed the lies and try to find the truth, on whichever side. host: your predictions, you said you started doing this in the late 1980's? guest: early 1980's, 1981. my first prediction was ronald reagan. anyone who thinks my productions are biased, forget it. your is there a key now in system that has to do with how the news about the president plays out in the media? guest: the answer is no, because

my system is a very robust system. we developed it by looking at every election -- this is from 1860 to 1980. the horse and buggy days, no computers, no airplanes, we were an agricultural society, african-americans and women did not vote, the new immigrants were not here yet. while things always change, the system is a very robust one that stands the test of time. have only made one change and it was not in the keys, it was the interpretation. i used to look only at the popular vote, because when i developed this there was no divergence between the popular vote and electoral college. now there is. two of the last four elections we have seen that kind of the divergence. interpret the same

way, the democrats are going to win the popular election because they get 5 million to 7 million extra votes in new york and california alone. there are no comparable red states host: to offset that. -- to offset that. host: kevin from north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i have appreciated all of your predictions by donald trump. i am a republican, but i am a never trumper. i have a couple things i want your opinion on. such a goodhas done job with this investigation, i am thinking he is going to be the next speaker of the house. two, my next prediction is if trump is reelected, he will be impeached again and maybe a third time.

i think his legacy is going to be, he is going to be the most impeached president of the history of this country. [laughter] those.i will comment on number one, i think you are right. i think there is a very good chance adam schiff could be the next speaker of the house, maybe a senator from california if he chooses to go in that direction, and maybe someday a presidential candidate. absolutely if democrats keep the house, which is quite lately and -- quite likely and trump gets reelected, some of these court cases might take a year or more, and in the next trump term, all kinds of new stuff will come out that could be impeachable. i am not predicting that, but you could not be far off. democrat.on, john, a good morning. caller: good morning. say that i appreciate what you said about impeachment being a peaceful means of watchinga president,

the inquiry hearings, i was getting the impression the republicans are turning to not view it in that manner. the other thing, if i feel donald trump is going to face three judgments. one, the impeachment. two, hopefully when he gets crimes against humanity and also his financial crimes. then, the final judgment. i do not have anything to do with. along with being a democrat -- guest: i don't either. [laughter] guest: i hear you, and i am glad that you brought up crimes against humanity, because i have a chapter in my book on that and it is the most controversial chapter in which i say, the most serious thing trump is doing is committing a crime against humanity by putting us all in peril for our lives and well-being by forfeiting

america's leadership on combating climate change and adopting policies here at home that throttle back the efforts on catastrophic climate change. the international criminal court has not have any jurisdiction over us, but has nevertheless said a crime against the environment is a crime against humanity, and donald trump knows better. there was a businessman's letter sent to barack obama saying it is inevitable, unless we take strong action against climate change, the consequences for humanity will be incredible. that? know who signed ivanka trump, donald trump, jr., eric trump, and donald trump senior. the only thing that has changed is donald trump's cynical conclusion that by becoming a

climate change denier, that is the way to succeed in the republican party. and he is helping us, pushing us along the path of destruction. no one seems to buy that argument because they said it was a policy difference -- i don't think so. i think it is putting humanity in peril. if you can prove that, that is impeachable. host: i will let you chat with as many colors as we can get in. john, jupiter, florida, independent. good morning. caller: yes. i would suggest not interviewing a person who is just another new york liberal professor. guest: i live in bethesda, maryland, not in new york. caller: you probably were indoctrinated in new york, because you are from there. was 16, soft when i it must have been a strange indoctrination. go ahead. caller: i have been watching this show for the last hour and a half and it is so biased it is

unbelievable. [laughter] caller: i would hope c-span would get somebody, the gatekeeper who allows these calls to come through, be an independent person. the bias is -- any fair-minded person can see that if they watch this show, it is so biased. host: did you think the previous guest was biased? caller: i believe the whole trend of this morning show is biased against trump. if any fair-minded person would play it back and listen to it. host: i invite you to watch doug wead's section from less than an hour and ago. his book "trump's white house" was part of an hour-long discussion, and now we are .alking to allan lichtman guest: and doug was a very eloquent defender of the president. host: carol in michigan. caller: hi.

first of all, donald trump, number one, loves his country more than anything. he is a patriot. guest: [inaudible] if you such a patriot, why didn't he serve? caller: immaterial. lots haven't. lots sitting in congress haven 't. been in his story has ballast, not all are lies. he likes to put some with cream on those stories, and i think you are forgetting that obama spied on james rosen, the journalist. don't forget that. nixon, when he was impeached, was led out by his republican brethren. ,hey told him, pack it up you've got to go. you'd never see that among democrats, never. and marie yovanovitch, she will neckthis issue around her

forever. where i worked for 35 years, the whistleblower had one thing -- they wouldn't lose their job, but everyone knew who they were. they simply had their job attacked it. host: carol in michigan -- their job protected. host: carol in michigan. what do you want to take from that? guest: i don't know what to take from that. it is astounding that this caller claims to represent truth and unbiased and blames marie u of a -- marie yovanovitch for the disaster in somalia? that occurred before she even arrived. it is a shame to see the malicious lies that have been spread about this woman, this ambassador who was a corruption fighter. somehow, the lies stick and the lies continue. like bullets through the air. lies, particularly slanders directed against individuals

like ambassador yaovanovitch, they are not harmless. they are evil, they are rude, and a needlessly destroyed her career. i would ask the caller to look a little more carefully into her career before the caller participates in the smearing of this very honorable person. host: back to las vegas, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. the problem is, no one sees what donald trump is really doing. donald trump has gone and made the state of israel the country of the middle east. the state of israel, run by his son-in-law, and he also will be kicked out of office for a second term by vice president pence, who will become president. that's nuclear war number three, and we will get hurt in this country. we have not forgot what we did

in vietnam. veteransmerican committed suicide. what they did to vietnamese women with chemical and destroyed their wombs -- host: our caller from nevada this morning. guest: i am not sure what the it is was driving at, but possible, as i said, if republicans in the senate think trump is going to bring him down, they could boot him out of i said,because like they would prefer mike pence if they could vote in secret. host: when will you be ready to make that prediction? you are predicting the impeachment will happen -- guest: i cannot say, because i am urging the democrats to slow down the process. absolutely no reason to rush it. i think maybe 20% of the relevant evidence is out at this point, and i think

the democrats are making a bad political calculation as well. they think it is going to hurt them to have an impeachment in the spring, in the middle of an election year, because a lot of their presidential candidates would have to sit as senators, jurors. but the real loser would be donald trump, who would have to defend himself in the senate while he is running for canident and the democrats appoint prosecutors who can make opening and closing statements, call witnesses, presents documents, cross examine any presidential witnesses. host: should democrats run on impeachment in 2020? shouldi do not think you run on impeachment, i think impeachment is a separate constitutional process. couldn't fit into the media atmosphere if that impeachment trial is taking place in the spring? guest: i don't think democrats need to run on impeachment. the trial will carry its own weight. host: one or two more calls. valerie in florida, independent. good morning. caller: yes, that was a great

segue into my question. greatchtman, if you are at predicting, which democratic candidate do you think will win this election? guest: that is a great question and i have no idea. i will tell you one thing -- no one can predict nominations because it is a dependent system. one primary affect another primary. at this point i think there are four contenders that could get biden,ders, buttigieg, and warren. here is my prediction -- i will go way out on a limb on this -- i think we are going to see the first brokered invention in over half a century, not one of these candidates will, to the convention with a commanding lead and we will see a broken convention. even michelle obama could become the nominee. host: we promised we would get

you back in about six months to talk about it then. professor allan lichtman annex, ino david tulsa, oklahoma, on the democrats line. caller: the big winner is at c-span. this is the one network that president trump did not criticize. i think there has been enough evidence and what i have seen, on c-span,atured without commentary from millionaire anchors, that there

needs to be a trial in the senate. let the process work his way up. let the is not guilty, process work its way out. team --coverage of the impeachment inquiry on c-span, c-span, your unfiltered view of inquiry.-- impeachment >> president trump is back in -- united states after his he had a brief meeting -- here is the speech from president trump to the troops on thanksgiving. [interesting conversations -- indistinct conversations]