. >> let's create a world that we are proud to leave behind. because it is our response billy. -- responsibility. >> coming up on "washington journal cominco roll call's editor jason dick will discuss what is next on capitol hill. law temple university professor scott burris directs the center for public health law research. we will discuss the possibility of federal and state officials for keeping residents at home during the outbreak. after that, international association of chiefs of police president steve casstevens will discuss policing during the coronavirus pandemic.

as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: good morning, it is monday , april 6, 2020. the u.s. president warned americans to prepare for a pivotal week, with the surgeon general drawing comparisons to the 1941 pearl harbor attack in the 9/11 terror attacks to describe the dark days likely ahead. this morning we are doing what we always do, opening up our phone lines and letting you talk about it. if you are in the eastern or central time zones, text messagesand this morning, if you would like

to join us that way, the number is 202-748-8003. if you do, please include your name and where you are from. you can get us on twitter@cspanwj and on facebook at facebook.com/c-span. good monday morning, the front page of "usa today" with a picture of surgeon general jerome adams on "meet the press yesterday" when he was asked about of the advice he has given to governors who have not issued stay-at-home orders. say.is what he had to >> i would advise them to follow our 30 days to slow the spread guidelines. iran the department of health and here's what i say to them, here is what i would say to them right now, the next week is going to be our pearl harbor moment, it is going to be our 9/11 moment. it will be the hardest moment for many americans and we really need to understand that if we want to flatten the curve among

everyone has to do there per. doing theircans are part even in states where they have not had a shelter in place order but if you can't give us 30 days, governors, give us what you can so we don't go on the health care system in the next week and then let us reassess that last point. >> at a minimum. >> you have to be rosie the riveter. part.ve to do your host: also yesterday from the white house, the white house task force held a briefing starting at 7:00 p.m. andident trump led off talked about the tough days ahead but also said there is light at the end of the tunnel. the president. >> we see light at the end of the tunnel. things are happening. we are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. hopefully, in the not-too-distant future, we will be very proud of the job we all

did. you can never be happy when so many people are dying, but we are going to be very proud of the job we did to keep the debts down to -- on a death -- to keep the deaths down to an absolute minimum. host: the president yesterday from the white house also at the briefing yesterday, dr. anthony fauci of the n i h, followed up on the president's comments about the light at the in of the tunnel and about what to expect this week. dr. fauci: when you look at the indications that dr. birx and the president were talking about, we see a threatening out of cases, and you don't sue the realization of what that means until two weeks later. right now we are seeing, as we all set correctly, but this is probably going to be a really bad week. that is a reflection of what happened two and a half weeks ago. if we start seeing a flattening or stabilization of cases, what

you are hearing about -- attention light at the end of the tunnel -- doesn't take away from the fact that tomorrow, the next day will look really bad. we always talk about a two and a half week lag. a couple of people asked that question -- it is really not incompatible with what we're saying. with regard to what we tell the american people, what we have been telling them all along, that the only tool or the best will we have is mitigation. we know it worked in other countries and we are seeing how it is working here. so if we really want to make sure that we don't have these kinds of rebounds that we are worried about, it is mitigation, mitigation, mitigation. host: dr. anthony fauci yesterday from the white house. another briefing is scheduled for today, you can also watch about here on c-span. here is a front page of the

"wall street journal." "u.s. braces for a brutal week as the death toll nears 10,000." 9006 hundred 48 americans have died so far from ,oronavirus -- the number 9000 648 americans have died so far from coronavirus. the total recovered, that number has been ticking up as well, over 17,000 at this point. up our phone calls, 202-748-8000 if you are on the eastern and central time zones, 202-748-8001 if you are on the mountain or pacific time zones. first out of ohio, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you today? host: i am doing all right. caller: i am in my 50's and i am wondering, what is going with

this administration? we can't call it republican or this is hysteria. this is the united states of can't we get a respirators and masks and gloves? this is trivial. come on. if you don't have an answer, please don't say anything. but the people who claim to be the ones who are supposed to c.d.c., if at the you will not allow us to talk about it -- i feel from my -- i feel for my grandchildren. i would like to see them grow up some but times are hard enough. i don't have more to say about it. host: how is governor to one -- how is governor dewine doing? caller: at least he was a person

and did what he was supposed to do and tried to save lives. it is the united states of america. are you kidding me? people in china and all these other places, how come there is no coronavirus in north korea? what are they doing that is so great? we just can't get respirators and masks to the people who are supposed to help us? children, old people, middle aged people, even the prime minister in the uk's in the hospital. from the coronavirus. come on. that is all i have to say. host: from ohio to florida. good morning. caller: c-span audience, i just wanted to make some points about -- i think there is a clear

correlation them if you want to look at it that way, between climate disruption perhaps releasing more melted ice, which is causing more water, which is causing more most gators. mosquitoes. these new viruses being the these from the arctic are millions of years torment and coming into contact with species -- millions of years dorm ant. and coming into contact with species. this will be an issue we will have to address while we are trying to research the economy. i think the resurgence of the economy will be built around anticipating what may be looming as a result of the mouse down. i think it has been downplayed by the administration because they have been trying to go back to the fossil free will --

fossil fuel industries that have generated what we are seeing with climate disruption. host: from what you are seeing in florida, do you think people have woken up more to the issue of climate change in the past couple of weeks? caller: no, sir. that is just my opinion. i am an educator and i have been doing at-home services with all types of children, all kinds of income groups, from the wealthy to the low income groups, and i just feel that people are still not quite getting it. life itself is a delicate entity. i think it is based on more things that they want or want to pay attention to. paradigmo change that of thinking.

it has to become survival, spiritual, help your brother. i have been trying to talk about those kinds of things for years. , "run in my shoes ," where i bring about the point that it was going to take something like this to bring us together. host: this is cindy out of norwalk, connecticut, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. just a few points. wanted to,l, i just if everybody is listening, christian care hospital in delaware desperately needs and masks.s -- n95 my daughter is a pulmonary nurse and she has had to reuse her mask for five days. it makes it really hard for her to stay calm and healthy and stay up all night. that being said, we were not prepared for this.

we should have been prepared after 9/11. there is a lot of blame to go around. people want to look back at history. we were not prepared for pearl harbor. it took us six months to gear up to go to war, same with 9/11 and the same with this. so this is a historical brain fart, if you will. if you look throughout history. i don't recall any world leaders seeing this coming and sounding the alarm. said, climate change, i agree with that color. it is also the way we -- i agree with that caller. it is also the way we travel now. i think there needs to be more videoconferencing. i just think that travel aspect of it all -- host: do you think people will travel a lot less after this? caller: for business but not for

pleasure. i'd know -- i know people who travel back-and-forth to china several times a month. i am wondering if it is necessary that we do that. it helps to facilitate the spread of viruses like this. why it was as big of an issue, because travel was not as big as it is now. host: before we go, how is your daughter doing? caller: she is trying to keep her courage up. we have been leaning on our faith a lot. healthy,ung, she is but she does get exposed to heavy viral loads. i feel for her. i am very proud of her. host: our best wishes to her as well. rosanne in san diego, california. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call.

the story from the caller from connecticut was really sad, what is happening to our first responders. it should not the happening. it is a tragedy. what you said yesterday, lots of death. lots of death. that is how he's had it. then i remembered that is actually a hoax. right? toi don't really know what do, because the leadership in this country has completely failed. after hearing the story from the lady who just talked to you about her daughter not being able to have a mask for five days, it is just incredibly sick. trump should be doing something more about it than talking about "lots of death." host: story from "usa today, governors found that they are tested in the extreme. how has governor some done --

governor newsome done? caller: he has been doing really well feared he has been on top of it unlike a lot of other governors. host: thank you. james from new york, good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i am just a little upset with the leadership. again thatory house we have, running our country. it is like a blind bus driver with a bus full of our kids. nobody is doing anything about it. we are just sitting there looking at him every day and rebounding comments. rebound them,to because he repeats everything. he thinks he sounds so good. i am a vietnam vet. 4 the eighth of this month, days after king had gotten assassinated in 1968, i was

drafted. i got bad feet. he said he had pumps in his feet. i'll tell you, my feet are scary, but i went through it. and i am glad. my flag since he has been in office has been upside down, ok? i couldn't believe he went in. the first time i ever heard of trump, he put that skating rink in. he has just been a clown all through. -- let news, the press me tell you, the first time he was interviewed about his opinion about iraq, he answered "uh,, yeah, i -- agree." host: who do you look to for leadership right now? caller: i look for biden. he got gassed. so what? he has been there since the

1970's. he is a clean-cut guy, he is a gy guy, this or that, but every time a situation pops up, he will get the proper fit for that situation. this guy got old friends. let me give you a story -- host: you bring up joe biden. he was also on the sunday shows week"day, on abc's "this talking about not only the coronavirus response, but also what it might mean for the upcoming democratic national convention, saying it might need to be moved. this is joe biden. [video clip] mr. biden: we will have to do a convention, we may have to do a virtual convention. we should be thinking about that right now. the idea of holding a convention will be necessary, but we may not be it were put 30,000 people in one place. that is very possible. let's see where it is.

what we do between now and then will dictate a lot of that as well. my point is i think you just have to follow the science, listen to the experts, listen to the faucis of the world. we have never allowed any crisis , from the civil war straight to we haveemic of 16 -- never let democracy take a second fiddle. we can both have a democracy, and elections, and at the same time, correct and the public health. but i think it is time we start thinking about how we are going to hold elections. whether we will have to spend a lot of time figuring if weather what we do, is it going to be by mail? how are we going to make it available to everybody? and i think that has to be -- host: i know you talk to bernie --

. host: david is joining us this morning from anderson, south carolina. good morning. david, are you with us? you have to stick by your phone and turn down your television if you want to join in in the conversation. it is easier to hear if you turned on the television while you are waiting. patrick from south carolina, hank, good morning. caller: i wanted to chime in on this corona -- i hear a lot of blame this morning going around, blaming this person are that person. i hadn't heard the word china come up in any of the conversations. i think that is where it started. it didn't start from melting ice, i can tell you that. coal killedld -- viruses! [laughter] one person said it started from melting ice on the south pole.

another person chimed in about what -- why we hadn't heard anything from russia or north korea. well, i think the media kind of have something to do with that in russia and north korea. they don't report on it. [laughter] that is why you haven't heard. wake up, people wake up! thank you. int: that was hank south carolina. this is the opinion section of "washington times" this morning, looking at the media and the blame that is going around. "coronavirus now, politics later, please, how the media has covid-19." if you want to read his column, it is on today's "washington times." next caller. caller: i have two points, one generally on the crisis and one on pearl harbor.

i always thought about the confederation and what it was like to live in the country under that document. you live in a nation but you don't have a stable federal government. the federal government has no power and all that states are doing their own thing, there is no stable leadership. i am now getting that experience, because every state has a different covid-19 response. it has led to chaos. and the federal government, because of the president's incompetence, has not addressed that. the government stockpiling mask, it is nonsensical. doing their job. i am lucky to live in new york where i have a governor who is competent. what if i lived in mississippi? the governor yesterday was commemorating the confederacy. is that a constructive use of time right now? host: on the first point, the

mask from the new york times showing -- the map from the "new york times" showing states that have stay-at-home orders, some 311 million americans living in states with stay-at-home orders. we will talk about state powers to impose those orders coming up at 8:30 this morning. scott burris will be joining us from temple university on that topic. go ahead, you had another topic he wanted to bring up. caller: so with the comparison with pearl harbor, nobody knew what was coming. but the government stepped up and had to deal with the aftermath. with this crisis, we absolutely could have predicted it. yesterday, headline "trump administration ended .andemic early warning program we had"a lab in wuhan, china dedicated entirely to testing corona viruses and the federal administration defunded it. they don't value the work of

science and the c.d.c. so i can't blame the president for the development of the virus, but the defunding of an organization that could have protected us, the disregard for repeatedand the attempts to defund the cbc, and then his rhetoric calling it a hoax? not advocating for social distancing? that is why this crisis is so bad. it is a prices that has been borne about because of incompetence at the white house. host: edward out of liverpool, texas, good morning. caller: good morning. i am 68 years old. i live on the gulf coast of texas near galveston island. i wright a motorcycle up and down the coast a lot. -- i ride a motorcycle up and down the coast a lot. at the coast yesterday, i seen

people walking a seawall, tens here and there. the beach was closed by the city, finally. just a few days ago that they finally closed it. then i went to a laporte, texas and they were on the beach but they were not backed up or nothing like that. is, howm worried about come after what i saw last night on msnbc, the documentary with italy, when i saw what they are going through, they are not getting wiped out or anything, but it is spreading so easily that people walking around in the grocery stores and not wearing masks -- i am saying, or obama, i have been doing this i am saying, wow. i have been doing the same thing. why are you not wearing masks if you step outside? why are you wondering around? why aren't you getting some sun close by where you live? it is a little more scarier than what we are getting from our

government when they are saying what is about to happen. they said we are going to get hours in the next week or so. it is starting to pileup, but it is not bad yet. to, my god, what happened those people in italy, i couldn't watch the whole thing. it was really bad. host: speaking of news from overseas, one of our colors this up this morning. prime minister boris johnson is testing positive for coronavirus 10 days ago, that is the news out of london and this is a story from the "new york times ," mr. johnson had been in isolation in his apartment next door to 10 downing street where he was running a temperature. his aides said they expected him to finish his sofa solution on friday but he still looked visibly weakened when he made a statement in a video list last week. advice of ahe doctor, mr. johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests.

this is a precautionary step as the prime minister continues to have symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive for the virus." thestory noting that british foreign secretary dominic rob is expected to lead cabinet meetings on the pandemic today and of the government's succession plan. he would take up mr. johnson's duties if he became incapacitated. that is from the "new york times." some of our viewers also tweeting about this this morning -- queen elizabeth of england delivering a historic address on sunday, acknowledging the challenges brought by the coronavirus. aside from her annual christmas speeches, it was only the fourth time since her reign began on 1952 that she addressed this. is queen elizabeth from her

address yesterday. [video clip] >> i am speaking to you at what i know is an increasingly challenging time. a time of this option in the life of our country. a disruption that has brought grief to some, financial difficulties to many, and enormous changes to the daily life of us all. thent to flank everyone on nhs -- i want to thank everyone on the nhs frontline as well as health care workers and those carrying out a social roles who selflessly continue their day-to-day duties outside the home in support of us all. i am sure the nation will join me in assuring you that what you do is appreciated, and every hour of your hard work brings us closer to a return to more normal times. i also want to thank those of you who are staying at home, and helping to protect the

vulnerable, and sparing many families the pain already felt by those who have lost loved ones. together, we are tackling these disease that this disease, and a want to assure you that if we remain united and resolute, we will overcome it. i hope the years to come, everyone will be able to take pride in how they responded to this challenge. and those who come after us will say the britons of this generation were as strong as any. with the attributes of self-discipline, "it, good-humored results, and fellow feeling still characterizes this country. pride in who we are is not part of our past, it defines our present in our future. [applause] [cheers] >> the moment when the united kingdom has come together to

applaud its essential workers and care workers will be remembered as an expression of our national spirit and its symbol will be the rainbows drawn by children. across the commonwealth and around the world, we have seen heartwarming stories of people coming together to help others. be it through delivering for parcels and medicines, checking on neighbors, or converting businesses to help the relief effort. -- those self isolating me although self isolating may at many people are discovering that it presents an down, pauseto slow and reflect in prayer or meditation. it reminds me of the very first brought cap i made -- broadcast i made in 1940.

we as children spoke from here at windsor to children who had been elected from their homes and sent away for their own safety. , many will again feel a painful sense of separation from their loved ones. but now as then, we know deep down that it is the right thing to do. while we have faced challenges before, this one is different. time we join with all nations across the globe in a endeavor using our instinctive compassion to heal. we will succeed, and that success will belong to everyone of us. we should take comfort that while we may have more still to endure, better days will return. we will be with our friends again.

we will be with our families again. we will meet again. but for now, i send my thanks and warmest good wishes to all. host: the queen of england yesterday, just after 7:30 on the east coast. the phone lines are open to you this morning. the headline from most of the major newspapers this morning, coming from the surgeon general's statement yesterday, " brace for our pearl harbor moment." this week that it will be the deadliest week yet when it comes. to the coronavirus pandemic on the use of the pearl harbor term, comments from social media -- from facebook, "hope for the best, prepare for the worst. we know it is coming. no surprise." "with a sneak attack against the country, that pandemic has been a bungled response to a national

emergency." this from bobby saying, if they likeoing to use a term "pearl harbor" we better see more deaths than influenza." from another viewer, "what in the world is wrong with him? we gain nothing from punching the panic button." from michael in portland -- "a pearl harbor moment, the decline in leadership in our country, hopefully covid-19 will help to partisan chasm that has been opening up in this country." 202-748-8000 if you are in the eastern and central time zones, 202-748-8001 if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones and if you are texting, 202-748-8003. caller: he has not shut anything down for us. people are going to church, they

are shopping, some of them are working. he waits for the press to tell him what to do. we have nobody in washington, d.c. to do anything for us. one thing i wanted to say is, the president is campaigning on "60 minutes," on -- every time when the news comes on and we listen to him, he is campaigning. that is what he is doing. on people's dead bodies. that is all i have to say. host: when it comes to missouri, you talk about the stay-at-home orders in your state. resident in kansas city, st. louis were among those under instructions to stay at home for your governor, mike parson issued a statewide order now in effect. he had previously rejected that step but issued the order to "stay ahead of the battle." the stay-at-home order as of today in missouri. this from mary in oklahoma, good

morning. caller: we haven't had any testing here at all. so we don't know who has it and who doesn't. host: and how are you dealing with that, mary? mary: i am sitting in my house. host: how often do you go out, mary? caller: not at all. when do you think you will go out again, mary? caller: not until it is over. guy lets my dog out. the people, neighbors -- on

facebook at home. host: marry in cushing, oklahoma this morning. amber is in new york, good morning. caller: hello. work onme from disability when this happened. happenedverything has before, it is criticism enough and done. here in montour falls, it used to be havana. came up and annihilated the trade,people to promote which were a thriving people. madame sacho was the head of the tribe. she stood her ground.

they killed her and ripped her daughter. i think we have got an alternative -- taxes started to pay back for that. i pay taxes here in mantra falls in new york. it is not flat up here. we have been sick for months, ok? we don't get any help, we can't get tests. it is nothing here. upstate new york is on fire. ok? anyway, i think we have an alternative at least on the sullivan trail, get out in the woods, and if anybody wants to go out and die in the woods or be cremated and not have to listen to the tv anymore and make somebody a horsefly instead of a daily chore to listen to, i think we should all separate, go out to the state lands, almost like far and away. in texas, they have public lands

people can go to. they have public bathrooms and a shower. if you don't want to do in the hospital, you can at least go to the state land and die there, you know. host: that was amber in new york. timothy from rosedale, michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. the way i see it, it is so suspicious that the president said he won't use no masks but then he said there is a wave of coronavirus headed our way. you have these republicans not instructing their people to stay at home, giving mixed messages. either tellhat people straight up what is going on or don't do it at all. the way i feel, the 25th amendment is --the time to do this is now. thank you. host: luiz from fredericksburg,

virginia. er next. good morning. .- you are next good morning. --orter: i have no objection caller: i have no objection to him calling a pearl harbor. but i also want to talk about management. when the governor of new york said on march 10 that it is just like a cold, like a little flow, that is on march 10 -- like a .ittle flu that was march 10. and here he is acting like all of a sudden, he is in charge of everything. that is the worst-managed state in the country. look at the difference between that and california. i mean, people in new york, if you don't wake up and see what ,our government does for you your state government does for you, this is an opportunity for americans to actually see what their governors are capable of

doing. doinghow is your governor in the commonwealth? caller: we shut down a couple of weeks ago, that west virginia shutdown way before that. i am originally from west virginia, so i know about west virginia and about washington state, i have lived here 17 years. i mean, i know about a lot. in oklahoma, they have competent government. in kansas, they have competent government. there is places where they have competent government, and in new york, it is not one of them. host: what makes for competent government? caller: somebody that can manage things just like president trump is doing. he's got the best people, and he is on top of it. incidentally, people, everything is made in china. maybe that is the reason we don't have and 95 masks -- we cases.ave n95

i think the book generation is not quite woke best i think the you better wake up. i think the woke generation is not quite woke. host: the impact on the agriculture and food supply chains, this story is from the money section of "usa today" about farmers dumping their milk as the virus slams the milk industry. a lead from that story about 7:00 tuesday night -- golden e there he got the call that farmers are being asked to dump 25,000 gallons of fresh milk a day because there is no place for it to go because the market of dairy product has been gutted . an hour later, the family-run farm near west bend, wisconsin opened up its spigots and started fleshing milk into its wastewater lagoon, two hundred 20,000 pounds a day through next

monday. the story notes are seeing processing plants close or curb their production, forcing them to dump their milk down the drain if there is no buyer. again, there are pictures of the milk gushing down the drain. if you want to read that story, it is on the "usa today." about: i think that talk pearl harbor was just an example where the girl was trying to show people that there would be a lot of death coming. i don't think he meant that the early, like this is going to be like pearl harbor. i don't think he meant about. the other thing i wanted to say was, people are not watching china. america has 320 or so million people here in this country. , from what i can remember, 2 billion or 3 billion people in china.

now, about six months ago, china started putting the us three months ago or six months ago, china started putting journalists out of china. so nobody knows how many coronavirus things china has going on, because if you notice at a certain point, china just stopped reporting anything that went on in china. sayother thing i wanted to about new york, new york has the worst record. at the same time, the media keep putting the governor of new york on, and all he is doing is sitting there talking and running his big mouth instead of trying to deal with what new york is dealing with. they have the worst record of all. they have the worst record in the united states of america when it comes to this coronavirus. at the same time, the media is trying to make him out to be a

hero. why is he not dealing with the issues in new york is said of sitting up on tv every day? that is the question i have. host: a couple of stories out of new york. new york getting 1000 ventilators from china to aid in virus.tle against the according to the governor, another 500 machines will be moved from upstate new york to downstate hospitals being hit hardest. oregon also sending 140 ventilators to new york where thousands of new infections have been confirmed daily there. when it comes to the federal york, secretary of defense mark esper said yesterday that the pentagon will deploy more than 1100 doctors, nurses and medical professionals to new york city to help combat the pandemic. more than 2002 hundred 50 of approximately 9000 u.s. deaths occurred in new york city. the governor converted the

javits convention center into what would be the largest hospital in the united states. personnel thealth board to new york city will serve in the converted center, which will have a 25 hundred-bed capacity. from burlington, north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i don't think this is like pearl harbor as far as the comparison is concerned, because we didn't know that pearl harbor was going to happen. me, the lastngers making horrible statements about the governor of new york, andrew cuomo -- he is sitting on tv to tell the people of new york what is going on and what he means. trump comes out every day and does that, too, so i don't know why they are saying such

horrible things about him. watch briefings when they happen? caller: i watch cuomo, i can't stand to watch donald trump. host: the briefings, it is not just president trump who speaks at those briefings, last night it was a secretary of veterans affairs, dr. fauci spoke -- caller: i know. host: do you feel the same way about all those people who speak at the briefings? caller: no, no, not at all. i just don't want to hear him talk. andtually go to the website i listen to our governor in north carolina to know what is going on. fauci onstened to dr. other stations when he has been on. on, am up on what is going

so i was just angered by the last two people who were making comments, derogatory comments about some of the governor's, and they happen to be democratic governors. and what i think they are failing to understand is that thep got these -- got warning of this way before we knew what was going on. he gets the most information that can possibly be gotten in government. he knew this was coming. and he ignored it. look what he said in february, up until three weeks ago, he was downplaying it. host: that was pam in north carolina. go to horseshoe, north carolina. samantha, good morning. caller: good morning.

host: how is north carolina doing today? caller: a little bit cold, but it is nice. at least the sun is out. i have a few questions -- how do we know all these numbers coming out of all of these efforts states, how do we know these numbers are right question mark of all these people who supposedly have coronavirus? ,nd people die in the military we don't have anything but what the media and the news is telling us. after everything we have it through the last few years, between the mueller report and impeachment, now this. next? wonder, what is this is not going to take us all the way up to the election. something else will have to come up between now and november. it is such a coincidence that this comes up in an election year, and we don't have any proof that these numbers are true that are being put on tv because we have no place to check them out. i just think we need to have some proof.

where are all the hospitals? what is the list of the names of people who have died so you can look up their obituaries? we just sit back and believe everything on tv, everything the news puts on there is not true. i am sure it is not true. we know that from the past. we don't have any proof that what is being told to us is true. host: samantha, the numbers are coming from the government as well as the centers for disease control, and the reporting -- caller: how do we know they are true? hundreds of thousands they are talking about -- how do we know these numbers are true? host: what would prove it to you? caller: give us a list of names to read some way for us to try to validate some of this information on our own. if we feel it is true or not, to say that. host: samantha, how do you go about validating information, what sources do you trust? caller: put the names out there.

just like in the military when you go to washington and you see the list of names of april have died in the wars and stuff. how are they verifying the debts? who is giving them the numbers? just people in hospital be putting the numbers? i mean, how are these numbers coming out? post them and samantha in south carolina. , that was samantha in south carolina. caller: good morning. i am listening to all these comments. how about if we all work about whatd forget party we belong to. the second thing is that, it was not a big deal. why is everybody blaming president trump? and we have a governor, he is a republican, and he is an awesome governor. governor abbott. he has been following everything that the president -- we have a

mayor who is a democrat. and they are all working together. the mayor has followed every step that the governor has asked. this is how it is supposed to be done. texas is doing well. texas is doing well. the people heeding the warning, they are doing well. they are working together. was charlotte out of houston, texas. we want to come back to the previous caller. this is the map you most often see, this is the coronavirus dashboard that johns hopkins university has put up. a number that we often refer to, the 337,000, almost 238,000 confirmed cases in the u.s. and total deaths at this point at .653 that color was asking about sources when it comes to the data on that map.

and the other data reported by the news. johns hopkins has their data sources include the w.h.o., the c.d.c., the european center for disease prevention and control, the national health commission of the people's republic of china, 1.3 acres, world leaders local medias, reports, and one of the world's largest online committees for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacists and facilities. that is ready are going for information, not just for confirmed deaths in the united states but also elsewhere around the world. coronavirus.jhu., and that is what you have been seeing. edu james from massachusetts, good morning. caller: good morning.

i have been listening and i am disheartened about what the people are saying about the president. i would like to address the kid in new york who was such an expert on what the president has done. is best inople that nephew that is in procurement for the government. and i am told that when they went to get supplies, there was nothing. was broken or rerouted. that is not the trump's problem thedoing that, that is administer some before trump, when they had stuff in the warehouse but had a next duration date of 2010. that is not trump. now that is why we have to get our own respirators and build respirators. now to the lady from north carolina who is defending governor cuomo so much.

governor cuomo spent more than $800 million between the light bulb fault -- light bulb factory and solar panels and did not update anything in those hospitals in new york. you can't blame trump for that, it started in 2015. i read an article of the other day by tim morrison about the group inhe pandemic the c.d.c. 4 protocols since then on how to handle what is going on in the country. and he -- and trump has increased the funding to the c.d.c. before this happened. i just wish people would calm down.

by the way, i am a democrat. i have been a democrat my whole life. just calm down and you're reading and don't take your biased side, and see what is going on around here instead of acting like damn full. host: you watch every day. is ofer what your take the average tone of all the callers as you have been listening to folks here. as this has unfolded. you are calling for calm. i wonder what your general take case. caller: that is what i am saying. you are sitting here hearing trump, trump, trump. the place,ll over you can't find a positive article on anything he has done because this is the media. the entire situation. they said he said it was a hoax. he did not say it was a hoax.

he said this would give a new to the democrats would use beat him to death for little picky crap that was going on. he believed it was a pandemic. he stopped the chinese from coming in here. when they went to china to check the protocols and check what was going on to get a handle on this, china would not let them in. so now you say, they waited for what happened. host: that was james from massachusetts. time for a few more calls in this segment of "washington journal." kim in iowa. good morning. caller: i just don't understand why i have heard all these callers, and one lady was talking about the names of the people that died. hipaa law,w the

first of all question mark and she days to tell the families how they feel, if their parent or sister or brother died. have never heard no delusional stuff like this in my life. and if donald trump is true of what he said, i don't think people know he is really the president. they think he is a normal person that is probably the ruler of the world. i don't know what they're delusional life is about. it is a fifth-grade attitude. this man is the president. they got the information in december. december! and did not let us know. so i don't understand why these people is still not telling that the president is wrong of what he has done. host: that was came in iowa this morning. a story following up on what we talked about last week, the

captain who was removed last week of command of the uss carrier theodore roosevelt. the headline -- navy captain over theer dissent ship's conditions amid the coronavirus is not sick himself. he was in quarantine in guam, dealing with a dry, raspy cough, according to people who know him. the story noting that the efforts to get the sailors who had been screened off the carrier, at least 400 sailors have tested negative from the coronavirus and are expected to be sent to hotels, joining others who had already tested positive. that is the captain who was concerned about coronavirus spreading in his crew, when he wrote a letter that ended up finding its way to newspapers and was later let go. this story in the "washington post" a call them speaking to about relieving

the captain of his command. this is how david ignatius starts the column, quoting from his interview with the navy secretary, in an extensive interview about the firing of the disease-turned aircraft carrier, he said he acted because he believed the captain was panicking under pressure and wanted to make a move himself, before president trump ordered captain's dismissal. quote", i didn't want to get into a decision where the president had to intervene. ", if i were president and i saw the commanding officer of a ship exercising poor judgment, i would be asking where the leadership of the navy wasn't taking action itself." if you would like to read more about david ignatius's phone calls with the navy secretary on the topic, it is in today's post."gton

by the way, the topic of relieving of captain crozier from command came up yesterday. joe biden asked about that. this is what he had to say about the cap in's dismissal. mr. biden: i think it is close to criminal do with a are dealing with this guy. not his conduct. the idea that this man stood up and said what had to be said, got it out that his troops, his navy personnel were in danger. look how many have the virus. i think the guy should have a commendation rather than be fired. abc's "thisden on week" yesterday. plenty more today. tony is in evansville, iowa. good morning. caller: good morning. we know that trump is a habitual liar. the fact that we keep acting like we don't know it is a

shame. trump'sing excuses for already doings. thank you. host: tony will be our last caller for this segment. bynext, we will be joined "roll call" newspaper deputy editor jason dichter discuss what is next for the coronavirus response on capitol hill. later, scott burris joins us to discuss the authority that federal and state officials have in enforcing quarantines and curfews and other restrictions of movement in their states. stick around. we will be right back. ♪ c-span has round-the-clock coverage of the federal response to the core pandemic, and it is all available on demand at c-span.org/coronavirus. watch white house briefings, updates from governors and state officials, tractors the spread throughout the u.s. and the world with interactive maps,

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for coronavirus response on capitol hill, we are joined via zoom by jason dick from roll call. we found out this weekend that speaker pelosi once fourth stimulus bill moved in a matter of weeks on capitol hill. how has that been received by the white house, republican leaders in the senate? guest: so, they have been talking about a fourth stimulus bit, andor a little trading ideas about what might be in such a package. even mitch mcconnell, who was typically one of nancy pelosi's antagonists, said before they passed the third stimulus that they were going to need a fourth one. , mccarthy and mcconnell have said, we want to thatow this third package

they passed recently and the president signed late in march, see how it is being of lemonade. but right off the bat, we are been -- we have been hearing from small businesses that almost $350 billion in the last stimulus is not enough to keep them afloat. anyone from restaurants to bookstores to anything like that, you know, blood difficulty making payroll and paying pipo's insurance and so forth -- and paying people's insurance and so forth, so they say they need to double that in the next stimulus. the speaker floated ideas last week with her own colleagues about whether or not they wanted to do a stimulus -- an infrastructure package in this neck stimulus package. the president himself said we should go big and spend up to $2 trillion of infrastructure. infrastructure is one of those things that gets brought up every once in a while, and has

become a signal that we will have a weird week. it seemed like the president wanted to do it on a speaker wanted to do it. the republican said, let's focus on health care workers and some of those things. right now, the speaker sent on a letter over the weekend in which she set the next round be focused on small businesses and health-care workers, in particular, so it is still taking shape. both chambers of congress said they won't be back here until april 20, unless something extraordinary requires them to be back in washington. they got a little bit of time to trade these things back and forth. host: a story from roll call some of the leverage and lobbying efforts. lindsey mcpherson, one of your the state request more assistance, probably the biggest leverage for a stage

four stimulus, according to pelosi. talk to us about what governors and mayors are doing and the bottom up lobbying campaign here. guest: because the president and his task force are doing these great things every day, talking about cdc guidelines, it seems like they are the ones directing most of the response, and that is simply not true. mayors, governors, county executives -- these other the people directing responses, including from the national guard. you know? it is governors activating their ational guards to serve these testing sites in hospitals and so forth. members of congress have responded to that. they are quickly running out of money. a lot of states and cities cannot run extended testing the way the federal government can. they will need help pretty quickly. if they see first

responders get sick and they have to do it particularly in public hospitals and areas on the front lines. cities like new york obviously have been at the epicenter of this, and we have seen the kind of response that andrew cuomo, the governor of new york, has coordinated, for not just his city, new york city, but the rest of the state, too. distinct these two regions, of state and the city, but he has to coordinate all of this stuff at once in the middle of it, being at the epicenter. same thing with new jersey. so these governors and mayors were dealing with quarantine and sort of lockdowns and so forth, they are the ones who are going to pressure congress and the white house the most. host: jason dick joining us from his home. covering it all for capitol hill

for roll call. can gol.com is where you to see all of his work. we found out last week that nancy pelosi wants and select committee overseeing coronavirus response. it would be headed -- she wants my congressman james clyburn of south carolina. charisma cliburn was on state of the union yesterday and talked about the roll -- james clyburn was on state of the union yesterday and talked about this. >> this committee will be four to-looking. we will not be looking back -- forward -- this committee will be forward looking. we will not be looking back. the american people are now out of work. millions are out of work. the question is whether or not the money appropriated will go to support them and their families, or this money end up in the pockets of a few

profiteers? that is what i understand we are to do. patterning this -- i spent the weekend looking deeply into this committee and what has happened since march 1, 1941, when it will stood up and stayed up for five years, and was proved to be very, very successful, and i am trying to base my work on this committee on the history -- with the work of that committee. host: james clyburn on cnn yesterday. what does it take for committee like that to get up and running, and what is been the reaction since nancy pelosi unveiled the program last week? from thee reaction leadership -- one of the reasons nancy pelosi one jim clyburn to lead the committee is he is one of the people who commands a lot of mutual respect. have beenpublicans skeptical about the need for a select committee to look into

pandemics and stimulus spending. as jim clyburn was saying on cnn, he also spoke on a special report podcast on friday. he said this is about making sure that people spend this money wisely. not just taxpayer money expenses. this could be the differs between life and death for people. we model this or the truman committee over world war ii. kevin mccarthy and other republicans have said, they don't think this is necessary and it seems redundant. there is oversight authorities that are baked into the last stimulus package in phase three. that is, including -- that is including a special inspector general for the spinning that the president has nominated. for the spending that the president -- the spinning that the president has nominated.

spending that the president has nominated. there to be redundancies. i asked the majority whip about this. he said that you got to remember, the day the president signed the legislation, he issued a signing statement that said, he was going to feel free to ignore some of those oversight requirements, such as the inspector general sharing with congress. consistentt of a conflict between administration and congress, and i think it seems what nancy pelosi and democrats want is that they want to be able to say, no. when the president doesn't let the, inc. drive on the bill -- let the spell smart -- when the president doesn't let the ink dry, they want to make sure the money is being spent wisely on the people who needed them most.

it has, to typical partisanship, but that feels like a partisan reaction. i believe this will get through. you do need a vote to stand up a committee. that being said, they will not be back until april 20 in the house and senate. will get its way like with the stimulus spending. it seems like a long time ago. it was only last week or two weeks ago, not quite two weeks ago, that the house loaded -- the house voted. one of the members did not want to use unanimous consent to pass that third package. they will eventually get this, but they do need to vote on it, but that does not mean some of the groundwork cannot be started, and i am thinking the speaker has plenty of ideas about how to start some of that. host: jason dick to take your

phone calls via zoom this morning. that is how he is joining us, and you can maybe ask about some of the bugs -- some of the books on the crowded shelf behind them. you can in time zones, 202-748-8000. mountain or pacific time zones, 202-748-8001. donald from michigan, go ahead. goder: good morning, and bless everyone on the front lines battling this covid-19 disease. thank you all. i would like to say to these inublican callers, calling donald trump has done a good job on this corona. you have your head in the sand. he had three knots back in .anuary he did nothing. one more thing i would like to that you in symptoms

are now central amount time. i don't like that. you need to get back to the republicans and democrats and independents line. one more quick thing. on donald trump's bills, it amazes me how republicans never 1% any tax breaks for the that they did not get the passes, but we got legislation for the working poor and people trying to survive through the epidemic, they want debate, debate, debate. let's get this country back going and get rid of donald trump in 2020. god bless them america. host: that is donald in michigan. i will take the comment on the phone lines. jason dick, what would you like to say? guest: the way the debate is taking place, with the last stimulus package, there were

enough negotiations going on behind the scenes that that is where the debate was really happening, which is frequently done, but it also produced, you know, overwhelming margins of approval. and in thesenate house, they were able to use a voice vote to pass a, so it seems like -- vote to pass it, so it seems like times are top are these are difficult times we are going through -- so see like times are tough. these are difficult times we are going through. this is an institution that has difficulty passing spending bill sometimes, and has for decades. so, to appropriate more than $2 trillion in a matter of weeks is a really big deal. yet i -- yet there are things they will need to fix with the stimulus packages, but the fact they are full steam ahead in

working on this, something that i have not seen in a long time, certainly, if you go back to 9/11, and some other responses, and even then, we're talking about the effect this pandemic it has been having that they're trying to address. host: this is john from iowa. good morning. guest: good morning. host: go ahead, john. you are on was jason dick. guest: i have two questions. the first one is, if president trump isn't going to make a federal mandate on this order, you know, to stay indoors, why isldn't andrew cuomo, who the governor of new york city, make it something in that situation where he could make the hospital's a biohazard zone so people can reuse reusable ppe instead of using the stuff i'm throwing it away? why can't they be in those

biohazard suits with changeable filters, and can save these doctors and nurses' lives so we don't have a shortfall of doctors and nurses after this pandemic? , before jason dick jump sampodria wanted to let you know, what you're talking about dicktopic -- before jason jumps on my wanted to let you know that we will be tub about a topic about those zones. we will be joined by scott burris from temple university specifically on that topic, but jason dick, if there is anything you want to jump in on or congressional angle? version think the first they see with people saying, why can't they do more for these quarantined zone? i don't know emergency power things. one of the issues we are dealing

with with hospitals is they are being overwhelmed by covid-19, but people are still having to come to the hospitals for other reasons. if you create these biohazard hospitals, it might prevent people who have gotten into a car accident, or got a heart attack or something likeated to coronavirus, you may impede their ability to get there. ships,y these two naval one to new york, from los angeles have opened up because those hospital ships are designed to deal with people who are not infected with coronavirus. but it is difficult to stillness up as quickly as they are doing. host: when it comes to trying to keep people from gathering together, how close are we to remote voting in that building behind me?

is one chamber closer to that happening than the other? guest: no. it doesn't seem like it. minutesajority leader -- mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi both same really opposed -- both seemed very opposed. she had her rules committee chairman, jim mcgovern study the issue and came up with several options that would allow them to vote. none of them included doing what we are doing right now, where people would zoom in or do a google hang out, and signal their vote at a clerk would record it. it seems like the speaker is really trying to avoid going into these remote voting things. their constitutional issues. -- there are constitutional issues. mcconnell has an easier time dealing with the social distance issues with only 100 senators,

but it is difficult. he could get people in and out of his chamber a lot faster and safer than 435 people in the house. but it doesn't seem like we are anywhere close, even though it is becoming essential way she --re they may need to, and even though it is becoming a situation where they need to. we are dealing with an issue that we should have been prepared for. we are not, but that does not mean we cannot be prepared going forward. host: westport, massachusetts. this is greg. good morning. caller: cover you doing? -- how are you doing? what the democrats are doing in congress, why don't you tell the american people the reason why they are not there is because they are on a vacation-paid holiday? a taxpayer-paid holiday.

that is why they are not there because they are on vacation again. host: jason dick, want to talk about what members are doing right now? guest: members have left washington. they are on an extended recess. i would not quibble with the idea of this is a vacation when members are not in washington, they're dealing with constituents and issues that come up and issues that come up in their state as well. most members of congress, when they are not in washington, they are still working with local officials, working with constituents. i would respectfully disagree that it is a taxpayer-funded vacation. it is also a matter of where do you want members of congress in this sort of emergency? do you want them all in one home at the capital, or at where they can be more into other people they represent? dealing an issue with -- everybody is working remotely in washington.

members of congress are arguably more at risk of contracting the virus and spreading it, particularly if they keep their staff there. the white house is a little withrent, much smaller fewer people who work in the white house than in the capital, which is why you see the president and his briefing room every day, but they are being careful with about who gets into the gates of the white house. they are doing to protect for every person who comes to work in that setting. there are fewer reporters even allowed into the briefing room because they need to respect social distance. uniquein an incredibly time, and i am the first one to sort of, you know, kinda be skeptical about congress when they say they are working hard on something, but in this case, to the evidence is, they are,

and it is also important to point out, too, the democrats only control one chamber, the house. the republicans are in charge of the senate, but they are both out of town. to thebeen dashed caller's point, -- to the caller's point it was a decision by both parties. host: roll call is one of the news organizations that is usually in those briefings when everyone is allowed in the briefing room. in this new rotation, how often do you get your reporter in the room? guest: we are in there once a week or once every nine days, depending on the rotation and who else is showing up. share a seat-- we with the regional reporters. ity have their own pool, so depends on where they are in the rotation. it is been more often because they have been doing a briefing every day now, including saturdays and sundays. we have been showing up more.

we were there on thursday. our next showing his thursday or friday. host: what you have tried to do is not only covering the story of coronavirus, but covering the coverage of the story of coronavirus. this being a different moment in journalism. kids talk through that a little bit? -- can you talk through that a little bit? guest: one of the things we cover in the hall of the congress is how the place runs, right? one of the ways the place runs is through this in a sergeant at arms in the house sergeant at arms and the chief administrative officers. you know, this is where we get our workspace. those offices are the one to help coordinate where the press can go, what the rules of engagement with the present members of congress are. through withwent the white house particles are for press coverage. it is different in congress, and i think that shows what the

nature of the institution itself. there isn't a formalized system of keeping people away from the capital, or temperature checks or things like that. one of the things that we have been interested in and covering it is how we make sure people are safe? how do we make sure things are covered, but people are also not at risk of contracting the virus? and so, we have covered -- excuse me -- we have covered how the sergeant at arms and the chief administrative officer governs where we can go, and the interaction between members of the press and those institutions . it has been interesting, like the way we had been on capitol hill is -- on capitol hill and the way we have covered it is to minimize risk we put a reporters and ourselves in. we have started these informal pools. it is not so institutionalized

in congress. so are cooperating in a way that they really do. -- in no way they really do on capitol hill -- people are cooperating in a way that they rarely do on capitol hill. you know that, john. people are competing and they have a different piece of the puzzle. in this case, people are sharing information with their colleagues. one of my colleagues you mentioned earlier, linda mcpherson, she and another colleague were in the house chamber when the house was debating that their stimulus package. what they did was they came up with a spreadsheet of members who were present and in the chamber, or around, and they shared that with their colleagues. that is normally -- that would be something -- align host: cannot just roll call colleague? guest: not just roll call colleagues. they were sharing them with all of our colleagues.

you know, this was heartening to see people concerned about each other's safety and concern about each other's ability to do their jobs. -- ability to do their jobs in a really stressful situation. that is one of those stories -- there are a lot of stories going on, a lot of big stories going on right now. i think it is important to reflect on how we get this information, what are the risks, and what are the things we are gaining, too. host: two minutes left with jason did from roll call. dena from st. louis, missouri and thanks for waiting. caller: hi. about the after action to this whole thing. i think it is vitally important that we take advantage of this opportunity as americans to communicate with our congress

people, representatives, and ourselves about how fragile our economy is set up the way it is. we have people who are considered to be central workers , working in grocery stores, who historically have been paid minimum wage or less with no theth care, but service-oriented economy that we thatoped has proven itself -- proven itself to be fragile because what happens when the servers can't serve? what happens when these people get laid off within 24 hours of a furlough and the congressional responses, oh, let's funnel money to debate on how much the truly working poor, and the less than people working even closer

from paycheck-to-paycheck are going to survive for two weeks? people started panicking within a week of this, and our congressmen and elected officials, and those who we put helpsponsibility to have the fairest concept of the struggle we are having. host: jason dick, the response coming just days after the new jobs' numbers, showing 700,000 americans -- less americans had a job last month in the day before, and that is only the beginning of the impacts. the jobless rate climbing to 4.1% on friday. guest: this is one of those us to thet will shake

foundation, and the caller makes a good point. people who typically we may not have thought about that much previously -- the person checking out of the grocery store, or the person, you know, serving you food at a restaurant -- they are on the front lines of this, and it is very difficult to not think about the risk they are facing financially from a health perspective. we are still at the beginning of this, and you know, the public policy -- i guess will continue to be shaped for years to come in the fallout from this. the administration has said people uninsured and treated at hospitals -- the hospitals will reimburse using medicare some peoplehich for

have said, what does that sound like? that sounds like medicare for all. that was is where non-starter in the presidential campaign isently, and now, it becoming de facto policy for treating the uninsured. this is going to continue to shake out in ways that we will have difficulty contemplating at this point. of society is in for a lot twists and turns. host: last call, london, brentwood, tennessee, you are on with jason dick of roll call. stimuluses on this new package that nancy pelosi is going to put forward. the hr 5383. that is nothing to do with the american citizens. the new way forward act. host: what is your concern about it, linda, for some who are not estimator with the legislation? caller: my concern is that this

packages for illegals. countryillegals in this is just that, illegal. host: jason dick? do you want to follow up with that debate on capitol hill? guest: some of the emigration aspects, and i am not familiar with that specific piece of legislation the caller referred to, but for seasonal workers, and the to agriculture food we are eating, farmers and agricultural aspects, they really do the, seasonal workers, and there is some pressure, particularly from big agriculture big messes and the chamber of commerce, to make sure that farms have the kind of workers to put food on the table. host: the caller is in love. hrording to congress.gov,

5383 is sponsored by a congressman who will be joining us by phone and about 45 minutes this morning. i will certainly follow up with the caller and ask the congressman about his new way forward act. jason dick of roll call newspaper, thank you so much for your time. stay safe. up next um "washington journal," we will be joined by temple universities scott burris -- temple university's scott burris to talk about enforcing quarantines and curfews and other movement restrictions in states. later, international association of chiefs of police steve casstevens discusses policing during the coronavirus pandemic would've first, here is -- coronavirus pandemic, but first, here is the governor of new york talking about the numbers of

cases and deaths in recent days. >> the number of deaths is up. that is the bad news. is 4159. and we pray for each and every one of them and their families. that is up and that is the worst news. deaths overer of the past few days has been dropping for the first time. what is the significance of that? it is too early to tell. , butis the impact by state blipsaid, the interesting a hopefulthe data, or beginning of the shift in the data in the number of cases.

the total number of new hospitalizations is 574, which is obviously much lower than previous numbers. that is partially a function of ,ore people being discharged icuu.c., icu -- but admissions are down, the daily integrations down slightly from where it was. you cannot do this day-to-day. you have to look at three or four days to see a pattern. discharge -- the discharge rate is way up, and that is great news. and the statewide balance of cases has been relatively stable for the past few days. there is a shift to long island, upstate new york is basically grows,nd as long island

the percentage of cases in new york city has reduced. lookis for the people who at this data, there is that you have all these projection models , and and what has been infuriating to me is that the models are so different that is hard to plan when these models shift all the time, but there is also a difference of opinion on what happens at the apex, right? -- the model say you go up all the models say you go up, then down, and then there is a pointence, is the apex a or a plateau? in other words, do you go up, hit the high, and immediately dropped, or do you go up, and then there is a plateau, where the number of cases stays high for period of time, and then drops? there is a difference of opinion. of thathave to think

you think about what you're seeing in the numbers because you could argue that you are seeing a slight plateauing in the data, which obviously would be good news because it means you plateau for period of time, and then you start to come down. >> "washington journal" continues. host: scott burris joins us from philadelphia, serving at temple university's research. some 300 andris, $11 million -- some 311 million people living under stay-at-home orders in their states. do these -- are the stay-at-home orders created equal, or are more restrictive than others? guest: while, they are getting to look a lot like each other -- well, they are getting to look a lot like each other. i think the trend is basically, you stay at home, your kids

don't go to school, your universities are closed, you can go out for exercise, but you so have to social-distance during that time. playgrounds are closed, team sports armband. you can go to the -- team sports are banned. you can go to the grocery store. you can go to the gun shop. gas stations are open, pharmacies are don't try to get your hair done. as they say, gray is the new blonde. host: what would be the difference between a national stay-at-home order versus all of order,tes stay-at-home obviously filling in the gaps on this map from "the new york times," would shows the state and white they do not -- which the states in white they do not have stay-at-home orders. guest: of course, we would be uniform. we as extent,

policymakers, planners, and citizens think, we should all just shut down for a month and get it over with. to the extent you can get it over with, you know, you can say we are all doing it. on the other hand, it could potentially raise legal issues because it is not clear as a legal matter that the federal government can order everybody to stay-at-home. that kind of control of movement , that quarantine within states has traditionally been a state matter. in some states, it is also delegated locally. and you know, for every argument about uniformity, there is an differ, andt places it makes sense to adjust conditions as necessary and appropriate. i think the problem that your question begs is do we have a national plan? fundamentally, nobody gets coronavirus in the united states.

iowaget it in chicago or or in a place. right? the role of the federal government is to make a plan that all those places can follow. and that is where i think we feel the pain right now. we just don't necessarily have a real clear plan coming out of the federal government. host: when it comes to the stay-at-home orders in those owners are there store and groups challenging these orders in states, and how has those challenges been dealt with with the judicial systems in the states? guest: the one thing you can say about this epidemic in these --ds of measures, they are measures, we have never seen anything like this. even today, it is not clear what we are seeing because a lot of courts are closed. so far, none of those orders, none of those challenges have

resulted in any kind of court judgment that illuminates this issue, and my guess would be that courts are going to delay deciding, or simply uphold state authority to force these measures. courts are not generally in the business sticking their nose into an emergency response, unless there is clear evidence of the government is acting in an irrational way. host: if you want to join the conversation, talking about state and federal powers to restrict movement during health emergency, scott burris of temple university, it is 202-748-8000 in the central and eastern united states. 202-748-8001 if you're in the mountain or specific regions. professor burris, as folks are calling in, some callers in the past couple of days have called for more restrictive moment between states, calling on their own states to stop travelers

coming in from new york city or other hotspots right now within the united states. is that possible within states? guest: well, this again is another one of these unchartered areas of law. i think my judgment would be at the moment that, states a wallves cannot create at their borders. they cannot ban people from coming in, and they cannot prevent people from going out. and that is especially true if it is done in a discriminatory way. if the state says no people from new york can come here as opposed to saying people who have recently traveled to new york. state pick up people by citizenship, that would be a problem, but there is a little wiggle room here and that states do have their well-established

quarantine power. so it states have a solid basis to say people coming from a hotspot are at heightened risk of having been exposed, and a heightened risk of spreading the disease, imposing that common 14 day quarantine probably be of help. it is a distinction. you cannot say no new yorkers can come to florida, but but say they can come to new york. you will have to self-isolate for 14 days. the bigger question is really of closing theea borders because people are coming from somewhere else that is been more strongly effective is really valid. at this point, and most of the places talking about having these kinds of limitations, we are already have uncontrolled community spread anyway, so you know, that may be closing the barn door after the horses have fled. host: if states cannot close

borders, can they require medical examinations, whether it is taking somebody's temperature at a stop along the highway, or if he gets to the point were testing speeds up enough that you can get near instant results? can they force people to take medical examinations before coming into their state? guest: i think that would fall into the illegal category because that looks like border control at the state level. we have a very strong constitution a free movement of all americans from state to state. -- now, the feds feds have thethe authority to take disease-control measures that are medically necessary and reasonable in relation to interstate travel. in that sense, it would be kind of like having those thermometers and tests at the national border.

and we have experience, not within the last 100 years, but we have experience of the feds closing borders of states, and requiring health checks in a way that was upheld by courts. host: we did specifically? with theis is the same san francisco black plague outbreak at the turn in the last century. so in that case, it is very famous because the san francisco 30's attempted to put a sanitary -- around chinatown that applied only to chinese people. to requireso tried chinese people to get a health certificate before leaving the city. and both of those were overturned as medically unjustified and discriminatory, but what is less well-known is there was an order issued after the first order was overturned by the federal court officer, that required people who were going to leave the state on any

vessel, to get a health certificate, and that was not invalidated. and in fact, all around california, the neighboring states had set up border controls under federal authority to make sure that people coming out of san francisco when unaffected with the plague. host: let's chat with a few callers. steve out of charleston, south carolina. good morning. you are with professor burris. caller: good morning, john and professor burris. i am not sure if you're from a with the charlson area. we have three local beaches. ago, the townks officials took action to close access to the beaches, obviously for crowd control. and you know, i am on board with that, and my wife and i are in self-quarantine, and my wife has not left the house in weeks.

i go to the grocery store as needed, which has been once a week in the pharmacy as needed. we are trying to do our part, but when these town officials closed the beaches, they set up checkpoints, and if you had a reason to be there, or if you were visiting a family there at that time, they would meet you at the checkpoint. unfortunately, some selfish group decided that only the governor could close the beaches, so they threatened a lawsuit at one of the beaches. i don't understand that. may be technically, from a legal standpoint, that is correct, but you know, i just think the beaches should be closed, and it is way much policy. it puts an undue burden on police to disperse crowds. by the way, the folks at myrtle beach experienced a large influence of people from new york and new jersey trying to escape. there's always a possibility of

bringing that virus to that part of our state,, which is 100 20 miles from my town, but this legal technicality upon closing stuff is really something that needs to be looked at. host: thank you for bringing it upright professor burris? caller: that is right. we want a good response and we don't want legal technicalities to get in the way of that. this story seems to me is a story of the failures of some of our leaders to understand what is necessary and the time lag. and that has really been disastrous for us. i mean, we have been behind as a nation, behind this from the start. we are behind this because we have a lot of leaders who failed to grasp the significance of what was going to happen. failed to understand the science that was emerging about how it was transmitted, and failed to grasp what they had to do. we have been highness unfortunately because we have

allowed our public health infrastructure, our state and local health departments, and our national health resources to dwindle. be $130 probably billion short of spending in those institutions in the last 10 to 15 years. we are that far below where we were in 2008, and that means you don't have people who are following as closely as they should. you don't have strong employees with enough experience encouraged to push back against the leadership are you don't have the capacity to build a proper task. the problem here is not the law. the law allows states, localities, and the federal government together with a plan to do everything they need to stop this virus. the problem is the people who are wilting the law. host: when we get a vaccine for this, and hopefully it is sooner than later, can states or the

federal government mandate people get a coronavirus vaccine? guest: well, in there -- i have to say, the day they have a vaccine, they will have to have crowd control mandate people to wait in line. vaccine, theth any primary mechanism for developing national and individual heard in unity is making sure we have enough of the vaccine fast enough. see, withlways measles, have isolated pockets of people don't trust the vaccine, and for them, some kind of mandate may be necessary. and probably is legal. certainly is legal. depending on how the mandate is done. we know that from, you know, 100 years of law, but the main thing is, can we get the vaccine out, and can we handle the demand,

which is going to be here? has a vaccine case ever reached the supreme court? guest: are most famous case about government public health authority -- our most famous case about government public health authority came out about a pox epidemic in the determination of one man, named jacobson, to refuse vaccination. and the court ruled -- the supreme court ruled in 1904/1905, the government certainly had the power to compel vaccination when it was necessary to prevent the spread of a disease in the community. and the reasoning is timeless. they said, look, we all live together in a great, social contract, and that social contract includes our fundamental civil rights, but it also includes the right of the collective to defend itself, and it also includes an obligation

on individuals to submit to reasonable and safe measures to prevent the spread of the disease. this ontario, california, is susanna. good morning. caller: good morning, everybody. it is early in the morning in california, but i'm following very diligently on what is happening around the world. i want to bring two issues. key toion is really the stopping the spread of the virus, but nobody is talking to scientists who have a vast experience with coronavirus. withe are also dealing overcrowding and overpopulated environments. and we know coronavirus. and we know how to deal with prevention. so, one of the important aspects is one health initiative is in place. veterinarians are warning people to watch for the animals.

wildlife especially is going to spill over at one point intentionally or not intentionally. -- wee bios terrorism have bioterrorism we are teaching students. nobody is talking to veterinarians. put all the to sciences together, especially those working with animals. neff of the protection of animals, but -- not for the protection of animals, but the protection of people. number two, introducing barriers . nobody is telling the public to terminally inactivate the virus that is potentially there. every day after you come back from the public exposure, go masks,d wash, boil your or just put in the microwave for five minutes. unless it is metal parts in them. host: thank you for the call.

scott burris brings up the issue of what you can wear when you are out, whether you should wear a mask, whether you should be forced to wear a mask, and how you should clean that mask. is there anything in history that tells us what states in the federal government can do when it comes to that issue? guest: well, not specifically, but again, the way the epidemic law develops over the years in the united states was, as people realized, we are not going to know what to do. we will be adapting and evolving response when something new like this comes along. so, we will write the law in a way that says basically you health authorities can do whatever you think is the right gotg to do, as long as you some plausible, scientific evidence or reasoning to support it. so, we don't need a mask on. the federal and the state

governments can do what they want. the question is, is there plausible basis? there have been questions about masks. there has been back communication. it is strange to tell people, well, masks won't help you, but by the way, we need all the masks we can get for health care providers. so we have not explained what is going on, and make clear the very different risk profile that health care providers are facing versus citizens. that it is pretty clear all things being equal, masks can prevent certain types -- certain types of masks can prevent certain types of drop us from getting into your nose, mouth, or eyes. and we know now, pretty clearly, that our -- that there are people who will be walking around a coronavirus that don't know they have it.

so, that kind of suggests, if you cannot maintain social youance, within six feet, should probably wear a mask to the supermarket, or to the pharmacy. there are some counter concerns. one of which is people in america are not familiar with using masks, as the last caller just explain. they may not properly sterilize them, and may make the problem worse because they're constantly taking them on-and-off, and their hands may be on their face more often than otherwise. so right now, the idea may skiing an order for masks seems a little premature. the important thing is probably to get out the word that when wear a mask be most helpful for you to use, which the cdc has done, how do you use that mask, and how do you keep that mask sterile so it is not endangering you? phoebe out of leesburg,

virginia. we have that line that we have been keeping open for medical professionals. phoebe, what specifically -- what kind of work do you do? caller: i have been working in health care for a long time, mostly radiology. thank you so much for taking my call. i listen to you every day when i go to work. thank you for being here and keeping things rational for people. host: go ahead. you are on with professor burris. caller: sure. hi. whena graduate way back from temple university, and i have a question as far as any future policy as a result of this pandemic, like maybe public service announcements, anything that would be seen as ubiquitous. ofyou feel that some types policy could be written on a federal level, or do you feel in

the future that that will still be on the state level? at thishen we look back and hopefully we will be looking back at this altogether as soon as possible, the number one lesson is that we let our response system fall apart. there has been talk that nobody could have predicted this. people in my business have been predicting this for 30 years. we have always known this was going to happen. the defense department did an exercise a couple of years ago, and found out if this happen, we would be woefully unprepared. the department of health and human services did an exercise more recently. every body our business need that sooner or later, we will get this kind of virus, and they also knew that we would be unable to respond to it, and we have responded as predicted. we don't have a strong enough federal public health infrastructure anymore.

there should have been someone who knew where every mask and ventilator was manufactured. there should've been a capacity at cdc to realize and to produce a test at a massive level, not a few hundred a day. and all of this should have been triggered in january, or even late december. we actually had a cdc officer in beijing at the china cdc until last summer, when that person of loss or. because of the number one -- you can repeat this at the state and city level, where health department budgets have been cut year after year after year, to the point where right now, they don't have enough bodies to manage. we should treat the death count with inspection right now. it only takes a little time. their places they don't have the staff to manage the process. number one lesson, we have to

rebuild our public health infrastructure. beyond that, it is hard to draw lessons because every epidemic is different. that is the whole point. capacity is what saves you, not planning. planning is important, but planning will always miss some aspect. you have to have the skilled people and enough of them, and they have to stockpile the basic proceeds so that we can new initial shock at the virus to the execution of plan. host: what are your thoughts on this story from "the new york post?" no live in national rifle association seeing new york for calling gun stores non-essential amid coronavirus. the nra saying governor cuomo is trampling on second amendment rights. think it is a sad nra is sort of

putting gun rights ahead of all other rights. you know, i think the second amendment is the law of the land. it is sort of new, for 200 years, there was no recognized second amendment right to bear arms. they are still trying to figure out what the limits are. and right now, they have been kind of expanding as to state control. i think it would be turning the constitution and the fundamental purpose of government wishes to keep us all safe and healthy and prosperous, on its head if it decided that gun rights travel health rights. people do not need guns now. they need masks, ventilators, food deliveries, and they need to be able to have some kind of income, so i would hope that courts would regard that claim

as taking the second amendment bound. but we shall see. host: heather in indiana, good morning. you are up with professor burris. caller: good morning. i am calling, because i've been looking at the news profusely about what has been going on in our country, and, as we understand it, there is clearly not great communication between the states and federal government. as i see it, i do not think of american people understand the hierarchy and how the federal and state government work. can you explain the organizational hierarchy of communication in regards to communicating the need for the health care system within the government? who what needsls

need to be met? and how does that trickle down to where we get results? host: thanks for the questions. guest: thanks for that question. i will divide this into two parts. one is the legal structure of all of that. the second is what is going on practically and what happens. fundamentally, and our constitutional structure, the states retain, when the country was started, what we call police power. forauthority to regulate health, safety, and prevention of disease. the states, also in our system, have a big role in health care, because health care is either private or run through state agencies on a day-to-day basis. the federal government's role was to protect our borders, constitutionally. to oversee, as you would say in

the old days, the quarantining otherpping coming from countries. anti-manage interstate travel. so within the state, the states stated. if it was wet outside the state, the federal government did it. of course, what has happened in the last 200 years, is the federal government has become the biggest payer for health care. so it has a lot of influence through its money, and states need the federal government's money, so they need to do what the federal government wants. the federal government has become the brain trust and planning location. the cdc is supposed to be our national public health expertise help, supposed to know what is going out and advise cities and states as to what it is doing. the nih is our national research treasury. in the president is ultimately the leader of the whole country, so that federal government is supposed to be the entity that plans what everybody should be

doing. for example, under the defense production act, which you have probably heard about, the federal government basically has the power to take over their manufacturing and distribution chain for critical medical supplies. that does not mean it takes over the companies and runs them, it just means it can say, ok, we have now got a list of everybody who makes masks. we are going to issue instructions as to where all those mass should go. -- masks should go. the federal government could be saying we are going to centralize the distribution of ventilators, so we will get control of all of the orders, and we will decide where they should go, and we will negotiate a price, and we will avoid the problem of states bidding against each other in the market , let alone bidding against foreign countries. it is also important that the federal government has important rule, which we are barely talking about, of leading the world, of reaching out.

the federal government is who deals with the rest of the world. right now, we do not have a plan for the rest of the world anymore than we have a plan for the rest of the country. for example, if we say, that is it, 3m cannot send ventilators to newer but the united states -- all of its foreign contacts must be abrogated. what stops the foreign country that we depend on for masks or region for tests or ventilator parts saying the same thing, cutting us off? all of which is to say states have to execute, and i think they are trying. you certainly see some states doing a great job. you see some states may be lagging behind. but the federal government is supposed to provide the plan and make it possible for states to do their job. the federal government is supposed to help lead the world in all of this and make sure that what happens in the world does not come back to bite us in any way. i think that is where the confusion you talk about is coming from. we have a real vacuum

inconsistent, thorough, deeply thought out leadership at the national level. host: these and amount of discussion on our twitter feed right concerning the second amendment in the wake of the nra story. lizzie wanted to weigh in saying depot areand home essential, you can bet your ass that gun shows are essential. that commentary happening on @cspanwj. or you can call in, like lissy did. caller: thank you, c-span, and thank you, scott. you have good information for people. i have a, and a question. my comment is shouldn't he invoke the federal defense away, likeact right now?

i see hospitals begging, on television, and i am very upset about it, that he does not seem tothink this is important us. hisuestion is is incompetency of our government right now, not taking these actions, causing all these people to die right now? causing deaths? why is this still happening? i really appreciate you. i appreciate c-span. thank you so much. host: thanks for the call. professor burris, can you explain what the defense production act does? the president has moved to invoke that act, when it comes to certain industries as well, correct? guest: that is right. it is in use. whether defense production act does is recognize there are , whetherommodities

steel in the middle of the korean war or masks today, that are essential to our country and our country's security and well-being. that in order to make sure we have enough of those commodities and that they are in the right places, the federal government will have broad powers to organize orders, supplies -- a good example i heard the other day is imagine you have -- you masks -- innough order to make masks, you need latex. and the company that makes the masks in iowa does not have any latex, but there is a company that makes condoms in new york that may have barrels of it. so under the defense production act, the government can say, uys, cellular latex, at the usual price, to the company making the masks and get them over there. so you can move stuff around and eliminate problems and delays it in the supply chain. you can also prioritize orders

and contracts. so you save to masks first and bedsheets next week -- so you can say, do masks first and that sheets next week. and they can take an inventory and see who produces more and what the states need, and it can take over the function of procurement and aside we need a total of 2 million masks, 100,000 for this state, 50,004 that state, we are going to buy them all at a decent price, and have them shipped out under our orders to the right places instead of having states going on ebay and competing with each other and bidding up the price. the defense production act is essentially a kind of award needed tool -- coordinated tool. the idea that it is about socialism ison or essentially a canard. it is about a planning infrastructure. we are seeing it used in fits and bites.

it often does not have to be used formally, because just the mention of it is enough to get a company to agree voluntarily to do what the government wants to do. the problem is what i do not think we see is a coherent plan, and we do not see the federal government taking on its role. the opposite. the federal government is now saying that states are primary, we are here to back you up here when it comes to essential supplies, the main actor. its job is to solve the problem, and it is not doing it at the moment. host: about five minutes left with scott burris, the director for public health law research at temple university. you can continue to call in on phone lines split up regionally and the special eye for medical professionals. this is dennis from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. thed a question about health and guns and grocery

stores or whatever store it is -- how is it that the federal government and the states seem to have joel as to telling who can be open and -- have control asked to telling -- as to tel ling who can be open. how is it we can do that and how is it the federal government and the states do not seem to have some way to allow people to do -- america, the land of the free -- it doesn't seem like we are. it's like -- it feels like the government is telling everybody what they can and cannot do. and to see the trillions of dollars spent and see nothing control.t the guest: i think you put your finger on a bunch of important things. but maybe not exactly playing

out the way you're thinking of initially in framing the question. we all feel sick and tired of sitting inside, and we would all prefer not to be exposed to these orders. that is natural. i actually think the problem here, though, is that we got to this point. it is probably necessary that we do this. it is pretty clear that is what all the scientists and experts are saying, but why did it become necessary? to me, that is not a problem of government but a problem of small government. as i said earlier in the broadcast, if we had spent about $15 billion a year more, since 2008, on our public health infrastructure, we probably would have an in a position to catch this earlier and respond more effectively and have avoided these extreme measures. to me, i think this epidemic proves you actually need the government.

there is nobody in the private sector whose job it is to prevent pandemics. that is a core government function. that is how we come as a people, protect each other, by having a strong public health infrastructure. cutything that took government budgets and streamlined and lower government payrolls and so on, at least when it comes to public health, that was misguided. investing 100 $50 billion in the last 15 years to be prepared and ready to prevent this epidemic, we are now spending trillions because we are not ready. when we finished with this experience, we should resolve never again shall we be locked in our houses like this. this should never happen again. one of the ways we will prevent that is by spending a little more on at least some aspects of government that only government can do for us. host: time for maybe just one or

two more calls. in brooklyn, this is robert. caller: good morning. the federal government under the trump initiation said state and local should get their own suppliers. and when they started to bid for their own supplies, the trump administration overbid them. i would like an answer for that one. also, when jared kushner said that federal government supplies is --r states, host: a couple of questions in there. before, it isid emphatically the role of the federal government to plan, organize, and lead things by procurement. that is their job. their job was to have a stockpile sufficient for our needs.

their job was to be ready in january to procure tests and build more ventilators. that was their job. they blew it. they are, unfortunately, continuing to blow the job of leadership. leadership is not cast getting -- castigating people or criticizing questioners. we have to understand this response is a disaster. all the people in my business, we used to look at things like ebola,d swine flu and and said the biggest protection in our country, the reason that we will not be terrified to sleep at night, is we have a strong public health system. so if it gets to us, we will be ready for it and handle it well. that just did not happen. we are living in a failed response. we are living in a country that did not live up to its "we're the best" mantra. korea is the best. singapore is the best.

it may be -- although there is a lot of fighting -- that china is the best. we are kind of down low. i am not about criticizing people now, i am about encouraging people. i want our government to succeed. we all do. i want our president to succeed. but when this is over, we had all better realize what a fiasco it was and we better realize we cannot go on with our lack of attention, our lack of support for public health infrastructure, and our lack of demand -- our lack of for true, nonpartisan, competent leadership from all parties. turnse our survival, it out, does depend on those people we elect and their willingness to rise above faction and their mere competence. host: we will end it there. burris, director

of the temple university center for public health law research, i appreciate you joining us via zoom from philadelphia this morning. appreciate the time. guest: thanks. thanks, everybody. host: up next on the "washington we will be joined by the international association of chiefs of police president ste ven casstevens, joining us from buffalo grove, illinois, about the challenges of policing during the coronavirus pandemic. before we had there, we take you about 20 miles south and east from buffalo grove illinois -- buffalo grove, illinois, to chicago. we are joined by the congressman from the fourth district of illinois. how is chicago doing i may coronavirus and, at this time, when everyone is trying to predict different peaks in different parts of the country, one is the peak expected in

peakgo -- when is the expected in chicago? guest: good morning. chicago is a hotspot pair the governor has played a leader -- major leadership role in invoking a shelter-in-place at home, and mayor lightfoot as well. very visible and very forceful. the schools in chicago and illinois have now been closed nearly three weeks. stay-at-home orders were issued march 21. evictions are not being enforced throughout the county. the convention center is now ready to accept up to 500 people, should the need arise. it is there that, before things get better, they will get worse. we expect to reach peak in the next week or weekend a half -- week and a half.

people have tested positive so far. there are close to 5000 cases in chicago proper. ofare bracing for the worst the pandemic so far. in illinois, our people are quite apprehensive, a lot of uncertainty into their future. at the same time, it is ringing out the best in people looking out for each other, especially for senior citizens and other vulnerable people. host: give us an example of where you are seeing that in chicago, as you have been trying to do your job. guest: we have been checking on some of our neighbors who are our senior citizens. we are checking in on some of our neighbors who are immigrants and who we know are undocumented. we know of cases where workers have contracted the virus, are

not eligible for many services except the test, but they do not get, for example, unemployment compensation. they will not be eligible or the $1200 checks -- for the $1200 checks. u.s. citizen children of undocumented immigrants as well will not be eligible to receive the $500 checks. so it has a disproportionate and real hardship impact on many of the constituents in my district, which is -- encompasses the city oft side of the chicago and the northwest side and a suburban connector of those parts of town. but we are seeing people knocking on doors or calling people and asking do you need food, water, do you want us to go grocery shopping for you? we are seeing that type of solidarity, and it really warms my heart to see that type of

caring by people to make sure that everybody makes it through and conveys this real sense that we are all in this together and that only together do we come out of it a better community and country. so it is bringing out the best in many of my neighbors and people who i represent in congress. host: is allowing that financial relief to go to those in this country illegally something that you are pushing or in the next coronavirus responsibility -- response bill? guest: i would definitely like to see that. for what reason? these are extraordinary times. this is truly a national emergency. not been here as a country since 1918, that pandemic. if there is one thing we understand from public health experts, it is that measures we take during this time should be

inclusive and should be universal. that is, if we force anyone to live in the shadows, if we force people or make them hesitate to come forward and look out for their health, to protect the health of those they may live amongst, then we do not protect the public house -- health of everyone in our country. if we want to take care of the public health threat, we need to be inclusive. leaving people out in terms of being able to get treatment will lead people to fend themselves, to try to overcome the virus without seeking medical help. that puts other people at risk. it puts u.s. citizen children at risk in a household. it puts their neighbors, their fellow workers, if they are essential workers, in danger at well -- as well. because people who do not have that health insurance, that

health protection, will work as take risksy can and and put other people's lives at risk at well c-spa -- as well. at the very least, it is the best public health argument one can make. ands also a good financial economic argument as well. if everyone is being provided this help, they are spending , the in the local economy local retail sectors, which are really vibrant in my district, throughout the disc city and suburban -- district city and suburban. it is about keeping the economy stabilized that is central to good recovery once we are over the pandemic and the public health threat and its aspects. host: we have less than a minute left with you, congressman, but is that something you have secured any commitment from the speaker to be included in the

next package? have made this request very clear to the speaker and other leaders as well, the hispanic caucus in advocated, aslso well as the progressive caucus of the congress. we are letting people know that this is an important public health measure, and it ought to be as inclusive as possible. why? because the virus does not discriminate, and neither should we. and let us not forget that 1.7 million immigrants medical and health workers in this country, who are doing frontline work, 27,000 of the dreamers, the so-called daca recipients, were doctors, nurses, and paramedics nationally as well. all good reasons for why it is important to be inclusive during this national emergency and include everyone in a fitting response to the crisis. host: before you go, tyler -- a caller brought this up earlier.

383,you describe what hr 5 the new way forward act, does and where it is? guest: it is a bill pending in congress, which seeks to decriminalize immigration and make it what has been for many -- its and a long provides due process and hearing for everyone in detentions. this is the way immigration policy was carried out in the past. we are seeking to restore that. there was a radical departure from that in 1996. we simply want to do what america has always honored -- treat immigrants justly and make the best case for why they should remain in the country if allowed to do so. host:, rissman chuy garcia, democrat from the fourth district of illinois, we appreciate your time. guest: great to join you. host: now, from the fourth

district of illinois on the west side of chicago to about 20 miles north and west of there, we head up to buffalo grove, illinois. we are joined by even casstevens. he serves as president of the international association of chiefs of police. when it comes to law enforcement, in the age of coronavirus, how much has policing had to change? guest: first of all, thanks for having me. we have not seen reasons to make operational changes like this to our everyday business or 102 years. -- for 102 years. we have completely, law-enforcement, changed the way we do business on a daily basis. we have civilian personnel working from home. we conducted daily briefings and roll calls either outside, distance six feet apart or more, or conduct them ella john ackley. -- electronically.

we are taking more police reports over the phone or directing people to online police reporting, stopped all of our classroom training. we are really changing the way we do business. reassigning people from specialty positions back to patrol to fill in for those positions being vacated because officers are sick. host: what is the international association of chiefs of police and what are you telling departments around the country on how to keep officers safe themselves during this crisis? guest: the iacp is the largest and oldest law enforcement leadership organization in the world. 1893 informed in chicago. we have over 31,000 numbers in 150 five countries, and we are not just chiefs of police. we are law-enforcement leaders and future leaders. right now, we are doing our best to provide good guidance and

information to all of our law enforcement members all over the globe. host: a headline from "the new york times" from last week. the virus' toll on the new york police department. 1 in 6 police officers are out sick. what advice are you giving to the new york police department or other departments? guest: it is even worse than that. that is a great example. we have an issue all over of officers being infected or they are under the investigation of being infected, they have to be in quarantine. --d had over 1400 pop officers that tested positive and have over 6000 out sick and had five employees die from corona. detroit, similar. over 600 officers from detroit pdr quarantined. more than 1/5 of their agency. they have officers who have

died, similar to chicago -- chicago has 600 officers quarantined and two officers have died. this is a serious scenario for law enforcement. people, weike other cannot work from home. we cannot work remotely. police officers have to continue to be out there every day to protect and serve our public. really by the nature of our job -- merely by the nature of our job, it is very difficult to practice social distancing, especially in a scenario where we have to come into contact with people. some of the information we are providing is we want to make sure all member agencies have enough ppe, which clearly has been a problem in some areas of the country. the difficulty for some agencies that have been contacting me is they are not able to gather

information from their state or county health departments on addresses within their communities where the health apartment knows people have already tested positive. that would be great information for first responders to know before they go to these households. and since they are not getting these information, they are forced to use ppe and every call for service, and ppe is getting hard to come by in some agencies. host: policing in the age of coronavirus is our topic until the end of the program. steven casstevens is with us. he heads up the international association of chiefs of police. (202) 748-8000 if you live in eastern or central time zones and want to call in. (202) 748-8001 if you are in the mountain or pacific regions. a special line set aside for law enforcement in this segment, (202) 748-8002. your calls in a second.

chief casstevens, what do we know about crime rates right now? guest: well, that is interesting. i read reports of crime rates going down, but certain crimes are going up as well. first thing we have to make sure, when we are jerking -- when we are talking crime rates. there are crimes and there are police calls for service. please calls or service are 911 calls, whether emergency or not rigid -- or not emergency, that requires a police response. crime has gone down in many communities. total police calls for service have gone down even more. a lot of those are self initiated things, like officers making traffic stops that may arrest or adrug suspended or revoked license arrest. most agencies are reducing or totally seizing these kinds of

personal contact with the public to try to maintain the social distancing that everybody else's trying to do. newport,y out of kentucky. caller: i would like to thank you for our first responders are always there. people complain a lot, but you are the first ones they always call. i just want to tell you that, from the bottom of my heart, everybody in kentucky, and i know, the nation. that is about what i had to say. thank you. guest: thank you. we appreciate that. it is something a lot of law-enforcement agencies do not hear enough of. we know the public appreciates what we do. again, we are in difficult times and ask for patience from residents and our jurisdictions. it is not business as usual. they may be used to see police

officers walking the beat or police officers in two-person cars in their neighborhoods or police officers always coming to their home, no matter what crime they are reporting. and right now, we are asking them to handle these incidents in a much different manner. we ask for their patients. -- patience. host: to madison, illinois. richard. caller: thank you for taking the call. thell in reference to officers, firefighters, first responders, when they get calls to these different homes or wherever, they are going into hazardous incidents. i think they should be told upfront, if it is known it is a possible infection. hipaauld supersede the responsibility. i have a relative now that works , and theyng facility

lied to the people, told them they did not have any active cases, to get those people to come to work, only to find out, later, there were, indeed, active cases. now about 15 of them are pointing. host: go ahead. finish your comment. caller: about 15 of them are being quarantined, which infects even my household, because my relative lives with me. also, are we considering what the impact of the activity of bugs will have on corona. as they become more active, they could possibly be a carrier. host: thank you for your story. guest: that is a great question. depending where you are in the country, there are a lot of law enforcement agencies struggling with exactly that issue.

to try to wrap up that question, in illinois, the attorney general made a statement that protected health information under hipaa does not apply in this type of emergency situation. but law enforcement and first responders are not looking for everybody's name and date of birth and social security number and all this information. all we are looking for is for our health departments to share the information with our public answering points, our police dispatchers, of just the addresses of people who are known to have tested positive or have tested and are under investigation to see if they are positive. if they can share those addresses, with police dispatchers, and those dispatchers can just alert police or fire personnel responding to a call whether it is a medical call, domestic violence or any other call, to let us know in advance, you are

helping to protect our officers. the issue is, in some states, the attorney general has said, yes, you can lease information to law enforcement. the local and state health departments, in many cases, are saying, no, it is still protected information. it is still a battle of trying to get important information to first responders. without that important information, first responders naturally have two assume any residence they may enter may be .i., so positive or p.u they have to use their personal protective equipment on every call. this is a problem because we are using up a lot of this equipment. liz in kingston, north carolina. good morning. caller: hello? host: you are on with chief casstevens. have a my question is i , anddy order for my child

the area he is going in -- the area has very high virus than the lower county. my child is four years old. i am trying to see why they do .ot stop this visitation casstevens? guest: i've have heard several stories in the past week of child custody scenarios, where it may be shared custody between divorced parents who live in separate cities or separate counties, and people are struggling on whether they should continue to transfer their child back and forth and possibly subject the child to exposure in one location or

another. this is a difficult scenario. than one child custody attorney give opinions on this, and they vary throughout the states. i would hesitate to give you legal advice that may get you in trouble with a court order, because child custody is based on a court order, signed by a judge. so my first advice is to contact the port clerk's office, the judge that issued that order, and see if they can modify that order for the next weeks. host: a minute ago, you were talking about crime rates amid the coronavirus endemic. can you talk about a specific type of crime -- domestic violence calls. is that something you are seeing an uptick of with everybody stuck together at home, in houses? guest: absolutely. an increase in domestic violence calls is an unfortunate

consequence of the issues we are all facing. people are being told to stay at home, not to go outside unless absolutely necessary. they are used to going to work every day. so some people have been cooped up in their homes or apartments for quite some time. they are getting a little antsy. they want to get out. sometimes, tempers flare. we are seeing an increase in calls for service about domestic violence. not only is this an unfortunate consequent for this whole scenario, but it is also one of the most dangerous calls for service a police officer can go on. we really have no clue what we are walking into. we do not know if it is only a verbal argument or if there are weapons inside the house, if there is intoxication. this is a dangerous call for law enforcement. host: chief casstevens joining us from buffalo -- buffalo 's police department in

illinois. taking your calls on lines set up regionally and the special line set up or law enforcement, (202) 748-8002. taking your questions and comments. tom out of leesburg, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for your service, chief. thank you, c-span. i am concerned about how much scenario planning is going on. when you start thinking of, for example, wildfires out west and situations like that, where there is going to be a lot of issues with evacuating people, where you put them, all that, i am just worried about that mix, which is already a big problem. then, do you throw the coronavirus, especially when they will have to shelter people in buildings where they cannot shelter -- and you mentioned domestic violence. maryland came out and said they will stop selling alcohol here soon. i would be curious how that will

affect what law enforcement has to do. guest: thank you. i appreciate it, and i appreciate the call. it is interesting, when you start throwing emergencies on top of each other. i am thankful we have agencies like fema and our state emergency management agencies, who practice this kind of scenarios every year. but as you say, when you have issues piled on top of each other like this, there are some scenarios where we are being forced to fly the plane while still building the plane. think, areies, i doing a great job supporting law enforcement and first responders around the country. it is merely a job of practicing the coordination that all of us have done over the years, hoping that a scenario like this would not happen. but again, we have not seen anything like this in 102 years.

regarding alcohol sales in some states, i've seen some of those reports as well. this varies throughout the country. some are reporting a closing of liquor stores. some are reporting only drive up purchases, things of that nature. it is notalways, -- always alcohol that contributes to domestic violence. there are countless things that contribute to a domestic violence situation. but, again, or big ask for foridents -- our big ask residences keep calm. keep distance. take time to go out for a walk. everybody's tensions are high. sometimes, we just need to do simple things like that to relieve our tensions and relax. host: with 41 states under state orders, how aggressively should police departments be enforcing those?

what sort of guidance are you giving to chiefs around the country? guest: that is an interesting and a great question. much like many things in this covert scenario, things are completely different from state to state. for example, i was conversing with a colleague of mine in hawaii. gave anaii's governor executive order, the way the rule of law works in hawaii, the executive order is tantamount to law. so as soon as the executive order is signed, it is essentially a law which is enforceable. there are many other states not situated like that. so a governor may declare a and illegal order congregations of 10 or more, but officers are being put in positions where there are no laws on the books currently being violated. there is no chapter or verse or code for an unnecessary or

improper gathering based on an executive order. so officers are being put in a tough situation in many states now. but, at the end of the day, no matter what state you are in, we are simply asking people to use common sense. police yourselves. the last thing a law enforcement officer wants to do is break up a scenario of someone in their backyard having 15 to 20 neighbors over for a bonfire or having 15 or 20 people in a park playing soccer or basketball. law enforcement should not be coming over there and telling you to go home. people should already know this. we have been in this scenario long enough. so law-enforcement are asking people to please police yourself. understand this is serious. this virus does not move by itself. it takes people to move the virus. if people stop moving, the virus

stops moving. then we win. host: tom is in california. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. the one thing i would like to talk about is we have no options except to call the police. i think that is a failure of our system. we need a number where i can call a doctor and get a nurse and a health-care person to come take care of me when i have a health care problem and leave the policein station where they belong, because there is no crime committed. all we have is 911. at police, fire truck, an ambulance, and all we need is someone who cares about taking care of the people, not shooting us for asking for help. the other thing is the police

are there to make money. war on drugs. let's comment on that. host: we will let chief casstevens jump in. guest: again, it varies state to state. but people often look to law enforcement as the government agency of last resort. we are always open, 24/7. in this scenario, a lot of municipal buildings have closed for the coronavirus. city halls are closed, health departments may be partially closed. a lot of municipal building shut except for- essential services. so people are frustrated and are left with the police to call. that is not a problem for us. we have police social workers. we have civilian personnel that can help direct proper social services or medical services to these residents in need without

having to send a police car. i would say, depending where you reside, it is ok to still call the police, but what they will probably do is direct you to other social services, so you do not have to have a police officer respond for a health issue. host: to central city, kentucky. good morning. caller: good morning. i have two comments. first on the subject of transporting children from one place to another during this pandemic, parents, love your kids enough to love them more than yourself and put your welfare first -- their welfare first. my second comment is thank you to all the first responders for taking care of us. and also, there is another line of workers also on the front lines that you do not hear about. , who are alsos going out and in public,

responding to calls, to make sure that our children are taking care of. host: thanks. guest: absolutely true. we cannot forget our child protective services. we cannot forget not just and doctors, ems, and nurses -- the mailman or milliman who continues to deliver your mail. medications and things like that. they are still showing up every day, showing up to work. our call is right. we have to remember to protect our children. they are incredibly vulnerable. that protection goes down to taking sanitation wipes, cleaning down child car seats you are transporting children in , cleaning out your car when you get in it, wiping down your steering wheel, your steering column, everywhere the virus can be transmitted. when you are receiving boxes in the mail, we have all heard reports of the virus can survive on cardboard for a certain

amount of time. wipe down the cardboard before you bring packages into the home. there is a lot you can do, simple things. jersey.ifton, new darren, good morning. caller: good morning. good morning, chief. appreciate the work you do. going back to talking about the hippo laws and foregoing hippo laws in order to identify people that have the coronavirus. i do not think the law and the police should have the right to forgo hippo laws that were put in place -- when they were put in place, they thought about the police, but they were put in place to protect the identity be -- so that people would not be discriminated against for health conditions. i understand that first responders are in harm's way. however, that is part of the job. when those patients are at hospitals, it is there that they are deemed to be people that

have corona. thank you. guest: sure. thank you for the call. you make a good point. there is a valid reason for hippo to be there. to protect the individual health information. but i will clarify that law enforcement is not looking for names and dates of birth. we are not looking for exact, individual information to identify people. what we are asking for his household, addresses, of either people that the health department have known to be test positive or persons under investigation. they may be quarantined, they may be tested or waiting for results. the reason that is important is we are trying to protect first responders.

police officers and firefighters are dropping by the hundreds and thousands, unable to serve the community, because they are or haver -- p.u.i. contracted the virus. we are trying to protect as many people, including police and fire. hipaa has specific language that says this prohibited health information can be released through health departments to atice and fire dispatchers public accessing points. that information in a crisis like this, that would help to prevent the spread, it is ok to release this limited information. you are not giving it to police. you are giving it to dispatchers. covertlyrs will give it to officers or they will not speak it out over the radio where people can hear it.

they will send it to laptops in officers' cars, so at least they know they have to put on their n95 masks, have to put on gloves, have to take the precautions when they are walking into scenario where they know nothing. host: about 10 minutes left with the chief of the buffalo grove police department, president of the international association of chiefs of police. when this is over, whenever this is over, do you think it brings permanent changes to policing in this country? guest: i think you may see some changes. what we are learning now is the setting changes we have had to make of not sending officers on calls that are not conical calls for service, are there holding them in the queue or contacting the caller back and saying you can take this report over the phone, we are happy to do that

and send you a copy. most agencies, like buffalo grove, have a format on our website where you can report certain crimes through our format, and we can take police reports online. those reports will still be investigated and approved. you can print a copy for your insurance company, if you need it. there are a lot of things we will clearly take a look at and say maybe we should do these things more permanently, because this has become more efficient or as -- for us. host: heading out to delaware. caller: good morning. i was wondering, on a positive note, if this could have a deterrent against sex trafficking? c-span.org that -- is a good question. we have seen a drop in crime and human trafficking, in drug

a variety offor reasons. people do not want to come in direct contact, because they do not want to spread the virus, and police officers not answering other calls for service are actually having time to concentrate on some of these very serious crimes. tellnk it is too early to exactly how well this will affect certain crimes, but iacp is working with george mason university on gathering information from police departments, essentially what they have learned so far. we know the situation is a challenge. we know there is a knowledge gap at a national level of how much law enforcement has been impacted and how they have been impacted. this has all happened very fast. iacp has taken a leadership role in this partnership with george mason to collect data. back, aout, it a while

25 point survey to member agencies in both the u.s. and canada. this is just a snapshot in time of law enforcement practice and procedures and what we are seeing. this is just for them to report activities between march 23. our survey just ended last friday, april 3. we are looking to go over this information right now, aggregate the data on a state and provincial level or canada, and hopefully share that data within this next week. host: when you do that, the place for people to look iacp.org? guest: correct. host: andy in ohio, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you guys doing today? host: doing well. caller: i had a question. i know everybody is short on masks and stuff like that.

i was wondering, i've never heard anybody say anything about army surplus stores. how come we have not tapped into that resource as far as personal protection? guest: there are a couple of reasons. a lot of the army surplus stores, the masks they have our gas masks -- are gas masks. many of them are outdated -- not that they could not be used in an emergency. what we are, interestingly, cn, not only in my agency, we are seeing a lot of private donations of masks and gloves and hand sanitizer to our department. we are getting them from private citizens, from local businesses. a lot of law enforcement agencies are thankful that we are getting hundreds and thousands of donations from a variety of different businesses. we are even getting a lot of hand sanitizer donated from our

friends in the distilled spirits industry that have changed from making distilled spirits to make a hand sanitizers and donating it to police departments. so kudos to them. host: richard out of boston. good morning. with a i am 70 years old compromised immune system, and i makes a lotbor that of cost of the police -- makes feel bad3:00 a.m. -- i calling the police, but i call them for five times. they just go up to his door, and he says ok, and they go away. it will stop for a while. like i said, i feel bad calling, but i need to call because i need to sleep and i could get this thing. guest: i understand your predicament care there are a lot of people like yourself up in age and suffering from a variety

of different ailments. they need to get there rest and sleep. it is frustrating when you hear your neighbors up in the early morning. you are doing the right thing by calling early -- your police. in boston, i know the commissioner there. he is a good man. i am sure his officers will continue to respond. on your next call, be sure to tell them how many times you call and the specifics besides each one of those and ask them to make direct contact with this person. i understand your predicament. it can be very frustrating. host: let's see if we can fit in linda, who has been waiting in georgia. can you make it quick? caller: yes, hi. first, i want to say thank you to all first responders, especially police officers, because i have one in my family. what i wanted to say it is it good idea for the health

department to give out the address of a possible covid-19 case, but, at the same time, dr. birx and dr. fauci both said they are estimating anywhere from 25% to 50% of people are a symptom addict -- a symptom addict -- asymptomatic. so, really, it does not matter. you have to consider all people as possible covid-19 cases. host: thank you. guest: thanks, linda. you make a good point. first of all, we have to remember is we have 18,500 law enforcement agencies across the country. state police, county sheriff, tribal police, municipal agencies. anywhere from two or three officer agencies to tens of thousands of officer agencies. some of these agencies are lucky and well supplied with the.

some have very little ppe. what they are trying to do is ration these masks and gloves and have the officers use them only on calls for service where they really feel they need it. if there is no sharing of information from local or county health department, they are forced to use ppe on every call for service, which means they are using up what limited supply they have, and they will be running out of supply with nowhere to turn. now they will be going out on calls with no protection. buffalo grove chief steve casstevens, serving as president of the international association of chiefs of police. thank you for your time. guest: thank you for having me. host: that does it for our program today. we will be back here tomorrow morning at seven at ogg eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific. -- at 7:00 eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its

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