investigation into the origins .f the russia probe and we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. wpa" is next. president trump: justice, want chaos, are the mission at hand. host: that from the president this weekend, and his comments coming before yet another night of violence. these are just some of the scenes from new york city and washington, d.c.. chicago and minneapolis. los angeles and san francisco. nationwide, it was a night of anger, violence, demonstrations, and rage. nearly one week after the death of george floyd, a nation dealing with the ongoing health crisis as a result of coronavirus and now once again the deep wounds of race nism our country creating another lash point in our history.

we begin with calls and comments on this moment. what are we seeing across the country? what are we seeing in your community and why? we're dividing our phone lines regionally. if you're in the eastern half of the country, 202-748-8000. in the mountain or pacific, 202-748-8001. and also, we are taking your text messages at 202-748-8003. on twitter, we're on cpacwj. and on facebook, on facebook.com/cspan. a lot to get to. thank you very much for being with us. this is the front page of this morning's "washington post," a wave of rage and anguish sweeping across u.s. cities. the president trying to tamp down some of that anger and frustration. he did so yesterday in florida. president trump: the death of george floyd on the streets of minneapolis was a grave tragedy . it should never have happened.

it has filled americans all over the country with horror, anger, and grief. yesterday i spoke to george's family and expressed the sorrow of our entire nation for their loss. i stand before you as a friend and ally, to every american seeking justice and peace, and i stand before you in firm opposition to anyone exploiting this tragedy loot, rob, attack, and menace. healing, not hatred. justice, not chaos are the mission at hand. [applause] president trump jrkt police officers involved in this incident have been fired from their jobs. one officer has already been arrested and charged with

murder. state and federal authorities are carrying out an investigation to see what further charges may be warranted, including against, sadly, the other three. in addition, my administration has opened a civil rights investigation and i have asked the attorney general and the justice department to expedite it. i understand the pain that people are feeling. we support the right of peaceful protesters. and we hear their pleas. but what we are now seeing on the streets of our cities has nothing to do with justice or with peace. the memory of george floyd is being dishonored by rioters, looters, and anarchists. the violence and vandalism is being led by antifa and other radical left wing groups who are terrorizing the innocent,

destroying jobs, hurting businesses, and burning down buildings. host: that's from the president on the same day in which spacex successfully launching off cape canaveral. we'll have more on that in the final half-hour of "washington journal." the president with this tweet last night saying the national guard has been released in minneapolis to do the job that the democrat mayor could not do. should have been used two days ago and there would not have been damage and police headquarters would not have been taken and over ruined. great job by the national guard. no games. from the "star tribune" in minneapolis-st. paul, some of the plays, swift show of force in minneapolis, pushing out the curfew violators. look at some of the scenes from minneapolis as we take your phone calls. marvin in philadelphia, good morning. caller: yes. here's a lot of unrest now into the stores last night.

only thing i have to say on the killing a black citizen has been going -- i don't know if things is at a boiling point. i don't know if some type of conversation need to be done to stop the violence, as well as cops or just regular citizens or not. but i know that it do got to be a deeper conversation than just one subject. it got to be the whole transcendent relationship between cops and citizens. and that's the only way that it's going to stop. host: thank you for the call. kirk is up next from athens, alabama. good morning. caller: good morning, steve, and good morning, america. i just want to pose a question, and my question is, for how

long will this society and country and world continue to gnore and to put off addressing the issue of racism against black people and black people in particular? white supremacy, it's not working. and in our reality, the only way to fix this situation is to ddress the issue of the racism against black people in particular, and why and what does it come from. and you would have to dismantle the constitution and create an entire new government and an entire new world, political, economic, medical, educational system. because until that's done, this will always be the one issue in this country and the world that

will never go away. reparations is not enough money to pay for the damage done. our i am humanity being treated this way, we have no right to tell china, north korea, iran, iraq, afghanistan, anyone else, what to do with their people and citizen sandri what type of government to give them when america is supposed to be the beacon of the world. and from katrina to this, america continues to show the world that black people are not citizens, are not human, have no rights, and will never get any rights, because there's not enough white people in this country prepared to face and address racism and the unfairness of it and 400 years of slavery, and wholesale genocide of the people of this land, that it was stolen from.

host: how do we get to that point? how do we change the trajectory, as you point out, 400 years from slavery, civil war, racism, the civil rights movement, and now what we're dealing with today? how does it change? caller: face the truth. face the truth. black and hispanic people are the biblical lost tribes of israel, and that's the truth. that makes us god's chosen people. and all of what we're seeing is religious prophecy and revelation coming to life. face that truth. create a whole new system of government into nationally worldwide, that's fair, that's equal, and that's just. it takes away this predicate of race, because there's all one race, the human race. host: kirk, i'll leave it there. thank you for your very thoughtful call. we appreciate it. this is the headline from the "wall street journal."

u.s. cities racked by another night of protests over george floyd's death. here are some of the details. riots took hold in u.s. cities saturday night as protesters over the death of george floyd turned violent across the country for a second night in a row. protesters lighted cars on fire in new york city, seattle, and philadelphia. in los angeles, demonstrators kicked in the windshields of police cars, torched a police outpost in an outdoor shopping mall, and looted stores. police shot rubber bullets and swung their batons at demonstrators.

host: get back to your phone calls. keith in denver, colorado, good morning. caller: good morning. yeah, so i think it's very, very important that we put this in context. it's not about george floyd. orge floyd is a catalyst because we witness, the entire world witnessed a snuff film. i think you're familiar with that term. illegal films of murder. and we watched the state through its deputized officer torture and crush a human being . for an alleged $20 check.

this is on the hills of ahmaud arbery. this is on the heels freddie gray. this is on the heels of hundreds and thousands and millions of african-americans, explaining to our white friends, colleagues, neighbors. this happens to us. and you tell us it's all in our head or that we're lying about it. that foments revolution. cry about a burned down police tation, the french celebrate bastille day still today. iraqis rightfully destroyed abu ghraib, where we committed awful crimes. and let's not forget about the boston tea party. so white america, you have a reckoning to do. you have to face yourselves in the mirror.

but we will not tolerate it. we're done asking. we're done waiting. no justice, no peace. host: keith from denver. we thank you for the call. this tweet from lisa, saying president trump is correct. anarchy will not be tolerated and will not wind. send us a tweet. from "the new york post," there's this question, is nothing sacred? the scene outside st. patrick's cathedral in new york city. protesters desecrating the cathedral with graffiti, staining the stairs and spewing hatred on to two of the walls o. one wall along fifth avenue read b.l.m. and no justice, no peace. one of the stairs was sprayed with the words george floyd in black letters. that's the scene outside st. patrick's cathedral in new york

city. walter in butler, indiana, good morning. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. i'm just sitting here and listening to this garbage over and over. racism, racism. where was the racism? oh, because there was a white cop? i'm sorry. we can't have a white cop. i mean, you guys just love to stoke the flames and make things way worse than it is. and what do these protesters could? they break in the store and rob snookers and cash registers. i'm not saying what the cop did 9 right. of course it was wrong. everybody just jumps on the bandwagon. does it sell tickets, and guys all talk about 400 years of blah, blah, blah. meanwhile, president obama was the president of the united states. just knock it off. there's good cops, there's bad cops. there's criminals. i mean, it wasn't like this guy just got out of his car politely and walked over, yes, sir, and then when there is a scuffle, there is something happening, when i think was wrong, absolutely. but then they blame it on race.

what should we do? let's just make sure that if a policeman interacts with a minority, make sure the policeman is a minority, and then everybody busts up and destroys stuff like little children, like wild savages. they don't care. half of them don't even work and they get all up in this, all the whole country is so racist. go find a country that's better and pack your bags and leave. it's just ridiculous. they talk about white supremacy. it has nothing to do with that. i mean, if i get pulled over by a police officer, i don't care, yeah, i'm white, so what. a black guy, who cares. yes, sir, no, sir, license, registration, step out of the car, follow the orders. i'm not saying what they did was right. that was horrific and shouldn't be. but you guys love to sell the tickets and popcorn by turning it into race. it's just disgusting. i wish you people would all get a job. host: walter from butler, indiana. from "the washington post," this is the headline, tensions between police and protesters flairing in front of the white house before vandalism and

sporadic fires along northwest washington, d.c., courtesy of "the washington post." ere's the scene yesterday. >> we are couldn'tly getting killed regardless. we keep on having these movements and nothing is changing. >> the issue is nationwide. people are killed nationwide. black people are killed nationwide. cops are dirty nationwide. so this is not just a problem for minneapolis, but for an entire country. >> this unity, everyone saying we are in this together. no matter what's happening in the world, black people, black lives, everyone is in solidarity with these black people, with these black men who have been shot, these black women who have been shot. >> they need to understand that we're people. they need to understand that we're not threats. my skin color is not a threat. there's nothing frightening ith my skin color.

we're not animals to be killed. we're not cattle. they're treating them better than they are treating us here. horses, just like white people keep their dogs better than us. nothing has changed. that's why i'm here today. host: the scene outside the white house in northwest washington, and again, courtesy of "the washington post," joining us on the phone is hunter walker. he covers the white house for yahoo! news. not only security tchokes get into the white house and also temperature checks, but now dealing with demonstrators for those covering the president these days. guest: hey, steve, how are you? host: i'm fine. so what's it like to be inside the white house these days with all that's been going on, not only the last week, but the last 10 weeks? guest: well, you know, the white house press corps has moved to a little bit of a different rotation now in order to at least attempt some social

distancing. i actually have not been inside the white house really since the demonstrations began. i was there on friday. i was the poller. being the poller involves taking one of the rapid tests for covid at the beginning of your day, in addition to the temperature check. so that's the last time i was actually inside the white house, but, of course, as we've all seen, the white house has been the focal point of some of these protests that have just been rocking the country. for the last two nights i was in front of the white house, in the vicinity of the white house,, and you know, particularly, i guess it was the wee hours of sunday morning, i was out there after midnight. that was the first night of protests near d.c., really large protests.

the protesters actually breached the barricades outside the white house. i saw something, i was there for about three hours until the park was dispersed with pepper spray. i saw something that i can only describe as secret service agents quite literally, you know, street fighting with protesters in front of the white house. and that was just incredibly jarring to see in front of a facility that's one of the most secure residences in the country. i was back out again last night , get through early this morning, and at one point i was walking on constitution avenue looking up the south lawn, and the white house was completely dark, and there was just a column of smoke rising up behind it, and you could just hear booms from the various fireworks being watched by the protesters and also some of the flash bangs and tear gas being used by law enforcement. so they say it's a very

different time at the white house. host: and really, a triple threat for the president, because he had announcement on friday of pulling out of the w.h.o. his pressure towards china, blaming them again for not doing enough early enough to make sure that we knew what was happening with covid-19. you also have a presidential election going on right now. and you have the five nights of racism and hatred that's going across cities, and we're seeing the pictures of stories from chicago and new york that are just being damaged or destroyed. guest: yeah, and i just did a story looking at the trump campaign and how in this era of coronavirus and social distancing they've really largely moved to a virtual format. as you know, in 2016, the in-person or inner rally was sort of the president's hallmark.

it was important to his campaign. not only was this one of his big ways of getting his message out, one of his ways of dominating the news cycle, it also narcotics country it allowed the driveway collect data. we saw him have an event with 20,000 attendees, they would be getting phone numbers or texts. they would be selling merchandise. they would be, in some cause, getting people material for registrations. so they lost all that. they've tried to be virtual, and you've actually see the campaign have programming litter we'll every night in this virtual space. they call many of them virtual rallies. it's far outstripped anything the biden campaign has been able to do in this front. but yet even before this controversy with the death of george floyd on may 25 and the subsequent protests and riots all over the country, biden was

ahead, in addition to a close ead in the national polls. they just did not good for the president. , so you know, it will be interesting to see some of the first numbers to see how voters are reacting to these wild scenes that we're seeing across the country. but beforehand, even with much more robust digital operations and much more robust operations since the pandemic, president trump was in trouble in the polls. host: and one final point, because news that angela merkel will not be attending the g-7 summit, using the covid-19 as a reason not to come here, was that a surprise to the administration, and could we see other world leaders skip the g-2347 late june near washington? guest: yeah, this whole thing has just been an indication of ities h these external

are just rocking president trump's world right now how little he's able to take control of it. you know, the president had made the announcement that he happened the g-7 in washington patriot much as normal, i think on may 20, a little earlier last month. and i'm sorry, still this month, last day of may. he already had to push back from that and now it seems like a leading foreign leader is also now setting her own terms with it. and you referred to the sort of events that he had on friday, he had he wanted to spend the day rolling out a pretty major set of announcements on china when that press conference was scheduled, all anybody wanted to hear about was, you know, his response to this video of george floyd that had everyone so upset around the country. he ended up not addressing that

until friday afternoon. he didn't take any questions after the china announce: then at this roundtable he did take questions from myself and other reporters, and he made a softer statement on george floyd. i think it was very interesting to see his schedule throughout like that, because what ended up happening was all eyes were on his press conference. the story came out in the middle of the day that the president avoided talking about george floyd. he actually made a very interesting, nuanced statement on it friday afternoon. but not very many people saw them because it was late in the day, protests are already begun, and broadcasters were not lined up to air those remarks as they'd been with the press conference. host: hunter walker, who covers the white house for yahoo! news, joining us in washington. thanks for being with us on this sunday. we appreciate it. guest: thanks for having me, steve, and please stay safe out there. host: absolutely. this is the headline from nbc

news in indianapolis, three shots, one dead amid the protesters have been taking place in that city. the violence was a few blocks from the center protest at monument circle. indianapolis metropolitan police saying there was no evidence of tying the attack to the protesters. more details at nbcnews dovement matt is joining from us philadelphia. a fifth night of violent demonstrations around the country. matt, your reaction. caller: hey, steve. yeah, here in philly, we really got it heated up last night. our mayor put a 8:00 p.m. curfew on for last night, and i just got "the philadelphia inquirer" this morning, and we again for torningte sunday night, he also instituted an 8:00 p.m. curfew. the one thing i want to say here is one thing i really noticed watching these

demonstrations, most of them are a lot of young people, and one thing i want to say is, when my wife and i go to the polls, and my wife and i voted in every election, conspicuously absent when we go to the polls are, you guessed it, young people, especially millennials. i just to want say, hey, you know, you can get out of here and burn down all you want, but in this country, at the end of the day, we change things at the ballot box. thank you. host: matt, thanks for the call. jan has this tweet, macy's and many other stores in downtown chicago boarded up their windows to prevent looting. looters ripped that down and used two by four's from that to smash the windows. they are still looting this morning, live on television. jeff is joining us from indianapolis. what are we snoog your chicago overnight? -- what are we seeing in your city overnight? caller: we had some violence and damage and looting near indianapolis, too.

and just like the guy said, most of the people that are doing it are younger folks. because we as older folks don't have time for that crap, because we're too busy working, earning a living, trying to take care of ourselves and our families. but here's what i say about the entire thing. to me, i just think it is a bunch of fake outrage. why? because just look at the statement black lives matter. if black lives really matter to black people, we would start in our own back yards where in many cities across the country, many in black neighborhoods, the homicide rate is out of control. now, we fake outrage and get upset when a white person does something or police do something, but we don't see the same level of outrage about the massive amounts of black-on-black killing that is going on across the country

every day, every weekend, in black communities. if black lives really matter, we would start with the black lives in our own backyard. and until we start doing that, those start telling me that black lives really matter, because black lives really don't matter unless you can get something political out of it. host: jeff, thank you, from indianapolis. and this from congressman john lewis, of course, helped lead the civil rights movement in the 1960's, a member of congress, who's been battling cancer. he says, "despite real progress, i cannot help but to think of young emma today as he i watch video of unarmed black americans being killed and falsely accused. my heart breaks for the country that let them down again."

host: that's from congressman john lewis. let's go to kim joining us from iowa. good morning. caller: good morning. a last caller you had has

ignorant thought. the reason why black men and women are getting hurt by the system consistently, those buildings that's out there burning is white supremacy, and we see them. i have them here. i have them everywhere. they're everywhere. and we as black people have to realize all they do is change their name. all they do is scream out racism. and i know the hypocrisy is that i assume white guys going capitaling with ar-15, and i don't see this uproar. but these black men are getting murdered on our street and pretending that this is normal and that it's ok and we have to -- and people respect the police, and you have to understand, we pay taxes, too, as black folks. they work for us, and they have to realize that we need to tell

the truth, that black folks pay taxes, we work just like everyone else. and until everyone tells them the truth, that we pay taxes and we're not second-class citizens, it's not going to change. host: this is from the "chicago sun-times," the headline, burning rage. here's some of the details from the "sun-times" --

host: the next call is from chicago. john, good morning. caller: good morning. thanks so much for c-span. i'm a 80-year-old white man in chicago for the last 20 years, i've worked on the south side of chicago in homes there. chicago is a segregated city. it suffers tremendously from the segregation. there is a terrible inequality of educational facilities in chicago on the south side as well as employment opportunities.

i really think that these problems, without a great deal of money, could be solved. but it's going to take a while before people realized that they can be solved. but i think these problems are addressable. thanks so much for your time. host: john, thank you from chicago. the brother of george floyd appearing on msnbc yesterday with reverend al sharpton on his politics nation program, talked about his conversations with former vice president, 2020 presumptive nominee joe bide ont democratic side, and president trump. here's the exchange from yesterday, courtesy of msnbc. > let me ask you this. you spoke to both president trump and the family spoke to former vice president biden. what did you say to them? >> i asked vice president biden

, and i never had to beg a man before, but i asked him could he please, please get justice for my brother. please. because i need it. i need it. i do not want to see him on a shirt just like the other guys. nobody deserves that. black folks don't deserve that. we all dying. we're all dying. black lives matter. we need it. it's pain. we're fueled by pain right now. and we should just be peaceful, but it's hard right now. >> what wases conversation with president trump like? >> it was so fast. he did not give me the opportunity to even speak. it was hard. i was trying to talk to him, but he just kept, like, pushing me off, like i don't want to hear what you're talking about. and i just told him, i want justice. i said that i couldn't believe that they committed a modern-day lynching in broad daylight. i can't stand for that.

i can't. and it hurt me, you know? just don't understand, man. why we got to go through this. why we got to have all this pain, man. i love my brother. i'm never going see him again. host: that from the brother of george floyd, appearing yesterday on msnbc. this tweet from former vice president joe biden. yesterday he wrote, we are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. we are a nation enraged, but we cannot allow our rage to consumer us. place stay safe. please take care of each other. and this is a tweet from super tone saying caller from indiana, that is not the point. the point is that black people are still being treated unequally. it has nothing to do with self-progress. again, this headline from "the washington post," as tensions between police and protesters flaring in front of the white house before vandalism and

sporadic fires. details from a team of "washington post" reporters, "crowds protesting the killing of george floyd clashing with u.s. secret service, park police, and d.c. police officers in the nation's capital saturday afternoon and outbreak e second between law enforcement and activists decrying police brutality --

host: that from washington, d.c. deborah from pennsylvania, good morning. caller: good morning, steve, and thank you so much for taking my call. also thank you to the man from colorado for his no-nonsense straight talk. here's i have to say. i'm a white woman. and trump and the republicans, you know, want to make it about politics. well, here's a very brief history about the republican party. joe mccarthy, witch hunts, 1947 to 1957. nixon's southern strategy. let's appeal to racism so we can get the white vote. reagan's globalization and the start of the two-tiered system

and income inequality in our country. how many people realize that the jobs taken overeast are from the republicans, and then we have newt gingrich's viciousness. pat buchanan's declared culture wars. karl rove and his voter suppression. that's the history of the republican party. and to get up to date now with the evangelicals, i just heard a poll last week that 80% still upport trump for 2020. following the teachings of jesus. children taken from their parents, put in cages, which is torture to children, crimes against humanity. this is the he have jet cals. that's what -- this is the evangelicals? that's what i have to say about where we're at now. thank you very much, steve. host: amir is next, outside of washington in silver spring,

maryland. good morning. thanks for waiting. caller: good morning. this is biblical. end times like. this as a woman with brown skin, an american with brown skin, i believe that our people have a responsibility to their own communities. i agree with the gentleman who said we need to start in our own communities, all lives matter. because people are demige those communities, and people need to, as an american, a african-american, they need to educate themselves and do different things, because being violent on the streets does not change the circumstances. destroying businesses, i've been a part of what happened in the 1970's and saw businesses destroyed of black americans. and it was looting. it was all for greed. it had nothing to do with racism, because closing and burning up stores and vandalism does not change the fact that that unfortunate situation happened. it is very sad. any time there's a death in that way, it's sad. but it happens to every race. and we need to stop acting like it's just about the blacks.

host: thank you for the call. yesterday governor tim walz of minnesota with this on the demonstrations across his state, particularly minneapolis and st. paul, curfews in place to try to stem some of the violence. here's what he told reporters. >> i think what's really important to recognize is the tack kicks and approach that we have taken have evolved and need to evolve the same way, with a sensitivity to the legitimate rage and anger that came after what the world witnessed in the murder of george floyd and was manifested in a very healthy gathering of community to memorialize that on tuesday night. was still present to a certain degree on wednesday. by thursday, it was nearly gone, and last night is a mockery of pretending this is

or t george floyd's death historical traumas to our communities of color. because our communities of color and our indigenous communities were out front fighting hand in hand to save businesses that took generations to build. infrastructure and nonprofits that have served a struggling community were torn down and burned. by people with no regard for what went into that. so let's be very clear. the situation in minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of george floyd. it is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great cities. host: from the governor of minnesota, today in minneapolis. let's get back to your phone calls. carmen is next in canton, ohio. good morning. caller: good morning. i was watching the demonstrations on tv, and i noticed a large amount of white

people involved in the rioting. well, most white people don't live in urban areas. so it would be interesting to have a discussion on the amount of the white skinheads coming in from outside areas to use this as an opportunity to just cast of a bad light on people of color and destroy neighborhoods. host: thank you, carmen. this is the headline from the "l.a. times," as governor newsome declaring a state of emergency late saturday in los angeles county and in l.a., also activating the national guard to assist police after two days of violent demonstrations sparked by the death in minneapolis of george floyd. the story goes on to point out that los angeles mayor eric garcetti suggesting newsome mobilize the guard less than an hour after a mandatory curfew was set, and then for the entire city at 8:00 p.m. saturday until 5:30 a.m. this

morning. los angeles metro saying that it was suspending all transit service during the occur few period -- host: the scene from los angeles where there's now a state of emergency. let's go to paul, who's joining us from seattle, washington. good morning. caller: good morning. how you doing, steve? host: good. how are you, sir? caller: oh, fine. you know, steve, i just wanted to make a little comment.

i was in the seattle fire department, and i can remember when the police used to come into the stations and sit around. and not all of them, but a few of them would come in there, not only white cops, there was some black, even a few asians, and the comments that they used to make to me, and i really didn't like the comments that some of them used to make to me , so i never -- i didn't want to, you know, start anything, because the first thing they want to say is, oh, you're sensitive and all kinds of stuff like that, but you know what i would do? when i would see them pull up, i just go into the poolroom, leave and go into the pool sandroom shoot pool until they would leave. and after a while, they stopped coming into the station. my officer and my crew, they

never said anything to me about it. i'd come out later on, they'd act like everything was just fine. host: i would imagine that those comments were derogatory or racist in nature, is that a safe assumption? caller: well, let's put it this way, steve. they would make little comments like, yeah, we're watching your buddies out there, you know, they always into something. i said they're not my buddies. they're not my buddies, you know? just little tiny things that they would say. and like i said, after a while, i got tired of it, so when i would see them pull up, i would just go into the pool sandroom shoot pool until they would leave. well, after a while they would top coming in. when i have my off time, i would drive my district, because i had to learn, and then i would see the car parked there. at the fire station with my

crew, because i was off that day, and they'd be parked there and go in with my crew. but, you know, not only the white cop, there was black cops that came in there, too, that had the nasty attitudes, too, and i can tell some other incidents where that happened. but, you know, it's really something. steve, i just don't think things are going to change. listening to some of the callers that calling up on your station, you know, it's not going to change, steve. i mean, i hate to see the riot. i would never get out and riot and tear up a person's business. i think that's wrong to do. you know, i believe in what martin luther king did, but it's not going to change, steve, and with this incident happening here, it's going happen again, steve. it's going to happen again, and blacks can see, you have a blessed day. host: stay safe, paul, and thank you for adding your voice to the conversation. we appreciate it.

thank you, paul. this is from inside "the washington post." we showed you the scene earlier from the videos that they posted on its website. d.c. on edge amid the demonstrators, an outpouring of anger, and a scene really repeated in large and small cities from peoria, illinois, to baltimore, to washington, d.c., and in philadelphia, we've had a number of callers from chicago as well, the situation there, and the scene in los angeles and in san francisco. yesterday before heading to cape canaveral for the successful launch of the spacex, by the way, the docking will be live at about 10:30 eastern time, so tune in for that. this is the president yesterday on the situation in cities across the country following the death of george floyd. reporter: have you confirmed you might be stoking more racial violence -- president trump: no, no, no, not at all. maga says make america great

again. i have no idea if they're going to be here. mag sa make america great again. by the way, they love african-american people. they love black people. maga loves the black people. i heard that maga wanted to be there, a lot of maga was going to be there. i don't know if that's true or not. but they love our country. remember that. maga is just an expression. maga loves our country. host: that from the south lawn as the president was leaving yesterday for cape canaveral. some of the headlines, front page of the "new york times," spreading unrest, leaving a nation on edge. from the sunday week in review section, the world is broken. greed and globalization sets us p. there is no vaccine for white supremacy.

this from massachusetts. good morning. good morning. you're on the air. caller: sbore that. we'll go to bruce in pennsylvania. good morning, bruce. quhipe we're witnessing going on in is the failure of the progressive democratic party who are majorly in charge of all these cities, why aren't they changing the policies? they're the boss of these police people, and they got elected to run those cities. why aren't they holding them responsible before this stuff is happening? but nobody ever, ever points a finger at them. and if you count all the cities, you can go democratic

control, 30, 40 years, and poor people are still living in places that are appalling. and all the policies that they're there -- like that guy in new york. he got arrested for selling onesies, cigarettes, strike to make a few bucks. that's just poor, poor, and it's not the head of the nation. it's their policies, because they've had a chance for 30 or 40 years. host: bruce, thanks. i do apologize we didn't hear from you, sue, if you want to call back we'll try to get you into the conversation. donald from san antonio, texas, from the "star tribune" in minneapolis-st. paul, here are some of the scenes from that website. good morning, donald. caller: good morning. i'm listening at some of these callers coming in, i'm sick of

them. they pointing fingers at democrats, republicans. we already know the politicians going to take advantage of this and turn it into a political thing. but this is not the time for them to be pointing fingers at the democrat problem. it's a republican profpblet it's a society problem. we have policeman. i'm not saying all of them are bad. i'm 66 years old. i had an incident in st. louis when i was living there. we waved at each other. i went on. in missouri, ars, pulled me over, snatched me out of my truck, threw me up against it, handcuffed me, the whole time this lady running around hollering, and i'm asking they're calm down, you can cause me my life, what's the problem?

and the police got there with guns on me every time i tried to open my mouth. i'm calling you, and then started telling her, just say he's done it to the cops. and all the sudden they calms down, she talking about, he didn't do none of that to my car, and the police sit there and walked up to me and told me straight up, today is your lucky day, boy. host: darryl in new mexico. good morning, darryl. caller: good morning. so everybody is painting these police with a broad, broad brush. there's going to be individuals. police are individuals. so those people that did that in minneapolis, those were individuals that were completely wrong, and they happened to be police. there was no excuse for that. i'm not going say there ever was or ever will be. they have to be held accountable. also, you've got to remember that people have got to have

respect for the police, and the attitude that they come with the police is how they are going to be dealt with by the police. until people are taught respect in their families, in the community, to respect each other, to respect authority, if you have a problem with the police, you sit there, you shut your mouth, do you what they say, and when you're done, you can file a complaint or do what's necessary legally. but for you to stand there and try to think you're going get over on the police, at that moment you're going to come out a loser and you always will. i'm sorry to say that, but that's the way it should be. host: what would you tell george floyd's family? caller: again, i did not say that he is wrong. what i said is those police officers, the ones that did that were completely wrong. those were individuals that happen to be police. just like george floyd was black. everybody wants to make this a black-white issue. it was not. it was how a police officer dealt with a citizen.

so i am sick of the media trying to always make this when a black man is the victim. when a white man or a white woman is the victim perpetrated by a black person, the media does not do anything with the story. like those two poor people that got killed in the cemetery, the older white people visiting their son of day by a black man. no attention was done there. we just have a media that's perpetrating and inciting this violence for their own benefit. i'm sorry to say that. that's just how our media is set up. host: we'll go on to sheila, joining us from laurel, maryland. good morning, sheila. caller: good morning. this is sheila. i work at p.g. hospital. i retired at age of 80. i'm so sorry for what happened. i pray for the family. i pray every night, every night. since this happened, i cannot sleep. i'm so sorry.

but i know one day we going to the out in life but that's only way they listen to us. i'm so sorry. they should not loot. do not loot. do not loot. just walk the street, pray for the police, and pray for the guy. i pray for the family. thank you very much. host: thanks for at 80 retiring, so good for you. keep it up. james is joining from us riverview, florida. good morning, james. caller: good morning, c-span. you guys are doing a great job allowing the voice of the people. i send my prayers out to the family. and just to let you know, the reason things are happening the way they are is because of the election of donald trump. now, i'm not blaming trump for

everything, but he is the spear head of this. if you look at what's going on, let me just take your attention to this. people of america listen and heed, let the wisdom of god nourish the seed. peace on earth, peace right here in america is possible if we only tried to use god almighty as our guide, today as never before, we need god forevermore to help us with our differences. allowing us to agree to disagree. appreciate our uniqueness as descendants of the most high god, using love, honor, respect, knowledge, understanding wisdom, god's tools to solve problems of war, evil, and world hunger, all things are possible. for us, with god, including peace on earth. now, the president is like a caged animal. if you look at him, he's blaming the world health

organization. he's blaming china. he's blaming president obama. he's called president obama's name and president obama himself. but he's blaming the doctors, the governors, the state of new york, but anybody, but taking no responsibility for himself and his position. now, let's be honest. onald trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in the commission of crimes in the state of new york. let's just say, he's an impeached president. he caged children. he's shut down the economy. he comes and say, oh, i saved millions and millions of lives. there's nowhere in the world that there are millions of deaths. nowhere, except for here in the united states. and the hundreds of thousands of deaths in the people that are infected. host: i'm going to stop you there, because we only have a minute left. i wanted to get most of what you wanted to say. let's go next to florida. good morning, betty. caller: good morning, c-span.

i'm 88 years old. dwroipt call, because i've been down in the dumps. my house burnt down. but i have to call about this gentleman dying the other day. my grandson around two years and as stopped by the cop, he say, oh, the last thing he can remember, blood coming out of his nose, he kept begging, begging, begging. that was around 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. there was no camera or nothing to see what was going on. i thank god the other day there was cameras to see how those police -- and the thing about it, he didn't know anything -- he woke up in the hospital. that's all he remember coming back through, otherwise he don't remember going to the hospital or nothing. but it's insane what these cops are doing. that's a small community where i live at, and the cops, i didn't want no problem, so i

never speak about it. he was in two years in jail for nothing. but i just had to call you, c-span, to let you know, i'm sorry about how the protesters are doing, but we blacks got to learn how to treat each other before we can go out in the world and burn down people house, because we can't walk in our neighborhood because the black -- i'm just sorry for the whole thing. i'm a black american. love america. i'm afro, but i'm a black american. africans don't treat their blacks in america no different than the white. they don't like blacks. i just had to sandall let you know one thick about it, their police need to have more training, because they are really treating people -- look at all these businesses close up, and those are the same places we have to go for service. i'm hurting about it. host: thank you for the call.

this is the headline from the "philadelphia inquirer," peaceful philly protests over george floyd's death giving way to violence, looting, and arrests. bob is joining us from philadelphia. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think it that the point should be made that most of these people just have no other place to go. there's no jobs to go to. there's no social connection anymore. you can't even go to a gym anymore. you can't go to a restaurant. this is all just pent-up frustration from the lockdown. i mean, let's face it. all we needed was a spark to touch all of this off. i personally thought it was going to be food riots come hot summer. but it turns out it was the murder of this guy in minneapolis. so the roots are based in the lockdown. let's face it, there is no place to go. this is pent-up frustration by everybody. and that's the long and the short of it. and i'm not condoning the

murder of this gentleman in minneapolis. but i think that you have to look at the big picture here, and the big picture is that people are this is all just went up frustration. times,rom the l.a. demonstrations, protests, and violence. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to comment. we're not living in the 60's. we've come a long way since then.

even though terrible things keep happening and my heart goes out family, they are just criminals. is today,f the matter a black person is more likely to be murdered by another black person. excuseare just using an to be criminals. that's all i wanted to say. we appreciate it. we continue this conversation on facebook. of book is called the team five. joining us in just a moment is the author. it's a series of books pay some of the white house. kate andersen brower will join us for the next hour.

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five:en brower, team of the presidents club in the age of trump. she is joining us from maryland. thank you for being with us on c-span. i want to talk about the book. how president trump is dealing with the pandemic. there been five days of protests across the country. guest: it's not all that different from the way we view the presidency over the past three and a half years. partisan.ng it very a few hours ago, talking about democratic mayors not doing governors notatic doing enough. he is making it a partisan issue when he should be trying to be compassionate and bring people

together instead of divide them. that's been something we've seen with both the pandemic and these protests. --t: how did your book, back come about? guest: i had written some books about the white house. it's about what happens behind the scenes on inauguration day. it is such a dramatic day when one family moves in and another moves out. the public is looking at the capital. we'll watch the swearing-in ceremony. behind the scenes, there is controlled chaos at the white house. obama'sscinated by the taking off in the helicopter ride after president trump was sworn in. houselew over the white to look at the house they lived

in for eight years. they started their new lives as semi private citizens. when you suddenly go from being all-powerful to being on the sidelines. host: that includes an interview you did with the president which you recount in the book. these are some of the details.

guest: i think that speaks to how president trump views the presidency. he understands the importance of the job. he is the most powerful person in the world. thought i had to get that in the book. it could just be the story of bill clinton and their friendship. friendshipremarkable between these former presidents. that's been the case for decades. donaldo look at how trump had changed the presidents club. clinton and george w. bush are

closer now. they have more in common with each other than they do with president trump. that's what i wanted to look into, where does he fit into this club. he laughed when i asked him. he was very honest in the interview. he said he's not going to fit in very well. he is under no illusions where he fits in history. i think he sees that. host: we asked about that issue in july in an interview last summer. here is that exchange. clinton relied on richard nixon, have you reached out to any former presidents? >> not much. bit to the a little

father. it's hard when people are against you. situation where we've defeated the caliphate. i wanted to do that and we did it. can't call out. it was a mess. mean isis isn't doing what they do. we've done a great job. now for $7here trillion, thousands of lives. they went into a country that

did not not down the world trade center. it was not saddam hussein. down the world trade center. we get stuck in the quicksand. i call them the endless wars. host: that is president trump from july last year. he was a little bit softer when it came to questions. appreciated the gesture of being invited to george bushes funeral. his relationship with george w. bush is very strained. weording to my reporting, talked to his family and

friends, it's like the civil war. trump's presidency is like the civil war. conversation trump had with george w. bush was around brett kavanaugh who had worked for bush. bush called senators to try to get kavanaugh confirmed. they've only spoken twice on the phone. that was a long time ago. former presidents want to be of service and help, they feel like they can't do anything right now because they are teaming up against him. the story would be wire you uniting? donald trump is not part of this. in thehere is one story book involving jimmy carter, he will walk down the street to meet with family and friends.

ina quiet saturday evening april, he was about to -- guest: that is classic jimmy carter. i don't know if you have the he has his,

incredible sunday service he does. he and his wife live in a very modest ranch-style home that i went to. there and it was an incredible meeting. he is so very modest and different from trump. trump views carter is a fellow outsider. over the years, carter has criticized george w. bush and the war in iraq, the handling of hurricane to trina. he's been outspoken. he went to haiti, north korea, all over the world on behalf of the country. ofthe process, on behalf president clinton, he brought a cnn crew with them about what

happened. he does things his own way. sees a kinship with jimmy carter. whether orr question not trump was a legitimate president. he indicated carter was the only former president that he felt he had an affinity for because he was a fellow outsider. host: one photograph captured the presidents after barack obama was elected. kate andersen brower is joining us from her home. good morning. caller: good morning. it's nice to talk to you.

state -- voting straight democrat since 1972. i'm on the south side of chicago. of my wife with mr. obama when he ran in a fundraiser. i'm a little discouraged by what i'm reading in the news about this obamagate. actors.e some bad i'm hoping it doesn't come back to president obama. is there any author out there that will read a book about that is unbiased? there is so much bias in the news today. c-span is terrific. i'm afraid history will bend a little bit. host: thanks for the call.

think there are historians who will look at the trump presidency fairly. certainly ae is degree of liberal bias in the news. sometimes when you are saying things, trump is such a disruptor. him, interview with asked if he would go to president obama's library opening. to celebrate the legacy of the president that came before them. he said no. the not going to invite obama's to their portrait unveilings. think he's marking that

is a break. do these traditions matter? he decided not to move into the white house a because they wanted their son to stay in school in new york. that was something a modern first lady has done. it was an interesting move. she not be able to make those decisions for herself. also questioned traditions. host: the caller mentioned former president obama. comments he made for the graduation. he did not mention president trump, he was clearly on his mind. has pulled back the curtain on the idea that people in charge know what they are doing. a lot of them aren't even

pretending to be in charge. it's going to have to be up to you. with everything feeling like it's up for grabs, this is your time to seize the initiative. nobody should tell you to be waiting your turn. nobody can tell you this is how it's always been done. , yours your moment generation has the world to shape. host: what was your reaction? guest: i was surprised. obama has been quiet on the sideline. he's been criticized for that. he feels like he is in a bind. if he criticizes president it's a way to open eyes trump voters.

i think trump wants an enemy. obama makes for a good enemy. this conspiracy theory that is unproven. i think it does show the , president obama and president bush feel like this is a bridge too far. former trumpne official. the president feels more comfortable calling up autocrats like vladimir putin that he does talking to obama or bush. there's a problem with that. ?ould it be helpful for us disagree withe the war in iraq. a lot of people have problems

with clinton and bush and obama. they carry a certain moral authority. certainly jimmy carter does. especially now during a time of aroundc, what's going on the country, the unrest. presidents should come together. host: dorothy is next in north carolina. good morning. caller: i would like to address a couple of things. i just wanted to make a couple of statements please. no obamagate. fbi wason the investigating trump's campaign was because the fbi was listening to russia. trump's campaign people were talking to russia.

that's how they got involved with that. they had 150 contacts. the point. the thing i want to say about the president, trump has been dividing the country. he kind of hinted. he is the president. he is doing it. we've got videos. there is no hearsay. the divisiveness, one more thing , we know we are going to have an emergency.

trump is not a person who can deal with emergencies. he is not a strategic thinker. it's probably going to be handled terribly. there were republicans and democrats who said not enough is being done. that is going to be our next emergency. host: thanks for the call. let's go back to the second point. when the former president bush released the video praising the frontline workers, the trump response was where was he during impeachment? guest: that was remarkable to me. i wonder about the strategy behind some of that. it doesn't make a lot of sense. would say this

is wonderful, let's all come together. president trump used it to divide. that worked for him in 2016. we are going into election. honestly has disagreements with these presidents that came before him. like him or not, he has stuck by these convictions. in 20 years, you can look at what he said about everybody hating their own fair share. he has not changed. this has caused him to become more of who he is. he is done again. i think he wants to be accepted by these former residence. i think he feels like an outsider. it has worked for him before.

host: good morning on the phone from alabama. caller: thanks for accepting my call. i have a thought. it's about the five presidents and what president obama stated about future generations. thinks something i speaking with hundreds of people , the presidents, if they were with theogether, staffers we have that have put payroll, bring in their and their insurance in the same system that the states have. , systemssame thing

within our states. they have their own system. there are ways of incentivizing payrolls. to create productivity. staffers could produce if there payrolls and insurance were back home. host: thank you for the call. comment? do think to the larger point, i'm not sure if this is exactly what he's talking about, former presidents have cashed in on the presidency. became billionaires because misses obama is incredibly powerful. jimmy carter did not profit from the presidency.

truman, so worried about looking like he was endorsing companies, he would not sign his memoirs with a pan that had a brand name on it. since gerald ford joined corporate boards to make money, we've seen them earn an enormous amount of money. there is a business of profiting off the presidency that is unseemly. they have given lots of money to charity. the bushes and clinton's have done a lot of good as well. there is something about getting $500,000 for a speech, it seems ridiculous. host: our guest is kate andersen brower.

five."k is "team of she has contributed to the times, washington post, bloomberg businessweek. good morning. bookr: in regard to your that. i really like donald trump is not a politician. as we all know. the one thing you said right earlier, when you are interviewing him and he answered one of your questions straightforward. that speaks to me and that's the way i would rather have a president. the woman who called earlier and said he's the most divisive.

barack obama was the most divisive president we've ever had. a reaction to his comments? guest: i think he's right that votersng president trump like about him, he does tell it like it is. he says what he thinks. he speaks very plainly. there is an immediacy there. office, he the oval was leaning in on the desk. interested in these questions. into it. wanted to get he was very honest that he doesn't fit at all. point, that's

what appeals most to trump voters. host: what about the cover and the body language of that moment? you can see them relatively close together. there is some distance with jimmy carter. i know it's just a photograph, what does it tell you. guest: it took been a while to get that version of the photographs. many of them had jimmy carter further away. he was standing to the side. he is not part of this group in the way he would like to be. when he would call the obama white house, he would get a call back from the national security advisor. the carterntern in white house.

you're getting a return call from somebody who worked for you. you expect to be called back by the president. i think carter feels he hasn't been given the proper respect. host: good morning. caller: good morning, everyone. i wanted to ask the lady to questions. questions. when the riots happened when president obama was in office, what were his comments? i know what his comments were. they were the same as president trump's. these people keep calling in about separating children at the border. reasonas a very good

president obama built those cages to separate families. kidss to find out what belonged to what families. thank you for the call. any comment? exactly agree that obama had the same reaction as president trump had on twitter. aboutng to the point when i spoke to a spokesman for the bush family, they had a nationalization ceremony at the bush center. they are concerned that president trump will see that as a rebuke to him or antagonizing him. this is just something they would do anyway.

these things are now seen as attacks on the president. are you criticizing the president? you're not. but he sometimes sees these things personally. i don't know that answer her question. host: on friday, you indicated that the trump library would be in florida, not in new york city. guest: when i asked him, he said he hasn't given it much thought. the .1 of your collars made earlier, i think he is consumed i the day today. he's not given a ton of thought to the presidential library. he knows real estate better than anyone. it will either be in florida or new york. my thought it makes more sense to have it in florida.

especially has not welcomed donald trump. it doesn't make sense for him to have a presidential library there. mar-a-lago, who knows. it will be fascinating to see. i think he will write a book. trumpk a memoir by donald in the post presidency will have a lot of revelations in it. it will be much less guarded. host: good morning. caller: good morning. hijacked thehas republican party. he's not a conservative. he grew up in new york.

he grew up in queens. he has bamboozled the republican party. arereal conservatives looking at him destroying the party. to democrats opportunity is get him out of office and bring the country back. joe biden is not perfect. he is a lot better than trump at this point. thanks for taking my call. i interviewed joe biden several times. he will fit into the presidents club in a way that donald trump won't. he reached across the aisle when he was a senator. he cares very much about the institutions. also about these

relationships and friendships between republicans and democrats. respect, always been even admiration. bush andstory about the last present he saw before he passed away was barack obama. fora had a lot of respect bush 41. he was among the last of the greatest generation, he was a world war ii hero. there will be a time when people go back to this feeling of respect and admiration that former presidents have traditionally had for one another. host: in the book you read the

obviously felt like he was handed a big mess. i also found him very defensive. at one point, he summoned his assistant to list his accomplishments. it was a list. having covered barack obama, i couldn't imagine obama doing something like that, handing a list of his accomplishments. there is a certain level of

feeling that he is an outsider. he has to convince reporters and historians to give him credit. i was struck by that. brought in eight top secret letter from the north korean leader and showed that to me in both english and korean. no one else has been able to do this. he is an outsider. reporters are not being fair to him. i think he saw our interview is a chance to be heard. host: arlington, virginia. good morning. caller: i have a comment and a question. i read your other book and really liked it. aboutstion is you talked traditions and norms. obama, they used the which was aer,

foreign source. they supplied it to the fisa tort to embed spies and try bring down the presidency. what other presidents have used this to spy out and bring down political opponents? that thisme point out wednesday, the judiciary committee will hold a hearing on the origin of the investigation. guest: this is an interesting question. watergate.think of it's not a perfect example of that. it's also interesting. it came out in 2015. it feels like that was 20 years ago because so much has changed.

gottenlike now it's increasingly worse and worse. sides.are taking to showbook, i'm going the way presidents have come together and have somebody like bill clinton who in 92 ran against george bush. the family did not like him at all. they came together after the asian tsunami and raised money. i'm looking at the presidency through those eyes. chapter on cashing in and how these people have made so much money. host: the new cycle moves so quickly. the twitter story that was front and center wednesday and

thursday may have subsided because of the demonstrations over the weekend. this is the headline. what you need to know about the showdown after the executive order. ofasked him about his use twitter. we will show you that in get your reaction. >> do you ever regret sending out tweets? >> not much. i sent the one about the wiretapping. that turned out to be true. called by my people. the reason it turned out to be such a big deal is it turned out to be true. the bigger problem are the

retweets. it turns out to be from not the best player in the world. no. not at all. it's a modern-day form of communication. it, it'ss i do breaking news. president has just said good morning. it's an incredible way of communicating. host: you write about this in your book as well. that: one of the things infuriated barack obama was the wiretapping allegations. seeven went to his staff to what they had put together that he did not wiretap donald trump. i was surprised by that.

careful and does not come back strongly against trump. that wasn't strong enough for his liking. obamapeaks a lot to how feels pushed into a corner. tweets, the media does cover it. he can more directly communicate with people and not have to go through the traditional channels of reporters. organization,ews you're not doing your job. you have to highlight that. he found a way of communicating. he has been very shrewd.

it's an amazing use of the power of the presidency. host: not only for twitter but also facebook on social media. it's very concerning. important thatry you are the most powerful person in the world. thoughtful be very and what you are communicating. that's what he thinks. sometimes that's at 4:00 in the morning. he said he has no trouble sleeping. timestamps,at the you have to wonder if he's up all night. tweets, hef those he needs to bend

truthful. host: thanks for waiting in chicago. good morning. things.just a couple of please bear with me. if trump says it like it is, those comments drive me crazy. i'm going to get back to that. dossier, you steel reminded me there is going to be some hearings this week and i wasthe russians wondering if the author paid freedom fest of 2015 when trump unexpectedly arrived and took a question from be withwho pretended to the nra.

she was in jail for 18 months. now she's sentenced to 18 years. accomplishments or his tweets, i'm reading a tweet from trump. july 5, 2018. broken more elton john records. he seems to have a lot of records. and i don't have a musical instrument. or organ.ve a guitar helping.ther people we've broken a lot of records. we've broken virtually every record. i only need the space.

they need much more room for basketball, hockey. they need a lot of room. host: i believe that there. we will get a response from our guest. he is a master of hyperbole. he said he would be the most popular hearse and in europe. he knows real estate better than everybody. this is what people like about him. i think we are to continue to see him do it. it gets attention. he is so different from the presidents who came before him, especially from obama. took a long time to answer questions, he was very thoughtful.

people want somebody who will quickly get to the point and not make things too complicated. that's why a lot of people voted for him. host: david is next from south carolina. caller: good morning. this is a slightly different perspective. such a long shot during the primaries. even beingted, nominated, came to a huge surprise. i did not consider myself racist. president obama was elected. i just felt good for the other side. i had a very warm feeling.

term, and of the second of of americans were tired hearing about race. i think the election of donald trump was a reactionary movement. people were tired of hearing about race in almost every issue. as a movement to what we had under president obama. that's what i think. host: we will get a response. guest: i think back to when i was reporting my book. mostly african-american butlers served the president.

one of them was 91 and passed away from coronavirus recently. remember talking to wilson and several of the butlers. obama's, theirhe eyes filled with tears. they never thought that day would come. they had lived through segregation. michelle obama talking about living in a house built by slaves. i know george w. bush was very emotional the night that obama was elected. there is something very important about that to remember , also was happening inside the white house. photograph innic 2009.

he was 91 years old. liz in georgia, good morning. caller: i always enjoy you so much as a moderator. i am finding this conversation interesting. said, new york caller he's also been documented telling over 20,000 lies. arementioned the obamas the trumpng, not only family but the kushner family -- he continues to profit.

that upsets me. i enjoy listening to. provide the other side. host: thank you. i am a historian and a journalist. i'm not trying to take sides. it's almost impossible now. things have gotten so out of whack and unethical. in the book i point that out. the larger point the book makes is look at the way it used to be. look at the way the obama's and the bushes and jimmy carter came together in the past. reagan sent several presidents to anwar sadat's funeral. incredible side of

former presidents and they are on the plane. it is jimmy carter in gerald ford. there was a lot of bad blood between them. they became friends on that trip. carter.ord asked jimmy when i asked him about it, he was emotional. gerald ford is someone he thinks about a lot. we would ride together in the car so we can talk. we loved long trips. that gave us more time together. this is about those friendships across party lines. it's not about the steele dossier and wants going on with constantlynn and the chaos in controversy. it's about trying to put that in

the framework of what we need today. he said he's open to a friendship with bill clinton. think back to the election, donald trump invited women who had accused bill clinton of ra pe to a debate with hillary clinton. how can you ever move the on that? it's got so vicious. it is become such a blood sport. i think it has changed the way former presidents will interact going forward. host: let's go to barbara in oklahoma city. she keeps talking about how honest and bright this man is. i have two things.

hired for 50who years. $25 year he had to pay million. he is being sued by them again. he doesn't pay them. they have to sue him. it's just been kicked under the rug. hired 20hner said we of them. they do hire them. us over and over and over. i don't know why we don't talk about that. university, he sets up

something and steals every penny you have to go to college. you don't have a college. what kind of person does that? host: thank you. guest: i am not somebody who is defending donald trump it anyway. when i was saying is in a very ralliesay on twitter in , he gets people revved up. you can disagree with it and disagree with what he says, absolutely. i think there is a contrast between the kind of thoughtful approach that president obama , theor even george w. bush compassionate conservatism that george bush talked about.

there is such a contrast with is talkingp, who about america first. it's a very different approach. he didn't win the popular vote. it works for him. i'm looking at this through that lens and that historical lens. country.iding the sad.in a wave is very "the the book is titled team of five." one other development since we've been following the story, the g7 was going to be in florida. david, ited to camp was going to be in washington. angela merkel says she is unable to attend. what does that tell you?

these fractured relationships are not only between donald trump and his predecessors, they are between donald trump in the world. wills created a lot of ill . it is so strange. i think we see that again and again. i interviewed several people who were top cabinet officials. they were shocked by some of the things he said about his predecessors and foreign leaders. it was a disrespectful way he spoke about them privately. it speaks to these fractured relationships. host: kate andersen brower joining us from her home in maryland. good luck with the book.

, thee republicans judiciary committee looks into the origin of the russian investigation. you can watch it live. is aus on the phone justice department reporter for the washington times. thank you for being with us. walk us through the genesis of the hearings. guest: how this hearing started was lindsey graham, he has been promising for a long time hearings into the origins of the russia probe, how it began with the fbi in the justice department in 2016 and later morphed into the mueller probe. we are starting to see the first hearing and what he promises will be several lengthy hearings with other obama era officials. the first will be rod rosenstein

, he was the deputy attorney general under jeff sessions. whitaker was matt in there. he left shortly after bill moore took over. -- bill barr took over. thesignature is in some of pfizer renewal. they suspected he was a russian spy or working with russia. it was his decision to appoint robert mueller as the special investigator to look into alleged ties between the trump campaign and russia. he also stood next to william barr when william barr announced they would not pursue obstruction after the second volume of the mueller report came out. he also stood by william barr

when he explained robert mueller could not conclude there was any evidence that russia and the trump campaign had colluded. anything with this russia probe, he has had his fingerprints on. host: coming as the fall campaign begins in earnest between the biden campaign and the trump campaign. how much of this is getting to the facts and how much is presidential politics? guest: these hearings are largely presidential politics. for republicans, they will try to score points by getting him to admit there was not a lot of evidence, there was no evidence that the russia probe was justified, no evidence the trump campaign had colluded with russia. they will try to get him to admit michael flynn was set up. on the democrat side, they will want him to point out it was justified.

they want him to talk about evidence that led the fbi and the justice department to the russia probe. they will want to get into why the mueller probe was justified in both sides are looking to score points. a man without is a party as he appears before the lawmakers. the republicans do not like him because they blame him for the mueller probe, the russia investigation. democrats don't like him because he stood by william barr when william barr announced there was no evidence the trump campaign colluded with russia. trump ofarr cleared obstruction of justice. a lot of people look at him standing by william barr as an endorsement of what the attorney general was saying. he is going into this without a lot of friends on either side. host: we are talking with jeff mordock.

the senate judiciary committee live on c-span, c-span.org and c-span radio. we will hear the term crossfire hurricane a lot in the coming days. can you explain? guest: crossfire hurricane was the name the fbi k2 the investigation -- the russia investigation. that was the code they were using. warrants, that was part of the crossfire hurricane. probe morphedsia into the mueller investigation, the fbi and justice department dubbed it crossfire hurricane. it,the little offshoots of they had that crossfire designation. week's hearing, we

will look for your work at washington times. we have posted some of the preliminary information from the hearing on our website, c-span.org. john malcolm is joining us. he is a vice president for the heritage foundation. thank you for being with us. what are you looking for this week in that hearing? guest: it will be very interesting to hear what rod rosenstein has to say. full disclosure, i work with rod rosenstein and consider myself to be a friend of his. he will be asked a lot of tough questions. i suspect he will be asked about what evidence he saw in may of 2017 when he appointed robert mueller as special counsel. it is now known there were a lot of officials that appeared behind closed doors in the house

intelligence committee and they all said they did not see any direct evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. what did rod rosenstein see that made him open that up? as your last guest just said, one month later, rod rosenstein's name, he is on the warrant, there were many glaring omissions and misstatements in those warrants, what factual investigation did he do to look into that and the steele dossier, which served as the backbone? memorandum, he advised the president, there were solid grounds to fire jim comey. all of a sudden, bob mueller turns around and uses that firing as a predicate to investigate whether or not the

president obstructed justice. why did rod rosenstein expand mueller's mandate to cover that sort of thing. generally, rod rosenstein has said at various times he was told the president was not a suspect, that there was no evidence tying the president to any alleged collusion. rosenstein say that to the president or say that publicly, rather than putting the country through what we have gone through the last three years? those will be some of the questions i assume. host: our phone lines are open. (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 if you are a republican. about generalyou michael flynn. what did he do, what to do not do that led to his firing? firing,hat led to his

michael flynn was the designated national security advisor. 2016, there were a series of conversations with the then russian ambassador and the question of sanctions came up. there was a leak to the washington post, which published an article about that conversation. the vice president talked to flynn and then went on television and said, sanctions had not come up, and it turned out sanctions did come up. the vice president went to the president and said he made me look bad on national television, he should be fired. he was fired 24 days after he became national security advisor. with on, he was charged

lying to the fbi during what can only be characterized as an ambush interview on january 24, 2017, only two days after he became national security advisor, and that led to all of his court problems. host: i understand the point of the ambush interview, but to be clear, he did lie, correct? guest: i don't think that is clear at all anymore. the reason why i say that is , as of a couple days ago, a transcript of that call has come up. what the fbi asked him during the interview, the original memorandum of the interview has somehow been lost, or never been produced. they asked him, did you tell the russians to refrain from issuing sanctions against the united states? he said i do not recall saying

that, and it turns out from the transcript, he did not sit up. he said cooler heads need to prevail. he said they should not escalate the situation, and he sanctions they imposed should be reciprocal. i think it is unclear if he told a lie. were alle did, there kinds of other problems with the case and his motion to withdraw should be granted and let the chips to fall where they may. host: this is a letter that was unclassified, it is available on c-span.org, it was released on friday. it also includes the declassified conversation that took place on the 29th of -- 2016.in 2006 let's get to phone calls. dan is first up from independence, oregon. good morning. as he is inong

charge of the attorney general, we will get no justice in the united states. not at all. the attorney general claims he does not want to see the justice department politicized during the process. [video clip] decades, there have been increasing attempts to use the criminal justice system as a political weapon. ginlegal tactic has been to up allocations of criminality by one's political opponents based on the flimsiest of legal theories. this is not a good development, this is not good for our political life, and it is not good for the criminal justice system. as long as i am attorney general, the criminal justice system will not be used for

partisan political reasons. this is especially true for the in november.tions we live in a very divided country right now, and i think it is critical that we have an election where the american people are allowed to make the decision, a choice between president trump and vice president biden based on a robust debate of policy issues. we cannot allow this process to be hijacked by efforts to drum up criminal investigations of either candidate. i am committed that this election will be conducted without this kind of interference. any effort to pursue an investigation of either candidate has to be approved by me. host: that is when the attorney

-- yourbill barr and reaction? assistantas deputy attorney general. i don't disagree with anything that bill barr just said. i don't think anyone from either party wants to see the most important and prominent law enforcement agency in the country, not to mention the intelligence committee, weaponize for political purposes. that is what happens in totalitarian regimes. it should not happen in this country. if it did happen in this country, and that investigation is still ongoing, we will find out if it did happen. if it did, i assume measures will be taken to minimize the fact that might ever happen again. host: the vice president of the institute of constitutional government at the heritage

foundation, john malcolm. good morning from marshall, virginia. caller: good morning. please,, bob barr's testimony makes you want to throw up. why is it that the fbi was supposed to know the results of their investigation and determined that there was no collusion? the investigation most of us to go forward and determine if there was collusion. everyone is running around and talking about, they knew that they knew. any investigative unit does not know anything comprehensively until they run investigation. thank you. host: thank you. guest: let me respond to that. i agree in part with what bob said. first of all, it is bill barr, not bob barr.

when the fbi takes on an investigation, you do not know what the results will be until you complete it. when you are undertaking an investigation, particularly one of a politically sensitive operationcluding midyear looking into the clinton email server issue, you want to make sure there is a solid factual predicate before you undertake that investigation. i think it has been made clear. presidentointed by obama to that position. there was no factual predicate to undertake that investigation. were dependent on the steele dossier that was paid for by the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic national committee. none of the information in it

was verified. the the fbi had information at the time that refuted what was in the steele dossier. when the fbi applied for a warrant, the standard is the warrant has to be accurate. found, there were at errors, glaring misstatements and errors that made it clear those warrants never should have been sought in the first place. that was the predicate for beginning operation crossfire hurricane. host: bill is next in virginia beach. good morning. caller: i would like to see a presidential pardon for the general. secondly, i would like to know

if it is possible to reimburse the general for all the money he spent for legal fees and expenses, such as he had to sell his house and depleted savings to defend himself. if this is possible, what would it take to do it? host: thank you. john malcolm. guest: thank you for the question. as for a presidential pardon for general flynn, we will see if the president does that or if it is even necessary. at the moment, general flynn has moved to withdraw his guilty plea. filed to been a motion dismiss the charges. it means not only with the charges be dismissed, they could not be brought again in the future. that issue is being brought into court at the moment. judge,rt of the trial

because he has ordered -- a friend of the court, former prosecutor to argue against the government's motion, general filed withorney has the d.c. court of appeals to get judge sullivan to overturn. i believe that is likely to be granted. if that is the case, judge sullivan or whichever judge is appointed to replace them, would have to grant the government's motion to dismiss and there would be no reason to pardon general flynn. back, ietting his fees believe there is a mechanism for that. we will see whether or not that happens. host: does the president bear some responsibility for the mueller investigation, because it was his firing of james comey that sparked a call for that independent investigation?

guest: many things to say to that. as i started out saying, there were plenty of good reasons to fire former fbi director james comey, who i also worked with at the department of justice. rod rosenstein laid them out in a memorandum. if anyone has questioned, they can read inspector horwitz's report about the conduct during the clinton email server investigation. he violated all kinds of protocol in respect to triggering the call for counsel. he did that by leaking information to a friend of his who is a columbia law professor, to the new york times, and he did it for the purpose of trying to get a special counsel appointed. there was some manipulation involving misconduct by james comey in my opinion. int: let's go to larry

tuscaloosa, alabama. you are on the are with john malcolm from the heritage foundation. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing this morning? host: we are good. caller: you brought up a good to general the line who might beneral close to getting off. off, general flynn signed also his attorney signed off on an agreement that he lied to the fbi, why would you think that it is not legal when both the attorney and the person who said they lied? i would like to ask you, your

guest, why would you think that general flynn's son, who also brought up against hillary clinton when she was running for , she brought up, why would anybody bring up something about, she did something to defend someone who is defending a person who was defending a child molester, which was brought up by general flynn's son. i don't understand that. maybe you can explain that. i would like to thank you for bringing that point up. why would someone lie, and then turn around and have his attorney signed off on it saying they lied? that does it make any sense. host: larry, thank you from alabama. guest: thank you for the question. i am afraid i don't understand

the second part of your question. i don't know anything about , hillarylynn's son clinton, or any statement that was made. in respect to the first part of your question, there are a lot of reasons why the general's motion should be withdrawn. i agree with you that the vast majority -- the overwhelming majority of the time, when someone enters a guilty plea, that is it. in addition to being a deputy assistant attorney general, for seven years, i was an assistant u.s. attorney. i have been in court when a lot of people have pled guilty. here, there were certain circumstances. disclosedbi never things like the transcript, the original fbi memorandum of interview, it is referred to as a 302. they never told general flynn

what the factual basis was that he had lied. there is reason to doubt there ever was a factual basis for that crime. two other problems. there were other ethical obligations that the government failed to comply with. for instance, they did not turn over to general flynn the fact that after the initial interview agentmpleted, the two fbi who interviewed him came back and said, we believe the guy. another thing that was never disclosed, certainly not to the court, the fbi was investigating general flynn and his son for something else. they apparently made a wink- wink, nod-nod promised to the general that if he pled guilty to this line to the fbi charge, they would leave him and his son

alone in respect to this other charge. that was never disclosed to the court and they have an ethical obligation to turn that information over to general flynn and the court. other information was not turned over to general flynn. before the interview with general flynn, there was a meeting that took place with fbi director jim comey in which the head of counterintelligence wrote notes that asked, why are we doing this interview? the agents investing in the case recommended it be closed. they found no information that would indicate general flynn has been charged with a crime. are we doing this to try to trick him into lying and prosecute him, or are we trying to get him fired? that is something the fbi has no business doing. none of that was turned over to general flynn. another problem is the original attorneys that represented general flynn had a conflict of interest. the other matter the fbi was

investigating was whether general flynn and his son violated the foreign agents registration act, referred to as fara, for a consulting business they did for a dutch company. filingblem is the fara with the federal government was done by general flynn's attorneys. if the fbi was looking at general flynn and his son for their conduct lidded to those filings, they were definitely also looking at the conduct of his attorneys. his attorneys faced a conflict of interest. they knew if he pled guilty to this lying charge over here, the other conduct, including their conduct, would be swept under the rug. they had a conflict. they never discussed the conflict with general flynn, and general flynn was pressured, if you will, by then to enter a

guilty plea. once he got rid of those attorneys and got his current attorneys and got conflict free advice, he decided he had been wrongly pressured for all sorts of reasons to enter that plea and that is why he has filed a motion to withdraw his plea. rareee, it is very, very that those motions should be granted, this is one of those times. host: we are talking with john malcolm. he is a graduate of columbia college. he earned his law degree from harvard. a preview of the hearing we will be covering, it gets underway this wednesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. the chairman is lindsey graham and is called the oversight of the crossfire hurricane investigation, day 1. isaac is joining us from baltimore. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call today. i had a question and a comment.

i am concerned about the business history i am hearing this morning. my question is, based on everything you said, are we supposed to forget that after everything that is happened with the michael flynn firing and everything that transpired after that, which actually are we did discover the trump campaign had multiple contracts with russia, we did discover donald trump hired james comey. we also discovered that there were multiple instances of obstruction of obstruction of justice. he was at a point where he was impeached from office, the u.s. senate decided, you know what, he is guilty, he did it, but it is not enough to remove him from office. based on what you are saying today, are you asking the --rican public

everything that happened with james comey and michael flynn and what was discovered after that, we are supposed to forget that and give michael flynn a pass and let donald trump go scott free? i am getting tired of hearing about how everyone should be held accountable for his actions except for donald trump. everyone else is guilty, everyone else is lying, needs to be held responsible, but donald trump does not. my question to you is, are we supposed to forget that after everything that happened because of michael flynn, we are supposed to let that go and pretend it never happened? host: we will get a response. guest: i appreciate your perspective, i do not believe in partaking in revisionist's history. there has been no evidence of collusion between the trump

campaign and the russians. that was pretty definitively established by none other than special counsel robert mueller and his rather exhaustive 400 page report on just that aspect. oddou look at the 50 some interviews behind closed doors in the house intelligence , they all go in and they testify and they say that they saw no evidence. they saw things that were suggestive, but they had no solid evidence of any collusion. with respect to obstruction, special counsel mueller did not come to the conclusion that obstruction had taken place. as i already pointed out, the president had all sorts of good reasons that were politically motivated. he had completely objective reasons why james comey should

be fired. at the time, the democrats were not terribly happy with jim comey because he came out on the people of the election and said he would reopen the clinton email server investigation because of classified emails that were found on the laptop of anthony weiner, the former congressman from new york. statement the senators believe trump was guilty but somehow acquitted him at the impeachment trial anyway, i don't know where that came from. there was only one vote from mitt romney on one charge to convict the president. practicallylse was along party lines, both the original impeachment, which i think there were crossover from democrats and said he should not be impeached. i don't know where you came up with the idea that they thought

he was guilty and acquitted him anyway. i thought the evidence was flimsy, but you obviously have a different view. host: catherine from texas, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. malcolm for mr. being on the show. there is so much of the general flynn investigation and the mueller investigation that much the public so money. there was a faction of journalists that pushed a story with no integrity. will journalists at some point be held accountable for being a narrative setter that pushes a political agenda rather than reporting the facts so we, the american people, can have an actual understanding of what is really going on in d.c.? guest: i don't know if journalists will be held accountable or not, but there

are a lot of troubling things about general flynn's case that we have not touched upon. fired, heynn, he was had been appointed by president obama is the head of the defense intelligence agency, and he was fired by president obama. president obama was very flynn was- general critical of president obama's middle east policy. thought the intelligence committee had been politicized. he became an advisor to president trump. he basically knew where the bodies were buried in reform letting the intelligence committee. he was taking on some very powerful interests. there have been some disturbing things that have happened. when president obama met with president, he said there were only two people in the world he

considered to be untrustworthy and dangerous -- kim jong-un of north korea, and michael flynn. michael flynn had previously said,n a book in which he he is a totalitarian dictator who does not have our interests in mind. the thought he was going to be a russian influence was disturbing. , between election election day and inauguration made39 top obama officials 53 requests to unmask general flynn's identity from recorded conversations with foreign officials. michael flynn at that point was the designated national security advisor. it was his job to have conversations with foreign

officials during the transition period to the trump administration. the fact that 39 officials were trying to find out what michael flynn was doing raises all kinds of red flags. host: the hearing taking place this week, john malcolm from the heritage foundation, we thank you for being with us. guest: thank you. host: we look at the feed from nasa as spacex continues its orbit. it is about one hour from its lab,zvous with the space which is orbiting the earth at 17,500 miles per hour. these are live pictures courtesy of nasa. we will listen to this for just a moment. we will get to your calls on the future of spacex at (202) 748-8000 if you live in the eastern or central time zones. (202) 748-8001 for those of you out west.

the future of america's space program and this spacex mission. right now, we will listen live, courtesy of nasa. heard the core and calling insideected fuel usage dragon, they will keep a close eye on that to make sure they are not overusing the propellant and we have good margins for approach maneuvers and everything at the end of the mission itself. >> we are following along with you. >> the thrusters we expect to trunk.ing are on the you will see the shot on your

screen. 9 rocket spacex falcon which blasted off from the kennedy space center, is designed to do the docking on its own, but the two astronauts are prepared if anything goes wrong. we will watch the docking underway at around 10:30 eastern time. our phone lines are open. this is the first time in nine (202)we have fed -- 748-8000 four those in the eastern or central time zones. those of you out west, (202) 748-8001. in case you missed it yesterday afternoon, here is the launch from cape canaveral. [video clip] 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. ignition. lift off, the falcon 9 crew

dragon, go nasa, go spacex, godspeed bob and doug. that from yesterday, a magnificent sight off the coast of florida. 19 hours later, as the two u.s. astronauts make their way to the u.s. space station, the first time in nearly a decade that we have launched a manned space program from u.s. soil. we will continue to watch courtesy of nasa and spacex. we will get your phone calls in just a moment. live in8-8000 if you the eastern or central time zones. what this means for the u.s., this spacex mission. for those of you out west, (202)

748-8001. at 10:30 eastern time, we will have live coverage of the docking that should be done automatically, but the crew can help as well. caller: good morning. this is richard gilmore from lynchburg. host: if you turn the volume down, we are hearing some feedback. and then please go ahead. caller: i am sorry. are you all right now? host: we are good. please go ahead. caller: the rocket was such a wanted and trump really it to go hard and get it done. those people did this, everybody, everybody did this. it was not just a few people, everybody did their job exactly right and help each other. ais rocket went off without

hitch. feat.a remarkable it is a shame that we as americans can't gather ourselves up together and go on and make a rocket out of the united states like they did with that rocket. host: this is the headline from the washington post. the spacex rocket launches a new era in u.s. space explanation. kathleen from north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say i am so proud astronautsk and are for taking the risk and getting us back into space. i think it is phenomenal and i just want to thank them and say god bless.

host: thank you. let's listen in for just a moment. theutting dragon now off docking access. continue these maneuvers. at this point, we should see them head up to the right and up from this view. they are making very small adjustments in the dragon's positioning in front of the space station right now. here comes translation. host: again, a window into this marvelous scene in space. we will have live coverage when it takes place 10:30 eastern time on space.com. elon musk overcome with emotion after the successful launch yesterday. in denver, larry, good morning.

caller: good morning, how are you today? host: good. how are you? caller: i thought it was a nice contrast to look at this space launch today. when i see what america has done in the space frontier. launchedme time they this rocket, they were having disturbances on the ground because of racial issues that have been going on to this country from the beginning. i thought it was a heck of a contrast -- all of the progress and emphasis that white america puts into space travel, and they put absolutely none into the things that really matter, and that is the relationships with each other. i just thought it was a heck of a contrast. host: michael in conway, massachusetts. this is the headline from -- historic test flight of the

spacex crew dragon. michael, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? it is a beautiful morning here. last week, i looked up at the stars and how i thought the universe belongs to all of us. last night, i looked up at the we arend i believed prepared to give that property to one man. courtesy of the united states universe thate a no longer belongs to us that we pay rent for. as a caller before that mentioned -- we have a lot of issues on the ground that we for ao prefer paying private ship. thank you. host: there are three people

aboard the international space station -- two russian cosmonauts and one astronaut. the washington post is describing this as a carefully choreographed dance and a dangerous one. keep in mind, the space station is traveling the earth's atmosphere at 17,500 miles per hour. these are live pictures from nasa. getting your reaction about what this means for the space program. lee from illinois, good morning. caller: i watched this launch yesterday with my five-year-old and i thought it was very inspirational, positive. apart from the other stuff that is going on in this country. i think it is a good thing that we pick up the slack of air our duties of manning the international space

station. i think this is a good thing. to have a public-private partnership is a good idea, as well. i think it went good and that is all i have to say. host: thank you. a moment with your son. peggy is next from georgia, good morning. caller: good morning. emphasize whato everyone seems to be saying, it is a very proud moment and everyone was excited in our family to watch this. we have family in canada, who was watching it. we could all see the same pictures. i just want to thank the news and everyone getting together to broadcast this. it was a big moment and we planned our whole day around it. it is just exciting. host: astronauts are referring to each other as bob and doug.

they will stay on board the space station for at least one month, perhaps four months. four months. their return has not been finalized. that is tbd from nasa and spacex . caller: ok. host: are you still with us? caller: i am. host: please go ahead. caller: i want to say i am proud to be an american. i am a 70-year-old woman who has been through a lot of things and this is amazing. i am so proud of them. host: let's go to henderson, nevada. caller: good morning. host: good morning. usler: my husband, both of have been in aerospace for many, many years, and we are so proud

of america and elon musk. he is the ironman. amazing. host: thank you for the call. these are live pictures print at the top of the hour, you can listen in its entirety. manually, ifone necessary, or by robotics. they have tested this on numerous occasions without any issues or flaws. they are hoping this time, the time that really counts, that they will be able to do this. new york, good money. caller: good morning, how are you? we had to go to russia to bring our members up to the space we could do itw ourselves. i think we have the greatest

president ever, and he is bringing things back to this country that we used to have to bring to other countries. it is the greatest thing we have ever done. host: what will happen in about 45 minutes is once the dragon and the station are securely attached to each other, the two u.s. astronauts will conduct leak checks to make sure they are maintaining correct pressure and then welcomed the hatch and be welcomed aboard the international space station. that gets underway in 45 minutes. peter is joining us from new jersey. good morning. caller: this is really fun. from the bottom left to the upper right, those shots you are showing, what is the difference around what is floating in the actual station? can you give us a distance? host: i cannot give you an accurate answer on that. i know how fast the space

station is moving in the pictures make it much slower than it actually is. why do you ask that question? caller: it would be nice to know the perspective of how far one item is from the other because they are traveling at the same speed, i am assuming. host: it is incredible, is in it? when you think about the technology, where we were with the mercury program, the apollo program, and where we are today. caller: it is so much fun. the dark could go on side of the moon and get shots of that. host: the last u.s. man space program was atlantis back in 2011. phoenix, arizona. good morning. caller: good morning. obviously, all of us are really

proud of the technology. i tend to think we forget how risky and dangerous all of this is. you can really see the improvement in technology in the interior of the dragon. is aeality is that it dangerous venture. we tend to think of the movies and star trek, and we forget how two test how brave the pilots are. proud of, we are all the technology in the improvements, but in the end, we need to make a national commitment to have an ongoing and sustainable program in which we can constantly see these types of ventures. i don't mean to be overly

poetic. host: i appreciate the call. post,nside the washington this is the crowd yesterday in titusville, florida, as those onlookers leaving a bridge that was shut down along the indian river in titusville to get an up close look at the launch. a big day from the space program that was initially delayed because of weather issues. no problems yesterday with the lodge. next is rich from florida. good morning. caller: good morning. the reason i was calling in is i am a retired rocket scientist. i worked on the apollo missions. i worked on the space shuttle. i was part of the design team for the engines on the shuttle. impressed, this stuff just

hits me so deeply to see how far the technology has come. fort inside the capsule apollo 13 when we were doing final checkouts in southern california. everything in their looked like a videogame. look likeing in there a videogame. i am so impressed with how far everything has gone. host: can you stay on the line for a minute? we had an earlier caller who wanted perspective on how far it is from the international space station. you have any perspective on that? caller: separation distance? host: yes. caller: no, i don't. we can see them, obviously, but i have no way to know how far it is. i doubt it is any more than a couple of miles.

it is difficult to judge. host: what are we looking at right now, based on your expertise as a retired rocket scientist? caller: we are looking at the capture sequence -- they are coming up for rendezvous, which they do very slowly. rush up there,to you don't want things banging into each other. onre is directional activity dragon that is nothing more than high-pressure helium that gets released and acts as a thruster. been in usehat has for many years. it is being perfected here. everything that is being shown, we did at one point in time. , they are doing it so much better now. it is scary. i wish i was younger and in

still part of the team. host: can you stay with us for a minute? caller: i am not in any rush. host: you can watch all of this live on c-span at 10:29 a.m. eastern time will be the docking. time, the hatch will open and there will be a welcoming ceremony at 1:15 eastern time. walk us through those three moments. caller: the docking -- it is referred to as the capture event -- the capsule will come in, it will aim at a specific hatch at the space station. there are latches involved, you have to bring it in very, very slowly. examinesre device sequence, the event, so the two are aligned. oute are fingers that come and latch together and pull the

capsule with a tight seal on the space station. are that is done, the two mated by these hooks and they will go through and do all of the diagnostics to make sure everything is where it should be. when they get that done, there is a hatch that will be open, the capsule will be pressurized to the same pressure on the space station -- it is not atmospheric. at that point, they just float through. the hatch is about three feet in diameter. i don't remember exactly. that will stay attached for the duration of the mission, which is not determined at this point, between one and four months. cycle, geteverse the back in the dragon, disconnect and do a reentry profile. host: what is the backup plan?

on whatback ups depend goes wrong. is they dockup plan not latch properly, or the do not make rendezvous and capture properly, in which case the orbit, andelf is in they can go through the de-orbit procedure they would go through when they leave when the mission is complete. motorsll fire the retro killard dragon capsule and the velocity down to the point where it comes in. host: you clearly know your stuff and we are grateful you phoned in randomly and sharing your expertise. what is this mean for the united states, this spacex mission,

your answer is what? caller: we are charting unknown territory. i want to make a short statement musk, thank elon you very much for what you did. he risked his entire life savings etc. to make this happen. elon, thank you very much. i have not seen his name up there. they are thanking everyone else other than the guy who made it happen. what i see now is to start of a whole new era. when we were working for nasa, working as subcontractors to nasa, i was not a nasa employee, i work for another company, we were semi-military. it was very structured, very tight. i looked down at the new generation that is down there doing this, some of these guys are younger than my children.

it is a whole new exciting thing. questions,swering how come we could not do this before? we could, we just never did. different andre they recognized that. booster stage come absolutelynd, it is awesome. we were doing tests on things like that 30 years ago, but not to the point we are now. is technology growth staggering, and we are seeing that. the computing capability -- keep in mind, we sent a man to the moon with computing capability less than you carry around in your cell phone. we are seeing what that can do. if we can keep that technology and in the right direction, there is no telling where it can

take us. host: you have added a lot to this conversation, i am glad you phoned in. that is the space station, right? caller: yes. that is the space station and the dragon capsule. host: thank you for your time. caller: my pleasure entirely. host: scott is joining us from elizabeth, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine, scott. caller: it is interesting the past couple of days, what we are seeing on planet earth, and the tomfoolery going on in the white house. these guys get to look down and see everything that is happening from above and i wonder what they are thinking right now. what do you think? host: we will leave it there. thank you for the call. next up is maine.

caller: good morning. how are you? host: these are incredible pictures. caller: it is surreal what is happening and we are so thankful to be part of it. i have an eight-year-old who is a big fan of tesla, bob and doug , and space travel. we are thrilled to be part of it and it is great for everyone to come together, especially right now with something so monumental. host: get another cup of coffee and sit back because we will have this for you unfiltered, without commercial break as it happens during the next half-hour. thank you for the call. megan is next in wisconsin. good morning. caller: hi. i just wanted to say thank you so much to elon musk and these men who are so brave. i am excited to see what we do in the future with space expiration. everett, is next from

pennsylvania. caller: i just want to remind are viewing this through a tracking and data rely satellite. there is coverage on the space program all the way around the world. it has been doing it for all the different satellites that have been launched for a long, long time. host: a reminder, we will have coverage of that hearing on wednesday, the senate judiciary committee. a busy week in washington. right now, we are going to take you to space and let you watch this as it unfolds, courtesy of nasa television and spacex as the spacex capsule makes its rendezvous with international space station. thank you for being with us. enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great weekend.

[captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> it is pretty cool to hear that their experience was similar to what they bet just i think you said 170 100 -- meters away right now? a spacecraft designer, that is what you want to do here. the way i trained you on the ground is how it performed when you are there for the real thing. the second manual piloting test in the books, bob and doug putting dragon through its paces. ready to get dragon docked to the international space station. big loop.spacex on the ground will be resuming approach shortly. we plan to hold briefly at waypoint two. crew visors down are not required until thero