heather mcdonald talks about policing in the u.s. and the nationwide protests over the death of george floyd. later, a discussion with al green of texas. ♪ news report this morning's indicate that unrest and violence died down in some american cities overnight as curfews forced most protesters off the street early. good morning and welcome to forhington journal" wednesday, june 3, 2020. as we begin, this first hour, we will ask you about as these tensions ease and protests ease across the country, ways on healing america's racial divide. your thoughts. one number for those in the eastern and central time zones, one for mountain and pacific time zones. you can also send us a text.

namesure you include your and where you are texting from. wj.twitter, it is @cspan you can also post on our facebook page. the story is similar in a number of publications across the country with the reporting of late-night news from those cities. tensions ease in some cities, but others see more chaos. wall street journal's" washington is becoming a heavily armed fortress and criticism of president trump's response is mounting. "the star tribune" is investigating on the investigation. minnesota human rights

launching an investigation into the police department after filing a civil rights charge related to the death of george floyd. the probe announced by the governor on tuesday will look at minneapolis police policies and procedures over the past 10 years to determine whether the department has engaged in discriminatory practices toward people of color. that is from the "minneapolis star tribune." the online version is more updated, but just a bit more from their lead story. protests roll on as cities extend curfews. protesters march on u.s. cities again on tuesday after a night of damage and arrests prompted for tougher curfews. even as tensions begin to ease

in minneapolis where last week's police killing of george floyd minnesotaotests, launches an investigation into the police department and also begins tallying up the economic costs. thousands of people gathered in new york, los angeles, philadelphia and the washington, d.c. region. day marches have mostly been peaceful with violence largely taking place after nightfall. your thoughts on healing america's racial divide. the intent of joe biden was to address that yesterday. he spoke at the city hall in philadelphia. this is the headline at "the new york times." a picture of the former vice president speaking yesterday. -- a nationn ag and raged with the president fanning the flame.

this is part of what he had to say. [video clip] >> i look at the presidency as a very big job, and nobody will get it right every time. and i won't either. but i promise you this, i won't traffic in fear and division. i won't fan the flames of hate. i will seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain. job, and i will take responsibility. i won't blame others. i will never forget. i promise you, this job is not about me. it is about you, about us. the work not only to rebuild a nation, but to build it better than it was. we are the only nation in the world that goes through crisis and comes out better. build a better future, that is what america does.

we build a future. it may, in fact, be the most american thing to do, build the future. we hunger for liberty. harriet have been and -- harrietouglass tubman and frederick douglass. to see the stars, make an imperfect union more perfect than it has been. we may come up short, but at our best, we try. host: as always, all of his speech from yesterday is at our website. first tweet up this morning from president trump. he is retreating a talk show host, "get tough, police." your thoughts on healing america's racial divide. caller: good morning.

crying. excuse me for i am a vietnam veteran. when i heard joe biden this morning -- are you there? host: we are here, go ahead with your comments. caller: when i heard joe biden just before this program this morning, it brought me back to lincoln, kennedy, eisenhower. to make this nation a better nation. i just want to say this, in 95 , 1898 to 1993 -- was driven out of everywhere in the far east starting with china. it ended in 1975 in vietnam. they got imperial supremacy out of their.

--rywhere in the middle east out of there. everywhere in the middle east. supremacy ended in 35 countries with mandela in south africa. imperial supremacy was driven out. that don't work. what this country stands for, what everybody came to respect is the beauty of freedom and righteousness. call.thanks for your we go to leroy in jasper, indiana. caller: i do not understand why a vaccine for the current virus has not been found in the entire world. black mane the fine

who was killed in the u.s. would prefer that we not have "p" for protest, but "p" for prayer. host: ralph in carlsbad, california. caller: good morning morning and thank you for c-span. i hope everyone stays safe across the country. go figure, we have a pandemic. everyone is abiding the laws, quarantining, and now, we have this. i think more psa's should be done between ethnic groups to kind of quill and settle down some of the tensions. people go home, there is a. -- there is a period of time they are not protesting. there is a time, and i think more psa's should be done to get across the word. host: public service announcements? caller: that is correct.

i think that is a great way because if you look toward old times, during older previous wars, they were broadcasting over radio, there was a lot of psa's on television. host: what would the message be? beler: the message would stand down. do. is not what we need to to burn the flag is to burn your neighbors, your country. it is not just burning a flag and making a point at the moment. you have to think about the flag that you live under. little tidbits like that that i think we can get across to different ethnic groups, granted that you have psa's from across the board, just like c-span, fully unbiased. love you guys. host: this is from "the dallas morning news.

protestersion, regrouped after leaving downtown dallas ahead of curfew. tuesdayound calm as protest gathered downtown and marched in the neighborhoods of oak cliff. paul in fort lauderdale. welcome. caller: good morning. first, i would like to say that there are a lot of white and black people who are working hard to make race relations better and make this country, with regard to race relations, better. i think we had a chance for that thatppen, but i believe with the violence and pillaging going on, that all of it has blown up. i don't think that race

relations will be better when this is over. i guess the cracks of it is -- crux of it is, they ask white people to look in the mirror and see what is going on with black people, but does anybody ever ask black people to look in the onror and ask what is going with our part of society? people want to avoid looking in the mirror. more of it needs to be done. let me hand a few statistics to you that help black people lie to one another. last year, there were 19 unarmed white people killed by the police. only nine black. you did not build the united states on your back, because statistically, before the first world war, only 10% of the back

population -- black population lived north of the mason-dixon line. half of this nation, you can't claim you built. another quarter of the country band black people from even moving to the northwest. another quarter of the nation wasn't built on your back. this thing where you are saying -- host: wait, you don't think african-americans were involved in building the northwest, in building the north of this country? caller: not until after the first world war. they weren't there. the population was nil. black people have done a lot of great things, and they did help build this nation. my point is, this nation was built by black and white people. paul, in right, florida. a couple of comments on twitter. this is from karen.

racial divide can start with removing trump from office. on facebook, you can't until people change their views from themselves and others. people are individuals. each one has their own characteristics. racism is taught. the media stokes it, politicians manipulated and laws are made to perpetuated. if folks would see that, racism or die off. scott says this, focus on the individual rather than trying to put everyone in groups. putting people into groups brings out people's tribal instincts. it is divisive and yet it is being glorified and touted by leaders everywhere. i believe the individual, not the group society says they belong too. that is from facebook. senator rob portman yesterday talking about his proposal to

establish any racial commission in the u.s. [video clip] a good time also be to establish a national commission. a national commission on race as was done in 1967 by president johnson in response to the civil unrest of that era. perhaps the cochairs could be people standing like former president obama and bush, both of whom have spoken eloquently about racism as a stain on our national character. not to be a commission to restate the problem, but focus on solutions and send a message that america must live up to the ideal that god created all of us as equal. host: the senator mentioning former president george w. bush. the former president yesterday issuing a statement on recent events saying in part this, "it remains a shocking failure that many african-americans,

especially young african-american men, are harassed and threatened in their own country. it is a strength when protesters, responded -- protected by responsible law enforcement, march for a better future. this tragedy raises a long-overdue question, how do we end systemic racism in our society? the only way to see ourselves in a true light, is to listen to the voices of somebody who are hurting and grieving. those who set out to silence those voices do not understand the meaning of america or how it becomes a better place." from former president george w. bush. your thoughts this morning on healing america's racial divide. patrick, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i haven't seen everything on c-span, but the white bun these two actions's did to two legal states.

wemp pardoned them and didn't hear anything from the law and order crowd usually on c-span. there are 840 police involved shootings under the obama administration. underpartment of justice obama investigated 69 of those. ofheard the endless chant obama's war on the police. he talked about reaction. remember waco? the black helicopters and the new world order? why don't you run video of what timothy mcveigh did. i heard some many times on c-span that obama isn't listening to the generals. i would like to remember people that general pershing, commander of u.s. forces europe world war i was called "black jack"

pershing because he believed in the ability of the black troop and should have been given more opportunities in the army. that is ignored on c-span. general billy mitchell, who warned about the rise of the 1932, roosevelt went to the french and english in 1935, got to do something about japan. no. 1936, no. went to u.s. congress in 1937, no. didn't get an economic embargo against japan until 1940. never once heard the word appeasement on c-span ever. you guys basically concern yourself with white european history. if you don't mind, i will give you one more example. -- always trot out people what did shakespeare say?

had a public school education 300 years before white europe even had a public school. they had divorce court, contract law, building permits, building codes. besides being brilliant astronomers, mathematicians, engineers -- all it nor. what did shakespeare's -- all exhort. -- all ignored. what did shakespeare say? i think you guys should take a good look at yourselves before you start talking about race relations in america. host: we now hear from penny. caller: good morning. that guy really was something. what i want to say is the only way to heal is to get trump out of office. and then, we have to look at his behavior. he was raised this way.

his father belonged to the kkk. what i don't understand is that the government moves swiftly -- host: i don't think there is any evidence that donald's father belonged to the kkk. caller: you research it and you will find it. they have pictures of him at a rally at madison square garden. host: taking your point further, how do you heal america's racial divide. that is ever question for you this morning. caller: one guy just ran on. i just want to say one thing. we as people, as a black woman, we are tired. whenever there is any type of black movement, the government -- we had the black anthers. but -- panthers. they either killed them, sent them to prison and the government shacked them down --

shut them down. why is it that the kkk has been rummaging through this country for decades. something is wrong. as far as the church burning, believe you me, it was one of trump's supporters because they are known for burning churches, houses of worship. host: that is penny in new york. political news this morning about the republican convention. trump says gop will look to move convention. the president saying tuesday that the republican party would seek to pull its august nominating convention out of north carolina after democratic governor roy cooper refused to heed a party demand that he reauthorize a gathering of at least 19,000 people. he is still in shelter-in-place mode and not allowing us to occupy the arena as previously promised, trump says. we are seeking to host -- we are

seeking another state to host the republican national convention. it will lead the democratic state. neither major candidate has been able to resume normal campaign activities with offices shuttered and staff working remotely. calls. -- back to calls. this is dana. caller: thanks to c-span for their great work and giving a voice to the public. i think we have an empathy problem in this country. i think that in order to bridge the racial divide, i think empathy needs to start with teaching kids in schools how to identify with someone else and how to put themselves in the other persons shoes. i'm also a little bit worried that politicians are currently capitalizing on this moment to

maintain. their seats to maintaint -- their seats in government. i am worried that none of the problems that contributed to this moment are going to be fixed. i think police need to do some sort of sensitivity training to and conditioned themselves to responding to every person of color like they are the same that commits crimes as opposed to treating each person by the circumstance. have had these protests before with ferguson and things like that. i am just scared because what if nothing changes. i really appreciate the "black lives matter" movement because i think it really shows and spotlights the systemic discrimination that people of color face in this country. -- dotics to support support that. i just hope something positive comes out of all of this and real, lasting change happens. thank you very much. host: rick is calling from

boston. caller: i want to make a comment about the guy from florida about black people not helping build this country. it doesn't matter. the white people killed all of these damn indians down there and that is how they ended up controlling the country. the thing is, i will tell you what is going on right now. if that guy in minnesota had an open his mouth -- there was no more evidence to look at. the guy had his hand on the guys me. -- knee. this president ain't nothing but a crook. he started off with this michael cohen tape and white people still voted his asked in their -- ass in there. they had a chance to get this dummy out of their in the

process -- out of there in the impeachment process and they didn't do it. today shows confederate statues toppled. a statue of general lee was toppled from its namesake high school in montgomery, alabama. on monday night, a number of other statues moved or vandalized. joe biden, yesterday, speaking for the first time, largely out in public in philadelphia at city hall addressing the unrest across america. here is more of what he had to say. [video clip] >> i know there is an enormous fear and anger in the country. i understand. i know so many americans are suffering, suffering loss of a loved one, suffering economic hardship, wondering, can i feed my family tomorrow? what is going to happen?

suffering under the weight of generation after generation of hurt inflicted on people of country, black, brown and native communities, in particular. like many of you, i know what it means to grieve. my losses are not the same as losses felt from some money. but i know what it feels like when you think you can't go on. to havehat it means that black hole in your chest where your grief is being sucked into it. marked thedays ago 15th anniversary of my son's passing from cancer. there are still moments when the pain is so great, it feels no different than the day i sat in that bed as he passed away. way toknow that the best to turn itnd pain is into the anger and anguish into

purpose. americans know what our purpose is as a nation. .hat is to be guided it has guided us from the very beginning. host: the former vice president clenching the win in seven states and the district of columbia in democratic primaries yesterday across the country. our capitol hill producer tweeting about another key house race in iowa. randy on hisenator gop primary win over steve king. that story, steve king losing the republican primary race, they say that republican voters ousted representative steve king delivering an end to two decades of controversy he brought to his heavily conservative district. back to your calls. northpoint, florida on ways to heal them divide -- heal the

divide. caller: i have three quick points, please let me finish. people calling in and saying that looting is not the right way. when black lives matter came out, they did not like it. when collin cap and it came out, nickdidn't like it --: cap -- collin kapernick. we started because of taxes, second point, they call in and say they are marching about police brutality. what about black on black crime in chicago? you are comparing citizens on government.ime with when the police kills you, that is government. when you sue police, it is the government. show me an instance where a black man in chicago is caught

on film killing another black man in the police know who did it. the world knows who did it and the black man walks. my last point, and black people hear me. i am an african-american, but i'm going to vote for trump, and you know why? this may sound repulsive, but tell me one time in history that calling the cops on a black man ended with you losing your job. saying the "n" word in public ended with you losing your job. cops getting arrested, prosecuted and sentenced. when has united states history had any kind of swift action ever happened toward being racist in public. nobody is immune. what is the difference? eric garner happened under barack obama. all of these "n" word videos came under past presidents. they didn't lose their jobs.

nobody suffered any penalties. now that trump is in office, there is something different. as long as there is a racist in office, it is a good thing because now, black issues are always going to be issues. and not only that, he is doing stuff black people, as far as letting jack johnson out. he has done lots of things. he is just a politician. people,lked about black he catered to black people, but what did he do for black people? that is it. host: taylor is up next in virginia. caller: hlello. i wanted to say something about what is going on in america. i have two black sons i am raising. this't want to go through 20 years down the line with my children going to the park or store to do something and i find

out that they died due to the color of their skin. that is something i don't want to experience ever in my life. i feel like if it was the other way around, it would have been addressed a long time ago. i understand with a man from florida was saying, but this country is built off of racism. it has always been built off the backs of other people. that is not fair. we want to be heard. we want to be able to do regular people stuff without being judged because of the color of our skin. now, do i truly support people running in stores and looting stuff? not at all. at the same time, it is not just black people looting. we are not even the ones breaking in the stores to begin with. there is a lot of video proof on that. i feel like if people will just be willing to change, it could solve a lot more. do we want to keep protesting and doing all of this? no, but we have to because we are not being heard.

i feel like the way that we can solve a lot of this racism is bias connecting to one another. let's stop seeing colors -- by us connecting to one another. let's stop seeing colors. host: we thank you for your call this morning. let's go to david. as we do, we take a look at some of the reporting in towns across the country and situations in those cities. caller: i am 65 years old and retired military. you look at these peaceful protesters out there, and i know that race relationships are better than ever. it is the looters out there and the people that are stroking racial hate that are causing all the problems. you have got the liberal media and the liberal politicians that are stroking this even after obama.

obama was in there for eight years. it is the same looters, the same rioters that were writing under half white, half black, president obama and joe biden. it is the same ones out there doing this stuff today. these people are stroking racial hate at some of your callers are listening to the same thing, left wing media. i listen to left-wing and right-wing media so i can get opinions, but all you hear is hate. how can you heal racial divide when you have so much hate out there? host: appreciate the call. coverage over at 10:00 eastern on c-span2. we will cover a hearing with former deputy attorney general rob rosenstein testifying for

the first time in nearly two years before the senate judiciary committee. john cornyn of texas framing it like this in a text this morning "rod rosenstein to kick off senate judiciary hearings today on obama's fbi bungled investigation of clinton and trump in the run up to 20 election." 2016is -- run up to election." [video clip] -- the way it evolved over time. the thing that concerns me the fbi officialsue can do this against a presidential candidate, if they can do what they did to hillary clinton and expose derogatory information while saying there isn't evidence with which to charge her with an offense, if

that is tolerated, what sort of protection do we as ordinary citizens have against that kind of abuse of the anonymous power given to our law enforcement agencies and investigative agencies like the fbi? monumental scandal, and the american people deserve answers. that is what the judiciary committee is helping to deliver. tomorrow, we will hear from former deputy attorney general rob rosenstein about the origins of the investigation and the role he played as a deputy attorney general at the time. the second highest-ranking official at the department of justice. rosenstein, during his long and illustrious career as a former u.s. attorney headquartered in baltimore, he was closely linked to some of the key players in the decisions made during this investigation. his testimony is a critical

first step in learning the truth behind this misguided and rogue investigation. host: again, that hearing of the senate judiciary committee coming up this morning at 10:00 eastern. we will have it live here on c-span. back to your calls and comments. healing america's racial divide, the topic this first hour. chris is next in pennsylvania. ander: hello, good morning thank you for taking my call. host: you bet, just mute your volume and go ahead with your comment. caller: i think the problem we have to address is the police. there is too many rogue police out there. there is a book written many years ago called -- that is not different today. it is more insulated, more formal. we have got to focus on this thing. you have to raise the age to

become a police officer and you need more education and experience. we can't have order takers. they only get away with what they are able to get away with through legislation. we have to look at our politicians that put these kind of rules in place. how can somebody get away with blatant murder because they come up with some sort of phony excuse, conspiracy, character assassination, all kinds of stuff like that. the corruption in this country is so rampant, and this is where we are at. we are in a calamity here. there is all different kind of fronts, health care, the covid, the police, everything. we don't have the right leadership. we have career politicians loading their pockets, loading the pockets for their families. lipnow, they want to give service until this passes down. we need immediate legislation to deal with police corruption and

these road police officers that go around thinking it is ok to murder people. it is not. until america gets that straight, until we get rid of these career politicians that do nothing but give us lipservice and divide us, we are all american citizens. every time a corrupt police kills a person that is a citizen offenseountry, that is against the false citizenry. we should bring the full weight down on them and get rid of all of these career lipservice politicians that do insider-trading and all kinds of andense and use our labor our lives just to do whatever they want to do. host: we are going to go to tony in texas. caller: wow. i agree with the last caller. i would also like to say that the reason we are having these

problems is because we continue to lie about the chosen people. the people that are being abused are those of the true hebrew israelite race. judah.ibe of god is very tribal and he even describes the tribes committing the offenses against us, and that is the tribe of esau. they will continue until they have brought us into almost extinction in the next 3.5 years. host: eddie in virginia. caller: good morning. my comment is this. race relations in america, as it relates to civilians, regular people. to me, there is not a big problem. you have some communities where blacks and whites and other races get along fine, and you have others where they don't get along as well. people being people.

the real problem is the government, in my opinion. let me explain. when you enact policies that target a certain group of people over centuries, then you are going to cause those people to be set back so far. when you say there needs to be a racial hearing and all of that stuff, what needs to happen, is the government needs to target specifically,s, foundational black americans, or descendents of slaves that have been here since the beginning of this nation, target them with policies that bring them to heal, that allows us to be americans, so to speak, so there's not such a big discrepancy. in every category, there is a discrepancy between white and black, statistically. people are people, but if the government would wake right --

would make right what they made wrong, i think we would be a better country for it. host: thank you. a headline in "the washington ter daysont section, "af of fury, temperature change in neapolis -- minneapolis." the governor of the state yesterday announcing a probe into the minneapolis to -- police department. [video clip] >> the minnesota department of human rights is filing a commissioner's charge of discrimination to launch an investigation into the minneapolis police department. it will review practices over the last 10 years to determine if discriminatory practices against people of color have been used. minnesota has one of the strongest civil rights laws in country. it is illegal for the police department to discriminate against someone because of their race. this is the first time the government is issuing a civil

investigation. it is also the only investigations focusing on the policies and practices implemented by the minneapolis to police department -- police department. the minnesota department of human rights will also seek an agreement with the minneapolis police department to implement measures immediately in advance of long-term measures to advance practices. this is only one of many steps to come to ensure trust in those communities who have been unseen, unheard, and believe that those that are charged to serve and protect not only don't do that, they work against them. i say this as a white man who walks through life with pretty much relative ease, i can't ever of our black community members. one of the things i need to do is use that ability to change

and build coalitions and make this situation that has become intolerable across the nation, that will not go away with tough talk and more people on the streets in uniform, it will go away with a sense of community seen being displayed upon the state capital lawn today with law enforcement and the people they serve seeing themselves as neighbor in the same society in the same opportunities for their children. host: another story this morning about actions against police officers. da charges six atlanta police department officers for use of excessive force against two college students. state criminal charges after the arrest of two atlanta college students during the city's curfew crackdown on saturday. another part of the story, a story from "usa today" this morning. a story and a photograph with the headline "at least five

officers shot overnight -- shot during overnight protest. two others hurt when vehicles strike them." pictures of the minnesota state guard on friday. in south carolina, this is raymond. caller: good morning. i don't thinkg, it is really existing anymore at the street level. i think it is something that the politicians and delete what you to think because as long as people are fighting against each other, nobody is looking at them. everybody knows about the name george floyd, but does anybody know the name of mr. dorne, the 27-year-old veteran of the police department, a black man that was shot in the head and killed? i'm sorry, he was retired and he was helping out looting in the

stores. nobody knows the name of this black man, but they know the name of george floyd. it is just a crime because people work with these -- people work the street-level black-and-white together every day and they are friends. is race rampant in the police department but not the hospital's? do white doctors kill black men? are they not racist but your cops are? what about the teachers? our white teachers teaching black students any differently because they are black? no. it doesn't exist. host: what about the day-to-day racism. people on this program just this week and many times tell us the day-to-day racism of a black man, his fear of being pulled

over, more a fear of being pulled over by police every day than a white person would. how do we stop that feeling from happening? i might say something that a lot of people might not like me to say, but the black people themselves have to police their communities better at the civilian level. when you drive into the black communities, unfortunately, and because of whatever inequity existed over the years, when you drive into the community, you see the bars on the windows. there are thousands of people killed in chicago, they are killing each other at the street-level and trying to say that the cops are bad. is going to protect his people in chicago? host: what about black people that just live anywhere, middle-class communities anywhere that have the same similar feelings that they are

targeted more or more susceptible to being targeted by police officers? caller: i believe they are targeted more. host: how do we resolve that? what is the answer for getting that feeling to go away? caller: the answer to that, i think, would be to look into these nightly newscasts and look into the people in the crowd. people in the crowd are more white in there than theyare balck -- they are black. that must have been my fault, i apologize. we go to eric. caller: good morning. i would like to start this conversation and recognizing that there are more people enslaved in america today than there was before the civil war. we need to recognize that. -- i understand it is a

process we are in, but to fix this racism problem, we simply need to celebrate the jubilee. the jubilee will come to our thisnities -- it gives us opportunity to put reconciliation. to bring mandela used south africa together after apartheid where we can have this time of reconciliation, that as a community, recognize what happened in the past, and therefore, we put the past in the past and we can go forward. it is an event because the civil war has not ended. just because we are a democratic republic, we are still fighting. until we settle the simplicity of america today, of celebrating what we have been blessed with, and recognizing that we do have leftover issues we have to deal economicsin america,

and these situations. when you go back and look at the concept of the civil war and freeing somebody and then just putting somebody out without any economic benefit? you are putting the back and slavery because they had to go into debt. host: our question for you this morning on healing america's racial divide. on facebook, kathy says, governor dewine floated the idea of having all police personnel get renewable licenses with records of their performance tied to them. it would be a start in order to weed out bad apples by ensuring that no matter what location they are at, their records go with them. tony on twitter says, we will never heal the racial divide getl we stop using race to out the vote. every year, there is a new racial outrage to get us to go

to the polls and nothing ever changes. another, by not labeling it as a divide to start with, finding commonalities in our stories that will grow empathy towards each other's plight. comments in london from the prime minister this morning and the labor leader -- labour leader as well. >> can ice --[video clip] >> can i start by shining a light on the death of george floyd? i'm surprised the prime minister hasn't said anything about this yet, but i do hope the next time he speaks to president trump, he will convey to him the u.k.'s up orens about his response to the events. mr. speaker, the telegraph this morning is reporting that the prime minister has decided to take direct control of the government's response to the virus.

it is an obvious question to the prime minister, who has been in direct control up until now? let me begin by associating with myself absolutely with what the right honorable gentleman had to say .bout the death of george floyd i think what happened in the united states was inexcusable. i perfectly understand people's right to protest what took place. i also believe protests should take place in a lawful and reasonable way. host: today's prime minister questions will re-air sunday night, 9:00 eastern and pacific here on c-span. when they are in session, it is live every wednesday over on c-span2. charlotte in houston. thanks for waiting. go ahead. i think everybody is

appalled on what happened with george floyd, be it white or black. , why do weproblem have to describe a black person as african-american? when we say a white person, we don't say white american. why is that distinction made? the other thing, racism is not just one-sided. we all have to face the facts that there are a lot of blacks that hate whites. we have a situation in texas. there was no protest. two people were murdered by the police department on a no knock warrant because of them supposedly being drug dealers. he was a disabled veteran, and he and his wife were slaughtered. and yet, there was no protest.

i say isolated, i'm not black, but i do know for a fact that being stopped, being looked at -- i ask a black friend of mine, if i walked into your community, what would they say? why are they there, why is she white in the block area? area?aid no -- black they said no. but i guarantee you, when a black person walks into a white area, the first thing they say is, why are they here? being. a human i lived through the 1960's. i walked with martin luther king. hosesre to tell you, being put on a human body, the pressure, the skin coming off. who in god's name would approve of that? host: this is a look at "the

houston chronicle." an aerial view from the top of city hall in houston. we go to arizona and hear from john. caller: this is john. i just want to say that this was a abuse of power of a patrolman. the question isn't making much sense to me other than to give his wife a huge settlement when this is all over and charge that man with murder two and convict him. that is all i have to say. host: another headline, the house may return early to consider policing overhaul. congressional black caucus taking the lead in sifting through more than 40 proposals. wendy mcpherson writes, the house could return to session earlier than june 30 in response to the killing of george floyd and nationwide unrest about racial injustices.

factters were told if in legislation is proposed by the congressional black caucus is considered by the committee and ready to go, we will then call members back to consider and pass that legislation. from rollcall.com. senator tim scott spoke to politico yesterday about his conversation with the president. [video clip] >> one of the things i focused on in my conversation with the president was to please focus on mr. floyd. please focus on the death of george floyd, on the fact that as president, you have the most powerful microphone on earth. and frankly, it can be used for a lot of good. frankly, i think sometimes he hits the perfect cord. i thought some of his tweets later saturday afternoon about justice for mr. floyd is what i would consider the perfect tone and temperament. if we could stay there, i think we would all be a far better off

-- i don't pretend to be a trump whisperer. i am simply a senator that has a passion for all people. categorizing americans as just one single , with lots ofly diversity in the family, i think if we saw ourselves in that light, i think we would react differently to each other. host: you can send us a text. "we needrom joe saying shootingsr police investigating the same as airplane crashes or rail derailment." another says "we are not going to change what is in their hearts in a matter of weeks. boston -- biden had such lofty things to say in philadelphia. why hasn't he done any of that during his 60 years in washington?" way -- isys "there no

no way to heal a racial divide when one race of people think they are better or treat others as lower class." it is my first time calling into c-span. this whole george floyd thing has got me upset. i haven't slept all night. i don't sleep a lot, but it is really upsetting. i don't want to glaze over what happened to him, but there is a lot of injustice in america. i have seen it, i have been a part of it. i am 50 years old. i am the hardest working guy you have ever met. i was a jock in high school, i got all county athlete. i went to a technical high school. all i ever wanted to be was an electrician. work my ass off, live the american dream.

have my own business and be somebody. years, and iive worked for all of these different contractors. i would get laid off and go work for another guy. row, id five years in a get these guys to sign me off, and then i get to go take my electrical license examination. and guess what, i get to be an electrician. i did. i did that. i worked for my five years. actually, six or seven years because some of the guys in new york would say, you will just take my work. it took longer, but i got my accreditation and passed the exam. i took the test the first time and swore i passed it, but i failed it. i had to wait six months before i could take it again. i took it again and failed it. i said damnit.

i took it a third time. third time, i passed. i got my license. it was great. it took me an extra couple more to get my business. i got my license. i worked my ass off. by that time, i was in debt. i spent a lot of time studying for my exam not understanding how i didn't pass, but kept working hard. i tried to go into business right away, but i couldn't do it. i got a job at home depot and was working full-time for a contractor. i was working like 70 hours a week. i did that for like a year or whatever. then the union came knocking on my door. i did at getting at the union hall. is great to have you as a first time caller, and

i want to let you finish your story, but other people are waiting, so tie this into the conversation. caller: i have a point. host: i realize that, so why don't you tell us about it. caller: i went to these union meetings and it was a political rally for democrats, and i was getting into it because i was in the union and it was great. we are electing local officials and things like that. i'm sitting at this table with a guy from the electrical board of contractors. would tell me there is a gatekeeper. like, i'm on the board of examiners. make all the -- take the test three times. i said dude, i have been an american. my parents came over in the 1920's.

-- my grandparents came over in the 1920's. he said, we make all the sticks take the test three times. i was really hurt by that. host: it sounds like your steel -- you are still pretty steamed by it. guest: -- caller: i will be until the day i died. host: i'm glad you called in this morning and glad you are watching c-span, hope you call back in 30 days and glad you can let off a little bit of that steam. inwant to go to nathaniel st. petersburg, florida. caller: good morning. when you call in, please don't attack the host. they are giving you the privilege of the same power the president has. don't mock him, just keep going with it. do --ed to say how can we

make race relations better? ,lease mr. vice president biden ask, beg, plead to have michelle obama be a running mate because she knows how to go high when they go low. she is one of the most peaceful women if you want to woman on your ticket. , butatever you have to do all i recommend is that. host: appreciate that. more ahead on the program as we about the hearing we mentioned a while ago. senate republicans kicking off their review of the russia's fbi invest -- the fbi's russia investigation. telling us more details about the investigation. over on, heather mcdonald the book war on cops, talking about calls for police reform in the wake of the killing of george floyd. ♪

a lossng lived through of confidence in our institutions, a wave of cynicism that has left us unable to trust what we are told by anyone who calls himself an expert, it becomes difficult to rise to a challenge like this. our first reaction is to say they are lying, they are only in it for themselves and a lot of her national institutions have got to take on the challenge of persuading people again that they exist for us and are here for the country. a live conversation with author and american enterprise -- lar you've all of in yuval levin. join with the phone calls, tweets and facebook messages. tv onin-depth on book c-span2. >> washington journal continues.

owens,ay hello to zack senate reporter for the national journal. coming up with the judiciary hearing with the fbi russia investigation of 2016. inve heard the term senator's comments and tweets and tech and facebook's of crossfire hurricane operation. what does that mean? guest: it's the name of the counterintelligence operation in 2016 before there was a mueller report. this was the first fbi probe of the trump campaign and of russian contacts with that campaign. thenwas the fbi under director james comey looking into contacts between folks like george papadopoulos, carter page , with russian intelligence agents or with the russian ambassador to the united states.

the senators today will be talking with the former deputy attorney general about that investigation. there were reports to look into that investigation and how it started and you can expect republicans to push on that initial investigation to try and get a sense of how it morphed into what became the mueller probe into two year-long investigation into contacts between the trump campaign and the russian nationals. host: how early in 2016 did that begin? guest: it was the summer of 2016. candidate trump was either the nominee or the front runner for the nomination and was then viewed as an underdog but they had gotten a tip from a friendly foreign government that has not been disclosed as australia that they heard george papadopoulos

was energy consultants at the time and brought onto the campaign to bolster the campaign's national security credentials, they had heard papadopoulos had said he might be able to get unfavorable information on hillary clinton. hurricane was an attempt to understand whether there was intelligence operation within a presidential campaign. it was a highly sensitive and literally charged investigation. judiciarychairman of committee is senator lindsey graham of south carolina. last week he said mr. rosenstein will testify about new revelations contained in the horwitz report concerning the faisal warrant applications and other matters. this way the first in a series of oversight hearings regarding all things crossfire hurricane in the mueller investigation. what are those new revelations? guest: this is part of a broader

investigation by chairman graham . the chairman of judiciary republican from south carolina up for reelection this year. looking into all things mueller and rosenstein and the horwitz report. that came out a couple months ago, there were multiple hearings in the senate on this report that found there were errors in the phis application process, an application under the foreign intelligence surveillance act section for congress right now as they are trying to reform it reauthorized. it's essentially the law that grants law enforcement the opportunity to surveilled foreign nationals but in this case was used to surveilled carter page who was brought on to the trump campaign as a national security advisor. host: go ahead and finish her comment. guest: this was the opportunity for graham to really throw them

because rosenstein, because jeff sessions recused himself from any investigation of collusion or what have you doing the trump campaign and russian nationals, this will be graham's opportunity to talk to the top doj official a part of that investigation. guest: the chairman saying -- host: the chairman saying first in a series of hearings. where else do you think he is going to take these hearings. guest: he has said he is going to look into the decision by the department of justice to ask for a dismissal in charges against michael flynn who listeners will nationalis a former security advisor to the trump administration and ally of the president through there. -- and who lied that -- and pled guilty to the fbi about

conversations he had with the russian ambassador. into going to look "unmasking" requests to determine who the national dutch american national being investigated that turned out to be flynn once that was requested. it will be rather comprehensive and is something graham and other senators have been talking about and working on for lee since 2018. host: ron johnson's committee approved on a partyline vote the subpoenas for an organization affiliated with ukraine. tell us about that. what was that about. folks may remember from the patent trial a large part of trump's defense team and that impeachment trial, part of that

argument was trump had legitimate reason to look into corruption in ukraine on this notion that has yet to be proved that there was a conflict of interest between then vice president joe biden, no democratic nominee for president in his son hunter biden who was serving on the board on a ukrainian gas company. blue star strategies which was the company the homeland security government affairs company submitted on this partyline vote was involved in those discussions and was doing , butr either hunter biden check me on that. host: our guest is zach cohen, he covers the senate for the national journal. we would love to hear from you. republicans use 202-748-8000 --202-748-8001, democrats 202-748-8000 and independents and others, 202-748-8002. .ou can send us a text at

rod rosenstein saying this in part. during my three decades of service in law enforcement, i learned firsthand that most local, state and federal law enforcement officers deserve the high confidence people placing them but also that even best in law enforcement officers make mistakes and some engage in willful misconduct, judicial review and congressional oversight are important checks on the discretion of agents and prosecutors. we can only hope to maintain public confidence if we correct mistakes, hold wrongdoers accountable. it's been a while since he has testified before a congressional committee, how is he in general as a witness? guest: in the past he has deciduous leave maintained a rep -- reputation as a nonpartisan law maker.

law enforcement officer. -- as a nonpartisan law enforcement officer. we can expect during this particular hearing you'll have republicans on one side are you and try to find holes in the investigation into the trump campaign and hold of the horwitz report as evidence there were missteps and that there were mistakes and violations of the internal department of justice and fbi regulation. democrats and the other hand are it's -- bygue alitical bias did not impact decision to open up an investigation or seek a faisal warrant.- fisa mr. rosen time off to charter a course between those two sides and i expect he should be able to do that if previous hearings

with him and people like ig horowitz is any indication. has dianehas -- what feinstein or any other democrats on the committee said about this? guest: they are very critical. she made the point last month when this hearing was scheduled that she thought it was politically motivated and just an effort is part of the broader probe to bring in obama era officials just as the 2020 campaign is ramping up and drive the former vice president of the obama administration running and they believe there are other issues that need to come forward. that panel will have a hearing on police violence against the african-american community.

that will take place later in democrats have made the point that rather than bringing in this committee panel to talk to a former government official for investigation that believes not worth their time. host: we've seen a lot of these house hearings have been virtually online, what about today's hearing? guest: the senate has done its fair share of virtual or hybrid hearings as well. the first totally virtual hearing was in the senate in the banking committee and before that, the subcommittee of the homeland security had met remotely. i expect this will be a hybrid hearing. taking place to allow senators, staff, press, witnesses to socially distance so that no one will be within six or 12 feet of each other. senators will call

in and appear on skype as i am with you now. the senate has moved in leaps and bounds to try and maintain safety in an institution that normally is slow to change the way it operates. this is richard. what i'm wondering is how -- host: two bob in lincoln, nebraska. think donald't trump is doing a good job, he's instead more of himself of our country and with this pandemic this been going on, i don't know what to say about this. the chinese must be doing

pandemic, ith that -- -- host: talking about the judiciary hearing on the fbi russia investigation and the origins of that. woodbridge, virginia, independent line. hearingthis judiciary is pretty much a part of the aggressive cover-up. they ignore the evidence of the other things and the pfizer report theydy fisa are basing it on, there was plenty of evidence. they are aggressively covering up the evidence, getting rid of the evidence so they can triangle after people and say

you did illegal prosecution and illegal surveillance because we are getting rid of the probable cause. it's really bad. without -- andl they played right in to these anti-american unconstitutional people's hands and they've enabled them and continue to enable trump and barr. host: allow this question. what role does the attorney general have in all of this? guest: he was the attorney general the replaced jeff sessions after sessions was fired by president trump.

now running for senate for his old seat in alabama. william barr was the attorney jar -- attorney general when the mueller report was completed. a culmination of the years long effort to look into the connections between the trump campaign and the russian government and he came out with this initial disclosure that as they were working through the mueller report, parts of it were declassified. and claimedhat there was no evidence of collusion or corrupt as there had been the topic of conversation for many years and that moeller had not made a decision on whether to prosecute on the question of collusion. thatstein was part of lettern to release that and preempt the release of the mueller report and that itself

was a rather politically charged senators,ecause especially democrats, were cortical of how that initial letter framed the discussion around the mall the report. host: donald in wilson, north carolina. caller: good morning. theuestion is as we look at events taking place during the investigation, how many people are actually going back to this -- that the president just talk about this his main source of inspiration as president. know what's in this that causes russia to have so much influence on our decisions being made in our -- and our

policies being used in order to -- this country. host: is there a timeline for completion of these hearings given that we are once again in an election year? guest: i believe chairman graham wants to get this done sometime this summer. now ongoing. so that folks can have a full understanding of the investigation of the trump campaign that's fully litigated. from tim in rhode island. was it true carter page was working for the cia. carter page was a trump campaign advisor. guest: carter page was an energy consultant who found his way into the trump campaign when sam clovis, who was an advisor to

tasked with was start building a national security team and there were some questions about whether it had the bona fides to tackle the issue. i don't believe there was any confirmation that carter page is an intelligent agent of any kind. morning.ood unemployed, million 100,000 plus dead and senator graham is worried about the russians? it just seems like the senate is about six months behind what's going on here. we have other things that are more important. months to grow a pagan get it to market.

it takes me 100 days to get those beans and squash to market. that's what we need to be worrying about. anding america back to work it just seems like they are completely out of touch. and by the way, they are on vacation? host: the senate is in session this week. -- i shouldaller thank the caller because i did have bacon this morning. i appreciate them feeding me. the house is out of session, having meetings and conference calls and committee hearings. before they left it allowed them to have communities -- committees meet remotely as this pandemic goes on because it is unsafe or large crowds to gather and the house made the meet.ination it's able to

this said it it's a little easier to social distance and be in the same place and hold more typical roll call votes on things like confirming judges. the confirmation to be special inspector general for pandemic recovery. in the meantime there hasn't been a lot of action since late march in the senate and the house passed the cares act. more than $2 trillion bill that folks are aware of the provided much-needed economic assistance during the academic shutdown. because there isn't really an agreement on next step forward even within the republican conference. or certainly between democrats and republicans, graham is able to hold his hearing and have a meeting tomorrow on these topics. one republican senator said they believe they can walk and chew gum at the same time. hit: that house and senate

a roadblock on the foreign reauthorizing that. committee, do the series of hearings, kate that at all. the effort to pass that reauthorization? guest: there was movement to reform, part of that was because conservative republicans who had been opposed to any limiting pfizer authorities. it's the law under which this was approved to surveilled carter page, it's usually high bar to achieve that. after these revelations there was a push to include reforms both in the house bill that it passed by overwhelming margin and then in the senate that included more protections for privacy and transparency that was sought by republicans. if it makes it harder to cooperate it remains to be seen. certainly part of the reason we

are seeing this push for reform is because of the revelations in the horwitz report. to rhonda inext new jersey. caller: good morning, america. say it reallyto angers me that lindsey graham is wasting our time when they are not even requesting the release of donald trump's taxes that he promised to release once he got elected. we are still fighting in the supreme court for that which i'm sure they will say till after the election to cover him. and then we just go through another four years of total corruption. number two, why are they -- why aren't they investigating the covid-19

virus? january beginning of when they fired the scientist, said that they were begging them to do something about covid-19 in january and look where we are now. the senate does have multiple hearings scheduled for this week on coronavirus and covid-19. and discussion on ways to reopen schools and to do that safely. general, the senate has been focused on doing multiple things at the same time. it's not a given they will hold it in these upcoming november elections. so they are using this time to both look in to covid-19 and to look in to the origins of it.

the intelligence community looking into that. we will hear about the origins and what congress is doing to combat it. host: question on twitter asks what are the errors identified in the ig report found to be material? guest: it's a 400 page document. -- a 19 page summary of the top which is worth reading. republicans contend it's the only reason that the search warrant was issued for carter page and that allowed the mueller report to snowball. it's worth remembering that carter page was only a small part of the final mueller report. probe isole russia

much more voluminous than that and much more comprehensive. host: headline of zack owens peace. zach cohen's piece. when they had the senate interview alle these obama administration people, they are not allowed to lie before congress, so when they were asked did they have colludingof trump with the russians they said no under oath. that's what just declassified. and then they directly go out and lie again. guysthough we know you

don't tell the truth because you didn't show any of that. rosenstein was in on all of this , they should stop pfizer because they were wrong -- fisa because they were wrong. they lied. mueller knew from the start that there was no reason to go after trump, this was an attempted coup of the president which has been going on and is still going on. host: we will get a response. guest: a couple of things on that. for those who don't know, rick grenell is the outgoing dni working in an active capacity. i believe the callers referring to is he declassified list of obama administration officials who had asked for the unmasking of michael flynn. at the time they didn't know it was michael flynn because it was

the klatt -- it was classified. knowing there was an investigation of a prominent american official and they wanted to know who that was. the center of public and will be looking into that to see if there is more to that story. asthe question of collusion mueller himself stated in the ,eport which is worth reading it's a difficult term because it's not a legal term. there's coordination and conspiracy. so no, there were no charges brought under the trump campaign for those or the president himself certainly, but part of his concern was charging the president with any of those or with obstruction for any attempts to not provide information to the mueller report, he couldn't reach a constitutional conclusion that he was able to do that given that the president in certain

ways has more protections than a normal american citizen. the mueller report does detail in excruciating detail the number of contacts between the trump campaign and russian nationals before they had taken office and before the transition. those contacts did take place. what was not proven was any sort of conspiracy or coordination. host: do you have any idea of senator graham will call the former inspector or special prosecutor mueller? guest: he does have a meeting tomorrow with judiciary committee to sign off on a subpoena for a number of obama era officials, people like james clapper and jim comey and all of these names that have been floating around for the last few years. go,ear how far that will subpoenas to take a long time and congress does have some pat -- subpoena power. be found in contempt of

congress relying to congress about anything that's before them. so we will see how many come before the committee. one thing graham has said he won't do is call either president trump or former president obama as president trump has asked him to. with nationalin jerk -- zach cohen with national journal. a couple of different perspectives on the death of george floyd, the nationwide protest that sparked calls for police reform. first off, heather mcdonald joins us, author of a number of books including "war on cops." green.congressman allen ♪ a,sunday night on q and

daughter of former four term alabama governor and presidential candidate george wallace, talks about her father's controversial career and what inspired her to write her recent brooke. >> in -- her recent book. >> we took our youngest son at historical site in atlanta. church and his grave and went over to the museum and was being newly constructed at the time. degenerate ando went to the alabama exhibit and it showed the edmund pettus dogs infire hoses and birmingham. and george wallace standing in the schoolhouse door.

and he looked up at me and he sad, why didso poppa do those things to other people. he never told me why he did those things to other people, but i know he was wrong. maybe it'll be up to you and me to help make things right. >> watch sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. today, former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein testifies before the senate judiciary committee on the fisa application process used in the investigation of the trump campaign and russian individuals.

watch live coverage of the hearing beginning at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. on at c-span.org come or listen live wherever you are on the free c-span radio app. washington journal continues. host: our guest is heather manhattanthe institute for policy research fellow here this morning to talk about policing and protest following the death of george floyd. heather mcdonald, good morning to you. guest: thanks for having me on. host: the book is called "the war on cops." you've written extensively on this issue, policing, police brutality. let's go back a bit. thedescribed in the past death of eric garner in that book. a number of years ago as a heartbreaking tragedy. how do you view the deaths here

of george floyd and the one just recently, ahmaud arbery in georgia. george floyd's arrest and death was absolutely appalling by all evidence. it is agonizing to watch that absolutely thenk whole country condemns this and it's appropriate the charges were brought very quickly, we need to investigate the rest of , so the anger at that arrest is absolutely understandable. however it is not representative of policing in this country and incessantly on tactical training for officers, on de-escalation tactics. courtesy and respect, but i don't think it's fair to condemn

a nation's police force of over 600,000 sworn officers who have three headed 75 million contacts with civilians a year based on this one appalling arrest. because when that happens, the people who need help the most of the ones i've talked to for , the law-abiding residents of inner-city neighborhoods who are desperate for more police protection and who want to be able to go into the grocery stores without fearing that they may get shot in a drive-by shooting. their voices need to be heard as well. lead opinionhe piece today on the wall street journal with the headline on your op-ed, the myth of systemic police racism. charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the obama

years and remain so today. however sickening video floyd's arrest, it isn't representative of the 375 million annual contacts police officers have with civilians. a solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal justice system with regards to arrest, prosecution or sentencing. , not and suspect behavior race, determines most police action. police officers fatally shot 1004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. african-americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops. 235, a ratio that remained stable since 2015. as you look at police departments across the country, what are the best ones doing to ratio fewert killings, of good contacts --

context of the people they police. best ones are spending their training money on tactical training and de-escalation. they are not frittering it away on implicit bias training. there are bad cops out there, their bad interactions and every of theone is a betrayal trust that we placed in officers , we give them a monopoly on the use of lethal force but i do know a single department it isn't working as hard as it can to try and reduce bad encounters . what determines the way at which officers encounter suspects is crime. ,olicing today is data-driven police officers go where people are most being victimized. they go where the community is asking them for more police when i go and again,

to inner cities community meetings, what i hear from those wonderful people is you arrest the dealers but their back on the corners the next day, why can't you keep them on the streets. i'm terrified to go into my lobby to pick up the mail because there's youth hanging out there loitering, smoking weed and selling drugs. those people that are committing crimes are by no means the majority. but the police are not making random decisions. they make decisions based on one thing, victimization and community demand for help. host: our guest talking about policing the u.s. in the wake of the george floyd death. we welcome your calls and comments and texts. 202-748-8001 is the republican line, 202-748-8000 free

democrats, independents and others, 202-748-8002. is for --202-748-8002 law enforcement officers. we will get to your calls and comments in just a moment. heather mcdonald you talked about data-driven. the officerding is come one of the officers of some had a record with theary issues minneapolis police force. how can police forces monitor that better and make officers like that either get retrained? familiar with the minneapolis police department system for monitoring officers. that record of civilian complaints could well indicate that he was a bad cop.

nevertheless, it's also the case, i'm not saying this is true here at all, but it is also the case that officers that are actually proactive and out there looking for gun suspects out on a street corner at 2:00 a.m. hitching up there waistbands rather than driving on by, those officers get out of their car and ask a few questions. they also have a lot of complaints lodged against them by criminal suspects. , somebodywell be should be red flags that have civilian complaints and it needs to be absolutely closely monitored what was going on with his past records, i don't know. i think the minneapolis police department has been through waves of reform.

nevertheless, it should be investigated but they are not the final answer with regards to any given officer. host: i may have misstated the line for law enforcement officers. .02-748-8003 one more thing from your opinion piece in the wall street journal. the latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias 2019 ind in august of the proceedings of the national academy of sciences. the researchers found that more frequently officers encountered violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the risk -- the greater the chance that a member of that group would be fatally shot by a police officer. what is behind that statistic? what other details can you tell us about this? guest: what's behind the

statistic is the fact that policing today goes where people are being victimized by criminals. in the justice department has known for decades that the best predictor of police behavior is civilian behavior. if civilians are resisting arrest, the officer is going to escalate his use of force to the point he deems sufficient to subdue that resistance and the suspect continues to resist and escalates his use of force, the officer response. ,f you look at numbers overall what determines the rate at which officers use their own force is the rate at which they encounter violent arms and hate in suspects. it's not based on race, it's

based on the rate at which officers encounter violence and sadly, that rate is not evenly distributed throughout our country. black sty of homicide in this country at six times the rate of whites and hispanic combined. that is a civil rights problem, they are being deprived of their rights to life at a very high rate compared to the rest of the population. and the policing is trying to bring that rate down. the reasons black diet -- blacks dive homicide at an elevated rate is because there are crime rate is higher. blacks commit homicide and these are difficult things to talk about and the media does a very good job of keeping the public largely in the dark about how vast both the victimization and crime commission data is.

if we are going to be talking about police behavior, you have to look at underlying criminal behavior. so nationally, blacks commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and hispanics combined. can't go means the cop where people are being victimized, which again is driven by shots fired calls, who is calling in that they think suspects with guns. they can't respond to crime without having some sort of disparate impact in the people that they are investigating. they don't wish that disparity, it's a disparity forced on them by the reality of crime. in new york city for example, according to victims and witnesses of drive-by shootings who were overwhelmingly

, blackses themselves commit about 70% of all shootings in the city. hispanics -- add hispanics shootings to black shootings you will act counter -- account for 98% of all drive-by shootings in new york city according to the victims and witnesses. this is not some racist cop making up the numbers. cops hope against hope that every time a shots fired call comes across their radio, they are going to be given a description of a white suspect. instead they are most invariably being called on behalf of a black or hispanic victim and being given the description of a black or hispanic suspect. host: we will go to calls for our guest. we certainlyr: have to ask ourselves why the crime rate would be higher in

one community as opposed to another and of race has nothing to do with it why is there more crime going on there? there has to be some recent for -- reason for it. certainly pointing out that the police responded to crime doesn't tell us why there are more crime. why is there more crime? guest: that's a good question and i would single out as the predominant reason the tragic breakdown of the black family. nationally we over 70% of children being raised by single mothers. in many city areas it's closer to 90%. filled with fatherless men come whether it's white or black. when you're the breakdown of the marriage there is a systemic failure.

that's true across races. you are seeing that in the white 23 or 23% of white kids being raised by single parents. in lower-class communities and getting very high. the crime rate is going to follow that. police of the second best solution for fighting crime. nobody wants a police presence in the neighborhood. solution is families imposehers that can discipline and teach young males to deferred gratification, restraint impulses, and many heroic single mothers are working against the odds and buteeding fantastically,

barack obama himself when he was 2008ng for president in gave a moving speech on father's day in chicago and said we have to be honest and look at the data. again, any individual a single mother is obviously working their heart out to provide that, ,ut on average, we know sociology has known this for decades, the children raised with other fathers are five times more likely to be poor, far more likely to end up in a school and truant in to end up in prison. host: let's hear from eddie in massachusetts. caller: good morning. it looks like five police have been shot and probably dozens

have been injured by flying debris. but you're right with the breakup of the family. menou notice all the young breaking into those stores, young black men, where their fathers? thank you. host: heather mcdonald. guest: i only heard part of that but i agree. we are seeing a chaos that's very terrifying. if it stops it's a set of precedents for a fundamental attack on the rule of law. civilization depends on restraining what is an innate human lust for destruction and mayhem and when it gets unleashed it's hard to put back in the bottle. we have the policing metaphorically of broken

windows. wilson in the atlantic one form if you allow of disorder in urban areas to go unchecked, they have the metaphor for broken windows that that attracts more and people andt living in fear criminals see an environment where lawful authority has withdrawn and that leads to increased crime. what we are seeing now is quite literally broken windows, the failure of the authorities in minneapolis and minnesota to quell the violence that began on tuesday of last week and escalated throughout the week sent a very powerful signal across the country that the anarchist people who do not respect the norms of

civilization would be in control. this our caller mentioned story. here's the headline in usa today. at least five officers shot during overnight protests. two others hurt when vehicle strike them. the comments of former vice president joe biden in a speech in philadelphia laying out some of his proposals for police reform. here's what he said. [video clip] >> i call on congress to ask realmonth starting with police -- connors and jeffries has a bill to outlaw chokehold. congress should have it on the president's desk in the next few days. stop transferring weapons of war to police forces and improve a sense of accountability. that also should be made law this month. no more excuses, no delay. if mitch mcconnell can bring in the united states senate to confirm trump's unqualified

judicial nominees who will run roughshod over our constitution now, it's time to pass legislation to give true meaning to our constitutional promise of equal protection under the law. looking ahead i've committed to creating a national police oversight commission. i've long believed we need community policing. we need each and every police department in our country to understand undertake a comprehensive review of their hiring and training, de-escalation. some have done it in summer are in the process. the federal government should give the cities and states the tools and resources they need to implement reforms. meet the higher standards, most of them do it, all the more reason why bad cops should be dealt with severely and swiftly. we all need to take a hard look at a culture that allows for the

simplest tragedies to keep happening. host: a number of proposals thereby the former vice president. heather mcdonald, your comments on any of those. guest: the invocation of community policing, i don't know a single department that will tell you it's not doing community policing. empty.sically an obviously police department's need to bring the community in but i don't know any that are not. they hold meetings and nobody shows up as far as banned chokehold's, i'm agnostic on that. it is obviously a very risky , but the public often does not understand the power of resisting arrest. somebody who is determined to resist arrest, it can take six officers to try and bring them down.

tryle grab officers guns, to shoot them. whether it should remain as available as an absolute last resort tactic is something i really do not feel qualified to weigh in on. obviously we need more training. as far the federal government providing resources to police departments, yes. it should go into tactical training. real life scenarios, hands-on training of how to deal with what can be enormously challenging situations. none of us would have the capacity to deal with the situation where you are trying to chase a suspect that just had a shooting, how do you bring that person down without using force yourself. often people are blocking your efforts to try and arrest someone.

we saw last week or two weeks ago in chicago the police were trying to arrest two gun suspects, one who was the likely gun suspect in the shooting of a two-year-old girl, the other had just thrown his gun under a car. the police were trying to bring these people under restraint to arrest them and the crowd tried to pull the guy out of the car that it just thrown his gun under the car and started throwing bottles of the officers who were trying to make the arrest of the suspect in the shooting of the two-year-old. that's what officers are up against. moreo they do want tactical training. i know officers who paid for their own because they don't feel like they are getting enough. what's been pushed by the obama commission, the 21st century policing commission was implicit bias training. attendednded those, i one several years ago and they

were an insult to the officers intelligence. about that, that somebody -- sitting around talking about your own implicit biases, it won't do anything. what will do something is there hands-on experience about tactics and of course they need constant training in courtesy and respect. police officers can develop obnoxious attitudes toward the public. preemptively,ple they don't answer questions and that is absolutely the case. often that hostile attitude is in response to things like airmail, a long-standing practice in some communities of throwing bags of urine and feces off of roofs and officers.

that reality of policing nobody wants to talk about. host: on our line for law enforcement officers we go to valdes calling from illinois. caller: good morning. this is a complicated issue and i wish there was more time. miss mcdonald gives a lot of academic solutions to things and did say recently about more tactical training. i was 23 years, most my time in patrol, also a nationally -- baton trainer in and defensive tactics. you don't need to be agnostic about the chokehold. they've been banned for years. what they did to eric garner was absolutely a fiasco never should have happened and you said about six cops piling on the people, that's the problem. you never need more than three and a people were properly trained they wouldn't have that

problem. unfortunately we are being abused, meaning police, and we abuse people. nothing is getting done and the second point that i will make is there is an absolute disparity the way people are treated and have been throughout time, i started an 81 and retired in 04. the opioid crisis is a classic example. talking about going where the crime is. you know the senate and congress approved a lot of money to have people treated for opioid where if they were to follow their own rule, they would have incarcerated those people that are 92% white youths and that's a felony possession of. so if they have been run through the system you might've had a different outcome as far as how people are treated as opposed to the 80's when junkies were thrown in the joint right quick. it ande address all of the despair that happens in inner cities and you replace

them with any group of people, you will get exactly the same result. host: appreciate your input. there's nobody incarcerated in prison for use. there is no one in prison for smoking a joint unless that person is also a major dealer. the fact is the so-called war on drugs has been instigated in every instance why people in inner-city communities of understand the pall living in an open-air drug market. opioid abuse, i do not think that is going on in open-air drug markets. i think the sales are happening in a different forum, but this is something james forman, a yale professor, books have documented that the rockefeller

itg laws in new york city, was preachers and newspapers in harlem that were calling for the to crack down on the drug trade, because they saw this as effort ato their achieving stability. same with the war on crack. it was the congressional black caucus that said, this is the worst depression in our in ourty -- oppression community since experiencing slavery, the crack penalties ultimately get bid up in an effort to show sensitivity to an over high level, yes, but i would also point out, they were identical to the mess penalties -- meth penalties of five grams yielding acrack

penalty of five years. meth trafficking was and is overwhelmingly white and hispanic, so if the crack penalties were anti-black, the hdentical mess penalties -- met were antiwhite and hispanic. the cops are not deciding randomly to try to bring down open-air drug markets. they are responding to people who come out to their community meetings and say, we are terrified of the drug dealers. host: heather mac donald. you can read her piece today in "the wall street journal." thank you for joining us. coming up on "washington journal," we will be joined by texas congressman al green, in the wakeolicing of the death of george floyd. more here on washington journal.

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reaching, and i am honored to c-span first. host: tell us about that. for a on may 27, i called mentionedism, and i poverty because quite frankly, we declared a war on poverty, we declared a war on drugs, we have declared war on various rings, but we have never declared war on racism. the question became, how do you do this? declaredident johnson his war on poverty, it was congress that pass the legislation that helped him get social security through, medicare, medicaid, head start, and when i say social security, it was actually expanded. if congress does the heavy lifting, the proposals came from the president -- i do not believe we have a president who would declare war on racism right now, but the legislation can still be produced, promoted, and that is what we are about to do.

i have a resolution that i will be filing tomorrow that will indicate that we are declaring a war on racism in all of its forms, of course, but more specifically, racism and insidious discrimination. we are going to establish a department, a cabinet level department, level department ofh the secretary reconciliation. it will be called the department of reconciliation. we have not reconciled our differences in this country. it, have not to do been successful, and when we are not successful, for too long we have ignored the fact that this needs to be done. and the only way we can get to this as i see it is to lift it to the highest level of government, to have it become a department, just as we have a department of labor, department ofdefense, have a department

reconciliation that is to take immediate and long-term action to develop a strategy and eliminate racism and insidious discrimination in our country. the: let me ask you about process, particularly in houston,. on an article from the houston chronicle. houston's police, art elevator, who spoke with protesters in a video that has gone viral, joining those protesters. what can other police departments learn from the way houston has handled the demonstrations very act go guest: -- there? guest: a lot of things can be learned from houston. a lot of the processing in been peaceful. that does not mean there has not been civil disobedience. gandhi gave us this context of civil disobedience

and dr. king picked it up. it does not mean -- it might mean you go to jail -- dr. king wrote his letter from the birmingham county jail because he had been arrested at that time. if you are arrested and go to jail, that is a part of a peaceful process. for a peaceful protest to be effective, you have to be a little bit disruptive. i think in houston, we have had a fair amount of disruption without the kind of behavior that we have seen in many other places. dr. king never went to jail for throwing a brick or for destroying property of other folks, committing some kind of harm to an individual person. he went to jail because there were laws that caught him trying to be peaceful, but were designed to present the -- prevent the protest from being successful. houston will also be known for what we are doing with this resolution. i don't want to just abandon

bill, because this is something we need in this country. the reconciliation that we need is not going to come if we just silo individual pieces of legislation. legislation,ood but it has to be something where we have a person who is charged with developing a long-term strategy, a strategy that will cause that person to come before congress and to report on the progress that is being made semiannually. that is what this resolution calls for. a semiannual report to congress by the secretary of reconciliation. it also is going to be funded. the funding will be not less than 10% of the defense budget, and i attested to the defense budget because we know the department of defense will be funded.

if we ran into a circumstance where we have some people who are -- with the legislation as others are, it will still be funded to the tune of 10% of the tents departments -- defense department budget. this legislation will have persons who are being harmed now being given the opportunity to present their proposals, people who have had experiences that have been unpleasant, experiences that have caused them to be part of movements like black lives matter, one of the preeminent movements of our time. these persons will have some input into the legislation that is produced in the future. this is the way forward that will take in all of the things that we need to do, if we have a level department with the secretary of reconciliation. green,ur guest, al congressman from texas. your comments and calls welcome. (202) 748-8001 on the republican

line. (202) 748-8000, democrats. independents and others, (202) 748-8002. let's go to bobby in fitzgerald, georgia, democrat line. caller: can you hear me? host: yes we can. caller: i made a mistake. i am not a democrat, i did not see your numbers. but in this conversation -- hello? host: you are on the air, bobby. make sure you mute your volume, or you will confuse yourself and us. caller: got it. i wanted to say for the first time in my life, i'm going to make a donation to my local police department, and i want to thank joe biden. i'm not black, so i do not have to be involved with all this stuff this guy is talking about. but i will do the right thing and vote for trump.

host: let's go to mike in fort myers, florida. you're on with congressman green. go ahead. caller: thank you for speaking to c-span callers. i want to echo what the i hopean said before, you have disavowed joe biden's comments. we certainly cannot allow any white politicians certainly to tell us what is black and not black. that you guysk pass legislation to deal with police brutality, going back to joe biden, this is not abide in bite in bash, but when you are talking about passive legislation on this very alludent issue, that you to police brutality and george floyd. i hope you put his name on that bill, that you do not allow your colleagues, or republicans,

to put any port in that bill. let that bill stand on police brutality as it is. i look forward to your response, and thank you for standing up for people of color, regardless f they are republican or democrat or vote for trump or biden. god bless and take care. this is probably a good time for me to define myself. i am a liberated democrat. i speak truth to power and truth about power. of --.is in the spirit i will not allow the democratic party or the republican party to do the when we should things that are necessary to continue the liberation movement. are at a point in our history now regardless as are at a got here, we point in our history where racism has become an organizing tool for one party and a get out the vote tool for the other

.arty -- literally that is what is happening right now. you see it happening. we cannot be taken for granted and we cannot be ignored. that is why we need a department of reconciliation, to deal with these issues in a long-term and very broad fashion. with reference to candidates, i have not endorsed anyone for president. that is in the race currently. earlier endorsed senator harris. i have not endorsed anyone since that time. i am serious about what i do. when i call for the impeachment of the president, i have resolutions to support it. by the way, we should have impeached him for his racism, and we could have impeached him for his racism. but there were leaders in the congress of the united dates of america who did not support it and found ways and means to shift our direction -- i think it was a good thing to impeach

the president, but it was not the best thing to avoid impeaching him for his racism. this bill is going to help us to deal with racism and insidious discrimination in this country. i appreciate your comments. host: let me get your reaction to --i appreciate your [no audio] actually, he sets them back big time with his crime bill, which he does not remember. i have done more for black americans than any president in u.s. history, with the possible exception of another republican president, the late, great abraham lincoln, and it's not even close. the democrats know this and so does the fake news, but they refuse to write or say it because they are inherently corrupt. the president deals in a level of energy that sometimes does not require reputation. re i will refute --

futation. what he said.ute the president has done things to black people. when he indicated there were andle countries in africa put it in the policy, talking to people about immigration policy, that did not help my people. it sends a bad signal. when the president told police officers, when you are arresting someone, you don't have to be nice -- this is the --sident's ending a single president sending a signal to the constabulary, to the police forces in this country, that he will condone what they will do and in a sense, he's got their backs. when the president says he is for law and order, he means he is for order and law. that is what -- here is what that means. force,bers of the police you go out there and establish the order that i want, and i

will then provide the law necessary to protect what you have done. we saw that when those officers, officers, i should say members of the military went over as them,s -- if you look at they looks like bullies, pushing and shoving, making sure they were intimidating persons as they moved forward. president has unleashed that kind of behavior on american society and has caused black people to become the focal point of his ire. like this,s things things that are absolutely inane , you do not have to refute them, but i do. finally, let me say this -- we made a mistake when we did not impeach this president for his insidious discrimination and his racism. he is the most racist president in my opinion since andrew johnson. he is the andrew johnson of his , and the unfortunate thing

is, without c-span, a lot of what i am saying would never be heard. c-span does not filter. c-span does not have an agenda. c-span allows the truth to be heard. it orr the people accept not, c-span provides the means by which it could be heard. becausegod for c-span, a lot of what we are trying to do will not be heard but for c-span. thank you ever so much for giving me this opportunity to respond. let's hear from more callers. jeff is important rich he, florida, independent line. in porthello, -- is richie, florida, independent line. ,aller: hello, america, hello c-span. all directions i have heard about my life through black people -- they are looking same

to me -- i have not understood that. i look at it in a straight, direct, internal law inside the police department changed. from now on, where is -- when there is a shooting, they are on desk duty or on leave. when it is questionable, there is no hesitation or weight. the police chief arrest that officer. take his gun. make and keep his badge. arrest him in the station. leave him there. in jail in thet police department so he is protected. then wait until after the results from trial. then, right on television, in haveolice chief's office, him discharged out of the police department and sent to prison so everyone gets to see it. and the arrest. people that are marching, god bless you. host: congressman green? respond?tt

i greatly appreciate your comments, sir, and i would only add to this -- what you said, i think most people would agree with. andwe have to elevate this take it to a much more lofty level, because it is about more than the police killings. i do not take it lightly, what has happened to many black people has just been sinful, criminal, and many times it has not been properly prosecuted. so i am totally for all the legislation that will deal with correcting the injustices associated with policing. but this is bigger than policing. there is systemic and institutionalized insidious discrimination in this country. insidious discrimination. racism. and it is in banking. people who look like me who are more qualified than whites, who

have anget a loan, we empirical evidence to show that they can be much more qualified, but they will end up alone if they get one at all -- and up get one at, if they all, that is less than a white person. it exists in housing. it exists in housing to the extent that we have had the testing done to require the." evidence to show that when ,frican-americans seek housing they can be charged more than other persons who are seeking the same housing. i am talking about rental properties. for a placecharged that is less than habitable for other persons. are not inherently persons who have poor health. it is because of the health-care system that does not address our health care issues to the same extent as it addresses white persons who have health care issues.

as to those who are offended by my saying white, we have to compare. we do. when you say black and compare, i am not offended, so i would pray that you would not be offended. it also exists in the environment. black people, people of color, people who live near the sanitation, the landfills in , they live near the environmental places where the land has been contaminated. so we have problems that far exceed the problems associated with the police department. that is the thing that is causing us to examine these that is why this legislation is important, because it will deal with racism and insidious discrimination in all of the various places they exist, in a systemic and institutionalized fashion. let me get to edwards -- excuse me, bernard, in saint

leonard, maryland. congressman. you, i just wanted to ask a question. , we get asman one-hour telephone town hall about maybe once a month. i would like to ask you a question that i can't seem to why did youers -- vote for a $25 million grant to the kennedy center, and how does it help lack, white, hispanic or anybody? can you give us an honest answer? [inaudible] $50 millionout trying to impeach the president, and what good did that do? that money could have spent on fixing the water problem in with the black on , ack shootings in chicago

number of horrible problems instead of sucking our money down the toilet. i hope you give us an honest answer. host: all right, bernard. we will hear from congressman green. soughthonest answer, i to impeach the president and have 95% of congress to members of-- 95 congress that he should be impeached, although some have recanted. i did not think there were very fine people among the bigots and racists in charlottesville. i sought to do it because i did not think we should bar people who happen to be a certain religion, the islamic faith, from the country, because he chose to do it. i think this country recognizes laws that associate with freedom of religion. andpresident is a bad man,

i just have the courage to do something about it. many people will talk about things. i choose to do something about things. so i put the congress in a position where it had to do something, that was take a vote, and we laid the foundation for his ultimate impeachment. thatreference to the vote you said i took, you will not find many members of congress who have not voted for things that they did not necessarily approve of. whether i approve of it or not, this is the point i will make. we get sometimes legislation presented to us and can vote it it andown, so you weigh look for the good and look for the bad. sometimes you cannot allow the good to become the enemy of the perfect -- the perfect to become the enemy of the good. i have taken many votes were there were things in legislation that i did not care for, but there were other things that i knew would be a benefit to my constituents, and that is ruth.

host: -- the truth. robert, calling from new york, the republican line. caller: [inaudible] lobbied congress to change israel, they cannot engage in terrorist warfare. [inaudible] we have israeli government soldiers and lamented in police stations around the country, training the police stations and american civilians. guest: i will be candid with you, i cannot quite understand the question. host: his second point was about government troops and police stations, may be referring to the efforts of the president bringing additional federal forces in protection of the nation's capital. guest: i think the president was

wrong. i think the president not only brought in the military, but he encouraged them to be bullies. if you -- and i'm sure you've seen it, bill, if you've seen the behavior of members of the military as they were moving towards peaceful protesters, peaceful protesters with the shields and the ways they were pushing people out of the way, they wanted to intimidate. camera.w they were on they wanted to send a message. and they did send a message. the unfortunate thing for them is, the people in this country do not want to see the military behave that way against peaceful protesters. these protesters, as far as i know, have broken no laws at that time. if they did, it was maybe some sort of law related to not being

in, a curfew, they were on the streets as opposed to being on the sidewalk, but you do not bring out the military to do that and take a photo op after. the president was entirely the wrong and his -- entirely wrong and his behavior ought to be announced, and i denounce it here and now and forever. host: brenda in syracuse, new york, independent line. people arem glad protesting peacefully. i support them and respect them, because there is no place to do what they did. i'm am upset, angry and offended , george floyd,e and everyone else who has been mistreated by the police. you.: i thank i said yesterday that i am angry. floyd,see a person, mr. pleading for his life, pleading,

calling for his mother, who has andeceased him, and you see officer who had his knee on the neck of a person, knowing that this person is suffering. if that does not make you angry, i will accept your lack of anger, but i surely hope that you accept that i am very angry about that. i am angry because only one person has been arrested. i was a magistrate for many years. i know probable cause when i see it. the probable cause exists, and i want to see a trial and i want to see a conviction. yes, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. but if you see that and you believe that the person was wrong and committed a crime, you've got to want him arrested. if you believe a crime was committed, you've got to want a trial and a conviction. .ogic dictates this i am absolutely with you.

i'm very upset about it. the question is this -- what do i do with my anger? anger to the my streets and throw bricks. i do not destroy property. i do not try to hurt people. i am going to pass legislation that will hopefully make a difference. i will introduce it and give congress the opportunity to do the right thing, but i can't tell you what democrats or republicans will do, because i know that this kind of legislation is far-reaching, is what is needed, but i also know there are reasons why this kind of legislation might not get the attention it merits. a lot of that will be covered in the book that i'm writing, so i need not go into it in great detail, but the point is this -- let me make this point. i am not going to let that anger caused me to become a person who is distracted from the movement that is taking place. we should do this when we are angry. i am a legislator, i am going to legislate. we should all register and we

should also vote. we should vote like we have never voted before. i believe that voting can make a difference in this november. host: one more call from anthony. caller: thanks for taking my call. comment.an, i have a i have a request and i have another comment. my comment is, i think the topic is policing and george floyd, and -- hello? host: go ahead, you are on the air. caller: i'm sorry. the comment is, why are we not arresting the other three police officers -- let me finish -- because when they took the pulse , and had two minutes left with the guy on his neck, and he had trained, they are all in cpr, ok, and you have no pulse, that means you start the chest compressions, because

that is cardiac arrest. that is my comment. i think if we are rest of these other three officers, ok, that would calm things down him and sleep. we would not need the president to take care of business. host: anthony, i will get a response from the congressman. guest: [no audio] host: oh, congressman green? i think our signal froze up from houston. we apologize, just at the end of the conversation there. congressman al green joining us in houston,ice texas. sorry we lost you on the line, but that is technology these days. here ahead on washington journal, we will go back to our conversation that we began the morning with, asking you about ways to heal the racial divide in the united states. the lines separated like this. eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8000. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001. ♪

>> with the federal government at work in dcn throughout the country, use the congressional directory for contact information for members of congress, governors, and federal agencies. order your copy online today at c-spanstore.org. "washington journal" continues. host: we will get to your calls momentarily, as we take a look at the front pages, starting with the birmingham news, across the country. looking at the protests happening across the country, and some response by community leaders and police across the country as well. getting your calls momentarily, asking how to bridge the racial divide in the united states. (202) 748-8000, eastern and central time zones.

(202) 748-8001, mound and pacific. the head -- mountain and pacific. the headline in the wall street journal, additional legislation on the covid-19 pandemic, the white house plans for a stimulus. president trump is planning to meet with his senior advisers as soon as this week to discuss policy options for the next asonavirus relief package, the administration prepares for negotiations with capitol hill, according to senior administration officials. the president's team has toembled a set of proposals encourage people to return to resume normal life, including going to restaurants and taking vacations, in an effort to jumpstart the ailing economy as quickly as possible. we been through the rescue phase and we are now in the transitional reopening phase and like to move

into a growth incentive face for the future economy, says a senior official. our next caller, good morning. ourer: earlier this month, president saw white men taking long guns into state capitals around the country, michigan, north carolina, other places around the country, and sent out tweets encouraging men with long arms to stand up for your second amendment rights and threaten governors. but the chief executive officer of a state is a governor. he tells these men to carry guns into those places to take their freedom. but unarmed people of color, the night before last, walks down the street and he sent helicopters and mounted police officers to break up a peaceful demonstration. the people who support this president who are in denial about his racism are just that, in denial. in closing, let me just say, all the people calling in saying he has done the greatest thing for black people in terms of the

economy, the black unemployment down undergoing barack obama and continued under this president, and this president likes to take credit for things he didn't do, and is not responsible for things he does do wrong. november 3 cannot come soon enough for me, because we need to get this clown out of office. he is a bad villain and it is time to close the comic book. host: john in hamilton, texas, republican line. caller: just a couple of comments -- compliance is free. if people have a hard time understanding that, you have choices in life. when people give you direction that are in authority, you can comply or not comply. if you choose not to comply, then law and order will effectively take care of that situation. the man who was killed by a policeman in minneapolis, that situation will be handled by law and order. and the looting and pillaging and destroying of private property and businesses, law and

order should prevail. this country was founded on peaceful -- peaceful protesting, all away back to the boston tea party. peaceful. i'm going to say it, and you can take it however you want, the looters, the hooligans, the criminals should not be put up there as heroic. and al green needs to retire. he didn't listen to your all the guest who had data about the destruction of in the blackit community. that is what needs to be fixed, and he is not going to fix it. the house is not in session, as congressman green mentioned. they are working on committees remotely. the senate is in session. rod rosenstein to kick off the

senate russia review hearings, days,co writing in recent democrats have whacked republicans for focusing key russiaee efforts on the probe and scrutinizing joe biden's son, hunter. rosenstein will face a host over pointed -- of pointed questions from republicans. 13 focus will likely be the genesis of the probe into russia's meddling into the 2016 election as well as his line off on an application to reauthorized surveillance of a former trump campaign manager. that hearing coming up in about 20 minutes, scheduled for 10:00 a.m. eastern. we will have that live for you this morning here on c-span. in las vegas, nevada, go ahead. caller: [inaudible] power,, the abuse of

money and influence. to play athat tries race video or something, turning -- weo a big racial event had barack obama for eight years. people is tired of the abuse of those in power. those with money. who areo have influence telling us lies, using our money , and influencing good ways in which is not for a civil society. arabia,ain about saudi other muslim countries for teaching their young people hate sayinget we have rappers

it is all right to kill cops and this and that, you know? and like the congressman said, i have a black-white issue about insurance. he is black. he's got insurance. he's got money. there's rich black people all over the united states. int: we will hear from bill louisville, kentucky, ways to heal the racial divide in the u.s.. caller: good morning. hold of had gotten a mr. greene, telling him to put on his face mask, i can't think. if you want to find out what is wrong with the racial the disintegration -- racial divide, look at the disintegration of the family. woman said, that

she was correct. if you want to think back, think back to when mr. nixon was president. he was taking a tour of harlem and had pat moynihan -- i do not know if the people remove or who pat moynihan was, but he was a democratic liberal and was trying to tell mr. licks and -- mr. nixon what was wrong with the black community and what was going wrong with them, and he was advertising the point that all the social welfare programs that were coming into the black community were beginning to disintegrate the black family. mr. nixon did not want to hear anything about it. the only thing mr. nixon wanted to talk about was the architecture of harlem. you can go back to pat moynihan today. carry it through if the family disintegrates, the culture disintegrates. simple, and people don't understand that. they need to get their head examined. the: reflecting some of

political views of our color, wendy and on facebook says minorities need to take a look at the policies put in place by those they have been voting for over the past few decades. the majority of these policies have been done with the disguise of helping and put them in a chokehold. karen is in woodstock, georgia. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to echo what you just read about minorities following the policies put in place by the democrats. that is the problem. i think black people especially need to leave the liberals alone, because i heard representative green on the they werere and when up there, the black caucus, they spent more time fighting for the illegal immigrants than they did for the black community. i think when they go up there, they do not vote for policies that will help the black community. whatw everybody thinks

happens to george floyd was just terrible, republicans, democrats, everybody, black-and-white, but this has -- to me, this is now just a power struggle between the two parties. host: valerie, next in cedar ridge, california. caller: yes. one thing i would like to say, comment to the man who made the comment about those protesters coming in through the capitals with long guns? that's right. it shouldn't have happened. those protesters never stole things, set fires -- you see people coming out of businesses, looting and stealing. do these things, you actually hurt your whole cause. protests andceful people who wanted to go back to work. the other thing i wanted to say seeingquick is, you are 20 years of education where children are not allowed to be disciplined. we are not allowed -- we were

told to leave them alone, let them in the corner, let them throw their fits, and now they are 20 and 30 years old and they tse throwing major fi because we have not disciplined our kids. that is what i want to say. host: oakland, california, michael. all these you look at protests nationwide, city to city, they seem to be pretty multiracial. that is the whole thing behind this. that group of people, who hopefully will become the leaders in the future, are the backbone of this country and what this country is all about. later on, the looters and rioters and everyone else are not part of that same group. believe that the regular protesters, you see mixing in with whites, blacks, asians, out here on the west coast and everything i see on tv, from houston and atlanta and the

whole bit, they seem to be a pretty multiracial group. thank you. couple stories about facebook here. zuckerberg defends content policy. zuckerbergtive mark addressing employees and a highly charged town hall meeting on tuesday, defending his decision to preserve a controversial post from president trump, but said he was open to some tweaks and how the company deals with such content. the message in which mr. trump thugsd demonstrators and said "when the looting tarts, the shooting facebook left up, while twitter removed it from public view. -- saiderberg mr.

mr. trump broke facebook's -- mr.but said he will zuckerberg also said he would personally review the options submitted by the teams. a write the employee meeting, which was originally scheduled for thursday, was moved earlier and came a day after employees participated in a virtual walk out opposing the policy decision. from the st.is louisnews retired -- st. news, a retired police captain shot to death at upon shop, caught on facebook live. a retired st. louis police captain and municipal chief was shot to death by looters early tuesday, and his killing was apparently broadcast on facebook live. dorn, 77, was shot in the torso around 2:30 a.m.. he died on the sidewalk in front at 4120 three martin

luther king jr. drive. no arrest and no suspects, but they are offering a $10,000 reward. that is from st. louis today. we go to david in concord, north carolina. i don't get the racial divide at all in this country. you see by the protests it is a mixed culture out there. it is more of a criminal element , and i really think mr. floyd did not deserve what he went through, but he has to look at what got him there. he was a criminal element. he passed a phony $20 bill. they called on him. he brought that on to himself. the one in new york was selling bootleg cigarettes he was bringing up from other states. he got killed for doing the criminal element. georgia, jogging on his trail and goes on to someone's private property -- that was still a criminal

element. now you have a criminal element starting these riots, and that is the problem. they can't control the criminal elements when the police are hindered. host: a comment from jennifer, onse toted us in resp previous colors. jennifer sends us this text -- what is a family have to do with police officer using an excessive force? there are as many white broken homes as there are with people of color. our police using excessive force on whites too? this is richard, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment about what i think the solution is to the racial divide in america. everybody has had problems with the police. everybody i know has had problems with the police, where the police did not enforce the

law the proper way. because i'veaid had police officers putting their hands on their guns, their hands were shaking, shining flashlights in my eyes in pitch -- and thennd just asking me to show them my registration and drivers license and i could not even the it, because they were blinding me with a flashlight. when i said something about it, i think he took it -- he did not like it, so he called for backup. and theyop came over were talking to each other -- i'm afraid. i'm sitting in the car, in the dark by myself, and there's two of them, you know? think that just talking about it is going to change it. you are going to have to set up laws in order to change the racial divide in america.

there's got to be laws, because these people seem like they don't really care. host: richard, let me ask you, going back to the idea that togressman green is going propose, what he is calling a war on racism. a department of reconciliation, a level department -- a cabinet thel department to address reconciliation of the black community in america. what are your thoughts on that? caller: say that again? what are your thoughts on what congressman green is going to propose, about a war on racism, a federally targeted war on racism. a cabinet of reconciliation? caller: i think that is a start. it is a start. but we have to realize, these people, people who are racist, they are not going to let you know they are racist. they are undercover, they grin in your face, but they really

hate your guts, you know? that type of thing. to bes going to have something to -- i don't know exactly what it means to be -- needs to be, but as far as the i knewnt is concerned, that he was a racist right from the start, because of the way he was talking. when he said take america back. i said to myself, take it back from who? right from the start i knew he was a racist, and he was not good for this country. besides, he did not want to be president. he wants to be a dictator. a new poll out from politico, the headline on that poll, americans think america is in bad shape. just three in 10 voters say the country is on the right track since trump took office, according to a politico/morning consult poll.

mike is in stratford, connecticut. hello. good morning. i believe the main cause of the racism of today is caused by the media and the politicians, all right? cut and a scab comes, for 50, 60 years you keep pulling the scab off, that scab is never going to heal. the people. even the term african-american. when you hyphenate american, hispanic american, you are dividing the people. it is divide and conquer, right? there is this show on television, right, "live pd." anyone who watches that show hates police. they are trained right now like to stop tho -- like g

estapos, rihgt? and i used to be a policeman, from lost 25 years. i worked in high crime areas. you treat people the way you treated.e that is the key. you do not keep stoking the flames. what happened to the fellow who got choked, that is a disgrace, it is disgusting, but i was watching nbc and they put a who was emmett till, killed back in the 1950's, tortured -- every year the media does this. msnbc puts on emmett till, keeps stoking the flames, to cause white guilt. anyone who does things like that are disgusting. why do they keep showing it to go they are making money off it, right? then we have a problem -- we have to talk about it. host: here's rick in rogue river, oregon.

caller: thanks for taking my call. i'm just curious -- first, let me say the events with george floyd should have never happened, and these police officers, all four of them, should be sitting in jail right now. it is absolutely ridiculous. if that was an average citizen that had happened to, they would be in jail. ofother point, after all these events that have happened, arethis is one of many, why to the minority communities just absolutely overflowing the police academies and becoming police officers? if systemic racism and police -- in police department is such a problem, why aren't minorities trying to go in and become police officers? doesn't that make sense? rick.ok, we hear from tosha next, joining us from buffalo, new york. caller: good morning. i am looking at the conversation, all the white

people calling in, instead of dissecting the black family, we need to dissect the white family , the history that they have said, the mythology they have set -- white people have a mythology. everything they do is great and they always switch the blame to black people and what they do, and for the gentleman who called in and said the man should be killed because he passed a $20 bill? what about the white-collar crime that white people commit? opioid epidemic going on with white people, your birth rate is down, so let's start dissecting white people and your issues, because your issues have caused black people issues. for all the white people that want to call up and dissect what black people do, you need to take a look at yourself. have a good day. host: we will take you live to the senate judiciary committee hearing in a couple of minutes, a couple comments on facebook,"

for starters, listen. we do not get to decide how oppression and. start with your local government and your state government and then call congress. on twitter, to ignore is to pretend it doesn't exist. shame on a 45-year-old police officer. on facebook, all people must take responsibility. obey the law, weed out bad cops, prosecute bad people, make the law stronger and stick to it. listening to the media causing division. stop saying white man lack man, aren't we all just men? denouncedmanders trump's use of military forces against protesters. the reaction has been swift and furious. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff wrote on twitter that america is not a battleground. our fellow citizens are not the

enemy. thomas, former head of special operations command, tweeted "the battle space of america? not what america needs to hear, invaded bys we are an adversary or experience a constitutional failure, i.e. a civil war." and admiral mike mullen, another former chairman, wrote in the atlantic -- whatever trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in to the ntry, gave leaders of other countries who take comfort in our to stick strife, and wrist further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. our next caller, good morning. caller: i would like to suggest that all people who are victims of crime, racial crimes, be

treated equally. i do not know if you remember, but i do, the knockout game, polar bear hunting, apple picking, which was groups of black thugs that would target innocent, young white people, and weyoung white men, had an attorney general at the time, eric holder, who said there is no victim of a race crime or a hate crime if the victim is white. small town in frederick, maryland, last summer at the frederick county fair, we had a white husband and father who was minding his own business at the fair and some black thugs came up and started beating him and kicking him, and even when he was dying on the ground, they continued to spit on him and beat on him. instead, we have an idiot county executive in frederick county, who tomorrow or on friday when the thugs come up, she wants to march with them because she

wants to send the message that we are going to bow down to the criminals in this country. if you are going to create a commission on racism, but in people who talk about the blacks' racism against asians and other kinds of racism, because the most vulnerable person in the society today -- i am afraid to go into my cities, because i know is a white woman i could be a victim of a crime. if i am a victim, if it is black on white crime, nothing is going to happen to the criminal. host: we are out of time for the program today. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. thank you for being with us today. we will take you live now to the senate judiciary committee, they are hearing from the former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, who will be testifying on the origins of the the i probe, the russian

investigation 2017. he is at the witness table this morning. live comverge -- live coverage here on c-span. [background chatter]

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