new jersey and the effectiveness of community policing. we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. what happened in china has affected us. what happened in europe affected us. we cannot get away from that. it is interconnected therefore, if we are an interconnected society, we had to figure out what our role is in putting an end to this. ♪ fauci on thes dr. briefing from yesterday. u.s. set another single day record for new covid-19 cases, 45,000 around the country yesterday. texas and florida are walking

back summary openings. a lot going on in the states and around the country as the numbers continue to spike. a question for you -- has the pandemic impacted your behavior and if so, how? 30,ou are under (202-748-8000). 50,een 30 and (202-748-8001). age,u are over 50 years of (202-748-8002). you can also send us a text message at (202-748-8003) or facebook andt at twitter. we begin with this piece that marks the difference between these latest couple of weeks.

surge is not the same as new york's crisis. the virus that ravaged northeastern u.s. cities is surging through western states. it is different this time. younger people are getting sick with covid-19. states that have brief lockdown are encouraging social distancing and mask wearing. many have embraced the usual summer rituals. health officials are sounding the alarm of outbreaks going through house parties. some took the end of stay-at-home orders as permission to live their lives unimpeded. old, bentez, 30 years the night at a nightclub sharing drinks. two days later he felt sick and the next week he was on a

hospital oxygen tube after testing positive for covid-19. "i am a young, healthy, active person with no previous conditions. i did not take it seriously. i was not practicing social distancing. i did not wear a mask. i thought i was invincible." he went from not knowing anyone with covid-19 to knowing 15 victims. he is recovering now at home. at wsj that,.hat .com. here is a little bit from dr. fauci from yesterday. [video clip] >> i do not think there is time enough to try and analyze and figure out the multifaceted elements that went into that. everything from opening to early on some, to opening at the right

time, but not following the steps, to actually trying to follow the steps, but the citizens did not feel they wanted to do that for a number of reasons likely because everyone feels the common feeling of being pent up for such a long time. we are not going to try and analyze it, but there is something important about it that i would like to get a message to the country in general. when you have an outbreak of a infectious disease it is a dynamic process that is global. remember what happened in china affected us. what happened in europe affected us. what happened here is affecting others. we cannot get away from that. it is interconnected. if we are interconnected, we have to look at the fact of what our role is in trying to put a end to this. everybody wants to get back to normal and everybody wants the

economy to recover. i think we are pretty common in that. that is a given. what can we do? what i think upon talking to a lot of people, we have such an unusual situation because of the decades i have been involved in chasing infectious diseases i've rotea inen anything so p its way to make people sick. disease that goes from 40% with no symptoms, some going to hospital, some getting intensive care, some getting intubated, some dying. depending on where you are in that spectrum you have a different attitude to this particular thing, but anyone who iss infected or is at risk

part of the dynamic process of the outbreak. i know because i can understand when i was at a stage in my life where i said, i am invulnerable so i am going to take a risk. i think what we are missing is something we have never faced before. a risk for you is not just isolated to you because if you of anfected, you are part propagating the dynamic process of a pandemic. the chances are if you get infected, you are going to infect someone else. host: you can watch the full briefing at c-span.org. he and his colleagues will be back on capitol hill tuesday. it is a morning hearing on the senate side. that will be on c-span3 live. we are asking this morning whether the pandemic has impacted your behavior.

we will get to your calls as soon as they come in. to the math, the new york times talks about hotspots. as a friday night more than 2400 2.8 million people have tested positive for the coronavirus. out just under 20 500,000 have died from the virus in the dark spots on this map tell the whole story. things of gotten lighter in the north west part of the county. florida moving into south florida are dark, parts of south carolina, and moving to the west in that southern tier. a lot of dark spaces along the gulf of mexico.

a lot of trouble in the houston area and when you push west on this map you see the other andpots in arizona california which has problems in the northern part of the state, but also southern california. these are the new hotspots in the united states as of yesterday. the mapwas the published yesterday. florida walking back reopening's. s. yesterday.sed bars write both texas of florida are backtracking amid a crisis of rising hospitalizations and skyrocketing infection. governor republican

ordered bars and restaurants to close and gave local authority to ban outdoor gatherings. one in 10 texans has tested positive in the largest hospital is full. let us go to our first call. steve is from charleston, south carolina. good morning. has the virus impacted your behavior and how? caller: it sure has and i hope you and your family are doing well. host: thank you. caller: i have altered. my behavior drastically i try and practice social distancing and being a senior, i am more vulnerable than a lot of the population. i wear a mask when i go out, but the problem is i had to go to lowe's last week and some people are careless. all, but it is not

mostly young people. they think they are invincible. either they do not care, they do not believe the doctors, or they think they are invincible. i do not understand the attitude. these people who are not are putting everyone at risk. steersteve, do you clear of them and how do you do that when you go to a public place? do ever talk to somebody who you think should be something different? caller: i have not confronted anyone. my wife is pretty outspoken and we cannot go out unless three have to. arrowsw walmart has the for one-way aisles. sir, i thinkma'am,

you should be going the other way. strong, iite that guess, but not too far for me there's a watering hole for young people and they opened as soon as they could. they are closed again now. in south carolina we are getting new cases all the time. we are still growing in numbers people.fected b people just are not taking it seriously and i do not understand that. host: thank you for your contribution. nina is calling from florida. what is the condition in the area? caller: we are between tallahassee and jacksonville we had a huge outbreak in our nursing home. we got that under control and it

was not because they sent covid-19 in their. outbreak from a staff member. i am 59 years old and noticed in the grocery store people who look as old as me or older are not wearing masks and i think those are the ones that should be. i understand what the young people would not wear them, but i am shocked we do not have enforcement. we have the guidelines we should wear masks, but it is crazy people are not taking it serious. host: what you make of the performance of your governor and other state officials in the crisis? caller: i think governor desantis is good opening the beaches because i have heard outside and sunshine will help shred the virus instead of staying indoors. i never could understand why new

york make people stay indoors with all those apartment buildings, but i think the outside does help. nice sunny state. one point i wanted to make was it is two weeks from now we get more hotspots, i really believe this will be the tester now. in two weeks we should see something because the protesters are not wearing masks either. that was one of my other minds. host: thank you for calling from florida. close to 9000 new cases in florida friday. here is a little bit more. governor desantis ordered bars to close immediately because of widespread noncompliance with rules of capacity and social distancing. the announcement came as health officials announced another 9000

infections friday. average cases of 77% from one week ago. back to texas, this reflects the activity of recent weeks including memorial day and summer activities permitted under the reopening plan which started may 1. wishful thinking got us here said the harris county judge in texas. -- dallas county, sorry, records 10 deaths and a record single day high. the governor last night and this morning basically said they opened the bars too soon. john is calling from lincoln, nebraska. caller: thank you for taking my call. the numbers as far as nebraska showed, i amap you

not sure how accurate that is. there were people back in october and november showing symptoms. i think they were dismissed as pneumonia or misdiagnosed possibly. there was also people just not going to the doctor so i do not think those numbers could be correct. i think our governor might be handling the situation not so good. -- he is funding places -- he is going to money from places that force people to wear a mask. it was something along those lines. i think other countries with universal health care are handling this a lot better. host: thank you for calling. nton is calling from

florida. we are in south point beach. host: what is the situation? caller: it is a nightmare. i think it is a great hoax. host: let me stop you there. what makes you call it a hoax when you see the numbers and you see the officials out there? what brings you to that conclusion? caller: the numbers are a joke. i have someone working in the medical field and i remember on your show -- it was another host -- they asked a female doctor does anybody really dive this virus? you have it somewhere in your archives. yes, nobody dies of it. if you are sick in nursing homes, of course they die. that is why you go to a nursing home. i have never been sick a day in my life.

never have been, never will be. it, inject to cure hydrogen peroxide. it is a hoax inspired by the communist party. host: let me ask you one more question about florida. governor desantis re-closed bars in the state. do you agree with any restrictions or limitations? caller: nothing. i would rather starve than where wear a mask. host: thank you. florida theiruth recent spike has affected the drinking in miami beach. florida has joined texas in banning drinking in bars while miami closed beaches and parks and times for fourth of july. the drastic measures come as florida's cases continue to soar.

bars reagan half sales from -- rake in half of their sales from alcohol. they are still allowed to sell it, but they are not allowed to open. the behavior of public officials has changed. roberto from houston, texas. what are your thoughts? 71 and i was one of those not wearing a mask. i am not wearing them because they are required to enter an establishment, but i think we are obsessing too much on masks. n95 maskday that the only the medical community can wear really works because it prevents you from getting the virus. but the otherod,

thing is this. i think we are assessing about masks, including the media, when they do not work. putting a cloth around your mouth and nose? what? i heard on the radio about a week ago they studied it scientifically and it requires 16-20 layer's before a mask works. host: if a mask does not work, are there other precautions you have taken or think you should take. caller: i think social distancing. in the grocery store it is hard, but i also heard this. casual encounters are not going to impact it. i also heard on the radio the beaches, there is a breeze and that helps carry the virus away. there is a lot of contradictory

evidence and to prove anything scientifically concerning causation, let us take a step back and quit overreacting. it is not a hoax. it israel, but the fact it spread so quickly around the world explains to me we are not in control of everything. now in control. host: thank you for calling. here's a headline at the houston chronicle. urge to heed red alert threat level. text message from bill in connecticut. "i do everything to keep my immune system strong by eating fresh food and not eating processed junk food and sugar. the u.s. obesity epidemic paves the way for this one."

laura says, "i can no longer hug my daughters and grandkids. my husband is a wreck trying to keep everything infected so i do not get sick. we have not lost any family or covid." , "i am on themina go all the time. now i am a homebody and learn to embrace it. i'm catching up on my lover reading, cooking, gardening, putting puzzles together. i'm getting back in touch with me and loving it." from the white house briefing here is dr. birx on how to stop community spread. [video clip] >> we really want a call to action. when we started talking about what can be done we said the most important thing that will stop the spread -- i know tony is going to talk about it -- is

individual behavior and respect for one another. i just want to end by thanking the millennials who have come forward. we see the testing right really improving in the under 40 age group. that is continuing to accelerate testing among that age group because that is the group most mptomatic have asy spread. nobody is intentionally spreading the virus, but they do not know they are positive. they do not have symptoms and need to be tested. we want to thank them for coming forward and really enriching the amount of testing that has been done in the under 40 age group. to our older population, you

know if you are over 80 we ask you in these hotspots in states having expansion, to continue to shelter as much as you can and use your grandchildren to do your shopping. host: dr. deborah birx from yesterday. missouri, whatl is the situation and have you changed your behavior? caller: i social distancing. i do not wear a mask. our cases have increased a little bit. .e have got 90 cases i was in walmart yesterday and i do not wear a mask and social distance and there was a lady who had a mask on. tookad to sneeze so she her mask off, sneezed into her

arm, and put it back on. what is it going to do if you do that? i put myh and public, head down so it does not have a chance to spread six feet. i really think the guy from houston was 100% correct. the 71-year-old guy who called in. distancing, but wearing masks i have worked in agriculture my whole life. a cloth mask is not going to keep that germ from infecting you. host: you said you are in negra culture. -- you saiduation you are in agriculture. has your situation changed at all? caller: there is more demand for

produce than ever. taken any impact at all. host: thank you for calling. is mucci?orida, this is that correct? caller: yes. people do not keep distance or where masks. i wear a mask all the time. two months ago i asked somebody close to me to have distance. they said you have symptoms? i said no and they said don't come.

they forgot people can't have no symptoms. can have no symptoms. donald trump is campaigning until the second of march. .e has to be removed [indiscernible] he did not consult the

scientists. i am a scientist. biology.olecular host: thank you. thens hear from fred and speaker pelosi in a moment. fred is calling from ohio. have you changed your behavior? caller: i would say i changed my behavior, but because of government action. first, i think it is absurd. microbes do not obey governments. the woman who sneezed? the essay it was mandatory and she would have her mask on and she would be all right. i was always thinking about data. official theo an and establishment was obey and he would take my word. i brushed up against a guy. if it does not spread, that

would be data not recorded because i would not report it. i would not want officials to know. i think it is all skewed. i think we have approached the authoritarian state -- i am not exaggerating -- but we have come close enough and i resent it. host: that was fred calling from ohio. here is a headline from "the hill." trump not wearing mask is cowardly. speaker pelosi accused trump of being cowardly for not wearing a mask amid the pandemic and said she would support a policy to make wearing face mask mandatory in public. she held a briefing yesterday and expressed concerns about the latest rising covid figures. here's more on what she had to say. [video clip] >> we have a pandemic. , 36,000 couple of days

cases. cases, a, 40,000 further record in the president essay slow down on the testing. my purpose here this morning is about health care. science, theing of resistance to all of the advice from scientists. the early delay caused deaths and now with a spike or seeing the president is saying, slow down testing. others said he was joking. he does not say that and by the way, this is not a laughing matter. it is a matter of life and death. host: they are bringing the house in early on monday. they have a busy week before the

july 4 break. one of the items will be a bill to shore up portions of the affordable care act. the trump administration tells the supreme court of obamacare must fall. this is a story that moved yesterday. "the trump administration has reaffirmed its position that the aca is illegal because congress eliminated the tax penalty for failing to purchase medical insurance." we will see how that plays out in court in congress. we have dan from north miami beach. paint a picture of miami beach for us. what is the situation? c-span.thank you for i actually live in a place called abbott chur that used to

be miami beach. i wear a mask for two reasons. it makes sense. but --t like to wear it, i hate to use the expression the new normal -- and to get into any public place you have to get one. heardn feeling is what i from three different doctors on national public radio about three months ago. all of them said whether we like the humanour race, race, is going to have to acquire herd immunity. i know that is a nasty word, but it is true. another that is what has to happen.

either from vaccine, which is far from guaranteed, or by 60%-70% of the world population. that is a lot of people getting it. i do not like it anymore than anybody else, but with all that is going on and all the medical geniuses -- and i am not saying that in a wiseguy way -- we have to accept the fact we are another group of mammals on this earth. millions have come and gone here and we are far from -- we are the new kids on the block. these viruses have had much more time to work on us. fiu: you mentioned international university. universitiesg

about whether they should open, how they should open. any thoughts on those colleges in florida and what should be happening? i do not live that far from there. i think they should open, but with social distancing and masks. i do not think it is perfect at all. i think we are fighting a holding action. war we will win easily and that is nonsense in my opinion. we are going to have to slug our way through this. i do not know any other way around it. i think they should open and the kids, i think they absolutely have to go back to school. the have to because many parents

simply cannot teach them at home and they cannot do it financially or anyway. host: i appreciate you calling. susan from hampton, virginia. have you changed your routine because of the virus? caller: well, i have only because some stores are enforcing the governor's mask suggestion. do.hat is the case, i -- i do not go into the store. i want everyone to go to the cdc site and read what the percentage of coronavirus is. and the seasonal flu is 0.1%. the calls are ridiculous. everybody is scared to death.

it is nothing to be scared of. host: thank you for calling. "it has made me more distrustful of government. the pseudoscientists are just traders of humanity. " says, "some customers request contactless delivery, but more are good to just take the food." gulf weighs heavily on black people and pence but the positive spin on the coronavirus. governors republican

are under pressure to impose stricter health restrictions to gain control of outbreaks. the vice president leading the task worse. force. -- task force. [video clip] >> it seems like the wearing of masks has become a political statement. are you concerned about that and is there a message you would like to send the people? principle is people ought to listen to state and local authorities. president trump and i could not be more grateful for the partnerships we have forged around the country. i spoke to the governor of florida, arizona, texas within the last 12 hours and told them heedould remind citizens to

the guidance and direction of state and local officials. in some cases there is statewide guidance in regard to facial coverings and events and gatherings. in other cases there are specific countywide or citywide directives and we believe that what is most important here is people listen to the leadership in their state and adhere to the guidance. whether that has to do with facial coverings or the size of gatherings and we will continue to reinforce that message. host: dr. birx is going to join the vice president in texas and arizona as cases spike. the vice president will travel to texas, arizona, and florida over the next couple of weeks. pence inwill join texas sunday in arizona tuesday. pence will travel solo to

florida and meet with governor desantis. he was previously assent to attend political events in every state, but he said the visits will also partly focus on how each state is handling the pandemic. the president was supposed to have gone to new jersey at his golf resort this weekend. he decided not to go. the president says they are staying home to deal with the virus and keep ion protest. eye on protests. louis is calling from new hampshire. caller: good morning. host: have things changed for you? i live in new hampshire and the data in terms of cases and deaths are among the lowest in the country, but that does not preclude me from

having feelings of uncertainty, fear, and hopelessness. indifference displayed by the federal government i have literally no faith this president will serve the needs of the citizens statewide. to inflate his own campaign, his interest, and bolstering the economy at any is what he is doing during a pandemic. i am frustrated. host: thank you for calling. bill is calling from new york. what part of the state? caller: in between albany and bickerton. host: tell us your thoughts this morning. has your routine changed? caller: not that much. i wear a mask when i go out and that is about the height of it.

wash my hands. our county has 79 cases. host: what do you do for work? caller: i am retired. i have been retired since 2004. host: what do you see around you in terms of what folks are doing? trends, travel concerns, other concerns? the downstaters come up to get away from it and that might be bringing it up here and spreading it a little bit. now it seems to have people come up and they stated themselves pretty much. one of my concerns is with the spike, i have a feeling a lot of this is due to the protesters. they have been out and about for, what, three weeks?

i think a lot of this spike could be because they were running around without masks. i think this is one of the main reasons -- there are other reasons with things opening up and people are careless. host: let me ask you about the performance of your governor, andrew cuomo. we have seen him many times on this program over the past couple of months. how has he been doing during this crisis? caller: i think you really screwed up. intot people right back the nursing homes. we have a lot of deaths in our nursing homes. every day it is going up and i blame him for that. he blames the government for it. it is on his shoulders. host: lily is on the line from

st. louis. good morning. and i: i work at home have a grandparent. anything to hurt my grandma. they do not really care about us here. is not wearing a mask. why is it ok for us? the older people and younger people should start. i do not know what you know about this, do you hear about russia is paying money and the president knowing about it? it was in the paper. host: let me find that story.

it is in the new york times this morning. it begins above the fold. bounty offered afghan's to kill u.s. troops. saidntelligence officials the secretly offered bounties to taliban for targeting american troops to end the long-running war. the u.s. concluded months ago the russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations, attempted to stabilize the west or take rewards. " the l.a. times says, "imperial county told to reinstate stay-at-home order.

imperial county is in the south of california." overwhelmede so that they are imposing a strict stay-at-home order. mr. newsom says the state is paused adding any additional guidance that would allow counties to accelerate reopening guidance is likewise in response to the acceleration of hospitalization. san bernardino officials say hospitals are reaching surge capacity because of cases. dr. is a brief comment from sonja angel. she is part of the team on health care issues. ion inlks about the situat imperial county. [video clip] >> we have been working closely with them and they are excellent partners.

there are a couple of indicators that make us particularly concerned. this includes the case rate over the past seven days which is 680. that is vastly above the 100 over the past 14 days to get onto the monitoring list. been maintained at that level. 23% ist positivity at concerning. that is well over the 10% threshold that is noted to get onto the list. the 23% tells us not only there are many cases, but likely many undetected cases. that combined with the conversations we have had with the counties and our understanding of the impact on the care delivery system has moved us to take this focused attention effort with imperial county.

working closely with county officials and will be working with them as we advise them to be stepping back from where they currently are in terms of their movement through the stages and looking at ways in which we can work more effectively through on the ground attention and support from many different agencies to help support that county moving back and addressing the concerning increased rates. lancaster, pennsylvania, vince is on the line. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good? caller: with joe biden being here a few days ago the local media liens with joe. folks here are doing what they feel they need to do.

every time donald trump is seen without a mask. we do not look at the local media -- i do not anyway -- to tell me who is wearing a mask, who is not. on every other show, every other day, all the doctors on all the shows -- i don't know why the white house would have briefings anymore. with the confusion at the jump on the white house anytime somebody does not have a mask on, your left to fend for yourself. use common sense. i wear a mask when i go out. i would not sit in a restaurant at this point, but they politicize the mask so bad that

folks are left to do what they need to do that is important to themselves. wgal heret is a shame in lancaster -- if you are not a democrat, you are horrible. it is disgusting how the media is taking this. people are confused, they are scared to go out, they are not sure what layers of masks they need. this is gone off the rails. host: those were comments from vince. indianapolis now with fred. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: whenever i am out i wear a mask. is a change in which i am not horrified for carrying out. i fail to understand what is it this virus, being as tragic as

it is to the black community and people of color, that we have all of these people running around without masks on? especially those who call themselves trumpians. they do not feel they should wear a mask. i do not understand it. i cannot understand why people are such idiots. why is it they do not care about others? why is it they are so important they do not have to wear a mask and others died because of their stupidity? truly stupid. we have a president who is stupid and all his followers are stupid. the europeanway, union is going to restrict most u.s. residents from visiting amid the pandemic. this is from the guardian.com and they write the eu is set to restrict most u.s. residents

when travel restarts due to concerns about the coronavirus. officials are in the process of settling on a final safe list of countries whose residents could travel in july, but the u.s., brazil, and russia are set to be excluded. the list does include china on the condition they allowed eu travelers to visit there. we have janet from florida. caller: good morning. i would just like to say you said mr. pentz is coming to florida. i would like for him to stay away from my family. most of them are essential if he is note -- good wear masks will he stay ?way from my family echo he says we should pray for this

to be over. i am going to pray that he does not cover on my family. you have a good day. host: you have a good day too. perceiving a coronavirus test in tampa, you can see two children sitting in the backseat of a car and what is being tested. barsimits were placed on in response to a surgeon cases. of ron the governor desantis with reporters yesterday. [video clip] >> you said we want to trust people to make the right decisions, follow the masks, but your also said younger people are not wearing masks. can people be trusted to do the right thing and wear a mask voluntarily? thisthink when people saw , atoff out of the news least in florida, people were

not talking about it. then you had two weeks of protest were nobody was talking about it. i think people looked at that and decided, you know, we are back to normal. let us go back and do our thing. i think people understand you still need to be able to do the basic social distancing and take the basic precautions to be able to protect yourself, but particularly your family members. that is something that is very important. for example, we had a 10 person prohibition,it, a in place statewide until june 4. weather gatherings bigger than 10 people going around? did you see that? i think you did. they are still in place in south florida. i know you have seen big gatherings there. the ideas you are going to mandate and selectively prosecute people, i don't think that is going to work. i think what will work is

consistent messaging, letting people know what they can do to help protect themselves and others, and you can have local folks, if they want to do different ordinances -- there are parts of florida where it would not make sense. you do not have the same cases, it is not something where the incidents are as high. you have also had sheriff's come out and say they will not enforce those mandates. at the end of the day we advised it almost two months ago and have continued to do it. i think that is the better approach than trying prosecute someone criminally for it. host: we have time for a couple of more calls. joseph from bronx, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. i am originally from central new york and i live in the bronx, but i go back and forth to upstate new york.

to protectmask others. it is not necessarily about you. refuse to wearat a mask or they think they know more than the experts, you can go back to the black plague in the 14th century and they even figured out to wear masks. 1918 pandemic, they figured out to wear masks. now. not just the people these people did not take biology class and did not pay attention or something and it has become so politicized. what happened to the selflessness with the greatest generation? world war ii, people sacrificed and no hip income such a selfish, narcissistic society. me andll about me, me,

it is sad to see how politicized this has become. thank you. host: robert is on the line from kentucky. what is the situation in your area? caller: we are good here. cases, but i many just want to tell you something. all the stuff about trump and all the stuff he has done, why don't they say anything about these people that sit out here in protest not wearing masks? you don't hear the media say nothing about that. i do not understand. why don't the media say something about that? it is not -- president is doing all he can do. these democrats are fighting on the television.

rid of all of them bastards and start over and then we will have a good country. host: dr. fauci will be on the hill again with his research colleagues on the senate side tuesday morning. we will have that live for unc c-span3. up a big take infrastructure bill next week. they will spend most of the week on infrastructure. the set returns monday at 3:00 and will begin on another large bill, over $700 billion, and authorizing money for defense for the next year. here is a headline at arizona central.com. the governor pleading with people to stay home, but does not invoke stricter measures. calling recent spikes unacceptable. he pleaded with arizonans to

take every step possible to reverse the trend. going out, distance yourself from others, wear a mask, and stuck gathering in large groups. he did not take added steps to mandate changes to the public's behavior. will see if that changes as it is started to change and other states like texas and florida where they are shutting things down again. paul from minnesota. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to say i happened to get lucky. wheren a low-lying area it is not too bad yet for the virus. our sisters and i'm right in the middle. three of them are dead center in really effective areas. at the time this came out, i

have lung problems myself, but i had already had masks well before this thing took off. i heard trump last night -- what they were saying is that trump is trying to get people kicked off medicare. security?r social i run the race day program for my insurance because i was also injured very badly in workplace. know how to tell i see these people going out in florida scared to death and they are looking at cameras and saying, we are tough, we will get through it. like trump says, it will just wash away. i feel it we are going to be in this for a couple of years. host: last call.

california.beach has this impacted your behavior? caller: it changed my whole life. i am 65 and if you do not wear a mask, you are risking other people's lives. do not be so selfish. he watched all of these people at the beaches and a huntington beach protest here in the tulsa rally and now arizona. people do not realize this virus is 1000 times more infectious than the sars virus was. maskless events, it was going to spread like crazy. this is not the government forcing you to wear a mask. infectiousing a virus from killing the old people, the sick people. because of your selfishness and stupidity for doing -- because

of your selfishness and stupidity for doing what trump and pence want us to do, they might have a cure, i don't know, but they certainly don't care about us. economy bolstering the by killing off all the seniors on social security, the people on disability and the people on welfare. that is his plan. he does not care about our country. he doesn't even care about his fox news brainwashed idiots. he just wants their votes to get reelected so he can continue to rll in our country -- to uin our country and world. neighbortrump-loving who believes the coronavirus dies in one second in the sunlight so he does not wear a mask. he is 72 years old. host: thanks to everybody who took part in the last hour about the coronavirus and how you might be changing your behavior

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continues. host: joining us is scott ross rasmussen, he is a political analyst. thank you for joining us. >> good morning, great to be with you. host: lots to talk about. the pandemic and the economy. i wanted to start with the results of a couple of polls. the first one happen on june 9. is theed the question, worst still to come, is the worst behind us or not? i wanted to compare two figures. 15 days prior to the latest poll on june 9, 45% said the worst is yet to come. 15 days later, it went from 42% to 54% of americans feeling the worst is yet to come. what has changed? give us your perspective.

guest: first of all, this idea of 64% saying the worst is yet to come is the most pessimistic number would have found yet. i have been pulling on this regularly since the pandemic took over the nation. in the very beginning, we found a lot of concern that it was going to take a long time, but i initially, people thought it would last a couple of months. this is an emotional roller coaster. i live in manhattan. a few weeks ago, all of the buildings near me were boarded up. i got really excited when some of the boards came down and the apple store opened. began getting excited about boards coming down, that is a low level of interest. we have seen this roller coaster, but in the last couple of weeks, a couple of things happened. you have been talking already about the number of cases, the number of people infected going up. there have been reports of

different hotspots that is making people nervous without maybe it was all behind us. another thing going on, people are beginning to grapple with the fact that this is not something we endure for a couple of months. it is changing people's decisions. manynot show you how people i know from manhattan who have left or are living. these are lifetime changes in many of them are said. then finally the economy itself, people continue to believe that it is getting worse. there is this combination of factors and, yes, i expect the roller coaster will continue. at expect there are moments will begin to get optimistic and then the reverse will happen. it is also important to note, this is not something we are feeling in unity across the country. there are partisan differences. but there is also a difference between people going to work right now, working and interacting with customers and others are much more optimistic

and much more inclined to say, we need to open up more quickly than before working from home and not having the kind of interaction. it will be a roller coaster the matter how we do it. we will keep tracking the numbers. host: we are talking the coronavirus and public opinion, talking the economy as well, with scott rasmussen. we will put the phone numbers on the bottom of the screen. for folks in the eastern and central time zones, 202-748-8000. in the western time zones, mountain and pacific, 202-748-8001. for his this owners, 202-748-8002 -- for business owners. what kind of businesses have been hit hardest so far, and what you advocate if anything for those businesses moving forward? guest: all kinds of businesses

have been hurt. when businesses completely locked down -- i live in new york, we have seen a strong lockdown as anywhere. but there is a different impact on businesses. i know that government officials have in trying to give advance notice to the largest employers in the city. small businesses complain a lot that they cannot even get guidance from government officials that last two days. they say i was told i could do this next week, then they called me back and said i could not. there is a lot of confusion. just like every american has been impacted in some ways, every business has. we have done some work on a concept known as the workplace recovery act. this is an idea that these businesses were hurt and lost money because the government ordered them to shut down. you are a restaurant owner, you are told you cannot open up.

even if you can, now it is a smaller number but you have to pay your rent. the concept would be that the government should reimburse companies for the losses incurred because of the government orders. it is a pretty popular concept in polling, and the reason is simple, it seems fair. they broke it, they bought it type of thing. there are a couple of other proposals floating around. some republicans say we have already spent too much money, we afford to spend much more. whatever the merits may be from an ideological point of view, it is a loser it a political sense. the president is already training by double digits. if we held the election today, he would lose. if you indicate that your lead is that we will not spend any more money, that would make a bad situation for the president worse. democrats seem to be aligning behind a plan to prop up the

states because of their lost revenue. that would protect a lot of workers'jobs, that is fairly popular as well on a standalone basis. but if you end up with a choice between, you want to help reimburse small businesses for their losses so they can put people to work in the private sector, or do you want to reimburse governments for lost tax revenue so they protect government jobs, it is pretty clear where people end up, very much supportive of getting money in the private sector in a way to estimate the hiring and retaining of workers. host: before we get to the phone calls there are the main bullet points for the work race recovery act to compensate businesses for revenue lost to restore demand for u.s. goods and services. tell us more about this legislation. guest: well, the legislation itself is built around the

constitutional principle that government cannot run in and take a piece of your property without compensating for it. again, this is a very simple concept. there is a lot of details to be worked out, i suspect as it goes through the legislative process, it will change. but the biggest focus is, it is narrowly defined to address losses specifically activated to lockdown orders, to the pandemic response. -- with the be used exception of the smallest businesses -- to be used as consuming for payroll. you can take this money, but you have to put people back to work. in a nation where you have 40 million people who have lost their jobs in recent months, the continuing concern about the economy, 55% of voters continue to believe it is getting worse. so this is something, a plan

that does spend a lot more money than some on the right want, but it is directed to a very specific loss that was caused by government orders. host: let's go to calls, plenty coming in for scott rasmussen of ballotpedia, editor at large. from providence, rhode island, a business owner. carl. caller: hi. byaw an interesting comment newt gingrich to sean hannity a couple of days ago. he said that if trump follows this pattern of contrasting joe biden -- the man cannot even put together a sentence -- chuck pelosi, in nancy contrast all 20 of them versus donald trump, and if the economy still has is somewhat upwards swing, he said trump would win easy.

you can check that. i was taken aback by that. republicans are going to do it inside strike out-of-the-box. new york, california, no way. ok? so that struck me. either way, i am not surprised. cross schneider from providence, have a good one. host: thanks for calling. newt gingrich did make news, trump.g about president put together that with what the former speaker said about the economy, the virus and the election. guest: let us start with the fact that if the election were held today, the president would lose badly, probably lose -- the republicans would probably lose the senate. my latest polling shows the president trailing joe biden by 12 points. however, we are in an enormously volatile situation. when president obama run for reelection, he had been dealing with the economy most of his first term.

people, whether they loved him or hated him, had their opinion pretty well-established. when george w. bush ran for reelection, he had been dealing with the 9/11 situation most of his first term, so attitudes were pretty well-established. we are in a situation where we have two enormous issues on the scene just six months before an election, one, the pandemic and the economic crisis related to it, the second, all the civil rights tensions unleashed by the killing of george floyd. so these issues are very volatile. the reason that joe biden has opened up such a big lead right now. but because of all activity, things could change. i am not saying things could be easy right now for the president, but if the next several jobs reports show 20 million people or 30 million people or seminar must number of people coming back to work, and

small businesses are becoming optimistic, it could shift to some degree. if that discussion of civil rights shifts from the focus on racial inequalities in the country, and if the protests were to become more violent and the focus was more on law and order, that could change things as well. one polling detail that is important for people to be aware lead hast joe biden's been growing primarily because people who used to say they supported president trump are now in the undecided category. they have not flipped from trump joe biden as much as i have held back a little bit on their support. reasons for that maybe -- almost certainly are involved with the racial tensions going on. that particular issue is a very weak spot for the president. second thing is concerned -- we talked about it at the top of

the hour -- people concerned about the pandemic. more pessimistic than they were a few weeks ago. so right now there is a people, 5%here these or 6% of voters who said they would support trump are now in the undecided category. if they begin to come back home, if the enthusiasm for president trump eventually grows stronger than the enthusiasm for biden, anything could happen. i believe the range of outcomes from this election could be from a trump victory, all the way to the president suffering a herbert hoover type loss, just a historic loss for any income is running for reelection. host: more of your calls in a moment. some of the numbers from ballotpedia and its work on 2020 voting issues. 30% of the economy say the the economy is a top issue. 11% say law and order. 60%, civil rights.

here is a quick look at president trump yesterday -- 60 percent say civil rights. here is a quick look at president trump yesterday speaking at the white house on the economy. [video clip] pres. trump: we built the greatest economy the world has ever seen. now we have to bring it back because we had to close in order to save millions of lives. we added 2.5 million jobs last month which was incredible, the largest monthly increase in history. more than doubled the previous record. we are bringing it back. we had the greatest ever. we had to close it and now we bring it back, and we start off with 2.5 million jobs in one month. i would say that is pretty good. the highest ever done. surgede, retail sales nearly 18% last month, the biggest jump ever recorded. that is great. the stock market, you go back

one week, it saw the best 50 days in its history. best 50-day increase in the history of the stock markets. host: at the same time, scott rasmussen your polling suggests now that 39% of democrats on the trusty and 38% republicans on the economy. 14%, neither. 9%, not sure. basically a tie between democrats and republicans between who people think, which party is in the best position to handle the economy. those numbers surprise you at all? guest: the numbers reflect how much of the world has changed since the beginning of the year. in january, we were talking about record low unemployment rates. the president had weak numbers in some areas, but people trusted him more when it came to handling the economy. i think it is really important to emphasize, none of us have

been through anything like this pandemic before. when they had the spanish flu in 1918, they hadn't even started statistics,ployment so we don't have any benchmarks for comparison on this. that, right now, people are much more pessimistic about the economy. the issue is much different that it was in january. i also know that, historically, when people give bad news about the economy, whether it is an enormously bad news, like 40 million people losing their jobs, or even what seems like minor bad news, when gas prices go up, people's confidence in the economy shrinks right away. when they get good news, it comes back slowly. great, you, that's had a jobs report where to put 5 million people got their job back. we are waiting for the other show -- you had a jobs report

where 2.5 million people got their job back, we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. it will take a while for people to start feeling comfortable about the economy. right now democrats and republicans are equally trusted on the economy, a very bad sign for the president's re-election. host: mike is calling from north carolina. thank you. go ahead. caller: thank you. that the top issue is the economy. talking about good news and bad news, there is a media-driven extreme hysteria that is causing economic downturn. you couple that with people afraid of their own shadow and you get what we've got. 9, benox news april carson. says there is a 98% survival

rate. yet the media wants to focus on the death rate instead of the survival rate. i don't get it. have a good day. host: mr. rasmussen. guest: first off, when you talk about the perceptions that we have about the economy or anything else, one of the things i always go back to is a book by the founder of pixar called "creativity inc." company focus on how a can retain creativity. one of the points he made is that there is scientific evidence that when we see something with our eyes, what our brain sees and what our brain actually picks up, only 40% of it comes in with our eyes. 60% comes in with what we expect to see. so when you have news coming in whether about the pandemic, the

economy, or anything else, what we see comes in with what we expect to see. so if you are a democrat who is convinced that this economy is a disaster and donald trump's policies are horrible, every bit of these you see is making it worse. if you are a republican and you have the opposite views, every bit of news will make it seem better. same with a pandemic. it is like being in a sports bar with a friend who works for the other team. the referee makes a call and you both see it differently. nobody is seeing them in the same way. when you talk about what it means for people being back to work, and how they are processing their concerns, people are doing it with their own risk assessments. people who are actually out working right now are more confident in the economy. they want to see it open faster. they are more comfortable with the health risks than the people staying home.

and not interrupting with other people. from in use point of view -- from a news point of view, the people sitting at home that tend to be the more educated, professional class, much more aligned with where the media narrative would be -- and it is not a question of an agenda to get donald trump or anything else, it is simply the people who are staying home are more concerned about health issues, and they happen to be in a group that is much more aged in that media -- more engaged in that media conversation. like pelosicians try to deceive the public by changing the meaning of the president's statements. for example, more testing it was more cases, to mean do more testing. to the media knows this causes distrust? speaking of the role of the media and the pandemic. guest: the role of the media is that it is there to be distrusted in the modern era.

i have done pulling over the years showing that whenever -- polling over the years showing that when a reporter tells you something, people treat it with the same level of credibility as say it wikipedia reference. that ifelieve strongly a news reporter found some information that would harm their favorite candidate, that they would hide that information. they would protect their candidate rather than informing the public. a really sad state of affairs, but that is where we are. that is why there is not a lot of trust. another aspect of it, if you want to talk about the cable channels or any other sources, they emphasize different stories. i have seen some research that presents a bunch of actually accurate statements. yet notly verifiable, one of them is recognized as true by the majority of voters. some of them are recognized as fo factual by fox news

spans. why, because -- some of them are recognized as factual by fox news fans. some of them not by nbc news fans. when i was growing up, three television networks had 90% of the television audience. you got the same stories from all of them. it was not nearly as diverse an opinion as it is today. we have a lot of sources and we need to find ways to process it that are. host: dave in san antonio good morning, dave. caller: good morning. is aieve that this economy very, very good economy that will rebound as soon as this dumb disease is handled. i believe that -- my son-in-law a hospitalor of system here in san antonio, and he says they are actually paying ifpitals more to treat --

you have a covid patient, you get more money. i don't know why that is. die of a heart test you havey covid, they will put on the death certificate, covid. hisfellow in minnesota, death certificate reads the covid virus. the death count on these diseases are unnaturally high. where are the heart attacks? you know? all of these counts are in the blue states. if you notice, the big problem is the blue states. i understand texas we have had a surge, but that ms. because of much more testing. my wife was tested the other day because she had to go see her doctor and to see her doctor, she had to get tested. tested toet

turn right or turn left here in texas. so you will find all of these asymptomatic people. it is naturally going to increase the people that contracted it. host: thank you, dave. interesting perspective thre ere. guest: when i first got involved in political analysis i did a lot of work on federal budget issues one thing i would say to different audiences is that i could go to any audience and pick any segment of the federal budget and use factual data to make a point that federal spending in that area has gone up, down, or stayed the same in any period of time you want. we are on the same case with all of these covid statistics. yes, there is a battle between

-- a messaging battle between blue state governors and red state governors. andrew cuomo and ron desantis are trading barbs along the way. that is part of the political process. ultimately, when we look back on this era, a year from now or two years from now, that will be the only time we can get a real accounting of just how much of this -- of these increased deaths came from covid. the way we will tell is, what is the difference between the normal number of deaths in america -- people do die every day -- the difference between a normal level, and what is the difference between the level during the pandemic? early on, there was a significant spike particularly in new york city, but we're not quite sure where it is now. that means we will be arguing about these statistics. yes, there is evidence to make both cases.

i can make the argument easily that it is not just because of testing, there are more people being infected especially as states open up, but the age of those infected is much lower, they are far less likely to be harmed. i can make the other case as well. good news is we have these arguments going. bad news is we have a deadly pandemic in the nation that we are trying to grapple with, and nobody has the final or the ultimate solution on how this should be handled. it is something we have to go through one day at a time and learn from our mistakes. it is mistakes on both sides. it is important to remember that people who are locked in, people who don't go out or stay in, it is not as if they are 100% safe and people who go out are at risk. , pullinglots of data data showing that people will have been locked into their homes and don't go out have

higher rates of depression. there is a tremendous increase in alcohol purchases. so there are issues with social isolation as well, and we need to find that balance. ultimately, i believe the balance will be found not by government orders, but the way individuals respond to the orders.ent host: governments are eyeing new taxes according to the "washington post" to cover coronavirus-related costs. talking about taxing cigarettes a bit more. the tech giants. as huge state shortfalls loom. we have been talking federal levels. but states have to take their bills, they have to balance their budgets. what do you see coming? guest: the biggest thing that will help all the state and federal budgets is going to be a bolstered economy. until that happens, it will be very difficult to raise enough

tax revenue. the comparison i would draw at this point, very much like world war ii. the country spent whatever it had to to win that war. it was the battle for the safety of the alliance. the battle for the safety of our nation. at the end of our war -- the end of that war, the federal government had debt totaling more than twice the national income. two,over a generation or it gradually work that down to a manageable level, about 30% of gdp. that is what is going to happen here. there is no way to raise enough tax revenue to pay the shortfalls at this point in time. is, is going to happen after we get through this, whether through the finding of a vaccine, or simply time passing, the federal government will have an enormous debt even relative to where we were before. we spent $3 trillion last quarter, more than any other

year. on top of that, you are going to have these state deficits, it will have to be paid off over probably a generation. states will have to spend less. there will be less government programs at all levels. and taxes will end up going up somewhat. but, again, you will not raise enough tax revenue to cover the costs anywhere near, in any kind of a shor timeframe. host: jerry in minnesota, good morning. caller: good morning. i am a little amused. another expert that has got 100% confidence that is backed up by very, very poor performance numbers. both medical experts and the coronavirus. -- a monkeys throwing a dart at the board would have gotten better than

him on predictions. rasmussen and all the polls that have been wrong during the last 2016 election. i am wondering when people will realize they are not reliable. either there is something wrong with their methodology or there is bias in their questioning. -- he will bed elected, i know that for sure. really? i knew that, scott? too.new that in 61'16, your polls are biased by who you are calling, by your questions, and -- you come up with a political stance. you say you are giving advice to people? i would ask who pays you. i imagine, just like other experts, whoever is paying you gets the outcome yo they want. host: thanks, jerry. this is a good chance, mr.

rasmussen, to explain your work methodology, who pays you, anything you can to respond to that color. guest: i am excited that he asked that question, because one of the great myths of 2016 is that the polls got it wrong. simply not true. the polls were good. the analysis and the expectations were horrible, the models based on polls predicting what would happen or horrible. but the polls were good. hillary clinton in the average of all the national polls won by three percentage points, a very good result. polls,u go to the state the big three surprises were michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. notlooked at the polls, what people talked about or about the myth of the big blue wall, the polls in michigan and pennsylvania were both tossups. the average of all polls was a tossup.

the last poll in each of those states should president trump ahead. the only place there was a real polling miss was in wisconsin. it was not being pulled that polled thate -- much because it was not in anybody's radar. it is very difficult to get a good sample. it was much easier when i began when most people answer their phone. differentve to find ways of connecting to people, make sure you get a good sample that is regionally representative, a good mix across pages and races, suburban versus arvind, all sorts of factors, -- suburban versus urban, all sorts of factors. like education. a poll asook at --ing this is the pending

they are a good measure. going into election day, joe biden is up 12 points, where they are now, or 10 points, i have absolutely no doubt saying that he will win and be elected president. the fact that they say he is 10 points up now does not mean he is going to win, it means that the election is still 4 months away and a lot can change. in terms of our own work, every time we do a poll, and the interview some people on phones but mostly take different ways of finding them, started with registered voter list, when you begin to look do , one of the most important things -- when you begin to do this, one of the most important things is what is paying you. we disclose that every time you have a sponsored poll. ballotpedia is the encyclopedia of american politics. i am happy to do pulling work for them.

we have been talking a bit about the recovery act. there is a group called the workplace recovery alliance who wants to see what it does and wants information on it. when we put the poll out, it is their data, fully disclosed. who is paying for it and what the methodology is. again, i think it is important for people to get a sense of the distinction between polls and the analysis of polls. in 2016, the polls showing hillary clinton leading, almost everybody in the room thought the actual margin would be bigger. they thought it would be five points or six points. a couple of people thought it would approach double digits. it never occurred to anybody that it could go the other way, they were not looking precisely at the data. again, to hammer home the point, if you went to the politics advantage on election day, 2016,

he would have seen that only around 207 electoral college votes were clearly in hillary clinton's column. there was obviously room for change, for a surprise. the odds were that she had the edge, that it was not a sure thing. and as early as june or july, when i was on fox news, we would talk about the path donald trump had to the white house, i did not expect or predict he would win, but i did show that it was easy to get him close to 270 electoral votes. and if there were surprises, they would be in the three states that ended up being a surprise -- which again, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. host: greg from alabama, you're on the air. hello, greg. caller: good morning. two parts real quick. first part, i actually had corona in february. it was pretty severe.

i am a guy that is in good shape and it wore me out. but i did not die. seems to me that 82% of the graphs are people over 66 -- of the deaths are people 66 years of age and over. so the rest of the country can go to work. we cannot kill the economy. it was severe, but i was not hospitalized. my wife had it as well. it is time to get back to work. i don't know exactly numbers, somewhere around 3 million people tested in germany or europe. 3 million people tested, 20 plus million here, those numbers are not going to be close. i don't think you can compare the two, as we test more, we get more cases. i will leave that alone. when i look at the media, there is fear mongering over this. as far as polls go, you guys may

not be as old as me, but world war ii -- we came out world war ii with a lot of prosperity. late 60's, protests of the war, of the police, all of authority, burning the flag, raising hell. we end up with jimmy carter a few years later. double-digit inflation, double-digit employment, 440 days of hostages, panama canal, bad trade deal with china, probably one of the worst president ever sit in office. we have now gone through the recovery and are back to the same page as a time from '85 10 now. hell,generation, raising challenging authority and burning the flag. seems as though 4 years of biden might be the same cure we get out of jimmy carter.

elected president there probably has dementia. may put a vice president like abrams which, i think she has a negative net worth. not been successful in anything. it will be interesting to see where this country goes. i am retiring in four years. my time is over and i am leaving it up to the kids. i am not excited about either candidate. but the polling on this before they debate, a president with dementia and having him debate, i think the polling at this point is a moot point. host: thanks, greg. let's get a response from our guest. guest: when i watched the space x launch a few weeks ago, it brought back memories from my childhood watching the apollo program. i was fascinated by the space program. but i was troubled by a factor that just like in the late

1960's, the excitement and the thrill and the technological accomplishment was often in the backdrop of racial tension and really serious concerns about our nation, so i think there are similarities to that. but i think we're in a different context. in the 1970's, there began to be a growth in the centralization of our political process. you had more and more power has been flowing consistently to official washington in the last 40 years. everything about our political process has become more centralized. the 1970's, we had the invention of microprocessor. we had apple and microsoft. we began to see a decentralizing of american society. right now, we live in a nation where society is much more decentralized than it was in the late 1960's and early 1970's. people have the ability to access information far better than they did in my

childhood. on your cellion phone than from all sources in the 1970's. there has been a building for acades of a class between centralized political system and a decentralizing in society. i am an optimist about america. i believe the future is bright even if our political system is broken, but it will get worse before it gets better. we are going through the getting worse phase. when we come out of it, we will have to rebuild societal norms, a very difficult process. at this point in time, the first thing you want to do is focus on the next couple of months, seeing what can be done with the economy. that is the reason we are talking about issues like the workplace recovery act. the longer-term picture will be working out how we define fundamental founding ideals like equality, self-governance, and

freedom in the 21st century. host: down to our last couple of minutes with our guest, scott rasmussen. you may remember the name rasmussen from espn. you were one of the cofounders with your father of espn. you mentioned struggles before so i thought i would bring it up again. so much talk out there about basketball, baseball, the pending football season, crowds together a games. tell us how important the return of sports, if it can happen, how important it is to the national mood, to our way of life, to the economy. what is your take? guest: i am really glad you brought that up because sometimes especially in the polling world and the political world, we get hung up on numbers. that is whats guy, i write about them for ballotpedia. when we talk about people feeling better or worse about

about they or pandemic or if there is worse to come mother is an emotional or missing. athink there is going to be tremendous lift of the spirit when there is something new to watch on television, but it will be balanced by the sentiment of seeing no fans in the stadium. it will be an important step to the road -- on the road to recovery. a quick example to give a little flavor to it. not too long ago, after being locked in for a very long time, my wife and i were finally able to get out and actually have a drink in the bar with other people. we were socially distanced roles, weew york city had masks on and all kinds of other things -- new york city rules, we had masks on and all

kinds of other things. but the joy of going out, it was like a first date, really exciting. as sports comes back, it will be the same excitement. it will be a good boost to the national mood. but then after a little while, people will say, you need to go back to be able to see these things in person. host: one last call, morgantown, west virginia, ralph. caller: early this morning, i was watching c-span 2, a replay of a congressional committee hearing on the coronavirus that was held yesterday. and for 30 minutes, i sat there and watched the republicans on one side and the democrats on the other, the republicans, none of them wearing facemasks. all the democrats wearing facemasks. the republican from tennessee siding studies basically saying that the masks have little to no

effect. on the democrat side, citing studies showing that it can reduce the chance of spreading the disease by multiple times, etc., etc. at the end of the day, i don't think anybody can debate the fact that covid-19 is a killinge pandemic hundreds of thousands and going on millions of people or at least going on one million people. it is difficult for me to understand what the problem is with people wearing a mask. it appears to me that we are only one of two countries on the planet that has politicized this issue. we have turned a public health issue into a political statement.

-- >> he tells his followers not to wear a mask. brazil has now exploited. there.st daughter lives i spoke to her mother the day before yesterday. her mother said, there was no way she could go to the bank because all of the hospitals in the city are full. if you get sick in that city, you are waiting in the street. is that what it is going to take to happen here in this country? host: we will give you a chance, mr. rasmussen, to wrap up what the economyrd, or as the country moves forward. guest: it is true that wearing a mask has become political. although most people who say they don't feel they need a

mask, most of them are willing to where it out of respect fathers. in washington, everything is -- out of respect for others. in washington, everything is more politicized. a lot of people don't think there is a need. they don't feel a personal risk or for their family, but they respect others who have that concern. i think that nuanced approach will get us through this. in polling, we find that if you somebody, would you feel comfortable going to a restaurant right now or some other activity, a lot of people say, no. you say, what if they developed the upper social distancing protocols? you get a large number saying yes. then you say, what if it was your favorite restaurant? the numbers go through the roof -- of course, we would go to our favorite restaurant if they had these protocols because we trust them. there will always be disagreements on what safety protocols should be.

those will be individual decisions and they will respond to those individuals -- different people will pursue them in different ways. i want to go back to the economy. people believe strongly that if businesses or other organizations adopt social distancing protocols, they should be allowed to open. tore is a reluctance continue to have mandated lockdowns. recommendations, guidelines, that is a different topic. but there is a desire that people make as much of these decisions for themselves as possible. the other part of that is there is a recognition that governments have caused economic harm. that does not mean it is unjustified, there has been an unprecedented dynamic, but economic harm has been caused by forcing businesses to shut down.

and there is a sense of fairness in america, you never see it in politics. washington, you will see a lack of sense of fairness and a great desire for messaging and power. but in america as a whole, there is a desire for fairness and it to, if these businesses were forced to shut down and they encounter losses, they should be reimbursed for those losses. it is also something that would help put people back into private sector jobs. one step in getting the economy back to where it should be. host: scott rasmussen is editor at large of ballotpedia. place toussen.com is a go for his analytical work in his poll work as well. thank you for your time and insights. guest: thank you. have a great day. host: we will shift gears to talk about the lease reform. our guest will be barry friedman

of nyu school of laws policing project, to talk about police reform and the effects of community policing. you are watching "washington journal." we will be right back. ♪ >> please watch book tv this summer. saturday evening at 8 p.m. eastern, settle in and watch several hours of your favorite authors. tonight, we are author and historian david mccullough, author of over a dozen books including "the right brothers," "the american system." and watch saturday as we watch the author and founder of "the national review," william f. buckley on c-span2.

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c-span q&a -- sunday night on c-span's q&a. on tuesday, coronavirus task force members dr. anthony fauci, dr. robert redfield, dr. stephen hahn and assistant secretary of d.alth, admiral brett giroir m testify about what federal, state government and local governments are doing to help americans get back to school in the fall as safely as possible. coverage beginning at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3, on-demand at c-span.org, or listen live on the free c-span radio app. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us now is barry 'siedman the policing project faculty director at new york university school of law here to talk to us about police reform and related matters. mr. friedman, first explain for us what the policing project is

all about. are based on a premise that has escaped a lot of folks about the issue of policing reform, which is that we talk all the time about accountability. there are two different types of accountability in government. in most of government, we focus other.and policing the policing accountability seems to be always about holding someone responsible after something has gone wrong. that includes criminal prosecutions and civil rights actions, civilian review boards and body cameras. government, of the cut accountability is about people having a voice upfront, their elected representatives passing laws transparently that govern different areas of whatever the regulated industry is with public input. we don't do that around policing. our organization is dedicated to changing that. host: what caught our attention was an op-ed you wrote in the "wall street journal," how to

rethink policing is the headline. you write that cops should not be sent to deal with social problems like substance abuse, mental illness and homelessness that they are not trained to handle. tell us more. guest: one of our big strategic areas is called reimagining public safety based in part on some of the same assumptions of the defund folks. i don't think many police would disagree with the assumption that, in society, we have decided to call police to deal with every problem we don't want to deal with. whether it is homelessness or substance abuse or mental illness, even traffic enforcement. we ask the cops to do all of this. they are not particularly suited to it. they are trained for two major .hings they will not solve all those problems. you can address them in better ways if you thought out-of-the-box. we have been doing that and focusing on that issue.

we would be happy to send an op-ed to everybody who is interested if you email us at project.org." host: if you have any experience dealing with law 202-748-8000.all if you work in law enforcement, call 202-748-8001. everyone else, you are welcome 202-748-8002. we look forward to hearing your stories and questions for our friedman, faculty director of the policing project at the law school at new york university. community policing is something that is talked about quite a bit these days. what is the definition of community policing? guest: there is not a definition of community policing. one of the problems is that it is in the eye of the beholder. the core idea, the one we think matters -- we have a project on

the ground in chicago that does this, to get the cops off their radius so they are not running from call to call, and to engage with the community. give them a chance to get to know folks and work with people in the committee to solve problems, whether it is a drug house or traffic problems around a local school, whatever it is. but we have distorted that idea of community policing. many police departments refer to developing social interaction with their community, whether coffee with a cop or the aesthetically. that is important -- or unathletia athletic leaguen. that is important. but community policing is a more intensive effort to make sure the police are working together to produce public safety. host: the house and senate have been working on federal police legislation.

the senate is gridlocked now, after a vote not to advance the senate bill, tim scott's bill. the democratic bill in the house did pass. what the make of the federal piece of this, and is federal legislation and police reform really an effective solution? guest: so i will take the second part first, because it is a great question. a number of other academics who run academic centers recently released a report you can find on our others, that talks about what legislation is needed at the federal, state, and local levels. the federal government is tricky because they have fewer resources to influence local policing than state law, which is a very logical place to do this sort of regulation. but the federal government has tools it doesn't use. the primary tool the federal government has is at touching conditions to funding grants. it gives police departments money and says, if you want the money, you have to do this.

that has been ineffective. the other thing congress could do and should do is that under section v of the 14th amendment that guarantees due process and equal protection of the law, it can enforce that by passing legislation. congress could mandate a national use of force policy and mandate the collection of demographic information around racial profiling. congress can mandate much more. that.s not want to do it would have to create a record to do that, but it should do that. host: let's get a phone call from bill and we will talk deeper about this concept of police reform and what is going on around the country. bill in illinois. we understand caller: i was stopped for a very -- it came on my car.

i was amazed, i was not speeding. aggressive ig how thought the police were. of -- whoa. what i want to say with that hand,ence, on the other 30 years ago in south miami there was a shootout with the fbi. somebi was following people down u.s. 1. they got into a gunfight. they found they were totally outmanned with conventional weapons. law enforcement went to very heavy artillery. they lost for fbi agents that day. deescalate the

aggressiveness of police in terms of how they interact with people and on the other hand they basically have to be really bad people out there? host: thank you for calling. guest: that's a terrific question. there are two pieces to it. let's take them separately. one of the things we are focused on is traffic enforcement. , thee may not know this same number of people die every year on highways as die from gun violence. the question is does traffic enforcement help with that at all? when you think about traffic enforcement, is it taillights out?

seek consent to search cars. there is a program the federal government initiated years ago and many here to. they are going to use lots of traffic stops to reduce crime and violence. and ita is bankrupt takes a bunch of your time. the psychological harm, the shot, profiling, cops get individuals get injured. is an area we've got to look at. for some of these, they're a license plate readers. you can send the ticket to somebody in the mail. we don't have to have police intervening. if you make the point that they do have interaction, the cops need to be prepared. there is truth to that.

there are incidents were something is delivering a pizza and it turns dangerous. aaa shows up and it turns dangerous. tools,ice do need the there are violent people in society and somebody needs to be prepared to deal with it. that is the problem, you create that problem by approaching things that way. host: jenny is in maryland. good morning. caller: good morning to your guest. some police reform bill. billof the things in the deal with establishing collection, data things of training,

that nature. bill is justs this a band-aid on a gaping wound. trainot believe you can the racism that some of the cops have, you can't train the racism out of them. they need to be removed from the force. there is nothing in tim scott's bill that deals with techniques such as the chokehold illegal, a policy is not law. a policy is not a law. precincts,ice they've already banned the use of the chokehold. and yet, some police officers still use it. nothing happens to them. host: thank you for your thoughts. barry friedman, what would you

say about the hiring and training of police and how to deal with that? that: i want to start with point which is exactly right, a policy is not a lot. haves why we areuntability and why there laws on our website. when people are annually -- angry because cap's not held accountable, we don't have laws that tell the cops what to do. i don't think the police need to resist this. they would do better to have a legal framework. if you ask about hiring and training, it's really unfortunate what has happened in society. unlike every other area of government where we have established regulatory schemes, in policing the only instruction

we give police is maintain order and enforce the law. they kind of figure it out on their own. there is no centralized authority. we get these bad outcomes. the caller referred to a band-aid. we approach this as a band-aid when we need a model that improves policing overall. everyone in society would be better off for it. host: we will go back to calls. i want to place camden, new jersey. you were part of a project in camden where the police department was scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. this is the politico story about the city that did abolish the police. it was one of the most dangerous cities in america. 40% of the population was below the poverty line.

what happened that you want to talk about? opportunity noan one else in the country has had. other talk about how cities can get to this same place. the governor decided the thing to do was just a ball us -- abolish the police force in camden. they started from scratch. they had the good fortune to choose my friend scott thompson as the chief. good person.y he understood what you need to do is not enforce your way out of difficult situations, but build the community. we worked on a number of things, a youth program in schools, we had body cameras, we were one of the first jurisdictions that set

policy. we didt important thing was help establish a use of force policy. this is the model that the world needs to take away. that policy was signed off on by both the aclu of new jersey and the fraternal order of police. there was consensus around what the use of force should look like. if you haven't consensus, it's easier to train to it and hold people accountable. countryace in the doesn't need to abolish the police force to get there. when i argue is we need new dispatch,esponse, instead of sending people to all of these problems, we need to expand our horizons and think about it. we are starting to see this around the country with responses with other agencies.

we can create a new first responder who goes to several years of training to learn about law,l work, mediation, the emergency medical training, this group of things you need to know to be a first responder and change the system so you're not rewarded for enforcement but solving problems. host: our guest work with the camden community police department. our guest barry friedman is author of the book unwarranted, policing without permission. we have scranton, pennsylvania on the phone. caller: good morning. the first thing that is clear is some policeman shouldn't be policeman. they don't have the mental judgment, they can't control their temper in nonviolent situations. shoot when it's in

nonviolent crime. they have to be prosecuted. they just keep getting away with it, nothing will change. if they see they can do what ever, nothing is going to happen. you will never change anything. i think there is truth to that. i also want to point out the deeper problem, which is the one i keep mentioning but i don't think i can say enough. is a hard job. it's unfair to not realize how hard that job is. we have put a hard job on people that we don't train adequately or have rules for. even a person with the most even

temperament and they've that with all kinds of social problems is going to be frayed. it's fair enough to be annoyed the cops. we are the ones who let society down. the cops did not defund mental health services. they didn't defund homelessness services. decide to deal with substance abuse through a war. those were our politicians who did that with public support. we do need to train cops properly. we do need to hold them accountable. sayeed to look inwardly and we have let the country down. they are the ones who need to do something about it. , according friedman to the police project, the core principles you worked on dealt

with dealing with force. two do certain objectives. authorizede is only as a last resort. tell us more about those points and others, those core principles in place in camden, new jersey and how you were able to get there. guest: they are long complicated things. it's unfair to thank cops will just digest this. this in a way that was approachable, you can pick it up and read it. that is one thing. the principles around use of force are not rocket science. , his sanctity to human life and we should respect that. you should only use force when it's absolutely necessary. you should use time and distance

and cover to resolve the situation in a different way. if you use force, you should render aid immediately to the person who is injured. the astonishing is resistance you get to these simple principles in many places. the fault for that lies in two places. one is the supreme court. what weeme court said have to say about the use of force and the only thing we will say is it has to be reasonable. even if a cop could have avoided it 10 minutes earlier, we will let it go. the supreme court sets a low bar. it if you didn't have to perform very well. i'm in for that. the trick i think is to move away from thinking the courts will solve the problems.

pass laws that give clear instructions to the police, train them to those instructions and you will get a better outcome. host: another point is the statement from the associate press are at rutgers. in reality, the restructuring was deeply undemocratic and involved doubling down on roque and windows policing strategies. it was only tireless efforts from activists that pressured the new police force there to adopt the policy of requiring officers to avoid escalation. that is the cause of the gains made in camden. more --here's an a enormous amount of activision going on. being seeing problems dealt with in a way that has

been ignored because people are out in the street. it is shameful that our elected officials have ignored this. it is shameful that they want to point fingers at the cops instead of themselves. we have a set of legislative fixes that need to be adopted. they should have happened a long time ago. activism plays his role, everywhere including camden. i don't think it's fair about what happened in camden. was the head of an organization called the police executive research firm. rules about what use of force should look like. a lot of police rebelled at that notion, that they should be restricted in that way. scott came down on the right way to do this. they were already doing some of the training.

relies on a lot of surveillance. that is something we care a lot about. be of that should democratically authorized. that is essential. i'm not backing away from that. host: willie is in jacksonville. tell us your story. you have some experience with law enforcement. caller: good morning. there is an unwritten code for the police when it comes to black people. i live in jacksonville, florida. experience, i was just driving home.

i was running out of gas. i put my hazards on and i pulled over. the police stopped me. from bad tont worse. i'm curious. is there some written code that might date back to slavery? that black folks are up to no good? killswat comes out, they all the blacks. way, the white folks survive. the question is, is there some kind of unwritten law? host: let's get the perspective of our guest.

can't talk about policing without talking about race. committees that are affected by policing. we work with the communities in the activists and police. unfortunately, you can't talk about united states cannot talk about race. we have a very shameful history of racial discrimination and violence and slavery. removed vestiges of that hundreds of years later. we delude ourselves if we think there is not racism in society. some of it is conscious. you see it in ways sometimes that are jaw-dropping. a lot of it is unconscious. social science talks about unconscious racial bias. there are people who offer training. sciencen't much social to see if that training works.

i should say around policing in particular, anyone who thinks race is not a factor is not looking at the data. we data is overwhelming that use enforcement far more against people of color. we did some work in nashville. we did focus groups. we looked at the community from all segments. to top executives at hospitals who were african-american and told stories about being stopped for headlights that were out, it was unfathomable to know what was happening unless you knew the back story and there was mandates to use enforcement in certain committees. it is not imaginary.

there is plenty of data to support it. have got to be rules and protocols. you are running out of gas, that happens to people. you pull over and you put on your blinkers. toe the shows up that says serve and protect. if it went from bad to worse, the question is where was the serve and protect? to help some of you who is running of gas? it might not seem like a crucial issue right now, we are focused on traffic enforcement because we think a lot of what cops do is traffic enforcement. it's time we rethink traffic enforcement in this country. in --one color, mike is caller in philadelphia writes this. they are following guidelines

greeted by police chiefs who answer to mayors. the guidelines are written by attorneys. guest: that's what i'm trying to say. there are critical parts of that story that are wrong. is if you point here are just blaming the police, you are living in denial. you are letting your elected officials off the hook. first, it's true police chiefs are accountable to mayors. that's the most insane political system i've ever seen. if something goes wrong, the .ayor fires the police chief sometimes it's a good police chief, the police know they will outlast the chief. the average tenure of a police chief is three years. that's nuts. the other part of that story is wrong.

that's what i'm trying to say, there are not laws regulating policing. laws, we are not going to get the right kind of training and we won't get the right kind of supervision on the backend. i agree with the comment. look, we can point fingers to police. we see videos that are troubling. the story is not about bad apples. it's about not regulating the police properly. that's what needs to change. host: let's hear from susan in new jersey. caller: can you hear me ok? i was watching the video of the gentleman who was shot in the back twice by that one officer. what disturbed me is him kicking

him after he shot him. all that was going through my mind was who brought this man up? where is he from? where did he go to school? how did he get through to be a cop? do they have psychological testing every six months? i could not get over that with the kicking. thinking where is this man from, who are his people? deeper problem than everyone is saying. host: thank you for calling. let's hear from our guest barry friedman. i would like to ask has been ona how often he patrol in the inner-city. these african communities

are out of control. they don't have id. they don't have insurance. when you try to arrest them, they run. you are calling on the line for those who have had experience in law enforcement? writers andof these protesters night after night and nobody misses work? why do we put these people to work? educated?he where was the criminal educated. host: let's hear from our guest and -- guest. guest: i want to respond to the comment about the cops. factnot an excuse, it's a

.id if you even people who been through testing are going to have had moments. it's inexcusable. it's a fact. my dear friend who runs the center for policing has looked at the social science. one thing they figured out is if you are in a police chase, by the time the top catches someone, they are ramped up. they should never be the person who cuffs person that they caught. can understanding of facts help us do a better job. in terms of the gentleman, i found his comments disturbing. i was teaching at the university of alabama. i was driving my friend who was a senior lawyer. said why are they getting

pulled over. -- a lot ofid people don't have registration, don't have licenses because it's expensive. they still need to get to work. one of the things we've done in this country is we've invoked finds in fees on trivial , failing to turn on the turn signal. we add on and we add on and add on. that's what happening in ferguson, missouri. it was the way people had been treated i the police. to not be able to tell the difference between poverty and crime is deeply disturbing. you are not going to solve poverty with force and law. host: let's go to massachusetts.

susan, you are on the line with barry friedman. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with so much of what you are saying. holdingit's about mayors and elected officials accountable. they are the only people who can change the terms of these union contracts that allow the police to engage in bad behavior. they know their legal fees will be paid. the records are sealed. this is my experience. ago, and myars mother was still alive, i lived with her. we lived in a brownstone apartment in boston. my sister had had a rough weekend. i was descending down the steps. my sister had her car parked on

lakers on, shehe was escorting my mother up the stairs. copof a sudden, this swooped onto our street. he accused my sister of parking illegally, which was false. then he started yelling at her. we are trying to get my mother up the steps. it escalated and my sister started yelling at him. i was fearful for her life and one point. we are the white people. i found there is a bullying with police. if you ask for directions, they scream at you. they've lost their stability. i think it's recruitment. muchnk there is too emphasis on people out of high school who are not psychologically that it. i think -- vetted.

kudos to you for running your and having au cookie-cutter criminal justice major. are rationalideas and innovative. i'm glad you're out there trying to fight for change. host: thank you for calling. guest: i'm sorry to hear about that story. book, everyind my chapter starts with a story like yours. i try to pick apart that story in figure out what the underlying problem was and how we solve it. you brought up union contracts. there's a lot of discussion of union contracts today. you make a fair point, union contracts are a problem to an extent. in some ways they are and in some ways they are not. the city council approves the collective bargaining.

that could be solved tomorrow. as i keep saying, we have a political problem. in terms of the behavior of cops, that's why we want to reimagine public safety. there are two separate problems. by what youarm bullying, about stops, fritz, uses of force. the other half of the problem is because all we have is one tool in our society, we've got this , gotize fits all solution a problem, send a cop. the cops are the first person what youlike it's not get. want our public

servants with a much wider form of training and a different attitude and demeanor and a way of thinking about what their job is to make society safer. think because it's a snap reaction, public safety is freedom from violence. we need people with guns to do that. for most people, its food and housing and getting your mom up the stairs to the apartment and been able to do that effectively. just ignored this problem for decades and decades. that's what we are living with now. host: barry friedman is the faculty director for the policing program. thank you for your time and insight. yourpreciate all of responses this morning. guest: thank you. host: we will take another short timeout and then go back to another open phones section.

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c-span, created by america's table -- cable television companies as a public service and brought to you by your television provider. >> washington journal continues. host: on to open phones, your top public policy issue on this saturday. elizabeth is in tampa, florida. caller: thank you for taking my call. happened to our compassion for, one another. child, my father used to tell me you never pay attention to the news, you never watch the news. i wanted to see a world where we love each other and cared about each other. now i'm an adult in my 50's and

i watch the news and i see hate and ugly and our world is chaos. a diseases killing everybody. everybody hates everybody for the color of their skin and their religion and their origin. we all have case-by-case situations. happenedve things that that needed attention of that time. not everyone is going to understand. where is the good anymore? politics? debatesn watching these and the democrats and republicans, that's all it is. where is the heart? where is the human? people are dying. host: that was elizabeth in tampa.

stephen, once on your mind these days? just how we cut taxes, we cut taxes, we cut taxes for more or less the rich. we want to enforce more laws so that we can pick poor people to death with fines and tickets, like the speed limit. it was there to save fuel, once they realized how much money it brought in, they kept it there. it was hard on the working guy to try to get to work and back. get pulled over, it wasn't just a ticket, it was a search. to instead of taxing people correctly so there is revenue, they have to do it through enforcement of laws. it just seems it has been wrong. d to the militarization

of the police. it boils down to taxes. , likeor the county is what happened with ferguson, those had cops writing up tickets to make the budget up in that county. that part of it seems so wrong. fine people on the lower end of the income scale to make up the money that the county is missing instead of taxing the way we should do. host: we talked about the story earlier in the washington post. starved cities are starting ,o weigh whether to raise taxes

hoping to rake in new revenue to help with the massive legent shortfalls brought on by the pandemic. george is in jacksonville, florida. television is a kong the lineof people --conga saying they have the solution to the problems. i've had some equipment from eastern europe. cast 12,000 items, it can weed out bad cops and find out which wrong with people. fda and doctors will not use it. there are 20,000 people worldwide who have this.

people should be trained on using this stuff. the schools should catch the kids early. i talked to thigpen extensively. he said most psychological problems are caused by brain infections. testoctors do not have the in a normal hospital setting to test these things and cure them. we need to move forward with this technology. the chinese are using them for evil. i want to 12 countries overseas. was on the edge of being involved in national security issues. dr. friedman is good. he's only covering 40% of what needs to be covered.

we need to look at what's going on. host: thank you for calling. president trump was tweeting this morning. he is saying this about health care. now that the unpopular and unfair mandate provision has been terminated, many states are asking the supreme court for obamacare to be terminated. obamacare is a joke. the adoptable is far too high. my administration has gone out of its way to manage obamacare much better. i will always protect people ,ith pre-existing conditions always, always, always. those are all capital letters. the house is coming back into session on monday. they've got a busy agenda for the week. one item is a bill brought up by

the democrats to shore up the affordable care act. it's a series of measures in one bill. if you're watching the house yesterday, you may have seen the u.s. house is backing statehood for washington dc. this is the lead in the washington post. the bill is expected to die in the senate. for the first time since the establishment of the district of columbia, the house cleared the city to be the 71st -- 51st state. along partyl mostly lines. say this has led to the disenfranchisement of 700,000 residents. housec. delegate to the from yesterday.

-- the nation in the world have witnessed the discriminatory treatment of d.c. residence by the federal government. in march, congress passed the cares act, which deprived the district of $755 million in coronavirus relief by treating the district as territory. rather than a state. restorees aid act would those funds. and out of police state national guard troops occupied d.c. without the consent of the mayor to respond to largely peaceful protest. prior to this occupation, there andbeen more looting disruption in other cities. the federal government did not occupy those cities. the federal occupation of d.c.

occurred because the president thought he could get away with it. he was wrong. hr 51 is deeply personal. i great-grandfather who escaped as a slave from virginia on a plantation made it as far as d.c., a walk to freedom but not equal citizenship. for three generations, my family has been denied the rights other americans take for granted. i yield myself one minute. congress can continue to have autocratic authority over the citizens who reside in our nations capital. treating them as aliens, not citizens, congress can live up to our promise and ideals and pass hr 51.

host: on the editorial page, they write about the stepford d.c. statehood. it shrinks the federal government to a two mile enclave as treats the other 66 miles the state of washington. mcconnell will not allow debate on the bill. the white house will be till it if given the chance. a court challenge would be likely. demonstrated how far the issue has come in recent years. more and more americans recognize they should be represented in congress and have local control. they see this as a civil rights issue. editorial inead the post. we have yorktown, virginia on the line. caller: good morning.

i can't think of anything more cruel than to remove medical health care from those who need it during a pandemic. as a navy nurse, i've seen the cruelty of this white house. it is soon to be over. we will be voting for joe biden. we will have socialized medicine. we will have people wearing face masks. we will have decent leadership versus this insanity in the white house. host: on to florida. go ahead please. originallyalled in when we were on the subject of community policing. i worked with the police department for two years as a volunteer.

when they first brought in community policing to introduce community policing. i worked for an african-american man who was phenomenal. we worked in this community. find 10 youngo backgroundpassed the , that community was the safest community for the entire summer. there was not one shooting in the african-american community. people were blown away by how wonderful the police and the community work together. they had a big celebration were the chief of police put himself in the dunking booth and people were able to dunk the police chief for free. i know that it works. i know it's an important part of policing.

i hope the police departments around the country will consider implementing this. host: have you been reading about the federal legislation? is there anything the federal government should be doing? is it more a local concern? caller: i think federally, we need to start working with people that want to be helping. father was an officer. we need to support them. we need to support them in the issues they have. they have a lot of family issues they deal with every day. job of to do a better supporting our police and encouraging people to work together through the community. it is community level. on the federal level, or support to officers on a daily basis.

so they are not feeling as much stress as they currently are. host: thank you for your thoughts. rita is calling from washington. caller: i wanted to complement your program. 2.5 been watching it for decades. it's a good program, very diverse. the best part is listening to people as to what some important to them. it's less the politicians and the media. i wouldwas to mention like to suggest c-span have more guests that can talk about the financial aspect of our country. people know about the federal reserve, how much of his diluted our money. we are at a point where as they ,uild out the repo market

default credit swaps in 2008, deep of a double ditch that we are in now. i fear we are going to fit a great recession. -- hit a great recession. the virus pricked a bubble. i would like to see some guest to talk about the printing of money. host: we will be sure to consider that. back to florida now. hello. caller: my question is about national debt. we have's tiered away from job creation to boost our economy. answer?at's the

the parties aren't addressing it? see more would love to job creation, more revenues. that marijuana would bring that back in on a national level. host: thank you for your thoughts this morning. this is the president from yesterday. he was at a white house meeting on the economy. he signed an executive order to change the way the federal government hires. to thank the american people for doing such an incredible job. they understand with happening. is americans of all background we are talking about.

we want to get them the chance to be able -- build a successful career. we want to train americans. .e are training americans we are hiring americans. this is a very big factor. that has 22oblem different names. i will just call it the plague. before the plague struck, without the lowest african-american and hispanic unemployment ever. we had the most jobs we've ever had. we've never been in a position like that. women were thriving. best numbers ever. more than half of those jobs went to women. now, we want to get that back. the african-american group got hit very hard. the hispanic group got hit hard.

all groups got hit hard. now it's coming back. i'm taking the bold action to reform the federal workforce. this directs the federal government to replace out dated degree based hiring with skill-based hiring. we want it based on skill. the government will no longer be focused on where you went to school. the skills and talents that you bring to the job, we want that skill. we've looked at merit for a long time. we've been able to get that done. this is a very important signing. host: you can watch that that on c-span.org. trumpn type in president and the event will pop up for you. steadyyment benefits are at 1.5 million in june.

you may have seen the stock markets down about 2.5% yesterday upon news that states are reversing their orders when it comes to opening up because of the spike in cases. there is roll call this morning. expected to head to the supreme court. the ninth circuit court of appeals ruled the administration did not have the authority to transfer billions of dollars in military funds to help dynasty border wall -- finance the border wall, it was a 2-1 ruling. they violated the appropriations clause of the constitution, which gives funding power to congress when it transferred $2.5 billion for other purposes. about that. more

mark is in inglewood, florida. caller: can you hear me? on and like to comment oversight committee. this administration is doing so much illegal stuff. no one is holding them responsible. i would like to see an oversight committee to hold the senate and accountable.se my second comment is i don't understand why the media is jumping on the bandwagon about this $1.4 billion the treasury sent to dead people. i think that needs to be investigated. it's probably in the

senate's pocket. host: how did you find out about it? teletypessaw it on underneath newsreels and stuff. host: thank you for calling. betty is in fort worth. good morning to you. good morning. caller: good morning. my name is betty. i am 90 years old. have lived in my neighborhood for 60 years. it is not crime-ridden. it is one of the safest neighborhoods in the city. the next thing i want to talk about is what happened to a friend of mine who is on the other side of the city. he was arrested. in his home for assault. midnight the same day.

she received a call from the oner telling her son was dead. that's all. when she went to get the death certificate, the cause of death said accident. and of story. end a story. i don't understand why mr. kudlow said on tv that he didn't know what systemic racism was. he acted like it was a new thing. host: now down to our last couple of minutes. an interest about the stimulus checks. this is politico.com. oneirs paid more than

million dead people. believed it did not have the legal authority to withhold them according to an independent watchdog. they tried to block payments going to the dead while asking survivors to return them. this was an assessment they did on thursday. another story about the business politics, mixes with tightening controls over speech at facebook as the boycott grows from advertisers. they will take measures to prevent voter suppression and protect minorities from abuse. the new policy was announced yesterday after consumer goods giants were withholding

advertising on the platforms. you can read more about that at the wall street journal. we have marked in upstate new york -- mark in upstate you. caller: the biggest policy issue is the border. i have a theory. the coronavirus cases are increasing because of the border is still loose. we close up the border. we close up coronavirus cases. host: you are suggesting the virus comes from border issues? caller: absolutely. i see the increase in measles diseases were spiking as well. this is because we have a loose border. we are not screening illegal aliens. host: where do you get your

information on that topic? caller: the coronavirus is a theory. earlier.ported in increasesblem in diseases. it's coming through our southern border. host: let's go to north carolina. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i think the biggest problem in america today is polarization. honestly, i was watching c-span the other morning on the house debate that was supposed to be about policing reform. the speeches were about .verything but

representatives got up to theratulate constituents on president of the fsa. expoundedentative that abortion was murder. gun control is anti-american. not hear that you you were looking to hear? caller: i was looking to hear an actual debate regarding police reform rather than a lot of posing and posturing. was very interested in your guest about the policing reform. points regarding traffic stops, the police here seem to safetyrelated to public

but rather in some cases to searches for drugs. another issue i don't understand why the controlled substances act is not been repealed and replaced. i understand what the impetus was to -- to control dangerous drugs, but it includes basically everything that anybody determined to be possibly recreational, regardless of the lack of proof that it is unsafe to use, has no medical value, etc. etc.. host: thank you for calling, that was our last call. we appreciate everyone who took part in the program, we will be

back tomorrow at 7:00 eastern for the sunday edition. in the meantime, enjoy the rest of your day. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] >> c-span has unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events. you can watch all of the public affairs programming on television, online, or listen on our free radio app and be part of the national conversation through c-span's daily washington journal program or

through our social media feeds. c-span, created by america's cable television company as a public service and brought to you today by your television provider. both the house and the senate took up versions of police onorm legislation this week, wednesday the senate failed to advance their version introduced by south carolina senator tim scott. 60 votes were needed to move the bill forward, but it fell short, 55-45. after the vote, chuck schumer and other democratic senators spoke to reporters.