issues you face, the education problems you face. so, we welcome as much support as we can get. this will only work if it's a grassroots movement. if you want to get involved, go to the website. look, the corporate two-party state has failed us. our party our country needs the , green party right now to advance real solutions for these life-and-death issues of our time. our lives depend on it. we are running out of time on issues like climate crisis, the covid pandemic, and real solutions can't wait. thank you. morning, the ohio democratic party chair talks about the state's role in the november elections and his political fiction novel. later, the ceo of parlor discusses social media and free speech. parlor billed itself as a

nonbiased, free-speech platform. we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal is next. ♪ host: good morning. a live look at the u.s. capitol this sunday, july 12. middle of athe two-week recess, the house and senate returning next monday. an op-ed today, former special counsel robert mueller defending his investigation into russia, the 2016 campaign, and the prosecution of longtime friend of the president roger stone. this on the news that the president is commuting roger stone's sentence. and this week, a new book with

details on president trump and his family. that will be released on tuesday. mary trump's tell-all book is set to be coming out this week -- your reaction. for democrats, (202) 748-8000. if you are a republican, (202) 748-8001. if you are an independent, (202) 748-8002. we are also on social media. send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. on twitter, we are @cspanwj and on facebook, facebook.com/cspan. a lot to get to over the next three hours. thank you for joining us. we want to begin with reaction, details of mary trump spoke have been -- mary trump's book have been released -- the title is "too much and never enough: how my family created the world's most dangerous man." there is a quote by mary trump, by the time this book is published, thousands of american lives will have been sacrificed on donald's hubris.

if you supported the second term, he will be the end of american democracy. this from kellyanne conway, the senior counselor to the president, on fox. [video clip] >> she thinks people's families are their business. she ought to think twice the next time she does that. we imbue instant credibility on to anybody, especially those not under oath and writing works of fiction, perhaps, or fiction within a work of fiction. as long as they are out there to get the president. the reporters out to focus on getting the story, not getting the president. i want to say something i do know about with respect to mary trump's late father, fred junior , and how donald trump feels about him. this president got so committed on theking down drug epidemic in our country,

inspired by the struggles of his own older brother, fred junior, who he has complement it as being handsome and full of life and so talented and so smart and and the -- and the air to the family business -- and the heir to the family business, and he watched him die of alcoholism at 42. donald trump watching his own brother struggle is why donald trump has never touched a drug, had a drop of our hall, or a drag of a cigarette his entire life. i have seen him in private settings tell children, don't do that. he has committed himself, as has the first lady. drug addiction is a public policy issue they work on together, and that is what we should take from this president and his memory of his brother. there are too many books out there that are never fact-check. host: that reaction from kellyanne conway on fox news this past week as excerpts of , released bybook simon & schuster and published in a number of news

organizations. we will have that and your phone calls. (202) 748-8000, that's your line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 if you are a republican. the tell-all book will be coming out on tuesday, mary trump, the niece of president trump, writes "this is far beyond garden-variety narcissism. k,nald is not simply wea his ego is a fragile thing that must be bolstered every moment because deep down, he knows he is nothing of what he claims to be. by limiting donald's access to his own feelings and rendering them as i acceptable, red trump senior perverted his son's perception of the world and damaged his ability to live in it. softness was unthinkable in the trump family." let's get to tyrone in new york city, line for democrats. go ahead, please. caller: thank you, steve, and thanks for taking my call. a lot of what's going to be in niece'se is look --

book will be things that americans already knew about the president, he is a self-serving individual that only does ink for his own benefit. our challenge is americans -- as americans, is this something we are satisfied with? do we think we don't deserve any better than what this president has given to us? will let him win another four more years. if we do, we do know we deserve better as american citizens, we will get him out of office. us ass entirely up to american citizens to get this man out of office. host: tyrone, thanks for the call. trump'ser, the traitor followers will call the book a hoax. that is a tweet at @cspanwj. david in new jersey, line for independents. caller: good morning, c-span, the best channel on television. good morning, steve, it is good to talk to you. again,ood to talk to you

my friend. caller: you know, steve, 96 year veteran, andar ii my generation, compared to what is going on in our great country today, i lived through the recession. i remember standing on line with my beloved father with thousands of other people to get food and clothing in the 1930's. i lived through world war ii, i lived through the cold war, korea, vietnam, 9/11, the war on -- what's going on in our country today is unbelievable. unbelievable. my generation was called the greatest generation. steve, the three words that defined by generation was "we

the people." we all stood together, we helped each other, we did what was best for each other and we did what was best for our great country. our great country today is polarized because of the person that is in the white house. and i would like to come out with a t-shirt that would say on 3, 2020."vote november " and on the front, it would say mitch."ump and bench that is what we have to do on november 2020. the best,ish you david. we know your birthday is coming up. you are almost 97.

thank you for the phone call. this date and from robert trump, disappointedeeply in my niece mary's decision to write a book about our family, and an attempt to sensationalize and mischaracterize our family relationship after all these years for her own financial gain is an injustice and attractions -- is a travesty and memory of mythe late brother, fred, and our beloved parents. our next caller, anthony. good morning. caller: good morning. downing onof people the president. i don't care for this book. i will not read it. i support our president. that is all i have to say. host: anthony, thank you for the call. we will go to dave, joining us from rochester, michigan. good morning. [inaudible]

does treat a lot of poor homeless folks with opioid and heroin disorder and some emotional disorders. i feel president trump has slight narcissistic traits, where he is more interested in himself than the welfare of others, and he just is not realize it or realizes it and does not really care. peopleen he wants other around him to know it is for his gain, but yet he knows it can cause harm. things like that. that if heaid continues this path and doesn't set himself as a leader, that more people will suffer, you know, whether it is from disease or unemployment or things like that. host: dave, thanks for the call from michigan. the book is reviewed this morning inside the washington the trump family

feud and dysfunction. in the book, mary trump talks about his aunt, the president pose a brother, mary anne. the only time he went to church is when the cameras are there, said marianne. he has no principles. none. caller: hi steve, something i was randomly thinking about -- you have all these public servants, right? these are people who have served 30 and 40 years in the government, right? if they say anything bad about trump, they instantly go down, and these people have devoted their entire lives to it. people" is just -- and if you look at all of their lives, it is just

incredible. and there's, you know, a problem with that. i do not know where you go from -- if i'm just looking you look at the whole litany of moste who have gone down, of them, i would like to hang out with. it is never my fault, there is always someone else to blame, and i don't know where you go from there. host: james, thanks for the call. charlie is next from tennessee. good morning. democrat line. caller: yes. i've been a democrat my whole life. i've been watching what's been going on in the world here with the -- i will call it communism trying to work its way into our the black lives move and and all that. tohink it is time for people

stand up next to the army and police and took our country back. host: this on our facebook page from jerry, who says the following. i won't read the book, i won't need to. i will here about the dirt in snippets without hearing about a cancer i want to forget. jodi says our president has massive limitations to leading a country area it is not like reading a white nationalist movement, writes jody. from panama city, no one knows more about trump than members of his own family. i doubt there are those out there who don't already know what a vile excuse for a human being he is. this book will no doubt only corroborate that. we should point out that the book's author, mary trump, still with a gag order. she is not able to speak. the book is coming out on tuesday. this is the cover of the book, donald trump in his younger years. the decision will be made

tomorrow as to whether mary trump can conduct any interviews. on msnbc last week, alice frankston, a close friend of mary trump, on nbc's "morning joe." >> did she share some of these stories with you in real-time? did these ring true to you? >> yeah. i have been talking about this and reading through things with her since the beginning, when she started to write this and she even thought about writing it. >> and why is she doing this right now? what did she believe is the significance of putting out a book like this, three and a half months before election day? >> she felt morally obligated. she felt it was her duty to let the american people, if not the world, know and understand who is in charge and the foundation of how he got to be the way he is, what her opinions and views -- look atwhy now

what's going on in the world, between a global pandemic being ignored, there is a complete lack of leadership, kids at the border, food insecurity -- any number of things have really austrated her and she stands lot to lose. i think it was really brave of anyto come forward at point, frankly, but now is when it is most crucial. the country is at a tipping point. host: that's from msnbc, a close friend of mary trump this past week. if and when mary trump does , including news, we will feature her on c-span2, booktv. nonfiction books available on our website, c-span.org. back to your phone calls, jeffrey is joining us from maryland. mary trumpon to this book being officially released by simon & schuster on tuesday? good morning. you all do a good job. i think the book is true because

everything trump does, he shows himself. look at the trump hotel -- i mean trump university. look at the contractors that he never paid for doing work. did at -- the other one he -- the trump foundation. he had to pay people back because they lied. i have been following this man for a long time. people were talking about the man back then, how he still from people and cheated people, and look at the history of this man, doing everything -- he is a cheater like his knees said. neice said. i used to hang around -- he used to hang around people like al sharpton, jesse jackson, but he was still a cheat. he used it to cover up his racism. when something falls on him, it is always a witch hunt i don't understand trump supporters.

they do not want to see the truth about this man. what do you think mitch mcconnell is doing? they are taking money from these grants and things, mitch mcconnell's wife and them get the money. when someone is trying to help the low income, military people, white or black, i think we all should be treated with trump, every time something happens, that it is a witchhunt. [inaudible] the whole ukraine thing. you try to bring up stuff on that -- he was guilty of that, but mitch mcconnell kicked him -- refused to kick him out of the white house. m,st: this from foxnews.co mary trump's claim that tosident trump paid a friend

pay the sats conflicts with a timeline. fox news reports that the president was already at the university of pennsylvania when he met joe schapiro, according to the new video. chuck is joining us from lake munro, florida. good morning. good morning. thanks for allowing us to voice our opinion about our president. well, we know what president has done for these united states. i know without a doubt that what he takes on his shoulders, from the time he gets up from the time he goes to bed, it is so big. there has not been a president that has affected this whole world, from china to everywhere else. we just have to look up to him and see the responsibility that he has, and so many people expecting things to happen to each and everyone, and he's looking at the whole and the individual. that's a great amount of work for our president. host: chuck, thanks for the

call. this from susan keller on our facebook page. she says the public isn't stupid. this book is all about the election. as far as money, she feels she missed out from that will. when she offered a large sum to write this book? gag orderbeen a placed by a new york judge, so she cannot conduct any interviews, but when they do happen, we will feature them on the c-span network. next is jim from buffalo, new york, independent line. caller: good morning. thanks for allowing the public to actually express views. this looks like it is another want to be looking for her 15 minutes of fame. left out of the will and looking to turn trash into cash. no verification, and this is more red meat for the trump peters to jump on. host: rebecca stone saying on our twitter page, just another

book, what is more to hear? from hawaii, and larry is up early in the morning on our line for democrats. your response to this book being released by simon & schuster on tuesday? caller: you know what, what mary trump is saying is nothing new. this guy has left a career of destruction and he is doing the same thing to the country. you know, people need to wake up . this guy is bad news. thank you. host: thank you for the call. in the book, mary trump writes the following. "donald, following the lead with my grandfather and the silence in action with my siblings, destroyed my father, referring to fred trump junior. i can't let him destroy my country." one of the questions we asked about president trump was in particular about his father. here is a portion of the interview, available in its entirety on c-span.org. [video clip]

very proud ofys me. i went to schools, i did well. he was very proud of me, and i came into his business -- he was a man that never let anyone sign a check, and when i came in, i could sign checks. , a very very strong guy dominant figure -- and yet a very good man. he was a tremendous person with a tremendous heart, what a strong person. he never thought i would be running for politics, for office. if i said i would run for president, he would not think i had a chance at doing it. he did not get a chance to see this -- he died before, but he a good life.e let he was a good man. great father, great mother, great brothers and sisters. so in that way i was very, very lucky. i think my father would say if i wanted to run, i think he would

probably say i would have done very well. who knows this would happen? who could say that? you have political families that everyone thinks would do great and they did not do so great, but my father would be very proud. he loved this country and had confidence in me. in a the president conversation we had a year ago at the white house. this from tom, saying i have my own family problems. i do not need to listen to their own hurting laundry. grab to sell a book, spend it on food to feed your family. the washington post has a review in the op-ed, the headline -- it of donald,tell-all but fred, the president's dad. our next caller, go ahead, please. caller: i am very skeptical about his aunt releasing this ook, as it seems she is crawling out of the woodwork to

insult him and grab a few bucks. host: we will go to greg in corning, ohio, independent line. good morning, greg. caller: good morning, cnn. how is everyone in the great america? host: it is c-span, but thank you, greg. caller: you look more like cnn every days. that book is not even out, everyone has read it -- ain't no one has read it, but everyone wants to call in and say [inaudible] especially the black community. you people are dumb. you need to wake up. host: greg in is the cut -- greta in ithaca, new york. caller: hello, steve. one second, i want to lower the volume. hello? host: we are still with you. go ahead. caller: for some reason, the

time lapse -- i was getting confused with hearing my tv in the background. host: it's all good. caller: thank you so much and god bless you and c-span. i think it is wonderful that you allow people to call in. i wanted -- i feel very passionate about this because you know, trump has gagged everybody, and it is so obvious. thisnk it's wonderful that relative is writing this book, because he's gotten every -- gagged everybody and it is so sad that she cannot even talk about her book. she is definitely not a money digger. if anything, our president is doing that. he has been doing that, he is narcissistic and he should have been impeached. wanted to say one more thing -- i'm very concerned ,bout the epstein situation because i really believe that he -- so hered and i also

could be silenced, because i think there is a lot of people that are implementing, have been implemented, including trump and bill clinton and the prints -- i mean, this is a man that had so much property that -- what was he doing with all this property? what was he doing with all this money and being around important people? somebody onan bring the show to talk about this, because this is sort of the tip of the iceberg, and the woman, maxine, she knows so much. is something that has to be addressed, because it shows how much power people in power can ,et away with anything including our president. thanks for the, call. the president was impeached, i think from your standpoint, should have been convicted, but

he was impeached earlier this year. bill is next, democrat line from new jersey. your reaction to this new book by mary trump, said to be released on tuesday, with alreadyall -- excerpts published in the washington times, the new york post and others. c-span.good morning, i try to watch you guys as often as i can. i do not think mary trump's book is too much of a big surprise. at least to me, because all of her recollections of family history is pretty much public knowledge. professionally, i think she is qualified to give him a clinical diagnosis, and i think she does that quite well in the book. the other piece is this. i'm sitting here watching your and listening to the

callers calling in, and one thing that ran across my mind -- a couple years ago, my wife and i were with friends vacationing in costa rica, and our tour bus , as we were talking, said oh, you guys are from the united states, and we told him what state we were from and that kind of thing. you know,ed and said you guys are from a country with a lot of intelligent, smart people. i said thank you, thank you very much. he said, but how could you all a elect -- you all as a donald trump president? i could not help but chuckle, but it was interesting that he made that comment as an observer from a foreign country. trump book, there are no secrets in there -- there might be some

revelations that we don't know about, but the book is pretty much, you know, self-explanatory. thank you. bill from new jersey and roger in virginia beach, sending us this text message. he writes "the book tells the truth, that trump's jim jones like supporters cannot believe. they keep drinking trump's kool-aid. the other major story on this sunday morning, for the first time in a year, robert mueller pending an op-ed in the washington post. this is what it looks like. roger stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so. he writes the following -- "russia's actions were a threat to america's democracy. it was critical that they be investigated and understood. late 2016, the fbi had evidence that the russians had signaled to a trump campaign could assistthey the campaign through the anonymous release of information, damaging the democratic candidate. the fbi knew that russians had

done just that. pictureave a detailed of brushes interference in the 2016 presidential election. the special counsel's office identified two principal operations directed at our hacking and dumping political campaign emails in an online social media campaign to disparage the democratic candidate." headline, roger stone remains a convicted felon, and rightly so. the president yesterday with this. [video clip] >> roger stone was treated horribly. roger stone was treated very unfairly. roger stone was brought into this witchhunt, this whole political witchhunt and the mueller scam -- it is a scam, because it has been proven false treated very unfairly, just like general flynn was treated unfairly. just like papadopoulos was treated unfairly. they have all been treated unfairly. willi did -- what i did, i

tell you this -- people are extremely happy, because in this country they want justice, and roger stone was not treated properly. i i am very happy with what did. i commuted his sentence, and by commuting, he now has the right -- [inaudible] take a look at the record. the judge didn't do that. he should have had another trial. roger stone was treated very badly. host: the president with marine one in the background. by the way, the president publicly wearing a face mask -- we will show you the picture in just a moment, but senator thisromney calling "historic corruption."

the president commuting the sentence of roger stone. at about 11:30 in the evening, the president with this tweet -- 's pat toomey and mitt if comey, mccaig, page and her lover, peter st zrok, ran rampant, wild and unchecked, lying and leaking all the way? no. a quote from robert mueller, he said roger stone became a central figure in our investigation for two reasons. he communicated and 2016 with individuals known to us to be russian intelligence officers, and claimed advance knowledge of wikileaks emails stolen by those russian intelligence officers. ,ueller goes on to write roger stone was can -- convicted

of five counts of lying to congress and tampering with the witness. we made every decision in stone's case, as in all of our cases, based solely on the facts and the law in accordance with the rule of law, and the women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity , claims of the contrary are false. that from robert mueller. a convictedremains felon, and rightly so. that is available at washingtonpost.com. virginia is next, back to your calls and reaction to mary trump's new book, coming out on tuesday. good morning, virginia. i am a first-time caller so i am a little nervous. but donald trump, his brother that passed away from alcoholism andis 40's, he had a wife

donald trump had a nice and a niece and a nephew. the nephew suffered from seizures, and donald trump took away everything, including their health insurance. a little kid who suffered from seizures, his nephew. thanks for letting me say that. now i am going to hang up. host: virginia, thanks for the call. this is from jimbo in bakersfield, california, sending us a text message. you can do so at (202) 748-8003. new bookary trump's provides some useful insights into the making and motivations of donald j. trump. what i'm reminded by reading her book is that dictators are carefully crafted by morally bankrupt people. they are not simply born. the president traveling to the walter reed international .edical center

the president finally donned the mask -- this is what he looks like from the video, along with others from the medical facility, as he met with those men and women who have been injured in battle. dwight is joining us from pennsylvania. good morning to you. go ahead, dwight. you are on the air. bookr: yeah, i think this that his relation is putting out is very false. i think president trump is a good president. host: thank you for the call. let's go to rob in union, new jersey. good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: good, how are you? i am good. i would say the book is true. most definitely true. i went out to coney island, and not from newo is york state, fred trump developed a lot of property in the 1970's and 1980's. there were articles they had printed in coney island

itself that talked about the corruption of the trump family. there are a lot of things they did that have not even reached the mainstream media yet. here's the point everyone needs to understand -- trump supporters do not care, because it is not about country. it is very much about color, and that is the simple fact. we need to get to it. we has a country wants to move forward. we want to keep our standing in the world, but these people don't care. i want to say this last thing. goingmp loses, they are to go crazy. because if they cannot have everything -- hello? host: go ahead. if they cannot have everything, they are ready to destroy everything. that is why they are out there with their ar-15's and their guns, because they feel like their power is slipping away and he is going to push it to the limit. yes the book is true, no, his supporters don't care. host: the new york times out with a new book on james baker,

the former secretary of state. this headline, the president ignoring the limits honored even by nixon. in the first paragraph of the peace, he writes the following -- president trump has said he learned lessons from president richard m nixon's fall from grace, but to keep his friend roger stone out of prison, he has crossed a line that mr. nixon in the depths of watergate dared not cross. for months, senior advisers morning the president it would be politically self-destructive is not ethically inappropriate to bring clemency to mr. of lyingo was accused to protect the president. the story this morning inside the new york times. joining us from fitzgerald, georgia. republican line. good morning. caller: yes, can you hear me? host: we sure can. i just want to say, i'm

going to vote for trump in 2020. i voted for him in 2016 because he saved us from hillary clinton. i'm going to vote for him again because he is going to save us from joe biden and whoever his vice president is, and the people calling in and talking about ar-15's -- [inaudible] today is really about you and c-span and the way you carry this program along. [inaudible] trump andwn everything -- everything goes with the constitutional thing, about things said on tv -- anything goes today, right, steve? [inaudible]

you don't mind bringing garbage on the air. host: bobby, i could not disagree with you more and not take more offense to your comment. we hear present the fact, and if you look at the last hour, we have presented both sides of the story of donald trump, as we do every single day with all of the coverage. to make it personal is offensive, so i will take aim at that. back to the book from mary trump, she writes the following quote -- i watched real time as donald shredded norms and alliances and tread upon the vulnerable. the only thing that surprised me was the increasing number of people willing to enable him. ,hat from mary trump's book being released by simon & schuster on tuesday. leanne has this on facebook, i applaud her courage to write this book. that whole family and trump's

father, grandfather, etc. need to be exposed. i hope she will tell on trump's dealings with epstein. on the democrat line in california, vicki, good morning. caller: good morning. i'm calling in to say that who would know better than a family member of the sickness that goes on in families? most families have dysfunctions. it needs to be exposed to stop it. that man that called and said what he said to you is just unbelievable. he is an example of the evil that is in the air because of this man. i have been watching donald trump since the 1970's, since i became an adult, and he is deplorable. a womanizer, he hates women, and i am sure it has a lot to do with his mother. look at his first wife. she was a brilliant woman.

-- heok at donald trump picks women as if he is at a carnival. -- she isa disgusting. she is disgusting. she came here illegally, she is ladyirst centerfold first -- for her to even have the audacity to tell obama to show his birth certificate -- this is just disgusting. this is probably the end of the world and this man is helping this world to end. before he ends his presidency, him, mnuchin, mcconnell -- all the rest of them, they are going to fleece this country. --y are taking those childre trillion dollars away from american people who are dying from an epidemic that he helped to rush in, and they are dying

from our air, or water -- everything is destroyed and this man is no leader. he's leading us down the rabbit hole. thank you and everybody have a blessed day. host: thank you for the call. from stephen missouri, standing in missouri, sending us this message -- this book is a convenient vehicle for everyone to support the feelings they have about the president. the author is only now deciding to cash in on family gossip. next is greg, joining us from south carolina. good morning. caller: [inaudible] host: good morning, you are on the air. we will go next to michael in connecticut, good morning. this is michael from connecticut. i think this book is more slander against our president, webably the best president have had. i will be voting for trump again in 2020. i believe the only president that can pull us out of a possible race war and a pandemic

that we are going through, believe me, i would not want to be in his shoes -- is donald trump. there have been many times that people wished that we had a businessman in office, not just a career politician in office. we have somebody who can pull us out. we were doing great for all this everything else happened. i think he is a great man and i think he is the only man who is going to get us out of what intuition we've got ourselves into with this whole world falling apart, with the pandemic and a possible race war on the edge. thank you very much for what you do, i appreciate listening to you on c-span. thank you very much, and here's to donald trump 2020. thank you very much. host: front page of the new york times, the analysis piece on the commutation of the sentence of roger stone.

and jonathan martin with an in-depth story on the democrats and joe biden and his campaign, urge to make a play for more states as part of campaign 2020. over the weekend, we covered the libertarian party convention and the green party nomination convention. both are available on our website, and both nominees joined us yesterday on the washington journal. at can check that out c-span.org. we will continue to cover third-party candidates as this process unfolds. next is joan, joining us from new jersey. good morning to you. caller: good morning. in regard to mary trump's book, i would like to say that she hit the nail on the head. we know that donald trump used to be a casino operator and we know his history of being a at times. it is terrible. as a whole, i think washington needs to get much more sophisticated. now trump has really showed the loopholes that he fell through,

and i think the democrats and make thelicans need to screening process much more sophisticated. we have people that are pulling phd's in political science and they are not a candidate. it does not make sense to me. why aren't people reaching out to universities like el and saying well yeah, i have this and sayingike yale well yeah, i have this degree, but i am not a candidate because the democrats and republicans are more on the money end of candidates we have that are well-qualified. here we have an old casino operator running the country. it is very sad, and i want to thank you for letting me speak. host: this is from libby jane, who says mary trump spoke hat those of us with common sense have been saying for decades. trump is not well.

he is corrupt, and unqualified to be president of the united states. another quote from mary trump's book -- donald is very much as he was at three years old, incapable of growing, learning, or eve all in, unable to moderate his responses were taken and synthesize information. alex joining us from erie, pennsylvania. your reaction to this book by mary trump? book justll, the shows how empty our president is, along with everybody else that knows him. really, the main thing i would after they though, is democrats win everything back, i don't want them to bother with any of these people. echo the know, to lady from california, everyone knows where all these people are going -- straight to hell. forget about,

them, do not waste any time and help the american people please. next in westis branch, michigan. good morning. good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. i would like to state a quote by dresden james -- when the masses have been fed a web of lies over generations, the truth seems utterly preposterous and the speaker a raging lunatic. this is to all the democrats out there. complainseverybody president trump -- oh, he's not a businessman. he filed bankruptcies. you know what? he did it according to the system. he did not get bailed out like generous motors and the big banks. just saying, thank you. eight of the craziest moments from mary trump's new

book, "too much and never enough." it will be released by simon & schuster on tuesday. this from claire in louisiana -- the president's niece is a victim suffering from the wounds of abuse of a child of an alcoholic. until she is healed, her anger and hurt will be misdirected. however, healing comes in the telling of the story. she probably feels relief from the release of having told her story. it is unfortunate that her weretive family issues publicly exposed. addiction is a family disease. david joining us next, good morning. good morning, thanks for having me. i wanted to comment, it seems everyone who has written a book about donald trump, including his collaborator on "the art of comments on how distorted a character he is. the gentleman from connecticut who talked about him as being the only person to pull us out

of the pandemic and a pending race war -- it just seems disconnected from reality. they seemed to have kind of believed the story line, that this is some left wing deep state conspiracy, but they all theand think about republicans who -- the principal republicans were calling from his removal, whether it is the lincoln project or bill kristol's organization, or mitt romney and jeff flake and people like that -- one person mentioned addiction -- it is almost as if the extremes on both sides are addicted to their position. right now, the extreme that supports him just seems to be -- can't get enough of misinformation that supports him and totally does not reflect at all on some objective findings.

it's just scary to think one third of the country approves of what he's doing with this pandemic, and what he's doing has actually made it worse. i just wish they would think through who is criticizing him. it is not just the democrats, it is not some alleged deep state, it is responsible republicans who are coming out with the harshest criticism of him, and they should stop and take a listen to that. david, thanks for the call from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. from denise white on our facebook page, she says "i believe her. .is actions are telling the criminal release sealed it for me," referring to roger stone. report, the new memoir

taking you inside a dysfunctional family and into donald trump's mind. this is from malcolm, who said i thought i would never like trumpet until now. back to your phone calls. in dayton, ohio, stan is next. good morning. stan, are you with us? rick, i'm sorry, from dayton ohio. -- dayton, ohio. good morning. caller: yes, this is rick. good morning. i have no reason to disbelieve trumps knees. -- trump's niece. confirmed what we have been told, other books have been written about how he was low, he was a thug, and we would be in for a long ride if we kept this guy in office. i would like to make a comment to the gentleman from south carolina who called in and said he could stop the race war -- it appears to me that he is trying to create one. for those people that believe he

is such a great economist, if you were living in a trailer in 2016, you are probably still living in that trailer. thank you. sayinghis is from rick, there is nothing in there is book that we cannot believe. it is all very consistent with what everyone has had, plus it confirms exactly what trump has shown us. now we will go to stan, joining us from florida. sorry for the wait. good morning, sir. caller: hello. i'm on now? host: you are, go ahead. he didn't do his homework. he paid people to take the test of doing the work, and he says he is a stable genius. we have governor's saying if people can go to walmart's, kids should be able to go to school. people are dying left and right, and this guy, all these people

sold their stock -- they knew about it in january. four republicans and one democrat sold their stocks. they knew about it in january. if you listen to all the things he did right up until march, still calling this virus a democratic hoax, which everything he calls is a hoax, and [inaudible] he won and got in there after the election. the fbi came out seven days before the election that there were more emails, but that did not hurt him. businessman? he has never been a businessman. he inherited millions of dollars and lied about it. he said he got $1 million. he got way more than that. her member what cohen said -- remember what cohen said, he downgrades his properties -- now

he is buying up in florida, and all he says is i am going to take away the money from schools if they don't go back to school? we have a governor that says you can go to walmart, go to home depot, you should be able to go to school. i think joe biden and jill betsy devos-- should never have been elected to that post. host: stan, we will leave it there. this is from glenn in kentucky -- just more evidence for the real majority voters to consume trump and his enablers. we will have to cheat -- he will have to cheat on an epic level in november. next is jaclyn, thanks for waiting. caller: did you say jaclyn? host: yes, thanks for waiting. i only heard the first part of it. i love trump, and i also come from an alcoholic father family, and it does take a toll with children, but you get over it. his sister, his niece or

whatever, was just waiting for the right moment to put the book out. stone, cast the first the sinner that she is, the sinner that donald is, the sinner that i am. perfect, but he has done wonders for the presidency. i love him. and when he makes mistakes, i still love him. host: from the book, mary trump writes the following quote "donald, following the lead from my grandfather, with complicity and silence and inaction from his siblings, destroyed my father --" referring to fred trump junior, who died at the i cannot let him destroy my country." caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. the last caller who stated that she loves donald trump and the caller prior from connecticut,

it seems that people don't have on. handle on what is going dust from history and what i fromof know -- just history and what i kind of know, hitler'he was elected. not a good man, but the caller said she loved him. -- itat, republican doesn't really matter. it is the humanity of what is going on in the world. presidency is in andce that should be upheld ,pheld and just -- i don't know i'm just surprised that people actually follow someone that is not being kind to the world. that's all. host: this is from carolyn, who says who cares?

trump is my president. i like that he is cleaning the swamp. with your minutes calls and reaction. we welcome our listeners on the the washington, d.c. area and the free c-span radio app. we are also carried every sunday on serious xm potus. in this firstg hour on mary trump's new book, being published by simon & schuster. she has yet to participate in any public events because of a gag order. we will showcase the book on whenn2's booktv, if and events with mary trump become available. cheryl in alabama, your reaction? i was just waking up to see what you all have on your program this morning, and everybody has a book on donald trump.

but this has not been published .et or put out to the public everybody already knows everything in the book. but what i would like for people read nikitaback and khrushchev's predictions speech 1959 and how the country has been following the way that speech goes since then -- i think that would be a better read than what she has. thank you. host: thank you for the call. the headline from the usa today, mary trump's gag order extended to one day before the book goes on sale. let's go to james in north

carolina, good morning. caller: hi, the excerpts i have seen on tv and the few excerpts i have read in various magazines and newspapers, i tend to believe it, because it is insight into what we have been saying. more importantly -- this is my hope, the real thing that scares guy who ishave a pushing his way through government and everything and tearing down all the -- we don't have intelligence, we don't have i don't know if people -- pardon me, the trump supporters have really thought about what comes after mr. trump. if we tore down everything that we had, is this the world we want to leave our children? is this a world we want to leave our children, where might makes right? the rule of law are really doesn't matter? the mob rules?

trumps a world, because won't be there -- the man is in , and the things that put him in office, the russians or whatever, and the things that are keeping him in office -- i do not know if you will have to cheat or tear down some more [inaudible] again, i'moes win wondering, have these people thought about what will this country be like after he's gone? for themes, thanks call. the president a short while ago -- he is up early this morning and already tweeting. he wrote the following -- we now have built 240 miles of new border wall on our southern border. we will have over 450 miles built by the end of the year. we have established some of the best order numbers ever. the radical left democrats want open borders for anyone, including many criminals, to come in. by the way, the drudge report

has a picture of the president with this caption, "behind the mask." is outside of washington, d.c. in bethesda, maryland, the president wearing that mask. our next caller, brian from colorado. good morning. caller: we appreciate what you are doing today. bottom-line, trump is trump. he is never going to change. we expect him to wake up one day and have an epiphany? he is not. if you want him out, vote him out. i want to stress one thing here -- there is still one grown up in the room, vice president pence, and god is watching. theeeds to stand up, invoke 25th, and get him out of office. that is the bottom line. trump is not going to change. vote him out. over. host: this is from rene in newport news, virginia. i do not question the contents of the book so much as the timing. if mary trump's book had come

out four years ago, a lot of time and money, not to mention lives would have been saved. to quote the late, great maya oh, well, better late than never." book, mary trump's new will be published. continue the conversation on our website, c-span.org, on her facebook page, and on twitter, @cspanwj. coming up, we have a discussion with the chair of the ohio democratic party. he also has a new book, "the voter file." and later, john matze, whose social media site is gaining attention. you are watching "washington journal" on this sunday morning, the 11th of july. we are back in a moment. ♪ >> monday night on "the communicators," democratic

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let's begin with some of the latest polling, courtesy of real clear politics, that looks at the average of the polls in ohio. right now with 18 electoral votes, it is essentially a dead heat, with joe biden at 46% on average, the president at 45%. why is it so competitive, 3.5 months before the election? think iteve, i mean, i is -- there are a number of things happening at once. you are seeing a major shift in the suburbs of ohio that a few decades ago or even a year ago, these suburbs outside of cincinnati, columbus, and cleveland, they were the base of the republican party. that is how a john kasich would have been elected or even a george bush. those suburbs are now blue. it is largely women voters, old moderate voters, saying this is not a party we were a part of, and they are voting blue. they voted for sherrod brown.

they voted for democratic mayors and councilmembers, and they are not going to vote for donald trump is november. if you take away the old base of the republican party, and it is tossup or either democrat, which it is, that makes ohio a much tougher state for republicans. that means they have to run up in the rural parts of the state, but these suburbs are a large voting bloc in the state of ohio, some republicans have really lost their old base. the second thing that has happened is the ohio economy, before covid, was already struggling. 2019 was our worst year, jobs wise, and 2009, between january 2019 and 2020, we lost jobs, farm breakroom sees where the highest in a decade, so the whileent's bad policies, trade stuff, and broken promises were already impacting ohio in a negative way, including places he did well in 20, because he

told them he was going to fight for them. no clearer than the gm land that shut down near youngstown. he told those people he was going to bat for them, don't sell their homes, etc. gm shut down, moved to mexico. trump did nothing about it, and then he blamed the workers for it. that story is played out in smaller ways around the state, so whether it is the democrats are fired up -- which we are -- suburbs shifting blue, or these economic policies just not working in ohio, that is putting ohio in play, and joe biden ends up being a very good candidate for ohio. like sherrod brown, he can appeal across the state. but even before biden was nominated, donald trump has been underwater for a year. he knows he is spending millions of dollars on tv here, which is something he never wanted to do. he has visited ohio outside of the state, where he has golf courses, because they know they have been in trouble in ohio for a long time. host: this courtesy of the eight. five thirty

leadiden has a one-point in one survey, a two-point lead in another survey. david pepper, this is a state the president won by eight percentage points. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin became key. additionally, if you look past elections, ohio has gone republican in a presidential year. guest: yeah, i mean, obviously all of these midwest states are key. we think ohio is clearly in play. we are not surprised at these poll numbers. in 2018, sherrod brown won by more than he won in 2012, when obama was on the ballot. the district said he dizzily been drawn -- the districts had easily been drawn for republican victories, through the process of gende. gerrymandering.

that is the process you see shifting. you see something growing in ohio. 20, as i said, there were some ironton ohio, one named on the west virginia border, arer rural towns, these towns that trump won by 60, 40, or more. in 2019, we ran democratic candidates against incumbent mayors, and we beat them by 60, 40, or more. working,mics are not and people want to change, so whether it is suburbs, small towns, or big cities, which are more dominated by big democrats than ever, there is a lot of momentum here. close.io is always i think joe biden understands this. he is the kind of candidate that can run in all parts of the state. int as sherrod brown won 2018 by more than he did in a blue year, we think ohio is a

good fit for joe biden come november. host: we will be asking democrats who they would like to see as joe biden's running mate, so let me ask you that question. who would be your first choice? guest: so i am not here to tell the vice president who to pick. there are some wonderful people on that list. i do think making history by choosing an african-american woman would be very meaningful and would be one other part of his legacy. i also think that would excite ohio voters, and there are some wonderful people he has got to choose from. i will say, from our standpoint, most of the people on the list have been very good to ohio, have been here a lot. kamala harris has been here a lot, stacey abrams has done a lot for ohio. respect most of the folks on that list. outside of that, i will leave it to joe biden to make the best choice. i know they are working very hard on the process. host: we are talking with david

pepper, the chair of the ohio democratic party and the author of his latest book titled "the voter file." explain. guest: explain the book? host:. guest: yeah, so "new york times in addition -- host: yes, please. guest: yeah, so, you know, in my day job, a lot of the books tackle into the dark money that hurts our system, gerrymandering is such a poison to our system. ," it takester file a same approach. there is a lot of talk about the hacking that happened in 2016. emails were hacked. we know that. polling data was taken. and then we casually mentioned well, voter data may have been taken, too. what this book doesn't really explain the risk involved if, you know, foreign forces were

able to get their hands on voter data, a database of voters that campaign used to, you know, inform the way they campaign, essentially that game plan for the end of a campaign, that would be a huge, you know, hype shat could really make a mes of politics. the book -- it is a fictional book, but when you see the voter file's, the voter data that is now available is the crown jewel of a campaign, and this book walks into sort of the worst case scenario, if someone were to do that. but the book tries to get into other key themes, you know, even though we are talking a presidential race, 2020 is also a year where we have statehouse races all over the country. those statehouse races really matter, because whoever wins those races will draw the district lines for the next decade, and gerrymandering of our legislatures and our

congress has been one of the biggest poisons in politics that has made things so partisan, so divisive, so dysfunctional, so, yes, we have to focus on the presidential race, but don't not pay attention to your local statehouse races. because if you care about gerrymandering, who you elect at the statehouse will determine if we continue to have a system of rigged, gerrymandered maps. in a state like ours, our supreme court races. the state supreme court in the state, like ohio, are also going to be determining if maps are valid. so my book, hopefully, has gotten good reviews. it is a good page turner. i hope it has some twists and turns that people like, but there is also some real discussion about issues people like. even though, by the way, i am a democrat, i try to write my books in a way that republicans also enjoy them. i have a mix of characters, so for those of your viewers who will be calling the republican

line, don't let the fact that i'm a democrat scare you off from buying a book that i think you will enjoy. host: "the voter file" is the third in a series by david pepper, who is joining us from cincinnati. as mentioned, his day job is the chair of the ohio democratic party. you mentioned outside influence in your fiction book. robert mueller is writing this morning in the "washington post ," with the headline, "roger stone remains a convicted felon, and rightly so." he writes the following, quote -- host: he went on to write --

host: he went on to write -- host: and finally, there is this from robert mueller in "washington post," --

host: and robert mueller concludes, saying "claims to the contrary are false." your comments? guest: i am really glad he spoke out. again, i do not know mr. mueller at all, but i wish he had been speaking out more since they took his report. i am glad he spoke out. it is very clear that what the president did the other day, as nancy pelosi said, "appalling corruption." this is someone who had the goods on trump. this was not about helping a friend, this was about trump helping himself and abusing the commutation process for his own benefit. i just saw on the way in that roger stone is not even eligible to have his sentence commuted until he shows up to prison, and trump did it even before that, so this is just one other example of deep corruption, and i am glad mueller spoke out. i am glad mitt romney spoke out.

i am glad to meet in pennsylvania spoke out. ohio are waiting for a port meant to say one word about this level of corruption. we already saw trump attack them both. a badge of honor for those to come i think. they are willing to speak out against corruption. everyone should. and to the extent that everyone else is enabling it, they are part of it. this is all something adam he waspredicted when pushing the impeachment case, and mitt romney exhort them, did nothing, and lo and behold, this is exactly what they predicted. i wish i was shocked by this. i am not. i am glad mueller spoke out here i am glad romney and toomey spoke out cute i hope others do as well. one reason i think it is really that democrats not

just win by a few points in a few key states, but that we should turn many states blue, ohio, florida, georgia, but we need to send a message that the kind of divisive, race and stuff we are seeing from trump, that this is not america, and we do not want to send that message to the world come about by just a couple of electoral votes. we want to say it loudly, as the world sees, wow, america really did reject this guy, and hopefully we show loudly, by winning decisively in so many places that republicans, who were afraid to speak out until now, because they do not want a mean tweet from donald trump, like he did against romney today, by people who know that this stuff is nonsense, aan their fear currently is donald trump. my hope is this is not a time for small ball politics.

this is a time for democrats and many republicans who know better, who are joining the lincoln project, an independents, who know this is not who we are coming to join together and send the loudest message, in the way you do that is you win big. you campaign everywhere. 88 counties in ohio. 50 states in this country. you run up the score. iss era, after november, over, and we start moving forward. hopefully the kind of actions we saw about roger stone -- he is literally thumbing his nose at the country by doing this. can you imagine? i can't imagine his own advisors told him "do this." he does it anyway. he knows that most of these senators will let him do anything they want. they did not just go along with what he did in impeachment, they did not just look the other way, senators like rob portman literally voted to cover up evidence.

that was a signal to donald trump, "you can do anything you want. we are going to cover it up. we are going to live for you." and my hope is, he is rubbing our nose with this nonsense, that we look at all this, and we decide november 3, suite him out so decisively that never again will someone behave in this way, as our leader, showing the whole world what we have become. host: ann david pepper, you mentioned "go big." that is the front page of the "new york times," "biden makes a play for the states." our guess is joining us from ohio. for ohio residents, the number is (202) 748-8003. it, do rino'sssed have any problem with the fact we cut obama, biden, and company spying on my campaign?

the whole company ran rampant, wild, and unchecked, lying and leaking all the way. no! this is from the president. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to speak about donald trump in general, that he had nobody -- no political background whatsoever. power, power, power. he did noty, and want to be president. in his own words, "i want to be just like kim jong-un." he loves vladimir putin. people need to realize what he is all about. he wants to be a dictator. he has no leader, he is just all .bout power andy singer, entertainer megan traynor, she had a song outcome "i know you're lying, your lips are moving," that is all about donald trump. mali who iss from

joining us from just north of you in cleveland, ohio. good morning. caller: hi, david pepper. you mentioned that women are going to turn our state blue. i believe you, but then the pandemic happened to it we are trapped in our homes with our children. some of us try to work full-time from home. stillondering if you are counting on women to power the shift blue, and how you plan to keep us mobilized, engaged, and i want an assurance that you are still counting on us and we can be there. host: thank you, molly. did you hear the question and the comments? guest: i sure did. i heard both. let me start with tim. i think donald trump shows true autocratic tendencies. that is his instinct. the people he seems to admire

the most are autocrats. his instinct, whether it is attempts to shut down books coming out or just to ignore the judicial system and think that, you know, his supreme court argument that his own nominees to the supreme court rejected the other day was basically that he should be treated above the law. so he has those tendencies, and i think it is very clear, as tim said, but here is the point that i would make in terms of our history as a country. the founders would say we expected a president to think that way. that is what they wrote a constitution to protect against. i think the founders would say, yes, we actually thought that might happen. and they would not be shocked by a president who has these terrible tendencies that we need to vote out of office. i think the founders would be more shocked by the behavior in congress to not do anything about it. i think they would say, "we gave the balance of powers, we gave

leverage of power to the senate and the house, to stand up when a president behaves in a way that we feared may happen," and i think they would be even more appalled that the republicans in the senate and the house, the jim jordans, the rob portmans, will not do anything about it president who is showing exactly what tim said. so the problematic president is something our founders thought might happen, and i think they would be more shocked and more stunned that the people whose job it is to take an oath to the constitution, they take an oath to be independent, they are violating that oath when they cover-up for the president during the impeachment trial as opposed to actually holding them accountable, which is their job. i think they would be even more appalled by the silence amid all the things that are happening. so i agree, tim, it is a problem. in the best solution, before the election, would be a sinner and a house that actually did their job and stood up to it. that would make it go away

quick. yeah,lory's question, women are saving our country, in ohio and across the country. it is the energy of women we saw from the women's march a few days after the inauguration, to women running for office, you know, i talked about our wins in ohio in 2018. most of those pickups were women candidates. most of the pickups in the u.s. house, when we swept into power there, were women. in the volunteers and the supporters that voted them in were more women, so, yes, women are powering, and i mentioned the suburban shift. the suburban shift in ohio is being driven by women. you know, some men, too, but more by women. so, obviously, we as democrats had better be talking to women through the end. if we should be fighting on women's issues, whether it is the right to choose. what i will also tell you, in reproductive rights, i think this issue is really important.

we have reopened, and states like ohio and other states, with very little sensitivity to what working women say. mike dewine here in ohio, who did a good job,, by the way initially, and the way he reacts but he rushedc, to reopen, and said ok, i will go back to work, before they even had a child care plan. now, what does that say to women, who are having to make that impossible choice between working and their kids? we i think the long-term -- have to do -- the public side has to do a much better job of thinking through all the public support systems that support ,amilies and working women single women working, in particular, before we say to all of them, we will go back to work and start doing all of this again. you know, this has to be much more of a worker-driven,

ittom-up-driven mindset than has been really from the top down. i think that has put people, women, families, working families, workers in general, in a very tough position. we are seeing it now on the school's reopening. the school reopening has been pushed from the top, without any conversation with teachers and staff and schools about how you could actually do it in a way that was safe. so i think that a lot of these decisions are coming from the top down, and i think we are going to continue to have to go backward, because i think that approach is actually making one mistake after the next. and the childcare situation was a perfect example of that. host: to our radio audience, we are talking to david pepper, the ohio chair of the democratic party, previously served on the hamilton county commission, a graduate of yale, both undergraduate and his law degree. emma is joining us from buys

ville, ohio, which is located where? ander: it is about an hour a half away from columbus, ohio. host: good morning to you, emma. caller: good morning. my question is -- are they ever going to put time limits on how long people can hold seats? and like that 90-year-old woman who is a judge, i think there should be a time limit. host: thank you. i think you are referring to ruth bader ginsburg, who is 86, but we get the point. should there be time limits to how long you should serve on the supreme court? guest: i don't think there should be. i think, you know, we have seen over the years that justice is, when i felt like they were unable to continue, chose not to. but one thing about the law, and i say this as a lawyer, having clerked for a judge, you know, one good thing about the law -- and we know we get wiser with

years -- it is one area where, as long as you are strong mentally come in the mid-1980's, you may actually be a much wiser person than you were in your 40's. withdo not have a problem ruth bader ginsburg, still writing incredible decisions. decisions were in the majority, not the dissent. butwill do a fiery dissent, this year, she also helped to put together bipartisan meeting, both democrat and republican leaning judges were on the same page. i am a fan of some judges more than others, but it was interesting to see even gorsuch joined with the democratic nominee is on some important cases. thinko, bigger picture, i it makes sense that they serve, it is a lifetime term, that will.sense, and we . keep seeing it that way. and judges of both party

nominees go on to serve many, many years, and i'm fine with that. host: let me turn to a more immediate political question. the democratic convention next month in milwaukee, as the chair of the state party in ohio, what is that convention going to look like? guest: it is a moving target. i am proud of the dnc for making the proactive decision to make it virtual. they made that before this fight even was getting as bad as a getting, and i think every day that goes by, it is clear that that was the right decision. i will be interested to see what the republicans do, because they are obviously framing there's right in the middle of maybe one or two of the three states with, sadly, the biggest increase i think there will be a lot of virtual die will speak for myself -- i think we could actually have a very good convention. you know, the average american viewer is not watching most of the convention. that person is watching the primetime speeches, you know, 8:00, 9:00 at night, for three or four days.

there is no reason you cannot come up with a way to do those speeches, you know, whether it is michelle obama, barack obama, the vice presidential nominee, or jill biden, we have a lot of democratic candidates, you saw a lot of them run for president, a lot of democratic officeholders, we will be able to fielding the primetime slots with great most of, which is what you see at the conventions anyway. we have all been working with zoom meetings and virtual meetings for months now. we will be able to handle that. pandemic is, given the , we are probably better off having our ohio delegates in ohio working to win ohio van off in hotels in milwaukee at this point anyway. i think we can call the audible, have an exciting convention with the same type of powerful speeches most americans are itching, and then making

meaningful to people back in our home state. i am excited. more than that, i respect tom perez, then dnc chair, the biting company -- the biden campaign, and frankly, the city of milwaukee for saying we are going to do this in a safe way and not be stubborn about it. host: just to be clear, will you be in milwaukee, or will you stay in cincinnati? guest: i don't know, frankly, it is evolving. my own personal plan, i will say most delegates will be in their home states. they will not be in milwaukee. there will be a small amount of meetings in milwaukee. i am not sure who all will be there. again, my guess is -- things are getting worse, not better. it is sad that we are continuing to learn the lesson that the whole world learned two or three months ago, which is -- this is a pandemic. you do not live with a pandemic, as the president said or governor dewine said, if you try

to live with a pandemic, the pandemic wins. the quicker we learned that every time we do too much, it blows up in our face. people get sick. people die. i think being smart now -- the lesson has been made so painfully clear that, you know, err on the side of caution, and if that means fewer and fewer people go, great. we can get our message out. we can organize without the usual pomp and circumstance of a convention. we will see what, if there are small groups meeting, who knows? i feel good about what we are going to do. the thing i feel most tough about is milwaukee is a great place. they worked really hard to get the convention. i thought it was a perfect choice. is,know, obviously, this you know, not the end of the world, but losing a convention, i feel bad about it, because it would have been a real source of excitement for a great city. host: one final point, and i realize we are in a month outcome a lot of things could change when the convention

changes in mid august. do you think most of it will be virtual? do i: i don't nope you honestly don't know maybe a small audience. i have been talking about my team about -- well, what can we itin milwaukee to make exciting? one idea i had was renting a drive-in movie theater. everyone drives in and watches some of it on a victim drive-in screen. -- on a big, drive-in screen. everyone elsetes gets. we will see in the coming weeks exactly what it looks like. host: the question that i have -- drive-in movie theaters, do they even have them anymore? [laughs] guest: actually, in ohio, they do here. i know there are some. this could be there at revival of the drive-in theater for the near term. if there is one open out there, let me know, because it could be

a fun place to do a convention watch party safely. host: we all remember them. load the family in the car. republican line, good morning. caller: good morning, my fellow americans, my fellow ohioans. i would like to add my opinion that there should be a statue in front of the capital of brian lamb. just talkeder had how women are rescuing the country. i believe -- i predict a woman time 13tho beat long district congressman tim ryan, former presidential candidate, who never got more than 1% of the vote. i do not see how gm closing is

when tim ryan has been in office for 18 years. [laughs] i believe that -- i think her name is christina hagan. she has the support of jim jordan, and probably the support of the president, but i believe that she is talking to ohio ans in the mahoney valley who have lost their plans, and when lordstown motors goes in, the first thing democrats do is pooh-pooh the idea, because they will not be beholden to the united auto workers union, and i do not understand how all the things that have not been getting done for 18 years are trump's fault. all right, tim ryan got the packard museum here. that is one thing i can think of he did come a museum to the

history of our old classic cars in the area. but it is not that we are going to lose the mahoning valley scrappers minor league baseball seems liket just everything is not in his control or is donald trump's fault. thank you. i will take my answer off the air. host: thank you, mike. guest: mike, thanks for your question. good to hear from you. let me just say, just, realistically, you have not heard me or anyone say donald trump is the only reason that happened. but here is what happened, just so everyone beyond ohio knows, went to youngstown and said, i to come to your rescue. he said "don't sell your home. it is all coming back," he told them, and people believed him. so when news first came out

about gm shuttering the plans and sending it to mexico, people did not say oh, that is trump's fault that gm is doing it, they did not say that, i did not say that, but they expected the guy who told them not to sell their home to do something. he did not do anything. he did not even respond. and then months went by, nothing, nothing. tim ryan was working to stop it. mike dewine, sherrod brown, they were all saying, my gosh, this is a huge problem for ohio, a huge problem for the valley. and donald trump did nothing! and then tim ryan and rob portman and mike dewine come across party lines, did everything they could to find a solution, donald trump did nothing. , i'm sorry, you did this, he then talks to gm and repeated the line you just said come about the uaw. he blamed the union!

he blamed the workers! mexico.this to the workers and the uaw made concession after concession to keep that plant there, and trump did not credit them. gm gets a tax break from him, from the tax scam that incentivizes sending jobs overseas? 20 does not take the workers and the union's side. nothing, not just do like he said he would, he blamed the workers. and the last thing he did his he said to these people, thousands tons of other jobs thrown into problems, communities hurt. he then said, to the valley, the place he promised the world, "it doesn't matter." look it up. it is a quote.

he said "it doesn't matter, because there will be so many other jobs created in ohio, that you will forget about these jobs lost." and what has happened since he said "it doesn't matter"? we lost jobs, construction and manufacturing jobs, in 2019. so he told folks -- he did nothing to stop it. he blamed workers. and then he said "it doesn't matter." that is why people are upset. and then, guess what, you probably were there, he sent threeup to youngstown weeks ago to try to say everything is ok. the media laughed about it. newspapers say that was not a good thing to say. of ouraid, "we kept all promises to lordstown." what a joke. of the lordstown situation was the uaw leader named dave green, he fought as

hard as he could across party lines, nonpartisan, trying to keep those jobs, and donald trump told everyone not to sell their homes. left the area, to keep his job. even the leader of the workers had to move. so this is not -- we are not being simplistic about this. this is not a saying well, donald trump, you know, did it, but he promised he would do something. he did nothing. he then blamed workers. and then he said "it doesn't matter." that is not living up to his promises. tim ryan has fought on this and other issues for his entire career, and there are things in that area that would not be there. all sorts of newer technologies. m is one of the reasons that you see some hope. i will take your bet, mike, tim will win again. the people of the valley know that tim has been fighting for

them every single day since he got there. host: brandy is next in ohio. good morning. you are on with david pepper, the chair of the state democratic party. caller: hi. good morning. i just have a few comments and then a brief question. to comment on the woman who was talking about justice ginsburg, um, i think she is being a patriot. she probably is really tired, and she probably would like to be somewhat retired, but she is't, because our president a -- his judgment is such in bad form that she is probably afraid of who he would appoint. that and i would also like to comment on the last caller that jimjust had, he said that jordan supported -- jim jordan is a pots. he stands for nothing. the republican party, which i used to be a proud member of, does not stand for that anymore.

he is just hoping that he will get a raise, he will get a promotion. unfortunately, his time has run out. hopefully he will get voted out. that,stion for david is in ohio, we discussed subsidies for per family, per child, for food subsidies. i have never gotten any supplement. not only have i never gotten one, but i was left out of the supplement. what are you prepared to do, as use yourat goes, to platform to advocate for families like us, who -- i make $40,000 a year, and i can barely afford to feed my family right now, with the prices. so that is my question. guest: yeah, great question. i appreciate your question and your comments. i do not have the exact answer to your question, but i would certainly be happy to help. if you go to my website,

davidpepper.com, you will find in email to send me that. our congressman from cleveland is a champion on food supplements, as you are saying, it is a huge need. sadly, it is a growing need in 2020 in america. . . people are hungry. people are having a hard time spending money on food. send me that question. on the other point, i agree, ruth bader ginsburg and others are, you know, like you said, in many ways, i am sure they would enjoy doing other things besides being on the front line of democracy, but that is exactly where they are, and the last thing we need is another, you know, attempt to rush a justice in, in the second half of this year. so she is doing a great job. she is the strongest woman as i think we will ever see in this country. you know, when we look back at the sentry, i think ruth bader ginsburg and leaders like nancy pelosi can i a lot of well-known women leaders, will be seen as

really historic figures for the leadership they have shown in a very difficult time. let medan, i, you know, just say we are a state, not to go back to the book i wrote, "the voter file," but we are a state that has among the worst gerrymandering in the country. so just so folks know beyond of ohioans18, 50 2% a republican for congress. 48% voted for democrats. that is like a 50/50 state, right? what do we have? 12 republicans, for democrats. and most do not worry about getting reelected. it is like they are handed it. the super majority is republican. this is not a democracy at a certain point, when the delegate

breakdown is not reflective of how the voters are voting. that is why jim jordan exists. jim jordan -- and now he have a great opponent this year, and , but jimrash our jordan can act the way he asked, still out of step with almost anyone anywhere. he is not like romney, doing the opposite. he does not care about anything trump is doing, but he acts like that, because he does not think the voters can do anything about it. a basically thinks of reelection as a reappointment, with no accountability at all. blue this ohio november does not just end the trump presidency come i also gives us the chance to end gerrymandering. so even if jim jordan gets reelected, and i hope shannon beats him, at the very least he will be in a district where he has to worry that the voters get a say whether or not he gets to keep his job. most of ohio congresspeople, the voters do not have a say if they keep their jobs, so they say nothing, they do very little,

they never stand up, because they do not worry about it. the only thing of a publican congressman in ohio -- and they are all men, by the way -- the only thing ever public and congressman ohio worries about is that they will be beaten in the primary. to be asincentive is jim jordan as possible, and that is why our system is so broken. so showing up this november to vote -- do not just worry about electing joe biden and getting rid of donald trump, you can help end gerrymandering, so you can hold people that jim jordan accountable, and you can end gerrymandering by voting through your valley, making sure you're voting for statehouse members and supreme court candidates who are dedicated and are clear that they stand up against this red system known as gerrymandering. wet is the way, in the end,

will get rid of the super divisive politics we see out of people like jim jordan, who just feel like they are not accountable to anybody, because under a rigged system, they are. host: on twitter, they can find you @davepepper. in a sentence, the book "the voter file" says what? guest: "the voter file" is a large database of all the voters in the country, which really exists. the democrats have one. republicans have one. "the voter file" is a story of what would happen if someone got their hands on it and wanted to do some damage. and the sad truth is, they could do a lot of it. that is the story. host: david pepper, joining us from cincinnati, thank you so much for being with us on c-span and taking our viewers' call. guest: thank you. host: a new republican website is getting attention. john matze will be joining us,

the ceo of parler. he is in las vegas. "washington journal" will be back in a moment. ♪ monday night on "the , democratics congressman mike doyle talked about this information on social media and the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on telecommunications. rep. doyle: when people who run these platforms, take a look, at the country they have created, because they have change the country. you all see the division in our country right now. it is chiefly being done by social media. i mean, it is just crazy to me how you can identify people's political affiliation just based on certain actions and phrases that you hear everyday on the internet. >> congressman mike doyle, monday night at 8:00 eastern on

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aaron geiger smith talks about the history of building in the united states and some of the issues surrounding voting today in her book "thank you for voting." erin: it has had a massive impact on voting rights, and there is not any voting rights advocate or attorney that does -- the votingjust laws that are discriminate rearm, of course, illegal, there is not federal oversight of the history of discrimination that, you know, the kind of stopgap where they need federal approval to make voting changes. >> watch tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's "q&a." "washington journal" continues. host: our focus -- social media and free speech. the website is parler.com, and joining us from las vegas is the

ceo of that website, john matze. thank you so much for being with us. guest: thank you. host: if you were to put a mission statement to your website, what would it be? guest: our mission statement would be to create a town square for free speech discussion and to protect people's privacy while doing it. host: so why a need for yet another social media site? what is motivating you and others to start this? guest: well, lately i am sure you have seen a lot of the present surrounding what is going on politically and people feeling like they have been censored in the united states. there's a lot of people that feel that they cannot reach out on social media, and they think that they are going to get ba attacked for their point of view, and they are looking for another place to go. and actually, this is a lot broader than the united states. this is happening all over the world. i spoke to people in israel, brazil, the middle east, the united kingdom, and some in europe as well.

people feel -- and this is not just the united states -- people genuinely feel that the platforms are trying to censor them. host: one who believes that his texas senator ted cruz, who had this to say about free speech, social media, and parler.com. [video clip] ruz: big tech is out of control, filled with hubris in flagrantly silencing those with whom they disagree. from conservative media organizations, to the president of the united states, and millions of americans in between. these actions do not just threaten our first amendment rights and our free speech. they threaten the integrity of our election and future of our democracy. with another presidential election just months away, i am working in the senate every day tohold big tech accountable the american people and to make sure that your voices are heard. that is why i am proud to

join parler. this platform gets what free speech is all about, and i am so excited to be a part of it. host: that is from texas senator ted cruz. john, what makes parler different from, say, twitter? guest: there are a few different aspects, technically come about what has been getting the most press right now is the community guidelines. it seems it is very popular. people are talking about what we are doing differently, um, and what we want to do is create rules that are based in law rather than rules that are more or less arbitrary, and so the idea is that if you go onto the platform, you don't have any ideological bias of the platform itself. everything is supposed to be very straightforward and candid, you know, like no pornography, no nudity, but things like having a debate or having discourse is encouraged. so it is a different take, um, ofthe tech world for terms

service and privacy as well as what you can cannot say on the community guidelines. it is a little bit different in that regard. host: why the name "parler"? guest: there are a few reasons. parler in french is parlay, which is "to speak," but parler in english has the same association, and actually when you're on parler, you create par ley, a discussion between two people with different, opposing viewpoints to come to a consistence. -- consensus. host: for those who want to join parler, are there guidelines, rules, and regulations? guest: yes, there are. in order to sign up, you just need an email and a phone number. having these two things keep the conversation more real. people are limited to one account, so they cannot spam and

bot the platform, like you find in other places. and once you are on, you are free to have discussions with whoever you would like. host: and what is the business model? do you take advertising? do you have to pay to join this site? guest: right now, we started with generic advertising, which is something very standard, similar to other sites. in the future and where we are going with advertising and revenue in general, the concept is going to be that people who are on the platform, creating content, are going to be the ones who benefit from the advertising, alongside the platform. as in we recognize that we could not exist without content creators, and content creators should be rewarded as well. so we are going to be doing a dual-influencer advertising model in the future. host: with a degree from political science from the university of denver, what is your background? guest: like you mentioned, i graduated from the university of

denver. right out of school, i went into the defense industry. we were working on the predator drone's. i started a consulting business, building iphones for people, and i also had a brief stint at amazon in their web services department. host: what is the projection for parler.com? how many users do you have right now, and what do you expect to get in the months ahead? guest: well, we continue -- year-over-year, we have had two minutes growth. over 2ar, we have million people that have joined, just this year, and we are passing over 3 million total users very shortly. and i think this is going to continue, especially as this election starts heating up. things are going to get more and more partisan. people are going to feel that their media is being manipulated or it is being, you know, it just seems like propaganda. that is going to happen more and more as the election approaches, and they are going to feel a need to come to a platform who

has been open about being unbiased and not messing with content and not, you know, changing the way things are displayed. host: there is this, though, from mark sullivan, a writer for a fact company, and he writes in particular about your website, parler.com. here is an excerpt. host: your reaction. guest: i do not think he looked very hard on the platform. a lot of people who write things like that spend about three seconds on the platform, look at

a couple of posts, and then make a judgment call pure i think there are a lot of conservatives on the platform, because it is primarily can the right now, if you are in the u.s., you are going to see mostly conservatives on the platform. that is a large chunk of the audience. but there is debate. there is a lot of debate, especially among conservatives, of different viewpoints. you will see it is not a big kumbaya, but you have to look, you know, you cannot just take it at face value. and, you know, like i said, you ted, you mentioned 1 cruz, senator mike lee, and others who were on there, there is debate, there are people who disagree with them. i think that is a really premature outlook on the site, for what it is worth. host: john matze is going is from las vegas. our phone lines are open. we would love to hear from you. (202) 748-8000. that is the line for democrats. and (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

we have a line for independents, and we are also taking your tweets @cspanwj. in terms of this election year, what kind of feedback have you had so far from those running for office. are they using your site as a way to get their message out? guest: a lot of people seem to be using it on the conservative side of the aisle to get their messaging out. i have also heard that we are doing very well, in terms of fundraising, on our platform. it seems that people who are advertising or are posting about fundraising on our platform are doing far better than twitter. some people are seein reporting they are seeing 2x donations on parler instead of twitter, so they are seeing huge returns. but we are also seeing, you know, a lot of people making posts, a lot of topics, discussions that they do not feel comfortable talking about on twitter as well. host: the conservative criticism of twitter and facebook, is that fair criticism? guest: uh, i think it depends.

some of it is, and some of it isn't, for what it is worth. when it comes to what they are doing in the, you know, free-speech space, i think it is pretty warranted. i do not think it is appropriate that the president had his tweets censored. even if they are uncouth, i think they should go out. i do not think they should be censored, especially in an election year, especially before they hit the polls. host: the president in the last hour with this tweet, saying quote, i know many in business and politics that worked out endlessly to the point of exhaustion, it is their number one passion in life but nobody complains. my exercise, he says, is playing almost never during the week, a quick round of golf. obama played more and for much longer. --mer president obama played fake news, cnn and others part themselves anywhere they can to

get a picture and then scream president is playing golf. actually i play very fast, get a lot of work done on the golf course and also get a tiny bit of exercise, not bad. the president this morning with one of a series of tweets. your comment about the president using this media platform, many say very effectively during his campaign and now during his presidency to get the message above the heads of the mainstream media. guest: i think it is important that speech isn't filtered. you think of what about different media outlets he is talking about, the concept that all speech and all voices and what everyone has to say has to filter through a few of the elites, i think that is not a very good president, especially in a country founded as a democratic republic, where people are supposed to have debate and make decisions on the behalf of everybody in this country. that is the power we have all been given and we should all have the power to speak directly to other people as well, without

it needing to go through a filter. i think that is really important, and that is why you see so many people who like the platform. it will become more than just a group of conservatives, especially as this continues. host: our caller joining us from tulsa, oklahoma. caller: i was hoping to have caught you with the gentleman but i will before, try to put my thoughts together in relation to what you are speaking about. especially platform, what this gentleman is on here right now is attempting to do, would be an advantage to u.s. citizens that want to know the truth about things. fact checking wouldn't hurt. sometimes people get on and talk pizzathings like the restaurant fiasco a few years ago that was rated based on

comments made on a media outlet, but in relation to the gentleman's text you read a few minutes ago about his platform, you seem to be where only older people come in and comment to one another back and forth on their likes and dislikes. let's not forget that they were the largest group that there was one of the reasons we are in the position we are in right now is because of the baby boomers, of which i am one. i have a sister that has been banned three or four times just for expressing views from someone else that she had received facebook notices from and then recounted them to someone else and was barred off the platform for repeating something somebody else said.

it is obvious congress would not be checking into breaking them up such as roosevelt did with steel, oil and banking a long time ago. it has reached the point to orre that needs to be done, stop the censorship and allow people to say what is on their minds. host: thank you. to that point, john matze, newsweek magazine says parler, the ted cruz approved free-speech app is already banning users. to the callers point, are you banding some users on your site? ,uest: there have been bans yes. -- asn as people announce soon as ted cruz made that announcement and the presser to picking up what was going on, we saw huge influx of people posting pornography and pictures of fecal matter and we did ban those people. it is clear in are committed to

guidelines that isn't allowed -- in our community guidelines it isn't allowed. postjournalists decided to that we were banning liberals even though that was complete false. we were only banning people who are posting repetitive pornography. i don't think anybody wants to go on the internet and see that and that is why it is in our committee guidelines, that you can't put nudity on the site. i think that is a very fair statement. what carl was saying was true, people feel that they crossed the line on these other platforms and have gone too far with ideological suppression, and that is just not what we are doing here. it is very different and clear. host: we should point out that you post those community guidelines on your website. this is what it looks like as we go to our next caller joining us from indiana. thank youod morning, very much that you are taking my call. i have a question about this gentleman.

venues when media you listen to this media, the guys who finance black lives financing allre the people from the communist party and at the head of them is susan rosenberg and you don't on cnn, especially on cnn or msnbc. they don't follow that. i am a strong supporter of mr. trump and i am a republican and i just want to know what is his opinion about all these media because right now there is something going on and black lives matter go around and they do everything they want and in my opinion they don't care about black people, but it is a bunch of communism. it is all over the internet.

you don't have to take my word on it. you can go online and see the name of these guys. they are a bunch of communism and they are financing and are directing and all these demonstrations. host: thank you for the call. john matze. guest: i think it is important to get access to all news so you can see with the level of transparency what is happening. whether you believe something is happening with that group or you doing, in what they are either way, you should be able to talk about it and get the message about any evidence you might find and have a discussion within the community, because we believe that most people are good and that the community as a whole could make a decision about what is going on if they can talk clearly and freely about it, rather than relying on talking pink -- talking points from the media. host: carl sending us this text

message, he is from michigan, please ask john if his platform will flag misleading information or put facts up to obviously untrue statements made their and decide that is not censorship. guest: we don't have any fact checking. what we do is we are going to rely on the comments of the community to do that. i don't think it is right for us to come in and say what is and is not true. fact checking is something that publications do. that is something you might experience on more of a biased website. we believe that you can't have fact checking without bias, especially in politics. what might be true for one person is false to another when it comes to political opinions and statements, especially with misleading headlines and things of that nature. with thick it is best for the community to have a discussion about it, and the community to be able to, in the comments section effectively just -- disprove it and we have seen that happen when you have very

fake, even things that you think blind supporters of somebody might want to say is true, you have seen commenters in support of those individuals actually calling out that content and saying this is false, stopping it in its tracks. i think the community has the power to do that on our platform. host: this from randy in south carolina with another text message, saying the only people i see touting matze are conservatives, many far-right, does not sound good for our political discourse. what do you say to that? guest: we have had these censorship platforms for 10 plus years now, and i say the country has only gotten more partisan and more divided and seems to hate each other more every day. it seems worse and worse. i think it is time to try something new like having free-speech when it comes to your online interactions. there are a lot of right-leaning individuals. i don't think it is primarily an

extremist group. i don't think there are very many extremists at all on the platform. there are right-leaning figures, and eventually the lead -- and eventually the left will have a need for this. i believe both sides of the partisan spectrum, what is in their favor is -- that is why we are here in the middle to not get involved. host: to that point, how would you define your politics? guest: me personally? i am more of a libertarian. what anyonely care believes or does politically. i don't have much faith in either political party. host: cenet is writing about you -- cnet is writing about your site. is the president on your site? guest: he is not. his campaign is, his son is. there are a lot of other people on but he is not. host: one person getting a lot of attention, laura blumer who uses your site.

who is she? guest: she is a congressional candidate in florida, and she has been banned on about every social media platform out there, but she isn't banned on parler. she is very active on parler, and a big supporter. host: with nearly 600,000 followers. our next caller out of ohio. we appreciate you waiting. caller: i appreciate your being on this program. i think you are opening up a very wide subject that needs to be addressed, and i think it has to really be affecting both parties, that we are dealing with currently. the reason i am concerned about this issue is because i was an avid facebook user for some time, and i have been on certain sides of the fence about politics, which i don't consider a problem but i was very concerned how censorship was

happening on sites like facebook and i feel like the reason that happenappen is -- bans -- when president barack obama got in and many people credited his election with the use of social media. we have seen how republicans have turned it on the democrat party and basically attacked or went after social media sites to turn those messages around to support their side of the story. that is not my whole concern on this call. my concern is something i felt very personally threatening and attacking to me. i have gotten two messages either text messages either text messages that came into my phone, not the internet but my phone, which i don't have registered in many places, regarding my son, a convicted felon. these two calls came from newt gingrich. my son never voted republican. i don't know why newt gingrich had the right to attack social

media to find his phone number to text that phone number about my son to vote republican this fall. i find that very offensive. never ever took information about his phone number and the fact that he was associating me and my son to their campaign for the election concerns me deeply. host: thanks for the call. we will get a response. importantt is really is that people's privacy is expected is respected online. these other companies -- privacy is respected online. these other companies, we have had a lot of press historically especially concerning the last election and afterwards, for giving away information. this is something we think is really important, to keep all user data, anything that is personally identifiable, keep it in a format that can't be read, even by us unless extensive effort is put in, so it is not easily shared, and we don't

share information, especially personally identifiable information. it is in our terms of service and committee look -- community guidelines. it is important, especially for the reason you brought up. it is very scary and creepy when your information gets out there, and it is important that we keep it confidential. host: you are perfect -- you are currently a private company. will you go public? guest: i am hoping we can remain private as long as possible. itwe were to become public, might have a bit of a conflict of interest with the free-speech guidelines, but we will see. i hope you stay private as long -- i hope to stay private as long as possible. testify before congress. the headline from politico, republicans invite the parler ceo to rumble with silicon valley giants.

will you testify and will you rumble? guest: i don't know what they mean by rumble. and i accept the offer, will be honest and transparent about my experiences in the tech space and how difficult it has been. host: we will go to carolyn in tennessee on our republican line. caller: good morning. how are you? host: we are great, how are you? caller: thank you. i am calling to tell my story. i live in tennessee, and i am old and i can't even work a computer. i get everything i get off the tv. love when president trump tweets out what he thinks, because if it wasn't for that, cnn, msnbc, even the local channels around here, you would never know what the man is

thinking or what he plans for the united states. they don't want him out there telling what he thinks. they want it to be what they think. i appreciate the text and fox news for what we hear about what he has to say. host: here is what the president texted in the last hour, his route -- is twitter saying no radical left an artist agitators, looters or protesters will be knocking down or harming the washington monument, lincoln or jefferson memorial or any other federal monument. he missed spelled monument. or statue. if they try, automatic 10 years in prison. that is the president about 45 minutes ago. your reaction to what carolyn said and another tweet from the president? guest: she is exactly correct. we shouldn't have arbiters of information. it should be transparent.

to your point about the tweet, everyone asks for an edit button because everybody always seems to screw up a text sometimes. i kind of like the grammatical failures once they go out in parler. i think it is fun to see it is real. it is a reminder that everybody israel. host: we have all done it. we will go to gym in missouri, republican line. caller: good morning. thanks for starting parler. i haven't been on it yet but it the firstd and amendment is definitely the for -- definitely the most important. the reason why there might be more conservatives at this site -- theyse it is clear are probably white christians too. clearly the liberal media and hollywood and everything hates christian white people and they have an agenda against them.

riling up black lives matter and anti-foot to hate white people. it has been going on for 50 years or so, ever since the civil rights movement, and it is all organized by certain groups that want to monopolize all the social media. they own the media before with hollywood. i don't know if it should be censored. of what is part behind hating white christians. it always has been. host: the website is parler.com. john matze, your reaction to that caller. guest: i think everyone's point of view is important, and that we have a discussion about it. as you can tell from a lot of the people calling in, they feel victimized in other places. i don't think that people should

feel victimized for who they are online. host: from los angeles, douglas, good morning. caller: yes. independent, and a vet. been around for a little bit. i remember when california used to be considered one of the best states in the nation, but like the rest of the world or the rest of this country, it seems to have gone down the tube along with both parties. decents they can't get a individual to run. i am talking about trump or biden. figureone of them can't out what they want to do. trump can't make a proper decision. biden can't make a decision, period. i far as black lives matter, always thought all lives matter.

it doesn't matter who it is, what color it is. the people that talk about the individual, the black lives matter, i saw the representative for that say i would like to get one of those cops and put my knee on his neck for nine minutes, and everybody in the crowd, black-and-white started cheering. this is ridiculous. this country is don't know what way they are going, and somebody with some sense needs to get up again, like a us reagan. host: thanks for the call. john matze. guest: thank you. i agree. everything is hyper partisan. everything is extremely hyper partisan right now. a lot of it is to blame on the sensors because you have extreme opinions on one side or the other, and nobody is really in

the middle anymore. is we can have some actual debate and come back to the middle and get some leadership again. that is the goal. host: this from another viewer, saying how does your site deal with the issue of fake news from other countries? are there lessons from 2016? guest: when it comes to fake news, we covered that earlier. i like to leave it to the people to have a conversation about all of this, and that is our concept. when it comes to international fake news, there is a lot of international fake news, even in the mainstream right now. news everywhere is manipulative by somebody with an agenda. it would be best if we could talk about it and recognize it and if we do that, the community should be able to recognize what is going on. host: michael from connecticut. good morning.

make a i am trying to comment, the fake news is blown up by trump but what he said earlier about the pornography and people not wanting to watch pornography on the internet. what is the internet for? 70% of what goes on the internet is pornography. good luck with your website. i think it will probably work good as long as it is not ones that -- as long as it is not one-sided or the other, but it will have a lasting effect and b take over facebook. thank you. guest: thank you. you are right. 70% of the internet is out there for that and that is why we prefer to keep it off of our site, because i think it is well protected elsewhere. host: it has been reported that you are willing to pay to have more voices, even progressive voices on your site. is that true? guest: we did have a progressive challenge for a while. we started with $10,000 and then $20,000 for prominent

progressive self-declared progressives to come join the site and get into the debate. we haven't had any takers. we had some interest, but no takers yet. we really want to get more people on there. we have a confirmed it is legitimate yet but it seems we have a left-leaning publication that we are going to be able to put up in the news section with all the other conservative publications. we are excited to see that, so you can see the contrast. host: here is her chance. if you want to make some news this morning and release the name of that publication? their we have a confirmed identity yet, so we are not sure it is an imposter yet. we are close, but not sure. host: our next caller joining us from florida on our line for democrats. caller: good morning. ask -- yourng to that, if he thought

fascism in this country is a serious domestic threat. host: why do you ask the question? caller: i am asking the question because i do believe it is a serious threat, and i wonder, being a libertarian, whether he feels the same way. host: thank you for the question and the comment. guest: me personally? there is a lot of those kinds of tendencies all around with both political parties, and i don't think it is right. i think that central points of authority are not good. we should have weaker central points of authority so people can have more power. that is me, personally. it has nothing to do with the company. that is part of our mission statement and not be arbiters of the truth. i guess you can kind of see where i am coming from. i don't like the kinds of central points of power and i don't think it is right, so i agree with the caller. host: are you on other social

media sites or do you limit yourself solely to parler.com? guest: i have a twitter, but it only has one post and it just says join me on parler. i don't have anything other than parler. host: we will go to houston. good morning. caller: it has been quite a while. the internet is global. what are we doing to identify arele, foreigners who talking about domestic politics, and also, why not open this up to the world? why not let people from around the world talk about their politics? let's say china? you can't have any discussion about politics over there. what would you do to conceal those identities so that they are allowed to speak? guest: great question. what do you think would happen if president trump

adopted a consumption tax for his second term? host: a couple good points. guest: great points about international. we have seen tremendous support for our platform in brazil right now. he hadzilian president, experienced some kind of censorship on twitter and so he joined parler and bought a lot of people in brazil over. we have seen the same thing in the united kingdom. we have 20 members of parliament in the united kingdom on our platform. we also have a lot of people from saudi arabia and iran. iran, specifically because they want to speak out against the regime and were unable to do so on other platforms. it is an international movement, to answer that question. host: if somebody does post something that would be objectionable, if it is not the symbols or things -- if it is

nazi symbols or things like that, do you take something like that down or leave it on the site? guest: anything that is a direct threat of violence and we use the term, fighting words, something intentionally used to create a fight or that would lead to violence is removed. anything that will lead to violence will be removed. if that answers your question. host: let's go to roger in virginia. caller: good morning. i am a little nervous this morning. i would like to know your communion --rump's commuting of roger stone's sentence. it seems like everybody who stuck with him is free. those who don't are gone. do you think america is great again now? host: the commutation of the sentence of roger stone that took place late friday evening. do you have an opinion on that?

guest: i don't have an opinion directly on that. roger stone is on our platform. it is the only place he still has a voice online. he has been censored on every other platform for the most part. arlaying yesterday on the platform. you can hear his views on the matter on parler. host: mark from michigan, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. about six or seven callers ago, there was somebody that came out and openly said they thought jews were responsible for all the white christian problems, and your caller did not have any rebuttal for that, did not criticize that. it sound like some been that could create hate. with your platform, it seems like something like that would be able to go through. why did you not say anything to rebut that and if somebody did have a viewpoint where they

stereotyped an entire culture of people, what would you and your ortform do to debunk that make sure that doesn't happen? point, ands for the also as a follow-up from rebecca who has this tweet, does parler fact-check or is it a free-for-all? i realize we addressed some of these issues for but how do you go after those points? guest: to mark's point, there are some people who have opinions that are extreme and to your point, sometimes people need to get checked. frankly, when i heard the comment it, --, -- when i heard the comment, it was at the end so it went over my head but thanks for bringing it up so we can address it. there are people who have extreme opinions out there, and on one hand, the current status quo is that if they have extreme opinions, you banned them. in my opinion, if they are not violent and are using rhetoric or using something of that nature, then people should confront them in the comments

section and they should have a conversation, because my viewpoint is if you ban somebody and get rid of their voice, they are still going to vote that way at the polling booth. they will still think that way and they might come out and do something horrible. the only way to solve that problem is through discussion and keeping them engaged with the community. i feel that the good majority of people will change the opinions of those who are extreme in the minority. new: our last call is from york, outside of buffalo. you get the last word. caller: i do have a question, because i am not a major big anythingresearcher or in the one thing i do know is like facebook and twitter. if you make a comment, people just really, there is a lot of blowback from it. quite honestly, if i were to say something like i would not vote

for a person that is narcissistic sociopath, doesn't matter on which side that person fell, democrat or republican, there is suchit is kind of liket a discussion, but that right there is a major influence across-the-board politically. it affects everyone. to make that person and then get are you just offering people to have a conversation, but it is solely based on their opinion? am an independent, but because democrats -- neither party really is specific for what they would like. right now, who we have is causing great harm. this is where i see this. for me to say something like that, i'm going to put my name

out there and get blowback. i don't know. i would like to check your site out. host: thank you. . guest: great question. you don't have to use your real name on the platform. you can even get verified as a real person with your identity, but keep it confidential and secret. they can see u.s. whatever name you want. in general, people online can be rough. that is true of everyplace out there today. nobody has a solution to that. our goal is to give people the option to have that discussion. i understand your point, i get blowback all the time for things i south there, especially from people who disagree. i understand. host: john mason from las vegas. website, parlor.com, a social media site. we thank you for being with us.

guest: thanks for having me and thank you to the callers. to turn our going attention to coronavirus. from johns hopkins, a look at the numbers worldwide. point 7 billion confirmed cases. 188global death toll in countries approaching 566,000. the u.s. leading around the world. dr. anthony fauci calling the situation both significant and serious. nextis our focus of the half-hour. eastern or central time zones, (202) 748-8000. big dialing now. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001. on social media including cspanwj.@ we turn our attention back to coronavirus. you are watching and listening to washington journal.

we are back in a moment. ♪ night,er: monday democratic congressman mike doyle, also chair of communications and technology subcommittee, talked about disinformation on social media and the effect of the coronavirus on telik medications. -- on telecommunications. >> with these people look at the country they have created, because they have changed the youure of this country, don't see the division that exists in our country that is cheaply being done by social media. crazy because you can identify people's political affiliations based on certain actions. doyle, when they night at eight :00 eastern on the communicators.

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from johns hopkins university, this map of where the hot spots are. primarily in the south, west, and california. those communities reopened, seeing a huge uptick especially in florida and texas. the associated press with this headline, "coronavirus deaths take a turn for the worse. a long expected upturn in coronavirus deaths has begun, driven by fatalities in states in the south and west according to data. the number of deaths per day from the virus had been following for months, and remained down as florida and texas saw explosions in cases and hospitalizations. and reported infections, breaking records. scientists warning it would not last. a coronavirus death when it occurs typically -- experts predicted states who saw increases would at some point

see deaths rise as well." theay, dr. anthony fauci, chief infectious disease doctor at nih, speaking at an aids virtual conference talked about the coronavirus pandemic. , andtrying to track down contact trace individuals who may have covid-19 had this to say. [video clip] >> what you need is to get a good idea in general of where you are and apply that. that are different models -- are working on to figure out what is the best statistical approach toward what's in the community and the benefit of doing pools. it is complicated, but it does play a role and i am sure is going to have an important impact on what we do.

mentioned, thed situation we are facing the united states is significant and serious and the fact that we had community spread in areas where many individuals are without symptoms. that is, getting a re-task. host: that from -- host: that discussion is available on youtube. has been sidelined as the crisis deepens, reportedly has not spoken to the president since june." your reaction to the uptick in cases, especially in the southern parts of the country and california, washington and oregon. let's go to george in new jersey. beginning,m the very takenirus was obviously as a biological terror weapon out of china. it is being forced on us with all of these statistics and

numbers. nobody knows anybody that really died from covid, but everybody is dying. they have been wrong on everything. host: that's not true. people know people who have died. corona, but call it it's heart attacks. we understand what they are doing. they are lying to us. host: who is lying? caller: dr. fauci is a liar. every time he says something he is laughing about it. he left behind your presidents back about how ignorant the president was. who the heck is going to listen to somebody who is a joke about the occurrence of your president? who laughs at that. --s man is invested heavily this is the market. this is bill gates taking us to china. and making a lot of money doing it. if we want to live under tyranny of a chip, and everybody knows

what you are doing and they can poison you anytime they want because they have a so-called vaccine. say this have to do is guy has got to go. they trace you and you knew somebody who had the same idea so they trace him. they put all these people in gulags like russia. this is ridiculous. whether ite ask you is democratic or republican governors, they are taking it seriously. caller: that all people die of the flu? they put them in nursing homes to kill them and they are taking it seriously? does our government care about us that does not give us health care? how do they care about life when they don't give us health care? who believes our government really cares about us? let me find that idiot and get him out of this country. anybody with eyes had better wake up and revolt to this is a terror attack. they put a chip in you and your kids.

mandatory vaccines. this is an economic attack. the washington post, "the curve bends the wrong way." trumpump flame -- "esther claims falsely that-- -- buffeted by multiple outbreaks from premature openings now facing critical -- about reopening. the nation is heading in the wrong direction. testing, wearing face masks are faltering. president trump has his head in the sand. alexis ino wilmington, north carolina. fauci calling the situation significant and serious. caller: good morning.

himsh they had listened to from the onset. trump could be shining right now. we could have this pandemic behind us if he had shut down, taken over -- not shut down, far asver every media as cnn, all of this stuff. this was his autocratic time. you've got two weeks to get groceries and then we are shutting the country down. the mps delivering food or whatever. we could have gotten past this. but no, he didn't. all i am concerned about now -- i am 72. my kids are 31. they have got a long way to go with this. one is in california. i'm concerned about her health. sorry, there is not a lot i can

do about this other than spread the word to wash your hands and wear your mask. if you don't have to go out, don't. i am really worried about this country because everything has been made political and it is not. some of this is life-threatening. host: financial times did an interview with dr. anthony fauci. it is available on the ft website. the number ofned new cases could rise to 100,000 today. , whatd financial times worries me is the slope of the curve. the distrust of experts makes this a problem. we cannot run away from it." have a fan base, but he is disparaged to receive death threats from people who

believe coronavirus is a con. dr. fauci laughed at the president in person. he says he has not briefed the president in two months. he tries to hold back, believing he will make a bigger difference through the course of the pandemic if he keeps his job. --." host: tim in wisconsin, good morning. guest: caller: i called back on march 11 when people were -- calling it a hoax and marching around india. day.e fast forward to the -- indiaime, it landed and china were breaking out. we should have seen it coming. a lot of people had seen it coming, but the president wouldn't listen. i put ais a lot of -- lot of this on your shoulders

because you pressured the governors. economy would be incomplete she handles -- complete shambles. democrats and republicans propped the economy up with a $5 trillion money. and then the stimulus and the packages and everything else. as of yesterday, we had 68,000 new cases. he's pushing to open schools. i realize they do have to open up. norway had 20 cases yesterday. or sweden, or germany. they had very few cases compared to the united states and he keeps pushing. they have got to leave it up to states and let them try to

do what it us -- what is right and not whatever he thinks is right. thank you and god bless america. host: we go to donna from st. louis, missouri. caller: good morning. things, first, a few months ago trump wanted to get to gethow she -- wanted rid of dr. fauci but enough republicans convinced him he would lose the election. see howay, he didn't she at the press conference. we find out he has not seen him since early june. the most well-known expert on covid with a 77% approval rating with the public, and he is out at a time when more people are dying since early march.

second, i think covid is like medicare or social security. you cannot do this on a state-by-state basis. you have got to have the federal government ride in their and insist on testing. let's say somebody from here goes to florida where they are crowded on the beaches and comes back. i think those people in missouri, as an example, should be quarantined at the border and not let back in. they did such a stupid thing. until we see they have gotten over it. host: thanks for the call. fox san antonio has a story of one patient in san antonio. hoax, aht this was a patient dies after attending a covid party." according to the chief medical officer at the hospital, "a

member of our staff told the story. just before the patient died, they looked at the nurse and said i think i made a mistake. i thought this was a hoax. there was a party held by someone diagnosed, and thought that people would get together to see of the virus was real and if anyone gets infected. that patient who became critically ill, died at the age of 30. antonio." san carolyn from indiana. caller: thanks for taking my call. shout out to everybody in america. we are trying our best. i live on the border of indiana and michigan. i am surrounded by homeowners from illinois. was the fourth of july, i shocked at how many people from chicago came over to our beach. we have one of the newest national parks on the lakeshore.

they made our state beach into a national park. our local beach and the town next to me was completely smothered by people from out of town. i want to say to all of you, if somebody closes your beach, or they ask you not to come to their state because it is a hotspot, i would appeal to americans, listen to what you are being told. our levelsthis week of virus spiked through no fault of our own. ton people are supposed quarantine for seven or 14 days, do it. i had people come over here that are supposed to do that and they don't. they are not social distancing. this last thing, i am a white american woman in my 60's. i went to a party in the park last night with all of these young african-american dancers.

they were putting on some kind of concert, it was a competition. there were hundreds of people there and they were all sitting next to each other high-fiving and hugging. i want to listen to what they are telling us. distance andsocial don't go to places where you can't social distance. i have been to the hospital. i have a cousin that was in a respirator. thank you for what you are doing. even though you may not agree with everything, just try it. try to stay safe. i don't want to see anybody in a respirator ever again. host: you are right. the longer you are on it, it can be debilitating. we go to sewall, new jersey. caller: good morning. everybody blaming the president. feel, butnd what they

i don't understand how nobody is talking about the governors of states letting all these people protest and march. the curve was going down like that she said, and all of this marching and protesting of people together, no masks come all these other states. nobody is talking about them .eople, blaming them governors i think that's what made the rise in these infections. that's what i think. down and now i think that is what the problem is. i do not think the beaches are enough people to be infected. all that marching i seen on television, that's what i think stimulated disinfection. host: thank you for the call. the president this morning tweeting about golfing.

"i know many in business and out, but nobody complains. my exercises playing golf. just a quick demo of golf." the president is in sterling, virginia pointing out that is this -- this is the 86th time in his prison he has played golf. let's go to california. caller: i would like to make a couple comments. is scaring trump. he does not want that man around. he has trump very nervous. could the army corps of engineers build some schools? job at thewonderful dash center in new york. it seems like in three days they

had that up. could we do that with the schools that way that would include social distancing? try to have a good day. host: steve in charleston, south carolina saying, "i cannot they willme callers, be singing a different song when they become ill. they may die from organ failure, but covid will be the culprit." next is bob from silver spring, maryland. caller: i just wanted to say that i believe the train has left the station on hoping whether or not the administration will somehow be over howave control the virus is handled. better to would be think of a way to bypass the administration and let governors

take advantage of dr. facui's expertise somehow and work with him directly if possible. host: earlier in this pandemic, the story of dr. lorna breen getting attention. she was an er nurse dealing with patients in new york. she took her life. that is the subject of this story below the fold in the new york times. doctor suicide, the virus took another life." the president traveling to walter reed army hospital and for the first time were a face mask. we will show you that as we go to and in roseville, california. ann.r: my name is my comment is that early on, trump tried to do a more centralized effort to curb the virus. law cuomo was quoting some

that said the governors are to take care of their own states. every state is doing different things and there is nothing central going on. that is a big problem. host: nikki is next. vesper, michigan. caller: thank you for taking my call. andnt to thank dr. facui dr. gupta. michigan,ssemer, right by wisconsin, most of us are staying home. seen thewe have beaches overloaded since before memorial day. yesterday we took the puppies for a walk. at whole parking lot had least 30 teenagers. notconcerned they are listening to dr. fauci and i want to know how we can get people to start listening.

this is very serious and very real. thank you. "st: from the new york times, republicans including lisa murkowski at lamar alexander urging the president to wear a face covering. governor cuomo imploring him to do so. diderday, the president wear a face mask for the first time publicly. has come of the recommendations of his own cdc. dr. fauci calling the situation significant and serious." joe in tallahassee, florida. caller: this is joe. i wanted to discuss how beneficial it is to have local officials that can come together from both sides of the aisle to put forward resolutions, or ordinance. our county came up with an ordinance that imposed small

fines on people who do not wear masks. i believe people have good connections with local officials. because of that, we are willing to take their guidance. willing toy are more trust local officials than people in washington they have no relationship with. .ost: lonnie is next salisbury, north carolina. caller: good morning. i have a couple quick questions. i was agreeing with the other lady saying why can't we build temporary shelters like rooted did for the hospitals? center, the javits something that can accommodate two high schools safely distanced. another one was, secretary devos kept saying schools should reopen.

every secretary is pursuing what donald said. he said they would push for school openings. they want school openings, but they are not giving alternative measures to keep students safe. they asked her several questions this morning and she looked like a chucky doll. her head kept spinning around, not knowing what to say. the president wore a mask to the hospital, who wouldn't wear a mask in a hospital? that's the only reason he did it. he didn't want to. forpresident is doing stuff -- only to get votes. he doesn't really mean it. talking about stimulus checks, that is the key thing. his electoral votes. people need to realize that crumbs, buting them he is not doing anything to save lives. that people are

dying and trump is ignoring it? what more do they want? how can people aren't listening to scientists? does trump have that much power over his constituents? it is ridiculous. "dr.host: steve has this, facui under threat to be fired by trump by telling the truth is exactly what russia, north korea, and china dictators would do. is this what maga looks like? " some predicting as many as 100,000 cases in a single day in the coming months. caller: i just wanted to say good morning to america and c-span. i think c-span for all they do. if trump would have listened to and theand -- two facui

cdc in january, we wouldn't be in this mess. i tested positive just the other day. i have been quarantined for a while. i think i've had this since march. my cardiologist says if i have symptoms, get tested. a fever -- fever, but it went away. i tested positive and i have been doing the right thing. i don't go out no more. host: how are you feeling this morning? good.: i'm doctor, he says i think you may have had this for a while. just asymptomatic. he says i'm lucky. i say yeah.

i'm good so far. no fever. no fever. no loss of appetite. no, you know, loose body functions. everything is good. host: thank you. a couple made reference to betsy devos. she made an appearance on cnn's state of the union. it is one of the five programs we re-air beginning at noon eastern time on c-span radio, beginning with abc's "-- nbc's "meet the press." we are back tomorrow morning. check out our coverage on c-span2's otb and american history tv on c-span3. thank you for joining us on your sunday. we hope you have a great week ahead. stay healthy and be well. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] , journalist erin

geiger smith talks about history of voting in the united states and some of the issues around voting today in her book, "thank you for voting." >> that had a massive impact on voting rights. there is not any voting rights advocates or attorney that does not see it as a ground shaking impact. while the voting laws that are discriminatory are still illegal , there is not federal oversight , the kind of stopgap where they need federal approval to make voting changes. >> watch tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q&a. monday night on the communicators, mike doyle, chair

of the communications and technology subcommittee, talked about information on social media and the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on telecommunications. >> when the people who run these platforms take a look at the country they created, because they have changed culture in this country, and if you don't see the division in our country right now that is cheaply being done by social media, it is just crazy how you can identify people's political affiliation based on certain actions on the internet. >> congressman mike doyle, monday night at 8:00 eastern on the communicators on c-span2. >> defense secretary mark esper and general mark milley are -- were on capitol hill to testify on the defense